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back to Knowledge Fight. Boy, you you do not recognize how
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long that theme song is until you're sitting across the room
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from someone who didn't know that it was probably going to
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play as we were starting the show. Um so, hey, everybody,
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here's the thing. Uh Jordan is still on vacation uh until
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Monday. He gets back on Monday but we need to have an episode
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for Monday and so I was uh I was in a little bit of uh uh a
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pickle and uh thankfully uh someone's in town visiting and
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uh there's a person who uh friend of the show I would say
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I think that's fair. You've been on before uh remotely
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although this is the first time uh we've met in person on
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this trip. Uh someone who's Brian Stelter's new best friend
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just uh recently made a debut on Reliable Sources. Uh Jared
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Holt, welcome. Dan, thanks so much. Yeah, we we've been in
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contact through the years but here I am in HQ. Kat's here.
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True. The theme song has got me all pumped up and the headphones
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like I'm ready to go. I know that you're somebody who gets
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amped and so like I wanted to really try and bring that
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energy out of you with the uh the theme song. Yeah, you know,
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it's Jared Holt, Notorious Hype Guy. Uh huh. Yeah. You're like
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the DJ Khaled of right wing uh uh uh uh researchers. Oh, yeah,
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I don't know about that but. That's not the right uh example.
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I feel like he has gone from somebody who like was known for
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being like the the guy who'd yell on tracks to the guy who
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does not perform oral sex on women. I feel like his his
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whole reputation changed in that in that. Anyway, we're
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off track. I thought this was a show about Info Wars. It is. It
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is somewhat. Uh it's it's always uh a little bit
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challenging to uh to figure out exactly what the show is
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without uh one half of it. You know whenever whenever I have I
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have a conversation with somebody else. It's you know
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like you know what what do we do but I think this is going to
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be uh a little bit different since I think you and I have
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fairly similar mentalities at least similar uh worlds of
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focus. You know we both uh look at a lot of the same kind of
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right wing media landscape and uh do a lot of criticism about
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it and uh you know I think I think that uh that that uh will
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provide a lot of interesting uh insight. Yeah, I hope so. I
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mean you and I have kind of a similar approach where we're
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very like clinical about it where I don't know like it's
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very easy to get like upset or frustrated with this kind of
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stuff but you and I both share the uh gift and curse of being
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completely dead inside. So we're able to consume this and
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and process it and hopefully help it make sense to other
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people. I don't like that you put it that way but you're
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probably right. I I think that there's a I like to pretend
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maybe I'm not maybe this isn't totally accurate but I like to
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pretend that it's like academic detachment like I can be
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pissed off at these things that are being I'm listening to and
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I'm hearing but that's not going to help my ability to
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convey the information and so I can detach that from uh the
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work or whatever. Yeah, it it helps to think that you're
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like trying to do something about it. It does. It does. The
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the the that that does make it uh less frustrating. Um so what
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I wanted to do, we should tell folks a little bit uh that like
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so pre pandemic before COVID ever came to be a word we knew
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about. You and I had gone back and forth a little bit on
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Twitter and we were talking about the phenomenon that we
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were noticing that was that Alex uh and Info Wars were
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becoming buddy buddy with Nick Fuentes and how bizarre that
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was and we had wanted to uh get together and have a little
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conversation about uh our feelings about that and what we
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thought that that meant and and uh then a worldwide pandemic
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happened and uh it kinda knocked those plans off track
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and then it looked for a little bit like their friendship or
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uh their their sort of working relationship wasn't going
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anywhere but now it's blossomed again. Yeah, I mean,
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Nick is hosting some of his videos on the Info Wars site
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now. Yeah. You know, I would consider that a pretty uh
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astounding development and you know, Alex and Nick were both
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appearing at the same rallies working together for Stop the
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Steel. Sure. And uh I mean, they went on tour together.
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Yeah, I mean, they've really grown closer together and it's
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it's interesting. We were talking before we started
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recording. It's not really a perfect match like the whole
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groiper white nationalist stuff. I mean, certainly, Alex
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has broadcast elements of that movement or rhetoric on his
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show. Sure. Uh throughout the years in various capacities but
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like styling wise and sort of strategy wise, it's it's kinda
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like two different extremist worlds coming together. Yeah.
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And it it's really interesting to see kind of where that is
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meshing and where it's not. Mm hmm. I think interestingly, I
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think strategy or you know, like that that end of things I
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think is actually fairly compatible because it is kind
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of attention grabbing based uh strategy. You know, like at
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least in terms of on the ground, you know. Oh, right.
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Nick Fuentes and all of his followers would go and like
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disrupt Turning Point uh uh events and it would get a lot
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of attention and you know, Alex would go bullhorn people and
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that gets him tons of attention too but I think I think what
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you mean is more like strategy behind like social uh policy
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and and like what their goals would be. Yeah and also just
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kinda how they see the vehicle into influence and power.
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Somebody like Nick Fuentes who's you know, just unabashed
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white nationalist unless he's getting criticism then he's
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just kidding. Uh a comedian. It's a comedy show. Uh complete
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coward by the way. Way more respect if you just own it but
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like I'm not saying that's a lot of respect but at least a
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smidge maybe in a very cynical way. A loathsome
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respect. Yeah, I guess that's the way to put it but Nick sees
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his strategy as you know, they do these disruptive events.
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They go to Turning Point USA conferences. Uh they were at
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CPAC a few weeks ago as we're recording this. America
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uncancelled. Yeah and they just kinda walk around and act like
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dicks and like they get attention. There's a ton of
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press and all the things they go to and their hope is to kinda
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siphon off enough of the energy that's going on with those
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groups to become a type of stakeholder in the broader
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scene that demands, you know, if not respect at least some
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sort of like catering or compromise with. Whereas Alex,
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I don't know that he's really seen his goal as like
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mainlining into the GOP or like he hasn't particularly
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targeted young people the way that Nick has. I think he would
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like to. Uh yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd love to but um I don't
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know that I've seen so much of a coherent strategy for that.
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No, that's true. That's true and I think that what you're
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getting at is something that I've always thought of as like
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Nick and Alex are very different in as much as I think
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that Nick has a political project he's working on and
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Alex is just a con artist. Oh, you know, like he has like
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there's an ideology behind Alex and like there's there's
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beliefs that he has and there's things that he would like to
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see uh put in place in terms of you know, I mean some of it
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does overlap with Nick like anti-immigrant sentiment.
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Certainly they both share um but Alex yeah definitely he
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doesn't have the the same like desire to really augment the
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the GOP. Uh he wants Alex wants the GOP to be weirder like him
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whereas Nick wants to gain sort of access to the means of
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power. Yeah because Nick, I mean I unfortunately have uh
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the experience of being one of the first people to like
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really critically cover Nick in uh reporting for right wing
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watch at the time uh and all he's wanted the whole time is
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just to command some kind of respect in the Republican Party
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cuz he was this young guy uh based you know around here in
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Chicago. Uh don't rub it in went to school was anti-Trump
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uh then was pro-Trump then got this like shitty little gig at
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right side Broadcasting Network before it was anything. Mm hmm.
