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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan
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I love your room
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're cool dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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Oh indeed we are, Dan
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Jordan
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Dan
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Jordan
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Quick question for you
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, this is dangerous
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Yeah
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Mm-hmm
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What's dangerous?
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Well, it's mustard
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Uh-oh
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Is my bright spot
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What about it?
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Well, here's what's dangerous
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Okay
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I'm thinking about doing a year of mustards
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That is dangerous
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I have, for the last couple weeks, been getting just really invigorated with enjoying mustards
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Okay
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I might have gotten a couple different varieties of mustard that are like, one of them is too mustardy
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One's too mustardy
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But I love it
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You love it
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Yes
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You love the extra mustard
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But it's so much mustard, but it's delicious
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And I'm thinking about really trying to incorporate this into my personal brand
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Yeah
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So I'm just kind of like a mustard guy
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I think that is a kind of guy
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Ah, I mean, I think Twitter, it will eventually say, new kind of guy just dropped
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Uh-huh
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Mustard guy
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Mustard guy
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Um, yeah, I don't know, I feel like there's a lot to explore in terms of the world of mustard
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Sure
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And I think I could get 69 mustards down
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Ah
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But I've also learned my lesson from the seltzers and I don't want to bite off more than I can chew
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But look, I'm going to put the world on notice
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I'm going to be eating a lot of mustard
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All right, you're going to eat a lot of mustard
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Yes
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It doesn't have to be a contest
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You can just love mustard
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But that's how my brain works
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It is kind of how your brain works, it is
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You need to turn things into a pageant of some sort
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Yes, yes
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But yeah, a lot of mustard's coming
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I like it
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Yep
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How about you? What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is, we played Scattergories
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It's true
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We got together with
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A secondary bright spot based on your bright spot
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The moment when Sarah, our friend Sarah Shockey opened up the taboo box
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Yes, and it was completely up to date
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The whole night
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And you have lost the pieces of your taboo game
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It's in a baggie somewhere
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But I'm sorry, I interrupted you
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No, we got together with close friends of the show
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Sister Podcast, Marty and Sarah
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And played Scattergories
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And it was, I have not played Scattergories in a long time
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Yeah
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And it is a very fun game to play
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It is
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And it was also the first time that I played it way too high to play a word game
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It's true, and it made it, like I was not high
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No
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I don't usually partake that much in the weed
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Except for as a, like, I found some, it helps with sleep a little bit
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Yeah, yeah, totally
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I have enjoyed some gummies for sleep purposes
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But speaking as the non-stoned person in the room
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Did you win?
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I did
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But also, a little frustrating to try and argue whether or not words count with three stoned people
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That is an experience that, it's rare
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It is rare
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In my life
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It is
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And it will stay rare
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In the future? It will never happen again?
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No, I'll subject myself to it a bunch, probably, because you guys like the grass
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Oh, no
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I see
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We like the gorys
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We like the gorys, buddy
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Oh, you guys like that, that, that
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Fuck, I can't even come up with another dorky way other than the grass
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The, the, the rebel dangerous knight
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Yeah
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Yeah, it was a fun time
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It was a great night
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Play some games
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Yep, it was a good bright spot
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Also, code names
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Played a little code names
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Code names, that's a fun game
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It is a delight
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over
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We're gonna go back to the past because I'm putting Alex way back in timeout
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Excellent
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So after our last episode, I felt really shitty because I had given Alex too much of a benefit
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of a doubt about his medical condition that he was using to get out of his deposition
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Yes
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On Friday, he got back on his show and announced that, eh, I just had like a little sinus thing
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Great
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Right
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Good work
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So
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Thanks, buddy
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I don't know what to believe whether the, that saving face about an actual medical condition
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that he has because he doesn't want, uh, the people to look at him as weak
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Right
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Or if it's a situation where the Connecticut case, the lawyers had already left and now
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he knew he wasn't going to have this deposition he had to do so now the facade can drop
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Right
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And what have you
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But whatever the case, I felt a little bit like a mark and that I had, uh,
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that I cared more than I should have
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It is not the first time that this has occurred
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No, um, and it's kind of one of the downsides of, you know, uh, trying to engage with, uh,
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the work of a liar
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Right
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Sometimes
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You can never be sure
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Yeah
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Yeah
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And I resent it and I'm not happy about it so what I'm gonna do
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Alex isn't gonna be back in the present on our show until episode 666
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I'm banishing him
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Eat it, Alex
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I'm banishing him from our show in the present
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Until the devil returns
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Indeed, uh, I think that's fitting
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That is fitting, absolutely
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So Alex in 2022 will return
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The return of Satan
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On 666, but until then we are going to be doing other things
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We're going to have other types of episodes, I have some fun stuff, uh, in mind
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Ah, yeah
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And today we're going to be back in the past, we're going to be doing an episode about
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July 24th, 2003, uh, there's some nonsense and then a massive revelation at the end
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Okay
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We're going to talk a little bit about 9-11 and then shocking nonsense
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Alright
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But before we do that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks, Jordan
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Oh, that's a great idea
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So first, Dee Dee Mega Doo Doo, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Okay, what was that?
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Sorry, I spaced out
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Oh, you spoke a Cali weed?
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No, I was not, I spaced out, sorry
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Next, my 401k is making that money off that heroin, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you
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Next, Joey V depose's biggest fan, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you
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Next, affirm my wonkdom before the global nuclear holocaust
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Thank you so much, you are now policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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We've made it
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Thank you
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Maybe
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We'll see you tomorrow
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Yeah, then it's late
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Next, Daddy Shark, buh buh buh buh buh buh Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Thank you
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Next, uh, my name is Captain Poo King of Gravy, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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My liege, thank you very much.
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Also, we got a technocrat in the mix.
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Oh!
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I have to say, before I say this name, I do not approve of this.
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You don't approve of me?
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At all.
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All right.
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But thank you so much.
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Knowledge fight stays on during sex.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I have risen above my enemies.
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I might quit tomorrow, actually.
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I'm just going to take a little break-y now.
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A little break-y for me.
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And then we're going to come back.
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And I'm going to start the show over.
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But I'm the devil.
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I've got to be taken off the air.
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I'm in all this blah, blah, blah.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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I got plenty of words for you.
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But at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order.
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And fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow
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and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do.
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I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners
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yesterday that I was legitimately
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having breakdowns on air.
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I'll be better tomorrow.
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He's not, and nor was he in the past.
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Ah, shit.
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Yeah, but you know what is better than Alex?
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Listening to our show while having sex?
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No.
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That stuck in my brain for the rest of my life.
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It scares me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Terrifying.
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Yep.
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No, but something that is great is we
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have a special happy birthday to send out to a very
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special policy wonk out there.
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OK.
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OK.
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So Huxley, your mother Stephanie,
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reached out and wanted us to wish you a happy birthday.
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And look, I don't know how else we can make this
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like a really special birthday.
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So I heard you're a big fan of John Oliver.
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Sure.
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And so we actually got him to come in and wish you
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a happy birthday along with us.
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No way.
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Yeah.
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Holy cow.
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I can't do a John Oliver.
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Damn it.
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Jordan, you did a Kissinger impression.
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You can't do that one either.
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I can't do a John Oliver.
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I can't do a Kissinger.
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I'm a failure.
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But you tried to do a Kissinger.
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Well, yeah.
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But that wasn't whenever it was like,
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it was an important moment for Huxley.
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And I didn't want to ruin it with a Roy.
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I wish this was a video thing.
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Jordan, you did the weirdest fucking movement
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trying to get into character.
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I was trying.
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You shrunk a little bit.
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I was trying to do something to get into it.
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I got nothing.
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All right.
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I'm sorry.
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Well, anyway, happy birthday, Huxley.
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Happy birthday, Huxley.
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I tried to force Jordan to do an impression.
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And that's a gift for all of us.
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That's really close.
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So we're back in 2003.
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Here's not a context drop from today's show.
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My relative has MS. He weighs 108 pounds.
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He's an al-Qaeda member.
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Wow.
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Whoa.
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Wow.
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Whoa.
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Rude.
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Did not see that coming.
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Yeah.
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So here is where the episode starts off.
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We have our first narrative.
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And I think one of the things that you're really
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going to notice about this is that Alex is really
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into talking about 9-11.
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Sure.
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This episode.
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The big news.
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Poll shows many Germans see US behind September 11.
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And I've seen similar major polls out of France,
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where about 60% of the public believes the US government
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carried out 9-11.
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That's 80-plus million people in that country.
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And 60-plus percent believe the government did it.
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Well, no, the government did it.
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It's an absolute fact.
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68% of Germans believe that they're
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being lied to by the press.
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A full 30%, or people below 30, a large percent
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of those below 30 believe the government did it as well.
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19% of those below 30.
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What statistic is being reported here?
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There was a poll of people in Germany.
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But what was the statistic?
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You've listened to him describe it.
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What was it?
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People who believe that the United States did 9-11.
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68% is something.
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30% is something.
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Maybe 18%, 19%.
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I don't know.
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I've listened to it a bunch of times.
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And I don't think if you listen to it once,
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you'd be able to tell what he's talking about.
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Well, you know the general topic.
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Right.
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He's saying that 70% of Germans believe that the United States
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did 9-11.
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Am I correct in that?
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No, you're not.
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Because 68% is apparently the amount
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that think that the media isn't telling them
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the truth about things.
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Oh, OK.
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All right.
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It's unclear from listening to it what is which percent.
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Right.
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And then he says 30%, but that's actually people under 30.
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Yes.
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So it's actually 19% of people under 30
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think that the United States did 9-11.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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How many people in France?
