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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're a couple dudes, like sit around, drink novelty beverages
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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Indeed we are Dan
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Jordan
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Dan?
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Jordan
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Have you ever been forgotten in a mall or the like?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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It's actually terrifying to me
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It's horrific, right?
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When I was a kid I had like a real serious fear of being left places
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Oh yeah
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And I believe it was based on like being lost at a supermarket
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when I was a really young boy
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Yeah
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Yeah, and I
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Did they drive away or was it just like they were?
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I think as I recall they were still in the store, my parents were still in the store
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but I was like, I don't know where anything is
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Yeah
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Like I have very visceral memories of just like, I don't know where
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I don't know how to get where I need to be
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Right, right, right, right
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It's terrifying
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And like I've always lived or like when I was younger in Honolulu
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and then also in Columbia, Missouri
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I lived close enough that I was supposed to walk to school
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And so like when we lived in Hawaii, my mom was a teacher at the school that I went to
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So you know, we'd walk to school together
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Sure
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And then I'd stay after school while she wrapped up stuff
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Right
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And then we'd, you know, walk back
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Yeah
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But then when we moved to Missouri, I was 10
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So it was like in fourth grade and had to walk to school
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And I just had like a really bad sense of direction
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So there would be times when I would just like try and take a slightly different route
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and just get completely lost
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Oh no
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And I had this real fear of being kidnapped
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Yeah
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A very, very strong fear that everyone was trying to get me
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Sure
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And so like anytime I'd be
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Good thing you've grown out of that
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Yeah
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Anytime I'd be walking home from school, a car that passes
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Any car is like, they're gonna stop and it's over for me
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I'm grabbed in their second location, it's all done
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Such an awful sort of state to be in
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Like constantly walking to and from school, terrified of anybody who passes
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And not sharing that fear because that would be, that would be shameful as well
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Oh man
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There was one time when I was like probably 11 or so
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And I was walking home from school and I just got completely lost
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Like I, now in my adult brain, I can map out that neighborhood
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Yeah
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And I know exactly where I would have needed to go
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Right
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It was maybe like, I don't know, 10 blocks from my house or so
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But because it was like this residential neighborhood with winding streets and offshoot cul-de-sacs and what have you
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I was just completely lost, I had no idea where to go
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And so I just started crying and I like knocked on someone's door
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It's like, I don't know how to get home
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Like it was before cell phones, I didn't use a cell phone
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My parents weren't home anyway
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No, of course not, it wouldn't have mattered
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Yeah, it was like sort of latchkey-ish existence
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Yeah, and so the person who was there was super nice
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And I, you know, hey, I'm 35 now, I still really appreciate it
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll send them a card
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Very non-judgmental, very just like, oh my god, let's get you home
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And so I got home, but yeah, no, I had very, very strong fears when I was much younger of being lost
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And I still, I guess I'm a little bit now, but with the advent of cell phones and like maps and stuff
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It's pretty tough to be fully lost if your phone is charged
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It really is, it really is, it requires a bunch of things to go wrong in the lead up
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Sometimes you could still end up in a place where it's like, well, I know where I am, but there's not much I can do about that
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Like you're really far away from a train station or
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Or if you lose your job
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Sure, you know, it's tough, but those fears have lessened with age
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Yes, yeah
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So this is a podcast where I know a bit about the feeling of being left somewhere, I guess
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And I know a lot about Alex Jones
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And I know quite a bit about the first and not very much about the second
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So Jordan, today we are doing a Wacky Wednesday episode
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We're gonna explore a little something and see what we find
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But before we get down to business on that, I'd like to take a little moment and say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show
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So first of all, Jay, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Jay
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Next, Scott, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks, Scott
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Next, Captain Awesome, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Captain Awesome
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Yeah, next, Hannah, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Hannah
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Next, Carpe Donkton
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Oh, damn you
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I don't think it's the real one
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Okay
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But thank you very much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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I like that there's a real Carpe Donkton as opposed to a pretender
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Yes, yeah, yeah
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But thank you very much, Carpe Donkton
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who signed up on an elevated level, we appreciate that very much
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So Amanda, thank you very much
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Aaron, thank you so much
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And Tennis Is Baseball With A Fat Bat, thank you so much, you are all now wonderful technocrats
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I'm a policy wonk
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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
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Let's just get down to business
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We ain't making that money off that heroin
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large
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I declare info war on you
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Thank you so much, Aaron, Amanda, and Tennis Is Baseball With A Fat Bat
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Yes, thank you very much to all three of you
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Bizarre reference to something I think I said way back on this podcast
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I have no idea what context it was in
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I know
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But I like being reminded of that
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I recall it was probably something about Rafa
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I was talking about the French Open, maybe
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I was probably dismissing the game of tennis
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Yeah, well, yes, naturally
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So if you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I like what these guys do, I'd like to support the show
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There's a button on there that says, support the show, goes to our Patreon
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It would be lovely
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So, Jordan, today, like I said, Waggy Wednesday
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Yes
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So it's been a while since we checked in on the world of The Jim Bakker Show
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Yes, it has
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And the main reason for that is his show is dumb as shit
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Right
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It's so profoundly boring to listen to
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And it's so incredibly rare for Jim or one of his guests to say anything that I think even merits looking into
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Like, if he's gonna have people like Steve Quayle or Tom Horn coming in talking about the giants and angels
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Fantastic
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And they're not the baseball teams with a thin bat
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Fantastic
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Both of those in
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Yeah
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There's not a whole lot I can do with stuff like that
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But the reality is that The Jim Bakker Show is the media offshoot of a manipulative, abusive money cult
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He feeds off his audience in tremendously cynical ways
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And even if his show is boring and half the shit that's said on the show can't possibly even be shown to be true or false
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I think it's still important to check in from time to time
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Particularly when his world intersects with reality
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At the end of last week, it was announced that Trump had appointed megachurch scammer and Jim Bakker associate Paula White-Cain to an official position in the White House
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She had previously been a spiritual advisor to him
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But it was announced that she was now officially working in the Office of Public Liaison
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If you'd like to learn more about Paula's fuller story, we did an episode about her called Heresy and God Kings
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Which you can find in our archives where we talk about her churches and all that stuff
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For now, suffice it to say that she is a prosperity gospel preacher who made millions of dollars by scamming her followers
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She advocated the principle of first fruits
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Where you need to send her all the money that you make in January to make sure that you make even more money the rest of the year
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Which is cool
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That's still one of my...
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Makes sense
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One of my most incredible, like...
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I gotta give it up to you, it's really hard to just say that
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Yeah
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You know?
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Yeah
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Like that's Jedi level, just like, hey, if I say this enough I'm going to make millions of dollars, that's crazy
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It's a startling level of cynicism
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Yeah
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That you're demonstrating in that
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And it's one thing to say that you'll gain future blessings if you give her one twelfth of the money you make in a year
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That's shitty and awful, but at least it's just an offer
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But in reality, the way Paula preaches it, the first fruits thing is a threat
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She said, quote, when you honor this principle it provides the foundation and structure for God's blessings and promises in your life
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It unlocks deep dimensions of spiritual truths that literally transform your life
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When you apply this, everything comes in divine alignment for his plan and promises for you
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When you don't honor it, whether through ignorance or direct disobedience, there are consequences
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There are consequences
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So fuck Paula White-Cain
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Yeah, she's a giant piece of shit
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She's one of the most transparent scam artists in the field of televangelism
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And the fact that Trump would give her a job in the government is so unsurprising, but so profoundly offensive
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Yeah, considering he's one of the most transparent scammers in government
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Yes
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So in the middle of October, last month, Paula White-Cain was a guest on Jim Bakery again
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Okay
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And we're going to listen to a little bit of that here today
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Oh boy
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And it's going to be, you know, we're going to get off in side topics and what have you
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And as we do, just remember, this is a person who officially works in the government now
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Yeah
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So here is Jim Bakery, well actually his daughter, giving the introduction to the show
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Hello, and welcome to The Jim Bakery Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside
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USA
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Snuggle in the beautiful Ozark Mountains
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Today's guest is the senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Center, Pastor Paula White-Cain
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Our co-host today is Mondo De La Vega
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I'm Tammi Sue Baker, and now please give a warm welcome to my parents and the host of
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The Jim Bakery Show, Jim and Laurie Baker
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Thank you, Tammi Sue Baker
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It's a very, very small point, very small point
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Why does Jim Baker say, thank you Tammi Sue Baker?
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I was just thinking the same thing, do you not know her?
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Why do you use your daughter's last name?
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What is going on?
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That's so formal, so bizarre
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Why not say Miss Tammi Sue Baker for god's sake?
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Thank you, Miss Baker
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Yeah
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That's your daughter, thank you Tammi Sue
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I'm sure they have a great relationship
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It just seems very strange
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Thank you, Tammi Sue Baker
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Thank you, Tammi Sue Baker
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It's almost like he's incapable of not doing an ad
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You know, like this is, I'm making sure that you get full credits in the fucking show
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Yeah, I don't know exactly
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I don't want them to think it's some other Tammi Sue
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I don't know why, but that really was a hang up for me
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I was listening, I had to listen to that a couple of times just to be like, am I weird
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or is that weird?