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Then got canned from that being like for saying something
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along the lines of like oh CNN anchors should be hanged. You
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know and just got bitter about it. You know and well and he's
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you know in his view he's doing all this stuff to support the
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Trump cause in a way that is truer to the Trump cause than
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you know a place like Fox News might be and believes that he
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is entitled to some kind of throne. You know to be some
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kind of intellectual thought leader. I think he's really
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bitter towards Charlie Kirk because Charlie Kirk is a
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bumbling doofus and Nick thinks that he should be Charlie Kirk.
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You know. Yeah. I think that I think on some level if you take
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away like how a toxic of people they are, I get that. Nick is
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better at this. It's like Charlie Kirk, but I think that
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he's II think that the problem with that entitlement is is not
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understanding what the requirements of the gig are the
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fact that Charlie Kirk is a bumbling doofus is the reason
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he fits into that hole and the and the the the fact that Nick
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has AA like a sense of himself and feels entitled means he
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does not qualify for that role. No because he would end up
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**** up the game. He would end up going off script. He would
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end up advocating for some position that the the people
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who are bankrolling everything don't want him to and then well
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this is a problem. Yeah. That's that's how it goes and not to
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mention that around jeez. I don't know 2016 2017 2018 and I
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mean for **** sake the rest of the years afterward. Um he's
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been toying with you know what was called the alt right at
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that time. Uh you know mingling very close with just some
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really grizzly like white supremacist and you know
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echoing themes of Holocaust denial rambling on about anti
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Jewish conspiracy theories and it doesn't matter what he does
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or what he changes at this point. He has done enough
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damage to himself already that he is like never going to be
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the Charlie Kirk unless you know there is some sort of
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insurgency type movement within the younger GOP base. Yeah.
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Yeah and I and I think you can see that that is what he would
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like to incite. Yeah. Almost out of self preservation
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interestingly and how do you put it that way? It almost
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seems like well this is the only shot I have at relevance
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is to foment extremism that I can ride the wave of. Yeah and
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you know Nick wants to ride it to power. Uh Alex wants to
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ride it to sell super male vitality um and keep himself
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afloat. I I may be younger in Alex's career. He had
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aspirations like that uh but it II don't even know if they
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were as explicit or as as obvious as Nick's are. Yeah.
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Yeah. I would I would say so from looking at other periods
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in Alex's career. I think I think he's closer but certainly
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not uh to the to the degree that that Nick is at like what
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is he twenty-two now like you know it's like he has he has a
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very sharp focus uh at at a young age. Um you were you were
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bringing up um like high school. Did you ever have you
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watched his videos from high school? A handful here in the
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just enough to like kinda get the gist of what I was
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reporting out at the time just to be like well who the **** is
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this guy because even years ago, I mean this is probably
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three or 4 years ago at this point um when I first kinda
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caught wind of Nick and was watching his videos. I was like
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this guy is young. This guy is for better for worse sharp. He
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speaks extremely well and like depending on what this guy does
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it could be very potent um and I think we're seeing sort of the
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side effects of that potency. Yeah. You're getting elected
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officials like Paul Gosar in Arizona, Michelle Malkin, a very
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prominent uh you know columnist for decades throwing their weight
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behind this guy because they see him as like the next
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generation of what they do. Yeah and somebody who has like
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the ability to um be a face of of what they do. You know like
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he has the the ability to enter hostile spaces and come away
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with at least some modicum of like well that didn't destroy
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me. You know you can argue with people who disagree with him.
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He's very slick. He is uh uh yeah II. It I got the exact
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same sense from him the first time I came across him as well
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um for a period uh friend of mine was really into like those
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online debates and like those uh those where they wanna just
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yell at each other and they're like welcome to the political
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debate. We've gathered eight people to scream at each other.
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None of whom have an undergrad degree and then they're like
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alright. We go now to uh based night thirty-four and then
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based night thirty-four gets on there and it's just like I hate
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gay people and then everyone's like that's terrible and and
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that's the debate. We're here about here about he gets 2
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minutes like the rest of you. Yeah. I would watch some of
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these and II believe uh this friend of mine uh was really
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into destiny and so I watched his debate with Nick and I that
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was I think where he first came into my uh scope of uh of
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awareness and I thought like this guy is **** dangerous.
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Yeah. He is he is really good at making bad points and he's
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really young too. Mm hmm. So his potential shelf life is a
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long long time. Mm hmm. Things have gotten much harder for him
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lately. Um I don't know what **** did it right but you know
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what was left of his access to social media platforms finally
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pulled the trigger and that was amazing. It took that long.
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Yeah. It's it and he had a verified account on Twitter
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until like with like six weeks ago. Six figure following.
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Yeah. Um and would speak like very explicitly uh Southern
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Poverty Law Center put out a report that took a big look at
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sort of the problems with Twitter and how it relates to
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extremism and in part of that report, they brought up Nick
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Fuentes and they pulled this quote that I think like
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illustrated sort of what was interesting here really well
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where Nick was like, oh yeah, you know, I I got banned from
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YouTube or I get banned from Dlive or whatever and then I
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just tweet the link and then everybody goes and follows me
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on the next one. Uh like that was kind of his last really
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effective megaphone um and now he's on telegram. I guess but
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and Gab I think is still active for him. But he won't shut the
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**** up about how much he hates telegram and like he's not he
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well, they probably are terrible communication mediums.
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Well, it's one way, right? It's. Yeah. So, it's like he
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sends a message and it's not like his followers really like
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it's not like Twitter where they get the replies and they
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just like pop off or whatever. People fight with each other.
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Yeah. There's no endorphin rush. It's just, yeah, it's one
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way. I guess there's like few counts on it. If you opened up,
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if you opened up that telegram channel where people could
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comment on it, it would just be like insanity. I'm his phone
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would blow up and like, you know, so um I saw that he's on
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rumble like there's that video platform where people can just
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post **** and one of the things that I thought was really
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interesting is looking at how unactive that is. Yeah, rumble
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Donald Trump Jr is on rumble. That's sort of the flagship. I
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think Dinesh D'Souza, other great philosophical minds sure
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that uh uh use rumble. Some QAnon people used rumble for a
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while. Mm hmm. I don't know if that's as prominent anymore but
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previously just don't get that much traffic. No. Yeah.
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Previously, my only uh interaction with it was uh when
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uh Owen Troyer did that uh that uh caravan along the uh the
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east coast for stopping the steal uh that uh the person who
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was along with him was only posting stuff on rumble. So it's
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the only time I've been there. I had no real sense of the site
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and I I you know II went to when I was preparing this
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episode. I went to Nick's channel very very low counts
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and if I were him, I would actually see info wars as one
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of the more viable outlets that has actual people uh around and
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that kind of scares the **** out of me. Yeah. Like if I had
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gone to rumble and seen good view counts, I would be like,
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well, at least he has his own thing off Alex's uh space.
