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I have great respect for knowledgefight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys
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saying we are the bad guys
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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us
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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan
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I love your work
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knowledgefight
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N-N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com
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I love you
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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan
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Jordan
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Dan
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Jordan
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Quick question for you
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today is being given under duress
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Hmm
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I've become a victim
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I'm sorry, who is duressing you?
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I've become a victim of call-out culture
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Okay, alright, okay, alright
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Um, no, the other day I went over and hung out with my friend Angela Lampsbury
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Sure, of course
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And we were playing some video games
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I got to play a little old Super Nintendo game called Side Pocket
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That is terrible, it's a terrible pool simulator
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That sounds right
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Uh, but it is
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A Super Nintendo pool simulator
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It has a certain charm to it
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Yeah, I believe that
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But then, we started playing some Mario Golf
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Uh-oh
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Yes
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Which kind?
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Uh, it's the new one, new-ish one
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Ooh
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Super Rush, I don't know if it's new, actually
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Dangerous
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Uh, lot of fun
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Oh, okay
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Golf simulators are tough
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Because you have the ones that are like Wii Golf
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True
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And there's essentially no control that you can add to the ball or anything
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And it's like, okay, if you memorize how to get through the holes
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And how much the wind is gonna affect things
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Yeah
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You can basically just memorize the holes
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Right
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Then, there's like the PGA 2K games
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Which, one of them I got because it was free on PlayStation
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And I started trying to play it, and there are too many controls
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No, there's like wind speed, spin, uh
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There's so many variables
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Height, cut, backwards
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It's no longer a very fun thing
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Now, the Mario is right in the middle
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Right in the middle
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And it's got Mario characters
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Sure
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So you got Waluigi
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Naturally
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Got my gal Rosalina
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Okay
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Uh, lot of fun
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Okay
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So, my bright spot is playing a little bit of Mario Golf
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Yeah
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Now, the reason I'm a victim of call-out culture
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I was wondering
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Is, on our last episode, that was not my bright spot
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Oh, no
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And Angela Lampsbury's partner got a little bit aggressive about why it wasn't
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I mean, it's a strange thing
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Yeah
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It's because I hadn't downloaded it yet
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At the time of the last recording
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So anyway, I feel like I'm a victim
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Sure
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Of cancel culture
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I'm taking a turn towards the right
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I think it's about time
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Yeah, this censorious world
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The demands that I immediately talk about how great Mario Golf is
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We had a good run as allies and now it's time to become enemies
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I think that's fine
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I am done with this woke demand for immediate bright spots
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I think that's gonna be a great interview to give to like Tim Pool or something later
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Where it's like, what was your change that turned you?
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Well, these motherfuckers about Mario Golf
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I was a little too late to say that I enjoyed Mario Golf
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Oh shit, and then Tim Pool's gonna be like, oh, I can't believe it
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He's like, I hear this story all the time
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Yeah, it's just the most regular thing in the world
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It's this and Robert E. Lee statues being torn down
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Time to take our heritage of Mario Golf
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That is our heritage
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is a bit, you know, I've been a little bit down
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Had struggles, you know, but when you get there it's nice to like revisit
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And so I started with the Terry Pratchett DeSquirreld novels
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Sure
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You know, and just
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I'm pretending I know what you're talking about
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No, you don't, but people who know will know
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And it is like, it is a, it's pure joy to read those
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Really, in a way that, you know, it's hard to explain to people
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But it is just like, I can read, you know, I read six of them in the past couple of days
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And it is just like a constant jolt of
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It makes me think this might be some children's writing, is that fair?
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No, no, no, no, no, it's uh
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YA?
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Terry Pratchett is probably second to Douglas Adams
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Maybe in terms of being funny on the page
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So yeah, that's not children's novels
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But it's still like fairly easy to read
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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It's very, yeah, yeah
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I mean I would say that Woodhouse is also not for kids, but it goes fast
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Yeah, yeah, no, I mean the appropriate, I think it's a lot like stand-up, you know
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When you're talking about a stand-up show, about an hour and a half is where it should be
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If you're talking about a funny novel, about 50,000 words is where it should be
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Sure, sure
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Those are the rules
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I don't know, I don't know why it makes sense
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But if you want to be funny on the page and write a novel, it's about 50k
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So you've been reading about squirrels is what I'm hearing
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Uh, not too much about squirrels
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I think there are some squirrels
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But no, it's like
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The title led me to believe there would be squirrels
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So it's like, you know, imagine somebody was just transposing, you know,
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regular shit into a fantasy world, you know
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Like instead of, you know, being like, oh there's all these elves and stuff
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The elves also have to deal with like, you know, regular problems
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Maybe one of them is a moose
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What are you gonna do?
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Yeah, one of them's a moose
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There's magic
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Sure
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But there's also mundane human problems
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Like we all have to deal with it
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The moose has to pay taxes
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The moose does have to pay taxes
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The moose got a parking ticket
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The moose, and what does the moose do with the parking ticket?
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Now we find out
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Right
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Now you've got a novel
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I can't wait to read this
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Sounds right up my alley
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I'm selling it hard
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So Jordan
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Yeah
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Today, we have an episode to go over
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And we are back to non the vague interview
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Sure
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We're talking about October 25th, 2023
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Yeah
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That is last Wednesday
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That's the day
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Yeah, that's the day that Nick Fuentes came around
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For the much vaunted debate that he and Alex were gonna have
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Is it a debate or is it just like a talking?
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It's certainly a talking
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Now here's what I want to say
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Sure
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I thought that in the context of the situation that's going on in Israel and Gaza right now
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Right
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The last thing I wanted to hear was these two ding dongs talk about it
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And I will say that it's not really about that at all
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That sounds right
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So there is a part of me that is relieved in as much as it's not them
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Having a debate about like Palestinian rights or anything like that
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Because I don't think I could tolerate that or stomach whatever they were gonna say
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That said, it is about a number of other things
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And it's pretty bad
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Okay
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It is a really really bad interview slash debate
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Right
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It's not really a debate
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No
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And Alex gets progressively drunk
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Okay
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I think he's pretty wasted by the end of it
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All right
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And it's just bad
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It's just really bad
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Is it the whole episode?
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Is it like the three hours?
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It's most of it
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Wow
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It's like an hour and a half or so
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And I will say that after the interview Alex does interview somebody else and it's that guy
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That Russian television guy who had Alex on recently
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Oh yeah
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And like buttered him up all that
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Yeah
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So Alex is returning the favor and having him back on
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And we may cover that at another time but I felt like this was plenty
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Yeah
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This protracted interview with Nick Fuentes
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So we're gonna get down to business on this Jordan
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But first let's say hello to some new wonks
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Oh I think that's a great idea
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So first let's see here
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Gotta open this up
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Squatch Waweliski
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Thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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I just saw that smile across your face
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Gotcha
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Because it's pronounced Wawelski
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Wawelski
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It must be Polish
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The W's that are V's
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Something like that
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Sneaky letters
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Next, the unkempt front lawn of patriotism
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Thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you so much
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Next, bang a goo and sloober chops rage against the dying of the light
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Thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Next, poison nanoweed enjoyer
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Thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you
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And happy birthday Jade
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I love you too
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You're gluten free
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Erica
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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you
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And we got a we got a technocrat in the mix
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So thank you very much to Dan the terrible horrible no good very bad globalist
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You are now a technocrat
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I'm a policy wonk
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Four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant
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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop
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Daddy shark
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent
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He's a loser little little titty baby
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I don't want to hate black people
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I renounce Jesus Christ
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Thank you so much
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I do wonder if that's me
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What?
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You?
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Am I the terrible awful no good globalist?
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I don't think so
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I think being first off not to be insulting but Dan is a very fairly common name
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No I know that's what I'm saying
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That's what that's what the complication is
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Right
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Because it very easily could be the person you know who is the policy wonk
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It could be a friend of theirs or it could be me I don't know
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I posit this
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I need to make a more unique name for myself
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I say this to you
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Regardless at the end of that you are now Dan the technocrat
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So no longer are you Dan the globalist period
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If it is you or if it is not you
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I don't know if these things are all that mutually exclusive though
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You can be a globalist technocrat
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Anyway let's start the episode
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Anyways let's do this
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We start off at the beginning there's a little bit of a preamble before Nick shows up
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And there's a there's some house cleaning that needs to go on
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And that is there's a hierarchy change
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Right right
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And we got to hear about this
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Because Owen's gone
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Yeah
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And we have Nick Fuentes coming in here for at least an hour and a half
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He was just on American Journal with Chase Geyser hosting it because Harrison is hosting
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Chase Geyser
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Owen is in federal prison for his free speech according to the judge in our wondrous free land
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And so I build this because I guess we will have a debate as a debate
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But really I just want to have a discussion with Nick Fuentes so that's coming up
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I think we should get him in here about 15 after next hour
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So this isn't going to be a debate because Alex knows that Nick would mop the floor with him
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No matter the argument no matter which side either person was on
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Alex would get smoked in a debate by Nick and he knows it
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Yeah not even close
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At the same time the idea of Nick and Alex debating Israel and Palestine that's a good marketing hook
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You can see right here at the beginning that Alex tried to build this up as a debate in order to drive traffic
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But he doesn't want the challenge of actually going up against Nick
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Media star Bobby Barnes tried to debate Nick a few years back and it was fucking embarrassing
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And Alex was there for that
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He knows better
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Yeah
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Chase Geyser is the new white dork hanging around Infowars
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And I guess he's gotten the call to the big times now that Owen's in jail and Harrison got bumped up to prime time
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Chase Geyser sounds so much like a like a poorly built clone of Owen Troyer
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I don't know much about this guy except that he hosts a podcast about how tough Americans have it
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And he was hosting the other day wearing suspenders
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Ooh Chase Geyser
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Is that how I think I think he should say Chase Geyser a lot
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This one brought to you by Chase Geyser
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I'm out here chasing geysers
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I mean that's some I like the name I assume the person's shit
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Um yeah I did take a screenshot of him when I when I tuned in
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I think it was on one of the Sunday night shows he was hosting in Alex's stead
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And I just took a screenshot and I titled it who the fuck is this
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Because he didn't say his name and I'm like
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Oh that's your hook man that's you that's the only thing you've got
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Who is this fucking weirdo in suspenders
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Oh boy
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What is going on
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I've got suspenders on
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Yeah it was it was a tough tough look and it made me very uncurious about him and I stay uh such
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Like uh like um uh you know corn corn type suspenders you know you're in the
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fields type suspenders those kinds of things are like a terrible southern lawyer
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I think more office suspenders
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Ooh that's not good
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No but it harkens back to a better time when whites had it easier in this country
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And I think that's what Chase Geyser is trying to appeal to
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I do believe that sounds right
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So um Alex uh I think everything that I can tell at the beginning of this episode is him
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just signaling so hard like I don't want any trouble
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We're not gonna argue
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I don't want to fight
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I know it's a debate but I'm not actually going to challenge him
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No
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No okay
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I'm not having the debate according to the preface that he he's he's put out that
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We are lopsided in our coverage of what's happening in the Middle East
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Now it's it would be my right to be lopsided if if that was the case and that was my view
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But I've actually got a 35,000 foot big global view on how the West is funding both sides of
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this conflict in a dialectic and I'm trying to get people to see the big picture
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And so hopefully I can do that
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He doesn't
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But I'll just tell him what I'm gonna do when he gets in here
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I know he's here in the office probably watching now
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I was too really busy about to go on air but I saw him walking down the hall
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I'm walking down the hall or up front went on air
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And that is I caught about 15 minutes of him with Chase Geyser this morning on American Journal
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Chase Geyser
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He just kept saying Alex Jones gives unbalanced coverage
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Well I'm not CNN that says they're giving balanced coverage of things and then doesn't
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But I really do think I give balanced coverage from my world view
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I honestly believe the things
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Wait
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I say and I do
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If I'm Nick and I hear this I know that I've already won any kind of debate or
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disagreement we might have I mean yeah
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This is preemptive capitulation because Alex knows he's fucked if
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he tries to disagree with Nick and it's too late to cancel
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He has to change the ultimate terms of the conversation
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So Alex has also essentially abandoned the argument about whether his coverage is lopsided or not
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It may just be that his worldview is lopsided
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Maybe the coverage is right down the middle but his views are all biased
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How about that?
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That one
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That's a weak attempt at deflection
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I appreciate that I like that
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I appreciate passive voice your own self
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Yeah
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Complete capitulation to me
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I don't know what me is gonna do man that guy's crazy
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The note that I took is Nick is gonna gnaw on Alex's bones
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Yeah absolutely
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Yeah yeah yeah
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This is sad but also enjoy the clear clarity of Alex's voice at this point
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Compare just keep a snapshot of that for how he sounds later
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Gotcha gotcha
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Now granted it's not as bad as that like AMA he did where he was
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Sure it's not full on slurring
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Yeah it's not that bad
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But it's very notable
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So Alex he's like I'm so confident in what I'm about to do that I'm gonna lay out my strategy
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on air and I know Nick's listening I'm just gonna lay it all out
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So I'll ask him to repeat that statement today and then I'm gonna go well here's today's stack
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of emperors let's just go through it and it's a ridiculous amount of criticism of Israel
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And the only thing you can call pro-Israel is I don't want open borders and to bring all the
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Gazans over here but that's actually anti-Israel because Israel threw its spokespersons and others
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in their government said
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Did you say smokespersons?
