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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello Alex, I'm a 6-10 caller.
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I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight.com. I love you. Hey
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everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Jordan. I'm Dan. This is a podcast where
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we like to sit around and drink some novelty beverages and while we're at it we like to
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talk a little bit about Alex Jones. That's right, we do Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan,
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what is the first time you ever felt achievement? Ooh, the first time I ever felt achievement?
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Maybe you won a race as a youth or maybe you... No, I will tell you this, I know this. Little
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League. Crazily, I know this specifically. It popped directly into my mind and I will
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tell you what it is, Dan. What's that? Dan, were you ever part of the Book It program?
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You don't get to ask me a question in response to my question. Well that's where, what I'm
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doing. I understand that's a rhetorical technique. That's where I got it. I was, I was a part
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of Book It. I remember in first grade. You went in those like personal pan pizzas and
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shit? Oh yeah, oh yeah. I won in like one week, I won eight personal pan pizzas. That's
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too many for one week. Like I just, I just went all out, I don't think I read a book
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again for like six months, but for one week I read all of the books and that was the first
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time that I truly felt like I had achieved something. Taking that first bite of a personal
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pan pizza. That's how you soothed all your wounds from when the rest of the class kicked
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your ass for that. Exactly, yes. Nerd. You are correct. I was looked at with just absolute
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disgust by everyone else. I can only imagine. When I had that, like I read so much that
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it sort of embarrassed the rest of the class and I remember it brought me to tears. The
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mockery that came from the Book It program. So that was not a sense of achievement for
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me as much as it was a shame about accomplishment. I had one saving grace which was that in my
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class there was another woman, a woman, it was first grade, so she was a woman. By now
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she's a woman. And she had always read more books than everybody else. She was like famous
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in the class for being that person in the class. Everybody knew, everybody knew. The
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whole school, Dan. And I kicked her ass that week. Wow. So that was a big deal. People
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didn't beat me up so much. Was she taking an off week, you think? Was she going easy
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on you? No, she had like six. Okay. Yeah, it was serious. But yeah, they're probably
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like, I don't know, Ramona Quimby age eight, right? That's the kind of books we're talking
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about. Yeah. We're talking about Cam Jensen. I was all about the Redwall series. Sure.
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So it's 300 page long books. All right. That's what I was up to. But those are easy to read.
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No offense to you and your youth. No, it's fine. It's fine. But Dan, today something
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that isn't easy to read. Okay. That's the best transition I got for you. That's not
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bad. Is what we're going to talk about. Yeah. So what we've got here is, Jordan, you're
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taking over this episode. That's the plan. And to give people a little bit of context
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of why, it's like, you know, listening to the present day stuff, I was thinking about
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doing another episode for Friday about Alex's intensity in the present day, but it's very
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similar to what we talked about on Wednesday. So I felt like it would be kind of repetitive
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and not really serve anyone's interests all that well. And simultaneously, I thought it
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would be kind of abusive to go and do another Boston bombing episode and keep going through
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2013. Two episodes like that in one week seems like a lot. Yeah. And then, you know, some
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of these Wacky Wednesday folks aren't bringing it. There's nothing really good over at Project
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Camelot Land. Reverend Manning, I don't really think, I think we got to the bottom of that
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guy. I think we can let that one go. Coach Dave's boring as shit. A lot of these other
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candidates just really aren't all that interesting. Someone like a Steven Crowder, you know, we
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can't do an episode about him. No interest. He's joking. Yeah. Quote, unquote. I considered
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a number of these overt, you know, white supremacist type of YouTube thing, like the right stuff.
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Like the president. Sure. But those things aren't really all that in our wheelhouse to
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talk about because they are overt with what they're talking about. Right, right, right,
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right. It kind of takes away a little bit of the shine if you're like, hey, you guys
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are being racist. And they're like, you bet we are. Yeah, yeah, we love it. Okay. All
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right. Well, that kind of invalidates our criticism a little bit. Yeah. So it's tough
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and it felt like this is the perfect time. It's been far too long. Let's get back into
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letting Jordan take over and seeing what happens. It's the one day of the year Dan remembers
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my job is actually difficult. I think I will relearn that once again. We'll find out. I
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don't know anything about what you're going to do. I know. Except I have a hunch that
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will be probably surrounding one of your big picadillos. Well, as you know, I have two
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main issues. First, I am very passionate about climate change and the danger. And second,
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I am very passionate about choosing weird, weird people to hate forever. Yeah. For instance,
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why do I hate Connor Friedersdorf so much? Well, partially because he validated you by
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getting into a Twitter fight with you just recently. Hey, I have been fighting Connor
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Friedersdorf for years. Yeah, but he just responded to you. It was lovely to call him
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a dum-dum to his face. That was one of the more surreal things ever, the sort of TV talking
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back who was watching on Twitter as that unfolded. I was like, Jordan, he's not wilting from
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this. His throat punches right back at this nationally syndicated columnist. What are
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you going to do? I don't know. What am I going to back down to his shitty writing? Let's
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take this to the DMs. Yeah, I got him. And then, of course, the combination of both of
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those things, insignificant weirdos to hate and climate change, is my boogeyman, Mark
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Moreno. He is a giant piece of shit. That was certainly what you went over on the last
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time you took over the show. And now I aim to prove that we never, and not just we, but
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no one ever needs to speak to Mark Moreno ever again. That's very exciting. And we'll
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you. But well, Dan, today we're going to talk about Mark Moreno. He wound up on September
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twenty third going on this news of this year. Wow. The same day that Greta spoke to the
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UN. Great. He was on both Fox and Friends and Fox Business. Sure. It's counterprogramming.
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That makes sense. And we're going to talk about his interviews. Do you mean to tell
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me the Fox News didn't just call Lord Moncton? No, it's a surprise, right? They might as
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well have. But before we get to those interviews, Dan, you're going to have to play this out
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of context drop. All right. If we can go to Wal-Mart, buy a solar panel, get off the grid,
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we can stop this nonsense about the Green New Deal. All right. That's my favorite, favorite
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quote. Well, I mean, is he expressing that if we all went to like renewable energies
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and we wouldn't need a Green New Deal? Oh, OK. He is just saying that as a sarcastic
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aside, as just like, sure, they say that we need renewable energy and it wouldn't be lovely
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if we could all just go off the grid and burn down pipelines and shit. Then we can stop
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the Green New Deal. And it was just it was just absolutely surreal to listen to that.
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So he shows up on Fox and Friends first because it is the morning show naturally and it is
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filled with the type of dumdums who are going to allow him to say absolutely ridiculous
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things. Talking about the deuce. I am talking about Steve Doocy. I'm talking about Brian
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Kilmeade. And I am talking about whoever else they have on that show. Sure. But the thing
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about him is if you are booking him in twenty nineteen, you know exactly what he's going
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to say. And it completely invalidates your show. He has nothing new to add. He has nothing
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that hasn't been debunked a million times. He is not referencing anything that he has
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not talked about. There's no groundbreaking information that Moreno is bringing to the
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table. Decade. All right. For a decade. So you you put him on your show for one reason
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and one reason only. And that's to spread climate denial propaganda. That's it. And
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if you put him on your show, it's an admission of guilt that that is what you are trying
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to do. OK. Because God damn it, if he hasn't. I mean, it's it's ridiculous. But this time
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he has one wrinkle. He has done some man on the street interviews, Dan. You know how we
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love man on the street interviews. These people are so convinced that those mean something.
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Yeah, I know. It's it's wild that it's so you find it in so many different places. You
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know, like, I mean, I guess Fox News and Infowars aren't too far from each other spiritually,
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at least. But yeah, that idea that they're just like, you know what? We asked seven people
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on the street and edited together three of their responses. Boom. Did it. Yeah, we win.
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That's weird. Right. They're supposed to be news. Here's the weirdest part, or at least
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this. I don't think this is weird. I think this is brilliant as far as strategy goes.
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Unlike so many other man on the street interviews where the idea is we're going to catch these
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people who are uninformed, we're going to edit together to make it look like all these
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climate people are fucking stupid. We took care of that. They did something really, really
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I think smart, which is they got all these kids to say 100 percent true and accurate
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things. And they did it well. Every one of these people nails it. Every single thing
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they say is correct. And it's just like we talked about where they're going for your
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strength to make like they're attacking you on the strength. They're not trying. Swift
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boat. Exactly. They are swift boating. They are not trying to make these people look stupid.
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They're trying to make their ideas stupid because they're coming from children. Ah,
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that's their plan. So here's our first interview. This is the first thing that they play. You
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like Greta over Trump. She she's helping make the world a better place by helping clean
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up the environment by trying to help clean up the environment. The exact opposite. Makes
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sense. Yep. Both of them nailed it. That one girl is about like eight years old. And then
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the other one looks like she might be related to her, but nobody knows because she just
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hops into frame and photobomb. And she's just like Trump's doing the exact opposite. I guess
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what the argument from that clip that I can gather is sort of like just the idea of like
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if you believe this, you agree with children. Yeah. It's like, hey, man, children are sometimes
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right about things like chicken fingers are great. Absolutely. You know, universally children
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are wrong about everything. Their reasons for believing that what they believe that
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I agree with might be different, like we might have different paths to a conclusion. But
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I love chocolate, too. Right. Right. Right. I don't know why it's all food stuff. I guess
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we're recording around one. So, you know, well, because I have a baby mouth. But but
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still, you have a what? A baby mouth. What is a baby? But I've never heard that term
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before. It's something like it gets yelled at me by friends a lot because I don't like
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a lot of foods. That's what they say. Yeah. You got a baby mouth. Oh, I always heard you're
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a picky eater. Well, I mean, that's basically what it means. Right. Yeah. I prefer baby
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mouth. So much of it comes down to the texture of the food for everyone out there who's curious.
