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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're a couple dudes
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like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones, indeed
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we are Dan, Jordan, Dan, what up Jordan, do you have anything that you purchased from
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a street vendor? Like meat? Like a hot dog? No, I mean have you kept anything? You know
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like you buy shit from a street vendor but is there anything here? Anything that's stayed
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with you? No. Anything that's traveled with you? No. Any souvenirs? My house burned down
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like five years ago. Oh yeah. I lost pretty much everything I owned. Yeah, that's right.
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But even if you asked me five years ago, the answer is probably not. Yeah? You don't do
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the street vendor? I don't keep a lot of things. You don't keep a lot of things? No, and that
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was even true before the fire, except for like books, I used to have a gigantic library
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and I guess maybe some of those are like paperbacks I would buy at like a, if there was a book
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stand or something. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. But no, other than that, no I don't
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think so. I don't think, I'm not super interested in shopping, number one. Right. If I'm walking
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around and somebody's selling something, I'm not, I'm not usually even considering it for
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a moment. Okay, okay. So what was, have you bought anything actually from a street vendor?
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Not that I can think of outside of like, I think it was a street vendor when I was in
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like, I've mentioned in the past that I like, in high school I wore shiny shirts. Yes, yes.
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And an extension of that was shiny robes. I did not know that shiny robes were in play.
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They weren't really all that in play, but I liked a nice robe. And so my, some of my
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family lives in like around the San Francisco area. And so one time when we went to visit
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my aunt and my mom and I think, I don't know who else went along, but anyway, some of the
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family went to Chinatown and I got a shiny robe and that might've been a street vendor
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purchase. Interesting. Yeah. Shiny like a reflective or like sequined or like? Not sequined,
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but like, you know, it would reflect light. It had dragons on it and stuff. Okay. All
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right. All right. Now see, now that's what I wanted to get to the bottom of. I didn't
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want one of those soft robes, like a bathrobe. I wanted something really gaudy and over the
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top. So that might've been, but I don't know. That was probably when I was like 13, 14 or
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something. Yeah. You were 13 going on a 12th century courtesan. I gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, it's this podcast where I don't know a whole lot about buying things from street
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vendors, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know much about either. No. So
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I got to teach you. Yes. So Jordan, today we're in the present day still. I was hoping
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to maybe do something different, but I was called into action. Okay. All right. So we're
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going over November 13th, 2019 and I honestly think, I won't say this before we do anything.
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I think that this episode is a window in a very perfect opportunity to see a lot of different
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elements of why Alex Jones' show is a disaster and is super terrible. Just perfect encapsulations
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of many different elements. Okay. I hesitate to call this a Rosetta Stone because Alex
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calls all these fucking things Rosetta Stones. But over the course of this episode, I'm going
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to be highlighting particular behaviors that Alex engages in constantly. Yeah. I think
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they're all on amazingly public display. All right. So the 13th is when Alex commits every
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egregious error that he commits, usually one or two at a time in other episodes. Somewhat.
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I don't want to put too fine a point on it because I don't think that this is any kind
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of a unique episode. I just think that some of the illustrations of these trends and behaviors
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are really flagrant. So they provide a glimpse in much easier. So I think that this episode
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is a good encapsulation of why looking at Alex is important. It's a thesis statement.
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You don't want to pretend you know what age the wonks are. Okay, fair enough. It could
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So Jordan, we begin today a little bit differently than normal necessarily because I often don't
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play Alex's intro bumper stuff. Right, right, right, right. But in this case, the way he
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opens the show is actually different than I've heard in the past. Gentlemen, we've called
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you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government
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leading a frontal assault on the lies of the new world order. It's Alex Jones. So just
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right off the bat on the day that the public hearings for the impeachment inquiry are beginning.
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That's a real bad vibe for Alex to start off the show playing a voice saying that we're
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gathered here to overthrow the US government. That seems like a statement of purpose more
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than anything else. He doesn't normally say that, right? I have not heard that drop being
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thrown in. It might be something that he pulls out from time to time, but I don't remember
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it being a super regular thing. Yeah, as a morning zoo crew drop, that would be funny,
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but if you're Alex Jones, that's like, oh, he's literally talking to the Oath Keepers.
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Well, I suppose you could make the argument that he's saying that this is the statement
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of purpose of his enemies and he's fighting against that overthrow of the government.
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I guess you could. That's convoluted for him. Either way, it's super interesting where that
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audio comes from. This is one of the most notable early fake voice recordings spoofed
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to sound like someone else. In this case, it was designed to sound like Carl Steiner,
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the former commander in chief of the US special operations. A scientist named George Papkin,
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he took a 10-minute sample of Steiner's voice and created fake audio of him talking about
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overthrowing the US government. That fake audio was so convincing that Steiner himself
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asked for a copy of it because he's like, this is amazing. No, that's terrifying. There's
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an interesting thematic interplay happening here. Alex is trying to evoke fears of government
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overthrow in his audience, whether it's the globalists overthrowing the government and
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his audience having to fight back against it. Whatever it is, there's something he's
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doing with the fear of overthrow here. The audio that he's chosen to heighten that mood
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is specifically something that's fake. It's the product of misinformation. Whether or
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not it was benign and recreational in its construction, it's still a direct piece of
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fabrication. He chose one of the progenitors of a deep fake video.
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From the mid to late 90s. It's a very notable case of...
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That's fucking with my head because he has to know.
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He has every reason to know. He has to know that that's fake.
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Yeah, probably. It's like a whole fucking metaphor for everything
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that he does is that it's purporting to be real information that is absolutely and utterly
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fabricated. That's bananas.
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Because of the context of it being thrown in with this intro, who knows if he's trying
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to present it as if it is real. Of course.
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There is obviously a hope that some audience people will hear that and just, it'll trigger,
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we're overthrowing the US government in their mind, and then some people might know what
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it is. Who knows? I don't know what the point of it is, but it's fascinating to me that
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even Alex's intro choices are lies. Everything is...
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Somebody's winking. It must be.
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Somebody somewhere is winking. It's an interesting thing that I'm not entirely
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sure what the performance poetry is, but there's some thematic wrinkle that I'm having a difficult
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time with.
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Man, I feel like there's some sort of FOIA request that we can have that will reveal
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like 20 years of some mole on the inside planting Easter eggs of how full of shit Alex is from
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the very beginning.
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I don't know if FOIA can help with that, but maybe these lawsuits will show something.
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The impeachment inquiry has begun in the house, and Alex, of course, is just dismissive of
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that and saying, it's all poppycock.
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Yeah, that's a very popular track for the right wing to take.
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I wanted to check in on his show because of that, because I figured that that's a monumentous
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thing in the news, and Alex would have a take on it. His take is not all that interesting,
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but something else is.
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We're 355 days out from this incredibly important election, and now they have the official impeachment
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proceedings going on in the House of Representatives as we speak.
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There's already highlights of Schiff, of Congressman Nunes, the ranking Republican member.
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That is all going to be coming up today.
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Dr. Steve Pacinek, of course, has worked with the founding of Delta Force, CIA, overthrow
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of governments, really smart guy, best selling author, co-writer with Tom Clancy.
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He is going to be back on the broadcast to talk about the coup and who's behind it and
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what he expects to come next, so we're excited about that.
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Steve is back.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Refuse.
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No way.
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Love it.
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I cannot.
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No.
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Steve is back.
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No.
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Steve is back.
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What are they going to talk about?
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Holy shit.
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What don't they talk about?
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Okay.
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All right.
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I would say the headline is Steve is back.
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Back is in all capital letters.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Okay.
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I have watched a couple of videos from his YouTube channel and I was very concerned about
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his health.
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Right.
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I thought he's deteriorating.
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He seems unwell.
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Yeah.
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He's just aging.
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He's an old man.
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I'm not saying anything conspiratorial like he's secretly got X, Y, or Z going on.
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Right.
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I just thought like, oh, he's getting to be pretty old.
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His speech patterns are completely different than they are on Infowars.
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Yeah.
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I realize like, no, it's just because he's talking alone.
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He's back on the show and he sounds almost exactly like he always has.
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Oh, okay.
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He's eager for the yelling at Alex about stuff.
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Of course.
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Whereas him sitting talking into a webcam, there's no foil for him.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't have the same electricity.
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It doesn't have the oomph.
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Yeah.
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I'm kind of happy on that level because even if I hate him and I think he sucks, I still
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take no pleasure in the idea of him aging and falling apart.
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No, of course.
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It's nice to know that he's still of pretty sharp mind.
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Okay.
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What you're saying is people are still underestimating Federer after all these years, but at the
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end of the day, he's still in the top five.
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And man, Steve is like, I can't even be... Like when he came on the show in 2013 on that episode
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we heard and he declared himself in an open state of treason.
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Yes.
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That was pretty wild.
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Yeah.
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He's in that kind of shape.
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He's swinging.
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All right.
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Okay.
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We got that to look forward to.
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I like it.
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But that doesn't happen for a while because Alex has got to cover the waterfront.
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He's got to get into the news.
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Sure.
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Boo.
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So of course the impeachment stuff is, you know, it is what it is.
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It's all bullshit.
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It's a show trial.
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Who gives a shit?
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But there's a bigger story behind that and Alex knows what it is.
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But the big enchilada, exactly as we said she would do it, in fact, we've got to dig
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up the tapes from a year ago, six months ago, a week ago.
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I hit it perfectly whole in one.
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I mean, I've just got to be honest with you.
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I've just gotten inside the enemy's head.
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You can see how they would script things.
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Sure.
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Hillary loses.
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She launches all the fake Russia investigations.
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She wants to back out of those investigations.
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She's running because it shows how partisan it is and made up.
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She says she's not going to run while she collects money while she travels around the
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country while she makes more appearances and all the other candidates combined.
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While she still runs the DNC and runs those conference calls.
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And then right as the impeachment starts of Trump, she says, the people are begging me.
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They're drafting me.
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I feel a responsibility.
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Trump's so dangerous.
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I don't want to do it, but okay.
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I am.
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Well, she said that.
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She said that.
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She said she's running.
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No, she did not.
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She said she's running.
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She said she's not running.
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She specifically said, yeah, she left it open with a never say never stuff.
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But no.
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Yeah.
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And that, uh, that was something that she said when she was being interviewed on the
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BBC as part of her book tour, she was actually, she was going to run again and she replied,
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I will certainly tell you I'm under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think
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about it.
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But as of this moment, sitting here in this studio talking to you, that is absolutely
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not in my plans.
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Oh, also in March she said, quote, I'm not running.
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Yeah.
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Who knows though?
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Maybe that's secretly her saying she's running.
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I've been pretty consistent in my position that Hillary is not running, but everyone
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fucking loves talking about her running.
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People like Alex love talking about it because it riles up their base since they've created
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the perfect easy villain in Hillary.
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People out on the left love talking about it because the idea that Hillary would run
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again proves everything they say about the Dems being a stupid self-defeating party.
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A very small number of diehard Hillary folks still hanging on, uh, love talking about it
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because they think that Hillary should run again.
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Everyone gets something fun out of entertaining the idea of Hillary running, but I just don't
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think there's much reality here.
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Ah, don't forget.
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Hillary herself gets, uh, something out of, uh, there you go.
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Yeah.
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I don't think, uh, Alex could prove all the other shit he's saying about Hillary here
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either.
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I have, but who cares?
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Also why isn't Alex completely freaking out about Bloomberg running?
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Alex fucking hates Bloomberg.
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He's one of the globalists to attend to those meetings with Bill Gates, Ted Turner and Oprah.
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Why is he spending his time obsessing about the possibility that Hillary is going to run
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while ignoring the reality that Bloomberg is running?
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It's because Bloomberg doesn't really move the needle with the audience.
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Nobody likes Bloomberg.
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Making them scared of the Clinton's moves product.
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So he does it.
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If Bloomberg didn't own, uh, like access to all of these media organizations and he just
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tried to declare, I'm running for president.
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Everybody on the planet would be like, don't care.
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Just don't care.
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Stop it.
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I think a lot of people don't care as is.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But some people do and Hey, you know, it's good to pay attention to all candidates.
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They have to, they, everybody needs content.
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That's why Bloomberg.
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Yeah.
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But it's weird that that's not content for Alex.
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Oh yeah.
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He's a gigantic villain for Alex.
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Yeah.
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You know, you're right.
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Nobody gets their dick hard for Bloomberg.
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No, nobody.
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It's right up there with like, okay, he has not said a damn word about Bolivia.
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He's not said a damn word about the release of his buddy, Stephen Miller's emails.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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What is this show?
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Uh, I don't know.
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Anti heroes.
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It's fucking nonsense.
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I don't know.
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So anyway, Hillary is secretly secretly running.
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People said, why are you confronting Hillary?
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She's a has been, uh, no, she's the Democrat nominee, two thousand and 20, unless we expose
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her and get out ahead of it and put heat on her.
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She wants to be a stealth candidate with none of her corrupt past brought up till the last
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minute.
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And once they get the impeachment, they're going to say, that's the conviction.
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That's just the indictment in the House.
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And then she's going to announce, I would say, before the end of the year that she could
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change the timetable.
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But here, I mean, take it from her.
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Here she is saying she's going to retire Trump.
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She goes on to say she beat him in 2016.
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Here she is.
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Look, I feel a sense of responsibility, partly because, you know, my name was on the ballot.
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I got more votes, but ended up losing to the current incumbent in the White House, who
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I think is really undermining our democracy in very fundamental ways.
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And I want to retire him.
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I want to see him retired.
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And that's a term you use when you kill a horse, basically.
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OK.
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Alex conveniently ends that clip.
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Just the right spot.
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Yeah.
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After she says she wants to retire Trump, Hillary explains that means she'll be helping
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the Democrat side come up with the best possible plan.
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The interviewer, Emma Barnett, asks if she's going to run again.
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Hillary says, quote, no, Alex wants her to run.
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So fucking bad.
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They all do.
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Oh, so good.
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Please.
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They'd love it.
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Please, Hillary, think of think of how easy everybody's job would be if Hillary and Trump
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ran again.
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We could just read.
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Everybody would post the same columns.
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It'd be a dystopian disaster.
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They just update the dates.
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It'd be horrible.
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I like the idea of Hillary being the stealth candidate so she doesn't get any criticisms.
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So nobody does any so nobody does any background.
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Yeah.
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Nobody looks into her.
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Fuck yourself.
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No shit.
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I thought Roger Stone was telling you that was Michelle Obama.
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What is going on here?
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Who's the stealth candidate?
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Everybody's the stealth candidate.
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Whatever you need that day.
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Yep.
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So this impeachment thing is happening for various reasons.
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Some people have one perspective on it.
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Other people have a different one.
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Alex's perspective seems to be that this is all QAnon's fault.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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That works.
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That's an interesting take.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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A lot of people ask what Alex's take on QAnon is to me and I can't really answer that question.
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It's varied over time.
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A lot of the underlying theses of QAnon are things that Alex definitely supports and has
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prior to QAnon existing.
