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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating
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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray
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I have great respect for knowledgefight, knowledgefight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight
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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her
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Need, need money
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and
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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas
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Andy, Andy, it's time to pray
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us
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Hello Alex, I'm a victim caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work
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knowledgefight
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knowledgefight.com
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I love you
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Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones
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Indeed we are Dan
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Jordan
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Dan, everybody is clamoring for plantwatch 2019, how we doing?
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I don't know man, it's good, we got some flowers popping up on some of these Serrano and Thai chili plants
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Not particularly that one you're staring at there, but this one's got some flowers on it
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I have some on my kitchen window sill
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Oh yeah, I see some there
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Those have some flowers, but no fruits as of yet
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No fruits?
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No, but everything's coming along nicely, there's no real updates to make
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I think you're asking me about the plants a little too often
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A little too often? When was the last time I asked you about the plants on the show?
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It was in this apartment
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It was not, it was?
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Yes
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Oh yeah
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So how many, that's at least two weeks
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A week and a half
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As we're recording this
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Twice in a week and a half might be excessive
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I don't know how fast plants grow Dan
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Jordan, I love my plants
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I feel so stupid
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I love my plants as much as the next guy, but unless the next guy is you
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You apparently are more into them than me
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I want to know
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I'm getting excited to actually probably, I don't know when I'm going to have the time
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Because we're in a little bit of a crunch time right now with the show and stuff
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But as soon as I have a little bit of extra free time I'm going to head back down to that Home Depot
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I'm going to get a bunch more seeds, but probably non-vegetable plants
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I think I'm going to try and grow a tree
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You're going to try and grow a...
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Yeah
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Okay
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A little bonsai tree, is that what you're going to go for?
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Nah
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Oak
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Oak
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I'm going to grow oak indoors
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Full on oak
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I'm just going to buy a little seed there
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Yeah I mean since these are going pretty well I'm thinking about expanding out what is possible
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I know I've talked about growing some wild grasses
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That might not be possible
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Yeah that might be possible
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One bedroom apartment might be tough to try and create a...
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A little amaranth
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Savannah
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Yeah that might be tough
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But I am going to explore some new things, I'm excited about that
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So that's what 2020 will bring for plants
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I suppose I'm just interested to know when they're done
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Do you know what I mean?
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They're never done
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What is that, yeah, when do you pluck a pepper from your plant?
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Well what does that mean?
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You can tell, there's signs
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Fair, fine
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Because they change color
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Oh they do change color
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Yeah a lot of the time they'll come in as like
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These Thai ones will be green and they'll turn red
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Okay okay, now I'm understanding
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Yeah it's not always that way but you know you just read a little bit
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Well I'm not the one growing the plants
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That's true
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I know enough about plants to get by
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Certainly more than you
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And I know a lot about Alex Jones and that's what this podcast is about
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Exactly
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So Jordan today what we're going to be doing is we're going back to 2013
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To cover March 11th and 12th of 2013
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Sounds good
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And part of the reason for that is that we record on Sundays
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Usually earlier in the day to noon-ish
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And so right now the situation that we have in front of us is it was a terrible weekend
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A lot of bad stuff happening in the world
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Be it the El Paso shooting or the shooting in Dayton
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And I know a lot of people want to know what Alex's take on it is
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And so for our Monday episode there might be an expectation that people have
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Of like, oh they're going to cover this
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Right, like we're going to react instantly to
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Right, and I do not feel the need or think it's wise for us necessarily to knee-jerk
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And assume what Alex's narrative is going to be
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Although it will be that the globalists are behind us
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Yes of course
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As we're recording this here on Sunday in the middle of the day
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Alex hasn't done his Sunday show yet
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So there isn't really, because of our schedule there's not really a lot of content for us to cover
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So it would be kind of premature for us to try and do that for Monday
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It would be almost impossible for us to do that
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So we will cover that on Wednesday
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We'll cover present day stuff on Wednesday
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So that will be then
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Yeah, look forward to that
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Alex did put out a 16 minute video on his website on Saturday
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Defending state sponsored terrorism?