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I don't like like like tofu. Right. Get it the fuck away from me. Right. Right. Right.
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I cannot chew that. Right. Disgusting. Yeah. I've made my peace. I think me and kids agree
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on that, too. And that is better for the climate than Trump. Easily. That's the that's the
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insidious nature of it, though, is that they want you to associate. Look at how silly this
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girl is. She's jumping and screaming and Trump's doing the exact opposite. But if you took
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all that, just the same exact words that those kids said and put them from some random talking
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head on CNN, they would sound perfectly reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way that you
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could take those words in that order and say that they're wrong, you know, so they don't
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do that. They don't react to that with like and here's how Trump is helping. They just
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laugh at her. They're just like, look at how stupid these kids are. So if you see. So the
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idea is, if you're watching Fox News and you see them talking shit about these kids, they're
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saying the exact same sentences and you're laughing at them because they're children.
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And then on CNN, somebody says that later that night and you're like, that's what that
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stupid children said. Yeah, it's a good strategy. Killing or shooting the messenger kind of
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thing. You know, you have to deal with what's being said. Right. You've already said, fuck
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this kid. Yeah. Speaking of which, they're supposed to be like the family values, like
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protected the children, kind of. We celebrate the child. God bless the child.
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You know, that that kind of network. And yet there they are using just the appearance of
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children as like to make an idea stupid. Oh, yeah. That's great. Yeah. Good stuff. They're
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wonderful. Good stuff. Now, Dan, let me ask you, do you know why children love Greta so
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much? Probably some sort of version of seeing themselves reflected in her a little bit,
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some sort of identification factor. The idea that she's making positive change in the
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world. Right. Through her belief that maybe they, too, could make positive change in the
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world. That's my guess. Yeah. Those all that sounds very reasonable. I don't. I would be
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surprised to discover how wrong you are. Is that right? Yeah. What is it about her that
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is interested so many young people? Well, she sells fear. Oh, yeah. That's what it is.
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Yeah. She's a fear salesman. Oh, that's why the youth are so into Alex Jones. They love
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fear. Uh-huh. That makes sense. I thought they were going to say it was the pigtails.
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No, no, no. It would have been lovely if if there was some what is that? What's her name
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with the pigtails? Pippi Longstocking? Pippi Longstocking. That's it. Yeah. I was also
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thinking of what was the other one? I don't know. There's another. No, there's another
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like young woman who is always in a field or something. Are you thinking of like the
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Ricola salespeople? They sell fear. Yeah. What else is there when you hear a giant screaming
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horn? That big brrr. Yeah. That's a tornado siren. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't I don't know
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if I agree with them so far. I'm trying to take a really objective stance as I've known
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to do on this show. Naturally. It doesn't seem like. What's what's fun to me about that
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is literally he is saying throughout this entire interview we need to be afraid of Greta
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and he is basically telling that to everybody who is watching the show while at the same
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time starting with Greta's the one who's trying to make you afraid. Right. And that's why
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you should be terrified of Greta. Right, right. Now this from our sponsors. Right. That kind
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of thing. Our message is one of hope. Right. Hope that is only found in fossil fuels. Yes.
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Exactly. Whereas this 16 year old scaremonger is out there trying to make you afraid. Oh
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yeah. So be afraid of her attempts to make you afraid. Exactly. I bring you the warm
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soft comforting blanket of coal. Exactly. All right. Exactly. I see where this is going.
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Oh yeah. That's that's basically where we are going to keep going with this interview.
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It is all like here's what's wrong with Greta. Here's how Greta is hurting you and what's
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best. What's the best part is there's always like and also Greta is hurting your children.
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She is also doing that. Yeah we heard a bit of that from Alex as well. Yeah. Here Greta
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Thunberg started in Sweden every Friday outside the Swedish parliament and it spread to skip
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school in order to have a future. In other words she's actually said and she's addressed
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the EU the United States Congress testified that why should kids go to school if they
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have a future that will be no more unless government passes laws like the Green New
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Deal more U.N. treaties. See it's her fault entirely. She's telling all your kids to not
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even go to school dad. Little does Mark Moreno know I dropped out of high school probably
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before Greta was born. There's other. Yeah there's other reasons. I would say so. Yeah
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might skip school. And she's just weaponizing that towards a positive goal. She's weaponizing
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dropping out of school or skipping school or the fear that people have of their kids
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not being formally educated or whatever. I think I think I think you could make an argument
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for that. Right. Maybe. Yeah. But I don't know how much that's destroying kids. I don't
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think it's destroying kids at all. And dropping out of school didn't really hurt me that much.
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I still went to college. Nope. It's it's no big deal. And the thing about that is it is
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unbelievable how quick all of this happened. It's really really amazing. Like here's what
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here's when Greta started a year ago. That was it. There's the strikes right. Right.
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She started by skipping school on what is it. August 20th 2018. She skipped school and
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goes outside the Swedish parliament telling them they need to do more on climate change
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on the because Soros told her. Yes. Well naturally right. Naturally on the 26th she did it again.
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And this time a bunch of other students and teachers and parents all came along with her
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in September. She began to do it every single Friday. So this is September 2018 is about
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a year ago. And all of a sudden students in other schools are doing the same in November
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more than 17000 students walk out on Friday in February of this year. The protests take
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place in 30 countries in March. Greta Thunberg is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. So from
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when she started it in August to March she got a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. See now
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the path that you're describing this quick progression of it and stuff like this is what
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the right wing uses to argue that there's no way this was organic. Right. You know like
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what you're doing is laying the track that those people use to be like this is all bullshit
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right. Of course Astro turf. Yeah yeah. Now at the same time in March more than 2 million
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students over one hundred and thirty five countries start walking out in May. She's
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named one of the most influential people in the world by time. She started this when she
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was 15. And in eight months she is one of the most influential people in the world.
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I don't I don't know if you have this in your research. Has Mark Moreno ever been named
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on that list or has he ever been nominated for Nobel for a Nobel Peace Prize. No no no
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no. He did get one for literature and explain. He's got a Pulitzer. Yeah it was it was him
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and Steve Pachannik both of their work on Tom Clancy novels. I think I read that in
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their bios. Yeah. And then in in August 14 she gets on a climate neutral boat to be she's
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invited to the U.N. climate summit. Again she is six fucking team. And then on September
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20th on September 20th that was the climate strike that took place in over one hundred
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and eighty five countries. It's the number is incalculable of people who participated
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in that. And then on September 23rd she finally speaks to the U.N. I hope everybody has watched
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and seen the entire video but it's it's just impossible. Like I watched this speech the
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entire time and then I watched people talking about it on all the talking heads and they're
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just talking about it very like calmly like Greta Thunberg speaks to the U.N. That is
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not how she sounds. This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on
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the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you.
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She had the balls to say that to the fucking U.N. Mm hmm. Well it's not like the U.N.'s
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going to kill her. Like I mean I understand that it does take a lot of strength and I'm
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not taking that away from her at all. That's an amazing act of bravery. And like when you're
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16 I don't think that most people would be able to just give a speech period. Right.
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Let alone something that confrontational. To the most powerful people in the entire
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world. Right. They're the most powerful. But again it's not like they're going to kill
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her. Really. It's not like she became an incredibly famous figure and now people are sending her
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death threats all day. But who is the people who are sending her death threats. It's not
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the U.N. Well Putin called her a bunch of nicks. Well that's a little different. It's
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not like Juncker or whatever. The people who Alex points a figure at. Right. I mean that
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doesn't take away anything. I'm just saying. No I get it. Right. But just for comparison
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go ahead and play the. This is this is Bloomberg. OK. And let me also thank President Trump
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for coming today to the United Nations. Hopefully our discussions here will be useful for you
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when you formulate climate policy.
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Well it's not like they're going to. Isn't that. Yeah it's a real juxtaposition of strategies.
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Yeah strategies or being a giant piece of shit like Bloomberg. I fucking hate him. That
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was I don't know I don't know enough to say that was 20 minutes after Greta's speech.
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Like that's what he came to. And let's let's hear her one more time. OK. You have stolen
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my dreams in my childhood with your empty words. Yeah she's a I can't get over this.
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I cannot get over the fact that she is 16. She is saying that how I could barely do that
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now let alone when I was 16. Sure. That's incredible. Yeah. And the amount of pressure
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and everything that she has been under and how she has responded to it and the fucking
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steel will that she has is so unique that it's it's hard to comprehend. I really could
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not. I cannot say enough that Greta is truly a fucking hero beyond anything that I think
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I've encountered in a long while. She is very forceful and she's right and she's telling
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the world off and she's making sure that everybody knows. But you know what she's representing
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a large group of young people ostensibly who are worried about the earth and worried about
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the you know their future. Now you would think that climate change is a threat to their future
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right. Right. Not true. Mark Moreno knows what the real threat to children is. It's
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now in Europe where kids are getting anti-anxiety medication they believe they're going to die.
