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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight.
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Dan and Jordan.
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Knowledgefight.
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I need money.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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Where a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little
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bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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Everything is that we're back in the saddle.
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Everything is back to normal.
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Yes.
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It was very nice, and a big thank you to Dave and Gareth for filling in your seat on Monday.
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Fantastic job.
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I would also like to apologize to the audience that apparently that whole spider thing is
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maybe based on anti-Semitic conspiracies from history, but also maybe it's just a spider.
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I mean, you know, sometimes a spider is just a spider.
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It's not always a penis.
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It's hard to say in this case.
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Freud said that.
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But yeah, I didn't realize that at the time, but yeah, it's nice to be back.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And thank you for the bath bombs.
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Oh, you are very welcome, my friend.
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Bespoke Irish bath bombs.
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Bespoke Irish bath bombs of the kind that can only be found in Dublin.
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Beautiful, beautiful Dublin.
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Little shave of the Blarney Stone in there.
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Each one has a tiny piece of the Blarney Stone.
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, Dan, is obviously, my quote vacation was a little bit longer than usual
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and that's because my partner is on mental health leave from school.
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And school has started and rather- For those who don't know, she's a teacher.
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She's an art teacher at a school that shall not be named.
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And yeah, so the amount of nonsense that is immediately out the gate, like there's only
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two art teachers and one of them now has 50 kids in her class and rather than hire a different
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art teacher, the administrative staff hired three more admin people.
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So I think we know exactly what their focus is.
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Admin.
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Yeah.
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And it ain't teachers.
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And so her- How's this your bright spot?
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Her mental health during that time period was revelatory.
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You know, it was after all the stuff- Sort of getting away from it all.
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I mean, it was a reset for her.
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She slept better than- Great reset.
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Well, it was not quite that great.
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She did not stop climate change.
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But she slept better than I think I've seen her sleep in a long time and not like that,
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you know, I slept 12 hours kind of sleep at that healthy, I'm waking up on a good time
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and I'm happy and I'm doing a good job.
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It was beautiful to watch and it just filled me with so much joy.
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So yeah, that's my bright spot is that we have left that horrible place where she was
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happy and come back to Chicago where she can be abused by everybody once more.
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Right.
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But we got Vienna beef hot dogs.
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But we got Vienna beef hot dogs.
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Right through the garden.
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That's what we got.
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Give me some of that relish.
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They don't have it there.
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No.
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That's true.
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They really don't.
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There's an embargo on relish in Ireland.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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Hell yeah.
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There has been a lot that's happened since we've recorded a present day episode.
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Right.
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Because you're gone and then the trial stuff was, you know, pretty-
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Dominant.
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Yes.
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It caused a clog in the pipes, as it were.
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And I decided that what we should do is focus on the thing that I think most people were
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talking about, maybe the highest profile piece of information, and that was that last week
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on Wednesday-
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Right.
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Alex turned on Trump.
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Right.
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Or one would be led to believe that.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Which, which, so this was last Wednesday.
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Not four months ago.
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Not a year ago?
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Nope.
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Not a year and four months ago.
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Nope.
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Not a year and eight months ago.
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The point is made that Alex turns on Trump a lot.
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It seems like he's turned on Trump quite a bit.
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I'm surprised it's still news.
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Yeah.
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So we're going to talk about August 17th, 2022.
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How do you do?
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Oh, okay.
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And that will, we'll get back to some other present day stuff on Friday, but that seemed
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like something that has an immediate need.
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It needs an address.
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Indeed.
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Yes.
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Now, Jordan, I want to, I want to address one thing really quick.
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Um, and that is that there's a widespread perception, uh, that I took a week off because
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you were good luck, uh, out of town and this is not true.
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I would give anything for you to take a week off.
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We did not put out any episodes.
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So publicly it might've appeared that I took a week off, but I did not.
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And I have something very special to announce and that is that we are doing another round
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of buttons.
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What?
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Everyone loves a button.
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Everybody.
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And I'm, I'm, I'm really thrilled with this, uh, this, this round, uh, our flagship button
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this time around is made by my dear friend, uh, Angela Lampsbury.
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And she's designed a, the Squatch has no heroes button so that everyone who, uh, responds
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will get one of those.
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And then there's a random pick from a series of other buttons, a number of them made by
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the very talented Laura D'Souza, a number of different buttons themed on Alex things
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like grape job is one of them.
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Um, and so those are there also our dear friend, Sarah Shockey from a Marty and Sarah love
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wrestling among other things.
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She designed a dreamy, creamy summer button and so dreamy, creamy summer 2022.
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Cause I'm gonna do this.
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Well, yeah, obviously that is, that is our, our deal.
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Next year will be yogurts though.
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I don't think it won't be.
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No, no, no, no.
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We don't do yogurt.
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I'm not going to do that.
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I was going to say.
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So we have all these buttons.
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Yeah.
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Um, and there's two important things to bring up.
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One is that I have learned over the course of doing these button things that, um, this
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is the best way to ruin an inbox.
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So I have needed to create a separate email address for button requests, right?
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I wanted to get kfbuttonsatgmail.com.
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Of course you did.
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It's taken.
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How?
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By whom?
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I don't know.
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King fighters buttons.
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What are you talking about?
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So the email address that you need to write to, if you want a button, is kfbuttonsixtynine
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at gmail.com.
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Oh man.
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That was available.
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That is just, how could it not be?
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How could it not be?
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So if you want a button, uh, just send an email to that with your address or a shipping
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address, mailing address, and we will get those turned around.
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Ideally, I would like to get those, uh, maybe mailed and all done by the end of the Dream
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of Creamy Summer, as a sort of celebration of the end of it, but I'm not totally committed
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to that because these things, I don't know, I mean, we had way more people want them last
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time than I expected.
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God knows what's going to happen now.
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Who knows?
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Yeah, this could be absolutely chaos.
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I said I wouldn't do this again and then I did it again.
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You did?
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You did?
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That's what happens when you go out of town.
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You can't not work.
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I'll teach you.
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You can't not work.
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Now, one more important thing about these buttons.
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Yes.
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This is very exciting.
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Okay.
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There is a design that is a what's your bright spot design of a button and it has a little
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treasure chest on it.
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I've made three of these.
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Oh my god, Dan.
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I wanted to make a Willy Wonka thing.
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You Willy Wonka ass motherfucker.
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There are three.
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There are three golden tickets.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I've only made three.
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Only three.
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I've only made three.
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And whoever receives them will also receive an ironic punishment of some sort.
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No.
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If you receive one of those and send us a picture of you with the button.
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Yeah, you don't have to send yourself a picture of your face or whatever.
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But we will make a donation to a charity of your choice in your name.
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Absolutely.
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So that's the way we're going to Wonka it.
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Done.
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No ironic punishments necessary.
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Just something kind of fun.
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Something really cool.
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Right.
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And we're going to do good things.
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I thought it would be silly, but then I also thought we should just do one.
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No, we can't just do one.
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And the odds of it maybe not getting to the person kind of scare me.
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So three seemed like the sweet spot.
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Right, right, right.
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We'll at least get two maybe.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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And this isn't true at all, but I'm going to say it in order to scare people.
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I can tell a bootleg a mile away.
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I will be able to tell if you're trying to run a fast one.
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Absolutely not.
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Yeah, well then I'll be putting up with any of that.
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Don't post your button picture publicly otherwise somebody will get the screenshot, zero it
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in.
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No, no, no.
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Because then I can reverse image search.
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Oh, that's true.
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Good call.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know what that means.
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He was going to say.
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Sounds convincing.
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We both know it.
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So Jordan, let's get into this episode.
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But first, let's say hello to some new Wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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Also, because we were out of town and we didn't have...
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The backlog once again.
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Oh boy.
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Sorry.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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Coming from the outer regions of the universe, it's Dantron Zero and Jordanator.
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Check it.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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Dantron Zero and Jordanator.
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Next, Jordan's physics knowledge is awesome, Doctor of Physics Lily.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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What do you know about physics?
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I know a lot actually.
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It's weird.
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So tell me something about physics.
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Well, an electron is not really a thing.
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It's actually kind of a superposition.
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So you can never know what an electron is and so it's more considered a field at this
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point in time.
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Now, if you put it through a particle accelerator, all right, you're going to get all kinds of
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wild stuff.
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I hope you enjoyed that, Lily.
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Next, I love it when Jordan says bananas.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy Wonk.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I feel like that's sarcastic because I say it too much.
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No, this person actually explained that they chose the name because they like it when you
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say bananas.
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Oh, wow.
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I mean, that's a very literal bananas thing to say.
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Indeed.
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Yay.
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So we also got some technocrats in the mix here, Jordan.
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So first, oh my God, coal has been taken over by the globalists.
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Just kidding.
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It's as dope as it's ever been.
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Thank you so much.
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Oh, I get it.
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It's not coal.
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I thought it was coal.
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It's coals.
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Oh, the open mic?
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The bar.
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The bar.
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Yeah.
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Just kidding.
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It's as dope as it's ever been.
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Next, the magical mystical master Sergeant Daniel Jordan's mystery conspiratorial time
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machine band featuring the Dr. Dreamy Creamy, featuring the Dreamy Creamy, Dr. Toots and
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the amazing Technicolor Squatch.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat and soy boy zoo, the pretend race team.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy Wonk.
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I have risen above my enemies.
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I might quit tomorrow.
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Actually.
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I'm just going to take a little break.
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You know, a little breaky for me.
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And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over, but I'm the
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devil.
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I got to be taking all the hair off, you know, all this.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world
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order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do.
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I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns
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on air.
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I'll be better tomorrow.
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He's not.
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Oh no.
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Can we start off here with Alex being in a mood about deaths in the world?
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Sure.
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There's a lot of deaths.
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Well, yeah.
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Recently.
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Yeah.
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His take on it might be a little off though.
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Okay.
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There's no turning back now.
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We've chosen which side we're on.
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Team Freedom versus Team Ramston.
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Oh.
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We are now inside the operational phase of global cultural and economic societal collapse
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and the mass forced depopulation that has already begun according to all major insurance
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actuaries.