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It's waffly
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Yeah
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It's very much like, allegedly this guy did this
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And then he gets really defensive about using allegedly
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He's like, it hasn't been to court, you know, we are supposed to say allegedly
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It sounds different coming from you
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You asshole
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Yeah, yeah
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And fair point to him, you know, you are the alleged shooter
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That's proper language for journalists
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Of course, which he is not
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It does sound different coming from him
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I listened to that and I didn't think there was really enough to give anything worthwhile in terms of analysis
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His narrative hasn't formed yet and we'll know
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I don't know if his Sunday show will even really be all that concrete
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Maybe it will be, but his Monday and Tuesday shows will definitely be where he starts with the pieces together
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Especially because when he recorded that Saturday show, it was before the shooting in Dayton
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So he didn't even have that to weave into whatever he's going to bring to the table
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I just think we can do a much better job if we do that Wednesday
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So I apologize if anybody was hoping that we would do it today
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Sorry
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It happens
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Wait two days
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Yeah, we're not a news show
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No, no, we can't be held to that kind of time demand
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Otherwise we'd just do a shitty show
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Yeah
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So before we get into today's episode, again, 2013, March 11th and 12th
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We need to take a little moment here, Jordan, to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show
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So first, Joshua, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Josh
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Thanks, Joshua
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Next, Keir, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Keir
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Thank you, Keir
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Next, Tim, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, Tim
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Thanks, Tim
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It burns when I pee, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you, it burns when I pee
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Eh, thank you, I mean, yeah, thank you to the person
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Damn joke names
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Not to the pee itself
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Um, then finally I'd like to say thank you to some folks who have signed up on an elevated level
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We appreciate it very much
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So Pyrae, Heather, Taxable Income, and Urzi, thank you so much, you are all technocrats
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I'm a policy wonk
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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
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Let's just get down to business
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We ain't making that money off that heroin
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large
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I declare info war on you
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Thank you, Pyrae
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Thank you, Heather
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Thank you, Taxable Income
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And thank you, Urzi
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Thank you
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We appreciate it very much
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You are all wonderful technocrats
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Yes, thank you very much
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If you're listening and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these dudes do
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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com
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clicking the button that says support the show
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It would be kind
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We would appreciate it
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So last we left off in 2013, Jordan, Alex was on a large vacation
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He had been gone for over a week
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And so we took the opportunity to delve into David J. Smith
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A Christian identity preacher that Alex has been listening to for years
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And so now we jump back to when Alex gets back from vacation
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March 11th, he's in studio and he is rusty
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I thought he would be coming back with some hot fire
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No, no, no, I think he's excited
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Okay
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He's eager for the fray
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Uh-huh
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But he is not good at this
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Okay
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Let me just try to do this
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You know, I've tried this a million times, failed every time
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Let's be serious, I've tried a thousand plus times and failed every time
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I'm going to try to just read to you headlines
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Maybe just 50 of them or so
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Instead of the 300 plus I've got here
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Because I've been really psychoanalyzing myself
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Have you?
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At night, in the morning, when I get to work
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I'll just pour over hundreds of articles
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And almost get into a fractured mindset
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Where I've got so many things in my mind
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It's hard to focus in on one big subject and really cover that topic in detail
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And that's a good thing at certain levels
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Because it shows how things are interconnected
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Is it?
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But then when you don't get to even 10% of what you want to cover
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It's a real frustration
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You know why he had a pause there?
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Because he was about to say, it's a beautiful mind
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Kind of thing
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And he didn't want to imply what that implies
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Yeah
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What he's describing is like he sits around and reads headlines
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And makes tenuous connections between things
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And then when he gets on air he knows like, oh this is going to sound stupid
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Yeah
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At best that's what he's saying
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You shouldn't admit that you're pouring over headlines and not anything else
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Shouldn't you be like, I read a bunch of articles
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I think he uses headlines hoping that it's a stand-in for content
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Yeah
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But it's not
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So this characterizes the beginning of the show
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He's like, I...
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I'm all over the place
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What do I cover?
