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I have great respect for knowledge, right knowledge.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes. Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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We all know that you're an appreciator of dunks.

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This is quite a setup.

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Last night was the dunk contest. Let me ask you a question.

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Oh, shit. Was it?

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When was the last dunk contest you watched?

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I mean, I've...

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Aside from the YouTube clips that you watch all the time.

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I don't know ever. I mean, back when I used to watch basketball when I was like 15 or something.

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So you haven't watched any?

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Not current ones. I've seen clips of the more recent ones.

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Right.

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But whenever I go back and I watch dunks, I'm watching 90s dunk contests.

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Not because I think that they're bad now.

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Right.

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There's something magical about those terrible uniforms that they had in the 90s.

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With the short shorts?

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Yeah. There's just so aesthetic about it that's really exciting to me.

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And I know it's probably because I was a young man when I was watching those things.

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But yeah, there's just something... There's an air to it.

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There's just a certain something that the present day of NBA doesn't capture for me.

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Yeah. Who's your favorite 90s dunker?

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Rex Chapman, baby.

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I know Rex Chapman is... Okay, what do you got?

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He can't be your favorite dunker. It just can't be.

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I don't know. Vince Carter was really innovative with a lot of his...

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I remember back when I was younger. I don't know if he was ever a really relevant player,

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but I remember Isaiah Ryder was somebody...

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Isaiah Ryder.

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He's always talked about as like a great dunker.

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Yeah.

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You know, like the D. Browns of the world were like a little tiny guy.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Absolutely. When Spud Webb dunked, it was a miracle. We all...

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Yeah, everybody got off the bench and was like, oh, you're crazy.

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Look at that tiny guy dunk.

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Got it on our knees, raised our hands, Holy Ghostin'. We did a little bit...

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But weirdly, Muggsy Bogues never went that route.

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He was a tiny man, but he never went the dunk route.

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The novelty... Maybe he didn't. I just don't remember.

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That's possible.

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But he also was on the same team as like Alonzo Mourning and Larry Johnson.

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And those guys were...

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World-class dunkers.

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So this has been Dunk Talk.

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Dunk Talk. There was just some controversy at last.

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Is that right?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I was unaware of this. Please fill me in.

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Yeah. One dude got five rounds, all 50 points.

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Perfect scores, five straight rounds.

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Then he jumped over Tacko Falls for the finals.

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Tacko Falls is a seven-foot-five...

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He's a big dude.

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He's real tall.

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Okay.

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And grabbed the ball out of his shoulder.

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Managed to dunk it.

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Jumped over Tacko Falls.

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Seven-foot-five.

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Dunked it.

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Wound up getting a 47 and losing.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Perfect up to that point.

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Exactly.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Apparently, the story was they were...

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The judges were trying to set up a tie for the final.

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Of course, they were.

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Both of them get 48.

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All this cheating.

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But they couldn't do the math right, so he got 47 and wound up losing.

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It's so bad.

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That's an interesting conspiracy theory.

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I'm not sure if I buy into it.

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I was trying to pay attention to your story, but I kind of got lost in thought because

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I can't decide...

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Because Rex Chapman can't dunk over Tacko Falls.

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No.

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Rex Chapman could do anything.

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He cannot.

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The thing that I was lost in thought about was I can't decide whether or not I'm opposed

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to when people dunk over cars.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Because I think that I'm against it.

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Because I think that I don't like the novelty prop aspect of it.

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Okay.

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It should just be you and the ball and maybe another person you're jumping over.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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How is the person any different than the car?

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Am I being a stick in the mud?

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Maybe dunking over a car is really cool.

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Should you be allowed a trampoline?

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I think not.

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I agree with the trampoline.

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Although, do you remember that...

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That's a performance-enhancing drug situation.

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Do you remember Slamball?

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No.

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What is Slamball?

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There was a league that got started.

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I think it was on, like, FX or something like that.

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One of those Spike TV probably.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And it was just a basketball league, but it was a whole court of trampolines.

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All right.

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Now I want that.

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It didn't last, but it was pretty fun.

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I want Taco Falls on a...

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It was a recipe for neck injuries.

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Yeah.

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It's a terrible idea.

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So anyway, this is where apparently I have a lot of feelings about dunks.

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And I was unaware of the controversy from the last night's dunk contest.

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I hope everybody is being sued appropriately.

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Absolutely.

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But I do know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I know a lot about the former and nothing about the latter.

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Right.

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting media episode in front of us.

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We are going over February 12th through 14th.

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That is Wednesday through Friday of last week.

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12th through 14th, 2020.

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I'm Dan.

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This is 2020.

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God damn it.

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And it's interesting, man.

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This show has so many different tone shifts throughout it that you're going to probably get whiplash.

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This is whiplash.

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Yeah.

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There are like real serious moods that change from day to day.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And it's interesting.

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A lot of the times we end up focusing on like one episode or maybe two episodes.

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Sometimes it's kind of difficult to trace the like, this show has no connection to what it was yesterday.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And I think you'll experience quite a bit of that today.

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Okay.

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So I'm going to get a symbol thrown at my head.

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Maybe.

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Okay.

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But before we get down to any of that, we got to take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first, Alex, thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm policy won by Alex next, Vincent.

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Thank you so much.

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Now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Vincent.

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Carter.

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Could be.

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Could be great.

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Dunker, evolves, delicious dunks from Vince Carter revitalize the dunk on, God, absolutely next, Craig.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Okay.

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Next, Nicole.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Nicole.

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I'm going to go next, Ryan.

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Ryan, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Ryan.

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Thank you, Ryan.

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Next, Elizabeth, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Elizabeth.

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This is the big one, Elizabeth.

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The big dunk, that is.

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Oh, get the fuck out of here.

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That was a stretch.

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That was bad.

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Finally, like I say, thank you to a couple of people who signed up on an elevated level.

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We appreciate that very much.

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So first, Kristoff with a K, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And Jennifer, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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Crikey.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Kristoff, and thank you so much, Jennifer.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I like what these

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gents do, I'd like to support it, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Because, you know, we don't say this all that often, but it is maybe nice to remind people

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we have foregone the option even of taking any advertising on this show at any point.

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So it is all your support that makes this possible, and we appreciate it, and thank

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you.

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Yes, very much so.

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So here is an out of context drop from today's show, which gives you one of the tones that

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we're going to be experiencing.

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Trump should fire everyone who hasn't already shown themselves to be loyal.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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So.

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Okay.

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There is a theme of consolidation of autocratic power that is definitely running through these

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episodes.

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Trump should remove anyone that he murders from a photo.

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That is the rule.

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Right.

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Also, I forgot about this, but I need to take care of a couple things really quick before

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we get into the show.

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What's that?

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Well, there's a couple of side issues.

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What I wanted to do is make a sound drop of like a bunch of times Alex saying, side issue,

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and then introduce the segment of side issues, but I forgot to do that.

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One is I'm getting a lot of people who like tweeted at me and sent messages about coach

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Dave Dobbin Meyer, because apparently he's suing the NFL or wants to sue the NFL because

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he got too horny during the halftime show, something along those lines.

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And people are like, you should check in on your boy and stuff like that.

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I was like, first of all, not my boy.

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And I have made a conscious decision that I don't want to cover that.

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I have no interest in it, even though it's getting like, you know, people like a lot

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of attention was put to on making fun of that dude for this.

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And one of the things I recognized was that like he has probably a couple hundred viewers

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on his YouTube show.

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It's not like he has a syndicated radio show that's out widely.

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We would at this point be amplifying him by covering him, getting horny for the super

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bowl.

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And I just don't like I have no interest in that.

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This is something best left alone.

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Yeah, I don't care.

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No.

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So that isn't going to happen.

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And I'm sorry if that's disappointing to people.

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The second thing I keep getting messages about is Jim Baker and his silver sales.

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Yes, I have received yes, because it's running the same path as Alex.

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He's trying to sell his silver solution as a way that you can fight the coronavirus.

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And I'm pretty excited about that.

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Not because I think Jim Baker is going to get in trouble, but because of something that

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you you notice.

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And that is that that was everywhere.

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That was all over Twitter.

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People posting the video of Jim Baker selling the silver and just like people like, what

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the fuck is this?

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Yeah.

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Now, what didn't you see on Twitter?

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Alex Jones.

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Exactly.

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We have been covering this goddamn story.

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No, no, no.

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I know.

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I'm not mad about that.

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I'm not saying like we we deserve more attention or anything.

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No, I see tons of people talking about Jim Baker doing this.

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Actually no one talking about Alex Jones doing it.

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And that tells me that Alex Jones is less relevant than Jim Baker.

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It does seem that to me is satisfying, even if it is a bad sign for our careers.

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I don't like Jim Baker just being allowed to be on the Internet.

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I think he should be kicked off.

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No, I mean, it's not great that anyone, you know, Jim Baker is more relevant than anyone.

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Yeah.

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But if we're grading it on sliding scale, it's good that Alex Jones is so unimportant

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to people that they don't even notice that he's doing this exact same thing that they're

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clowning on Jim Baker for.

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That's good to me.

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Yeah.

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That tells me that his his impact and his reach is minimal.

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I appreciate that.

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Yep.

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So those who this has been side issues, side issue, side issue.

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So we get out of business here on February 12th.

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And what has happened at this point is that Trump has, you know, he's fired Lieutenant

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Colonel Vindman, Ambassador Sondland.

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And Alex is really exaggerating this.

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He's in a mood where Trump is fucking clearinghouse.

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Of course.

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Everyone's core.

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Everyone's got to get him out of here.

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There can no longer be any doubt President Trump isn't waiting until he wins the election

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in 264 days launch, not the red wave, but the red storm nailed it now engulfing the

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swamp and D.C. hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of globalist operatives inside the State Department

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and the Justice Department and other agencies are being purged as we speak.

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Thank God.

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So we got the air raid siren, very reminiscent of Bill Cooper.

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Yeah.

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And Alex is saying that there's hundreds and hundreds of people in the government that

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are being purged because they're globalists.

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And these are the people who have been impeding Trump's agenda the whole time.

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So that's the narrative we've been going with.

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Yeah.

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This has been a talking point on Alex's show at this point for a couple of days.

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And honestly, it definitely sounds like something Trump would do since it's an outrageously

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anti-democratic move and it would help scapegoat why he's a shitty president and all that.

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The problem is that I can't find any evidence that this is actually happening.

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The hundreds and hundreds of people.

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Trump did fire Sondland and Vindman as well as his brother.

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And prior to that, former Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch had resigned at the State

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Department.

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Beyond this, I don't really see any proof that there's a mass purging of people within

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the government.

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And you'd think people would make a big deal out of that.

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They would.

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A post on Raw Story mentions an advisor to Mike Pence leaving her position and Trump

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withdrawing a couple of people he'd nominated for the positions of the Pentagon's comptroller

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and chief financial officer and the Treasury Department's undersecretary for terrorism

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and financial crimes.

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So there are those, but that's still not really that much.

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Outside of these examples, I can't find any other globalist purges that are happening.

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And interestingly, all of these people that have been purged from the government really

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seem like they're just instances of Trump retaliating against people who weren't 100%

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on board with his clearly criminal and anti-democratic agenda.

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Yeah.

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But see, Alex's show starts with a voiceover of a guy saying, you want to fight against

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corruption?

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Well, so does he.

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So it'd be painfully off-brain for Alex to just be like, hooray for explicit corruption.

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He has to reframe it.

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And this is the easiest way to do that.

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This isn't Trump retaliating against government employees.

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It's getting Soros globalist people out of the administration.

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And it's not like five or six really egregious examples of retaliation.

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No, it's hundreds of embedded globalists he's given the boot.

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This is what Alex has been waiting for.

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Absolutely.

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The indictments are unsealed.

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Yeah.

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Kind of.

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There's a serious downside to this strategy that Alex is employing.

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And that's that it kind of leaves him without any plausible excuses for why Trump still

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sucks and isn't getting anything done forever.

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The excuse has been that there's globalists in the mix who are sabotaging things and leaking.

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But if he's now kicking out hundreds of ne'er-do-wells, that really easy and readily accepted excuse

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is going to be off the table.

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And that seems like a bad play.

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So it seems like the reality of what Alex is talking about, because it's not like tons

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of purges or anything, but what he's actually talking about is there was a story that came

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out on February 8th about national security advisor, Robert O'Brien announcing some cuts

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to the national security council staff.

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The feeling was that the council staff had gotten too big in recent years, so there was

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an interest in streamlining things.

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O'Brien had been interviewed by NPR on January 11th, and he said that he'd hoped to have

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60 to 70 staffers off the council by the end of February.

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But it's important to point out that they're specifically staffers that actually work for

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other government bodies, like the Pentagon, State Department, or the Department of Homeland

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Security.

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These are people who are on loan to the national security council staff, and this move isn't

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purging them or firing them.

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It's really just sending them back to their home office.

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I think this is what Alex is talking about, where he says the hundreds and hundreds of

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people.

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I think he's talking about these people who Robert O'Brien is eliminating their role on

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the national security council, but not purging them.

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They're just going back to the Pentagon or the State Department.

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I'm going to go with he's just making it up.

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Well, I think that he's making it up based on this as the story he's riffing from.

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I doubt he even knows.

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Does he bring up that story?

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I think it does come up, definitely.

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I don't remember if it's Alex bringing it up or a guest, but I know that the story eventually

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does come up on the show.

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But what's important here is not that this is a purge of all dissent in the government.

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What's important is that Alex is reporting it as if it is, and he's normalizing that

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idea.

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He's making his audience comfortable with the idea that a president like Trump should

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be able to fill all government positions with people who are blindly loyal to whatever he

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wants, whether or not they're qualified for the position.

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This should not be a surprise because this is what Alex does all the time, and he is

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not into democracy or a functioning government.

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It shouldn't be a surprise from Trump either.

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He's already appointed how many justices to every fucking possible court that he can,

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all of them unqualified and insane.

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So why would we be surprised that he wants this or is doing it?

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So on our last episode that came out on Wednesday of last week, we discussed how Alex had talked

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about Roger Stone, the sentencing recommendation was seven to nine years.

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Immediately after we put out that episode, things went a little bit wild.

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Nope.

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It doesn't matter.

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Bill Barr, attorney general, came out and they made an amended sentencing recommendation.

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It was like, hey, you should do less than that.

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Hey, just let him out.

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So Alex is super into that.

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He's really into this.

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And here he talks about that a little bit.

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Here's what President Trump had to say yesterday after US attorneys resigned because they want

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to give Roger Stone a record long sentence.

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So real quick also, the sound is terrible because at this point, Alex is using one of

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his wandering mics.

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So Infowars does not know how to get this sound right.

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Whenever he wants to stand up, he has a different mic.

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It's just a disaster.

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There are a couple of segments over the course of these three episodes that I was like, this

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sound is just not good enough to even use.

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Dan, have you ever been hired to work on a professional show as a sound guy?

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I have not.

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Do you do all the sound for this show?

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Yeah.

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And I fuck up sometimes.

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I'm not a professional.

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Sometimes.

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Right.

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However, you are better than the entire staff of Infowars.

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I mean, I wasn't like seven years ago.

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No, I know.

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Right.

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I mean, I've learned.

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Yeah.

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And you're not getting paid as much.

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No, probably not.

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Yeah.

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Then of course, you've got the head prosecutor who thought she was gonna get a job at the

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Treasury who then resigned only to learn that that nomination was withdrawn.

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Here's President Trump telling me about Roger Stone yesterday afternoon.

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You seem from your tweets saying that you were upset about Roger Stone.

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Yeah.

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I thought it was ridiculous that, no, I didn't speak to the just, I'd be able to do it if

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I wanted.

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Absolutely.

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Right.

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To do it.

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I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe.

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I don't listen to anything he says and every time he talks, I want to light this entire

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country on fire.

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It's so amazing those like turns of phrase.

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And the way he's talking, I have zero doubts that he spoke to the DOJ.

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Oh, absolutely.

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What do we do?

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What are we even doing?

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Why would the press even pretend that he didn't?

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Yeah.

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That's pathetic.

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And things like people wouldn't believe the conversations I don't have and I didn't talk

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to them, but I totally could have, it feels familiar and you kind of know what's going

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on.

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Yeah.

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I didn't commit a crime, but even if I did commit a crime, it would be fine.

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And also in two weeks, I'm going to tell everybody that I did commit that crime and nobody's

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going to care.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, as it relates to Roger Stone, he was found guilty of a ton of crimes by a jury

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and his sentencing is coming up at the end of this month.

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The prosecution who worked for the US government recommended that Roger gets seven to nine

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years in prison.

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I'm editorializing here, but I assume this is partially inspired by his career of destroying

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people's lives, his long track record of playing shady political games to help authoritarian

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rulers here in the United States and abroad and his consistent behavior of trying to derail

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that trial that he was in as it was happening.

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Yeah.

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That is, uh, and one of his charges for it, man, that one of his charges was witness intimidation.

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Yes.

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He did tamper with witnesses.

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That's true.

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I'm editorializing.

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I'm just guessing that maybe if I were a prosecutor, I'd be like, Hey, look, he's not been punished

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for a lot of really shady shit that he's a hundred percent done.

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You know, Hey, maybe he doesn't have a criminal record, but you bet he does.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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But whatever the reason Roger had the sentencing request from the prosecution, then Trump tweeted

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out that his recommendation was quote, horrible and very unfair.

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Hey, what do you know?

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Just after that, the DOJ overruled its own recommendation and suggested Stone get less

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time in jail.

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Honestly, it's a pathetic move on, uh, attorney general, uh, William Barr's part since that

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recommendation doesn't dictate the actual sentencing.

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That's still the judge's decision.

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All this does is send a message.

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And that message is that the law isn't really real, even, uh, even in terms of the department

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of justice and Trump doesn't give a fuck about any rules.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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That is a, yeah, I'm going to go with, uh, I'm calling it democracy done.

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The message is clear and as such in response to the revised sentencing suggestion, all

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four of the prosecutors on Stone's case withdrew from their positions in the case.

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And one of them straight up resigned from the department of justice.

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All that is fairly serious stuff because what they're sending a message with these withdrawals

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and that is that this is a corrupt operation that they can no longer be a part of.

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Yes.

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We've touched on the Roger stuff.

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Like I said in the last episode, that was before all this news broke.

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I said then that I don't really care about his seven to nine year sentence recommendation

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because I had no faith that he would have any punishment at all.

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No, I have a strong suspicion that this move by Trump and the department of justice is

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to trap the judge.

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So if she sentences Roger to a term in line with the initial recommendation, Trump can

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have a pretend justification to pardon.

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I have to pardon him.

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I told you this was an unfair sentence and you guys didn't reduce it.

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So I have no choice but to pardon him.

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It gives cover to that.

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That's kind of how I see this and what I feel is the case.

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I have no idea if my sense of it is accurate, but that just, that seems to be what purpose

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this would serve to give cover and justification for like, Oh, this activist, never Trump or

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judge.

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She, we gave a recommendation.

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It would have been fine if he did six months in prison, but I got to just get rid of this.

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I got to pardon him.

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I hesitate at any time to attribute any reasonable motivation behind anything like that.

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That sounds so reasonable.

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I think bill bar would come up with that bill bar would come up with that.

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That's true.

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I think bill bar is a rat fucker on the level of Roger Stone.

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So of course, Roger Stone would come up with this.

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Exactly.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yeah.

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For now, the department of justice for now, larger picture, Trump is making moves and

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shoring up power.

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He's clearly indicating that dissenters and people who he perceives as crossing him will

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suffer consequences and that for people he perceives as allies, he'll attack the foundations

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of the law to defend them.

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We're entering seriously fucked up territory and Alex is cheering for all of it because

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of course he is Alex isn't into democracy or functioning government.

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Yeah.

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If there's any way that they, there's no way that the election is not fucked with, that's

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just the end.

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That's just the end.

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I used to push back a little harder on your claims of that.

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I'm still pushing back on it a little bit.

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We'll see.

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I don't want, I don't want alarmism here, but of course not.

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The problem is over time, things have gotten more to what I was being hyperbolic about.

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I was trying, I was trying to be hyperbolic back then and now it seems like a yeah.

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I mean, who knows?

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Who knows?

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Um, Alex is thrilled.

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There's a purge going on.

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He's, he's super into it.

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Get all non-Trump loyalists out.

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That's great.

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Yep.

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Trump has done it.

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He's launched a massive legal lawful purge.

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Legal lawful purge.

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Okay.

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Deep staters.

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Okay.

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It's true.