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We'll get to that in a minute.
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OK.
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So if you listen to enough of Alex's show,
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you'll notice that oftentimes concrete stories are reported
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in ways that leave you completely
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unaware of what's actually being reported.
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And I think that's intentional.
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But leaving that aside, that clip
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includes a really interesting little tidbit
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that I think deserves attention.
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In 2003, Alex is perfectly comfortable
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saying definitively that it's proven fact
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that the government did 9-11.
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In the present day, when he's asked about it,
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Alex hedges his position and tries
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to pretend that he just had some questions
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about the official story.
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I was just asking questions.
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In the past, he'll say that he knows
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the name of the perpetrators like everybody
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in the organization.
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But you flash forward to today, and he would never
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make that type of claim or put himself in a position
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where he's like, I will name names.
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I've talked about this a little bit in the past,
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the idea of wet concrete, how the immediate aftermath
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of an event is essentially wet concrete where
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you can make an impression in it very easily.
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But if you wait for the concrete to dry,
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it's really hard to get your narrative to make a dent.
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You can't write your name in the sidewalk.
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This is a very large part of why people like Alex really
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try to spam their theories hard and fast.
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But there's a side aspect of this dynamic
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where in order to make your immediate theories seem
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more convincing to people in those early times,
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you have to be completely emphatic in your certainty.
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People are looking for answers, and you
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seem like a bad source of answers
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if you present your theories as possibilities
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that you can't prove.
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You have to push them as if you have a rock solid case,
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or else you run into the risk of your audience searching
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for someone else to give them the impression of that
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certainty that they need in order to comfort them.
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Right.
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As time goes on, this position needs to soften.
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Because as is always the case with these kinds of conspiracy
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theories, eventually the foundation of your narratives
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just fall apart, and it becomes too obvious
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that there was no basis for your certainty in the first place.
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Like, it's no good to be certain 10 years after the fact
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where everything looks stupid.
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Right.
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But the way that this works is like,
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it's just different tones of voice of trust me,
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depending on where you are in the relationship.
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At the beginning, it's trust me.
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You've got to trust me.
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I'm so right.
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And then 10 years later, it's like, yeah,
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but you can trust me.
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I know, but you can trust me.
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Trust me.
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That kind of thing.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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There's an unspoken agreement between the conspiracy
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theorist and their audience, where the theorist satisfies
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the emotional need for certainty that the audience is
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looking for, and the audience conveniently
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forgets later that the things that the theorist was
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certain about were bullshit.
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Without this status quo, a show like Alex's could not exist.
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If Alex didn't provide that certainty,
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his audience would find him weak.
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If his audience held him to his past positions
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and demanded he explain how this certainty about things waned,
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Alex wouldn't be able to do the show that he does,
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and thus he'd be unable to provide
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the audience with that comfort and certainty
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that they need next time.
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Right.
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And thus, definitive positions will be taken
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that are quietly disowned later.
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And the audience will get ready to unquestioningly believe
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the next definitive position Alex throws out,
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and the cycle goes on and on.
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Just think, like in the COVID times,
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how many narratives Alex has announced
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has definitively proven that he's just kind of forgotten
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about after it became too clear that it's
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embarrassing nonsense now.
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Like he was having David Icke on to talk about how
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viruses themselves don't exist.
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They don't.
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For a while.
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And it's like if you can't let the virus in,
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if you choose that the energy needs to stay outside of you,
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everybody knows this.
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That was more of a carry thing.
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But yeah, this dynamic, I think, is really
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going to be something that you see pretty
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clearly in this episode, I think.
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Just like the definitiveness of stuff that's like,
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you don't believe that.
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Right.
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I mean, that is really great as far
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as showing you what it is that Info Wars really sells.
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They sell the feeling of, oh, somebody
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knows what's going on.
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They sell that feeling.
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The feeling of order, essentially.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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There's some comfort you can take,
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despite the world being horrible,
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which you already knew it was, there's
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some comfort in knowing that this man has a grasp on it.
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Well, not only that he has a grasp on it,
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but because of that grasp that he has, what he is describing
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is a world that is run by A to B to C to D predictable events
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and everything.
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There's no chaos or randomness.
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There's no people who have different interests that
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sometimes align and sometimes don't.
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There's none of that chaos.
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The world works in a comforting way
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if there is a giant conspiracy that runs everything.
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Right, because it's simple.
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Inexplicably, the more complicated and complex
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the conspiracy is, the more simple
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it makes people feel like life is.
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Because, look, you can just do it.
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Right, yeah.
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And I think that's a large part of the certainty and the
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comfort that Alex sells.
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Totally.
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But the price is looking like an idiot eventually for, well,
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that too.
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But we didn't know that in 2003.
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So you were asking about France.
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Yes.
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This has got to be upsetting the globalist
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to have more and more people aware of who
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carried out those attacks.
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And by the way, the numbers are much higher
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than what you see in these polls.
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I mean, over in France, they write books about 9-1-1
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and government involvement and sells 30 million copies.
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There's only 80-something million people
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in the country, folks.
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At this point, France's population
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was closer to 61 million people, which
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seems like me being a little nitpicky,
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but Alex is like 20 million people off.
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Yeah, that's not quite, that's not rounding up.
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No.
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So this book he's talking about is
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called Les Freables Impostures, or The Horrifying Fraud,
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which is released in English under the title 9-1-1
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The Big Lie.
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Since its release, the book has been roundly and comically
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debunked.
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And its author, Thierry Messon, is not taken seriously
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by anybody who recognizes his name.
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A May 2002 article in Time Europe
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claims that the book had spent six weeks
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at the top of the French bestseller list, which
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is no small feat.
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That's fairly impressive for a book.
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And I think that's the basis for Alex's outrageous claim
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that it sold 30 million copies.
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That number is fucking insane.
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And a June 2002 article, which is after it
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would have spent six weeks on the top of the charts,
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this article from June 2002 in CNN
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puts the sales figure at 200,000.
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See, it was either that or, I believe,
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I remember this book being right there,
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released next to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.
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I think, like, the same level of 30 million people,
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like 30 million books sold in France.
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Like, you've got to consider, like,
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how many people are under the age of 18.
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That suggests that they've turned that book
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into their national currency.
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I would be surprised if it sold 30 million globally.
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I would be surprised if it sold, yeah, yeah.
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Alex could say the real number.
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And it would be impressive if you know anything
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about, like, book sales or the French book market.
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But he's aware that his audience isn't
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going to be dazzled unless the number just jumps off the page.
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In addition to that, it's really important for Alex
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to make the image appear to be that people
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who believe the things Infowars reports
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are the majority in the world.
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They are legion.
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Yeah.
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Just because you don't see any of them on your daily basis
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doesn't mean that they're not everywhere.
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Well, right.
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But that's why it's harder to make that perception stick
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when you're talking about the United States.
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But if it's somewhere exotic like France.
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Oh, totally.
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Like France.
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Yes.
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Yeah, it's easier to convince your audience that, like,
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basically France is a hotbed of 9-11 troopers.
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Fuck it.
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Look, Luxembourg is in France.
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Luxembourg, France.
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Luxembourg, France.
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Indeed.
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They love that one.
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Oh, my god.
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They're full of patriots.
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Unbelievable.
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Yeah, so Alex, like, all right, we got French book numbers.
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We got a German poll that Alex is reporting weirdly.
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Well, there's an incontrovertible proof there.
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But fuck that noise.
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You don't need any of that stuff.
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I don't need any of that?
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Alex has done his own polling.
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Oh, shit.
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Well, let me tell you, I've done my own little poll
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nationwide on over 1,000 AM and FM stations
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that I've been interviewed on.
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What?
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As a guess, some of them syndicated,
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some of them little mom and pop AM, some of them
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big 50,000 watt blow torches in New York, or Rhode Island,
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or KOA, or KFI, I mean LA, Denver, you name it.
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A lot of you have heard me on those shows.
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And I'll be on the big ones for two hours.
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Prime time, middle of the night, in the morning,
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in the afternoon, doesn't matter.
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Open the phones, they'll take 30 calls.
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Everybody agrees with one person.
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They'll say I should be arrested and I should be killed.
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I mean, you've heard them on the air.
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You should be killed.
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You're a traitor.
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If I ever see you, I'll kill you.
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I get emails like that.
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You're working with Al-Qaeda.
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Because I expose that our government is Al-Qaeda
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and controls Al-Qaeda and is not our government
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and is carrying out the attacks.
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So that's not scientific.
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I don't know what conclusions you can draw from the type
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of calls you get when you guest on radio shows.
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I mean, I like the idea of calling
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that doing a little poll.
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I did a little poll over the past, I don't know how long,
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for whatever length of time to whatever number of people
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on several radio stations that may or may not exist.
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And I've found that one out of 30 people in America
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want to kill me.
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That sounds like, what are we talking about?
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Dumb, very dumb.
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Yep.
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Did you research what his actual poll results were?
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No, I didn't.
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I don't think that I could ever find these podunk radio
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show, these no name ass radio shows that he's been on.
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I don't think those things have made it.
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It doesn't sound like he went to Pew, I'll tell you that.
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No, no, no.
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So, but look, I say it's not scientific,
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but Alex kind of, I mean, he draws a lot of meaning
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from the calls that he gets on other people's radio shows.
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I mean, I just hope the globalists realize that,
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that they can lie all day and put their spin out all day
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and they can blow more stuff up and kill more people,
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and we hope they don't, and tell us how they're saving us
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and telling us we need to love them.
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They can put the gun to our head of terrorism
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and say capitulate to tyranny, or it's over.
