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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledge fight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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You guys saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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need, need money

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us

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Hello Alex, I'm a freshman caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work

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Knowledgefight, knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are Dan

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Jordan, Jordan

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Have you ever been, have you ever had a choking scare?

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Have you ever almost asphyxiated in some sense?

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Oh, a number of times

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, I'm not a great chewer

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If you were putting together an American Olympic chewing team

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you would not come to Dan

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Not coming to you

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No, the one that sticks out the most to me was when I was like

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I don't know, let's call it 12-13

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I was at a pool in Columbia, Missouri

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and I was there with some buddies

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and I got a hot dog

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I love the idea that you drowned at a pool with a hot dog

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Not in the water

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Not in the water

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Not in the water, friend

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I took a bite of the hot dog, didn't chew all that well

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swallowed and I could feel like just the oh no

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Oh no

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Oh no, here goes

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Like full on, couldn't breathe, had that moment of panic

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Absolutely

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Oh shit, that's terrifying

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I was like looking around and like my friends were laughing at me

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and I was just like

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This is the last image that I'm gonna have in my head

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I'm supposed to be at the pool having fun

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I choke on a fucking hot dog while my friends laugh at me

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This is terrible

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Yeah, that's a bad way to go

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I threw myself against something

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I don't remember what it was

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I think it was a wall or a chair

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Memories are a little bit vague due to lack of oxygen

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Right, right, right, naturally

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But I ended up getting it out myself

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Like no one gave me the Heimlich or anything

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People are useless

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It's terrifying

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People are useless

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Yeah

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And then not too long ago I was eating a sandwich

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I was in my apartment

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What time is it? Was this a couple hours ago?

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This was within the last year

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I had a very similar moment of like uh oh, uh oh

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I should have chewed more

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And I had this weird feeling of like

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Alright, I do a podcast about Alex Jones being a liar

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I'm gonna choke on this sandwich

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and everyone's gonna make a conspiracy out of it

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Oh, 100%

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As I'm sitting there like not able to breathe

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I'm thinking to myself like about

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Oh god, everyone's gonna get this one wrong

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That's right

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No matter what, we are destined to die in a conspiracy theory

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Yeah, I was worried about that

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But I ended up dislodging that myself as well

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I survived to this day unchoked

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Jesus, now I need to get you a roommate because I swear to god

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I had a roommate at the time

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Yeah, exactly

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No, there's no way, no one's gonna find your body

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And there's no way for me to get in here

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No

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That'll be terrible

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Yep, oh well

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Alright, well, 911

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Anyway, there's a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones

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And apparently how to help myself from dying from asphyxiation

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The self Heimlich is very important

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I know what you tell me about both

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Yes, so Jordan, today we got a fun episode of Alex Jones to go over

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I do not really particularly care right now about the present day

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I may get back to it for Friday

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Yeah

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I'm not entirely sure

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I might do an episode about it then

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But based on our Monday episode

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Where we discovered the arrival of Steve Pachannik back in 2013

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Coming in hot

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Throwing Sandy Hook crisis actor talk all over the place

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I realized, like, I gotta stick around here

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I gotta see what's going on

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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We're snowballing

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It's getting to the head

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It really feels like it

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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It feels like there's momentum

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And I have a real sincere interest in following that thread

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Right

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So today we're going to be going over March 29th to April 1st of 2013

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And there's going to be some interesting developments

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Which confuse me and frustrate me

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And also bring some information into our orbit

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Did you just describe our entire show?

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I did

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And before we get to that though

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All the confusing and fun and informative and frustrating things

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I'd like to say thank you to the people who have signed up

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And allow us to create that frustrating and informative thing

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Very nice

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So first of all I'd like to say thank you to IO

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Not the theater person

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Gotcha

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you IO

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Nice IO

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Daniel, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you Daniel

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Thank you

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Next, Chris. Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks Chris

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Thanks Chris

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Next, Natalie, thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you Natalie

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Next, Deepaklovesalex

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Thank you so much

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You are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you

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Deepaklovesalex

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Finally I'd like to say thank you to a couple of folks

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Who donated on an elevated level

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We appreciate it very much

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So first of all, Callie, thank you so much.

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And Charlie, thank you so much.

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You're both wonderful technocrats.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Callie and Charlie.

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Thank you very much, Callie and Charlie.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these dudes do, you can support

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We would appreciate it.

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It would be very helpful.

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Very much so.

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So, Jordan, like I said, we're back in the past, 2013.

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Indeed.

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All right.

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Alex starts off the 29th in an interesting way.

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What we see here is Alex talking over the bumper music.

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He's coming into the show and it does the, from FEMA occupied region nine, you are part

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of the resistance.

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Here is Alex Jones.

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And Alex talks over that, but I think he doesn't know his mic is on.

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And then he pretends that his mic, he knows.

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He pretends that he's aware of it and he's doing it on, you'll see.

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My life's like a Batman movie.

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Big brother, mainstream media.

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Well, so I did that on purpose, my life's like a Batman movie.

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My mic's on.

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I did that on purpose.

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All right, Alex.

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So what that's about is that he was driving into work that day and a piece of plastic

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came off of a truck and apparently blocked his windshield for awhile.

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And that puts him in an incredibly fucked up mood for the day.

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He's thrilled to be alive.

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He could have died out on the highway.

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Yeah, no, that's legitimately terrifying.

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It is.

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And very much like a Batman movie.

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It's not that much like a Batman movie.

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There are similarities.

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There's a few.

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Batman has a car.

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That's true.

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There we go.

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So Alex has an interesting narrative that he's pitching on this day.

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And I think that it's one of the things that he's trying to, I bet that this is something

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that's been incredibly consistent throughout his career, but it feels very, like it's prominent

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right now in this stretch.

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And that is that everybody who's important loves him.

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Yes.

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World leaders are interested in what Alex is doing.

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Of course.

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Putin listens every day.

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And rogue world leaders are concerned about him.

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Terrified of him.

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So here is Alex talking about that a little bit in a way that is crazy.

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He is seen in the state run videos and photos commanding where he wants the missiles to

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head.

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And Kim Jong-un.

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Yeah.

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I actually already assumed that.

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I don't know.

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We've been doing this too long.

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Well, also because on our last episode of 2013, Alex was talking some mad shit on Kim

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Jong-un.

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Right.

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Right.

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So now there's pictures of Kim Jong-un that have come out that Alex is responding to.

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And I just had this weird thought when I was talking about, you know, we make fun of him

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a lot and it's viral and people see it all over the world that he's probably watching

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the show.

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You, you will die someday, you little coward.

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Just like your degenerate father and his degenerate mass murdering father.

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Okay.

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You little piece of trash.

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And of course, Austin is such a military target, I got a gut feeling that the little turd watches

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this show.

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And that's good.

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So Kim Jong-un, he's in, that's startlingly narcissistic.

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Unbelievable.

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It is insane.

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So Alex thinks that Kim Jong-un listens to his show.

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And because Alex has been yelling about how Un is a demon, Kim Jong-un has made plans

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to bomb Austin to shut Alex up.

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That's the only thing that makes sense.

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That is legitimately what Alex is suggesting.

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Right.

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So the leader of North Korea is going to bomb a United States city solely to get rid of

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Alex Jones, which will almost immediately end his country's existence.

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But he has to shut up, Alex.

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Alex is too much of a risk.

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No, North Korea would be on fire right now if they'd done that.

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Alex believes in freedom.

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Kim Jong-un is against freedom.

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Therefore, Kim Jong-un must destroy Alex.

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If they did that, legitimately the entire half of the country would be on fire.

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Jesus.

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Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

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Alex is placing himself, his radio show of those two entities on the elevated pedestal

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of being geopolitically relevant as a target.

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I can't believe someone would listen to his show and not be concerned about his well-being

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after saying something like that.

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Or this guy is so full of shit, he's fucking around.

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That kind of a thing being expressed by someone, you'd just be like, either you're crazy or

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this is completely unreliable bullshit.

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So Alex is responding to a post on NK News, North Korean news, with the headline, quote,

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North Korean photo reveals U.S. mainland strike plan.

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I've read this article and I have to say that from the blurriness of the photo that's included,

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I don't even think it's a fair assessment to say that Austin is even one of the targets.

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There is a line on the map, supposedly a missile path, which appears to end in Central Texas.

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But the problem is it's unclear if the path itself stops there or if that's just where

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the picture of the U.S. map is blocked by one of the North Korean soldiers hats.

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It's a problem.

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Because of this unclear image, even the NK News article said, quote, a composite overlay

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appears to show San Diego, Washington, D.C., Hawaii, and possibly Austin as being primary

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targets in a North Korean attack plan.

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They had to make a composite overlay where they superimposed the map over the soldier's

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hat and then guessed where that line ended.

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His hat also covered the entire southeastern United States.

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That line could have ended anywhere, but it's probably Austin because Alex has been talking

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shit about Kim Jong-un.

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Second theory.

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Right.

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That was as much of a map as they could afford.

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They couldn't afford the second.

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They couldn't afford the eastern half of the United States.

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So they just block it with the hat?

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So they had the hat there to be like, oh, they'll never guess that we just can't afford

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one half of the map.

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They'll make a composite and make assumptions.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're using a Mercator projection, I believe.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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They're working on thin information here.

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The other thing that's important to point out is that this image was not information

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that North Korea released to the world to threaten people.

