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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:59.000)

everybody welcome back knowledge read. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're couple dudes like sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh,

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

indeed we are Dr. Jordan Dan Jordanne quick question for you my buddy. What's up what's right spot today

Dan (00:01:13.000)

my bright spot today Jordan is okay. So last time we talked about this. I went to Wendy's Sure. And I got the chicken sandwich with mozzarella. Patty and going oh, so good. And so I decided hey, let's double down on this show. How

Jordan (00:01:27.000)

why what? No,

Dan (00:01:29.000)

I saw a commercial on YouTube for White Castle. They had sloppy joe. i Oh my god. Yep. So I ordered myself some sloppy joes from White Castle. I told you not to do it. I don't like white castle. But I love Sloppy Joe.

Jordan (00:01:50.000)

I mean, it is it is truly a paradox. What is what bad to do?

Dan (00:01:55.000)

There was a back in Colombia there was a place called Lee street Deli. They were really popular for having LSD shirts that people would love to because it was because

Jordan (00:02:04.000)

it was like it was like a drug. Yeah, it's like the drug but it's not this deli

Dan (00:02:08.000)

was like in the basement of a residential house. It's really difficult. People lived up but the entrance was like through the back on the downstairs. Right? Right. What have you and I don't know you're getting bootleg daily? Yes. Yeah. They couldn't possibly meet fell off the back of a truck. I

Unknown Speaker (00:02:27.000)

don't know where we found it. They couldn't possibly

Dan (00:02:29.000)

have had a license, I'm certain. But they had a thing called juicy burgers. It was two for two bucks on Tuesday. And it was just a sloppy job. Yeah. I like that. I worked there one night. How did it go? I didn't technically work there. I was just really drunk. My buddy Kyle layers work there. That's where

Jordan (00:02:51.000)

that's where you end that sentence Period. End of thought moving on. They were I didn't work there. I was just really drunk. Period. They

Dan (00:02:59.000)

were open fairly late because we were like sloppy joe. It was pretty late. It was on East Campus. like sort of a lot of college student housing and stuff. And yeah, so I Kyle was working and he's just like, you want to want to help out and like fuck it. Yeah, I don't know if I did a good job. Well, who knows? But anyway, I have a love for sloppy joes. Sure. I got these from my castle. And I mean, look, they they were pretty good. Okay, which sucks. Yeah, yeah, I felt terrible. Later. Of course, a little bit later. I felt like oh, no, but they had a good day. They had a good sloppy joe.

Jordan (00:03:36.000)

If you didn't feel terrible afterwards, you would be like this. It was in a White Castle experience. Right,

Dan (00:03:42.000)

Drew? It's almost part of it. No, but here's the thing. I in history have gone to White Castle about once a year or so.

Jordan (00:03:51.000)

Yeah, of course. Absolutely. I

Dan (00:03:55.000)

have to remind myself, I don't want to do it. Yeah. And this time, unfortunately, I don't think that I had that same experience. And now with the burgers and stuff. I'll get it like, oh, yeah, that's why I don't go Yeah, you never know. Bad but like, I feel bad after eating a ton of food. Sometimes. It's not that different.

Jordan (00:04:13.000)

This time. It's not like castles fault is what you're trying to say.

Dan (00:04:17.000)

Anyway, like, it's limited time only baby time

Jordan (00:04:21.000)

only. Well, you know, you don't have much of a choice anyway. My brightspot I don't know if you recall the last brightspot that I had. Oh, we're both doing sequel. Yeah, exactly. So you're doing the sequel to that one. And then we sold out the show that we announced very quickly, which is a lot to handle. So

Dan (00:04:41.000)

I mean, we joked about like maybe it'll be a few tickets are sold out immediately. And unfortunately, I don't know if that's the right. Yeah. Surprisingly, yes. It was the latter. It's sold out very fast. Yeah, much faster than we thought. It's It's

Jordan (00:04:54.000)

wild. So so we have added another show. Yeah, we're We're gonna do another one on Thursday, the second second of March, right? The tickets for that are going to go live on Wednesday. Yeah, that way everybody has for some time, we got a lot of messages that people just found out about the show 20 minutes after it was sold out. I mean, that's, that's crazy. So we're gonna give you some space.

Dan (00:05:18.000)

Yeah, there's there knows. I would I don't know, I'm not super drawn to doing a ton of live shows. Or you know, like, that's not. I feel weird about how our show looks on a stage. Yes, yeah, no, I understand. But I am very motivated by people being like, Hey, I wanted to come. Yeah, yeah, I was 45 minutes after the, they went live. And I, I feel bad for people. And so like, I want to be able to deliver that. And so second show is very, very appropriate. And

Jordan (00:05:51.000)

so yeah, if you've got tickets already, please leave his body open to as many people I don't know. Now I feel egotistical, saying like, Well, I would be begging for more people. I don't know. How do we do this?

Dan (00:06:04.000)

I don't know how to do this part, uncharted territory. Their shows are going to be different. Yes. Yeah. And they'll all come out as episodes, obviously. So you know, no one's gonna miss out on the thing itself. We've

Jordan (00:06:17.000)

not hidden anything from you in the past, we're not going to hide anything. Now. I

Alex Jones (00:06:21.000)

think the best

Dan (00:06:22.000)

way to say this is like, if you have a ticket, if you got to take it to the first one, and you want to come to the second one, that's cool. But maybe give it a little bit of time to give people a chance. Because, hey, you know, Hey, come

Jordan (00:06:36.000)

on. That's the idea. We want everybody to call, you know, I

Dan (00:06:39.000)

don't want people to have a good time. The

Jordan (00:06:41.000)

last time Hold on. Let me try and think about this. The last time I was trying to sell tickets for something was a show that I was doing. And I was standing outside of a bar asking strangers if they wanted to wander in very uncharted territory for me. Oh, those. Those old barking on the street days? Yeah.

Dan (00:07:01.000)

Yeah. Or our live show at the playground. Ooh, good stuff.

Jordan (00:07:07.000)

Good stuff.

Dan (00:07:07.000)

attendance of

Jordan (00:07:09.000)

eight. Yeah. Yeah. I think somebody pointed out that the poster says it's our first live show. And that's not true. We've done two live shows. Yeah, but a total of 30 people have seen them. So

Dan (00:07:22.000)

decent crowd in Austin. But I also I also think that the people at the venue might have added like Instagram and Facebook accounts that aren't ours. I'm sorry, what? I think that they just tried to gather like social media. things. And I don't think those are our salt. Well, because we don't have a Facebook page.

Jordan (00:07:43.000)

No, we don't. Okay, well, I'm fine with that.

Dan (00:07:47.000)

Yeah. Anyway, today we have an episode to do indeed we do. And as discussed, we are going to be back in the present. Okay. So I decided, hey, let's check in. Let's see what was going on last week. Right. So I tuned in on the sick or I'm sorry, on the night, and I was greeted by this.

Alex Jones (00:08:07.000)

In the third hour. Roger Stone is going to join us to talk about Nixon's 109th birthday today.

Dan (00:08:13.000)

I'm like, What the fuck? What? Why? What's who doing? Wait, is he back? He's not Oh, my God. And it's also his 110th birthday. Alex has to correct himself later, what are we doing? Right? And so I was like, this isn't great. So I jumped forward. And so we're gonna be talking about the 12 today, Thursday the 12.

Jordan (00:08:30.000)

Why does he sound so bad? I'm on the ninth that the audio is that just sound that bad. Now, he might

Dan (00:08:35.000)

just sound bad as a person. Okay. But we're gonna jump to the 12. And one of the reasons for this, was that the article in the HuffPost Yes, yeah. Going out on Thursday, I was thinking that Alex might come out of the gate. He's gotta have something right saying some stuff about, hey, look at these people trying to make a petty attack, like texts and anything. Yeah. So we'll get to this. We'll check in on the 12 and see what happens. But until then, before that,

Jordan (00:09:04.000)

but until then, we've got a website sloppy joe.

Dan (00:09:09.000)

Let's say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, I'm a sodomite with a Caribbean black accent and I sent a bucket of poop to Jar Jar Binks. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:09:18.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:09:19.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:20.000)

Thank you next to the great state of denial. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:09:24.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Unknown Speaker (00:09:25.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:09:26.000)

Next Happy Little Miss info raccoon. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:09:30.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Dan (00:09:32.000)

Next Dan Salmond, happy anniversary and sweet dreams. Thank you so much. You are now policy. Well,

Alex Jones (00:09:37.000)

I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:09:38.000)

Thank you very much. And

Dan (00:09:39.000)

we got to take the credit in the mix. Jordan. The excited about that. I'm very excited. So thank you so much to Lilith, the satanic trans, which you are now a technocrat?

Alex Jones (00:09:49.000)

I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. Just gonna take a little break now. A little breaky. For me. He and then we're going to come back and I'm going to start to show over, but I'm gonna be doing all their Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you but at the end of the day, Fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today's broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow.

Dan (00:10:43.000)

He's not talking about Nixon's birthday. Hey, happy

Jordan (00:10:45.000)

birthday Nixon. Happy birthday. So rip.

Dan (00:10:49.000)

So on the ninth Alex says Roger on short Nixon talk right and also a lot of boring J. K talk like just boring ass conspiracy JFK stuff. Like you could get this from any anywhere. Yeah, there's no added wrinkle to it. Although Alex does refer to Roger as one of Nixon's only unindicted plumbers, but Roger probably doesn't, maybe doesn't want that exact title going on there. But there's one clip that he's wanting to play is after a lot of really boring talk, Alex drops this.

Alex Jones (00:11:21.000)

And then I got some inside baseball to my grandmother, in college dated LBJ is hitman. She almost married him. And he basically told her all about it as well. I was comfortable all the time. My mom's mommy.

Dan (00:11:39.000)

clarified, it was on your mom's side.

Jordan (00:11:41.000)

That was the thing that I was gonna ask. My next question, obviously had nothing to do with maternal, murdering people left and right. Yeah, it was like, Hey, wait, we ready for the vape my grandma

Dan (00:11:50.000)

was married. Oh, Jesus.

Jordan (00:11:56.000)

Man, all right, buddy. You know, that's when you go back in those relationships. And you have those talks about what were your exes? Like? Not many people can say that my ex was the work guy for LBJ. That said to claim to fame,

Dan (00:12:09.000)

and I would assume that person's probably dead by now. So Alex didn't name names. Yeah, absolutely. Frank. Absolutely. Well, because this is bullshit, Howard. Anyway, we jumped to the 12th here and Alex has a big guest.

Alex Jones (00:12:23.000)

Coming up in the next segment, criminal investigation should be launched around the world about the poisoned shots. Now the FDA has released the documents, admitting it's causing mass heart attacks and cardiovascular crises. Here's a promo Joe Rogan sent me yesterday. It's a little satire page but it's very very that sick when you realize how real this is. Are you suffering from a medical coincidence?

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Dan (00:12:50.000)

This is damning from an information and comedy perspective for Rogen yeah Hokanson Alex this video boy not funny also based on bullshit is

Jordan (00:13:00.000)

this is this is that satire? Yeah,

Dan (00:13:03.000)

I think technically I think it's unsuccessful but it's an it's in the genre

Jordan (00:13:07.000)

fair fair. I'll give it that.

Dan (00:13:09.000)

Yeah. So yeah, MTG coming on. Great.

Jordan (00:13:13.000)

Great. Wait, so where's I'm confused now. As far as the party affiliation, the alignment go? Yeah, cuz after the Kevin McCarthy thing, shifting allegiance. Everybody's being an asshole all the time now. So who knows where everybody's standing.

Dan (00:13:29.000)

Right? So yeah, that that is something that has touched Infowars as there's some backlash among the audience. They do not like Marjorie Taylor Greene as much sure anymore because she did side with Kevin McCarthy horse. Alex has some interesting thoughts about that, which we'll get to. And I think that he's not considering where his bread is buttered. And what Marjorie margarine, butter bread. You almost call me daddy? No,

Jordan (00:13:57.000)

because you mixed up the word now. I'm screwing up. No,

Dan (00:14:01.000)

I was just doing word planning. Just doing simple word association. I know. So yeah, I think that Alex doesn't quite understand the posture that Marjorie has struck with this. Yes. And we'll get to that. Okay, but first, Alex comes out of the satire. Okay,

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Alex Jones (00:14:49.000)

And those coincidences are killing an extra 13% death rate compared to the years previous. The highest sorry, the planets average He

Jordan (00:15:01.000)

did coincidence really deaths go up.

Alex Jones (00:15:04.000)

Thank you for joining us on this live Thursday, January 12. Transmission. MTG has been scheduled twice this week but had to move it because all the voting going on. But they're set to let out Congress early.

Dan (00:15:18.000)

She's got a half day she's got a half day that just made me think of like being at school.

Jordan (00:15:25.000)

Gets out early parent teacher conferences day we get out early.

Dan (00:15:29.000)

Yeah. And those numbers Alex's throwing out are just made up share. So there's a lot of voting going on a whole lot of voting. Yeah. And there's one vote in particular that Alex wants to bring up as a damning indictment of the Democratic Party. Okay,

Alex Jones (00:15:43.000)

let me have another big piece of legislation. 210 Democrats vote against a bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after an abortion attempt, so infanticide, they're pushing to patient keen, legal, they've been doing it by Fiat. That's all coming up.