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I am out of my mind
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Yeah
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So here we go, we get to what his headline, leading story is
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And it's actually really interesting
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Because there's a really good story he could tell here
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But he tells the wrong story
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Okay it's great to be officially back
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I mean I was back yesterday for the Sunday show
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But here we are on the big weekday show
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Let me just try to go over the stacks
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How's that sound?
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Let me just start, because I'm trying to figure out what the top story is to me
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I don't just go with whatever the national news top story is
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Take that national news
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I go with what I believe the top story is
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Of course you can tell what you think is most important
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A lot of times callers call in or we get emails or see comments
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Saying, hey why didn't you cover this?
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And that becomes our top story because I agree with you, I think it's important
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The DOT is on the road
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Homeless
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Houston veterans cited for dumpster diving in search for food
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That's news 92 FM, they have a copy of the ticket
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And they've banned feeding the homeless in Houston
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So they just say, what do they do, die?
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And what a sign of an amazing tyranny
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Such an amazing tyranny
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You can really tell that Alex is kind of rusty here
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Because he's back from vacation
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And his mind is still in Barton Springs or wherever he went
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He's spinning his wheels knowing that he has a big pile of paper in front of him
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But he doesn't have any narratives that have any momentum carrying over from the previous day
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Generally speaking, when his show has
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You have these narratives that you built yesterday that you build upon or you pivot from
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That's sort of the routine in his show
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But when you come from a clean break
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That week plus break has hit the skids for any narratives that he was spinning before
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His big gigantic investigative report that he was teasing hasn't materialized
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And he's just completely forgotten about it
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Not a surprise
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The PR blitz from fighting Piers Morgan and having Michael Savage on the show
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Has died down because of that week plus he was gone
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He's got to get going from a complete standstill
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And this is how that looks
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I'll say that he makes a fair point
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That he doesn't just take his news as talking points from the mainstream media
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That is fair
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Though it's laughable for him to say that he just covers what he thinks is important
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Multiple times we've heard him literally say on the show that he's just reading headlines from Drudge
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He gets his talking points from Drudge
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Pretty much
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In an instance that is all too rare
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I find myself superficially agreeing almost completely with Alex
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It's ridiculous that this homeless man in Houston got a ticket for scavenging for food in a trash can
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That is terrible
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However when we start to examine what we think is bad about the situation
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That's when we disagree with Alex
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Exactly
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Right right right
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His take on it is that this is government tyranny on display
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My take on it is that when humans are eating out of trash cans
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We have a problem whether they get a ticket for it or not
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Yeah
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Alex doesn't have any solutions outside of just saying that churches and charities
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Should voluntarily solve the problem
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As if those groups aren't already making large contributions to housing and feeding those experiencing homelessness
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He refuses to accept that there's a better solution
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Because the actual solution is completely against his political beliefs
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And Houston is actually a perfect example of that
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In 2011 Houston reached its peak in terms of the homeless population at 8,538
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And punitive rules about sleeping in public and scavenging for food were not having the desired effect
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What?