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It was published in NK News after they found an image in Rodong, the newspaper of the Korea

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Workers' Party.

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The folks at NK News believe that this is indicative that the message was intended for

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an internal North Korean audience, not the world.

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John Swenson Wright, senior lecturer in East Asian international relations at the University

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of Cambridge, said to NK News, quote, it seems reasonable to suppose that the target map

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is designed for home consumption and to create an impression of war readiness for the DPRK

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citizens that is part of a wider policy of strengthening national resolve.

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This was a piece of propaganda meant for an internal audience, for a dictator to both

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scare and reassure his people.

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It's so wild to me how Alex can take something like that, give it a half a second's look,

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and decide that the real story here is about himself.

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Yeah.

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I think he's right.

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Sure.

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There is no evidence that Austin was even one of their targets, but Alex sees that shit

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and his immediate angle is Kim Jong-un must listen to the show.

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This is deeply troubling because the only two explanations I can see are outrageous

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levels of narcissism to the point where he actually believes that Eun listens to his

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show and is gunning for him, or an almost unbelievable level of comfort knowing he can

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say something that stupid and his audience will just believe it.

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It's nuts.

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Or they'll just ignore it.

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Or it'll be... To me, so much of this has to be water off a duck's back for so many

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of his listeners where it's almost like they stroke out unless something applies directly

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to them in the same way that Alex can't pay attention to anything without applying it

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directly to himself.

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He says all this narcissistic shit and his listeners are like, okay, all right, back.

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He's yelling about something else.

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But I think it still has some sort of a residual effect, even if it rolls off them.

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Because you still take it in as information.

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Even if you're like, well, whatever the case is... It elevates Alex to a status of super

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important geopolitically.

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Oh, of course.

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So your experience of listening to him, even if you don't take that in and fully internalize

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it as something important, it still gives the appearance that, well, dictators want

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to take Alex out.

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Right, right, right.

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For sure.

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The things that he's saying are super relevant.

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Well, okay, all cult leaders have to amplify the threat to them specifically from as large

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a thing as possible.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's almost better and more effective if it is that sort of thing where it's easy

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to just sort of like let it roll off you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because then you don't sit and think about it too long and realize, Kim Jong-un doesn't

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listen to your goddamn show.

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It's fucking stupid.

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Yeah.

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You're crazy.

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I don't know.

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So Alex has another headline that he wants to get into.

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And this is another thing that I believe is indicative of Alex's pattern of saying that

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everybody in various situations are actors.

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This is a trend that's running counter to Alex's Sandy Hook path.

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And this is the path where we've seen him say that some people in the Aurora shooting

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were actors.

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The G20 person who was arrested was an actor.

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Right.

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And now we have another example.

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One terrorist in Syria was working for CIA says, father, well, I saw the videos the guy

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put out going, I'm former Marine, but now I fight for Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda is good.

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And I said, that's clearly an actor, a bad actor.

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And I said, they may do a fake arrest of him.

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I'm not even smart folks out of their playbook.

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So I agree he's not very smart.

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So we have another guy who's an actor in Alex's mind.

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So who he's talking about is a guy named Eric Haroon, who is an American citizen who was

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arrested in a very complicated situation back in 2013.

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There's a version that Alex is putting forth, which is that he was an American soldier who

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decided to start saying Al Qaeda was great, most likely because he's a paid actor.

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And then the government had to stage an arrest to cover things up or something.

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Obviously, the globalist paid him to pretend to support Al Qaeda because he's part of a

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larger psy-op to make you think that white people can do bad things like terrorism, which

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Alex would tell you is impossible.

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That's the only explanation I can think of.

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It makes as much sense as Kim Jong-un listening to Alex's show.

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Well, we're two for two then.

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Beyond that just kind of being a dumb conception, his version of this story is painfully oversimplified.

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Haroon had been in the army, but had some bad behavioral issues when he was enlisted.

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According to The New Yorker, a fellow soldier who served with him said that he was, quote,

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about a week away from receiving a full-blown dishonorable discharge, which was averted

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when he was a passenger in a drunk driving crash, which led to him suffering from a skull

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fracture.

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He got a medical waiver and an honorable discharge, thus ending his formal fighting career in

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the U.S. services.

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In the years that followed, The New Yorker paints a picture of a really fucked up guy,

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discussing his stalking an ex-girlfriend, which ultimately led to him shooting himself

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in the abdomen when she wouldn't take him back.

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The article also says he was arrested twice for DUI and just had a real troubled path

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that led to him going overseas and staying in hostels and meeting people and getting

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interested in freedom fighting.

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Right.

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In all the interviews I've read, including a pretty in-depth piece in foreign policy,

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it's abundantly clear that Eric Haroon was not an al-Qaeda sympathizer.

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He was a committed anti-Zionist who joined up with rebels in Syria because he wanted

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to help overthrow Assad.

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And in the process, he allegedly accidentally got mixed up with Jabhat al-Nusra.

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He had joined up with a separate group that was ostensibly aligned with the United States.

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But after a skirmish in the ensuing chaos, he got a ride in an al-Nusra truck away from

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the fighting, and he ended up embedded with them for about 25 days, which you could kind

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of believe is a mistake, considering that Haroon didn't know Arabic.

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Due to his linguistic confusion, there's even some doubt that he was actually ever even

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with al-Nusra, as opposed to the possibility he was with a group like al-Nasr, and he just

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didn't know the difference.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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When his father says that he was working with the CIA, as Alex discusses, it most likely

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doesn't mean that he was in Syria because he was working with the CIA, but that he was

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negotiating with the CIA to be able to return to the United States.

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In the foreign policy article, Haroon describes the CIA when he's dealing with them about

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Iraq, trying to not get charged with war crimes.

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Right, right, right.

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The whole terrorism and war crimes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Trying to avoid that.

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Yeah, he describes the CIA as the bad cop to the FBI's good cop in their discussions

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that they're having.

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Yeah, they're both good cops, Dan, in my opinion.

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Sure.

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It's a little more complicated, though, because according to that New Yorker piece, in 2008,

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Eric had reached out to the CIA about a recent trip he'd taken to Lebanon, and he'd received

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a reply from a guy named Wayne, who appeared to be operating a dummy email account.

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Wayne did appear to act as a bit of a handler, and was trying to get Eric to spy on a local

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mosque.

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But from all available information, it doesn't appear that that relationship continued, nor

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did it have anything to do with Eric's later adventurism in the Middle East.

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It does seem like it explains why he would approach the CIA when he realized he'd gotten

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mixed up with a terrorist group, however, which is exactly what he did.

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It makes a lot of sense for him to think that he'd got goodwill built up from interacting

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with this Wayne guy and trying to help him get information on this mosque, and that if

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he just went in and was upfront about the situation, they wouldn't charge him with the

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war crimes that it appeared he may have been involved in.

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People are so fucking stupid, man.

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Never.

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Not in a million years.

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You go the fucking Harrison Ford route, you escape, you go on the run until you find the

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real killer.

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Those are the rules.

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Do not turn yourself in.

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They are not your friend.

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They are trying to come after you.

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Whatever the case is about it, what motivated him, whatever the case is about whether or

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not he deserved to go to jail for his actions, those are issues I can't really settle for

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you or the world.

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What I can say is that there's no credible reason to believe that Eric Haroon is an actor.

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That's just a completely insane argument, but it fits very neatly with how Alex is beginning

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to incorporate actors in so many of his narratives.

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Eric Haroon died in April 2014 of a drug overdose, which I'm going to guess Alex would say is

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actually just a globalist hit to take him out since he played his part in the grand

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deception and he wasn't useful anymore.

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Happened that way.

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In reality, Eric had struggled with addiction his whole life, going to rehab for heroin

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in 2011 and being hospitalized for an overdose about four months before his death in December

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2013 when he was found unresponsive on a bathroom floor.

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It's hard not to imagine that the six months of solitary confinement he was subjected to,

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which ended in September 2013, could have played a role in his relapse and eventual

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death.

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Oh, do you mean something that the UN would describe as torture could play a role in a

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drug addict's death?

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Which was the-

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Strange.

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Yeah.

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This is a tragic story of a complicated person who did some probably unwise things, possibly

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motivated by actually wanting to help oppressed people in Syria, possibly, but also motivated

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clearly by some vaguely anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist ideas.

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And just a desire and need for violence, apparently.

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But it's so complicated, like the reality of this person's life and the fact that in

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the present day someone could just decide to do that and do it, it's crazy.

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Yeah, that is interesting.

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And also the fact that he got, not fact, it's entirely possible that he slap-sticked his

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way into the Taliban, you know, or Al-Qaeda, that kind of thing where he's just like,

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oh, this dude's offering me a ride, cool, we're in a war zone, this guy seems nice.

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If somebody's offering you a ride, they're a nice guy, they're not trying to shoot at

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me.

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Get in there, don't speak Arabian, and then, oh shit, bummer.

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Now apparently when he was taken by this Al-Nusra truck, alleged Al-Nusra truck, he was kept

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as a prisoner for a while, and then there was another battle that they needed extra

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help with, and so they were like, hey, come on, we need more, and through that gained

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their trust.

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I don't know how much of this is apocryphal and whatever, but the point is that this is

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a complicated fucking story that a lot of people have looked into and researched pretty

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well.

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And even their versions of it leave some ambiguity about precise details about a lot of stuff.

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But one thing that is pretty clear from everything I've read, not an actor.