Dan (00:15:58.000)

This isn't news. It's already illegal under federal law to not provide emergency care in the super rare event that there's a live birth after an attempted abortion procedure. This bill in the House was just grandstanding for the conservative base and an attempt to come up with a headline exactly like the one Alex is covering, while also being an opportunity to attack access to reproductive health care. They did the same thing in 2019. And it went nowhere except to rile up the base and to demonize the Democrats who voted against this pointless bill meant to stir up conflict. Yeah, anyway, there's no way this bill will pass the Senate. So it's kind of a moot point outside of the play that it gets in far right medium. This specific bill was introduced by Representative and Wagner of Missouri who also introduced this same bill in January 2021 and march 2019. And I have to guess if she's reelected, it'll be the first thing she introduces in the next Congress. So it just happens all the time.

Jordan (00:16:49.000)

Yeah, I would say this bill if you're going to take this bill seriously, then you should also take my bill seriously the if the baby is born and we can demonstrably prove it's a demon at birth, you have to kill it Bill, who equally as likely to occur equally as tough

Dan (00:17:07.000)

to get them through the Senate as I imagined so but and yet they're the same. Weird. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, one of the best. I think Alex is like you, you were worrying about a little bit out of step. Well, she's

Alex Jones (00:17:20.000)

got one of the best voting records in Congress, she was joined by Gulzar and others that have similar awesome America first records in supporting McCarthy she got a lot of criticism, but Trump was supporting McCarthy as well. Here she doesn't tell us why she did it and what's on the agenda? I know what Roger Stone says he says what that small majority that 20 members of shell are patriots can now basically control the House and the entire agenda. But why would we then want McCarthy to be in that position? I guess we're gonna have to ash MTG that, but I love her. Like she's one of the best members of Congress.

Dan (00:17:57.000)

So yeah, the base is slipping away from MTG because why would they? Why wouldn't they they have other people who are willing to do the same inciting shit that they want her to do with the reason they like her? Yeah. And now she's doing stuff that is clearly meant to be in her best interest. Yeah. And so fuck her. She's out. And Alex is still trying to hold on. Right? And hey, maybe I'm being rash. She she should be afforded the opportunity to explain herself, right?

Jordan (00:18:28.000)

I mean, I know that no, no. Well,

Dan (00:18:32.000)

Alex disagrees with you. Okay, we're doing a show where we listen to his show. So fair enough.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (00:18:38.000)

Well, I can just make it real short and sweet. And let everyone know that the person you see right now is no different than the person you've known over the past two years. And the reason why I didn't oppose Kevin McCarthy's speakership because I knew there was no plan against him because no one else was truly running for speaker. And I was also already on board with the agenda that he had set forth, and that many of us I had worked with him on. The great thing that people don't know about Kevin McCarthy is he has listened to us for the past two years, and he's truly listening to the American people. He's working with President Trump all the time on the America first agenda. And so I was I'm already on board for that. And I have have truly hated Nancy Pelosi speakership and watch her past Biden's agenda. And for me, I just could not wait to have a Republican Speaker. I could not wait to have the gavel. And I was ready to go for investigations that need to be done and ready to go for real work to undo all the awful things that Joe Biden has been able to accomplish with Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell helping her and the Senate.

Dan (00:19:54.000)

Well, that's what's Yeah, McConnell and Pelosi right. Now, what

Jordan (00:19:59.000)

are we doing? Hear FDG

Dan (00:20:00.000)

she's still trying to hold on to a little bit of that crazy.

Jordan (00:20:03.000)

Yeah, I mean, come on, you're gone. It's over.

Dan (00:20:05.000)

I hate to say this though, but she gets it.

Jordan (00:20:07.000)

No, no, she does. She totally that's, that's the problem. I mean, that's why everybody

Dan (00:20:13.000)

is she's she's showing that she's maybe a little bit smarter or craftier than people may be given her credit for and understandably I mean, she's said completely nonsensical things was in the queue and on Yeah, understandable to think like she doesn't have any instincts at all. But this is a good instinct. And she totally correct that. Like there was no plan for anything here until the opposing Kevin McCarthy there wasn't a plan for like, leveraging it to get actual things. It was nobody else who was a legitimate candidate. Yeah. And you know, push comes to shove What what are you going to end up doing? Nothing? Nothing. So she's she's right. She's wrong about a lot of other stuff in that in that sense that Matt gates what didn't have a plan, right, right. You being a dick? No,

Jordan (00:21:01.000)

the the general idea was throw a tantrum. See what happens. And then whenever it turns out, what happens is they'll capitulate and give you whatever you want. suddenly realize you didn't think that far ahead. You didn't think about the asking part of hostage negotiations

Dan (00:21:16.000)

hope to get some meaning.

Jordan (00:21:19.000)

That's what your your goal is to be a dick. And all of a sudden, you're like, wait, you want to give us power? That's that's all it took. Oh, shit.

Dan (00:21:26.000)

So Marjorie has another decent point here. You know, you have first of all the there was no plan, right? There wasn't another person who was going to be made speaker right? Obvious. And then she has a point that like the thing that they claimed they got, they didn't even get.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (00:21:42.000)

And then I just want everybody to understand here something very important. And I've got both of them in my hand. This is the rules package right here. This is the rules package that we had on January 1, the dates right here at the bottom. And this was before we ever took the first vote for speaker. And in the in this rules package, the only thing that God changed and here's the second package. This is on January 6, this was the final day that we that we voted for speaker after 15 ballots. The only thing changed in the rules package was the motion to vacate went from one member of Congress. I mean, I'm sorry, five members of Congress. It was five members than the original package on January 1, and it went to one member on the motion to vacate on January 6. So if anyone is confused, and thinks that a lot changed after the big fighting they saw on television, after 15 ballots, 20 Republicans opposing Kevin McCarthy and a lot of negotiating, nothing changed in the rules. Nothing changed in writing, but the motion to vacate from five members to one. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:23:00.000)

Just to be clear, I like seeing 20 members flex their muscle I liked that the demonstration of power kind of like similar Mnuchin has been able to do a lot of good things. He's certainly not perfect, but you know what block a lot of really bad things because they have a very slim majority, the Democrats in the Senate, you guys can own something similarly.

Dan (00:23:18.000)

So Roger explained to Alex recently that there's a dynamic where a small group of people in the house can be assholes and clog up the gears essentially holding the legislative process hostage. And Alex has been really excited to bring it up a bunch of it's great. It's great. He's kind of like a schoolboy, proud to have learned a new word. Also, he thinks Joe Manchin has named Minuchin. He calls him that constantly. This is not just a slip of the tongue thing.

Jordan (00:23:39.000)

Treasury Secretary Senator minutiae. Yes, exactly. Well,

Dan (00:23:43.000)

movie producer. Yes, yeah, Alex is making an interesting pitch to MTG here, but the reality is that she's very publicly sided against that small group that Alex wants to flex their power. I wouldn't be too surprised to see her occasionally find common cause with them. But in terms of the big picture, she made her position entirely clear, and that was that she sides with the part of the party that can actually get something done, as opposed to the side that's all about stalling and obfuscation. I'm loathe to call MTG smart, but there's a common that's being displayed here. We talked in the past about how she served an incredibly useful role for the GOP in the context of a Democratic controlled House. Even if she was attacking Republicans. She was able to cause huge scenes and getting to embarrassing fights with other members of Congress, and it all worked to delay any possibility of Democrats getting anything done. However, that role is not useful once the GOP is in charge of the house and all of the stalling and grandstanding is being directed at them. Marjorie knew exactly when to change strategies and I think she made the right call for herself. The extreme right wing community she was getting in bed with was always going to turn on her eventually. You don't stay on people like Nick Fuentes is good side for very long and for people like that. If you're are not as extreme as the most extreme people in the movement, you're an option to be branded as a sellout if they need it. Yeah, you can, you're expendable. If you're dealing with people like Matt gates and Lauren bowburn It's probably really smart to exit that game of brinksmanship and make a very public statement. In the speaker vote. That's almost certainly the best time that she could have done that. Now, unfortunately, this does come with some downsides. She's going to lose the knotty folks who were her primary base up till this point. The good news there is that her district is so strongly Republican that as long as she wins her primary, she's essentially guaranteed reelection. By buddying up with McCarthy in the GOP establishment Marjorie has made it much less likely that she's going to end up running in a primary against a challenger who has support from the Republican establishment and the party and the fundraising and all that so she's probably kind of a big deal for her. Other folks are going to be in a bind here though people like Alex MTG is somebody that he's supported heavily because she has been willing to come on the show. He wants that access to power and proximity to it but the more he pursues connection with heard the more out of step with the audience he is going to become the extreme right thinks that he's a sellout and a shill which isn't great for the tip of the spear. The real interest in having her on and associated with the show lies in her popularity with the far right and as that erodes, it becomes less beneficial to have her on. Anyway, well played MTG probably the best thing she could have done for her political career. It's an interesting position for Alex to be put in though to see how long he sticks around here

Jordan (00:26:35.000)

it seems so crazy to me because it's such a perfect like if you wanted to this would be the way that you dealt with the system is MTG is a perfect little like snapshot of her even now coming out being like, Hey guys, all that grandstanding they did amounted to nothing, which might as well be her texting herself from five years ago being like, all you're doing is pointless. It's a waste of everybody's fucking time. But then because she got enough of that power in there. Now she's got the support of the party system behind her regulatory capture man, now she's part of the very system because the system is the thing that protects her. That's what she wants to be part of not part of the crazies anymore. So the whole point of this is that they are exploiting the crazies to get to the place where they're safe and they don't have to listen to the crazies anymore. Alex should just put that on the fucking board.

Dan (00:27:23.000)

I don't know I don't know how I could say it any any different. But I Yeah. It's it's I don't know if she understands it exactly like this right. But like her primary brand is not useful in the GOP now. Yeah, it's good. It's useful before now it's a liability.

Jordan (00:27:46.000)

Yeah, it's just strategic. Yeah, you know, it's like playing chess. Pawn cannot do the same thing a bishop can

Dan (00:27:53.000)

It's remarkable that the you could just do that you could just change up your brand

Jordan (00:27:58.000)

you can just do it. That's what America allows you to do. Someone like her

Dan (00:28:01.000)

who goes to like America first conferences, you know speaks to these people and like that person could just be like, Oh, hey, I'm friends with McCarthy. Hey,

Jordan (00:28:12.000)

now the now the party machine loves me. I've always been a party person. I'm a big Republican. It doesn't matter what I said yesterday because they know I'm a liar. I know they're liars. We're all lying together it's strange

Dan (00:28:23.000)

that they would just go along with it because I think that there is a basic distrust or that you should have a healthy distrust around someone like this Yeah,

Jordan (00:28:34.000)

but that's why they have to make you know I mean, it is it is like it's insane that you can do that but on the other hand, you do have to remind yourself they are believed they're fighting the literal devil you know, like sure MTG can switch teams are for how crazy believes that all of them fucking do. All of them think that Democrats are literally evil. Oh, get

Dan (00:28:55.000)

to that. And this next

Alex Jones (00:28:58.000)

point I have the Fox News article 210 Democrats vote against bill requiring medical care for babies born alive after abortion attempt. That is just unbelievable.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (00:29:07.000)

Yeah, this just shows you how cold heartless and evil Democrats are that they would literally vote against medical care for a baby that survived an abortion. A horrific attempted murder on on this on the flight and the baby is still born alive. Democrats are voting to Margaret.

Dan (00:29:29.000)

Your murder.

Jordan (00:29:30.000)

I wouldn't you know what fuck it I want I will write the bill. It's called the don't get away law. Okay. Oh, baby is aborted and accidentally gets born alive. Guess what? You gotta kill it. You gotta kill it. Because then it'll look bad for the abortion provider.

Dan (00:29:45.000)

Well, what I'm really thinking about here so you're into small business,

Jordan (00:29:49.000)

small businesses. I don't want them to get the bad rap for always given birth to their abortion.

Dan (00:29:53.000)

I can't side with you on this. Yeah, I mean, obviously I think You're right. And as much as they like, demonize the opponent, still, there's still a great deal of that. But this this friction, inner party is not going to sustain, it's not going to be sustainable. And obviously, who ends up having the most power is people who are able to negotiate and able to compromise, because there is a certain amount of the Democratic people in Congress that could be swayed. Oh, sure. Yeah. So these these folks, the 20, whatever, people in the house, who are these Oh, afraid, and no one, but a block everything. Realistically, if the GOP just has sensible middle of the road kind of stuff they want to get done. Number of Democrats will come over.

Jordan (00:30:49.000)

Yeah. But on the other hand, they don't. True. So that's, that's part of the problem, right? Like, because I mean, this whole speaker thing. Like, here's what they could have done, they could have squeezed the far right, they could have squeezed him and been like, Hey, you guys want to be dicks? Guess what? We can get 10 Democrats, if we change these rules, we'll just get 10 Democrats, speaker, Kevin will be there, we'll have these rules. And you guys can go fuck yourself. But I think that

Dan (00:31:16.000)

they can't do that. There's also a more strategic value probably for the Democrats to not go along with that, and allow the party to be shown to behave this serious fracture. And

Jordan (00:31:28.000)

so then you squeeze them and what winds up happening is we have 15 votes, and only one thing got changed in the rules package that meant nothing.

Dan (00:31:35.000)

So anyway, got culture wars.

Alex Jones (00:31:38.000)

Now they're set foxes is reporting to try to ban all gas heaters and stoves, this those are incredibly clean sources of heat and energy, defending our food. What are you gonna do about that?