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I'm sorry.
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What?
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I'm sorry.
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What now?
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Record deaths in every Western country that has taken the experimental injections.
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Incredible time to be alive.
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Look.
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So look.
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You look, Alex.
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Yeah, the claim that all Western countries are seeing record deaths is just, it's not
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something that Alex can make in any meaningful way.
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The type of statistics he would need to prove that aren't available.
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And the only thing he could possibly be working off of is like anecdotal stories that his
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anti-vax friends are telling him or that he sees on social media.
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Or that weird Steve guy's sub stack.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what would you, is there a running tally of deaths per 12 month time period that
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you can compare going back several hundred years, perhaps to the black death?
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like what is a record number compared to what?
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Oh, that is a good point.
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He says record deaths.
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It's not, yeah, it's not very specific.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't think he cares much.
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He's just talking shit.
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That's a good point.
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But Alex is blaming this on the COVID vaccines, which again is also a lot of shit.
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The only place he ever pulls vaccine data from is VAERS because it's a place where
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all reports of any side effects that anyone experiences after getting vaccinated are reported
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regardless of whether or not the vaccine caused the side effect.
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Up to August 10th, 2022, there had been 606 million doses administered and 15,930 reports
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of people dying after getting the vaccine that had been entered into VAERS.
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That doesn't mean that almost 16,000 people died because of the vaccine.
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But even if it did, that represents 0.0026% of vaccinations.
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The CDC has identified nine deaths that they can causally link to a vaccine for COVID.
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And those aren't even the mRNA ones.
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Those are people who got the Johnson and Johnson shot.
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So none of this makes any sense.
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This is stupid.
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But Alex wants to be very extreme about the vaccine.
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And I got that sense pretty immediately.
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And I think that there's a good reason.
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I think you'll see as this goes on why this needs to be heightened and made as severe
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as possible.
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So, yeah, we've got the midterms coming up.
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Oh, my God.
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Why does everybody why does he keep talking about the midterms?
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Because they're very important.
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No one cares.
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The Republicans, they might want to take over the country.
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Sure.
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Alex might be OK with that, might be into it.
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But also maybe they need to take over the country more.
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That sounds right.
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Republicans running around wetting themselves with excitement that, oh, we're about to
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take over the country.
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Even if we get more Senate seats and take the Senate and take the House, so many Republicans
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are basically Democrats.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Tons.
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Republican in name only.
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That's the big problem.
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But the good news is this.
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We have leaders like Rhonda Santas and we have leaders like Bolsonaro and Viktor Orban
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and others that understand what's going on.
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He's been ramping up his name dropping of Orban.
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I mean, definitely happening more lately.
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If you're also let me be clear.
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We don't have leaders like Bolsonaro.
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Just because Orban spoke at CPAC doesn't mean he has any control over the U.S.
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I feel like if I was DeSantis, I would be like, please don't put me in without and out
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fascists.
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I would like to still slide under the radar for at least a little while before I get to
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become president and fascist with the shit out of people.
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Ironically, get me past the midterm.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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Then we'll talk.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Obviously the big talking point that was circling around social media after this episode
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was that Alex has turned on Trump in favor of DeSantis.
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Sure.
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So it's obviously a high praise for him to be put in the same category as Bolsonaro.
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Bolsonaro and Orban.
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The people destroying the Amazon rainforest.
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So Alex does still like Trump.
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And that's something that's important to recognize, despite what the sort of...
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Alex has turned on Trump, finally.
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The discourse around this episode has been.
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Now I'll say this.
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I like Donald Trump and I know the system doesn't like him and I know I've been persecuted
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like nothing in my life for supporting him.
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Sure.
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And that made me kind of pigheadedly support him a few years ago, even though I disagree
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with his warp speed.
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What?
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Because I thought that we had to keep him in office because of the nightmare scenario
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if Hillary or Biden got in.
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So if this is true and Alex supported Trump when Operation Warp Speed was happening because
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a need to keep Trump in office, then he was lying to his audience.
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Alex was super clear that he had like these really high level back channel intelligence
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sources that were telling him that Trump was supporting the vaccine to set a trap for the
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globalists and so he could force their hand to reopen the economy.
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Alex has also said that Trump got tricked into supporting the vaccine development, but
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he's never said that it was a purely partisan political consideration on his own part to
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excuse that behavior.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Also, COVID happened after Hillary had lost the 2016 election, so I have no idea why she's
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coming up here.
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It's pretty insane to think that Alex could have acted the way he did and excused all
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the shit that he's completely philosophically against just because of a desire to keep Trump
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in office, who I should remind you is the person who is doing all the stuff Alex is
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philosophically against.
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He supported vaccines and boosters.
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He didn't get Alex and the weirdos back on social media.
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He didn't lock up Hillary.
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He didn't build a wall and kick out all the immigrants.
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He didn't free Julian Assange.
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All of this stuff should be fundamentally disqualifying for Alex, and yet he turned
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a blind eye because he didn't want a Democrat to win the presidency.
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That's weird.
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I mean, shouldn't you feel, and this obviously doesn't apply to him, obviously, Alex.
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This does not apply to Alex, but for me personally, I would feel shame if I was telling you that,
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by the way, when I said all of that stuff, I was betraying all of my principles for no
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reason other than that people made me feel like I should because I opposed them.
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And I was coming up with elaborate stories to pretend that I wasn't giving up on my principles.
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By rationalizing giving up on my principles for several years, I have learned that I was
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rationalizing giving up my principles for several years.
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You motherfuckers.
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I made up so many lieutenant colonels these last five years.
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Oh man, there were so many people who were fighting against the deep state who let me
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know that it was okay for me to betray all of my, what?
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Great.
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I don't want to sound too mean, but this is pathetic.
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Alex rejected the opportunity to stand up for all of his principles because he saw a
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possibility that someone who he kind of knew might be able to hang onto power.
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This isn't the sort of thing a person like who Alex pretends to be would do.
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It's what a coward does.
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And guess what?
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It didn't matter.
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Biden still won the 2020 election and here we are.
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Alex sold himself out for a presidential election, something his past self would never let him
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get away with.
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Yeah.
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And what has he got to show for it?
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Nothing.
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Basically nothing.
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It is.
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It is funny to go back and think about all of those positive comments from Glenn Greenwald
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and Matt Taibbi about how he was ahead of his time and he's sticking to his guns and
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that's why people didn't like him.
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It was because he refused to be a part of the two party system and then to hear him
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say, you know, uh, I'm thoroughly a part of the two party system.
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Sad.
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Quite sad.
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Yeah.
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Almost as sad.
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While I'm recording this, I'm seeing on Twitter that it looks like Laura Loomer might win
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her primary.
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Hell yeah.
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And uh, it's a heavily GOP district, so she's probably going to be in Congress.
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She's in.
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Oh my God.
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Come on.
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Put her right next to MTG.
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Oh my God.
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I think they should put them in a pulp mobile in the, in like in Congress they should be
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put behind glass so everybody can sometimes turn and look at them and go, oh look at that.
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We have, we have pets.
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Oh my God.
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She's going to be great.
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She's going to like handcuff herself to one door of Congress.
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Beautiful.
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Oh, more, more dumbness please.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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I can't handle this.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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Uh, Alex likes DeSantis now because he's getting pilled as hell.
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Sure.
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But that said, I am supporting DeSantis.
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DeSantis is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good and I don't just watch
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a man's actions as Christ said, judge a tree by its fruits.
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I can also look in his eyes on HD video, I see the real sincerity of a father and a husband
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who loves his children in this country and that he's getting red pilled more and more
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each day and that he's white pilled about the future and we stand up.
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I'm sorry, what?
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Black pilled if we don't.
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Yeah.
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That white pill, black pill thing is a convoluted.
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If you believe that there's a chance you can do something to alter the future, then you
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can't be black pilled.
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This is just Alex wanting to throw around pill language, willy nilly, pilly nilly, if
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you will.
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I won't.
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Alright, fine.
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Yeah.
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I think Alex may have some problems with DeSantis that he doesn't expect to come up because
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he doesn't really know much about him except for the shit he talks.
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Right.
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Like DeSantis does talk a fair amount of shit.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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But I think some of the positions that he holds could end up being a problem for Alex
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too.
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I don't know that he has a shiny new aspiring fascist to cheerlead for, but that light is
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only going to dim over time as DeSantis fails to live up to Alex's comically extremist expectations.
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But also this is just a bummer.
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Alex can just support no one.
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That's what he's supposed to be.
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The guy who isn't backing any individual because he's too busy rooting out corruption on both
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sides of the aisle.
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Having a candidate you're supporting kind of makes your whole watchdog thing seem a
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little false and it's really a repudiation of his entire character.
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And I put Ron Paul on the side because he was a perennial loser.
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He's just Ron Paul.
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He's never going to win and even if he did win, his function is to destroy the thing
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he was elected into.
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So it's different.
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If I were Alex, I would have gone back to Rand Paul or I would have just abandoned Trump
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without choosing a new hero.
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I have a strong sense of why Alex is doing the thing this way and we'll get into this
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over the course of the episode, but it's just so sad to see him go from a guy who's like
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I'm above it all to being like I'm gonna hedge my bets with a different GOP candidate.
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Here's my big problem with all of this.
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All of it.
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Which is one, he's supporting DeSantis for what?
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President?
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Um, no.
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For the governor of Florida.
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He's already the governor of Florida.
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He's gotta be re-elected.
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Fine.
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But what?
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He has not announced he's running for president.
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What do you mean?
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He's not going to...
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Oh my god.
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But even then, okay, so he's supporting DeSantis now.
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That doesn't mean anything.
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No, he's supporting him for president in the 2024 election.
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Obviously.
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But it's 2022.
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Who gives a fuck who you're supporting now?
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Right.
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Especially if that person is not...
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It's not even officially running for anything.
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And neither is Trump.
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And nobody is!
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Why are we talking about the 2024 presidential election?
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The world is burning now.
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Because I think that there's a dynamic going on that Alex got bit by the presidential election
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bug in 2015 and he just can't get enough.
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Sure.