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Alex has been OK with it at some points, bitter about it at others, trying to create his own
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version of it at other times.
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But now, in 2019, in November, he seems a bit salty that they may have lost the House
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of Representatives.
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OK.
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The impeachment hearings that so many said would never come are now officially going
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on.
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And Congressman Nunes just 10 minutes ago finished up his opening statements, very powerful
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that I'm going to play in its entirety this segment and the next.
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He's the ranking Republican member on the House Intelligence Committee, was the leader
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of it.
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But everybody thought we were invincible in the 2018 midterms.
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And Q told us we didn't need to even worry about it.
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We were going to keep the House.
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Of course, we didn't.
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By the way, we're not going to just have somebody that's a shadowy thing on 4chan today.
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We've got Steve Pachannik, who did co-found Delta Force with General Schumacher and Boykin.
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What?
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So, yeah, I mean, QAnon gave a false sense of security to everybody.
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Trust the plan.
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And so they didn't feel invigorated to go and keep the house for the Republicans.
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And now we got an impeachment inquiry.
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Alex isn't going to bring you that soggy bullshit here on the show.
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No, he's got the real deal.
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He's got Steve Pachannik, a fucking craziest wingding liar this side of the Mississippi.
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Oh, boy.
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OK.
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I love that.
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All right.
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So these people are crazy.
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You have no idea how crazy.
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That's just that's.
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You wasn't real.
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None of it was real.
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Neither is Steve's backstory.
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Neither is Steve's backstory.
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None of this is real.
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Of course not.
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Why are we all pretending?
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Yeah.
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It's wild.
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This is wild.
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So Alex has a radio show, a free-for-all, as he said a couple of times.
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I will take you on your word.
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That's what we know about him.
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It's a radio show.
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It's a TV show.
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Is that it?
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But it turns out he also has secret plans behind the scenes.
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OK.
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He's going to run for president?
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Maybe.
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Stealth candidate.
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He's Hillary?
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That's what his plans are.
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OK.
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But he does need your money.
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Of course.
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To continue these secret plans.
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Naturally.
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In talking about how he needs that, he announces his new special.
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Now, if you'll recall, the previous special that had just been running was the Everything
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Must Go sale that went way too long.
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Yes.
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Went way longer than he intended.
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So if it's ended, then I assume everything has gone.
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It is not.
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OK.
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The sale just before the Everything Must Go sale was the Black Friday Comes Early special.
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Right.
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Right.
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His new special.
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The Black Friday special?
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It's very uninspiring.
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We've got a lot of stuff going on in the background and I've got plans and operations
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that will keep this message on air no matter how they railroad us.
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But it takes two things.
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It takes word of mouth and it takes money and it takes a lot of both.
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This is a total war.
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People talk about, oh, they're going to get their guns, we'll have a shooting war someday.
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If you don't take action now, you'll never take action in a shooting war.
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And we want to avert a shooting war.
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Now, I make it easy to fund this operation.
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We got great products you and your family need.
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And I need the majority of listeners that don't buy products at Infowarsstore.com to
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commit to the fight and buy their war bonds and get things you need, period, at Infowarsstore.com.
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Now, we already had Black Friday Comes Early a few months ago and we sold out a lot of
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products.
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A lot of products came back in.
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We're launching Black Friday right now early as well.
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Got a lot of new specials for you.
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We're continuing store-wide free shipping, double Patriot points, but there are a lot
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of things that have sold out or are going to sell out.
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In fact, I've got a list of them I forgot to pull out.
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You said that as a joke.
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You said, oh, it's a Black Friday sale then as a joke.
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That's actually what he's doing.
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Another early Black Friday sale.
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This indicates a lack of creativity in the sales department.
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That's what I would say.
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I appreciate the willingness to recycle.
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A lot of people on the right are really interested in recycling.
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I mean, he's having Steve Pachanik back on the show.
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That's recycling.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's trying to bring Hillary back as a candidate.
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This whole fucking show is reduce, reuse, recycle.
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This might be the Captain Planet of bullshit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I like it.
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I think that's great.
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He's ready to conserve bloviating diehard.
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So we got the fucking Black Friday sale going again or something.
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It just seems bleak.
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What is he going to sell on Black Friday?
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That's my question.
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That's a great question.
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The business?
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Cyber Monday comes early.
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Okay.
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That's where it'll be.
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Okay.
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To me, what this indicates is probably his staff in that area of the business is also
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thinning out.
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He's gone.
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That to me is an indication of whatever marketing people you may have been employing before
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are now an intern or also your video editor.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So I see these as all kind of little circumstantial evidence, certainly, but they are the things
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you would expect to see in a crumbling-ass business.
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So I think that might be the case.
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Yeah, John Hamm isn't working for him anymore.
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No.
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Let's put it that way.
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But you know what?
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She is on up to 10 TV and radio programs a day or more.
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She is giving speeches seven days a week.
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She's running the Democratic Party.
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She's collecting money into her foundation.
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And you see that whole crew up there.
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Biden can hardly talk.
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Bernie is gibbering.
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Why?
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They're all a big joke.
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Okay.
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They're all over Tulsi Gabbards and they're not going to let her get anywhere near.
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Why is she not a joke?
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The primaries, they're going to steal them just like they did from Sanders four years
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ago.
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Alex, I don't understand.
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I mean, you know, he loves Tulsi and whatever.
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Why?
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She's still kind of in a weird cult.
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Why is she the darling of the right?
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I don't understand.
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I don't really particularly care to deconstruct that too much.
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I'm not an expert in that area, but it does seem to be a very consistent thing among people
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I don't trust.
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That's weird.
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Yeah.
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That's so weird.
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Yeah.
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But beyond that, I think that Alex recognizes that he's in for a fucking world of hurt if
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Bernie is the candidate because he made such a big deal out of Bernie having being screwed
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over by Hillary in the primary last election and Bernie before Alex realized he was a socialist
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or whatever, spent a lot of time talking about he was one of the only brave people in the
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Senate because he stood with Ron Paul in terms of auditing the Fed.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Alex says...
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Going to be real troublesome.
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Any audience member of his with any kind of memory or actual concern about the issues
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that Alex rants about is going to be like, hey, what about Bernie?
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Like, isn't the Fed one of your big trademark issues?
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Bernie's aligned with you on that.
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Yeah.
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Why do you care about this, you know, cultural nonsense, let's say, in the way they might
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present it?
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I'm beholden to the wealthy.
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I mean, I have principles.
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It's insane.
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Yeah.
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He's going to have a really tough time with that.
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So I think he's really hoping that that isn't the case, that Bernie wins the primaries.
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Yeah.
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They would really love it if Bernie loses the primaries.
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It doesn't even matter.
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They can say that Hillary probably torpedoed him there too.
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They can play that whole thing again.
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Totally.
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She's running the DNC.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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They wouldn't give Bernie a shot because he's too real.
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Yeah.
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But if he's the nominee, they're like, he's going to kill us all.
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Venezuela's coming.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So on a recent episode, we heard Alex bring up a story about British hospitals and making
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a decision that if you racially or in a sexist way, abuse members of the staff, they'll give
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you a warning.
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And if you say, continue that behavior and it's safe to do so, they will withdraw treatment
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from it.
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Right.
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It's the two N words in your out rule.
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Basically.
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Yeah.
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So he brings up this story, but pay close attention to how he presents it because this
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is very telling.
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Well, the British government announced last week, in fact, I forgot to cover that in detail.
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Please print me that article.
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Paul Watson wrote about it.
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The NHS said, if you're a right winger and that's anything they choose is bad, you're
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not going to get healthcare.
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Basically, we're going to kill you, a death penalty.
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Whoops.
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You really shouldn't say that too loud.
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That's supposed to be the quiet part, right?
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If I recall.
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There's a story out of Bristol in the UK that it's not even the entire area.
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It's just in Bristol.
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What hospital in Bristol?
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Well, I think it's a system of hospitals, a couple of hospitals, but it's still localized.
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That story is entirely about them saying that there are consequences for behaving in racist
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and sexist ways toward their staff.
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Oh, so they hate the right wing now, huh?
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It's about behavior.
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Alex is reporting this as if it's about denying care to right wingers, which is not a behavior.
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It's a group identifier.
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You can kind of tell from this sort of thing that Alex believes that being a part of the
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group right winger has some kind of connection with the behavior being racist or sexist.
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I don't understand.
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This is one of the more damning instances of Alex making an argument defending racist
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and sexist abuse being hurled at people, but framing it as if he's just standing up for
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right wingers.
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Alex is a coward.
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He wants people of ethnic minorities and women to shut up and deal with whatever comes their
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way, but he doesn't think that he can make his place in the market work if he's an open
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racist or sexist.
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That fun game he plays where he complains about the media attacking him all the time
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by calling him a racist unfairly, it doesn't work out quite as well if he's, if he's honest
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about what he believes and what he advocates.
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So yeah, so you see that sleight of hand, that trickery, this is about denying care
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to right wingers.
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Right?
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No, it's about racists and sexist, which is what are acting that way.
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I find it wild that there, that he's still bothering to, to, I mean, you know, there's
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nothing bad going to happen to Stephen Miller and he, he's an open white supremacist now.
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He's been white supremacist for forever, but now he's just open about it and he's free.
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Right.
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I think that there's an acclamation period.
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I think that Alex will be open once he realizes if he survives on air long enough to get to
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the point where he realizes like, I don't think I have any other options left.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Once the, once, once other avenues of, uh, uh, possible money, uh, aren't there, that'll
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be what he does because that's what he is.
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Right.
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A huge bigot.
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Yeah.
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It's not like Stephen Miller is going to get another job in a different campaign.
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No.
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Oh, wait.
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He will for David Duke and, uh, you name it.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Whenever they're present.
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That's the same thing.
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Once those avenues are the only things that are available, that's what you will do.
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Absolutely.
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So this trend kind of continues, um, Alex starts covering another culture issue and
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that has to do with the launch of Disney plus.
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Sure.
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So here's Alex talking about this and, uh, but then I'm going to get to warnings being
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put on Disney movies, like lady and the tramp because of outdated cultural depictions, Hollywood's
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image of a man and a woman, just lady in a trip with a baby.
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And with the cats saying, where are we finding maybe there is milk nearby till you'll see
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that thing swimming around them around.
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Maybe they'll be head for you and tail for me.
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Being wholesome and fun and good is bad to a Satanist.
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So Alex is really missing the mark here because he's trying to present this as it being like
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outdated cultural norms are that there is a man and a woman and a baby.
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Yeah.
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So with the release of Disney plus, the company realized that there were a few issues to some
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of the movies they've put out over the years considering that their first release was put
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out in 1937 you got to understand that some cultural things have changed since that little
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bit.
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1937 was five years before our government forced Japanese Americans into camps during
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world war II.
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It was 10 years before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in major league baseball.
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It was 18 years before Emmett Till was murdered, 18 years before the Montgomery bus boycott.
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It's very hard to put into words how different a world we live in today from when Disney
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started putting out movies.
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A lot of those movies are beloved classics, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot
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of them are products of their time.
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In order to strike a balance, instead of editing the movies to take offensive scenes out, Disney
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just decided to add some warnings so people knew what they were getting into.
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For instance, Dumbo features a crow character named Jim Crow.
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Probably not a good look.
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That one's a little bit on the nose too.
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In Peter Pan, they sing a song called what made the red man red.
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I don't understand what the problem there is.
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Still they just thought people deserved a heads up on stuff like that as well as warnings
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about a ton of characters smoking in their movies, because again, they were made back
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at a time when people thought cigarettes were health food.
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Yeah, Bugs Bunny used to smoke all the time, but he loved that shit.
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Yeah, totally.
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The warning on the lady and the tramp is because there are two Siamese cats that are basically
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just racist Asian stereotypes.
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I wouldn't expect the guy, Alex, who's been putting out his own racist Asian stereotype
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videos featuring Fentanyl the Chicom Dragon to understand why a company might view this
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sort of thing as an embarrassing and regrettable thing of the past.
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People only Satanists hate wholesome entertainment like Alex's racist commercials.
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I don't understand.
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He does not bring this up, but I'm going to guess that Alex is furious that Song of the
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South isn't on Disney Plus.
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It's not on there at all?
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No.
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Oh, man.
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That's still in the vault.
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That one's still not allowed out, huh?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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You can find it on YouTube though.
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Man, I'm glad they did that, but also we should update a lot of movies for that.
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The movie American Pie should have a warning on there that it's like... He was attempting
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to broadcast.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There's a lot of fucked up shit in the movies from a few years ago.
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That is 20 something years ago.
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That was 2000?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was about 20 years.
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I mean, I'm not minimizing.
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It's not like American Pie was made in 1937.
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The product of our time is moving pretty quick.
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Yeah.
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Alex pretends here in this next clip that the problem with the lady and the tramp is
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that there's a heterosexual couple being presented.
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Okay.
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All right.
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This is so stupid.
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They're done.
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They're ready.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Guys, we just played the trailer for Lady and the Tramp, the re-release of it, of the
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classic film.
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You're not allowed to do that.
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That is hateful.
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That is homophobic.
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That is bad.
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Again, radio listeners, you're really blessed that you didn't just see that level of bigoted
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Nazism and I'm not joking.
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21 gun salutes are being banned at major universities.
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People also say they're offended by just everything.
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So in true Alex Jones fashion, what we have here is a straw man.
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The reason there's a warning on Lady and the Tramp is the racist Asian depictions, but
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because Alex doesn't want to directly support things that most people recognize as part
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of an ugly past, he's pretending that the problem with the movie is that it tells a
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heterosexual love story.
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This is just complete shit.
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There's so many movies on Disney Plus that depict heterosexual love stories that don't
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have warnings.
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Name one.
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All of them that don't involve archaic racist stereotypes.
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Well, as an ardent Disney fan, I don't know if you can name one of those either.
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I don't know if there are movies off the top of my head.
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This is such a gross pattern with Alex.
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He knows that he has to defend racism because that's what he does, but he just can't do
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that.
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I would venture to say that at least 30% of his content could easily be summed up like
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that.
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Trying to find ways to repackage the argument racism is great.
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It's good, but no, no, no, no.
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Let's not speak freely about it.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody, hey.
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Anyway, about that 21 gun salute thing.
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This is solely about the University of Virginia deciding not to do a 21 gun salute at their
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Veterans Day event this year.
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Their reason was basically that it was disruptive to campus and because there's a bunch of gun
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violence going on these days, so maybe that's not necessary.
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I can hear arguments from people who love military tradition saying that the salute
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is necessary, and I don't think I agree with them, but I'm also not going to argue too
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much with it.
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But in this case, it feels really weird because this was a University of Virginia ROTC event,
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so it's kind of their decision how to do things.
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If they're deciding not to do the salute, is Alex saying that he should be able to force
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them to do it?
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If this were the government or even the university telling them that they can't do the salute,
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this argument might look a little different, but that's not the case here.
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Oh, you're misunderstanding.
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This is even worse than you can imagine, Dan.
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This is a choice.