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And Alex would rather get rid of all that gray area, that complicated reality by just

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writing him off as an actor, he's a fucking actor, they're just trying to grab the dude.

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And that's not good, that's a lame thing to do.

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Yeah, if it was the early 40s, he would have, I don't know, I guess, bought a bar in Syria,

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named it Rick's.

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Sure.

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Done it that way.

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Nice to see that.

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I would watch that movie.

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Sure.

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Now let me ask you if you'd watch this.

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What?

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Alex has a big special report that he's bragging about on this episode here on the 29th.

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I would not.

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Already.

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Already out.

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He's trying to troll people.

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Okay.

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Alex Jones endorses gun control.

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God, I'm already angry.

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Now of course.

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The right is too good at humor.

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Yeah.

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Of course the point of it is I don't endorse gun control, I endorse gun control for the

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government.

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Yeah.

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The government's guns need to be taken away.

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Sure.

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Fine.

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I'm fine with that.

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Sure.

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Here's a little clip.

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That's why the founders called for gun control and that's why I'm now endorsing it.

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No, not gun control of the people who are the source of liberty and justice and wherever

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firearms are found, evil is restrained as Thomas Jefferson said.

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Oh boy.

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Did he just try and quote Thomas Jefferson again?

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He did.

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This is a rude, this is so much of a running joke now that I halfway think he's fucking

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with everybody.

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I don't think, I don't know, man.

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He just doesn't know anything Thomas Jefferson said.

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Nope.

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And again, that's a reference to the quote, quote, the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere

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and everywhere restrains evil interference.

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We've gone over this before, but again, it's essential to point out that this isn't even

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a fake Thomas Jefferson quote.

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This is a fake George Washington quote that traces back to an editorial in a hunting magazine

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from 1926.

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It's essential to keep highlighting this, even if it is a running joke, because it shows

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how little Alex cares about the supposed history he claims to be an expert in.

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Absolutely no clue.

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He knows nothing about these founding fathers.

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No clue.

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He's been authorized a few fake quotes from Patriot message boards that he pulls out whenever

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he needs to impress dollars.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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Crazy.

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You can't, you can't be that wrong about Thomas Jefferson quotes.

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There's just so many he's wrong about in any format.

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It's on a documentary, it's on his show, it's on his website quoting shit.

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How can you be wrong about Thomas Jefferson in so many different venues?

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It's very impressive.

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So on our last episode, we had the arrival of Steve Puchenik, and Steve made the argument

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that no kids died at Sandy Hook, there wasn't even a shooter, it didn't happen, it's all

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bullshit.

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Steve EP is coming in hot.

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And Alex didn't push back on him about it, and he actually sounded kind of excited about

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it.

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He didn't leave a really strong impression of disagreeing, or necessarily even really

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agreeing.

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But he didn't push back on that in the way that he has when people have said stuff like

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that in the past.

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So on the 29th, I was a little surprised and also a little bit not surprised to hear this.

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Oh, I agree.

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And that's why they're running around buying all the weapons they can while saying we shouldn't

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have weapons, then we murdered the children at Sandy Hook, which was a clear false flag.

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If people say no children died, no, they greased real kids, they like it.

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So on the 29th, Alex has spoken to Steve Puchenik, who has told him no one died there, Alex still

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believes that kids were killed there.

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And it does sound like he's referring specifically to Steve Puchenik when he says, the people

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who say that no kids died there, oh, they definitely.

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Is that a defense he can use in the lawsuit?

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I don't think so.

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Like his defense is like, hey, no, no, no, you missed it.

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I also said that a bunch of real kids were greased in the whole thing.

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And they love it.

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Yeah.

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Globalists love it.

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Yeah, see, I'm not the bad guy here.

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It does seem to be like one of his only reasons for holding out like belief that the no kids

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died is that like the globalists love killing kids.

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Why wouldn't they do that?

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Why even bother hiring actors?

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You can kill real kids for free.

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It does seem strange, but that's interesting to me because Alex is not swayed.

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He's had Steve Puchenik come in and pitch this, and I still think that is how it ends

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up going bad, but it's not immediate.

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Alex still isn't on board.

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He's on his show, and the little voice you hear, they're going like, oh, that's Mike

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Adams.

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He's talking to Mike Adams, and he's still telling him like kids died there.

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Now at the same time, Alex has started to notice some of these inconsistencies about

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the story in Sandy Hook, and so he's starting to incorporate them more into his show.

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They would love more children to die in the schools because it would give people like

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Bloomberg more power.

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Well, they've run all these shootings.

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We've caught them.

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Bloomberg was ready.

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It came out and they spun it.

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Well, of course, he tweeted in two minutes after.

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We were, I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, probably getting texted by the shooter.

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Yeah.

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Job is done.

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Go ahead.

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You know, proceed.

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Well, even the cops even caught the guy in the shooter outfit and then said, no, that

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never happened, even though it's on video, and then we got the arrest level that got

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expunged.

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Hey, what do you think the next big false flag attack is going to be?

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I think they might kill 500 kids.

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I think it may be a radiological attack.

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Oh, I've been saying nuke.

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I think, I mean, they're geared up, nuke stuff, say the Patriots did it.

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So they're having a lot of fun, workshop and prediction.

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Yeah.

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They're, what are we playing?

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Fantasy football on different, would it be crazy if they dropped a nuke?

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I've been saying that for a while.

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No, I'm going to go with a dirty bomb or radiological.

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Yeah, sure.

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They seem to enjoy that conversation.

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They really are like having a good time.

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It's like some, like some people play, would you rather back and forth and they're like,

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how do you want to die?

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What would the globalist rather, I also think if you listen to that clip, what you hear

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is a couple of examples of some of the arguments that Alex uses later in defense of the crisis

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actors.

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No one died there.

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Guy caught in the woods, Bloomberg seemed to have advanced knowledge.

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He has these narratives that he's putting forth, these pieces of information, these

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inconsistencies, which he will later blame on people like Wolfgang Helbig.

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Of course.

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Wolfgang Helbig is in no way mentioned.

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He hasn't been on the show.

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There has been no indication that Alex has any awareness of him or interaction with him.

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This appears to be things that Alex has learned of and he's reporting.

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So these things that will be a part of the Sandy Hook, no one died there argument are

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they are now, but he still doesn't believe that no one died.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, Bloomberg is texting Helbig to let him know all the secret conspiracy stuff

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going on and that Helbig texts Alex.

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It makes perfect sense.

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It's like a phone tree.

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It's like a phone tree of conspiracy murder.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, this is the, that's it for the 29th, uh, him and Mike Adams just have like, uh,

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they are trying to be jokers and it's very sad.

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That's not good.

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It's very tough to listen to.

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They try and especially Mike Adams, when he tries comedy, it is heartbreaking.

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It is rough.

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It is really heartbreaking.

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Absolutely.

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So, uh, the, this is a Friday, so there's no show on the 30th of course.

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And then we come in on the 31st and I don't know if you know this about March 31st, 2013.

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That was Easter.

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Uh, I didn't know that it was, it was Easter is in March.

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Sometimes can be.

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I did not know that.

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So March 31st is Easter and Alex opens the show like this little story here, uh, up on

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the side.

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I'm trying to find it.

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I had it printed out, uh, in front of me, Fox drama constitutionalist work for terrorists,

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serial murderers.

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Well, actually they are serial terrorist murderers, uh, who were very impressed that they're constitutionalist

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because that's the dirtiest, nastiest thing on earth.

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You can be, it brings a, uh, big smile to the chief killer's face.

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And so everything is now Southern property law center, ADL script, brainwashing the poor

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hapless public.

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And I just hope to point out to people that a free society does not have this type of

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full metal jacketed tyranny being sprayed out by the globalist media.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So a free society doesn't include television programs like this.

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It seems like a weird argument to being be made by an anti-censorship guy.

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No, a free society would make sure that these things would be censored and away from visual

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devices.

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That makes perfect sense.

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And nothing is more free than censoring my political enemy speech.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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So Easter is one of the biggest holidays in the Christian religion.

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And here we have Alex not taking the day off to be with his family or go to services.

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I don't say that to shame him.

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I just want to point out this is how he celebrates and recognizes the day when Christians worldwide

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somberly reflect on how Jesus died for their sins and opened up a possibility of a new

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way of living free from the bondage of sin.

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Some people have Easter egg hunts for the neighborhood kids.

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Some people make a nice meal and commune with their loved ones.

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And people like Alex get on a nationally syndicated radio program and complain about Fox drama

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shows.

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Yeah.

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I think we recorded on Easter too, though.

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Probably.

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But we don't pretend to be like extremist religious weirdos.

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Fair.

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The show that Alex is talking about here is The Following.

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So at least it's an actual show that was on air, unlike other times he's complained about

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pilots that never got picked up as if they're like, oh, this is so bad.

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I went read the article on Infowars about this from Kurt Nimmo that Alex is reporting

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on.

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And it starts out weak or actually it starts out too strong, I would say.

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Oh, Nimmo's article or well, yeah, the article starts out way too strong, but it's also weak

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work.

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Quote Fox, the entertainment network founded by Rupert Murdoch and Barry Diller is working

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with the federal government and the Southern Poverty Law Center in a concerted effort to

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demonize Americans, identifying themselves as constitutionalists.

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Wow.

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This is a devastatingly terrible lead paragraph and any decent writer would never write this

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and any website with an actual editor would never publish it.