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They want to send the Gazans to America and Europe
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Joe Campbell
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No no no
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So when I'm concerned about Islam spreading everywhere and taking over
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and taking over how does that because Islam doesn't like Israel down with Israel it's false
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debate and it's not real and it's very frustrating so for me when I have my discussion with him
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slash debate it's not about proving my point it's about getting people to see what I see
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and maybe you see something different than I see but man
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doesn't matter whether you love Israel or hate Israel or you're neutral on it or indifferent
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what the hell does that have to do with bringing Muslims here from all over the world that
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are almost all joining the left and electing leftists to congress and a local government
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and literally taking over our society
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So I guess his strategy is to show him a bunch of articles that they like info wars has reposted
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from other outlets and then be like can't we all just hate Muslims that seems to be what he's
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articulating as a strategy
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I'm concerned that I feel like Alex's main problem with this conflict is that
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Gazans will come to the United States and vote out white people
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Um yeah
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Yeah
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Well I mean I don't think that that is sincerely his only problem
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No no no
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But I think that that's the only problem that he recognizes he can
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probably get agreement from Nick on
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Yeah yeah yeah
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Because that's definitely
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Yeah yeah Nick hates non-whites too
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Yeah I mean Nick spends all his time screaming about like the Hart-Celler Act
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Right right right right
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He's a very serious opponent of non-white immigration
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Hey Nick I know you've got a lot of words to say that might make my words sound stupid but
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we both hate non-whites right
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Especially immigration
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Come on we don't want them over here yeah
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And I think that if there is any sense of common ground that's probably where it's gonna be
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Yeah finally generation x and generation z truly can come together
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Mm-hmm so Alex has an analogy in the way that he puts the Palestinian-Israeli conflict
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and I think that it's dumb
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I think I'm gonna love it
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It'd be like if I was covering the Crips and Bloods
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I'm already in
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They're all killing each other in the 1990s they still are today but not as bad
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It doesn't mean you're for the Crips or the Bloods you know Snoop Dogg's a Crip
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and I guess some of the other guys are Bloods
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Well I'm not with Snoop Dogg and I'm not with Tupac and I'm not with any of this crap
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So I'm gonna have an adult discussion here and just get past the statements
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that about oh who reports on things the best
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This is a perfect time to bring in Debra Crips and Republicans
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Republicans bring in Jesse Ventura's book
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Absolutely yeah
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Oh still can't pronounce that title
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Such a dumb book
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I love the title
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So what Alex fails to understand somewhat intentionally
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is that comparing this conflict to a battle between gangs like the Crips and Bloods
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is actually wildly pro-Israel in its framing
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This is because it fails to take into consideration the power differential
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and the dynamic that exists between the two parties
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Could the Crips keep all the Bloods and all the civilians who weren't Bloods
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but were also part of the same ethnic group as them in what amounts to an open-air prison?
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Could the Bloods shut off all the access to the Crips' electricity, water, and food?
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If you ask yourself questions like these you can see how very like
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how reducing the conflict in the Middle East down to being like two warring gangs
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takes away very important detail that's necessary to take into account
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if you want to have any kind of realistic discussion about this
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It's a very pro-Israeli government position to look at this as two warring gangs
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because it removes the aspect of their overwhelming power advantage
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I suspect Alex knows this and he thinks that this kind of flimsy-ass argument is gonna play
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Like if Nick were to want to counter this, it would be the easiest thing
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Yeah it's a little bit like if the Crips and the Bloods were fighting
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but the Crips had, you know, a $300 billion budget for weapons
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and like the backing of the United States military
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and complete overwhelming control over the territory
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that was given to them by a coalition of... yeah
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I think you're describing a similar thing over the power imbalance that exists there
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and I think Alex is intentionally not recognizing that
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So Alex is mad because he has this idea that Nick thinks that he doesn't criticize Israel
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and that's basically at the core of their tension
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Right
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And so he talks about that here a little bit
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Okay, okay
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So when I saw him this morning, they said oh he's been saying it over and over again
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Well in the one segment I watched say twice, Jones doesn't ever criticize Israel
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his coverage isn't fair
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I just saw that and I was just like that's not true
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and I just thought about my show yesterday or the day before or the day before that
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Now it's true on October 7th when we saw the terrible images and the invasion into Israel
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and that mass murder and slaughter including a bunch of liberal Jews that moved there
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that are pro-Palestine and want a two-state solution or a one-state solution
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or think Israel should just totally integrate with the Islamic world
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see how that works if they do it and that's just suicide
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and I was very critical because Hamas launched that big bloody attack
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and then when Israel now has overreacted I've said this is terrible
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and is a trap and is bad for everybody and the children don't deserve this
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so what I say is a four-hour show every day
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Yeah and it's convoluted generally
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but it's funny that Alex brings up October 7th and doesn't remind everyone that he was doing
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he wasn't doing pro or anti-Israel coverage that day
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he was doing an infomercial for his stupid book
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Yeah
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What about that?
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Well I mean that was the second hour
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Right
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You know
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Same half, half of the show
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Well okay
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An entire half of the show
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Okay but I mean you know like the the bulls had a good first half
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and then a bad second half that's but you're not going to be like oh let's remember the second half
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No dude that would be like the bulls had a good first half
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and then in the second half they decided they were going to make soup
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They decided to do an infomercial for Alex's book
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Right they're going to do something entirely different than basketball
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Yeah I know
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Yeah ridiculous
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So Alex doesn't talk about Israel all day
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Man he's got bigger issues
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He's got bigger issues
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Like how everyone wants you to eat bugs
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If you don't see the big picture you don't see it
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In fact case in point
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Tyson Foods is arguably the largest meat packer in the United States
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and they've got a lot of other products as well
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Arguably
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And they signed a billion dollar deal
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And they've got a lot of other products
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With Bill Gates and a consortium to put into the breading on chicken
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every all those tv dinners you get you name it bug protein
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and they've got deals with the Food and Drug Administration
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to just give insects a code number on the back
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so that you don't know you're eating dangerous bug chitin protein
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that's absolutely linked to cancer strokes and so many problems
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What the hell does that have to do with Israel?
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Four hours on Israel I would jump off a cliff
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I'm trying to stop our food supply from getting taken over by a bunch of damn bugs
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You will eat some bugs
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Gotcha
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Now that's what I'm talking about
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That's what he's talking about
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I'm just trying listen I get your whole what what's it from okay I know
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I heard their name sometime I'll talk to you about them later but I got bigger fish to fry
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Right
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They're bugs
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They're trying to make me eat bugs instead of fish
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Exactly
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They're trying to make I have bigger bugs to fry
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I have bigger bugs to fry
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So Tyson isn't making decisions based on things from Bill Gates
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What happened here this is the story that Alex is lying about
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They're investing in a company called Protix which works in the field of insect ingredients
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Yeah
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This isn't about putting bugs into your Tyson chicken and Alex 100% doesn't understand chitin
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This is about pet and animal food production
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Here's from a CNN article about their investment
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Quote Tyson doesn't make pet food but it does sell its animal byproducts
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for use in the pet food and aquaculture market which feeds fish the CFO said
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Byproducts like animal fats hides and inedible proteins if not used or reduced can end up in
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landfills in this case Tyson can send what's in the stomach of a cattle it has processed
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to a Protix facility where it's fed to insects for the company creating a larger market for
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this type of waste can not only reduce waste but offer a larger revenue stream Tyson told CNN
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quote one feature of being in the animal protein business is having to figure out how to derive
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value from waste we saw this as an extension of our existing business
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Yeah
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I know that being force-fed bugs is like the hot new kink in the
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conspiracy world but covering the story that way is fucking dishonest
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not a shock that it's alica's angle though because he's a lazy liar
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but that's what he's talking about man he's trying to save the food supply for bugs
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You know I can't think of anything that you could do to one of those
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TV dinners that would be like oh that's disqualifying like I know what they are
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I know if I walked into one of those and they're like oh this one has bug proteins in it I'd be
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like yeah that's that's what difference is that from yesterday
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They're not high quality great things and you know it
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Yeah I'm coming to a contract here
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There was a brand of frozen uh like pizza not frozen pizza but it would like come in those like
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frozen dinner trays
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Yeah yeah yeah
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And the name of it was that's a pizza
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Yeah
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And I'm like no it's not
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You're trying too hard
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You know it's not if you call it that's a pizza you have said
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you're the answer to that is no it is not
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Yeah yeah
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So we get to the point where Alex brings in uh Nick and uh
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I just found this framing to be really really uh troubling
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Yeah
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Big broadcast today we're talking to naughty people
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Nick Point has here with us for the next hour and 38 minutes
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and then the top Russian broadcaster Putin's buddy
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joins us how dare us actually hear what the Russians have to say
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We're gonna be evil Americans and exercise our free speech
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It's hard to look at Alex acting like that and not see him as like being a little kid
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really trying hard to get attention
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The kids learned that it gets more attention when it misbehaves so when it's not getting any
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attention it'll say look at me I'm over here doing all these things I'm not supposed to do
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That's kind of the vibe Alex has a big uh misbehaving child of vibe
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He wants to drop a glass onto the floor
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Yeah
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While everybody else is in the dinner room
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Because his parents yeah they're having a dinner party
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They're all having a nice adult conversation and no one's paying attention to it
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It's not about me
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Yeah
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It's not about me
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What are you talking about? Who are these other adults?
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Yeah
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And why are most of them younger than me and I'm an old baby?