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She is the Greta effect. She's causing and instilling fear in millions of kids around
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the world. Mark. Yeah it's Greta. She's the real threat Dan. Mental illness and anxiety
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disorders did not exist before August 20th 2018. Yes you are correct. So this makes sense
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this checks out. Yeah. Congratulations Mark. You've made a spectacular argument. Oh yeah.
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And now I was looking into this because he said the EU specifically and I I was like
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why would you choose the EU. I couldn't find anything specific to the EU that makes any
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sense. Well it's because she's Swedish. I would assume. They're not taking anxiety.
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No I mean like she's your she's comes from a European countries that's why you say EU.
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Oh yeah that's true. It's I feel like it's just that simple. Yeah you're probably right.
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That's my guess. You're probably right. Yeah I. But the thing is I couldn't find anything
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about the EU. But in March of 2017 the American Psychological Association released a 69 page
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report about this very idea this climate induced anxiety. Right. And it has a bunch of tips
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for mental health professionals on how to how to deal with what they call a solastalgia
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the distress that is produced by environmental change impacting on people while they are
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physically connected to their home environment. Here are some of my favorite tips. OK sunscreen
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as Lerman they cribbed Baz Luhrmann. They did not add sunscreen strangely enough. Yeah
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I know. Tip number one build belief in one's own resilience. Yeah not a bad tip. That's
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pretty good generally. Yeah it doesn't even apply to solasthesia or whatever this is called.
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You'll you'll find a running running tally of that just general good tips. OK. Tip number
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two foster optimism. Not a bad idea. No. Tip number three cultivate active coping and self-regulation
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skills. Tip number four maintain practices that help to provide a sense of meaning. And
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tip number five promote connectedness to family place culture and community. Yeah these are
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all very specific to climate change right. You know what. Here's the fucking bullshit
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about. First of all these are trite but good. They're good. No they are good. They're not
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specific in any way. These accusations that someone like Mark Moreno would be making of
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she's like causing anxiety and fear and all this stuff. This would be totally right on
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if Greta was getting up and being like hey you know what this is all bullshit and we
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shouldn't do anything about it. We're all going to die. Yeah that's true. Like if she
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was coming out with a message of nihilism just like this tune out like let's all form
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a death cult now. Yeah yeah yeah. Then yeah sure. But then she'd be even more my hero.
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Right. Part and parcel of the message that's being sent is you know there are things we
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can do and the things that we should do. So along with the anxiety there is that might
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come up in some people who hear the message. There's also an optimism. There's also a clear
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actionable set of things that can be done. Right. And so I don't know I just don't I
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don't buy I don't buy the idea that climate activists are causing that kind of a reaction
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because there is action. There is there is a way of averting the negative outcomes that
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would cause fear. Right. Like I just don't get it. I mean they're liars. Yeah. Well yeah
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I mean that does hurt. In Moreno's eyes obviously the real fear is Greta and what she's doing
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she's telling kids all of this stuff and now they're anxious. They're they're all losing
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their minds. Now that hasn't been shown to be true at all. But climate change does have
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a demonstrable effect on mental health. Oh geez. The concept itself just raising temperatures
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not not the concept. No no no. The thing itself. Yes. The phenomena. Yeah not the concept.
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Yeah. Yeah. The phenomena in in with two studies one in 2001 by Anderson et al and another
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in 2005 by semester and Cooper or semester semester. Oh right. It seems like it should
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be. I thought it was the guy from Avenged Sevenfold semester. I thought it was another
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Ethan Hawke movie. Could be. They showed a causal relationship between increased heat
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and increased regression. You know it's the it's in summers in Chicago we all know the
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death toll goes up. Well it's really fucking annoying to be hot. Right. I think we all
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know that just on an experiential basis. Yeah it's fucking really bothersome. I'm a sweaty
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dude too. It's even worse. It sucks. Yeah. Think of that every every little bit every
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little day the higher temperature causes more and more aggression. Furthermore you got to
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think about how expensive it is to use air conditioning. Yeah. Yeah. Just trapped. What
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if you can't afford a free on right. Which also is killing the planet in case you were
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one. Sure. Yeah you're you're damned either way. Which causes more heat which causes more
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frustration. There you go. It's a it's a vicious cycle. And also it's not just like aggression
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towards other people quote higher temperatures have been linked to increased levels of suicide.
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It appears that the dish. This is from a study in 2006 by Lee et al. It appears that the
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distress of feeling too hot can overwhelm coping ability for people who are already
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psychologically fragile. Climate emergencies can also exacerbate pre-existing systems
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symptoms and lead to more serious health problems. Right. So it's probably not Greta that's
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increasing our our difficulty there. Yeah. But the worst one the one that's destroyed
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me is in 2000 in 2013 a console will locks which I don't know if that's how you pronounced
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it. They examined the impact of climate change on a small Inuit community. These people have
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very personally and directly seen climate change in action action. It's not like it's
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not like they're you know living in Illinois. It's not as abstract. It is right fucking
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there. They see their land disappear. They see their hunting grounds disappear just like
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most you know indigenous species in all of those places except they can tell people how
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it feels. And they specifically said that because of this change they started feeling
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insecurity anger stress but most of all a loss of community like they didn't feel connected
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to each other as much anymore. And the elders were specifically concerned about the preservation
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of the Inuit language and culture. This quote is is damning. We are people of the sea ice.
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If there's no more sea ice. How can we be people of the sea ice. Yeah that makes sense.
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Yeah that's on strikes. Yeah. As we as we see climate change progress the biggest issue
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I I think is is one that we're not really talking as much about. And that is the massive
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amount of displacement. Oh sure. Combined with the loss of community and the increase
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of aggression. Well and there's so many like even urban areas that are going to be like
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around the world that are going to be uninhabitable. Yeah. That like the displacement won't just
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be from like coastal areas. It'll be. Yeah it could be could be pretty severe. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely. And he's not really terribly interested in the mental health effects
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of climate change. What about the like people in the farmers in India that had like all
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their crops diminished and there's that study about increased suicide rates among them like
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you care about that. Well the Syrian civil war. Most people attribute that to that is
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most people are most scientists who've studied it. Political scientists as well think that
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that's probably the first war that's directly tied to climate change. Interesting. I was
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unaware of that. Yeah there was a drought in the mid 2000s that caused all of the previously
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disparate farming communities and all of those small communities to lose all of their food.
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And so they had to move to the city and the city wasn't ready for an influx of that many
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people. Nobody had jobs. You have 18 to 19 or 18 to 23 year olds with less than 60 percent
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on employment and kaboom. Yeah that makes some sense. I was unaware of those variables
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and action. I mean nobody's saying that it's entirely because they had to move you know
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right there. There are a few grievances in Syria aside from like a couple. Yeah yeah
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there's a few few bad guys. But again Dan we get back to the children. Right. Won't
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someone think of the children. Someone needs to. Yeah. Then that person is Mark Moreno
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and he has something that he would say to a child. Mark a lot of kids you know they
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they watch their other friends say certain things. They jump on board. They celebrate
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you know Earth Day and do all these projects. More pressure. Exactly. If this were your
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child though what would you what would you tell him or her. Well first of all I would
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tell them the government can't legislate the climate. All right. I mean it's fair. It's
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true. To some extent. Can't pass a bill. The temperatures are going down. I know the idea
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though of him like what would you say to your child. I imagine his child being like seven
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or eight. He's just like well first off government can't legislate climate. Right. Not you know.
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Don't be afraid. That would be nice. Something like that. Reassuring. Yeah. I also love the
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idea that Ducey just jumped in there and called like engaging with the curriculum peer pressure.
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Exactly. When I was in sixth seventh grade or whatever they made us learn about like
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one month was monarch butterfly month. They had to learn all about goddamn monarch butterflies.
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Next month was pastas. They had to learn about different pasta shapes. Like I don't want
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to look. This is stupid. It wasn't peer pressure that those things. It was the curriculum.
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It was your school. You were told to buy authorities. Right. I learned about pasta.
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I know quite a bit about different shapes. Do you. I don't remember most. OK. But I did
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for a while. There was a time that one that's like spaghetti but spinny. I remember I knew
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about that as a name. Yeah. It's spinny spaghetti. Nope. Certainly not. Probably not. 13 year
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old me could have told you all about it. Yeah. That's a 35 year old me. Not so much spinny
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spaghetti. Is it called frozen pizza. Is that what it is now. I don't know. I don't know
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what Mark would actually say to his his own kid about the climate change but he has called
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Greta an autistic prophet. So sure. Yeah. He's not been very complimentary to her. I
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imagine he's he's not great with kids. That's my guess. But he doesn't think that you can
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legislate climate change. Well you can't legislate the climate. No you cannot. Which is fair.
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It's a technically accurate statement. Right. Otherwise I'd pass a bill that these damn
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plants need to start getting some peppers out of them. Wish I could do that. You still
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don't have any pass a bill right here. Peppers. He is writing it down. We the people of the
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United States plant watch. Things are not going great. Things are not going great. Short
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version of it. Sorry. Why is that. I made a mistake. I didn't realize that you had to
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plant each sapling or treat like seedling in its own pot planted some like two or three
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to a pot which made sense when they were tiny. But now they're big and I'm realizing I'm
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going to have to like try and disentangle their one. I don't think I'm able to do that
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and it's getting cold in Chicago so they can't be by the window. I could get a heat lamp.
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Look there's a lot of struggles. I didn't plan ahead. I don't know any of this stuff.