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And here's why.

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It's biting off way more than the article can chew.

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That paragraph is explicitly saying that this article will report that one, the SPLC is

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working with Fox, two, the federal government is working with Fox, three, these groups are

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specifically working with Fox on issues related to content, and four, the work they're doing

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is specifically to demonize constitutionalists.

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Yes.

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Do you have any idea how much work that dumb dumb Kurt Nimmo is going to have to do to

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actually make this article match that lead paragraph?

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How dare you?

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The answer is put a period at the end of that paragraph and call it a day.

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Phone it in.

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I'm out.

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Yep, go to lunch.

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He's going to have to demonstrate actual coordination or involvement between the SPLC, federal government

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and Fox.

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And you know what?

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Even if he somehow manages to do that, he still has to prove that this work has anything

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to do with the following and the content in that show.

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There's literally no way that anyone at Infowars has the journalism or research chops to pull

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something like that off.

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It's just pathetic.

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All right.

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So there, I assume that Nimmo immediately filed a FOIA.

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He went immediate to FOIA, let's get the government to put these documents together.

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We need emails between Fox producers, the producers of the show.

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The I don't know, I guess it goes all the way to the top.

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Let's just go to the president.

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We need it all.

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All right.

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He didn't.

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He didn't know.

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The article is mostly just a bunch of copy and paste snippets about the Mayak report

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and how AMC was trying to put a pilot of a comedy show on air called We Hate Paul Revere.

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And they don't mention that it's, you know, just was never actually even a show.

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It's just all that standard bullshit.

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But the bigger issue here is that this isn't about the entire series.

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It's just about one episode of the following.

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And this gripe that he has, that Kurt Nimmo has, is fucking hilarious.

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Quote, in the above clip featured during Infowars night news on Thursday, two recruits are asked

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if they're ex-military.

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They respond by saying they were raised in a militia and are, quote, constitutional extremists.

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First, you got the name of their own show wrong.

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It's the Infowars nightly news, and no editor caught that.

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Who fucking works there?

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It's real sad.

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Does anyone work there?

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Second problem, that's it?

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Two characters mentioned that they were constitutional extremists and the response is to just lie

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and say that this is a gigantic SPLC, federal government run plan to make people like Alex

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look bad?

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I don't think there's any other explanation.

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People are so sensitive.

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I don't think there's any other explanation, Dan.

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So sad.

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It's a massive conspiracy because they felt bad for a little bit.

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These are the same people running around calling people snowflakes all the time for not putting

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up with racist and sexist bullying.

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These are the same people who are into the free exchange of ideas and free speech absolutists.

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And yet here, Alex is legitimately saying on his show that in a free society, a show

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like the following wouldn't exist because it makes his extremist buddies feel bad.

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Yeah, no, the right wing is made up primarily of cowards and liars.

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This is crazy.

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And that's it.

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It's a profoundly bad take on Alex's part, but it's so revealing.

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He can't prove that the SPLC and federal government is responsible for this.

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Probably like 10 seconds in one episode of the following.

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So he has Kurt Nemo write a shitty article pretending to demonstrate that.

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Then Alex can get on his radio show and talk about how Infowars is reporting that the SPLC

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is demonizing constitutionalists.

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It's a sick loop.

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This is a loop of lies.

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Oh, no, it's the shitty.

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It's a shittier version of the 24 hour Fox machine where the morning show has a guest

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on and they say, oh, I think that Obama's blah, blah, blah.

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And then the evening news is like, some people are saying that Obama is blah.

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It's the same bullshit.

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It is.

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But it's so much more, it's more nefarious in some way.

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And all Alex.

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Would that be, could that, is that libel?

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I don't think anyone would take the time to take that suit.

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But I mean, it's not really, it's not really an insult or anything like that.

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It's definitely like real bad journalism.

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No, no, no.

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It's really bad journalism.

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And to make it even worse, this is so funny and I'm probably only bringing this up because

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I had to read an actual Infowars article and like when you do, you find shit like this

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and it's so pathetic.

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Listen to this.

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Uh, this is an actual paragraph from a real article that Infowars published quote Alex

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Jones told Infowars.com today that the violent patriot and constitutionalist narrative runs

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through numerous mainstream television shows.

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Jones said his wife reports witnessing repeated instances of constitutionalists portrayed

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as violent criminals engaged in terrorist activity on hospital and police dramas.

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The article, the article is taking Alex as a primary source where he's saying that his

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wife has no, no, I don't have time to watch TV, but my wife tells me that constitutionalists

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really look bad all the time.

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So I'm just going to take that as truth.

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She reported it, Dan, she did not say it.

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She did not anecdotally it, it does say that she reported, she reported it.

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So if you're keeping score, Alex is on his radio show reporting on an article on info

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wars.com written by Kurt Nemo that's sloppy as hell and he is one of the primary experts

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that they consulted about what shows his wife watches.

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Yep.

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This is so bad.

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That is, that is, that's amazing.

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When you start to see like that this is something that's acceptable to them, you start to have

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to like question how rigorous is any process for anything.

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I can't be, it can't be that strong if this is okay.

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Oh yeah.

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I really like them leaning into none of their listeners being able to read past the headline.

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I really like them just like, man, why even, but it, it would make almost as much sense

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if they had the headline and then just a series of ellipses like that would be it.

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It's the same thing.

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My boss said that Patriots are being made to look bad.

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We are now reporting Alex Jones told info wars.com.

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No he didn't.

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Alex Jones told you across the hall.

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Yeah, it's embarrassing.

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So on this 31st here, this Sunday, uh, Easter show, Alex, uh, goes out to break the first

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commercial break.

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Uh, like this telling the truth is a revolutionary act born of that with our special guests straight

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ahead.

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It's a surprise.

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It's a surprise guest.

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Surprise guests.

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Yeah.

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And guess what?

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Then it just goes to rebroadcast.

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What?

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It's a clip show.

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No.

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Yeah.

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No.

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The clip show didn't work on Easter.

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He did take Easter off.

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Oh, so what happened was he recorded that on Friday and he didn't know what special

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guests they were going to replay, what interview they were going to replay.

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And so he teased that and they just recorded that like five minutes on Friday or whatever.

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And then he took the weekend off.

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No shit.

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Yeah.

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So that's fucking asshole clip show.

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So he just re airs his Ted Nugent interview again, which is like, Oh God, great.

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Just complaining about Jim Carrey.

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Yeah.

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And then he has an interview that he did a while back with John Rappaport about how James

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Holmes was on mind control.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's very bad.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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So you get to April 1st and I found something real interesting.

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Real quick.

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It is April 1st, 2013.

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I am your host.

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Alex Jones.

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We're going to be live here for the next three hours.

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We had him on for about 20 minutes last week.

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I'm getting him on for a full hour.

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Oh no.

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Always interesting.

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Steve Pechenik is going to be with us in the third hour.

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We will open the phones up so you can have a chance to, to, uh, ask him a few questions

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during that period.

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Steve Pechenik is back already.

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Stevie P's back after a weekend.

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A couple of days and we got to get Steve back.

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He said something real wild and like, uh, Alex has already like on the 29th expressed

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that he does not agree with that.

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Right.

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He thinks the kid's dying to there, but yet let's get Steve back to talk about it for

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an hour.

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Steve emerges from that stone cave where he was kept, uh, the day after Easter and he's

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back to bring salvation to Alex Jones's narrative.

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Perhaps.

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So I started to listen to this episode and I started to feel like this is so familiar.

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I was like, I have heard this episode before and I knew for sure that I had heard it before

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when it got to Alex starting to tell a story about how over the weekend he got yelled at

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by a globalist in a hot tub.

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No shit.

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This is that episode.

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It is.

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God damn.

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We have covered this episode already.

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I got about 40 minutes into the episode and I'm like, this can't be another time that

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there's a globalist in the hot tub.

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I imagine there, I imagine there've been plenty globalists in the hot tub.

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There certainly are like a hot Springs globalists in there.

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Um, so I went back and I looked, I was like, why did we cover this already?

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Why have I already heard this?

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Yeah.

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And when we did a live show a couple of years back, uh, when I was trying to find a topic

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to cover, one of the things, the last day he was on in, uh, Austin was this, that one.

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Oh, okay.

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What I did was in my preparation for it, I went back and I listened to every April fool's

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day cause I thought that maybe Alex would do a joke show or something.

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Right.

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And I heard this, we didn't use it for the live show, but the next episode after that

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I had found the globalist in a hot tub story.

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I was like, we gotta talk about that.

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So if you want, you can go back and listen to our April 1st and 2nd episode where it's

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mostly about Alex running into a authoritarian globalist who is into white genocide, uh,

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who yells at Alex in a hot tub.

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Apparently this dude points at Alex for 20 minutes, 20 minutes, and then Alex has night

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mirrors about it.

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So it's a fantastic story.

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I realized that like we had already covered this and I was like, ah shit, what do I do?

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Do I just say, everyone go listen to that episode.

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Hey, we're done.

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Yeah.

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I went back and I listened to that episode and I realized that like all we mostly covered

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in that was the globalist in the hot tub and there's more going on here.

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So what I'm going to try and do is I'm going to look at the other stuff, the globalist

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in a hot tub stuff that's in the other episode.

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We will take a look at all of the other stuff that's important for our continuing investigation

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in 2013.

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Um, but unfortunately will not involve the globalist in a hot tub globalist in a hot

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tub.

