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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys in knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight, I need, I need money.

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy, stop it, Andy and, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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Knowledgefight, N-N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com, I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little

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bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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Yep.

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today is something that I did not know existed and has come into my life

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and I'm pretty excited about, and that is hot honey.

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I had no idea.

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No, refuse.

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I was at the store.

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Oh, what's the point?

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It's hot.

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I don't understand!

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I was at the store, and I saw it on the shelf, and I thought, what the fuck is this?

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I'd never heard of it before.

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It is honey that's infused with chilis, and so it's spicy, it's so good.

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It is so good, because it's like honey, it goes on things, it has that honey-ness to

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it, but then also the heat.

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It's great.

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It is fantastic.

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You can add honey to things, mustard, you can add honey to it, you can't have mustard

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honey.

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Uh-uh.

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No.

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Honey is honey, my friend.

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Honey is honey.

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I'll be right back.

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I have strong rules, I have strong opinions about whether or not-

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I don't know, man, I think you might come around if you try a little bit of that.

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Alright, I probably will.

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I really enjoy that.

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It sounds incredible.

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It's so good.

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Yeah, I believe it.

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And, you know, I've only had it on a bagel or two so far, but there's so many things

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I want to explore putting it on.

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Celine!

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Celine, run!

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Run, Celine!

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Get out while you can!

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Meow.

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Meow.

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Come here.

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Come here.

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Gotta put some honey on you.

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What about you?

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What's your bright spot?

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Celine, my bright spot is also food related.

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But okay, now this is going to seem simple, but have you ever had a really good pear,

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Dan?

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Yeah, I love pears.

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Pears are the best, but pears have the shortest period, the shortest window of perfection.

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True.

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That is true.

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They turn pretty quick.

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You're always either eating a hard pear or you've waited too long and it's mush.

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And yesterday I ate a pear at like the precise five minute window where it was perfect.

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What kind of pear do you like?

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Do you like an Anjou?

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I like an Anjou pear.

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Do you like a Bosc?

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I'm not a Bosc pear guy.

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Is that even a kind of pear?

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I like it green.

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I like it real green.

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I don't like the brown pears.

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Nuh-uh.

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Don't get me into that.

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I realized as I started to talk, I don't know other kinds of pears.

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I don't even think Bosc is one of them.

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No, Boscayot was a pear.

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That's...

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Yeah, I don't know pears.

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Yeah, no.

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I do love them though.

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Incredible.

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Yeah, and I always got a little bit of shade when I was younger, which I'm a little bit...

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Shade?

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Well, I'm a little bit peeved about this.

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Sure.

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I'm still actually a little bitter, a little raw, and I got to air my grievances.

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Unlike pears.

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My dad is a huge fan of Jelly Bellies.

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And so the Jelly Bellies were often in the house, jelly beans with all kinds of flavors.

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And of course, as you're a kid, people like the toasted marshmallow.

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That's the kind of thing that people like.

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They like all these candy kind of flavors.

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My favorite was the juicy pear.

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The juicy pear.

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It was the best.

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I thought it was really good, and I took a lot of shit for it.

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You took a lot of shit.

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Took a lot of shit.

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A lot of shit.

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To the point where I'm 36 years old.

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It's been a long time for you to be remembering the Jelly Belly incident of 1994.

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Ugh, dad likes pears.

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Left some deep wounds.

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Um, yeah, those pears are great.

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Yeah, pears are amazing.

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So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over, a little bit different

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than normal, and we'll get into why here in a second, but before we do, let's take a little

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moment to say thank you to the folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, you're going to love this one.

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I pooed it on Scalia's pillow.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, American hero.

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Next, Dan F. Great name, I know.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Dan.

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Next, Lingle Bingle.

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Not a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Lingle Bingle.

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Thank you.

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Next, BB Star Stuff.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, BB Star Stuff.

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Just two B's.

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Just two B's?

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Not the Better Business Bureau Star Stuff.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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Sorry.

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Next, Zilla.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Zilla.

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Thank you.

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Next, Amara.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you Amara.

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Thank you, and City Bird.

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Thank you so much.

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And then finally, I got a special shout-out, a technocrat shout-out I'm gonna give out

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to someone, this is a very special shout-out, Laura's baby needs to arrive now so she can

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take maternity leave already!

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Wait, hold on, I'm getting an update on this.

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Hold on, I think we got that email just an hour ago, is there anything new coming up?

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It turns out we have an update, congrats Laura on your baby policy wonk!

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I'm a policy wonk!

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Crikey mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew!

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How's your 401k doing bro?

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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this Watson, alright?

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Let's just get down to business, we ain't making that money off that heroin, why you

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pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large, I declare info war on you!

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Congratulations Laura and baby policy wonk!

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Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.

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And Matt for no reason at all.

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Exactly.

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But also, thank you.

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Thank you very much Matt.

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So, before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to make a little bit of a correction

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about our last episode.

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Sure.

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When I spoke, when I was talking about Stefan Molyneux giving that speech, I had said that

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that was in New Zealand, and I kind of fucked that up, I conflated two things in my head,

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that was actually in Melbourne, Australia, that he gave that speech.

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And the reason that I got it mixed up was because when they went on this tour they had

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intended to speak in New Zealand, and New Zealand said, fuck no.

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Right, right, right.

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And that was what I had mixed up in my head, and I apologize, I got that a little bit.

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Yeah, it would be, yeah, that's a nice little bit of context to add to that, yeah, sure.

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So that was in Australia.

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Yeah.

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Good on you New Zealand, tell Stefan Molyneux to go fuck himself as much as you like.

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So Jordan, today, I felt like it had been a while since we checked in with present day

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Alex Jones, and honestly, I was getting pretty happy to have had that break from his uninspired

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ass broadcasting.

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It's been nice.

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I was actually kind of excited though, to get back into the mud and see what his dumb

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ass was up to, but wouldn't you know it, I checked back in, and Owen Troyer has been

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hosting Alex's show all this week, so there's no new episodes of Alex's stuff to go over.

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Wow.

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As it turns out, Alex has taken off for another workcation, this time heading up to Florida

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to cover what he calls a mask rebellion that's taking place at a grocery store in the city

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of Naples.

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Okay.

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The store is called Oak's Farm Seed to Table, and Alex may or may not be broadcasting many

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special reports from live inside the store.

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Here is a little clip.

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As the state is so frickin' awesome.

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Florida is awesome!

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Yeah, Florida!

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And Seed to Table, the great Oak Farms, give it up for all the great crew here, folks.

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Yeah!

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Everybody's shopping in this place.

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It's awesome.

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You can hear about like two people climbing in the background.

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It's sad.

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Yeah.

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That's a long drop.

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That's a long drop for Alex Jones.

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Oh yeah.

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I see you guys in southern Illinois at the American Legion where they're holding a mask

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drive for no one.

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Now if I play my cards right, I might be able to go to a car dealership opening and record

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live.

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Alright, wow.

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Oh boy.

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So the situation with this grocery store is actually kind of funny.

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It's actually not in the city of Naples, technically, and if it were, it would not have a mask mandate

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because the Naples city council decided against imposing one, preferring instead to just make

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it a thing they strongly recommend.

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However, this store is in North Naples, which is about five miles north of city limits,

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and is subject to the jurisdiction of the county, in this case Collier County, who do

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have a mask mandate in place.

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As such, the store's owner, Alfie Oakes, has been waging a protracted campaign against

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masks since he feels like this COVID-19 stuff is a hoax.

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Sure.

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I poked around this story a bit, and honestly, it's kind of cookie cutter.

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It's a Republican business owner making a mini-celebrity of himself in the anti-mask

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game, and there's not much more to it.

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Everything is about what you'd expect, all the way down to him calling George Floyd a

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quote disgraceful career criminal after he was killed, and saying that Black Lives Matter

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is a hoax.

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Alright.

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That led to the Lee's County school district severing their contract with him, which prompted

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Oakes to sue the school district for $50 million, claiming as all bigots do, that their free

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speech had been violated.

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Oh yes, of course.

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I don't know what his contract with the school district said, but if they had a clause in

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there about being able to terminate the contract for cause, I don't think this is a free speech

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issue.

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In fact, I would assume that since he's a staunch conservative, Alfie should be in favor

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of the school district being able to practice free association.

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Rules for others and not for me!

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They shouldn't be forced to retain business ties with someone they're opposed to being

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connected to?

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Rules for others and not for me!

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Anyway, I don't particularly care about Alfie Oakes, nor do I care too much about Alex's

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very transparent attempt to vampirically feast on the attention Oakes is getting at the moment.

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If Alex had done, like, a whole show from the grocery store, then you might be dealing

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with an excited Dan.

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But as it stands, this is just too little to get worked up about.

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It's really funny to imagine, though, going into a Whole Foods or a Jewel and just trying

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to get some produce and you hear a guy yelling about the UN trying to kill the children while

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you're shopping.

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Yeah, I can't get the image out of my head of Alex and Owen on Supermarket Sweep together,

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and boy, that'd be great.

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Get the turkey!

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Grind the beans, Owen!

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Fill it up with the meats!

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Get the beans!

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I don't feel like that would elevate my customer experience if Alex is broadcasting live.

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Probably not.

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Probably not.

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So I set out to find an episode to make for the good people out there to enjoy, and as

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luck would have it, while Alex has been in Florida, he paid a visit to a podcast in Miami

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called Flagrant 2.

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I watched this, thinking maybe it would be good to cover, and it's just embarrassing.

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Is that a basketball podcast?

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No, that's the Flagrant Ones.

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That is a real podcast, the Flagrant Ones.

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The guys from Hollywood Handbook and Carl Tarr.

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Oh, okay.

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They do a podcast called the Flagrant Ones.

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Yeah, well, Flagrant 2 is the...