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Ultimately those rules just criminalize being homeless
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So you end up incarcerating homeless people which costs the taxpayers more
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No it's cheaper
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Or giving them tickets they can't pay which can ultimately lead to their incarceration
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Or driving them off to some other city where they can become someone else's problem
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None of the possible outcomes of that strategy offers an actual solution
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And Houston learned that lesson
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In 2010 the Department of Housing and Urban Development had chosen Houston as a priority city
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Based on its high rate of people living without homes
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They took the time to analyze the issues, set up some infrastructure
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Then in 2011 they began implementing
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And their plans have paid off massively
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In 2019 the rate of homelessness has dropped in Houston by 54%
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And a lot of that is directly attributable to federal assistance
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And most importantly a coordinated approach
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Since 2012 Houston has housed approximately 17,000 people
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Mike Nichols, interim CEO of the Coalition of the Homeless in Houston and Harris County
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Told the Texas Tribune
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If you have a homeless person and you put them in a permanent supportive housing
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And simultaneously give them social, behavioral and health support services
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92% of them will be stable in that facility
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Houston represents a model people interested in homelessness and housing issues
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Could learn a lot from and many of them have
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But learning anything from it requires you to let go of your insistence
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That the federal government shouldn't do anything
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If you're supposedly anti-homelessness and anti-government doing anything
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And you learn that federal coordination and aid has been shown to be incredibly effective
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In addressing the problem of homelessness
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You have to either drop your anti-government position
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Or accept that you really don't have that big of a problem
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Not having anywhere to live
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I suspect that this is the case for Alex
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This isn't a story he's covering because he cares about this man in Houston
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He just sees it as an opportunity to use this man's misfortune
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To attack the government
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Which I think is very shitty
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Also the charges were dropped against the man in Houston
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And his case actually led to a larger conversation in Houston
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Where Mayor Anise Parker helped usher through repeals of laws
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That criminalize behaviors like digging in the trash
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That were kind of archaic holdovers to begin with
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So what you have here is a really interesting case study
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That Alex is not interested in at all
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A very successful strategy that has been used
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To effectively help people get back on their feet in many ways
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Yeah, I mean, you go back to
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Now it's just becoming so obvious
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But it does seem like the cruelty is the point
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Forcing people, you know, the rich always think that they can starve the poor into doing what they want
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Into the right behaviors
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Yeah, exactly
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And it's just so fucking stupid and cruel
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Yeah, and it's interesting because I don't think that's what's motivating Alex here at all
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I think he doesn't care about a compassionate, holistic approach
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Right, of course not
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To the problem
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But I don't think that's based in cruelty in 2013
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I think it's based in his desire to demonize the government
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Like, that's his priority
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Now, today, maybe he would be like, fuck this man
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Fuck this dude digging in the trash, he should be hurting
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Right, right, right, right
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Maybe
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Especially if it was an immigrant
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But, yeah, it's interesting to see that
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You know, like, the cruelty doesn't pervade nearly as much
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Right
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No, he does seem to have at least some kind of, like, basic human empathy there
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Of, like, come on, man, really?
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This guy is diving in a dumpster for food because he's starving
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And you guys are going to charge him 300 bucks
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It's kind of an elementary level of it
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And I'm sure he never got back on air and gave, like, a clarification that the ticket was dropped
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Right
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Oh, no, absolutely
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I'm sure he doesn't
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But, like, yeah, it is still coming from a place that's close to where you'd want it to be
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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At least it's, again, surface level on the right side of this
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Right, right, right, right, of course
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So, anyway
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Yeah, and you just cannot explain to the people, like, you cannot explain to them that it's cheaper to just house homeless people
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Cheaper and better
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And better, yeah
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They have to have this, like, well, it's unfair because I pulled myself up from my bootstraps or whatever the fuck they want to do
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Yeah
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But it's just, fuck Reagan
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Yeah
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That's what we're talking about
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Yeah
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Fuck Reagan, get him
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Yeah
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So, I have two clips coming up here from this March 11th episode that are, like, the content of it does not matter
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Don't worry about the content of it
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Okay
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It's stupid
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I don't know how often I am worried about the content of things
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That's fair
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These are not consequential stories
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Okay
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Anyway, the way Alex is covering them is stupid
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But they illustrate something about his style of broadcast that I've always wanted to kind of illustrate
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But I haven't really found really good example clips that are just, like, this is a boil down of him
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Here is Alex reading a headline and then patting himself on the back thinking he's covered a story
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This is a 20 second clip
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Okay
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There's another article
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Second drone spotted over New York, speaking in New York
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UAV reported within three miles of LaGuardia airport
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They've already had him crash, they've already had him almost run into airplanes over Denver
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That's top DrudgeLink, left hand side, DrudgeReport.com right now
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So, but I've covered three articles now
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Let's continue to try to get into more
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So that is covering an article?