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I'm gonna have a naughty conversation that hopefully will get people to post
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things about me and get some outrage attention my way
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Yeah gross
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Great
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So uh Alex is uh very focused on calling Nick baby Hitler uh throughout this entire interview
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No I'm fine with that
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But no but he's saying it like fun
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Oh
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Not like accusatory
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Yeah the vibe is off
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Okay
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Nick I appreciate you coming on short notice
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Yeah great to be here thanks for having me
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I will shake hands with baby Hitler
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I had some fun with that
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Yeah no that was good that was funny I sat on Twitter though
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No it wasn't
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I said I'm really more like young Hitler or Hitler junior
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Which is a joke too
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All right I've been talking quite a bit about you in the last hour and
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20 minutes probably 20 minutes to the last hour and a half was you so
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till we go to break in uh like five minutes you've got the floor go ahead
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All right yeah well uh I did watch uh your show today and I watched your show yesterday and on
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Saturday I saw you call me out uh and I said about you that you believe in these conspiracy
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theories about 9-11 about mass shootings but you said that Israel did not blow up that hospital on
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Friday but it was the Palestinians and I said that that's interesting because I mean to me
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directionally we know that Israel does this sort of thing all the time they blow up hospitals
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schools mosques and so and he's he's going somewhere else here but um but so I think
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Alex has left the room
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Okay
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I was about to thanks Alex
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He's just gone up and left
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Thanks for confirming what I thought might have happened Alex
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Uh keep track of that that's time number one
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I see why he might get progressively drunker
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Oh yeah
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That makes sense
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So there's some important stuff to take into consideration here just in this first clip
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The first is how bulletproof Nick is with the Hitler stuff in Alex's arena
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They're just joking about how it was the baby and baby Hitler that got Nick into trouble
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This is like very dangerous levels of normalization of his characterization as
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essentially a young Hitler
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Yeah
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That's fucked up
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Yeah
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So one of the things that's kind of interesting there is like whether or not you know regardless
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of the reality of what happened with the hospital
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Yeah
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Nick does make a good point in terms of directionalness like the way that Alex constructs
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conspiracies he should based on what available information there is his conspiracy would
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make sense to go the other direction
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Yeah
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And that that is kind of a strange point
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It's glaring in its obviousness
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You know like that's not how you would you know how you would do things
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and you don't do them like that
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So this is clearly a deliberate thing on your yeah
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So Nick gets to a point about the way that the GOP and conservatives are responding to this
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and there's only seems to be two varieties of response
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Okay
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So the thing that I've noticed about conservatives is this I this is my perspective because and
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I just want to clarify I don't think you're dishonest I don't I don't think I've accused
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you of lying or anything like that I've said on my show we have a disagreement I think
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we have a fundamental disagreement but what I've noticed is that a lot of conservatives
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there's really like two acceptable positions right now and one acceptable position is that
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you're pro-Israel and you see these guys like Shapiro and Levin and Prager and the usual
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suspects and they all want us to go and give Israel all our money and send our aircraft
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carriers and we have to support the moral case for Israel and then on the other side
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the other acceptable position is you can be anti-palestinian where you maybe don't talk
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so much about Israel or the Zionist influence and instead you say well the problem here
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is these domestic protests with Muslims and that Hamas is like BLM and that Hamas doesn't
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actually hate Israel they just hate white people like the left and to me I look at these
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two acceptable positions and they're sort of the same it's like heads I win tails you
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lose you can either be pro-Israel or anti-palestine but you can't be in this position where you
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say I'm pro-America and and actually that means that I'm actually a little more anti-Israel
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in this case than I am anti-Muslim and so that's where I'm coming from I want to be
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the guy that says you know I'm actually more offended by the Zionist infiltration of America
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doesn't mean I support mass Muslim migration but that's to me the bigger urgency Muslims
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haven't taken over America Zionists have so that's where I'm coming from and I just
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think maybe we disagree on that all right Nick Fuentes americafirstfoundation.org on
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rumble Nick J. Fuentes I think that Nick is pretty fairly assessing the conservative
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positions on the current situation and Alex probably doesn't appreciate it because Nick
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is claiming that the American first pure like the the high ground is his he has the purity
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of the the the America first position yeah Alex is so befuddled to come up with something
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to say in response to that he just goes into plugs for Nick I mean yeah that's it's also
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important that you do not lose sight of what Nick actually believes he's using the term
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Zionist as a proxy for Jewish because it makes things seem more political than bigoted you
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may notice that the three examples of people who are on the side of Israel in the conservative
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world are all high profile Jewish men Ben Shapiro Mark Levin and Dennis Prager it would
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have been super easy for him to find other conservative non-Jewish figures who hold almost
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identical positions but that doesn't serve the purposes as well no there's these subtle
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things in here well when he says usual suspects it kind of he doesn't mean um you know conservative
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talking heads in a general sense right no right and it's it's pretty clear it's it is
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really important to understand the way that dynamic plays throughout this because there
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are going to be moments where Nick is very clearly saying something that is atrociously
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anti-Semitic yeah and because of the way he's saying it Alex is just like you bad buddy
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haha yeah and and that leaves it in a position where it's like I don't I who knows yeah who
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knows what Alex actually believes or if he he sees the the cryptoness of it yeah I feel
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I feel a very strange reaction coming from so many different people that it does feel
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now is a great time to be uh in in Nick's position because the the incoherence of every
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every position seems you know surrounding it's very exploitable it's so easy like oh
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you what you're thinking doesn't make sense yeah obviously it is not you throw a stone
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you see five people don't make sense yeah so Alex is throwing it out to break here and
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I just think that this is like if you're Nick you're just like I have won yeah like you
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have nothing Alex we'll come back I'll respond for a few minutes out of what you just said
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we continue on with our topics then hopefully we weren't able to do this with yay we can't
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get some towards the end some other topics because see I just don't just focus on Israel
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I'm not saying you do that but some people do and I'm really sick of it we'll be right
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back stay with us hey uh I invited you on to have this debate about my positions on
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Israel but I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it all day I I mean
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you just can't promote a boxing event where after the first round they start playing chess
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yeah I mean like this I I mean it's not obviously not exactly the same thing but it would be like
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if I invited Alex on to debate anti-communism yeah and then I was like I don't want to talk
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about anti-communism oh what about baking right what about baking that's not why you're here
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you're here for the quote-unquote debate that you were advertising it's ridiculous you're here
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because as you pointed out at the beginning you got baby Hitler to talk about Israel that's the
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billing that's the idea well and let's have baby Hitler talk about the creation of his most
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horrendous enemy but the reason that it was like in some ways acceptable for Alex to do this is
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because he presented it as if it was gonna be a debate he was gonna be on the other side of this
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debate yeah now that it's actually come time to pay this off he knows he can't handle that now
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he's like oh he doesn't he doesn't have the goods to be the other party in that conversation right
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and so now I'm just like let's not do that it's because it's not a bait it's just daddy and baby
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Hitler talking they actually call themselves that a little bit later great so Alex has his
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rambling response when they come back from commercial okay so what I'm saying is there's
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a larger calculus here where the globalists of the UN are bringing in all these Muslims
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they're organizing them to be socialists communists and to join the leftist parties
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where it's whether it's the Democratic Party here or the Labour Party in the UK and I see their
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power really rising and and them joining with the left now I've seen a few good spots like Dearborn
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where they said you know we're right wing we're pro-america we're not gonna put up the LGBT flag
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we're gonna put up the American flag and I see them saying hey Muslims protesting saying we're
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not gonna have you know drag queen pedophile time at our school so I don't hate Muslims either I
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just see them as a billions of people that main religion says we're gonna take you over and then
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I see them all over the left and boy I see that combination I'm like whoo so I didn't get a call
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as you guys like to say like you have two acceptable things be pro-israel to the hilt
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and say murder all of the Palestinians or you can just bash the Palestinians I'm saying like AOC
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saying she's gonna bring them here I'm like no you're not so that's not me taking the oh hold on
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what am I supposed to say now yet young yes sir I mean that is my legit I'm against open borders
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period I'm on record uh Nick so there I just took like a minute and a half you can now respond
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I would say you are on record yeah so I guess his whole his whole point that he's just trying to
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keep things in the safe territory of is I don't want Muslims coming here yep yep and as long as
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he can keep the debate in that water um there's not going to be any problems and I think he
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understands that and so that's why you want to try and err on this side and not let Nick really
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voice any of his uh perspectives which are going to be trouble uh yeah yeah you can't although
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I mean but he wouldn't have to you know it's almost like you would think that
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Nick would find a way to to really exploit this situation you know being a
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horrific horrific anti-semite you know but like in a way that would be acceptable you know like he
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does yeah oh like people who are not otherwise white nationalists could listen to his and be
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like oh that's actually a very good point totally great yeah great dan dan you know what I wanted
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to hear those exact words no I mean I think that uh with one major fuck up yeah later that we'll
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get to I think Nick could have stood to radicalize a great deal of Alex's audience with an interview
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like this because he does keep things generally within that sort of crypto language that is is
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meant to skate by people's uh under the radar yeah yeah sure no I mean when when you see a conflation
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of a religion and ethnicity and a state happening from with no political leaning you know it doesn't
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matter where it's coming from because those that's happening from all directions yeah so in his case
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that is perfect camouflage to pretend like he's not one of those people right despite the fact
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that he's the worst of those people yeah and I think that it helps when you have also uh you know
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one of Alex's great uh tricks uh that he's played over the years is the idea of the I'm above the
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left right paradigm yeah and whenever Nick is able to as he does in this next clip um make it like
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so there are these right wing Zionist Jewish people over here and then the left wing ADL
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people over here yeah he has this I'm rising above that left right paradigm and I just I just think
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Alex is deeply deeply in over his head yeah I just think that the uh you know this dialectic that
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you're talking about it's true that there's factionalism in Israel it's true that there's
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factionalism in Jewry but they are all on the same team fundamentally and we know this because ADL
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I'm gonna center the camera when I get up it's not you're not bad just too good um so the ADL which
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you mentioned they've had some of their employees tearing down these posters but then the ADL fired
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them Jonathan Greenblatt went on msnbc and he demanded that they fire some of their pro
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Palestinian commentators which msnbc then did now a couple months ago there was a big dispute
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between some of these right-wing Zionist Jews and the ADL and people like myself and Keith Woods
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said the ADL is a problem because it's a Jewish group that's clearly controlling speech on social
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media you know Greenblatt goes and brags and says he's got a line in with youtube facebook twitter
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and he tells them what to ban and what not to ban we said so we should get rid of the ADL
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then all these Zionist Jews come in and say well the problem isn't the ADL they said the ADL has
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a noble mission which is to fight anti-semitism they said the problem with the ADL is that they
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attack people that are pro-zionist and so in other words the right-wing Jews they don't really have a
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problem that a Jewish group controls speech they have a problem that there's friendly fire sometimes
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because now fast forward a month later and all the Zionist critics of the ADL and the ADL are on the
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same side supporting Israel and Shapiro who was criticizing the ADL like the ZOA did a year ago
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he's now retweeting the ADL and the ADL's on msnbc saying you got to fire all your pro-palestine
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commentators and so I'm a guy that's looking at this dialectic where you're either part of a
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Zionist right or you're part of this Jewish left and I'm in the middle saying that I'm an America
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first Christian and I don't want to be influenced by Zionist or by atheist liberal Jews at the ADL
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so you know and that's why I say there's this false dialectic that's being given which you say
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you're not participating in but again there's a lot of people they want to focus on and I
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watch your show you focus on the Muslim immigration and you say well they're sending them to America
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but there's Muslim refugees being created by Israel's wars yeah well yeah and the head of
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the ADL promotes open borders so let's shift here so all Jewry is on the same page despite
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the appearance of fictionalism good to know also Alex clearly is either uncomfortable sitting there
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with Nick or he had to fire his camera person because he just keeps getting up to adjust the
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shot allegedly yeah like was Owen running the camera what's going on here I mean that's possible
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but also I would find it very I genuinely believe it would be discomforting to sit next to Nick
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Fuentes for any length of time maybe I would be more worried about sitting next to Alex just from
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a personal safety standpoint agreed agreed Nick is a lot of things but he I don't think he's
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going to take a swing at me discomforting though in the sense of like emotionally he's got an aura
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of horror yeah happy Halloween Jordan all right okay I also think that Alex had an employee who
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was tasked with bringing him booze and maybe that person got fired that makes sense so he has to go
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off to the side I would take that yep so Alex should not want to shift gears after what Nick
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said because a lot of what he said doesn't match up with his worldview and it should require some
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kind of back and forth Nick is directly telling Alex that his position is not good and Alex is
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just ignoring that deflecting by saying that the head of the ADL is for open borders and then
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moving along and Nick directly there brought up Alex's safe harbor point which is that the Muslims
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are all coming in yep and he he pushed it aside yeah now Alex and then Alex was like aha but my
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safe harbor point uh let's shift gears yeah you almost couldn't be like a better platform being
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offered to Nick to allow him to suck up Alex's followers if you're just watching this you're
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seeing a poised kid who clearly knows his stuff who can articulate his positions in a way that
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doesn't involve distraction and yelling and then you have Alex but like I said he clearly
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Nick fucks up with the info his audience a little bit later in a way that is spectacular okay what
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Nick is doing is very clearly signaling to his more extreme audience while making things palatable
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enough for most of Alex's audience to accept if you look at the comments on Alex's site it's clear