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This means that the globalists have infiltrated the ROTC at the highest levels, Dan.
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Great.
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All over the University of Virginia.
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Sure.
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If he was in his position to make any sense at all, he would need to want an insane level
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of control over the choices of other organizations that he is not a part of.
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He sees this ill in the world that he perceives, someone not wanting to do a 21-gun salute,
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and he decries it.
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But the only point he could possibly be making is, I wish they wanted to do that salute.
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There's nothing to fight here.
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This is just trivial gun culture outrage bait, which makes up another 30% of his coverage
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in his entire career.
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This is bullshit.
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There's nothing here.
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Generally speaking, they do overlap, though.
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Totally.
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Totally.
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So, Alex is still mad about Disney.
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He complains about them quite a bit.
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Sure.
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You don't show Lady and the Tramp.
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You don't show Dumbo.
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Dumbo has a loving mother.
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That's bad.
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That's not good, ladies and gentlemen.
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That has to stop.
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So, again, the warning on Dumbo is about there being a character named Jim Crow in it.
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Also, in the movie Dumbo, mothers and fathers don't create children.
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They're delivered by storks, so I'm not sure if Alex wants to take this line of thought
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too far.
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Ah, man.
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Counterpoint, Alex.
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Storks.
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You know the news is real bad whenever you're reduced to being like, I guess let's bitch
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about Disney Plus like an old man for three hours, because I can't deal with the fact
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that it's very obvious my president committed a shit ton of crimes, and everybody is talking
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about it.
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Yeah.
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I gotta do something.
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Yeah.
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I don't have the luxury of Fox News where I can put real-time refutation lies in front
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of the screen rather than listening to people talk.
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Yeah.
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So, Alex now gets off into a little bit of a segment that would be accurately described
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as transphobic, but also is about drag performers, so it's convoluted on some level, but it is
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just outright bigotry and really, really gross.
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So, in this first clip, he talks about how the trans movement is not about people.
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It's not about identity or anything like that.
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It's not about any of that stuff.
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It's about Satan.
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Truly, it's just about Satan.
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All right.
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The so-called trans movement isn't like Bob Hope dressing up like a woman for her Halloween
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gag, or it's not even men that feel feminine and want to be seen as women by other men.
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It is Satanism and vampirism and total deception is what the movement is that's being pushed.
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And so, a man, six foot four man with vampire teeth on eating a baby is a woman.
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The opposite of a woman giving birth, loving a baby, being nurturing the feminine strength.
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So, you accept a man in a vampire outfit, simulating a horrific act, could win an Academy
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Award, look so satanic and evil.
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Linda Blair has nothing on this.
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You call that a woman, that's lie number one, and then you say that this vampire creature
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is the new image of a mother, a raving lunatic, scarier looking than it, the clown.
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Still not name.
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They're surrounding it at the bar, worshiping it like they're seeing some great goodness
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here, because this is their real spirit.
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So I heard this and I was like, this isn't going to go well.
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This is, I'm not interested or very excited about the direction he's going to take this.
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Just got done yelling about fucking Disney movies.
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So he riffs around a little bit here about how trans people are anti-human aliens.
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I thought they were vampires.
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Well, that's part of it.
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Okay.
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AOC goes to a drag queen vampire occult show again.
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Is that what they call it?
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In New York City.
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And she worships it.
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She's with this big six foot four man who's like, how are you doing?
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You like my vampire teeth?
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Looks more like some alien invading blood drinking Martian.
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That's what it is, actually.
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That's the transmission is destroy yourselves, humans.
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We're here.
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My children die.
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Post-human world.
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Those that join us will give you immortality, merger with machines, just trust us.
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Everything's fine.
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I wouldn't need a baby when I.
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Like Mars attacks.
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How do they invade the Hollywood story in your face?
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How do they invade the White House?
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The woman's got the big blonde hair.
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It's really don't run.
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We are your friends.
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Whatever this is, it's anti-human, but it's a woman.
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Don't hit a woman.
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Give me access to your children right now.
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So when Alex was talking about that person who was like a vampire and what have you,
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he said it's like a few weeks back.
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He's really banking on his audience not realizing that a couple of weeks back was fucking Halloween.
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Oh, probably.
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He doesn't care.
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Most of his audience probably thinks that Halloween is actually evil.
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Anyway, this is about a video that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez put out where she met Sasha
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Velour, a noted drag performer.
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According to their website bio page, Sasha is gender fluid and has no preferred pronoun
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in personal life, but the drag persona goes by feminine terms.
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Sasha was on Drag Race, which AOC is a big fan of, so she was very excited to meet a
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performer from the show.
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It was a big zero.
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Yeah.
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Alex ends up like the video of this.
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He's just playing a 15-second video of a person in drag sitting on a bar in a Halloween costume
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that involves fake blood and a fake baby.
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There's no context to it, and honestly, I'm 90% sure that person isn't even Sasha Velour.
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The person in that video is a big tattoo on their upper right arm and shoulder, which
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Sasha does not have.
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Alex just thinks they're the same person because they're both in drag and appear to be bald.
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The person in that video appears to actually have short hair, but Sasha actually shaved
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their head in order to honor their mother, who died of cancer.
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Also in a 2015 interview, the person who performs as Sasha Velour was very clear that they're
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not trans, so whatever point Alex is trying to make here really just falls flat.
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But that doesn't change the reality that by his conflation of all these different gender
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expressions and identities and boxing it all up under the heading of satanic, he's hoping
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to get people hurt.
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So now AOZ wasn't at some drag vampire Satan show.
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That was Sasha Velour's show Smoke and Mirrors.
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Also, it wasn't in New York.
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It was in Washington, D.C.
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Nothing that Alex is saying is based in reality, but it doesn't need to be, because reality
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isn't the point.
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Demonizing anyone who doesn't fit into his rigid view of gender and sexuality is the
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point.
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He wants to say that it was in New York, because that video of the person on a bar, it was
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in New York.
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He's conflating all of this together in order to make it appear that they're the same person,
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even though later in the show he does indicate that he doesn't know if they're the same person.
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Of course not.
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And he doesn't give a shit.
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Why would he care?
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Smoke and Mirrors is a one queen show, as Sasha calls it.
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It's a theater performance, and it's toured internationally.
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It's not like some kind of a basement blood ritual, like Alex is presenting it.
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It's a very respected and well-reviewed show.
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That's because it has the backing of Satan, Dan.
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That's how she gets all of the money to travel, and people pay her, and whatever.
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Not to put too fine a point on this, Alex is trying to get people killed.
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The issue of trans and non-binary people, particularly people of color, being murdered
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is a very serious issue right now, to the point where the American Medical Association
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has called violence against the trans community an epidemic.
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If Alex Jones cared at all about people, he could express his discomfort with trans people
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in more responsible ways, but he doesn't care.
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He acts like this, doing grotesque act-outs about trans people wanting to eat your kids,
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because he wants them to be targeted.
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This sort of behavior doesn't lead toward people having a greater understanding of each
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other.
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It doesn't even lead to a place of respectful disagreement, live and let live, nothing like
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that.
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It's, quite frankly, incitement.
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This doesn't... Do you understand the point that I'm trying to make?
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The only path that this goes down is towards targeting, abuse, harassment, and potentially
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violence.
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There's no healthy outcome to the, they're probably satanic aliens, I want your kids,
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I want to eat your blood.
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There's no value to this from a human perspective.
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So many people are going to be viewed not long from now, and are viewed right now in
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the same way that we view so many people during the HIV AIDS crisis.
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Just that whole list of people just basically saying, I'm not trans, so I don't really give
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a fuck.
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Yeah.
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Or even you could... Or outright demonization or mocking them for... Oh, trans people get
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assaulted more in the... Yeah, well... You could umbrella this out to all sorts of times
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throughout history where people should have learned their lesson about what it looks like
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to be on the wrong side of a pretty clear cultural issue.
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Yeah, if you can play mad libs with shit that Nazis said 50 years ago, I think you should
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probably take a look at you.
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Yeah.
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Or anti-civil rights people.
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Yeah, exactly.
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There's just so many... We should have culturally moved past many of these issues long ago.
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To be clear, I don't think... You could easily call somebody transphobic or whatever or bigoted.
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You can.
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Alex is so far past that.
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Yeah.
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It almost doesn't even fit into the box of just being hateful.
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Straight up bigotry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This sort of thing is way worse.
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It's borderline eradication narratives.
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Well, I mean, it certainly lends itself to that, even if that's not the prescription
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he's suggesting.
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It definitely-
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I don't understand how it couldn't be.
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Every single trans person is the devil, and that includes drag performers.
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Right, apparently.
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Apparently, that includes people who are just doing a show.
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What I would say is it's not overtly or calling for extermination or any... But it's compatible
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with it.
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Yeah.
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That is a distinction that I would make, and I think it's important to consider things
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like that.
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The ways in which the rhetoric you put out is compatible with something that you pretend
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you don't support.
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Well, it's hard to divest this particular calling something the devil with the other
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things that he's called the devil and the way that you're supposed to act toward those
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other things who are the devil.
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So many other things get called the devil, and it's your job as God's servant to destroy
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it.
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Yeah.
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Just because he's not saying, destroy it this time, if he's calling it the devil, he's saying
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destroy it.
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Yeah.
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He's somebody who's been very clear about the idea that you can't really coexist with
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the devil.
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Yeah.
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You have to eradicate whatever the devil is doing.
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It seems like that's a logical extension.
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Yeah, and if you do it, then the devil will be doing something different, and you'll have
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to eradicate that and so on and so forth until everybody's happy.
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So Alex descends into a screaming rant at this point, and I have a lot of thoughts about
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this rant.
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So this is who we're supposed to worship, a six foot four man.
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It's ma'am.
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Hey guys, come on over.
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I got a register open.
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How dare you?
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How dare you call me?
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Guys, I'm a woman that bench presses 600 pounds.
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I'll kick your ass.
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You don't matter to me.
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And all his prison photos of that guy.
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I may have been in prison for assaulting people with deadly weapons, but now I'm a woman.
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Open the door for me.
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And pull out my chair.
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Pull it out.
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Give me your children right now.
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Take your four eyed children.
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So they'll be a little stupider, so I can scoop them up easier.
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I honestly don't know exactly what Alex is talking about through a lot of that.
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If I had to guess, there must be some YouTube video of someone wanting to be called ma'am
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and he's just losing his shit about it.
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I really don't know, and I don't really care.
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It's all the same thing.
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It's just more and deeper marginalization that he's pushing.
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But here's the thing.
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I don't know of any trans or non-binary person who acts like that, screaming and ranting
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with insane and unhealthy levels of unchecked anger.
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This doesn't ring true there, but it really reminds me of Alex himself.
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That angry rant doesn't feel like a character.
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That feels like Alex.
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Alex is the person who rants like that sincerely when he finds out about a gun control bill
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that died in committee two weeks prior, but he thinks is still going to pass.
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Alex is the person who screams like this whenever he has to pretend like a white person didn't
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just commit a terrorist act.
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This rage that he's expressing is not true of some imagined trans character who he wants
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basic politeness not extended to.
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It's Alex's rage at the perceived crumbling of his straight white Christian male dominated
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society.
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That feels very real, that anger that he's manifesting.
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I know I say this a lot, but if you know Alex, you have a responsibility to get him help
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and probably get him into a hospital.
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Trans people are being killed at alarming rates, and he's acting in ways on air that
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perpetuate and escalate the mentalities that make their being hurt far more likely.
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If you think that he sincerely believes that he's fine to do this because he thinks they're
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interdimensional demons, that's all the evidence you need to get him locked up on a 5150.
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If you think he's just making it up and doesn't really believe this but still saying it on
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air, still evidence to get him locked up on a mental health hold.
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Anyone who gave a fuck about Alex could help him right now and get him the care that he
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desperately needs, but I guess they'd rather wait until this whole thing reaches its natural
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conclusion.
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Cowards.
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A whole lot of you.
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Anybody who can help and isn't doing anything, just watching this play out, cowards.
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That part of this is all particularly distasteful, and Alex goes to break and he comes back.
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To quote John Cleese, something completely different.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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In the balance of this segment, let me get to it.
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I have a message for Edward Snowden, the contractor whistleblower, and I have a message to Joe
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Rogan who has one of the biggest talk shows in the world, and it's this.
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Both of you aren't stupid.
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And both of you I know can research the facts and discover for yourself that there have
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been ongoing geoengineering programs happening on this planet for over 100 years.
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By the late 1960s, Stanford Research Institute, the US Navy and Air Force had certified weather
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modification programs using aerosolized barium salts, aluminum dioxide, and other particulate
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put out via jet engines using the jet engines to create the nuclei to create intensified
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ice crystallization in the atmosphere.
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And Joe, 10 years ago, would talk about this.
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Then he hosted a program on national television and, quote, debunked it.
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So what's going on here is that Alex is deeply jealous of Rogan getting to interview Edward
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Snowden and also Alex really wants to bait Joe into having him back on his show.
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Oh yeah.
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That's the long and short of it.
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Honestly, normally I would just let this shit slide and not get into it at all, but after
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that outright hatred that Alex was coming with earlier, I feel like we need to cool
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down.
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I think that would be nice.
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So even though Alex only challenged Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden, I'm gonna rise to the
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occasion and discuss why Alex is a fucking dumb dumb about chemtrails.
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All right, but I really want to wait until Ed Snowden gets on the line before he...
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He said on Rogan's show that he looked for evidence of aliens and chemtrails in the secret
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files that he had access to and he said he couldn't find any evidence.
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But he also said that if there is evidence of it, he's not saying there isn't, but if
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there is, it's crazy buried to the point where with all the access he had, he couldn't find
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it.
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So I'm gonna stick to the actual claims and specifics Alex uses over the course of this
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because I don't want to drift into some kind of absurd goose chase.
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This is a topic that's so full of ridiculous, stupid claims, but Alex wants this to be serious,
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so let's play it that way.
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Alex's first point that he brings up is about the 1960s in the Stanford Research Institute.
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This is a reference to an interview that he did back in 2005 with a guy named Ben Livingston,
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who he credits as the father of weather weapons.
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Okay.
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Livingston is allegedly a former Navy physicist who was involved in weaponizing weather in
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the 60s, and by the late 2000s ran or was working with a company called Weather Modification
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Incorporated.
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That is a real company, but weirdly, in a piece about their president, which discusses
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the company's history and founding, Livingston's name doesn't come up at all.
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This company is in the business of cloud seeding, which is a little different than chemtrails.
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What they do is they fly planes into clouds and release silver iodide, which is meant
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to cause weather molecules to come together and turn into rain.
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It's a technique that's been implemented to try and help drought-stricken regions, but
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it also doesn't really always work.
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They can't make rain appear where moisture doesn't initially already exist, so some experts
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have pointed out that cloud seeding only really works when there would have been rain anyway.
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It's pretty unclear the extent to which cloud seeding does help, but it's way more clear
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that it doesn't really have any damaging environmental or health to human side effects.
