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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selim and talk a little bit about
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Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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Yes, what's up?
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What's your bright spot today, sir?
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My bright spot today might be a controversial bright spot.
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Controversial bright spot.
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Maybe one that people won't come on board for.
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Okay, okay.
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And that is, I'm excited that it's winter.
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Ah, I see, I see.
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I didn't realize it until maybe like a couple weeks ago, but I was like, I am pumped that
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a Chicago winter is coming.
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You know, like I didn't realize how much I enjoy it.
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I like a winter.
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And I know I say that and then it's going to be negative 20 and I'm like, I hate winter.
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No, no, no.
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That is the nature of the beast.
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Yeah, but I don't think I could live in a place that didn't have a winter.
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And it's kind of nice to have a little bit of snow coming.
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Yeah, it's a nice thing to have the seasons change something for you without you having
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to like move or something, you know?
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Sure.
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Like I just, all I did was just sit here for a while and things are different now.
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That's not bad.
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No.
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No.
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Yeah, and you know, I think the, it feels like the leaves fell off the trees like within
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a matter of a couple days.
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Awful quick.
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Like overnight and then now it's snowing.
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Yep.
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Alright, here we go.
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It was fine.
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It was a nice sunny day and then about two in the afternoon it's just like, well, it's
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going to be winter forever now.
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Yeah, zero to 60 or 60 to zero I guess in this case.
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Oh, nice.
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I like fall probably the best.
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Sure.
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But then, yeah, winter's pretty good.
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Winter's pretty good.
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I don't think, as much as I love, you know, the islands.
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Sure.
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The tropics.
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Sure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know.
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I might miss winter.
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The winter is, I'm an indoor kid.
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I'm an indoor kid, man.
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Sure.
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You know, I don't like to be outside much anyway.
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So if it's super cold, that just gives me an excuse to get back inside that much quicker.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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And if you're an indoor kid, I can just bring snowballs inside your house.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Throw them at you.
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I'll put them in the freezer and then we'll have a good time.
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For sure.
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, Dan, is, I'm surprised it was not your bright spot as well, but we had
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a bit of a fun time watching wrestling with the.
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Want to go watch AEW's Full Gear pay-per-view.
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Yes, with Marty and Sarah of Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling.
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Yeah.
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We had a nice off-air crossover episode, I believe is what people are calling a hanging
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out these days.
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It was a goddamn fist fight.
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It was a goddamn fist fight.
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It was a fantastic time.
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It was great to see them.
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I haven't been to their place in, you know, it was just great.
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It was fantastic.
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It was a lot of fun.
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It was good times hanging out.
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I am going to keep my review of the pay-per-view of myself.
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Yes, we'll keep one of those.
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Except to say it was too long.
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Too long!
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Too long.
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That is not going to be a controversial bright spot.
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Probably not.
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So, Jordan, today we're going back to the past.
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We're going to be talking about June 27th, 2003.
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Okay.
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On this here episode.
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And one of the reasons for that was that on our last episode of the present day, I think
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I got enough of Alex.
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This guy's a real dick.
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He's a real piece of shit.
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And I want to maintain there being some things to learn on this here podcast.
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Sure.
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And so I wanted to dig back and find some meaty stuff to go over.
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And I did.
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I found some things that are, I think, going to be really interesting to get into.
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Some perceptions that will be busted.
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Ooh.
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Maybe a little...
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A little knock, knock, knock.
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A little perceptions.
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You're busted.
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You're busted.
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And I'm excited to get into that, but before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to some new
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wonks.
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That's a great idea.
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So first, Mark Mack in Mayberry RFD.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Mark Mack.
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Thank you.
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Next, my partner's two cats are named Tom and Bosley, and she didn't get why it was
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funny.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, it's not the globalist but eating disorder that consumes kids.
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Fuck eating disorder.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, and we agree.
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Next, you can't say that on the HPG network.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Strange aliases.
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Yeah.
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Not this one, though.
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J.D.
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Thank you so much.
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I love it.
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Hello, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, J.D.
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And Mr. Jones and me look into the deep state.
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Yeah, we stare at the desertly globalists.
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They're coming for you.
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Oh, no, no.
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They're coming for me.
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I want to beat Bob Dylan.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I like this message.
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Thank you.
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This person who had that to be their name.
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Thank God they included a clarification that-
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Did they perhaps sing-
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No, no.
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They had a clarification that was a Counting Crows reference, and I really appreciated
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that, because I don't know if I would have got that otherwise.
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Yeah, it would have been interesting to see you read the entire thing without knowledge
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that it was lyrics.
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What is this?
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Yeah, that would be fun.
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And we got a technocrat to say hello to, so J.Z. in Olympia.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, J.Z. in Olympia, and it's not-
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Thank you very much.
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It's two letters.
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It's J.Z.
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Right, right.
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It's not the J.Z. in the Illuminati.
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No, no.
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It's a different J.Z.
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Not Mr. Beyonce.
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Right, right, right, right.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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Not the king's queen.
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It's a J and a Z.
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So, Jordan, we start off today's episode with some triumphant news for some, some possibly
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iffy news for Alex that he interprets in a strange way.
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US Senator, the oldest US Senator, the longest serving US Senator who just left office last
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year died this morning.
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Former US Senator Strom Thurmond dies.
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Strom Thurmond, the longest serving Senator in US history died Thursday.
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He was 100.
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So he died in the, I guess, early morning hours yesterday.
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Again, Thurmond died at 9.45 PM local time in a hospital in his hometown of Edgar Field,
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said his son, Strom Thurmond Jr.
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He served as a Senator from South Carolina for 48 years, as both a Democrat and later
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as a Republican.
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And Strom Thurmond was attacked viciously and endlessly because he wasn't a Democrat
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and he wasn't a Klan member.
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So he was called a racist.
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If you're a Klan member, if you hate black people, if you try to exterminate them, you're
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called a member.
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Sir, I have a question.
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You're called a right wing extremist if you care about black people.
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And so he was attacked.
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He was attacked.
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Excuse me, sir.
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He was attacked.
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Excuse me, sir.
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He was attacked.
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He was attacked.
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He wanted slavery back.
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So yeah, I think this is an interesting take on Strom Thurmond and why people would call
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him a racist.
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Wow.
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This is full of shit.
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Yikes.
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So for instance, even in the information that Alex provided in just that clip, you might
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end up like, if that's all you had to go on, you might ask yourself, why did Strom Thurmond
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go from being a Democrat to being a Republican?
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Why?
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Why didn't Alex get into any of that?
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It seems like something that maybe was a big decision for him.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if a lot of people at the same time became, went from being Democrats to becoming
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Republicans.
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So the short version is that Strom was a huge racist and the Democratic party wasn't racist
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enough for him anymore.
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Not anymore.
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So the longer version is that in 1956, many Southern Democrats or Dixiecrats as they were
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known after they went a little rogue in response to Harry S. Truman supporting some civil rights
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things in the 1948 election.
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So these Dixiecrats were really pissed off about the Supreme Court's decision in Brown
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versus Board of Education, which ruled that racially segregated schools were unconstitutional.
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In response, 112 of the 138 members of Congress from Southern states signed what they called
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the Southern Manifesto.
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This document insisted that the Supreme Court had no right to meddle in the matters of education.
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And if, you know, states wanted to make it so people of different races had to go to
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separate schools, protecting that right was critically important.
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It's states' rights, Dan.
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It's not, it's about the federal system getting out of our business.
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It's important to protect the Constitution.
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Absolutely.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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So they pleaded that they should be able to keep their whole separate but equal thing
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going and blamed efforts to desegregate on quote, outside meddlers.
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I've never heard that before.
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Totally.
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That's so weird that outside meddlers have been, they have been fucking up the progressive
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movement for so long.
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Very effective over time.
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Yeah.
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Undefeated outside meddlers.
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They warned that trying to integrate schools was going to destroy the amicable relations
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between the races.
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Literally.
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That's in the Southern Manifesto.
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Oh, of course it is.
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They have to, they have to really gaslight you if you want to, if you want to maintain
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slavery you've got to really gaslight people.
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Yeah.
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They commended the quote, states which have declared the intention to resist forced integration
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by any lawful means.
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So Strom Thurmond, as a Southern member of the Senate, was a massive fan of segregation
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and he signed on to the Southern Manifesto.
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Huge fan.
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This was a losing battle he was fighting as the tide was trending towards civil rights
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but that didn't stop him from really trying fucking hard.
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And that brings us to August 28th, 1957 when Strom Thurmond embarked on the longest filibuster
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in history attempting to derail the Civil Rights Act of 1957.
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You got it.