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If I could legislate I would do it. Yeah absolutely. I think that would be a good idea. Next planting
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will be better. Right. But I'm sorry I didn't mean to derail there. No actually you have
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nailed it on the head. Here's the problem with Greta. Right. And with really all the
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kids is pigtails. No it's not the pigtails. It's that they just they just don't want
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to. They just don't want to work. That's it. Say if you really want to protest do something
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challenging. Why would you skip school. That's an easy thing for any kid to do. Give up social
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media for a couple of days. Give up your iPhone. Give up your tablet. Let's see how long they
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can go without social media. That would be a protest. Hmm. Yeah. Greta's issue. She doesn't
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do anything challenging Dan. Uh huh. I guess there's different definitions of challenging.
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You know. Yeah. I just think like you know there's consequences that can come from skipping
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school or from encouraging everyone to skip school. Yeah. There's consequences that can
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come from that and taking that sort of a risk is a challenge in and of itself. So like yes
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the act of skipping school if you want to go smoke weed and play video games. Sure.
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I mean there is a risk to it. There's a little bit of a challenge. But you're not coming
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out and saying I'm skipping school to do this. You're trying to hide. Right right right right.
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So the openness about it is what and the meaning behind it I think adds a little more of a
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challenge. Absolutely. Would you say that it's more challenging than giving up social
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media for a little while. I don't know. People are really into social media. Yeah that's
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true. I don't know. Did she have to give up social media while she was taking a climate
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neutral boat across the fucking Atlantic Ocean. But also that was pretty challenging Dan.
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So we know from conspiracy theorists that boat ride didn't happen because her hands
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weren't sunburned when she got off the boat. Really. I don't. That's a conspiracy theory
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I've seen passed around. Is that right. No I didn't mean where her hands really sunburned.
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I don't care. Right. I don't care what that. I was telling you about this in one of our
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recent episodes. All the hand based conspiracies. Well yeah but I didn't know there were that
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many. OK. Oh yeah. Oh boy. What other kind of hand based conspiracy theories. Something
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about the size not being right. I don't know. I have no idea. I didn't look too deeply into
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it because it seemed crazy. Yeah it does sound crazy. But yeah I mean I don't know. I guess
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partially what I would say is like this is always going to be a way to attack people
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who make moves. And that is to say there's something else they should have done. Yeah
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because there will always be that. Like let's say you go on a hunger strike but you're still
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using your phone. Yeah yeah yeah. Well why did you give up social media. You just gave
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up food. It'll always be. Why don't you do something challenging. Right. Your body's
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just going to eat its own fat. You're fine. Social media not giving that up is tough.
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God I really feel like we are not that far away from that actually being an argument
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on Fox News. Well but I mean if you want to make a disingenuous argument against anybody
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who's doing something you'll always be able to find it. Right. It's just a matter of how
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craven do you want to be. How open like how transparently full of shit do you wish to
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be publicly. Yeah. And we see. All right. She's done this thing. Oh I didn't do the
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other thing. Yeah yeah yeah. I will set the standards by which the integrity or anything
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of your protest is judged by. And I deem you to be failing. Yeah. Great. It's it's just
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amazing. To have. Yeah. That that naked craven attitude of like this. This girl is about
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to speak to the U.N. This is this. He's given this interview like an hour before she goes
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up and he's telling her to do something challenging. Bananas. Yeah. Absolutely bananas. But after
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that after he insults Greta in every possible way he can think of we finally get to the
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the sweet man on the street interviews. Oh hell yeah. Oh yeah. And we they've did a subcontract
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Mark Dice. No no they did not. They did not allow him anywhere near there. But yeah they
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edited together three interviews and I think you'll see a little through line there. It'd
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be better to eat things in season and eat like a lot less meat. The change that we need
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isn't just like if we need to change their lifestyles and their own habits. We need to
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structure the economy. We went from using sports to separate forks and knives and they're
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all individually wrapped in their own plastic. It's really confusing. Bring back the sports.
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Now which one do you think they focused on. Spork. Yeah. Of course they did. But to be
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fair that's not like maybe she didn't articulate that all that well because you're saying like
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I don't know and like sort of stammering through it. That's not really that nonsensical of
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a position like whatever. I don't know. I guess I always resented my parents growing
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up because you know no really only reusable things would ever be acceptable and like they
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refused to buy me lunchables because there's too much trash in them and stuff like that.
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Yeah I always hated that because I wanted a fucking lunchable delicious. My friends had
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them little little sweets in there with little pizza segregated foods right here. Yeah. But
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as I've grown older I kind of realized that like they had a pretty good point. Oh that
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was like you know it's so much less trash than I don't know you get some box of like
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this giant Costco box of something. Yeah. And then Tupperware. Absolutely. It makes
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sense. All I hear when that last person's talking about sports is kind of kind of similar
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in the sense of like if we had we could cut down on a lot of trash that were exactly we're
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creating especially plastic trash. Yeah I don't know. I could see how they would make
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fun of her though. Yeah. Yeah. Well Fox fucking news. Yeah. Well I mean there was a little
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laugh there at the end which suggests the second person was was like the concept is
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correct. But you know I'm making a little joke out of that last little bite and the
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concept also sparks a fucking funny word. It is a funny word. The concept actually is
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100 percent a very very good idea. I mean but even intuitively I know you're about to
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explain why. Yeah. Even intuitively it does make some sense as long as you're not primed
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to mock it. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Now if we were like because the idea that they're expressing
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is if we took one if we have forks and we have spoons that's twice as much as if we
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had one utensil. It's a we're theoretically like the idea that they're expressing. You
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could even make a little serrated piece of it and get a knife in there too. You could
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make the you know uni utensil. Yeah I like that. Unitensil. Unitensil. Hold on. We're
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going to be rich. We're going to be rich. We'll make twice as many as we did in forks
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and spoons. 100 percent already exists. But go ahead. Yeah. There are there are about
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let's see in Science magazine published on February 13th 2015 a study found that there
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are between four and twelve million metric tons of plastic poured into the ocean everywhere.
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There are and it's insane how many there are garbage barges going spinning around the fucking
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ocean. But maybe even more important is that plastic itself producing it leaves a massively
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high carbon footprint. Totally. So everything about plastic is bad and cutting it down in
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half would be ridiculously good. Now granted that's not cutting down plastic use in half
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but it's cutting down a half of one sector. Well yeah yeah yeah. Obviously it's not completely
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correct but they are they are mocking it in a very stupid way. Yeah it's like that that
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wouldn't solve everything but it would do something. Absolutely. So that's another part
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of their insidious plan is like even the most simple possible solutions mock them mercilessly.
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Right. That way it's impossible to do anything especially if it's a large thing. Most importantly
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any reduction is huge especially at this point in time. But they don't want anything like
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that. Not only that there are also here's the other thing about plastic. There's a third
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way that it's fucking everybody up. There are a lot of there is a lot of pollution in
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the production of plastic. Right. That has to be there usually the plants are built near
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water almost all the time. And a study done by the Clean Water Association shows that
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in the Bay Area two thirds of litter on the streets was made up of single use utensils
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single use utensils and that kind of shit. So not only that but we'd be dealing with
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less litter on top of it. Every part of single use silverware or for you know forks and spoons
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is a is massively destructive. Right. To everything. Yeah. There's nothing good here. Counterpoint
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counterpoint. When I make turkey bacon. Yes. I've found that if I use a metal fork to flip
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the bacon it often will end up scratching my pan. Meanwhile plastic fork doesn't do
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that. Ergo I love disposable silverware. You're right. That is in case and prove it. That's
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inarguable. Hit me up Mark. I want some of that Fox News box. He could really use your
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help. Yeah. He could workshop some of this shit. And I'll tell you why. Because he's
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a little bit repetitive. I wouldn't imagine that. Yeah. It's it's it's just it's it's
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almost like medieval witchcraft again where they just believe if we can use the sparks
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we can save our planet and have a future which is that one is I don't know if that was the
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right one. Can you hold on. Play one more. I like to say that this is no more than medieval
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witchcraft. That one's from 2016. Sorry. Go ahead and play the next one. Or a United Nations
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treaty can save our parks can save the Statue of Liberty can save a species of rat in Australia.
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This is just the height of what I call medieval witchcraft. And what President Obama. Sorry
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that one was 2014. Go ahead and play one more. I think it's the next one. It's no better
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than in 14 50 when Aztec priests encourage people sacrifice to the to the to the gods
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to end the drought. There we go. That one's from 2011. I don't know if you've got this
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guy seems to have a real rhetorical flourish that he likes. Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying
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when I say everybody knows exactly what he's going to say when he shows up on your on your
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interview quote unquote. He's going to call climate change stuff barbaric wizardry. Uh
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huh. Cool. That's his plan. Do you know how many times he said it. I mean we've got like
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what five so far so far. Yeah. $1 trillion. Yep. That's $100 trillion. That's all right.
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That's just why I had to find a way to get that one fancy with the clips. I love $100
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trillion. I can hear him say that over and over and over. Let's hear one more time. Okay.
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$1 trillion. He just doesn't understand the concept. I mean this is I mean I guess this
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this is fairly similar to some of the Alexey kind of shit you know like calling things
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witchcraft and you know that putting that association of like giving kids vaccines is
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just the same as Aztec priests killing children and sacrifices and oh yeah yeah there's there's
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more similarity there than I'm comfortable with. Oh this is on Fox News in 2019. Yeah.