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No, because they're talking about this being like flagrantly free speech, offensive, talking...

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It's comics talking!

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Oh my god.

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It's comics talking, man.

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Get out of here.

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It's flagrant.

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You're not funny if you're doing that.

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I watched it, thinking maybe it would be good, like I said, but I got nothing.

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Alex is so fucked up that it's not even fun.

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The guy who's throwing hatchets on Christmas Eve at his own cameras in his own studio is

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fun.

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The guy who's trying, he's just trashed annoying Rob Do about the ways to learn and a crystal

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skull covered in semen is fun.

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Hilarious.

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This is not fun.

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It's sad.

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There was a moment in the interview that Alex did a while back with Logan Paul where one

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of Logan's friends commented to Alex that he had a quote heavy pour when he was getting

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another glass of booze.

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The tone wasn't like, hey, cool pour, man.

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It had a touch of concern in it, like telling Alex to slow down.

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This interview has the opposite vibe, where the hosts are laughing their asses off and

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just celebrating how basically incoherent Alex is becoming.

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Alex lies to the host's face about things like Sandy Hook and his position on reparations,

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illustrating that these hosts do absolutely no show prep before interviewing propagandists.

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At the end of the thing, one of the hosts has a list of questions for Alex, like, was

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9-11 a part-time job, which should give you some sense of the value and comedic merit

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of this show.

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The interview was so bad that I don't even think that it rises to the level of deserving

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criticism.

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Like the only thing that I heard in it that I thought was interesting was Alex really

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drunk trying to explain why we need to cut off all foreign aid.

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Okay.

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I'm like, wait, hold on.

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Now we're back on all foreign aid now?

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What did this happen?

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Yeah.

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Well, Ron Paul still lives in his drunken soul.

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Yeah, right?

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There's also a very, very just depressing stretch where Alex is really drunk and he

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tries to call Rogan a few times.

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He's like, let's get Rogan on the phone.

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And Joe doesn't answer.

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It's such a mess.

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It's not worthwhile as an episode.

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Brutal.

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So I was trying to figure out like, what are we going to do?

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And then I remember, oh, that's right.

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There's another motherfucker I've been meaning to talk about.

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Oh shit.

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I haven't gotten a chance very often.

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That motherfucker is named Harrison Smith.

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Oh no, we're doing white nationalist happy hour with Harrison Smith in the mornings?

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Host of the American journal.

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Oh boy.

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Harrison Smith.

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He had caught my eye a while back because of, first of all, his gleeful, the Patriots

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have taken over the Capitol.

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We won guys.

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We did it.

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And then also just listening to some of his shows, they'll be like, this is pretty overt

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shit man.

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Yeah.

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This is pretty, this is pretty a biggity.

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And so I decided I'm going to get back in, see what he's been up to.

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I didn't think that this was a possibility for a while cause he's been gone.

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He just had a paternity leave.

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Oh, he just had a baby.

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Congratulations Harrison.

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And he's been gone.

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So Rob Dew had been hosting and Tom Papert had been hosting and boy, no good.

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But now Harrison's back.

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Do white nationalists have to scream like, take that great replacement every time they

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have a kid?

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Probably.

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In the living room, whenever the kid comes out, they're like, it's breaching.

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They have to be like, take that great replacement theory.

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At very least they make a little fun jokes with their partners.

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Won't replace this one.

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All right.

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Hey, here we go.

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You don't love me anymore.

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Okay.

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Um, so we, uh, there's one particular reason that I decided to actually look at this particular

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episode just March 10th and it turns out I fucked up.

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So we're actually going to have to listen to another thing, but here is the beginning

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of March 10th, still got some good fucking music.

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, you're watching American general info wars.com band.video.

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What a day full of news I have for you today.

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And at the end of this program at around 10 30 central standard time, Alex Jones will

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be taking over the broadcast from his outpost in the state of Florida, a grocery store.

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Very excited to bring a lot of information to you to take your calls as well.

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And we do have a new sale at info war store.com.

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I'll give you that information very shortly, but first let us begin as we always do with

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our daily dispatch.

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Roll the stinger, please.

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What he's got sound effects.

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Wow.

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We're doing got a fax machine getting in the headlights.

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All right.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So this is directed by Quentin Tarantino and there's a fax machine.

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That's all I know.

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William Fear bringing us in the king of the pan flute.

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Still love it.

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I don't care if that's the, if that's like intro music for like the beginning of the

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show.

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It's mellow as hell.

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I think I pointed this out after our last time we talked about him, but I still enjoy

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it.

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Yeah, no, it's great.

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But, uh, you know, isn't that the song that bill dies to and kill bill volume two or something?

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So it's in kill bill, kill bill at least.

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And that's why he knows the song.

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Well, of course.

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But, um, the thing I think is really interesting is like that, like beep, beep, beep, beep,

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beep.

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The thing is like, okay, you're, you're showing the barest bones, uh, attempt at craft.

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Yeah.

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And that's interesting because no one else really tries that is fair.

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And then he just goes on to like read off headlines and I don't really share.

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It's a very boring segment.

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So, um, he, uh, at the beginning of this episode, he has a quite a pronouncement in today's

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program.

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I'll be laying out what I think is a rather convincing argument for the fact that we are

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rapidly racing towards a conflict that I would call world war three, the battle lines are

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being drawn.

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And we're seeing a lot of posturing that portends great devastation in our future has to do

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with China, Iran, and the Western powers aligning themselves against, uh, those, those bad countries.

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We're the good guys.

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The new development that is also a Harrison clearly hasn't gotten the memo according to

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his anti communist buddies like Alex, world war three already happened.

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The cold war was world war three and some even think that the Iraq war is turned into

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world war four.

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So if there's another one coming, Harrison should be calling it world war five.

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I thought we were still fighting world war two since Nazis still seem to be the bad guys

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in this case.

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I think that him using world war three sounds a lot more exciting.

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So I merely understand why Harrison would just go ahead and stick with that branding

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scaremongering.

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So not only does Alfie Oaks think that, uh, you know, George Floyd, you know, was a criminal

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and blah, blah, blah, Harrison has some thoughts.

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Meanwhile the election of, or the, uh, uh, trial rather of George Floyd continues to

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move forward and, uh, more revelations are being made, uh, releasing of the autopsy report

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has revealed massive amounts of drugs in his system and as they say, no injuries that would

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lead to death.

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In other words, Jeffrey Epstein may not have killed himself, but it looks like George Floyd

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did.

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This is nonsense.

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There aren't revelations coming out about the case at this point because the trial was

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still in the jury selection phase.

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The coroner's report and autopsy information that the public has access to is the exact

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same information we've had for like six months and it doesn't show what Harrison is claiming.

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He's pretending that there's a new piece of information that's come out that verifies

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his preexisting talking points because he knows that no one in the audience demands

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better and they already believe that George Floyd's death is no big deal.

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The Washington Post had an article about the upcoming trial on March 10th and here's what

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they had to say, quote, when Chauvin's trial for his alleged role in Floyd's tragic death

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begins, much of the argument will center instead on the autopsy details, most specifically

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whether fentanyl and underlying health conditions, not the police officer's actions, stopped

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Floyd's heart and lungs.

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Seven experts in toxicology, cardiology, and illegal drug use consulted by the Washington

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Post largely disagreed with that idea, most of them strenuously.

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All but one said the autopsy findings and other court documents coupled with the well-known

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chain of events that evening made death by fentanyl overdose unlikely to impossible.

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And the other one was just Rudy Giuliani wearing a doctor's coat, right?

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Experts who have weighed in on the matter are pretty clear that what happened to Floyd

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doesn't resemble what happens in cases of opiate overdose, which is why no one on the

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scene administered naloxone, which they did have it.

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They had the drug that would be used in the case of an opiate.

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They have to.

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Yeah.

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The overwhelming consensus is that though there were drugs in his system, drugs were

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not the cause of George Floyd's death.

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As the WAPO article points out, this defense is one that police use all the time when they

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kill people.

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Abuse all the time.

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Yeah, it's what they did in the case of the Rodney King beating, when it was alleged that

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King was on PCP, and that made him such a threat that it justified the police's actions.

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Totally.

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This is just something that they do, and this is Harrison Smith essentially just, you know,

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taking defense arguments uncritically, and then also toeing the line for just sort of

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like exactly what cops say all the time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's weird how people are trying to litigate this, like the NFL tries to litigate what

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a catch is, you know, like, oh, you got to get all the way, and you have to take one

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step forward for it to be a catch, and you have to make a football move, whatever the

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fuck it is, you know, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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George Floyd is dead because of Derek Chauvin and his buddies.

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The end.

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There's no, there's no, you can talk about how much, you know, it's like, did he murder

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him?

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Premeditated.

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Did he do all that stuff?

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But no, he was dead because of those guys.

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The end.

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And it appears that even if there were some sort of a, like, I'm not saying this is the

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case, but if there, like this argument that is being made by Harrison were even true,

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then you still have negligent homicide on the part of these cops who would have had

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a responsibility to address the medical condition that was supposedly happening.

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Cops are supposed to keep people alive now?

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That's their job, Dan.

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Protecting and serving?

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I don't understand those words at all when applied to cops.

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Cool.

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So this show starts out a little bit slow.

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I know Harrison has declared that World War III is upon us, and I gotta be honest, I didn't

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make it to him explaining that if he did, because I got sidetracked.

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Honestly, on Info Wars, World War III is a slow news day.

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Yeah.

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And this is, this is just like, there's like scattershot headlines until he goes to calls.

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And here's another one of these, these little petty complaints he has.

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This one's about Biden not giving enough press conferences.

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Oh no.

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You can only imagine if President Trump had dared to go 50 days without taking questions

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from the press.

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Can you imagine that?