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A large part of which had to do with protecting black people's right to vote.
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Wow, there is that.
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He filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes but the bill passed a couple hours after he
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ran out of steam.
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He achieved essentially nothing except making sure people throughout history would remember
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him as a record-setting racist.
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Flash forward a few years and LBJ had just signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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This was a big one as it outlawed discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex
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and national origin.
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This covered voting issues, public accommodations, public facilities, education and employment
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discrimination so as you can easily imagine the racists were really not happy about this.
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Oh, they weren't stoked.
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LBJ's assistant Bill Moyers has quoted Johnson as saying, quote, I think we just delivered
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the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come after he'd signed the bill and
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at the time he couldn't have possibly known how right he was.
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The cracks were there since the Truman administration's embrace of civil rights and this LBJ shit
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was just too much.
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The Republican Party would soon roll out the Southern strategy, an attempt to win over
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white southern voters by explicitly appealing to their racism.
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This was essentially the point where the parties completely changed their identities from what
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they were previously and many of the southern Democrats became Republicans.
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There were still some racist Democrats for sure but a lot of the hardcore folks like
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a guy who would speak for 24 hours straight to try and stop black people from being guaranteed
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equal voting rights, they just made their jump to the Republican Party.
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That's where they were always meant to be.
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Yep.
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Not to put too fine a point on it but Strom Thurmond is essentially synonymous with racism.
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Even though he did soften as time went on and he would eventually do things like vote
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in favor of making a holiday in honor of Martin Luther King Jr., his legacy is impossible
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to separate from his horrible racism at a time when it really mattered a lot.
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The fact that Alex can't even accept this very clear reality of history is an indication
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of how entrenched his own racism is, even in 2003.
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He's just a little publicly less angry about it at this point in his career.
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You know what's wild about the Strom Thurmond thing is I remember in my freshman history
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class we were talking about the president pro tempore of the Senate being fourth in
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line for becoming the president and I was like, who is that now?
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And they go, well, they usually just give it to the oldest senator.
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And it was Strom Thurmond at the time and I was like, oh, that's really funny.
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It's the oldest senator.
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And she just looked at me and she was like, yeah, I wouldn't like Strom Thurmond if I
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were you.
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Did not accept.
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Do you know what your job should be?
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Hey, Strom Thurmond was a giant racist who filibustered for over 24 hours to end civil
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rights as we knew it.
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It's a good, it's a good thing to know.
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Instead she was like, you know what, don't worry.
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Let's just hope that the top three stay in line.
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So Alex has a what about game to play with Strom Thurmond and he's like, come on, man,
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Strom Thurmond couldn't be racist because someone else was.
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Really?
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They're going to tax Strom Thurmond on whatever issues they want, but his segregation issues,
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my friends were in 1957.
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Now back at that time, Senator Byrd was running around with a white hood on his head.
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And of course he's one of the senior Democrats in the Senate.
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So I'm just tired of the double standards.
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I don't want to get off into a big discussion about this because it is a diversion.
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If I were Alex, I wouldn't want to get into a big discussion about this too because the
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specifics end up making this argument fall apart.
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I mean, sooner or later when you're defending Strom Thurmond, you're going to be the guy
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who says something and you go, no, I didn't mean that in a racist way.
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Right.
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Thurmond's segregationist views were not just in 1957.
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They were also well after that point, like when he left the Democratic party because
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they were too against segregation for his taste.
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But Alex does make a good point about Senator Byrd.
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I will admit that.
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That dude was also a piece of shit and was definitely in the Klan.
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There's no real evidence that he was involved in the Klan passed around like 1950 though.
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And he expressed a great deal of regret about being a member later on.
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In the name of fairness though, I don't think it's right of me to say that it's cool to
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look at Byrd differently because he changed later in his life when I'm still sticking
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it to Strom Thurmond, even though he did change a little bit as time went on as well.
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I have a perfect solution to this problem though.
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And that is to say, fuck both of them.
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You got it.
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Now, the only reason I'm really getting into this at all is because there's a perfect example
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that Alex could use to make this same argument a ton better, but he doesn't, which is strange.
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Alex should, instead of bringing up Byrd, he should be bringing up George Wallace, considering
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that he was a hardcore segregationist, as he famously said, segregation now, segregation
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tomorrow, segregation forever.
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Wallace was a gigantic racist and he was running for the Democratic presidential nomination
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all the way up to 1976.
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Now there's a reason that Alex can't use Wallace as the example of racists in the Democratic
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Party, and that's because he has to believe that George Wallace isn't a racist, or else
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his entire worldview suddenly starts to look really racist.
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There's the huge problem that he was the candidate that the John Birch Society was most into,
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and that alone could make Alex not want to associate him with the very clear racism that
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he embodied.
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Then there's the other question that this association would bring up, which is that
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the book that Alex credits with changing his life is None Dare Call It Conspiracy, which
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was written by Gary Allen.
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Allen was one of, if not the most popular writers and speakers in the John Birch Society,
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and was also George Wallace's speechwriter.
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Honestly, Allen was his speechwriter on the presidential campaigns, the first of which
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launched in 1963, the same year he said his famous quote about segregation forever, so
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it's not impossible that Allen had some hand in those words.
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Then you have the issue that one of the big backers of Wallace's 1968 independent party
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run for president was Willis Cardo, the white supremacist and neo-Nazi who founded the Liberty
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Lobby and published The Spotlight, the Holocaust-denying publication that was edited by Alex's friend,
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Big Jim Tucker, who is Alex's main source on Bilderberg conspiracies.
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The threads that unravel when you pull on George Wallace unravel in ways that kind of
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make it too clear that Alex's world and his formative influences are all profound racists.
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That's why, even though George Wallace would be the perfect example to demonstrate democratic
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racism at the time of Strom Thurmond and the civil rights period, Alex would instead go
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with Byrd, who has a decidedly racist past, but no real indication of that Klan association
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continuing into the period we're talking about.
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Alex can't afford to use the perfect example, George Wallace.
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Sure, because it's his body.
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I find that really interesting.
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That is, I mean, I...
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Because I was sitting there listening, I'm like, why don't you use Wallace?
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Use Wallace.
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I mean, I used Wallace instantly the moment you say Strom Thurmond.
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I'm like, yeah, and his good buddy George Wallace.
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That's the way it works.
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And for him to just have to sit there and be like, fuck, who can I find?
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So Alex doesn't like a lot of these people in the Republican Party at this point, all
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these neo-Kans.
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They're all secretly liberals.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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They only want segregation a little bit.
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So you got George W. Bush and you got Trent Lott, and these two dudes are in Alex's crosshairs
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for the wrong reasons.
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I have a Fox News story where Bush told him, stop bringing that up for a vote.
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That's not your prerogative.
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You follow the White House's orders.
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So that's the only reason Bush turned his back on Trent Lott, his little cheerleader
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buddy.
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They were both cheerleaders, male cheerleaders.
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That's bad enough, ladies and gentlemen.
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Don't trust any male cheerleaders.
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Sempering effeminate New World Order, Skull and Bones, tWitch.
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Wow.
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So I guess if you're a male cheerleader, you're getting Skull and Bones?
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I am boggled.
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Why?
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That's totally exactly what you would expect, Alex.
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That is what you would expect, but it's like, of all things, of all things, do you know
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what's going on right now?
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Men must adhere to these strict rules and roles that I have delineated for them because
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they're divinely inspired or something.
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And it's like you don't even know anything about male cheerleading.
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At the time, there's a massive competitive cheerleading thing going on, and the male
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cheerleaders are incredibly important to the success of it all.
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Building a base.
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It's amazing.
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People to stand on.
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They're talented and masculine if you want.
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I don't know.
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Sure.
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They're screaming male cheerleaders.
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This is just another version of the, like, you can't trust a male nurse.
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Yeah, totally.
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Totally.
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These things are feminine intrinsically.
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Excuse me, stewardess.
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No, sir, sir, sir.
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I know you're a man, but if you're doing this job.
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Yeah.
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Ridiculous.
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But totally expected.
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So Alex has a guest on this show, and it's somebody that I have not heard on his show
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before.
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And it's a character by the name of John Andrews, who was at this point, he was the
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president of the Colorado State Senate.
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And he has been pushing for tighter controls on what identification people can use.
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Things like the consular matricula cards, like the Mexican Consulate, they can give
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out these identification cards to Mexican nationals living in the United States.
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And he is mad about this.
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And so we're going to talk about it a little bit.
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Now we have these matricula cards, Mexico started issuing them a few years ago.
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Now 800 plus U.S. cities aren't accepting them.
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You can go buy one for $24.