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He just basically read a headline and then sort of speculated about other things
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Yeah
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You know, they've also had drones crash, alright
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Alright
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And he's just reading from Drudge
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Right, so we're doing a lightning round of headlines and he's like, oh gotcha, like it's a game show
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Yeah, yeah
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Jesus, what an idiot
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It hit the clock, I covered it
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Alright
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We're playing speed chess
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That's sad
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It's pathetic
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Yeah
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It really is pathetic
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Like without any, like he doesn't read the first line, at least the first line of the paragraph to pretend
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Before any analysis, what's the context of the story, what's behind it, why is this interesting
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Uh, nothing, just I covered it
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Got it, three down, next
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Good job, Alex
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Next one, no whammies, boom
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Alex, you still got it
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So this next clip, he's talking about the immortal cell lines that researchers have
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It's very complicated and I don't want to get into it, it's not important
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Fair
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I believe we've talked about it in a past episode and Alex, his take on it is very stupid
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This is another thing I wanted to demonstrate, which is we talk a lot about how Alex cannot stop citing movies
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But what's interesting is he's also often defensive that people think that he gets all of his ideas from movies
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Right
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Of course he is, because he does
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So this clip is really fascinating because he starts off by being like, talking about this immortal cell line, this Lazarus cell
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Yeah, yeah
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And then he's like, I know you all are going to think that I got this from I Am Legend
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And then watch where this clip goes
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Okay
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You're going to think that the movie that came out a few years ago, I Am Legend, you're going to think, wait, you got this from I Am Legend
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No, I didn't
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No, I didn't
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Okay
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20 years ago, they put out, more than 20 years ago, they put out white papers that are public, and I'm going to go over some of them
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He doesn't
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Where they knew that the key to immortality in their belief, this is the establishment, if you control trillions, you're worth billions
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You've had every sex you can imagine, you've got everything, you own mountaintops, jet copters, what do you want?
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What's the one thing you want?
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Human affection
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More life
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Oh
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What does Roy Batty tell the head of the Tyrell Corporation?
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I want more life
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That was a movie
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Expletive
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Ah, the facts of life
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Alex, that was a movie
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That's Blade Runner
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That's, wow
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Yeah
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Wow
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I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about I Am Legend, I am talking about
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I'm talking about Blade Runner
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It would only be better if he was like, I'm talking about the Omega Man starring Vincent Price, you idiots, Will Smith sucks
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Well it also makes me question, did Blade Runner come out 20 years before this?
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Like, he's talking about the globalist put out white papers 20 years before
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Is he talking about Blade Runner?
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That was, what, that was the mid 80s, right?
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I think so
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Yeah, Jesus
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I don't know
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Oh man
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Too hard to say, but I just, I need to crystallize that thought process
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Where he's defensive about people thinking he's taking things from movies
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What do the globalists want? They want more life, and I'm going to cite a different movie
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Yep
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He can't get away from them
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Fooled ya
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Gotcha
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I guess, to be fair, he's not getting it from I Am Legend
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This is insanity
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So when Alex has come back from vacation, right?
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He's been out of studio, but he got back on Sunday
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And I listened to that episode, and we don't have any clips of it because it was generally just incredibly boring
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Yeah
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A lot of it has to do with him getting into a little bit of a fight with some cops at South by Southwest
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Sure, sure, of course he did
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But none of it seemed real, so I don't really, I don't want to take too much time on it
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But to suffice, he went down to South by Southwest and he was trying to hand out copies of his Infowars magazine
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If you believe his version of the story, the out of control Gestapo police tried to stop him and told him that he can't have bumper stickers on his car
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Which is clear evidence that we live in an out and out police state
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Sounds right
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Alex refused to accept this tyranny, and the police backed down because they were afraid of him
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Sure
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With some of them even giving Alex a thumbs up for his heroism
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Sure, gotcha, that sounds true
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Most likely what actually happened is that the police told him that his car was clearly a commercial vehicle
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And that he was promoting his business by handing out his product
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And that was prohibited in the area that he was in without a permit
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It would be no different if he was a food vendor parked somewhere without proper permitting and giving out free samples
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His van didn't just have a bumper sticker, it probably had a bunch, maybe even a side decal
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And they were probably handing magazines out from the back of the van
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It's not like they could just be walking around carrying tons of magazines, they're fucking heavy
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So I don't see the reality of the version he is telling
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But he claims that he got into it with these guys who were trying to give him a ticket and he got him back down
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Anyway, on this episode Alex embellishes the story even further
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To the point where now he's arguing that his actions caused a revolt within the police department
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Okay
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Of dudes who just refused to oppress his free speech
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The entire police department
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Absolutely, there was a police revolt
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Was it a coup? Did the police chief get overthrown?