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I mean, they'd be impeaching him already for this.

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In February 2020, it was reported that it had been over 300 days since Trump had had

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a formal press briefing.

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So Harrison can go ahead and shove that stupid tone of his up his own ass.

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Yeah, I was going to say, go fuck yourself.

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Yeah, to make matters worse, ABC News reported in September 2019 that not only had Trump

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not done these press conferences, but it had been, quote, six months since a White House

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press secretary last came to the podium in a briefing room to field questions from reporters.

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Yeah, and if Biden had done that, that, wait, what?

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I do think that Biden should face criticism for not having press conferences enough or

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yet, since I think it would, you know, it's a helpful piece of moving forward.

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And I directed the same criticism at Trump when he was doing the same thing, because

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I think the transparency and availability to the public is a good thing to encourage

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in our leadership.

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Harrison and Infowars don't really have any underlying beliefs.

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They just attack their predetermined enemies and glorify whoever they like at the moment,

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regardless if they're doing the same things.

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They'll pretend that their hero didn't actually do what the villain is now doing.

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But worse, not long ago, because if they did acknowledge that, they'd have to explain why

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it wasn't a big deal for them when Trump did the same thing that they're so upset Biden

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is doing now.

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And that would unravel the game.

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It would really make things difficult if you had to have sort of like a consistent position

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throughout your whole.

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That would really fuck up the game.

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Yeah, it would be tough.

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Yeah, they'd be out of business.

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You know what, maybe, maybe there's something to this not having press conferences.

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Right.

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Perhaps again, we can take another lesson from this, which is this is maybe what Trump

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should have done.

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Maybe they just cut off the press and you just do whatever the hell you want without

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taking questions, without accepting criticism.

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Harrison, you're in luck.

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Harrison, I have got great news for you.

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I've got great news.

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You can get rid of the maybe you can get rid of the what if this is so dumb.

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You are talking about a thing a man has done recently.

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And if I recall, your network celebrated extensively.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Trump is out of office.

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But there's someone else who's in office that I think that Infowars is warming up to quite

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a bit.

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And that person is Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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And with that, I'd like to go to another video here.

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It's Marjorie Taylor Greene talking on the floor of the Congress yesterday talking about

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House Resolution 8 and House Resolution 1446 gun control legislation.

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So it's really cool to see them warming up to Marjorie Taylor Greene definitely wouldn't

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have suspected that was the inevitable destination of the path that begins with hero worshipping

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Ron Paul.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, HR 8 is about expanding background checks for people purchasing guns.

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The other bill they're talking about is meant to close what's known as the Charleston loophole,

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named after the 2015 shooting because it was how Dylan Roof was able to purchase the guns

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that he used to kill nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

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He shouldn't have been able to pass a gun background check, but he did because of this

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loophole.

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See, when you go to buy a gun, your name is run through the National Instant Criminal

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Background Check System, which should provide a yes or no result within minutes.

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However, in some cases, the automated system runs into complications and can't make a determination.

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In these cases, the FBI who run the system have three days to provide a yes or no to

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the gun seller.

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And if they fail to give a determination in that time, the seller gets to decide if they

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sell the guns or not.

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And you better believe they almost always do, because they're selling guns.

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Yeah, I do appreciate that guns operate under the same laws as pumpkins that turn into carriages.

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Yeah.

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This bill that Harrison's complaining about would change that window from three days to

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ten days to hopefully provide more oversight that would stop things like future Dylan Roofs

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having easy access to guns.

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Consider this stat from a report put out by the Center for American Progress, quote, in

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2018, 4,240 background checks were denied nationwide after the three-day investigation

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period elapsed.

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In at least 3,960 of those cases, a gun was sold to the prohibited buyer at the discretion

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of the dealer, requiring officers from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and

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Explosives to attempt to retrieve these guns from individuals with a potentially dangerous

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criminal history.

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This loophole results in tons of people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns getting

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guns, which poses a bit of a threat and also creates a ton of work and expense for the

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ATF to try and correct the mistakes caused by a clearly too short window of time being

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given for these background check systems to provide an answer.

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I am really confused as to what situations require a gun so fast that we cannot wait

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for the FBI to give a determination.

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I mean, three days or ten days or a year, what do you need a gun for now?

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If someone's barging into your house, you need a gun immediately, perhaps.

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The background check delay isn't going to help you one way or another whether it exists

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or not.

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It doesn't seem like it.

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No.

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And if you miss out on hunting season this year, I feel like that's your fault.

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You should have gone two weeks earlier.

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You could have gone two weeks earlier.

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Not a problem.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I think that both of these bills are completely sensible, so it's great to see Harrison try

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to attack them by not discussing the bills in detail at all and relying on a video of

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a QAnon weirdo in Congress to make his argument for him.

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This is just pathetic.

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It's all you need to do.

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This is outrageously dumb.

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I'm going to go to a recording I made of Marjorie Taylor Greene's remarks on the house floor.

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She made a bit of a better argument than that.

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Did she?

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I think so.

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Um, Harrison, uh, is, uh, wanting to go to calls, but there's not enough calls.

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And I would suspect that this is because Rob Doo fucked up his show.

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I need this phone line full.

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We got empty spaces here.

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I'm not used to seeing this.

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I was hosting American Journal for a little over a month.

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Full phone lines the whole time.

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I go away for two weeks.

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Take care of my new baby boy.

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Come back.

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Nobody's calling in.

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This is unacceptable, folks.

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I need your help.

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I can't do this show by myself.

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I need the info warriors calling in.

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I suspect what we're going to learn about some of these callers, I have a very strong

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theory about why calls might have dropped out whenever Harrison left and was on vacation.

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Because Rob Doo was like, no Nazis, please.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That was, that was, that sounds right.

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I have a hunch.

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That sounds right.

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Yeah.

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Excuse me.

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Could you please get rid of everybody who says code words for Jew?

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I'm going to have to hang up.

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The phone lines are empty.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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What happened?

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Yup.

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So we get to this first caller and I just think he's weird.

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I think this is a weird dude.

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And with that, we will go to our first call.

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We have Andy in California wants to talk about the upcoming Passover.

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Thanks for calling in Andy.

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You're on the air.

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Uh, hi.

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Can you hear me?

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All right.

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I can hear you fine.

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Thanks for calling in.

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All right.

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Thank you for having the show.

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Um, yeah, this year I noticed that the Easter and Passover on the same day, April 4th, interesting.

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No, it's not.

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Yeah.

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No, it's not.

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Harrison.

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When you look at the book of Deuteronomy chapter 38, it talks about the blessing of God will

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give you if you follow his ways and the second half of the chapter is, uh, all of the curses

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that'll happen if you go after straight gods.

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Right.

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Right.

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And, uh, sounds like a real shitty God to me, this star being, uh, not anything really

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to do with God's law, uh, a Phoenician fertility goddess.

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It's just kind of like slapped my face like, wow, maybe this is one of our chances to maybe

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get it right.

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Uh, before it gets any worse, because if you look at everything you guys talk about and

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what we're looking at in the world today, uh, it fits those curses, uh, I mean, perfectly,

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and it's not, uh, satanic organization or whatnot that are doing it.

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It's it's, well, I mean, they might have a chain in it, but God definitely allows it

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to happen.

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So in case you want to learn something, uh, or Harrison, if you're listening, Easter and

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Passover are both religious observances that don't involve specific dates on our calendars.

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Christmas, for instance, like that's always observed on December 25th, because it's tied

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to our calendar.

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Easter and Passover, however, are both observed based on the lunar calendar, which results

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in the holidays lining up with different dates every year, according to our Gregorian calendar.

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Easter is always the first Sunday after the first full moon of spring and last you're

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following the Eastern Orthodox tradition, which is an issue that's too complicated to

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get into, because Harrison and this caller aren't even touching on that aspect of things.

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Ah, I want to get into it now, because I've had a lot to, I've been quarreling with the

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Eastern Orthodox about this for a long time, Dale.

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Well, I'm going to leave you to that.

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Passover is based on the Hebrew calendar, which in turn is lunar-based, and begins in

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the middle of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts a week.

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Typically, because of how these dates are determined, they'll end up being very close

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to each other, and very often, Easter does fall within the week of Passover.

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This year, Easter is on the last day of Passover, April 4th, which I guess this caller thinks

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means something nefarious, I don't know.

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It's very interesting, according to Harrison Smith.

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This is Blood Moons all over again.

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Yeah, it's 100% Blood Moons racist shit, what are we doing?

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The more important aspect of this caller, I think, is how much he's internalized the

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underlying message of a lot of Alex's rhetoric.

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There are demons out there, sure, but the curses that are plaguing everyone are the

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result of God letting this stuff happen, because you aren't good enough for him to protect.

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This is the messaging of cults, and it's very present in Alex's content, with his regular

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outbursts about how the world deserves to burn for things like allowing abortions.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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Yep, yep, if all of us don't act in perfect accord, well, all of us will be killed.

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Look, God's going to lift his protection, and there you go, here come, here comes, and

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it's your fault.

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God operates under the same laws as, like, a teacher, and if you're a student who didn't

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bring enough gum for the class, well, everybody gets punished.

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Nobody gets any gum, and you all get sent to hell.

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Everybody knows that that's the way God works.

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Yeah, and conceivably, it's your fault, as an individual, because you didn't-

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Should've brought more gum to the class.

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Well, but what is bringing gum to the class a metaphor for, in this case?

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Basically setting up a religiously ordered society?

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Exactly.

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Basically setting up a theocracy?

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A theocracy, you should have overthrown the teacher, brutally deposed her and murdered

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her, and then God would have showered you with all the gum in the world, Dan.

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Yeah, it's a little bit worrying when you start to think about the ramifications of

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internalizing the blame for God's wrath.