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Now Poland, Guatemala is issuing their own cards.
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Up in Minnesota, they're announcing that they're not going to comply with the Fed's ongoing
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after illegal aliens.
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This is insane.
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Totally insane.
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I'm honored to have joining us Colorado Senate President John Andrews, and he's in a big
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story in the Denver Post and the Associated Press, there's a bunch of articles, he's proposed
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a state law and it is the state's job to tell the cities to knock it off and to stop their
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racketeering, basically, and that's my word, empowering felons.
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Hey, knock it off, cities.
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Empowering felons.
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Yep.
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Well, I mean, that's just, you know, undocumented immigrants are automatically felons.
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Sure, sure, automatically felons, of course.
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So just to clear up what Alex is talking about, matricula cards are photo IDs that the Mexican
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consulate can issue to Mexican nationals living outside of Mexico.
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These are very helpful, particularly for Mexican immigrants living in the United States for
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a number of reasons.
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The first is that they allow consulates to be able to track and locate people much easier
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than they would be able to otherwise in the case of like an emergency.
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The second reason is that they are considered valid ID by many states, thus allowing immigrants
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of any documentation status to apply for a driver's license, and it allows them to pay
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taxes.
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Further, since the matricula card is a valid ID, they allow folks the ability to open bank
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accounts, which is pretty important.
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One thing they don't do is confer any sort of immigration status upon the holder of one
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of these cards.
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It's just a secure, official, difficult to forge form of identification that makes everyone's
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life easier, that these guys are super against.
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So essentially, because states and America won't just give people IDs without having
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already got photo IDs or whatever, this has to exist.
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Because Mexico, it has to exist.
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That's one thing, and then there's a bunch of other reasons too, like the being able
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to know where citizens of Mexico are, you know, like that kind of thing.
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No, no, you'd want to know that.
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Alex is interviewing this guy, John Andrews, the then president of the Colorado Senate,
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about a bill he was championing called Colorado House Bill 1224, the Secure and Verifiable
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Identity Act.
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This act wasn't designed to have the Mexican consulates stop issuing these cards, because
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that would have been a violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
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Instead, this act was aimed at making it so state and local agencies in Colorado could
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quote only accept secure and verifiable documents, which then was defined as not being these
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things.
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This was essentially just a bill designed to make immigrants' lives more difficult,
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by doing things like making it so people who have consular ID cards can't use them to
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get driver's licenses or bank accounts.
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Folks like Andrews often try to couch their motivations as being about keeping people
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safe and making sure that people can't exploit the system, but the reality is that this kind
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of bullshit hurts a lot more people than just undocumented immigrants, and it would be really
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naive to imagine that Andrews isn't aware of that.
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In 2006, a report was released by the Brennan Center for Justice titled Citizens Without
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Proof, which was aimed at analyzing the effect that these restrictions on getting identification
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have, or have the potential to have, on U.S. citizens themselves.
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They found that 7% of U.S. citizens do not have ready access to the documents that would
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be required to get a driver's license under these new laws, though they would qualify
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to get one.
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They should get, but they just don't have the documents to get them.
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However, this number actually goes up to 12% when you only include people who make under
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$25,000 a year.
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There you go.
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Additionally, 34% of women of voting age had a document that proved their citizenship,
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but it wasn't something that included their current legal name.
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Oh yeah, well.
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So these are like real difficulties that people who are citizens would have under these restrictions.
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Right.
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All on the sake of essential, you know, racism and just control over the electorate.
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Trying to punish immigrants, basically, for what they consider like trespassing.
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Yeah, I mean, if you, like, if you can't ban people, then you can just make their lives
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miserable enough that they won't want to be there.
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That's the other plan, I guess.
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So, also, I want to let you know what kind of a shithead this guy John Anders is.
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So I'm going to read to you an excerpt from a speech he gave at the 2019 Western Conservative
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Summit.
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The theme of this gathering was Defending Religious Freedom and America's First Amendment.
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Segregation now, segregation then, segregation forever!
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So he begins by extolling how great and important religious freedom is.
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Quote, unless every American is free to honor God as conscience may guide, and to obey God
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in the public square as long as no one else is harmed, unless we are free in that precious
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way, we are not free at all.
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So far, so good.
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As long as he's talking about all religious beliefs and also the absence of religious
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beliefs, I can go along with him.
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Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
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Well, he loses me pretty fast.
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Okay.
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I'm going to read this whole quote, even though it's a bit long, because I want to preserve
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the context.
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Okay.
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Quote, now let's talk about what freedom of religion does not mean.
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All right.
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Speak with tough love, from the heart, with no animosity or ill will toward any person.
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Please hear me carefully.
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Suppose somebody originated a belief system that claimed exclusive right to revelation,
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the command from above, and harnessed that aggressive claim to a burning sense of victimization,
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the wound from within.
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What a loose cannon that would be.
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Suppose its claim of revelation included a totalitarian political and economic system
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not subject to reformation set forth in a holy book not subject to revision.
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Suppose its legal scholars and clergy insisted the day is coming when that book must govern
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all mankind on penalty of death to whoever would refuse to submit.
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Suppose finally that this belief system had been around for over a thousand years, deepening
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its victim complex, its rage, reinforcing its unbending absolutism and its dreams of
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global conquest, until today it commands the allegiance of a quarter of the earth's population
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on every part of the earth's surface.
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I'm talking about the belief system called Islam.
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See now what's so odd about that...
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Well, I know what you're getting at.
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I was worried that he was a radical Islamist saying the exact same thing about Christianity.
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That's so weird.
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So this asshole is making this statement that Islam isn't protected by the freedom of religion
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in 2019.
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He goes on to clarify his statement by saying, quote, it's true we all know Muslims who are
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likable neighbors or capable co-workers, decent patriotic Americans who humbly love Allah.
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That's not what I'm talking about.
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What?
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But that's absolutely what he's talking about.
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That's absolutely what he's talking about!
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When he claims that a belief system called Islam is this horribly murderous totalitarian
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victimhood-obsessed cult that includes a quarter of the world's population, he's including
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in that slur the nice Muslim neighbors he's pretending to not be talking about.
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This is abject demonization of all Muslims, pretending to be in opposition to terrorism.
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Just a few paragraphs after he says that he's not talking about the nice Muslim neighbors,
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he literally says, quote, the simplistic approach of just granting unconstitutional quote-unquote
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freedom of religion to a religion that doesn't believe in freedom and have no doubt Islam
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does not.
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That approach is civilizational suicide.
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Fuck this dude.
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Wow.
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In that speech, he goes on to say, quote, I'm sure some of you will disagree with me.
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So will some other speakers this weekend.
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They will tell you that a good and faithful Muslim can also be a good and faithful American.
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Sorry, I don't see how.
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Um.
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Wow.
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That's on you!
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Yeah.
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That's your problem.
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That's an easy, that's an easy fix.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Yep.
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He goes on to say that Americans need to name their two enemies, who are Marx and Mohammed.
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Oh.
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Oh, man.
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It sure seems like it's just that guy.
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Yep.
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John Andrews sucks.
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His actions in 2003 as a part of the Colorado Senate are motivated by the same things that
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motivate his intense hatred of Islam.
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He's a xenophobic asshole who views America as a white Christian country, and he's dedicated
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to pursuing politics that support that view.
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The only thing I'm left in confusion about, like when I look into this guy, is like, why
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is he not still a regular Gaston Info Wars?
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Yeah, that's surprising.
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Seems like he should be working there by now.
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I mean, is he still elected to anything?
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No.
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Yeah, well.
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No, no, no.
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No, no.
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Yeah.
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So I find this guy to be sort of a boring racist.
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He's a real piece of shit.
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He's a real piece of shit.
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I don't like that you can just still say things 16 years after that.
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You know?
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Like, 16 years is a long time for the world to not change.
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That's brutal.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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So Andrews has this, hey man, this isn't about bashing Mexicans, I assure you.
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And then he goes on to cite somebody that it's almost amazing that he would cite.
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It's not about bashing Mexicans, it's about the rule of law and whether we take U.S. national
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sovereignty seriously.
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At the congressional hearing last week from Iowa, of all places, Iowa, a long, long way
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from the Mexican border, Congressman Steve King of Iowa told of going to see a school
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principal in suburban Des Moines, a Hispanic guy, an educator, who had signed an ad protesting
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King's immigration concerns and King says to the gentleman, what's your problem?
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And this Hispanic American, presumably a U.S. citizen, an educator, someone in charge of
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molding the minds of kids, says look brother, we didn't cross the border, the border crossed
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us, we're in the process of getting this corner of the country back and we want to thank you
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because we're getting it back, nationally improved from the condition in which we lost
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it in the 1840s.