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Trump is an outsider.

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He'd never been elected to even dog catcher.

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He didn't realize it's customary to remove the political apparatus of the party that

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was in power.

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Oh, is it?

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You get in power.

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Even if you're in the same party and you get into office, you remove the adjuncts that

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were working, uh, even for your own party, usually because they are loyal to who put

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them in power, not even to the party itself or the people.

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And so Trump had a major, major, major blunder, uh, when he did not remove, uh, those individuals.

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And so they were working against him the whole time as Obama and Hillary and neocon deep

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state moles.

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So now Trump says he's firing all never Trumpers.

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Excellent.

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And he is going to fire all, uh, anyone that's worked for Soros.

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Excellent.

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And anyone that's worked for the Clintons.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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So here we have a very clear cut signal that Alex is fully aware that the behavior he's

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hoping to see Trump engage in is the very definition of a dictator consolidating power.

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The fact that he needs to stress this is a legal and lawful purge of people.

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That's what you call it.

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Dead giveaway.

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I can find no evidence that what Alex is describing is actually happening, that Trump is carrying

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out a large scale purge of all the, uh, globalist Soros types in the government, but that's

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what Alex is reporting and he's reporting it as a good thing.

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So I can, I consulted the info his website, see if they can give me any clues about this

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situation.

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And I found one interesting article about a guy in the state department who was quote

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fired by president Trump as part of the spring cleaning in the state department.

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The article goes on quote, president Trump has taken a more active role in running the

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day to day affairs of the white house by grabbing the reins.

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Trump is preventing himself from being isolated by his own staff, a real danger, given how

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others have acted as gatekeepers by preventing information from flowing to the president.

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And they have been drugging his diet Cokes, I believe, right.

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Are they still doing that or did they stop doing well?

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It's interesting you say that because that article that I just read from was posted in

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March, 2018.

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There we go.

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All right.

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I looked around a little more and I found out about Trump purging descent in the white

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house.

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This one written by Paul Joseph Watson quote, president Trump is about to take the gloves

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off in a purge of white house advisors that could begin as early as today.

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That article is from May, 2017.

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All right.

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How are we doing?

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It gets really funny when you start poking around a little deeper on their website, they

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really need to hire someone to clean up all that shit.

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You would think from a January 26th, 2014 article with a shared byline from Alex and

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Paul Joseph Watson with the headline, Obama launches chilling purge against political

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enemies.

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Hmm.

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This is from the article quote throughout history, every cultures had maxims in law

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denouncing the openly corrupt sitting in judgment.

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The Obama justice department is openly launching a night of long knives style purge of their

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political enemies that should send chills up the spine of all Americans.

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This article is mostly about Dinesh D'Souza being prosecuted for campaign finance crimes,

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which he absolutely did.

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A little bit of a sliding thing here.

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It's really, it's really a struggle.

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It's really a struggle not to just like scream all the time.

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I hear you.

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It is a real struggle.

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I hear you figuratively and literally when you scream all the time.

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I know, I know.

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Or how about this article from November 1st, 2013 quote in Obama's America, the military

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must forsake their constitutional oath in favor of blind allegiance to their new commander.

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I'd be really interested to hear Lieutenant Colonel Vindman's take on that.

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Well, he was, he was of course terrified of the Obama purges that were going on.

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Oh, totally.

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And consolidating power as the dictator.

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We all knew he was.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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The point here is that this is a super common feature of the info wars, a rhetorical cannon,

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and it's turned on its head a little bit in the Trump era in the proceeding years, every

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single thing that Obama did was considered an unconstitutional purge and attack on Patriots

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or some shit.

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Well, he was black, Dan, right?

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But as soon as Alex joined up with Trump, the tone completely changed and the editorial

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line has been one of demanding Trump fire everyone who doesn't agree with him.

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That's cause he's orange.

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Well, this is because at its core, Alex's ideology is not libertarian or Americana or

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whatever he pretends it to be.

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He wants to serve a dictator and honestly, he couldn't have been more clear about this

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throughout his career.

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He's a fashion.

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It just has to be the right dictator.

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And Trump is that because he believes that his class of Persian person is safe.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure if Trump said he's going to fire all, never Trump or as all Soros people and

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anyone who worked with Hillary, I can't find proof of that, but I wouldn't be surprised

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at this point.

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The reason Alex is presenting things this way, however, is because if Alex says the

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Trump is doing these things, what could otherwise be seen as reorganizing of the security council

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staff is now framed as the long awaited wish fulfillment.

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This is Trump in the form that they've been begging for.

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Who's now going to purge all their perceived enemies from office.

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It's what Q wants.

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It's all this stuff.

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And there are two possibilities.

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Either Trump is doing that and Alex is cheerleading and authoritarian ruler, consolidating power

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and silencing all voices of dissent or Trump isn't doing that.

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And this cycle will just repeat all over again.

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Weirdly Trump still won't do any of the things that Alex insists he totally wants to do,

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but can't because of all these globalist meddlers like release magical cures for everything.

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So a new excuse will be needed.

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And when that time comes, I'll predict that Alex will just get some high level Intel that

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there's another Soros mole in the administration that got missed in the last purge.

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And they were what stopped us from getting the miracle cures all along and the cycle

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will continue over and over and over again because none of this means anything and Alex

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is just making it up.

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See, I think the one thing that Alex should be like going on with Trump about is the recent

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release of all of the Pentagon stuff about how they've got alien UFO research going on

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and everybody's like, whoa, they might actually have something.

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That's the one thing.

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That's the one thing Alex should be like, Trump release all the UFO shit.

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Just do it.

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Just do it.

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He's done that in the past.

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He's, he's called for that in the past.

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And I seem to recall even Roger was saying that Trump's going to do that, but yeah, that

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that's not a standard feature.

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I want it.

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Yeah.

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Well maybe.

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I mean, within the next week, who knows?

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Alex is by, by the time we get through this, Alex has been on quite a roller coaster.

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He might need something like that.

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But Alex, you know, he, his position on this is like, Trump can do whatever he wants.

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Tell the DOJ to do whatever.

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Absolutely.

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Tell the independent DOJ that is totally independent, that he does not have control over.

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It's fine.

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It's fine.

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Trump signal that he's going to be pardoning Roger Stone.

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Pelosi says that she thinks it's illegal that the DOJ who does standardize the and have

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recommendations from the top on what should be reasonable sentencing.

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Trump's whole justice reform movement is about having nonviolent people not serve as much

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time.

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So the idea that he can't, through the Justice Department, say, I want you to not give this

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person a longer sentence than you normally would in the, in the sentencing guidelines

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is 100% in his purview.

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Alex is just muddying up the issue here.

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And that's like, it's, it's a question of abuse of power for Trump to have the DOJ change

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their sensing recommendations in this case.

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It's not like the prosecutors in that case were just out to get Roger for no reason.

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And Trump is trying to defend an innocent man.

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He has no connection to Roger was found guilty in a jury trial and the prosecutors had their

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recommendation.

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Clearly Trump tweeted his disapproval and Barr made moves to adjust the sentencing recommendation.

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That's all very clear.

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And it's a very overt case of corruption and most likely reasons going this way, as best

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I can tell, is because someone explained to Trump that he couldn't just pardon Roger.

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That would almost certainly cause a severe reaction because Roger was sentenced for interfering

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in a case related to Trump.

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It does seem like that would be corrupt.

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So instead you have your corrupt as shit attorney general meddle in the sentencing recommendation

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to create a pretext where Roger either gets a super light sentence, possibly no time at

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all, or the judge ignores the new recommendation and gives him nine years and you can easily

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justify a pardon.

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That's all the game that's being played here and it's very lame.

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It's super important though that like all these issues about whether or not criminal

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justice reform can be something a president does, advising the DOJ on general guidelines.

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That sort of thing is not even the conversation here.

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It's a case that specifically involves the president.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It seems to me that if Roger Stone killed a guy directly at the command of Trump and

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then he were to pardon him, that would send a bad message.

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That is the issue.

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Yeah.

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I would, I would imagine that if the election is free and fair and the results are respected,

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he's just going to pull an HW and pardon everybody who committed a crime, right?

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Like everybody like HW did.

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And if he did that, I don't think, I think everyone would be like, fuck you, but it would

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be a thing where like, all right, let's move on.

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Fine.

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Go, go.

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And some of them would then probably face other charges because you can't pardon a state

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level charges.

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So there might be some prosecutions that still end up happening, but yeah, that would be

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the time when that could happen and be like, all right, whatever you're, you're in that

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period where you lost the election, but you're not out of office yet.

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Whatever.

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Fine.

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Just leave now.

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Yeah.

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Just leave now.

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Yeah, whatever.

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But it's not going to happen because he would go to jail whenever he loses the election

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and he's not going to jail.

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Maybe.

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Who knows?

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Alex is really thrilled about this imagined purge of all the globalists and Soros

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and Clinton people in the government.

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And look, man, we can celebrate that, but there's something else that needs to happen.

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And so we can sit here and celebrate going after the Democrat deep state and the Neocons

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and all these horrible people, but is Trump just going to replace himself at the head

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of that?

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Cause Tim Cook comes over and has dinner with him and Ivanka and Jared and you know, Oh,

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maybe Apple's got a couple of hundred plants over in China and he'll bring two or three

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over here.

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So for that pat on the head, we're just going to let Apple and Tim Cook control everything

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and censor and block and not let people's information be available in the market of

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ideas.

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Put me back on Facebook.

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Dangerous.

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That's destructive.

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I want to be on Twitter.

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That is tyranny.

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I want to be on Facebook and taking place now.

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That is basically.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You were let me back on iTunes.

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You were joking with your prediction, but yeah, that is a, that is kind of what his

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point was.

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Yeah.

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I want back on Facebook.

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I want back on Facebook.

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The purge that you're doing a globalist.

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Great.

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Love a purge.

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Love it.

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Love a purge.

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I need back on Twitter for 24 hours.

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I know that crime is legal, but put me back on Facebook.

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Right?

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So, uh, you know, Alex says, uh, firing hundreds and hundreds and uh, Hey man, it's fine because

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other people have done things.

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Of course.

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And I don't gloat about the fact that Trump's finally purging a lot of the scum.

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It's hundreds and hundreds.

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It's just pouring in so fast.

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Who he's, he's getting rid of any Obama people, any Hillary people so fast.

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When Clinton got in, in 1993, he fired every U S attorney.

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Trump didn't fire any.

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And they said that he was misusing his power.

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Alex is absolutely completely lying.

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No, no.

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I remember Obama did all of that.

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So I mean, he's talking about Clinton, but for one, I need him to substantiate this flood

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of firings.

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He keeps talking about because even now, days later, I still have no idea who these deep

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staters are.

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The Trump is allegedly firing.

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More importantly though, Alex is definitely gaslighting his audience about the firing

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of U S attorneys.

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Let me just read to you from a March 10th, 2017 article in Politico with the headline

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Trump team, ousts Obama appointed U S attorneys, quote, president Donald Trump's administration

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asked remaining U S attorneys appointed by president Barack Obama to offer their resignations

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Friday.

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Huh?

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That's weird.

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Cause I just heard Alex say the Trump didn't fire.

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Any of them.

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He didn't.

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Well, they, they, it's a forced resignation.

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That's what all the fucking presidents do.

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This is a super common thing for presidents do.

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So it isn't some kind of horrific thing Trump did or anything is worth getting up in arms

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about or anything.

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And anybody who did was kind of being disingenuous because they were just trying to take shots

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at Trump.

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Right?

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Interestingly, this strategy of pointing the finger at Clinton's firing of U S attorneys

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to justify governmental firings has a very specific origin.

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And that is the George W. Bush justice department in 2006, they wanted to get rid of eight U

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S attorneys who they didn't like and to deflect criticism.

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The talking point they deployed was to say that Clinton broke with tradition and fired

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all the U S attorneys when he took office.

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This is disingenuous and also not true from the Bush administration, right?

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For one, it was Reagan who began the practice of replacing attorneys back in 1981, when

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he replaced 71 out of the 93 U S attorneys that were in place, the 2006 firings were

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a bit of a different situation though, because they weren't being done as part of a transition

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as a, since you might recall Bush was initially, uh, he took office in 2001.

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This was very out of the ordinary and the inspector general ended up releasing a report

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of an investigation that found that the firings were politically motivated, which was still

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frowned upon back then, a mingling of the justice department and partisan politics.

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Oh, we were all so young.

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Yeah.

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So in order to deflect from what ended up being a pretty big scandal for Bush, they

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used the talking point that Clinton fired all the attorneys when he took office.

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And since then, it's just been repeated ad nauseum and right wing media whenever they

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need to justify a politically motivated firing, replacing people in these positions as part

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of a transition is a normal part of running a presidential administration these days,

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but firing a bunch of people for political reasons, three years into your term is not

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that is very abnormal.

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And you can't just say, what about the Clintons and make all these troubling aspects disappear,

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but that's what Alex is doing.

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And what's fascinating is that this is what right wing hacks do.

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This is what Alex pretended he wasn't.

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Yeah.

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You know, this, this is what Glenn Beck would have done back in the Bush era.

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Yeah.

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This is what, uh, I don't know, rush Limbaugh would do.

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Not me, man.

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I'm above the political divide.

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No, you're just using hacky GOP talking points.

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I wouldn't be surprised if in 2003 he went after Bush for doing that.

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It would not shock me at all.

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It would be an easy place for him to score some points.

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Absolutely.

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And he hates the bushes.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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He goes to some, uh, interesting territory here, starts, starts talking about now like

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in Q Q non, which we've known we've noticed, uh, in the past couple of months, he's been

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going pretty hard against Q. And he also admitted when he was talking to, it was, I think it

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was Steve Pachannik.

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He was talking to, he said that he tried to co-opt it from the inside so he can make money

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off it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, this clip has a little bit of both of those things.

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And by the way, I think the cute thing's been disinformation from the start and, you know,

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makes ridiculously easy predictions.

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Like the vote for impeachment will be along party lines.

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That's very easy to predict, but I'm not going to fight with folks that are into Q and like

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it and like to research things that's healthy to do.

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There's a sticker in there.

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I am Q info wars.com.

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Great.

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Q is wonderful.

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I've never been about infighting.

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So I'm not going to get into infighting with Q. So I bow to Q, you are all powerful.

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And we just have the sticker there now that says it, I am Q info wars.com.

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We love you.

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It's wonderful.

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So Alex is now selling these stickers that you put on your mouth at rallies.

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And one of them says, I am Q. So he's trying to profit off of Q. It says, I am Q info wars.com.

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God damn it.

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So he's like, ah, fucking Q's bullshit, it's all nonsense, but hey man, let's make a few

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bucks.

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Five bucks.

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Five bucks a pop.

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And you get to, I guess, carry out my weird little vendetta against nonsense.

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If you need any indication of how insincere and full of shit and crass marketing motivation

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Alex has, look no further than I think Q is bullshit.

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I'm selling a sticker that says I am Q.

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Yeah, and we get another example of the first clause being demolished by the second clause.

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I've never been a big fan of infighting.

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But Q sucks.

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Exactly.

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I've never been into infighting, it's also just patently hilarious.

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I just hate Glenn Beck.

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Go fuck yourself Glenn Beck.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You piece of shit, you rip off all my stuff.

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Hey look man, I don't like to fuck.

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I don't like infighting.

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I'm not that guy.

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So Alex keeps calling this thing that Trump is doing, this purge, the red storm.

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He's really trying to brand that pretty hard.

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Trump has launched the red storm, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

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firings.

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They're whining, they're complaining, they've got their little boxes waddling out of the

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federal government.

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The National Security Council, the State Department, the Justice Department, they were leakers,

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they were liars, they were America haters.

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And now finally Trump is becoming president.

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So I hear things like that, and first of all I hear like, man there's some branding going

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on with this red storm thing.

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That might have something to do with Q, because the storm is a Q thing.

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Is it a Q thing?

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That is a big Q thing, yeah.

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The storm is upon us, that sort of shit.

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I'm so glad I'd never look into Q shit.

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Those guys are crazy.

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And the second thing I think when I hear a clip like that is like, Alex would be so fine

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with the knight of long knives.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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He would be all about it.

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He would buy into whatever the state propaganda was surrounding it, and repeat it.

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He would not be worried at all.

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He'd just be like, look at this, Hitler's great.

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It's great, it's fantastic.

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He's purging the bad guys, everybody.

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The Stasi is wonderful.

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Ernst Röhm was gay.

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He was.

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He was.

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The end.

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Right.

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We can't have that in the right.

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Period at the sentence, yeah, exactly.

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He was within.

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Oh God.

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It would just be, you know, just replace that with that we're globalists.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's the same thing.

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It's unfortunate that we used Nazi too much in the previous 12 years, because now we really

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are living in Nazi shit, and it's been overdone.

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We can't even call them Nazis in a way that matters.

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Well yeah, and I think that there's an interesting distinction between the specifics of Nazism

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and all that, not necessarily matching up, but the larger themes being very reminiscent.

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Descent into fascism, yeah.

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Yeah, and the precision that's required with that language is something that I think even

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we aren't really necessarily equipped to handle, and certainly Twitter isn't.

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No.

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So I think-

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What is Twitter equipped to handle?

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Not much.

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Fake joke formats?

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Yes.

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I think that's a good one.

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Yeah.

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And getting everyone like me to say, fleek, things are on fleek.

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You never did that.

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Nope.

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You're not going to start now.

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So Alex goes to calls, and he takes calls, and some of these people are pretty upsetting.

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I think it's time to put the military in here.

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I think it's time to just go ahead and get it going.

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Cool.

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You know, we can't deal with these people in the court system.

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We just went through what Trump just went through with his old escapades.

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And you know they're not going to stop.

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Here's the deal.

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They were Americans doing it.

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It's one thing, but they are chai comm and globalist funded.

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As an ethos, they say America shouldn't exist.

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So when you're a citizen that says the country shouldn't exist, and you're working to bankrupt

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it, and you're working to suppress other people, and all these Bernie Sanders people say they

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want to put us in death camps-

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Bernie's going to kill all of us.

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You just outlaw it.

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I mean, because listen, I'm not an authoritarian.

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I'm the opposite of that.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm not an authoritarian.

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I'm the opposite.

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No, no, no.

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I'm the opposite of an authoritarian.

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Yeah, totally.

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That makes sense.

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Oh, God.

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So we hear there too, though, just to keep track of it, Alex is still pushing the outlaw

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the democratic party narrative, which is deeply upsetting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No.

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What we want is definitely for the military to cross the Rubicon, because as we know,

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that worked out fine.

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It's great.

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Wonderful.

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So Alex wants not only to outlaw democratic party people existing, or that party itself

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existing, as mirroring that caller, he wants due process revoked for enemies of Trump,

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which is upsetting.

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Yeah.

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They brought the authoritarianism.

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They brought the cancer.

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Did they?

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They brought the war.

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They brought...

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And you're right.

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These aren't Americans.

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And so how do you address something with normal means, normal measures, when it's not normal?

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Well, they already committed treason here.

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Of course they did.

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You know, from Obama all the way up to Hillary, these people have committed treason, and we

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can't go to the courts and try these people.

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We need military tribunal.

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Plain and simple.

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Well, it is true.

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The Nazis, but actually it's real.

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When a political system works in unison to destroy a country, you don't put them on criminal

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trial.

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You have the military arrest them and you have tribunal.

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So that's what you do.

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Is it?

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You're right.

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So Alex is kind of right that after World War II, there were military tribunals for

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the Nazis, which is the Nuremberg trials.

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Those were technically military tribunals, but they're also held under the authority

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of international law, which I don't think Alex would be so into.

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And I've actually heard him speak disparagingly of the Nuremberg trials for that exact reason.

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Why were they so mean to those Nazis, Dan?

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A lot of people who maybe have crypto sympathies for Nazis also do make the argument that it's

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international law and I'm against that.

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Yes, of course.

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But the Nuremberg trials weren't some kind of like summary kangaroo court nonsense Alex

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wants to use to send his enemies to Siberia or Guantanamo or whatever.

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Military tribunals are appropriate for matters related to military justice, which is to say

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crimes committed by enlisted persons.

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There's a very specific term for the use of military law enforcement or courts on civilians,

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which is what Alex is advocating here.

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That term is martial law, which you'd think Alex would understand considering he's made

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an entire career yelling dire warnings about it.

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Absolutely.

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He's against it.

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No, Alex is in favor of martial law.

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Well, of course he's in favor of it, but he's against it, right?