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There's literally no evidence that this technique can create or get rid of hurricanes or steer
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them to attack someplace like Alex wants you to believe.
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There was a project carried out by the government starting in 1962 called Project Storm Fury,
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which hypothesized that they could use cloud seeding to decrease the destructive power
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of hurricanes by seeding clouds around the hurricanes that disrupt the inner structure
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of the storm.
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They changed the name from Plan...
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What about supervillains?
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There was another name for it initially, there was a precursor program to this, but it's
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all space.
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Super duper evil plan, like Jesus Christ guys.
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They found that this definitely did not work.
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While it seemed like it was a possible approach, the science behind the hypothesis was found
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to be flawed and the program was discontinued.
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In the sense of controlling hurricanes, storm fury was a complete failure, but scientists
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actually learned a lot about weather patterns in the process, so we can kind of call it
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a win on some levels and it's not a huge embarrassment in hindsight.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Naming it Storm Fury might be a little bit frustrating for me.
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It's flashy.
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I don't like it.
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All this stuff is just fantasy, the rest of it, delivered by Ben Livingstone in an interview
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with Alex Jones in 2005.
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I watched a bit of the interview and honestly, it kind of feels like Project Camelot stuff.
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While there's a kernel of truth in there, you know, that cloud seeding does exist and
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private companies do it, Alex is taking the extensions of it a bit too far.
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And quite frankly, I have no idea who Ben Livingstone is.
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The only trace of him anywhere that's left is an appearance on Infowars.
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There's no academic papers he's written.
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There's no references left in the congressional record or anything like that.
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It's all just stuff that he's said and Alex has taken as gospel.
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It's impossible to know if Ben Livingstone is a credible source on anything.
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So unless Alex can provide another source on this, these aren't claims that I can allow
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to stand.
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So far, all that Alex is bringing to the table here is a 14-year-old interview he did with
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some guy.
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Yeah.
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And I need better than that.
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Well, I mean, Ben Livingstone did change his name later on to Zach, Dan.
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I presume.
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No, he was pretty old in 2005.
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Oh, yeah?
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I don't know if he's still with us.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know.
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Well, the fact that you can't find anything else about him except for an Infowars interview
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suggests obviously that he is 100% correct.
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They are scrubbing every bit of the record just like they did to keep it away from Ed
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Snowden.
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They've gotten rid of the files, Dan.
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They're not hidden.
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They're burnt.
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Well, I would believe that it's possible, although I don't know this to be the case,
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that Ben Livingstone could have been a pilot who was involved with Storm Fury.
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I think that that is not outside the realm of a possibility.
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But the conclusions that he brings to the table and the things that he talks about are
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not supported by any available information.
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And I need that other backing to the claims that he's making or else I just think, well,
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this is a guy who may or may not have been a pilot who now is crazy.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean, I think I wouldn't go too far to say that the people who came up with, what
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if we could weaponize Hurricane's plan were a little bit out there as well.
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So I think he could very well be accepted by that group of luminaries.
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You got to imagine, though, that if you are people who have been like, you know what?
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It's possible that we could create clouds.
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Hurricanes are a problem.
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They're very destructive.
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If there was a way we could use this technology with cloud seeding to disrupt a hurricane
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to lessen its damaging effects, why wouldn't you try it?
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Why wouldn't you research that?
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Well, I mean...
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The government researches all sorts of shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I would assume that much like the how to know when you're on the right side
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of history, the should we have control over the weather, I bet it's probably never going
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to be used in an evil, horrible way and hurricanes will never get out of control.
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A plan is probably on the like, maybe we should leave that one alone kind of situation.
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You can call it super villainous or you could call it just the inevitable conclusion where
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human curiosity takes us.
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You could say that about the internet existing.
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Right.
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I mean, yeah, but that's also a bummer.
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It is.
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It's pretty straight to great goo theory and you're like, well, I guess we're fucked then.
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It's not so much that we're fucked.
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It's that the constant path of human evolution or human advancement does involve a certain
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amount of risk with the things that our curiosity will inevitably bring us to.
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The path and the challenge is figuring out a way that we can incorporate those potentially
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dangerous things into a sustainable world.
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I don't see any of that as being super villainous or even as doom-y as you might look at it.
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We're inevitably trending towards great goo.
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Right.
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Certainly, it's like, well, that's something we should keep in mind.
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That is a real negative outcome, but it doesn't mean that that's the inevitable outcome.
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There's a way you can have an ability to control hurricanes, which again, we do not.
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There is a way that you could have that and it not be abused, probably.
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I don't know.
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Well, we've only dropped two nukes, so I think we're doing all right with infinite world
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ending power.
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Well, we have only dropped two.
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Yeah, we're doing okay.
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That says a lot.
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No, no, that's what I'm saying.
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I'm saying relatively speaking with our power to destroy the world already, we have yet
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to do so, so that's hopeful, I guess.
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I mean, you could look at it as bleak, but it also, there's a silver lining.
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So Alex brings that to the table and that's not a good starting point.
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All that stuff is just stuff that Ben Livingston told him.
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And so I got to throw that out a tiny bit because it's not really, I don't know.
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I thought like maybe that was it, but he has more.
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And I get it.
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He has staked his reputation that geoengineering is not going on the quote using the lay term,
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chemtrails don't exist.
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Well, no one calls them chemtrails high altitude aerosolized geoengineering programs.
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And I'm going to show you department of defense, council on foreign relations, Smithsonian,
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the CFR, the CIA director, admitting it, we have international treaties on it.
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This is where I get too messant Jordan, because you got something to really stick your teeth
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in here.
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This is where I'm like chomp out a crime on this one.
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But whenever Alex really is like, I'm going to prove something, that's when I'm like,
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it's time to go to work.
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Yeah.
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I was up till like three or four in the morning last night, rub your hands together.
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Just like, Ooh, yes.
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Prove it.
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Well, it's because it's like, okay, I don't think Alex is trying most of the time.
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Of course not.
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And at least he's pretending he's trying now.
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Right.
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So at least this is a time when I'm like, okay, I have a worthy opponent in front of
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the occasion.
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Exactly.
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It gets me very excited.
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I understand.
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So anyway, here's where he starts.
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And I want to be clear.
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I've not cut out stuff where he gives good examples.
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All of this is going to be terrible.
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I think everybody didn't need that disclaimer.
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I just wanted to be clear that it's not like there's a smoking gun in here and I was like,
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let's ignore that.
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Yeah.
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There are a lot of governments involved now at the secret treaty level, adding it to the
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jet fuel for this quote project to dim the planet and save it from global warming.
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Two scientists won the Nobel prize in 1992 coming up with this plan.
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So right off the bat, I can't do shit with secret treaties.
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That's an unacceptable thing to bring into the conversation.
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So I'm going to ignore it unless Alex can produce those treaties.
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That's because you're not at the level of secret treaties.
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And neither is Alex.
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He's making shit up.
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So you can easily look up Nobel prize winners and Alex is lying.
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You can't even do that.
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You can't even do that.
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What?
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He just lies right out the gate about Nobel prize winners.
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Yeah, totally.
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Jesus.
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Those are the fields of literature, peace, and economics since those aren't related here
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at all.
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And I had looked at them from 1992.
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They have nothing to do with this.
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That leaves medicine, chemistry, and physics as the fields of Nobel awards that could be
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related.
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George Sharpak won the physics award that year for his invention of a particle detector.
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That's not related.
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Randolph Marcus won for chemistry for his work in the, it was related to the theory
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of electron transfer reactions and chemical systems, not related to guys, Edmund Fisher
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and Edwin Cribbs jointly won in the field of medicine, but it was for amino acid related
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research.
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So that was two scientists, but it wasn't wasn't that none of this has anything to do
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with secret plans to dim the world through geoengineering or whatever the fuck he's talking
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about.
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Wasn't the, but didn't the Nobel prize in literature go to a guy who wrote, Hey, how
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about we build some weather weapons or whatnot?
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Come on now.
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Hey, did not.
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So Alex might be thinking of 1995 when three scientists won the Nobel prize for their work,
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understanding the chemistry involved in the formation and deconstruction of ozone.
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I assume that's what he's talking about because it involves the sky, but also has nothing
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to do with chemtrails to make the earth dimmer to fight global warming later in life.
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One of those three scientists who did get the Nobel prize in 1995, Paul Crutzen did
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come out publicly in favor of exploring engineering solutions to climate change problems, but
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that's not what he got the Nobel prize for Alex.
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If he's talking about them, he's conflating things and he got the year wrong.
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Here's his making shit up.
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He was just talking shit.
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So none of the Nobel prize winners have come out and said that chemtrails are real.
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I'm assuming not in the way that Alex is presenting it yet.
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So he gets onto his next piece of evidence.
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He said that he's going to bring up the CFR, the DOD, all of it, and he brings up the DOD
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in this next one.
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Okay.
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So let's get into it right now.
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Overhead shot, please.
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US department of defense, and I'm going to play these clips of Joe and others, April
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28th, 1997, secretary of defense, William S Cohen.
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And he says that governments and others are working on weather control and weather weapons
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and that they can control and alter the climate.
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There it is on screen.
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Right off the bat.
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This can be ignored.
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His proof is that this guy in the DOD said that people are working on weather weapons.
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That doesn't mean that anyone has ever successfully made one or that any of this is real.
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The statement that people want weather weapons is totally logically consistent with the statement
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no one has ever made weather weapons.
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Wanting something and working on something is not the same as that thing being real.
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So we talked about this a little bit in the past, but because Alex is doing a large breakdown,
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I'm going to cover something that we've already talked about.
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This was a news story about a speech that William Cohen gave at the university of Georgia
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on terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, and U.S. strategies.
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It was entirely about Sean Connery and the Avengers, I'm assuming, right?
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Maybe.
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Might have been.
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Okay.
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If you read the quote in context, you'll learn that Cohen is talking about fake reports and
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how they can really fuck up a department.
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He was asked a question about a false alarm about an anthrax scare that had happened at
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B'nai B'rith the previous week, to which Cohen relates that sort of false alarm to the sort
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of scares that can happen when there's a belief that there's a mole within a particular law
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enforcement or government agency.
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Quote, the mere fear that there's a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and
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a hunt for that particular mole, which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and
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years even in a search.
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The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a
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chemical weapon or biological one.
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There are reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something
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like an Ebola virus that would be very dangerous a phenomenon, to say the least.
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Alvin Toffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying
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to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so they could just
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eliminate a certain ethnic group and race.
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And others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific
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crops.
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Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate,
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set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
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This list of specific weapons, like weaponized Ebola and the weather weapons, they're examples
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of possibly fake reports that can come up that cripple a department because they have
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to respond to the reports as if they're real.
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This is not evidence of William Cohen saying that there are weather weapons.
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He's not even saying that anyone has one.
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He's not even saying that anyone's working on them.
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He's saying there might be false reports of these sorts of things.
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So far, Alex has provided evidence of nothing.
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Okay, so if I understand correctly, his evidence is William Cohen said that people could be
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lying about this.
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Yes.
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Gotcha.
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And the very nature of this possible lie being reported can be devastating and money suck
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and time suck for a department.
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Yeah, it's like that Twilight Zone episode.
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Right.
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So this makes it clear that he's not saying anything concrete and the way that Alex will
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want you to think.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets to his next piece of evidence.
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All right.
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Let's move on to the next thing.
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Weather weapons have existed for over 15 years, testified US Secretary of Defense.
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That was 20 something years ago.
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This is an article published on natural news.
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So already not great.
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Burn it.
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Burn it down.
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Burn it to the ground.
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So just to be even, you could just dismiss it based on that.
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Yep.
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Done.
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But the Secretary of Defense in question there is William Cohen.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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This is a headline about the exact same story as the first one.
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Of course.
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That can't be okay.
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Yeah.
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That cannot be okay.
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It's the same story.
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That is unacceptable.
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It's just published with a bullshit headline on Mike Adams website.
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That is unacceptable.
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Alex has literally proved nothing.
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All right.
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So anyway, he has a bunch of evidence though.
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In this folder, I have CFR, I have Wall Street Journal, I have them all admitting Bill Gates
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is getting government funding and running quasi-secret programs and they've now announced
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with aluminum salts, barium dioxide, added to jet fuel at the corporate level, or even
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the pilots don't know, and then under the patents, it aerosolizes it into the atmosphere
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and creates nuclei, creating artificial clouds.
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I don't give a fuck about that folder unless you cite exactly what's in it.
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Alex can talk about Bill Gates and the CFR until he passes up from exhaustion and I still
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won't give a shit unless he gives me some specifics.
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At best, as I can tell right now, all of this is just talking about cloud seeding and then
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exaggerating it way far past the reality.
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Yeah.
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I think that's all he's doing.
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That's pretty much what's going on.
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Plus if he's bringing up patents, like you can't trust that.
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Like there's so many patents for things that are crazy impossible.
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That are impossible to make.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's patent trolls who just sit on things.
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They're like, oh, here's a patent for Ed Blank.
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And then maybe later on something will be related to kind of that and you'll get to sue.
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You know how many fucking patents there are for time machines?
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Yeah.
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They're done.
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Yeah.
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Any of them good though?
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Uh, maybe.
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Okay.
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So anyway, this next clip comes up right after this and it made me worried that that was
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it.
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Now I'm going to get to these clips.
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Let's play Joe Rogan with Edward Snowden a few weeks ago and he asked Snowden like
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Snowden knows everything in the world because he got some government files.
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So like he's jumping now to clips of Snowden as if he's proved his case.
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All he's done is talk about William, two headlines about William Cohen.
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Make a reference to a 14 year old interview he got with some guy.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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He hasn't proved shit.
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Yeah.
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Put a check mark on the board, Dan.
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Cause he is done.
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Three is one, two, zero.
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He wins.
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Although literally his entire career is based on him being a guy who has secret government
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documents.
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He can't be then judging him, but he can't be like, Hey Snowden, Oh, all you've got our
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secret government documents.
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That's your, that's yeah.
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That is a problem.
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Yeah.
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But the reality of this is, as we, you know, it's very transparent.
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He's just mad at Joe.
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Joe Rogan tells us it doesn't exist.
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It just insults the intelligence.
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Yeah.
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There was mainstream news telling you just what I just told you.
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So everything we told you 20 years ago has turned out to be dead on exactly right.
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But now they're announcing it exactly as we said, but we're more discredited.
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More discredited.
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So the mainstream news article headline that Alex flash is up there is about Bill Gates
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supporting a group that's coming up with solutions to climate change using solar engineering.
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No, it's a group called the solar radiation management governance initiative or cloud
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furious.
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They prefer to be called to be Frank.
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Their plan does sound a lot like what Alex has been talking about, what with the releasing
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tons of particles at a high altitude to block or reduce the impact of heat coming in.
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Yeah, that's all good and well, but that's not a thing that people are doing.
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It's not even technically possible in their plans at this point and even if it were, there's
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a very good reason that no one would ever let them do this unless there was literally
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no other option.
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That's because the consequences of doing something like this would be insane, including but not
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limited to making the sky no longer blue.