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I think it was actually a sequel to hobo with a shotgun.

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Do you remember that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that was pretty much the same one.

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So it's important to point out the globalist in a hot tub stuff though because it's, um,

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it puts Alex in a really bad mood.

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He is really depressed and really messed up about running into this authoritarian when

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he is on a family vacation at the Hyatt or whatever he saw G and an HT come on, he can't

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let that go.

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No, certainly not.

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So he's in a very fucked up head space.

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Um, and that puts him in a really bad position to interact with a psych warfare expert.

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Oh man, I love it when they're hate each other so much.

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So we, uh, we'll get to that as we get to it.

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But, uh, before that, Alex, uh, he continues our running joke.

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They're going to take everything folks.

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Thomas Jefferson said the level of tyranny you will live under is the exact level that

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you will accept.

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What?

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God damn it.

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I don't think that that's an actual Thomas Jefferson quote as I can find literally no

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evidence Jefferson ever said it searching through sources ranging from quotation websites

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to Monticello's Jeffersonian archives.

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This doesn't appear in any recorded statement or speech given by Jefferson.

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Granted, it doesn't sound too off base for something Jefferson might believe.

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It's just that there's no evidence he did say it.

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However, it does sound a lot like a boiled down version of someone else's words.

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Quote, find out just what a people will submit to and you've found out the exact amount of

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injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.

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And these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or with both.

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The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

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This was said on August 4th, 1857 by noted radical abolitionist Frederick Douglass.

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This is wild to me because obviously Alex likes the sentiment of this quote, but for

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some reason he doesn't know that he's reciting a quote specifically about the ending of slavery,

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which is something his family members literally fought to maintain.

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I'm not speaking loosely or making assumptions here.

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The next line of that speech are, quote, in the light of these ideas, Negroes will be

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hunted in the north and held and flogged in the south so long as they submit to those

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devilish outrages and make no resistance, either moral or physical.

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Men may not get all they pay for in this world, but they must certainly pay for all they get.

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If we ever get freedom from the oppression and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for

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their removal.

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We will do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and if need be, by our lives and

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the lives of others.

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Most of the time, Alex's fake Jefferson quotes are just kind of dumb.

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They're examples of him seeing a meme on a Patriot message board and assuming it's real.

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This case feels grosser, as if what's going on is an attempt to steal Frederick Douglass's

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words and attribute them to someone it's cool with your audience to quote.

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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, maybe more than I should, and maybe it's just Alex

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being stupid like usual.

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But whatever the case, his streak of not knowing anything about his favorite subject in American

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history continues.

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It's still going strong, still going strong.

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That's really messed up.

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He's the Ted Williams of not knowing anything about Thomas Jefferson.

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It's kind of amazing.

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No one will ever beat a 56-quote streak.

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And that one, it does seem more messed up to me.

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I mean, yeah, but most of these assholes take what black people say and attribute it to

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somebody white.

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That's just the truth.

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Frederick Douglass, smart guy, can't remember him at all, going to have to give it to Thomas

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Jefferson.

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Everything is fucking Jefferson if it sounds good.

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Fuck off.

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Yeah.

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And it's because there's no way he's going to say anything that Lincoln said because

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he's his ancestors and he hates that guy.

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We're going to learn something about Lincoln a little bit later.

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So in this next clip, we get a sort of continuation of Alex's delusions of grandeur.

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And at the beginning of this episode, we heard him arguing that Kim Jong-un listens to his

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show.

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He does.

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And because Alex has been talking shit, getting out of pocket, Kim Jong-un is planning to

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bomb Austin.

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Yes.

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That's the only thing that makes sense.

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Alex has another indication of his geopolitical importance in this next clip.

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And then I'm talking to all these different former high-level people in government and

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current ones, and they tell me that they go to CFR meetings and they go to Pentagon meetings.

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And most of the people there are listeners and are all upset about what's happening and

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they don't know what to do.

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You don't know what to do?

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You listen to my show and you're just, quote, glad I'm there?

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Glad I'm here?

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I'm going, hey, pirate ship, it's firing on us.

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And you're all going, yeah, you're right, Ben Alex, you're great.

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You recognize the pirate ship right as a cannonball takes off somebody's head.

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That smells like Steve.

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Man, that's just too stupid.

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What we know is that Steve Puchenik is former CFR.

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We know that he's someone who talks to Alex.

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We know that he's someone who has a strategy of buttering up Alex with flattery.

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This seems like something that Steve is telling Alex.

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I go to these high-level meetings and everyone's a huge fan of you.

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They say that you're right on.

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They say that thank God you're there to tell people the truth.

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That to me is right in line with the kind of bullshit Steve would tell Alex to ingratiate

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himself with him.

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Totally.

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And you know how stupid...

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Excuse me.

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Sorry.

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I just choked, ironically, I choked on something.

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On that compliment.

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It's so funny to me because Alex has the argument for why it's not true on his lips.

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He's saying literally, you guys listen to me and you're saying you don't know what to

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do?

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I'm telling you what to do.

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What are you talking about?

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You're so powerful.

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Why aren't you doing the thing?

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You're all in the halls of power.

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If you all love me so much, why aren't you doing something?

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I'll tell you why, Alex.

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Because they're not actually fucking listening.

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You know why.

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I listen to this shit, this terrible show where it flies to legitimately, on Easter,

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cover an article that you're the primary source for about 10 seconds in a Fox show where you

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allege that the SPLC and the federal government are running drama content.

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You're running that kind of a joke of a fucking show.

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And you believe that world leaders are listening...

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Joint chiefs of staff.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Are all listening to this show.

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They're like, what else is Alex's wife going to report about TV?

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So yeah, the only realistic explanation is that Steve is telling them this.

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It's a complete lie from somebody because he sounds like he believes it and it's not

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something that he just made up.

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Absolutely.

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So that's how I'm operating.

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I heard that and immediately my Steve Bell went off.

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Hilarious.

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And not just because Steve's on the show.

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Even if Steve wasn't on this episode, I'd be like, that's a fucking pajama.

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He brought up CFR, brought up talking to high level people.

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It's too exactly in line with the manipulation we've seen Steve use on Alex in the past.

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Yeah, there's only one other high level manipulator like that and he's not going to show up for

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another couple of years.

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True.

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Although in 2013, Alex did meet Roger Stone at that JFK convention, but they didn't become

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friends yet.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah, that's where their paths first allegedly crossed.

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So Alex, in this next clip, says something that tells me an interesting piece of information

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about his awareness about his audience.

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And the only reason we have any wealth or money or any due process is because our ancestors

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would kill people if people pushed them around.

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And the globalists know that and remember that, and they're getting ready to take everything

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to arrest patriots, torture centers, I mean, they've got it all planned.

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And they're coming out in the culture and all the movies, the video games, all the major

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shoot them up video games in America.

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Now, I went and checked like five of them a few months ago.

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You torture militia members in America.

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Which five?

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Pull our teeth out.

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Just, you know what?

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You're anti UN takeover.

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You practice ripping our teeth out.

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Kids are all simulating killing us right now.

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Simulated murder games.

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It's all, it's a total, total scientific full spectrum takeover.

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But if you are just aware of the full spectrum takeover, it's over.

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Do you ever played any game like that?

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Have you ever played a video game where you just rip teeth out?

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I certainly, I mean, I bet, I wouldn't say that it doesn't exist, but it doesn't seem

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prevalent.

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No.

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Is it like individual teeth or do you just press X and all teeth are removed?

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If it's all of them at the same time, that's a shoddy construction of the game.

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What's the point of removing teeth if you're removing them all at once?

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Yeah, that's no, come on.

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Each tooth is a mission.

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It's gotta be.

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So I found a top 100 list of video games based on sales from 2013.

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And I'm not sure I'm seeing the same thing Alex is seeing here.

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The top selling game of 2013 was Grand Theft Auto five and I could definitely see Alex

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taking issue with that game from like a puritanical standpoint, but it definitely wasn't about

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training kids to tear out Patriots teeth.

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No, that was Katamari Damacy, I believe.

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Number two on the list is FIFA, which I guess Alex could see as un-American, but a far cry

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from anything.

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Watching soccer is like pulling teeth, you know what I'm saying?

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Number three is Call of Duty Ghosts and number four is Battlefield 4, which are both pretty

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solidly America centric military style games.

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Number five is Assassin's Creed Black Flag, which is about pirates.

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Great game.

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Number six is Tomb Raider.

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Number seven is the previous year's edition of FIFA and number eight is Lego Marvel superheroes.

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Number nine is Minecraft and number 10 is Last of Us.

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None of these games come close to describing the sort of game Alex is imagining here.

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I should admit for full disclosure, I haven't played any of the games on this top 100 except

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probably Luigi's Mansion 2, but none of them seem like they're based on torturing people

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because they love to yell about private property and the free market.

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That doesn't sound right.

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This is Alex being dumb and old, but also knowing that his audience is gullible and

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old.

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When I hear a guy say that all the top video games are about teaching kids to torture Patriots,

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all I really hear is a guy indicating that he knows that his demographics don't include

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people under 40.

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More I think about it, the more I think there's a very good chance that Alex would have been

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the sort of guy back in the day who would have been like, there's satanic messages hidden

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in rock and roll.

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Yeah.

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Oh, 100%.

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This is basically the equivalent of that.

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Yeah.

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What are the kids doing there?