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Pretty amazing story.
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Are you telling me that noted, massive racist Steve King from Iowa spoke to a very real
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person who told him that Mexico is taking Iowa back?
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Do I understand that correctly?
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Yeah, I heard that and was like, wow, that's not a true story.
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I 100% believe that totally true story.
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I love that this really fake story that Steve King told is now being repeated by this Colorado
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state senator to Alex to defend his racist political ideas.
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This incredible racist made up a very racist story that I am going to share with you to
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defend myself and say that I am not a racist.
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So there was no alleged Hispanic teacher who told Steve King that they were recolonizing
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the country and that they appreciated that America had made some improvements to the
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place in the meantime.
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I love it.
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It's just a story that's tailor made to push the buttons of white identity victimhood fetishizers
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like Andrews and Alex.
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There's so much subtle and unspoken racism that's built into that story that it would
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take quite a while to unpack it all, but I think that there's a couple of points that
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jump out as the most interesting.
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The first is that this story is meant to evoke the feeling of someone taking advantage of
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the hard work that you've done.
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These supposed Mexican folks who are going to take the country over are going to exploit
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the fruits of our hard labor.
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This is a particular fear for white nationalists because on some level they're aware that this
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is exactly what the United States and other Western countries did through colonialism
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and that without the exploitation of other populations and their resources, they wouldn't
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have the affluence that they enjoy today.
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There's an unspoken admission of we have it coming.
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Being all freaked out about some terrifying foreign group coming to enjoy that affluence
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on our expense, that's on some level an expression of guilt that these folks will never really
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process or be in touch with, which they should probably get some therapy.
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The second thing that I think is really fucked up about this fake story that Andrews is relating
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has to do with the characterization of this fictional Hispanic guy.
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He's telling Steve King that he's part of this effort to recolonize Des Moines and the
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rest of the United States, and you'll notice that Andrews specifically points out that
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this man is presumably a legal resident of the United States.
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This isn't explicitly laid out in the story, but this is a detail that exists in the telling
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to make the audience afraid of all immigrants, even if they're here legally and fully documented.
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It's the same mentality that exists in his 2019 comments about you can't be a faithful
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Muslim and a faithful American.
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It's targeting and demonizing the entire group while pretending that's not what you're doing.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And the idea that subtle, like just saying presumably he's a US citizen is a simple way
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of saying you can't tell if they're US citizens by looking at him.
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And even if they are, maybe they're not.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, it's fucked up.
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Even if they look like they're a US citizen, hey, even if they're your teacher, they might
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be undocumented.
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Everybody could be an illegal alien, so just based on your sight, go ahead and assume.
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Yeah.
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This is how someone like Steve King or John Andrews can pretend that their politics and
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beliefs are about national security or the rule of law, but the actual message they're
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putting forth is one of white nationalism and xenophobia.
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Just because a Hispanic guy that Steve King made up is here legally, that doesn't mean
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that he's not also part of an effort to recolonize the United States.
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Blah.
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Also, it's really hilarious that the example Andrews went with immediately of somebody
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who is like an expert on these things is Steve King, someone who's now synonymous with white
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nationalism and racism in the same way that Strom Thurmond was in another generation.
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Really, really took it to another level for him, yeah.
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I think that this says it all, NPR, when Steve King lost his reelection bid in 2020, I even
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think that this headline's a little generous.
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Quote, Iowa rep Steve King, known for racist comments, loses reelection bid.
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I think that's generous.
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That might be generous.
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Yeah.
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I would have even gone so far as to challenge him like that Marie Le Pen kind of way of
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like, hey, Steve King, massive racist, loses reelection bid, sue us, sue us, let's see
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what happens.
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It's a hassle.
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I want to legally call you a racist.
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So there's this initiative that John Andrews is putting forth, and that is this idea that
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you don't want places to accept these matricula cards as acceptable forms of identification.
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Sure, sure.
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Because then you can make it so they can't use them to get a state ID or a driver's license.
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No, you don't want that.
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Those things do not confer immigration status.
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Even if you get a driver's license, it doesn't mean, aha, you're now secretly a magically
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a citizen.
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Sure, sure.
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No, I understand.
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But he wants every official place to not recognize this.
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And Alex has a really fucked up way that he talks about how all the states need to get
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on board.
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I do hope people will visit coloradasenate.com and learn more about the bill and encourage
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legislators in their states to follow suit, just like we're encouraging the U.S. Congress
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to follow suit.
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And if there's more terror, and it's an illegal, and you know it's going to be an illegal,
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it's going to be their fault.
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That's fucked up.
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Wow.
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And it's really interesting as a thing for Alex to be saying, because it absolutely contradicts
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literally everything he believes about the balance between liberty and security.
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He constantly rails on things like the Patriot Act, and one of his biggest and fairly defensible
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problems with it is that it was sold to the American people using fear.
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The idea was that if the folks on national security couldn't expand their abilities to
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operate, thereby encroaching on people's liberty, then that would make the next terrorist attack
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more likely, because national security could have stopped it if they'd just been able to
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use these expanded abilities.
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Sure.
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And that's essentially the same argument Alex is using here.
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Yes, exactly.
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If I took Alex seriously and thought his beliefs meant anything to him, I would say that this
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was a really strange and hypocritical way for him to support this bill against accepting
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consular IDs.
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Because I know as much about him as I do, I know that this really isn't a contradiction
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for him, because in his mind the Patriot Act hurts white people so it's bad, whereas the
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Colorado bill is designed to target Hispanic people, so Alex is fine with it.
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Yeah.
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This is not a small point, and I would be remiss if I didn't point out that these state-level
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pushes to use the fear of terrorism to restrict various forms of ID from being acceptable,
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that was the beginning of a trend that would come to a head when Congress enacted Public
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Law 109-13 in May 2005.
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This was part of the, quote, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global
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War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief.
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Page 82 of the bill, in Division B, Title II, Section 202, new standards were laid out
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for what documents were necessary for states to determine a person's identity for any official
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purpose, including issuing IDs or driver's license, and naturally, the standard became
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much higher, and states were required to adhere to a federal minimum requirement in terms
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of what they considered a proof of identity.
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Great.
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Predictably, Alex and his weirdo friends were all up in arms and furious about the Real
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ID Act because it affects the only group that matters to them, people who look like them.
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They tend to forget that the precursor to these evil ID laws was their own agitating
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against accepting things like consular IDs as acceptable forms of identification, and
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that the same arguments and stoking fears of imaginary Mexicans trying to recolonize
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or terrorists hiding in immigrant communities that they used to pursue their goals were
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used to push the Real ID Act.
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Yeah.
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And you even hear John Andrews saying, like, we're pushing Congress to take action on this
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on a federal level.
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The thing that is most annoying about Republicans constantly hoisting themselves upon their
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own petard is that they have to hoist the rest of us on it with them.
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True.
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And you can see that this is one of the really great examples that's really clear about how
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Alex gets it coming and going.
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Yep.
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Like, he can create a problem and then also profit off complaining about that problem
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being created.
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Yep.
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And again, when I say created, I don't mean single-handedly.
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Individually, yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, of course.
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And in the interest of fairness, I guess you could make the argument that Alex would be
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fine with these Real IDs as long as they were run by the state as opposed to the federal
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government.
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And that may seem like a good point at first, but it's not.
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The first reason is that if the argument is that you need more restrictive rules about
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identification because if you don't, there'll be terrorist attacks or Mexicans are going
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to recolonize the country, that's not a state-level issue.
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If just one state has super lax standards for identification, then there wouldn't be
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anything stopping these imaginary terrorists from going to that state using a consular
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ID to get a driver's license, which would then be recognized by all the states that
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have implemented these restrictive ID guidelines.
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Man, that seems so obvious.
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And it's like, let's say that you handled gun laws at a state level, and so some states
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had really strict gun laws and other states had really lax gun laws.
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Like say you were Illinois, right?
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You were living in Chicago and then just mere miles away, the gun laws were very, very lax.
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You know?
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That wouldn't cause trouble.
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Oh, okay.
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Good.
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Yep.
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That'd be totally fine.
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Oh, okay.
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That's nice.
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Yeah.
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I think that there are many things that are appropriate to be run state by state.
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And then there are other things that are larger issues that affect everybody.
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And those things kind of need to have universally applied policies or else they're useless.
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And stopping terror is one of them, if that's the argument you're going to use.
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Or the recolonization of America.
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Yeah, you gotta stop that.
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You don't want Mexico taking Iowa anytime soon.
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Then they're going to vote first in our primaries and that's going to be terrible.