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He's in favor because he thinks with Trump in charge of it, people like himself are in

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the clear.

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Yeah, this is pathetic stuff, but what it really reveals is how surface level any of

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his understanding is, but even the main topics he covers or any of his positions, it's all,

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it's all bullshit.

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Nope.

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They all want an authoritarian fascist dictator.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And Alex wants murder.

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This is where things take a real weird turn.

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God damn it.

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Instead of the Marines, if Trump's going to do it, he needs covert action.

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All he's really is the top leadership of the globalists, maybe 20 people.

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They all die in kayak accidents this week and they'll stop right.

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Cut the head off.

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And I'm not going to do that myself, but I would support covert action.

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I would, I would support the president.

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Anybody that's taking Chai Con money, send in the teams and kill them.

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Can you trust the people that will actually do that?

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There's people that can be trusted to carry it out.

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We'll be right back, stay with us.

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That's upsetting.

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Why would, why would you even play that music?

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Why do you not?

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They know they're not the good guy.

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Of course.

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They have to.

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Yeah.

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Oh God.

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That's why Alex quotes Palpatine all the time.

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Like he knows that he's the bad guy.

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He's the bad guy.

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So we now have Alex saying that he would support Trump enlisting assassination teams to covertly

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murder the heads of the globalist structure or whatever.

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I guess David Rockefeller is already dead, so he's not going to be a target, but if you're

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a regular listener of the show, you know what this means.

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It means George Soros.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Ryan fucking Stelter is gone.

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He's in my list as a joke and you beat me to it, but you also have like first name I

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thought of course, you also have bill and Melinda Gates.

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You have Hillary Clinton, Obama, and here's the thing.

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All of those people are us citizens.

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Yes.

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This is explicitly calling for the targeted murder of us citizens by a president.

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Of course.

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It just can't be clear that what Alex wants is to live in the most brutally repressive

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dictatorship imaginable, just with his class of person not affected by that dictatorship.

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All he wants is the secret police to become death squads and covertly murder all of his

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political enemies.

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I don't understand what the problem here is.

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Sure.

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This is normal behavior sending in the Marines, using military tribunals, martial law, outlawing

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rival political parties, assassinations of citizens who you politically disagree with.

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This stuff is all pretty classic anti-democratic stuff.

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A little bit.

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It's time to get real about things.

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Alex Jones doesn't hate liberals.

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He hates liberalism as in a free and open society and functioning democracy.

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He's against it.

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Yes.

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Because then you have people who don't act like him, right?

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Anybody who took Chinese money, anybody kill them, including the, I guess all of us.

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I don't, I don't know how you can not draw the line.

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Exactly.

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You see all of us.

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This podcast is not taken.

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No, no, no, no.

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But don't kill me.

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I won't be in a kayak anyway, Alex.

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You know, he gets down to talking about this and he, he really starts talking about a lot

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of murders.

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He's really on a murder kick here on the 12th, 70 years ago, at the end of world war two

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was 97% rural, maybe 2% of them had electricity, maybe 10% had running water.

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He's talking about China here.

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Sorry.

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I should have set that up better.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And now they've got more industry than we do.

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That was because globalists made deals to build them up artificially because globalists

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own China.

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So that was their own investment going straight up.

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That said anybody that is in bed with the chai comms, once they got more arrogant in

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the last 20 years or so, they make you put one of their officers in your company, what?

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And so anybody that's got a Chinese intelligence agency operative in their deal, we don't need

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to sit there and let that damage the economy.

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Let's just talk about what you actually do.

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We kill the Chinese agents, not me.

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I'm talking about Trump needs to have the military, go kill him.

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That's what you're supposed to do.

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Okay.

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That's the default.

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This is not acting tough.

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It's not, Oh, I'm big man guy.

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That's the default.

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You got a foreign intelligence operative inside the Senate, inside the house, inside the U

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S corporation.

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Kill him.

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My God, it's not a big deal.

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Go grab them out of their house at night and slit their damn throat.

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What you're supposed to do.

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We'll stop playing games here.

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Kill the Chinese agents.

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Now let's start there.

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I don't really trust Alex to have a good gauge on who is a Chinese spy and who maybe is a

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Chinese business person or just a Chinese person.

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Could be anybody.

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I think this is a pretty bad departure down a weird road.

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Alex is really just straight up calling for a lot of murders on this episode.

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I don't know.

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I don't know whether or not to be terrified of everything or just remember that he's a

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ridiculous nonsense figure.

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He's a clown, but at the same time, so was Pennywise.

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I don't know what to do here.

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I think of like, yeah, I don't know.

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I have a difficult time with, cause I can't, I don't take, it can't take him too seriously.

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Right.

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Of course not.

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Because if you did, you'd just be like, I don't know what I would do if I took this

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seriously.

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I mean, I take it seriously on a certain level, but I just like, it's, it's one of those things

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where if we're, I've, I've always said that he's like the weakest link of the right wing

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propaganda chain and what worries me about this bullshit is how far up the chain does

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this kind of thinking go?

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I don't think this goes very far.

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Don't think so either.

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I don't think that like, but I wouldn't have thought yesterday before we started the show

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that he was going to outright call for military tribunals and secret murders.

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But I think that he's touched on that in the past, just not as overtly and insistent.

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That's true.

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As he is on this episode.

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Like I can't, I can't stress this enough.

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We're going to hear a lot about killing people.

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I really don't feel comfortable with that.

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Keeps going.

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Kill the foreign agents now, Trump.

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And I know you've got the people ready to do it.

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And don't be scared that, Oh, they'll leave it to the media and then everyone's going

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to back you.

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Kill them, kill them.

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Now it's very simple.

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Do it.

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Do it.

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Did he get some bad news about Sandy hook?

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See, that's what I kind of feel.

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That's where I'm coming from right now.

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It seems to me like, of course, Alex is a gigantic narcissist, so whatever like negative

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things are happening in his life get manifested as like severe things that need to happen

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externally.

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I stubbed my toe.

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So Trump needs to murder people.

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I wonder about that, but it would probably be irresponsible to assume that without any

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kind of evidence.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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It does feel like something personal is going on in some way.

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That's really weird.

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Cause he's a child.

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When we get to the 13th, we'll have a little bit more information to go on even from there

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that something might be going bad personally.

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But I don't know.

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I have no idea what that would be for now.

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It's just murder talk.

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You turn loose the U S military on known Chinese agents inside the United States.

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It's legal.

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It's lawful.

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They're involved in espionage in our country.

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We're not going to have trials or big long events or a bunch of crying about it and wringing

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our hands.

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You do what the shy comms do.

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If they catch us agents over there, they kill them.

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I really don't think it's cool to kill these people because China would do it.

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I don't think that's a strong argument.

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If I'm not much mistaken, I believe that Alex constantly talks about how the Chinese government

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is satanic and evil.

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So it seems dumb to justify your own behavior by saying that China would do it.

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Perhaps there are better countries to aspire to when you want to compare yourself to something.

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Well they're satanic and evil.

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So it's a good idea for us to be satanic and evil.

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That makes perfect sense.

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That's basically the argument that Alex has made.

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Haven't you ever read the Bible, Dan?

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Alex loves the Bible and clearly in the Bible, it says, Jesus mentioned a sword once the

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other cheek.

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Jesus mentioned a sword anyway.

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More murder talk.

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Kill them.

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Kill them now.

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Let's just start there.

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Let's just start there and you watch the Democrats in the deep state, yellow bellies, as soon

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as their controllers are all dead, let's stop playing games.

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It's so easy.

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It's so easy.

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It's like pumpkin pie, man.

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It's like eating a piece of pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top.

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This is not hard to do and it needs to be done and America needs to stop rolling over

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to this BS.

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But it feels good saying that, doesn't it?

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Because that's what we're supposed to do.

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So I think this is obviously a more real version of Alex that we're seeing here.

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That's why he says it feels good to say things like, kill them now.

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It's because he's been holding back from openly expressing these violent fantasies for a long

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time and having to couch them in weird language, like take them out politically or wrapping

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himself into a pretzel of a sentence, trying to maintain some plausible deniability.

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Legal and lawful, Dan.

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Legal and lawful murder.

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Right.

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And those sorts of things are kind of uncomfortable verbally.

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Now Alex can, he feels like he can speak freely because Trump is the red purge or whatever.

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He thinks that Trump is doing this.

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He's executing a purge of hundreds of globalists and dissenters in the government.

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And Alex knows what comes along with that historically, targeted killings.

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Trump is not firing all of Alex's imagined enemies, but Alex is operating as if that

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were the case.

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So what he's doing is creating a pretext for and justification for Trump to carry out political

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assassinations, which would be the next logical step down this road.

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Alex is even creating a rationale to ignore the very understandable backlash that would

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come from Trump doing something like this.

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Alex is saying that the Democrats would freak out, which naturally they would if the president

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were carrying out extra judicial assassinations.

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But Alex is pre-framing it.

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Is them freaking out because their supposed handlers are being taken out.

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If Alex were specifically trying to prepare his audience to accept a dictator, he could

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barely ever do a better job than what he's doing now.

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I think one of my biggest problems here is that not only is he normalizing this language

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and this kind of thought process for his listeners, but I can feel it hitting me like, oh, is

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this the level of conversation that we're at?

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I feel like, no, no, no, I know that's what I'm saying, but I can feel that desire to

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participate in it as like, well, that's our conversation now, you know, that might be

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you.

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I don't mean that in a, I don't mean that in a, I'm just, God damn it.

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I understand what you're saying.

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There is an effect that it has.

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It's fucking with my head at least.

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Right.

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Because it's so far outside the realm of acceptable that it's like a shift.

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Exactly.

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It's a jarring shift that happens.

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It's like the Overton window just got exploded and everybody's getting murdered.

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Hey, guess what?

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There's more.

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Cross the lawyers out of this discussion because the lawyers will lose this country for us

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real fast.

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Lawyers didn't start this country.

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Lawyers didn't win World War II.

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They didn't win the war of 1812.

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They won't do anything but lose the country.

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What?

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Now is the time to kill and to have the killer instinct and to stop worrying about it.

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Chi comms came here.

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They expect to overrun us and defeat us.

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Instead, they die.

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Now I'm going to stop talking about that and go to your phone calls.

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Okay, good.

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I do recall it was lawyers specifically who allowed Canadians to burn down the White House.

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That was the lawyers.

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Sure.

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They were like, hey, I'm sorry.

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We passed a law just recently.

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Everybody has to uphold the law.

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The Canadians get to burn down the White House.

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It's just the rule.

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Yeah.

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So that was a bad chunk of this episode.

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Yeah.

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A lot of murder.

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Alex really wants Trump to dole out some murder.

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But he does get to some calls.

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All of his callers want to dole out some murder, too?

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Not necessarily.

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I wouldn't say they universally don't, but some of them have other points.

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And one of them brings up something that would normally cause Alex to really freak out, but

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weirdly doesn't.

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I discovered you on, of all things, a shortwave radio, and I've been listening to you ever

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since.

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So that was back in the William Cooper days.

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No kidding, my friend.

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That's weird.

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Because generally, when a caller brings up William Cooper, Alex gets mad at them.

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So Alex now refers to the shortwave period of the old William Cooper days.

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That's very weird to me.

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I don't know what it means, but I always try and point out, any time his name comes up,

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I always take notice of it.

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It's usually anger.

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In this case, it's just like, ah, William Cooper days.

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Hey, those were the days when I was stealing everything from him and he was still alive.

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Salad days.

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I'm just stealing everything after his death.

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Great, Robin.

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A caller wants to talk about the coronavirus, which is suspiciously much less important

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on the show.

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Well, he's out of food.

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Seems like maybe the products have sold out and no need to scare people about that anymore.

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Not as important.

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Leave that on the back burner for when the supplies come back in.

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I can rebuild those narratives, you know, whatever.

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We'll keep the plate spinning a little bit, but no need to freak everyone out by saying

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shit like.

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It's over for humanity.

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There will only be lone survivors.

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So this caller wants to talk about it.

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He has a theory about what's going on.

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I'd like to bring up the virus over there in China.

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I don't know if this has been discussed and I'll try to make it quick, my friend.

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This over there, what's happening with this virus?

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Do you think they are using that as a false flag in the manner of now they're rounding

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up the protesters that were protesting over there and saying, oh, these people are loaded

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with the virus.

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But we're going to make it look like we're taking them out of their homes because of

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the virus.

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Are they arresting these people and never to be seen again?

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What do you think?

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I mean, it's confirmed what you said.

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They were losing the fight with the Hong Kong and Taiwanese protesters.

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The Chinese government lost its fight with Trump on the economic war.

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And so this is a giant face saving measure.

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And we know they're using it as a pretext around the political system.

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So Alex has got this caller who suggests that the coronavirus is not real at all and it's

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just a pretext that's being used to round up the political dissent.

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And Alex says that's been proved.

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I thought it was a race specific bioweapon.

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Well, it was, but now it's a false flag.

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It's not even real.

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What is happening?

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Don't even worry about it.

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Anyway, Alex has Francis Boyle coming back on the show.

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Hooray.

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And it's interesting to me about this, like this interview is completely set up based

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on a lie.

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The next hour, we've got Francis Boyle popping in to talk about how he called Friday for

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Trump to come out and say it may be a bioweapon.

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Trump did that hours later.

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And now the Chinese ambassador has responded, so that's all coming up.

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This is a lie.

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Isn't he talking about cotton?

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Didn't Tom Cotton, Senator lunatic Tom Cotton come out and say that it's a bioweapon or

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something?

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No, Tom Cotton's speech, I'm not sure if he said it was a man-made thing, but the speech

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that Cotton gave that Alex has played has to do with it not coming from the seafood

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market and the origin not being specifically known.

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But Alex is completely lying about the Francis Boyle thing.

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My announcement from Trump's science guy was the day before Francis Boyle's interview on

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Infowars.

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This whole timeline is fucked in order to make it be like Trump is listening to Infowars,

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so when Boyle was last on, we made that happen.

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And for Boyle to not push back on that is deeply fucked up.

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So anyway, he has an interview coming up.

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Alex comes back into break, it was some music.

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This is this is kind of funny.

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Oh, you're a Democrat.

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What?

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Oh, you're a Democrat, I think men are women.

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Oh, you're definitely a Democrat.

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That's right.

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Love the devil.

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All right, at the end, at the end there, the meter didn't quite work.

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Didn't work out.

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No, no.

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I think that it's really funny.

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The you love the devil part.

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That's great.

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That's fantastic.

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Prime Alex.

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That's wonderful.

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But I think that what's really funny is along the way is like, I don't know much about history

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or your Democrat.

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And when it gets to the French, I took don't know what the French I took.

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He doesn't know where to go.

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Nothing.

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He doesn't know French.

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Democrats don't know French fries.

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I don't know.

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He gets he gets thrown for a curve with that one is going, yeah.

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Just keep the riff going.

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Who gives a shit?

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Is a classic.

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Democrats don't know French.

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Just say they don't know French.

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Yeah, Korea.

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But the French are weak and they love the Democrats and the globalists, so he can't.

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He's trapped by the lyrics of this song because all the Democrats have to know French.

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Right.

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Makes perfect sense.

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So we get into a new coronavirus conspiracy thing going on here at the behest of another

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caller.

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And this way, it's interesting.

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This one hasn't come up yet, but it's really dumb.

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If you go to Healthline, how flu and HIV meds may help fight the new coronavirus.

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Come on.

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Like how how is the HIV medication supposed to help this that virus or whatever you want

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to call it?

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This is a man made meds.

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Like this is a man made.

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Don't know much about it.

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Well, on the other hand, it has the HIV delivery system and they're like, oh, don't worry.

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HIV medicine helps.

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So this is one of the coronavirus conspiracy talking points.

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Like I said, I'm surprised we haven't heard it come up yet.

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The basic idea is that some medications that are used to treat HIV are also being used

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to treat cases of coronavirus and thus they must be the same condition or at very least

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coronavirus as parts of HIV mixed into it.

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This is a really sloppy conspiracy and it's pretty easy to explain why medications that

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are used to treat persons with HIV would also have applications in this context.

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It sounds like they don't know much about biology, Dan.

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That seems like Democrats.

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One of the big issues here is that the list of FDA approved antiviral drugs is not a long

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list.

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And a lot of the ones that do exist are used as part of normal treatment plans for people

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with HIV.

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When a new virus pops up, oftentimes doctors will try the existing antivirals to see if

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they work.

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And this will ultimately always be someone that you could claim is, quote, treating the

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new virus with HIV meds since almost all antivirals could reductively be called HIV meds.

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The issue here is that these drugs will not likely be effective in the treatment of coronavirus.

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The issue is that the heightened panic surrounding the virus, there's a real fear that the demand

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for the antiviral drugs will increase to the point where people with HIV could have a more

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difficult time getting their meds.

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The concern is that there are people pushing misinformation like these antivirals are a

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cure or a solid preventative measure against the coronavirus.

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People will take that misinformation and rush out to buy out the antiviral meds, which will

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leave the supply not able to meet the demand of people who actually need them.

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The actual picture of the situation is pretty complex.

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There are some doctors who are experimenting with using medications that are used to manage

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HIV with patients who have the coronavirus, but that absolutely doesn't mean that they're

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a treatment for the virus, nor is it proof that there's some sort of coronavirus conspiracy

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going on here.

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Corona-spree.

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Corona-spiracy.

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Right.

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Can't make it work.

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Yep.

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Yeah, so that's all just a bunch of nonsense.

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But again, I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet, and it's weak shit.

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So Alex gets to this interview with Francis Boyle, and he once again repeats that timeline

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lie in the introduction, which again, I have to stress, if you're Francis Boyle, you can't

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allow yourself to be presented like this.

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It's disqualifying.

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All right, he joined us last week and said he needs to be investigated as a bioweapon,

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and we've had one of the Trump's spokespersons come out and say the same thing just a few

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hours later.

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So I wanted to get an update from Dr. Francis Boyle, who wrote the U.S. Biological Weapons

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Convention that then got adopted, most of it by the United Nations.

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So everything is wrong about that timeline in the intro.

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Like we pointed out a hundred times, the interview that he did was after Trump's science guy

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came out and made that statement.

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But the other problem with the timelines here is that Alex is saying that Boyle's draft

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of the U.S. Bioweapons Act was adopted into the U.N. Biological Weapons Convention.

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After.

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But that's backwards.

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It is.

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The U.N. version was adopted on March 6th, 1975, whereas the Biological Weapons Antiterrorism

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Act was adopted by the United States on May 22nd, 1990.

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The U.S. version was built from the U.N. version, not the other way around, but Alex doesn't

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want that to be the appearance.

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If Alex allows reality to exist here, he has to admit that his guest was someone who took

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international law and applied it to our own sovereign nation, which is globalism and the

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very definition of evil, according to Alex.

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Yes, absolutely.

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If it's the other way around that Boyle wrote the law, which the U.N. then adopted, then

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he could pretend that it's just good Americana, that they ended up forcing the U.N. to enact.

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Exactly.

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And for us, the U.N. never would have done it, Dan.

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Yeah.

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We're the heroes.

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These are the little things that most people probably wouldn't, they would see and think

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that Alex is stupid or has no idea what he's talking about.

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And I agree, he is stupid and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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But it's important to understand that there are reasons when he makes glaring errors like

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this consistently.

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If Alex had said that Boyle's law became U.N. law once, I probably wouldn't think twice

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about it.

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I'd just say it was a slip up or he's being stupid.

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Alex says that all the time.

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And the reason is to cover up for the fact that Boyle is in favor of international law

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and by Alex's rubric, he's a globalist.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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He's bad except for when he's good.

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Right.

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And when he's good, he's on my show.

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Yeah.

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The end.

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So that timeline issue, though, with the interview and Trump's spokesman coming out is murky

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because if you'll recall, Alex didn't read the article about Trump's spokesman and he

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took one of the people who gave comment for that article, Anthony Fauci, and decided that

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he's Trump's top science adviser and he's coming out, he's blowing the whistle that

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this thing's manmade.

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That's true.

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And he's a hero.

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Unfortunately, Francis Boyle has some news about Anthony Fauci.

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Tony Fauci has been up to his eyeballs in this Nazi biowarfare work for years.

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The same is true for the Center for Disease Control.

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So now, Anthony Fauci is now, according to Alex's big special expert, someone who's knee

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deep in Nazi science projects.

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Right.

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So I imagine Alex is going to immediately agree with him and then scrub the article

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from Infowars off of his site.