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Yeah, that's weird
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I've decided it's weird
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That's weird
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Could have just said Tammi
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Right
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Didn't even have to say the Sue part
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Right
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I would feel like, okay, one time my dad did a religious studies themed radio show back
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in Columbia, Missouri
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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And I was a guest on it once and if he was introducing me and he was like, my guest is
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my son Dan Friesen, I would feel weird
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My son, Daniel, a little bit is more
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Because it's not like he's intro-ing you to do 45
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No, no
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My son, the great comedian Dan Friesen, that works for me, I'd be fine with that
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Even if he was, I would still feel weird
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Yeah
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It's just formal
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Anyway, maybe I should just get over this and get down to business
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Ah, we could
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So Paula White-Cain is on the show primarily to promote her new book
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Yeah
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She's got a book out called Something More that is apparently the best book
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How much she would like
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Yeah, that's a fair point
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I would like something more, please
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She has changed Laurie Baker's life with this book because it is so damn good
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Sure
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And honestly, I think that there's a little bit of a vibe that goes throughout this episode
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that Jim is a little bit peeved at how much Laurie likes this book
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This is, I think, your favorite book of all times
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I got to tell you, honestly
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I'm serious, and you know, we have a lot of books
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We do
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We have a huge library
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Laurie has already read this book
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She loves it so much, she's read it twice
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And she's told it to me a dozen times
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Every day
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Whoa
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She said, do you realize what she said?
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She told this and she told, she said, I thought she'd never tell this
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You've told it all in this book
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Well, you know what, here's the only way I know how to be, is very authentic, very real,
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very open, very raw
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It was the hardest thing I've ever done, but the most rewarding thing I've done
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It took me nine years, two years to write
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What?
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It took you nine years to write this book?
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What were you, like, she was just on, like, maybe nine, ten months before this on Jim
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Baker's show pushing her other book about Esther's
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Yeah
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Like, it's
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If she
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How did she have the time
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If she's written a book, I will eat my own shit
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Well, I mean, technically, I don't have any evidence that she didn't write this book
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I know, I'm just saying that if she did, I will eat my own shit
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I don't know if she, you don't want to make those sort of promises
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She has
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Let me see the fucking manuscripts
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I don't know how she has the time, quite frankly
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I know
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Oh
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She doesn't write the
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Could be
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So in her book, she talks about her path through life, her early childhood, and for the most
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part, I'm going to try and stay away from, like, her personal stuff
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Right, right, right
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Because I don't know if it's really all that interesting or all that relevant
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Right
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I assume she tortured animals as a child
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No, that's not the book
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Are you sure?
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I haven't read it, but it doesn't come up
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I mean, I find her story has to be at least identical to John Wayne Gacy's, but there
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was just, like, a different fork in the road
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What less clowny
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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I don't know about anything in her book except for what they talk about
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Right
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Basically, it just seems like, I don't know, she was living in a trailer and then she got
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divorced a couple times and bada bing, bada boom, here we are
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Right
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She studied some Bibles and yay
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Sure, sure, sure, sure
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Classic
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But who cares?
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So she gets into, in this next clip, getting kind of emotional talking about praying at
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the inauguration
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Sure
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At Trump's inauguration after the 2016 election
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But when I got there, Jim and Lori, I stopped and I just said, God, I looked up the heaven
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and I said, only you
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Boo
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And I stopped everything I had to do, everything I needed, and I was so present with God in
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that moment thinking, it's like my whole life flashed before me
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Here's this former messed up Mississippi girl, lived in a trailer that they called trailer
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trash
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Daddy committed suicide, got pregnant out of wedlock, been married, been divorced, not
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just once, you know, twice
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I mean, all this, not, everything that people said disqualified me, everything
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But God said, I have called you to shake nations and I'm standing there, the most powerful
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nation in the world, invoking the name of Jesus
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And I said, I don't care what they say about me.
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History will have to write that it was a woman of God, a female clergy that history will
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record the name Paul White Cane prayed for the first time as a female clergy over this
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nation
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Yes
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It's all in the book
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That feels a little narcissistic, that feels a little bit like this is about me as opposed
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to
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And why would you, why would you think that?
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I got a strong vibe in that direction
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And Paul is kind of getting this title of first woman clergy member to pray at the inauguration
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thing on a technicality
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After he won the 2012 election, President Obama had Meryl Evers Williams deliver a prayer
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at the inauguration
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She was the former chair of the NAACP and was a noted civil rights activist, though she
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was not technically a reverend or a preacher
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Given that Christianity is largely based on the idea that all people have access to God
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and there's no need for the old structures where the clergy are intermediaries to contact
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the divine, I'm not sure that Paula's claim of being, you know, this big first really
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means all that much
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I would argue that none of the things that she has said in that are true, except for
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a little bit, but even then, she's doing like
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I'm sure some of the details of her life are true
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Oh no
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I'm sure that there is an emotional narrative arc to her life that I don't want to demean
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because the idea that she did come from whatever humble beginning, however much truth there
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may be to that, as compared to how she experienced that being the truth, to the point that she's
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at now, that's her life and great
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Right
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But, it doesn't strike me as healthy to have someone be like, oh, this is all about God
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when it's really just your life story
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Yeah
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And this feeling of narcissism that runs behind it, the history books will have to remember
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the name Paula White-Cain
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That was the thing that I was listening to
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Yeah
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And her entire little speech there was like, obviously fake crying
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Probably
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And
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Maybe better trained than the Alex Jones school of fake crying
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It's like failed comedians become right wing commentators and bad actress can become this
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But then, then it got real, it got very genuine when she started talking about how history
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is going to have to remember her fucking name
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Yeah
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And that's when I was like, you feel that and it was not emotional, it was fucking
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It does seem
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I own this now, I dominated you world
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Right
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And so that I did believe
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Yeah, and you had a woman who gave a prayer at the inauguration before that, so now you
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have to move the goalposts a little, first woman clergy member
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Clergy member, which she's not
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I mean, technically, I don't know
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I suppose
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Anyway, the left, right?
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Sure
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And the feminists
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Oh, they're coming
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They should be thrilled with Paula because she was the first woman, parentheses clergy
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member
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Made up clergy member
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You're the first woman, the first clergy, a woman that's ever prayed at inauguration
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ever was like, and Laurie
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You'd think the woman's libbers would have been thrilled
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Oh, are you kidding me?
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You would think
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You old asshole
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You'd think the women's libbers
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Would be thrilled when they're done burning their bras
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Yeah, that's an 80 year old man expressing disdain with the
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We gave them the right to vote
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You think the suffragettes would really be rallying behind you, but they show their hypocrisy
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Elizabeth Cady Stanton won't shut up now, will she?
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All right, Jim, calm down
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So Laurie loves this book
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It's going to probably shock a lot of you
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No, it's not
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It's time
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It's time for this story to be told
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You minister nonstop because that's who you are
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And here's what I love the very most about you
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Is I love how you love Jesus
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Amen
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I love how you love him
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Amen
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How you're so in love with him
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Amen
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That when all else fails
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We have him
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Amen
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Wow
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That was a very comforting thought
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That was some good Laurel and Hardy two man game right there
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First banana, second banana, that was going pretty well
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Yeah
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So all this is like the first half of his show is just selling this book
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Yeah
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Like I understand that there's still
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In accordance with God's will
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But I mean you could make an argument I suppose that some of the presentation is that this
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book highlights biblical principles or something
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And then you could say by proxy you're being a religious program
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But in reality in function and in form this is an infomercial for her book
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Yeah
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That is all that's going on
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You are truly the greatest woman preacher I have ever heard
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Amen
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And I believe with all my heart
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That's huge
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That's huge
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And I've seen and heard the best
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Yeah
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You have a gift
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Yes
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I feel bad for Tammy Faye
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Ooh
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I feel bad for Sojourner Truth
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Ah
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Oh boy
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And your gift doesn't leave you when your marriage breaks up
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It doesn't leave you when people when the FBI comes to try to put you in prison
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She won all that by the way
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Yes
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But this is why I want you to read this book
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Yes
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And I'm really really angry by what happened to you because I've been there and done a
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lot of that
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Yeah
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And God never throws us out
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Amen
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He's talking about like people investigating him for financial malfeasance
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I've been there I cheated on a lot of shit too so I know how you're going
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How did you beat it though?
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That's what I'm really interested
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When you went to prison
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This book is so good I mean this book is great
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How did you beat that?