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There's a there's more to that interview on or quote you know fake interview on Fox and
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Friends but it just turns into you know Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren say we shouldn't
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fly but they fly all the time. They say we shouldn't eat meat but they eat meat all the
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time. It's one of those it's one of that same you know I have a I have a clip of him saying
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very similar things in 2011 as well. Right. Like it goes all the way back and back and
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back. Well what you failed to take into account is these are good arguments. Makes sense you
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would say them over and over and over again. No one has rebut the witchcraft. That's true.
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So that's true. Keep doing it until someone steps up. I don't think I don't think anybody
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could ever do that. No. So later on in the day after being a complete idiot before Greta's
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speech. Sure. On Fox and Friends. He goes on a Varney show on Fox Business. You're not
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talking about Janet Varney. Not Janet Varney. Definitely not Jim Varney. OK. He's dead.
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Well no we established he faked his death. That's true. And this is after Greta's speech.
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And I don't know who this guy is. OK. I've never watched Fox Business before. I think
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that the solutions. I know this guy just by his voice. I've seen clips of this guy. OK.
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I don't think I like him. No. And I quote unquote the solutions to climate change that
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are being offered. Are they still popular in Europe. Because Europe is really suffering
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from these so-called solutions. They're suffering. Seniors are suffering and UK winter deaths
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have increased. If this guy wants to know what the Europe's people are thinking why
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didn't he call Lord Moncton. I know right. I'm seeing a real disinterest in Lord Moncton
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even on Fox News which troubles me a little bit. I think I think Moncton's getting kicked
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to the wayside. Yeah probably. Probably because he's not actually a lord. Wow. They only like
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lords on Fox News these days. That is a part of it. And Mark Moreno is the lord of climate
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denial as we know. Stateside. Yeah. So people in. People are dying. Because of cold. Right.
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People people always talk. This reminds me of the last episode where he said basically
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the same thing. People talk about heat deaths but you know why doesn't anybody talk about
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the winter deaths. Huh. Like we talked about some of that with Alex's stuff too and like
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those cases that he would bring up specifically you look into them but they're like there's
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so much more going on here. This has to do with financial stuff. This doesn't have to
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do with the climate change measures or anything. This is all just about poverty. Oh yeah. And
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that is borne out by the Office of National Statistics which is the most British name
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I can think of for a government agency. ONS. Yeah we've got these are our national statistics
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that's what we do. In America we call it the office of check this out because we're cool
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we're poochy. That's what I'm trying to say. That's going to be a tough acronym. That's
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going to come back. But actually what I found out was that winter deaths have increased.
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I was really I was all geared up for him to be like this is completely made up. This is
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all bullshit. I don't even need to worry about this. But the number of excess winter deaths
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that's what they measure. What do you mean by excess. That's what we're talking about
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there. The comparing the excess number of deaths in winter to the other three month
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period. OK. So if there's an average number between what is it April and July and July
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and September October it's through there. There's an average of let's say 100. Right.
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Then there's one hundred and fifteen in winter that it's excess deaths of 15. All right.
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OK. Yeah. So this this otherwise that sounded very judgmental right. The ones we don't need
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yet. So you're dropping off the way through. Otherwise I don't like the way the O.N.S. is
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framing this. This sounds shitty. These deaths are excessive. Go ahead. Get out of here.
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Come on. Get out of here with these deaths on us already. But yeah in 2017 to 2018 it
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was the highest number of excess winter deaths they've recorded since the 70s. And that is
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mainly due to increased influenza. And of course poverty all the way around. Nothing
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to do with climate change. And it's an even further disingenuous argument because while
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yes you can say it's the highest recorded number since the 70s it is also one half the
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number since the 50s. So it's it's like a absolute bullshit. The trend overall has dipped
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down in the 50s over and over and over again. And a lot of that probably has to do I know
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I looked into this a while back and I'm not sure if it extended to deaths but like complications
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and illnesses and a lot of stuff along those lines like you see a drop in them when measures
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are passed that make it so like the electric company can't turn off electricity. Absolutely.
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No. Even if you don't pay your bill they can't turn it off during. They have to wait until
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in April. Right. Yeah right. Measures like that that are protective have cut off a lot
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of which I think all societies need that needs to be across the board everywhere. Seems like
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it would be obvious that it needs to be across the board. Yeah. Those sorts of things are
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very protective about that. And then when you consider like resources for people who
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are experiencing homelessness fast response to people who are like it. I remember when
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there was a blizzard the last time here in Chicago there was a lot of focus put on like
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if you see someone outside report them so we can make sure that they don't stay outside.
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Right. A friendly message from your local neighborhood ICE office. No that wasn't ICE.
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Just kidding. I could see how that would be abused now. But yeah those sorts of things
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will put that number down to as low as it can possibly go. Yeah. Even with severely
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inclement weather or winter temperatures. So I feel like those are better solutions
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to look at than whatever Mark is talking about. You got it. He is absolutely. This is it's
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it's amazing how I have never seen him give any statistic straightforward. I've never
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I've never seen it. Not once. Even if it's one that's not even damaging or like it's
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almost unrelated. What about still lies about excess number of witches witches. You get
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that from the O.N.A. They die in summer though. There's the excess number of witches in the
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rainy season. Yeah. When it's dry out. Yeah. Yeah. So it is it is kind of amazing to me
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because even this is just a cherry picked statistic like he had to say from the 70s
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he couldn't even he couldn't possibly be like well it's twice as many as from 2014 or whatever
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he has to like create this cherry picked stat that is misleading. Yeah it's just stupid
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and he didn't have to do that. But that's how a lot of people use statistics. That's
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why you have to be like really careful with those things. You have to whenever you hear
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people using statistics you should be wise to look into context and look at larger trends
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that they might be ignoring. Like that's something that's just so consistent across all this
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sort of media. I bet some people on the left are guilty of that too. Oh yeah. I'm positive.
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I don't know. I don't spend enough time focusing on those folk but I'm sure that it's it's
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used on both sides of persuasive argument. Oh for sure. People just need to be conscious
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of that. People it's such an easy game to play. You sound like so like irrefutable whenever
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you pull out things like that. Yeah. Those sorts of incomplete stats. It's bad. Absolutely.
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This is why I still want to know what the O.P.S. of the slugger in major league is.
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Sure. It's unknown. They gave us stats at the end he had like thirty eight home runs
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a few doubles but they didn't give me what his on base percentage was. Yeah. And that's
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what I was really looking for. You know what pisses me off was that no saber metrics type
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of organization no fantasy football league you're going to play ever tells you what a
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team's pumble rating is which is punts divided by fumbles. It's a very crucial statistic
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to understanding. I like it. Sure. Yeah. It tells the whole story punts divided by fumbles
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that Mark get on it. What are you talking to Zuckerberg Moreno. Oh Moreno. OK. I got
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you. I didn't know he had control over that too. You should make himself useful. Just
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like Greta shouldn't be going out of school. Yeah. You shouldn't be doing this bullshit.
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You should be getting on pumbles. I like it. I like it. Oh man. But do you know what the
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biggest the biggest problem that people have the biggest misconception that people have
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is of course they can't believe it's not about it. Yeah. That's usually the start. I'm trying
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I know you're doing great. Thanks. You're doing great. You're interrupting like I do
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you're doing wonderful. I wasn't proud of that last joke. Well hey welcome to the fucking
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club. I guess you just deal with that. I'm just trying. You've called me out on it a
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few times and it's been it's been lovely. Fair enough. Yeah. I was going to let that
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one slide. But what are you going to do. What are you going to do. Misconceptions. There
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are an excess number of jokes that die on this show every attempt. Yeah. So do you know
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what people are not paying attention to. What's that. How great we are and how we don't need
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to do anything else. We're doing better in the United States than these European signers
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who are going to be at the U.N. summit in New York shaming President Trump. We're doing
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better. We're leading the world in CO2 emission reduction. Nobody ever points that out. Nobody
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ever points that out. Dan I feel like I've heard that pointed out. It's been pointed
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out a lot. It has been pointed out a lot. Specifically by Scott Pruitt noted definitely
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not corrupt monster Scott Pruitt in 2017. He said quote We are leading the nation excuse
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me the world with respect to our CO2 footprints in reductions. This is another bullshit cherry
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cherry picked stat because what he did and what they are doing is they are judging us
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differently from other countries. They are talking about the way that China and India
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both emit more carbon than we do. Right. Overall right. Because they are fucking huge. Then
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why then. Wait is that a conspiracy. Is that is there actually. I was being glib. The Mercator
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prediction is actually right. Yeah. India only has three people living in it. And they
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were the ones who got the Fed passed. Right. So yes they are absolutely huge carbon emitters.
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But when you go by per capita you find out that the U.S. produces 16 and a half metric
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tons per capita compared to China's seven and a half and India's one point seven. So
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it is kind of a an accurate fact that America has reduced emissions more. But in terms of
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what we're doing it is absolutely nothing like we went from in terms of reducing emissions
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the sixteen point five metric tons was in 2014 and it had gone down by a little average
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of like one and a half to two percent per year around that. But also does it doesn't
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not matter. Yes. Like I mean it doesn't. Exactly. Doesn't that argument even as a whole I understand
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the point like the facts you're trying to bring up. Right. That's all good and well
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and very worthwhile. But like just saying that other people aren't doing good doesn't
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mean anything. Exactly. Yes. Isn't that. I mean it's just a faulty construction of like
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a deflection. Yeah. Like you say we bad no bad bad over there. You bad. Yeah. No. Doesn't
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that doesn't help anything. He's disingenuously trying to attack every possible counter argument
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in advance. Well but also doesn't that doesn't his sort of argument here actually strengthen
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the counter argument that like other people are doing worse. Yes that means we need to
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be even more serious about this. Yeah it does. You would think that that it kind of falls
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apart upon any kind of inspection when you're not talking to Varney over here an idiot.