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But I'm here to tell you, a lot of people
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are afraid to stand up in church and talk about it,
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and they're afraid to stand up in their classroom
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and talk about it, and they're afraid to talk
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about it in the grocery store.
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But when I'm on 1,000 plus interviews,
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it's well over 1,000 now, multiple interviews
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a day in the last 23 months since September 11th.
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And I did hundreds of interviews before that, probably 500,
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600 in all the years before that,
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and things have just accelerated since then.
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And think about that.
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You talk about a poll.
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They call a big poll 5,000 people or 1,002 people.
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All these different polling numbers we see.
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The difference between a good and bad poll
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is all down to methodology.
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The number of participants is definitely one of the factors,
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but it's much more important that the variables are
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controlled correctly and you end up
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with a representative sampling of the population, which
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is something that Alex's dumb radio interview
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poll doesn't capture at all.
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Doesn't seem to.
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There's a selection bias, first of all,
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who asks Alex to be on their shows?
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What types of shows are these?
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What types of audience is probably
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listening to a show that would have Alex on his guest?
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What type of person would call in when Alex was on as a guest?
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Right.
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There's a lot of confounding variables here.
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I would say they might be skewed results.
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You bet.
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Interestingly, though, there's one conclusion
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you absolutely can draw from Alex's telling of this story,
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and that is that 9-11 was the best thing that ever happened
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to him from a career perspective.
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He went from not really that many people being interested
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in interviewing him to people banging down the doors
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to have him on.
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And that's because he claimed a level of confidence
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and assuredness in the position he was putting forward,
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which made him interesting.
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He wasn't saying that he questioned the mainstream
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narrative of 9-11.
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He wasn't saying there were anomalies.
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He wasn't saying that he had doubts.
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Those positions would be boring.
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He was saying loudly and into a bullhorn
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that it was definitively proven that Bush
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and his administration did 9-11, and the planes
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were remote controlled.
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He had all the evidence, dead to rights.
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They don't even debate it.
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That makes a person stand out.
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And when it's someone who has a clear, inherent set of chops
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like Alex has, this can lead to a little bit
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of a media windfall.
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And that's exactly what happened.
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People were confused and trying to make sense
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of a national tragedy that's ended up
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affecting the entire world.
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And Alex is there bombastically offering answers.
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There are lies, but it hardly matters.
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Now, the reason that I bring this up
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is because it's no longer profitable for Alex
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to be certain about 9-11.
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It was in 2002 and 2003.
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In fact, at that point, being uncertain
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probably would have been a detriment to Alex's brand.
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And this is exactly what you see with him in the present day.
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He's all but disowned pretty much all of the insane bullshit
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he was pushing back then.
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You're never going to hear him try to sell a loose change
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DVD on his show or talk about how
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the hijackers are still alive.
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That stuff he pretends wasn't a part of making his career,
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because that would actually be shameful for him to admit.
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He never could prove any of that stuff.
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But because it got him more attention,
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Alex represented himself as someone who could prove it all.
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He manipulated people in the aftermath of a huge tragedy
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for his own profit, and once it was no longer profitable
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to sell those lies, he moved on and pretended
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he'd never said that stuff to begin with
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and began lying about another tragedy.
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Alex's career is rooted in tragedy profiteering.
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The most notable events in his career,
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the things that put him on a national stage,
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all of them were things where he was lying
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about something painful to someone else.
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Oklahoma City, 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing,
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the Aurora Batman shooting, all of these
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are events where Alex sold his completely made up story
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in the immediate term, and then now doesn't wanna be judged
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by what he sold, and I don't accept that, and no one should.
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It's total bullshit.
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Yeah, yep, absolute fucking nightmare.
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Yeah, not what a good person would do, huh?
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It is odd, like, it is so fucked up
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about the way that our media culture is just geared.
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Like, it is geared towards making a man
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like Alex Jones, a star.
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That is, I mean, as you were saying,
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making those claims immediately makes him interesting.
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People wanna go talk to him.
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Think about, like, the Terry Mason,
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the guy who wrote that French book.
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It's definitive claims, it's saying,
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I know I can prove all of this stuff,
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and then you get six weeks at the top
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of the bestseller list.
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It's kind of hacking that attention thing
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that we accidentally built.
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Right, right, because it's more interesting
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than, you know, nuance or confusion
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or just a blanket acceptance of, like,
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oh yeah, this is a series of random occurrences.
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Turn on, like, NPR, All Things Considered,
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and they'll be, like, talking about a story
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with an X-ray, like, yeah, it's possible.
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Exactly, yes, yeah, yeah.
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I'm going to bed, fuck you.
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We can see that being one way,
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or we could see it being the other way.
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Oh God, I'm listening to this,
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and then fucking Garrison Keillor's coming on later.
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I'm outta here. Oh God.
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I'm gonna turn on Alex.
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I know it's right!
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Okay, I'm listening. This is satisfying.
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I cannot stop.
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So look, there's a lot of people out there
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in the world who believe that 9-11 was a charade.
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Especially in France.
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And Germany.
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That's true.
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By the way, Germany's technology minister,
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about 20 months ago, put out a report.
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He didn't just make a statement.
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And by the way, part of his report
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is in that George Humphrey audio book
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we offer on the shopping cart
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that you can get through to an Infowars.net
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and the 9-11 Great Illusion.
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I gotta stop this already.
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His report is in the audio book?
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Yes.
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All right, I don't believe that you read
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the entire report in the audio book.
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The German technology minister,
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and the guy's got all these awards.
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I mean, he's got a head the size of a watermelon.
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He's got like 170 IQ.
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He came out and he said it is impossible.
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The story is a fraud.
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The military industrial complex launched these attacks.
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I have conducted a detailed analysis.
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Well, so have we.
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And so have all these other engineers
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and hundreds of military officers
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and everybody else, including the Easter Bunny.
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And it is, it will be easier for me
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to fly to the moon, okay,
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by gluing feathers on my back.
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Okay.
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I'm not joking. I'm serious.
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I'm listening.
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It will be easier for fire ants
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to build a rocket in your backyard
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and go to Mars than for all these things
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that happen that happen
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when you add them all together.
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Okay.
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He's serious.
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He's, this is not a joke.
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No, he's gonna take feathers on his back.
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This is serious.
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I'm gonna put some fucking feathers on my back, man.
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That wasn't a report that the technology minister did.
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This is entirely based on an interview
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that Andreas von Bülow did
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with a German newspaper called Ta Spiegel.
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It was published on January 13th, 2002.
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Von Bülow had been out of his position
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as the technology minister in Germany since 1982.
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Ooh, that's bad for a technology minister.
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There was a lot of technology that happened between-
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It was a huge amount.
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Yeah, that 18 years.
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There was like four.
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More than 18 years, 21.
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He was definitely spouting 9-11 conspiracy theories,
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but he wasn't saying it from the position of certainty
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that Alex is claiming.
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Again, Alex's game relies on creating
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the fake impression of certainty.
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And in order for this story to really pop for him,
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he needs to project that certainty
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onto all of his sources, including von Bülow.
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It's not enough to just say that he gave an interview
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where he said that he found it unthinkable
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that the hijackers could have pulled off the attack
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without intelligence community help.
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This story needs to be that he proved it.
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Right.
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And Alex is saying that.
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It can't be an old man, far out of government,
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going like, man, this is so crazy.
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It can't be true.
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Also, my head is giant.
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And I got a huge head.
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A major part of this, if you're Alex,
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is you need to cram certainty down your audience's throat.
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You want them to think of themselves
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as questioning and skeptical,
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but in reality, the most dangerous proposition for you
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is the idea that they might actually start questioning
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things, like the things you're saying
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and why are you so sure of this?
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It doesn't sound as, yeah.
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You want the artificial air of questioning,
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not so much the reality.
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You want to give people the impression
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that they are smarter for not asking you questions.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And repeating the questions that are dead ends
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that you say all the time.
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Exactly, yes.
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Pat yourself on the back for that.
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You got it.
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So, just to be clear, I think Alex now would love
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for everyone to believe that all he did was say like,
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I had questions and you know,
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I think the government let 9-11 happen.
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That's what he wants people to hear.
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Now, that's not at all what he was saying.
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Ooh, that's not good.
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Again, they can imprison people,
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they can kill people, they can try to intimidate folks.
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Everyone is going to know that the government
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carried out September 11th.
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It isn't like Pearl Harbor where they let it happen
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and attacked Japanese submarines that morning
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in the harbor and tried to cover it up.
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Okay, so they did it.
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It was an active thing.
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All right, so now Pearl Harbor was not a false flag.
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No, it was.
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It was, but it was a real event that could have been stopped
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but was allowed to happen,
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so it might as well have been a false flag.
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Whereas with 9-11, George W. got in that fucking plane.
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I would say, no.
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Promote controlled it.
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Promote controls, it's probably more like Cheney,
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because Alex is pretty focused on Cheney
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because he wrote that document that he didn't write.
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Yeah, I think that this would be a tough thing
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for Alex to stand behind in the present day.
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Well, in the years since, it has not come out
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and we are not all convinced
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that the United States government did it.
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A shocking number of things that were in the documentary
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that he produced, Loose Change,
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it's come out that they are not true.
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That has come out.
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A shocking number.
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I mean, the only thing that was true was directed by...
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Jason Burmas.
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Yeah, exactly, he did.
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So you can't kill the truth, though.
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And Alex has a list of some folks who may be trying.
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Who are trying to kill the truth, of course.
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There's one person who's conspicuous in their absence.
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Ah.
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The devil.
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Oh, no.
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Let them keep lying, let them keep licking their lips
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and reading off the teleprompters
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and all their neocon scams
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and lying liberal New World Order scams.