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Yeah
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I might beat you
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I didn't
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Yeah
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Yeah
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There is a real sense too throughout this interview of them being like yeah look the
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IRS and the feds are trying to snatch us up for this crime and look I commit crimes but
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it's not those ones
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Yeah yeah yeah
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There's a weird feeling of like they're trying to get me for A but I'm doing B and I feel
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bad about the sins that are B but
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It's wild
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So look Paula's been through a lot in her life and I'm not going to sit here and make
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fun of her for personal struggles
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But I am going to critique the use of those personal struggles in order to sell her book
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in Jim Baker's show
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I mean we get attacked in every area that you can imagine but God had given you a prophetic
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word and said everything around you will be shaken and everything around you will fall
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but you will remain standing and emerge with strength and I'm telling you it is not over
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for you
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That's right
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You need this book you need this series because when you get it you are going to discover
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the God who before you ever entered into your mother's womb had already ordained all of
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your days and your story ends in God's glory and I'm promising you that in this somewhere
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you're going to find whether I'm your best friend your sister your mentor your coach
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your pastor that we're going to hold hands together because it is not my story it's God's
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story through my life and through your life how we can make it through it
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Wow
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This is like to me right on the cusp of like what I'm uncomfortable with because there
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is a part of it that is I have a lived experience I wrote about it and you know if you buy my
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book maybe it'll help you with something you're going through
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Yeah
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I don't really think it's that bad but I know enough about her and Jim Baker that I think
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it's bad
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Yeah
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The founding context makes it way crasser and way more manipulative than it would be
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if just somebody else were saying those things because I think you can get a lot out of memoir
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I think a lot of people who've been through experiences that mirror yours or ones that
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are far more extreme than yours but highlight certain lessons in life
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Yeah
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I think there's a lot you can gain from that
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For sure
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I just I just don't think that this is a good place for it
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I mean I find it incredibly disgusting because I have been to so many different places where
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people genuinely believe so hard in all of this shit and they do not they just don't
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give a shit about any of the thing I can you can hear her words cloaked in like fucking
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weird imitation of an actual believer you know
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It feels that way
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She's she's so fucking slimy she's slimy every time she speaks I feel like ooze falling off
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of her words
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It's gonna get worse
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She's gross
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I can say that I don't think that that behavior is implicitly gross or manipulative but it
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is in the context of this because we know that she's somebody who asks for your January
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paycheck or there'll be consequences
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Yeah
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And we know that she's Trump's spiritual advisor and we know or at least I know what's coming
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up so I can say very confidently although on first glance that doesn't seem to be that
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bad
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Yeah
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Patis is gonna drop in with a couple end bombs
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No not that bad but this book like I said it's changed Lori Baker's life
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This book so changed your life this book
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Yes
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How
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Yes
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Lori
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Yes
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Yes
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You've had divorce
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You've had you know
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Not a heart
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You went
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Not a heart
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I mean this is a she was a wild woman she got drugs beyond anything and the heart breaks
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in her life and yet when she first got saved they asked her to be an angel that flies
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A fly
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At Phoenix first
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Yeah
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Tommy Burnet
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And Archer
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And she she wouldn't even be an angel at first she says I'm not good enough to be an angel
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You know she says I'm not an angel but you are an angel my angel but you
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Yes she is
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This book you tell women that have had abortion women have had anything any gone through anything
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any this book is gonna let you know that God does not walk away
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He does not he's not letting Lori speak for herself
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Oh yeah
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All that much I have noticed that trend he seems to be talking over her a lot whenever
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talking about her personal experiences which doesn't make me feel all that comfortable
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He's very much talking about her like she's not there and then suddenly remembering that
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she's there
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Or not even recognizing that she's there when she's talking
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That goes on throughout this episode
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It's drugs more than anything she did but my wife did a ton of drugs like PCP she did
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go oh shit hey how you doing you're an angel you're an angel she loved it heroin you name
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it
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There's nothing wrong with doing drugs
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Absolutely
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Nothing wrong with taking lessons from earlier mistakes to inform your future life anything
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like that I'm not interested in beating people up for reclaiming negative experiences and
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turning them positive I don't like this mentality though
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People don't value our brokenness
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Right
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But you're not even qualified until you walk with a limp
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That's it
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You're not even
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That's true
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Ministry of material until you've been processed
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I don't know if I appreciate the idea that she's putting forth that you're not qualified
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to be in a ministerial role unless you have some sort of a trauma-based initiation into
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being the I don't even know what you like I that's a that's offensive
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Okay so what happens is you go to the church after Sunday service it's about two three
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o'clock and then the rest of the the elders the deacons and the like they all circle around
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you and start punching you until you yell enough serial names
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Sure
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And then you are eligible to be in the clergy
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It does have that feel to it because like what if you haven't suffered some horrible
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trauma but you feel called to the ministry
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Boo!
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Get him out of here!
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Or do you have to then manufacture a trauma in order to become eligible to be a part of
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the cloth
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I mean you could also just read a lot of Stephen King novels and get really scared
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I don't think that qualifies
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I think that qualifies
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No
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That's a limp
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No
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Remember
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It's not
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I don't I don't like that mentality
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James Caan had a limp and that wouldn't matter
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I think that what she's trying to express is that you aren't your past damages your
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past traumatic experiences and that you're like it feels like what's intended to be said
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there is a reclamation kind of thing
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Really?
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I'm being overly generous
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Yeah
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But if you if you hear it that way good you know like if the message is just because I
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don't know I got divorced when I was younger that doesn't mean that I'm not good enough
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to do whatever I need to do or whatever I'm called to do or whatever I'm trying to do
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that's a positive message but when it's expressed as in order to get to that role it's a prerequisite
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that you have trauma
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Yeah
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Then I think it's it's the inverse of what I think the message is supposed to be right
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Yeah all I'm all I'm hearing her say is like the the only way that like almost again as
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though she's the intermediary as opposed to everyone having an open relationship with
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God
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Yeah
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She is the intermediary because you are unqualified you you've been fine you don't have that terrible
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trauma you can't really talk to God it's not until you've had that serious good shit you
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know that's whenever you get to really fucking speak for him
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With a capital H
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Maybe so they're selling this book and it's not just words in the book I should tell you
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there are pictures
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Oh okay
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And there's pictures in this book people
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There are pictures that have never ever been released
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Color pictures look at there there's she has been a president
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I love these pictures Melania
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Very rare to get color pictures by the way everybody
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It's rare to get color pictures
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What are we doing?
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What are we fucking doing?
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We're selling a book Jordan
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This is bad
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We're selling a book
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This is full on and not just that with this set of knives we will also add in for and
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we're gonna have to put a clock on this Dan color pictures
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It's gonna get so much worse so uh Jim Baker he's been in the halls of power right
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Sure
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You know he's talked to presidents
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Yes
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Before he went to prison
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He went to prison guards he has talked to both in the highest halls in power
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And Lyndon LaRouche while he was a cellmate in prison
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So he he knows that a lot of like the high-end people don't like people like him
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Right
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But Trump does
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Well
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I know what real real high high church type church people sometimes they don't want to
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be around us
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Scammers
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Pentecostal charismatic
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Charismatic type people
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Thieves
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So he loves spirit-filled fire god he would always watch your program he would watch I
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mean he watched the most on fire holy ghost preaching and the first
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He told me he watched it he tell you he watched my show
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All that for years
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Over the years
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I mean
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From way back listen when the first words out of his mouth when I get and I go on here
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so Robin his receptionist gets on the line and talk about loyalty to this day there are
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employees around him that have been with them the people in my building and I have a Trump
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building then we go into detail into that because every false thing that people think
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I can't really detail what built because you can't buy trust you can't buy loyalty I say
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how God forged that relationship
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She lives in a Trump building really she has a home in one of the Trump buildings which
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is a weird thing to say and then accuse people of fake news and then say you can't buy loyalty
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but you have like really expensive
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And then you get a job in the administration of the guy who you purposefully bought the
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yeah
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And there's some sort of I don't know how substantiated there are but there are some
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reports flying around that Trump wanted to start a mega church with her
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Of course
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And so like I mean
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Why wouldn't he?
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Of course it's a great
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It's a great operation
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Yeah great great scam
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He keeps he keeps losing money working with properties he didn't even realize you could
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just say you owe me money or you'll die and that's fine
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Yeah
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I realized that
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It's perfect
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Yeah
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So you noticed that I think the exact thing it's like the high-end religious people people
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in these halls of power don't want to hang out with us charismatic something well yeah
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there's a reason
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You
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You're embarrassing
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But not just that he literally described it using charismatic type people confidence men
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it's the he's used he couldn't stop himself from finding synonyms for the thing that he
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is
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Yeah
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And I think that yeah good I prefer a society where serious people don't want to be associated
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with people like this like it's it's a better it's better if that wall exists build that
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wall
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So Paula starts talking about Trump going to church right he goes to these churches
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and sometimes they're just not about Jesus enough
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Really
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I mean he'll tell me like I went to this church he goes ah Paula they're so boring he goes
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I went because I wanted to hear about Jesus
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Yeah
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He said they talked about their dog and stuff
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He's like I want to hear about Jesus
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Yeah
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And I said there's a whole nother side that yes you might see the public person he's strong
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don't don't get me wrong I mean I would never get in the boxing ring with him that's for
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sure you know he did he doesn't start the fight but he probably will finish it you know
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so and I think we need someone like that right now
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Absolutely
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That's what the Bible advocates for
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Wow
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Hey when times get tough get a boxer
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Turn the other cheek to hide your right hook
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Yeah and it's interesting to me the like yeah you know he goes these churches everyone's
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talking about their dog
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Yeah
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Jim you've been selling a book for half an hour
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I wanted to hear about Jesus
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No
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We're gonna sell this book first
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Now Jesus is in the book but we're gonna talk mostly about this book
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I love that she has apparently been given carte blanche to just lie about whatever the
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president does
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Totally
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Jesus
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But that's what she does
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I know
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That's why she's in the office of public liaison because Jordan let's just break this down
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this is a crass attempt to appeal to evangelicals
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Yes obviously
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Like this is like all this is is an attempt to like really pull that base back together
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Right right right
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And like solidify it because that's the one of the only shots there is for this election
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cycle
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Yeah
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Is like making the that end of Christianity really really afraid of losing this election
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Yeah
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And so what she's doing here on this show is like this is campaigning
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Yep
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Like there's no way around it
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This is every part of this is disgusting
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She's peed as a campaign surrogate
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Yep
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On Jim Baker's show
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You got it
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You also sell her book she's brilliant
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Yes
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She has nailed this shit
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Yeah
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About that book
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Yeah
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It's written by a woman
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Are there pictures in it?
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There are color pictures which is very rare
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It's written by a woman
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Okay
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Right and it's changed this woman's life right
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How?