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I think it might count as a mini coup
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A mini coup?
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Yeah
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And then they were banning our free speech in Austin or trying to order the police to do it
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We learned there was a police revolt
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I didn't hear this from the police, I learned it from CB, I wonder if all the cops were smiling at me when I showed up
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To demonstrate against the South by Southwest
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And then I later talked to CBS and they had all the big sheets from the interview
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I don't think it even aired though
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Where they talked to the cops and the cops said, well, we made the determination that the ordinance does not say that they can't hand stuff out
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They had a big fracas though because they had the city of Austin come down with code enforcement
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And try to order the police to give people tickets
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But they did give warnings and then say, you know, we're not even doing that
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Now, by the time I got back to Austin, I drove back a day early because of this
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I didn't know all this and I showed up, about 100 people showed up real quick
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Just off an internet announcement, you know, for an impromptu flash demonstration
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And News 8 Austin was out there, a bunch of others were out there
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It may have aired, I don't really watch television so I don't know, I haven't looked it up
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But I haven't heard about it so maybe, did News 8 Austin or CBS cover it?
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Let's check that
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Now we can talk about it, I'll show you on South by Southwest and it'll pop up
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Production readings would help this show
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Yeah, you could do this off air
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So Alex didn't check the news to see if they covered his noble victory over censorship and tyranny
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So he has an employee look it up
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And it turns out that they did end up covering the South by Southwest pamphlet issues
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They're giving out pamphlets of people getting tickets for it
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Right, pamphlet gate
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But there's a slight twist when they actually find the story
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Oh, it was picked up by KI, pamphlet ordinance not enforced during South by Southwest
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And so they did cover it
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Strangely enough, we're not even in this report
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Uh oh
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Okay, it's a side issue for national listeners
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Yeah, it certainly is
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It's a real issue for you
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Yeah, but you didn't make it into the news so
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This is a story about a singer-songwriter who was giving out flyers for a show
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In the area that South by Southwest had like permits for
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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So the festival like doesn't allow people to give out flyers
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Yeah, they don't like that
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And the police came and were going to give them a ticket and then they decided not to
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That's what the story was that was covered in the CBS article
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That's an exciting story
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Zero mention of Alex, which you would think would be in the news if
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If he led a police revolt, hell yeah it would be in the news
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Oh, he sparked a police revolt
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Yeah, absolutely
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Yeah, so that's kind of a problem
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That is a little, it's a little bit of a dick move to
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Like that'd be like if I was running a comedy show and somebody came and stood outside
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And gave out flyers for a comedy show across the street
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It is a bit of a dick move, but at the same time there's so many problems with the way South by Southwest
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Of course
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Like run their sort of talent relations
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There's all kinds of stories you can find about them blacklisting people for performing in venues
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In the city, during the festival that aren't approved
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You know, there's all kinds, I don't know if I 100% sign off on anything they do
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Yeah, no, I mean Lollapalooza does the same thing
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There are so many bands that just do not play in Chicago unless they're at Lollapalooza
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Because if they do, Lollapalooza will just, nope, you're not allowed
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And I don't think that that's healthy for the greater artistic community
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And so I am against that
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But I am for people telling Alex to hit the bricks
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Take those magazines elsewhere, asshole
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And I am against police revolts if they are on Alex's side
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Yeah, generally, I think that's probably a good decision
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So another thing that's happened, probably while Alex was on vacation
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Maybe right around this time, is that Dennis Rodman has gone over to North Korea
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This was then! Oh my god, we live in a stupid world even then
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So Alex is pretty mad about this
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And one of the things that I wanted to highlight, particularly in this episode
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Is Alex, this is 2013
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Yeah
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A scant few years later, he's going to be thrilled with Trump saying he loves Kim Jong-un
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Oh yeah, opening up relations, yeah
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I just think that it's really interesting to see how much Alex hated Kim Jong-un in 2013
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So here is Alex talking a little bit about his feelings towards the North Korean dictator
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They say Kim Jong-un is just obsessed with Hollywood
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And that's all he does is read Hollywood magazines and watch TV all day
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I mean, what an obscenity
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I mean, I would just love, love to get in a room with that guy
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I mean, I would just love it, wouldn't you love
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Because I'm not somebody that dreams about beating the hell out of people
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But I would love, just let me punch him two or three times
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I guarantee ya
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Alright, I'm going to fantasize here
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Imagine an uppercut to that nose, full power
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I mean, just give it absolute caveman swing
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The nose would completely be off the nose
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What are we doing here?