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It's a difficult position that this puts Alex in because the whole narrative was that Anthony

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Fauci is this hero who's coming out prompted by Francis Boyle's interview on Infowars that

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Trump heard and he forced Anthony Fauci to come out and blow the alarm, all of this.

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So Alex tries to save this a little bit, but I don't think he does it well.

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So without me asking the questions here, you're the expert.

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Right after you come on, right after Senator Cotton says he should be looked at as manmade,

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the Indian Institute saying it looks manmade, showing where it's clearly been gene edited.

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Not getting into whether Fauci is good or not, I respect you, I understand what you're

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saying.

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They are responding and Cotton's come out again and now the Chinese ambassador will

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say, hey, no, no big deal if, you know, Fauci is a Nazi scientist or, hey, look, I respect

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you.

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Whatever.

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Hey, let's leave that aside.

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Separate the art from the artist.

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That's what you got to do.

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That's real.

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It's about what he's doing now.

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Sure.

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He's a Nazi, biological warfare science, but you know what?

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Even the blind squirrel finds the occasional lie.

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What Nazi projects have you done for me lately?

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Exactly.

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So, um, Francis Boyle has nothing really to offer.

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It's a really boring interview.

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Um, and so we're not going to listen to any more of it because Alex gets back to murder.

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Why doesn't he utilize the black ops teams, the mercenaries, those are the trained killers

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he needs.

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The problem is he's surrounded by traitors.

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He can't trust any of them, but we're entering a wheelhouse now with a deep stake.

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He's trying to overthrow him where he won't have a choice, which I don't think we shouldn't

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be happy about this, but it is where it is.

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They're bringing us to a place we don't want to go, but we didn't take us there.

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That's what's not our fault.

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Once we get there.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Totally not our fault.

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When we, uh, politically assassinate people, we didn't your, you guys have wanted to murder

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for a long time.

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Now you just get to say it.

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Yeah.

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This is just cowardly.

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Yeah.

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Just stop it.

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Don't blame it on us.

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You want to murder people you disagree with.

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So fucking say it, but they can't because they, Alex, even Alex knows that that isn't

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appropriate.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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So is Alex just listing people that Trump needs to kill?

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Yes.

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Alex, you were talking about it before.

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I'm sorry.

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The caller, uh, people who Trump needs to kill for the guys, we got to get out of there

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or Zorro's Obama, Brennan clapper and the Clintons.

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And then the rest are going to fall like dominoes.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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We don't need a big Marines invade DC.

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We just got to go after the snake and I'm not saying we're going to do it.

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And I'll set up a place of fear.

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It's not our place.

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Trump needs to cut the head off the snake.

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So this caller lists like specific people that Trump needs to kill and Alex says, yup.

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He doesn't like Obama's work with Netflix, not a big fan, you know, that's probably what

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this is about.

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Yeah.

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I'm pretty sure that that's what's going on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we have one last clip here from February 12th and then Alex is like getting into this

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weird head space about like, they've come at me, they've come at me, you know, he's

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already been in this like a need to murder all these people and this feels like slightly

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a justification.

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Like I've been wronged and it's just such bullshit.

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It was probably like eight, nine months ago, they had the department of justice under these

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people investigating my dad who did nothing.

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He's not even involved with the company much.

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He does some bookkeeping and then product development, but they knew I loved my dad

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and I just told him, I said, I told him, I said, dad, you ready to go to prison?

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He goes, yeah, I'm ready.

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I go, yeah, we're not backing down.

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And they went and the system was like, really?

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You don't care about your daddy.

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And I said, he's an old man, he's ready to go.

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I said, you can literally, I went crazy actually, but I'm not going to get into what happened

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behind the scenes, but they, they realized I don't care about me.

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So they thought they'd mess with my dad and my dad was like, destroy me.

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It was totally made up.

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They're like, we're going to indict your father.

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And that's the level of the scum.

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You cannot even imagine the filth.

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So there's a good reason that people from the department of justice might've been making

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inquiries to Alex's dad a while back.

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And that's because Roger Stone was on trial and he was an employee at Infowars.

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Now, as much as Alex wants to say, his dad's barely involved in the company.

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On many occasions, Alex's dad, David Jones has been presented as the head of HR human

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resources at Infowars parent company, free speech systems.

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When Alex was facing EEOC complaints from Ashley Beckford and Rob Jacobson, David Jones

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was the human resources director that he fielded media requests.

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In other news stories, he's been given that title and by all appearances, he's the person

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who's in charge of staffing and employee related issues for the company.

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On December 18th, 2018, Alex's dad was deposed in the Pepe the frog lawsuit, but what's this?

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He wasn't deposed as himself.

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He was the corporate representative of free speech systems, which led to this exchange,

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which when I went back and read the deposition, I read it a while back.

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But now after the Rob, dude deposition, this is particularly funny.

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Here's a question from the lawyer.

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You understand you've been designated as the corporate representative of free speech systems

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at today's deposition, correct response.

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Who designated me that I suppose I was advised by email some time ago, they're going to have

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a corporate designate and I had agreed at the time that I'd be willing if it was prudent

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question.

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Okay.

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Did, and did anyone advise you that you were in fact going to be the corporate designee

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for free speech systems answer?

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I think I was advised, but I didn't really realize the full impact of that, but yes,

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it seems like this is a pattern for Alex and his lawsuits.

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Just making someone he thinks he can trust, be the corporate representative for his company

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and having them go into the deposition completely unprepared and Stonewall the whole thing.

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He did that with Rob do in the Sandy hook trial and he did it with his own fucking father.

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In this case, it's a very clear strategy, Alex and his lawyers employed to derail and

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slow down trials that they know they're going to lose.

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And man, it's just wild to read that transcript of the 2018 deposition and realize that Alex

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was willing to put his dad in the position of being a pawn in that kind of a game.

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He's a real piece of shit.

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They know I don't care about myself.

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So they went after my dad.

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Surprise.

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I don't care about him either.

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I tricked him.

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I don't care.

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Nobody.

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I don't like anybody.

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I want to kill.

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I just want to kill the globalist and I were trying to take out Alex's dad.

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Alex made him the head of enforce human resources so he could have a person he trusts in that

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position and there are consequences to moves like that.

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For instance, when one of your employees is facing federal charges, it may be a thing

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where your dad ends up getting a message from the prosecutors or I don't know, let's say

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another one of your former employees.

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Let's just call him.

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Jerome Corsi tries to sue you and his contention is that he was wrongly terminated as part

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of the, you know, that's part of the discussion that might end up getting your head of human

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resources, in this case, your father involved in that legal matter.

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This is how narcissists operate.

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When they're facing the consequences of their own actions, they're not able to accept them

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on reality's terms.

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So the consequences themselves become a part of a larger attack, thereby allowing Alex

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to maintain and even expand his own victimhood.

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Alex's dad in his capacity as the info Wars HR director gets contacted by prosecutors

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or lawyers about legal issues related to former info Wars employers or employees.

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That is completely normal and a predictable thing to have happen, but to Alex, this becomes

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the globalist trying to investigate and take out his poor, innocent, completely uninvolved

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father because they're sick and they target your loved ones.

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This is just really sad levels of Alex acting out his own issues on his audience.

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It's wild to think that his dad hasn't checked this stuff by this point, just allows it to

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continue.

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I just don't think he gives a shit.

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It must be a lot of money.

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Yeah, it's got to be.

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Or his dad must be way crazier on the John Birch tip than, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's, it's very plausible that like he is far more of a zealot than we know because

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he keeps such a low profile and refuses to come on Alex's show.

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It might just be that he's a smart version of that guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, obviously if you're the head of HR, there's a tacit endorsement of a, whatever

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it is Alex says, maybe, I mean, if you don't, it becomes murky whenever it's like your family

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and maybe you didn't want to be a dentist anymore or whatever, you know, who knows?

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So we jumped to the 13th and Alex is feeling real good about Roger's chances and it makes

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a little bit of a prediction here out of the gate.

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Massive outrage across, not just the US, but the world.

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No one is buying this miscarriage of justice.

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And I predict that within two weeks, Roger Stone will be back co-hosting this broadcast

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and the war room and the silencing of this American Patriot who was punished for helping

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advise President Trump, getting President Trump to want to run for office, making President

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Trump believe he could win.

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President Trump would not be president if it wasn't for Roger Stone.

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So this is a very dangerous mentality that Alex is expressing because at its core, what

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it does is it makes it so anyone on your team could commit any crime they want.

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When Alex says that Roger is being prosecuted because he helped Trump get elected, on one

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level what he's saying isn't true, but on a deeper level, it's also very not true.

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It's uh, yeah.

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The issue is that Roger is not being prosecuted for that.

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He's going to prison for actual crimes he committed and was found guilty by a jury for.

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I've never actually even heard Alex discuss the real charges that Roger was convicted

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of.

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Not once have I heard Alex discuss the very clear open and shut witness intimidation that

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Roger engaged in with Randy Credico.

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He never talks about the reality of the charges because the reality of Roger's actions has

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been replaced with a facade, which can be easily summed up as it doesn't matter what

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the charges are because he didn't do it and even if he did, they're only charging because

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he supports Trump.

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No matter what you do, if you're on the team, it doesn't matter.

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I've heard that the ends justify the means and I can't think of any possible morality

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that would contradict that.

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It's important to understand this dynamic because it's the way Alex needs to present

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this person.

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They have to be a pure hero.

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So whatever the reality of this stuff that is actually happening, don't even talk about

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it.

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Alex knows what charges Roger's been convicted of.

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He knows.

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He knows that a jury found him guilty.

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He knows all of these things, but he can't discuss any of that because he's a good guy.

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He's on the team.

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This is important.

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I need to make a point of this because it is relevant later.

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Oh, I just can't believe that he still hasn't figured out that Roger Stone has greatly contributed

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to ruining his life.

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It's insane how severe.

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You can't possibly want Roger Stone back.

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He ruined your fucking life, man.

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Yeah, but if he ruined his life, maybe he can save the ship.

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No!

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He doesn't care about you.

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So Alex predicts that Trump's going to pardon Roger and that's cool.

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Trump is currently preparing to pardon Roger Stone and CNN and MSNBC are up there spinning

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going he can't do that.

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That's obstruction of justice.

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No, that's why you have an executive branch that's co-equal to the legislative and the

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judicial so that when those get out of control, it could be a check on the other and vice

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versa.

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It's called separation of powers and it's part of our federal system.

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Oh, I apologize, this is just good old-fashioned separation of powers stuff.

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It's not separation of powers when the executive branch intervenes to overrule the judicial

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on a matter that's specifically related to the criminal affairs of the head of the executive

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branch.

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What Alex is describing is how a normal pardon might work, but in this case, Trump would

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be absolutely out of line to pardon Roger given that his conviction, again by a jury,

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was related to impeding the investigation into the criminal affairs of Trump.

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Pardoning Roger would be more or less just Trump, it'd be him sending out a very overt

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message that if you commit crimes to protect his crimes, he's got your back and you won't

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do any time.

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It's the definition of corrupt.

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And I suspect that's why, again, they're going with the Bill Barr route first.

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There needs to be a pretext for this since it really feels like as eroded as our system

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is now, it still seems like that would be a breach of norms.

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Like using a presidential pardon to get your friend who's in prison for lying to impede

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an investigation into your actions, it seems like even as bad as things are now, that's

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still too on the nose.

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Nope.

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Probably.

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Nope.

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You're probably right.

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It is getting really frustrating that nobody in the media is willing to just point out

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that the big reason Trump is getting away with all of this shit is because we're all

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kind of afraid that if we hold him accountable, his supporters will start murdering people

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in the streets.

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Like that is kind of a big deal that is unspoken underneath.

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I'm not saying they will, but there's the fear of it that's very real.

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I don't know if that's motivating as much as you think.

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It might be a piece of it for some folks, but I don't know how widespread that is as

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a motivating factor for the people in the media.

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I don't know.

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It could be.

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I have no knowledge.

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I think I would prefer that to the admission that both the Democratic Party and the media

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are essentially useless and pointless, and I just really wish that that wasn't true.

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It could just be like that obsession of appearing neutral that you have to take.

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The Democrats love that obsession with appearing neutral.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you have to present climate change denial as...

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Teach the controversy.

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Exactly.

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Absolutely.

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That mentality does impede people to an extent, or even probably more than a fear of Trump

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supporters murdering people.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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Anyway, Alex has decided that he's probably going to maybe, I don't know, possibly go

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to CPAC to cause a publicity stunt, and he complains about CPAC a little bit here, which

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seems like a new obsession.

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He talks about it a bit on this episode, like how much he doesn't like CPAC and how they're

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all cowards.

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Okay.

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I'll give him that.

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I don't know.

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CPAC's so cowardly, the Republican blue bloods that still control it, that people like Roger

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Stone aren't even welcome there, or people like myself that actually got Trump elected.

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That shows you what Trump's up against though.

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It doesn't matter.

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If I show up at CPAC, we'll just totally steal the show and take the whole thing over.

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But you know what?

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I don't need to do that, so I just may not do it, but I'm really thinking about it.

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Okay.

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Ah, yes, Jordan.

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The notoriously restrained and cowardly CPAC.

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Yeah.

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Who could forget how cookie cutter and safe their speaker list was in 2019 when they had

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Sebastian Gorka, diamond and silk, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Glenn Beck, Dennis Prager,

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and oh, who's this?

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Donald Trump.

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Yeah.

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As speakers.

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I can think of maybe two or three people on that list who haven't outright committed crimes.

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CPAC is not afraid to have complete shit heads and con men as speakers.

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They just don't want ones who are bad for the brand.

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That's why they disinvited Milo after people started talking about those pro pedophilia

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comments he'd made in the past.

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That's why they disinvited gateway pundits Jim Hoft after he started spreading conspiracy

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theories about the survivors of the Parkland shooting.

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That's why they didn't let Laura Loomer and Jacob Wall in.

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They don't care if you're a lying shit head, just so long as you're not too embarrassing.

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And at this point, Alex and Roger are really embarrassing.

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Yeah.

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Also, CPAC might not want to invite Roger because in 2018, he was involved in the first

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year of a rival conservative conference called the American Priority Conference, which was

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trying to brand itself as the CPAC for Trump people.

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That conference, probably coincidentally, was held at a Trump hotel and involved a whole

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lot of shit heads saying dumb conspiracy stuff and selling idiots knick knacks.

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Nah, I can't think of any problems there.

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Incidentally, along with Roger Stone, the American Priority Conference 2018 also had

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speakers like Stefan Manu, Laura Loomer, Mike Cernovich, and Anthony Scaramucci, whose speech

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apparently was mostly about how QAnon is real.

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This is the lane that Roger belongs in.

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And even fucking CPAC understands that.

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They aren't afraid to have him come speak.

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It's just that he's an embarrassing criminal asshole who belongs at a conference along

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with other losers like Laura Loomer and Stefan Manu.

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Yeah, we prefer other embarrassing criminal assholes.

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Right.

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The funniest thing here, though, is that Alex probably wouldn't even be invited to speak

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at the American Priority Conference.

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Too toxic.

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Yeah, his brand is too bad.

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He's not even on Facebook.

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For the junior varsity, super toxic brands welcome version of CPAC.

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And that's a good call on their part.

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You can't invite Alex because then he would make your event all about himself.

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He's so desperate at this point that he could be completely welcome somewhere and he'd still

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show up in a tank with a bullhorn acting like he's breaking in.

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No one needs that.

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He steals focus to a point where it's just like, just calm down, dick.

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Whatever benefit or gain there could be from having Alex anywhere is far outweighed by

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having Alex anywhere.

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So, at this point, Alex, it's actually a little bit refreshing in some ways, even though what

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he does is terrible and awful, but we've been so starved for any different content because

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of all the obsession about the coronavirus and now, okay, you got the Roger stuff really

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taken over and the DOJ and Trump pardoning, which leads him to the murder obsession on

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the last episode.

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I do kind of regret wishing for a change from the coronavirus stuff if the change is murder

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the Chinese.

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I do regret feeling a little desire there.

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It seems like it's been a long time since there have just been like stray headlines

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and stuff.

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And he, Alex gets to one here and I think it's a teachable moment.

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I saw a story yesterday where two Somali migrants went on a spree, robbing, stabbing, attackings

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for days.

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Well, you got to give it up to them.

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The judges said, you can go free.

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It's a religious virtue signal sacrament.

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And you said to yourself, why are they doing that?

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It's a plan to bring down the civilization.

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So I think this is a perfect example of how bad Alex is at his job.

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Like what is he talking about?

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No clue.

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You hear him telling a story about some Somali immigrants who went on a spree of crimes,

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but were let go because, you know, the left is into letting nonwhite people get away with

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crime so as to bring about the end of civilization.

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Absolutely.

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That's what Alex, you know, always does.

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But when you take a step back, what do you know about the underlying story that he's

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telling?

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Nothing.

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The story that Alex provides, we don't know anything about this.

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I don't know where they're at.

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We don't know what country it took place.

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No clue.

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This isn't covering a story.

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This is gossiping about a headline he might've skimmed or more likely it's just Alex making

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up a story in order to justify him going into a xenophobic rant, which is what he was going

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to do.

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Whether or not he had a story to base it on.

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Yeah, I know.

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Why are, why are you even pretending anymore?

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You can't track down this story based on the details Alex provides.

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And that's intentional.

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He doesn't want to portray reality or help his listeners come to a better understanding

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of the world.

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He wants to reinforce and harden their fear of the left and people who don't look like

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them.

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I decided to see if I could trace down the story that Alex is covering, you know, for

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fun.

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Infowars website was no help.

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There wasn't any story like this on there.

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So I started Googling.

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I just liked that sentence.

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Infowars website was no help.

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Yeah.

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Put that on my tombstone.

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Agreed.

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So here's the most recent story that matched some keywords.

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From February 2nd, 2020 quote judge refuses to vacate Somali pirates sentence.

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Hmm.

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Got to give it up to him.

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This was a story from the Elko daily free press covering a federal judge's ruling in

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Virginia that a Somali pirate could not have his sentence thrown out, which he was seeking

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because he claimed that his lawyer was ineffective in the underlying trial.

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The judge said, Nope.

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And that's Molly man is still in prison and they let him go free.

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Wait, what?

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So that's kind of the opposite of the story that Alex is telling a little bit.

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You'd think that based on the narrative that Alex is selling, this pirate would be exactly

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the sort of person the federal judge would release as a perfect religious virtue signal

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sacrament.

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But it looks like the reality is the opposite in this case.

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So I kept looking and there's only one Somali pirate, I believe.

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I don't know.

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I just kept looking.

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I couldn't find any evidence of judges releasing any Somali immigrants or stabbings.

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So I started searching for Somali and spree those words to see if anything came up.

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And there was one story from September, 2019 out of Minneapolis.

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But this wasn't about a Somali immigrant going on a stabbing spree.

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It's about a guy named Harlan St. John getting arrested for going on a vandalism spree, smashing

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out the windows of Somali owned businesses, because as he told the police, quote, Somali

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people are selling meth and heroin to native people.

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So that's not the case Alex is talking about.

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I also don't think that guy was talking about first nations.

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No, I don't think he was.

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No, I think he was talking about a different kind of quote, native people.

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Yeah.

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I wanted to be cute about this, but honestly, I have no idea what story Alex is talking

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about.

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And that's kind of my main point.

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If I, someone who's actively trying to figure out what story Alex is talking about, have

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no idea, people who are just passively listening have no clue what's going on and what's real

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and what Alex is just making up.

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When people in positions like Alex are vague, it's because they're making things up.

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If Alex really had a case of a Somali spree stabber who'd gone free because it was a religious

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sacrament of virtue signaling for the left to let immigrants commit crimes, it will probably

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be in his interest to actually cover the details of the story.

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Go over that.

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What's the name of the stabber?

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The alleged stabber.

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What's the name of the judge?

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What city did it happen in?

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Fuck.

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What country did it happen in?

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What are the circumstances of the case?

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He doesn't do any of that because he's not covering the news.

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He's creating a feeling and that feeling is supposed to be purely anti left and anti non

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whites.

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Details just get in the way of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That could really mess things up.

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When you're talking about the truth, there's a lot of nuance and context that goes into

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it.

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It really makes it hard to just hate.

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You know, you have to wade through all this stuff and then you're tired at the end of

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it.

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Sure.

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Your eyes hurt because computer screens are, yeah, no, it's tough.

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Maybe just hate.

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Yeah.

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Hate.

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Hate.

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So Alex has another headline.

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North Korea shoots dead coronavirus patient after he's seen at public baths.