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Lori Baker's life
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How though she lives in a compound
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Here's the thing Jim's like might be a chick book
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I don't think it's a chick book but it's a chick book if I can I say I don't know because
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it's a woman
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But I want all the men to read it I really do I want the men to read it but I every woman
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I promise you it's a page turner
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Broken women should read it
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Whoa
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Women who run through things should read it
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I love the idea that he's saying that this is a chick book maybe it's not it's a chick
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book
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It's a chick book
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And then he talks over Lori which he's trying to recommend the book like it's very disrespectful
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The amount that he talks over his wife and introduces his daughter as Tammy Sue Baker
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Yeah
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Very weird these familial relationships just don't feel very close
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I don't I don't want to say that there's no love there because I'm sure there is but the
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You don't have to be sure there is there could be none and it would be fine
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Right but I don't have any evidence of that and it's it would be very disrespectful and
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inappropriate
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Right but you don't need to say that
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I just think that the indications you see here are like there is if there is a very
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strong family unit it doesn't translate to the show
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There is a there is sort of a separation of on-show behavior and off-air behavior that
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must be there or else this just seems like just weird these people relating relate to
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each other and it just is
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It's gross
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Yeah
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It's gross I if you put it in this term this is basically their office I know plenty of
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offices with complete strangers who love each other far more than these people do
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This is a weird business situation
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It is very strange
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These guys are in a company that's that's what they are
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Yeah so I don't agree with her perception but Paula White-Cain does not believe that
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she's in the politics game
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Oh
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And I don't consider myself to do politics I do people I say yes to God 18 years ago
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I told in the story the Lord spoke to me and said regarding then Mr. Trump show him who
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I am
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This
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Wow
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Is how you reveal the the religious con to a con man
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Not fair
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This is you know like 18 years ago God said get involved with this Trump guy she goes
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and starts talking to him and through their relationship he realizes like oh man religion
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could be a grift
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Yep
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And here we are
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We made a gentleman's agreement and nothing is in writing of course
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I gave him proof of concept for anyway look this election is coming up and the whole political
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scene
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She's not into it it's not her thing she does people she does people
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Of course because it's not politics
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Right
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It's decades centuries long spiritual conflict
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I did not know that
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It is a battle of righteousness and wickedness and it did not start with President Trump
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this has been a battle to try to take this nation because if this nation goes down I'm
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telling you this nation you want to oh don't get me started see if this nation goes down
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so we are the hope to this world because this nation was dedicated with little white crosses
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that were marked along the beaches down by Virginia Beach and Plymouth that were marked
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that said we dedicate this land to take the gospel to the nations and once the gospel
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is taken to the nations we usher into the return of the Lord and so yes they want this
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light to go dim in America because if we do not be the beacon of hope to the world and
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if we do not take the gospel to the world then there is a darkness but I believe that
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we are not going to go through a period where there is a 400 year of shut doors or winters
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we're had perilous time I believe we are ushering in the great awakening and we will see the
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greatest harvest ever and there's a fight so you're gonna get me started
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I think you got started wow I hear they're just sort of a endorsement of religious colonialism
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yeah a belief that this is a fundamentally Christian nation yep and that somehow our
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existence as a Christian nation is a prerequisite for the return of Jesus yes I don't like that
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she's working in the White House I don't understand where you where your issues arise I don't
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like that she is working in the government I have I think that what she just said is
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something that somebody says a week before they start burning immigrants like that is
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a terrifying it's not too different in some ways from Alex's yeah no that's centuries
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long spiritual warfare between good and evil yeah America is a Christian nation all this
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stuff is very very close to what Alex believes I wouldn't want him working in the White House
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either no but I get that people think that it's more important or that I mean to us it's
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more important but if you truly believe in God him giving a shit about an election is
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the same as him giving a shit about whether or not the Cowboys win you know like it's
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it's infinite guys to an extent it's infinite now but but the way that you get around that
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is that you make the argument in some way that if Trump wins he'll be able to fundamentally
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reshape the entire government and turn it into the Christian government that God wants
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to exist on earth and has wanted for all of time no but he doesn't well you would say
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that because he didn't say it Paula disagrees well we could go in circles but that's how
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you sell that's how you sell the importance to it like hey you know in the next four years
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of Trump stays in there will be even more Supreme Court justices that he's able to appoint
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yeah and then what happens then bada-bing bada-boom all these liberal laws goes away
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go away voting rights act is thrown out thrown out who needs it controls on churches being
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run as scams overturn come on abortion gone absolutely and we'll turn this into a utopia
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Dan for some for a few for I don't know somebody who's got millions of dollars and works in
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the White House yeah I mean that's not to say that Trump being in office for four more
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years that that possibility would bring that about but that's the sales pitch to the people
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who Paula is talking to of course we can transform this country into a well let's not say theocracy
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because we believe we can't say that we that has that's a loaded word there's a lot of
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words there in form and function this could become a Christian theocracy if you have enough
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time on so that's why it's life or death if Trump loses all the good stuff that he's done
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gets rolled back whenever the next person comes or so that's that's how you turn it
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into something that's more important than a Cowboys game but yes for you and me it does
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seem absurd yeah it's very absurd yeah that day to God is a thousand years yeah wait do
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you mean oh okay now I got it I was heard that I heard I always heard that in the other
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this is a whole proof of the pudding is in the eating situation thousand years to God
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is a day yeah yeah yeah I don't know yeah I might just be quoting a Rizzo lyric anyway
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yeah it shows what I care about I'd like to read from Wu-Tang 416 so but the big thing
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is like this idea that Trump being in office will allow rollbacks of reproductive rights
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sure essentially that's one of the major selling points and Paula gets into that a little bit
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here they want to fight President Trump because of what he's standing for when you are the
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most pro-life president ever that's right you know so when you're looking at all at
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least others other candidates that are running pay attention ask God to download to you when
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you are willing to abort a baby at nine months oh I don't like the sex you can board it you
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kill it that's called murder but yet if a person is pregnant you can a double and and
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you kill them it's considered a double homicide now watch from a spiritual standpoint there
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are only two nations that would do late-term abortion two in this world and one I'm lessening
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on it to you ready so now you know it from a spiritual North Korea and China hmm Paula
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is a damn liar bullshit she's a liar she's just talking about people who murder she is
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a liar that's insane so the the issue that I come to is like there's very substantive
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differences between providing reproductive rights even up to late-term in situations
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particularly where a person's life is at risk or the bay the child would be unviable outside
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the womb those sorts of things are very different than someone murdering a pregnant woman there's
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a element of the rights being violated by a murder yeah that are not there in the conversation
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of you know let's say electively ending a pregnancy even if it is in the ninth month
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when if you give birth to the child it will live for a couple hours and die a painful
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death no one's no one is providing ninth month abortions for someone who's like oh it's gonna
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be a boy I wanted a girl yeah that is that doesn't happen that is a fake talking point
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that she's putting forth here but the big lie is the two countries yeah there are seven
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countries in the world that allow elective abortion you just choose yeah to get an abortion
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in proper circumstances yeah after 20 weeks and they are Canada China the Netherlands
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North Korea Singapore the United States and Vietnam she just chose to say China and North
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Korea because those are the two big boogeymen in the anti-communist extreme right-wing circles
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which Jim Baker is a religious offshoot of so it's definitely not under interest to muddy
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the conversation by bringing Canada and the Netherlands into the conversation no no no
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it's much easier to just pretend that the only people who would allow this thing that
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you're against are in these countries you've already established as code words for evil
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that's bullshit well just listen to their reaction of just oh right those two countries
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we're like there is nothing I appreciate more than somebody who goes on a religious talk
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show and proclaims the word of Jesus and just happens to lie directly to everybody's face
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over and over and over again right there is nothing more in keeping with the teachings
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of Christ Dan thou shalt yeah so you know Alex believes that we're fighting with actual
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demons yes principalities of course so does a ball of white game so now you're looking
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stink for a minute spiritually we're not wrestling against flesh and blood and I know I'll get
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a lot of backlash that's okay bring it on all right Ephesians 6 12 says we are wrestling
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against principalities wickedness so what principalities powers darkness and wickedness
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now there are strongmen that we know there's a Jezebel spirit we know that's operating
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there's a Leviathan spirit we know that's operating in your Bible and just understand
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behemoth Bilal Abaddon the Bible tells you what the principalities are the Bible declares
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what the strongmen are if we can know it but if we don't go in and war against it as born
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again believers that have authority both in heaven and in earth that we have power through
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the blood of Jesus Christ this is not a natural battle it's a spiritual battle and when you
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look at the only other two that do late term that is murder I'm just dealing with one issue
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I'm not even telling you all the good things we're doing the religious the lower courts
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177 appointees on lower courts the Supreme Court that's disgusting look what they have
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done to you are so good I mean seriously look what they've done oh the poor Cavanaugh yeah
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that is disgusting dude she's Dan Dan Dan Dan do you have a question hurts her list
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of spiritual victories are he he's appointed justices that's what she's got this is a religious
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it's political now this is completely separate it's political that's come no no he's just
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appointing a lot of justices to the judges judgeships yeah yeah I mean that's religious
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there's no no more religious than that no no no we may elect him so he can religiously