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that the message was received by at least some of the audience here's one quote Jones diverted away
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every opportunity about the jq I saw an expert distractor controlling the narrative by flattery
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and other tricks people need to understand how deep the jewelry is in every segment of American
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life this is what Nick's underlying message is about though it's packaged in what's socially
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acceptable packaging like complaints about the ADL and all this has become so mainstream and common
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within Alex's worldview that it provides incredible cover for what Nick is actually about yeah the
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Jews should not be essentially allowed to have anything in the United States yep yep whatever
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I mean what else is there to say that's what's going on it's it's unfortunate there's no defense
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there's no defense against it then you know what are you gonna do so Alex uh understands that hey
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I complain about the ADL all the time Nick seems not like the ADL too let's ride let's do this yeah
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so let's shift gears just because some of these groups have agendas doesn't mean when I have an
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agenda of not having open borders and bringing in new democrat voters that are brainwashed against
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the country that's my perspective and it isn't through the lens that you're saying so let's
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expand on that the ADL is along with the southern property law center creates the curriculum on
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records come out in congress that teaches in schools we're talking fifth graders first
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graders that it's inherently bad to be white you have an original sin and you're bad well that's
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like Hitler saying you're bad because you're Jewish so when I said the head of the ADL is
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the closest thing to Hitler I've seen not that people go oh you're saying he's a nazi how
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ridiculous no I'm saying China is very race-based so I said gg ping and his policies are pretty
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close to Hitler and then when the ADL is out teaching that Christians and Catholics are
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inherently bad and that critical race theory to first graders teaching them that they're bad
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because of their color is incredible child abuse but they're also on the left trying to teach kids
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they're another gender to cut their genitals off and sterilize them so and you're bad kids because
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the earth's dying they show them videos of polar bears that can't swim which isn't true and say
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they're all sorry what they're up five times it's humans are bad humans are ugly you're all guilty
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white people are the worst of all the groups uh and you know all this crap and then I'm literally
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when they have you know ADL gala's brother they ain't talking about you they're calling for my
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arrest and they're behind the law firms trying to like 20 million dollars this year they spent
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trying to shut us down as in the federal filings okay so so let me tell you the proofs of the
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puddings okay they are literally bashing and attacking and their main target is me and Trump
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proof of the puddings in the eating so so brother so if I understand correctly yeah I have invited
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Nick Fuentes on to have a debate where I tell him how hard I have it yeah yeah he's he's flailing
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he's trying not to drown yeah basically yeah so uh it's it this is just standard extreme right-wing
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talking points about how tough white people have it and then a self-aggrandizing speech about how
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much more dangerous Alex is to the ADL than Nick yep if I were Nick I would just ignore all of this
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and move on to the next point because none of it even requires a response yep but there's an
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interesting dynamic that's going on here and it's clearly that Alex is personally offended that Nick
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would suggest that he's controlled opposition yeah 100 that's basically Alex's main mission
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is to push back against this idea that because Nick said that he got the call right on his show
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on Nick's show uh he said Alex got the call uh obviously from the Jewish people his Jewish
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handlers I think actually laid that out specifically yeah the Jewish handlers called
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him and told him okay hey you got to turn on Nick and yay all right um and so Alex is offended by
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that sure and I think that the main point of the interview is actually about like my name is my
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name he's turning into Marlo you were mean to me yeah and now I am going to try and be mean back
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to you but all Nick really has to do is go neener neener neener grandpa and then yeah you know
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Alex explains that like essentially that feeling of like I'm not controlled opposition and then
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Nick deals with that in record time yeah so I have a very quite frankly a sophisticated
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understanding of dialectics and I maybe maybe it's over people's heads I'm not trying to be arrogant
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and so you know tell me how I communicate this properly to people uh but uh I'm sure as hell not
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getting a call and I'm not part of the group that's controlled I literally see Jews as diverse
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people I see all these groups as diverse people and I'm really trying to get people to say hey
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let's get bugs off the menu let's not cut the the coal power plants off let's not tell kids they're
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inherently able because of what color they are I'm opposing the globalist agenda whoever's behind it
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oh I mean the thing is about Jews is that what defines them is they reject Jesus Christ whether
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they're liberal atheists or they're religious Jews they don't believe in Jesus and the only reason
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for what it's worth that I said that you got the call in sort of a glib way is because after yay
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and I appeared on your show you went on Steve Crowder two days later and said that me and
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Kanye were gay for Hitler and you went on this rant about how much you hate Hitler and said that
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you know we fetishize Hitler and all this sort of stuff and it just seemed to me it came across
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like damage control now maybe that I love oh baby maybe you don't fetishize him but yay I mean was
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drooling over him well I think that uh he likes the controversy and at the same time there's a lot
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of people that are fascinated with Hitler Michael Jackson was fascinated with Hitler John Kennedy
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was I mean evil can be fascinating here's the deal oh here's the deal so I think I think it's
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it's a very interesting uh thing for like Nick to just be able to be like look and your feelings
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were hurt why'd you take that so seriously yeah like you were talking shit about me I was talking
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shit about you yeah yeah it was classic shit talk yeah come on man but Nick is such a worm yeah I
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get it yeah I mean it's it's he's such a worm it's um oh I wanna I wanna bully you I want to bully
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you so bad it's uh probably something that he evoked in a lot of people based on the uh videos
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that I've seen of him when he was in high school yeah I mean it makes me feel guilty but it is it
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is truly like it is his fault he needs to be bullied I'm sorry you've made your choices man
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you wake up every morning and you do that well I I always hate to agree with you because I'm so
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anti-bullying and I stand by that position but I do think that Nick's behavior does elicit a
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reaction of hostility in you made your bed and it's because there's a severe passive aggression
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in it yeah and he probably knows that and it it's used as a tool he eliciting outrage from people
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and then he uses our fake at his sympathy bullshit where oh no you shouldn't be mean to me I'm just
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little old worm fuck him fuck him it's fair yeah so um look getting talked about Hitler a little
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bit here already and so why not yeah why not talk a little time is now here's an interesting thing
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what Alex seems to be the one who wants to talk about Hitler now well now that he can yeah Nick
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doesn't seem all that interested yeah I reject the ADL saying America's Hitler and if Christians
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don't do what we say you're Hitler screw the ADL screw that guilt screw the white guilt go to hell
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fuck you ADL but it doesn't at the same time I've actually done a study okay one of the latest
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books I didn't study because you're here to study Hitler speaks a series of political conversations
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with Adolf Hitler that's on study names Nick how many books you've written or read by Hitler or
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about Hitler I haven't read book I'm not a Hitler fetish I read about well so here I am saying I'm
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Hitler fetishist I wanted to understand who Hitler was I read probably 200 books on Hitler whoa
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Germans that were why do you think the German high command tried to kill him in 1943 and 44
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because he was out of control and going to kill everybody and ended up killing 22 million Germans
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and 28 million Russians but is that why Hitler is canceled today for that reason I mean Hitler was
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a messianic maniac that thought he was god he was anti-christian I think though that people don't
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like him today because he was anti-Jewish good point that is a big part of it I was I was
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wondering why was Hitler canceled today yeah why is he canceled shadow band yeah yeah yeah yeah
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Alex is is weird I like that moment though of the like why do you think the German high command
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tried to kill why don't you tell me yeah that is that is the smugest he's a guy who's doing
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almost like a rope-a-dope yeah you know he's just letting Alex burn out some of this energy
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go for it buddy yeah oh god did you have a little too much sugar today kid all right you just have
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a run by sugar have a little run around by sugar I mean whatever it is you're doing fixing the
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cameras oh you're fixing the camera all right so Alex is like hey man can you imagine what it would
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be like if Hitler was in charge and Nick can very easily say that's not what I want what do you
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think the world would be like under under Hitler's view today most of us would be dead I mean I'd be
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here but but you know but I'm not arguing for Hitler I think what both yay and I were expressing
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is that there is this Jewish control matrix which puts Hitler in a special category he wasn't the
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only dictator he wasn't the only one who had concentration camps in the war no it's true I
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mean Andrew Jackson's sister and brother died in the British concentration world war two Eisenhower
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ran concentration camps against the Germans and we interned the Japanese and and on and on that's
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right Eisenhower committed a real crime he probably starved four million Germans to death
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yeah and you know because you're and you're an expert so yeah I mean you understand this but
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Hitler's in a special category because the Holocaust narrative is what casts a shadow
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over the entire American political landscape and you know we have to talk about Jewish power right
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and left you can say f the ADL but would you say f the zoa the Zionist organization of America with
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more klein you know I get Jews thinking they deserve it Israel's tiny don't and I know a lot
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of Jews that are really nice smart people stop and they're not going anywhere they have nuclear
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weapons and so I'd like to see the wars end I'd like to see it not be a football issue and so I'm
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a realist too Israel's not going anywhere and and and the Arab countries won't take the people out
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of the West Bank or Gaza because they want to keep the thing going so yeah I mean it's true I don't
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have a hard-on for the Jews I don't have a hard-on for the average Jews diseases patriotic and their
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people and their thing for their club it's like Crips and Bloods oh we're back to that either
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game okay cool back to that great to be clear that wasn't what Nick and Ye's point was this is
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a nice way of dressing up their point in packaging that Nick thinks is unassailable meant to hide his
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very assailable actual position yeah it is somewhat fair as a point that Hitler wasn't
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the only bad leader who did awful things to innocent people that's fine you win this round
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the Holocaust does resonate with people a little bit more than some other instances of attempted
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genocide and I think there's some reasons you could come up with to explain that dynamic
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one is that it coincided with one of the most traumatic wars in history that involved most of
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the world the fact that this program of extermination was happening simultaneously with the world war
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is something that makes it more impactful to people and has more direct contact with a ton
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of other countries actual experience there's also the fact that it was a program of extermination
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being carried out by a major industrialized country so there's a number of factors that
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play into this that that you could use to say this does this does feel a little bit different to
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people and I don't know if that's fair or not or if if it reflects a negative impulse in people's
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minds I'm not sure because there are there's certainly more atrocities than the Holocaust
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that have happened sure sure but I don't think that Nick's analysis is meaningful no no I mean
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you know the idea is like let's keep it at the forefront so it doesn't happen again right but
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uh considering the circumstances that doesn't do shit so who knows so as to this claim that
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Eisenhower starved like a million Germans today I think Alex said four million but that's not proven
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this is a claim that originates with a 1989 book called other losses by a guy named James Bach
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uh the book argues that starvation and disease deaths intentionally inflicted on German POWs
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were hidden in the other losses statistic in army reporting many historians have said this is
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complete bullshit and that the other losses category includes people who were released
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or who were transferred to other camps and that there's no evidence that there's secretly a stat
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of starved Germans that would be a very strange stat to keep the author has no training or
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expertise in the field and the claims made in his book are not accepted by the vast bulk of
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historians there are some red flags there oh yeah yeah his book is super important among neo-nazi
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types though they love the red flag they love to point to this book's unfounded conclusions to
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deflect criticism of Hitler and the Third Reich which is basically what Alex and Nick are literally
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doing here sure you may notice at the end there Nick asks if Alex would say fuck the right-wing
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Jewish organizations like he did with the ADL then instead of answering Alex jumps right into
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his talking points about how Israel isn't going away how this is like the Bloods and the Crips
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yeah if you're Nick sitting there you have to feel pretty confident like he directly refused
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to answer a direct question you asked him the person is sitting across from you is floundering
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yeah I it's one of the earliest things and it's one of the things that I still hate so much about
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you know like growing up where I did is just like the worst people refused to say the f-word
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the worst people just fucking willing to watch puppies die people were like hey don't swear
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and that dad's just Nick Fuentes just being like are you willing to say fv8 fuck you and it's fuck
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you and it's like fucking fuck you you fuck and it's like Alex used to be like don't say piss on
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the show yeah no I'm so fucking sick of that shit I will say like incredibly hateful things and
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demonize immigrants but don't say damn on the show this is a family show it is just one of those very
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first signifiers of oh there are things that are meaningful and things that aren't and the people
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who care about things that aren't meaningful are usually fucking evil but I also would argue that
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there's probably a decent chance they don't really care about that and this is what Paul
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Joseph Watson would call virtue signaling yeah I mean that's what I'm talking about okay fair
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enough yeah so Alex believes that the ADL stir in the pot sure in order to make more money sure
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uh and then Nick says some bad stuff here's the thing I think you're an honest guy I've always
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said that I think you're an honest guy you have a sophisticated worldview for 20 30 years even
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putting that out and that's why I've always been a fan of yours I think where we disagree is that
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you see some some benefit to allying with these Zionist Jews and I'm against both the right and
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the left wings of Jewry in the world I think that they're both toxic well let's be clear
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I've been smart enough when the ADL attacks me in these groups to to not then blame all Jews they
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get you know the ADL is getting record contributions right now come on yeah they go out and stir up
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stuff and put bad agendas with Jews name on it to get attacked to get more money so so I'm not
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allied quote with whatever group you're saying Zionist I think you well because when you say that
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they're after when you say the world economic forums after nen yahoo and israel's diverse and
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it's true Soros and the ADL are against nen yahoo I don't think that makes nen yahoo good I don't
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think that makes the Zionist good okay let's just be clear that's what we're getting at that what
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are we getting at what yeah I would actually actually let's be clear yes what are we getting
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at what are we what exactly are we getting at because I know what Nick's getting at let's be
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clear I know exactly what Nick's getting at yeah big time uh Alex careful here buddy what are we
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getting at yeah so I think that what Alex is doing there is the world economic forum is brought up
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yeah and so like aha here I will jump to my globalist stuff right right all right but Nick
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doesn't care and Nick like one of the reasons that I find him an interesting figure in this
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info wars space one of the reasons why way back when Nick first started coming around it was my
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opinion that Alex should stay the fuck away from him and that's because Nick has a freedom about
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him in the same way that like a Max Kaiser is able to talk shit to Alex to his face Nick doesn't care
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about Alex's stuff like he has his own brand he has his own thing he has his streaming platform
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that he uh he uses and he will not go along with things just to appease Alex as someone who's like
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giving him a space to talk yeah he will exploit this for whatever it's worth yeah but it's
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humiliating for him to not stand by his positions and so his position is this Bilderberg stuff world
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economic forum whatever yeah it's Jewish people yeah yeah and Alex just needs him to not be like