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Let them keep, and you know what?
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They're gonna do even more horrible things
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to make us love them, to pose as our saviors.
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But the genies out of the bottle,
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Pandora's box is open, and the truth,
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you can't kill it, it isn't gonna go away.
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You just watch, no matter how horrible the stuff is
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you pull, boys, no matter how bad it gets,
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more people are gonna blame you
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because you are the enemy combatants,
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you are the terrorists, you are the usurpers,
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you are the overthrowers of the Republic,
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you are the traitors and the seditious enemy agents
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of the private corporation, the crime syndicate
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known as the New World Order.
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It's interesting, as I was listening to that
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I was thinking that it may be true
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that you can't kill the truth,
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but apparently what will do the trick
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in terms of killing something being presented as truth
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is for Alex to decide it's not profitable
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to pretend it's the truth anymore.
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These globalists don't need to do anything nefarious
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to get Alex to stop covering something,
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they just have to wait until his audience gets bored of it
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and he moves on to another subject.
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They just need to wait until the theories he's presented
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as definitively proven are so embarrassingly debunked
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that he needs to pretend he never believed
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that stuff to begin with.
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That's the trick.
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Yeah, yep, wait him out.
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He'll get bored.
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Or his audience will just demand something new
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and exciting and they're not excited by that thing anymore.
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So that rant about the enemy was nice at the end though,
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like it's weird that these folks
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don't seem to be working for the devil.
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Not anymore.
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Just a good old fashioned banking cartel
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with human motivations and human plans.
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Yeah, good days.
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It's almost like you wouldn't have to really be that crazy
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to buy into this stuff back then.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Kinda like he's really getting you on the hook.
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Yeah, yeah, a banking cartel causing problems, very real.
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Not only not surprising,
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almost certainly happening constantly, yeah, totally.
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Now recognizing that secretly he believes
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that it's a battle between angels and demons
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and supernatural forces.
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The devil controlling J.P. Morgan Chase
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does not sound true to me.
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Yeah.
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But who knows?
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Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, all the devil.
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All evil.
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So a lot of this show is calls.
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Alex has no guests on this.
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This call was fun.
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This guy wants to know what's going on.
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You got inside sources.
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Sure.
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Tell me what's going on.
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Yeah.
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Help us out.
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Yeah, that's reasonable.
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That's a reasonable question.
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Alex does not have a good answer.
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Oh.
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Yeah, hi Alex, how you doing?
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Pretty good, my friend.
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All right, let me ask you,
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do you have any impression or maybe some of your
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I can't do John Oliver.
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contact with the government or whomever?
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Maybe some of these high level,
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maybe mid-level minions are getting cold feet.
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Well, they are.
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You know, I mean, I don't have specifics
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because I can't give you specifics
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in the places that I have specifics,
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but they've been all over the news blowing the whistles.
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I mean, but I, what I'm saying is I can't give you
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the people I know personally deep inside government
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because they're sources,
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but I can tell you about Robert Wright
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at the National Press Club on C-SPAN.
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Oh, cool.
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I can tell you about the C-SPAN guy.
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I could tell you about something I saw on C-SPAN.
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I can't tell you anything.
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I'm inside that I totally, it's totally real
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that I have all these sources.
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I know all of it.
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But I can tell you about a book talk that I saw.
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I know your question was, are minions getting cold feet?
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Which, considering Despicable Me has not come out yet.
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It's gotta be different.
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Stepped on your minions, sorry.
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Anyways, no, you're doing great.
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Yeah.
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Kevin was one of the minions, right?
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I have no idea.
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Gru is a character, huh?
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Gru is a character.
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Which character?
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I don't know.
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I haven't seen those movies.
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What'll happen?
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So, look, how much he doesn't even
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want to talk to sources, really?
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Why would you?
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It's dangerous.
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They're exhausting.
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Right, and plus, everything is so obvious.
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9-11, obvious.
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It's open source.
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But frankly, it's been duplicated so many times,
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I don't even want to talk to them anymore.
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It's dangerous for me, it's dangerous for them.
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We know who did it.
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The evidence, the prima facie evidence,
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it's like going to a crime scene
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that's an orgy of evidence, as they say,
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and you've got the killer there at the dinner table,
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eating the body of the person they've killed.
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I mean, and they've shot 500 hours of video of it.
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It's ridiculous.
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It's an orgy of evidence, which I actually
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have pierced the veil on psychological warfare
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parameters, and I believe it's actually a judo move
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by high-level Illuminati that this is meant to come out.
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And at a certain level, we're empowering the Illuminati
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on this broadcast.
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What?
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As we're conscious of this, do you
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know how we're empowering the Illuminati?
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No.
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Joe?
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OK, let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati.
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I'm worried.
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Let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati.
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I don't know what's going on anymore.
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Where is this going?
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I've pierced the psychological veil
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behind this orgy evidence that is going to fuck up
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all of the people who are, oh, boy, what was the plan again?
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Also, 500 hours of footage of someone eating somebody,
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like, that's too long.
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That's too long.
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I don't know if it would take that long to eat somebody
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or if the meat would stay fresh.
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Probably be bad.
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Yeah.
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Look.
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What's cook time?
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Also, I love this, like, I don't even want to meet with them.
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And they're like, now in the present,
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I'm like, I meet with all of us all the time.
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I know.
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I don't even, listen, I don't even want to meet with someone.
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I have so many great meetings where we have caviar
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and they tell me I'm great.
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It's dangerous.
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I have conversations at the adult table,
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not like you little babies who think dumb things.
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No.
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No.
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I know psychological warfare things about how we're
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empowering the Illuminati.
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Sell me on this.
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All right, I'll try.
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Sell me on this.
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I mean, look, there's two aspects of it.
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OK.
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Here's sort of the first one.
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Number one, we are engaging in revelation of the method
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and mass desensitization to a overall horror
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that the subconscious is already aware of.
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So we are being allowed to do this, to introduce it,
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so that there is not a mass insanity that then causes
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a break into open rebellion.
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Now, that's on one level.
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But again, it's operating their system.
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And there is a sub twist in the twist.
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And it's blown up in their face.
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Ha, ha, ha.
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Now, this is very dangerous.
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OK.
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There's a sub twist in the twist.
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There's a sub twist in the twist.
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Uh-huh.
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It's like a kick flip McTwist.
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What an unbreakable came out in 2000.
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Right, right?
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Something like that?
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Right, right.
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OK, so do you understand what he's talking about at all?
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Could you translate that?
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I believe that what he's saying is
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that by telling people what the Illuminati is doing,
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and people not really being able to do anything to stop it,
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we are desensitizing them to the need to stop it.
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No.
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OK.
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I mean, that's an interesting thought.
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But no, that's what he's saying.
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All right.
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He's saying that intuitively on a subconscious level,
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everybody out in the world already knows in their bones
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and in their spirit what the Illuminati is doing.
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Right, see, but that's not true.
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Fine.
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I'm just telling you what Alex is saying.
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So everyone understands that.
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And what Alex is doing is revealing the method.
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So he's putting to conscious mind what
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unconscious mind already knows.
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Sure.
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Right?
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So he's telling everybody all this stuff, which is actually
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a favor to the globalists.
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Because then once the prestige happens.
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Sure, the sub-twist.
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And it's, no, that's the twist.
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No, the twist is Alex's game.
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OK.
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So once the prestige happens and there's
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the revelation of what the globalists are up to,
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the Illuminati is up to, then there
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won't be open rebellion and a civil war breaking out
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or whatever because Alex has already
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revealed this to people.
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So it won't be such a cataclysmic.
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Right.
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It's like basically.
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By telling people you're preparing them
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for their ultimate takeover.
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Well, it's basically like the idea
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that QAnon folks had of people are going to look at us
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like we're crazy.
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And then once the prestige happens, basically,
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they'll realize that we knew all along
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and we were right.
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It's that same kind of idea.
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But it's serving the globalists' interests
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because then there won't be a big kaboom when
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the reveal happens.
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Because people won't be surprised.
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They'll have already known what was going on.
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Right, right, right.
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So that's part of the globalist plan, apparently.
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But the sub-twist within the twist,
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Alex is, I think, referencing like he
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has baked into his content somehow
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a way that even this isn't in the globalists' best
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interests or something, who knows.
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All right, OK.
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But there's a second.
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What's important is that he has outsmarted the globalists
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somehow.
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I can tell you how.
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They're not real.
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Well, that's an easy way to outsmart something.
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And their plans are stupid.
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Well, he's the one who's making up the plan.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, if you create an enemy for yourself that's stupid,
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you can outsmart them every single time.
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Every time.
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So here's the second.
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Never lost a game to myself in chess, not once.
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Here's the second way that he fears
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he's helping the Illuminati.
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Now at another level, what happens
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is the New World Order wants to discredit America.
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The New World Order wants to demonize America.
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And for some of the unsophisticated minds
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in the world, and the liberals, and some of the Europeans who
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are more sophisticated but are still not sophisticated enough,
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they hear and think that America, the red, white,
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and blue carried out 9-1-1, thus America is bad,
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the UN is good, then the UN comes out against the war,
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against the imperial moves, against the lies,
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and makes the UN look good.
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So in a judo move, they take the energy
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and allow 9-1-1 evidence to come out.
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They allow it to sit there simmering,
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destroying America's outlook and the view people
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have of America worldwide, while empowering
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the more centralized arms of the New World Order.
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Is that clear?
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Yes, indeed.
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Don't you dare say yes, indeed.
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How fucking dare you say yes, indeed.
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I mean, it's clearer than the first one.
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Right.
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There's no twist in the sub-twist.