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Like, I think that it's been so successful for him in terms of marketing, audience, attracting,
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like all kinds of things.
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People get really caught up in it.
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It's kind of, there's a sportsy element to it.
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Very much so.
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And I think he didn't tap into that much for his entire career because as much as you can
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cheer lead for Ron Paul during the early parts of the GOP primary where he's involved, that
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kind of dies down and then you just got to talk shit about all the candidates.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And great.
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Hooray.
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But now it's, it's, you gotta, you know, in the same way that people started talking about
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the midterms after the general election, you know, Alex is just jumping the gun.
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He's over eager for the general election.
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I mean, here's the problem though.
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I don't care.
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And I feel like if you're one of the people who wrote that, an infinite number of Alex
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Jones finally turned on Trump stories, if you're talking about that, then you're talking
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about the 2024 election of which there's no reason to speak of.
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Yeah.
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It's silly.
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I wish I had a couple, I wish I had some names, but I did see a couple of articles that did
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a good job of pointing out, um, maybe not in the lead of the story, but in the body
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of the article, like he has done this a bunch of times when he has been seeking attention
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or publicity stunts.
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That's nice.
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That's nice.
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So like the, there have been people who've, some people who have called out that Alex
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does this a bit, but that definitely was not the prevailing attitude on social media and,
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uh, and a number of other, uh, media places.
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But even then, if you pointed out in the body of the article and the headline is still this,
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you're using his bullshit for your clicks.
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That's what it is.
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So regardless of how well a job you do in your writing, the headline is bullshit.
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It's a tough line to draw tough balance and maybe some people didn't, uh, some people
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whiff.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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But look, this is not what, um, it's, it appears to be, this is not a throwing out
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Trump and bringing in DeSantis.
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And that is the perception that you would get if you didn't pay much attention, right?
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He has basic self preservation instincts and I'm a DeSantis guy.
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And if we can use DeSantis leadership to get Trump back on the straight and narrow, that's
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all the better.
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But Trump will not talk about his poison vaccines anymore.
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That's a plus, but he still says he won't say the V word, but he's still proud of it.
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So yeah, he, he just is really interested in getting Trump away from the vaccines.
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DeSantis is a solid thrust, uh, that Alex is pushing, um, and, uh, he's like, Hey, you
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even have a scapegoat here, man, just blame Fauci.
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That's all Trump needs to do is say, I was lied to by Burks and Fauci and they were holding
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the country hostage and I thought it was a regular vaccine.
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And it turns out, you know, they shouldn't be pushing it on shoulder.
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They shouldn't be making people take it.
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He's already saying that, but he needs to come out all the way and say, I was lied to
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and decouple his pig headed, but that I still love.
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He's he's real.
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He's just pig headed.
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So you said earlier when he's fighting for us, it's not when he won't admit he's wrong.
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Bolsonaro apologized and said it was bad from the start.
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I shouldn't have halfway supported it though.
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I was never for forced injection.
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And now the Santas has come out in a bunch of speeches and said, this is bad news.
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That's all we want.
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So we can stop poisoning the newborn babies and the six month olds and everybody.
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And they got public schools all over blue cities and blue States trying to make the
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injections mandatory to go to school.
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Damn it.
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So I think he's editorializing a little bit on Bolsonaro's comments, but, um, yeah, he
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apologized after he went to the hospital the fifth time.
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Yeah.
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And he's, he's, I mean, the, the one that's just, you know, he's got his head up his ass.
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I think he had an impacted bowel for a while and then they removed it and then he was anti-vaccine.
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I think that's how it went.
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So Trump is pig headed and what have you, but Alex said earlier that he supported Trump
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because he was being pig headed.
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It's an interesting point.
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Shouldn't that make him support Trump further?
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Hmm.
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Nah.
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Okay.
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Fair enough.
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He also still supports Trump and Trump is pig headed, but if he was pig headed in the
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right direction, then everything would be fine.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Alex is saying, I'm a big baby.
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Wham, wham, wham.
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Please listen to me.
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Wham, wham, wham.
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He's just begging Trump.
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Yeah.
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So I choose children over Trump and I'm going to say it.
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I'm not going to get sucked into politics and just support Trump because I hate the
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Democrats.
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Okay.
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And if he doesn't come out against these shots and if he doesn't stand with the children
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and he doesn't go on the offense to admit there's major problems, then I'm, I'm really
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caught between a rock and a hard place because I don't want Kamala Harris or Michael Obama
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or any of those people.
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What?
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I know you don't, but I cannot support Trump when the evidence is out that it's killing
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all these people and maiming others if he continues to do this.
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And I think we should open the phones up today on this subject.
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So yeah, here's what's going on.
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As we're going to experience throughout the course of this episode, Alex is torn between
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supporting Trump and DeSantis.
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There are pros and cons with both.
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With DeSantis, he's got a lot of policy positions that the audience wants to hear.
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And most importantly, he's been a strong opponent of vaccines, or at least that's the way he's
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allowed himself to be portrayed.
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On the flip side, DeSantis is not going to give Alex the opportunity to pretend to be
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his friend.
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He's an actual politician who knows better than to make that kind of an association.
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It's going to be crippling in the long term.
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He's too young.
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He has a, he has a career ahead of him.
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He's got a future.
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Conversely, Trump is fine letting weirdos into the inner circle and Alex has the best
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shot of staying relevant with Trump around.
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Plus Alex's buddies with Roger Stone, so the connection with Trump there is pretty important.
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I think they'd probably not talk anymore if Alex flipped.
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Well it's more likely for Alex to get some sort of pardon or whatever should that need
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arise from Trump as opposed to DeSantis.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what things Alex could be pardoned for by Trump.
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I mean at this point you want a preemptive pardon from the president for whatever.
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There's a pro, there's a good chance you're committing a crime just by being around him.
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Just in case.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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The problem is that Trump supports vaccines.
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This is a big deal because Alex's audience is aggressively anti-vax and they don't like
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Trump as much anymore because of it.
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But this ceases to be a problem if Alex can just convince Trump to become anti-vax.
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That will be a much easier fix than trying to get DeSantis to be an Infowars guy.
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And I think that's what this whole pageant has been about over the course of this episode
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and then this video that Alex puts out later.
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There were two goals.
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He's trying to threaten Trump like he did with Rogan into condemning vaccines by saying
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that he's going to leave them.
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You sneaky snake.
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Yeah.
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And he's trying to score as much free publicity as possible from rubes who feel like they're
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actually dunking on him.
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Third, there's probably an element here that he's soft pitching to the audience the actual
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idea of becoming into DeSantis fully.
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Sure.
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Because I think you want to see how the audience responds to that.
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You heard him say we're going to take some calls.
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Right.
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Right.
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We're going to put the feelers out there.
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Right.
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And also you've got plenty of time for the election that is several years away.
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Yep.
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You certainly do.
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Yeah.
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You got plenty of time.
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Let's put that in the news.
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Alex changes his support for candidate who is not yet running for president.
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To another guy who's not yet running for president.
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Exactly.
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God damn it.
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Another thing I want to point out here is that Ron Flipkowski, this Twitter account,
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posted a 40 second clip of Alex saying that he was supporting DeSantis, which as I was
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preparing this episode had over 2,500 retweets and had been watched by almost 900,000 people.
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This clip is inaccurate and it's actually manipulatively edited in order to present
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an image that Ron wants to convey, as opposed to what's actually being said by Alex in his
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episode.
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His clip entirely omits the part where Alex is clearly saying that if Trump would just
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stop that shit with the vaccines then there wouldn't be a problem, and I think that that's
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a major component of what Alex is saying here.
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It would be one thing if this was actually a straight up episode where Alex is like,
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I'm done with Trump.
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Let's just go with DeSantis.
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But that's not what's going on here.
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If you posted an abbreviated clip of that and it captured what Alex was saying, fine.
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If he said I was going to shove DeSantis up his dirty asshole, that's a whole different
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story.
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Sure.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because he's never done something like that before.
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Nope.
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So accounts like this farm attention and social media clout by posting things that their audience
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wants to hear.
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This Ron fella knows that there's a pretty solidly Democratic voter base that follow
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him, and it would give them a sense of schadenfreude to hear that Trump had lost his most zealous
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and rabid supporter, and so this is the clip that's provided, and it pays off really well.
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Actually conveying what Alex is saying wouldn't be as emotionally appealing to the people
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who he's hoping will retweet this because it's complicated, and as much as it pains
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me to say this, it makes sense.
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Alex has actually pretended to turn on Trump in far more extreme ways in the past, and
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this isn't even really an act of abandonment.
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It's very clear that this serves two possible purposes.
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Get Trump to be anti-vax so the ship can be steady, or create a paper trail that Alex
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can use as a rationale to fully detach from Trump later when he needs to.
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Like I gave him the shot.
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Right.
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What do you want me to do?
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I feel like the story that I'm missing from all of these people is shame.
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I would like more shame for how many times I've seen Ron Filipkowski embedded in a fucking
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Guardian article, or in the Rolling Stone, or whomever is embedding him.
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Feel shame!
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Why doesn't anybody feel shame anymore, Dan?
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Well I kind of understand the reason why, like I think that a lot of these outlets don't
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have the time to get their own clips, and those clips are there.
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I feel like that is a legitimate excuse.
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If you don't have time to do a good job, do a shitty job and then act like it's fine because
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you don't have time.
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You make a fair point.
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I really resent people who act like this Twitter account do, because it's essentially doing
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the same thing that Alex does.
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If you just say Alex chose DeSantis over Trump, or make implications that the rats are leaving
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a sinking ship, that's essentially the equivalent of Alex skimming a headline, and then each
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party here just makes the narrative up that they want to attach to the headline based
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on what they want the headline to mean.
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But then you're saying that the people who embed him are doing the exact same thing Alex
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does by skimming that headline from Ron Filipkowski.
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Less knowingly, perhaps.
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Maybe, but that's still, ugh!
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Shane!
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I don't want to belabor the point, but there's a reason I'm stressing this.
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We're going to get to it here, so a little bit after this episode, a couple days later,
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Alex put out a video that's supposed to be an emergency message to Trump, explaining
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that he was just trying to get his attention and get him to ditch the vaccines.