Marjorie Taylor Greene (00:31:50.000)

I think it's appalling. And we have to stop it. I want you to know the boat that I just had an hour ago, Republicans voted to stop any of our oil and our strategic petroleum reserves to be sold to China. That was something that we just got done today. But this attack on the gas industry is appalling. And it's America last

Dan (00:32:11.000)

America last Oh my god. This was a fake fight that was being waged in the culture wars last week over the idea that Biden was going to ban gas stoves. In reality. A member of the Consumer Product Safety Commission just suggested looking into new regulations about gas stoves, after a meta analysis of studies concluded that gas stoves were associated with about 12% of youth asthma cases in the United States. How direct is that association? It's unclear but there are researchers who have drawn conclusions that are troubling. electric stoves are more safe from a few standpoints, and the major player in the push to fight against these regulations against gas is naturally the fossil fuel industry. Obviously, these fossil fuel companies have lobbied hard against regulations, even though studies have been coming out for at least the past 30 years demonstrating health risks associated with gas stoves. But in addition to that political action, they've also engaged PR firms to pose as normal people to create culture war agitation, inciting them toward being defensive about their gas stove

Jordan (00:33:12.000)

fossil fuel industry.

Dan (00:33:14.000)

What's in a June 2021 article in Mother Jones Rebecca Lieber brings up a story of an account manager for a PR firm posing as a normal person on next door, who is riling up people against ominous fears of a common gas ban like God, they have paid influencers on social media to boost gas stoves over electric ones. And now, people like Alex MTG and the rest of the Dum Dum folks in the far right media are doing all that work for free. Ultimately, the lesson here is that if you want a way to get a ton of free marketing for something, turn it into a stupid culture war issue. If your product can be sold as owning the libs, people will buy it just a virtue signal. It'll be amazing. Just so much free press.

Jordan (00:33:54.000)

It should be disqualifying for any anybody because I read I read about the the gas stove thing. Somebody had an explainer for what was going on while I wasn't paying attention. Apparently everyone was fighting over pretend again. Yeah, again.

Dan (00:34:10.000)

Yeah, it just I mean, it's just sort of the normal it's just what what we do now should

Jordan (00:34:14.000)

be stopped. It's I mean, like a politician that should be disqualified if you if you're like, oh, it's time to rally around, guess fuck off. Get the fuck out of here. I don't care. I don't care what even if you're right, even if you're right, you're overreacting to gas stoves. We've got bigger shit going

Dan (00:34:32.000)

on. Maybe we don't Yes, we do. It's a war on energy. So Alex says something in the next clip that got me a little excited.

Alex Jones (00:34:42.000)

At two central I'm gonna be on Piers Morgan a show that's top show in the UK. It's also broadcast here in the US and it's online really does big interviews. I get about 10 million views on YouTube. I really look forward to that. I haven't debated Piers Morgan since 2013. About 10 years ago, and that was the biggest event that year in ratings wise on CNN. This will be an hour long debate. I'm gonna be friendly and nice if he lets me talk, but if he tries to run over me, well, you know what happens?

Dan (00:35:15.000)

We sure do.

Jordan (00:35:16.000)

Wait, let me ask you a question. Has this already taken place? Yeah. And guess what?

Dan (00:35:19.000)

How long did it last? As soon as I heard that clip, I said fuck it. That's what we're talking about today. We're gonna cover the Piers Morgan interview.

Jordan (00:35:28.000)

Well done. Yeah. Nice. Nice turn.

Dan (00:35:31.000)

I don't I know it didn't last an hour. Okay. It might have the total is May I think his show is an hour and the interviewed Alex for like, I think 36 minutes is the total of the the runtime that I got. That was what also maybe it's an hour with commercials. Because there are a few commercial breaks I'm not entirely sure but hey, guess what? Doesn't go great.

Jordan (00:35:57.000)

Doesn't go great. That's not who's who.

Dan (00:36:01.000)

So we covered the initial Piers Morgan interview back in 2013 interview right and of course the fallout where Alex showed up at a Piers Morgan remote at a gun shop and begged him to come back on the show.

Jordan (00:36:12.000)

Please We made such good content to get off I was fun so many people watch

Dan (00:36:18.000)

I get so many more viewers because I yelled at you about going back to the UK come on now and then Alex started a change.org petition to get Piers Morgan

Jordan (00:36:30.000)

deported deported that's straight up deported

Dan (00:36:33.000)

you that's a little bit more extreme than canceled culture

Jordan (00:36:35.000)

a little bit to that there is a little bit to that

Dan (00:36:39.000)

so yeah, I guess for whatever reason piers decided hey on the 10th anniversary or so that let's do it again.

Jordan (00:36:46.000)

Whatever casting producer had that idea needs to get fired immediately. What are you doing

Dan (00:36:52.000)

but also tough to resist? I mean, like this his show is fairly boring for the most part true and where my curiosity latches on to is where my heart is drawn, of course and to see the rematch between Piers Morgan and Alex Jones it's such different points of Alex's and peers his

Jordan (00:37:11.000)

career it's it is interesting to see how both of them are pieces of shit that everyone dislikes and yet are still around. Well,

Dan (00:37:20.000)

I mean What channel is piers even? Exactly though

Jordan (00:37:23.000)

well what Alex is on Infowars like how is it that we can't get rid of these guys? Society?

Dan (00:37:30.000)

I don't know. There's there's just I think there's a momentum

Jordan (00:37:36.000)

it's just at a certain point yeah snowball rolling down the hill you're

Dan (00:37:39.000)

they're just gonna see what happened already. And when Alex I think he would have bowed out of public life if he had a tiny bit of shame sure sure that that element works pretty strongly for him and maybe the same for Pete Yeah,

Jordan (00:37:50.000)

I was gonna say it helps piers crowd great deal to not have any shame to probably Yeah, so anyway, we gotta get some of that No, haven't shame thing. No, I,

Dan (00:37:59.000)

I enjoy some of the borders and boundaries that shame provides. So in this first clip here, from peers interview, he introduces the conversation.

Piers Morgan (00:38:11.000)

Free speech has its limits. Even in America with its feeble First Amendment. There are limits. You can't famously run into a theater in America and shout fire and create a stampede, but people might die. So there are limits to free speech all around the world. But my guest tonight, well, he tests free speech to I would argue its breaking point. His name is Alex Jones is a hugely influential to many people, a very dangerous conspiracy theorist, has made himself hugely rich, peddling a lot of lies. This is what happened when we met last debating gun laws a decade ago on CNN. How many gun murders were there in Britain, how

Alex Jones (00:38:51.000)

many great white sharks? How many killed people every year, but they're scared to swim, and I'm here to tell you 1776 will commence again. If you try to take our firearms. You've got hordes of people burning down cities and beating old women's brains out every day.

Piers Morgan (00:39:05.000)

Let's try again. How many gun murders were there? Oh, get

Alex Jones (00:39:08.000)

a ban your festival in Britain last year? How many chimpanzees can dance on the head of a pin?

Piers Morgan (00:39:14.000)

For a while they've spoken to Alex Jones in an interview format. Since that day. I would say comfortably the world's most notorious conspiracy theorist. As I say I defend everybody's right to an honestly held opinion. I defend everyone's right to use words of that choice. That doesn't mean they're not accountable for those words. And I don't think Alex Jones necessarily trades in honestly held opinions.

Dan (00:39:39.000)

Now there is one of the only reasons that I think that this is a worthwhile interview to do. And that is that piers is willing to say to Alex, I don't even think you believe this shit, right? I don't think

Jordan (00:39:51.000)

you like that's where we've come in 10 years. Yeah,

Dan (00:39:55.000)

there is there is a definite sense of like, what's the point of having This interview what what is going to be gained from this interesting and I do think that there are very few people who are willing to be that confrontational like with with Alex, I think you're inauthentic. And I think that this, I don't think you mean any of it.

Jordan (00:40:14.000)

I don't think you even believe what you're saying. Right? Yeah.

Dan (00:40:16.000)

And so, you know, for whatever reason, Piers is situated in a place where he can say that to Alex and Alex will show up. Yeah. And that is kind of a rare circumstance. Rogan won't say it to him. Yeah. He won't show up for some actually confrontational interview with someone who would, you know, hold his feet to the fire. Right, right. And so this is maybe the best you can get

Jordan (00:40:40.000)

and Piers is in the place where this is something that he needs to do on account of like Alex being a gigantic universal piece of shit gives him free access to points to make himself look like he's not a bigger piece of shit. You know, perhaps he's that's why he's having Alex on there. But he's

Dan (00:40:56.000)

also he's been a key head. Yay, on. I think he's

Jordan (00:41:02.000)

collecting giant pieces of shit to make them look a little bit better next year.

Dan (00:41:05.000)

Yeah. So I hate to say this, but I gotta defend Alex a little on this next clip. Okay.

Piers Morgan (00:41:13.000)

Very few tragedies have ever moved me the way the Sandy Hook did. I was on error CNN. At the time that that story broke 20 children aged between six and seven, were murdered by a lunatic with a semi automatic rifle. Alex Jones told his many followers within a few hours, it was all a hoax, a government hoax Deep State plot to justify seizing guns. He said that the grieving families were actors.

Alex Jones (00:41:37.000)

The general public doesn't know the school was actually closed the year before. They don't know they've shielded all demolish the building. They don't know that. They had the kids going in circles in and out of the building as a photo op.

Dan (00:41:49.000)

This is a little bit disingenuous. And if I were peers, I wouldn't have done things this way. Everything he's saying is true. And the clip of Alex is a fair representation of things Alex said. But because of the way it's presented, Alex stands to be able to say it's taken out of context. Peers are saying that Alex said the event was fake within hours then plays that clip, which is from years later, which does kind of give a slightly incorrect perception. If people aren't familiar with the story, it could lend to the image that Alex was promoting these far more elaborate conspiracies on the day of the shooting, which isn't the case. Yeah. All in all, nothing incorrect as being said, but I'd be more careful with this presentation when dealing with someone like Alex, you don't want to give him the opportunity to make valid complaints.

Jordan (00:42:30.000)

Yeah. And also he did question it on the day. Yeah. So take a clip from that. You don't need to judge it up. Yeah. No,

Dan (00:42:38.000)

I think you want to come in with the big, sharper overt things that Alex said, yeah, I

Jordan (00:42:44.000)

get that. But here's, I feel like if you're on TV, just show like on the day of Sandy Hook, you know, like have one of those big Chiron saying, on this day Alex says this. Yeah. And

Dan (00:42:55.000)

if you need if you need to do this with the kind of better clips where you could do is say he requests, you know, he said it within hours, and here's plane fares later still do play a little bit of the day of and then it went on and escalate Exactly. Blank. Yeah, would it be a more kind of accurate way to present it, but you know, I'm just I'm just considering that for the, you know, potential people who are watching who aren't super familiar with all this,

Jordan (00:43:20.000)

I think where we are in, in the world of media is if you say, a date, and then play a clip, that clip needs to be from or about that date. And if it is not, then you are providing and it's a small thing,

Dan (00:43:36.000)

you know, you just don't want to open options. It's just it's

Jordan (00:43:39.000)

almost like a visual grammar. You know, you're it's like you're using your pronouns wrong. If you're if you're refusing or using dates wrong on clips, you know,

Dan (00:43:48.000)

it's Yeah, it is the visual grammar is a good way to put it, I think, because because there's an optics to it. That is just how people will understand the sector. Yes, yeah. So piers does not like what Alex does. But Voltaire or something or other.

Piers Morgan (00:44:05.000)

I have made my views clear about that. But I also think that it's right that I should interview him tonight. Why wanted to come up and talk to me, and to explain what's gone down here and where he's found himself, which is facing a $1.5 billion payout to the families never get tired to hear in their suits that they took. And I do believe that people should be allowed to express themselves so long as they're held to account and they're challenged on that and that's what we're gonna do tonight with Alex Jones. So my guest tonight is Alex Jones. He's over in Texas in America Alex Good evening to

Alex Jones (00:44:42.000)

piers it's good to be here with you after 10 years and the biggest news event on CNN and oh my god so the circle is now complete just

Jordan (00:44:50.000)

wow right out the gate. piece it so oh my god, Alex. Already already mad. kiss the ring. Hi. Say hi are nothing without

Dan (00:45:04.000)

God. Pretty, pretty pretty. It's a little aggressive. It's passive aggressive. But you know, I think that there is an unanswerable question about that. Like, what? Like, yeah, why are you having him on? And I think you can get a sense that maybe Alex asked. Yeah, cuz he said he wanted to come on. Yeah, I think Alex reached out it's like, hey, good. Yay on. Totally. You talk to me?

Jordan (00:45:36.000)

No, I agree. I think that's and I think that's why Alex is on there. Because there's I mean, Pierce Pierce is not reaching out to to Alex, why would he? He had yeh on? Right. So if he wanted to talk about that, then he got he got what he wanted out of it, you know, well, but the

Dan (00:45:52.000)

$1.5 billion judgment is maybe the timely thing that peers would want to talk about true. But yeah, it's it strikes me as a possibility that Alex reached out. I so maybe not worth it. And I mean, I believe

Jordan (00:46:07.000)

that because it is something where it's like, oh, well, they have yay, on so I'm, I'm in the ballpark. Yeah, you know, I could go I won't be precluded. Exactly. I wouldn't be if I sent an email saying, Can I come on the show? They wouldn't be like, Haha, you suck, you know, possible? Yes.