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This is a race specific bio weapon.

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It is manmade.

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Wow.

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Parts confirmed.

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That's why governments are freaking out.

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I hope it's not as bad as they're saying, but this is mutating and it's very, very serious

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in my view.

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So wait, the day before Alex got a call from a guy who was saying that the virus was just

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a cover up to round up people who were protesting against the Chinese government, which would

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lead you to think that it's not a race specific bio weapon that got released and Alex agreed

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with them.

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Yes.

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Those two narratives seem slightly at odds with each other, but now here on the 13th,

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Alex is back to saying it's a manmade race specific bio weapon.

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He has no consistency.

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Just by design.

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This is so much Andy Daley as L Ron Hubbard for the I didn't say this dead authors podcast

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of like, well, yeah, I said it, but I didn't say it.

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Yeah.

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I listen to the show all the time and honestly, I don't even think that I could tell you what

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the show's position is on the coronavirus.

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I really don't know.

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I think he's rooting for the coronavirus.

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I think he's pro virus.

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Some days it's a race specific bio weapon.

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Some days it's a bio weapon China wanted to use on us that got loose accidentally.

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Sometimes it's all a cover for something completely unrelated to public health.

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Sometimes it's not even real.

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Totally.

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His show makes no sense.

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It's abusive to his listeners like this day to day.

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What a bad.

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It's abusive to me.

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Yeah.

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He's not saying anything, but he's also suggesting a whole lot of stuff with the presentation

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that he is saying these things and that's not cool.

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No, it's not great.

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Also that story about the North Korean official may or may not be true.

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It was from a South Korean source and I can find no confirmation about it.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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I have no idea if it's true and neither does Alex.

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He's just reading Adline and asserting it as fact that getting into the details of the

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story, which is a kind of irresponsible.

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Alex has another caller here and the virus is now maybe not a specific bio weapon.

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This is immediately after.

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This is immediately.

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The only political dissidents, the only people who have died outside of China were people

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who were in China when they got the disease.

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But I don't even think it was the disease that killed them.

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Something else is killing them.

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You know what?

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You know what?

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I tend to agree with you.

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This is clearly a manmade virus.

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I think it does kill some people, but there's no doubt that they're putting some fake videos

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out in China of like a man and woman laying there to create fear.

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They're letting everybody videotape it to create fear.

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Where's the race specific part now?

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You just said it was a race specific bio weapon a minute ago and talking about North Korea

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and now you have this caller who's saying that, nah, there wasn't the disease that killed

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them.

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They're trying to crack down on dissent.

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I tend to agree with you.

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Yeah, of course.

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Of course.

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This is so inherently incoherent.

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It's just, and it's intentional.

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It's really.

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Yeah.

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You believe I agree with you so long as you buy my shit.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets to talk a little bit about the purge that Trump is doing of people in the

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government, which I still don't know is accurate and he's really trying to make this red storm

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thing work.

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What I do know is the red storms here, Trump is purging the traders and he's accelerating

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in the attack and I love it and we have lived to see it and I hope it continues on, man,

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I love it.

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Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war.

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So at this point I was really marveling at how desperately Alex is trying to make the

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red storm happen.

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I was curious about what was going on here.

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Like obviously he's trying to evoke the storm, which as I said, it's QAnon stuff and probably

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also the red terror, which of course is the period of political terrorism that preceded

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the Russian civil war back in 1918.

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However, I have a slight suspicion this might be a Steve Paczentak thing.

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I base that on the interesting coincidence that there's a Tom Clancy novel called Red

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Storm Rising and the company that licenses Tom Clancy properties for video games is called

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Red Storm Entertainment.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Steve had nothing to do with any of this, that Tom Clancy stuff, but he's notorious

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for pretending to be the real life Jack Ryan and he associates himself heavily with all

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things Clancy.

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This is probably on my part a complete stretch and I have no reason to believe that this

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theory even makes sense, but there's something super weird about Alex incessantly trying

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to brand this the red storm, which happens to be a term that's only really widely associated

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with a former business partner of Steve Paczentak's most likely it's just Alex trying to launch

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a phrase that he can put on some shirts, but you have to forgive me if my mind wanders

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sometimes.

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I like to show often is very boring.

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Right, right, right.

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I'm going to go with, uh, it is Steve Paczentak and also Steve Paczentak is Rasputin.

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I'm going to say that 100% positive.

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You heard it here first.

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I never died and he'd been to Korea a bunch.

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I just heard of this red storm stuff and I'm like, wait, that's the name of this Tom Clancy

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shit.

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Steve's got to be looming in the background somewhere.

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You have this whole thing with Roger and the department of justice.

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This is prime Paczentak stuff.

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I'm just like, he's coming.

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He's coming.

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Is he coming?

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I don't know.

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I just want, I had no idea.

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I was like, I don't know if Steve, but Alex has to be talking to him.

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Right?

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Right.

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Red storm would be a phrase that is related to Steve.

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Now I'm like putting yarn up on the wall.

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You can hear Steve Paczentak's footsteps behind you at all times.

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He's coming.

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He's somewhere.

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He's always looming.

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Yeah.

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Also, uh, Laura looming.

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Red storm is also the nickname for the sports teams at St John's university.

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So it's probably trademarked and I really hope Alex tries to launch some red storm merch

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and then get sued.

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That would be fun.

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God, I want it.

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More lawsuits.

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So Alex takes a call from a guy and, uh, this guy is like, Hey man, like the streets should

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support Trump more.

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And the rationale is bad.

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I believe the streets.

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They are conservative.

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Alex, the streets in your average thug is not for gay marriage.

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They're not for transgenderism.

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They're not for drag queen story hour.

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We just need to crack these streets and get to the people that are in these streets.

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And I truly believe that they will get behind Trump a hundred percent.

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Well, I think it's already happened.

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That's why the left's trying to reenergize racism is Trump has record as black support

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and that's why they're freaking out because they're losing control of the plantations.

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If I understand this caller's argument, he seems to be saying that quote, the streets

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should be sporting Trump because they're all also homophobic, transphobic and opposed drag.

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I don't know if that's a good argument when you're trying to present the idea that Trump

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is a uniting force.

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Go ahead.

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As to Alex's point about Trump having record black and Hispanic support.

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It's good that he's not being specific about that because if he was, he'd probably be lying.

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If you go back to a speech that Trump gave on the campaign trail back in 2016, he said,

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quote, at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will have over 95% of the African

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American vote.

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I promise you because I will produce.

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This is in stark contrast to a November 2019 Hill Harris X poll that found that quote,

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an overwhelming majority of black voters, 85% said they would choose any democratic

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presidential candidate over Trump.

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In reality, he's probably never going to get anywhere higher than like 10% and that might

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even be generous.

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That is not record breaking unless you're talking about it being a record for Trump

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himself, which is a little disingenuous.

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I think this is all a little bit silly for Alex, a devout white identity advocate to

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be bragging about Trump's nonwhite support while discussing with a caller how quote,

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the streets and Trump can find common ground over their agreement that trans people shouldn't

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be allowed to exist in public and non heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

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It's a weird pitch.

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He was talking about the British rapper, the streets, Dan, he wasn't talking about that.

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The streets he was talking to, and I didn't know that guy was that homophobic, but it

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turns out if you've got the streets playing your rallies, you're, that's why I prefer

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lady sovereign.

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So this caller goes on to talk about how great Alex's iodine is and I don't trust him without

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the survival shield X two and without Donald Trump, I'd still be a liberal left wing crazy

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believe in the mainstream media pop culture in Hollywood.

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You guys helped me.

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The X two gave me the clarity and the focus to read between the lines and understand what's

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really going on out here.

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So by the way, that's not just high.

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My IQ, that's what the show went way and I finally got on clean iodine eight years ago.

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Oh really?

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So except in cases where someone is severely iodine deficient, Alex's products aren't going

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to do anything other than a placebo effect.

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So long as his listeners are eating salt, there's nothing that these products can do

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for them except trick them into thinking they're somehow seeing through the matrix.

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Alex is being a real shit head when he cites these studies about iodine increasing IQ because

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he knows or has every reason to know these studies are not saying that if you take iodine,

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it will make your IQ go up.

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They are showing IQ differences between people who had severe iodine deficiencies and those

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who did not.

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Most of the studies that Alex would cite are actually about maternal iodine levels and

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the effect that can have on fetal development.

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So not even relevant to this caller or Alex, who I should point out are grown adults taking

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iodine supplements.

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Yeah.

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And this is a classic case of Alex creating a fake problem for his products to solve.

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He tells his audience that the globalists are trying to dumb them down and iodine can

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fight back against the onslaught.

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The listeners take the iodine, have that placebo effect, which is accompanied by listening

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to a ton of Alex's shit unquestioningly.

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They adopt his narratives without looking into any of it themselves and pretend that

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that's them seeing through the matrix, which they were able to do thanks to the miracle

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brain boosting power of iodine.

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It's all just a really sad grift, but you can see that it definitely does work sometimes.

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I mean, the scams, the scams, the scams work, not the iodine.

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Those aren't going to do shit.

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So Jordan, I have given you a stout.

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You're going to crack open here, a morning latte from the toppling Goliath brewing company

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out of Iowa.

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And, uh, normally I am a staunchly against Iowa, but I will make an exception, not sponsors

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of the show, but I felt like it would be appropriate for us to have a, have a mid show since we've

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had a novelty beverage.

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I think everybody's been clamoring for new novel and they do want to know specifics.

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So that's why I gave it.

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But another reason that we're having a little stout here is because I am pretty convinced

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that Alex ends up drunk on this, you fall off the wagon there.

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Pretty sure.

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Okay.

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A lot of people suggested that over the course of the last month, so like, Oh, Alex is drinking

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on this episode.

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And I don't really necessarily agree based on certain behaviors that I find to be uniquely

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in the times that I think Alex is drunk, Alexian if you will.

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And I believe, uh, it is my conjecture that Alex is drunk, uh, towards the end of this

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episode.

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He has norm Patis is lawyer on the show.

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And I don't think Alex and norm Patis like each other.

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I don't know why.

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And I think, well, I mean, certainly that time that Alex put out a bounty, there is

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that a million dollars for his head on a bike and norm had to sit there.

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I don't think that lends itself to a friendship.

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No, not usually.

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I don't think that they like each other very much.

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And I think that Alex knew that, uh, he's going to be coming on the show and we're going

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to talk about Roger Stone related legal issues.

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I might need a drink for this.

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I think that's what happened because Alex and him, Holy shit, this goes bad.

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It starts bad.

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Okay.

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Cause Alex makes an announcement that norm has to immediately retract.

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We should go ahead and make this announcement.

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You've been talking about this for a few days with me.

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We pulled the trigger earlier.

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We are going to intervene in the Roger Stone case.

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And we're also going to be working with Mike Cernovich on this, but I'm going to finance

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it to go in and show in the court records, which are very expensive to get all the particular

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records with these jurors, bragging that they're Democrats.

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This other juror whose husband was a top lawyer on the Mueller probe, I mean, conflicts of

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interest that are incredible.

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Remember they called a few months ago for my arrest in the Washington post, even though

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the Supreme court's rule, it's totally normal to put out who jurors are for the intent of,

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you know, finding out they have a conflict.

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I wasn't trying to intimidate anybody.

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It seems like this whole house of cards, norm Patterson is starting to collapse for them.

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Well, it does.

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And I just want to correct the record when you say intervene, that's a term with legal

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significance.

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We're not a party, but my office is right now attempting to locate and obtain a copy

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of the trial transcripts.

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We're just trying to get the transcripts.

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Alex, do not say we're not intervening that Alex words have meanings in the world of the

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law.

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Yeah.

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I think throughout this interview, uh, Alex keeps saying things and then Norm's like,

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I, here is a super cut of norm responding to Alex, uh, I don't know about that.

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Um, you know, I can't go that far.

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I'm still an officer of the court.

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I, you know, I don't know anything about that.

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That's news to me.

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My, you know, again, I'm going to just comment on a case by case basis.

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There's a lot of just like, I, uh, what is, what is he, what is he, uh, Alex's dad given

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a deposition.

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What's going on here?

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Okay.

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Alex.

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I don't know.

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So it's interesting because I mean, what's going on here is that, uh, they're trying

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to create this argument that these jurors were biased in Roger Stone's case.

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And like norm is on here and he's, he even said, we're not, I don't even have the transcripts.

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I don't like, I'm, I'm just requesting them.

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And if you listen to the language that's used here, like it's very clear that they're just

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guessing.

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You're entitled to a jury of your peers and that's a fair and impartial jury.

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Historically, what that's meant is that these are jurors who have not formed views of the

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case.

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So significant that they're likely to affect how they evaluate the evidence.

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In some courts, that means people don't know anything about the parties or the participants.

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That's rare in a high profile case.

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Typically they just have to be impartial.

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They have to set aside whatever they've heard and commit to being able to try the case based

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on the evidence in the courtroom.

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However, the participants are entitled to an honest answer with respect to sources of

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bias that jurors may have.

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Now, Mike Cernovich is reporting that one of the jurors had run for Congress as a Democrat

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prior to the trial.

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It's unclear to me as I sit here today, whether that was disclosed to the lawyers in the case.

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This juror has now come forward and written her about her outrage over the resignation

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of the four trial prosecutors this week, suggesting that in fact she had very strong views at

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the time of trial.

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So if you listen to that, he's saying nothing.

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His language is completely clear that he has no idea if that person who ran for office

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disclosed in the jury selection phase of the trial that they'd run for office.

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He has no idea.

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Norm is just speculating that it wasn't, but guess what?

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Anybody who wants to speculate that it was brought up has as much ground to stand on.

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They're not saying shit.

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This isn't a claim.

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It's just a narrative that's being built out of thin air, which makes sense considering

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all of this is just information coming from Mike Cernovich.

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Cernovich is going after the jurors in this trial, trying to show proof that they should

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be disqualified and, I guess, get Roger out on a technicality.

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It seems, or you'd have to have a new trial, I guess, that way, which seems weird to spend

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as much effort on something when you have a pretty good sense that Trump is probably

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just going to pardon him.

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But that's where it gets important to understand what this is really about.

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Cernovich and Alex aren't trying to get the case retried.

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They're not trying to get the overturned as a verdict.

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They're trying to create narratives that provide cover for Trump to pardon Roger because, hey,

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all these jurors are all biased.

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I have to pardon him.

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Still larger than that to essentially say that Trump is the arbiter of justice.

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No juries are... If anybody convicts anybody in the Trump orbit of a crime, it's because

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they're partisan Democrats.

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There is no rule of law.

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It is purely Trump wins no matter what.

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That largely, and then more specifically, give Trump the political cover that he needs

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to pardon Roger.

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That's all just weak shit.

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I went and looked at what Cernovich was putting out, and one of Cernovich's gotcha moments

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is showing that a juror had mentioned Roger Stone on Twitter in the past, though the jurors

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were asked if they'd posted on social media about the subject of the case, which would

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be Roger.

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Right.

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The smoking gun that's shown here is a juror, this one juror, retweeted a Bakari Sellers

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tweet that said, quote, Roger Stone has y'all talking about reviewing the use of force guidelines,

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not Alton Sterling, not Eric Gardner, not Walter Scott, not Sandra Bland, not Keith

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Lamont Scott, not Philando Castillo, not Terrence Crusher, not Deontre Hamilton, but Roger Stone.

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Think about that.

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This is clearly not a tweet about Roger Stone.

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It's about the treatment of African American folks by the police.

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Yeah.

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Also, she just retweeted it.

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That wasn't even her tweet.

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I think you could very accurately say that you'd never tweeted about Roger Stone even

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if you retweeted that.

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This is thin fucking broth.

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Yeah.

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Part of his proof is that she tweeted some negative things about Trump in the past.

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And to that I say, so what?

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This wasn't a trial about Trump.

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It was about Roger committing crimes.

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It's very possible for a human adult to not like Trump and remain unbiased about a legal

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matter involving one of Trump's associates.

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Just because Alex could never be impartial if he were a juror in a case involving a friend

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of Hillary Clinton's doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of that.

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Like for instance, I fucking hate Alex Jones, but I could be totally impartial in a case

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involving his cousin Buckley, for instance.

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Yeah.

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That wouldn't be hard.

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No.

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I would not be able to be biased in a case, actually I'd probably be, because I hate the

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criminal justice system so much, it's a real catch-22.

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I honestly think that I could be impartial in a case even involving Alex, but I think

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that me saying that, no one would believe it.

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So I'm going to make that claim and also not stand behind you.

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I don't think I could be impartial in any case.

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I agree with that.

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I don't think that's possible for me.

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You do not belong on a jury.

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Zero, zero possibility.

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So this Cernovich stuff is really stupid and it would never hold up in court, but that's

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okay because it's not designed to.

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It's meant to be a play for a public opinion narrative that provides cover for Trump to

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abuse his power and pardon his friend for trying to obstruct an investigation into him.

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Which makes it particularly sad for Alex's lawyer to debase himself by lending this weak

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shit credibility.

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Like Barnes really needs to give Norm a call and get him up to speed that it's time to

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bail.

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This isn't going to go where you want it to.

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So Alex is like, you know, he wants Norm to talk about the case and Roger being innocent

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and all that, but also he's fixated on a headline that he's read about this Cambridge professor

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who's written a book basically making the argument that humans should stop reproducing.

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It would be an ethical thing for humans to stop reproducing because of all of the systems

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that we've brought into the world that are destructive and that, you know, unpacking

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all of the things like capitalism, all of the systems that we have are foreign to nature

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and we need to dismantle those things and the only way to do that is through our gradual

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getting gone.

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That's an interesting...

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People have made these sorts of arguments.

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Right, right, right.

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No, I mean the idea of an extinction by choice?

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That's bananas.

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Well, I mean, there's the voluntary human extinction movement that's existed for a very

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long time.

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Sure.

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I just don't think it's possible for any organism to cause its own extinction.

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I think it is.

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I mean, it can kill itself.

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It is possible, but it's also all voluntary.

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It's not like a forced thing.

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No, that's not what I'm saying.

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It's not about murder.

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It's not about telling you to kill yourself.

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And it's not even something that I would guess that this Cambridge professor believes could

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be implemented.

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Exactly.

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It's just sort of an ethical dissertation that she's putting out.

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Now, also she has tattoos and kind of looks like a witch.

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Oh, well, there we go.

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There's our bigger issue.

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There's our bigger issue.

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It's surprising to me that he isn't talking about all of these types of books that have

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been written about...

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There have been a lot of them.

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Yeah.

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Why did he choose this one particularly?

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Well, because it's current.

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He read a headline about it.

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And this lady looks like a witch.

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There we go.

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So Alex gets fixated on this and insists that she needs to kill herself.

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And Norm is not happy about this.

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And we will learn why in a little bit.

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Look at this Cambridge academic says human race must become extinct to save the planet.

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That's not a whole extinction rebellion.

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And guess what?

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She's got Medusa on her arm and devil tattoos and is into nihilism and destruction.

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Well, hey, here's the deal, honey.

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You just get yourself a big old tank of vodka and some barbiturates and kill yourself because

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you're into death.

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You're into destruction.

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You've given up on humanity.

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I don't want you to kill yourself.

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I'm just simply telling you, you got that broadcast?

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Go take care of it.

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Get in the bathtub, slip those wrists, go see Jesus.

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Now, Norm has got to be thrilled that he showed up.

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He's got to be at the point where like after Alex got drunk and yelled about wanting a

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bounty on the opposing council, he had to be like, it always goes bad.

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When I go out and he's like, Hey, we're just talking about Roger.

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Everything's fine.

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Alex is being a little bit, uh, you know, saying we're going to intervene.

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That's not, but I can correct him and you know, we can, we can get by on this.

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Now he's talking about how this professor needs to kill herself.

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Norm, can I get your take on this?

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She should kill herself.

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Correct.

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Alex does try and get him in.

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So again, lady lead by example, I'll give her some respect.

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If she jumps off a building today or slits her wrist, and again, I'm not saying she should

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do that.

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She just says we should all die.

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Well, her first norm.

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Wow.

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I mean, I don't know where, how even to, what to make of that.

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So he doesn't like her argument and he actually has a pretty good response to it about like

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love being transformative and he has like a position that like is like, Hey, don't don't

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hate on her baby.

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If we all show compassion and love, it'll change her perspective on this.

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That's kind of the angle he's coming from.

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You say that on info words, Alex throws a fucking hatchet at you.

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Well he does.

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He does make that point.