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I mean, I'm pretty sure that there's never been any movies made in the past about what
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would happen if we just started messing around with the sky.
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They've done some modeling of the idea and found that it would be cheap and it would
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probably be effective in reducing heat coming in, but they have almost no way of knowing
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what other sorts of disruptions to natural processes the plan might have and that's why
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this requires more research.
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Bill Gates has been on this tip for a long time and we've talked about it before.
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He's not advocating that we do this, but he's funding research into things that we can do
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if we end up in a real serious crisis and the world is becoming uninhabitable.
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It's very possible that there could come a day where the ecosystem is so disrupted by
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something like climate change that we would be absolutely thrilled to risk the blue sky
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in order to survive, and by that point, it's way too late to research any of this stuff.
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By putting money into it now, we give humanity options later, which are super important.
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They would be helpful, yes, as they become ever more increasingly likely to be necessary.
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So that's the headline Alex flashes up on screen.
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So to reiterate, so far, Alex has done nothing to convince me that chemtrails or a secret
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geoengineering program is real.
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All this evidence amounts to nothing, and I didn't cut things out where he dropped bombshells.
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This seems to be all he's got, other than whatever is in that super cool folder of his.
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This is the part of the episode where I could descend into a protected list of all the times
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that supposed chemtrail scientists have had their shit debunked, every embarrassing attempt
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to prove this shit, but I'm not here to prove it negative.
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Alex's job was to show that Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden were liars and wrong to say
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that chemtrails aren't real, and he's failed in his task worse than Project Storm Fury.
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To be clear, I recognize that Alex is just doing this whole segment to try and bait Joe
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into having him back on his podcast.
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I really just wanted to read something for this episode.
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I understand.
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So here we are.
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I understand.
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I know it feels good.
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Yeah.
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I got you.
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It's great.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Alex is mad about Joe Rogan.
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Sure.
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And so he starts screaming about DMT stuff.
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I was on Joe's podcast earlier this year, and I said there's a secret government program
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giving people DMT to map out these new dimensions and speak to these entities.
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I've never taken it.
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I just know about the programs.
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He had a professor on two months later saying exactly that.
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And they just announced it, that they're doing DMT drips.
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People are staying in it up to 10 hours and that they're like astronauts going in and
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actually mapping these other dimensions and these entities and the government believes
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it's aliens.
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Sure.
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Exactly what I told you precisely, because I heard it when I was eight years old around
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the dinner table and on some road trips with people involved in the project.
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Okay.
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So I think Alex is talking about Rick Strassman, who's the guy who wrote the Spirit Molecule.
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And this dude, Strassman, has been working for a long time to prolong the DMT trip through
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like an IV drip, at least back to 2016.
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Like there was an article in Vice about it back then.
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I'm not sure if that dude's ever been on Rogan's show, but I bet he has been.
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I bet he would be.
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Yeah, why not?
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He's the guy about DMT and Joe is the other guy about DMT.
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I didn't look through all of Rogan's episodes, but I was scrolling through them and his name
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didn't come up, at least in the timeframe that Alex is talking about.
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But I would bet anything that I own that whoever was the guest was talking about Strassman's
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research.
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This has nothing to do with the government thinking that people are talking to aliens
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and getting their commands for the higher ups and the demon world.
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But honestly, if the government were researching that, why wouldn't they?
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Government grants are behind all sorts of scientific research.
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And if some people who take DMT think that they're talking to aliens, why the hell wouldn't
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that be an area worth exploring?
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If you research that, it doesn't mean that you actually believe that people are talking
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to aliens.
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You could very well be interested in learning more about the parts of the brain that are
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involved in hallucinations.
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There are plenty of avenues for research here that are agnostic towards the existence of
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trans-dimensional demon aliens.
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Put simply, Alex is fucking stupid.
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None of this means anything.
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Yep.
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I mean, they're studying LSD and MDMA and the like for possible treatments for PTSD
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and all of those things.
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Why not add DMT in there?
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Let's figure some shit out.
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Prohibition doesn't work.
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There are a great deal of applications for research and uses for this other than mapping
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out a spirit world to talk to demon aliens.
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I remember...
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Although I wouldn't take that off the list.
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No, no.
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And people who were studying lucid dreaming, there's some researchers who were doing that.
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That's the terms in which they were talking about that too, like mapping out these subconscious
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worlds.
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It's sort of a way of contextualizing it in your mind when it's not like you're actually
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going in and doing cartography or something.
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If you have a scientist give you an exact technical definition of what it is they're
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doing, your eyes glaze over and you're not paying attention.
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If you have them give you a metaphor that allows you to make sense of what they're talking
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about, Alex Jones will take it out of context and destroy the world.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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But Joe talks to aliens, right?
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Right.
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Well, that's of course.
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And now Alex says people are talking to aliens, but now Alex is the crazy one?
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That's true.
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But oh, that's kooky.
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Joe Rogan says he talks to aliens, takes the DMT, believes it.
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But then when I point out it's a big globalist project and these aliens are telling the globalist
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what to do to change our atmosphere and prepare it for themselves, I'm the kook, even though
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it's all true.
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All right, let's just go back.
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So when I come back, I'm going to play these clips, but let's start getting to Snowden
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with Joe, here it is.
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So now apparently the entire chemtrail thing is about people taking DMT, talking to demon
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aliens who are telling them to geoform the planet in order to make it hospitable for
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them to come because I guess they can't breathe oxygen.
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This is...
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Yeah.
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And if you disagree with that, that sounds crazy, Dan.
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Do you understand that this is where it's gone?
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Yeah, yeah.
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His big segment where he's trying to call out Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden because he
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has all the proof about chemtrails that's now spiraled into DMT aliens are telling the
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government to geoform the planet.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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We are off the fucking rails.
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Yeah.
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And that's how you know it's right.
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This is where I'm like, all right.
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We're in straight up Project Camelot land.
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I've looked into your specifics, I reject them, and now I embrace your bullshit.
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So anyway, Alex is mad at Snowden about this and I find something he says in this next
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clip very interesting.
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I'm refreshed to have somebody be mad at Snowden for a new reason.
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This is nice.
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It's interesting.
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I have not heard anybody be mad at Snowden about DMT before, so this is great.
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That's part of the reason, but I think that Alex says something revealing here.
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But the main thing is conspiracy theories, right?
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Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense.
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It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is calling the shots, that these
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things all happen for a reason, this, that, and the other.
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Well, when I had Steve Pacinek on, when he first came out, Pacinek said he likes for
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us the externalization of the method.
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And I was like, oh, that's not true, Pacinek.
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Turns out it's true.
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That was all scripted.
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That's the standard line.
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Okay.
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So Alex has been pretty consistent in his support of Edward Snowden because he revealed
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information that tended to help Alex create conspiracy theories.
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The stuff Snowden released, generally speaking, was well in line with the view that the U.S.
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was evil, which jibed real well with Alex's anti-government shit.
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But now he's said that there's no evidence of chemtrails and Alex has decided Steve was
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right all along and that Snowden was controlled opposition.
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Man, it's a bad day.
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Now what I find most interesting about that is that Steve has been anti-Snowden from the
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jump, but that actually works pretty well for my theory that Steve gets all of his information
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from Stratfor, the intelligence operation.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They would also be pretty heavily against Edward Snowden.
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Oh, you might think that.
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Yeah.
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If you recall, in our episode where we covered Steve in depth, we discussed how WikiLeaks'
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Stratfor email dump included a bunch of customer service emails from Steve Pechenik, where
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we learned that since at least the mid, early to mid 2000s, Steve has been a lifetime member
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of their privately produced intelligence products and their publications.
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A 2016 article put out by Stratfor includes discussing Snowden as an example of a quote
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internal threat.
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In 2013, Stratfor founder George Friedman wrote an op-ed in Forbes titled, quote, keeping
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the NSA in perspective, where he argues that the spying programs revealed by Snowden aren't
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really that big a deal.
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Quote, the revelations about PRISM are far from new or interesting in themselves.
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The NSA was created with a charter to do these things and given the state of technology,
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it was inevitable that the NSA would be capturing communications around the world.
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Many leaks prior to Snowden showed that the NSA was doing this.
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It would have been more newsworthy if the leak revealed that the NSA had not been capturing
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all the communications.
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It seems like Stratfor has a bit of a not super into Snowden streak.
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Yeah.
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And that would make sense.
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I think they did just put together, I think the best argument for dissolving the NSA entirely,
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right?
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Seems like it.
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Literally what he just said was, well, of course they were going to break the constitution.
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Duh.
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They are essentially a private version of an intelligence agency.
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They share common cause with something like the NSA.
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So they would likely see Snowden similarly to how the NSA would as an internal threat.
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It's possible this doesn't mean anything, but this is definitely a position you'd expect
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to see from someone who is just regurgitating private intelligence company products.
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So that, you know, that's a little bit of a huh.
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It fits in line there.
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So now that Alex has jumped off into talking about how the chemtrails are really just part
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of a grand DMT alien conspiracy.
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I'm still struggling to wrap my head around that one, but we can move on.
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I thought that he was done presenting evidence.
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Right.
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Well, it turns out he's not.
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There's some Pleiadians involved now.
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Nope.
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Unless Brennan, former director of the CIA, Brennan is a Pleiadian right as he plays a
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clip of him here.
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And this is a little bit of a longer clip, but I think it merits playing.
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So let's play that at the time, the director of the CIA specifically repeating what we
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said they were doing 20 years ago.
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Another example is the array of technologies often referred to collectively as geoengineering
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that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change.
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One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection or S.A.I.,
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a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's
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heat in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.
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An essay I program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated
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with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition
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from fossil fuels.
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This process is also relatively inexpensive.
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The National Research Research Council estimates that a fully deployed essay program would
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cost about 10 billion dollars yearly.
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As promising as it may be, moving forward on essay, I would also raise a number of challenges
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for our government and for the international community.
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On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany essay
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I to address other climate change effects such as ocean acidification, because essay
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I alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.
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On the geopolitical side, the technology's potential to alter weather patterns and benefit
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certain regions of the world at the expense of other regions could trigger sharp opposition
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by some nations.
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Researchers might seize on essay I's benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon
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dioxide reductions.
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And as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to
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guide the deployment and implementation of essay I and other geoengineering initiatives.
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But Edward Snowden said it didn't exist on the cool trendy show.
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You got him, Alex.
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See how that works?
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See how that works?
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See how that works?
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Nothing that Brennan said in that clip can be taken really to mean that there is a program,
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there is a potential thing that had been researched.
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He's talking about this in the terms of this would or implementing this would create a
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number of issues that would need to be resolved.
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He's talking about this in a hypothetical sense.
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You can't introduce this as evidence that something does exist.
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No one can deny that research has been done on similar topics.
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No one can deny that cloud seeding isn't something that has been done.
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But to extrapolate it into the conspiracy that he's pushing is completely absurd.
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No, no, no, no.
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I saw somebody with a slingshot, so that means that, you know, we can control the weather.
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Sure.
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That's pretty simple.
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I think that's how it works.
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So here is the last clip in our segment that I'm going to call Alex is a conspiracy dumb
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dumb.
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I can show you the Smithsonian articles, the department of energy articles, the department
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of defense articles.
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I mean, I can show you all these and Bill Gates runs it.
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It's like he runs the inoculation program and he admits us to get the population of
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humans down.
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So roll your sleeves up.
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You smug asshole.
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Wow.
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Like, uh, I mean, I got all these things I could show you, but I've already proved my
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case.
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I don't think that's allowed.
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I don't think, I don't think that's okay.
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So anyway, that's the end of this segment.
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The Alex has too much evidence segment of our, uh, our show.
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Yeah.
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So now we get to the, the, the real meat, the steve pachanic meat.
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Steve is back.
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Oh boy.
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Oh man.
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So great.
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So great on so many levels.
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I could, I could listen to Steve yell at Alex all day.
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Is he really rude to him the whole time?
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Well there's an interesting dynamic and that is that Alex is really, he really lets him
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talk because I think that Alex has been humbled, uh, by, by Steve and so Alex, I don't, I don't
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know what the actual dynamic behind the scenes is or how it's changed over the year plus
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that he hasn't been on, but Alex does seem far less willing to fight with him.
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Um, and Steve is up to his old tricks.
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You know how whenever in the past Alex would introduce him, he would flatter Alex with
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like you're the best.
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Yeah.
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He's upped his game a little bit.
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Oh boy.
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Are we going to get a real brown nose on this one?
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No, no, no.
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It takes a completely different form.
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Okay.
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This is amazing.
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Doc, good to have you back with us.
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It's a pleasure to be back.
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Thank you for getting me back on the show.
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We are in interesting times.
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Let me summarize it very briefly.
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Jefferson said it, our founding father said it very clearly.
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He said, in Liberty, we will have to sacrifice the blood of Patriots and tyrants.
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And that's exactly what's happening.
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Steve immediately quotes Jefferson.
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He is the best at this.
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No!
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He's so good.
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Don't quote Jefferson!
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He's so good at manipulating Alex.
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We've got a complete moratorium on quotes.
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But that one is actually, he's using it as close to, uh, accurately as anybody does.
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That's fine, but I'm still calling a moratorium on Jefferson quotes.
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But it's so fascinating that that is exactly what you do at Alex.
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Oh yeah.
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Like, hey Alex, you quote Jefferson all the goddamn time.
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And his heart explodes with patriotism and he's like, whatever you have to say next after
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your, he's fucking saluting Steve Pagenek right now.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, you know, they start talking about the impeachment a little bit, the impeachment
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inquiry.
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And uh, Steve naturally thinks it's a waste.
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What you're seeing is millions and millions of dollars wasted on a process that will,
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I will guarantee you, end up where Trump will be reelected in 2020.
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There's no question of it.
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This is the demise of the Democratic Party.
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They are in a spiral of self destruction along with much of what we would consider the deep
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state.
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So why, why aren't you for it then?
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Like, shouldn't you be so thrilled Trump is getting impeached?
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Yeah, of course.
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Because it's the demise of the Democratic Party and the end of the deep state.
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It's the waste of millions of dollars, the deep state's going down and Trump's going
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to get reelected.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You should be cheerleading for this impeachment.
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I don't understand why he's so sad about it.
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This is, uh, they, they, he's, he's really worried that the government is wasting money.
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I think that's the main issue here.
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He's just like, oh, there's this few million dollars could have been reallocated, right?
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So there's a soft coup going on.
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Yeah.
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Which there was in 2015.
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Yeah.
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Always.
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There's always a fucking soft coup.
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We're on coup, uh, counter, counter, counter.
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This is like great, great, great grandparents.
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I don't know if this is just restarted and it's a whole nother coup or whatever, but
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apparently it has something to do with Yale.
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Um, anyway, here's Steve explaining it, whatever, but you had on one end, you had Jerry Post
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and you have psychiatrists who are trying to claim that Trump is nuts and self-destructive.
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On the other hand, you have George Conway who comes out of Yale and is the husband of
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Collie as, as Conway, Collie and Conway who works at the Trump administration.