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Yeah. And the deuce. Yeah. Also he is wrong as of this year. Shit. In 2018 almost directly
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due to Trump's bullshit the EPA is complete abdication of any moral responsibility and
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so forth. Emissions rather than dropping rose by the largest amount since 96. It was. Oh
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yeah. Or the second largest amount since 96. They rose by three point four percent effectively
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wiping out most of the gains that we had made. So we are not leading the world in emissions
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decreasing anymore. On the day that he said it is not happening. Ironic in some ways.
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Yeah. Timing timing based irony right. If he had gone on the show last year he would
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have been fine. He would have been technically correct. Now here's here's a weird one. I
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like this one quite a bit. This is this is very funny to me. Someone proposes a U.N.
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climate treaty or the solution to global warming it's virtually it's almost always central
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planning massive government regulation. Europeans aren't opposed to that. So they don't even
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bother to challenge the science or look at the reason why it's being forced on them in
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the United States. We say wait a minute what. I'm trying to track that. I couldn't look
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it up there. It needs a citation. Yeah. I tried. Go. In America we're like wait what.
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Europeans are more into central planning and regulation. Therefore they don't question
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science. Right. I don't see the relation. No it doesn't seem like they're related. No
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I think you might have a problem with that construction. Seems seems like the conclusion
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doesn't follow. I would guess that if he's trying to say that then you could use that
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argument for like everything. You don't even have to like because you know take science
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out of the conclusion just like Europeans are more into central planning and regulation.
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Therefore they make more balloons. Right. Right. You got it. Yeah. That's that's an
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omni purpose. It's it's constructed to me the same way that that 90s def comedy jam
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is you know that like Europeans be like this. Sure. But the United States we're like this.
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Also has he not heard of Lord Monk leading climate denial guy. Lord Monk. Oh yeah. Lord
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Monk didn't fucking parachuted into a U.N. thing just to cause a big big publicity stunt.
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Well he did. Well he did that once before when he was DB Cooper. Sure. That was that
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was Rudolph Hess. All the famous parachuters. But he doesn't have any military service.
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Under his belt. So he's not a paratrooper unfortunately. But Dan let me ask you a question.
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Right. How is it that we lead the world in reducing CO2 emissions. Fictitiously. I heard
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Mark say it. So. Oh he's got a specific. OK. I don't know. I'm excited to learn. Through
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technology and innovation and the market and it's for chiefly through fracking. That's
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how we lead. Yep. Chiefly through fracking. Seems counterintuitive doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm interested to see how he threads this needle. He doesn't. Oh said that and then
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never mentioned goes unchallenged. Never mentions again. Barney is like yeah of course technology
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is great and fracking technology sure. Yeah. Possibly that's a good argument. One hundred
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percent. When your next thing is fracking is being like leading. That's where we get
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into trouble. It seems like you need again need a citation. Yeah. Yeah. As far as citations
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go though I have a paper. I am a leader in the world of medicine because I have drawn
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the most blood from people. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah I like it. In a paper by Robert
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Howarth from Cornell University he does not believe that fracking improves our environment.
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He will. He says quote the commercialization of shale gas and oil in the 21st century has
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dramatically increased global methane emissions. This is fracking. He continues on shale gas
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production in North America over the past decade may have contributed more than half
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of all the increased methane emissions from fossil fuels globally and approximately one
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third of the total increased emissions from all sources globally over the past decade.
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Yeah that's pretty universally what I've heard and seen from anything I've looked into. Yeah
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fracking. I've not heard anybody like say that fracking is great. Nope. No one. Absolutely
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no one. Wow. Except for Mark Moreno Dan. I guess there are certain people who are on
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like payrolls and shit you know people who have the best like Mark Moreno Dan. Oh boy.
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I've covered previously Climate Depot all of that shit but that is absolutely and utterly
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disqualifying. Right. To pretend to even like even if he mistakenly said it. We are leading
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the world in protecting the climate and I know that because of all the trash we burn.
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You got it. We have tire fires. All right. That is how we are protecting the ozone layer
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and the EU wouldn't even challenge a tire fire. We're all here we're all like wait what
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the EU is into central planning and regulations therefore they just go along with not burning
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tires and a tire doesn't even have a center. So there we go. Case closed. They don't use
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them. No. Yeah that does seem troubling to me. No fracking does not help. And the it
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not even not help. It is utterly utterly destructive. And that's just the emissions part. Talk
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about pollution the fucking destruction of the earth like you name it. Fracking is one
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of the single worst things that human beings have ever even fucking invented. The same
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is true of like the coal sands stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Any anybody who presents that as being
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like a good alternative kind of thing is like well no no no. All information is shown that
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that's worse. Yep. Yep. The processing of it to make it usable is heavily polluting.
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If there was even and even if there was some sort of net like net offset like even then
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if it was just like this tiniest little bit of yeah it destroys the earth but it's one
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percent better when you factor in all that shit it's like no it is absolutely not worth
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it. And there's nothing that anybody has ever shown to be an improvement. But but that's
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that's an interesting thing is that like if it were people would be for it probably. Yeah.
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Like if these alternatives like anybody who's into climate change activism or whatever if
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one of these solutions actually did like let's say cut down 15 percent. Yeah. Or something
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of emissions. And it profited oil companies they would still be for it. Yep. They would
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not be paying Mark Moreno a shit ton of money to lie about it on TV. Yeah. They wouldn't
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need to. But again Dan one of our biggest issues is the children. Right. This is I mean
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yes obviously they are you know mercilessly mocking and being mean to a 16 year old woman
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sport. But what it really is about is how much they care about protecting the children.
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Sure it is always about the children. God bless the child difference. These kids are
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testifying before Congress saying they have no future unless we can essentially kill the
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market economy in the United States and impose a central plan on us. That's what they're
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testifying. That really got to me. The children that they are very young kids who are making
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these grandiose statements. Yes. Words put into their mouths by you know adults. Yes.
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To have a 67 percent chance of staying below one point five degrees of global temperature
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rise the best odds given by the IPCC. The world had four hundred and twenty gigatons
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of CO2 left to emit back on January 1st 2018. Today that figure is already down to less
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than three hundred and fifty gigatons. There will not be any solutions or plans presented
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in line with these figures here today because these numbers are too uncomfortable and you
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are still not mature enough to tell it like it is. I could see how an adult wouldn't like
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to hear. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yes. That's I put those two juxtaposed. Yeah. For I think
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a very obvious reason. Right. I think so. Yeah. But that really got to Varney. Yeah.
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Yeah it got to him. Yeah he doesn't like it. Sure. He doesn't like the idea that these
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children are basically pointing out that you're a bunch of fucking children. Sure. I think
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it would be probably a good time to point out that there are not just it's not just
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Greta. No absolutely not. There are a lot of other youth activists that maybe aren't
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getting as much attention as her. Right. That also deserve a good bit of like a shout out
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a tip of the cap. No absolutely. Every one of these climate marches and every one of
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them in across the world wasn't organized personally by Greta. No. Every single one
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of those. She's the one who all this like attention and vitriol and praise is being
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directed at whereas there are there are many more people who are coming out and you know
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being being very active in this and not just climate change you know across the board in
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terms of social causes. There are a lot more people who are of that generation that like
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probably deserve a higher profile. And shout out to them. Yeah. I didn't prepare for this
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episode and I can't remember anybody off the top of my head because everybody's talking
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about Greta. Yeah. Well let me let me read you from the very mental health manual that
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I gave you some tips from earlier. Sure. And I think that will be a little illuminating
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as to why it is that they're talking the way that they are and how they're. You mean the
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children or. No no Varney and Moreno. So quote in some cases information that increases
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perceptions of the reality of climate change may feel so frightening that it leads to denial
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and thus a reduction in concern and support for action. This is a study by McDonald at
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Allen 2015. In addition communicating scientific information is not easy. This complexity itself
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may be a problem. One study showed that people who received more complex information on
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environmental problems felt more helpless and more inclined to leave the problem to
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the government. And those who felt ignorant about the topic were more likely to want to
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avoid hearing about more negative information. OK. Now that is exactly why they are talking
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the way that they are about all of this shit. They are making sure that people are ignorant.
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Exactly. Exactly. Because the more and also they're trying to push denial because the
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more helpless and more inclined the more helpless you feel the more real the how real you feel
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about climate the more likely you are to be in favor of regulation and government and
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government involvement. Yes. And they're stated life's goal is no government. Yeah exactly.