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This goes so bad and look dude, Norman, this next clip says something that Alex should

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take as a fucking stop it.

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But he doesn't.

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Of course.

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I'm just telling her, I hope she doesn't commit suicide, but lady, you go first.

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I just had someone close to me commit suicide, so I don't wish that on anyone.

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That is the point.

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Oh fuck.

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That is the point at which you immediately start practicing empathy towards the person

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who's sitting next to you.

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That is the point where you're like, all right, sorry, look, I'm making some jokes.

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I right.

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This is disrespectful.

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I'm sorry for your loss.

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Let's move on.

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I apologize for inviting you onto this episode of curb your enthusiasm.

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Apparently is how this is going.

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Human decency dictates that you take that as a sign.

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Like Norm is being very polite and saying, I just lost someone to suicide and you know,

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so I don't know.

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I'm not into this.

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What he's really saying is stop.

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He's putting a boundary.

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I don't like him.

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And even I went, Oh, right.

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It's immediately a human empathetic response.

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Alex doesn't take it quite the same way that humans might, again, I just, I just want her

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to go first, try to pour gasoline all over herself.

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And go easy.

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Alex.

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Great.

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We all need, we're all in need of grazing.

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She needs it.

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I mean, you know, go easy.

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She wants us all to die.

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I'm just saying, let's go.

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You know that a song from Elvis.

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Yeah.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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Let yourself go.

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Oh, he's drunk.

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Come on, honey.

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You ain't got no place to go.

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Just put your arms around me real tight.

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Yeah.

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It was around here when I realized like, these are the drunk behaviors that I haven't seen

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in a while.

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Like this sort of stuff is very like in the Alex drunk, uh, uh, sort of the inability

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to understand the slight cues that are actually screaming out of norm about like Alex cut

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it the fuck out, um, are insane.

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And this next clip, Alex just won't stop.

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And I really get the sense that, uh, norm hates Alex.

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She's up there flapping around like a vampire bat telling us, kill ourselves.

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I'm just simply saying, I, I just said, kill yourself.

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Well, that's given her what she wants.

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I'm I've shared the power of love and the power of grace is overwhelming.

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It certainly has transformed my life and I hope it would hurt gasoline with two as well.

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Norm, I'm having a little bit of fun.

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You're you're got me.

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And you know, it takes a lot to make me speechless.

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You have that gift.

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That is a guy who hates Alex.

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That is the most lawyer way of saying, I, I hope you liked yourself on fire.

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I represent fucking murderers, Jesus.

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I hate you, God, he must keep, he must need that money.

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He must be getting paid so much.

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I don't even, I think maybe also like high profile case, you get a lot of publicity out

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of it.

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Conceivably as it gets closer to when it goes to trial, it could pay off huge.

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If he really thinks that there's a chance he could like weasel through this case on

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a technicality, it could be a huge thing for his center.

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And even if he loses the case, it's not like it hurts him.

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It's you can get whatever publicity you get out of it.

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Get a lot of money from Alex.

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There is a, you know, but like you can get in those little moments, like I am almost

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never at a loss for words.

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And you have that gift.

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That's a very polite, fairly smart person's way of saying, fuck you.

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Go fuck yourself.

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I told you five minutes ago that someone near me committed suicide and recently, and you

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won't stop taking every single like, Hey, polite deflection that I make and weaving

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it right back to poor gasoline on yourself, bitch, man.

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It's crazy.

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Alex is so out of line.

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That is, that is, uh, I does kind of point to the obsequiousness of, uh, of the right.

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Just like there's no way that I'm just going to sit there at that's after that.

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And he keeps going.

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It's like, cool, Alex, this is as good as we're going to do.

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I'm going to let you go, man.

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I don't know.

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Like that's easy.

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I love the employer employee relationship, or at least like there's the business relationship.

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And you know, if you're norm, you also recognize like there's some performance on Alex's part

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that like, maybe after the mics went off and they went to commercial, he apologized.

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I don't know.

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Probably not.

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But maybe there's like, I'm so sorry.

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Look, I just got out of control that I was on a riff.

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It was too good.

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I couldn't stop.

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Yeah, sure.

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The bit was great.

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The right is too good at comedy for me to stop.

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So I had a suspicion that Alex was maybe back in his drunk behavior.

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And that was kind of like this next clip is where I was like, Oh boy, let's go ahead and

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take a caller here.

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Who's been holding the longest for norm.

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That would be kind of a fun noise.

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Let's tune into what's going on.

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It sounds like a soundtrack from the exorcist, you know, sorry, Steve in Florida, you're

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on the air.

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Go ahead.

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Maybe Alex just like did some acid or something.

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I don't know.

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That's a fun noise.

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Yeah.

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So that's the level he's at.

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And you know what I want to say, I like, these are the behaviors that I find in times when

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he's very clearly drunk, but also I could see it as a possibility that he's not drunk.

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He just hates norm.

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Like the two of them just hate each other and they only exist because Alex can't get

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any other lawyers, even fucking Barnes.

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So w you know, he can't carry out his case without some sort of a lawyer who's willing

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to represent him.

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And norm is that.

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So they're stuck with each other in some way and they fucking hate each other.

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That's a possibility that he's so checked out and like, I hate this guy, but he doesn't

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want to act like that on air, but he also needs some lawyer to come on and talk about

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Rogers situation.

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He needs a lawyer to come on and talk about Rogers situation, which they are absolutely

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not doing.

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Right.

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There's not much of it.

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Yes.

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So yeah, they, they, this ends not all that dramatically or anything.

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Alex lets him go and then he comes back from break and he has another guest.

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And when he had another guest, I was like, okay, it's gotta be Steve.

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He's been saying these red storm things is when you expect Steve to come in.

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And when he announced who the guest was, I was like, God damn it.

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All right.

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For the rest of the hour that I'm going to host someone to the fourth hour and cover

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all the other news sticks joins us.

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And I've been watching this guy for six, seven, eight years on YouTube.

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He's got billions of views racked up there.

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It's an author, editor, video creator, and Gardner.

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And he goes by stick six, six, six official.

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And then I think that's just more of an obnoxious handle, but he can describe that for you.

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This is a hilarious booking for Alex on his show, considering all Alex does is yell about

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Satan.

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That is, do you know who this dude is?

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No, I have no idea.

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So his full handle is sticks, hex and the hammer six, six, six, and he's a real shithead

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on YouTube.

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Uh, there's one of these YouTube commentator guys, right?

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So if he was on the left, that would handle, it would be 100% the thing that Alex screams

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about for hours, hours, see, look at how devilish is.

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They have to be obvious about it.

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They have to tell you that they're so evil.

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That's what they have to do because there's no consequences for them anymore.

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They know that they have to do.

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That's what they're going on.

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Oh, he's on my side.

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Okay, cool.

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Love him.

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It's just an obnoxious handle.

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It's annoying.

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Um, I should tell you, he, uh, is a legitimate Satanist or at least he used to be.

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He left the church of Satan a few years back and is now a self-described pagan and occultist,

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which Alex would still describe as Satanist.

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He calls people that are just regular, easy Christians or Satanists, you know, it doesn't

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matter.

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So that, uh, I would say no, his 666 handle is not just being abrasive or obnoxious.

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It's a name he chose when he was a real Satanist, unlike all the Democrats Alex calls Satanists

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just because they believe in liberal policies.

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Hey, the great beast, Alistair Crowley.

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He's great.

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So Sticks is a real dumb dumb.

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He used to post videos on YouTube of himself doing drugs, which he called trip reports,

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but he stopped that after he overdosed on fake weed back in 2010 and got clean.

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He's advanced some real fun conspiracies.

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Like he believes that Charles Manson is innocent and some real not fun ones like arguing that

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the Nazis didn't use Zyklon B in the gas chambers.

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He since walked that one back a little bit.

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But in my book, if you're using your platform to spread Holocaust revisionism, that stays

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with you.

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Even when you walk it back, the end good on you for realizing you were wrong.

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But the problem is that you didn't realize you were wrong before you started preaching

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that shit.

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Realizing your position was wrong doesn't change the fact that you were still the same

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person.

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Even afterwards, after you made up your mind that you were wrong, you are the same person

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who thought it was a great idea to question well-established history of the Holocaust.

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So go fuck yourself, Sticks, Hex and Hammer 666.

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I think one of the big problems with YouTube creators being self-employed is that the only

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person who can fire them or punish them for their bad behavior doesn't particularly care

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that much.

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Seems that is a problem.

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Yeah.

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So beyond that sort of stuff, like, uh, you know, some weird conspiracies and Holocaust

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revisionism that he since pretended, ah, I didn't mean that beyond that, he's just pretty

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much a run of the mill YouTube reactionary, right-wing commentator, except that he has

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a satanic aesthetic, but that means he has long hair, he has a leather jacket and he

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often wears no shirt under that leather jacket.

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Oh, the right's getting cool down, down the right's getting cool.

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They just watched easy writer recently.

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This dude just straight up sucks.

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But honestly, I would have thought that he was, would consider himself above coming on

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info Wars.

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I've, I've known who he was because of like YouTube.

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Like I've accidentally watched a couple of his condescending ass videos in the past,

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but, and the sense that I got from him would be like, no, I wouldn't go on.

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Alex is a crazy person.

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Why would I do that?

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The fact that this interview is happening is embarrassing for both parties engaging

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in the interview.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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Anyway, the interview is just stupid.

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Maybe Sticks is just doing some bucket list shit.

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Like he got the call.

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He's been on war room a couple of times, but that makes sense to me.

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That makes sense.

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Cause Owen Schroyer's show is definitely more tailored towards the younger reactionary crowd.

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And so like he'll have a lot of these people who exist in fringe spaces on YouTube because

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you want to reach out to those audiences more, have the cool Owen Schroyer guy, cook destroyer.

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You know, you have him on, it makes some sense, but being on with Alex is just not good.

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No, it's a bad look, especially a drunk one.

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Yeah.

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So the whole interview is really just exists.

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So Sticks, Hex and Hammer 666 can come on and bash the left.

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That's it.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Talk about Bernie being bad.

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Everyone's bad.

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Bernie's going to murder all of us.

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Bernie's going to murder Sticks.

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The band though.

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Yeah.

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It's a very unimpressive interview.

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And I just, the only clip I'm going to play from it is Sticks explaining that no, his

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handle is from back when he was a Satanist.

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And Alex, Alex's response to this is it's up there.

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Okay.

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As far as the username goes, that actually dates back many, many years to when I was

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actually an atheistic Satanist.

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I left that behind long ago.

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I have nothing to do with it anymore, but the name stuck.

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So I just kept it the same.

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Sure.

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Makes sense.

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Sure.

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God, I just hate the double standard.

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So pointing it out is passé and cliche, but God damn it.

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It's so annoying.

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Well, it was a Satanist, but the name, you know, I had a bank then it stuck.

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Cool.

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I'm surprised.

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I'm surprised.

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He barely started.

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Like I, I imagine that in his head was like, that means you're still a Satanist and what's

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a Satanist always.

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And then he's like, oh shit, he's on my side.

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Okay.

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He probably has way more of a reach than Alex too, at this point, like he's pretty popular

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on YouTube.

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So I would, I would assume that Alex would want to enlist him as part of the fold.

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So best not to be like, you're still a Satanist.

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You look, you can, once you got the donk, once you got the meme machines, you're going

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to need a Styx guy.

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That's just the rule.

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So that's it for the 13th, the rest of the show is mostly Alex having this interview

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with Styx.

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And like I said, it's just very standard bashing the left stuff.

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It's not, it's not interesting.

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I want, I expected more, I had higher hopes for Styx and hammer.

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That's a phrase that I've never heard.

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That's a sentence I've never heard before.

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Or at least maybe Alex asked him about ODing on fake weed.

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Now that would be interesting.

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Yeah.

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How do you OD on fake weed?

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Whatever.

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I mean, some of that stuff is a, it's not good.

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It's not good for you.

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I totally believe that.

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Um, and not, uh, none of this is to make fun of people who've had bad drug reactions or

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anything.

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It's just kind of, it's kind of funny given him, you know, anyway, I wouldn't want that

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to be my rock bottom moment though.

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Of all the, of all the rock bottom moments, you're in N a that's not the one I would want

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to share.

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Fucked up, fucked up on fake weed.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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It's a, it's a weird look, much like a leather jacket without a shirt.

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Weird look.

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Come on.

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So we get to the 14th and now something interesting has happened.

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And that is that an interview with William Barr has come out where he's trying to do

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damage control about the fact that these prosecutors removed themselves from the case.

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So now Alex has an interesting dilemma on his hands.

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We know that attorney general Barr has really come out against the president.

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Some people are saying that it's elaborate theater kabuki and that it's to get Democrat

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heat off the attorney general saying don't send it stone to an exorbitant amount of time.

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Correct.

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Well, Dr. Steve Pachinnik is a smart guy.

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He does know a lot of people in the deep, deep state disagree.

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Not the lawyer bureaucracy, but you know, the folks in the military and those areas

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also really has a big problem with Barr.

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And he particularly wanted to come on the show today.

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So I'm told anytime he wants to come on, there's an open door.

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He thinks Barr needs to resign and he thinks Barr is going to make a move on the president.

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And I agree with him because of the pedigree of Barr.

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You know, Barr is up to his eyeballs in Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

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Ooh.

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Okay.

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So like I told you, I knew that Steve was looming in the background somewhere.

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You feel his footsteps.

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You're like a quarterback with Brian Ehrlacher running down.

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I got my Steve sentence that was triggered.

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So by the 14th, William Barr had sat down for a highly staged interview where he basically

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made the point that Trump's tweet about Roger Stone's sentencing recommendation made it

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impossible for him to do his job as the attorney general.

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You can kind of see what he means.

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That tweet put him in a very bad position.

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If he sincerely did believe the recommendation was too severe, he then had to choose to either

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not amend the recommendation for fear of appearing compromised by Trump's tweet or amend the

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recommendation and give literally every appearance of being compromised by Trump's tweet.

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Yeah.

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It's a no win situation.

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Yeah.

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For Barr, it'd be amazing for him to be in a complex situation where he's protecting

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the president.

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I've never heard of him doing that before for multiple presidents.

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Sure.

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And look, I don't fucking trust Barr in the slightest.

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The dilemma he's describing is a real problem though.

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Like that is sincere.

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Like Trump's tweet does introduce that possibility.

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The way Trump acts makes every decision completely complicated and suspicious.

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There's no action that Bill Barr can take, particularly in cases that affect Trump directly

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that can never really be seen as independent or legitimate because of the way Trump behaves.

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I don't believe that this is like, I'm sorry, Barr is really concerned about that, but just

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looking at it from a neutral position, person one does this, person two has to respond.

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It does make sense.

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Like Trump's tweet does put him in a fucked up pickle.

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No, absolutely.

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I just get frustrated whenever they have to pretend.

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Like just say that he told you to.

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Nobody cares.

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I mean, it's already done.

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We all know he told you to do it.

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You're going to do it.

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Just say it.

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Yeah.

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Just be done with it.

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I have a strong suspicion that the interview he did was intentional and it was a calculated

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act designed to cut off criticisms that as attorney general, he was basically just acting

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as Trump's personal attorney and doing his bidding opposed as opposed to protecting the

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interest of the country, which is why he was fucking hired in the first place, right?

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Whatever the reality of it, Alex is pissed.

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He sees the interview as a broadside attack on Trump.

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And now bar is on the outs with the Patriots, which is hilarious considering how much Alex

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loved bar.

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Not a few days ago, Steve is going to come on and bash a bar, which makes sense.

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Bar is associated with the Neo cons who Steve fucking hates.

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So this is standard stuff, just Steve working in some of his own material, going into business

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for himself on Alex's show, as they say in the world of wrestling.

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But what I want to bring sharp focus to is how now Alex doesn't like William Barr.

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And because of that, a whole new set of facts are available to him.

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Like that Bill Barr is up to his eyeballs in the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

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Here's the thing.

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Alex didn't just learn that Barr's father was quote the headmaster of an elite New York

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city school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics.

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That line I just read to you for it was from an August, 2019 article in time.

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And it wasn't news then Alex has known that all along, but he strategically doesn't mention

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it ever.

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Meanwhile, he's in the cycle of presenting bar as a hero, doing the heroic work of backing

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up the arch hero Trump.

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Now that he said something in the interview that Alex sees is going against the dear leader,

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all of a sudden, Alex is aware of this long reported piece of information.

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Super weird how that works.

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I wait, is he?

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He's genuinely mad at Barr.

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Yeah.

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Does he not get the game?

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Is he that stupid?

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He is doing this in defense of the president.

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Well, that's our sense of it.

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That's because it's what it is.

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It does feel that way.

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That is what it is.

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How is he mad at him for doing the best possible...

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Alex thinks that he's turned on Trump.

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No, he's making the best possible move for Trump.

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God, these people are so fucking stupid.

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Nope.

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He's made an attack on Trump in this interview because Alex thinks he's trying to save himself

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for something.

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God, I hate it that stupid and violent wins.

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So I was listening to this and all I could think about was pro wrestling.

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You may not know this, Jordan, but there are different styles of wrestling that heels and

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faces generally engage in because they're trying to elicit different reactions from

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the crowd.

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You don't want a crowd genuinely cheering for the heel.

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So you typically don't allow them to do moves that are too exciting.

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A good recent example of this is Seth Rollins.

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When he was a heel, he didn't do any of the high flying moves that people really pop for.

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But once he turned face, he started breaking out the superplex into a Falcon Arrow and

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the Phoenix splash.

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Now he's jumping off the top rope and everybody's like, oh, yeah.

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People love it.

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It's great.

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So when Seth was a heel, he knew how to do those moves.

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He was perfectly capable of pulling them out at any point in any match, but he didn't because

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his goal was different in those circumstances.

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That's what Alex does with information.

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In that interview, Alex thinks William Barr has turned heel on Trump and now the move

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set has opened up and he can now connect Barr with Epstein.

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Alex could have done that at any point and it would have been just as true, but he never

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did because that would jeopardize the face reaction that he wanted the listeners to have

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towards William Barr.

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This little thing is a gigantic tell about how Alex operates.

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He knows so much more than he says on air, particularly about the people he's trying

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to paint as good guys who are actually trash.

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It also strongly indicates that he was totally fine with having an attorney general in office

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who was up to his eyeballs in the Epstein stuff so long as they didn't dare question

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Trump.

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It kind of makes you think about how much Alex knows about Trump that he pretends not

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to know so he can keep presenting him as a face.

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I just...

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Kind of makes you wonder.

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I'm mad that I'm mad at him for not doing this the right way.

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I'm mad that Alex is not being the right kind of corrupt.

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That is bumming me out.

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He should be smart enough to realize...

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You're bummed that he's not on the script.

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He's doing a bad job.

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God.

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But it's what he knows to do.

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Right, of course.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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It's just like...

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And it's the knee-jerk kind of defense thing.

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Like he doesn't have time or he's not really that smart.

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He's not.

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And so like, yes, this appears to be an attack on the president.

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We will respond as if it is.

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It's just such an own goal, man.

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What are you doing?

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It's not great.

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So Alex also has learned on this February 14th, by the time this episode airs, he's

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learned that the Department of Justice has come out and said that they're not going to

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pursue prosecution against Andrew McCabe.

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Right.

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Because he didn't commit any crimes.

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That's one argument.

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Okay.

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Another argument might be that it is also another placating move and that like this

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prosecution wouldn't have worked out, but you could have left it hanging, but you dismiss

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it in order to also appear more fair in the face of all these prosecutors.

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This will get rid of all the criticism of four prosecutors.

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There's possibilities.

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There's a lot of possibilities.

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Alex thinks that it's more William Barr trying to save himself and he's pretty mad

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about this.

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And he starts complaining about John Brennan.

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And Brennan literally goes, and he walks around Congress and stuff when he's there, just

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everyone's scared.

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He walks around just, can you imagine as a full grown man walking around like, are you

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scared of me?

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I'm a bureaucrat and he's mad government.

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I mean, you know, that's a certifiable lunatic right there.

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Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

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Bernie's going to kill America's back for ever.

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All I want is to get these dishonorable scumbags out of there.

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Things won't be perfect, but there'll be a hell of a lot better if you hate America and

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you were in the communist party, you shouldn't be the CIA director.

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Yeah, no, he, he voted communist twice.

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Because he's a sack of filth.

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So because of the Andrew McCabe news, Alex is just ranting about all his standard enemies,

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but John Brennan's in that bucket and he has a couple of rifts.

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He knows how to do.