Dan (00:46:23.000)

So, you know, the Sandy Hook is obviously a big topic of conversation course. And so Alex, you'll see him throw out pretty much all of his he's not the Sandy Hook. Man. He's a lot of normal talking points. But you just

Alex Jones (00:46:36.000)

spent eight minutes saying a lot of things that were true, a lot of things that weren't true. So I'd like to address that right now if I can. When I came on your show months and months after Sandy Hook. In the CNN Studios in New York, I never said it didn't happen. I never said it older houses. When the internet went totally viral in the next year questioning it with anomalies. I did cover 23 minutes with introduced in court over the next few years, a few times we're talking five, six shows what the internet was questioning on my call in radio show with a document cam on air. But I did not build my career or Sandy Hook. I barely not even 1/10 of 1% covered it. And so to say that I sent people to harass families or No, I didn't say that on the grave. I didn't say that.

Piers Morgan (00:47:27.000)

I didn't say you sent anyone to do. What I have Alex, I wonder what happened. That made me just say I want to have a reasonable conversation. I don't get into the screaming match that descended into last. And I think that's futile. Everyone watching,

Dan (00:47:39.000)

I got bad news. But

Jordan (00:47:40.000)

I'm like, What are you doing here? You You know exactly what's going on? Here? How dare you sir, every single

Dan (00:47:47.000)

person who's listening to our podcast knows that this is gonna deteriorate into a stream.

Jordan (00:47:53.000)

And you and you know it too? Yeah. And you know, you know it, not least of which because you know that that's a button you can press whenever you want, you can say something enough to make him go crazy. And then you can say this interview is over

Dan (00:48:05.000)

people who don't know who Alex is people who don't know who piers is, they know this is gonna deteriorate. Yet, but it is it is kind of notable that Alex is kind of a robot, you know, like there is something to be said there. He's just, it's rote. He's just saying these things that he always says that aren't true. These bullshit talking points about how he's not so bad. And peers is just like, I didn't say that stuff. Let's try and actually have a back and forth. And Alex, like a little titty, baby. Oh, yeah, just being like, you talk for eight minutes. This is going to be a thing that pops up a bunch. And it's one of the markers I think of people who suck. And that is the like, you're not giving me my time

Unknown Speaker (00:48:50.000)

to finish. Can I finish?

Dan (00:48:52.000)

Well, let me talk. Especially for someone like Alex who steamrolls people constantly Yeah, for him to be like you won't let me talk is a little bit soft.

Jordan (00:49:02.000)

Yeah. Whenever Whenever you're in a conversation with a you won't let me talk person generally speaking, that's after you've let them talk for a long time. And you were about to say something in response. Yeah. And then they're like, You won't let me talk and you're like, alright, I see where this is going. You

Dan (00:49:16.000)

won't let me talk as often. This isn't going right. Yes. Yeah. So peers gets a question out. And I don't think this is a question I was gonna answer.

Piers Morgan (00:49:28.000)

You find yourself in a very bad place right now you're facing paying out potentially $1.5 billion. You asked these fans, as you said that you don't have that money. You can't pay that money. So far, you haven't paid any of the money. How do you feel first of all about the fact that you face this gigantic? Well, victory for the families and defeat for you?

Alex Jones (00:49:52.000)

Okay, so you did eight minutes and 4530 seconds something footstrike I came on your show, months and months and months and months after the serotonin reuptake inhibitors, the antidepressants, I blamed them on your show. So the claim that I first question Sandy Hook, or I first said it was a bunch of professors and a bunch of media people became a huge story. I looked at it and said, yeah, we've seen WMDs in Iraq was in Operation Northwoods. We see Justin Smollett. Later, we saw that what are finally 1000s of fake doctors online, saying the shot was safe and effective and protected you something you've come out and said was wrong, and was a lie. So I always questioned every major event, but I did not make my bones on Sandy Hook. I barely covered it on your show, months and months and months after it happened.

Piers Morgan (00:50:48.000)

Here's what I say to cover it last

Alex Jones (00:50:50.000)

long after

Piers Morgan (00:50:52.000)

this. You may well categorize this as a very small, small part of your career. Unfortunately for you, it's now become this gigantic part of your career because of the nature of this payout. So my nachos like to ask you, what did you feel about the size of the payout you've been ordered to pay? Feels good.

Dan (00:51:11.000)

I feel great.

Jordan (00:51:12.000)

Let me let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen $1.5 billion stacked on top of itself in pennies?

Dan (00:51:20.000)

Its goes to

Jordan (00:51:21.000)

the moon? Yeah. I don't feel great about that. Don't feel great. I would rather go to the moon.

Dan (00:51:27.000)

I'd rather be in exile. Yeah. So yeah, I don't think this question is gonna get answered either. Doubtful. There is this this through line that Alex keep keeps coming to? That is, like I said on your show that I didn't say it was fake there. And that's not really a defense. Nope, nope. Because no, that's not the accusation anyone's make. Now. So yeah. How do you feel about that? The payoff?

Jordan (00:51:52.000)

Your Honor, I didn't kill them in the waterpark. So I didn't get oh, no, you're, uh, well, I did kill them there. Yeah. Okay, good point. You're nicely where we're having a problem.

Dan (00:52:01.000)

We're only like minutes into this. And you can already tell Alex is starting to get pissed. I was

Jordan (00:52:06.000)

gonna say I feel like peers at any point in time could just be like, Oh, I get why we didn't do this in 10 years. What are we doing? What are we doing here? Let's just stop.

Dan (00:52:13.000)

I think that is, without spoiling anything, the thing he says.

Dan (00:52:23.000)

Anyway, Alex is a little pest.

Piers Morgan (00:52:24.000)

What did you feel about the size of the payout you've been ordered to pay? And the fact that you suffered one of the biggest losses of any lawsuit of that nature in modern history?

Alex Jones (00:52:36.000)

Well, I mean, it's not one of the biggest, it's the biggest. And so if you got that one, right baseball, and know what actually went on, I'm really happy to tell you

Piers Morgan (00:52:45.000)

what I'm doing, sitting how you always did, Alex, and how you built this empire, I'm gonna come to how you built it in a moment. You built this empire, as a very provocative, many would argue they found you very entertaining as well, high energy, you know, mischief making shock jock for want of a better phrase, who went on the airwaves and said a lot of very controversial things, and built up a very big following, and made a vast amount of money doing it. I mean, you wouldn't dispute any of that. But that's not attacking you. That's just a statement of fact.

Alex Jones (00:53:18.000)

But I'm happy to come on, but you've had 90% of the talk.

Piers Morgan (00:53:24.000)

I just want you to answer. I don't want to have a confrontational interview. Yeah. Bad news,

Jordan (00:53:32.000)

you hear? If you're asking how do you feel about losing and someone says, Not? Hold on? You've talked already for so much. This is gonna be confrontation correct.

Jordan (00:53:44.000)

The record is gonna be confrontational. Yeah. I asked you how you feel.

Dan (00:53:50.000)

Alex, maybe not in touch with his feelings.

Jordan (00:53:52.000)

How's your day go today? Now listen, I've let you talk for five minutes already.

Dan (00:53:57.000)

Piers do all your best ratings ever, because I can give them to you. But

Jordan (00:54:01.000)

it's gonna be it's gonna require a shouting match. It's gonna be a fight.

Dan (00:54:05.000)

So Alex explains his path with Sandy Hook because that's what he really wants peers to understand right now. Nothing he says is true. I

Jordan (00:54:13.000)

was gonna say there's no way he tells any truth at all. I think almost

Dan (00:54:17.000)

everything except for like him saying that Austin is a liberal area, outside of stuff like that. I don't think anything he says in this clip is true. That sounds right.

Piers Morgan (00:54:27.000)

As I say, you built this big empire. And now the entire empire has been imperiled by losing this lawsuit and you wouldn't dispute

Alex Jones (00:54:35.000)

No, no. I had more than 15 offers right now and huge networks. If my system goes under no way, let me just explain something to you. And let's talk facts. Okay. Here's a timeline of 10 and a half years since or 10 years, two months in Sandy Hook. It happens the first year I don't think it's staged. It becomes a huge internet thing that it staged. I have a few debates of a few guests on I cover I said yeah could be so Ah, so much stuff unstaged then I go two plus years 2015 into 16 Never discussing how this all came out the lawsuit. And then they run against Trump. Hillary runs $30 million of of TV ads showing edited clips of me saying synthetic event never happened. And then Trump still wins. And we now learned after the lawsuits, they hired a high powered New York Think Tank, PR firm, to then make it a huge story. 10s of 1000s of articles 1000s of newscast about me in 2016 17 about Sandy Hook. I go, Whoa, those anomalies are was professors and people were wrong. I think it happened. Nobody should me. No one Joe Rogan apologized, do a whole apology to her. Because I wasn't sophisticated back then I'm like, Yeah, I think it happened. I barely covered it. Then they sue me. Once I apologize. They have a judge in Texas, in Austin is in Liberal San Francisco and in Connecticut, sue me, then I give them all my text all my documents which they show in court. I gave them no documents. They default me first time in modern US history. I'm found guilty by judges and juries then have hearings on how guilty I am. Then they have a false financial expert get up and say I'm worth $400 million. At the time. They did that six months ago in that hearing in Texas. And that kangaroo operation, I had like $3 million in the bank

Piers Morgan (00:56:28.000)

when you say okay, let me know. All right, let me see. Hold on. You can't just keep talking. Let me just explain to you why he

Alex Jones (00:56:35.000)

can Oh, God forbid I get a third of the time you get

Piers Morgan (00:56:41.000)

90% of the time on your show if you don't want

Alex Jones (00:56:44.000)

to have a discussion.

Dan (00:56:47.000)

What a baby. That is just awful. But like, that's all not true.

Jordan (00:56:51.000)

That's fantastical fiction, if I've ever heard it. Yeah. So

Dan (00:56:55.000)

basically, what you have there is that Alex is constructed this false version of what happened in his life because the truth looks really bad. When he's in a confrontational interview setting like this one as inaccurate as it is to say that Piers Morgan is confrontational. Alex pulls out this storyline. You notice though, that when he's sitting down with a sympathetic ear, like Glenn Greenwald, Alex will joke around about how he was drunk on air saying this stuff. He wouldn't try that here because piers wouldn't take that as a sign that Alex is cool. Yeah, like Glenn does,

Jordan (00:57:26.000)

it would be really sad and fucking crazy. Yeah,

Dan (00:57:30.000)

it'd be like, do you recognize how big of a problem it is that you would do something like this? Because you were drunk on it?

Jordan (00:57:39.000)

Do you know that number of things that should be realized before we get to this point? It's crazy,

Dan (00:57:44.000)

right? He doesn't need to throw out this elaborate fake story with folks who are like, hey, you know what, Glenn Greenwald. You're cool.

Jordan (00:57:53.000)

What I find fascinating about this version of events that he's telling this story version is that it is a it's almost like his version of like, you know, oh, the mainstream media is full of shit and they're all stupid. But everything is true. If the mainstream if it's in the mainstream media, I'll use it to prove how right I am. This is almost like the story of what a real person would do. If they had if they had found themselves in this type of situation. Yeah, a human being might have gone through a very similar series of sounding events,

Dan (00:58:26.000)

because Alex needs to portray himself as a human being right? Yeah, I'm an everyman. Look, I made a mistake. And I tried to write the wrong and then as soon as I apologize for the machine.

Jordan (00:58:38.000)

I was in over my head. I was I wasn't naive back then. I went on an apology tour we've all seen.

Dan (00:58:45.000)

I need to correct that. He didn't apologize. To Rogan's face and then Rogan came back on the next episode and said I looked into some of the stuff Alex said and it's not true. It's not true. Yeah, his Alex lied about his own past. Yeah, that's bullshit. apology tour my ass. Anyway, in his next clip, Piers plays a clip of one of the Sandy Hook family members. Yeah. And Mike down for this because Alex's response to this is unbelievable. Okay, this is callous.

Piers Morgan (00:59:21.000)

Let's have a normal debate. I want to play you a clip. This is a clip of one of the parents from Sandy Hook because you've talked about this at length. Now. Nicole Hockley, and I want to talk after this clip, I want you to just listen to what she had to say to me recently on the show.

Nicole Hockley (00:59:39.000)

He did his first broadcast, saying that he thought this was a false flag. When I was still in the firehouse, and I didn't even know if my child was alive or dead yet. He started off within two and a half hours of the shooting, and has kept putting out video after video for year after year after year, and calling us all crisis actors. calling our children, you know, either that they were never, they were never killed or they were never alive in the first place. That we're traders that were treasonous and that we're government shills, it's been very difficult. It's been easy to turn off some of it. But some of these people have been incredibly dangerous. And when he says when he when he Stokes this anger in his base, this fear, and then incites them to action by saying, you know, we need to investigate this, you need to look into this more, they come at us. So part of it's just social media comments, which can be damaging, it's defaming, it's hurting your reputation. People. I don't know if I'm walking around who thinks I'm real and who thinks I'm an actress. It's, it's damaging to my son's memory. In terms of his life, his short six year old life, it's damaging to my surviving son, because I don't know what he's going to deal with going forward. But it's also scared the living daylights out of me asleep with weapons by my bedside, I've received death threats. I've received harassing calls and mail. I've had people send me pictures of dead children because they say, as a crisis after you have no idea what a dead child looks like, so let me share send you this picture so you can see it. This is stuff that has really not only just been distressing, it's disturbing. And in terms of security, you know, I'm just a mom. I'm just trying to look after my surviving son, run my organization and make some good in the world. I didn't choose to be part of this, Alex Jones chose to tell lies, knowing that they were lies and continuing to harbor that lie and make it happen for his own profit.

Piers Morgan (01:01:39.000)

What's your reaction to that woman who lost her son Dylan as Sandy Hook?