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No, there's no sub-twist, which is nice.
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So translate this one for me.
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So by-
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You can say no.
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Right, right, right.
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If I understand correctly, the UN is allow,
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well, let's call it the Illuminati.
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That would be better.
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Right.
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The Illuminati-
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The UN is a sub-branch directorate.
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A directorate of the, yes, yeah, yeah.
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They're the sub-twist of the, yeah.
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Okay, so the Illuminati-
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I want cinnamon twists.
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Has revealed, they're delicious.
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No, they're not, they suck.
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Has revealed that the United States did 9-11, right,
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in order for the world to hate America,
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including America, the concept, right,
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and then Americans themselves will say,
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we don't want America anymore, we want to join the UN
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that we are already a part of.
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Right.
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Yeah, more or less, more or less,
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but I think the subtle difference,
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the distinction is the globalists and the Illuminati don't,
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they're not putting out that America did 9-11.
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Right.
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They're allowing people like Alex to get that message out,
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which then tarnishes the image of America.
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So then Alex is doing their job.
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Well, but he's trying to be very clear
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that it's not America that did it.
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But he's still doing it.
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You bet.
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And I would say 100% of his audience own a shirt
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that says Bush did 9-11.
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I would say 100%, yes, he's doing the thing
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that they want him to do.
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But he thinks he's not,
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because he's distinguishing between the globalists
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who have taken over the United States government
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and Americana.
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Right, right, the lore of America, more important.
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You can't kill the lore.
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The lore didn't do it.
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The lore didn't do 9-11, that's our shirt.
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So the caller has an interesting quote
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to help Alex feel better.
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Thomas Jefferson?
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No.
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So if you recall, on our last 2003 episode,
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a Canadian called in and wanted to get into a fight
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with Alex about how he's a coward
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for not supporting the war.
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It was very funny.
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It was quite enjoyable.
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Alex is still a little raw about this, I think,
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because this caller wants to make him feel better
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with a Teddy Roosevelt quote.
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I guess yesterday you had that gentleman from Canada
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calling you a traitor and a coward, blah, blah, blah,
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because you weren't going along,
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you weren't a Bush worshiper supporter.
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I found this really interesting comment
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by Theodore Roosevelt, where he said to announce
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that there must be no criticism of the president
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or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong,
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is not only unpatriotic and servile,
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but is morally treasonable to the American public.
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I thought that was very interesting.
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And he did say that quote during an election
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and did point out that it was very patriotic
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to criticize the government.
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The founding fathers say in the Declaration of Independence,
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the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution
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that we are the government,
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and when the government becomes destructive of the Republic,
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it is our right, our duty,
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not to overthrow the Constitution and the Republic,
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but to restore it against the usurpers.
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So that is a real quote.
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That's an actual quote from an editorial
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that Teddy Roosevelt wrote in 1918.
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The problem I have is that that is not an election year.
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Woodrow Wilson won reelection in 1916,
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and Teddy Roosevelt had been out of office
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for about a decade at that point
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and one year away from death.
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The context for this quote is actually really ironic,
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if you know where this comes from.
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This caller is using it to defend Alex
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from that Canadian guy who said that Alex was a coward
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for not supporting the war in Iraq and supporting Bush.
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Well, in Roosevelt's case, he was writing this editorial
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about how it's great to question the government
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and the president because he was actually more
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in favor of war than Woodrow Wilson,
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and he'd gotten some flak for that.
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In the previous two years, he'd been writing editorials
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about how the US needed to get more involved in World War I,
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arguing that Wilson wasn't being strong enough.
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The editorial that this quote comes from
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is his defense of himself on accusations
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of him being disloyal for calling for more war
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than the president was waging.
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The bottom line is that we can all agree
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that it's fine to criticize the president.
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It's just funny that Alex is lying
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about when this was written, and he takes this quote
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about justifying a desire for more war
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and turns it into something about Roosevelt saying
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it was cool for people to overthrow a government
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if they just decide that it's full of usurpers.
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Why, why did he do that?
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He just can't stop himself.
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No, he can't, he's a compulsive liar.
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Theodore Roosevelt, oh yeah, that was said
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whenever Theodore Roosevelt was taking a bath.
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You know what's fun about Theodore Roosevelt taking a bath?
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He had two bathtubs that he put side by side.
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He was the original Viagra commercial.
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I think that a part of it was an impulse
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to be like, he was selfless in saying this,
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and even when he was running for president,
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he said it's good to criticize the president.
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Which he didn't, and wouldn't.
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Yeah, but I think, I don't know.
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He wasn't good with presidential criticism
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when he was the president, strangely enough.
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I think that Alex just thinks
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it's a more interesting story.
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It is.
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He wants to be interesting really badly.
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Right, right, right.
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And I think that might come from his high school years.
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But.
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It usually does start there.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I do find it a little bit frustrating
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that if I did take the time to really lay out every time,
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there's just like, well that's an extraneous detail
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that he's making up, we would never finish the show.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'd be here for a long time.
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There would be a 24 hour live stream in perpetuity
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of just like, well, here's a weird detail.
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We begin in May 1998.
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So I think Alex really enjoyed that idea
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that he laid out of the globalists
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want to make the US look bad
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to make everyone want to join the UN.
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Right, right, right.
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I don't think I've heard him say that too much,
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but he expounds on it a little more
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and I have some thoughts.
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Trying to make this as simple as possible.
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The New World Order doesn't mind at a certain level
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allowing thinking people to know
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that the globalists carried out September 11th.
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Okay.
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So because what they do is they then demonize America
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like America did it and like the US government did it.
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There's so many fantasy layers to this belief,
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but if you really think about it,
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Alex kind of really does need to create this elaborate maze
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in order to defend his points against obvious rebuttals.
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For instance, you have to ask yourself
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why Alex is allowed to be on air and profit
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from yelling about how Bush did 9-11
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and then just go home and live in peace
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when according to his telling of it,
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the New World Order is a bloodthirsty cabal of murderers
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who will defend their banking cartel at all costs.
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They orchestrated both world wars.
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So you got to imagine they could handle
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taking out an idiot in Texas
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if you were doing something that it didn't like.
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Of course, and that's why they're letting him do it.
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Exactly.
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They don't kill him because they're okay
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with thinking people knowing about 9-11.
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Alex isn't popular enough for him to use the
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I'm out in the public so they have to let me live
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kind of thing.
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Right, right, right.
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So I think this is kind of a decent option
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for him to go with to explain his own existence
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within this scheme.
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No, it's not terrible.
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So now the globalists not only did 9-11,
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but they did it in an intentionally sloppy enough way
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so that the thinking people in the world
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would see the obvious clues they left behind
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and they would use these to argue that the US did 9-11.
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Right, which is a great plan.
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But it's a judo move.
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It's a judo move.
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It's a judo.
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In reality, they want people to say that the US did 9-11
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so that they can make the US look bad
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and trick people into liking the UN.
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Right.
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There's so many moving parts in this plan
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and none of it makes sense.
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None.
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If Alex was right and the New World Order
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secretly wanted people to think that the US did 9-11,
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wouldn't the people who said that the US did 9-11
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be promoted and pushed by the media
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and not completely marginalized?
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You'd think that the globalists who control all world media
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wouldn't want 9-11 conspiracy theorists
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to be treated like completely unhinged idiots
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because their claims being accepted
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is actually an essential step
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in achieving the globalists' aims.
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And yet, every news story from around the time
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about 9-11 conspiracies treats these people
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as completely wrong or as malicious liars.
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Right.
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That shouldn't be the case
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of what Alex is saying is accurate.
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No, no, no, you don't understand.
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Only thinking people need to know this information.
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Right?
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And the only way to get thinking people
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to know this information
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is to have the mainstream media deny that information
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because thinking people will then go,
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oh, well, the mainstream media is always lying to me.
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So if the mainstream media is telling this side of the story
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that means obviously that the truth is
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that the United States did 9-11.
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However, not the United States government.
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It's actually the Illuminati who are doing this.
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Hey, we're out of Coke.
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I understand, you have a great chart.
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Listen, I would have been a lot better at Scattergories.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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Also, if the globalists really wanted to make people
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not like the United States,
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they could just have a more realistic frank discussion
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about US foreign policy in our history.
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That would probably tarnish people's impressions
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of our country real quick.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's no need to do a 9-11.
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That is unnecessary.
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Put the real story of banana republicates
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in every high school textbook
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and everybody will be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I hate America too.
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Good call.
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Good call, 100.
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Yeah, so I think I kind of agree
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with something that a caller says a little bit here.
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The first point was I wanted to point out
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how recently with Uday and Qusay with them being killed,
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it really shows what a sadist culture we live in
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where people are celebrating the deaths of these two men
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and they totally forget that we've already lost
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hundreds of our men and we're losing men every day.
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But it's a big Super Bowl win.
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Yeah, they said in the news Bush was down,
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but he just had a big victory.
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Poll numbers are going back up.
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By the way, Mike, I don't even buy that these guys are dead.
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So Alex is still not believing that Saddam's kids.
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Nope, they're fine in the Bahamas.
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Another great prediction from Alex's history.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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His instincts are so sharp.
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Trust me, he knows, okay?
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Yeah, man.
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It's the Illuminati.
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But I do agree with this caller that there is a kind,
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it was pretty grotesque, the releasing the death footage,
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or the dead images of them.
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And I understand that there was a reason
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why the government did that,
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and we'll talk about that in a little bit,
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but I still don't care.
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I understand the reason as an explanation.
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Don't think it was the right thing to do.
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And Alex is really dumb.
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Yeah.