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appoint maybe the point that she wants to make but won't make is that part of her religious
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belief is political maybe part of the the the thing that she's trying to express but
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won't probably well reason is that there is a political dynamic and advocacy and and action
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that implied in her application of her religious beliefs are you trying to get rid of her tax
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exempt status Dan I don't know she has it honestly I think that I don't know I've never
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I never look into those sorts of things yeah because I think a lot of people just sacrifice
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their 501 c3 status in order to act like Jim Baker does yeah you know I mean yeah I think
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I think that some folks there's like fuck it we're a TV show we're going we're gonna
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go too far we're gonna get in trouble let's just why even bother yeah I've already been
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to prison once I don't know it's all a bit of a mystery to me I would be I would be surprised
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if she pays much in taxes but I also wouldn't be surprised too much if she just said fuck
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it yeah it's not worth it yeah I find that they are because that's one of the things
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that they're gonna campaign on is the fact that he is appointed a bunch of justices they're
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not gonna campaign on him doing anything because he has a small point are they justices judges
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yeah I don't know that's a good question yeah I don't actually know it sounds weird to me
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but I don't know where is it appeals court judge why is it why is the Supreme Court justice
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I don't know greater yeah sorry didn't get you off track there no no no no now we need
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to get to the bottom of this all right sub episode no it's it's just so nakedly hypocritical
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that idea of here's what we're proud of we're proud of him appointing judges who are going
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to brazenly rewrite the law to fit our religious ideology you cannot if you are campaigning
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on appointing justices what you are really saying is I am destroying duck democracy through
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the court system sure and one of the things that's so hypocritical and gross about this
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too is one of the things that you see so commonly in these right-wing circles as an attack on
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Islam is to say it's not a religion it's a political ideology you know they say it's
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a political system masked as a as a religion yeah and I don't believe that to be true I
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don't think that that is a fair attack on Islam and I don't think it's a fair thing
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to say about Christianity either but I do think that the way that Paula is engaging
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with some Christianity lends itself to be also a political yeah thing so when when you
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have these people who are attacking Islam under with these specific attacks and are
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acting in ways that are similar to the depiction of Islam that they're putting forth it just
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it's very tough it's very it's very tough to swallow it is it's just a it's the religious
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version of so much of like I know exactly how we're gonna malign my opponents we're
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gonna say they're doing what we're doing and then no one will know incredibly effective
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trick ridiculously effective it seems to have such a universal application so most of the
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beginning of this episode is selling Paula's book trying to move this book it changed Laurie's
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life although Jim won't let her talk about it I think I think that may have been the
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way that it's changed her life Jim is no longer allowing her to talk so the middle part you
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know you get a little bit of Trump is great I'm not in politics but here's all this political
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shit yep then towards the end we get big news God has spoken to me in the last 24 hours
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it was it's time to launch my final network and I'm you know gonna have my 80th birthday
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in a few weeks and most people retire retire about that time but God says you're not gonna
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retire he just told me you're not gonna retire so it's fine as long as he gives me strength
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to keep going and if he can keep you know Paula going he can keep all of us going people
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amen but so today on this broadcast I'm introducing what God is speaking to me next and by the
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way on New Year's Eve I want you to listen to me yes on New Year's Eve now God woke me
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in the night last night about this program on New Year's Eve what's going on right man
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God gave me a full download of what is going to happen next Oh God it's so shocking I'm
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not gonna tell you now I won't tell you this week I'm gonna tell you God willing on New
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Year's Eve it'll be my first major New Year's Eve address so he's what is happening God
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revealed something to him back on New Year's Eve and then now next New Year's Eve he's
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going to tell you yeah gotcha this can't be a very important prophecy if it can wait it
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can wait it does not seem well the fun thing about these types of prophecies is that he
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is gonna announce something that happened in December on New Year's Eve as a prophecy
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about what happened in December he knew it convoluted he knew it Dan nonsensical some
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might say ridiculous but he's he said that it's New Year's Eve sweeps week for religion
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must be yeah I'm thinking that he just mixed up that New Year's Eve prophecy and whatever
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God told him within the last week yeah because within the last week God told him to form
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his last network I don't know what that is well we'll learn a little bit more here God's
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spoke to me that we were to to finish this studio we have a studio under construction
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for the last couple years there's the building wow and inside that building has no equipment
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in it yet it needs the walls and everything be to be put in and all the lighting fixtures
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and all it could be done in 90 days if I had the money and it's getting so difficult to
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raise money because you know people say oh you shouldn't do this you shouldn't sell items
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you shouldn't do this thing you know what yeah if you got a good idea that works out
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I'll take it exactly I'll borrow it from you you know the ridiculousness of that is like
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okay you're gonna go to work and work for free I mean seriously oh boy I follow in the
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footsteps of my leader Jesus Christ but I'm not doing it for free baby yeah Jesus you
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better fucking give me benefits too I want good insurance Jesus yeah yeah so he's building
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a new studio yeah and he's pretty self-conscious about raising money because you know people
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are making fun of the buckets and all that rightfully pointed out he's an evil piece
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of shit yeah might have flown under the radar for a while and then people started you know
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posting little clips of him doing this absurd bucket shit on Twitter and now it's like I
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look bad yeah that hasn't stopped him no of course not well I mean hey so he's he's starting
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this he needs to build build his new studio because he's starting a network called the
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voice of the prophets he wants to run 24 hours a day very reminiscent of Alex you know everybody
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wants you know this these people don't recognize that one of the things that's the biggest
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problem with the media nowadays is the 24 hour cycle it is an issue they don't realize
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that they will fall victim to the same thing ever Alex running 24 hours a day be the worst
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thing possible for him no he's great running a voice of the prophets 24 hour a day prophecy
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network would be it'd be ridiculous it'd be such diminishing returns it'd be a disastrous
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idea but he needs to do this because prophets have things to say sometimes they want to
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say something at 3 in the morning all right I mean yeah that's a good argument so anyway
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he needs you to give him a bunch of money yeah well that's also a good we're building
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the voice of the prophets network when I was in prison God spoke to me to build a network
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and put other last night profits on well God has spoken to me to go on major television
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amen 24 hours a day where if God moves one of the prophets said Jim is going to broadcast
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the events of what God's doing and he's gonna well there's gonna be healings and miracles
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take place up here on this mountain and so where to go and we have we can do this we
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can do it in 90 days we could be on the air 24 hours a day beaming loudly that's our PTL
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means prophets talking loudly and so what the studio is there that's the I renamed the
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studio the voice of the prophets studio and in the entrance the lobby I call it the atrium
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of that studio smart we're I have a picture of my dream of it this is the lobby the hall
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of the prophets atrium and Jesus God willing is going to move there from here because this
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is the hall of the prophets and it's going to it's going to have a place where we're
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gonna put blast a brass plate on those who give this $1,000 gift to build and finish
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open the network 24 hours a day and open this studio so that can broadcast 24 hours a day
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so you give $1,000 you had a plaque in the hallway is he forcibly relocating Jesus it
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does seem like I think that's against the law Dan I thought Jesus was everywhere and
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within all of us that violates his rights Dan he's evicting Jesus from the uh morning
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side that is that is unfair Jesus was living rent controlled Dan and then these big developers
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come in trying to donate money to build a studio I don't see a fundamental reason why
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he can't just do what he's doing now like on some sort of a streaming service like any
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kind of like his website has streaming capabilities yeah like you could just get on I don't know
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twitch yeah and do everything that he's wanting to do for no overhead and he has a studio
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like he has a place that he's filming this very episode in and I think one of the reasons
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that he can't do that 24 hours there is because this isn't like his studio his stage yeah
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is in a big sort of hall ballroom ish kind yeah yeah but along the wall like this compound
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involves like living quarters that are right off oh okay the stage so if they were going
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24 7 then people are gonna be like turn it down out there I think so I think I think
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that's the fundamental problem I think that's I think that makes sense so he needs to move
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the the shooting space right from that I think it's a ridiculous fucking transparent bullshit
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I I mean it is it is it's amazing it's amazing to me that you could litter not least of which
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because it's like purely megalomaniacal yes like it is not it is not practical it is not
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a way to make any money no it is it is a it is building it's Ozzie mandamus it is building
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statues of fucking Xerxes so that when he dies he has something to leave behind I think
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that's part of it but I also think that the people like Jim Baker in this scammy kind
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of community they probably see all signs being green lights you have yeah you have Trump
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indicating that he's not going to in any way encourage enforcement of the Johnson Amendment
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right restrictions on church right behaviors you have him putting Paula White Cane into
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an official position in the White House yeah you've got to think like now is the time we
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got to strike while the iron's hot we got to do whatever we can to expand this grift
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and I I get why you do that but it also is it seems woefully transparent right this is
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just like all right we got to do this we have to we have to get going on this yeah we can
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make millions and millions of dollars if we can just get to the point we need to get to
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but that window is going to be closed yeah eventually well they I'm I'm amazed how confident
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they are well I think that's terrifying to me because if they're that confident well
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they're building a they got a year until the election right right right and if Trump wins
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in 2020 they have a real nice cushion the game is afoot yeah they can they're gonna
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run rampant on the American system if 2020 doesn't go their way they still have a year
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wherein like we can make we can make a move here and then it challenges the people who
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come in after Trump to tamp down on this right right they're going to have to expend political
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capital in order to undo whatever horrific monstrosities yeah I don't know if horrific
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monstrosity is fair but I haven't seen the studio but I only saw an artist's rendering
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of it and it looks just like a building I don't know I wouldn't be surprised if it looked
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like Jim Baker's fucking face like that's that's the level of narcissistic asshole we're
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dealing with yeah so in this next clip Jim kind of rewrites his own legal troubles from
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the 80s as they always do people do not understand but I have talked to people in government
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in prison and out if you leave me it's a lot of people in prison you would be shocked but
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would told me they were afraid that I was going to endorse Pat Robertson for president
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back then and they thought with his audience and my audience they had no chance against
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Pat Robertson and he won the first yeah primaries primaries I remember that oh yeah and so they
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thought I talk about you know I'm sorry it's right our the president who Ronald Reagan