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Yeah but like on Alex's platform, I was super skeptical
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of it when he launched it but some of the videos on there
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pulling in hundreds of thousands of views. I don't
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know. I haven't looked at the view counts for Nick's videos
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on there but you know, occasionally, you get a viral
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banger on on Alex's platform. Yeah. It's not, it's not super
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common. It's the numbers aren't like what they used to be on
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on like a YouTube or whatever but it's still, it's still more
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than than like it's more than nothing. Right. Nick's views
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aren't huge but they're better than on like let's say a rumble
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type platform which would be something that you would take
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into consideration if you're looking at a market um and one
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of the things that uh you were saying you were skeptical when
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Alex launched that. I was skeptical when Nick came around
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because I thought that there was no way that Alex was going
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to let him be explicit and I was wrong. Well, a lot of the
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way Nick got into Info Wars was sort of through the like
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C-list host. You had like Jake Floyd at the time. Harrison
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Smith was having him on. Sure. Owen and him uh hit it off
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pretty well. Yeah. It's like he almost came in through like
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the trap door of Info Wars and then Alex was like, look at
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this patriot. This guy's amazing. I always remember like
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when I was younger, I was told that even if you didn't like
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graduate from high school, even if you never took the SAT or
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ACT, if you went to two summer school classes at the
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University of Missouri, you'd be automatically enrolled the
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next semester as a student and that's kind of what Nick did
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with Info Wars. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of. Yeah, I um I
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remember too like the the the first like real indication that
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I had that something was like trouble was the CPAC from last
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year. I believe when Alex went and uh got too drunk and fell
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asleep before his speech and then Nick uh was kind of just
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taking over the room and like you could see that he had a far
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more uh uh potent sway over the audience than that. Well, I
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mean, Alex was asleep but the rest of the people there didn't
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have any kind of connection that was close to to what Nick
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was bringing. That was that was a little bit bad. He he he he
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took over Alex's own event more or less. Yeah and II think that
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was gonna kinda happen anyway. I've gone to CPAC several
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years. I haven't gone since the pandemic but that CPAC I did
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go to. I did not go to the Info Wars event. Wait, that was 2
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years ago, right? It was 2 years ago. Yeah, excuse me. I um
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didn't go to the Info Wars event because at that point, I
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mean, I'm a known enough quantity to this these people
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that it's almost no point. I can't do reporting if I go
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there because as soon as I show up, I just get like swarmed,
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right? And it. Yeah, you become the story. Yeah and I that's
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that's not what my job is. Yeah. So, I I tend to just skip
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it or I was like watching it or whatever but CPAC generally as
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an event like certainly there's some donors that are around
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some older activists, you know, passionate adults but it and
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it's like this for almost, you know, any major conference or
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event in DC. They pack the numbers with college kids like
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what happens on the stage is for the cameras and there's
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media. It's like a media circus and then there's also like the
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underbelly of all these conferences is bringing in
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young college kids and trying to rear up the next generation
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of the conservative movement because the conservative
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movement has been so **** the last couple decades frankly at
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pulling in younger generations to their cause. So, because
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Nick, the way he styles himself being young personally and also,
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you know, borrowing rhetoric and and stylings from, you
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know, popular Twitch streamers or memes and jokes, stuff like
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that. He resonates more with the younger audience. Sure. And I
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think, you know, at an event like CPAC, there's probably
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more people numbers wise in the crowd that could be pulled to
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somebody like Fuentes then, you know, I don't know how many die
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hard Info Wars listeners are just roaming around CPAC. In
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fact, most of the time when they go to CPAC, it's just to go
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be a thorn in the side until they get asked to leave. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah, I guess that that makes sense. Uh I mean, I think
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that someone like Alex probably has a difficult time
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connecting with the youth because the youth don't care
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about the red scare. Yeah. Uh. The tricoms. There's a little
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bit of uh uh uh uh you're an old man and I think that even
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like a lot of the insults that we see thrown around by Nick
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apply to Alex. That's another thing that I think is really
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funny about this incompatibility is that on its
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face, these two dudes are like like most of what makes Nick's
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brand work is opposition to what Alex stands for. Which is
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like Boomer 1776 taking America back revolution. Yeah. Nick on
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his own show. I don't care what color you are if you bleed red
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blood. Yeah. No. On Nick's show, he he talks about people
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that talk that use that kind of rhetoric and just I mean, I
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won't say what he calls them. Sure. He speaks very lowly of
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them. Yeah. Um and then he goes on Info Wars and he's almost
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just like I almost feel like you can see it in his face
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sometimes. He's like he's he knows that he kind of maybe for
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his career should be doing this but like isn't incredibly
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down. I think just sort of happy to have access to a large
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audience. Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing like I remember back when I did
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stand up. There would be shows that I didn't wanna do but it's
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like this is you just gotta do it. You just gotta do it.
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There's a crowd there. You know, just whatever. Uh I yeah,
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you get that sense of just like, yeah, I'm checking this
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off the list. I'm I'm just doing this and the other thing
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too on this incompatibility note is we were talking earlier
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about the Turning Point feud with with Nick and one of the
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big things that they used as a as a wedge in those whenever
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they would disrupt the Turning Point events was Israel. Yeah.
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They would bring up Israel and it would be like a why won't
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you denounce? Uh you know, you know, they were and this exact
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strategy could be quite effectively used against Alex.
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Yeah. I don't understand how somebody like Alex could watch
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what Nick and his fan base have done like exploiting uh
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uh Turning Point USA and not realize like well. Yeah, I
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that's like one of the few territories Alex it tends to be
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a little hesitant to go. Uh he's gone there once or twice
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but like uh you know, generally speaking. Yeah. He kinda soft
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walks it. Very much. Very much so to the point where I
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actually don't fully know what his full position is. No, I I
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I think that is probably on purpose. Keep it ambiguous
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enough that the folks in the audience that you know believe
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in all kinds of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories don't drop
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him but not specific enough that he gets in trouble with
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the other part of the audience that um you know is supportive
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of the state of Israel. Yeah. I I think I think that that is
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probably a strategic move on his part and probably wise for
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his his brand um but it's also the exact thing that someone
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like Nick would would be like no have a position. Why won't
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you have a but that's basically what he was yelling at Charlie
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Kirk. Right. At all those events and I just feel like Alex
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should know that that's might be coming down the road from
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within your own organization now. Yeah, I mean, we'll see
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with Nick not being on these platforms and losing access and
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you know, being in a position where he has the potential to
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start circling the drain quite a bit. We'll see if Alex can
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how long he can hold on. Um I I am pretty curious though. You
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know, cuz there's almost two ways it could go, right? Where
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on one hand, Alex is so cynical and you know, is kind of half
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consciously doing his show at this point that he's just like,
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yeah, whatever. We're getting the numbers in. This is about
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censorship. This isn't about what anybody is specifically
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saying and then there's the other part where he's just like,
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oh, maybe maybe we can like host the videos but he doesn't
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come on the show anymore. That sort of thing. It's it'll be
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interesting to see where those chips fall. Oh, well, I feel I
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feel like it's no matter what, gonna be bad. I don't feel like
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you can have these influences in the same like pot. Turn on a
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little bit of heat and it not turn into just utter chaos but
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we'll see. I'm gonna keep track of it and uh one of the things
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that I I wanted to do is I wanted to just discuss a little
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video that of Nick Fuentes is that he put on Info Wars. So
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again, this is something that now Alex has to deal with. I in
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preparation for this episode, I wanted to go and watch some of
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his uh Nick's off platform work and I was shocked how bad it
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is. Not even like offensive like there's some offensive
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stuff but it's just also bad. It's also just really doesn't
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seem like he's trying all that hard. Yeah, he's really gotten
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in his own head lately and like, I feel like half the show
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he's just, he just talks about, he's almost pulling a
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Laura Loomer where every time she opens her mouth, she's
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like, I'm, I'm so persecuted, it's so terrible, blah, blah,
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blah and just goes on and on and for like 20 minutes and
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then at the end is like, um. Let's check the super chats. I
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oppose tech censorship too. That's important. Look at
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Google. Google it and then the uh the one I watched one and uh
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he was he did like a 5 minute rant about how he wants to be a
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martyr but like not like Jesus. He doesn't want to get
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crucified. He wants to because crucifixion would suck but
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he's fine being a martyr like he's on a no fly list but even
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if he was crucified, he'd probably go to heaven. So that
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would be great. I was like, it's like, I don't know what
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this this is. I I listen to Alex Jones all the time. Like I
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didn't, I thought that was kind of uncompelling uh uh
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broadcasting and I listen to this **** Yeah. Um yeah, let's
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listen to some clips. Alright. So, this is a speech. This is
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from a speech that Nick gave uh that is on Info Wars now. It's
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hosted on there and it is about opposition to feminism. Uh and
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that that classic popular political position. Sure. The
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anti-feminism is a galvanizing uh force within some of the some
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of the uh proto-Trump communities. Yeah. The
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definitely uh it it fueled a lot of the anti SJW kind of uh
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uh uh outrage. Now, I think that there's a difference
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between uh what you might call classical anti-feminist ideas
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and what Nick is bringing to the table and uh we'll see that
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uh here we go. We're gonna give it a start. Now, they call me a
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sexist and that one is just true.