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It is a little bit of a problem, yeah.

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Gets you into trouble.

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So, Harrison starts talking about how the pope, you know, that globalist pope?

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I've heard of the globalist pope.

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Cool pope.

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He's been in jail for well over a year.

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Yeah, according to expert sources, please.

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But, Jordan, what about that pope that I've seen going around?

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Fake pope.

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You haven't seen anybody.

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False flag pope.

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False flag pope.

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You haven't seen shit.

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Steve Porchenek arrested the pope like a year ago, but I guess the fake pope, somebody pretending

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to be the pope recently, I guess in an interview had said that climate change is possibly going

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to cause another flood.

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Those comments are what they are.

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And Christians took that very simply and calmly as him saying that there would be a regular

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flood.

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Harrison has decided that the pope is calling God a liar.

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There we go!

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I knew it!

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He also came out and said that because of climate change, we face threat of a new flood

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from God.

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Now, I don't know, maybe I was just a child.

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Maybe I misunderstood.

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But it wasn't one of the key aspects of the flood that God promised never to do it again.

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Wasn't that a promise God made, and is the pope calling God a liar?

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Yeah, so the pope's calling God a liar.

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Now we'll get into this here in a second, but something I think is really interesting

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is that Harrison starts thinking about the flood.

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Starts thinking about the flood story, and he gets a little bit weird with it.

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The original reason that God flooded the earth was sexual immorality.

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What does the pope have to say about that?

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I'm pretty sure what he has to say about that is, don't worry about it.

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It's fine.

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Come on!

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Free love, pope!

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So this is interesting to me, because the flood in the Bible happens pretty early in

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the book.

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It happens pretty fast.

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It's in Genesis chapter 6, so I decided I would go back and refresh my memory about

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the lead-up to the flood, and see if it happened because people weren't fucking the way that

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God wanted them to.

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They weren't fucking right!

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So Genesis 1 is the creation of the world, and then chapter 2 is about the making of

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Adam and Eve.

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Genesis 3 is about the fall of Adam and Eve, having eaten from the tree of knowledge, and

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in retaliation, God made snakes all slithery.

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That one was guest-written by C.S. Lewis.

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A lot of people don't know that.

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He created painful child-birthing in male-dominated relationship structures, and then he also

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turned Adam into a farmer.

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Yeah, it was really important to get the male-dominated social structures in right away, like, right

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from the jump.

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Yeah.

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First chapter, men rule everything, moving on!

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And it's gonna hurt when you give birth.

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Yeah, and it's gonna hurt!

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And it's your fault for eating that fucking apple later!

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Genesis 4 deals with Cain killing Abel, and then there's a bunch of names in a family

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tree.

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Genesis 5 is a bunch more names and how long they lived, bridging the gap from Adam all

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the way down to Noah.

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Sure.

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In Genesis 6, God gets a little bit tired of people and decides they shouldn't be living

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so long.

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In addition to that, he sees that quote, sons of God were marrying quote, daughters of humans,

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which I guess is supposed to mean that angels were breeding with humans.

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Strange that there aren't any lady angels wooing human dudes, but I'll get off my SJW

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soapbox here.

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Don't worry about it, Dan.

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Come on, now.

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Here in, uh, here's Genesis 6, verses 5 through 7.

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Quote, the Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on earth, and

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that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

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The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply

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troubled.

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So the Lord said, I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created,

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and with them the animals and the birds and the creatures that move along the ground,

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for I regret that I have made them.

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Wait, hold on, God.

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Real quick.

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Just quick question, God.

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Um, just, we're in the planning stages.

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I can see that you're reacting emotionally.

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And frankly, I think it's a little bit offensive of you to say that they're acting evil all

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the time?

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Sure.

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I mean, come on, man.

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Sure.

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Also, what did the birds do?

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Birds are just hanging out!

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Well, I mean, look, if you want to defend the birds, that's your business.

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That's what I want to do?

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I have a long-standing beef with birds.

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Okay, that's fair.

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Um, I'm not going to go to bat for them, but I am going to say that I was reading over

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this, and it struck me how weird this is, that like, you know, it's a big decision to

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create a race of humans.

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The existence of all things.

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It's very weird that God wouldn't see it coming, that he would regret doing it.

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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

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He was a young God at the time!

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We were young, he was young, everybody makes mistakes, this is teenage God.

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That seems something strange to fit into the conception of a God, is a regret over the

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creation of humans.

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Woof, man, those guys were shit!

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I fucked that one up.

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Whoops!

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Yeah.

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Whoops-a-doodle.

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Very weird.

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Yeah.

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And, by the way, even if, like, God was justified in being disappointed by humans, is extermination

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a rational solution to that problem?

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After all, it was God that created humans, so wiping them out is really just him trying

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to cover up his own mistakes?

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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

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Anyway, that brings us to Noah.

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God liked Noah because he was unlike the rest of the people.

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From Genesis 6-11, quote, Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence.

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God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted

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their ways.

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So God said to Noah, I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled

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with violence because of them.

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Twice in three verses the complaint of violence is raised in relation to God's decision to

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kill everyone off with the flood, and weirdly, sexual impropriety isn't brought up at all.

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It is odd that God would care more about violence than sexual impropriety.

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That seems so weird, Dan.

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After Noah builds the ark and saves all the animals, the flood comes and they have to

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live on that boat that's comically oversized for about a year.

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Noah is 600 years old at that point.

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When the flood ends, Noah gets off the boat and makes an altar to God, which pleases God.

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In appreciation, God says, quote, Never again will I curse the ground because of humans,

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even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood.

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And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.

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This story is fucked up, but the promise that God makes at the end of it doesn't preclude

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God from causing the kind of flooding that we would see arise from climate change.

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People aren't suggesting that we're going to end up in Waterworld or some shit, just

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that there are a lot of places that will become uninhabitable, and this will lead to mass

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displacement and likely a lot of death.

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That's completely compatible with God's promise to never again destroy all living creatures.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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David Smith is a dumbfuck religious zealot who's trying to repurpose religious stories

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to suit his extremist agenda.

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In this case, his opposition to LGBTQ rights and access to reproductive health care.

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It's a pathetic display, and honestly, it's important to recognize that this is not a

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news show.

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They aren't even really conspiracy theory shows at this point.

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Nope.

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They're extremist religious programming that's masquerading as something political or about

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conspiracy in order to make them more interesting and attractive to an audience that would reject

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them instantly if they were aware that the message they were being delivered and was

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being pushed to them was religious in nature.

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These guys on this podcast where they're all drunk, if they realized what was behind Alex's

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rhetoric and his messaging and how it was really largely a religious message, I don't

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think they would think this was as funny.

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Hey, hey guys.

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I know we've had a lot of fun, but just to remind you, the earth is only 10,000 years

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old and your sinfulness is going to get you sent to hell forever.

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Anyways, don't abort a baby.

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Hey, I know I'm three quarters of the way through this bottle of Jameson, but I should

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tell you I'm a conception of angels and demons and how very serious it is that I can see

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them demons.

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You know, when you read the biblical flood myth, you really start to think, was this

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written by a dude, because I think it might have been.

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It feels very dude written.

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It's weird to go back and read it after a long time.

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It had been quite a while since I had read the story directly from the source and it

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was like, hmm, I don't know.

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I don't know what it is about my brain, but I can pick out little things that I missed

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when I was younger.

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Like, oh, that's a weird detail.

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Yeah.

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Isn't it really kind of strange when you sit down and grapple with reality and where we

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are as a society now and you look back and you're like, so are you telling me that I

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was taught when I was a child that God just irrationally murdered everything and I'm like,

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and that's the guy I need to worship until I die.

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That part of the story is really underplayed.

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Really not important.

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I do think that there's still like some metaphorical value in terms of, you know, I don't know,

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steadfastness and faithfulness.

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Or just educational value in learning about how people explain disasters throughout history

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in an oral tradition.

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Anthropological kind of thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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But I just think, I think it would be interesting if back in my Bible study groups or Sunday

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school we'd discussed the ramifications of extermination.

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Yeah.

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And there are so many better flood myths too.

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There were actual floods.

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Everybody's got a flood myth that was around at the time.

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There were some great ones.

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The only explanation I remember is like, they're all bad.

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Yep.

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The people who died were bad.

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100%.

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100%.

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That's what they, that's what they argued.

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That's not cool.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, from the jump in the Bible, it's like, well, listen, killing everything that's evil

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is on the table, obviously.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I think that Harrison believes on some level that the motivation behind the flood

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on God's part was something to the effect of something related to LGBTQ rights.

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He might be conflating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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So he weaves that in.

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Of course he does.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think the reason that he's doing that is because he doesn't actually remember the

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flood myth one.

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Maybe not, but he does remember that the rainbow is the sign of God's covenant.

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Everybody does.

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And of course you look at the, you know, in Christian mythology, I guess you could call

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it the rainbow was the sign from God as a promise that he would never flood the earth

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again.

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So just think about this, that you have God flooding the earth because of sexual immorality.

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And then you have the symbol of this.

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The symbol of his promise to never do it again has been co-opted by alternative sexual lifestyles.

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Ooh.

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Satanic to its very core, I have to say.

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What?

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It's as interesting as Easter and Passover happening on the same day, Dan.

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Is he trying to say that people who have alternative...

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The gay stole the rainbow.

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Well, sure, but...

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That's what he's saying.

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Of course.

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But beyond that, I think what he's saying is that people who have quote unquote alternative

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lifestyles are immoral.

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Yeah.

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He is.

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He is saying that it is immoral to be a lesbian or gay.

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Anything other than straight.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's cool.

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I mean, I guess, you know, just own that position then, Harrison.

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It seems like that's what you want to say.

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Yeah.

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No, it seems like that is what you are saying.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's fucked up.