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Whatever it is the kids are doing, it's probably evil.

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You don't fucking... Yeah.

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It's just a man being out of touch with the next generation and having to fucking pathologize

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it.

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And knowing that expressing that out of touchness in a aggressive way won't alienate his audience.

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He knows that anybody who's listening isn't like someone who has any awareness of video

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games.

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Right.

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And so like, what's the cost?

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What's the cost to just taking that line?

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You've got like old man house phone listening.

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Yeah.

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It's not like he knows anything about the current state of like modern console games

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or anything.

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FIFA 13 was great.

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Last game I played was Kong.

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I mean, maybe one of the Fallout series could have some kind of... There are some narratives

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in the Fallout games where it's like, look at where nationalist propaganda will get you.

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That kind of thing.

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I could see that maybe.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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Maybe, but that doesn't mean that like- Why am I trying to find a real life example

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of the lies that he's- Because it's interesting to think about.

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Yeah.

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And also like there probably is one thing he's talking about.

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Yeah.

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He's trying to find video games to be able to like pinpoint what he's probably talking

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about.

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But even if he proves that there's one game that's similar to what he's talking about,

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he still has failed to prove his thesis that it's all, like there's so many of these games,

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it's all about it.

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It's in the culture.

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You have 10 seconds of an episode of the following you're complaining about.

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I don't believe you.

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Also, I want to know what console you're using.

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Are you using a console or are you a PC gamer?

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What are we talking about here?

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I use Atari.

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I'm playing the GameCube still.

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As we go through this stretch of time, we're noticing a lot of different trends.

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One of them is the heightened prevalence of Alex saying that things are actors.

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Another one that I'm noticing quite a bit that troubles me more maybe even than his

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Sandy Hook shit is a lot of callers seem to be calling in expressing alienation with the

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people around them because of Alex.

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We've seen him respond pretty badly to that in past episodes.

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Very poorly.

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But in this next clip, we see another caller expressing pretty much exactly the same thing.

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Now that I've woken up, people around me don't agree with me anymore.

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The hostility that Alex expresses towards these people in the caller's life, I think

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is so irresponsible.

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Let's go to Robert in Pennsylvania.

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You're on the air, Robert.

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Welcome to the airwaves.

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Hey, Alex.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I just wanted to ask you, how do I approach people with this information?

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I get ridiculed.

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I get laughed at.

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People think I'm crazy, Alex.

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Exactly.

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No, no, no.

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It's crazy to say they're taking people's bank accounts.

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It doesn't exist.

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Sounds like you're hanging around with a bunch of morons.

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It's not your fault that they're cowardly, dumbed-down, low-IQ'd fools, and they've never

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counted in history.

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Let's just find a like-minded people and organize against it and run for local office and do

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things like that.

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Yeah.

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I just wanted to also tell you, Alex, you really touched my life for the positive.

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Wow.

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You can't do both of those things back to back.

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Alex, no one wants to talk to me and I get made fun of all the time because of you.

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Because of the ideas that I repeat that you have.

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Next.

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You've really made a positive influence in my life.

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No.

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Well, I mean, you know, that is sort of indicative of Stockholm Syndrome, named after Stockholm

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Europe.

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Yes.

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Absolutely.

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It does seem like there is a piece of it where it is very possible to interpret, as long

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as you have the veneer of martyrdom to whatever people are doing to you, it is still possible

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for someone to destroy your life and you still see it as a positive.

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Right, right, right.

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Absolutely.

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But it's so wrong of Alex to think that he's not hurting people.

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No.

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If you get a bunch of calls from people who are saying, like, what you have made me believe

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has really made it so no one can communicate anymore, you should take a look in the mirror.

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That's all.

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I would.

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That's that's what I would say.

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Tyranny is ruining someone's life and then having them thank you for it.

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You know who said that?

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Jefferson.

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Exactly.

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Frederick Douglass by way of Jefferson.

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Yeah.

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So earlier I heard Alex say that, you know, all these high level government people are

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listening to his show.

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And I believed that it was Steve who was telling him that.

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And thankfully, Alex confirms that.

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Okay, good.

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Nice.

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Steve pacenik dot com.

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He also wrote a bunch of books with Tom Clancy that have been turned into major Hollywood

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films.

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And the good news, he told us last week, is he goes to major Pentagon meetings and, you

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know, he still lectures there at different military colleges, please, to the brass.

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And he said a lot of them are listeners.

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I already know that separately myself.

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Sure, you do.

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Sure, you do.

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So I've got confirmation on that.

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That's just my instincts are finally tuned.

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Yep.

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I hear Alex say that CFR members and high level government people listen.

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I'm like, oh, that's Steve.

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And then later he's like, well, Steve told me that Steve told me great.

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So like I said, Alex is coming off this globalist in a hot tub situation and he's pretty depressed

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about it because this guy, you know, he really shook him to the point where he's having nightmares

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and Alex is really depressed.

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And that's not good because Steve Pechenik, for whatever crazy he is, for however much

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he is probably exaggerating a lot of his resume, he definitely is someone who understands psychology.

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Yes.

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He has a doctorate.

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He has degrees in psychology, psychiatry.

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So he knows how to manipulate people when they're vulnerable.

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Yeah.

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He's doctor, he's doctor, steal your brain.

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He's not somebody that you want to talk to when you're not in a good place.

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Right.

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And so when I hear Alex introduce him, I feel like this is the worst possible scenario.

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Dr Steve Pechenik, great to have you on with us here today.

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And I told you I want to cover the waterfront.

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What do you make?

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Cause I'm almost doing a ghost dance here.

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I mean, I'm just kind of, you know, as a psychiatrist, as a doctor, as a military man, what is the

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psychology?

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I'm going through grief.

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I mean, the collectivists are saying you're done, we're going to wreck you.

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They're celebrating the defacing of the, of our free country.

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They're celebrating the balkanization, the public's in a trance or those that are awake

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don't know what to do.

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The public's voting by buying 10 million guns a month, Homeland Security's arming against

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us.

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I mean, what, what are we seeing build up here?

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Well, Alex, let me rephrase the entire thing.

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What are the reasons you and I get along so well, and I do respect you is number one,

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you do talk about the truth, but I can understand why you're feeling depressed.

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The truth is I am not.

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What we see there is a perfect set up for someone like Steve.

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Wow.

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Alex is like, you're an expert on this stuff.

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I'm depressed.

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I'm feeling grief.

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There's a lot of real negative things.

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Doctor, I'm coming to you shattered, put the pieces back together in the way that you see

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fit.

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That is, and God, Steve is so good at it.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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He was, he even, he, he got the compliment in there without even, without forcing it,

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without forcing it all.

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You talk about the truth.

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And then, and then he turns around and he's like, let's reframe it.

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I'm not depressed.

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So you think about that.

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Allow me, allow me to take all of your concerns, reframe them in my construct, put them in

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a different package that doesn't make me depressed.

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So if you see it my way, you won't be depressed either.

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And you don't want to feel bad anymore.

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Do you know?

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And the fascinating thing too, is about that compliment, how it's delivered is also within

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the framework of why we've always gotten along.

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It reaffirms their connection and their mutual respect and working together.

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It's so.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if he's, I don't know if this is muscle memory or if he's just that good.

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I think he's just that good.

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He's that good.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think probably not that hard.

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No, that's true.

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No.

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I think if you are somebody who has a good amount of training, uh, in the field, you

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probably recognize little cues and in the way Alex is behaving and, you know, provide

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stimulus that leads him in the direction that you want them to go.

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I don't think it's that hard now.

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That's that's fair.

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Mm hmm.

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So Steve, uh, gets right down to Sandy Hook.

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Uh, he has some feelings about it and I'll say on our last episode, his big piece of

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evidence, uh, that Sandy Hook, no one died there, was that Susan Collins, the writer

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of the Hunger Games, is from the city of Newtown.

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Right.

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In this episode, he starts off with a slightly different approach and that is to express

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that let me see if I can explain this because it's dumb.

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OK.

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In the Aurora shooting, there was a gag order.

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All right.

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I am already finding this to be stupid.

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In the Sandy Hook shooting, there was also a gag order.

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OK.

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President Obama talked about the Sandy Hook shooting.

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Uh oh.

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Thereby breaking the gag order.

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That doesn't make sense.

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He didn't talk about the Aurora shooting, which I'm not sure is actually true at all.

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I don't think it's true at all.

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But he didn't talk about the Aurora shooting because there was an actual crime that the

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gag order was protecting because Obama talked about Sandy Hook.

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There wasn't a gag order to actually reinforce.

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There's no crime.

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Therefore, no gag order.

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Therefore, Obama didn't commit a crime.

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God, they all believe in these like at the stroke of midnight rules like it's like it's

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like the pumpkin doesn't understand midnight.

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It's not a concept that the pumpkin understands.

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Why do you why do you think that that makes any fucking sense?

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That's not going to turn back into a pumpkin at midnight because it's it's not a concept.

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That's a great turn of phrase.

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The pumpkin doesn't understand.

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So I heard that and I thought, like, this is weird.

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Yeah.

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This is weird.

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That's a weird line.

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But here's here's Steve expressing that line of thought, which is it's mind blowing.

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But what happened, and this is why I'm very impressed, Alex, and I think your audience

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should be impressed.

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What happened is that because of defense lawyers did not do well and they brought what we call

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a gag order the same way the president of the United States broke the gag order on Sandy

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Hook, which he should never have done if in fact there was a killing.