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He's from Yale, Post is from Yale, I got Bolton from Yale, I've got Woodward from Yale, I
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got Bushes from Yale, I got Cheney from Yale.
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Is there something I'm trying to get at in terms of the nidus of this civil war or whatever
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you want to call it, a coup attempt?
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It's a soft coup because we're not using military forces and military forces will not be used.
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We're not in the business of using military forces.
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If we have to, we will do it.
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But quite frankly, now we are now really in the business of taking down their soft coup
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and that's what I was doing with my videos after I attacked Nancy Pelosi.
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That's what you've always been doing.
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That's what you were doing on Alex's show in late 2015 and he convinced him to get him
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bored with Trump.
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This is always the, the narrative is a soft coup going on and we've got to subvert democracy
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in order to stop it.
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It's just a, it's, and when you say who's we, he always talks like this.
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It's crazy.
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He thought when he talks about the military, he's like, I've got a hundred thousand men
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overseas.
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It's like, you do?
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Nobody's calling you buddy.
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I got to get Steve on the phone.
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We've, oh man.
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So the democratic party is imploding here according to Steve and this is interesting
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because this is pretty much the only reference to Bloomberg running on the show and it comes
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from Steve.
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So what you see in effect is a very ineffectual, a feet party, self-destructing in the midst
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of what really is a Republican revolution and in fact, the reason Michael Bloomberg
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had to come in, he saw the same thing you and I saw, which was the fact there's nobody
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in the democratic party who could be a viable candidate.
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Bernie Sanders is a joke.
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I've listened to him in Warner, New Hampshire.
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He's the socialist.
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He's a multimillionaire socialist from book advances.
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If I could get his book advances, I'll go to his publishers, but I don't get multimillion
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dollar advances.
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So he's, you know, you've got Warren who's basically losing it as well.
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She has no credibility and then you have the four, whatever you want to call it, amigas
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who work together and destroying the party.
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So you really have nobody there.
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Biden I said is mentally ill.
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He has a problem with an aneurysm.
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All okay.
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All of the people that he named beat Trump in national polls, head to head.
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So did Hillary did fair enough, but, but you understand.
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Like, uh, the, the, the squad aren't running for president amigas, they aren't running
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for president.
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No, they're in there.
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They're in the race.
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They're doing it anyway.
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I don't care about his analysis.
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This seems thin.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Also racist.
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Let's not forget that they go to break and uh, this is coming back from break.
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I just think that this is so hilarious and it has nothing to do with Steve, but this
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is so dumb
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carpe donk Tim at mean world.com it's also up on info wars.com has released a amazing
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new meme.
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We'll play at the start of the next hour.
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It's on info wars.com.
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I hope you spread it.
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The triumphant star Wars music kill me.
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Kill me right now.
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Well, he's got a new meme.
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That's not how you Jesus Christ, nothing says this meme grew organically.
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Like a Alex Jones announcing it on info wars.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Jesus Christ.
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He's just imagine that swelling music.
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Alex comes back on and he's like, well, uh, carpe donk Tim's got a new Reddit thread.
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Jesus.
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I know.
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Right.
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Promoting something just fucking stupid.
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The most insignificant thing I could imagine.
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Yeah.
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So Steve started out a little slow, but trust me, he gets up to speed real fast.
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Okay.
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So Jeffrey Epstein died.
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Um, a lot of people have a lot of feelings about it.
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I bet Steve's are really good.
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So there are people who say he's murdered.
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Yes.
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Some people who say he committed suicide, right?
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There's a third group of people waiting for Steve to give me some fire.
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There's a third group of people who are very crazy.
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Um, and Steve isn't dead.
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I was surprised that one, that our attorney general didn't do anything when Epstein quote
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was killed.
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There was no such thing as Epstein being killed or in any way slaughtered in a cell.
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Epstein was part of the CIA Mossad group and he knew as well as I did when bar that we
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take out our own people and we send them overseas.
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There was no death of Epstein.
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Oh boy.
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Jeffrey Epstein's alive.
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I knew it.
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I fucking knew it, man.
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I knew it.
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Well, you know, when, uh, you know, when, when ideas of it being, it being a murder
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are too popular, you need to go further.
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Oh, absolutely.
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So for someone like Steve, he's not fucking dead, man.
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His tolerance is so high for crazy that like, you know, in order to even feel it, he's got
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to go, he's got to go so much further than normal.
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Right, right, right.
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So yeah.
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Epstein's not dead.
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He's the guy in the sixties like, man, I got to do three tabs of acid just to get going.
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Yep.
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That's my morning.
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Yeah, he is.
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That's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, Steve, as we know, was a consultant, uh, initially at the state department in 1974
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for like, uh, then he was two years until he was brought in as a deputy assistant secretary
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of state.
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Um, and he was in that position for a short period of time.
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Um, but in this clip, he sort of rewrites his history and now what his job was, he rewrites
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his history again.
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Well, it was his job to come in and fire everybody doesn't have the most ruthless people, people
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like me and others.
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We get rid of them quickly.
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My job was to come into the state department and fire at will.
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It was the same thing in the intelligence community.
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There is no such thing in the intelligence community that Trump is incompetent, but only
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by not knowing how to root these criminals out.
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Correct.
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I was brought in, I fired everybody, fired, fired, the dumbest and worst people who are
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the ones who brag about coming in and firing people like Trump on his TV show.
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You guys are so fucking stupid.
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So you know, he fired a ton of people and it led to a situation where the state departments
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that, uh, Steve was working ran out of people.
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Apparently listen to this shit, Alex.
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The irony is he's not as tough as he should have been.
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You bring in guys like me or you, we would get rid of them.
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Why do I need 75,000 people in the state department?
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It's a joke.
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When I worked for Kissinger, we had at most nine to 10 people and Henry had a deal with
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15,000 when I worked with James Baker, he had three or four people and I was part of
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that group.
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He couldn't figure out what to do with 15,000 man.
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The state department has list of employees you can find pretty easily and Steve's numbers
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are nowhere near correct.
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I have no idea what he's trying to express by saying that Kissinger had like 10 guys
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and that was the department, but I suspect it's a reflection of how uninvolved Steve
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actually was in the bigger picture.
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Like I would believe that his office had like nine or 10 guys in it, but man, the state
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department is really big and it always has been.
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How come you never, how come you never honestly asked the question, why does the state department
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need 75,000 people?
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Well, I mean, consider just for a moment that ambassadors are part of the state department.
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Exactly.
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Then think about how that's just one part of the state department.
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You start to realize there's a ton of people working under that umbrella.
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To put it bluntly, Steve is talking straight up bullshit here.
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This is nonsense.
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Why do you need 75,000 people working for the, cause there's a lot of shit to do.
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There are a lot of countries.
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There's a lot of intricate diplomacy.
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Cause there's a lot of shit to do.
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So fuck all that.
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Steve says, fire the state department.
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Now we have 75,000 fire them.
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I do not need a state department.
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I don't care if an individual is elegant and nice.
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He served in Vietnam.
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They are irrelevant.
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Well, let's pull back from this.
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I think even Alex is like, hold on now.
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That's crazy.
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I hate, I hate big government, but what you're advocating for is literally a dictatorship
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where it's just you.
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At least it's like, that's not functional.
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The state department being like a couple of dudes.
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What do you, what do you need a diplomat to, you know, what, what are those, what are those
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other countries called?
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I could China, what do you need a diplomat for?
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You got me.
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I could see it working.
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No, I can't.
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Nevermind.
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Nope.
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Not possible.
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So, uh, they could get to talking about, uh, you know, Trump being corrupt, being the greatest
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like, uh, you know, maybe enriching himself.
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Yeah.
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He is corrupt.
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Sure.
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Steve does not seem to care.
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Oh, can Trump be saved in your view and what are the plays they're going to use against
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him?
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They're going to use several things.
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One, it came out, Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump had been, uh, self-aggrandizing in their money
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and they've gotten wealthier deal every other president of the United States for the first
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time in our history.
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We have a businessman and I've had to explain this to my intelligence units, a businessman.
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It does what he has to do.
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I don't care if he makes money, he loses money.
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I don't particularly care if he pays tax or he doesn't, the president of the United States,
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he can fire at will.
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I think he might not be into this constitution.
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He is not like the constitution.
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Oh, these guys who love the constitution, hate the constitution.
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He's a businessman.
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He's a businessman.
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He does what he has to do.
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Wow.
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Fuck you.
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I would, I would be interested to be a fly on the wall when he was explaining that to
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the entire intelligence community that he runs secretly, apparently.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Okay, cool.
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Steve.
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So a man, Steve comes out real in favor of Putin and this appearance, which isn't too
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surprising based on some of the stuff he was saying in like 2016, 2017.
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But it's a little very strong support here.
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We have national security interest.
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National security interest means business.
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So when anybody attacks Putin, give me a break.
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Number one, I was involved in the takedown of the Soviet Union.
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We had an agreement that was in writing.
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There is no such thing as the Russians invaded Crimea.
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Crimea is part of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades and centuries, but you knocked
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it down.
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Okay.
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Steve.
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Okay, Steve.
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Wow.
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So it gets even crazier.
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Putin.
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It's strong.
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He has an idea.
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Exactly.
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He wants to work with Trump.
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Putin has a great respect for America.
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He could care less about our elections.
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I've known about the day he came in because I was at the Jerzy square and the KGB headquarters
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where I knew beforehand that Putin would be the head of the KGB 20 years ago and my own,
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the operatives in the KGB didn't know who he was.
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So we put in Putin there because we needed somebody to control the remainder of what
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was Russia.
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It's becoming clear to me that Steve Pechenik is a megalomaniac.
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That is wild.
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He presents a world where he's been involved in literally every single thing that has set
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the stage for the world we live in to come into existence.
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Yeah.
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We set up the East India Tea Company and that's how we spread the rule of law to China.
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His hand has touched every piece on the chessboard.
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We all think we have free will, but in reality, everything has been Steve all along.
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I can't think of a worse universe.
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I don't believe any of this shit and I definitely don't believe that Steve had anything to do
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with Putin's rise in the KGB.
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Steve chose Putin.
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Putin owes Steve everything, Dan.
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The timeline just doesn't make sense.
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Putin joined the KGB in 1975 and in 1974, Steve had just entered the State Department
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as a consultant.
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He wasn't even a deputy assistant secretary until 1976.
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This is all bullshit, but it fits Steve's pattern so well.
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I kind of love it.
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I could listen to Alex get yelled at by this grandiose old man for days, just waiting to
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hear what the next major world event he decides to take credit for is.
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I know.
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I know.
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We're Forrest Gump-ing our way through every fucking...
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Yeah.
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When I was there at the Gulf of Tonkin, I was like, okay, god damn it, man.
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Go off, Steve.
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All right.
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Here we go.
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All right.
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Also, in 2005, Steve wrote an op-ed for the American Intelligence Journal titled Putin
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KGB Forever, which mysteriously doesn't mention him knowing anything about Putin before he
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became president of Russia.
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It's also super anti-Putin.
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Are you sure he didn't carve that into a tree?
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Putin KGB Forever.
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He may have also.
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With a heart around it.
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On that op-ed, quote, what is certain at this point in time is that Putin has muzzled the
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Russian press, sidelined rivals, or jettisoned them into prison.
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He's kept parliament prerogatives as meager as they may have been.
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And once again, like all good KGB operatives, he's disseminated intimidation and secrecy,
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at once silencing domestic cries for security reform and political accountability.
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Steve in that op-ed literally argues that America doing nothing and viewing Putin's
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actions as domestic issues will lead to a, quote, serious problem that he describes as,
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quote, Russia's neighbors in Eastern and Central Europe will be justifiably concerned about
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political destabilization of their regions.
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Huh.
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What big country in Eastern Europe that was justifiably concerned about Russian destabilization
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of their country?
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What is an example of that?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Maybe fucking Ukraine?
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Nah, I don't think so.
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I don't think so.
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I take everything back that I said in that last episode that we did where I said that
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Steve is consistent.
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He's just consistent in hating neo-cons, which isn't that impressive, all things considered.
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He's deeply inconsistent.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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That's pretty-
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Anyway, he installed Putin.
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That's pretty dynamite that his psyops are still lasting.
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Years ago, the reason that he told everybody that was because he assumed that they wouldn't
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take him seriously, because he had chosen Putin.
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And of course, as we know, the globalists by law have to announce what they are doing
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before they do it.
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People have to tacitly agree with it.
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This shit's so dumb.
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Thus, Steve Pachanik has to put it out in a journal that Putin is going to do what he's
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going to do.
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Years later, we find we're here.
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And in order to facilitate Putin continuing his power, Steve now has to run a psyop saying
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that he's not using his power.
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It makes perfect sense.
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Easier explanation.
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Okay.
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Steve's crazy.
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Oh, right.
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That one works too.
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But Alex, and to some extent, I guess, Steve, are pretty convinced that Mitt Romney is going
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to be the ringleader of the impeachment when it comes to the Senate.
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And Steve says something real interesting here.
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The people aren't going to vote for the Democrats.
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They've done nothing.
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They're actually in a self-destructive mode.
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The Republicans have to be very careful.
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Mitt Romney is not a Republican.
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Mitt Romney is a Mormon, an elder of the church, who is a coward.
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I said it years ago-
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Hold on, we got to go to break, but Mitt Romney is the guy that's going to lead the impeachment
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against Trump.
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I agree with that.
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So when we come back, I want to talk about this.
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So that's a very weird pairing of sentences.
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Mitt Romney is not a Republican.
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He's a Mormon.
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Yep.
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That's strange.
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And you know what?
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It follows into this next clip where Steve is talking about how like, we got to get a
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Mormon to neutralize the Romney threat.
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It's very strange as if we need, he's like, all right, our team needs a Mormon.
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Yeah.
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And I would get rid of Pompeo as the secretary of state and put in John Huntsman.
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The reason for that is very simple.
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Huntsman worked underneath me as an ambassador to Singapore.
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He speaks Chinese.
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He was our ambassador to Russia.
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He's loyal to the president.
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And at the same time, he despises Mitt Romney.
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So I have a Mormon of a higher quality and wealthier than Mitt Romney.
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And that's Huntsman.
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Huntsman could easily take out Mitt Romney.
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So I've got a rich.
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My Mormons better than your Mormon, you dumb fuck.
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So weird.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Are we, we're doing secret wars.
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That's it.
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We're doing a comic book mashup event where we've got Steve Pachannik choosing the fucking
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Marvel universe versus the DC universe on the goddamn globalist side.
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So we've got fucking.
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That's what we've entered now.
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We've entered in this part of Steve's interview with Alex.
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He is fantasy baseballing, the administration, and guess what, guess what?
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Steve's got a job.
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Okay.
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I would hire somebody like myself to come in and clean out that entire white house,
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get rid of the 2000 people on national security council, get rid of anything to do with the
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state department and start coming into the state department and start cutting down on
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the 16 different intelligence units that I have.
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I get rid of the DNI directive, national intelligence.