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Just come out and say that you think everybody who's not straight should be put to the sword.

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Yeah.

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You know, like your God does.

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I think Harrison might be only a little ways away from that.

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Yeah, you're probably not wrong.

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So we get another caller here, and this caller, like, I'm still reeling from this.

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Okay.

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This is a minute long.

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Okay.

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Listen to the...

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Mic down for this.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Because this is confusing.

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This is coming to Carlos in Texas.

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Thanks so much for calling in, Carlos.

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You are on the air, sir.

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Yeah.

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What's up, Harrison?

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I want to congratulate you on your newborn child.

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Thank you very much.

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You're going to...

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Yeah, no problem, man.

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You're going to raise a great info warrior.

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I've been listening since David Knight, and ever since you came out on the show, you've

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been a great addition, bro.

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They should have been had you on.

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Thank you, man.

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I appreciate that.

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Yeah, man.

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You do a great job.

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Hope you keep it up.

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Thank you.

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I want to give a huge shout out.

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Huge shout out.

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I want to give a special extra strength formula.

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Here I am sitting in a parking lot outside my university with a 5G tower beaming right

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at me, and I'm ready to go for the day, dude.

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I took these pills last night and had a great sleep.

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And I'm ready to go for the day.

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And not only that, I took some more this morning, and we're chilling, and we're ready to go

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and start the day, man.

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And that's it.

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That's all I have to say.

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Oh, that's awesome, man.

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Yeah.

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No problem.

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Peace, bro.

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Thank you very much.

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That's Dr. Jones's Natural Extra Strength Kava Chill and a beautiful plug from Carlos

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from Texas.

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The whole call, the only reason he called in at all was to plug this product.

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So wait.

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So you're saying-

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There wasn't anything else to the call.

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So this guy is just like, man, my friends and I took this Infowars product, and we were

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like, fuck yeah.

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I got a good sleep last night.

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Good call, guys.

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I got a good sleep last night.

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Yeah.

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And then I took some more, and I'm chilling.

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I'm ready to start the day.

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Ready to start the day.

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I'm on campus.

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There's a 5G tower.

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It's not getting in my way.

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Not a problem.

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Not a problem.

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I've got to call Harrison.

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I am chill.

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I'm so chill.

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I'm going to give Harrison a call.

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Let him know I love David Knight, but listen, the White Nationalist Happy Hour is so better.

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Harrison has to know how chill I am right now.

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I'm so fucking chill.

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I got to call Infowars.

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That's nuts.

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That is nuts.

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That is nuts.

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And it doesn't sound like a plant because it did sound like that guy was just a little

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bit high.

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He sounded a bit high.

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He sounded pretty damn high.

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He sounded a bit chill.

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He sounded fairly chill.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I think it could have been a plant, though.

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I think it could have because it almost felt like he was bailing when he ended the call.

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It felt like maybe there was something else, and he was like, ah, fuck it.

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Yeah, whatever.

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Why the fuck would you call into this show and just be like, hey, your product works?

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I guess to let everybody know that it gets you high, man.

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What a waste of time.

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Anyway, we get to this next caller, and actually this caller starts by talking about-

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It's like calling up your weed dealer and being like, man, this stuff did it.

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Shit's good.

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All right, that was a good call, guys.

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I'm going to get out of here.

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So this next caller, Jordan, I had got into this episode and I'd started listening to

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it because I thought that this was the episode where Harrison interviews Stuart Rhodes.

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Oh, shit.

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And so I wanted to hear that.

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And when this caller started up, he says, I want to talk about Stuart Rhodes' interview.

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So I was like, ah, shit, I got the wrong day.

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Yeah.

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However, this caller then proceeds to really freak me out.

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Okay.

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Let's go now to Scott in Florida who has a comment about our guest from yesterday,

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Stuart Rhodes, leader of the Oathkeeper, he was on for an hour or so breaking his media

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silence to talk about some of the fallout from January 6th.

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And a caller, Scott, from Florida has some comments about this.

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Thanks for calling in, Scott.

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Did you enjoy the interview or do you have some concerns about it?

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What's your take here?

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Yes.

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Good morning, Mr. Smith, and congratulations on your child, your dad, and that's such an

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awesome responsibility.

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You know, I'd like to say this, Stuart Rhodes is a hero.

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He's a hero and a patriot, a leader of the Oathkeepers.

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I pray for him and his family that this evil government does not incarcerate him.

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You know, you should have you should have a panel if you can do a show.

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I don't know if you can do this, where you could get the leaders of the Oathkeepers,

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the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, the Three Percenters, my favorite group, the John Birch

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Society.

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I haven't heard from the John Birch Society, if ever there was a group to get involved

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with the takeover of communism, the United States is a John Birch Society, sovereign

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citizens, West broke out this church.

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Look, let's be honest.

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Whoa.

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OK, so this list spiraled.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, we're we're on the edge of being like, and also let's get Lex Luthor in there.

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Bad guys from Captain Planet, like, come on, let's do the whole Legion of Doom.

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Get him in there.

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Get him in there.

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Come on, buddy.

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Let's just go for all evil everywhere.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, like, I get the idea of like, let's have a roundtable powwow with Stuart Rhodes,

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maybe someone from the Proud Boys.

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That seems like, OK, this is where your show is at now.

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You add the John Birch Society and it's like, oh, you're harkening back to your roots.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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Right, right, right, the Westboro Baptist Church.

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No, what?

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What?

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Why?

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Sovereign citizens.

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Jesus, dude.

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They don't even have a leader by rules.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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This is very weird.

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When he said the Westboro Baptist Church, that was one like my like, oh, oh, oh, what's

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going on here?

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What are we doing?

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And this caller, it was this is only the beginning of the trouble with that really was the beginning

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of the trouble.

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Oh, yes.

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Oh, boy.

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So this guy is going to put forth the theory or is the position that January 6th was the

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beginning of the Second American Revolution.

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OK.

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And I hate to mike down you twice.

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Oh, boy.

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This is fast.

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You're going to scream.

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OK.

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January 6th, 2021 is going to go on in American history is the second American beginning of

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the Second American Revolution.

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It's going to be the pinnacle of the beginning of it, because this is not over, Mr. Smith.

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The American people are being persecuted by a Zionist occupied government.

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And let me relate what that means when you've got an FBI that interrogates, threatens people

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like you were saying yesterday, because they don't like their opinions.

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They don't like their thought processes.

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This smacks of a Zionist occupied government.

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What I mean by that, I want to be vague.

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I'm talking specifically about a government that is controlled by APAC, American Israel

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Public Affairs Committee, a Federal Reserve that is the Rothschild bank, just mentioned

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a moment ago, Linda Rothschild.

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That doesn't surprise me talking about a capitalist world order.

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International Jewry is at stake here, is involved here.

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And I know what you said with me last time.

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Well, let's stop.

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It's not just I'm not talking about average Jews.

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I'm talking about international Jews.

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Oh, boy.

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This is off the rails.

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Wow.

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I feel like I feel like when Rob Dues hosting, he knows to hang up on.

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People who say Zionist occupied government.

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I'm talking about a Zionist occupied government.

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And let me be clear on what that means, sir.

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I believe the moment you talk about a Zionist occupied government, you have been clear on

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what that means.

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Click.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Here at Infowars, our branding is supposed to be that we're against that kind of stuff.

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In order to support that kind of stuff, we have to be pretend to be against it.

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Oh, boy.

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International Jewry, my friend.

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I have never heard that in a positive way.

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Have you ever heard, like, it's national, let's celebrate the International Jewry Day.

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No.

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What was the name of that book that Ford put out during World War II?

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The International Jew?

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This is Nazi shit.

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That is straight up Nazi shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I would argue, buddy, just I mean, and look, I'm going to go out on a limb here and

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I'm going to say that he's very mad at the FBI for choosing to go after people who don't

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share his opinions now.

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I get the feeling that he was a big fan of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI.

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You know, I think he was probably a fan of the FBI murdering people who would say things

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like Black Lives Matter and the like.

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Sure.

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Or when the tide was so anti-communist and trying to root out communist sympathizers

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everywhere.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm willing to bet there would be a slightly different tone.

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Now the thing is that this dude is fucking overt.

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He doesn't give a shit.

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He's putting it all out there.

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He's talking about how it's the International Jews, not your regular everyday Jews.

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Well, because he's so comfortable, you know, floating all this stuff, he kind of makes

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clear something that we already know.

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When Mr. Jones says globalist, I know exactly what he means.

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I'm not pinning it on him.

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I'll say it.

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In my opinion, when I hear the word globalist, I think of the Rothschilds.

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I think of the Protestant family.

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I think of a cabal of international Jewry that is pushing forward this new world order,

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which I call the Jew world order.

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And I hate what's happening in America.

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He laughed at that.

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Harrison laughed at this guy saying the Jew world order.

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Harrison is straight up a Nazi.

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This is outrageous.

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Harrison's a Nazi.

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This is outrageous.

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That's a real Nazi.

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How is this happening on air?

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That is a Nazi broadcast.

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That's Nazis, that's Nazis doing Nazi shit.

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And he's giving up the game a little bit that whenever I hear Alex say globalist, I know

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what he's talking about.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if that made me, I have a weird reaction to that because part of that made

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me feel like, well, good for you, buddy.

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You understand what he's saying.

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It's nice that he at least can read between the lines.

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I don't know if many people can do that.

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I think it's bad that he can and does and believes that it's okay to do that.

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Well, the experience that I had was like thinking, no duh, but like, you know, I'm so, I'm so

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dull or numb to the fact that like that is the code, that the characterization that Alex

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uses the globalist rely so much on these archaic forms of antisemitic tropes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And like, I get that and I know that and so it doesn't surprise me.