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And business. And then of course they keep their audience ignorant about the topic. So
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they don't want to hear any more negative information about it. Right. They want to
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hear. They want to hear America is leading the world in CO2 reduction and America is
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doing all this good. Here's my warm carbon blanket. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And they
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know it. And Mark Moreno knows it. And everybody who books him on these shows knows that's
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what he is going to do for you. He is a fucking slimy hack asshole. I hate him so much. Let's
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hope that this episode gets him to tweet. Yeah. I was just thinking like I almost hate
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him as much as free. Yeah. You got to mix it up with this guy. I just. Oh God. But still
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further. This like how many times has he been brazen in his complete assholtery on this
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episode. Yeah a few a few. Yeah. Yeah. Very obvious. Very miserable in his fucking nonstop
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like pitter patter of. And I I cut the clip short. So they're not as long as the ones
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that you normally cut. Mainly because he speaks in these 40 40 second chunks like I mean it's
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a structural difference like this is an interview or he's on a conversation on Fox and Friends
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right. Whereas Alex is like doing long form rambling. It's definitely like just a function
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of the source material. These are obviously going to be shorter. Right. Blurbs. I mean
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I could I could have put the whole 30 second clip but he's just such a unlike Alex where
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it's like he's got those rolling crescendos and then he gives you a break and then rolling
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crescendo and does this whole like musical thing. Yeah. Moreno is just rapid fire monotone
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and just like I'm before you even have a thought I'm on to the next thought because I think
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probably part of that is he wants you to think he sounds super credible through the quick
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monitor. It's like a Ben Shapiro is his strategy is like fast to make it sound like I know
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all these things. Yeah. And monotone sort of flat delivery making you think that I'm
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unemotionally delivering this information to you. It's just a different presentation
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style. Not nearly as fun as a lunatic. No it is not. But it is it is not a lot dumber.
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But this one is this one's brutal. It said they had a die in for the kids. Greta Thunberg
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the Swedish girl went to the White House. I was at the event where she spoke. They had
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kids lying down at the White House gates for 11 minutes to symbolize 11 years until the
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planet's dead unless government saves it and tries to legislate storms and weather. It's
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like this is the guy who six hours earlier in the day said she needs to do something
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fucking challenging. I don't know if a die in is challenging years later. This is fine
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fine. This is coming from someone who accompanied his parents to a die in protest the Iraq war
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when I was a younger guy. Fair. But any kind of like you know argument that that's going
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to traumatize and scare these kids. I'm here to say the opposite. Like I did that when
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I was younger vis a vis the Iraq war. Maybe I was like 19 or 20 at the time though. So
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it's a little bit older but not that much older. And I didn't have any kind of feeling
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of it of like this is you know this is so terror inducing in my own life that I can't
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function. It was like this is an expression of how severe this reality is that we are
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against. So I don't know. I don't I don't I don't find this to be compelling. No this
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is an old man assuming the children don't have cognitive abilities. You got it. Yeah
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yep. Saying the same shit and that children use. Yeah whatever you know like because it's
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it's different if Greta was five. Right right right. Well we've already had a five year
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old in this show saying correct things. So there you go. I don't know. I will I will
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say that we do not and neither does anybody else. And if anybody has Mark Moreno anywhere
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near them it is completely invalidate invalidating. And this one this is from something that Greta
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said which I find incredibly hopeful and we'll see how it goes on the other side. You say
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you hear us and that you understand the urgency. But no matter how sad and angry I am I do
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not want to believe that because if you really understood the situation and still kept on
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failing to act then you would be evil. And that I refuse to believe. Sure she refuses
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to believe that they are evil but I will tell you something. Mark Moreno is fucking evil.
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She wasn't talking to Mark Moreno though to be fair. I know but I'm making it very clear
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that this is the one thing I disagree with her on. But again she's not talking about
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or to him. I know I'm still talking in this regard as well at the U.N. I am also disagreeing
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with her there. Oh I guess that's interesting. I'm not 100 percent sure where I land on that
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but I respect your opinion. I'm on the fence a little bit. Yeah. In terms of calling those
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people all the world leaders evil. I'm not on the fence in terms of your assessment of
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Moreno. Well of course not. Or Lord Monckton or whatever. I don't know. I feel like there's
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so many other factors to consider for a lot of world leaders that I don't know where their
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heads are. Well if they I will tell you that their heads are not in the most recent IPCC
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report. I went through that and read it because it was like it's like a big deal and it's
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very long and most people didn't actually read it right. All of the all of the articles
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and stuff I read about it from you know wherever the Guardian or anything along those lines
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they were all kind of in this middle ground. And this is something that I find to be very
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frustrating. You know that I have said to you many times in the past where I suspect
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that scientists have always been climate scientists especially have always been downplaying the
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actual severity of the situation for everyone listening. You said it to me so many so many
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times so many times so many times off air socially. Yep. Incessantly so might say it's
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yeah it's a lot. I thought that was a suspicion. I thought that that was something that I thought
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I thought however from a study by Bice et al from 2013 quote over the past two decades
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two decades skeptics of the reality and significance of anthropogenic climate change have frequently
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accused climate scientists of alarmism of over interpreting or overreacting to evidence
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that human impacts exist. However the available evidence suggests that scientists have in
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fact been conservative in their project in their projections of the impacts of climate
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change. We suggest therefore that scientists are biased towards not towards alarmism but
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rather the reverse toward cautious estimates. There is even a term they have for it. They
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call it erring on the side of least drama. Right. But I still don't think this proves
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your conjecture that they're intentionally underplaying things. Oh no no I mean downplaying
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it. Right right right. But I still don't. They're not manipulating the data in any stretch.
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But I honestly don't think that that still proves the stuff that you always tell me.
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Like what? That they're like low balling. Like conservative estimates are. I'm not saying
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that they're low balling. Right right. But the. Underplaying the severity. Yes. Right.
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I don't I don't think that I still don't think that matches with your suspicions. Right.
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Well let's. Conservative estimates versus extreme estimates. I mean I understand. OK.
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What I'm what I'm more talking about is the way that they present it. Right. Not the data
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or anything like that. Because here is the here is some of the data in the IPCC. This
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report. And this is all based on data that goes up to 2015. It does not include 2016
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to present day because we can't you know obviously you can't put together all that shit. In the
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reports our best case scenario from the Paris agreement is to keep warming to one point
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five degrees Celsius. And the report it says no matter what. If we even if we reach one
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point five degrees Celsius as a as our ceiling. See warm water coral is gone. It's just gone.
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There's nothing we can do unless we go well below one point five degrees. That is not
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something that was in any of the reports that I read any of the articles I read none of
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them said no matter what we're losing coral. To be fair when's the last time you engaged
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with coral. Fair enough. You ever go to a reef. No I've never gone to a reef. You're
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actually I have. Have you. Yeah I mean I looked pretty amazing. Yeah right. Yeah. Beautiful
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big ecosystems. Yeah exactly right. All of this stuff. Now what it doesn't include is
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like I said the past three or four years. And one of the issues with that is they they
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have a couple of different projections going on in the reports. They have the ones where
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we reduce and stay below one point five degrees. Right. Very very unlikely. They have the ones
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where we don't do anything and they just measure what it would be like if we stayed at the
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same rate. What they don't have is what it would be like if we continued fucking up more.
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They didn't they couldn't imagine a scenario where it was like not only did we not just
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stay the same we double increased our carbon emissions. Right. Like Alex advocates. Exactly.
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That is what is currently going on. This this idea that idea of like 11 years we have 11
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years from now to adjust our actions and all of that stuff in certain ways. That is not
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accurate anymore. We don't have 11 years. Well because it's from the data that ends
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in 2015. Yeah. So whatever we'd be talking about we should have been talking about in
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2015. You got it. Whereas there's been three years four years since then and it changes
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not just that but that number is not as as I've said so many times it is a geometric
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progression. Right. Two years of active damage doesn't take us from 11 years left to nine
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years left. I can't tell you you know and even then the projections aren't like this
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is exactly accurate. Right. It's like the 538 election projections you know where it's
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like we give Democrats a 75 percent chance to take back the house and Republicans a 25
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percent chance to keep it. Yeah. That kind of thing. The same thing is true with these
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climate reports. They can say we have a what you know they're what they're telling us is
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there's a 60 percent chance that we have 11 years to do all of this shit. Yeah. They don't
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say there's a 40 percent chance that we're already past you know it's not 40 percent
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but there is a significant chance that we're already past the mark and that there's nothing
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that can be done to keep us below one to keep us at one point five and below two. So it's
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it's really kind of a frustrating thing. That's this is a fucking seriously dangerous and
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scary report. And it is amazing to me that it went by in like one day. There was this
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news cycle of this report that was like one day. Yeah it is amazing to me. One of the
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one of the things that I love in the report about governments and how they're going to
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act on climate change this. So there is no single climate governance panacea for the
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ocean coasts and cryosphere empirical evidence on which governments arrangements arrangements
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work well in which context is still limited. But good governance scare quotes norms indicate
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the importance of inclusivity fairness deliberation reflexivity responsiveness social learning
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the co-production of knowledge and respect for ethnic and cultural diversity. And the
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reason I like that in there is because that means they have some eco-fascists that they
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were talking to who are like what if instead we had one guy do everything. And they were
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like no no no we got to make sure that the report doesn't because there are some people
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who would read that IPCC report and go like democracy has failed us. That kind of thing.