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But there was no killing at Sandy Hook.

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The president would have been indicted for a federal offense of the gag order.

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So what happened in Arula is not only an indictment of the criminal James Holmes, it's an indictment

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of the false flag of Sandy Hook.

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So for me, this is a very important day that your audience has to understand.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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That's weird.

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That's very strange.

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That's I just don't like how you can be so fucking good at manipulation and then in the

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next sentence be so goddamn stupid.

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I mean, it's unreal what he is saying.

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Alex kind of makes it easy.

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That's true.

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But I mean, it's not.

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It doesn't.

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It doesn't.

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I mean, as we, as we have seen, no, he could just do whatever illegal shit he wants and

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nobody's going to indict him.

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So Steve's argument seems to be that Aurora was real and that was a crazy dude who hadn't

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shot some people, which is why Obama couldn't say anything because a real crime was committed.

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Not a false flag.

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Sandy Hook false flag.

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Of course.

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Proven by Obama saying something about it, breaking a gag order.

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Whose gag order was it?

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I don't know.

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It's not important.

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Nevermind.

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It's all, it's the pumpkin.

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So Alex takes issue with this because he does believe that Aurora is a false flag.

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So they have a little bit of a difficulty.

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He's like, Alex is like, you know what, Aurora was fake.

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And Steve responds to that by just sort of really getting into how Sandy Hook was fake.

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I see false flag all over the place, not just at Sandy Hook.

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Well, let's limit it just to Sandy Hook because that's very important.

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That was literally where the president took his ground and made a, he put a line in the

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sand and said, this is where I stand.

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These poor kids who were never killed, they were never present.

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And he created a total absurd scenario, which made no sense, had no credibility, was inconsistent,

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used all these female executives who'd been in Texas in your area, Mr. Gene Rosen, Susan

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Collins, who wrote a hundred games, and there's what, 600 million who wrote this type of scenario.

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This is the beginning of the end of the false flags for FEMA, for CIA and others.

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So I see the upside to this, Alex.

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And you know, I'm not, I'm not an optimist, I'm not a realist.

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You're a realist.

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That is bananas.

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Yeah.

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Susan Collins wrote about this type of situation?

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Yeah.

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The Hunger Games.

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Or is he just talking about the post, he's not talking about specifically she was writing

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about false flags in Newtown, Connecticut.

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No, his only real connection is that there are school children in the Hunger Games.

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Right.

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And they are fighting and die.

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Gotcha.

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That to me is as best I can tell the connection that exists there.

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Maybe he just doesn't like the Hunger Games.

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That's fine.

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Yeah.

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He doesn't like a lot of things.

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Like on the last episode he was complaining about Zero Dark Thirty.

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That's true.

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He seems to have some film criticism.

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He just has a lot of access to grind with creative content.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It seems so.

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Because his involvement with Tom Clancy isn't respected enough, probably.

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Right.

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Right.

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Probably has those feelings.

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Not a lot of people respect ghostwriting a Tom Clancy book.

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It's a very common thing that a lot of people have done.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is having this conversation and you know, Steve is expressing a lot of things

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that are counter to Alex's stated positions.

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First of all, you know, don't worry about Aurora, we're talking about Sandy Hook.

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Sandy Hook.

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No one died there.

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The kids weren't there.

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No big deal.

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Nothing happened.

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And Alex seems to be against that.

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But it is the position he will end up taking.

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Yeah.

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Which is strange.

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And also Alex is allowing this to happen on his show with very little pushback outside

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of I think Aurora's fake too.

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Yeah.

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And then this.

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This is his other main pushback.

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But my issue is specifically as being somebody who has basically covered false flags and

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worked in the government as an expert on this, what you're saying that tells you that no

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one was killed.

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Because in my experience when I do false flags, why not kill some kids?

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I mean, they have more fun.

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They enjoy their work.

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Well, they're my best.

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So that seems to be, like I said earlier, the biggest stumbling block that he has is

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like why?

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So it appears that someone like Steve is pretty fucking smart and manipulative.

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If he's able to come up with a compelling reason for Alex to believe, it would be easier

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for them to not kill, even though they love to kill and have fun doing it, then that would

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resolve any of the rebuttals that Alex is putting forth.

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That seems to be the big hurdle and that's not a hard hurdle.

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No.

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And especially in his state of being right now, he's so deferential and like this is

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a daddy issue on display here as an older man who I respect and he is allowed to hold

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forth and whenever I push back, it's going to be with a fucking upward lilt at the end

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of every statement.

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Everything is a question now.

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Yeah.

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And the two of them don't fight at all, like Alex's state is very submissive and he allows

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Steve to hold court for long stretches of time and talk about how like the base of America

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is entrepreneurship and it's just like pontificating about a whole bunch of nonsensical ideas,

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but they're ideas that Alex really is into.

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There's a lot of like packaging his argument about Sandy Hook with a lot of window dressing

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about like the return of small business, the end of the era of false flaggery, which we

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know is a bad prediction.

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Sure.

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You know, the French don't have a word for entrepreneur.

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No.

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Thomas Jefferson said that.

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Steve does say that Europe has never valued entrepreneurship.

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Of course.

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Why?

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Who are these people?

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I don't know.

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In this next clip.

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It's a little bit longer, but this is Steve laying out his big theory, I guess, about

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Sandy Hook being fake.

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Yeah.

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Here we go.

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I want to allow him to speak his piece.

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All right.

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I was talking to Dr. Steve Pechenig during the break and I was asking him specifically

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why he thinks Sandy Hook had evidence of being a false flag.

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And I'd like him now to repeat that information to you that I want to look at the geopolitical

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ramifications from his geopolitical perspective and his contacts on what's really happening

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in the world right now from Cyprus to North Korea and China.

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And he's also worked in the financial sector, so you can comment on that.

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So Doc, what is your take on on Sandy Hook?

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Is it just all the clear scripting and how they were ready minute one and now it's come

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out that Bloomberg was ready months before and then all the people that look and act

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like actors.

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What's your take as an expert on this?

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Well, this is a total script.

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It would have come out of a woman who lives in Sandy Hook who's worth $600 million and

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you can call her up.

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You can interview her name, Susan Collins.

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So first piece of evidence, Susan Collins.

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This has scripting.

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She's a writer who's written similar things and lives there.

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No good.

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She's written all the 100 game movies and the 100 game books and literally it comes

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out of her script.

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The assassination of children in schools, the assassination of children in a dystopic

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society, the fact that she had no comments, the fact that this almost came out of her

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own books on children and war.

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And secondly, you had a whole group of actors, uh, Gene Rosen who came out of the crisis

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actors group.

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I always referred my readers to IS 42 social media, emergency management, the official

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course course launched in summer by emergency management Institute, which you and I pay

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for.

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It has how the public perceives community key organization.

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In other words, there's a whole school on how to create disasters and these children

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are also taught how to create disasters.

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Gene Rosen was not only a not a psychologist, but he was also president and training over

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the theme advisor and also in Texas.

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Plus you have kids who were in the various acting schools before you also had the frontline

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very people like Vangelis, Flynn, Penn, Frank Chapman who were written about in the New

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York times and gracefully in the New York times, it kind of implied these were absurd.

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These were Irish cops who I haven't been known Connecticut because I worked at Greenwich,

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Connecticut.

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So I know San Diego very well.

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It's a white, very wealthy community filled with guns and alcohol, but there is no evidence

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of a murder or a killing.

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And in fact, what you add is a violation of the gag order, which is the prosecutorial

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evidence and everyone violated the gag order as in contrast to Aurora where the president

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respected it, the prosecutors respect it, the defense attorney, and here you had a scripted

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story about some kid who had Asperger's by the way, which is not a psychiatric disorder,

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which does not have any history other than the fact that he had guns and his mother gave

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him guns and alcohol, absolutely absurd, inconsistent, irrelevant, and very dangerous for us.

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Well, if you're going to stage fast and furious to blame the second amendment, why not?

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Why not do that?

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Obama urges quick adoption of the UN small arms treaty today.

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This is all happening right now.

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Why do they want our guns so bad?

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So you see that Alex's response to that cavalcade of bullshit is to be like, well, I mean, I

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guess if they do X, they would do this.

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And Obama is trying to push this small arms treaty.

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That's him talking himself into this.

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He's in a vulnerable position because of this globalist in a hot tub who really threw him

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off.

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And Steve is taking advantage of this.

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It is really hitting him hard.

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Yeah.

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I don't know that Alex in control of all of his faculties wouldn't behave exactly the

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same way.

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Probably.

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He probably would, but it's a bad state for him to be in.

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And you can see it.

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You can see that he's starting to be convinced.

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It probably wouldn't happen so obviously and pathetically.

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Do you think the Chrysler's Actors Guild gives you insurance?

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They have an amazing package.

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When do I get my CAG card?

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CAG.

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Yeah, that's insane.

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So Gene Rosen is the guy who the kids fled to his front yard and everyone said he was

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an over actor.

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There's not any evidence of that.

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The other pieces there were, you know, like guidelines about how to cover a disaster irrelevant

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to this as if this is how we plan disasters.

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Great misrepresentation.

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Always.

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And then at the end there he's talking about like these are Irish cops and it's a good

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white rich area.

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Show us over folks.

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Get out of here.

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And they're all saying that they are really affected by this and they get pension increases.

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That's obviously a payoff for going along with this cover up.