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This is completely in line with the message that Alex was putting out on his show on Wednesday,
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but it is not in line with the narrative that Ron was selling on Twitter, in the video that
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almost a million people watched.
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And so, when Alex puts out his emergency message, this video is kind of an opportunity for Ron
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to incorporate it with the narrative that he's constructed.
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He posted a 35 second clip from the video with this text, quote, getting some blowback
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after he announced Thursday that he was backing DeSantis over Trump now, Alex Jones issues
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an emergency message to Trump saying he was simply trying to persuade him to change his
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position on the vaccines with some tough love.
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It very well may be that Alex got some blowback from the audience, but I'd be surprised
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if it was very severe, or if it would even matter at all in changing Alex's mind.
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If you gauge the temperature of his audience from user comments on his website and callers,
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they aren't really that opposed to moving past Trump, and DeSantis is a really appealing
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option for the extreme right wing.
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Making that pivot would likely only cost Alex's proximity to power, and probably a couple
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guests might stop coming on, and Roger, that might get iffy.
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So I don't know how that would play out, but that, I don't know if that's a bridge that
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Alex can't afford to burn.
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Roger's already on Mike Lindell's network, it's not like they're intimately entwined
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anymore.
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Right, I mean, it's just one of those things where, why, why are we doing this?
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It feels like everybody is making poor choices simultaneously in defiance of the very obvious
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good choice.
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Yeah.
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It's terrible.
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Well, I think that a lot of people don't realize the game that's being played.
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Right.
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They don't realize that they're playing with a shady character.
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Also it makes sense for the people not to give a shit if he abandons Trump, because
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we've already done cuckoo bananas in the White House.
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Now I'm sure that at least more than enough people are like, what if we tried somebody
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with a basic level of competence?
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Ooh.
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Also, Alex knows that there's not really that much of a consequence for saying you're turning
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on Trump, because he's done it a bunch.
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He's done it a ton of times.
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Yeah.
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The consequence is he gets more attention.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But the larger picture here is that that tweet is acting like what Alex is saying in that
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emergency video that he put out a couple of days later is incongruent with the message
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that he was putting out on his show.
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And that's not true.
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And this is a huge problem.
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And in order to explain why, I need to play the 30 second section of Alex's video that
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Ron posted.
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This is from that emergency message.
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So this is my emergency message to you, Mr. President, to go and actually watch the first
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30 minutes of Thursday's show.
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We'll put a link to it below here so you can see what I said in context.
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The corporate media edited down a 30 second clip to make it sound like that I'm only for
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DeSantis and that I've abandoned you.
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That's not true.
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It's the contrary.
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I understand you're under attack.
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I understand you are surrounded and I'm trying to get you to reassess the situation.
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What Alex is saying is true.
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If people got the impression that Alex was abandoning Trump and they took him up on that
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challenge of listening to the 30 minutes, the first 30 minutes of this show from Wednesday,
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they would come away from that with the conclusion that the clip they were shown on Twitter actually
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was out of context and it didn't capture what Alex is saying.
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The only real problem I have with what Alex is saying there is that Ron Flipkowski is
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not the corporate media.
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The danger in this is that Alex always says that he's being taken out of context and he
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basically never is.
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Ron actually is taking Alex out of context and he's running a very serious risk of giving
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people the reason to increase their level of trust in Alex and decrease their trust
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in critical voices of the extreme right.
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Right.
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He is being taken out of context here, so who's to say if he's actually being taken
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in context about all that Sandy Hook stuff?
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You know?
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Hey, let's do a bad job.
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We don't have time for a good job.
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Come on.
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By playing Alex's game, you've exposed people to Alex in a way that if they look into these
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clips any deeper, they'll come away with the conclusion that Alex is right and that Ron
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took him out of context.
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And this isn't a small deal either.
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These videos get hundreds of thousands of views on Twitter and spread all over the place.
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As you've already mentioned, many news outlets don't have the resources to hunt down these
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video clips, so you'll often see them repost clips from his account and by proxy, they're
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taking Alex out of context.
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It's dangerous and more of note, it's a pretty predictable system you could game if you wanted
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to if you're Alex.
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Now there's a second thing I need to point out and that this is a short clip Ron is taking
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from this emergency video.
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It's approximately five minutes into the video that Alex put out.
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The video does involve Alex restating that he's trying to play hardball to get Trump
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to go anti-vax, basically pulling the I'm really leaving this time type threat.
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That's fair, but that's not what the video is about.
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The first five full minutes are a breakdown of Alex's main COVID vaccine talking points.
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Basically he's distilling it down to like, he's pretending to have a briefing for Trump,
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giving talking points.
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That's what the first five minutes of this nine minute video is where the last two minutes
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are a fucking commercial.
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So the more important thing, like what that video actually is, is Alex clarifying and
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providing the talking points should Trump watch that video.
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I mean, why are we even posting it anyways if it's theoretically a message to someone
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who will never in a million years watch it?
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Two reasons.
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One, to capitalize on the media attention that he got out of trending for supposedly
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turning on Trump.
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Of course.
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And second, Alex in that video claims that some people that he knows who know Trump were
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like, hey man, what's the fucking deal?
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Sure, sure.
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I don't, I don't believe that.
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Okay.
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Giuliani emailed him like, hey man, what are you doing?
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Right?
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Yeah.
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So framing this video as being Alex backpedaling only serves to strengthen the original out
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of context framing that was crafted by Ron's original tweet.
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In essence, he's putting out information that just lives in a false reality that he's designed
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for his audience, whether intentionally or not.
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It's one that he probably thinks is benign, like this reality and information thing, but
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it's a bad idea.
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Even if you accept that this series of poorly contextualized clips are being put out as
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the result of a honest, innocent mistake, the information model that's being used for
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this Twitter account is not good.
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It's one that plays directly into the games that the people he's covering use and they
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have a responsibility to do better because there is a massive audience that is viewing
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this content and as you pointed out, it's something that's being used as a resource
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for larger media.
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And I don't know, like I have a really tough time with it because I see this stuff come
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up all the time.
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I see these clips all the time from his account being everywhere.
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And I don't know enough about a number of the things to know if these are out of context.
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But I know enough about Alex that I can see these and I can say that's not fair.
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Alex sucks, but that's not fair.
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It should be required for everyone who posts anything about Alex Jones to listen to the
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first How Not To Cover Alex Jones episode because over time, we've done several hundred
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How Not To Cover Alex Jones episodes and I feel like we're back in the same spot.
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Yeah, it does.
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I mean, unforced errors are made a bunch and yeah, it's unfortunate.
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I think it's because people think that they're dealing with something that is not as dangerous
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as it is.
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You know what I mean?
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Right, right, right.
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I think that there is a blase nature that is taken towards coverage of this.
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Like haha, you lost your cheerleader guy, haha.
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And I can understand how it's emotionally gratifying to do that.
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Right.
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You're never gonna defeat the dopamine rush of feeling good for two seconds and then going
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back to your day.
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You bet.
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Yeah.
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You bet.
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But the flip side of it is that like let's say, you know, there's a million people who
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watch this video.
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Let's say, I don't know, one percent go look into it and see that Alex was taken out of
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context and maybe like, what's this Alex actually all about?
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How many people have you misled down a terrible path?
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And even though they're 99 percent who don't look into anything, you have just given useless
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information to that isn't accurate.
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Yeah, one of my favorite things.
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It's not a, like, it's a waste.
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Yeah, no, one of my favorite things about the media, whatever that may be, you know,
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the corporate media, blah, blah, blah, is that they, after Trump was elected, they took
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stock of themselves.
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They realized that they too played a part in destroying the America that we used to
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know and electing Trump.
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And then they changed their model to, wait, did they do that?
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I think maybe a few folks.
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Great.
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So anyway, I just think that everyone, maybe just that account should do better.
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Anyway, look, Trump has made some improvement.
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On what?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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Now he's already turned the ship around about 80 degrees.
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What?
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What does that mean?
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Well, now he needs to turn it around all the rest of the way.
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All the rest of the way from 100 degrees?
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100 degrees.
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Okay.
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The opposite direction, but he's only turned partway away.
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Okay, fine.
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He's only turned partway around.
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We need a full turning around and going the opposite direction because I will not be part
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of the poisoning of these six month old babies, damn it.
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Damn it.
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And I don't mean that as taking the Lord's name in vain.
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I mean, damn these people to hell, including Trump, if he doesn't stop it.
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People are our enemies.
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So I like the idea of Trump going 180 and I guess becoming a globalist, welcoming in
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immigrants with open arms.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I think there's not good people on both sides.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what should we go for?
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Is he really looking for more of an extra 160 degrees to get them at a different clockwise
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angle because you don't want to go a full 180 degrees.
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You go 240 degrees.
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His metaphor wasn't good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was a bad metaphor.
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But again, the important thing to remember is that Alex is saying like, Hey, you're doing
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some good stuff.
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Right.
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Essentially the message is Trump, you're doing some good stuff.
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You just need to stop it with the vaccines.
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Right.
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My audience will not tolerate you not being anti-vax because under you and operation warp
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speed, that's what brought these vaccines about.
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We need you to accept that it was wrong.
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Disavow it.
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Exactly.
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Of course.
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It's too big of a hurdle for you just to ignore.
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It's great that you're shutting up about vaccines and how you want people to get boosters, but
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you need to go the other way.
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How about the new headlines for this are Alex attempts carrot and stick towards person not
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paying attention to him.
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We give him more attention for it.
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Or it'd be great if the headline was like inside jokes for us.
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Like Alex tries to give Trump the Rogan treatment.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That would be good.
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Alex re re litigating nine 11 with Rogan.
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Yeah.
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Something along those lines.
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So yeah, DeSantis is better than Trump, but I kind of hear this statement almost as a
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like, you hear this Trump?
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You hear me saying this?
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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DeSantis is again, just over the top with what he's doing.
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This is absolutely presidential material.
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This is what Trump should be like.
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And I've been hammering this point and he's doing it now and we have someone that is better
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than Trump, way better than Trump.