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I mentioned to him I says I'm going to do everything we thought the cameras were off
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I said we're gonna do everything to deliver 50 million votes political boy all the major
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team ministry evangelist brought him to his home did everything yeah and we helped win
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that president to presidency of the United States of America political you're not supposed
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to brag about that Jim was still lying about it understand how these principalities work
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political so a couple quick points first Pat Robertson did run for president in the 1988
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election he did not win the early primaries but weirdly he did end up winning a couple
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he took Nevada Washington State Alaska and Hawaii although the Washington one I believe
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if I if I understand correctly he may have won because of some like manipulations of
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procedural things gotcha there was some there's asterisk on Washington gotcha he didn't even
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make it through the entire primary cycle and he dropped out of the race on May 16th 1988
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Jim Baker wasn't indicted for his mail fraud and wire fraud until December 1988 and his
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trial wouldn't happen until August 1989 the timeline for this doesn't really match up
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at all also I suspect that the person who told him these things while he was in prison
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was Lyndon LaRouche who was his cellmate while he was in the joint Lyndon LaRouche you would
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be crazy you would be surprised how many people you'll find in prison Lyndon LaRouche is one
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of them I do not care about this second-hand prison gossip that is probably coming from
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LaRouche you're supposed to lie about about being the political wing yeah you're supposed
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to lie yeah just give me a lie you don't have to feel it yeah you don't have to you don't
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have to anymore no we delivered an election is a fine thing to say in church now I guess
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so so this is where we get to the point where Paula who has just been here and selling her
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book now really gets active in helping Jim try and get money for his new network so she's
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done her scam half now she's gonna help him with his game half yep okay and this is so
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important that even at 80 I keep keep filling in my spirit because 80 is a unique number
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to God 8 of course means new beginnings and 10 is a number of completion and God says
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there's a completion that I'm doing that is releasing you into a new beginning and that's
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what it is a cycle of God's completion for new beginnings to be released into your life
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and that there's no because there's no Hebrew word is coincidence so we know that everything
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that's what eternity is that purpose has is for destiny's eternal purposes for under heaven
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and it is God's purpose is eternal purpose your destiny to build this it had to be launched
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when you're 80 it might feel like a delay but it was not and right now someone is about
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to send you that million-dollar check in the name of Jesus you just see they need to be
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obedient whether it's a hundred thousand whether it's ten thousand dollars it's gonna be wonderful
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that you have your plaque this is beautiful as blown away because I was like he's gonna
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think I stole some my stuff from him because God's been downloading several things that
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are so similar seriously I'm planning the same scam wow fucking wow yeah I I mean she's
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I mean I am a little bit in awe of her oratory prowess she you mean her ability to just keep
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talking yes yeah but in a way that makes it sound like she's jesusing well but it's not
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she's marjoing she's doing the tent revivalist bullshit it's it if you actually listen to
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these longer clips of her talking it's disconnected it's rambling it's using rhetorical devices
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where you say like similarly framed sentence fragments repeatedly yeah like God is love
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God is will God is faith like wow you clearly just on repetition trying to come up with
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the next thing you say yeah like I've done stand-up enough to know that like sometimes
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you forget where you're going and you have just little things that you can say yeah to
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like fill time why like oh that's my next bit all right I'll get into this yeah so much
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of her sort of rhetorical prowess is just those tricks those same things that you do
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right in order to be like okay I know how to make it sound like I have a point and that's
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kind of it I also that's why I bring up Marjo it's a 12 year old kid talking to thousands
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upon thousands of people yeah there's these tricks work yeah so I find it distasteful
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that she now has an official job in the government and she's on Jim Baker's show saying like
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hey you asking for a thousand dollars for a plaque or your Christian profit network
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you're gonna think I ripped you off cuz I'm doing that yeah I'm gonna do that yep you
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work in the government now uh-huh this is this is distasteful it's a never-ending thirst
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too isn't that that's that's so that sucks like you've got so much money you've got more
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money than you could conceive of and all you can think to do is just try and scam more
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people out of fucking dollars yeah because she's not you know you're he's not getting
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$10,000 donations he's getting five bucks from people who fucking need five bucks maybe
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you know yeah or a thousand dollars for people who need yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely
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but look dude what you don't understand is that this money there's a ledger sheet in
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heaven every treasure you give here on earth is being stored up in heaven there is a department
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of Treasury in heaven now I know minutians over it down here but I'm telling you there's
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a Department of Treasury in heaven that God is watching over everything you do and you
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are storing up eternal treasure that will go so far beyond I think that we can even
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begin to imagine that you are mandated by God I feel a mandate I know I was supposed
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to come share my book but I feel a mandate to help you build this and God says remove
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the pressure remove the burden that you are not supposed to carry burdens that would stress
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you out that would make you physically ill you're to live well over a hundred years you're
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to carry on I'm telling you and that I know this spiritually because there is much work
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for you to do and it is not supposed to stress your body stress your mind and listen there
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is no stress on him by the Spirit of God except trying to get the gospel out which means that
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somebody needs to do their part and you are that somebody and when you step up your life
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is about to be revolutionized how do you think I got out of that trailer God is about to
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make a supernatural way for you right now in your obedience to standing with Jim and
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Laurie because it's really not your dream and all God just chose you as the vessel it's
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God's dream because he knows you'll be obedient and that's what God wants it so you're not
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watching by coincidence God wants to heal you he wants to bring you into your something
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greater but you've got to line up here and when you line up your something greater gets
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released man it's so powerful that's wow insane wow yeah she's talking directly to the people
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watching at home wow you need to obey wow now what's what's fucked up what's so interesting
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about this is that there's this belief that she's expressing that people like Jim shouldn't
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have to feel stress they should be relieved of the stress of the millions of dollars that
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they're trying to make in order to operate exactly how they're operating now so you should
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be relieved of the stress of having an extra thousand dollars that you don't know what
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to do with that's the I mean that's a fun way to say it but in reality she's not at
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all recognizing the stress of everyday people who they are targeting don't care no they
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don't and that's cruel yeah imagine abusive if you imagine hearing that and not thinking
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like if that's your brand of Christianity or if that's the only brand of Christianity
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you've been exposure but imagine listening to that and not coming to the conclusion that
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Christianity is fundamentally corrupt you know like just that's man I hate her so much
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it's I hate her so much for making me try and defend the ideal of what Christ wants
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it's a what he's what he preached but you should or whatever I don't know it's it's
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through these sort of repugnant examples that good versions of religion become very clearly
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identifiable yeah I think that maybe there's some value in them existing for that but I
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also think they do way more damage I think there's value of them existing in a museum
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maybe there's an interesting thing that she's be she's presenting here though that that
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you know if you're the person who believes this kind of thing and you're watching this
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and you have Paula White Cane she's someone who is a luminary in the evangelical world
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to the point where she now works in the fucking White House really don't like she's an incredibly
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credible person in this fear yeah right she has she has political clout she has religious
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clout she's a ton of money she's on Jim Baker's show he's one of the legends in the game yeah
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he's talking about how God has called him to create this new voice of the prophets network
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because prophets need a place to speak God told him he must do this so he has to do this
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Paula is saying like I came on to talk about my book but I feel so drawn to helping you
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pull off this miracle so you out there listening you need to obey and send in this money because
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Jim needs to not have the stresses of these financial things can't wearing over him so
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if you're 80 if you're in that position and you're listening to this you're presented
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with a couple of possibilities one is that I don't have the money I can't do it like
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you literally don't have the money right then you feel like well I can't be a part of this
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religious thing yeah or you do have the money and you're like I'm not gonna give it then
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you're disobedient to God not just that you're killing Jim Baker you're disobedient to God
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right or you have I don't know one thousand fifty dollars to your name yeah like well
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gotta I've got to do this you have to do it or else or else your God will punish you you're
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creating a dichotomy or a choice that's abusive no matter what you choose to do it's just
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a trap this is this is a sick trap that she's putting people into who have gone far enough
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to believe the version of religion that she's putting forth and I just I think it's gross
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I think it's so sick it's cynical and and and it really is it really is yeah she is
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a fucking parasite siphoning off these people and it is and they worship her for it which
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is fucking mind-boggling but it's not like Paula won't put her money where her mouth
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is you need a thousand they can go get mine they can go get my check and write a thousand
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dollars right now seriously I'll be the first one the first I'm gonna need a receipt for
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that this is a no-brainer this is God right now I'm gonna miss out I'm gonna tell somebody
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to do something so she little run get my purse and Sheila can you ever you've got the first
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two will you run get my purse in the back they already put on the screen the ten thousand
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dollar club which is the prophets armor-bearer team join that those are people not only they're
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helping to build the studio but they're especially going to be helping with the chamber you know
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the prophets chamber did you hear about the prophet chamber in a second Kings sure woman
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says that I want to go but the Bible says when you give to a prophet you receive a prophet's
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reward amen and I believe in God for some folks that will say Jim I'm just gonna join
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this $10,000 armor-bearer we call it for the prophets this is so vital people to I am blown
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away because what you're doing for him to have a studio very much in Florida it's almost
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like I'm sitting here going this is just like God is speaking this is exactly what I'm doing
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in Florida this is amazing this is ridiculous yeah this is disgusting I owe me the only
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I actually still wouldn't be compelled by this but I would think it would be interesting
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if you know she's like I'll give you a thousand dollars and then Jim's like well we also have
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the $10,000 level she's like I can't afford that I'm sorry I can oh I can I can afford
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a million of those but I cannot afford that yeah I in the 50s one of the ways that they
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fought the KKK was just revealing how stupid the names were like you're you're a grand
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dragon armor level and people were like that's fucking stupid yeah if you're in profits armor
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level fuck off there's an interesting thing here where like the conversation around this
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this network and the the importance of being obedient is done on the thousand dollar level
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which is still a lot of money for someone to be sending Jim Baker ridiculous amount