Alex Jones (01:01:44.000)

total garbage never said her name. Only person's name I shed was Robbie Parker. 37 million views on YouTube. He was laughing everything suddenly started your

Piers Morgan (01:01:52.000)

response, your response to that woman's incredibly powerful show, you're gonna be five seconds count, because this isn't a pocket discussion because we'll garbage

Alex Jones (01:02:03.000)

This is, well, I guess I can't do this interview. People have to go to infowars.com later and I'll respond to you. You're not letting me talk. I never said her name. Under Connecticut, and Texas law. You can't sue somebody for defamation if you never said their name.

Dan (01:02:18.000)

First of all, not everyone assumed Alex for defamation. A number of plaintiffs were suing for intentional infliction of emotional distress, which doesn't require him saying their name. Yeah. But even beyond that, what a coward. Alex is confronted with this person's experience and how his actions have affected her life so negatively and continues to affect her child's life. All he can muster up is trying to bait peers into a fight and a week as meaningless legal technicality the thinks gets him off the hook. This is detestable stuff.

Jordan (01:02:46.000)

Garbage. Listen, I'm not arguing that anything that she said is true. I'm saying that because I didn't say your name. It's fine for me to do that to her. See, so I didn't say her name. So I can go on about ruining her life for money. I don't understand why everybody is vibing with me as if I went on an apology tour like this interview we're having right now. So apologetic I'm just a good guy. Just a regular guy.

Dan (01:03:15.000)

Here's why won't you let me talk?

Jordan (01:03:17.000)

I don't know why I'm not getting. It's almost like you think I'm gonna lie to you.

Dan (01:03:21.000)

So anyway, understandably, Alex wants to change the subject. Yeah, that would

Alex Jones (01:03:24.000)

sound right. I was on your show months and months after it happened and said it happened and said it was Prozac. I looked at both of the views. And they clipped that out to attach themselves to me on air. I never talked about that woman. I didn't even know who she was that

Piers Morgan (01:03:39.000)

it was. You said it was a hoax. You said it was phony years later on a bill. You said the entire thing is a giant hoax. I'd love the White House. The fake Bin Laden raid, people just knows a lot of fraud going on. You've got here's your

Alex Jones (01:03:53.000)

I'm gonna say to up here in a second. You sent me a list of topics me send me a list the top I gotta come on, come on. And one of them is Sandy Hook. I'm on for an hour. Let's talk about the de vos grip. Let's talk about it. And let's talk about the vaccines. We're gonna talk about other topics. That's their attack. They live off me. I didn't make money off. They don't $3 million from that live off Sandy Hook. I don't.

Piers Morgan (01:04:20.000)

Okay, here's what I would say to you. Maybe one of the reasons that they have a problem with you. And what you did, is that you were saying Are there things that you can do? Laughing hahaha. Then they walk over to the camera and go boo hoo hoo. And not just one but a bunch of parents doing this. And then photos of kids that are still alive. They say dead. I mean, they think we're so dumb. These were parents. I told you in the grip. Unbelievable trauma.

Alex Jones (01:04:47.000)

Yeah, listen. And Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton was asked by Lesley Stahl of 16 minutes that Clinton tripled sanctions on Iraq that killed 2 million people. 500,000 children, she said was a good thing to do she do it again. I didn't kill 500,000 children.

Dan (01:05:03.000)

If that's the standard, Alex wants to be judged by them. Hooray. He's less ethically condensable than someone who killed half a million people. Whoo, congratulations. You made it under that limbo bar. Yeah,

Jordan (01:05:14.000)

I mean, if that's how we're going to start our justice system all over again, with first we got to deal with everybody who's got over a half a million body count. It's going to be tough to get going.

Dan (01:05:27.000)

Sure. Well, Alex is being you know, he's being really combative with the you're not letting me talk. He's given his normal talking points of Miss representative. Well, no, no misrepresenting things that he did in terms of Sandy Hook, and those things aren't working. And so now you have this kind of a Dodge, I'm not as bad as Madeleine Albright. Yep. These are the kinds of things that if you're an interviewer, you just have to ignore. It's all distraction and the knee jerk shit that Alex throws out to try to pivot out of uncomfortable conversations. Anytime someone is asking about his culpability, he'll deny that he's to blame for anything. And then as things proceed, and he can't really claim that anymore, he'll say something like he was right about Jussie Smollett, or he's not as bad as Madeleine Albright. All of it is meaningless shit, that's just meant to distract from lines of questioning that he wants to avoid minutes very clear. That's the next stage of his sort of avoidance technique. Yeah.

Jordan (01:06:20.000)

And that's why listening to peers be like Alex, maybe here's what I'm in my head. Just what are you doing? Stop this? Yeah, I stop this.

Dan (01:06:30.000)

I have a certain thought about what he's trying to do. Yeah. And I think that there may be an interesting reason to try this. Okay. I'll just lay a lay it out a little bit. I think he's trying to treat Alex like a baby. Well, yeah, obviously, I think that there is a like, an attempt to not be super disrespectful. Right. But, like, treat him like the emotional maturity level that he gives off. Yeah, just to see if there is like even a baseline of Oh, standing.

Jordan (01:07:03.000)

Oh, do you? So you? Oh, well, I mean, yeah, that's a good point. He wouldn't know that by treating Alex like a six year old bully of the type that he is, you you wouldn't still be able to get through to him any sense of morality?

Dan (01:07:17.000)

Well, I think that there's a question of whether you could, I mean, I think this is a demonstration that you can't Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't assumed but I think that maybe prior to it, you know, Piers wouldn't know, is it? Is it possible to interact with him as a baby? Yeah.

Jordan (01:07:33.000)

I mean, is that a conversation they had where it's like, maybe maybe what we need to do is imagine we're in the principal's office in third grade. And we're just going to talk to him as though like, he's literally an alien who's never heard of morality before of like, here's how people might feel and you should think about how they feel before you act,

Dan (01:07:53.000)

trying to trying to see if there's even a latch there. Yeah. It's not know. And so you know, we've had these these stages, the misrepresentation of Alex's actions, then the distraction tactics. And here's the third stage of that game.

Piers Morgan (01:08:09.000)

I understand that. But I also understand that in me, the

Alex Jones (01:08:12.000)

Dion from the poison shot, let me just admitting it causes migraine. The problem is, yeah, deserve to die for questioning a mass shooting, then what happens to the big companies that sold these poison shots that weren't approved and weren't safe? And here's my question, what is my them while you're on I get I'm the worst guy in the world appears. Hold on, hold on. I'm the worst guy in the world. Right?

Piers Morgan (01:08:35.000)

I didn't say that. He didn't say that.

Dan (01:08:37.000)

No one is saying that he's the worst person in the world there should die for what he did. They just say that he should take responsibility for his actions. Anytime someone like Alex is being told that he needs to accept that his actions have consequences, some switch gets flipped, or all of a sudden they're on death row. It's ridiculous. It's a straw man tactic. But in the case of Alex, I suspect it's also an expression of his narcissism, it would probably be threatening to his ego to recognize that at the end of the day, the plaintiffs in this case and most of the rest of the world just want him to be an adult and take responsibility for his actions and then everyone will move on to the best of their ability. That's a symptom in terms of his involvement as a goal

Jordan (01:09:17.000)

goal is let's not deal with this anymore.

Dan (01:09:20.000)

Yeah, the only reason any of this has dragged on at all is because of Alex's theatrics, which he needs to do to it. He needs to engage in that so the situation better conforms to his feelings of persecution, accepting that he's not that important and no one is trying to crucify him makes this situation kind of boring where it's just a liar with a huge audience who talked a bunch of shit that hurt people and then those hurt people sued him it's not good for a narcissist to accept that is your story isn't special know what you did is why things are happening. Yep, grow up. That's that's threatening to his sense of self and so he has to over dramatize everything, which is the third phase. Yeah, this, oh, I should die because I questioned shooting.

Jordan (01:10:08.000)

And it's it indicates it is go it goes to everything that he is that like all of these stories are ultimately built around the idea that I am never a bad person. I am never wrong ever. I am never hurting people. And if I do hurt people, because it's not on purpose, I'm actually helping them if they would only think about it from the way that I see things. All of these things. None of it can ever come back to Alex Jones did wrong. It can never be that he's infallible. Exactly. And he just can't handle any kind of concept of that. Yep.

Dan (01:10:43.000)

And we move along here. And Alex lies about how he apologized for everything. Sure. He's very defensive.

Jordan (01:10:51.000)

Tell me more about this

Alex Jones (01:10:52.000)

apologized. On Joe Rogan before I was sued, I apologized on dozens of shows when they brought this up in 2016. QUESTION And here's my question. They went on the news and said I was currently sending people their houses. Where is the video of me saying go to their houses? Where's the video be pissing on their graves? It's not true. No raising money on my natrix.

Piers Morgan (01:11:14.000)

Let me let me respond. I want to just try and get inside your head for a moment and see whether you have ever fully comprehended. Nope. The scale of what happened. I've now families

Dan (01:11:26.000)

see, that's where I think he's treating him like you get the sense that he's kind of just trying to be like, Alright, let me even ask, see if you understand the reality that you're involved in.

Jordan (01:11:36.000)

Let's go slower and more granular. Let's get even real simple.

Dan (01:11:41.000)

We know from all of our engagement with this, that that is a fool's errand. Yeah, but for someone like beers, maybe he's thinking this might be a way to actually help make sense of things to know, or at very least, piss him off because you're infantilizing

Jordan (01:11:57.000)

borderline like, Okay, let me show you some flashcards. All right, can you see this? This face? Is it smiling? Or is it frowning? is one of those good? Or is one of those bad? We're talking about the de vos group? I knew you would

Dan (01:12:13.000)

want to like we talked. Yeah. So it's trying to gauge if Alex understands, right? This peers reads off some of the experiences that the families have had. Okay. And Alex seems to think they're lying. There's some responses that he gives that make me suspect, because it's the only conclusion that you can come to from saying that the victims are like, great. This is

Piers Morgan (01:12:44.000)

what happened to some of the families Okay. Erica Lafferty whose mother was killed has had to move five times since the shooting and avoids going to the grocery store because people tell her Hey, why don't you show me evidence? Let me just finish.

Alex Jones (01:12:59.000)

The request. judges found me guilty.

Piers Morgan (01:13:01.000)

I know let me just finish. She said he got scary and more graphic things will be mailed to her house that were threats of rape. But then Iraqi Jennifer Hansel and Jeremy Rickman, parents of six year old Aveo, who was killed set up a foundation for their daughter. Soon after email addresses attached to the foundation of Black Lives Matter let me finish with flooded with messages saying Abiel didn't exist. That Hensel and others were actors in questions why money was being raised from a fake shooting in 2019. Jeremy recommend Avios father killed himself. Friends called Hensel. His wife Jennifer to tell her people were at the cemetery where avea was buried looking for evidence that her husband had actually died. David Wheeler, the father, a six year old Ben Wheeler, who died at Sandy Hook, detail two instances in which people actually showed up at his home demanding to see Ben insisting he was alive. He said people also pointed to a student film he made in college is proof he was a crisis actor, Robin Elissa Park, and you did mention Robbie Parker, who I interviewed many times and felt a deep affinity with and you said he was laughing after his is poor. But she said that his wife said that the vicious comments at the memorial Facebook page honoring his daughter was so terrifying. She couldn't remember much of her daughter's funeral. Mark Bastien, the lawyer representatives said they were going

Alex Jones (01:14:27.000)

to kill you said one of your topics was Sandy Hook. Here's the deal. They noticed they showed no proof of that in court. The judge didn't let me defend myself. Okay, you don't you just want to sit here and talk about other topics. You want

Dan (01:14:41.000)

to move on? I bet. Yeah, make sense? Yeah. Goal is to try and see if Alex understands the scale of the experience Yeah, that these people have because of the actions of people inspired by a lot of theories that Alex was promoting and the people that were Given their only platform Auralex Yeah. And the answer's no. He thinks that maybe they're lying, and maybe Erica Lafferty didn't have to move. It didn't prove it in court. Yep. So that should give any indication that should be like a perfect illustration of the extent to which Alex understands the reality of other people's experiences and how he affects them. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit at all.

Jordan (01:15:26.000)

Yeah, this is this is that this goes back to that, like I apologized dozens of times kind of idea. And it's like, you can't apologize dozens of times. And then this, you can apologize once or you could apologize, doesn't say I'm sorry, dozens of times. Sure. You know what I mean? And that's kind of where I'm getting into this, this headspace of him, because he says I apologize dozens of times. But if you actually did one time, we wouldn't be having this

Dan (01:15:56.000)

is not a sincere apology if this interview and the things that you're saying here, exactly. Possibly come out of your mouth. It's not an apology. Yeah. So I agree with you there. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, do you understand Alex? No, no,

Piers Morgan (01:16:11.000)

my question is simply this. When you hear about the impact on these poor families, whose children eight, six were blown to pieces in a school, when you hear about the impact, do you have any real regret or remorse about fueling animals? Oh, my God and Hoechst unable

Alex Jones (01:16:30.000)

to talk at all.

Jordan (01:16:31.000)

He's already answered your question.

Alex Jones (01:16:33.000)

Lanza killed those children, not me. A Democratic Party PR firm looked at Trump looked at me in 2000. So wasn't my question right up Sandy. Wasn't like let's meet you again. I'm gonna say again, the media took what I said out of context, I did years later magnified it let me finish to make a political hit point on me and on Trump and they blew it all up and then said I was doing it they have no proof I was sitting by their houses I didn't I few times question on air I became super famous said it was a hoax. And they've raised hundreds of millions in in donations. 73 million from Remington now they're coming after the First Amendment. It's insane. And I told you I'd come on and briefly talk about Sandy Hook. You sent a whole list of topics. Now I want you to be true to your word and not a deceptive person peers.