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That's nonsense.
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Get rid of the inspector general.
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That's nonsense.
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And at the same time, when you do that kind of firing, you set in motion and incredible
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counter revolution that people will say, thank you, Mr. President.
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Thank you.
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Literally what he's describing is I will go into the white house and get rid of any and
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every possible oversight into what anybody does.
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And any possible dissent.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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He's calling for a night of long nights.
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What do you call that?
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So with all his constant talk of wanting to eliminate the intelligence community, as he's
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clearly screaming about there, it's really important to remind you that in one of the
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emails that WikiLeaks released in their Stratfor dump, Steve wrote to Stratfor customer service
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email line and said, quote, continue the great job.
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Soon we will not need our expensive, ineffective, bloated government agencies.
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In 2004, Steve wrote an op-ed for the journal American Intelligence Journal, arguing for
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a nearly complete outsourcing of intelligence operations to private companies.
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He is an insanely huge supporter of businesses doing spy work, which I think is a pretty
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bad idea.
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Yeah.
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But here's the thing.
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He never makes that actual argument on Alex's show.
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He always presents this stuff super disingenuously.
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The goal he's working towards is private intelligence companies spying on civilians like Stratfor
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taking over a ton of the responsibilities of the US intelligence community.
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But instead of saying that on Alex's show, he'll say things like, all these people at
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the CIA are doing nothing.
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He'll couch it.
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But his real motivation is very clear from his actions that have been consistent over
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the years.
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He's using Alex's anti-government leanings to his advantage.
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Now, granted, I believe that Steve is also fairly anti-government, but I don't believe
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that this aspect of his character is based on some small government principle.
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I have no idea exactly why he would want private companies spying in the same way I have no
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idea why someone would think private armies like Blackwater would be an okay thing to
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have.
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I can't nail down the exact explanation, but I know for sure that it's not good.
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By elevating Steve and helping him further his agenda, Alex is wittingly or unwittingly
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help move us closer to a world that is not more free and privacy is not more protected.
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It will just be for-profit businesses that are doing the bulk of the spying as opposed
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to the government.
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So, cool.
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This guy really is on the tip of the spear fighting against tyranny.
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Man, that is wild that anybody could think a private intelligence agency is going to
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...
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Steve loves it.
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Especially if there are multiple... Because the idea there would be privatization means
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that intelligence agencies will compete with each other and whoever gets the best intelligence
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is going to win out.
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I can't see any problems with that.
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That's like saying that torture gives you the best information.
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You're going to get what you want to get out of it.
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That's how the fucking consumerist nature of it goes.
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You're not going to get the best information, you're going to get the information you want
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to pay for.
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It would be not good.
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No, it would be the worst end of everything.
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It would be a disaster.
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Anyway, Steve seems to be calling for basically a purge of people in these government places
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that are disloyal or oversight related and Alex seems to be on board with it.
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Well, for 24 hours, all crime is legal.
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So, Dr. Steve Pechenik, one of the founders of Delta Force, ran major operations, the
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State Department, CIA, you name it, regime change, uniquely positioned to be able to
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... The technical expert for a lot of Clancy's books, to really give us a actual assessment,
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I agree with everything he's saying, of what's going on.
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But your message to the president and also your message to the president about what you
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were just saying earlier, if we see some action, some real head starting to roll, this is going
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to energize everybody and it's going to guarantee, I believe, victory.
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But right now, they don't respect the president because they have gotten away with literally
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like a cat in your house, pissing all over the furniture.
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I mean, these guys need to be whacked upside the head.
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I agree.
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Just a small point, as a cat friend, co-habitator with a cat, let's say, that's not how you
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discipline a cat.
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That's how you create a very mean cat.
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You will break the bond that you have with the cat if you discipline them through like
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physical violence or something.
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What Alex is suggesting doesn't work metaphorically, it doesn't work actually.
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And he's supporting the idea that Steve has of a purge, which he gets into a little bit
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more here, just screaming more about how he wants to fire everybody in the intelligence
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community.
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The truth of the matter is, we have to be tougher with our own Republicans and get rid
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of these people because they're not really Republicans.
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They're grandiose sycophants who want to be in power.
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In turn, I would clean out all of the institutions.
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I do not need 75,000 people in the State Department.
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I barely need a few ambassadors.
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In a time when I have the internet and financial diplomacy-
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I don't need a whole embassy overseas wasting millions and millions of dollars.
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I don't need six intelligence units that repeat what they do and I don't have an integrated
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human capability.
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That's stupid.
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It's a testament to Steve's ability that he can say that these are spineless sycophants
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who just want power.
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What I would do if I had all this power- Is help you retain all that power.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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The problem is that Steve would do all this.
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You'd fire everybody.
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It'd be great.
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Yes.
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In a sycophantic power fantasy, yes.
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But Trump, whose catchphrase is you're fired, is too nice to fire everybody.
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He's a coward.
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Now, there's a solution to this problem.
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What's that?
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I'm miked down for this because I'm really worried you'll start screaming, not because
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this is infuriating, but because it's one of the most ludicrous things I think I've
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ever heard someone seriously suggest.
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I'm going to say something that most people don't really understand.
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The irony of Trump is that he's really a nice guy.
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He's not mentally insane like Jerry Post said to the CIA.
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Post doesn't know what he's talking about.
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He's far more afraid of firing people because he can't do it in front of him.
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The ones who can do it, ironically, are Ivanka Trump, Melania's the one I would go to because
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she's the person I would trust the most, came out of a communist system, speaks fortified
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language.
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She knows exactly what's going on in the White House.
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In fact, it turns out usually she's the one that's gotten a lot of these people fired.
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That's the one I would work with.
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So now we're going to have Melania fire everybody.
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This spirals out of control to levels that I don't think anybody could ever imagine.
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In this next clip...
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You were afraid I was going to... I have no words.
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Somebody just said that we should hand all of this power to Melania Trump so she can
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fire people?
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They talk about that a little bit more in this next clip.
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No, you can't.
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There's nothing more to say.
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That's the end of the sentence, and then please stop listening to me.
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There's so many more things to say.
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No, there's no.
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So they talk about it a little more.
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I think what the kids call this is these dudes are being horny on main.
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Is that the term people use?
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Sure.
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You know, and that's something that would really captivate women out there.
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We're always talking about women in power.
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That would be a great move as well.
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Melania is one of the most powerful, intelligent, certainly most beautiful...
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Yeah.
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Have you ever been around her in person?
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No.
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I know why Trump married her, because super hot women don't intimidate me, but she is
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definitely has a super presence.
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You're like, uh-huh.
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I mean, it's something about her.
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She's very... I don't want to say masculine, but I mean, she's a big woman too, and it's
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imposing.
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Great.
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Great.
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Did he just...
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This is great.
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This is great stuff, man.
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I just-
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This is gross.
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Yeah.
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These guys are so gross.
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They're so gross.
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And you know what's even funnier too is that at one point, Alex is like, this isn't one
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of those normal shows where people talk about bullshit.
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This is real politique.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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You guys are just talking about Melania being a-
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Melania's so hot.
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She should fire everybody.
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She's so hot.
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She should fire everybody.
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It would be great.
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You'd turn me on.
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And you know what?
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That would swing the woman.
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All the women would be like, look at this woman firing people, and she's hot, but also
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she's big and a little masculine.
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It's intimidating.
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You just, oh, you just get in there.
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I'm not intimidated normally, but whoa.
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But the issue is that Trump needs more ruthless people, and they're viewing Melania as possibly
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a ruthless person.
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And Steve also brings up like she knows about communism and whatever, but this clip ends
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kind of funny, and it makes me think that Steve might be divorced.
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The point I'm trying to get at is we need to have people in there who are far more ruthless
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than the president.
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It sounds bizarre, but that's exactly what we're-
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No, it's true.
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He has that hard ass supposed patina, but people that really know Trump, that's not
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the case.
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No, it's not.
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He's sweet.
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He's been sweet to everybody.
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He-
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He does stuff like he's called up my wife to congratulate her when we got married a
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couple of years ago, and I don't even know how he found that out.
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Well, congratulations, but honestly, you and I, no, wives are expensive, but let's go on
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to the next one.
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Oh boy.
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Yikes, Steve.
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Wives are expensive.
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I had to take the old crow to Korea one year.
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You sound bitter.
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Bitter is the word I would use for that.
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Steve, no, wives are expensive.
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Oh boy.
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His response, I guess he didn't know Alex got remarried, and he was like, oh, congratulations.
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Wives are expensive.
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Yeah.
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Oh man.
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Fucking creep.
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Old creep.
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These two guys together are just fucking gross, gross old men.
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Yeah.
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There's no other way to put it.
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Yeah.
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This last clip I think is where we get into like real dangerous, like it's real silly
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for him to be like, you know, Melania should fire everybody.
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It's dumb, whatever.
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This actually is advocating and even like, I guess you could say that like firing everybody
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in the state department and stuff, should anyone act on that?
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Incredibly dumb.
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Yeah.
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But this is where it's like, all right, you are out of line.
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The real next point is the fact that Trump really needs to clean out his cabinet quickly
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and without any excuse, I need an attorney general who can fire and hire.
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I can't wait for the judicial courts.
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I'm not a great believer in judges.
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I am a great believer in an attorney general and an head of the FBI who can put people
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in prison ASAP.
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The due process of the law does not work in the United States.
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It's been a farce.
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Literally due process is one of the defining features of the West, according to Alex, along
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with private property, owning guns and free speech.
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The very idea that he would allow someone to come on his show and express a desire to
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do away with due process is incredibly telling.
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You can't be philosophically in favor of due process and the constitution and not a lot
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of this shit to stand.
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But, of course, Alex has been completely humbled by Steve and now Steve can do whatever the
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fuck he wants on this show.
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Steve and Alex didn't ever really agree on a whole lot, the more you think about it.
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Alex thought they did because Steve was fucking with him for years and blinding him with flattery.
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But now Alex is much closer to Steve's point of view, wanting to perform an internal coup,
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a shoring up of power.
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Now that Alex is reasonably certain that the president who would become the authoritarian
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ruler is primarily sympathetic to heterosexual white Christian males, he doesn't really give
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a shit.
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That's kind of like fomenting a coup to create an authoritarian state is kind of in line
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with a lot of the stuff that Steve has been primarily interested in for a long time, provided
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it's the right kind of ruler.
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So now they're far more in line than they used to be.
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Alex has been brought to that level where Steve can come on and be like, due process
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doesn't work.
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And Alex can be like, I made my career yelling about due process, but you know what?
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I agree with you on everything.
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Getting rid of it would defeat the globalists.
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You've gotten to this point where everything you stand for means nothing.
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The more I think about it, the more inclined I am towards the belief that Steve is very
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responsible for the situation Alex is in right now.
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Like I mean, he completely fucked up Alex's life is what I mean.
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It was Steve who first gave Alex the supposed inside information that confirmed his conspiracies
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about 9-11.
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It was Steve who was the first person to tell Alex that the victims and survivors of Sandy
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Hook were all actors.
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It was Steve who helped convince Alex to support Trump by telling him bullshit stories of a
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coup and a counter coup that needed Alex's help.
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If we're going to make it, we need your help.
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If you take Steve out of the equation of Alex's show, he probably wouldn't have made nearly
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as much money over time, but he also never would be in the sorry state he is in now.
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He got fucked over by a manipulative psychopath, and now, because Alex is so desperate for
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an audience, he's got to go crawling back to that same toxic influence he managed to
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avoid for over a year.
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And for what?
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Most of Steve's videos on YouTube get like 20,000 views.
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If that's enough for Alex to go chasing and come to the point where he's like letting
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someone be like due process doesn't work, Alex is in way worse shape than we were even
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thinking.
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Yeah.
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Man, does Steve ever say the type of government that he would prefer?
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I mean, you just call it a republic and you're fine.
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Yeah.
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I mean, literally he is describing- It's a dictatorship.
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A fascist- Yeah, a combination of the corporate spy agencies
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with an authoritarian leader.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What is that?
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What we should do is we should have a small group of oligarchs, we'll call them a Politburo,
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and we'll have them all fight each other for my approval.
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And if they lose it, then I will kill them and erase them from photographs.
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There's a very simple system, I don't understand.
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And who cares if this leader that we have is a business person who's directly altering
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the way they operate in order to further their business interests?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's fine.
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Nobody's ever seen a corrupt billionaire dictator before.
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No.
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Never.
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None.
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Those are mutually exclusive things.
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I definitely didn't set one up in Russia.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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I mean- These dudes are insane.
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Yeah.
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That's the reality of what Steve wants.
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And he's presenting it as there is this soft coup of the Yale globalists or whatever.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad.
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And it's such a serious thing that we need to do all of this stuff that's counter to
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what our institutions are based on operating as in order to eliminate this threat.
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That's classic dictatorship.
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The only way to save the constitution is to temporarily suspend it entirely.
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Hasn't Alex seen Star Wars?
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No, no, no.
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It's temporarily.
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We just got...
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Look, we're going to put a pause on it and then we'll bring it right back once we get
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everything cleared up.
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Don't worry.
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It's just going to be a dictatorship for a little while.
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That works in the world.
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So earlier we heard Steve say that Epstein's still alive and he talks about that a little
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more now and I think he's starting to swing Alex.
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The truth has to be spoken.
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Epstein didn't die in prison.
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Nobody killed him and he certainly didn't commit suicide.
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Well, you're the guy that said Bin Laden didn't really die in the red.
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You said he was already dead and he did have a disease that nobody lives more than a few
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years, Marfan's.
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But this is a big deal to have you because I respect you and you don't BS on air.
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So wow.
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Yeah.
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It's starting to come around to that, which is crazy.
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You don't BS on air.
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If it weren't for you, I wouldn't know that Osama Bin Laden died from Marfan syndrome.
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All of the things that I can think of that were major gaffes in Alex's career, a lot
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of them have to do with Steve saying bullshit on air.
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He hasn't been on the show in over a year because he said that the Las Vegas shooting
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didn't happen.
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That's bullshit that he said on air.
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His whole career is defined by bullshit that he says on air.
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Well, I guess the family of Epstein can't sue him for defamation by insisting that he's
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alive.
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No.
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I mean, I suppose that's...
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No, probably not.
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I suppose they're in the clear with that lie.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, it starts out with Steve saying some slurs about lesbians in relation
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to Hillary, so heads up for that.
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And then he...
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A lot of slurs on this show recently.
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And he pivots into defending Trump being incredibly corrupt.
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It was a dyke and is a dyke.
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I personally couldn't care less.
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She was highly compromised.
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Sounds like you do.
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Bill Clinton was on that plane more often than I could be on United Airlines.
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Again, bonus miles.
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Bill Clinton was highly compromised.
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He's a coward.
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He's corrupt.
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I've known about Clinton since 1988 before he ran when my operatives in Taiwan said this
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man was bought off by the mainland Chinese.
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Then my CIA operatives came when he won the election against Bush and said to me, I asked
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him how could this guy, Clinton, who came in third in New Hampshire, be able to be president
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of the United States?