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Quite an applause break.
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Two.
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So, that's just true and if you're a man, you almost have
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to be. I don't really respect you if you're not. But no, but
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so they call you a sexist and why? I even get called this by
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so-called right wing women like for example, you know, Alex
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Clark.
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Man, she is ugly.
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So, I think uh uh this is one of the issues with with dealing
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with uh like someone his uh age and maybe humor maturity level
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and the the trying to mix the issues that he's trying to
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cover with she's ugly. Yeah, it seems almost explicitly aimed
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at like fourteen-year-old boys. Mm hmm. Um who are angry. Yeah
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and that's like particularly what is concerning to me about
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Fuentes as he goes through the years is he aims young. Um like
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a like a Crowder type like he he's clearly uh somebody who is
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like I know once you reach a certain age, you're probably
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not gonna be interested in this **** right right and it's he's
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like part stand-up comic. Uh even though as I try to
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imagine that set in like literally any comedy club and
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he's like Alex Clark right in the audience is like who who
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the **** is that? I pay attention to right wing stuff
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and even I had to look up who she was. Yeah, she does an
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Instagram show for TP USA. Who gives a **** dude? Yeah. Who
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cares? Well, see, that's what's that's what's fascinating to me
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about this is like imagining it as a stand-up set. It's like,
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huh? But then also imagining it as like a serious political
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thing is also like, well, what are you doing? Yeah. You're
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doing like, ah, I got into a fight with this commentator for
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Turning Point USA. This is the cornerstone of these this
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lecture that I'm gonna get. It's absurd in both spaces.
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Yeah, it's just I I don't know. I I just don't get it
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really. Um I mean, I get it. I get what the point of it is. Um
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but the way he's going about it, it's it's it kinda makes me
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sick a little bit to think like imagine if you and I were
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putting out the show but we were putting on the like hello.
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It's or what's the meme like howdy my fellow kids or
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whatever. Oh yeah. The Steve Buscemi meme. Yeah. Yeah. We
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open up the podcast and I'm just like, epic dab, Dan.
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That's so **** sick. Yeah, Alex Jones. He looks like he's got a
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a zit for a head. Ah. Damn. Morning zoo sounds. You know,
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it's. It would be something worth uh taking seriously. I
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think. Well, the thing is there's some real political
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action to back it up, right? Yeah. So, we kinda like have to
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take it seriously. That's the trap and that's the problem and
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I think that understanding that trap is uh it's important to
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recognize that you have this like bad stand up and bad uh
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political thing that is absurd but it also veers into this
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like he's complaining about Alex Clark and this is one of
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his complaints that he brings up almost immediately upon
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bringing her up. She's she's pretty rough looking and I see
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these pictures of her. You ever see in uh dating show. She's in
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the jacuzzi. Like a black guy. What the **** is that?
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Hey, I was based. See, there we go. You know, like you have
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this joke that's not a joke. Yeah, exactly and it's it's
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kinda clever because when throughout the years, people
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like myself or places like the Southern Poverty Law Center or
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you know, anti-extremism people have criticized Nick. He's kind
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of hidden under the oh, it's an edgy joke. It's a stand-up
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comedy. You know, 20 years ago, you'd go to a comedy club and
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hear this um but I don't think Nick is even old enough to know
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if that's true or not. That's just like something someone
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told him one time. Yeah. Yeah. He might just say Lenny Bruce
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and then never uh know who he was. Um but like the the thing
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is like let's if you wanna take it from like the
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perspective of a joke like the joke here is that Nick thinks
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it's gross that someone who's not black would be in a jacuzzi
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with a black man and I don't know what the joke is. Yeah,
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it's not a joke. There isn't a joke. That's just hate. Yeah, I
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guess the joke is like the only possible joke is him parodying
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being racist for the sake of being anti-racist and that's
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clearly not what he's doing. Damn. This podcast is taking a
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turn. I didn't think it would be Nick Fuentes secret
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anti-fascist. It's an inside job. I remember I had a friend
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uh when I was younger who was pretty convinced that uh Ann
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Coulter was a performance artist and like all of it was
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an elaborate parody of right wing stuff and I thought that
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was fascinating back when I used to smoke a lot of weed and
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uh I was like oh what if damn bro I think that uh if I were
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younger maybe someone would make that argument about Nick
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like secretly this is all parody and like no it's not
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it's just poorly thought out uh bigotry that's being masked
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by like a very thin uh sheet. Yeah, very thin. Um I don't know
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how it could. It's like a Kleenex. You can see right
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through it. Um so in this next clip here, Nick begins to lay
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out what his problem with feminism is and it relates back
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to uh Clark uh Alex Clark a little bit but it actually
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doesn't. It relates to a friend of Alex Clark's which is
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really weird. But here's the problem with feminism. You know,
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you see all these conservatives and they've been
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beating this drum for years. They'll say things like, well,
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there's no sexism. There's no gender pay gap. They've been
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doing that argument for like 10 thousand years and they'll
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say things like, for example, third wave feminism is the
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problem. You know, we'll always have to stipulate. Well, it's
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the third wave. It's these new feminists. Oh, feminism's fine.