Dan (01:17:22.000)

Yeah, don't be a liar, Piers. Wow, we got to move on piers.

Jordan (01:17:26.000)

That's That's so great. That's so great to just have Alex be Alex. And not and because the answer to that, because when piers is He's halfway through his question. And Alex says something you should have been like, you know what? You have answered my question. That's

Dan (01:17:40.000)

perfectly you nailed it not really. Answer. You answered it thoroughly. Yeah, I get it. And that is, you don't get you do not give a shit whatsoever. So Peters just wants Alex to ask one more, or answer the question in front of him before they move on. Good luck, which is fair. Yeah.

Alex Jones (01:17:57.000)

We've spent 24 minutes on Sandy Hook. I want to move on to the demo script.

Piers Morgan (01:18:02.000)

I just want to answer the question first before we move on. Do you feel like when you hear these when you hear these accounts of what happened to these families do you feel a sense of personal regret and remorse that your that your actions on it and don't change much inspired five a loss of official to think these people were actors and their kids didn't really die? Do you feel genuine calls?

Alex Jones (01:18:26.000)

You let me talk for any 1000 Iraqi children starve to death on purpose? No, no, I feel weightless. No. I legitimately questioned Sandy Hook and I stand by what I

Piers Morgan (01:18:40.000)

just said it was a hoax. I stand by what I did

Alex Jones (01:18:43.000)

attach themselves to me to raise money and to claim I'm doing things for them. I didn't do to raise money and to try to take over my life. And no, I don't. I apologize before they sued me if I ever hurt anybody's feelings. And I'm supposed to apologize forever and ever in some communist I just

Piers Morgan (01:19:00.000)

I just asked you whether you feel regret.

Jordan (01:19:03.000)

Okay. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's that that's him trying to get kicked off. Yeah, that's annoying. I don't like him pulling the little. I know, I'm trying to get kicked off thing there at the end.

Dan (01:19:15.000)

Or no, it's some little bit trying to get kicked off and another like, maybe I'm about to be kicked off. Yeah, exactly. Or just like, Alex recognizing that like, I'm not engaging with this interview at all. This isn't nothing's happening here. I might have just yell plugs Yeah, the totally couldn't hurt totally. No. So Alex's piece of shit and apparently does not feel bad at all about anything that he did, man. Boy cool,

Jordan (01:19:44.000)

don't you, you know, I just I just want to go back to the juries. You know, and just play them playing these clips afterwards and just ask them how they feel. Because like, I probably

Dan (01:19:56.000)

feel all right. It'd be like I know pretty good judgment

Jordan (01:19:59.000)

that So what I'm saying like, how can you, you know, I imagine there's got to be some sort of doubt somewhere in your mind if you should render a $1.5 billion judgment. It's a lot. It's a it's a doubt that I have just because I don't understand that number. It's too big. Yeah, you know, that kind of thing. But then to listen to this, if and feel that, like, just, I did good. You know, like I am in the right,

Dan (01:20:24.000)

this unrepentant asshole who's basing his lack of remorse on a lie about what he did? Yeah, that he's maybe convinced himself is reality, which is just not Yeah, I think anybody who would feel bad about whatever verdict should not feel bad.

Jordan (01:20:39.000)

No, they've got to be like me. Yep.

Dan (01:20:43.000)

So they, he goes to a break, and they come back and appears tries to honor Alex's wishes about moving on. And Alex goes back to

Jordan (01:20:52.000)

that sounds about right. Well,

Piers Morgan (01:20:53.000)

welcome back. Alex Jones is still with me as we move on to inexplicably to the Infowars website. Tonight, you were leading several hours ago, actually on the story, which I addressed at the top of the show, which is about this ludicrous idea that the word field is racist, I'm sure there are a number of things like that on which we would have complete agreement. But I also found a piece on your website near the top today. We said the following falsehoods have far reaching costs in livelihoods and lives, lack of integrity and conflicts of interest have led to an unprecedented institutional false information pandemic. There's nothing that dispels false narratives better than personal inquiry and critical thinking. So the next time conflicted institutions cry woeful wolf or vicious variant, or whatever it is, we need to think twice a very strong worded piece there about the danger of falsehoods. Do you agree with that?

Alex Jones (01:21:46.000)

Well, let me ask your question. And we'll finish up the Sandy Hook thing. I wish that I wasn't misled by some of those professors and thought that it was staged. It was a very small part of what I did. I tried to apologize. I tried to settle I tried to make restitution. And then they misrepresented when I was in the Texas trial. You can look at this. They had one of the mothers on who lost her son. And I went on my show that morning and taped it before I went to court. I said I think she's real. I think her son died. I've seen her testify the day before. And I'm very sorry that Adam Lanza did this. And then she went on the stand and said Jones attacked me and said, I'm an actress. It's all fake today. And I walked over to her during the break and I said, watch my show from today. Your lawyers lied to you in the next day. She came up and cried and shook my hand as scarlet Lewis and said, Oh my God, it's true. I saw you did say that. So there's a lot of manipulation here. Look, I didn't do this consciously.

Dan (01:22:37.000)

So Alex is lying about Scarlet Lewis. Her name get her name out of his fight might be defamatory. Yeah, I honestly had another. Yeah, absolutely. And also Alex's conveniently leaving off the part where he said that Neil Heslin was slow. And all that other stuff that was fairly insulting and attacking. Yeah. And I think that if you're in the middle of a case like this, Alex's posting pictures of the judge on fire and what have you all the coverage is attacking. No, regardless of the things that he's saying him even if it's passive aggressively saying I think you're wonderful totally and all that that's still kind of an attack 100%

Jordan (01:23:18.000)

him bringing them up on the show is an attack.

Dan (01:23:23.000)

Yeah. So Alex, I mean, like, for all of his I want to move on stuff, decided to bring it back to the topic that he wanted to move along from. And that's because he didn't actually want to move along. It's just that piers wasn't going along with his bullshit. Yeah, who wasn't playing the game that Alex wanted to play? So we wanted to move on. Now that we have a reset. Yep. Alex can try and get the points that he wants to get out? Out? And I mean, a lot of bullshit. Yeah, bullshit.

Jordan (01:23:51.000)

It is. It is this it is Alex is going to try to apologize by saying I'm sorry for some,

Dan (01:23:58.000)

I'm sorry that I'm so right. And everyone lies.

Jordan (01:24:01.000)

Right. And then you'll challenge him on it. And eventually, if the conversation goes on any further, Alex will get to the point where he says, of course, I don't give a shit about them. I hate them. They were mean to me, and now I lost all my money, and I hate them. And I wish I could do more bad things

Dan (01:24:16.000)

to they're trying to take over my life. Right? Exactly.

Jordan (01:24:19.000)

So So then he's like, oh, we gotta get off this because I sound like a lunatic. And then once you get off it, he's like, okay, now I can try and be sorry and look like a human being

Dan (01:24:28.000)

again cycle repeat. Exactly. So Alex has a love hate thing with peers. And then I kind of enjoyed this pierced. I don't agree with his premise, but he does try to explain the difference between the two of them.

Alex Jones (01:24:42.000)

Okay. And listen, that's what I said a love hate relationship with you. And I sent you an audio message yesterday. I watched the intro to your show. And I was like, Man, I wish I was as good as this guy. Oh my god. I covered the same stuff today, but fuck them saying the word America's bad. And the way he pointed out that it's not by itself that it's a cool One scroll language. I was like That guy's a master of really understanding this attack on our freedom. And I wish he knew that I was a real guy.

Piers Morgan (01:25:07.000)

And I'm learning different Saudis. Honestly, the difference between this I would say is this. I have always strived not always successfully. But I've always strived in my career to put a premium on accuracy. Without that you have enough, I would argue, and this is your chance to dispel this notion that over the years, you have deliberately and systematically used conspiracy theories, which I suspect, you know, are not true to fuel interest in a large number of people who then go and buy your products which you sell, which are a massive part of your business, and have made you hundreds of millions of dollars. And I'm going to give you some examples collectively, so let me just read them on every

Alex Jones (01:25:50.000)

phone when I read them, right sponsors, yes.

Dan (01:25:53.000)

So the difference between them is peers strives for accuracy. Sure. misses the mark, at times. Believe that premise aside, but the difference with Alex is he knows he's lying and saying a bunch of interesting bullshit in order to sell his shit. Yeah. to the audience. Yep. That is the difference. Yeah. So he said that he's going to give him some examples. And so here's lists off some of Alex's dumb conspiracies. And we might be at the beginning of the end. Oh, yeah.

Piers Morgan (01:26:23.000)

Yeah. I'm gonna give you some examples collectively. So let me just read them on every phone, whatever, read them. But this is some of the stuff you said on air. Right in 2017. You had to apologize after promoting the infamous pizza gate fake story that a Washington pizza restaurant was the lukari of a child sex abuse ring run by Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman, after 911. You called it an inside job perpetrated by the US government. You said the chemicals in the water, which are put there by the government are turning frogs gay in a gay bomb. You said Michelle Obama is a man. In a 12 minute video, you analyze footage of photographs, proving that Mrs. Obama has a penis. You said that Robert Mueller, the former FBI director who investigated Trump's Russia ties which turned out to be

Alex Jones (01:27:16.000)

very sour me Hold on one of these owners, Peter

Piers Morgan (01:27:21.000)

Farrell and said Take down so on So here's my I'm about to get kicked off. Yeah, you keep flashing up your info. We don't need to promote Infowars we will know about it. Listen, when my point of view is on the front page of challenges and I can't respond. Let me ask you the question I'm about to ask you. I read a piece on Infowars all about the danger of falsehoods, right the cost to livelihoods and lives the problem with lack of integrity and the false information pandemic. Your website is promoting that thinking that it's wrong to have false information but other and yet the guy behind the website making all the money is the guy saying all this stuff, which is obviously now you know, it's nonsense. Don't

Alex Jones (01:28:07.000)

be scared. Let me talk scared. Let

Dan (01:28:09.000)

me talk. Man, you're too threatened by the truth that I'm gonna bring.

Jordan (01:28:13.000)

You know, there's nothing quite like absolute utter nonsense coming from a posh accent. You know, there's just something beautiful about like,

Dan (01:28:22.000)

I mean, it's just broadcast. Oh, I know, the the the horn on this car that's like, this is all bullshit. Yes, you know that? Know that? And no, Alex does not believe all this is nonsense. And so he gives some some critique over his own beliefs. Here again, defense. All right.

Piers Morgan (01:28:45.000)

You know, it's nonsense. Don't be scared. Let me talk. Your chance to respond.

Alex Jones (01:28:50.000)

No, I don't know. It's nonsense. And if you took your time through all those points you just raised I can back every one of them. There are more than 1000 university studies from England, to Australia to South Africa to Mexico to Austin, Texas, that Atrazine is literally making male frogs gay. They don't want to have sex with female frogs. And their populations are plummeting and even becoming extinct. Boom, then 911 I don't think radical Islam doesn't exist. There were criminal elements in our government that it came out even in the hearings that stood down and did nothing so you rattle off

Piers Morgan (01:29:24.000)

911 was not an inside job. Michelle Obama is not a man, Robert Mueller is not a demonic

Piers Morgan (01:29:31.000)

bomber, and he Hillary Clinton. Big mind, these are all ridiculous lies because you'll notice them again. Over you then you know these things don't talk over you. Let me talk

Dan (01:29:49.000)

just stayed doing. Yeah, stop it. Yeah. So Alex really wants to talk about the Michelle Obama one now that of course. This Yeah. Xen is more complicated than Alex presented. It's certainly not a gay bomb.

Jordan (01:30:07.000)

It's definitely not something that would be enough for you to go boom. Yeah, all frogs are gay now. Hey, yeah, that's that's no mic drop moment. He

Dan (01:30:15.000)

thinks he dunked on the 911 one. Yeah. But yeah, all this is good. So here is his defense of the Michelle Obama stuff, okay. And I did have to bleep out a T slur that he throws out but this defense is not good.

Alex Jones (01:30:30.000)

Let me talk. It was that is a transcript. You have. I was playing a clip of Joan Rivers two months before she died with with fire exploding out of her mouth at a surgery. She said, Michelle Obama isn't everybody knows that we already have a gay president. And I was quoting what she said. And I was questioning what people were saying. That's Joan Rivers now let's move on. What was the other one? What was the other one you were saying?

Piers Morgan (01:31:00.000)

Robert Mueller is a demonic pedophile. Beat

Alex Jones (01:31:05.000)

Robert Mueller. Let's talk about pizza gate. Oh yeah

Jordan (01:31:14.000)

I got nothing let's go to the money round. Come on. Now.

Dan (01:31:18.000)

This is not the venue where I can defend my rampant demonic pedophile accusations. The free follow up questions and what definitions and I am not here for that? Let's go to pizza. Sir. I

Jordan (01:31:31.000)

believe we have found common ground on pizza gate in

Dan (01:31:33.000)

the past. So yeah, that Joan Rivers joke yet she made that wasn't made in surgery. That was when she was being interviewed on the street. Yeah, Alex is pretended that it was in surgery because he wants to make it seem more like she was killing it for revealing a secret or or something and that's that's nonsense. Also just just awful. Just a real piece of shit. So anyway, Piers, to his somewhat credit is like, I don't think you believe any of this. Yeah, this is all agree, Nicolas shit.