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And I want Trump to decouple himself from the poison shot now, but I'm not going to
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sit here and hold my breath.
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But that is opening the door that if it does change my breath, I mean, he's nagging Trump.
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He's like, he's, he's fucking hitting on Trump.
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He's complimenting DeSantis cause he's trying to fuck Trump.
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Like that's what's happening here.
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He's even using some of the same rhetorical flourishes towards DeSantis that he always
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does with Trump.
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Well, God has given us DeSantis, make no mistake about that.
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For what?
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And I got a message for president Trump.
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You are the real president, you are elected by a landslide.
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I have fought for you.
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95% of what you've done has been incredible.
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You have amazing courage and energy and I respect you, but if you continue to let this
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poison be pushed on our people and our children, I'm coming after you, I'm not risking coming
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after fuck off and going through hell to sit here and then have it on my conscience.
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All these dead and dying children and others that are taking your stupid evil warp speed
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crap that you got fooled and roped into.
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He's just trying to escalate this negative threat on the other side in order to be like,
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it's carrot and stick, exactly what you're talking about.
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This is pathetic.
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This is stupid.
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Also, I forgot about that.
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I forgot that he still believes in that Trump won.
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How can you switch to another candidate if you think that the entire election is a fucking
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fake and that Trump should legitimately be president?
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And if that's the case, then Trump shouldn't be allowed cause it would be his third term.
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Exactly.
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And you're supposed to be the tip of the spear.
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You should be the people not even talking about candidates.
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You should be like, we need to continue the fight to get Trump back in the office that
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he theoretically won.
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He doesn't need to do that cause Lindell's got that covered.
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Oh my God.
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That's true.
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That is true.
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You've already got a, you've already got a warrior on that front.
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Lindell's keeping the fire.
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So look, there's a lot of people who are delusional about vaccines that get them and Alex proves
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this in a very succinct fashion.
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Look at this.
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Jack Pacific retweeted it, Patricia Carvalas.
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Look at this.
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This is a real tweet.
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I just had my fourth dose after receiving, listen to this carefully.
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I just had my fourth dose after recovering three months.
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Listen to that again.
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I've just had my fourth dose after recovering three months from actively having COVID-19.
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No, you have the spike protein poisoning you sweetheart.
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Read it again.
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I've just had my fourth dose after recovering three months of actively having COVID-19.
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Now listen to the Stockholm syndrome, listen to the mind control, and I'm very happy to
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be boosted.
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Thanks science.
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So she murders logic here, doesn't see what's being done and then has the cult statement
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of thanks science.
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Like she's just trumped everybody.
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That was a tweet.
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Yeah.
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Can you imagine like an actual news outlet doing any kind of coverage of like, ah, someone
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tweeted that they got vaccinated and they didn't get COVID and had no side effects.
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Haha.
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I mean, here's the even weirder part.
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How do you know this is a real person's account?
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This is like 1920s newspapers and including the part where he has a misogynist comment
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about her.
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Hey, listen sweetheart.
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Like that's somebody writing in the New York Times in the 20s like, oh, this lovely young
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woman walking through the street said, I got a vaccine yesterday for polio and this sweetheart
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is looking good.
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Like what are you doing?
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Yes.
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It's insane.
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Well, so this next clip, Alex proceeds talking about, he's still sort of responding to this
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tweet.
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And he, I don't know, I don't know.
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That sentence should be more different.
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That was the fun thing about listening to Dave and Gareth on the show is as they were
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reacting to it, I re I got reminded of the first episode we did, especially when the
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prayer happened and they were like, ah, and I was like, this doesn't even phase us anymore.
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This means nothing to me.
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We need the hard stuff.
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Exactly.
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We're heroin junkies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There was something really, um, sort of, I was taken aback by that because I had forgotten
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even that like, oh, people are normal.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Even people who are exposed to a lot of horrible stories on their own podcast still, this is
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still surprising to some people.
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So as Alex is talking, you're not even going to be prepared for what's coming and probably
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you'll be able to handle it, but for some reason, Alex's brain thinks of maybe a documentary
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that he's seen about sex workers.
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I believe he's talking about hookers on the point.
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Okay.
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I think that's what he's talking about.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And this leads to a protracted, uh, rambling about hookers on the point.
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Okay.
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I forget the name of the show.
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I'm not a huge TV watcher, but it was on 15, 16, 17 years ago about pimps and prostitutes.
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They pimps was this prostitute with cigarette burns all over and broken arm and leg beat
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up by her pimp.
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And he did.
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She's in the hospital room and the pimp comes in and she says to the pimp right in front
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of the poor woman's mother, front of the sex slaves, mother, baby, she says the pimp, I'm
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going to get better.
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I'm going to get back up on my feet.
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I'm going to get back down the street, baby, please don't Oh, baby.
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And they started interviewing the pimp and they go, well, how do you treat her?
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He goes, I treat her bad.
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That's how she likes it.
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Well, how much do you pay her?
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I pay her nothing.
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I might give her a bucket of chicken.
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And that's the American people.
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And that's the left.
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That's the American people left for this mind control, the Stockholm syndrome, right?
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She's had four shots.
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She's been sick for months after the first few shots.
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And now she's gotten another shot and thinks COVID's taken her life over.
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But this shot was 100% effective, they said.
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But the shot gives you the disease.
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But she can't help it.
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She can't admit she was lied to.
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She can't admit the system's out to get her.
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Just like that poor prostitute with broken arm and leg and cigarette burns all over her
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and her hair falling out, you tell she'd been a beautiful woman.
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And in comes the swaggering, arrogant devil right in front of the mother.
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Oh, baby, baby, I'm sorry, I'm so let you down, I'm going to get back on the street
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right now as soon as I get better.
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Oh, baby.
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It's not good.
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It's not good.
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It's not good.
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That's right.
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You better get your ass back on the street, bitch.
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Jesus Christ.
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And the mother looks at him and says, what have you done to my baby?
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What have you done to my baby?
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He says, shut up, you old bitch.
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I can't believe I missed doing this show.
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This is a family show, first of all.
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Alex is really getting into that.
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He was embodying the character.
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Yeah, that was some method acting.
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It was a little problematic.
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Yeah, it was very problematic.
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He said pimp and shot so many times, they both lost meaning to me.
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Yeah.
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I think, I mean, look, in my time, I watched some hookers on the point, it was titillating
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when I was 10 or something, you know, I was out in that era.
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I think this is that, but I don't remember this particularly.
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I only recognize this from other times Alex has told this story and played these characters.
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This is something that really stuck out in his mind.
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I really don't like how much he minor like compliments the pimp in this.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like, in comes the swaggering devil.
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He calls him a devil.
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But the swaggering devil is kind of a compliment.
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Some people say you're a handsome devil, that's a compliment.
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And then he's got the voice, the voice is not a like, he's trying to be like cool.
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It's unfortunate.
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I don't appreciate it.
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I wanted to keep that clip in full just to get the really, the experience of how long
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this goes on.
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Yeah.
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It goes on longer.
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I don't think Ron Philip Cowsie is posting that one.
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No.
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Maybe he should.
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Maybe.
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So Alex talks a little bit about Tucker and how he's maybe spreading some bullshit about
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how the FBI planted bombs on January 6th.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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It's totally in the white papers or something.
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I love it.
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Tucker Carlson is taking it into the danger zone as well.
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Everybody's up in their game or they're rolling over.
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I should point out, this is right after he came in from break to the danger zone.
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So it was on break.
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Yeah.
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Well, okay.
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Yeah.
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I was going to say, that makes sense.
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You're either going to get more hardcore or you're going to die.
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You're going to either fight or you're going to be a slave.
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Carlson came right out, we'll hit it next segment, and said the FBI is the prime suspect
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with the pipe bombs and laid out the evidence January 6th.
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As it just came out, the FBI planted the pipe bombs and the bombs with the Whitmer case.
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Now that they're having the next trial, they already found the other people basically hung
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juries in the whole Whitmer kidnapping plat that was fake.
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That's all coming out.
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So it's an incredible time to be alive.
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This is unfortunate bullshit for Alex to be spreading because on August 23rd, the day
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we're recording this episode, the final two defendants in the Whitmer kidnapping case
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were found guilty by a jury of conspiracy to kidnap.
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Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr. are definitely going to jail, and their defense tried to
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use the entrapment argument, which was unsuccessful.
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This was their second trial after the first one in April resulted in a hung jury.
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Alex is citing that in this episode, unaware that a few days later they'd be convicted.
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Two other accused conspirators were acquitted, and two others pled guilty.
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So honestly, it doesn't seem like this whole thing fell apart at all.
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Actually, quite the opposite.
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Yeah, it was a four out of six, something along those lines, yeah.
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Also, the prosecution alleges that Croft actually made some explosives using mortar shells from
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fireworks that were packed with shrapnel.
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Nothing Alex says has any connection to reality whatsoever.
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Can you imagine, like Carlson saying this shit is actually absolutely insane.
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Like there's, this has been normalized so much, but can you imagine if a major news
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network came on shortly after JFK was assassinated?
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Like, okay, sure, it could be that guy, but maybe it was the fucking FBI who murdered
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JFK.
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And then everybody would just be like, huh, interesting point.
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Or you know, maybe JFK wasn't even real.
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He was a puppet.
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It was a paper mache cutout, and JFK Jr. actually is an immortal JFK.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, that makes more sense than anything.
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I'm getting an update from Twitter.
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Yeah.
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It looks like Loomer might have lost the primary.
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She looked like she was ahead for a bit, but it looks like she might have lost.
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All right.
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She can all breathe a little bit easier.
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I don't know.
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There might be a recount.
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God knows.
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So who knows?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, let's get back to some actual news here.
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Alex is reading some headlines.
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Sure, sure.
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Let's get back to the stack I was already mentioning.
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Stackies.
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Top Biden advisor, Anita Dunn divulges a massive conflict of interest.
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She worked for Pfizer.
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But it's okay.
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I've just had my fourth dose after recovering three months from actually having COVID after
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the first shots, and I'm very happy to be boosted.
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Thanks, science.
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Yeah, it doesn't work.