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that right because Alex needs the game and Nick won't go along with it Nick doesn't play the game
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nah can you quote it because I remember you said Alex needs to focus on Zionism and this and that
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not on Bilderberg and things that don't matter brother they're making they're calling the shots
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I mean that Addie's they got the big swinging dick so I mean you don't know that I'm not
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terrible I think that's where the disagreement lies because you put the blame at the feet of
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Klaus Schwab and Bilderberg as an institution and the and Blackrock which should feed into your
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thing he's Jewish Larry Fink that's okay well that's the top of the pyramid yeah and Larry
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Fink is Jewish and Larry Fink has responded but I mean Klaus Schwab's the grandson and son of top
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the number three Hitler's dude I mean grandson man it's not June it's dehumanization I mean you
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listen you all know Harari literally saying humanity's over we're scum we're nothing it
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sounds Hitler was saying kill most groups which was bad the Harari says we're all done I mean
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nailed it that's like Hitler 10.0 yeah well and I think the transhumanist thing is fashionable but
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but when you talk about Bilderberg one of the members of the steering committee is Jewish one
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out of the two of the co-chairs of steering committees and go through that I'll give you
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the floor and I'm gonna shut up wait you want him to go through that are you saying that you want
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him to list every Jew in the world economic forum because that's essentially what the game Nick is
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going to play is he's willing to and he's going to he's going to say ah yes your conspiracy
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uh uh infrastructure and all this stuff that your narratives are built on is actually mine yep yeah
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yeah yeah it is it is one of those things you know like oh also real quick I love the moment
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because I'm gonna forget this if I don't say it sure the uh the moment where he says transhuman
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is fashionable yeah and Alex just exhales heavily yeah yeah it's just uh that didn't work he just
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he just has like basically um delegitimized one of my entire uh terror conspiracies with uh with a
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pat on the head yeah it's fashionable yeah yeah yeah people are having a lot of fun with that
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these days yeah I'm sure you're yeah yeah yeah that's very good this goddamn 20 something year
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old kid is clowning me well I mean that's the problem though is that everybody who says who
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gets heat for not playing the game eventually the game comes to them as like would you want
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to play and they were like oh we wanted to play from the jump right that would that would have
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been awesome to play the game yeah and that's what Alex is used to dealing with so Alex is trying to
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do that and Nick is like no I actually don't want to play the game and everyone is fucking blown
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away by this fact right and we've seen we saw that almost be the entire dynamic of the yay interview
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yeah that they did was like constant offers of like don't you see this is what we're supposed
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to be doing this is how this is supposed to go and uh no I mean it is it is like the idea of
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somebody actually foregoing money in order to not play the game blows their fucking brains out but
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but that's bullshit because he's foregoing this money right Nick is still getting money no no no
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I know getting money from large uh donors and bitcoin and shit sure but that's the I that's
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like the idea that the game brings to you you know right you if you play you will get all the money
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right you know but it's an illusion yeah and Nick knows it's an illusion yeah and it can be taken
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away from you the moment the game decides it should be yeah yeah so Alex wants Nick to get
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into this for some reason great uh then he decides to leave again oh I'll give you the rest of the
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segment we got eight minutes but respond to me you said oh why is he focusing on stuff that
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it doesn't matter and after the exact quote isn't powerful let me tell you the WF and the
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Bilderberg group I mean they are calling these shots and they don't like Netanyahu for the
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reason I think is like Trump he's trying to set his own thing up go ahead I'll shut up yeah so
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so our disagreement back then is I said that you tend to follow I got a earpiece in my ear okay
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I'm gonna get a fresh cup of coffee I'm listening to every word I'm not disrespecting you're hosting
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right now there's your headline haha yeah coffee sure believe it yeah I buy it coffee
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gotta get a fresh cup of coffee yeah while you uh go ahead and say your horrible shit yep I am
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going to disappear for a minute it is very convenient that as the worst of things come
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out of your mouth my picture will not be next to you yeah let's see about that yeah I resigned
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Nick you're the new host how would you like that the Nazi takeover of no of course not no I'm
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America first but sure uh well he can hear me in the earpiece but the difference of opinion is
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where the true seat of power actually is and the Bilderberg group and the World Economic Forum
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these are institutions which host multinational companies and representatives from governments
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so Bilderberg does not in my opinion have any real power the power is the people that attend
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Bilderberg the World Economic Forum doesn't have power the power lies in the people that attend
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the World Economic Forum you know what is the World Economic Forum it's a it's a meeting of
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3,000 multinational corporation leaders and government officials the power rests in those
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people and like Alex said the technocrats the planners now when you look at the demographics
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of who those people are the top hedge fund managers the people that are running the major
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companies and Larry Fink of BlackRock there's a large Jewish representation there's a huge overlap
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between the people that attend Bilderberg and by the way the people that donate to Benjamin
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Netanyahu's prime minister campaign in Israel and I think that the transhumanist sort of thing when
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people talk about the Carnegie endowment and the State Department civil society stuff I think that
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I think that that's basically a deflection from the fact that the character of all these people
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I mean their early life section they all happen to be Jewish and the real evil in the world as we
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know is the antithesis of God it's the devil so who's the antithesis of God and the devil it's
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the anti-christ and you look around the world who are the people that are on the side of good you
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know if in a spiritual dimension is God versus the devil and it's Christ versus the anti-christ
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when we bring it down to the level of what's happening in the world it's the Christians
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representing God it's the Christians representing Jesus and who's on the other side representing
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the devil who's on the other side representing the rejection of Christ well you've already told us
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I already told us if earlier if we if we take a previous context from this very interview
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Jews are defined by their rejection of Christ yeah so what are you saying oh you're saying
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that Jewish people are the devil I mean more or less this is just like overtly anti-semitic
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talk that's going on right here and like you pointed out it's really smart for Alex to leave
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while Nick is getting into this jq business yeah because now he can have the plausible deniability
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for why he didn't push back on any of this stuff if it comes a fresh cup of coffee if it comes out
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and like it gets called on it you know like he could be like I was getting coffee I was I was
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believe me I was in the back I would have said I would have taken the task I was in the middle of
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pouring the coffee and it's a big mug oh so it took a long time to pour I had to cut a line of
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coffee and you know it takes a little while to get it right precise yeah absolutely uh Owen took the
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razor blade to prison so I can't uh I don't know what am I gonna do oh come on they wouldn't let
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Owen take it with them that's what got him in solitary confinement uh so like Alex is able to
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host Nick saying this comically anti-semitic shit and then dodge any criticism for his own
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performance it's pretty smooth and on top of that he can come back with a bunch of bluster and
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change the subject if he needs to like that's one of the things Alex is really good at I've never
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seen Alex use this kind of strategy with any other interview that he's done it seems either intensely
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tactical yeah or the infrastructure it in force is legitimately falling apart and there's nobody
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to do any tasks uh left there's nobody to run coffee there's nobody to work the camera yeah
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like all of his employees are essentially going away yeah and I don't know if that's the case but
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it would explain why Chase Geyser is there and maybe those suspenders are attached to a barrel
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that's under the desk classic classic barrel situation he's got his bindle under the desk
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and he's hitting the rails my suspicion is Alex is getting up to drink or whatever yeah but uh
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and it also is it doesn't have the benefit of being like I'm optically away from this while
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Nick is saying this stuff that first of all is deeply anti-Semitic and then second of all cuts
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under my worldview yeah like because Alex is like oh it's the world economic forum and the
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Bilderberg group and Nick is like yes it's the Jews that go there yeah and so like what do you
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do Alex can't uh you can't do anything with this Alex prefers so when you're fighting a holy war
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a crusade if you will right it's a much better for the human race if you're fighting an imaginary
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enemy when you go onto the real world oh that's not good well yeah I will religion and war is bad
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when you put them together I'm gonna throw that out there I will say that Alex's uh imaginary
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enemy and the way he formulates things is dangerous totally it is much safer than Nick's
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way safer um Nick Nick has much more of a real world um sort of touch point than than Alex's
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globalists yeah yeah because in Alex's for uh you know uh fermentation of bullshit there is a it
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doesn't matter who the enemy is you know it doesn't matter if the enemy this week is Muslims or
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this week it's Jews or you know the enemy is is able to encompass the totality right the enemy
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is the shadowy cabal that's on top of things that is totally not any group that I'm accused
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of being biased against right bigoted toward whereas with Nick it is pointed and there is
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that idea of well once this one's down we go to the next one and once that one's that's implied
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we go to the next one you know but that's what I'm saying yeah whereas with Alex it's like
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they're everywhere mm-hmm yeah Nick is systematically trying to destroy people
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yes yes and would be fine with uh well I think we all know so Alex is Alex comes back and he's
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like come on man it's not all the Jews and then Nick has an interesting rejoinder yes it is I mean
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look at China they're a billion and a half people and nothing is Chinese people on average but
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they are the most homogeneous race-based group genetically somewhere and they're extremely
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racist I mean on average and who I mean I'm talking about China taking over Hollywood and
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China involved everything I see the comments oh he's coming up from the Jews I mean if I slip on
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a banana peel today it's not Jews it's okay but a lot of things are Jews when you say that
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or do you disagree when you look at the Iraq war when you look at mass migration and the ADL and
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censorship you know there's and we look at the porn industry and you don't think part of it was
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weapons sales and oil deals I mean it's just all the Jews I think it was primarily for Iraq it was
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primarily the Israelis and the neo-cons absolutely they wrote it up in the clean break paper in 96
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no that was you're right that was Wesley Clark exposed that yeah so apparently the Jews were
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responsible for 9-11 Alex is so bad at this in about five seconds he's gonna be like well yeah
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you're right about all of this it's not five seconds but it's it faster no it takes a little
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longer and a couple more breaks to the coffee room all right we get there okay yeah I mean there is
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not a resolution of this where Alex can in any way stand on his two feet and say I stuck to my
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guns I defended my position he completely caves by the end of this yeah so we got some news take
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a little breaky and actually while we're taking a little breaky and go to other things I have an
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out of context drop that I forgot to play okay so enjoy this well I do some studying I love it
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he loves it he loves it so anyway he did some studying actually he doesn't have any studying
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on this because the the news has broken that there's a new speaker of the house in the US
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right right right right and Alex doesn't know anything about him well just minutes ago
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representative Mike Johnson wins GOP nomination for speaker Mike Johnson won the GOP nomination
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for house speaker today defeating representative Byron Danakos Danakos and becoming the fourth
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speaker designated selection by his party representative Kevin McCarthy historical removal
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as speaker and the second in a single day I did some quick searches during the break we were on
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that Owen Troyer we were airing that Owen Troyer update and it looks like uh Jim Jordan likes him
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I like Jim Jordan but I've got to drill into this transitive property hold my view until we know
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more so get uh the brains here in the office looking into that to give me their perspective
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uh during the next break I need somebody to tell me what to think about this guy I'm studying love
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it love it I need somebody to google this guy that is yeah well okay so one of the ways that Nick
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defends his um you know biases and bigotries oh I sounded like Barnes there yeah you did um one of
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the ways he does that is by insisting like we just need a Christian nation sure um and that is I think
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what he looks at as the general um end goal he would like to see which is a nation where white
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Christian men are essentially the only font of power yeah um and so he talks about that a little
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bit and then in the in this he is basically and I would say almost explicitly saying that Jews are
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incapable of being right about things yeah okay I think the number one issue that we have right now
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is that America has to become a Christian nation and as a Christian nation needs to have Christian
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leadership uh and you know you say that you have uh your father grandfather are friends with Jewish
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people and they seem like nice people I'm not out here saying that Jewish people aren't capable of
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being nice or good people or anything like that but they don't worship Jesus Christ and the Bible
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tells us there's only one way to the father there's only one way to the true the good and
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the beautiful and that's through Jesus when I look around it whether it's the ADL or the ZOA when it's
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the left wing or the Zionists neither of them respect or worship Jesus and as a consequence
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they can't be right what's more their allegiance is to their own tribe rather than America you know
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not only am I a Christian but I'm also America first yeah it's throwing out some dual loyalty
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tropes there too that's uh that's good stuff good stuff yeah yep so apparently if you're not
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Christian you're incapable of being right yeah Christians you should Joe you should really go
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stop that put a stop to him so here's here's something that I find uh interesting that we
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won't really be able to see the fruition of until the end of this episode but this obsession with
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the idea of like my hatred is based on Christianity there is a purity to my hatred and my bigotries
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that I have towards people and that is that it is just my the expression of my Christianity yeah I
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can't be judged for this this is my religious belief yeah now hold on to that well I mean
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that's that's true well it's true of his interpretation right right right in in the way
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that he understands his Christianity you know you might be able to say that that's a fair statement
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sure but I just want the the the focus that he has the centralness of Christianity in Christ
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to be hold on to it okay because I think he invalidates it a little bit later we'll see I
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you think later is when well intensely later okay in an almost comical way so you say up and up until
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now not a problem no I would say that it is but on a level that is right unfathomable later so
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Nick he's uh he wants to find some common ground and uh you know he remembers that Alex hates
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Muslims sure and so why not go that way yeah let's have a fun time I wonder what your take on this
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is because I've seen this and this has made me more angry than anything well don't invite me in
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a rupture it's gonna happen no no well because I really am interested in a little slurry because
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maybe this is a source of common ground I'm with you when I see the Muslims protesting it makes
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me mad because I'm thinking what are they doing here they belong over there not over here when
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they do the call the prayer they're waving their flags I'm thinking those people belong in Syria
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Palestine and Iraq but what makes me even angrier is when I see Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and I'm
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not inviting you to attack them necessarily but I'm just wondering what you think about this
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these people they don't seem to care about America the country's being invaded by immigrants like you
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point out the censorship's out of control forced vaccinations are occurring and they had the
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vaccination at Fox they had a vaccine mandate at Fox News at Daily Wire they had an agreement with
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Google not to discuss it on YouTube now they were never that mad though or emotional about it
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Israel gets attacked two weeks ago and I've never seen Shapiro angrier than he has been these past
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two weeks I've never seen the kind of herculean effort it's like an alarm went off with Levin and
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Shapiro and they go on Fox and they they threaten this country they say if America doesn't give