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And so that's what he's doing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's all pretty boring for the most part, except for that clip at the end there,

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you hear Alex claim that Brennan voted communist twice.

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This is a wild piece of information that our country's former CIA director voted for a

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communist twice.

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In reality, John Brennan has discussed publicly how he voted for the communist party candidate

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for president in 1976, Gus Hall, but he was never a member of the party.

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In fairness, Gus Hall got over 58,000 votes in the 1976 election, and if we want to get

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petty about things, he actually beat Lyndon LaRouche, who was running on the US labor

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ticket that year.

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Regardless, it's super interesting that a guy who in his younger life would have voted

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for a non-mainstream candidate in a general election that they could eventually end up

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in charge of the CIA.

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I don't think it means anything in the larger sense, but it's pretty fascinating as trivia.

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Yeah, that is fun.

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Anyway, the reason I pulled this clip is because it's another prime example of how Alex cannot

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help himself.

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He has to embellish everything to make his narrative sound bigger and more convincing.

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There's no evidence that Brennan voted communist twice, but the fact that he voted communist

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once just doesn't do it for Alex.

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He has to take an already interesting and surprising piece of information and turn it

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into a lie by exaggerating it, because he knows his arguments suck.

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On some basic visceral level, Alex knows that you can easily write off a guy voting for

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the Communist Party once in the mid-70s as a quirk, a whim, or maybe if you feel this

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way you could call it an indiscretion of his youth if he voted for the Communist Party

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twice.

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That begins to form a pattern, and Alex's argument sounds better.

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He knows he doesn't have the information to make his argument sound better, so he just

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lies.

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That's all he's doing.

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His exaggerations are such fingerprints of, like, you know your shit sucks.

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You know it's weak.

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Yup.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Commune me once.

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Shame on you.

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Yup.

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Commune me twice.

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I am the evil CIA director who is coming after Trump.

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Yup.

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So Alex has Steve on.

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Steve Pechenik, my boy, comes in.

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He's not my boy.

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Stop it.

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Stop it.

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So Alex has Steve come in, and of course it's all just kind of like, bar's got to go.

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He does reveal that -

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Now that you bring it up, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve did vote for Lyndon LaRouche.

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He probably did.

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He was probably working with LaRouche in Reagan's fucking cabinet.

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Might have been.

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Might have been.

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He probably would say he was.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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I am Lyndon LaRouche, yes.

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He does reveal that Daniel Ellsberg, releasing the Pentagon Papers, was a limited hangout.

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Of course.

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That was CIA -

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What else is Forrest Gump doing now?

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I wanted to cut clips of that, but it is just way too long of a ramble, and I can just tell

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you he said it, and now we can move on.

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The rest of it is largely just Bill Barr sucks, he's got to go, and whatever.

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I don't care.

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I'm with you.

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But the way they start the interview is Alex presents this as like, Trump is listening,

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so give him your message.

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Sure.

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So with the balance of the hour, Dr. Steve Pechenik joins us, and I know you'll get

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into the whole history of it in the background, but there's a good chance Trump will end

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up seeing at least five minutes of this.

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He calls it the clips, and people bring it to him, I'll just leave it at that.

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What is your just quick synopsis in five minutes, Dr. Pechenik, I know the president knows who

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you are in your background, the things you've done in different agencies and things, as

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a private citizen, what is your five-minute synopsis for the president?

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Five-minute synopsis of the president is very simple.

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Number one, William Barr has to go.

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I said it a year ago.

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The reason for it, not only has he really insulted the president and said an inappropriate

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thing, that the president can't in fact tweet and interfere with the Department of Justice,

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he can do whatever he wants.

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That's the point.

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Okay.

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So maybe some of this is coming from Steve, maybe some of Alex's, like, Barr is turned

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on, maybe some of that's coming, who cares?

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All this is just whatever.

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I wonder what he's saying on, we're recording this on Sunday, I wonder what is, as somebody

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had to have explained to him between Friday and Sunday, anybody, his children, Dan?

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His employees don't know shit.

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Yeah, but his kids are smart enough to, well, maybe not.

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I imagine that Rex, in between being told very weird, sexist information, is like, hey

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dad, this is a smart move.

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I think anybody who is interviewing Gavin McGinnis and is excited about it, maybe doesn't

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get it.

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That's possible.

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That's possible.

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So Alex is interviewing Steve, but that doesn't stop him from taking some breaks to sell,

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to sell some shit.

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This is Texas A&M, 2007, and it's Homeland Security, it's the Department of the Army

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headquarters, United States Special Operations Command, and it's all the letters right here.

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We can show TV viewers.

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And this is the nano silver that we have put out by one of the top companies in the world,

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American Biotech Labs, LLC.

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And this is the silver that the Pentagon found with the wound gel and all that we private

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label was the best for taking out all sorts of bacteria and viruses, including the SARS

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family that is the coronavirus.

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And I'm not saying it's a panacea or a silver bullet, though it is silver.

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It's one of the best silver systems you'll find.

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We sold out of the 16 ounce.

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We have the one ounce and three ounce left.

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That is selling out quickly.

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It also funds the Infowars.

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So get yours today.

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It's for topical.

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You can also ingest it, infowarsstore.com, consult your physician obviously, because

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even though it's approved for that, you still need to find out what's happening personally

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in your own life.

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You got to find out what's going on personally in your own life.

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You got to, you got to first repair your relationship with your wife and then take the...

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At the end there, Alex is saying it's approved for that.

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And he's specifically talking about the gargle.

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So now he's implying that there is FDA approval for this immune gargle.

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And what you end up seeing here is really like, I've seen a progression of Alex testing

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the waters, no consequences happening, and it just getting more explicit the lies that

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he's telling about the silver product.

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And I mean, I don't know if there's ever going to be any consequences for it, but I mean,

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eventually he's just going to be saying crazy shit.

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He's just going to be making factual claims that aren't true because he'll be able to

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get away with it.

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Well, there's two things that I think he's thinking of, which is one, Trump's agencies

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are not going to care.

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It seems unlikely.

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Unless he directs them to, which is totally legal.

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And two, he must be stoked that Jim Baker is getting all of that attention because if

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anybody is going to be...

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That'll hog up all the regulation.

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Alex gets to go under the radar, sell it as evenly and as inexplicably as he likes and

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Jim Baker is going to be the one who gets sucked over for it.

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I didn't look into this, but it might be a completely different product that Jim Baker

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is selling.

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Like that might be just the colloidal silver as opposed to the nano silver, whatever the

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case.

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Like, I mean, I get really self-conscious about like, I don't fully understand a lot

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of the laws.

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You know?

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I'm like, am I suggesting that Alex is out of line when he is not?

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And then I realized like, no, I found very specific cases where the FDA has told like

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Dr. Rima Labo to stop doing exactly what Alex is doing now.

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So it's a, it's all, I mean, who knows?

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We'll see if any consequences come, but, and I, I, I'm on this weird position because like

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some people have reached out and been like, are you going to tell the FTC, are you going

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to?

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No, I'm, I'm not going to, but I also don't care if other people do.

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Yeah.

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Generally speaking, I have such a non-engagement policy with Alex, but like if other people

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are going to take the information that we're putting out and act on it, nothing I can do

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about that.

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I'm not going to not cover this for fear of like someone might, but if there were a situation

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where I had good reason to believe what Alex was doing could actually hurt the people who

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are buying the supplements, then I would, then I would definitely make a report myself,

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but this hasn't crossed that line.

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It's just like unethical scam.

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Anyway, Alex gets to talking to Steve and this is really interesting to me because you

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know, the term deep state, you know what that means, right?

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Nothing.

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It means nothing.

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But in the world of info Wars, what does it mean?

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Oh yeah.

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Anybody who's secret, just fucking regular.

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Anybody in the secretary of state position.

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But they're bad.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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They're bad.

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They're working against Trump.

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Well, there are good deep staters who are working against the bad deep staters.

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He has made that.

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They're not called the deep state.

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Oh, they're called the Patriot state or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I guess they are.

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I mean, I guess our conversation here is highlighting the ambiguity.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It is always like these white shoe, uh, as Alex calls it, the, the like intelligence

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folks in the government, they all went to Harvard and what have you.

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Alex is in the skull and crossbones guys.

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He seems to be trying to reclaim the term deep state and apply it to something completely

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different.

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Obviously there was a big organic populist, deep state.

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I mean, a mom taking care of her children in the morning, making them biscuits and gravy

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is the real deep state or a cop yacht doing his job, changing old lady's tire or a doctor

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doing their job.

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That's the real deep state.

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It's just rubber meets the road.

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But obviously if the D if the corrupt elements, the deep state keep trying to start a fight

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and get the fight they want, they should pray for Donald Trump's success.

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America's so awake now.

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The military so awake, everybody I know, so awake and they don't want to go out and start

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having a civil war.

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But if the communists and the Democrats and the Bernie Sanders, the world think they're

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going to have this big, happy hunting ground in America, it's not going to go the way I

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did in Russia or other places.

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He's going to kill the ground.

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How much danger they're in.

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Can you speak to that?

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If things were to go into a civil war, I don't see it going well for the other side.

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There won't be a civil war.

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Number one, there aren't enough people on the democratic of the socialist side.

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Bernie Sanders will probably win, but as I've said a long time ago, and I've heard Bernie,

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you have to be a multimillionaire to be able to say you're a socialist or a communist.

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I've never met any communist or socialist who was not a multimillionaire.

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I'm here.

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Hello.

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You should meet a lot of people.

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Hi Steve.

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You want to look through the, uh, I'm not even a thousand there.

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You want to meet some of the people in the, uh, the DSA roles, or what do you want to

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do?

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What do you want to do?

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Steve?

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I am a negative thousands there.

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The, um, the thing I really love about that club and probably the only reason I kept it

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in is because of Alex is like, there's going to be a civil war, Steve, like there's not

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going to be a fucking civil war.

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And his, his reasoning is just the left can't put up enough numbers.

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Just the slapping down of some of like Alex's most basic fear narratives is hilarious.

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The real deep state is the moms and the cops making biscuits and graze biscuits and graze.

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That's the deep stage changing an old lady's tire.

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If that's the real deep state, then the evil version of the deep state would be a cop popping

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someone's tire.

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Oh, do you mean the real cops?

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I don't know.

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It's all silly.

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So Steve, um, how is like to have at least one really insane thing that he says, uh,

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per disappoints.

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And here is that one.

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He's talking about the, uh, the education department in the United States.

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And to his credit, he does say that there should be better education.

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Good on you, Steve.

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Okay.

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He has an interesting recommendation that I actually also agree with him on shoot Devos

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into space.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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She doesn't come up.

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Um, but he has, he has a recommendation that I agree with, but Alex should hit him for,

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and I will mandate that every young person has to serve our country.

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Not necessarily in war, but I don't care where their service is, but like Israel, you will

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serve us for two years.

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I would re-institute a service to this country and thank you for Chanix, tbsc.com.

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Powerful interview.

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I hope the president listens to you.

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So who has also, yeah, Dan, there was somebody in specific, I remember who advocated for

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just something similar to that.

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See Jordan, it's really interesting that when you listen to Alex for long enough, it just

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becomes a farce.

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Yeah.

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Everything is internally inconsistent.

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Nothing means anything and things that were once seen as the words of villains expressing

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their evil plans are now the wise guidance of heroes.

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You hope the president puts into motion in that clip, Steve is saying that when he takes

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over the department of education, he would make all youths do two years of compulsory

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service to the country, not necessarily to the military, but in service to the country.

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This is legitimately one of the first things that Alex covered in the Obama deception.

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The idea that Obama's chief of staff were on the manual had written a book called the

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plan selling big ideas for America, which proposed that all Americans between the ages

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of 18 and 25 would do three months of some form of community service.

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Steve wants them to do eight times that much service.

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In the Obama deception and in Alex's narrative sense, Rom's plan was clear proof of Obama

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trying to create the Obama youth, his own gigantic team of indoctrinated young persons

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who would do his bidding.

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That was his plan.

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It takes three months.

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Naturally in the film, the argument was accompanied by shots of young black men in ROTC exercises,

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the drive home, the racism that was behind this narrative, but let's not get bogged down

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on that very obvious aspect of the narrative.

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Alex never thought that the act of suggesting some kind of mandatory community service was

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the same thing as creating the Obama youth, because if he did, he would have the same

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response to Steve suggesting a more severe version of what Rom proposed.

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This was never sincere.

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It was always just a cheap way Alex could attack Obama and a way he could stoke racist

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fears in his audience that they already had about a black president.

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Not only is the president black, he's also creating a gigantic army of young black men.

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Get scared.

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It's an easy way to get away with this sort of shit and this case is a really good example

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of why, because if you really listen, it does make a lot of sense to explore some kind of

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mandatory public service program for the country and not just for the country's sake, but also

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for all the individual citizens.

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The experience of volunteering at a soup kitchen or cleaning up a forest can be transformative

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for people and a lot of times, folks need a little push to do things that benefit themselves

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as well as the larger society.

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Because this is an intuitively pretty decent idea, it doesn't sound nuts for Steve to be

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suggesting it and unless you've listened to Alex for years and actually paid attention,

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you'd never remember that this was a major talking point of his anti-Obama coverage,

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that he was going to enslave your children.

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Clearly a philosophical opposition to mandatory public service isn't what was motivating Alex's

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coverage of Rom.

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Whoa, what?

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Yeah.

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So that raises the question, what was it?

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Oh, well, I mean, he was black.

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Right.

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The end.

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Yes.

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Why is it so hard for everybody to just be like, Obama was black.

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The end.

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But that's what allowed the narrative sort of traction, but it was also easy.

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It's also an easy thing to attend.

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That is what this all is, especially now in the light of this, is it's so easy for these

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people.

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It's just so easy.

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Yeah.

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It's hard.

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I think some of that's the case for anti-Trump rhetoric too, though.

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Oh, for sure.

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Absolutely.

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I think there are parties who are guilty of similar... I don't remember any specifics

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of people who did this, but I'm positive they did.

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What we talked about earlier, the idea that when he came in during the transition, firing

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the attorney.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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I'm positive that there were people who pointed to that and was like, look at this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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When it's a normal part of a transition, that is the same thing in terms of like, that's

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easy.

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That's an easy thing to do.

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Agree.

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The same way Alex is like, oh, Rom wants people to do mandatory service.

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It's easy.

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It's an easy narrative to build.

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I think what frustrates me for those easy narratives is if we want on the left an easy

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narrative, we have 10 million of them that he has provided us instantly.

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If you want an easy narrative, he came into office violating the emoluments clause.

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Done.

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Bingo.

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If you want another easy narrative, it's that he stole the election.

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If you want another easy narrative, we can just do one.

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We can just do one and repeat it over and over and over again.

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Instead, everybody has to talk about the new du jour thing that he's criming.

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That's why he's getting away with his crimes.

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It's too much.

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It's too much.

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I agree with you.

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We now say goodbye to Steve.

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Now that he has made this very rational suggestion that Alex should punch him for, we now get

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another guest.

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Oh, no.

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I might have just ignored this guest, except we said a couple of really stupid things.

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Also, Alex does his introduction along with You Belong to the City.

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We always need some nice tasty grooves.

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Is it Sexmaster6969?

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Is that what we're...

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No.

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Is he a YouTuber?

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This guy's not a Satanist, but these grooves are sick.

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Okay.

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God, saxophone is amazing.

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Ivan Rakelin is a former Green Beret and formerly working with the Defense Intelligence Agency.

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He's also a recovering lawyer, as he calls him.

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He joins us to talk about a whole host of subjects.

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So we got Ivan Rakelin coming on.

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We got Ivan Rakelin.

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I've never heard of this guy.

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Not Ivan Reitman, the director.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Okay.

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I've never heard of this guy, and Alex is introducing him as a guy who's with the Defense

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Intelligence Agency as a, that's a, that'd be a legitimate kind of thing.

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Well, he is a recovering lawyer.

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True.

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Haha, funny.

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I'm not sure if I necessarily believe that this guy, Ivan Rakelin, was ever employed

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by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

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That's something that is bio claims that Alex is reading, but in the world of Infowars,

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I've learned that oftentimes claims of working in intelligence are not to be taken at face

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value.

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No.

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In 2018, Ivan was a guest on the John Bachelor Show podcast.

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In his bio, he doesn't mention working for the DIA.

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However, there is this bit, quote, Ivan holds a BA in Russian, Spanish, Russia, and East

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European studies, a JD, and attended the MS in strategic intelligence program at the Defense

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Intelligence Agency.

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Okay.

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Now that phrasing is interesting.

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It's a little bit different than saying you worked for the DIA.

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It is a little bit.

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It's a little bit different.

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For one, the Russian and Spanish degrees, as well as the JD, the lawyer degree, those

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are stated as degrees that he completed.

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He holds those degrees.

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Conversely, it just says that he attended the MS in strategic intelligence program,

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which tends to imply that he never completed it.

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So also the MS in strategic intelligence, that's a master's of science degree, which

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would be conferred by a school, generally speaking.

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You can get that degree at a bunch of schools, a quick Google search finds programs available

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at Northeastern, Georgetown, St. Louis University, among others.

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But here's the thing.

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The Defense Intelligence Agency is not an academic entity.

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It doesn't make sense to claim that you have a degree from the DIA since they're not a

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degree-granting institution.

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He also has a degree of the hard knocks, Dan.

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I guess.

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The correct version of this claim would be to say that you have a master's in science

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in strategic intelligence from the National Intelligence University, which is a school

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that's meant to prepare people for work in organizations like the Defense Intelligence

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Agency.

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That is where he would get the degree or he would have got it at another establishment

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of higher learning.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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This kind of leads me not to trust this piece of Ivan's backstory.

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I have no idea though.

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Maybe he just botched his bio, but that doesn't seem like something an intelligence professional

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would do.

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I have no idea.

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Disinformation is sometimes important for enemies and allies, Dan.

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Have you been reading up on QAnon?

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That's a way that QAnon rationalizes being wrong all the time.

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Misinformation is part of the plan.

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Yeah, no.

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That's like Sun Tzu level.

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That's art of war shit, man.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Q is Sun Tzu.

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It rhymes.

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Q, Sun Tzu.

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What about you?

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I think you solved it.

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I think you solved the puzzle.

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That makes Trump Confucius?

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No.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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While some pieces of Ivan's story is a little murky, some pieces are a little clearer.

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He's probably most notable publicly for trying to run for Tim Kaine's Senate seat in Virginia

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in the 2018 midterm elections.

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Ivan had gauged the viability of his campaign by doing a 1776 mile run through all the towns

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and cities in Virginia back in August 2017.

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All right.

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Apparently that went well, so he decided to throw his hat into the ring.

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Ultimately, he was denied inclusion from the ballot for the Republican primary with the

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Virginia GOP saying that he failed to gather the required number of signatures.

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Ivan claimed that he had enough signatures and he was being kept off the ballot for some

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unknown political reason.

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According to the Richmond Times Dispatch, the Virginia Republican Party contacted Ivan on

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his Facebook page, which seems a little weird.

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Seems like communications like this might be appropriate somewhere else maybe.

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I have no idea.

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Phone call.

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Anyway, they contacted him saying, quote, unfortunately many of the signatures collected

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in the 9th congressional district were not valid and for that reason you were disqualified.

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Odds are this isn't an issue of fraud or anything like that.

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It's likely that a ton of signatures he got were fake names or non-registered voters,

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so they wouldn't make it past the verification step that the party goes through when putting

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people on a ballot.

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So you know, to get on the ballot in Virginia, you have to gather 10,000 signatures, but

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more importantly, you have to have 400 from each of the 11 districts in the state.

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It's entirely possible that he had over 10,000 total signatures, but like 450 in the 9th

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district and 100 of them were bogus, and that'll end up getting you disqualified right there.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So that's probably along the lines of what happened.

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Right.

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Anyway, Ivan decided to sue the Virginia Republican Party, a suit he would end up losing.

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Things got a little bit ugly, with Ivan claiming that the party had told him to just go vote

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for another candidate, which prompted the Virginia GOP to release a statement saying

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he was full of shit.

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They didn't use that kind of old English, but that was their main point.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So while Ivan was going through all this, it just so happened to be around the same

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time that Alex went to DC to do that press conference of his.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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And that press conference is so inconsequential in hindsight that I really don't remember

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what the goal of it was.

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No clue.

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I think it was about Alex getting sued and maybe kicked off Facebook.

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Was that what it was?

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I don't know.

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I think it's usually about Facebook.

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In some way or another.