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All those things can be true simultaneously.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So Alex believes they're fake
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and he gives just the perfect real world analogy.
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Let's explain it.
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The administration says they're going to serve up
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photographs of Uday and Usay as proof to the Iraqis.
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And that's what I just said.
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Yeah, no independent forensics
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or any such trivial matters as that.
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Hey, hey, they're getting them ready.
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It'll take a few days.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, okay.
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And they better do a good job.
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I bet they're gonna be blurred.
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That way you can't go in with a computer
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and show the editing.
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Well, even if they're-
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Which we've done with past photos.
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Go ahead.
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Even if they're crystal clear,
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that doesn't mean they weren't cooked.
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Yeah, okay.
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Now, these two-
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Hey, wait a minute.
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I'll hold you over, Roger, and let you finish.
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You know Mad Dog Ben Richards,
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the brutal slayer of 50 men, women, and children.
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I mean, he did it.
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He's gonna be on the running man tonight.
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Ready to pay his debts to society in full.
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We don't lie.
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It's all good and well to present a theory
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that the government's gonna fake some kind of evidence,
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but I think it doesn't really make for a compelling case
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when you just come up with like,
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you know, trying to come up with a real life example
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and you just reference a movie.
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Well, I mean, there was that time that Sub-Zero
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was chasing down, you know, John Richard, right?
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And he was on the ice rink,
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and the ice rink is the Twin Towers, okay?
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And so he's skating on the ice rink and that's Al-Qaeda.
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And then John Richards, he tied him up in the gold net,
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which is Alex Jones.
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But there's a sub twist to the story.
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Yes.
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You may notice that Alex does this all the time
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because he believes that movies
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are speaking cryptic messages to him.
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The New World Order is taunting him
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and revealing their truths through the movies
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that he chooses to see.
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So saying it's just like Running Man
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may as well be Alex providing actual instances
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of the New World Order, doing the thing
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that he's claiming that they do all the time
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as he's out of his mind.
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The Pentagon did release photos of Uday and Kusei's bodies,
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which a lot of people rightly thought was gross.
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Alex and this caller are just pretending
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that they didn't also do dental exams and x-rays
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to confirm that these bodies were in fact Saddam's kids,
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because it sounds more fishy if it was just a picture.
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It sounds way better if you say,
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oh, they're spending days preparing them.
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They're not doing any of those normal things.
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The photos are legit out before this episode is over.
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Of course.
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Although there were things like one of the bodies
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having an eight inch metal bar in its leg,
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which Uday got after he was the target
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of an attempted assassination in 1996.
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Right, and Kusei's dick is huge.
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Right now.
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What?
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What?
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There were plenty of pieces of evidence
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that these were Saddam's kids,
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but the Pentagon was also really set
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on making sure that people who were fighting
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against them in Iraq accepted that these were Saddam's kids
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because that would have a demoralizing effect.
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And I understand that that is the reason
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why you would release the photos.
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Again, I think it's gross.
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I suspect that the clear intention that was evident
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that they wanted to prove that this was Uday and Kusei
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set off the distrust alarm
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at people like Alex and this caller,
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and they can't accept what's being said
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because they are so trained to be defiant and oppositional.
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Right, and it's almost a preemptive attack on them.
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You know, that idea of like,
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we're gonna release the photos, so you can't lie about it.
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You know, they have to immediately go like,
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I'll fucking lie about it for sure.
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I'll lie about more now.
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This defiance thing, it doesn't even really matter,
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I don't think, what's being said.
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Like, if Biden and the international community,
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I don't know how this would happen,
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but somehow if they sided with Russia.
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Sell me on this one.
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Like, if they were like,
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Russia was right to invade Ukraine.
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Right, right, right.
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Alex would be defending Ukraine.
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Yeah.
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It would just like.
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You know, yeah, you're probably right.
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It doesn't matter.
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It's just whatever is being said
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by the people that he doesn't like,
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he's gotta take the opposite side, and it's tiring.
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Biden's like, we're teaming up with Russia
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to fight the Nazis in Ukraine,
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and Alex is like, I love the Nazis in Ukraine!
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I'm in the Azov battalion!
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I did qualify that I don't know how that would happen.
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But yeah, Alex would take the opposite side.
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100%.
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So, Alex gets another caller,
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and this means nothing.
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It has nothing to do with anything,
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but I really enjoy this guy's thought pattern.
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Okay.
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You know, I'm convinced of one thing,
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that one of, I don't see which one,
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one of the intelligence agencies
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started the New Age movement,
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because it's a great way.
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Well, sir, the army did.
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That's a fact.
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We have the official textbooks.
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Yeah, because, you know,
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and I first got a tip on that about several years back,
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when I drove past, regularly,
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one of these New Age bookstores,
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and no one was ever in it,
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and I said, how could they stay in business?
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They gotta be subsidized.
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Well, thanks for the call.
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We're like, play shit, bitch.
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Mm-hmm.
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So there was an unsuccessful New Age bookstore
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in this guy's town.
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He was like, fuck, that's a CIA man.
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Well, obviously the CIA runs it.
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Right.
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I mean, there's a lot of other conclusions
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you could come to.
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Like a tax shelter.
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It could be a tax shelter.
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That's obviously the first option.
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Aren't all bookstores tax shelters now?
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Or it could be a situation
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where the person's independently wealthy,
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and it's just a passion thing.
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Why not?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Oh, I'll run this New Age bookstore in the red
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just so I have somewhere to go every day.
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Sure, maybe their spouse is a really successful
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person in business,
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and it's like, well, here, you do your pet project
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or whatever. Exactly.
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Yeah, maybe it'll be profitable someday.
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Sure.
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Yep.
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There's all kinds of explanations that don't require
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the CIA is subsidizing this bookstore in my town,
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wherever the fuck you live.
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But, you know, and you say that,
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but 99 times out of 100, sure, I'm wrong.
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But if I'm right that one time,
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I saved everybody's life.
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Also, let's talk about what importance
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this small town bookstore, or whatever,
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has to the larger New Age movement.
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All right.
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Now we're getting into the real nitty-gritty
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of this conspiracy by Fred.
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This bookstore that this guy never saw anybody in,
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is it like the central hub of the New Age movement?
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I mean, what is it?
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Is it like the Haight-Ashbury for the hippies?
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Here's the problem.
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What he's gotta do, underground bunker.
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There's something underneath there that is,
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so his small town, he's got a giant oil deposit
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directly beneath the New Age bookstore.
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The CIA starts the entirety of New Age thought
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in 18, let's call it, 94.
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Well, the army did it.
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We can prove it.
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Yes, exactly.
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We can prove that.
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And that is how they get all the oil for tanks.
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It all comes from that one New Age bookstore.
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Wow.
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And we never would've cracked the code
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if it wasn't for this color. We never would've cracked
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the code if that guy wasn't like, that's weird.
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I'm proud of him.
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I'm not proud of this color.
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Oh, okay.
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Alex, I have been trying to get a cable access show
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since 1998.
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Now, the such things as a black Christian group
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from a church that does a little singing and piano playing.
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Oh boy.
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And walk in and get a cable access show
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and no trouble at all.
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Or some idiot talking about an invisible dog fence
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can walk in and get a show.
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And I had been trying to show a film about Waco
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since 1998.
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I've got a stack of your films down there.
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Well, what do they say when you go in there?
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Leave us alone.
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You're on the list, Mr. Campbell.
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And it's been since 1998.
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Well, you need to go in and get their bylaws
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and their rules and file suit against them.
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I have.
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Get those bylaws.
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I'm the county attorney.
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I've been to the county commissioners.
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Well, don't go to them.
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Just file suit on them.
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You'll be on the air in about 10 minutes.
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When any of the films have an effect,
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they'll shut the access station down.
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They've done it a bunch of places
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and from New York to New Jersey.
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And my name has been listed in the news articles
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because of my films.
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They have emergency meetings.
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In one case, feds show up and they shut the stations down.
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All because they don't want you to see these videos.
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Wow, he must be really disseminating
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some pretty seriously dangerous information
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if the feds shut down these stations
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just because they're playing Alex's videos.
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The whole station.
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Oh, boy.
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So I like this.
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I like this idea.
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Like, this guy obviously, for whatever reason,
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I mean, it could just be a situation where
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they don't have a slot for him.
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Sure.
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And some people might be more aggressive about trying
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to get their slot.
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Maybe he's going about it the wrong way,
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talking to attorneys and such.
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Yeah, that is a weird way to go.
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What Alex is describing isn't like, give them
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a lawsuit that is merit based.
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He's essentially saying, threaten to sue them.
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And they will put you on air because they
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don't want to deal with it.
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They don't have a law against lawsuits anymore, or yet,
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in 2003.
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Depending on the state, you might
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be able to let that shit fly.
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So yeah, this is basically harass them
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with threats of litigation, and you'll get on air,
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and then you can play my stuff.
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And then, in doing so, you will destroy the station
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and it will get shut down.
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Correct.
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I like this media economy.
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It's a very reasonable series of events
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that would totally occur, as he described it.
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The FBI would show up at a local access TV station.
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Hey, are you playing Infowar stuff?
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How dare you, sir.
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You're going with me.
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You are in the back.
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Guantanamo for you.
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Yeah, totally.
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So this is a bit racist.
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Well, I mean, that last caller was a bit racist, too.
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A touch.
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That was a touch racist.
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He had the racism in his body.
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But then also, it was wildly specific about an idiot
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with an invisible dog's face.
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It sounds like he's got an axe to grind
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against this specific guy.
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Yeah, he's mad at that dude.
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This is a bit more racist.
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I've lived in the United States my whole life.
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I've traveled around the world.