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Yeah, so this federal-state distinction that Alex would be using just doesn't make sense
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in this context.
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And then the second reason that this isn't really a case where that state-federal issue
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thing is that it doesn't apply because the federal government wouldn't be taking away
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the process of issuing the IDs.
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That's still the states.
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There would just be a new, more restrictive minimum standard that states needed to follow
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that was on a federal level.
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So Alex has, John Andrews on as a guest.
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He sucks.
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And Alex is going to have another guest on who, guess what?
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He also sucks.
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Interesting.
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Alright, folks.
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It's Friday.
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We've got two hours left.
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We've got Glenn Spencer, one of my favorite guests, to come on to talk about the destruction
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of America and our sovereignty, how illegal aliens get more welfare, more tuition, more
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rights, are allowed to have fake ID cards that anyone can get basically dozens of.
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So just to be clear, Alex hasn't demonstrated in any way that it's easy to get multiple
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consular IDs, nor has he proven that undocumented immigrants get more government assistance,
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nor that they have more rights than citizens.
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All evidence which points to the exact opposite being true in every facet.
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This is just legitimately only his extreme white victimhood complex speaking.
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I don't love that Glenn Spencer is Alex's other guest on this episode.
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This whole thing might as well just be one long attack on immigrants, particularly those
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from Mexico.
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That's what this episode is.
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We've talked about Spencer in the past, but it's been a while, so let me refresh your
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memory a little bit.
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He's that total asshole who founded a group called the American Border Patrol who essentially
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pretended to be law enforcement guarding the border.
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This was really the vanguard of this type of activity since Glenn was doing that shit
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back in the early 2000s.
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Flash forward to 2019 and you have militia members deputizing themselves to guard the
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border and actually detaining immigrants.
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Larry Hopkins was arrested for being a felon in possession of a gun, which he should have
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been arrested for long prior since it stemmed from a 2017 raid.
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This was in 2019.
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Law enforcement just let him go for those period of time and he ended up becoming the
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leader of a group called the United Constitutional Patriots who engaged in a whole lot of kidnapping,
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unlawful detaining, and terrorizing of migrants.
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Nah, he was a good boy.
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You gotta let him out.
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What, are you gonna hold him on bail?
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He's a good boy.
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Sure.
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Get him out there on the streets.
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He was inspired in no small part by Trump and Tucker and Alex's constant fear mongering
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about the immigrant caravan set to blow up the southern border.
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Also, his group's former spokesman, James Benvy, left the UCP to start his own border
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militia called the Guardian Patriots, but then he was arrested and sent to prison for
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21 months on two counts of impersonating a border patrol agent.
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Anyway, the point is- How did they catch him?
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In the present day, we have a lot of right-wing xenophobic shitheads who think they're entitled
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to cosplay as law enforcement because they're white.
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Glenn Spencer was one of the leaders in that world, and probably a hero to all the dum-dums
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out there today.
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Glenn is also one of the main proponents of the Aztlan conspiracy theory, which Alex subscribes
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to.
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This is essentially the belief that Mexican immigration is an explicit plan to take back
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over the southwest states.
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The SPLC quotes Spencer from a 2000 rally, quote, the dream of conquering Aztlan lies
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deep in the heart of the Mexican psyche.
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This explains why some are willing to risk death.
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Their goal is more than jobs, it is conquest.
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They believe what they're doing is noble.
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They're defying the gringo to take back what is rightfully Mexico's.
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To which every Mexican in the world replied, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Yeah.
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If you believe what Spencer promotes, it's really hard to see how you could be so against
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illegal immigration for this reason, but somehow totally cool with legal immigration.
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It seems like just sloppily disguised white nationalism.
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Ah, if they, if they migrate illegally, then they'll take back their country, but if they
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migrate legally, then they won't take back their country.
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So in fact, what we should do is make it easier for them to migrate legally, if your argument
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is that if they migrate legally, they won't take over the country.
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Well that's an interesting argument, and I'd like to see what he would have to say to that.
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I think he would say that we should just keep them all out.
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Right.
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So it should be said that Glenn Spencer was also a fervent anti-Semite.
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In 2008, he posted an article on his blog titled, quote, speaking the unspeakable.
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Is Jew, is Jew controlled Hollywood brainwashing Americans?
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Speaking the unspeakable, yet has been spoken repeatedly for thousands of years.
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The unspeakable that has been repeated nonstop.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So in that article, he argues that liberal Jews who control Hollywood are trying to insert
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pro-immigrant propaganda into everything they release, so as to, I guess, make America less
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white.
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I think that's what he's saying.
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And that's the unspeakable?
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Yes.
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And it wasn't spoken at any time before this, obviously.
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Never.
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Right.
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So at the end of the article, he includes a link to an essay titled, Understanding Jewish
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Influence, written by Kevin Macdonald.
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Macdonald is essentially a neo-Nazi, and if not that, he's at least the academic who most
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neo-Nazis point to in order to defend their neo-Nazis.
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You're an honorary neo-Nazi, then.
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Oh yeah.
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From an SPLC article about Macdonald and the three books he wrote about Jewish people,
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quote, Macdonald's basic premise is that Jews engage in group evolutionary strategy that
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serves to enhance their ability to out-compete non-Jews for resources.
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Although normally a tiny minority in their host countries, Jews, like viruses, destabilize
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their host societies to their own benefit, Macdonald argues.
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Because this Jewish group behavior is said to have produced much financial and intellectual
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success over the years, Macdonald claims it has also produced understandable hatred for
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Jews by Gentiles.
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That means that anti-Semitism, rather than being an irrational hatred for Jews, is actually
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a logical reaction to Jewish success.
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In other words, the Nazis, like many other anti-Semites, were only anti-Semitic because
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they were countering a genuine Jewish threat to their well-being.
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It's not their fault!
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Holy shit.
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It's not their fault!
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So the fact that Spencer linked to Macdonald's essay in this post is what you might call
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a tell.
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Spencer is against immigration, but he also believes that the Jews are the ones trying
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to bring in immigrants somehow as an attack on the country and produce pro-immigrant propaganda
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in Hollywood and all this.
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Sounds right.
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I mean, Spencer says as much as this stuff in his own article.
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Quote, I have many Jewish friends and they have been extremely instrumental in fighting
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illegal immigration.
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I fear, however, that this small handful of patriotic Americans are far outnumbered by
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liberal Jews who now have total control over our media.
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Wild.
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Anyway, this anti-Semitic racist xenophobic shithead, who is the precursor to the modern
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militia dum-dums pretending to be cops and patrolling the border, is one of Alex's favorite
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guests.
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Hey!
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It's always nice to go back and see what the past was like, you know?
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What a non-surprise.
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You know, it's always, when you come full circle, you know, there's a narrative satisfaction,
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even if there's not an emotional satisfaction.
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Mm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't talk too much about Iraq, the war.
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Sure.
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He's still against it.
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Well, I mean, yeah.
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He believes that there aren't weapons of mass destruction, which is good on him.
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Yeah, fair.
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But he does have some interesting takes that I enjoyed and I looked into a little bit,
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which is kind of fun.
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All right.
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They reported on the BBC about two months ago that Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi foreign minister,
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was to be paid upwards of four and a half million dollars a year.
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It was almost three million pounds a year, over four million U.S., and that he was going
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to live on a hundred plus thousand acre palace of Prince Charles and was to be given armed
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bodyguards, helicopter escort, into the shopping centers, into London.
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I mean lavish lifestyle, quote, if he would inform on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
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Now, I don't know where that story went.
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Where is Tariq Aziz?
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We hear no discussions of him now.
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They admit they paid off Iraqi Republican Guard leaders before the war in gold bars.
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Gold bars.
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Gold bars.
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So, real quick, the question about Tariq Aziz, I can answer that very easily.
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Sure.
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He was actually also not the foreign minister at this point.
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That was a position he held from 1983 to 1991.
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At the time of the invasion, he was actually the deputy prime minister of Iraq.
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Ah, yeah.
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He's a pretty important dude.
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The episode that we're listening to is from June 27th, 2003, and Alex is asking, where
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is Tariq Aziz?
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As if to imply that he's somewhere enjoying his life or whatever.
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Sure, sure, he's on a tropical beach somewhere.
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No, no, no.
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He was captured on April 24th, 2003, and held in Camp Cropper in Baghdad.
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Sure.
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He would remain in custody until June 2015, when he died of a heart attack.
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Ah.
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So Alex is super wrong about this one.
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It's good that they let him free after the heart attack.
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Yes, yeah.
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I've heard Alex say that the Iraqi Republican Guard was paid off with gold bars a bunch
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of times, and I just kind of ignored it because I was like, this is stupid.