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Israel everything it needs Israel's going to nuke everybody and it's like this nuclear
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blackmail and it's like hang on a second I don't think it's like that I think that's what it is
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yeah great great whoa great great great great cool I it's strange that Alex is just agreeing
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because what he is agreeing to by sort of just letting slide is this entire they're loyal to
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Israel over the United States stuff and that's uh I mean he has to know Alex has to know yeah
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he understands yeah just letting this stand and not pushing back in any way is a tacit approval
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you know I was just thinking about this the other day and it's like people remember 1984 and they
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go ah dystopia you mean the country or are they the year the novel um and and country and then
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yeah that was an interesting uh but then you know the ending is like is that it's possible
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maybe that is a happy ending all right because he's like you know what fuck it I'll I'll do it
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you know I think I think you you have a rare take on it see so like so like think about how think
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about how Alex must feel right now like faced with all of the the contradictions and all of the
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problems that his own thoughts have led him to sure he gets to see Nick do so much more heavy
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lifting and he just gets to go yeah man that's so right sure so right well see 1984 was a happy book
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the booze helps yeah it might be more new uh uh Brave New World that's a good point maybe we
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should stick with Brave New World so Alex thinks that the uh the war uh that's going on the Israel
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Palestine situation is a distraction it's from the the bugs apparently from the bugs if you just
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pull back from this again I think the whole Israel Palestinian thing becomes a distraction from war
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in Ukraine and dollar devaluation and fentanyl and pedophilia and and social credit scores and
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UN treaties for forced injections and the WEF in all fairness maybe you're right maybe I'm wrong
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I I just think what I'm covering is the most important stuff and so it's a perspective thing
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and I don't think there's any sacred cows you know when the ADL literally certifies the curriculum in
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colleges down to the first grade telling children they're bad because they're Christian or white or
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Catholic and the government says Catholics conservative Catholics number one threat I say
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yeah they haven't done that since you can't make point tests for what he says uh that's race based
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or whatever when you're 10 times more extreme so I'm saying that all I want to be recognized as
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I'm really trying to have a honest open debate about this about what why won't people just
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tell me I'm a good boy for doing the things that I'm already doing what is what is the debate he's
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trying to have about I want Nick to tell me that I'm a good boy I think you would enjoy that I
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think you would appreciate it yeah no so here's here's essentially what I would boil this down to
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Alex believes that the ADL is telling everybody that they have to have this curriculum that says
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that white people are inherently evil right so in that context you can't be mad that Nick
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hates Jewish people you can't be mad that he's racist because the ADL is being racist to him so
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Alex is gonna side with Nick's racism every time but he doesn't want there to be trouble and that's
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the debate he's trying to have right as opposed to being a you've created a fiction wherein your
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racism is justifiable oh as opposed to you are justified yeah that might be yeah no that's
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exactly what's going on is the the attempt to justify is there because on some level you
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know is that this isn't justified yeah no I mean when you start talking to yourself like that
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there's part of you that's just going like I'm having this debate inside whether I'm pulling
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this off this argument is not going well in my brain I can't imagine wanting it to be outside
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of there yeah not good so I told you that Nick makes one very big error sure and it happens for
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a while he worships ball close that's a huge one close can't worship ball well I mean in some ways
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there's an idolatry and in some ways there's a figure that he respects that he shouldn't that
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Alex is gonna take issue with yeah I mean I see that as a if Israel's 100 pound gorilla
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the thousand pound gorilla is China it's true China is a true geopolitical adversary honestly
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though I maybe we disagree a little on this I actually support China's rise I support the
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Chinese-Russia coalition because I look at the American state which has targeted people like
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you and me and I think that the more that the American state recedes the better that is for us
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yeah but just because the people running us are bad doesn't mean that the vacuum and what the
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chai comes you get that right like like like I'm not against the Russian people because China is
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expansionary Putin cut weapons funding pull back we're gonna do organic farming and promote our
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families and have Russians that that is a beautiful message I support Vladimir Putin in that we need
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to have children we're Christian organic farming Russia's just trying to defend itself China is
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was set up by the globalists it's like cancer it's expansionary so just because Russia's run to China
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to save itself I you know there was a big Russian Sino split the globalists always tried to make
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that split now they've caused that convergence this isn't a very sophisticated ran corporation
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projections Nick was very sophisticated so brand condescending fuck Nick Nick this might be too
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sophisticated yeah this is big boy stuff projections come on man so this is really the
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only tactical mistake that Nick made in this interview this immediately turned off a great
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portion of Alex's audience and limited the ability he had to swing them to his side other than this
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he was right on track to radicalize a huge number of info warriors but it's just he was dancing
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circles around I mean what I find so fascinating about it over and over and over again is how much
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more powerful fiction is than reality because what Nick is saying is 100 accurate that is exactly
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what the people and that's why people who are in league with Nick behave this way because that is
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correct you're just not allowed to say it well that you have to lie to people in order to get them to
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believe the opposite of what you're doing not quite not quite now you can project this onto
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Russia but you can't onto China project what onto China the idea of creating other power blocks is
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helpful to take away the power of the United States that I feel is oppressing me what do you
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mean that's a large part of what Nick's saying yeah he welcomes China's rise yeah the less power
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the United States has yes the better it is for you and me but you're not allowed to in the info
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wars and the conspiracy space to apply that to China you can only use that with Russia right
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right of creating a multi-polar world and all that is only acceptable through Russia right that's
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again that's what I'm saying is that that is what Nick is saying a true thing right that he should
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be lying about yes that everybody knows only expressing it through Russia exactly yeah yeah
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also it's super ironic for Alex to say that Russia is an expansionist while they are literally in the
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middle of a war that's meant to expand the borders die hey what you gonna do he's just desperate for
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a way to say Russia is white and Christian and shares a lot of the same bigotries as I do so
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they're fine and can do nothing wrong that's basically and that is what the distinction is
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I believe between China and Russia in terms of what you're able to project the balance of power
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equation on yeah yeah yeah I mean it's that also there's so much of the white identity that's
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mixed up in it so you can't be like well allowing China which is so much the other to accrue some
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kind of a global power that's dangerous whereas I associate myself with Russia right so it's fine
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sure yeah yeah now big mistake I believe on Nick's part because it's going to take up a lot of time
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uh-oh but he makes it worse oh no so I'm saying yeah there's been a globalist alliance with China
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that's broken but just because it's broken just because I don't like the new world order the
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globalist doesn't mean I like Xi Jinping I do like Xi Jinping though I like because so you like three
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million Muslims in in slave camps I just I don't believe that's true I think that's propaganda
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it's seriously I mean when I you know I went in about it I tore my Achilles nine years ago
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and it's almost completely gone so my right leg's a crutch now I can still you know run
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but not well and I went to six different doctors just because the Achilles Austin
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San Antonio Dallas and they all said oh don't worry we got tissue grown in China
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when I asked to see the paperwork they went it to the place yeah actually it's a cadaver
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China's selling body parts brother my leg ain't fixed as I waited too long I gotta have a cadaver
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part and I morally cannot be part of killing some Falun Gong person to get that because I already
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I just can't have that in my life I just think that when people talk about the Uyghur
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concentration camps I just feel like that state department propaganda like atrocity propaganda
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are you gonna let that set you China as evil rather than a geopolitical no you know what I
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don't care doing Nick I'm not trying to interrupt you I'll try to shut up and stick a sock on my
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mouth for five minutes I don't want to be accused of not giving you time this is a great discussion
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a great debate hmm China's own government admits that Mao Zedong killed at least 65 million of
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their own people so obviously I disagree with Nick and I don't think that the abuse of the Uyghur
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people in China is state department propaganda if I were in this conversation with him about it
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which would never happen I would not take the approach Alex is in an attempt to convince Nick
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that he's wrong about this Alex tells a personal anecdote where a doctor told him that he was going
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to get a cadaver Achilles tendon from China or something yeah there's no proof of anything here
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you have to believe Alex's story which is a big leap and then believe that the doctor in the story
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is telling Alex the truth which is tough and then believe that Alex is conveying the information
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accurately which is impossible so that's like you can see what Nick does and that is just
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ignore that entire story see because that's what you do in a situation like this it's like that
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that's meaningless right and then so Alex tries again after Nick just restates his point again
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and that is to say that Mao killed a bunch of people which doesn't really work here either
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Alex is just throwing non-sequiturs at Nick and Nick is just saying I don't believe this and Alex
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can't confront that head on because he doesn't really know anything about it yeah he just knows
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it as a touchstone talking point buzzword kind of thing and he honestly doesn't care about it
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we've heard him talk about how little he cares about the Uyghurs he just doesn't want China to
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do anything about like the United States he doesn't know that's that's a form of weird
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moral bullying for some reason yeah yeah which is like okay man it's a pretend high ground kind of
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thing and it's Alex has no investment in it and therefore can't deploy that in the situation of
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this conversation yeah and I mean man it is difficult to properly convey gravitas whenever
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you are throwing around multiple genocides mm-hmm in one conversation sure like uh fucking
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comparing wines and refute not refuting because he's not really yeah yeah yeah and here's here's
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the other thing too like Nick can choose to stipulate all of the stuff that Alex is saying
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is true and still maintain his support of Xi no problem nothing Alex is saying has any real impact
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on that argument and I think that this highlights something that I've noticed about Alex he doesn't
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seem able to understand how to make a point anymore he's relied on these buzzwords and the
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same talking points for so long that he doesn't really have any greater depth and when you're
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talking to someone like Nick who's thought about his positions and isn't afraid to bite bullets
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like saying he likes Xi on Infowars that's gonna be a problem Alex has just got the spaghetti to
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throw at the wall and like I don't know one of those poppers that goes it gets confetti thrown
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out of it you know fun distractions but it's not anything I mean you know this is a slam dunk for
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him in a sense though that is probably more to his advantage and more to Nick's disadvantage
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in real life you know like I could see that you know Nick is always going to have a ceiling
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because of his willingness to bite bullets you know he's not he's not going to break free of
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because people don't want honesty sort of on a fundamental level well and the shallow optical
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stuff that Alex is doing is what the audience wants sure they don't want him to be like are
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you serious you don't believe in the the mistreatment of the Uyghurs let's go through it
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they don't want that no they want somebody to just say you're bad because you like China
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that's enough for Alex's audience they they don't they don't want uh digging into this they don't
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want any any actual information they just want uh hey I like Xi whoops fuck you yeah yeah yeah
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it's very much like uh you know they want to watch a war movie they don't want to actually
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go to war Jesus fucking Christ man Nick what the shit yeah you're out of your mind so uh Nick
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talks about how he thinks that people just call China evil sure because that's how you get them
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ready for attack basically yeah well yeah are you really sure I mean because are you sure China's
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good I'm not saying they're good I'm just saying that I don't think it's when we call them evil
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this is what states do because the United States would never be whipped up into a frenzy to go to
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war with Russia China Iran if they thought that they were just adversaries if they thought that
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they were just competitors or rivals so that's why in every case they need to say Putin is kidnapping
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orphans and he bombed a maternity ward and the Palestinians decapitated a million babies no I
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get it they use that foreign threat to set up tyranny here I totally agree and well and I think
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they do the same thing with the Uyghurs I think that you know for example they talk about the
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of the social credit system in China we have the same thing in America we have a social credit
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system in America it's hardly any different in fact it's worse because at least in China the
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social credit system rewards good citizenship and America punishes good citizenship so I feel like
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with a lot of them let me just be clear and Nick maybe you might be smarter than I am but I was
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but I was really dumb when I was your age I'm impressed by how smart you are at your age so
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it's not a put down you just learn along I've studied Russia and other than being a strong arm
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and having problems having problems I find out of the whole world the the best public push for
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families and children and Christianity because I see that and I'm on a I'm on a Russo file I'm on
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a Russo phone I just call it like I see it when I see China with the human animal clones and all of
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it man I see the nastiest thing I've ever seen I'll just be I mean brother I do some studying I
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love it what I read what the Communist Party central committee puts out and I'm telling you
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China is bad they're bad the communist Chinese are bad bad well and I'm not I'm not trying to
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denigrate you or I think you're more intelligent than me I think you're the genius mastermind
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behind Infowars and and it's nothing like that I'm skeptical and here's why I think that the
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United States is a has become a very evil country too I think that I agree interesting so Nick is
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making a decent point that appealing to emotion and characterizing conflicts between states as
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good versus evil can be a way to convince people to support violent action in situations they
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wouldn't otherwise give one example I mean it's fair enough right right I mean it's fair enough
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but let's go another step with this are states the only ones who do this or is this also a
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fitting description of what Alex does with his enemies which are largely vulnerable groups in
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the population he spends all day demonizing immigrants LGBTQ folk and with a renewed vigor
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Muslims and he always characterizes them as evil he even tosses in literal demons into the
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conversation dehumanizing his enemies in a way that allows his audience to see negative things
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that happen to them is not really that negative if Alex's audience had any interest in paying
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attention they might notice that dynamic and Nick is calling it out also Nick is saying that
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states call other states evil in order to justify attacking them but then at the end there he says
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the U.S. is evil that's weird seems like he should have chosen a different word hey maybe internal
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logic isn't his forte not a strong suit yeah but but but I mean in terms of saying more things that
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are like it's a fair point like he has more thoughtfulness to what he's saying than Alex's
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blustery bullshit and I think that it shows very clearly I mean I don't know I I think I think
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it's maybe the opposite in this case you know like how can I put this because we're so used
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to being on the bottom rung right then it feels like a step up is a movement up as opposed to
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uh Nick is just you know the the the level is still falling you know Nick is just higher up
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on the on the terrible fall range you know what I'm saying no yeah that I think that's what I'm
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saying yeah no there is there is a marked difference between them and he still sucks
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right but we are we are used to we're used to negative 10 and we're seeing negative four
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right or whatever in terms of communication ability right right right right well maybe
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negative two in terms of communication because you know Nick Nick can concisely make a point