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I was in the military.
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But if you go back 15 years ago, Alex,
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and I'm sure it's like this in Texas,
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you go to any fast food restaurant, McDonald's, Wendy's,
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Taco Bell, you name it, the majority of the workers
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are Hispanic.
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The majority of them cannot speak English.
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Most of the time, I have a bilingual Hispanic
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working in the restaurant, and he kind of controls
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what's going on in there.
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Yeah, and let me break that down.
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Then what happens is it drives down the overall wages,
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breaks down the society.
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And if the government wanted to enforce INS rules,
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they would go and fine and fee and arrest
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all these corporate leaders.
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But that's not going to happen.
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And folks, we used to have a couple hundred thousand
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immigrants a year.
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Now it's millions legal, millions illegal every year.
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And they're being filled by the Fortune 500
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full of race politics, whether they're
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Russians or Chinese or Hispanics.
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We always talk about Hispanics because they're
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the majority, the 400 million in Latin America,
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20 million new births a year coming this way.
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And yeah, it's just felony crimes
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being committed everywhere, but the government
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is legitimizing it.
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800 plus cities accept fake IDs from Poland, Mexico, Venezuela,
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the matriculus.
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It's just wholesale destruction of the republic.
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Absolutely, Alex.
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And you know what?
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And the other thing I wanted to make a point
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is I have a relative who works for the state of Illinois.
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And she told me, she heard that a lot of these gas stations
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and convenience stores and Dunkin' Donuts
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are all being bought up by Pakistani or Indians.
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And they're supposedly tagged, at least
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in the state of Illinois, she said,
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she knows that they're tax exempt for seven years.
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Now, Alex, if there's any truth to it,
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then she said they milk the system.
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And what they'll do is they'll bring a brother.
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No, sir, that's true.
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Foreigners get a seven-year tax exemption.
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What?
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Senator from Utah wants to give the illegals more tuition.
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I read the bill, not just as much,
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more tuition than citizens.
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It's a magnet to bring hundreds of millions of people
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in who will then pull the lever for gun control
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and big government and everything else.
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It's horrible, Alex.
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So you may notice that this caller is just
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bringing up a feeling that he has that all fast food
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kitchens have a lot of Hispanic employees, which Alex then
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immediately pivots into a conversation about his fears
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about immigrants.
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It's fascinating how Alex just hears about a minority
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group getting mentioned, and his mind
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flips through the talking point Rolodex,
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and this is what comes out.
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This then spirals into Alex complaining
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about his perception that immigrant crime is completely
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out of control, and that all these fake IDs
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are accepted for immigrants, and this is destroying the country.
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That's where his mind goes when someone brings up
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a feeling that a lot of fast food workers are Hispanic.
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And that should tell you a lot about Alex
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and his racist-ass brain.
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You bet.
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Also, the idea that foreigners get tax exemption
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is a completely racist myth that circulated forever
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to demonize non-white business owners,
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but it's not true at all.
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The irony here is that it actually
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has its roots in another reality of immigration
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that people like Alex and this caller pretend isn't real,
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namely that you're not eligible for most federal benefits
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from the government until five years after you immigrate.
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Because the right-wing media, they
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need to portray immigrants as solely a strain on the system,
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this entire thing needs to be inverted.
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In reality, most folks aren't eligible for benefits,
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and if they run a business, they have to pay taxes.
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This gets reported by racist xenophobes like Alex
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as them getting rich on welfare immediately
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and being tax-exempt for seven years.
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It's just bigot shit, and there's
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nothing real about this at all.
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And again, at the end here, you see
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this payoff turn into the great replacement conspiracy theory,
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the idea that the globalists are trying
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to bring in all these immigrants using incentives
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like welfare and tax exemption in order
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to bring in a population that will vote subserviently
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for things that will take the country away
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from the rightful whites like Alex.
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In more recent times, with a lot of mass shootings and violence
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directed at immigrants and being inspired
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by people's anger at immigration,
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this great replacement conspiracy
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has gotten a lot of attention.
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It's important to recognize, though,
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that this was a belief that was very clearly and regularly
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articulated on Alex's show going back at least a decade.
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The people who are carrying out these shootings
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now could very easily have been raised
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with the kind of information space
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that Alex creates, where this fraudulent perception
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and perspective on immigration is just accepted as reality.
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Yep.
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It's not recent.
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Yeah, I mean, you go back to Pat Buchanan.
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You go back to, you can just keep going back and back
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and back because white people are terrified
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that they won't be able to run roughshod
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over the rest of the world for long.
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And just that things are being taken.
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Things are different.
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Yeah.
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And they're not even being taken.
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So throughout this entire episode,
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Alex has been bringing up that the website is down,
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that infors.com is down.
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And it's been a really banal non-scandal.
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Up until the hack.
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They built the infrastructure.
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They're engaging in tyranny against the people,
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whether you're for their system or against it every day
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in a compartmentalized fashion.
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People don't know how to communicate with each other.
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The media keeps this illusion going.
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The globalists are fighting to shut down alternative media.
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Wait, aren't they letting you?
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And people have to start valuing alternative information
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and spreading the word about alternative information
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every way they can.
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And I've talked to my IT guy, DeWayne Kuch,
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and he's never seen anything like it.
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It is a massive attack, denial of service, you name it.
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Multiple forms of attacks on the entire server farm
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and particular offshoot feeding the infowars.com
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and prisonplanet.com because the site
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gets tens of millions of visitors a month now, literally.
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And so sometimes at midnight or something
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when it reloads or something, it'll
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go down for a few minutes.
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And then we fix it.
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It's still rare.
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This one is huge and sustained.
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And it'll just make people go to the site
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more because they can't get to it.
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But infowars.net is up.
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And we're putting the photos of Kwese and the Saddam brothers,
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the sons, up on the site.
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So infowars.net's there and has been updated.
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He doesn't know their names, but man, he's sure they're not dead.
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Definitely not dead.
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Yeah, so now we've got a coordinated massive attack
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on the website.
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Here's how we talked about it at the beginning of the show.
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I didn't even cut clips of him talking about it
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because I thought, oh, I got a little tech issue.
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That's basically all that was going on.
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Before I take 20 calls on air about this subject,
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let me just cover it now.
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Infowars.com and prisonplanet.com are rarely down.
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But as the traffic has grown, we've
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had to expand the size of servers and server farms.
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And every time we grow out of our britches,
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we have some problems.
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But the current outage, I'm told,
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is because of some of the backbone of the internet
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itself, where our servers are located.
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There's a problem in that city.
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And we've already gotten a bunch of calls at my office.
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And then we've gotten calls at the network and a bunch
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of emails that people can't get to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com.
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And I apologize.
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But that should be up very, very soon.
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Yeah, it's just a tech problem.
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When I heard him talking about it
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throughout the beginning of the show,
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I was like, you're leaving money on the table, man.
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Right.
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This is scalar attack.
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In the future, you would never do this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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This is victim time, baby.
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You're under attack.
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Because, I mean, obviously, if someone's attacking
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the website, it's the globalists.
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It's got to be.
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And if the globalists are doing it,
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that means they're only doing it because they're
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scared of the information you're putting out.
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It's why you do this.
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Right.
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Here's a problem I have with this right here.
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I have a problem, too.
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You go first.
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OK, OK.
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How can the globalists both be furiously trying
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to shut down alternative media sites
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and simultaneously using alternative media
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to disseminate information that they need disseminated?
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Well, it's because by attacking it,
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it'll only make Alex more popular,
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because they know that the globalists attacking him
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will make him look more legit.
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Right.
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And so they're doing it as a favor to him
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to help get this message out, so people
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will turn against the United States
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and enjoy the United Nations.
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I mean, you know what?
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When you put it like that, air tight.
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Here's my problem.
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What's that?
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Ain't nobody give a shit about his dumb ass show
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about the two-time critic.
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That is true.
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There is that.
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There is that.
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Tens of millions of hits every month.
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Maybe there are millions of individual page views,
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but not visitors.
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No.
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But yeah, no one cared enough to take down
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your fucking stupid site.
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Definitely not.
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But here, he's very clear it's because he's too dangerous.
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That's what fighting for the republic's all about, folks.
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They don't want you to read about the drones
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and the microchips and the slavery
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from their own publications.
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They don't want it all posted in one spot every day,
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mountains of their evil, mountains of their corruption,
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because we're hurting them so bad.
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So a counterattack shows that they're
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trying to attack our key infrastructure,
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and it's not going to work.
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Yeah, it just proves how dangerous his information
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is to the globalists.
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I mean, he did say earlier that it was actually not even
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traffic.
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It wasn't related to him.
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No, it was in the city, the town where the servers physically
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were held.
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Boy, it's weird, isn't it?
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So it's both a DDoS attack and, apparently, a saboteur.
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It's all things at once.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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This is sort of an interesting proto version
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of Alex's marketing plan that he would
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use once he got kicked off all the social media stuff.
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It's like, come find the verboten information,
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that kind of thing.
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It's baked into the very DNA of his show,
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this people not wanting my shit around or whatever.
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Any kind of setback that I can have,
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whether it is getting kicked off something or a tech problem,
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can be presented as proof that what I'm doing
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is fucking serious and dangerous.
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And it'll never stop because people really
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don't want me around.
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That is true.
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Wow, is it true.
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Now, we could have suspects.
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Wait, of the saboteurs?
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OK.
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But actually, we don't.
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We know who it is.
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The website to visit is infowars.net.
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That's the site we updated today.
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That's the site that's not under Department of Defense
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hack attack.
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And it's official, folks.
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I don't talk about it on the air.
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It's happened a lot.