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But this time I wanted to dig in and see if I could figure out where this idea came from.
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And I think I did.
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Okay.
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Apparently, in 2003, some U.S. soldiers in Iraq detained three people that they stopped
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in a car that they felt might have been heading towards the Iranian border.
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Their probable cause to search them was that, quote, the driver's paperwork and ID didn't
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match the vehicle registration.
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In the bed of the truck, the soldiers found 999 bars of, quote, crudely made non-minted
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gold bars that they estimated were worth between 80 and 100 million dollars.
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Nice.
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Good work, guys.
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Obviously, this is weird.
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But to make things even stranger, quote, two days earlier, soldiers stopped another Mercedes
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dump truck on its way towards the Syrian border, hauling a load of 2,000 gold bars that looked
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very similar to the ones seized on Monday.
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Then, in June, another truck with 1,183 ingots that were suspected to be gold were intercepted
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by soldiers at a routine checkpoint.
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Ooh-hoo-hoo!
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This is very exciting stuff.
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So these would definitely not be gold bars that were used to pay someone off.
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Sure.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Because there was an article in the Chicago Tribune about this that said, quote, these
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bars aren't pure, like the bouillon found at Fort Knox, but crudely melted bricks of
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jewelry.
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So, yeah, so it's most likely that they're all a bunch of rich people trying to smelt
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down their bullshit as they flee the country.
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Well, the leading theory as of June was that the gold was the gold that Saddam Hussein
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had encouraged Iraqi citizens to donate for his war effort against Iran.
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Quote, rich businessmen, many Iraqis recall, were expected to cough up three to five pounds
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of gold or face a visit from Hussein's goon squads.
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The speculation was that this was a sophisticated and organized group plundering the wealth
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that Saddam had hoarded.
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That's kind of exciting, you know?
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Yeah, that's fun.
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Yeah.
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In the past, however, there had been some analyses on the gold bars, and it turned out
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that they weren't actually gold.
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It just looked like it.
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Sure.
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From a New York Times article, quote, gold-colored bars seized by American troops in Iraq appear
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to be melted-down shell casings made mostly of copper rather than gold.
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All right.
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Okay.
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It was mostly copper and zinc.
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It was mostly copper and zinc.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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If Alex had another source on this story, I'm happy to check it out, but it seems like
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there's almost certain that this real-life story is the one that he's distorted into
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being about globalists paying off Ba'ath Party officials and Republican Guard with
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bars of gold.
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Yeah, I mean, and it's not like the United States didn't pay a shit ton of money and
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then lose it and never find out where it went.
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Or if they did, they didn't tell anybody that would stop them.
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Fair enough.
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You know, that's true, but not the gold bars part.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Not the claim we're assessing.
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No, no, no, no, totally.
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It's believable that they lose a shit ton of money for corrupt purposes, but it's not
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this.
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Yeah.
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Alex has calls at this point, because Glenn Spencer is going to be in in a little bit.
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He takes a call, and this guy is a complete weirdo, and Alex jumps in to some very inaccurate
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JFK conspiracies.
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Sure.
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I believe this might sound a little crazy to you, but I believe that President Kennedy
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was kind of directed by God when he protected the world pretty much from destruction during
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the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I'd just like to say that I feel in a way that you're kind
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of the same way by trying to bring out what's happening to the people, that you're being
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directed by God in the same way to try and save the world, essentially.
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Well I don't think that's strange.
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And I'd just like to say that to you before I end up hearing what I was going to talk
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about.
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I'd like to comment on that, and then I'll let you go on.
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I don't, look, but I'm not special.
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President Kennedy wasn't special.
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We're all led by God in our lives to stand up against evil.
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Yes, because God lived through people, yes.
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This is a test.
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This is just a, this is the junior varsity, the minor leagues here before we go on to
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you know join the big team, and let me add something.
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Kennedy for all his corruption and his womanizing and all the rest of it, changed his ways at
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the end, woke up, gave speeches at American University and other areas.
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I have copies of them.
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I have texts from the National Archives, Library of Congress, I love video of this, maybe I
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can find it, I know it exists, where he warned of a great corrupt influence that had taken
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over our government.
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Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, and Kennedy was a hawk.
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He was pro-war, pro-CIA, pro all this stuff, and then suddenly he cut taxes, said I'm abolishing
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the Federal Reserve, I'm getting us out of Vietnam, I'm going to scatter the CIA to the
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four winds, he wouldn't go along with nuclear war, he said no to the Northwoods plan, the
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US government plan, to kill American citizens and blame it on foreign enemies.
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When he saw Northwoods in 62, that's when his whole outlook changed, and they assassinated
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him six months later.
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This is a fun story that Alex is telling about JFK, but it's disconnected from history.
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So one of the things that Alex is doing here is that he's intentionally fudging the timeline
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of events in order to create the appearance that things are more connected than they are.
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Operation Northwoods was crafted and presented to JFK's Secretary of State Robert McNamara
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on March 13th, 1962, who then briefed President Kennedy.
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Alex is claiming that six months later Kennedy was assassinated, but that didn't happen until
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November 1963.
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You know, it wouldn't sound as compelling if it's like he saw Northwoods, and then a
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year and a half later he was assassinated.
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Yeah, that's a little bit disconnected.
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You compress that timeline and you make-
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That's very much more suspicious.
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It sounds more like causality.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Alex wants these things to feel closer in time in the audience's mind because that makes
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it feel like they're connected, or even like one led to the other.
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It's a rhetorical trick and it's a lie.
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As for the other stuff, most of that's not true either.
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Whatever you might say about JFK, one thing you cannot deny is that he was promoting globalism
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right up to the end.
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On June 10th, 1963, a few months before he was assassinated, Kennedy gave a speech at
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commencement for American University, which is what Alex was referring to, and it's very
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easy to find that video if Alex would just look for it.
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The speech was about the hope for reaching world peace.
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Here's a little passage.
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Quote, some say that it is useless to speak of peace or world law or world disarmament,
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and that it would be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened
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attitude.
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I hope they do.
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I believe we can help them do it.
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JFK supported world law, which necessitates a collective body that can enforce that law,
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like the UN.
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Wait, is that why they killed him?
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Ooh.
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Speaking of the UN, later in that speech, he says, quote, we seek to strengthen the
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United Nations to help solve its financial problems, to make it a more effective instrument
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for peace, to develop it into a genuine world security system, a system capable of resolving
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disputes on the basis of law.
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Seems like exactly the sort of thing that Alex's version of him wouldn't say.
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Okay, okay, let's throw this one out there.
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All right, the Patriots murdered JFK to keep the globalists from taking over, and now Alex
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is running interference to make it look like it was the globalists all along, when in reality
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it was the Patriots.
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Sure.
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I'll go for that.
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I mean, it was actually Timothy McVeigh, too.
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On September 20th, 1963, even more close to the date of his assassination, JFK gave an
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address before the General Assembly of the UN.
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I don't think Alex would love the sentiment that was expressed in this speech.
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Quote, the fact remains that the United States, as a major nuclear power, does have a special
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responsibility in the world.
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It is in fact a threefold responsibility, a responsibility to our own citizens, a responsibility
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to the people of the world who are affected by our decisions, and to the next generation
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of humanity.
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Alex doesn't think that we have responsibilities to the rest of the world, whether or not they've
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been affected by our decisions.
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Like one of his heroes was Ron Paul, and his big thing, like one of them, was eliminating
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literally all foreign aid.
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The fucking slogan is America first.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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In that speech from two months before he was assassinated, Kennedy talks with the UN about
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how essential international cooperation is to facing the problems of the day, and he
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brags about forming the Peace Corps that Alex hates.
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Hey, now.
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He ends his talk with a list of things he'd like to see in the world that Alex could make
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conspiracies up about all day.
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Quote, a world center for health communications under the World Health Organization could
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warn of epidemics and the adverse effects of certain drugs, as well as transmit the
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results of new experiments and new discoveries.
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And eventually, my good buddy Bill Clinton will become Secretary General of the UN.
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But like, think about it, Alex would be like, oh my god, they're trying to cause a plague.
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Totally, absolutely.
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Or how about this one?
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Quote, a global system of satellites could provide communications and weather information
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for all corners of the Earth.
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And I'm sure that Alex would say that that's a spy system that Satan would use to track
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you.
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Totally a spy system that Satan would use to track, now obviously we have essentially
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that right now, and it works great.
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Or we have quote, a worldwide program of conservation could protect the forest and wild game preserves
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now in danger of extinction for all time.
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Alex believes that conservationism is a globalist plot to destroy the beautiful coal and natural
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gas industries.