Alex Jones (01:32:04.000)

I didn't pre generate Pizzagate it was in the WikiLeaks documents. A whole bunch of Aleister Crowley Satan, you apologize

Piers Morgan (01:32:09.000)

because he promoted that that conspiracy theory to know. Here's my point, Alex, I don't think you really believe any of these things. I think you realized early on in your life, that there was a lot of money to be made from fueling conspiracy theories. And you have

Alex Jones (01:32:24.000)

a right I said, I said Jeffrey Epstein. 13 years ago ran an island in the Caribbean with kidnapped children. I said the Nexium cult was branding people five years before it broke. No, I had the sources. Well, I had the guts. I lost viewers saying Sandy Hook might have been staged. I lost all my reporters. That is not true. What you're saying I don't sit there and think of a story. I'm gonna say I've got too many stories here.

Dan (01:32:49.000)

Too many stories. Yeah, man.

Jordan (01:32:50.000)

He's got stickies, yet still.

Dan (01:32:55.000)

Absent proof of his claims about reporting on Jeffrey Epstein years and years back into absent any proof of the Nexium. Yeah, I don't provide some citations on that.

Jordan (01:33:09.000)

I believe if his claim is that he believed at some point in time that there was a cult of with people who were in Hollywood at the time ending people. Yeah, I would guarantee that he said that about everybody every day for the past 20 years

Dan (01:33:25.000)

or people kidnapping folks to Island total children being taken to islands. That's Satanic Panic offshoots. Ted Gunderson nonsense you've absolutely yeah. But yeah, this is trying to repackage that as this as this. So but I think I think that there's a I can get why peers would want to confront like this. Yeah. Like you don't believe this? Because I don't think a lot of folks have been able to ask that or press that that to Alex in a setting where he's presumably supposed to answer Yeah. Where he hasn't run away already. Yeah. And no, you get your answer. He does believe this stuff. But I also don't believe that I don't believe that either. So anyway,

Jordan (01:34:09.000)

it is it is that must be like the other like there has to be some desire for his catharsis for his own personal catharsis of like, Yeah, I'm going to say to Alex to his face, I don't think you believe that. Please, just tell me that you do so we can move on with our lives. Because I just wanted to say to you yeah,

Dan (01:34:26.000)

I'm gonna I'm just gonna make peace with whatever nonsense we've had between us. Yes. Yeah. See, beyond just the like, you don't really believe this appears also as a point of like, you're smart enough to understand that you like, you know how to cover a story right? And you're not right.

Piers Morgan (01:34:49.000)

It's my it's my question for you. Believe it. You are a smart enough person. From interviews I've seen interview with Joe Rogan for three hours. You're more than smart enough to do his show. Were you genuinely examine stories like Jussie Smollett, and you ask the right questions as a journalist would do. But I don't think you are a journalist. I know that you're not so you are trained journalists, but you don't come at it like a journalist. You come at it as a commercial operator who's made a fortune from fueling conspiracy theories which are ludicrous. And to a point responsible, you suddenly

Alex Jones (01:35:21.000)

find appears you had me here, let me sit on each lie you speak. Let me finish.

Dan (01:35:29.000)

I just I want to yell off things. You say. I don't want to wait for the question. Yeah.

Jordan (01:35:36.000)

Okay. In in Alex's defense appears ask questions. They're like an asshole.

Dan (01:35:41.000)

They're like, that style of interview? Sure, sure.

Jordan (01:35:45.000)

No, no, I understand. I understand. But he's asking questions with the clear idea that everybody already knows the answer to those questions. So if you're going to do that British style of interview, it's going to do that, and you're going to take so long about it. Like I'm on Alex's team, as far as like, I would answer the questions halfway into his question. You know, like, I get it, I get what you're trying to ask, this is taking forever,

Dan (01:36:09.000)

but this you think you can mind read? Maybe he's gonna swerve at the end of the question. Maybe he's getting at a different point than you think.

Jordan (01:36:16.000)

Okay, if he was if he was interviewing me, perhaps that is possible. But if it's Alex, we all know where this is gonna go true.

Dan (01:36:24.000)

And it does, and it does. So piers is saying, like, Hey, you're making money off this. You're a commercial operator, I don't think you're reporting on stories. And you're smart enough to understand what it means to cover a story, right? And you're choosing not to do that. And Alex is like, Fuck you, man. I won't apologize for making money. Hey, go,

Alex Jones (01:36:41.000)

let each lie you speak. Let me finish your goal is just fuel. I'm gonna tell you again, I'm gonna tell you again, I'm not against capitalism, and that people earn money normally. And actually, that's great. If I sell triggers of food, and supplements and books and films, and we make $20 million off that I pay my crew and my bandwidth to pay myself a couple million dollars a year. That is accurate. But the idea that I have billions of dollars and the idea that I did nothing, you

Piers Morgan (01:37:09.000)

make billions of dollars, I think you've made several 100 million dollars and some of the products included very false claims about diet supplements and toothpaste, which could be used to fight Coronavirus. And he was sent a cease and desist.

Alex Jones (01:37:22.000)

All I said is that silver OnContact kills all viruses, just like sunlight. And I said vitamin d3 is an antiviral and vitamin C is and it's a fact and it also said beers that the studies they'd already done with mRNA vaccine show they didn't protect you, and they erase your immune system and you've had to apologize. Well,

Piers Morgan (01:37:44.000)

no, no, no, no, just to clarify that they do protect you from Coronavirus. The difference was a year into the pandemic it was it emerged that the initial feeling that if you had the vaccine, you couldn't transmit it turned out to be wrong, but they didn't actually hear you.

Alex Jones (01:38:06.000)

Today nurenberg to Oh my God.

Dan (01:38:09.000)

See, this is where Alex wanted to get to. Yeah, the I'm gonna deport you back to UK for being against the 1776 will commence again.

Jordan (01:38:21.000)

You are making me feel real bad. But now I get to call you a genocide or you will

Dan (01:38:25.000)

stand at Nuremberg is the that's where Alex is like, ah, yeah, this. That's the feeling in the moment that he had in 2013 is like there's a there's a colonel there. It's definitely not as gratifying. No, no, no, and it's not on CNN. And Morgan is not who he was 10 years ago. So it's not maybe not as big a deal. And you might even be forgiven for not knowing that this happened.

Jordan (01:38:51.000)

i But 100% did not most

Dan (01:38:54.000)

probably have no idea. So it's not the same rush that Alex got 10 years ago. But there is still something nice about being able to say you will stand at number two,

Jordan (01:39:04.000)

here's my problem. Here's my problem. My problem is that throughout this interview, it appears that the only two people who got what they wanted are in the interview and the rest of us are told to fuck off.

Dan (01:39:15.000)

Oh, most people weren't watching. So you know, that's a good point. It's a good point here narcissists get what they want from each other. In a forest, you know,

Jordan (01:39:25.000)

you are not wrong.

Dan (01:39:26.000)

Anyone here the tree fall.

Jordan (01:39:28.000)

If if solipsistic to have sex, are they also masturbating? Is the question.

Dan (01:39:32.000)

So the the the other thing there too, is Alex should not be in favor of Nuremberg, too, because that kind of requires a world government. Yeah, but a lot of the anti gay, like New World Order he types are very against Nuremberg because of the sort of global authority that's required for a World Court. Alex should know that if he cared at all about his principles. Anyway, he started yelling and it feels

Jordan (01:39:59.000)

good. Yeah, so I assume he's finally gotten over all of that. I'm supposed to feel bad about all these things that I did or didn't do

Dan (01:40:07.000)

let you decide, okay,

Alex Jones (01:40:08.000)

you're gonna stand at Nuremberg to all did you get money from big pharma? Oh, I

Piers Morgan (01:40:13.000)

didn't get any other media people gonna say Yeah, listen, the vaccines once you get money, the vaccine money means of lies. However, let's take a short break. Now the last question

Jordan (01:40:28.000)

you're going down?

Dan (01:40:30.000)

You've talked over info wars.com. Yep. So you did another little blog

Jordan (01:40:34.000)

did another little plug, of course.

Dan (01:40:37.000)

Oh my god. Yep. So they come back. And piers has another topic that he wants to broach with Alex. And that is, of course, January 6,

Jordan (01:40:45.000)

naturally, roller against gay

Dan (01:40:49.000)

ordinay. So I just have one clip of that. It's just the basically the entirety of anything that means anything you guys,

Piers Morgan (01:40:56.000)

welcome back to my final segment with Alex Jones. Alex, on January the sixth, the infamous January the sixth, you stood there writing the crowds up by saying we declare 1776 against the New World Order. We need to understand what under attack, we need to understand this is 21st century warfare and get on a war footing. And within several hours, that's exactly what 1000s of people did. They went down from hearing you say that Donald Trump the same way he said, and they launched an unprecedented attack on the Capitol, the very center of democracy in America. Do you regret it now? A

Jordan (01:41:29.000)

couple of 100 years ago?

Alex Jones (01:41:31.000)

No, I don't. I've had rallies with over a million people, half a million people. Before that. It's an information war infowars.com. We're in an information war. We were there to have a 10 day investigation of the Constitution, the Democrats in tears before looking at what was happening, the new liable and then peers. I tried to stop people and did keep 1000s from going into the Capitol and I've been cleared in the January 6 Look.

Piers Morgan (01:41:58.000)

Just to be clear, do you denounce those who use violence that day?

Alex Jones (01:42:02.000)

Yes, I did announce Ray ABS telling the congressional committee that he orchestrated the attack. And I tried to stop the provocateurs in that operation from breaking in. We had a million people there, they tricked 1000 or so to go in a few 100 provocateurs rope through the police, similar to what we're seeing in Brazil. And so I'm on record there that day, telling people don't go in the building and trying to stop it. When I say 1776 I'm saying try to take our guns 1776 Protect our free speech. 1776 It means political rebellion, it means an awakening. It means saying no, that's not what it means.

Jordan (01:42:39.000)

No, it means something very specific. Yeah,

Dan (01:42:42.000)

that's why I mean, 1776 Yeah, thing that you're saying? Yeah, um, I think if I were doing an interview, I would probably just leave January 6 alone, as it relates to Alex, I think that that shit is too complicated. He's never going to give you a straight answer on stuff. And there isn't enough of an optical thing where he was telling people not to, yeah, fight not to go in and stuff. And so like, that is enough for him to hang his hat on. And, like, just leave it alone. It's not it's not worth interviewing him about it,

Jordan (01:43:14.000)

what he the information that he has, that would be very interesting. He can never tell you, or you may not know or know. Well, I mean, more like the I the stuff he does know, you know, like with, with him and all the Oathkeepers and all of that stuff. I would be interested in what he knows whether it's what I think it is it should be or not, you know, what extent of Is he involved or anything? I think there's still very interesting

Dan (01:43:38.000)

that he doesn't know totally put out of that stuff when I

Jordan (01:43:42.000)

was sitting in though is what he did know that still interesting. You know, it would still be interesting to find that out no matter what it was, in terms of how high up

Dan (01:43:54.000)

point my point is, whatever that is, you're saying that it's stuff he would never say. And that might be true, but I'm saying he might not know what he knows. He doesn't Well, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. And you'll never get a straight answer out of him. Anyway, that's the most important part it some of it's not even being like cagey. And like, I don't want to answer this. Yes. Never gonna get an answer. No. No. So also, all that other stuff is bullshit that he said, Yeah, I don't even know why we bother. I read the transcript of that interview with Ray Epps. And it this is a rank mischaracterization of his texts. Come on now. So this This is gross. This this clips bad.

Piers Morgan (01:44:35.000)

has one of the lessons that you've learned from this lawsuit with the Sandy Hook families, as one of the lessons been that actually truth matters? And all that do you believe now to focus on saying things which are true because consequences can be very serious? Oh, my God.

Alex Jones (01:44:53.000)

You keep trying to act like I've covered or made mistakes on purpose. The whole currency operated as a truth. And we're accurate 95% of the time I make big mistakes. And when I make mistakes, we absolutely admit to it. I think you've done that yourself sometime. So I'll you know, here's the maybe in 10 years, you're still alive. I'm alive. I'm back on, you'll say, Well, you apologize now. I apologize by causing the pain. I've already done it and only makes them more rabid and attacked more and misrepresented when on my show. During the trade. It's not an apology. Now, is it real? I'm so sorry. If your child they went on the stand and said I attacked him that day. That's all on record. And so

Piers Morgan (01:45:33.000)

the reason the problem is the

Alex Jones (01:45:35.000)

movement of millions of dollars, if they're dead kids,

Piers Morgan (01:45:39.000)

the problem is you didn't make millions of dollars from their day kids is one of the reasons. It's one of the real

Alex Jones (01:45:45.000)

reason marketing. It's the reason I make millions of dollars off of my book. It's some reason,

Piers Morgan (01:45:51.000)

the reason he lives, right. The reason Elon Musk has refused to let you back on Twitter is you won't let people on who trade off dead children. That's exactly what you did.

Alex Jones (01:46:03.000)

So Madeleine Albright kills 500,000. Questions of mass shooting, I get it. I'm the worst guy in the world. I didn't say that dying. Corporate media doesn't say that Alex Jones is bad. But here's the thing. infowars.com lives, people can come to my show every day. 11am Central, and they can hear what I'm actually saying peers versus what you're trying to put in my mouth. I see

Piers Morgan (01:46:24.000)

what I'm putting into your mouth or things that have come out of your mouth.

Dan (01:46:27.000)

So now when I was listening to the clip, I found it really objectionable that he said they made millions of dollars off their dead kid. Yeah. And because I think in the past, Alex has made this kind of expression about the like law firms and stuff. But he's generally pretty careful not to say it about the parents. He's saying it about the parent. And I wanted to play that just so you can hear I mean, he's clearly saying their kid.