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And then right into those teeth
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And then just slam that head on the ground
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Imagine that bouncing like a basketball
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I mean, I'm sorry
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I gotta admit, I look at that tyrant and I have fantasies
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You know all the people they string up and torture and all the kids and women
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Because reportedly they're into women
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That's what him and his daddy are reportedly into, torturing them to death
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You should stop escalating this
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This doesn't seem like a person who you're going to find detente with
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This doesn't seem...
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This seems like somebody you're graphically fantasizing about killing with your fists
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And someone who, you know, whether or not they soften their present behavior
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Have behaved in such a way in the past that you cannot accept them as someone who you can have relations with
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Yep, but four years later, if your guy loves him, then I love him too
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So fucking stupid
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I hate these people so much
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It's not to say that Alex loves Kim Jong-un now
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It's just that his position is so different
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It's so different
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It's crazy
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It's insane to me what Trump is able to change in him
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I mean, it's just...
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What's the point if everything we do
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It's like with Trump's tweets, whenever everybody's like
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Trump says this and then you can go back and find a tweet from the Obama years
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Where he says that exactly what he's doing is 100% evil
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It's just such bullshit
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Right, I mean, let's say a politician that we like wins in 2020
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And then a year later, all of a sudden, they're like
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You know what? Alex Jones is pretty fucking awesome
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It's not like we're going to then on the podcast be like
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Guys, Alex is the best
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That might be extreme
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But advocate for a position that we're explicitly against
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It's not like we're going to be like
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Well, got to say, we love it
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If Elizabeth Warren gets elected and then she's like
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Also, we're bringing socialist policies into this government
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But we are going to ramp up separating children from their parents at the border
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There's no way I'm supporting her
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It's done
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Goodbye
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Alex is not like that
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He's also mad at Rodman for going over there
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Which is good on him, I guess
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I have an instinct to want to put bad people down
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Do you?
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And I don't do that to sound tough or whatever
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I have a problem just being honest how I feel
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And looking at that punches my buttons really, really bad
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It punches my buttons really, really bad
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And I love the fact that Dennis Rodman was thrown out of a bar
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What?
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I mean that guy, let me tell you man
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It'd be one thing if he went and was very solemn
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And it was actually an ambassador, it'd still be a joke
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And said what you're doing is wrong and everything
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Then I would say wow, the guy actually did something
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Instead he went and groveled and said he was a great guy and all this
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When the guys, him and his family had like 10 million people's blood on their hands
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Oh man, this is sad
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And I've read about the confirmed reports about how the lower half class
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Are put in pens as animals and their kids are taken and sent to another camp
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Oh my god
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So there's no family
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I can't handle this
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And the things they do and the medical experiments
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And all of it, the dehumanization, I think of the millions
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And the fact that when you look at their officers
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They all have the same demonic look in their eye
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Of just craven death worship
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And I just absolutely want to annihilate them, don't you?