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Alex.
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So our country will be destabilized by a power shortage.
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Alex loves Bolsababaro, who's destroying the Amazon rainforest.
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He's being, they're trying to prosecute him for fucking crimes against humanity for destroying
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the rainforest.
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Yeah, Alex would be really disappointed to see JFK on this side of the fence.
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Yeah.
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And he would really hate this one.
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Quote, we are opposed to apartheid and all forms of human oppression.
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Like, Alex doesn't like the, you know, apartheid's totally a racist system, but opposition to
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it is a communist plot, or at least that's what him and all his predecessors in the John
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Birch Society think.
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Sure, sure.
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We don't like the racism of apartheid.
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We just hate that it's the communists trying to end apartheid.
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If the capitalists were trying to end apartheid, now obviously they're benefiting from it and
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greatly enjoying it, so they're going to keep doing it, but it's the communists that we
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don't like.
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Come on, man.
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Right.
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Anyway, the JFK that Alex believes existed is a fabrication based on dumb conspiracy
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books that he read as a youth and not based in reality.
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The speech that he gave that included the line about secret societies, which is what
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Alex is trying to conflate with this American university speech.
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That speech that included the line about secret societies was from April 1961, so it's quite
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a while before the relevant time period that Alex is talking about, but it's one of the
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big pieces of evidence that always gets thrown around.
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Like every single conspiracy documentary includes that line about him mentioning secret societies.
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Well, I mean, you mentioned secret societies once.
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You know, it's never going to not be there.
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Yeah, so Alex is trying to present that JFK heard about Northwoods, tried to warn people,
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and then he got killed.
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And he's just mixing up the American university speech because it fits better in his timeline
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than it's all bullshit.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Also, it's really important to point out that that speech from 1961, from the one that secret
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society speech, that's hugely misrepresented by conspiracy theorists.
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No.
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What?
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Why?
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Here's the passage that they always use.
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Quote, the very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as
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a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and
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to secret proceedings.
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We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts
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far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.
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And that's why I fucked Joe DiMaggio's wife.
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So that, naturally, is used to imply that this speech was a screed and a warning about
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secret forces at work behind the scenes, like Alex has been presenting this, they're doing
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repugnant things, but that's not true.
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This passage was JFK softening things up before he asked for increased secrecy from the press
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regarding official matters.
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Here's what comes just after that whole secrecy thing you see in just about every conspiracy
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documentary.
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Quote, no official of my administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military,
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should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent,
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or cover up our mistakes, or to withhold from the press and the public the facts that they
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deserve to know.
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Admittedly, that is what we're trying to do.
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But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine
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his own standards and to recognize the nature of our country's peril.
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In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based
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largely on self-discipline to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy.
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In time of clear and present danger, the courts have held that even the privileged rights
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of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.
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Today, no war has been declared, and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be
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declared in the traditional fashion.
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Our way of life is under attack.
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Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe.
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The survival of our friends is in danger, and yet no war has been declared, no borders
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have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
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If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline
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of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to
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our security.
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If you're awaiting a finding of a clear and present danger, then I can only say that the
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danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
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He's saying in this speech that, hey, look, we all hate secrecy, but you guys are gonna
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have to stop reporting some stuff because we're in danger because of the Soviet Union.
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Listen, listen, listen, listen, you don't want to erode public trust in our institutions,
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right?
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That would really fuck us up.
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See, one of the things that I think is remarkable is that context is almost always missing from
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the conversations about like, oh, yeah, JFK gave these speeches about secret societies.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Like, no, no, no, no, no, just because he used the word secret society doesn't mean
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that the point of this wasn't exactly the opposite of what these people tried to present
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it as.
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Right, but the point will always just be that if you say secret societies, regardless of
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the context of it, we can say that you were signaling, right?
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Regardless of whether or not the totality- Trying to warn the good people.
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Exactly.
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So in those words, you were giving a code that people need to unravel.
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Sure.
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And then you're fucked.
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JFK was not planning to abolish the Federal Reserve and his proposed lowering of taxes
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wasn't completed by the time of his death, but it was seen through and eventually signed
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by LBJ in 1964.
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Also the quote about scattering the CIA to the winds is almost certainly not a real quote.
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It didn't appear in print until 1966 and it was attributed to an anonymous source and
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that was three years after his death.
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There's no corroborating evidence that it was a position he had or that he ever said
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that.
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He was definitely upset with the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, that's true, but the quote
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about scattering them to the wind is one that is very dubious sourcing.
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Unlikely.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, I don't know, Alex should know more about JFK and he doesn't seem to know anything.
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It's really hard to know stuff about history.
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I think whenever people confidently assert that they know something about a time period
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from the past, they are almost always wrong because just in order to know something happened,
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you need like a PhD-level thesis on it.
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And I think that Alex is invested in lore and fun stories.
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Totally.
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And so why would you threaten your ability to live in a fun world full of myths and lore?
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True.
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True.
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When the reality of things is complicated and there's details.
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I mean, people really want to believe that there's a Loch Ness Monster, you know?
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Well there is.
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Moving on.
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Fair point.
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Alex, so this is something that I really love when it happens, when you can really tell.
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So earlier in the episode, John Andrews told a secondhand story that he heard from Steve
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King about a teacher in Des Moines trying to colonize America on behalf of Spanish people.
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I can't be racist!
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Let me tell you this story I heard from Steve King!
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Right.
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I heard that.
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Now here's Alex re-bringing it up and embellishing it later.
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In the last hour in Colorado, Senate President John Andrews, he talked about how another
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congressman from Iowa has been at town hall meetings and has talked to witnesses and has
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talked to community leaders who say, this is Mexico and we're getting rid of America
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and that's just the way it is.
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So Mexico has been so arrogant.
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So arrogant.
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So now Mexico, the entire country.
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They're in on it.
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The government of Mexico.
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Yep.
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Fuck it, okay.
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Alright.
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Santa Anna's coming back is what we're saying here.
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Yeah.
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Gotcha.
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Well Alex will later, when he's talking to Glenn Spencer, so he was living in California
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and agitating against immigration and then he decided that California was a lost cause
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so he moved to Arizona and Alex does say he moved to his Alamo so Santa Anna might be
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in play.
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Santa Anna, the ghost of Santa Anna is definitely involved here.
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But you can see how Alex lies.
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Like the story that John Andrews was telling was a lie itself.
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So the stakes of maintaining the honesty of it are kind of low, but Alex has now added
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multiple people who are saying that Mexico is...
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It's a team, it's the Mexican government is involved, the consulate is putting out the
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ID's just to generate the whole idea.
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Steve King had multiple people, community leaders in fact, who have come up and told
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him hey, we're taking it back.
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We're taking Iowa.
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Ugh.
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I like a good, I like a good, you can trace it back and even then the story's still a
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lie.
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You know?
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It's riddled with so many lies that when you trace it back to its source you're just disappointed.
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There isn't even anything fun or interesting there, you're just like oh, he's lying off
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of even another racist.
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Yeah, Steve King made up a racist lie, John Andrews heard it, he told it to Alex and now
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Alex is embellishing on it.
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It's ridiculous.
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And look, even if you're on the right, shouldn't somebody telling you a story that is so perfectly
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tailored to your hatreds, shouldn't that give you a little signal of like maybe this isn't
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a good story?
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If I know anything from looking at a lot of this conspiracy stuff that exists online and
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seeing how information is processed, I don't think that a lot of people in these worlds
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understand the notion of too good to be true.
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I think that is a foreign idea.
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The more perfectly tailored it is, the more perfectly believable it is.
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It fits perfectly into what I would expect or what I would know.
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Then I don't even need to think about it.
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Right, and especially when it's presented in meme form, so it's like super easily digestible,
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it's too good to be true, it's gotta be true.
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You know, if it conforms so perfectly to your worst nightmare, maybe it's just a dream.
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So Alex has this glowing introduction for Glenn Spencer.
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I appreciate Glenn Spencer holding and coming up we'll get to Ron and Spencer and others
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that are holding, but right now Glenn Spencer of AmericanPatrol.com, the organization American
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Border Patrol, and they stand up against the racist Hispanic Ku Klux Klan of Metcha and
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La Raza.
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They have Hispanic members, black members, you name it, a lot of my friends are members
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right here in Austin, Texas.
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What?
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They stand up with 80 plus percent of the American people for controlling our borders
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and our sovereignty.
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Glenn Spencer told us it was a war to take over our sovereignty years ago, that Washington
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was aiding and funding this along with President Bush and the Democrats.
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He's been totally vindicated.
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Totally vindicated.