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They give me a little scratch.

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That is, he doesn't say it in this clip, but it relates back to other things he said.

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I believe he said it in the last episode that we covered, where he's saying that like these

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are the first Irish cops I've ever heard of who have PTSD from, and it's like, this is

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not evidence.

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No, they all do.

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We just were raised that we bottle it up down inside until we die.

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It's just flimsy shit.

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Steve's coming in with like a lot of things to say, but all of it is so weak.

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I love that he even goes over, like all that we know is that his mom gave him guns and

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alcohol and there's nothing wrong with that.

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And you're like, whoa, wait, what, huh, huh, what, no, no.

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Most if not all violence happens when guns and alcohol is involved.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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So what we see here, I think is that Alex is starting to come around, but I don't think

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that he's bought in yet.

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I think you can see that in this next clip.

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And when he starts talking about Sandy Hooks, seeing all the signs that it was totally staged,

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it just blows me away because I, you know, I can't prove it either way.

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There's a lot of suspicious signs there and a lot of issues, but, but also see that on,

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on the Aurora front, I just know this, they know that guns have made violent crime go

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down 49%.

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Not true.

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They know that.

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And they want our guns so that we can be politically dominated.

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So that's kind of indicative too of his depression that he's in, in this episode that those long

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pauses and like trying to process this stuff, he's not, he's not operating well.

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All that needs to be resolved for Alex to take up the theory that these kids didn't

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get killed are someone explaining to him that in a controlled environment, they can do this

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much better.

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They don't have to worry about it going wrong if they're not actually killing people, they

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can stage everything.

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That's super easy for Steve to do.

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And then it's easy for him to resolve this other lingering concern about Aurora.

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Like Steve could just be like, all right, yes, that was fake too.

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Why not?

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And it would even make his whole argument infinitely better if he was like, you know

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what?

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You convinced me, Alex.

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And Alex is like, I will believe anything you say!

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That would be perfect.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think at least what I see from all of my experience of Alex's psychology and how

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he comports himself, how he covers stuff, he's on the edge.

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He's teetering on the edge and all it takes is resolving a couple tiny little thoughts

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that he has in order for him to get on board.

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I think he's so primed.

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And now that you have a fucking psych warfare guy involved, you're just asking for it.

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I know!

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What kind of idiot does that?

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Never talk to someone like Steve, ever.

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You know, it's almost one of those things where I want to talk to Steve just as like

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a benchmark test of like, how good are you, Steve?

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And also, how good am I?

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See, this is how you end up- What's the test of wills?

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This is how you end up on the rocks, the sirens.

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You want to hear the song.

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I want to hear the song, dude.

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Your boat's going to crash, baby.

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Don't tie me to the mast.

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I just want to hear the song.

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So I think you're seeing Alex being seduced in this direction, but refusing to be pushed

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over the edge until a few lingering questions resolve.

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And I don't think that's going to be hard.

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I think Steve is very capable of doing that, and I think that's what we're going to see

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in the very near future.

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I think just about anybody is pretty capable of kicking him over the edge now, now that

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he's primed.

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It's got to be somebody like Steve.

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Oh, it's got to be an older man who reminds him of his dad, for sure.

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That's important, but like Jim Fexor, who wrote No One Died at Sandy Hook, wouldn't

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be able to do it.

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No.

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Because he doesn't know how to work with Alex's psychology.

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Right.

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Steve does.

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Right.

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Steve knows that what you need to do is put sugar around the pill.

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Right.

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You need to sweeten Alex up with compliments, flattery, evoking your history together of

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like, yeah, we get into conversations, we fight sometimes because we respect each other.

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You need to frame any possible disagreement as just like, well, we're both really smart.

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That's why we disagree on things.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You need to overwhelm him with flattery, and a lot of these other people who believe that

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Sandy Hook, No One Died, they wouldn't be able to convince him.

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Right, right, right.

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Because they would come at it with a position of like, I need to convince you.

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I'm correct.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whereas Steve is like, let's bring it together.

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Yeah, I'm going to bring it out of you.

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You already believe what I'm saying to you.

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I just need to bring it out.

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You know, when you're talking about a sculptor, the statue is already there.

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I'm just breaking away the marble, man.

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That's what's going on.

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Yep.

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I think when I said anybody could push him over the edge, I think what I meant was any

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policy walk could, if they put their minds to it, they could take the lessons learned

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from this show and convince Alex of some bullshit.

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I definitely think that's true.

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So we only have a couple of clips left here, and it's just some indications that Steve

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is not a good dude.

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I think that when you see, like obviously, Steve Pechenik is somebody who's up to no

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good and is meddling in Alex's life for whatever reason he has, but there's also things outside

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of even just convincing him that No One Died at Sandy Hook, convincing him that the Las

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Vegas shooting was a false flag or whatever the fuck.

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Well, he's dismissive of people on the autistic spectrum.

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That's for sure.

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Sure.

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But there's even other things, like in this next clip, I think he likes John Wilkes Booth.

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Interesting.

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Are they trying to start a civil war coming after our guns?

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Well, I think they don't even think of that in terms of a civil war.

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If they did, there would be a civil war, but they can't even, you know, this is not Abraham

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Lincoln who created a civil war, what I call the northern invasion.

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I mean, he's deified.

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I don't particularly think he is a great president.

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I think he was what was said about Wilkes Booth, sex-census tyrannism.

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He basically suppressed our freedom.

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Oh, boy.

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I...

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Ooh.

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I...

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Ooh.

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He wants to own slaves.

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I don't know.

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Steve Pechenik wants to own people.

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I don't know.

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That's a man who wants to own people.

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What greater psych warfare is there than owning a man?

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I think there's something to that.

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I don't know that that's what he's saying, but I do know that he seems to be...

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I call it the northern invasion.

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The northern invasion.

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The northern invasion.

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Then get the fuck out of my country!

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Go fucking somewhere else!

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You do see a lot of Confederate sympathies, and you expect it from Alex, but it's kind

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of weird to hear from Steve.

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Yeah, where is he...

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I mean, I know he lives in Florida.

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But where is he...

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He was raised...

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Or he was born in Cuba.

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The war at the northern invasion, as I call it.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, that's weird.

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That's very weird.

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And then this next clip, this last one, is just, I feel like this is a bit racist.

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The one thing that Obama may have done is that there's no more excuse for anybody to

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say, I'm black, and therefore I cannot do anything.

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Once you have a president who's black, that pretty much erases the notion that everybody

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was suppressed.

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It was black.

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No, no.

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Hold on.

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I can take a few calls.

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I'm just so sick of hearing about race.

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Oh.

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So sick of it.

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Hold on.

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Botanic, hold on.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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That's not how that works.

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Yep.

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He really wants to say the word uppity on a daily basis.

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He really wants to say it.

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Yeah, I feel like that's just an indication of some pretty latent deep-seated racism.

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I think the northern invasion part was pretty clear where your sympathies lie if you say

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that.

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I agree.

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That Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant and John Wilkes Booth was right on.

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John Wilkes Booth was on to something.

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I think you've already revealed how your opinions on race are going to shake out.

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I think you can hide behind a lot of ideas about taxes and stuff like that with the northern

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invasion ideas.

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But when you're expressing something like this, I think that's very clearly race-based

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and pretty fucked up.

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They call the Mexican-American war the northern fucking invasion.

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You wouldn't have a goddamn state, Alex, if it weren't for the northern fucking invasion.

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That's an interesting theory.

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So what I come away from this with is I am more convinced than ever that Alex is being

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softly led down this path to Sandy Hook denialism by Dr. Steve Pachani.

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By noted crazy person Dr. Steve Pachani.

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And so what I think based on that is that it might be a good use of our time for our

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next episode to forego going back to the present day and checking in on whatever dumb shit

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Alex is saying in 2019 and possibly taking a closer look at some of the things that Steve

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Pachanic has been involved in, taking a closer look at who is this guy?

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Is he crazy?

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What's going on?

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Which novels did he write with Tom Clancy?

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I would be interested to know which ones he's got under his belt.

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So does he have residuals?

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Does he have points on the movies?

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These are things that I want to know.

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So I guess in effect, because on Monday's episode we stumbled into Steve Pachanic showing

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up in the past, and then on this episode we see he comes back a couple days later and

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is very clearly putting forth a aggressive Sandy Hook, no one died their argument.

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It would be good to know more about him.

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Let's get into it.

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So on Friday we will be back with a Steve Pachanic breakdown.

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It's Steve Pachanic week here on the Hollywood strike.

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Just as bloody as Shark Week.

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So we'll be back with that Steve Pachanic NATO.

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I like it.

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So we will see you then.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com, Dan.

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You bet it is.

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And we are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at under knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.

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That's correct.

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We're also on Facebook.

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Indeed.

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And if you would like to listen to this podcast, you could go to iTunes, you could download

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We're also on Spotify now, but let me tell you the best place to get it.

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So what you do, you go there, you order two drinks, even though there are four people

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sitting around the table, only order two drinks.

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That's the symbol.

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That's the not symbol, the signal.

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Then the waiter is going to come out, bring to you a small drive, one of those stick drives,

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hand it to you, put it on the table, walk away, leave the restaurant.

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Don't pay for a goddamn thing.

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And that's going to be right there for you.

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That is the best way to get our exactly.

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Um, until next time though, Jordan, I am Neo.

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I am Leo.

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I am the Jesus lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.