Alex Jones (01:46:52.000)

Problem is the movement of millions of dollars off their dead kids.

Dan (01:46:59.000)

He's clearly talking about the parents here. Yep. And in combination with, you know, the stuff you said about Scarlet Lewis, and the fact that when he sang, he said in that clip, he said, vague, become more rabid. You know, I said this stuff. I said, I apologize. And I was nice. And then that day, they attack me on sin. That's clearly harkening back to what he said about Miss Lewis earlier. Yeah. Like this is I don't know, I feel like he might fuck legally actionable. It feels like it could be

Jordan (01:47:28.000)

I mean, this but what but beyond what that is just be you know, like, this is 100% a continuation of the things that yes,

Dan (01:47:36.000)

and and it's morally, it's horrific, culpable. It's it's absent morals. It's, it's just your pile of shit. Yeah. This way.

Jordan (01:47:47.000)

And no, it is. It is like, it is one of those things, though, where I wish if everybody had all of the awareness of like, having gone through the trial, having gone through everything, having studied all of this stuff, we are at a point now where this man needs to be stopped. He cannot be it's can't be money. It's he's just you're not allowed to be on TV. You're not allowed to be on the radio. That can't happen, because there's no other way to stop him. Yeah, it's not going to happen the way every other way that we have ever had has been able to stop someone at least eventually.

Dan (01:48:23.000)

Yeah, I think I think it's dangerous to to think along those lines, because then you kind of bring into people's minds the possibility that what you're saying is he needs to be killed or something. And that's obviously Okay. Well, obviously, I know. Right. But, you know, clarification is, is is helpful. What, what I'm saying is, I think you're right, in some sense, but the supply side is impossible to deal with. And that's why I think the demand side is more of a fruitful place to try and make inroads. Sure, sure, sure. The the he is the supplier of this stuff, and you cannot get him to stop, he will not stop. He claims he has 15 Giant offers. That's not true. But he could, you know, still do a podcast or whatever, he's never going to retire to a farm. Like he pretends to want to Sure, sure, sure. That's not going to happen. And so the best you can really do is create as much of an awareness about who he actually is. And the fact that he is scamming his audience and all this is bullshit. And then hopefully, that has the effect of diminishing whatever influence he has. That's, that's about the hope you can have there.

Jordan (01:49:43.000)

I agree with you on that. I agree with you. Full stop. I do think that Alex is so specific and unique in this circumstance, that it warrants a specific and unique intervention

Dan (01:49:56.000)

with a $1.5 billion judgment is pretty specific and unique.

Jordan (01:50:00.000)

Yeah, it would be if afterwards, Alex wasn't on TV with Piers Morgan, committing the same crimes at them. Well, nobody's stopping him from doing that.

Dan (01:50:10.000)

True. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but a lot of the sort of admin stuff after the fact of the verdict is still ongoing. Sure. And so we're, we're in an illusion of no consequence right now. While a lot of that stuff is still in motion.

Jordan (01:50:27.000)

How about this? Let me let me piggyback onto the demand and I'm going to add into the demand people like Piers Morgan they are part of the problem yeah, I You should not have Alex on here on your show. I agree to continue to commit crimes I you did I agree. did it on purpose.

Dan (01:50:44.000)

I agree. In some sense. I think that a lot of the time platforming Alex obviously all the time. Stupid. No point. I think often it can be a little bit dangerous in as much as like having him on with Rogan being cool and Bros and stuff chair that portrays Alex in a light that is the fraudulent and makes him more appealing to people who maybe otherwise wouldn't be drawn towards his brand of fundamentalist ass. Weird demonology. Sure. Same thing with the Glenn Greenwald interview. This is presented him as somebody who should be taken seriously. Right, the documentary itself is a fraud on his positions and his who he is, you know, there's a lot of that. And I think that those people are definitely more culpable in the way that you're describing, with peers. I think, first of all, they have a history with each other. Second, I don't think that this interview in any way is going to make Alex look cool. And I don't think that it's in the reach that piers may have. I don't know if it's going to introduce Alex to a an audience that is likely to be drawn into his shit. Right. And the final point, I think beers has a reason he thinks he's doing this, whether or not it's worthwhile, whether or not it's a good idea. I do think that there's something he's trying to get to, in a way that a lot of other interviews, maybe don't have a point. This doesn't have a point. Right. But Pierce thinks it has a point, right? Therefore, I can understand why he's doing it. Right.

Jordan (01:52:24.000)

And I agree with you, because I from from the thought process that I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with what you're saying what I'm adding into this is my problem, and that is that Alex has committed a crime, if we're going to call getting a $1.5 billion judgment against something, a crime or a punishment or something along those lines. Right, then he can't go on to a show and do it more. Right. That's part of what has to be stopped. And I mean, I'm not saying that Alex himself can't go on Piers Morgan, Joe, but he can't control himself. Exactly. So that's the problem. It is, is that he is committing a crime when he goes on Piers Morgan show

Dan (01:53:06.000)

and does blaming peers for that is a little bit tough. Blaming peers for that. Well, you're saying blaming him for having him on?

Jordan (01:53:13.000)

If he's part if the demand is the issue? Yeah. Then you can't have Alex on because you're having Alex on because you know, he's going to commit a crime. Well, you're hiring somebody to come commit a crime on your show? Because you want ratings? Not

Dan (01:53:24.000)

necessarily because we have an understanding of Alex that maybe is higher than peers. Exactly. He may not know that he may just think, Hey, Alex and I are gonna yell at each other totally, you know, not not think that Alex is going to come on in lie about the families lie about literally everything, and then say that the families are making millions off their dead kids. Yeah. Like he peers probably didn't expect that level. I agree of thing. And maybe we would expect something. Maybe I would have expected

Jordan (01:53:56.000)

something. I don't know if I would have gone that far. Yeah, but you'd expect so. So Callison, and I

Dan (01:54:02.000)

was saying that the family members story is garbage like these things, you wouldn't expect you to fix something, but maybe not that. And you know, you I think I think he's doing his I hate to say this, because I don't like yours. No, no, I think he's doing the best he can. What is happened and

Jordan (01:54:20.000)

I don't disagree with you. I'm not injecting any sort of like, moral judgment on character here. It's not I'm not saying that piers is bad for having Alex on or that or anything along those lines. I'm saying that you if you committed if we call something a crime, if we call something you did worth being punished by $1.5 billion, that means that we are doing it to stop you from doing that crime. Okay. Now, regardless of whether or not it has happened yet is his punishment has occurred yet, right. So the point is that the stopping should have occurred well, and that's what needs to happen is that it's an interesting cuz that means just like, hey, listen, we've got one person who watches everything Alex goes on. And if he says the name of Sandy Hook or the name of a family member, or even row bleakly references it he gets an extra $500 million added to his judgment. You know, if that's why we want to do it, that's fine. But that's the crime that needs to be stopped. And that's what he's doing. You know,

Dan (01:55:21.000)

ma'am. He's a tough person to punish. He's stubborn,

Jordan (01:55:27.000)

he's figured out that the part of our punishment system relies on people actually believing the existence. Is it real, that other humans exist? I

Dan (01:55:35.000)

guess, I don't know. So we have one last clip here. And it's how things end and then about how you'd expect yet two men yelling over each other.

Piers Morgan (01:55:43.000)

I see what I'm putting into your mouth or things that have come out of your mouth.

Alex Jones (01:55:48.000)

No, you don't have footage. But their houses.

Piers Morgan (01:55:53.000)

Cover the Sandy Hook, you

Alex Jones (01:55:54.000)

don't have any of that, you know,

Piers Morgan (01:55:57.000)

all I know is for all your posture. We had a board, when those poor families, all that peers are going through the most excruciating lives, you took a massive amount of fuel. And we were on fire out other than saying, what about the bottom line with you? You deliberately? Sandy,

Jordan (01:56:22.000)

this is embarrassing. You're shouting?

Piers Morgan (01:56:23.000)

contemptible, and we both

Alex Jones (01:56:28.000)

your first amendment, and I'm glad you had to move back to England, on your Islamic takeover. And when they're arresting

Piers Morgan (01:56:37.000)

you once again, Freedom piercing the plot. So now I have to say goodbye. But

Alex Jones (01:56:43.000)

you should appreciate that don't be a liar.

Piers Morgan (01:56:46.000)

Nothing's really changed over the last 10 years or so he carried on exploiting particularly the families of Sandy Hook for massive personal financial gain. He systematically tells conspiracy theories shy No, he knows about true. And he does it because it makes him tons of money. And he's got away with it

Dan (01:57:04.000)

until now. Yeah, so I mean, the good wrap up there, nothing's changed.

Jordan (01:57:09.000)

Hey, everybody,

Dan (01:57:10.000)

I still an asshole.

Jordan (01:57:11.000)

Can we get this hour back? Anybody who wants to give me an hour? And I think

Dan (01:57:15.000)

there is a debate to be had about whether or not you err that, you know, like, if, if that's a good question, he did put a he did put like a beginning and end on this, you know, where he said, Well, nothing's changed. Yeah. So clearly, this was pre recorded in some way before broadcast. And if that's the case, then maybe you do it. And if your conclusion is going to be well, still a piece of shit, maybe you shelve it, maybe you just say like that interview was what it was. It does not need to come out. But then you run the risk of Alex having recorded it himself or something or including the whole thing, maybe is why you just never engaged with him to begin with. Seems pretty reasonable that much in the beginning of or the end of war game. Unfortunate, unfortunate, but

Jordan (01:58:08.000)

here's here's the way that this podcast has taught me you should deal with Alex Jones. Either don't deal with him, or do on an absurd amount of dealing with him. Deal with him on a level that no human being could be conceived of, to being dealt with. Right in the history of time. Yeah, as you might imagine. I'm fairly attracted to extremes.

Dan (01:58:27.000)

Yeah. No, half measures.

Jordan (01:58:31.000)

Nope, nope.

Dan (01:58:34.000)

So yeah, we come to the end of this, and boy,

Unknown Speaker (01:58:37.000)

lots changed in 10 years.

Dan (01:58:39.000)

Almost nothing. So I think that Alex maybe thought that he was going to have another like 1776 will commence again. Moment. Yeah. Like he'd be able to get another catchphrase and like, get a good really Bentley? Yeah, some of that feeling. And I'm not sure I'm not sure that this was what he needed. Maybe it's always fun to yell at Piers Morgan. It is I get that. Yeah. But I gotta assume that he felt a little bit maybe not maybe that empty but not as full as he wanted to be.

Jordan (01:59:12.000)

I mean, you know, I it's not the first time I've said this. It's not but won't be the last it feels like Alex might have been unprepared for this.

Dan (01:59:22.000)

I think I think that appears might have been I agree with that. I was wrestling with this as I was listening to it though. Like if he was more prepared, he will be able to like be able to tell like all this is bullshit. This is a lie. Yeah, but also a lot of that stuff is stuff you just got to ignore if you're interviewing him. Yeah, so maybe piers was aware that a lot of the stuff was lies, but if you get down into the weeds with a ton of stuff while talking to him, you will lose the plot. Yeah. And and his distraction games will be able to be more effective. So ignoring a ton of stuff and just letting it sit there maybe isn't a sign of unpreparedness as much as it is Like, I don't even care. I'm not gonna chase this down.

Jordan (02:00:03.000)

I mean, we we've we've got, I suppose the the best example of an interview with Alex you can have and it's a deposition and it's legally enforced and even then he still does not answer your questions true. So so it's like, even in the most ideal circumstances where the law compels him to answer honestly, he still will not. Yeah, there's no point in having an interview. No,

Dan (02:00:27.000)

unless unless you have an ulterior motive. Yeah. And I think, as I can tell, the ulterior motive here might have been some kind of ratings, but I don't know what kind of ratings you're expecting. We're having a interview with Alex at this point. But then the other ulterior motive could have just been satisfying the curiosity really, do you understand how serious this is? For people?

Jordan (02:00:49.000)

I could see that I could really see that being the case.

Dan (02:00:51.000)

And if that's the case, then he got his answer yet, which is Nope. Well, if you do you don't care. Yes. You probably don't. And if you do, you don't care. And you'll never accept. Yeah, if you understand you'll never accept the reality and severity of the situation. So it's kind of a moot point, right?

Jordan (02:01:09.000)

The answer it appears this question is peers, you're asking the wrong question, right? This question has no meaning to me. Yeah, this is uh, this is like asking me if I prefer star flavored ice cream. I've never tasted a star. I don't know

Dan (02:01:21.000)

who I have this coke.

Jordan (02:01:23.000)

Or coke. Yeah. What? What's your favorite type of morality? I've never heard of any of them. Yeah, yeah.

Dan (02:01:29.000)

So disappointing. But hey, what? What a fun way to go off the beaten path of

Jordan (02:01:35.000)

that's a prediction for 2023 I was not imagining

Dan (02:01:38.000)

Piers Morgan. Back. I don't think Alex is gonna be chasing him down in the way he wanted to. Anyway, we'll be back Jordan with another episode. We will on Wednesday, and also Wednesday will be when those tickets go on sale through check for that. But until then website indie redo. It's now trade.com. Yep. We are also

Jordan (02:02:01.000)

on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fights. Yes,

Dan (02:02:04.000)

I am Neil. I'm Leo amnesiacs. Clark, but I'm also Dan and it's important to remember that

Alex Jones (02:02:10.000)

that's really funny in ways and now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.