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Yeah, so Alex has buddies who are in Glenn Spencer's pretend fun let's act like cops
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game.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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A lot of good people in there.
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A lot of good people just think, hey, you know what?
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I need to go get a gun because an imaginary line will make me feel better.
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Yep.
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Cool.
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I think that also this introduces some dynamics for the interview that make it not very meaningful.
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Are you sure it doesn't start off very adversarial?
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No.
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I don't know how much truth we're going to get to.
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So he has some phone problems, Glenn.
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And one of the phone problems happens just after, I don't think that this is like intentional
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at all.
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Sure.
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But one could, if they were into conspiracies, try and pitch the idea that Glenn is talking
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about all the other media that has had him on and then his phone mysteriously goes out.
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And of course, we were on with Michael Savage also on MSNBC.
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We were on CNN the other night.
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Blitzer had, again, live pictures of R.U.S.
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I think we just lost Glenn's cell phone.
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Bad connection.
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We'll try to reconnect and get Glenn Spencer back on.
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And you notice the Neocons will talk about some of the real issues and have good folks
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like Glenn Spencer on.
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But in the end equation, they don't put the heat on Lord Bush, who can stop all this basically
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instantaneously.
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So that's interesting, because Alex's premise seems to generally be that these people won't
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have folks like Glenn Spencer on.
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But now Glenn is on the show and he's saying, I was on with Michael Savage, who Alex has
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said is a dirty Neocon beatnik.
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Al, sure, they'll have him on sometimes.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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But they won't put the heat on.
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What does that mean?
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They won't put the heat on Lord Bush.
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What meaningful heat is Alex putting on Bush that other people aren't?
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I mean, all of the heat.
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What is so hot?
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What does that mean?
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It's so much heat that he's putting on Lord Bush.
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I want to know in concrete terms.
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Other places are not putting as much heat.
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A lot of them are chilly.
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Okay, some places they cook at 450 degrees and other places 375.
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They're not putting that much heat.
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I find this to be, it sounds like Alex scrambling.
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It's almost convenient that the phone cuts out there.
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But again, I'm not saying that one of the producers hung up on him or anything.
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But it's just, man, he needed to save and he got an opportunity to make the save.
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But it still doesn't make a lot of sense.
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I mean, the speed with which he said we got cut off, normally he waits just a little bit
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longer.
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No, no, no.
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No, I'm telling you.
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No, no, no.
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Now, if you heard a speech that he gave just a few months before this, all right.
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Calm down.
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Okay.
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So Glenn gets his phone back working and he has said that if you hear a bing bong, bing
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bong sound effect in the background, that is the alarm that one of his sensors has picked
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up an illegal crossing the border.
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He has a bunch of sensors put up around the border.
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He's got a bunch of sensors on the border.
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And apparently some drones that take pictures of people.
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Really?
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Jesus Christ, join a bowling league.
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You can only do so much in the world of bowling.
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You bowl a perfect game and then what else are you going to do?
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Well, I mean, you got to protect the borders, obviously.
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You don't want any gutter balls.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So there's one thing that I do applaud Glenn for, and that he'll lay out in this clip after
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his alarm goes off.
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Okay.
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Glenn, good to have you back on.
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Sorry, we got disconnected.
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I don't know where we were because I was on a monologue.
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No.
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Well, you were making a lot of good points as to what you were doing, but Glenn, now...
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Oh, oh, oh, just a second, did you, did you, do you hear that?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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That, that is our sensor going off.
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Okay.
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This is right down by the San Pedro river coming into Arizona.
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We just picked up five people.
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You just heard it.
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Five people.
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Wow.
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The sensors are computerized and we count them.
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You just heard it.
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Uh, yes, I, I, I did.
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It flashes up on a computer screen.
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It gives the exact location and the exact number of people.
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And now on national TV, you've had your gloves out.
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No, no, no, no, we're not, we're not sending this out right yet until we get all of our
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testing done.
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I'm talking about your gloves.
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Right here, but we will eventually, now, but we will not do this.
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We will not give the actual locations, uh, up on the internet and there's a reason for
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that.
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These people are attacked, murdered, and robbed by Mexican bandits, no matter where they are.
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And if we showed them where they were, they would be subject to attack, not by Americans,
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but by their own country.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Look, whatever he needs to tell himself to not publicize that information, fine.
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If he needs to tell himself that it's Mexican bandits that are the, that are the risk to
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telling where the locations of these migrants are, fine, fine.
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Because at the end of the day, that information isn't going to these weirdo fucking right
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wing militias who think that our country's being invaded.
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So good.
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Keep, keep that fucking information to yourself.
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Wild.
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Wild.
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We don't, listen, listen.
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I don't want Bandidos hurting these people.
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Okay.
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I want me and my buddies to know that his buddies would never, they would never even
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think about it.
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We wouldn't hurt anybody.
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We want to protect them from the Bandidos, right?
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You know?
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And that's why we carry the guns in case we get into a bandit fight and, and there's a
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stage coach and we got to there, we're going to fight on top of it and then we'll save
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the immigrants and safely move them on to the other end of the Rio Grande.
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Safely but forcefully.
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Simply with a little bit of a bayonet.
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Also I would argue that the general directions that he gave were such that someone might
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be able to...
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So easy to find.
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So easy to find.
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I think he might have undercut his own point.
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I do like whenever the overconfidence of they'll never find this comes up.
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I love to the beginning of his interview, he does say that if you hear that bing bong
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bing bong go off, that it's my, my trap getting triggered or whatever.
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And then miraculously in the middle of the interview.
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So weird.
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So weird.
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So it's so good.
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It's such great timing.
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And it's like, it's exactly what you would want to do is create an alarm that goes off
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instead of just some sort of an alert or something.
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You would want a weird noise.
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It's gotta be, it's gotta be the bat signal.
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It's gotta be over, it's gotta be overdone, overwritten.
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There's a bing for each individual that crosses the...
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So dumb.
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Oh my God.
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So anyway, we have one last clip here and it's Glenn talking about a plan that he has.
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You know, you don't need a driver's license anymore.
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You get into an accident, you know what we're going to start doing?
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We're going to start up printing up counselor, matriculate counselor cards for anybody who
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wants to log onto our website.
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You might want to do it too.
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Just charge them 15 bucks and you print it up and send it to them.
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And then when they get stopped by the cops, just hand it to them, you know.
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It doesn't work as a driver's license.
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No.
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And also, I gotta think that if you did do this, you might get in international trouble.
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Yeah, no, that would be a bad idea.
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Like if he is actually going to sell consular I.B., fake consular I.B.
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That's against the law.
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That's fraud.
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That's fraud.
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That might be a giant crime.
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That's a serious problem.
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Yeah.
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I would advise him not to do this.
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I also don't think he was doing this.
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I think he's talking shit.
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I think what's funny about it is that if it were to go down the way that he wants it to
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go, where everybody does this to subvert the system, what we would find out is that everything
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would be fine.
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Thereby disproving his whole, this is a problem argument, you know?
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Like this is a bluff.
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Yeah, that's possible.
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It's a bluff.
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And these people are just mad.
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They're just mad that other people have rights.
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I don't like it.
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Back in my day when I was young, I didn't have to deal with other people having rights.
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And I feel like that was a better system for me.
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So let's keep it.
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Yeah.
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So like I said, that was the last clip.
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And here's the honest to God truth.
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There's another hour of the show and Alex says he's going to take calls, but I can't
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find that last hour of the show.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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The place where I have found all these episodes from, it doesn't have the third hour.
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And so we only have these two hours of the show.
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Interesting.
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Now, I think they're probably just boring calls or something.
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I don't know if there's anything nefarious in that absence of this hour.
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I don't know.
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I think we should speculate wildly.
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Yeah.
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I think the amount of stuff about JFK and the bars of gold and stuff, I figured even
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without whatever dumb calls he takes in the third hour, I'm satisfied with what we've
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learned today.
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I like a good JFK conspiracy.
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There's never a bad time to tell me lies about JFK.
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What's fun too about this is it was a sort of scattershot JFK conspiracy.
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Oh yeah.
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No, it was all over the place.
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No depth to anything, but all over.
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Do I have any depth?
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Sure.
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Every time you go into depth with JFK's conspiracies, you just find out something that disproves
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it.
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My man, just yell Northwood.
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That's all you gotta do.
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You're fine.
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Secret societies!
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So I enjoyed going back to the past a little bit, and I think that I've been reinvigorated
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and I feel like back on track.
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Whew.
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I like it.
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Yeah.
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But we will be back, Jordan, on our next episode.
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Indeed we will.
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We have a website.
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We will be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX.
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Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Thank you so much for having me.