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it's just usually the point sucks and oftentimes it's using little rhetorical tricks hiding the
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football sometimes it's just hard to deal with a person like Nick whenever like what we're talking
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about is the the expression of something as opposed to the reality of it you know like he is
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more superficially good at talking superficial than Alex yeah in this fan in this manner you
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know and he's able to incorporate actual agreeable points into that superficial presentation right
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which is part of what makes him I think a little bit more of a dangerous rhetorical figure than
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Alex right because I want to be clear he is not above Alex Alex is just lower you know like like
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he's still at the bottom that's fair there's just an alternate universe bottom that Alex also gets
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to you know like he got to the star world Super Mario but but you should also there's another
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thing that Alex is better at which we can't deny and and yeah and I think well just because we're
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evil doesn't mean another evil is okay but the difference is I'm gonna shut up we're gonna break
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in in I'm gonna shut for 10 minutes I'm shutting up right now I'm gonna have to get up and walk
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off and drink a cup of coffee so I think that the difference is the jurisdiction in China this
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keeps happening I love it yeah that's that's the he's very good at going to get coffee that is the
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one saving grace that Alex has on this in this power display is Alex can just walk the fuck away
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didn't see that coming did you little kid I invited you into my million dollar studio to have
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a live interview and I will just walk off and leave my own studio probably do substances right
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around the corner yep so Nick believes that and actually I kind of I'm of two minds about this
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so he he believes that China is great because he is a dissident in the United States and the
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United States doesn't like their dissidents but China would like him because he's a dissident
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against the United States now I think that is not true in a sincere sense right but he would
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serve a great propaganda purpose for China's use as a U.S. dissident you know what I'm saying I
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mean yeah he's very clearly expressing like uh listen I'm all for fascism I just want to be on
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the fash side you know what I'm saying yeah you and I are dissidents in the United States that
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means that we support American sovereignty and in a sense we're sort of in like a knife fight with
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the powers that be because if we win they lose it's a zero-sum game if we and the Americans
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become sovereign that means that the globalists are no longer sovereign so we are total enemies
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China is an adversary of the United States regime and so necessarily China doesn't hate American
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dissidents as much as the American government does like I think about Snowden when Snowden betrayed
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the NSA where did he seek refuge he sought refuge in Russia and Russia was the only place that he
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could be safe yeah China wouldn't give it to him that's what I'm saying well but Russia was the
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only I only see virtue back to you back to the studio they're the best house in a bad neighborhood
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and I'm not a russephile I just I'm sorry I'm stopping go ahead you're good no I'm shutting
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up now shut up Jones go ahead I'm shutting up now uh but yep hmm I only see virtue in Russia
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great not a russephile I'm not I'm not a team player I've re I'm realizing that like more and
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more of just like man y'all will join any old team won't you wait till Jesus wait till the end
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of this god damn it Dan so uh Nick prefers China to the United States apparently sure so so much
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for America first but I do think that they're better than what we have going on in the United
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States I think on some fundamental level it's almost like a morality being better than immorality
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the United States is led by you know and I don't want to keep going back to it but it's what it is
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it's the ZOA on one side it's the ADL on the other on the one hand it's these
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atheist nihilist types and they're totally against any kind of religion they're totally against any
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conception of God and definitely against Christianity on the other side it's these
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religious foreign nationals that are trying to ban the gospel and the holy land and even China
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recognizes that's who's really pulling the strings in western society they talk about it all the time
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for them it's just a geopolitical reality that when they confront the west that's who they're
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dealing with that's where the seat of power is and so on the one hand you have China that has
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really no morality they've substituted Confucian tradition and they've substituted their eastern
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philosophy on our side we have people that actively put Jesus up on the cross whoa okay
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so I got some deicide touch points here so yeah he prefers China because it's just no morality
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whatsoever over there as opposed to the United States which apparently is run by the people who
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killed Christ I mean this is just trash I don't think his understanding of global geopolitics is
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that not great no I don't think so I don't think he would do well in the model UN oh oh
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hmm I bet he would have back when he was in high school I don't think so you can't seen those
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videos of him listen at the time he used to be just a normal GOP kind of kid he used to be a
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young young conservative league type of guy gross yeah so gross don't let your kids grow up to be
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cowboys whichever so Nick wants China to invade the United States okay that's fun which I gotta
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be honest I'll take that he's just trolling Alex at this point he's going a little far for fun
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come on it doesn't mean I'm necessarily pro-China but I'll take China over what we have going on now
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I said on my show I wish China would invade us they would probably take black crime seriously
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they take the border seriously they wouldn't be going to war for Israel in the Middle East
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so I in some sense I feel like maybe that would be an improvement over what we have now at least
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if they're a check on our power all right I'll jump in here briefly this is one of the big things
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that the anti-israel lobby does that is dishonest there are six major hollywood production outfits
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they're been bankrupt forever and I said decades ago I was reading the wall street journal article
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and I talked to people I didn't know they said yeah uh Saudi Arabia is the second largest group
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second largest group but China's buying up everything now that's all admitted so the joke was
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Jones says China and Saudi Arabia and Hollywood I was just reading headlines they're doing
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now China controls four of the six outlets and it's admitted that they fund this anti-america
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race war narrative to destabilize us so it's true China puts gays in prison and it's true that they
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do all that and they're promoting three families or three children nuclear families now that you
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know Xi Jinping broke with the west wanting them to not have nuclear families because China's not
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under globalist control now so it's kind of got its own version of its takeover so I think China
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is in command of itself that's why it's under attack by the by the globalists you're absolutely
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right but China is still funding the left and the poisoning of America so nick is saying that
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he wants China to invade because then they would take uh his racist picadillos seriously yeah and
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Alex is saying no no no they own all the movie studios and they're the ones who are causing
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the uh the problems that you see with racism and all right so that thing about China owning four
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of the studios is news to me because Alex's old talking point is that they owned all of them yeah
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I recall them owning all of them yeah it's almost like the numbers kind of arbitrary is he like
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hedging his bets in case here's what Nick might know that yes that there's one that they don't
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own that's legitimately what I think it is I think it is when he's alone he can say all
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yeah and when Nick's there he has to say four in case in case Nick actually knows yeah yeah
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also it sure sounds like Alex was saying Alex was saying that China putting gay people in
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prison was part of the list of positive attributes for the country did seem like that sucks yeah
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sucks yeah you know I'm I'm struggling to get over the whole like this is people I hate countries
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I do I really do like China is this like man whenever whenever people are talking about this
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whenever people are talking about global affairs personification of countries yeah I really think
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about it and it's like do you know what's going on there's like 30,000 people who can make decisions
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right now and we all pretend that there's countries like that's the reality like if
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you added up everybody who could make a choice that would have a difference that would make
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that would impose its will upon this world there's like 30,000 people and those and I have to pretend
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that it's China or whatever you know 30,000 people at least in you know countries that have
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democracies in place and such are just the people who are like anybody else and in theory you could
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vote them out and uh theory yeah I don't know anyway Nick argues that um Jewish people hate
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whites sure this is not good that's not good why would the ADL openly fund the the curriculum that
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whites are inherently evil that is so racist that is it's it's it's it's it's Hitler behavior I
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agree yeah I mean they hate whites they absolutely hate whites and they talk about they want America
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to be a white minority country they want America to lose what is the point of that if the majority
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of white people are pro-israel well I think that the point of that is that this is a quote from
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Brett Stevens Brett Stevens used to write at Jerusalem Post now he's at New York Times
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he's like a big neo-con hawk he wrote this book American Retreat and it's actually interesting
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it predicted a lot of what's happening now but he's in favor of all these wars and Brett Stevens
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he did a debate with Rabbi Shmuley four or five years ago about Trump and the question is is
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Trump good for the Jewish people and I always love this quote because I think it summed it up nicely
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he said that he's against Trump because Trump is hostile to the liberal international principles
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that have been so good to Jews and when you really interrogate and think about it you know
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Hitler talked about the same thing it's that when you look at a a truly open society a truly liberal
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international open society that tends to be where the Jewish diaspora feels the most comfortable
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you know because a lot of these liberal Jewish people they don't want to move to Israel they're
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everybody feels the most comfortable so like Sarah Silverman when they see an American flag go up it
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reminds them of Hitler and maybe you've seen that clip she says my boyfriend put an American flag
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up in the front lawn and it made me think of Hitler and so they have this sort of histrionic
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fear of nationalism or of white solidarity because they recognize that in in any kind of historical
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not history nationalist or god forbid if there's a white nation well they're going to stick out
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like a sore thumb and be the aliens so it sort of behooves them for a country to be as diverse
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and sort of star wars cantina as possible yikes so yeah I do think I do think that there might be a
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tradition with white solidarity groups of uh being uh pretty hostile to uh to Jews it's funny that
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histrionic and historical sounds so close to you know it is it is kind of almost too on the nose
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yeah and I mean I don't know if I'm gonna go ahead and uh necessarily take Sarah Silverman
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something she said as the the end-all be-all and I think if I recall correctly that was about the
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association of Trump with the flag yeah um and so I mean it's regardless I think your yelling kind
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of made the point I think that that uh yeah and when you're talking about something that you think
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is a real good point and you're like Hitler wrote about this it's usually a side of uh what you uh
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where you're at there is a part of me that hates him most just because he thinks he's so fucking
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cool for saying that he thinks he's so fucking hard he slid it in so he's the guy who can do
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oh my god shut the fuck up he's hot dogging on Alex you're just a racist there's nothing special
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about you well it's it's he's only special in as much as we I don't know if we've seen one quite
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like him in a few years you know sure but that's not that special I would say that if you are next
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to Alex you're there because you want to feel more special than you are I definitely think that's one
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of the appeals of going to four studios you probably feel pretty great you feel pretty great
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about yourself so again we hear about the speakership sure still no one knows anything about
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Mike Johnson the jury's out on Mike Johnson you know he called for Pelosi's arrest he says he's
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against the Ukraine war but he also voted for it uh I'm not ready to pass judgment on the new
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speaker we're gonna have to do some major research on that before we do you're a pretty informed
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person Nick Fuentes what do you think well I don't know much about Mike Johnson he was pretty far
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down the list you know they went through Scalise and Jordan and Emer and Donalds and so this is
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really I think this is what their fourth or fifth guy and I don't know that much about him no one
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does turns out and a fucking name like Mike Johnson that's the way you couldn't have been
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blander I mean it is it is a it is the most invisible white man thing that you can be
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yeah just be a Mike Johnson and uh by the way learn a little bit more you're gonna love him
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yeah great yeah it's great so I think the coffee breaks are starting to get to Alex I'm feeling
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a different tone and wait for how different this tone is okay let me ask you this because one of
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your biggest criticisms is um people sit back and maybe it's tongue in cheek I'm sure it is
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you say I don't get the exact quote there's nothing more gay than being obsessed with women
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or whatever the quote is it's something like that correct me if I'm wrong and I think it would be
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really good for your PR plus it's a lot of fun why don't you get married have some babies people
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I think you're the best advice I can give you Nick is get a girlfriend get married man you'd be even
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and once it's a lot of fun to have kids and be married where are you on that what was the quote
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about it's gay to be into women I said the gayest thing what did I say I said the straightest thing
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is to be an asexual and so but I said that in the context here you know you're you're a guy you know
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you're an entertainer you say you ham it up a little bit it's a joke things yeah uh partially
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but the point is this there's a lot of guys one of my favorite rants you ever did you said that
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young men today don't care about Magellan or Columbus they care about Justin Bieber they care
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about silly stuff and I think one of the big that's a favorite quote of yours just for women
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is a distraction exactly yeah the the simping that goes on uh these guys they're basically like male
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feminists and their whole obsession is sex women girlfriend that sort of thing and even the whole
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arrangement these days you know you have these guys they'll date a woman for 10 years and not
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get married they'll date a woman they'll co-habitate then they don't get then they then
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they get married and then they get divorced and it's just a lot of silly stuff let me give you
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a little advice when the baby's born you're gonna love it and something's gonna flip in your head
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but when it's sitting on your knee at six months man you're a whole nother man I love everybody
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should have children yeah it is magic everyone have children absolutely yeah I'm gonna have
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kids in my life but you know right now but I figured that clip was out of context because
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I've seen other stuff you said yeah but that's what they did yeah so they do see now that's an
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option that I didn't know is available and it's not available because I again I'm limited I'm
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limited in my imagination right by professionalism right I didn't realize that an option that's
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available to Alex on a show is if Nick Fuentes is making you feel uncomfortable by being you know
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able to talk to you about things just act like his weird creepy uncle that's available to him yeah
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well I mean Nick does say shit like that and it's like uh why not be like hey didn't you say it was
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gay to have sex with women hey you gonna get married you dating anybody right now who you
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dating tell me a little bit about you let me tell you about the joy of having white babies you know
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I've uh here's the type of lady I like you want to tell me about the type of lady you like Nick
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like yeah he's got that available get the fuck out of there the vision of a woman her behavior
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is the most important thing but who she is but what what do you like brunettes you like blondes
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you like redheads I like an Italian drop like an Italian girl with light eyes but it's very
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important to me I'm really looking at it I want a genetic I'm looking at it from a genetic point of
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view I'm going a little Hitler here sure sure I want my kids to have hair you know so I want I
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want her parents to have good hair I want I want her to be smart no offense I want to have but I'm
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joking a lot of times having hair is not a denominator of smarts true well yeah and I agree
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with that you want to marry like spy chiefs and rocket scientists like my family exactly yeah
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exactly yeah god combine both sides like you know that's right yeah you and me coming together
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produce the ultimate oh we're gonna get married yeah you and me are gonna get married yeah could
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you imagine you're a handsome guy but I'm either dude sorry or uncle Hitler coming again no but
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daddy and baby Hitler that's right yeah so probably an Italian uh person yeah that's where
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we wind up with all of all of that done all the journey taken our fucking feet have finally hit