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You know, the first, second, every wave leading up to the
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third wave is wrong and or rather everything leading up to
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the third wave is right. The reason they call me a sexist or
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a woman hater like Robert Barnes said is because I
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actually believe in real traditional values and I'll
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tell you what I mean by that. At CPAC, they're against
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abortion and if you're Christian, you have to be
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against abortion. It really, if you're a human being and I'll
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say it's not even just Christians. If you're a human
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being, if you see what they do to these babies, they go in
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there and they rip them out, rip them to pieces. This is
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barbarism. It's completely inhumane and over at CPAC,
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they're opposed to abortion and I think that's a very
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standard conservative position and it should be but abortion
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is kind of starting the story in the middle when it comes to
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an unplanned, so-called unplanned pregnancy. So now
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here is where he gets into his problem. It's when you have an
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opposition to abortion, that's starting the problem in the
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middle. That's like you have a problem that you think is the
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problem and it's abortion but there's actually a problem over
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here beforehand. Yeah, I mean, beneath all the like weird
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jokes that aren't jokes and like almost the openers are
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almost like stand-up comedy or edgy Twitch streamers,
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rhetoric, Nick's whole rhetorical strategy and you
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know, extremists do this all the time, is to present
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themselves as like the truer version of the you've heard
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this. You're you're not in your head but let me tell you this
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is a stop gap. It does not fix the problem and I have the
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solution. That's his whole. That is his whole presentation
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is the truer conservative. It goes back to what I was saying.
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He believes he deserves the place of somebody like Charlie
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Kirk because he thinks he is a truer iteration of Trumpism
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which as somebody who didn't like Trump too much, I won't
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fight him on that. Yeah, you can take that mantle if you
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want. Yeah, go for it. You know what, dude? Go for it. Yeah. I
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won't correct you but yeah, it's it's interesting cuz this
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is what he's been doing for years. Yeah. The the rhetorical
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strategy that you're talking about is definitely there and
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I think the other thing that he's doing is he's taking this
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thing that everybody in the room agrees on and that is that
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we're against abortion because obviously you can hear from
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their response. This is a anti-choice crowd. So, he's
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taking that agreement and then he's twisting it into well, if
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you agree with this, you actually also agree with this
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other thing that you probably actually don't and there's not
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really connective tissue to get you there logically and this is
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where Alex Clark's friend comes into play because apparently
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Alex Clark was friends with somebody who decided not to get
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an abortion and this makes Nick mad somehow. You know, for
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example, there was a friend of Alex Clark who we had a little
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bit of a fight with on Twitter earlier this year and she went
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out on Twitter and she announced, hey, everybody, I'm
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not aborting my baby and everybody was like, wow, wow,
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Queen. Great job. You didn't abort your baby. I mean, all
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the said is the bar really that low. I mean, if that's the bar
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to be a conservative or a conservative influencer that
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you don't abort babies and now we're supposed to sing your
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praises. I said that's not good enough and let's think about
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the story here. A woman will have an unplanned pregnancy so
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called and then, you know, maybe she'll choose life or
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maybe she'll choose abortion but why are women having
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pregnancies that they don't want? I mean, ask yourself that
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why does that happen? Why do abortions happen? They're
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having babies they don't want because they're having sex
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outside of marriage. That's why and there's a word for that.
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There's a word for that. It's called adultery. That's what
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that's called. This is this is dumb. Yeah. This is real dumb.
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Yeah. So, you've taken the opposition to abortion and now
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turned it into like, well, you actually have to be opposed to
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people having sex because that's why unplanned
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pregnancies happen and I would say that a really easy
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rebuttal to this would just be like, well, are there other
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things that can stop unplanned pregnancies like maybe
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universal access to reproductive health care,
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destigmatization by way of reproductive education. These
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these kinds of things have clearly a track record that has
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shown that this does drastically reduce unwanted
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pregnancies. Um so, why do we have to just have everyone
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stop **** Yeah and this seems like a pretty hard sell to a
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room of teenage boys. I'll just say that. Remembering myself as
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a teenage boy and how the only thing I thought about was I
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wonder if and when I will have sex. Mm hmm. Um it was on my
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mind. It would come up from time to time. I grew up in a
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bit of a Christian environment and I. Same. I should tell you
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that I did get a promise ring and there was a I'm going to
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save myself for marriage thing in my in my church. I grew up
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in Arkansas but I didn't go that far. Uh well II wish that
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I had had the restraint because it was a bad period of time. I
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feel a little embarrassed looking back but I found it
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really interesting listening to stuff like this because there's
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an anger behind what Nick is saying and there's an anger to
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that women shouldn't have sex before marriage whereas as much
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as I regret and I get kind of cringy feelings about myself
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looking back at my past. I don't think there was anger
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about premarital sex. I think there was a choice that I felt
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I was making and I didn't really care that much about
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what other people were doing except my friends in the church
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community. If they had already made the same decision as I had
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yeah cuz the the premise of a promise ring is kind of a
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personal one. It is the person that I end up marrying. I
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believe deserves to have me completely. That's the kind of
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rhetoric they use versus what pre committed to each other or
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whatever versus what Nick does is like I is essentially just
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like a woman must be clean for me. It's like it's like it's
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one thing for people to be like oh I want to do this for my
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partner. I'm gonna do whatever um but it's another thing to be
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like you owe me this like that is a little **** up. Yeah II
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think also just like even just like ballooning out a little
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bit umbrella looking at it. The preoccupation with with
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virginity or purity or any of that stuff is a little bit
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unhealthy no matter what but the hostility and the anger
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really just bums me out, especially when there's just
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like if your problem is allegedly abortion and your
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solution to it is you know get rid of things that lead to
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pre or unplanned pregnancies or other strategies. You do not
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have to go with people can't have sex and and ultimately if
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you zoom out just a little bit what Nick is doing is like some
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friend of Alex Clark was probably like **** you Nick
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rightfully. So yeah, probably disagree with her on everything
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else, but like there's some common ground there uh and he
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looked at that and said like, oh, she said **** you. Nick
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gross. She had sex. What a what a blah. You know II really
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I don't wanna borrow the language he's using but um
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there's it's it's pretty gross. Yeah and I think that
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there's also even like if we take if we take all of this all
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this content out of it, you still have somebody who sees
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himself as like a political leader complaining about a
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fight he had on Twitter right and that is sad and his gripe
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they had sex gross right and then something happened that
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was unexpected and they made the decision I would want them
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to make and I'm still mad about it. Yeah cuz it's still
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not good enough because they had okay sure whatever um so
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Nick also appears to be against contraception uh as he he lays
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out a little bit. Why else do women have on planned
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pregnancies? Well, they use contraception and it doesn't
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work. Contraception and then they wind up with a pregnancy.
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In short, the Bible and Christianity tells us about
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sexuality. This is traditional too that young men and young
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women are supposed to get married and then they're only
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supposed to do it with each other. That's what the Bible
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tells us about marriage. Conservatives seem to be okay
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with everything leading up to the unplanned pregnancy. The
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contraception, the promiscuity, the sort of hook up culture,
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casual sex, all of that and then when there's an unplanned
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pregnancy, then they draw the line and they say, no, no, but
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we're the real conservatives. Go no further. You've gotta go
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all the way to the beginning of the story. So Nick is
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equating conservative values with theocratic Christian
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societal organization basically and even then um I
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would encourage him to brush up on his Bible a little bit
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because there are plenty of people in God's good graces
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that got around. Sure, I would say. Sure. Um Jesus hung out
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with uh some folks who might have been uh looked down upon
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by someone like Nick. He spoke out in their defense in fact.
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Uh yeah, it's uh but but yeah like you're saying the
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argument here is that the GOP should be the vehicle of the
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church. Yes. Um which a lot of Christian right uh folks would
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probably agree with but it's something that our government
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is set up at least on paper in theory uh to not be. I would
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hope. Fingers crossed. I mean at the rate we're going now.