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I can't remember exactly what it was.

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But our friend Jared Holt over at Right Wing Watch was there, and there's an interesting

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blurb in his article that he wrote about going to the event.

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Quote, Ivan Reiklin, who's seeking election to the Senate in Virginia and has earned the

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endorsement of Mike Flynn Jr., stopped Jones near the vacant press pit, handed him a business

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card and asked if he could speak in front of the assembled crowd.

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Shortly afterward, Jones introduced him on stage.

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Reiklin told the crowd that contrary to reports, he had actually earned enough signatures to

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run in the Republican primary, but Republican Party officials had unfairly disqualified

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him.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Great.

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It appears that this is where the two men's paths first crossed, and they met.

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And Alex not knowing this guy at all, he just let him get up and speak.

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I can't believe that.

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At which point he complained about not getting on the ballot.

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I can absolutely believe that.

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Ivan's speech was followed up by Jerome Corsi giving a speech that included this line, quote,

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QAnon is military intelligence and close to Trump.

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Hey, there we go.

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Because back then Corsi was trying to write a book about QAnon.

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Loved it.

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He loved it.

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Loved Q.

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It's hard to remember these things.

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There's so many different narratives that contradict each other that shouldn't, that

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they just keep coming up.

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Yeah.

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It is a bummer.

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But him speaking before Corsi defending QAnon might've been foreshadowing.

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Because in August 2019, Raw Story reported on a conference that was being organized to

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raise money for Mike Flynn's defense that had a real heavy QAnon overlap.

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The organizer had posted a ton about Q on Twitter.

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The conference's logo was just a US flag with the stars rearranged to form a Q. Speakers

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included Q weirdos like Bill Mitchell and Joy Villa.

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And one of the other speakers, you guessed it, Ivan Rankler.

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There we are.

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Yeah.

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Hey.

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It's clear that Ranklin did serve in the National Guard.

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I can find evidence of that.

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As of 2010, he was a captain in the Guard.

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And I don't have any reason to necessarily doubt his claims that he was a Green Beret,

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but a lot of the other stuff in his bio just doesn't sit right with me.

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A lot of it seems pretty dubious.

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The Defense Intelligence Agency, particularly.

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Yeah.

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Oh, also in 2015, he tried to kickstart a documentary about Vladimir Putin called Putin

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15 years riding the Russian bear.

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The cover of which is just a shot of Putin shirtless.

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Oh, I would have gone with Putin on the Ritz.

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Oh, that's good.

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That's not a bad talk.

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I watched the trailer for his documentary and I read a press release that he put out

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trying to raise funds.

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And honestly, I have no idea what the angle on the film was.

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I don't know if it's pro Putin.

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I don't know if it's anti Putin.

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I don't know if it's neutral.

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I have no idea.

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He's just a bear.

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You're riding a bear.

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Anyway.

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Anyway, all of this stuff is irrelevant.

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Ivan's just on the show today because he tweeted the Trump should pardon Roger Stone.

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That got Alex's attention.

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So here we are.

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Kind of know him.

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Anyway, here's the intro to the the interview, which is bad news.

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Thanks for joining us.

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I see you're there in your car, probably somewhere in Virginia or something.

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Not a great start to this interview.

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Ivan is skyping in from his car here in the car.

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Are you driving right now?

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Because that's safe.

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That's almost like Alex being like, what are you doing?

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Yeah.

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What are you doing?

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Well, I can't leave my dog in here and I was going to go to Target, but you called me a

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little quick.

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I'm in the middle of errands, but I thought I'd fuck around with you a little bit about

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how Roger Stone should be pardoned.

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Well, Alex, I've been living here about three weeks and it's mainly due to the wonderful

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and perfect economic policies put together by.

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Well, Alex, I don't have an office and my wife won't let me call fascists at home, but

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how are you doing?

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Car is pretty cool.

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I like that cop.

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No, you will not call fascists in this house.

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How dare you?

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I am the primary moneymaker here.

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Honey, are you calling fascist again?

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We had a conversation about this.

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Yeah.

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It seems like so anyway, it's mostly just about how like you need to pardon Roger.

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Trump needs to pardon Roger did nothing wrong.

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All this.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And then also he really specifically wants to talk about Mike Flynn getting let off the

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charges.

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Yeah.

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And some of this has to do with like, there's a clear association with him and Mike Flynn.

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I'm not entirely sure what it is.

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Mike Flynn's son, Mike Flynn Jr. endorsed him when he ran for that Senate seat.

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Sure.

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And you know, the, that conference that he spoke at, there was QAnon adjacent also was

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in order to raise money for Mike Flynn, his defense fund.

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There's some sort of a connection there, but I honestly can't be bothered to figure it

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out.

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I don't really care.

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But they get to talking about like the democratic race, right?

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And Ivan, he speculates that if Bernie runs Tulsi Gabbard, it's probably going to be his

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running mate.

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Sure.

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Sorry.

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Sorry for the laughter.

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I apologize for the, for laughing at Tulsi Gabbard who refused to condemn a fucking Syrian

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war crimes.

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Sure.

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Apologies.

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So that's one thing that he speculates about and like you can laugh at that, but I don't

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really care to deconstruct it.

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Like it's not really interesting.

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No interest.

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His theories about Bloomberg on the other hand, far more interesting.

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Love it.

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If it's Bloomberg, we have to take a look and see the biggest indicator of my hypothesis

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being accurate is that if Hillary Clinton takes her residency and moves it from New

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York to Arkansas or elsewhere, that's going to be the biggest indicator that she's going

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to be the running mate with Bloomberg.

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Because if you look at Bloomberg,

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You can't have two people from the same, explain that you can't have two people from the same

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district.

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Right.

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According to the constitution.

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I can't, I can't cite the exact same state.

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You cannot have that.

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So the president and the vice president really representatives in the constitution of two

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different states.

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So if he says Illinois or Arkansas, you know, it's done deal.

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Oh yeah.

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It's a done deal.

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She's going to jump in the race immediately after the comment.

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It might surprise you to learn that noted constitutional scholar, Alex Jones and his

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defense intelligence agency guests are completely wrong about the constitution.

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I don't, they know the constitution, you scream about it all the time, just read it.

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Fuck.

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They're just making shit up to have fun speculating about how they might get to yell about Hillary

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Clinton again.

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That's insane.

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So this is just a very basic, uh, misunderstanding of article two of the constitution, which

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says quote, the electors, uh, shall meet in the respective states and vote by ballot for

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two persons of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.

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It's important to understand that until 1804 members of the electoral college would vote

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for two candidates and the top vote getter would be president and the runner up would

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be vice president.

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And that's why we had so many great, wonderful presidents until 1804, Thomas Jefferson loved

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his time.

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So after that point, the process changed and now electors vote separately for president

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and vice president, which is to say that just because in 2016 Hillary was running with Tim

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Caine, that doesn't mean that every elector who votes for her for president has to vote

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for Caine for vice president.

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This actually happened in the 2016 election.

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There was an elector in Texas who voted for Mike Pence for vice president, but Ron Paul

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for president.

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This is kind of rare, but it does happen from time to time because they vote separately.

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In the constitution, the rule is that electors could not cast both their votes for candidates

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from the same state.

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So if I were an elector, I could cast a vote for someone from Illinois, but my other vote

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would have to go to a candidate from another state.

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This was a rule designed to lessen the influence of larger states and to encourage folks not

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to just vote for their local allies.

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This became a bit of a talking point during the 2016 GOP primary because Jeb Bush and

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Marco Rubio were both from Florida and Ted Cruz and Rick Perry were both from Texas.

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A lot of these shallow analysis and misinformed talk led people to believe that these combos

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of president and vice president could not happen, but that wasn't true.

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In reality, the conversation was that it would be super unwise for these combos to happen

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and here's why.

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If Bush and Rubio teamed up, all of Florida's electors could vote for Bush for president,

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but they could not vote for Rubio also for vice president.

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And the same would hold true for Cruz and Perry in Texas.

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If these dudes won by gigantic margins, it really wouldn't matter too much, but if it

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were a close race, this could be a huge problem since Florida has 29 electoral votes and Texas

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has 38.

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You'd never want to field either of these tickets since you'd essentially be playing

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at a severe disadvantage and risk the possibility of electing Bush or Cruz while Tim Kaine ends

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up getting the most votes for VP and that would be fucking weird.

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In terms of the current day, it's fair to assume that the Democratic Party would not

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want to have a presidential candidate and vice president from New York since they have

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29 electoral votes and that would introduce some issues.

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So what's interesting here is that the phenomenon that Alex and Ivan are discussing is kind

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of real, but they have literally no idea what they're talking about.

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They think the Constitution doesn't allow people from the same state to run on the same

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ticket, which is absolutely not true.

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However, behind that, their assertion that if Hillary were to somehow make herself from

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Arkansas now, it would be an indication that she's angling to not block electoral voting

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restrictions for her being Bloomberg's VP.

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There you go.

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Kind of makes sense.

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It does.

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I'm not sure what the official rules are about changing your home state, but I don't think

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it would work in this case for Hillary.

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She's established for years that her primary residence is in Chappaqua, New York.

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She was a senator from New York and I don't know if she can be like, whoops, I'm actually

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a resident of Arkansas and then everyone's going to be like, okay, cool.

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If it would, then why would like, anybody could just flout the rules of the electoral

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college by having two homes?

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Yeah.

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Like what?

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I mean, I don't think it even, I don't think anybody, okay.

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That was back whenever it took a long time to move.

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Like they wrote that in there because it would take six weeks to move from fucking New York

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to Florida.

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I don't think anybody cares about that just because all of our politicians are from a

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million different states and they all move around all the time.

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Everybody knows that they'll move somewhere if they want to run in a better or more like

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fucking favorable place or none of it means anything.

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I tried to look into it and I couldn't find like the specific regulations about like requirements

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for your home state and stuff.

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Most of it all just comes down to like you have to have lived in the United States for

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14 years, like residency requirements like that.

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I don't know what the cut and dry issue of it is, but I really don't think that Hillary

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could get around being from New York at this point.

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But even as far as that goes, like she would probably, if you want to have this conversation,

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you wouldn't use Arkansas, you wouldn't use Illinois.

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You would say that she would change to being a resident of DC since the Clintons have an

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estate there where she lived when she was in office.

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That's a much easier sell if you're trying to be like, okay, she's going to say that

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she lives in DC.

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That's what you would do.

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God, they want Hillary so bad because she's the easiest.

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Everyone hates her now, everyone.

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Like not even like Democrats didn't like her, but we still voted for her, but now everybody

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hates her.

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A Bloomberg Hillary ticket would be like the most alienating from getting out the vote

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from that perspective.

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Oh yeah.

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Like I think some of the most, like the analysis that makes the most sense to me is like this

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is an election where you're not changing minds.

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There's not people you need to sway to your side.

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It's about energizing and getting people out to actually vote.

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And Bloomberg and Hillary would not get people out.

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Oh no, no, no.

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I'd be out canvassing for my two favorite candidates for president.

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That's a ticket that would actually get people who would be otherwise inclined to vote to

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not vote.

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Oh yeah, no.

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I think we would have more people leave the United States than vote in that election because

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that's fucked up.

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And I think, I think that there are people who are running, who are, you know, on this,

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on the spectrum of, you know, energizing to not energizing, not energizing being mostly

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Biden.

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Yeah.

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But like there are people along that scale.

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And I think, I think if there is worse than Biden, it's Bloomberg and Hillary.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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That's amazing.

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That's almost the only way you could get less interesting.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I don't know.

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I think that's the mark of a Hillary ticket.

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Your point does stand though.

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They're like, they desperately want Hillary to run.

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And that's why you see like drudge headlines about like, Hillary's going to be Bloomberg's

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VP, which is why this conversation is happening to begin with.

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There was a drudge story about that?

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God.

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Larger point though.

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Like these dudes think that it's in the constitution.

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You can't have a VP and a president from the same state.

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They don't know what they're talking about.

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They're so stupid.

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It's all dumb.

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Learn how to read the document you scream about all the time.

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So I should point out that Ivan is a recovering lawyer.

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So he knows the law.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he was ever a good lawyer to begin with.

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So Ivan leaves and Alex has another guest that we're not even going to cover because

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who cares?

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It's not a worthwhile interview.

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It's unfortunate because it has the potential to be like something real explosive.

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Oh, is it chess master seven, seven, seven?

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It is not.

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It is Tyler Nixon, who is Roger Stone's personal attorney.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I know him.

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Not personally.

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I'm not going to say like, this is all bullshit, but of course, super close association with

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Roger.

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He can't do too much partial juror, but it's also a point he can't, he can't go far enough

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to make it interesting.

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And it's meaning calling for the murder of people.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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It's just a bland ass interview.

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And so we only have a couple more clips here of Alex talking about some, some other news

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because also Tyler Nixon, apparently I think his phone didn't work.

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So Alex had to vamp for awhile.

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He plays a couple of special reports and covers a couple of headlines that he's ill-prepared

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to cover.

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Here's one of them.

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This is the most offensive thing I've ever heard of the shit, man, get the fuck out of

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here.

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Is this real?

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Look at these articles.

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The OJ, this is a soft cable, not face criminal charges, giant billboard in London.

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Encourages women to cheat on their Osmonds.

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Hell yeah.

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It's like aliens are trying to hack the planet.

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First of all, I disrespect your, uh, your, your hatred of country music.

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No, no, no.

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I do not hate country music.

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That sucks.

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You don't like talking about hanging out with Willie and Whelan and the boys.

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That song sucks.

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That song is shit.

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You're disrespecting my, uh, so, uh, Alex talks there at the end, that billboard encouraging

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a woman to cheat.

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Yeah.

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Fuck.

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And the headline is being like, it's a thing where he's offended at this notion of like

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cheating on your spouse being encouraged.

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Right?

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That's, that's the way he's trying to like, how dare anyone cheat on their spouse, Dan?

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Well, Jordan, there's an important detail that might be motivating his coverage that

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he's leaving out.

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This billboard says, quote, married to one man, but fantasizing about others, you need

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to try Evita.com.

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I guess he could be mad about that if he wants, but I don't remember him making a big deal

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out of all the Ashley Madison billboards that have popped up over the years.

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So maybe there's something else going on when he was on Ashley Madison, Alex is actually

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just mad because this billboard, along with that text includes a picture of Trump and

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Melania, but Melania is looking lovingly away from Trump and towards Justin Trudeau.

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That's hilarious.

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That's very funny.

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That's very fun.

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Alex isn't mad about infidelity.

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He's just mad at this billboard, making a joke at Trump's expense.

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That's almost annoying because shouldn't it be Trump looking at all of his other wives?

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That's an easier way to go.

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I would do that one.

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So Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about this on Infowars and it's the saddest shit

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in the world.

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Quote, with divorce rates and depression at all time highs and birth rates, surely what

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Western countries need is websites, encouraging women to cheat on their partners, untold pain

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and suffering and the breakup of relationships, unreal.

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That article ends quote, wanting to take care of your spouse in the context of a happy,

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stable monogamous marriage is bad, but wanting to be a whore and stab your husband in the

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back is apparently something to be celebrated.

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Paul, I think you're taking this a little personally, buddy.

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I think, I think there's some personal history there.

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These dudes are so weak that they just can't admit that this billboard makes them very

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angry because they can't stand to see their King made fun of.

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So they have to hide behind this nonsense about untold pain and suffering and encouraging

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the downfall of civilization.

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It's hilarious, but it's honestly also pretty sad.

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It is pathetic.

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We have one last clip and it's Alex just saying something that is absolutely unacceptable

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on any level and inaccurate.

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You've got to admire people that are true to their cause.

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Rashida Tlaib and others, I mean, they really came to America from their squalid third world

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hell holes where women had no power as assassins of Stockholm syndrome to conquer us because

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of our open hearts.

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Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit.

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No, she's not from here.

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Have you seen the color of her shirt?

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It seems like Alex is operating on that level.

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No, it's her shirt colors that are really throwing them around.

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So anyway, Alex is a bit of a racist here towards the end of this.

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Anyway, look, dude, this episode was, was rangy.

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It was all over the place.

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I think like when I told you at the beginning of this episode, like you get to see these

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different stages over this course of three days, like none of this is coherent.

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You have the first day on the 12th, Alex is rambling about murder and just being like

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high on the hog because Trump is going to come to the defense of Roger and it means

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that he's clearing house and all these globalists are going to go and all of this.

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And then the 13th comes and, you know, he's kind of settling in and like, we're going

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to get Roger this retrial because of the jurors and then he gets mad at his, his lawyer friend.

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Well, the 14th bill Barr has come out and done his face saving interview and now Alex

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has got to turn things around, flip the script on bar.

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And I just think all of this is, it's just so incoherent listening to it as a, as a,

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as a wild experience.

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It's like the thing that I come to from the end of this after going through this whole

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roller coaster of it, this is, this is such like Twitter trolling.

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This is so much of just this random nonsense being tossed about often ridiculously violent,

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always incoherent.

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And it's just that hallmark of, of the world that we live in with this, with the hard right.

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And it's, I honestly feel like Twitter trolling has more of an intention behind it.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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That's Alex just seems untethered.

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Yeah.

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It's just, it's just, he's just lashing out and the content of his show, the narratives

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that he puts out are so dependent on whatever he's lashing out to, whatever the stimulus

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is that he's mad at, or he's responding to dictate the entire world that he presents

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to his audience.

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And it's deeply unfair.

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It's not fair to not allow your audience to have a consistent thread of reality other

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than we have shadowy, unnamed, mysterious bad guys that Trump needs to murder.

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I think, I think one thing that is, is very clear about this is that we are incapable

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of handling how we are incapable of handling the way these people lash out.

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It is simply like this type of shit.

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Like it's so terrifying to listen to the, that first day's episode of him calling for

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murder.

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And then like, that's terrifying.

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And then the next day it's just, Oh, William Barr is bad.

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You know, like he was just lashing out like a child having a tantrum.

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And it's hard not to take that seriously because he has such a high platform in the same way

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with the reactionary right wing going after whomever.

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And it's just them lashing out.

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And because we're so used to accepting their behavior as being something we should talk

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about, we're covering lashing out as if it was real.

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Like it's so frustrating to me.

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How many times have I opened the fucking guardian and seen them cover some headline?

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And it's like, Oh, that's just a child lashing out.

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Don't give that attention.

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Yeah.

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We're giving that attention.

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Well, I mean, I think it's something we talked about a lot, like in the earlier days of the

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show was this, this sort of feeling of like adults have to show up eventually like there

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needs to be adults dealing with this and adults weren't showing up and the realization set

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in gradually.

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They're like, Nope, that's not going to happen.

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They're not coming.

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And now it's like, it almost, you need parents like it's transcended or escalated from just

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like we need adults in the room to like really calm this shit down and settle it.

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And now the kids and the childish, petulant behavior is kind of running things.

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It's the only thing that's being rewarded.

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And what you're describing that like, don't, don't reward this tantrum with behavior is

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exactly a parenting strategy.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, exactly.

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That's what we're dealing with.

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And that's unfortunate.

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And I don't know how you do that because you start acting like a child or acting like a

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parent towards other adults.

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And generally that puts them in a position where they end up precipitating the exact

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same thing you're trying to stop them from doing.

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I don't, I don't know if there's an easy answer, but I mean, to me, kind of what I'm, what

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I'm taking is it's time to just like ignore.

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I mean, I've said this before, but it's really like, we just can't involve them in the conversation.

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They just can't be, we can't talk about what it is they have to say.

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I don't give a shit what Kellyanne Conway has to say.

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She's not involved in the conversation.

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You mean she doesn't get to be in the news.

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Right.

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The end.

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You have to be clear though.

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It's specific people based on their behavior.

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Absolutely.

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Not people who have conservative politics or Kellyanne Conway doesn't get, you don't

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get to talk to her.

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She's gone.

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That's the, the based on behavior, not on class or political orientation.

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No, no, not at all.

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Just like fine.

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If you want to, if she wants to say this shit, you know what she's going to say.

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You know, she's going to blindly defend Trump with some bullshit.

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So just say that even if you're, even if you want, don't even get a comment from her.

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Just say Kellyanne Conway would probably defend Trump like this.

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Then move on.

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We're done.

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You enter the new era of the news, just guessing what people would say, assuming what they

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will say.

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If you ask them.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if that would work, but it's an interesting suggestion.

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So anyway, we'll be back Jordan.

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Indeed we will.

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But until then we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Uh, we'll be back.

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But until then, uh, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I am the bringer of the red storm.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.