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the fucking end of the road and it's probably in Italian I'd like to reproduce with an Italian
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but I mean great great okay sure I mean that's fine I have no opinion on this it's an interesting
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place for this to go certainly yeah I think that most interviews aren't gonna end up with
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what are you liking a lady I I will say that that is uh I appreciate you know it's it's always made
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me uncomfortable and this just really makes it very clear you know like if you are a person
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who treats uh an entire uh gender like a pizza right you're not gonna have a good time probably
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not nah it's gonna be a bad day he's ordering toppings here exactly Italian yeah yeah I mean
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it is it is literally well because he's trying to create like his genetic baby right he's trying to
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create his perfect uh white baby right yeah maybe a person maybe meet one no okay fair enough
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women are a tool by which you have a family yeah as opposed to it's another person that you're
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engaged in a thing with what can I order how long does it take to deliver to my door
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now as surprising as this little conversation about uh you should have kids sure is yeah one
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of the things when you're doing lines of coffee sure is you're prone to mood swings that'll happen
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and so Alex I I this is out of nowhere okay and it's harsh okay yeah what's your family
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thinking what you're doing I mean they don't agree with everything I say but they support
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what I'm doing uh you know my parents they're real boomers they're like go and do whatever
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makes you happy man well I'll say this when the universities and the public schools the
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elementary schools are teaching white people are bad I say the left and CNN and ADL all bets are
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off you can't point this guy with race-based politics when he's a two and you're a ten
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and then say he's the devil you just I mean that that that's where I'm at I've tried to sell
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Americana I've really tried to get everybody on the same page I've done the best job I can I
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believe in everybody but my my six and a half year old daughter's home school but we put her
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in a lot of exercise camps she's like a little Ronald Schwarzenegger and she came home a few
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weeks ago and told me she was this camp where they during the break at lunch they aired over
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the air speakers she's really doesn't make stuff up this is adult stuff super smart right Veronica
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and she told me they told me white people are bad am I bad it's over folks done the Rubicon
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you want it you got it now you mess with my six-year-old it's over so you you want it you
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finally got what you wanted fuck you fuck you for that you pieces of fucking left of shit
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so that's where I'm at gloves are off that's where he's at yeah yeah that's where he's at
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if I'm Nick I'm sitting there like what the fuck where did this come from that is just I mean you
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just don't get that anywhere else with nothing being said that's relevant in any way Alex has
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just been like I'm with you now man yep I'm a full nazi mask off time to do it because my daughter
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went to a camp and they said she was bad because she's white and now I'm a nazi I tried to do
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Americana I did it I tried I did the best I could and now I have to exterminate all non-white gloves
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are off you leftist pieces of shit man all right buddy calm down hey the the one saving grace of
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this horrific terrifying like almost banal and psychopathic discussion of the worst that humanity
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has to offer is that Alex is just an idiotic buffoon yeah at the end of the day I mean it's
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what makes this prism in any way entertaining yeah you know like looking at what they're doing
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is it it without the buffoonery would be just a dry uh kind of awful oh just non-stop depression
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and it still bums me out it still depresses me but at least Alex has like these mood swings
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and like I mean it's it's something it's it is and it's so like the end result of going to the
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coffee room I mean it is it is it's uh it's um uh Chekhov's coffee room yep
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and you know this is the same theme that was playing a little bit earlier the trying to
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create a justification for your bigotry yeah um but what Alex isn't taking into consideration
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is like what Nick actually believes yeah like he's signing on to what Nick's saying and that is that
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Jewish people are the devil right so yeah that that's what Alex that the gloves are off there
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Alex yes I believe Alex has just said that he is fine with uh I guess uh that all Jews being killed
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um or at least expelled forcefully sure so um he's really mad about this very true story about his
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daughter yeah it sounds so true it's so true and so absurdly true I've heard from a very reliable
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source that his daughter does not make things up especially not whenever it would make her
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dad incredibly happy to hear exactly the thing that she says right a six-year-old who's only
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lived with Alex and is homeschooled yeah uh reliable source yeah you're a war with trying
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to brainwash children and your children and I read the news they're covertly everywhere they
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keep files on kids in the public schools and hide it from the parents I mean it's like whoa
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you're gonna teach my beautiful daughter she's bad because she's white but fuck you I I mean
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that's all I can say is burn in hell man in fact you want to make it you got it you got what you
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want him yeah well and that's the important thing is they started it they drew first blood they did
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yeah well yeah I mean we wanted to be left alone we're patriots we want to do our thing and you
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know work hard and well let's be clear it's not the average hispanic or black person that's doing
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this no it's the establishment whoever that is whoever that is okay wow you whoever that is game
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over you want it you got it so this is the change it's here get used to it folks so this is the
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change it's here get used to it folks so is that meaning there's an editorial change at infowars
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that's uh being signified by this uh substance fueled outburst probably no I mean it's always
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been the same thing it's just like this is this isn't different no it's it's just an anger and an
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Alex owning up to what he actually stands for yeah yeah man that sucks it really sucks it just sucks
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it does yep don't get drunk at work I mean it's unadvisable especially when you're hanging out
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with baby Hitler I mean and trying to have an adult conversation where you push back on the
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things he's saying because honestly if I'm Nick right now I am laughing my ass off because this
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guy yeah has just given up entirely I mean he's saying that everything I'm saying is right right
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and I'm gonna lead him down the path and not just that it's everybody else's fault yeah oh
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yeah and and just like I'm just gonna bring him along just string him we all have to come together
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and oppose a globalist well we beat Hitler now we're facing things far worse 100 percent well
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because they're motivated by the devil I mean it's nothing short of Satanism and it's coming
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what teaching six-year-old girls are back as her wife that's not evil it is that's what I'm saying
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that's devil that's straight up from the devil it is from Satan yeah they crossed the line you
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can lie about me but not my kids man yeah yeah well and and they're doing that to this entire
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country that's our entire progeny our being sent to war genitals chopped off sold into debt slavery
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it's because the people that lead the country they don't love God and they hate this country they're
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not loyal to this country they're not loyal to us they're not loyal to the human species no no they
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worship death and I think they commune with demons that's the only thing that explains
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oh it's skull and bones they do weeks of chanting to become possessed
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yeah it's uh two minutes to break keep going keep going Nick two minutes to break two minutes
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to break it's sad our lamenting of the imagination it's too bad that you just got real fucked up out
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of nowhere huh yeah yeah so um Nick is clearly talking about Jewish people he's signifying with
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things like they're not loyal to this country you know these are all buzz code words that he's
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he's you know they they don't believe in Christ all of these things are his code for I'm talking
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about Jewish people and Alex is like you bet man you fucking bet they're all demons yep and the
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reason that he's and he's so he's it's ironically comforting for Alex and that's why you bring the
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demons in there at the end because Alex will be like yeah demons that makes sense to me yeah
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doesn't matter what you're describing oh demons okay now I get what you're okay yeah yeah yeah
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demons cool we got he's like um like somebody who who I don't even I can't even come up with
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a metaphor no because he's only Alex no I'm talking about Nick he's just somebody who's like
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all right they're out of their mind now I'm going to use this for my purpose oh he's he's made the
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sale you know he's made the sale and now he's just trying to get uh get get maybe he'll get a
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warranty uh yeah hey you want to extended warranty out of this I was I was thinking about it being
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like somebody who has ill will but like is that a chill out tent or something like that it's like
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Alex is out of his mind and he's going to sell him a time share somebody who's who's out there
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trying to ruin trips yes yes yes basically I like that okay so also you have this earlier thing
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where Nick is talking about the the way that uh states call other states demons and they're evil
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in order to you know uh facilitate and justify violence against them now I do believe that there
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are literal demons talking to the people who run those states right and they're Jewish and they're
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Jewish yeah it's this is comical this this uh so I told you earlier to keep in mind the idea that
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there is like this is all about Christianity this is about his firm belief right in Christianity yes
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and nothing else Christ uh and uh maybe not oh and that's why in some sense I see a little kinship
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even with the Muslims because like you said like in Dearborn they're protesting this stuff too I'm
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not in favor of I'm not Muslim no but I mean no no I think the lesser two evils is the Muslims
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compared to Hollywood exactly yeah because even the Muslims would say don't touch our kids don't
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cut our kids genitals off even they understand well they don't just understand they'll stand up
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right they go out there and fight well I said maybe maybe if Christianity won't stand up maybe
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Islam is I mean you know what I mean if Christianity doesn't show up I mean maybe it's Islam
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that's what I'm saying that doesn't make me a Muslim doesn't mean I love that whole situation
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but Christians won't fight but they need to yeah so Christians won't fight and uh you know maybe
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maybe the Muslims are the you know it you know I the thought occurred to me I was like it's been
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a problem for humanity you know the religions always doing all their fighting there's a lot
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of fighting that is religiously based but you know now that I think about it maybe I think it's good
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because the people in the religions who want to do the fighting are fighting each other
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not us you know like what if all the religious people got together and then came after the rest
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of us that's not good that's real bad and that is kind of a little bit what them no no no Islam
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Christianity keep fighting keep fighting guys you guys oh you hate each other so much oh religion's
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real go get fighting oh it's God he's gonna kick you there is a certain amount of what Nick and
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Alex are saying here that is like let's just get together and kill all the like 100 left-leaning
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people yeah let's kill the left yeah yeah everybody who says we shouldn't use religion to
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kill people we should use our religion to kill them and maybe we should just go Muslim why not
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maybe it's that we don't actually believe any of the tenets of any of the books we just know that
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the ones that we like give us the opportunity to exploit them to commit the acts of violence we
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like so much and that's how we get to the last clip oh boy and Andrew Tate you know I've seen
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his appearances on this show and he's obviously a Muslim and he says that he says you know the
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Christians won't stand up and sadly as a Christian I thought he wants to have the fighters right
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that's why he joined Islam and I get it sneaker did the same thing he's a friend of mine and
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he said I have to go with the Muslims because they're the ones standing up to all this stuff
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now I think that the solution because Christianity is true is that we just need the Christians to
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stand up but Christians are afraid of losing their jobs or getting cancelled or stuff like that we
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need people to get bold well they're not really Christians no that's cowardice this has been an
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incredible debate you're a bad baby what you're bad it's not been an incredible debate and I
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think if I if I had to assess this Nick is still giving lip service to be like you know Christianity
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is what's right sure sure sure sure but there is a like I I want the fight more yeah violence is
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what's right violence is really what I want that violence to be targeted in the directions that I
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wanted to and when we said like hey let's get these religions together to attack the left
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really what he is wanting is to attack Jews yeah like he he was it would be like sneaker is not
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uh becoming a Muslim because of like Christianity anti-semitism right right right um and I just I
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think that they just want violence they just want an outlet for violence and because of the image
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that they have built up in their head of Islam that is what is violent to them yeah and so
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that is bad just bad thinking yeah bad rhetoric trash all around I feel like a
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invalidation of a lot of the uh the uh I mean prior statements you know the weird thing is
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that the problem is the problem isn't that the thinking's bad it's that he's lying about it
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right and he just won't be like why can't just be honest like right just be honest well you're
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Nick Fuentes you have hung out with yay saying that you love Hitler just be honest with yourself
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and say you don't give a fuck about religion you want to hurt the people that you want to hurt
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that's the that's the denial of the brand he can't do that um I yeah it is it is an interesting
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thing where uh there is so much freedom that he has and then yet there is the inability to just
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cut the shit with your uh belief like your your insistence on this is motivated by my religion
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yeah it is not um yeah it is it is a man talking to an audience like we hear so many you know he's
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talking to this audience and then whenever he's in this audience he's going to talk to that audience
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you know those types of things and I I'm you know that's fine I've talked to many different types of
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audience and I don't talk the exact same way to all of them but I am that's who I am you know
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like I'm never not I'm never like oh well this audience will like me more if I pretend to be
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something and then as long as I convince them that I am that thing then it doesn't matter what I
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actually am well but here's the thing is any audience that Nick is in front of he's going to
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have that Christian uh extremist uh it's not put on for Alex's audience no no no no um the the he
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he is talking to them in a way that is more crypto uh of a lot of the bigotries that he has um and I
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think that is in a uh a hope that some of them will migrate over to him um but he's much more
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blunt than a lot of other folks who come around info wars are that's true and I would say that
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at least I appreciate that this didn't have much to do with current events yeah it is nice I was
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pretty much dreading the idea that that it would just be an hour and a half of them yeah uh oh
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yeah yeah getting into the weeds on that um and at least it was more about their interpersonal
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problems and hashing out like Nick you said I was a shill kind of stuff and then Alex sort of
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having his own personal drama and he's come to ironically he's come to Jesus moment about how
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he's actually anti his come to Muslim moment uh I mean oh boy I think I think that uh clip where
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he's like drew first blood like that that to me is like real troubling because I don't think I
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don't think it really means anything no because his beliefs prior to this and and obviously going
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forward will be similarly terrible yeah um but I I don't believe that in vino veritas thing um I
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don't I don't really buy into that yeah but I do think that what you're seeing is Alex a little
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fucked up getting into some of the feelings that he has yeah and some of those feelings are the
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more violent things that is underneath the surface that fuck you you fucking shit fuck
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fuck like that is underneath um a lot of what he he tries to present as like uh these are
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well thought out research yeah I love me some research yeah it's not so much the sounds that
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he's making it's the way and the the tone they have you know and the sounds that he's not making
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right right yeah yeah yeah you know just because the sounds he's making like come to us and they
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look like words you know you feel like they're words yeah mean things that's not the case not
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always no anyway this sucked yep I hate it who's Mike Johnson I don't know I think that's my that's
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my takeaway from this I think he was on the milwaukee bucks in like the 70s okay I could
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see that he was a uh shooting guard for the bucks anyway we'll be back Jordan with another episode
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but until then uh we have a website indeed we do it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on
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twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight yep um uh we'll be back but
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until then I'm Neil I'm Dizzy X Clark uh this space will be filled by a bit in the future
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it is yet to be determined oh yeah yeah and now here comes the sex robots Andy in Kansas you're
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on the air thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work
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