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Yeah and I think that there's a difference between like
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wanting your religious beliefs to be respected and wanting
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them to be doctrine to everyone and expected of
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everyone to follow and that is clearly what Nick is advocating
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for. Nick is clearly advocating for um a society where his
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particular religious beliefs are codified into whatever one
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has to follow and that's not gonna be great. Yeah and I
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think for Nick and also for like people in the white
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nationalism that came generations before him, they
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saw the church um even if the church isn't in total
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agreement with their agenda is kinda the fastest way to erase
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or or to get to push the country away from the ideal of
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a multicultural democracy um by instituting some sort of
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theocratic control uh or you know mandating the laws of the
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government based on a religious philosophy. You can get more
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people to nod along and also have like an esoteric thing to
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point to. Um it's not you are not accountable. You are just
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following the rules and the good book right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. You have you have like sort of a thing you can fall
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back on that uh that's like wow. This is unquestionable.
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Yeah and I I wanna be totally clear nothing against
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religion. I'm not religious but but whatever you know it
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helps people right. But you know they do see this as a
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vehicle and you know I think for anybody who's listening to
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the show that's like a person of faith. It's something to be
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conscious of that that people are out there that would seek
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to exploit your faith to turn you towards something really
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nasty. Sure. Yeah. I mean like uh I I think you see that you
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see that a bit and that's that's one of the things that
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makes some of these conversations a little bit
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murky is you know uh trying to discuss that without coming
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off as anti religious or anti uh any kind of uh faith and I
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think it's very possible to walk that line but people
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sometimes do a bad job of it and I think it doesn't help
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that a lot of people uh have negative past experiences of
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their own that they bring to the table with religious
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communities and you know that that's just a challenge we all
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have. Yeah. It's hard to talk about it in a way that's not
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personal. Is my uh my tan from my promise ring showing my uh
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my permanent. I don't know. I well it's it's funny cuz it's
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on a few fingers. How many promises did you make? I made a
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lot of promises. They've all been broken. I had a pinky
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ring. I had a pinky promise ring. Oh man. I was gonna have
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a gang uh pink pinky and the boys. Um I need to just jump
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out the window here for that one. The uh there was there was
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another thing that I was thinking about here too. Oh yeah
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that that's what it is. Um there's there's another aspect
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of this religious stuff that Nick is bringing to the table
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that I think really highlights a distinct difference between
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him and people like Alex and traditional um sort of anti
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communist types and that is that there's religious zealotry
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and fervor on both sides but Nick is a Catholic fascist.
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Yeah. Very specifically and Alex is more of a Protestant
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type and I think that Alex doesn't understand that. Yeah.
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I don't know that he fully understands how those two um
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even historically speaking perhaps uh do not really get
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along. Yeah. The extreme ends of Catholic uh uh extremism
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let's say and more uh I don't even know what you would call
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him. I mean just Christian identity kind of is is the the
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the vein you would put Alex in. Yeah. No, I think that's
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right because he he sees it as something that he is. Um and I
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don't often hear Alex articulate like a really coherent
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like biblical argument for stuff. It's like. Sometimes he
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talks about like space in terms of god. He's weird. Oh yeah.
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Um yeah. I think that most things that he brings up about
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the Bible are like sort of out of context quotes about like
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Jesus saying get a sword and stuff like that. It's like well
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I'm not sure. I'm not sure what a grasp you have here. Yeah.
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But the traditions of his community in his world in terms
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of religion are very different um in terms of doctrine in
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terms of goals than than Nick's and I don't think that he
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realizes that when they say uh god or whatever they may have
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very distinct uh views in their mind and I think that's
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another thing that could uh lead to a problem between the
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two of them. Yeah because Alex will undoubtedly fail a purity
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test if Nick decides he wants to apply it. Yup. Um or Alex I
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mean potentially I guess could get uncomfortable by it. I
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don't know. Do things make him uncomfortable? I don't know. I
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don't know. I mean like until Nick does something that like
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his lawyer thinks he needs to do something about. I don't
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know if Alex would be uncomfortable cuz I don't think
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he knows like honestly. I don't I don't think he knows what
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goes on his own site. I don't I I can't imagine that cuz II
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just he he has to either not care or not know. Yeah and it's
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hard to know which which one of those it is. Yeah because
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things like this would be very difficult to stand behind. So
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you have Nick saying that um you know abortion is wrong and
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he's got the room on his side and therefore you can't ****
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cuz that's bad. You can only **** marriage but also this
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extends much further. It's not just about sexual morality.
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It's not just about the family but it's also about the
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composition of society. When men and women get married uh
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who's having the babies? Does anybody know? I mean it's the
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women that are having the babies. Yeah. That's how that
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works these days. It seems like people are okay with women in
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the workforce. I mean I go out there on my show and I say I
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don't think women should be in the workforce. Frankly, I don't
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know if they should be voted.
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And people say that's so backwards. How could you say
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that? What is this? The 1950s? The 1950s were a good time.
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They say, what is this? The 1950s? No, but it should be. We
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have to go back. We have to go back. So, go ahead. Sorry. So,
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just to be clear for the for the listeners at home, we've
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been talking in between some of these cliffs but this is all
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from the same speech. He has gone from a Twitter argument
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with Alex Clark to about her friend who did the thing that I
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would want her to do. Her friend got pregnant and then
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kept the baby but she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the
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first place because she shouldn't have been having sex
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which by the way, even with contraception, **** those
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things. Women shouldn't vote. Yes. This is spiraled out into
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and uh also this is speech. I'm not cutting out parts that make
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it make sense. This is the train of thought that he's on
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is these are the things that lead to abortion which you need
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to be against if you're truly against abortion. If you're
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truly against abortion, you need to be against **** You
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need women not to be in the office, not in the workplace.
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They probably shouldn't vote. Like, okay. We need to return
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to the 1950s that era uh the era in time that was famously
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good to everybody. Yeah. Wonderful time for everyone.
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Everyone. The um the thing is if you if you look at that
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train of thought, what you really start to recognize is
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how much the uh abortion has nothing to do with what he
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actually is advocating. No. He's hiding behind that mantle
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because it's something that is people will obviously get on
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board with. Trying to make the connection between uh women
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voting, having the right to vote, and being opposed to
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abortion, it's a long walk. It's a long walk. But he gets
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there in like, I mean, what is it? Sixty seconds? Give or take.
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Yeah. He's a **** an Olympian athlete. Well, I mean, in a in
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a favorable room, you know, I think I think if he tried to
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make this this make sense outside of his own uh America
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Uncancelled Rally, I don't know, I don't know how well it would
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work but yeah, I mean, this is this is what he's doing. He's
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Trojan Horsing these other uh viewpoints onto the the
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audience. I would I would say that they're probably inclined
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to be angry and hostile towards women to begin with but maybe
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they wouldn't have gone to a rally that was a women
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shouldn't vote rally but they might show up for a pro life
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rally. Yeah, I think I think that's definitely fair and it's
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um I mean, I mean, like I said, that's the whole strategy. Oh,
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here's something you agree with. Let me give you the real
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**** like and to a degree with younger audiences and
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apparently at the favor of at least one member of Congress,
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it's like resonating which is kinda terrifying because if we
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just sit here and listen to it, it's **** ridiculous, dude.