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Although it is a little bit shocking to hear somebody just be like, come on, let's talk

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honestly.

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I know.

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It is weird.

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Yeah.

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It's really weird.

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It's strange because it does indicate that, I mean, this guy isn't the only person in

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the audience who has a cognizant sort of self-awareness that that's what he thinks Alex is talking

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about.

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Well, yeah, obviously.

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Everybody gets it.

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Everybody gets it.

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Dude.

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Why do you think we use the code word?

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So we don't sound like this.

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So we don't say it on the air.

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So we don't sound like this.

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Yeah, man.

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God damn it, dude.

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So this guy, he has some reading materials that he might want to promote to the audience

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and Harrison lets him.

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Is he a Pez dispenser?

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Your listeners are confused and frightened and want some sanity on what's going on.

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Please God, tell me what's going on.

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Read a book called The Protocols.

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There we go, he's the Pez dispenser.

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That's a fortune.

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No, it's not a fortune.

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Sure, sure.

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And you've made this point before, Scott.

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And I know you've also mentioned that if you've talked to Scott before, you've called in a

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few times.

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Yes, I am.

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By the way, I am Jewish.

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That sounds like identity politics to me.

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Great, great.

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Sure.

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I don't care.

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I really don't care.

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It does not make any of the things you're saying any better.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Nope.

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Don't care.

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Don't care.

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Wow.

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I'm kind of back by that, like, oh, these guys know each other.

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Yeah, that's real.

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That makes me even more uncomfortable, where you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, no, no, it's

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this guy.

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Of course I'm going to let him say that he hates all Jews.

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Duh.

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Of course I'm going to let him promote the protocols on my fucking show.

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You've made this point before.

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Hang up on this guy.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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You know what point he's going to make.

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Jesus Christ.

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Anyway, Harrison, not one to shy away.

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How is it that people are bitching about banning books and the protocol still isn't banned?

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Yeah.

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Dr. Seuss, far more dangerous.

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Oh, so angry.

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So Harrison doesn't really, like, push back too much on this guy.

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I am Jewish.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Let me just say, you know, it's interesting that you, you bring it up with Stuart Rhodes

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because actually one of the things I was going to mention yesterday that I didn't get to

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with Stuart Rhodes is the fact that the organizations who are actually advising the FBI on what

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to do, I mean, you know, essentially you have the FBI and you would think that they would

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be answerable only to politicians.

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They would be taking directives from civilian oversight.

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But in reality, what you see, and there's stories going back all the way to 2017, is

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that it's organizations like the ADL and the SPLC that are actually directing the FBI.

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Does that sound true to you, Harrison?

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They're calling the ADL and SPLC Jewish organizations.

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They're calling themselves that, right?

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So you have an organization that is of, you know, of a certain ideology that is not claiming

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to be for everybody.

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It's the Anti-Defamation League.

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It's a Jewish organization.

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And yet they're the ones who are directing the FBI.

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Now, there is a weird sort of disconnect in the American psyche where it's like, how do

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we not see that that's weird and wrong?

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That it's a private organization that I consider a hate group that has articles about me calling

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me an anti-semite, calling me a homophobe, calling me a racist, calling me all sorts

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of horrible things that are completely untrue and totally baseless.

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Yeah, that's a little tough.

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That's a little...

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Completely baseless.

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What did they do?

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Listen to the previous 10 minutes?

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How would they have known any of these things to claim if they had not listened to me speak

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for the previous 10 minutes?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Wowzers.

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Wow.

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When you have a caller who's insinuating that international Jewry is a cabal that's trying

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to push the Jew world order, and if anybody in the audience is afraid, they should just

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read the protocols of the elders of Zion.

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And then if you then respond with, hey, you know, the SPLC and ADL are Jewish organizations

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and they run our FBI and they're a hate group that runs our FBI, they're like, hey buddy,

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you are signing off on what this guy is saying.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You are not disagreeing with him.

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This isn't a debate.

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This isn't an airing of alternative ideas that you have.

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You guys are just both fucking out there.

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It is interesting the difference in reaction between, because I feel like now that they're

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all just letting it out, just like, hey, we're Nazis as fuck, how are you guys doing?

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I'm a Nazi, you're a Nazi, let's have a great old conversation about Nazi shit.

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I can feel my guard being lowered a little bit because I'm not like, what is this supposed

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to mean?

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In what way are they trying to hide?

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In what way are they trying to lie?

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Yeah.

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However, I have let my guard down there and put it up to fight because I would like to

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fight them.

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The moment you're just like, hey, we love being Nazis, I'm like, ah, then you're fair

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game.

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Right.

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You know?

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It's brutal.

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Ah, I hate these guys.

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It's a mess.

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Ugh.

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So Harrison does have one rebuttal that I would say he gives, and it's just to protect

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the business.

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It's just to protect the game.

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He has to disagree that globalist means international Jewish person.

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Sure, but he will admit that the ADL, the SBLC, and the FBI, as well as the government

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He'll not only admit that, he will bring that to the conversation.

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Yes, of course.

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Okay.

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And so I do disagree with you there where it's like, oh, globalist is just a code word.

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It's not.

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It's a certain thing.

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It's a very particular thing that you can subscribe to whatever religion you are, and

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it doesn't mean you subscribe to it if you're Jewish.

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So I do disagree with you on certain points.

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That's not even what that guy was saying.

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Yeah, no, that's not even close.

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He's responding to a false point in order to try and protect the Infowars use of globalist

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as a dog whistle.

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Yeah, no, you're just a Nazi, Harrison.

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Yeah, it's unfortunate for you.

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Yeah, for you, and for the existence of the rest of us.

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And it's unfortunate for him because I don't listen to his show much, and then I dip in

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and there's this.

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It's like, I think you are going to be a lot of my media diet in the future.

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Wow, just straight up Nazi shit.

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Yeah.

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God damn.

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So I got through that call and listened to a little bit more, and I just started to get

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bored.

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And I'm so overwhelmed by that call and how overt and offensive it was.

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And I'm like, nothing's going to be worse than that.

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You can't.

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I can't imagine that it would be worse than that.

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Next caller.

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And that caller had said that the Stuart Rhodes interview that I was looking for was on the

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other day.

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So I turned this episode off and went over to the Stuart Rhodes.

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You didn't wait to see if somebody called in and said the Holocaust didn't happen and

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that Jews are also responsible for all the problems in the world?

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I don't think it was a caller.

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That might have been a guest.

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That could have been Harrison.

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So I went to the interview with Stuart Rhodes because there was some news about him recently

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related to the 6th.

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Right, right, right.

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That he was a super cool dude and that everybody loves him and I never wanted any violence

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at all.

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I wanted to check in on his response to it, and I thought it was interesting that it's

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on the American Journal, but that's because Alex is deep in the grocery store.

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So here we find the introduction to Stuart's interview and Harrison has some bad ideas.

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This is also, I should say, this is from March 9th.

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Again, you have to begrudgingly admire the ability of the mainstream media and the corrupt

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establishment, their ability to manipulate the minds of the American people, especially

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when it comes to an event like January 6th, 2021.

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It was, of course, as more information is coming out, we know, essentially an inside

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job.

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The same way that 9-11 was an inside job, 1-6 was an inside job.

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Flashback to our- The Patriots have taken the Capitol.

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If anyone wants to listen to our coverage of January 6th, Harrison's tone was very different

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on that actual day.

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The Patriots have taken the Capitol.

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This is him doing the, I don't know why the SPLC thinks we're racist.

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It's a little bit, it's tough to take with a straight face, like I don't really believe

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any sincerity here.

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No, no, no, fuck Harrison.

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So he gets talking about this, the January 6th protest, and he says something that is

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categorically not true.

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What was occurring there was the largest protest, I believe, in American history, the most number

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of people ever to gather in a single place for a political movement, probably upwards

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of a million, if I had to guess.

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That's not true.

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I believe is doing a heavy lifting job in that sense.

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I believe that that was the biggest, well, yeah.

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So Stewart comes in and here's what he has to say about all these people who were talking

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a bunch of noise about how it was an insurrection.

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Sure.

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And they're going for your head, man.

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I mean, what has it been like for you?

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Well, it's been like something out of Orwell's 1984.

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It's thought crime and face crime and all the things that we've seen in the past that's

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been done to others is now being done, not just to me, but anybody else who was in DC.

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It's ridiculous.

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As you were saying earlier, there were no weapons.

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No one brought guns.

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What kind of an insurrection is that?

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You know, frankly, it's an insult to the competence of American patriots that were there to allege

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that was some planned insurrection.

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So Stewart Rhodes is coming on the show to try to get out in front of some pretty damning

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information that's just been released.

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It's related to the U.S.'s case against Thomas Caldwell, an oathkeeper who was arrested related

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to the storming of the Capitol.

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Caldwell had made a motion to reconsider his detention, and this document that was filed

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in the evening of March 8th was a response to that motion.

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There's some interesting bits in here.

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The first thing that's important to remember is that the charge this guy is facing is conspiracy

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to, quote, stop delay and hinder Congress's certification of the Electoral College vote.

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That's key, because the conspiracy wasn't to storm the building.

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The storming of the building was, quote, an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy,

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regardless of when they formed the intent to take these actions.

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The prosecution isn't claiming that anyone conspired to storm the Capitol, just that

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they conspired to make it so Congress couldn't carry out its work.

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This should scare the shit out of someone like Stewart Rhodes.

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Yeah, because he did that.

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The reason it should scare him is that this filing also reveals that the government is

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in possession of logs from a signal chat titled, quote, DC op January 6th, 21, which was previously

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undisclosed.

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Caldwell himself has not been proven to have been in that chat, but Jessica Watkins, as

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well as another unnamed person who were both oathkeepers who were arrested with Caldwell,

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were in there, as were multiple, quote, regional oathkeeper leaders from multiple states across

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the country and Stewart Rhodes.