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of money but it's not in the realm of comical kind of you know it's not it's not to the
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point where you're like get the fuck out of here yeah so you I am sure but you internalize
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the idea of giving him this amount of money in the context of like its obedience to give
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to Jim and then you escalate a little bit so now this $10,000 level it all the other
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stuff we talked about with the thousand dollar level it still applies oh it's still in there
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yeah you get more down it's an escalation yeah so you know it's important that there
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are prophets and they speak and it's not just because prophets are psychic that's that small
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potatoes sure it's because they are able to will words of God into existence or something
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I really don't think that's true this is weird without a prophetic word then the people so
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when the priest's mouth was open and the prophets mouth were open the people prospered and prosperity
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is not money to prosper means to advance to break out to break through to break forth
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it means there's no way you're going to be able to break out break through break forth
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without that prophetic word it is not just for telling but it's telling forth so when
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a prophet and there are many true prophets in the earth right now when the prophet comes
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forth the prophetic utterances don't just foretell it's not just it's not like a psychic
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or something I mean familiar spirits can do that it has the blood of God to not only download
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the word of knowledge the word of wisdom discerning of spirits but it's the prophetic word that
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shifts so it's not just for telling it's telling forth that's shifting you into alignment which
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is what ecclesiastics 3 is all about that God's put eternity in your heart so the will
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of God can come to pass in the earth so when the prophet gets the direction then the intercessors
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have to come in and pray it through which is why you've got a chapel over here and you've
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got a chapel over here so that the people can pray through what the prophetic word is
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and you say well why is this important because if somebody doesn't do it nations are going
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to go down it's just that simple so right now write the p.o box call that toll-free
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number and so that thousand so that ten thousand dollars and be a part of this I feel it's
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such an urgency in my spirit right now holy shit wow holy wow shit wow that's an ad pivot
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man that is she she should be fucking homeless she should be homeless because she is the
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type of person who is begging for your money who would shit on a homeless person if they
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asked her she might actually in a couple clips she's a fucking thief yeah yeah I mean you
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see so clearly there this like okay so you need the place where the prophets can come
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and speak but you also need all the intercessors the prey well of course so that's why you
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have your compound here for the people praying really those are your middle managers look
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this is super important because if this doesn't happen then the west is gone or whatever yep
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so please send me your money not please you better oh yeah box please is rude for her
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yeah holy shit man that is fucked up it's so bad yeah not least of which because prophets
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are apparently just chiropractors they're just gonna align you better yeah they're not
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going to bring any they're not going to actually bring anything into existence or just bring
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for align you with what is or what god yeah that was a big pile of nonsense it definitely
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is so they move on from this although it does come up a lot the giving the money for the
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the new chapel and the studio not a surprise and but I think it's more important really
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to focus on what they get into after this which is some of the more like I know she's
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not into politics she's not she's not political sure um but it's important to recognize that
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through Paula Jim Baker has a direct line to the White House yeah she became the first
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woman to pray at the inauguration nope using the name of Jesus and she and your other ministers
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that you helped put together we're doing it every day praying every day and worshiping
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in the White House Lori and I are on the phone every week with the White House I love it
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when we I don't know if you know that but I know you're on the phone behind it god's
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orchestrating ha ha ha god's behind it but Paula's orchestrating this direct line this
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direct connection between scam fucks like Jim Baker and the and the White House yep
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this is how you end up like this is one of the things it's like it's so easy for them
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now yeah it is so easy someone like Trump is so like very easy for them to I don't know
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how much of it is playing him and how much of it's just like yeah but whatever it is
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like okay this is good there is the question you have to recognize this is like what's
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going on in the world right now is so fucked up that this is like issue 30 yeah yeah but
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in stable fine times this would be a very pressing this is a real big problem you know
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what this has the potential to rise up that list to number five it will be easily very
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quickly left to its own devices this doesn't get better yeah and I don't see any reason
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why it would stop but like that that's what's so crazy about about the world right now is
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just like I see this as a very very very serious issue but I also recognize that it doesn't
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rank yeah well so you know again she's not political but Trump is gonna get rid of the
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Johnson Amendment which she's super into yeah this is where we get into some conversation
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about someone experiencing homelessness and that Johnson Amendment I'm in the back was
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the thing holding over and your president Donald Trump that you work with said we're
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gonna stop it because he looked down we were up on his 26th floor and he looked down he
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goes that guy he said you he gets it he understands the church I say the church is the only legal
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entity in the earth that has the authority to bring true transformation and President
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Trump what's the importance and the power of the blood-bought Church of Jesus Christ
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and he said you are the most powerful people he's saying this to pastors because he knows
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that that it is the Word of God that transforms a life and he said but that guy down the street
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there that homeless guy has more power than you do in your pulpit to make a change right
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and he said I'm president he said that's not going to happen and it hasn't Jesus oh boy
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yeah that's not good yeah yeah I wonder I wonder is like I wonder what is going on in
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those meetings like I wonder if she is conning Trump or if they have a a business agreement
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as equals you know I'm saying yeah I can't he's like hey you'll you deliver me this voting
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block right and I will say fucking go hog wild I have no idea I couldn't even begin
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to speculate about that but it doesn't it doesn't seem like either would shock me too
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much no exactly I think it's probably more likely that there's like an understanding
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yeah between between them they've known each other for a fucking long time yeah game recognize
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game it's not like you could probably be around Paula White Cane for very long without being
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like something's up here yeah yeah even if you're oblivious yeah you kind of get what's
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going on so I would be surprised if it's an outright con and more of like a hey there's
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a lot for you to gain from keeping a stranglehold on the evangelical vote in the country and
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there's a lot for me to gain if you get rid of certain regulations about how churches
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can operate yeah so let's let's do this yeah so look dude the issue is that she's not political
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but why would you want to get rid of the Johnson Amendment if you weren't political well because
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that's about God the look freedom is gonna disappear in this country sure if they get
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their way unless Trump wins in 2020 the freedom of America soon if we don't this election
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is so important it's vital it just scares me what is to Supreme Court justices yes we
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already know it is potential we know we'll have a third one we didn't need the time but
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it is very potential that we could have a fourth or even a fifth now that makes let
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me tell you what that makes some people do that's gonna make it's it is a dividing line
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and let you have eyes to see because it's gonna either make you stand and have to look
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in your word and say what does the Word of God say and where do I line up where do I
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line up on policy I might not like the personality I might not understand him get my book and
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you'll understand yeah the personality and you'll understand that person okay not just
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the persona that's right but where do I line up and you're gonna have to make a decision
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that won't be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you your children
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your grandchildren but you're gonna have to stand accountable before God one day that's
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not based on your opinion you're hurt you're wounding what you think what you don't educate
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yourself know the issues know the Word of God and then if you cannot align with the
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Word of God I just I I don't see it so if we can change the Supreme Court like we are
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already changing it yeah and we can these are lifetime appointments you don't think
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all hell is trembling right now oh yeah oh no I am yeah I am trembling right now what
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she's expressing is that you know along with Jim is that freedom is gonna disappear unless
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Trump can fundamentally reshape the Supreme Court towards more extremist religious Christian
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views so she's not political neither are we down it's it's interesting for that to be
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such a such a thing again I understand I just it's a it's a it's a place of like not owning
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your place you know an attempt to not own your place in the system is fine really lame
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and kind of weak yeah I want to be involved in advocating fundamentalist religious positions
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that spill over into politics I now work in the White House I'm not into politics yeah
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it's just lame it's just lame and here she drifts into politics a little more in a very
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dishonest way but I can tell you things right now in certain states they've already passed
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legislation in states that says the Bible is a book of hate speech it is only a matter
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of time those laws are already passed because people are asleep in my opinion do you think
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this next election could change America forever if absolutely wrong way oh no doubt about
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it oh yeah absolutely yeah so when people like policy things like that when they try
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to say that their laws being passed that declare the Bible hate speech it's really important
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to get down to what the laws actually are that they're talking about because I've seen
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other sermons that she's given I know that she's specifically talking about a law in
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California since it's a very common talking point for her as well as other dumb dumb televangelists
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the law that she's talking about is assembly bill 2943 which was written to ban conversion
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therapy a segment about the bill on one America news network the place that employs Jack Passobak
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argued that this was going to make the Bible hate speech and outlaw the sale of the Bible
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from there it became a hot talking point with the evangelical crowd confirming their worst
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fears about the state trying to oppress them conversion therapy has been shown not to achieve
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the desired goal which is a phrasing that I'm uncomfortable with but honestly I don't
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know how to express that point any other way these people believe that they're able to
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change people's fundamental identity or or persuasion or sexual orientation but it doesn't
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achieve that goal no I hate that phrasing I hate I hate I hate that I can't find a better
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way to say that because even the phrasing seems to imply that there is a goal you know
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or whatever it's just anyway it's just torture yeah it's a brutal practice that often involves
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trying to attach negative stimuli like nauseation or electro shocks with homosexual thoughts
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or feelings and I don't honestly understand what the difference is between that and like
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you said torture yeah that's if you read those things it's like oh that's a clockwork orange
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yes describing a clockwork orange and that's not always the case in these in these but
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it does exist enough oh it's a very worth mentioning yeah a recent study published in
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the Journal of the American Medical Association linked quotes of your psychological distress
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to attempts made at subjecting trans people to conversion therapy the co-author of that
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study found that quote trans people who are exposed to conversion efforts any time in
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their lives have more than double the odds of attempting suicide compared to those who
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have never experienced efforts by professionals to convert their gender identity the study