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It's it doesn't make any sense. No and I think that we're of
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the age where we lived through the tea party happening. Right.
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And I think that in a in a lot of ways, people didn't take
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that nearly seriously enough and I think uh you know, you
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saw the the the effect that it had on on political discourse,
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on on normalizing uh ideas that were prior like uh I don't know
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about this. Uh and I think that if we're not careful, this
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could be another thing that goes that direction. Like
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you're bringing up like the Michelle Malkin support uh
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Gosar uh support um it's not nothing. Yeah and like these
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brigades from Nick and his fans who call themselves the
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grippers and stuff. They have been able to like kind of give
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TP USA like uh enough pressure for them to bend on some ****.
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Mm hmm. Which is a mistake to **** begin with because once
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you put that, you know, you cannot put the toothpaste back
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in the tube after that. It's like a bully. Yeah. You you
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give in to the bully, you play the game, and guess who's back
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tomorrow? It's the bully again. Yeah. And that's what I feel
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about Alex having him on the the network even. You know,
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like, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna kick him off? Good
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luck. Yeah, I mean, geez. I mean, we'll see. It's it's a
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mess. Um but here's where it gets a little bit uh a little
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bit racist. I think. No, wait. This is this is more just about
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how women need to be uh just making babies all the time.
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Alright, let's do it. The reason why I'm against this. I
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never understood the argument myself. I was a libertarian for
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years when I was in high school and I never got it. I don't
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think most people get it because nobody makes the
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argument. Why Nick? Why can't women work in the workforce? I
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love it. Here's my favorite thing in the world when someone
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is like no one ever makes the argument so now I will. I love
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that. It's when like when Alex is like I'm gonna get down to
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it. I'm gonna prove everything. Why why does no nobody is
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talking about using your toaster in the bathtub. So I'm
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gonna do it right now. I'm gonna lay it out. I always I
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always love when someone sets the bar way too high for
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themselves and that's what Nick has done right here. Make the
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argument my man. Do you think they're incompetent? Well, yes.
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Do you think that they're not as intelligent as men? Yes. But
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that's not entirely why. That's not the only reason. I'm being a
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little tongue in cheek but it's actually serious. If we're to
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have a traditional Christian view of sexual morality then
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women should be getting married and having lots and lots of
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kids. That's just the natural course of things. If you're
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following God's word. If you're a real Christian and a real
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conservative and so if you're having all these babies who is
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going to raise those babies other than their mother. So
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yeah, he's no one makes the argument so Nick's gonna do it.
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He's gonna lay it out for you. Damn dude. I have never heard
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that one before. Thank god Nick made this argument. What a new
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idea. Damn dude. Yes. Yes. Women are things. I can't. Women
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should have children? What? God, this guy is breaking new
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ground all over the place. Did he go to church for the first
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time last week? I don't. I find I find this fascinating and I
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think you see it a lot with these types. Uh this this
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making really really old arguments that we most people
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have left in the past as if they were new novel like
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breakthroughs. They're like no one no one no one lays it out
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like me. Oh uh my religious beliefs dictate that women are
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essentially just biological machines that we use to create
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uh and take care of the next generation. Yes. Oh wow. Wow.
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Groundbreaking. Mind freak. Well, it's just I mean to go
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back to the joke I made earlier I guess it's like imagine this
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in any other context right like so we used to put asbestos uh
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in buildings and then people were getting sick so we stopped
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we realized that was not how we wanted to go forward so you
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know we moved on from it and I I just imagine somebody like
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this is the rhetorical equivalent of being like I'm
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gonna let you in on a little secret. There's something you
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can put in your walls and I swear to god no better
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insulation. They'll call you an idiot. Yeah. They'll say that
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you're gonna go to the hospital when you're older if you do
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this but they're just trying to smear you like this is the
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same **** thing. My religion dictates that you must take the
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risk of going to the hospital. Yeah, it's it's not um it's not
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convincing I would say for one um and of course it does veer
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into racism because this is Nick after all and uh of course
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it does. We have a country now where people have babies and
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what do they do? They have one or two or three kids and then
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they stop and then they send the kids to daycare and the mom's
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working and the dad's working and they have two cars and two
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car insurance and all this and they send the kids to daycare
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and the kids from the time they wake up until the time mommy
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and daddy get home from work. They're being raised by
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somebody other than their mother. They're being raised in
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many cases by people that don't care about them. Maybe people
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that hate them. You're seeing people being brought up in
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daycare and largely it's immigrants working these jobs.
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We're gonna have immigrants raise our babies because
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mothers are too busy doing what? Making spreadsheets.
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They're too busy making a schedule. This is insane. This
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is not a conservative. So, yeah, it always does have to
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come back to anti-immigrant sentiment and and coding the
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our babies and you know, it's uh it always has to come back
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to that. Also, I think this is something that needs to be said
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and that is that Nick is 22 years old and we know what he's
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been doing since he was in high school. I do not know if he's
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somebody that I would take very seriously about what it's
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like to have a career or a real job. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm
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listening to that. Two cars, a couple of kids. I'm just like,
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damn, someone figured it out. II don't know if I'll be able to
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do that with the income I've got. Right. They have two cars,
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two car insurances. Damn. What does that mean? They might
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just have one policy. Big money right here is what I'm
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saying. Uh but yeah, he not exactly the authority on the
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good old days. You know, I just imagine him flipping through
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like 1950s edition of like Highlights Magazine and being
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like, this is what they stole from us which is like, you
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know. But he has scrawled slurs in like word bubbles in every
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drawing in the Highlights Magazine. Yeah, no, it's it's
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it's ridiculous and also just this whole premise of like
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because somebody is an immigrant that they would be
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inept at caring for a child or something and especially if
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if they're in daycare, they're not in school yet. They're so
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young. They're not gonna remember **** anyway. Who like
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I mean, mild disdain is not probably going to stick around.
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Yeah, just and and people who gravitate towards child care
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careers are often people who do not hate kids. Yeah, the most
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selfless people in the world. Typically, they're now granted
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obviously there's gonna be bad people in any line of work but
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I would think that uh other people that I know who have
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gravitated towards that field, they love kids. Yeah, you don't
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do it because you get rich or you get famous. You do it
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because you care. Mm hmm. You know, for the most part,
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there's gonna be outliers in any profession but. Yeah and I
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think that I think too that just like Nick doesn't know
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what it means to have a job. He doesn't know what it means to
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have a career and therefore, he can be reductive and stupid
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about like, oh, women are just making spreadsheets so they
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can't raise their babies. Well, the thing is his audience is so
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young too. It can kinda work. Yeah, cuz they don't know
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either. Yeah, like if if Nick got in a room full of like, I'm
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thinking the TPUSA Donor Dinner of like aging Q-tips all
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assembled in circles around tables eating basil chicken or
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whatever the **** they do. Sounds like it's on the menu.