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Who would have guessed that the people who believe that the government is surveilling

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them at all times, trying to constantly implant them with computer chips to track them, would

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have absolutely no idea that the government could actually read these fucking conversations.

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These chat logs clearly show that Stewart Rhodes was in contact with multiple people

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associated with the oathkeepers who stormed the Capitol, and also establishes fairly well

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that they were all involved in a plan to mess with the certification of the Electoral College

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votes.

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And based on the publicly available evidence, it looks like Stewart could get rolled up

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in this conspiracy charge, should the government want to pursue that.

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The full extent of the chats aren't disclosed, but Stewart did tell the group, quote, we

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have several well-equipped, quick reaction forces outside DC.

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There are many, many others from other groups who will be watching and waiting on the outside

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in case of worst case scenarios.

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Maybe these people didn't have weapons because they had a plan that involved heavily armed

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backup teams.

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Yeah, they didn't have weapons in the Capitol because we were keeping them outside of the

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Capitol to use on people who tried to escape the Capitol, dummies!

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Duh!

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Duh!

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On January 3rd, Thomas Caldwell sent a message to a three-percenter group asking, quote,

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how many people either in the militia or not, who are still supportive of our efforts to

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save the Republic, have a boat on a trailer that could handle a Potomac crossing?

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If we had someone standing by at a dock ramp, we could have our quick response team with

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the heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and ferry them across the river to our

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waiting arms.

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He then sent maps to people alleged to have been part of his response team.

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Well, that doesn't sound good.

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I wonder, and to be clear, I'm just spitballing here, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious

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at all, I'm just curious, I wonder if this dude got the idea to use the Potomac from

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listening to Alex's show.

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On the December 31st episode of Alex's show, just days before Caldwell tried to get this

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boat planned together, Alex had a caller on his show who suggested this.

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Just wanted to touch bases with you with the March on D.C., or the occupation of D.C.

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I think that you, I'm going to talk to all the Cajun Navy and all these people that did

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boat parades for the past three to four months, we need to have every single one of those

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people plug up the Potomac.

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Because you know...

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That is a genius idea, and can you get boats from a Potomac?

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Well, I can set out some Facebook posts and stuff, but they definitely need to get boats

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from a Potomac.

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No, what I'm asking you is, I don't see a lot of boats from a Potomac.

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I mean, boats can get on the Potomac, can't they?

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Yeah, well, I'm sure they can, especially like the Cajun Navy, when the hurricanes come

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in, they have to go in there and help get people out.

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I agree, well, we need to see the Cajun Navy come in and then get on the ground with us,

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but I totally agree.

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We need to see...

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Well, because I'm looking at it, if they tie up those boats, even if they try to shut down

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those bridges, and that's a free, you can get into, I mean, that's a public area, tie

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up those boats.

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If they try to shut down those bridges, just imagine the info war army crossing the country.

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And by the way, let me tell you what this is about.

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It's about global government, it's about lockdowns, it's about control.

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That's what the whole COVID hoax is about.

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Alex changes the subject there a little bit.

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It's not quite the same thing.

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This caller is talking about clogging the river with the boats, whereas Caldwell wanted

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to use them to ferry weapons, but there are some similarities in terms of what's being

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suggested.

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So clearly this caller doesn't mean that the entire river should be clogged up, but that

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these boats should tie together and block the area off so info wars types could cross

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the river in the event that the bridges were closed.

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There's thematic similarities to what Caldwell was trying to achieve, but it's probably not

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connected in any way.

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I just thought it was really interesting that it was just a couple days before.

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And maybe this is just kind of how these folks' minds work, you know, parallel thinking in

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terms of like, well, all right, we could use the river.

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Yeah, it does seem like these are plans that they cobbled together from half-remembered

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war movies.

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This sounds something like I remember from Bridge on the River Kwai.

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We're going to go into the Potomac, I guess, I don't know.

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Anyway, the point here is that Stuart Rhodes is going to have a really interesting year,

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and it also makes a whole lot more sense why he was trying to promote Jessica Watkins'

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legal defense fund after the 6th.

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Yeah, that does make sense.

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So Stuart, he has a bit of a lie here about the Signal messages that he's been sending.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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The only thing they've got is a message from me posted on our operational chat on Signal

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saying, anybody who's not on a PSD come to the northeast corner of the Capitol, that's

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where I was standing, I wanted to be there.

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And my intent was to make sure that our guys stayed out of trouble.

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This is a lie.

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On January 6th, Stuart posted in that chat, quote, all I see Trump doing is complaining.

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I see no intent by him to do anything, so the Patriots are taking it into their own

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hands.

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They've had enough.

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Later, Stuart sent a message to regroup on the south side of the Capitol, not the northeast

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side, as he's saying here on the show.

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At 2.41, Stuart posted a photo of the southeast side of the Capitol captioned, quote, south

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side of US Capitol, Patriots pounding on doors.

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By that point, multiple people in the chat had entered the US Capitol.

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Of course.

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We'll see how this shakes out and everything, but Stuart is totally full of shit here.

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It's outrageous.

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That's fucked.

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Yep.

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That is fucked.

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Now, it's interesting because Stuart has a little bit of a, eh, what are you gonna do,

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kind of defense.

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Sure.

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Here.

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What other defense do you have?

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You've been caught red-handed.

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Listen to this.

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All right.

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And let me give you something to think about while you're listening to this.

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Okay.

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He's telling the truth.

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I will do my best.

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Now, ask yourself, if he's telling the truth, is this okay?

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Okay.

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Because it's not.

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Okay.

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And we had a situation with North Carolina, sadly, our North Carolina chapter had already

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gone on a road, and it declared on a chat that I wasn't even on, they declared to other

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guys in North Carolina that in DC on January the 6th, they were not gonna have anything

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to do with National or take part in anything that National was doing, they were gonna do

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their own thing.

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And they had posted that on December 31st.

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A member took a screenshot and sent it to me.

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So there's that.

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So there's that.

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Right.

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So...

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North Carolina's gone rogue.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So, look, guys.

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It's what?

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What?

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So I built this organization entirely around right-wing violence.

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And a super strong distrust of centralization.

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Yep, yep.

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And then, strangely enough, one chapter went rogue and decided that I had no control over

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them.

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One chapter essentially declared states rights.

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Yeah!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's cool.

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That's cool.

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Yeah.

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That's cool.

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I've created these heavily armed mini-armies.

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Yeah.

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And, hey, oh, they don't want to cooperate with me.

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Oh, that's trouble.

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Yeah.

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It turns out, I accidentally created warlords.

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My bad, guys.

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My bad.

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I created roving bands of warlords.

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Really a huge mistake on my part.

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Oops.

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That would be one of the reasons why people don't like what you do.

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Yeah.

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And people have been pointing out stuff like this.

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Oh, okay.

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So you guys were talking about the warlord problem.

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No, no, no.

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Now I see what you were talking about.

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Oh, you were saying that if I create this loosely connected group of armies, what of

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them might go rogue?

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Oh, crazy.

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You know what's strange about lionizing a leaderless resistance?

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It seems that they don't want to follow my leadership for some reason.

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Yeah, I mean, if this is true and, like, let's say that the North Carolina crew was responsible

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for everything, I still think Stuart should get sued.

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Yeah, I think you still created the whole shebang.

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You don't just get to say, like, whoops, my group went rogue.

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Hey, hey, no, no, no.

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Look, it happens.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no.

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Anyway.

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I'm off the hook because they went rogue, see?

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No accountability there.

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In this next clip, Stuart misrepresents what the government's argument is, and keep in

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mind that the charge that this Oathkeeper is facing is related to conspiracy to obstruct

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and interfere with the Congress's electoral vote.

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They're trying to say that because we said the election was stolen, this was very dangerous

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about this, anyone who said the election was stolen and then encouraged people to go to

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DC, and then, like we did, encouraged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, and we said

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that if he does, we're willing to serve as the militia if he calls us in the service,

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which is a perfectly constitutional and legal act by the president.

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He declares an insurrection and calls us up under federal law as the militia to call us

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in the service.

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He has every right and authority to do so.

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They're trying to make that a crime.

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They're trying to allege that that-

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No, they're not.

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No.

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That's not at all what they're doing.

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If so, you would already be in prison.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, anybody could say, come to DC, anybody could say, come be a part of this protest.

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You can't, you can't conspire to interfere with Congress's business.

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Well, there's that.

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Well, you actually can.

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Yeah.

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As long as you don't do anything.

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Right.

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You can conspire unless you make an overt act towards furtherance of the conspiracy.

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See, here's what my defense would be.

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My defense would be, it was a nonviolent protest.

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Now the problem with that defense is that it wasn't.

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So that kind of changes your, yeah.

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You know, like if nothing had happened and they were levying this charge to stop the

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vote, you could have been like, see, nothing happened.

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We didn't do anything.

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We didn't go anywhere.

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It was just a protest.

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Let's say no one breached the Capitol.

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No one breached the Capitol.

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And they just had a protest outside.

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Just a regular old protest.

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Then nothing would be happening.

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Nothing would happen.

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No.

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Nobody's-

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You know why?

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The problem is what happened after the thing.

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If Congress's ability to carry out the vote wouldn't have been impeded.

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No.

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No, no, no.

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So it wouldn't have been a crime.

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Right.

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It would have been just a regular protest.

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If overt acts weren't taken to further the conspiracy, the conspiracy wouldn't be prosecuted.

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Yeah.

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I think they're mistaking that they think we're criminalizing the first part where you're

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like, hey, we don't like this thing.

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Let's all get together and be like, no.

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Whenever our problem was the second part when they were like, let's go kill people.

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That was my problem with it.