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also found that age is really important and that people who are subjected to these things
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even earlier in life have a four times higher rate of attempting suicide it's a very serious
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issue conversion therapy has applied to things like gender identity or sexual orientation
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are barbaric dehumanizing and absolutely cause severe problems for the people subjected to
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those treatments but Christian fundamentalists like Paula see conversion therapy is just
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part of their religious outreach it's what the Bible would tell her to do so if California
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is banning conversion therapy then that's actually California banning her following
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the Bible this is extremist shit she may have a soft lilt to her voice she may not be saying
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that she wants to kill people who don't fit her mold of religious beliefs but Paula does
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not give a fuck about living in a free society she knows that she can't really make the argument
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that she wants to make in reality she can't say I want LGBTQ youth subjected to brutal
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therapies that don't work to make them more likely and make them more likely to kill themselves
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because I think their identities are wrong she knows that argument doesn't play in a
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free society so she lies she moves the goalpost and turns it into an argument where California
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is trying to outlaw the Bible because that achieves the same end result of put like her
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pushing the radical extremist agenda and more importantly keeps those sweet donations coming
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in you could see how this easily could like this exact same logic could be used by anybody
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who wants to push some form of religious fundamentalism yeah I mean switch it out with female genital
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mutilation that's an easy example you could you could see or even like like just stay
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in the realm of the Bible like you could say we should stone adulterers and California
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passes a law that you can't they're trying to outlaw they're trying to outlaw the Bible
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yeah I mean you see the fundamental logic that's being used here is so deeply disturbing
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yeah yeah she I just I I can't I can't handle stuff like this I mean it it's missing the
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forest for the trees yeah and the forest is deep abuse yeah of people who don't fit your
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mold of what your the world you want to live in it right well I mean the basically the
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they're trying to say that torture is a religious practice to an extent yeah so I mean I guess
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if that's the argument that we're having that's what we should be talking about is it okay
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for torture to be part of your religious practice and I say no where do you come down with you
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okay I don't know how much this could be kind of a slippery slope but I don't see it being
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too far of a leap for her to then like apply this outside of just you know LGBTQ related
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conversion therapy type laws yeah like how big a leap is it for her to be like well Muslims
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who don't want to be Christian the Bible says go make fishers of men yeah spread the gospel
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like putting people into camps or centers who don't convert to Christianity right right
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right and we'll have that they'll be they'll be undergo conversion there if you want to
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do that too let's say Muslims and someone says you can't you're ruining my religious
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freedom trying to outlaw the Bible oh oh okay so now I can't shock people whenever they
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hear the word Allah fine you hate religion then I understand that that is an extension
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of this logic to maybe and maybe too far of a leap but it it does follow from the the
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precepts she's putting forth that that would be considered somehow banning of the Bible
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and saying that the Bible is hate speech yeah it is nonsense it's it's it's a what should
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be is the draconian gay conversion therapy should be too far out there to make as a slippery
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slope not a fucking full-on genocide is too far out there so what I mean yeah so Jim you
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know his work is bigger than himself which I would say like fine yeah and then Paula
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is just actively trying to give people to send Jim money doing this yeah it's bigger
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than me and it's so much bigger than me it is which is why right now you better write
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that p.o. box and not just but get the book and not just get this which is exclusive to
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Jim and Laurie not just send in 35 but you need to send in thirty five hundred dollars
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you need to send in thirty five thousand you need to send in that hundred thousand dollar
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check because you know God has blessed you you know what a blessing this ministry and
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now there's a launching of a network I'm telling you in God has mandated who in the world in
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their right mind would build a network at 80 years old no one unless they had a spiritual
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mind right so you or it doesn't take a lot of discernment yeah I guess so I mean he's
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old so he can't be scamming or he's a liar uh-huh I like that sort of like the the argument
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of like well he's gonna be dead soon why does he need money okay all right that works cool
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that's an applause line yep yep so we have one last clip and in that that the one we
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just heard it's a very it's very much kind of being couched in the like there is something
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to gain by giving him money yeah which is you know manipulative I still think it's wrong
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but at least it's a like hey you want to support the ministry so you should give I have thirty
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five thousand dollars sure a hundred thousand dollars in this next and last clip I think
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we're getting into the stick you know the the the threatening stick where it it changes
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where it's now if you don't give him money negative things no more carrot play a widow
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and you and your son might be getting ready to eat your last cake and your cruise might
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be failing and your barrel a meal might be failing but I'm telling you if you do not
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write that p.o. box and you do not call that toll-free number and you do not become a ministry
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of sustainer you will never see sustainment in your life and your dream will die your
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call will die because God sets it up that way that what you make happen for this ministry
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and as you sustain it God says your cruise is not going to fail your barrel is not going
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to fail your son might die but he's going to be resurrected because the enemy is going
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to come in but I'm going to cause life sustaining to come to you I'm going to cause your life
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to be sustained your son's life to be sustained your money to be sustained your dream to be
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sustained your business to be sustained because you are doing what I have said to do and I
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am telling you you are so right on right now because we know I hate to call this an industry
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but we know in the industry I'm so straightforward you're probably never going to have me back
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all right what they want to do they want to censor our voice yes they want to stop they
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want to keep charging us more and more yes they want and we know what we want to do get
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the gospel that's it we know that we want to preach the compromise gospel we know that
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they are closing that window tighter and tighter on us and if we don't launch our own networks
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that we have the ability through technology to control our voice and come together as
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the body of Christ then I'm telling you they are trying to shut down the word of God they're
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trying to shut it down yeah that sounds right there's the stick you know like if you don't
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give Jim this money then nothing that you want is ever going to come to pass yep that's
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so gross and if you do give him this money your kid might still die but he's going to
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come back in heaven buddy Department of Treasury one more time come on yeah you know that's
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like that's such a gross thing it's like the what she's presenting like your kid's gonna
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die if you give Jim a bunch of money the Treasury Department in heaven will recognize it on
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the ledger and they'll pay for whatever restorative health care is it doesn't matter if he was
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good or bad they're gonna pay for it I think we need Department of Treasury Medicare for
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all in heaven I think indulgences are great I think everybody saw how that worked with
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the Catholic Church and it was perfect this is gross like it's just disgusting levels
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of cynical money grabbing yeah that's going on here on this show like whether it's through
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it's trying to get her book sold we know that Jim Baker's already talked about he buys a
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ton of people's books so they've already made the money yeah yeah yeah he's got to sell
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it for Jim now so you know he's you're trying to sell this book and then trying to get hundred
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thousand ten thousand dollar donations to build his fucking studio so he can do a 24
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hour prophecy network yeah it's just it's and the way that he described the prophecy
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network too is like there's gonna be healings there he was he was pitching a TV show we're
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gonna have healings we're gonna have faith we're gonna bring in snakes yeah it's all
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gonna be there I know that's hot on YouTube TGIF yeah and like to put a button on this
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I mean I know that maybe you've brought it up a number of times but like I find his show
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immensely boring it's a transparent cash grab yeah it's disgusting what he's doing to people
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is abusive and I resent it entirely from a human standpoint and from a person who doesn't
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believe that religion is intrinsically evil yeah from both of those standpoints I find
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this to be the worst yeah but it's also super boring and I probably wouldn't even cover
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this episode where he's trying to raise money for his new film studio if his guest didn't
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work in the White House like this is the connection between these worlds is so explicit the connection
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here is more explicit than Alex's connection oh yeah oh yeah yeah Alex can't call him anymore
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no he doesn't have like his his guy in the White House Steve Miller like Steve Miller's
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not coming on the info wars it it's it's it's I don't even know the words to I'm speaking
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in tongues because I can't even come up with the word I want to use about this it's so
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and if you would like to hear Dan speak in tongues more please donate thousands upon
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thousands of dollars to our new foundation we're gonna do a 24-7 we're gonna call it
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tongue in with Dan I think we should change it's just gonna be rolling we should we should
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workshop that just the whole 24 hours endurance tongue roll yeah that's the plan I don't know
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I don't like I said I don't know the word but this is in the strongest possible terms
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I fuck this it is it is it really is like oh man there is no bottom just isn't a bottom
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there might be a bottom but it would be interesting to know what it is I think it's really close
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to Paula White Cane yeah like I think the bottom for people like this like a Jim or
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a Paula or a Laurie is just like being allowed to run all scams they want to run yeah that's
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the bottom but removing any anything that is it gets in the way of them fleecing gullible
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and vulnerable people is the bottom yeah I don't think they have any interest in going
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much further beneath that like I don't I don't know if these people are ideologues they might
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be they might be but I think that their ideology is far more about the scam right it is about
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actual look like social issues right now granted in pursuing like pursuing their scam they
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end up hurting a lot of people in political ways yeah well I mean a lot of these people
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also go insane and start to believe they're bullshit even if they didn't at the beginning
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you mean people like Jim or the people like their listeners no the megalomaniacal those
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cult leader types don't don't usually have restraints as they as they continue to gain
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popularity and you can see a lack of restraint even in Paula in the way that she's like these
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long rambling diatribes I wouldn't be too surprised even if she was like on some stimulants
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or something to be honest that wouldn't surprise the way this pressured speech anyway I find
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every time I take a look at Jim Baker to either be so bored as to just be a waste of my time
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or so just disgusted by what I see that this is one of them this is this is one of the
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latter types it is it is it is an achievement of sorts it is impressive to think that I
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listen to Alex Jones constantly and this is still like it raises the needle yeah it really
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does it's it's it's a dubious distinction that Jim and Laura or Laurie and Paula can
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have that even in my unshockable state of jadedness from listening to Alex Jones you
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have discussed it yeah yeah so congratulations there whoa oh boy yeah so we'll be back we
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will be back as wacky as we might have hoped this is an apocalypse Wednesday yeah so we'll
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to mention in any way on this episode is married to Paula white K Andy in Kansas you're on
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the air thanks for holding well Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your
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