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They'd be like, they just don't, they've, so they've got
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careers, they've got families, they've got whatever but blah
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blah and I just imagine that audience being like, what's he
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talking about again? I don't, I just, I, I don't think it would
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resonate with the older crowd. No, no, because he'd be a
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sec, essentially be looking at them and being like, all you do
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is make spreadsheets and everyone who's had a career or
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done work knows that there's much more to the having a
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career, especially something that you love, something that
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you find fulfilling, something that is like a part of your
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life. The idea of depriving people of that because you and
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your religious beliefs dictate that they must have babies
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constantly is bizarre. It's unhinged. It's
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offensive and it's supremacist is what it is. It's true that
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my beliefs are so much more important than you as a person
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that they should dictate your life. Mm hmm. Yep. And it's now
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something that Alex apparently is either tacitly or explicitly
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condoning. Yeah. So we have one more clip here, but I'm just
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I'm gonna skip past it cuz it's basically just him being like,
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well, if this is sexist, then I guess I am and yeah. Yeah. I
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would agree. Yeah. Yeah. The best point he's made the whole
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speech. Yeah. So he accepts the mantle kind of um but then but
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of course, rhetorically, what he's trying to do is be like,
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this isn't sexist. This is just normal and it's not. This is uh
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this is outrageous and I I've said this before and II think
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it bears repeating. I don't think that I would spend time
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covering Nick and I'm glad that people like you do because I
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think that he's somebody that definitely people should pay
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attention to and deserves a critical eye but I don't know
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how much he fits into the the scheme of of what we cover on
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this show but he's on Alex's network doing this now. This is
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so incompatible with the message that Alex tries to sell
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his brand on that. I think it bears like looking at and being
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like really this is now this is now Info Wars. This is this is
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their their content. Yeah. I mean it's it's certainly
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interesting but it's yeah. I mean at the end of the day, I
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think they're kind of on two different tracks um and there's
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some overlap there um but when the rubber hits the road, I
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just, yeah, it is kinda hard to to wrap your head around a bit.
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I think that they are fortunate that the rubber has not hit the
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road and I imagine when it does, they will turn on each
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other incredibly aggressively. I hope so. That would be is
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somebody who has had to spend countless hours of my life both
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paying attention to Alex and Nick watching them eat each
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other alive would be immensely personally entertaining to me. I
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think there would be some schadenfreude for sure. Um I
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would worry about how it could have the uh like it could uh
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accelerate things for some of their followers. Yeah. If one
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wins the other's audience, it's that's a bad thing. Yeah. Um
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but yeah, it would be it would be interesting to see them take
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pot shots especially because like a lot of the stuff like
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that uh that Nick uses as ammunition against people that
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he goes after are all the criticisms that people in the
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right wing have had of Alex. They've all constantly said
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that he's a shill for Israel. They say that he works for
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Mossad. All of this is a tradition that that uh uh Nick
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could pull from and just go to town against Alex. Well, it's
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something that Nick does for like everybody else. Mm hmm. Um
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and it almost feels like he's pulling a punch with Alex.
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Yeah. I mean, just take me for example, Nick **** hates me,
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right? Because I was one of the first people that started
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writing about him and now when people have questions about
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Nick, people call me and I'm like, yeah, this guy's **** and
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hold on. Let me just send you a word document. You off and on
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the record. He sucks. You you check all this **** out and you
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tell me what you think of him. Um here's what I think but I
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you know, it's pretty obvious what he's doing. Like I said,
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it is veiled with a Kleenex. Um you can see straight through
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it but so he doesn't like me. So, when I was at Right Wing
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Watch, um I was the sorrow shill. You know, I was working
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in Jewish interest in some. Oh yeah. And um now I work at TFR
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Lab which is connected to the Atlantic Councils. Now, I work
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for NATO and now I'm CIA and what is the CIA but an extension
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of Mossad and like it's it's just he always takes it back to
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like having some problem with Jews. Yeah. Yeah. It it it's a
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very constant refrain on his part and uh uh uh expect some
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of that in the future, Alex. Yeah. Uh well, Jared, thank you
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for joining. Uh I'm sorry to have subjected you to this.
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This uh is not fun. Uh listening to Nick Fuent as ever
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is really not a pleasant thing to do. Not a great use of an
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afternoon but I appreciate uh you joining. Oh, it's been a
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pleasure. It's it's nice to be in Knowledge Fight HQ. HQ.
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Yeah. As you can see, I'm sending out buttons to the
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listeners and that's uh that's the return address. Knowledge
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Fight HQ. Oh, nice. KF HQ. Um it's it's a treat. Uh like I
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told you when we went out the other night and uh uh met up
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for the first time, you're somebody who's been really
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supportive uh over the course of the time that we've done the
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show and I really appreciate that and uh thank you. Oh,
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absolutely. I mean, what you guys have been doing here for
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so long is important and you guys understand like a lot of
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media especially national media will maybe go to Info Wars or
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go to Alex and cover like an angle of it like the tech
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platforming or an angle of it of like this is this particular
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crazy thing he said. Um but there aren't a whole lot of
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people just really like sitting with it and like watching the
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show consistently and really getting a feel for like the
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Info Wars cast of characters and like sort of how the show
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works. Mm hmm. Um I can tell you why that is. Yeah. And I
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think you know why cuz you used to do that a lot. Yeah. No, I
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mean, it sucks. It sucks. It's a bad show. It's not a fun job.
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Um but it's it's unfortunately important. Um in an ideal
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world, uh you know, maybe knowledge fight wouldn't have
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to exist but for now, I'm really glad that it does. Well,
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thank you. I appreciate that and I'm glad that uh you're
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doing the work you're doing as well. Um where can people uh
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follow you and find some of uh your analysis and uh what have
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you? I know you're just on reliable sources. Oh god. Yeah.
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Um you can follow me on. You're gonna. Alex might talk about
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you. Oh, I hope so. It's really. He might do a segment
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on you. He hates Stelter. Oh yeah. It's it's I mean it it's
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always a pleasure to be in the company of such a uh uh widely
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revered potato. The most popular vegetable in the United
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States. Um no, Brian's a good guy. I don't wanna roast him
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too bad. Um Anyway, you can keep up with me at uh Jared L.
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Holt on Twitter. Uh don't follow me on anything else
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cuz I'm private on everything else. I've got a podcast on my
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own. Shit post. Called Shit Post. With an exclamation point,
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right? Yeah, it's SH exclamation point T PTOST. Because people
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on iTunes won't let you swear. Yeah, I I typed it. I typed it
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in originally and I was like, oh no, I can't. Oh, what am I
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gonna do? And then I put in the exclamation point and now I
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have to spend 30 seconds explaining to people how to
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find the show. I think in the description of an episode once
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I put a swear word and I saw that it automatically edited.
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It's like, wow, this is tech censorship, man. No cussing.
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Canceled. Yeah, that's that's what we need to talk about.
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**** Nick Fuentes getting kicked off whatever. This is
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America. If I wanna say, you know, **** in the description
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of my iTunes podcast, I should be able to do that. I shouldn't
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have to use dollar signs. Where are you, Ted Cruz? Uh huh.
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Where is Ted Cruz on Free the nipple?
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Anyway, we'll be back. Jordan is gonna be back from vacation
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and so we will have an episode out on Wednesday where we'll
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check in with Alex but again, Jared, thank you so much for
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joining. Oh, thanks. Uh I guess at the end of this, I'm
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supposed to say that I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm
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Daryl Rundis. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for
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holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge
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fan. I love your work. I love you.