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And they said he robbed the election.
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You have corruption permeating throughout.
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It doesn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican.
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In the case of Trump, if he's corrupt, fine.
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I don't particularly care with Trump.
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He's a businessman.
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He's a businessman.
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Those are the exact type of people that I can't have be corrupt.
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So now let's just say, okay, Bill Clinton's a businessman.
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Now what?
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Oh, no, no, no.
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You can't say that.
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But what if he was?
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Let's just say.
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He's never run a business.
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Well, yes.
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Oh, well then in that case, of course it's okay.
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His personal brand is a business.
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There's corruption on all sides, Dan.
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And with Trump, it's fine if he's corrupt.
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It's with other people who don't have a white nationalist agenda.
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If they're corrupt, I'm very mad about it.
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I don't disagree that there is corruption all around and plenty to go around on both
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sides.
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Oh, for sure.
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I don't disagree with that prescription at all.
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I take issue with Trump is cool with it though because he's a businessman.
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He's a businessman.
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It's fine.
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Go fuck yourself.
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It's fine.
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That is such a flimsy line of-
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We cannot have public servants be corrupt, but if you're a businessman, you're a businessman.
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Come on.
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We're just doing some business here.
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So Alex takes the opportunity of having Steve on to ask him a little bit about Q and QAnon.
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And they both seem to have the impression that it's not good because it gives false
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hope, which is interesting.
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I hate these people so much.
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It's interesting because I don't totally disagree with that on some level, but the problem is
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that they are against this false hope because they need Trump to be ruthless, which again,
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is about firing all of these people.
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Yeah, it's about a dictatorship.
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Yeah.
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So just briefly back to Q, I just don't like things that say everything's wonderful, stick
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with the plan, Trump's invincible, they're all about to go to prison.
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And then year after year, it doesn't happen.
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And the things aren't true when we're really working and really getting things done and
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exposing moles in the White House and you have the Bonafides and then it becomes, well,
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there's this nebulous thing that's like Imperial that you've got to bow down to and it's a
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4chan board.
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That's all I'm saying is people need to know that Trump is in perilous times and that he
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needs to be pressured to take action, as you said, because that's who can take the action
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is the president, not some mythical thing telling you that action's been taken when
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it hasn't been taken.
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I agree with you because I've heard the nonsense saying that the following people were arrested
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and this is going to come out and that he's right.
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I agree with Alex.
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It's very simple.
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Trump either wants to remain president and he's got to be tough.
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He's got to be tougher than he ever thought he could be, which is not really in his calculus.
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He has to go on Melania and Melania will tell him exactly what he has to do because I have
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no question in my mind that she and I think alike.
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What the fuck?
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Steve has decided that he and Melania are simpatico, they're on the same page.
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This is the ramblings of a madman now.
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Yeah, no shit.
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I thought it was crazy before.
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No, no, no.
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He's crazy.
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I see now.
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I thought it was crazy, but him just being like a fun, like usual suspects kind of crazy
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where he's just playing, you know, a grab bag word games and having a grand old time.
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Coming up with ways to try and like stop the neo-con agenda that he's straight up crazy.
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Just having fun.
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Just doing his evil thing, but now he's saying that he and Melania think, I have no doubt
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in my mind, Melania thinks like me.
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I don't think anybody says that.
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It's pretty troubling.
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I don't think there's anybody on the planet who has any interest in saying that.
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I never expected that Steve would come back on after over a year of being gone and a lot
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of it would be about how great Melania is and how Trump needs to get her to fire everybody
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because he's too weak to do it himself.
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He is really delivering on the promise of Steve Pachannock being back on Info Wars.
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And here is the cherry on top of the Melania story.
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The person I would pick as national security advisor is Melania.
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She would be the key point in that White House.
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We're close to don't know.
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Every new person that comes in, the whole corrupt deep state runs at them.
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Okay.
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So we got Melania in as a national security advisor.
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We got Jon Huntsman in as secretary of state because he's a richer Mormon than Mitt Romney.
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We got Steve Pachannock doing something where he yells at everybody and fires at will.
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This is not a good White House.
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Man, I can't think of a worse government than whatever it is Steve Pachannock thinks is
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the best government.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty bad.
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I really can't think of anything worse.
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Yeah.
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That's an accomplishment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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In some ways to have the worst idea is better than to just have a bad idea.
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It's impressive.
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Is it?
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In some sense.
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Yeah.
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So we have one last clip and it's Steve expressing what his expectation was when Trump got elected.
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And it's incompetent if Trump doesn't stop all this criminal activity with the Justice
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Department.
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It's dangerous.
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These people are out of control.
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I agree with you.
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But Trump has to make this.
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In other words, where we're begging is that he be what he was supposed to be from the
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very beginning.
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Tough, ruthless, without any explanation or any rationalization.
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That's all we asked of him.
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The minute he does that, there will be guarantees that he will come in on 2020.
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If he hesitates, or he's not certain, or he's going to back off, all bets are off.
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We put him in there to be a strong man, consolidate power.
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That really is maybe the best explanation for his voter base.
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We elected you to be our id.
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We elected you to be the swirling mass of hate and impotence made flesh.
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Touched as a wrecking ball against these what we would call liberal social gains that have
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been made over the last 50, 60 years.
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Roll back all kinds of protections for vulnerable communities.
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Take away reproductive healthcare.
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Do all of this stuff that we want done.
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Don't answer questions about why you're doing it.
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Never apologize.
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And if you do that, we will be totally fine with you shoring up all the power that you
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want.
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In the most corrupt ways imaginable, who gives a shit?
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And you know what the problem is?
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And you know what that is?
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All he's doing is acting corrupt.
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And they still have to defend him.
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That's a bummer for them.
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Yep.
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And they're getting sick of it.
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Yeah, they're getting real tired of it.
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And these people like Steve are, but getting Melania as NSA would certainly help quite
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a bit.
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What the fuck are we doing?
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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That's wild.
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Now that we've wrapped up with the clips, I want to explain to you why I think that
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this episode is such a good demonstration of the holistic awfulness of Alex's show.
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Throughout this episode, we've seen a very clear example of five distinct behaviors that
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Alex engages in regularly that are destructive to the public consciousness and discourse.
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The first is that he creates narratives completely and totally out of thin air that are separate
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from reality.
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We saw this in Alex's insistence that Hillary Clinton is secretly running for president
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and has announced that she is.
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This isn't real, but Alex needs it to be real because it's easier for him to work against
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this imagination of Hillary than it is for him to create a whole new villain out of Elizabeth
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Warren or to try and figure out how to thread the needle about Bernie.
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It's just too difficult for him.
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Hillary Clinton is an evergreen bad guy, so he creates a fictional reality that people
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get to live in.
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Yep.
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The second is whitewashing and straw manning for racism.
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We saw this in Alex yelling about Disney, putting warnings on their movies about racist
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content, which he pretended were warnings about heteronormative content.
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We further saw this in the way he turned a story about that Bristol hospital withdrawing
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treatment for racists into a story about denying care for right-wingers.
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This is a clear pattern that he has of whitewashing, straw manning for racism, turning them into
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different issues so the audience is comfortable in supporting racism, pretending they're doing
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something else.
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Yeah, with that one, what I find so clear now is just that I don't even know if he's...
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He might just be doing this reflexively and it may have been a conscious thing at first,
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but now I just see him as actually associating those two together.
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It might be.
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Just purely like, hey, if you're not letting me say racist and sexist things, you are discriminating
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against right-wingers.
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It's possible.
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You know?
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The effect of it is the same.
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It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter, but I think he just doesn't even know anymore.
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It's an academic question.
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I'm not sure.
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The third element is overt, unhinged, and completely wrathful bigotry.
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His screaming about trans people or drag performers being satanic aliens is a level of hate that
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is so far past what any decent person would consider acceptable.
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His claims that he's not a bigot, he does, he claims that, but what he's doing flies
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so far past just hate speech.
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It's outright incitement.
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It's important for people to understand that element to his rhetoric.
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The fourth thing is that Alex is a dumbfuck conspiracy theorist, but he's super smug about
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those things and he pretends that he's proved everything when in reality he's just making
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that shit up.
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He's a wizard of Oz, hiding behind imaginary folders full of evidence he'll never show
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you.
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Alex seduces his audience into believing he knows what he's talking about with that mystery
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folder and a couple of headlines that appear to be in line with his conspiracies but definitely
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aren't.
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As a subpoint on this one, we also see how Alex is very often using his conspiracy theories
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that he spreads for his own selfish purposes.
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The only reason he did that whole dumb chemtrails segment is because he wants to go back on
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Rogan's podcast because he needs to get more listeners so he doesn't go broke.
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He's been so enabled and rewarded for this sort of confrontational bullshit behavior
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in the past that it makes total sense that he would do something like this again.
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Absolutely.
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The last element is platforming dangerous lunatics.
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Steve Puchenik is completely insane.
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He's masquerades around as an expert.
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In just this episode, these are the things he's put forth while being presented as a
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respectable, credible source.
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Epstein isn't dead.
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Putin is super awesome and Russia should have Crimea.
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The entire State Department should be fired.
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Trump should eliminate the intelligence community.
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Melania should be made national security advisor.
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Trump gets to be as corrupt as he wants because he's a businessman.
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We should get rid of due process.
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And Trump needs to ruthlessly shore up power over all areas of the government.
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A person advocating stuff like this is an insane extremist.
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They are supporting positions that are in direct contradiction to the foundations of
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our government's constitution and are the exact sorts of things you might expect to
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hear from someone who's trying to install a dictator.
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But instead of presenting the situation honestly, it's presented as if the things you're pushing
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for are actually in support of democracy and the will of the people.
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This is very basic propaganda stuff.
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You install a strongman dictator by creating the perception that a greater evil exists
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that only a strongman dictator can defeat.
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It's literally what these dudes are doing.
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It's the fucking 101.
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These are the five elements that are so consistent through Alex's career that are put on stark
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display on this November 13th episode.
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And I recognize Alex Jones is not the most relevant person in the world right now.
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His reach isn't nearly what it was in past years, and all indications seem to suggest
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that he's going broke.
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And that's fair, but I don't think that it makes this any less concerning.
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These five bullet points are not unique to Alex.
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And the thing is, it's not like this is some kind of a special episode where Alex decided
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to play the hits.
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Most of his show contains most or all of these elements.
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It was just particularly glaring when I was listening to this episode today, so I felt
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it would be worthwhile to bring an added focus to it.
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These are consistent and regular planks of his programming, and they're all toxic to
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the health of public discourse.
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Alex Jones going off air won't solve any of these problems.
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They've gone far too mainstream at this point, and you see these same patterns in countless
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other conspiracy and extremist shows.
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I could be incredibly wrong about this, but imagining that any single one of those outlets
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going away isn't going to do any good.
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It's just not.
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But understanding how they operate and why they operate the way they do seems like it
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might be a way to take power out of this propaganda.
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I just wanted to put that bow on this and reflect a little that it's so obvious to me
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on this episode the specific discrete things that are being done.
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It's almost even segmentation, because there is the portion where he's doing the race strawmanning.
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The Disney stuff and the hospital are around the same part of the show.
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Then a whole segment of conspiracy theory bullshit.
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Steve Pacenik gets a good hour at the end of the show.
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There is almost like, all right, we're hitting these bases.
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It's not always like that.
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A lot of times it's a much more scatter shot throughout the episode.
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His staff is smaller, but he did hire the program manager from the Colbert Report.
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Everything is really structured pretty well.
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There's a solid situation there.
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You got to get a check.
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To your point about getting rid of these media empires created solely to push this kind of
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propaganda, I think that goes right back to where we are with weather weapon research
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and that is the logical endpoint of our curiosity.
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It is not going to just go away, the issue, because it's there.
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It requires us doing something.
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It requires learning, control, restraint, and constant watchguarding.
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Yeah, because the parallel for what you were talking about with weather weapons would be
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like outlawing this kind of research.
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That is the sort of thing that I think is detrimental to humanity.
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In the same way outlawing the lion or something, it creates a dangerous kind of tone in the
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world.
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It would probably do more harm than good.
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Whereas everyone doing some deep soul searching about how you use X technology, everybody
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doing some hard work maybe.
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Maybe it's not that hard on understanding how this manipulation works.
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It could go a long way towards allowing this to still exist in the world and decreasing
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the possibility that it can be effectively used for evil ends.
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Maybe I admit that's naive of me.
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Maybe it is.
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But it's the position I'm living in right now.
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I don't know if that'll change, but it's the sort of conclusion I find myself at.
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One thing I like about-
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Also, thank God Steve's back.
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Yeah, I know.
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One thing I like about Steve's laundry list of things that he would prefer in a government
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is that it seems like if somebody else gives you one of those same things that they would
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desire, if somebody's like, I want Trump to control and fire people and be more ruthless,
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you can guess that they're also on board with a few of the other ones.
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Maybe not Melania Trump being NSC, but-
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Well, I mean, also imagine the reaction that Steve or Alex would have if some Obama surrogate
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or something said, we can't have due process.
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If Obama nominated Michelle to any position-
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It would be a nuclear war.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It would be the end.
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It would be the end.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It would be an armed resurrection.
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Right.
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But that speaks to these sorts of things that are so far beyond the pale of acceptable.
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Become acceptable because you know you got your guy.
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You got the guy who is going to keep your interests secure while attacking or allowing
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attacks to vulnerable communities that you want to be targeted.
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And as long as he does that stuff that you want him to do, you can turn a blind eye to
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everything else.
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Even as he destroys you because he's a fucking con man, the same way that you're a con man.
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These people are so stupid.
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It's a mess.
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So as wacky and fun as some of the Steve coming back is, there's real fucking messed up things
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that he's suggesting and pushing on the show.
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And Alex is seconding and allowing to be presented as credible, which is a real fucking mess.
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And I hate it.
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But at the same time, I would be lying if I said that it wasn't way more fun to listen
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to this episode.
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Not the part where he's yelling about trans people being demons, but the part where Steve
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is on is so much more listenable than so much of his show.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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It's just like, what are you saying?
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You put in Putin.
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And here's the thing.
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It's dark.
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It's real dark.
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And maybe if you took it anywhere near as seriously as you would that fucking Oath Keepers
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guy segment, you'd be like, this shit is terrifying.
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But because it's Steve, you're like, this dude is fucking crazy, man.
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He's an interesting character.
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Melania should be the NSC.
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Yeah.
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I get that you're calling for a dictatorship and the end of the constitution entirely.
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But damn, Melania is NSC.
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You are fucking crazy, man.
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Crazy for this one, Steve.
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You are crazy, Steve.
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You keep it going.
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Welcome back, Steve.
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We will be back on Monday with another episode.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yes.
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We are also on Twitter.
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We are.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bet Jordan.
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You bet.
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We're also on Facebook.
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And if you would like to download the show or share it with somebody, please go to iTunes
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Other podcasts and reviews and you guys know the thing.
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Sure.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am Project Storm Fury.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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