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And they're getting more sophisticated and multifaceted.
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The diagnostics have been done.
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It's a wholesale massive attack of the largest proportions
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we've ever seen.
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Tricky, tricky.
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Wow.
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It's tricky.
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It's tricky for a massive attack.
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That is so sad.
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He's doing it.
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No, it's the DOD.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, boy.
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That is very sad.
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That's the type of bullshit where
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I bet he got off air that day like, man, that was so great
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when I riffed into that DDoS attack.
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That was pretty.
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Hey, guys, did you hear that?
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We got attacked by a fucking angel.
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And honestly, I've heard this.
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Wait, those are songs.
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I don't remember any of the other members of massive attacks
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names, and I apologize for that.
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You're all right.
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Look, this is something he's done a bit.
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But I've only heard it later than this.
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This is the furthest back I've heard the hack
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attack fun game being played.
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And it's clunky.
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It's a little transparent.
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That was Young Internet Times 03.
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That's crazy.
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It's true.
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It's hard.
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He was probably hosting it on Angel Fire and shit.
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Yeah, this is probably before he had an Infowars dating site.
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He's still searching on Netscape.
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So that's dumb, and it's fun for him.
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But he gets a call, and this is where everything goes to shit.
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OK, good.
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This is our twist.
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There was a sub twist.
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Oh, no.
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The main twist is that this caller is a sovereign citizen.
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OK.
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I was watching something.
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I'm here in Austin.
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So I see all the public access stuff that goes on.
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And I saw something the other day.
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It was a speech that I don't even remember who was giving it.
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But he talked about how no nations are actually nations.
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They're really corporations.
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And everything runs under International Maritime
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Admiralty.
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Duh.
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Birth certificates in the US are actually
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worth $630,000 to the US government.
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Now, that's true.
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We're traded.
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This is all.
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I'm sorry, what now?
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We're traded as collateral.
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I'm sorry, hold on, what now?
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On debt.
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Could you stop one second?
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And deals with the third world.
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We posted three or four times in the last month.
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People keep requesting it.
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The official State Department document from 1991
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detailing a declassified plan since 1974
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with Kissinger and others, 73, excuse me,
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that if third world countries want money, IMF World Bank
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loans, they have to sign their people over as collateral.
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And they have to sterilize, forcibly,
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half the women in those 10 countries.
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So we don't just have the facts that
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we're traded like cattle on the open market.
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We have official government documents.
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Yeah, so this dude's just having straight up sovereign citizen
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shit here.
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Oh, yeah.
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None of that's real at all.
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And Alex is rambling around making vague references
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to some document.
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But it's actually just the National Security Study
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Memorandum 200.
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This is an analysis of population growth trends
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and their implications for national security.
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It had nothing to do with signing over populations
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as collateral.
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And the stuff about sterilization
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is just Alex lying about suggestions in the document
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about providing funding for contraception in the developing
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world.
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Everything Alex is saying is bullshit.
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And it's being deployed to justify
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the sovereign citizen nonsense that this caller
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is asking about.
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Really makes you wonder if Alex actually believes
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the sovereign citizen shit or if this is just
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a desperate attempt to make sure the audience thinks
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he knows everything and is really interesting.
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Yeah.
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I can't tell.
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Maybe both.
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I mean, that might as well be sovereign citizen shit.
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No, the caller is bringing it up, and Alex is saying,
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you bet, which is in function pretty bad.
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Because whatever the case, if you're a listener
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and you believe Alex, he's leading you
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down an insane and dangerous path.
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These kinds of beliefs funnel directly
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into the world of sovereign citizen communities.
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And from there, you have a much greater chance
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of taking in ideas about how your supposed rights might
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make you kill a cop who pulls you over
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for driving without a license.
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There you go.
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Alex should really be more careful
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and not just make shit up whenever he wants to feel smart.
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But there's a sub twist.
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Oh, no.
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Sub twist.
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Oh, no.
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And I remember old timers eight years ago
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talking about the maritime.
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And that's how it really ran in the courts.
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And then now there have been cases like Diana Lupi,
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the famous screenwriter out and was in the New American
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magazine, big reporters also in the Associated Press
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three years ago.
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She owned 90 something makers and a beautiful three story
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house on private land with public land around it.
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The house was homesteaded to 1906.
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And they went and closed public roads that on the maps
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were not even part of the Forest Service and not cross
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Forest Service lands, but on three sides, it was Forest
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Service lands.
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They came to her house, grabbed her,
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wouldn't let her have her stuff, arrested her,
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said you can't have a jury.
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We're taking your house.
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No warrants, no judge.
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She went before the judge and he said, this is maritime.
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We have seized your land.
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I'm sorry, what?
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And that was in the federal ruling.
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And there's many of those, but now they say it.
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Yeah, there's so many of those.
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Do I understand correctly that the judge said,
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this is maritime law.
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So the judge in the city.
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Like he was declaring this is a coup matai.
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Exactly.
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OK.
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All right.
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I just want to be clear that according to Alex.
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The mental image is amazing.
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I love it.
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No, I really do.
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I see her and I see the judge being
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at an absurdly tall bench.
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She's looking up like, I just want my home, please.
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She's making like a legitimate, really grounded legal argument.
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And he's like, lady, I'm sorry, it doesn't matter.
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This is maritime.
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I would like to quote many different cited cases.
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No, maritime law.
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Maritime.
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What dumb shit.
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Oh, boy.
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So no.
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We have one last clip where we have
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to really wrestle with the fact that I think Alex does
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believe sovereign citizenship.
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OK.
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But this image is also really fantastic.
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And under admiralty, they are a private corporation
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authorizing themselves to engage in seizure
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of any vessel not flying the Jolly Roger.
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And that sounds ridiculous, but that's what Skull and Bones is
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a cult of the Skull and Bones.
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And on the wall, they have war.
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They say we are the pirate kings.
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And it's a society of piracy and wickedness and criminality.
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And they have set themselves up as the government.
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And everyone is free game unless they
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are in the criminal crime syndicate
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and openly fly the Jolly Roger.
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That sounds true.
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That's some pretty scary stuff.
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Yeah, man.
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That's some pretty scary stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So should we be flying the Jolly Roger then?
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I mean, what do you mean?
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Are you asking if it's a good idea to?
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I feel like he's saying that one way
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to get around a lot of these problems
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is simply to fly the Jolly Roger.
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I wonder if he's actually talking
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about the Jolly Roger flying.
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He must be.
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Or if it's a metaphor for like the Mark of the Beast.
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He could be.
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I don't know.
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I'm being too generous.
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I really think he's talking specifically about.
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Well, I mean, because Skull and Bones is like the Jolly Roger.
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Right, and we can't steal their shit.
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Well, but that makes me think that it is literally
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a Skull and Crossbones that he's talking about.
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OK.
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So I think we need to get one.
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I think we got to learn more about pirates.
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Well, you got to give it up to them.
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It's true.
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From wherever they are now.
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And you know what?
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Blackbeard is the devil.
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Right?
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Something like that.
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Well, they make you walk the plank.
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That's really about accepting Jesus.
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So if I understand correctly.
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If I understand correctly, you, like the cops
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could come to your home.
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And they'd be like, it's maritime law.
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We're going to take this.
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But then if you like raise the Jolly Roger.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Cops can't declare maritime.
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Oh, I apologize.
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It's got to be a judge.
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It's got to be a judge.
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It's got to be a judge.
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My bad.
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The cops could be told by the judge it's maritime.
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So the cops have a writ of maritime law.
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Right.
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Yes.
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It's got gold tassels on it.
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That they nail it to the door first, of course,
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to give them notice.
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Yeah, naturally.
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And actually, you have to make a movie
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about how this person's house is going to be seized.
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And they have to choose to see it in order
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for it to be a predictive program.
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Right.
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And Arnold Schwarzenegger has to star in it.
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Yeah.
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He was actually running for mayor or governor
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at this point in 2003.
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Although a small update on that, Alex
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got a call from a guy on this episode
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who said that Arnold isn't going to run for governor.
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How did that go?
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Alex doesn't seem to care that much at this point,
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but he also does not like Arnold.
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So I'm tracking that, but the call wasn't interesting.
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We'll keep an eye.
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Especially compared to this revelation
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that Alex is probably a sovereign citizen.
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Wild.
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I mean, and really.
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He dances around it so much, but this
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is one of the more concrete instances of like,
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oh, you do believe this shit.
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And that's funny.
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I think he's at this place in his head where it's like,
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I believe this is true, but I know that they're not
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going to act like it's true.
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So I'm not going to be the person who drives around
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without a license.
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I have to follow all of these rules,
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but I know in my heart that I don't really have to.
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I'm not going to send notice and my social security card
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back to the IRS or whatever and demand my $600,000 bank
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account.
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Yeah, he's not going to do that.
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No, he's probably not.
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No.
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Although he could use it.
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He might need it later.
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He could use it.
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Shit's bad.
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Well, anyway, we come to the end of this 2003 adventure,
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and we learned a bit.
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I mean, sub-twist after sub-twist.
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So many sub-twists.
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So many twists.
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I really don't like cinnamon twists.
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Thought I had a hankering.
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Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, with another non-present day
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Alex show, as he's been banished.
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Banished until the mark of death.
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To Davy Jones' locker, which is hell.
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Which is hell, yes.
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Wait, they flew their Jolly Roger, though,
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so the globalists can't get to them.
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But you're afraid of going to Davy Jones' locker.
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Eh.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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But until then, we have a website.
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm Dizzy X Clark,
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Daryl Arundis, because Dr. Marbles is a bad dude.
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I'll figure something else out.
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Anyway.
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And now, here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.