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I don't like the combination of it, but it's the second part that's a legal problem.

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Yeah.

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That's the one that's coming back to bite you in the ass.

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Yeah.

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So it turns out that because of what's happening and the prosecution of these people for storming

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the Capitol and all this, it turns out there's no more Constitution.

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Oh.

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That we are now living in a post-Constitution America.

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Right.

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And the act they take just makes that clearer and clearer to more Americans.

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You are not going to get justice at the hands of this so-called justice department as you

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call it, the injustice department.

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Nice.

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Get them.

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I don't know.

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I mean, this is one of those things that's so fucking dramatic.

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Yeah.

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This is again, the, just the drama nonsense of these people we're in a post-Constitution

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America.

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Well, Hey, I mean, if you're in a post-Constitution America, guess what?

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You don't have the right to own guns.

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Yeah.

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So.

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So we can take those real quick.

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I got bad news.

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Bummer.

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Bummer.

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You're gonna have to quarter some soldiers.

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We're living in a post-Constitution.

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Fuck off.

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Grow up.

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And the thing that makes it even more silly.

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Cosplaying cowards.

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Well, the thing that makes it even more silly is that Harrison agrees with him that we're

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living in a post-Constitution America.

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And then he plays a clip of Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about defending the second

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amendment.

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Well, today representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Congresswoman rose to speak against

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HR 8, which is a national gun at registration and HR 1 4 4 6, which is a permanent firearm

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waiting list.

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So the Democrats are coming after our constitutionally guaranteed rights one after the other.

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And there's no sense of them slowing down, only increasing their speed.

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They're not constitutionally protected anymore.

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According to you, there's no constitution.

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We're post-Constitution.

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We're post-Constitution.

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What are you talking about?

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You guys gotta adjust your fucking rhetoric.

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If you're gonna say we're living in a post-Constitutional America, don't fucking talk to me about the

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Constitution then.

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Which one?

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Fuck your second amendment if it's post-Constitution.

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None of you have fucking read it to begin with!

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Fair enough.

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And that's all good and well.

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But, like, uh, okay.

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I mean, if it's, like, it's Thunderdome then.

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It's, like, what are you...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Come, fucking, let's do this then.

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It's, if we're living, if you really sincerely believe...

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Mad Max me.

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Let's go.

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If you sincerely believe that the Constitution no longer applies, we're in a post-Constitution

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America, and you're not just saying that to be a dramatic weirdo, then it should implicate

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a whole bunch of your other beliefs.

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Yeah, totally.

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And you should no longer be talking about protecting the second amendment because if

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there is no Constitution there's no amendments to the Constitution.

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No, no, there's only the amendments.

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I guess you probably should stop complaining about free speech.

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Well, don't worry about that too much.

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That's not guaranteed.

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No, not anymore.

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If it's the post-Constitution America.

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No.

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No, and if you're gonna say post-Constitutional America, then essentially what you're saying

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is if we want the Constitution back, we're going to have to overthrow the fucking United

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States government.

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Yes, and write a new one or whatever.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Or re-establish the old one, but either way, ultimately, you are saying we need to overthrow

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the United States government.

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And the way we're gonna do that, according to Stewart, is purging the GOP.

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See, there we go.

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It's disgusting to watch all these so-called Republican leaders throw everyone at the Capitol

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under the bus, condemn them all, and agree with the Democrats.

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This was an insurrection and all this nonsense.

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We have got to purge the Republican Party, and it has to start at the bottom up.

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You gotta purge out all the rhinos, all the cowards or traitors that dominate the GOP.

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Oh, they're gone.

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It is full, infested with both of those, both traitors and cowards.

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You gotta purge them out and put real patriots in there, like Mrs. Green, and you gotta get

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more of that.

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You gotta get more Marjorie Taylor Greens in there.

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Do not, do not, for one second, do not, Stewart Rhodes, for one second, say that someone else

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is a coward.

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For one second.

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One, you're going on this show lying about the shit that you did on the 6th.

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If you were not a coward, Stewart fucking coward-ass Rhodes, then you would have turned

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yourself in, you would have claimed that this whole thing is bullshit, and you would have

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said, I'm going to stand and fight these fucking charges because I'm not a coward.

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And instead, you went on a radio show, not even a good one, you went on a shitty radio

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show to say, ooh, I didn't do any, no, no, no, no, no.

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They're going to blame me for stuff that I had nothing to do with.

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I'm not involved in the, they went rogue.

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The North Carolina guys went rogue.

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I'm not, we need to get rid of cowards and traitors because the North Carolina guys went

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rogue.

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The North Carolina guys went rogue and did all the things that we constantly talk about

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doing.

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No one is a bigger coward than Stewart Rhodes.

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No, no, no, no.

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That fucking coward.

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No, no, no.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Marco Rubio.

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Oh, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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Mainline Republicans.

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We need to vote him out and get more Marjorie Taylor Greene's in.

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We need to get rid of cowards.

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Now, whoa, whoa, whoa, the federal government did, I didn't do anything, oh, no, no, I will

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never take responsibility for any of my actions.

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Of course not.

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It also insinuates that even if that goes through, it might, it's not going to really

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work, but it might help.

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What a fucking asshole.

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Still thinks that violence probably is going to happen.

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What an asshole.

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So we get towards the end of this interview and Harrison gives us, you know, basically

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like what this is mostly really actually about.

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Yeah.

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I want you to tell us, Stewart, what, like somebody who's listening right now, they see

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what's going on and they're thinking, what do I do as soon as this program's over?

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What do I do?

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Of course, go to Infowarsstore.com.

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You can go to Oathkeepers.org, but what can they do?

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Who do they call?

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Ghostbusters.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Yep.

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I mean, it's more or less a 40 minute infomercial for, uh, for, uh, Stewart Rhodes feigning

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ignorance and innocence and then also trying to get money.

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Why not just tell Stewart to take some of that fucking chill, man?

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If you're going to be dramatic about the post-constitutional America, we got some products that will chill

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you the fuck down.

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I will say-

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Protect you from 5G and get you ready for your day.

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Here's that it works.

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It seemed to get that dude pretty high.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I have trouble sleeping sometimes.

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Maybe I should, uh, I mean, no, I will not.

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I want to make this clear.

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I have gotten this question a couple of times and, uh, especially recently people have asked,

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have I ever tried Alex's product?

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Oh, good god no.

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Fuck no.

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And we haven't addressed this in a while.

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No.

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No.

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Nor would I ever.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Other people do those videos.

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You can watch them.

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But for us, we're just going to be sad.

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Yeah.

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We're going to be like, ugh, this is disgusting.

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Why would anybody do this to themselves?

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It would be a real bummer.

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And then we would be realizing that we were doing it.

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And then we'd get so sad.

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So we come to the end of this and one of the things that I really am pretty insistent on

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in my own head is I'm going to be paying more attention to Harrison.

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This dude is a real fucking problem.

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This dude's a Nazi Nazi.

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I mean, the kind of thing that is apparently acceptable conversation on his show is further

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than most of the time that you see on Alex's show.

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It's outrageous, the kind of things that you'll hear on here.

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I did not think I would get to this point, but Harrison brought me here a lot faster

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than I was expecting.

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I miss David Knight.

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Yeah.

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Boring as hell.

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Boring, but he wasn't a...

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But he knew how to walk that line.

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And honestly, I think that, not to be too explicit about my feelings about this, I honestly

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think that this is revealing too much.

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I think that this is actually an incredibly bad strategy on their part.

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I think that this is bad for Infowars and as such, it appears to be a head poking up

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and I'm going to play whack-a-mole with it.

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I'm going to pay more attention to him because I think it's a soft exposed underbelly and

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a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to play the game that Alex and Owen Troyer clearly

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play better, where they can shut this stuff down.

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They can give the appearance of signaling to these white nationalists and anti-Semites.

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Listen, I love your call, but this isn't really the topic that we're going on right now.

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Click next one.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Yep, totally.

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Harrison clearly either doesn't have the desire or the ability or the smoothness to be able

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to have all that in the package of his presentation.

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And I think that through that we'll probably see a lot of really, really fucked up stuff.

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Yeah, we, we, I used to joke about it that one of the reasons that it was edifying to

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watch Alex Jones, one of the reasons that we do this show is because Alex was the weakest

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link in the propaganda chain.

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And now Harrison is the weakest link of Infowars.

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Harrison is way weaker than him.

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Harrison's not even a link.

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Holy shit.

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Harrison's a fucking flower, a dandelion, people twirled into a circle.

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So we'll check back in on him from time to time, I'll be trying to pay attention, keep

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up with him, as well as Alex.

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Monday, hopefully Alex will be back from his grocery store adventure and we'll have a Alex

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Jones episode.

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That's something that's really funny, just to cleanse our-

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Sorry, sorry guys.

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We were going to do an Alex episode, but he was at the grocery store.

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Just to cleanse our palates after this, we have Stuart Rhodes lying his ass off, Harrison

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fielding calls from outright anti-Semite Nazi types.

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And all the meanwhile, Alex.

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Because the state is so frickin' awesome.

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Florida is awesome!

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Yeah, Florida!

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And seed the table, the great old farms!

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Give it up for all the great crew here, folks!

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Yeah!

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Everybody's shopping in this place, it's awesome.

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Alex flew to Florida for three claps.

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Everybody be shopping.

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Hey, this seems like a great way to take a vacation while still pretending to work.

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Yeah, and go pay Roger a visit, I'm sure.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, we'll be back on Monday, but until then Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website, it's knowledgefight.com.

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Yes, we are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter, it's at knowledgefight.com, go to bed Jordan!

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Yep, we're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook!

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If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people

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doing God's work right now.

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Yep, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm Daryl

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Arundis, I am the prince of the pan flute.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.