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It's all a lie.
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Thanks, science.
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They're getting a lot of mileage out of that tweet.
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Yeah.
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So Dunn is an advisor for Biden, but she doesn't really have a conflict of interest, really.
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She didn't work for Pfizer.
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She worked for a consulting firm called SKDK, one of whose clients was Pfizer.
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She also was the Obama White House Communications Director for a while in 2009 and has worked
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on a shitload of Democratic candidates' campaigns.
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Yeah, I was going to say, I think I remember her.
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Yeah.
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This isn't a big deal.
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But maybe it's a big deal, but not in the way Alex is making it.
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Alex doesn't know the basics of the story he's covering, but he's made up something
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he can work with and then juxtapose it with that tweet, which I guess is a dunk for him.
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This is just dumb.
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There's nothing going on here.
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I'd be fine with considering that a conflict of interest if we also considered Obama appointing
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like Geithner as Treasury Secretary, a conflict of interest.
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You shouldn't be able to be- Well, then let's not even start to unpack
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Trump's appointments.
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Exactly.
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Let's leave that alone.
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Look, if you want to talk about the culture in Washington, fine.
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Yeah.
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Let's go for it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nobody's going to complain.
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Right.
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That's a different conversation than the way Alex is playing this.
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Anita Dunn was nearby.
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So Alex does take some calls, and the first one who comes in suggests, hey man, maybe
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we get MTG on a ticket.
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Oh my God.
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MTG?
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Just light us on fire.
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Good afternoon, Alex.
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I have a suggestion.
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You know, Trump has got a lot of legal problems right now, all right?
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He's getting old.
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He's had a real, real good record of endorsing candidates.
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He should graciously step aside, endorse DeSantis, and have MTG as their running mate for Vice
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President.
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I love it.
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Why do you think Trump obviously is not stupid and knows the shot was a lie?
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Why is he being pigheaded?
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You know, I don't know whether it's threats against his family or whether he just doesn't
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listen to people.
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I don't know, but this is a way out of it for him.
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He can step out of the whole mess with the vaccines by doing this.
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Beautifully said, Spike.
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Anything else?
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The prosecutor and the judge are not human in your trial, I hate to tell you.
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They're replicants of some kind.
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Ooh.
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Well, that took a turn.
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That is such a great, regular suggestion of something that is pretty crazy.
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You know, like, let's put MTG in the White House.
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That's fucking insane.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then to follow it up with, the judge is a replicant, should really disqualify the
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earlier one.
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And prosecutor, so that's Mark.
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Yeah, Mark as well.
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We all know Mark is a replicant.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I honestly, I'm willing to believe it's possible he was joking, but I don't know.
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I, exact, we're in the danger zone, if you will, of joking about whether or not someone
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is a replicant.
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Yeah.
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So, but I mean, I think that, you know, you can tell from that call, he is not someone
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who is like, you know, you have to stick with Trump.
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Yeah, no, he's fine.
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That's not blown back.
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Trump should step aside is pretty hardcore, let's get rid of Trump.
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Yeah.
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So here's another caller.
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How you doing?
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Just a little insight on Trump and the vaccine, are you there?
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I am, sir.
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Sir.
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Yeah.
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So I, yeah, I'm listening a lot, but I've never heard this brought up.
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I read Anthony Fauci, I mean, Kennedy's book on Anthony Fauci, and he expresses in there
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that Trump took a million dollars from Pfizer and I just never heard anybody bring that
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up.
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He did.
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Trump took campaign money.
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I think it's more than a million.
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That seems like now that you're talking about a conflict of interest for Anita Dunn, it
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really seems important to bring this one up, right?
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Well, I mean, it's just, there's that fascinating thing that Alex does with his awareness.
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You know, like all of a sudden it becomes okay to admit that the reality that everyone
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knows is there.
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Like this guy is saying, why doesn't anyone bring this up?
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It's a pointed question that is not, the tip of the spear isn't there.
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And that is, why didn't you talk about this?
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This isn't like his 2020 campaign.
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This was 2016.
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Like this is, yeah.
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And Alex's whole presentation has been like, Trump funded his own campaign.
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He spent millions, you know, he's self funded, he didn't take money from these other interests.
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That's why he was such a straight shooter.
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Right.
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This is totally an indictment of Alex's false presentation that he's had for five years.
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And Alex is so casually like, yep, he did.
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And not only that, it was more.
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Totally.
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That's just such a, that's such proof or a demonstration that what he's doing is gatekeeping
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this negative information from his audience.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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And that's, that's pretty sad.
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And that they, and they themselves should be really bummed out about everything that
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they think personally, if they are not capable for one instant of applying these criticisms
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retroactively to Trump from the very start.
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You know, like, oh, I don't know why he's being pigheaded.
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Maybe he just doesn't listen to people.
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Well, go back.
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Go back in time.
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Let's go back to that earlier time period when we were all so young.
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Maybe he wasn't listening to people then.
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Do you not understand?
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So here's something that's slightly positive about Trump.
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Trump at this time is working to boost the primary candidates because he has this massive
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following and which would also help the Santas, whether he runs as VP or runs as president,
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because it's going to help create an America first agenda no matter what.
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We need to get out of this threat.
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No, I know.
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That's the paradox.
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Trump's getting a lot of good people elected.
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Not a paradox.
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He's trading momentum.
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So he's, he's a flawed vessel, but that's why I'm still behind him.
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Absolutely.
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Still behind him.
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So we're having this positive, but the audience also, it's kind of like wishy washy.
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They don't really care, but also there's some other negative things about Trump.
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We just want fascism.
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We don't really care who brings it to us.
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As long as they're white.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And a man.
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Yep.
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Unless it's Marjorie Taylor Greene and then maybe we'll make an exception.
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Exactly.
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But, uh, look, there's other things about Trump that apparently Alex just decided not
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to tell his audience.
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Sure.
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Hello, Alex.
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Um, I would like to encourage the United States to realize that Donald Trump and his family
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are working for the World Economic Forum and that's why we're not going to get leadership
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from Donald Trump is because he's in on it.
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Until he proves otherwise, he's in on it.
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His daughter is the World Economic Forum young global leader.
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He put his daughter in the White House.
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That's right.
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Her and Jared Kushner are working for the other side.
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There's no doubt about that.
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There is no doubt about it and Trump's working for the other side too.
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This kind of conversation is pretty, uh...
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Why doesn't this apply retroactively?
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Why doesn't this apply retroactively?
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If you're saying that he's working for the World Economic Forum, shouldn't you then go
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back to it?
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Maybe this caller does.
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Oh, that's true.
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That is possible.
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We don't know what this caller believes fully, but yeah.
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I wonder also, I mean, some of this stuff really makes a question that 98-95% right
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about stuff.
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Yeah, it does.
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He's already, he's already several things wrong.
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But actually I know a way around this.
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Alex in his heart knew all this stuff, so he was right about these things.
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He just lied.
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That is a good point about the Alex Jones is right crowd.
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I was right.
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I just told you the wrong thing on purpose because it worked better.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones was right is a different story if you're like, well, he's lying to us for
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good reasons.
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Yeah.
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In his heart he was right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, great.
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Cool.
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So Savannah Hernandez comes on.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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That's about the right response.
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I can't stand listening to her in the same way that I have a tough time with that Patrick
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Hawley guy and Harrison Smith, the three of them have a real baby reporter vibe to me.
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There's that, I don't know, there's just something about their delivery that I find like, it
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just, it would be good voice acting for a cartoon about, you know, child detectives,
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but a reporter.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They don't have chops.
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They have zero chops.
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And they're young too.
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They could learn chops, but right now, no chops.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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And so she has a big scoop here about, she has a whistleblower about some human trafficking
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going on that she should be careful, this might veer into defamation territory.
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So this is government corruption and like you said, essentially child smuggling happening
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on a federal level, MVM Inc, the same company that was already caught shipping migrants
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in the middle of the night to New York City, they signed a federal contract with Joe Biden's
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administration back in 2021 for $136 million.
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So I want people to understand that the biggest and most sinister angle of this story is that
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we are passing off innocent children to unvetted and properly identified adults via our taxpayer
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dollars.
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Joe Biden funding all of this.
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So this is a rare instance where Savannah Hernandez is not covering a completely false
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story.
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It's just that it's not a new story.
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The Daily Beast reported on the Biden administration having contracts with MVM Inc for transporting
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immigrants back in May, 2021.
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Savannah's report doesn't cover anything that's not already pretty well established as public
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information, but she does present it as coming from a secret whistleblower who has to appear
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with their face blurred out.
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So it's big stuff.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Conversely, the Daily Beast actually did some reporting on the story because spoiler alert,
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this was actually a followup article to the one that they wrote in June, 2018 about the
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same stuff.
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How much?
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Alex and Savannah probably don't want to think about that though, because that was during
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the Trump times.
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And back then this MVM had a $162 million contract with the government compared to the
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$136 million contract they have under Biden.
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The actual story here is that their contract was lowered from this higher amount that Trump
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paid them.
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But don't worry about that.
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Jesus.
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Anyway, the story is pretty fucked up or kind of fucked up.
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I don't know.
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MVM was a CIA contractor who provided security for CIA and NSA installations in Iraq.
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They may have some logistics background, so they very well may be capable of helping transport
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migrants, but their company's history does not inspire much confidence.
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That said, the claims that people like Savannah are making here about like a child smuggling
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operation are probably legally actionable defamation.
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If I were Alex, I would maybe get this in check a little bit.
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I think, especially now.
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It's a good change for MVM to go from being war criminals to just being regular domestic
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criminals of some sort.
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I don't know how many war crimes they committed while being security.
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Maybe some.
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I don't know.
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I can't nail this down, but your point is taken.
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Yeah.
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So look, Savannah got hired at Info Wars right out of college.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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And then she went on to do such great things, but only because Alex said the wisdom to hire
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her right out of college.
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Right out of college in Texas.
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He hired Savannah Hernandez.
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Then she left to go work with some of the biggest organizations in America.
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The blade.
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Now you can see her becoming a major investigative journalist in the fight against tyranny info
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Wars mission.