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Sure. So they specifically went out of their way to be like we don't want anybody. Yeah
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I know you might think it's a good idea and you're like yeah because these sorts of things
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could be very dangerously used under the wrong hands. Yeah absolutely. Absolutely. And here's
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here's another great piece of news. Today just today Dan September or October 3rd I
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don't even know what day you got a report was released from The Guardian. Trump's attacks
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on science are at a crisis point basically. He denies climate science. He's banned the
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EPA from presenting research on climate sciences. He's barred the National Park Service from
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putting climate change in any of their proposals. And he's actively published a misleading environmental
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review to allow mining in to allow a mine in Alaska. They have punished anybody who
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speaks out or points out how much bullshit science that they're trying to push. But the
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thing that's weird to me or not weird but it's the Department of Agriculture actually
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moved economists across the country when they published analysis of how fucked farmers were
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under Trump's proposals. The Interior Department reassigned a climate scientist to an accounting
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role after he just pointed out that climate change will be bad. And just for the win they
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suppressed a report showing that toxic substances in several states water supplies will absolutely
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fuck you up at far far lower levels than what are currently allowed. They actively
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Yeah a little bit is a fuck you up. Yeah exactly. Basically. And this kind of shit has been
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done by all of the by you know everybody since GW or HW all of this shit is absolutely devastating
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and guys like Mark Moreno fucking make everything so much worse. They facilitate all this and
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you never ever need to listen to this hack. If his name comes up just fucking go away.
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That's really your thesis here is that you do not need to listen to this guy ever ever
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again. If we're going to do a reverse knowledge fight we talk about the same guy over and
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over and over again. So if I'm going to do it I'm going to talk about a guy we never
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speak of again. OK. And I think Mark can explain why. I don't understand how people could fall
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for such base cheap rhetoric and nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. You know you hear that that exact
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phenomenon from all these these people so often is like them expressing exactly like
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who would believe this bullshit. Yeah. That was also from 2014 by the way. Yeah. Well
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that's a bummer. What are your thoughts on that. I don't know. I mean. Mark Moreno sucks.
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Yeah. I don't know what I don't know what other thoughts to have. I don't know this
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subject matter nearly as well as you do. You know you're very this is something you're
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singularly focused on in the same way that I am like I don't know anti communist propaganda.
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Yeah. So it's always it's a little overwhelming you know to have a lot of you're fucking telling
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me. It's it. I don't know. It's tough to sit on the side of the table. I don't know. I'm
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not geared to respond to things. Yeah I guess it's a challenge but it's I mean you know
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I think you did a good job. Thanks you as well. It's interesting. You know I went into
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this thinking Mark Moreno sucked and now I come out thinking similar things. Yeah. And
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now I know that you really admire Greta. I really admire Greta. I think she is a fucking
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hero. Cool. Absolutely. Dan. Yes. I know this was a little bit of a depressing ending. It's
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a little bit. It's a little bit of a bummer. And I don't want to leave people with like
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a sense of gloom you know. Yeah. Which I mean I think you might have. Yes I did. Yeah. No
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it's not that it's not that it's gloom. I mean there's a little bit of gloom to it because
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like in the way that like people like Mark Moreno attack Greta you know they're like
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they're going to create anxiety and fear in people. The reason that that isn't that doesn't
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ring true to me is because there are so many solutions. I worry that the way you frame
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this does lead to anxiety and fear. Right. Because of the contentions that the climate
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scientists and the IPCC report they're underplaying the reality of this. They're underplaying
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the severity of this. It does lead to a possibility that the conclusion is there is nothing that
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can be done. Oh yeah. And then we reach nihilism. I respect that. We reach sort of a fatalistic
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we're fucked no matter what we do kind of state. And I know that that's not your message
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and I know that that's not what you believe that we shouldn't do anything because we're
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already fucked. But it would be easy to come away from if we're not super clear it would
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be easy to get that impression. I never want to give that message. Right. Because even
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if that's true I don't like it's not. But even if that perception were true it's an
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irresponsible thing to to to preach to people. Right. Well here is here is why I did that
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and it's mainly because of the mental health summary that was there which stated that the
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more people know about it the more they understand what it is the more likely they are to accept
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that government does need to make the action. I understand that. You know what I'm saying.
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But I think all these climate protests and all this shit we don't just need to protest
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we need to get these people fucking gone. Right. Get them out of office and get new
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people in who are responsive and understand the situation. I think that there's something
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to be said for like enlightening people about realities and you know pollution and its effects
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and the anthropomorphic. Wrong word. Anthropogenic. That's right. Hello I'm climate change. I'm
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coming for your children. Yeah. The human caused aspects of this and the things that
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you can do and the things that we should do. I think that that awareness and people being
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more read up on those aspects lead people to what that mental health report is talking
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about. That is realizing that the government needs to do more. Speculating that there's
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nothing that we can do and that like the all everything is way underselling it and that
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I think has right. I don't think that that is what leads people to recognizing that the
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government needs to do more and regulation is probably necessary. That could probably
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lead to people having a crippling inability to act. And I'm not I'm not saying that you're
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doing that. I'm just saying part of that while I do agree that it is important to stress
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to folks that this is not business as usual. There is a crisis going on. I think viewing
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it in a no matter what happens we're fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Since I think it I think it's
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detrimental and it doesn't lead to the effects that that mental health report would. And
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again I'm not saying that that's what you're doing. Yeah. I just want to I want to fight
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back against any kind of gloom that folk might have and that I might even be feeling a tiny
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towards the end. Yeah. Yeah. Well I I suppose I suppose the main thing that I I suppose
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the main thing that I want is for people to realize that this is not a fucking this is
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not a future thing. This is serious right now. Right. And that's that's why I get so
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angry when I read an article in whatever where it's like the IPCC shows very bad reports
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for the climate. It's like no this is now this is we got to fucking do this shit. We
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got it. We got to do something right. And one of the biggest things is we've been doing
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this whole like well we need to get people to direct action and you know if we don't
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do this by 12 years from now it's gonna be really troublesome. If we don't do this you
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know and then 10 years ago is where the effects of this are gonna be in 2050. That's pretty
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soon. That's gonna be in your lifetime. I mean I can't help but think we need to be
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fucking chicken little thing. We need to be screaming to people. The sky is falling. I
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get it. Do shit. I get you. And I think there's a balancing act to it which is one of the
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most difficult things about it because there is the immediacy especially when you consider
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the experience of like the people in India whose crops are being destroyed or the people
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in places that are experiencing drought or the people of the sea ice. You know like it
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is an immediate thing for a lot of people and we are in a slightly privileged position
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that we can look at it abstractly and so cutting through that to make it an immediate issue
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is important. At the same time finding a way to do that without the fatalistic doom part
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I think is the part that's essential and I think that that's what is so threatening about
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people like Greta and these other younger climate activists is I think that they're
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effectively able to do that. They're effectively able to walk that balance of this is severely
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important right now and this is what we need to do right now without falling into traps
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of hopelessness and gloom. I suppose I mean yeah I have always reacted to... Chicken
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little thing is not necessary to make something immediate. Right right. I mean I suppose my
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my issue also was the people who were clapping when Greta spoke. You know that always that
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gets to me man. Sure. Because what are you clapping for? They might not understand what
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she's saying or they might think that they're cool. You know like there's there's a hundred
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reasons why and it wasn't like the whole audience clap. No I know. You could tell it was like
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it was very specific. It was it was it was a sporadic applause or maybe a lot of that
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applause was people who were with her in her group. You know that you don't know who was
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clapping. Sure sure. You're right. You can read into it a lot of different things. You're
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right. Worst case scenario it's delusional people who don't understand what she's saying.
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Right. Best case scenario it's her cheering section who was along for the speech. You
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know there's there's a lot of I don't know. Yeah. There's a lot of assumptions that could
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be made. You're you're absolutely right on that. I just I just it's it's just so. And
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you're you're absolutely right that she can thread the needle in a way that again there's
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a reason she's absolutely a hero of mine. Right and that's what makes her so threatening.
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Right. Because if it was me. Yeah. You wouldn't be an effective messenger for this. Probably
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not. No. Probably not. Well I mean on a grander stage. I would have gotten to tell them and
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Connor Friedersdorf that they're big dumb dumbs though. And that would have been very
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satisfying. That is true. Emotionally speaking there's a lot to be said. There's no doom
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and gloom when you get to tell the United Nations that they are threatening to cut the
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U.S. kickoff or something. Yeah. Yeah. That would be fun. Sure. So I mean I guess I think
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that you know you just have to you have to treat it like like like you're saying an immediate
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yeah right now kind of situation. We also have to look at actionable items. You have
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to look at productive solutions as opposed to succumbing to ideas that there's nothing
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you could do and are fucked. I agree with you. It's such a balance and it's very difficult
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and it's one of the things that I'm not actually very good at. I can see that that is important
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that balance. And if you want a path forward that's the balance you have to have. But I
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do not know what the answer is. Well one thing I suggest to everybody just to spite Mark
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Moreno is never use single use utensils ever. Take your turkey bacon. Take your. Honestly
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take a fork with you. I'm not joking. Sure. That would go a long way. That would go a
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long fucking way because single use utensils are one of the hugest and largest contributing
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factors to all of the plastic pollution that's going on. And all you have to do right now
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is never use that fucking. Are you trying to put those good Americans at the spork factory
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out of a job. Yeah. Or bring the sparks in just to spite that piece of shit Mark Moreno.
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There you go. That's what I would recommend. That's an OK emotion. Spite is OK. Spite
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is OK. I get spite. Doom and fatalist. There's nothing you can do. That's negative. Spite
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is OK. It's Mark Moreno at least. Yes. Perfectly healthy. Bring your own utensil. I mean it.
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So I think we have a website Dan. We do. We do. And we're on Twitter. Yeah. Knowledge
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underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. Also we are on Facebook. That's right. You
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can also find us on iTunes and various other places where you can. I suppose that makes
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me what am I. I'm not. I'm not DZX. Oh I'll tell you who I am. I'm fucking Marco shark
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rampant. That's who I am. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well
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Alex I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.