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Can you see her do that?
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The leaders and giving them the platform to launch from.
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I literally had a vision 25 sitting in Waterloo house house, eating chicken fried steak and
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drinking iced tea.
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And I saw the future.
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The message was you are to build a platform to launch the generation of leaders to fight
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the new world order at the critical point they try to take over that really happened.
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I told you for decades that happened.
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And now you're witnessing it.
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You got a lot of visions, man.
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Also your team sucks.
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If this is the next crop of Patriots, they're untethered from the things that made the Patriot
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community what it was in the nineties, which is what Alex grew out of.
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They are, if anything, a withering vine on that tree because they're well, actually that's
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not entirely true.
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It's just something that will be supplanted or, or, or, um, grafted easily onto authoritarianism.
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It will be consumed by that because it doesn't have the grounding in some kind of a Phyllis
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as much as it sucks, at least anti-communism is something that like, it has the roots that
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has some kind of a tradition to it.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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A horrific tradition.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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But it does go back.
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Yeah.
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And you know, you have this, this, the, the, the cold war roots of that and the, you know,
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the fed conspiracies and stuff like that is a tradition for better or for worse.
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And these people like Savannah, like Harrison, they don't really, and even Owen, they don't
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really have that background.
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They just have the attention economy background and they're going to do the things that naturally
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or they'll gravitate naturally to the things that get attention and get a rise out of people.
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Right.
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Owning the libs.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that's just not sustainable in any way.
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It's only flows downstream to less and less responsible actions.
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Yeah.
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One thing I feel-
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Cause you know who didn't own the libs?
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McNeil and Laro.
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They didn't particularly care about owning the libs.
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No.
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No, they were busy.
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They were working.
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They were boring.
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Yeah.
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I, I, I, I feel like we should have tracked, if I, if we could go back to the very beginning,
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we should track what foods Alex eats to what visions he receives.
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Chicken fried steak.
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That gives you a future reporter, you know, like a too much chili that gives you-
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That's not a vision.
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You just forget your teacher's name.
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Your kid's teacher's name.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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I do think he has a, maybe he has indigestion.
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It does seem possible.
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Let's get that checked out.
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Yeah.
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You just got heartburn, man.
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I, I, I was thinking, I'm thinking about this even more and like there's, there is like
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maybe David Knight is someone who actually was in the tradition.
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Sure.
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You know?
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Sure.
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I'm trying, I'm thinking about other people who were on air in the earlier days.
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I don't know enough about like where Jakari Jackson's head was at.
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Sure.
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I don't think Leanne McAdoo was an acolyte of those G. Edward Griffin types.
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No, absolutely not.
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She won a contest to work there.
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She was an acolyte of other contest winners from like whenever you used to have to have
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your hand on a car in order to win the car for the longest time.
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That's kind of her tradition.
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To be fair, at least the contest was an on-air thing, not just touching a car.
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That's true.
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That is true.
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Although, I believe Owen just, Owen got his first job because he just needed to get airtime
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for the lawsuit or something along those lines, right?
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No.
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He was drunkfully fired at some radio station and then they gave him three hours a night.
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Yeah, that was complicated.
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Yeah.
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That was back in the sports radio days in the STL.
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But I, yeah, I think that there's a big division.
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And if Alex, if what he's doing now is an actual, like it's an attempt to create the
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next crop of folk, it will be a massive step downward and you'll, it's just trolls.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're talking about the Garbage Patch Kids.
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Yeah.
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That's where we're, that's where we're coming from.
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Yeah.
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So I hope you enjoyed that chicken fried steak.
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I hope you didn't.
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So yeah, one of the questions that I think a lot of people had in our time away was what
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does Alex think about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago?
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Sure.
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Turns out he does not care.
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Everybody's focused on Trump and the Mar-a-Lago raid.
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I don't give a damn about that.
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It's bad, but whatever.
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We need everybody talking about the human smuggling and the illegal activity happening.
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So closing comments, Savannah Hernandez.
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A hundred percent agree, Alex.
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Everybody's focused in on the Trump FBI raid, but again, there's bigger issues going on
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here in this country right now.
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We need to be focused in on saving our children.
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And again, just with the border, right?
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That crisis in itself is horrible, but then we also need to focus in on the sexualization
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of our children.
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What?
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School is the targeting of our children by the LGBTQ community.
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Oh my God.
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Whoa.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So, so Anna wants to protect children from LGBTQ, okay.
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I think, I think if, and I'm going to throw this out at you, should the FBI have raided,
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let's say any previous president that wasn't named Trump or even Biden right now, it would
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be a very big deal to Alex Jones.
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It would be a huge deal.
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I think it's a good strategy for it not to be a big deal.
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It is a good strategy.
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Especially after all the information has come out, that's like, Ooh, this picture is looking
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worse and worse.
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Oh boy.
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He's got nuclear secrets.
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That's oh boy.
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That's not good.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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We don't focus on nuclear secrets being torn away from the White House illegally and the
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FBI searching about it.
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What we need to do is portray people as pedophiles.
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Yeah.
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Duh.
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You know what I think is going on here is Alex is just like, this is too big.
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Yeah.
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Even for me.
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I can't spin this.
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I see.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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If your best, if your best spin is yeah, it's bad, but whatever.
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Whatever.
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Whatever.
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I don't think you should be allowed to get away with that.
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If I were Trump and I heard that, I'd be like, Oh shit, I'm going to jail.
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I'm fucked.
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This is serious.
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It's bad, but whatever.
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Yeah.
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If Alex isn't crying about this, then it's bad news.
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I mean, that is, that is like borderline Alex just being like, okay, Bush did 9-11, but
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whatever.
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Moving on.
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Right.
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So Alex gets back to calls.
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He has Savannah go back to making sure get back to your whole cub reporter, Savannah
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Hernandez.
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I don't think he can do that anymore.
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She doesn't work there.
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Oh, that's true.
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She's onto bigger and better things.
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So he goes back to calls and this is really, really fun.
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So before the break, this caller had said, Hey, Alex, I went to the library and I know
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that they instinctually she says, I went in there and I know that they have a system where
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you can request books that they should get.
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Yes.
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And so I decided I was going to request your book.
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What does Alex think?
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Here's what I would think if I was Alex, I wrote a book, he dictated a book, his book,
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The Great Reset, War for the World or whatever.
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It's mostly, I've heard him talk about it and it's mostly just transcripts of things
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he said on air about The Great Reset.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a book.
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It's a book.
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And then someone else weaved them together or something.
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Also a point of order, Glenn Beck has already released a book called The Great Reset.
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Bummer.
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Bummer.
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Riding coattails.
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Copyright.
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So yeah, Alex obviously is thinking that the end result of this story is they said no.
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Why?
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Listen, as he's disappointed by the news.
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I'm not being censored.
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Exactly.
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Catherine in Michigan was bringing up, trying to put our new book coming out next week,
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The Great Reset, The War for the World in libraries and the response she got.
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So finish your story.
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I appreciate you calling Catherine.
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Hi, Alex Jones.
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Thanks for holding me over.
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I went to the library and went up to the librarian's desk and asked if there's a form that I could
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fill out to order the book and they didn't have any form.
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She handed me a little ripped up piece of paper, like a piece of printer paper and said,
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write the name of the book and the author and we'll send it to our central library headquarters
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or whatever it is and we'll request them to order the book for you.
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So I turned in this little paper, I thought I'll never see that piece of paper again.
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And lo and behold, I checked the library's database and they obliged me.
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They ordered one copy of The Great Reset and The War for the World and it's on order right
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now and being sent to the district library.
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Well that's beautiful because librarians still believe in the First Amendment.
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Yeah, librarians love the First Amendment.
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What?
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What?
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No!
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You guys are attacking libraries!
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Not stop!
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What is happening?
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The story didn't go the way Alex expected it to.
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That's why he held her over the break.
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Because it was supposed to be, yeah.
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They won't even let my book in the library!
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I mean, come on.
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And the way she was building that story up was leading to that.
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Totally.
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It's a swerve at the end when the book is ordered.
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The piece of paper I'd never see again, they didn't have a form.
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All of this is to build a conspiracy that they're trying to keep Alex out of the library.
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I mean, well I feel like her big...
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She was a good storyteller.
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Her big pitch was like, they only got one copy of the book.
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Like that was...
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I don't think so.
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Okay.
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I think that was, we got one copy in the library.
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Oh, okay.
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Alright.
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I would be surprised if she's going to a big enough library that there would need to be
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multiple copies of any book.
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That's kind of, yeah.
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So maybe some of the classics.
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I mean, shouldn't that be, shouldn't your opinion then be like, libraries don't even
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have the resources for forms?
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They're just tearing printer paper up and they're still working for me despite the fact
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that I went in there with a clearly confrontational attitude.
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Nope.
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That shouldn't be it.
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Oh.
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They love the First Amendment.
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Yeah, sure.
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Great.
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It's interesting though.
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I do think that I admire her ability to tell a story because she got you.
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You know, like if I hadn't spoiled that in advance, you would have thought it was going
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in one direction.
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It's going the only direction it could go on Infowars.
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There was a reveal.
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Yeah.
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It's a disappointment for Alex, but it's a reveal.
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It's not fair.
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It's not fair for you to not give a shit when you're not censored.
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But that's kind of what it's all about.
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Yeah, obviously.
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So Alex takes another call and man, they're really, he's really allowing a lot of that
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stuff that he kept behind that gate about Trump to come out.
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I'm just going over the things that Trump did while being president and campaigning.
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Like the campaign of Trump was completely different than the President Trump campaign
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promises were lock her up, you know, build a wall, all this, all these three, three word
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phrases.
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But once he gets in, he pardons the five mega banks for rampant fraud and corruption, Citigroup,
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JP Morgan, Barclays, UBS, and Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Bank, he owed, reported like $300
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million to, he openly talks about her sexual fantasies with Ivanka on like the Howard Stern
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show and Oprah or Good Morning America or whatever, saying that if she wasn't his daughter,
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he'd be married to her.
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He has the Epstein connections.
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He was introduced to Melania through Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein Roy Cohn and Alan Dershowitz
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where his lawyers, Alan Dershowitz is part of the Epstein thing, Roy Cohn.
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So you, you don't think Trump's good.
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So what do you think of, what do you think of Governor DeSantis?
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I don't trust any of them.
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I think DeSantis might be better than Trump, but I feel like people are just being funneled
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to DeSantis just like people were funneled to Trump.
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By Alex?
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I mean, apparently even the proletarian of the Trump wing is beginning to figure shit
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out.
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Well, except for he's not realizing that he's talking to the person who did the thing he's...
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Some people are funneling us towards DeSantis, you know, the same way they funneled us towards
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Trump.
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It's almost like somebody earlier on on this show was like, I'm going to support DeSantis
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over Trump.
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And then they're funneling me towards that, you know, and you just asked me that question
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right now is a way of implying that you are funneling me towards DeSantis.
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Or yeah, or at least toying around with that to see if that's something that's tenable.
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Yeah.
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But these kinds of things are not stuff that would have been allowed.
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I mean a serious listing of all the people in Trump's circle that are connected to Epstein,
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considering Alex's big thing in all Alex Jones was right stories is that he was the first
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person on the Epstein thing for them to now just be like, hey, did you remember that Trump
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is the whole Epstein guy?
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And Alex has constantly been like, yeah, he met him once or twice.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Like it's, you can't, you can't have this.
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And the idea of his debts and how beholden he may be to certain entities.
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These are not things that Alex would accept as reality.
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He'd fight back on these things.
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The gate is down and I think that that matters somewhat because the overton window of conversation
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on his show seems to be a little bit more open to these things that are critical of
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Trump based on the reality of Trump as opposed to the image of Trump that Alex has wanted
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to maintain all this time.
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Stuff you would hand wave away with just like, he's not perfect.
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That kind of thing.
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You know, like, let's not be specific about anything.
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Locker room talk.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That is, that is so funny because all of this stuff was widely known, uh, 2015 and uh, all
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of these people who you are literally speaking to right now worked their asses off to make
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sure you didn't pay attention to that.
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Yeah.
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Everyone in the Infowars orbit and all the guests and everything, it was an act of, uh,
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creating a false reality that would obscure this from you so you wouldn't make an informed
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decision about who you want to do elect as president.
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Right, right, right.
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And now you're starting to realize that and not realizing the second part that Alex has
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not changed any of his behaviors, he's still doing the same thing, and toying around with
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the idea of creating a false version of DeSantis for you to worship because God has given us
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DeSantis.
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Right.
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No, no, no.
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It is, it is such that, that all, all of the people in Britain like, hey, I'm starting
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to think this whole Brexit thing was a bad idea.
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Now, of course I'm going to vote Tory for the rest of my life and make sure that, uh,
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they're still allowed to do whatever it is they want.
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Us humans, man.
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Ugh, we're crazy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Easy to lie to.
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So this, this next clip is just kind of fun.
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This is another caller.
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Hey, thanks, Alex.
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Uh, just wanted to say something here about, uh, I just watched your, uh, documentary with
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Aaron Russo where you interviewed him the other night and that was, uh, it was pretty
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compelling and, and really, I mean, I, I had, I think everybody should take a look at that.
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Yeah, that was 2000, 2006.
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Yeah.
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Something like that.
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Yeah, it was great.
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It was great.
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It was great.
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It was really compelling, powerful stuff.
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Uh, for those who don't know Aaron Russo, the interview that Alex did with him, this,
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um, I believe, uh, what was it, America freedom or fascism, I think, or America destroyed
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by design.
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Sure.
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One of those fucking nonsense titles.
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Yeah.
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Um, that is heavily predicated on the idea that Aaron Russo became friends with a guy
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who was part of the Rockefeller family and he told him all these secrets.
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And what Alex refuses to recognize is that the guy that Aaron Russo was friends with
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wasn't related to the Rockefellers.
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He's just a guy whose last name was Rockefeller and might've been pulling some, some shit
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or so.
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Right.
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So that's a great documentary that came out, I guess, 18 years ago and Alex has still not
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made a correction on that.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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It's like how...
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How many years ago was that?
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I can't do math.
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It's like how Sam Raimi didn't apologize for Spider-Man 3.
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You know, like you should have really said something before you got to do Multiverse
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of Madness.
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I think it's worse.
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What?
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How?
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It is worse.
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I can't put it into words, but I think it's worse.
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So you have one last clip here and Alex has finished calls and he has another guest coming
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in.
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And I was so fucking confused by who the guest was.
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S.D. Plissken, Lieutenant America, Special Forces, Two Purple Hearts, Stalingrad and
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Leningrad.
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What?
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Wait, what?
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At this point I'm thinking, has he got Snake Plissken on him?
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Wait, what?
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Has he got Kurt Russell?
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Has he got Kurt Russell?
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What is happening?
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We are escaping from LA on this one.
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What is happening?
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Bob Houck.
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If we're to you too, Plissken, Special Forces, Texas Thunder, Bob Houck's a real person.
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What?
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He's not just Lee Van Cleef.
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Now I'm thinking, is it Bob Houck?
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Is it Lee Van Cleef?
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It has to be Bob Houck.
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Who is it?
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From the movies.
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What is happening?
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I don't know.
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What's going on?
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All right.
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Bob Houck joins us, ladies and gentlemen.
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And let me tell you something.
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These folks have been a sponsor for years, and they had the great satellite phones.
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Oh no.
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Oh no.
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Oh no.
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Oh my God.
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But they've got something even better.
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So when you go to the website, infowarsoffgrid.com, there's so many things, the very best survival
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gear and everything else.
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But what they've really got is not just satellite phones back in stock, but something even better.
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It's better.
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So yeah, Robert Houck is apparently the name of the guy who's the spokesperson for the
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satellite phone company.
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Sure.
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Right.
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Bob Houck is a real person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, it was confusing.
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It was a journey.
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It was definitely a journey.
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To get to an infomercial.
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To get to an infomercial.
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Yeah.
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Apparently the exciting new thing that they have is something you can put on your phone
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to make it a satellite phone and untrackable.
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I don't know.
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Sure.
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Whatever.
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Right.
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I don't care.
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Yeah.
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The point here is, as we come to the end of this and we wrap this up, the whole narrative
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about Alex turning on Trump is fraudulent and, you know, I don't think there's any way
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that I can look at it and say that anyone is responsible for it other than that Ron
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Flipkowski Twitter account.
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Yeah.
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The clip that was widely disseminated, that got over a million views, that was all over
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the place, reposted a ton, was from that Twitter account that created the conversation and
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it was not accurate.
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Yeah.
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It created a false perception of what Alex was saying on his show and maybe that only
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matters to me and maybe it should only matter to me because I'm the person who watches this
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shit.
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Mmm.
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I don't know.
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You know, considering the, again, considering the complicity that the media has had with
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elevating all of these fucking voices.
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Sure.
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It's hard not to see them jump at the chance.
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Yeah.
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Like they didn't, they didn't like see this and then they were like, oh, maybe we'll write
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a story about this.
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This was a fucking full court press.
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But it created such an elated feeling of like, ha ha.
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Yeah.
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They want money, man.
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It sucks.
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And I think that the actual damage of something like this is something that's real.
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You know?
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And there is a possibility that what you'll end up doing is eroding people's trust in
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legitimate critiques and news outlets.
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Yeah.
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You'll hurt the credibility of news outlets.
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Absolutely.
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And possibly lead people to trusting Alex more, which is a dangerous thing to do and
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you shouldn't engage in that if you don't have to.
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Right.
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Ultimately, there's probably more dangerous things you could do.
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Right.
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I mean, this is not like the highest consequence kind of fuck up, but I think you got to hold
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yourself to a better standard, especially if you have the kind of reach that that account
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does.
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And I find it troubling.
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It's cumulative.
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It is.
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I mean, when you see all of the polls about how people don't trust the quote mainstream
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media, every time they report on that, they're like, look at how bad the media or look at
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how bad the electorate has been boozled without ever acknowledging that fucking...
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You know what?
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There's a reason people don't fucking trust you.
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You know?
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And maybe it's not as bad as the reason that you shouldn't trust a lot of people, but just
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because it's not as bad doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Right.
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It doesn't mean that it can't do better.
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You can do better.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that should be something that people strive for and I hope they do.
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Second, the notion that Alex's audience would be against him turning on Trump does seem
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to be not accurate.
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Yeah.
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It seems like, especially from the picture that you get from all of these calls, that
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there's some fondness for Trump still, obviously, and I think he would be acceptable if he would
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bend to the whims of these extremists, but there's not a problem with shifting over to
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someone else.
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I mean, I just feel like by...
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It doesn't matter because if Trump and DeSantis run in 2024, God knows what's going to be
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different.
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Every year has been crazier than the last and shit has gone wilder and wilder.
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So predicting what's going to happen in two years seems like an idiot's game.
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True.
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I mean, insane to do.
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And if you think for a single second, if you think for a single second that regardless
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of whatever legitimate criticisms these people are having towards Trump right now, if you
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think that when Trump becomes the nominee, they won't immediately forget all of those
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criticisms and get bogged down in like a, well, we can't have Kamala Harris, any of
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that shit.
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You are insane.
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Yeah.
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You are insane.
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It does not matter.
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It doesn't matter.
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Most likely will not matter.
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Yeah.
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I have an update.
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I'm sure Loomer has refused to concede.
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I mean, as far as a narrative arc for one episode, that is pretty goddamn good.
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I rarely look at Twitter while we're recording, but we got these primaries.
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We got to get the narrative.
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She's alleging voter fraud.
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Full circle.
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It's all there.
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She's the rightful representative.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Why not?
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Anyway, good to be back, Jordan.
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It's great to be back, buddy.
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We'll also be back on Friday.
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Of course.
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For another episode, and we'll get a little bit more caught up on the present day stuff
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and get back on our horse, but until then, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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And again, that email address for buttons is kfbuttons69 at gmail.com.
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Every email has to begin with nice.
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Yeah.
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We'll see you soon, but until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Wilford Snibble Snabble of the Gribble Pibble.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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