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No, not annihilate, no
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It seems like Alex has really embraced that the United States is worse than North Korea right now
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Because he hates the policy of separating children from their families
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And putting them into a different camp
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He thinks that's a fucking crime against humanity
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Jordan, what you don't understand is that the good people at ICE and Border Patrol
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Don't have the evil demonic look in their eyes
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I really have seen them in the videos
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And they really do have an evil demonic look in their eyes
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It's terrifying
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It's very subjective as an assessment of people
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Fair, I'm sorry, I apologize
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It does seem like evil demonic eyes is probably less important
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Than sharing a meme of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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Right
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And their, ugh
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It's actually shocking to hear a clip like that
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It really is
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It's legitimately
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It's two on the nose
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It's parody
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It's super bizarre
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It's parody
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Well, yeah, I mean it's
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You just couldn't
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It would be lazy writing if I was going to write a fucking SNL sketch
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And I wrote this
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People would be like, fuck off, that's so unrealistic
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The backstory of a propagandist defending X
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Yeah
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Yelling about X in the past
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Yeah
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Is just
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These sort of examples are
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Legion
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The thing that's amazing about it is it's so common
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It's so common
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In Alex's past
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Yeah
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It's literally
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Just indicative of how little he cares
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Oh
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He does not give a fuck
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So, he talks a little bit more here about North Korea
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You know they've got missiles over there
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Yes
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And a lot of them keep blowing up on the pad
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Right
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At this point
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And Alex believes
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X
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I should say he knows
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Okay, well, it's
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Okay
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He knows
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Okay
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These are not failures to launch
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These are not missile problems
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Matthew McConaughey is not involved
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They are being shot down by lasers
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That doesn't sound right either
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If this sounds a little Project Camelot-y to you
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It is
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Because this is the same sort of argument I've heard from people on Project Camelot
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Okay
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But Alex knows it to be the case
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And he has some proof
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Which leads to a very weird personal story
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The point is, is that that's why they now have this
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And have missiles that keep blowing up on the launch pad
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Let me tell you folks, I've watched how they've blown up
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They've clearly got space-based and aircraft-based lasers
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That sounds right
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That can shoot from hundreds of miles away and blow those things up
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They are blowing them up
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And that's why the White House came out on Saturday and said
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We can shoot down those missiles
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Yeah, no kidding
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I mean, they had 30 years ago DC-10s
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With giant chemical lasers
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The entire length of the jet aircraft
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Is he talking Star Wars?
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That are like Star Wars
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I mean
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There we go
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Particle beam
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You're gone
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Shoot right through armor
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You name it
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Very powerful
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Regular laser would just bounce off
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It's particle beam
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Sure
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It's a chemical laser with a cyclotron in it
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A small superconducting supercollider
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It's like a rail gun, but it's small particles
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And it heats up
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The reason I know is, of all people
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My dad got a career in high school
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To build a primitive particle beam
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They were handing out things like that then
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He was top of his class
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And he built a small particle laser
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And was blowing stuff up in the backyard
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I can't believe I'm saying this
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It sounds so crazy
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It's actually true
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And he didn't wear the proper safety glasses
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He had welding glasses on, wasn't enough
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Particles went in
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And his eyes got burned
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He was blind for about three weeks
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Had to wear bandages
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Didn't know he had his eyesight back
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And his eyes went from blue to green
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But it really burns
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It burned the front of his eye
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I think your dad was lying to you
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And he has like yellow burns on his eye
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But I don't know why I'm telling that story now
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Okay, anyways
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I'm going to do a special on lasers very soon
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Believe me, it's going to be a viral video
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I'm excited for that special on lasers
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I don't know if he ever made that special on lasers
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I doubt he did
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I bet he did
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He's a man of his word
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He's going to get to those articles though
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I don't know if I believe this story
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But what's interesting about it is
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I don't know who the liar is
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His dad or Alex?
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I don't know if his dad told him that story
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And he's repeating it
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Or if his dad said something similar to it
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Because I could believe his dad
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When he was in high school
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Was into science stuff
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He ends up being a dentist
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It makes sense that he might have been on
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Some sort of a science path
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Yeah, why not?
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Maybe he did some low level experiments
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With not a fucking real gone laser
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Particle beam?
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Yeah, no, I doubt it
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But I could believe he did some science experiments
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And maybe one of them blew up or something
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Yeah
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That tracks
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But the embellishment
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Alex, you know
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And we've heard him consistently
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Hero worship and exaggerate his dad's feats
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He's the second smartest person in the state of Texas
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The globalists tried to enlist him
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The CIA dentist, the whole thing
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Yeah, so it makes sense that maybe his dad
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Told him some stories of science experiments
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That he did when he was younger
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That Alex has turned this into
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He was working on a particle beam
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And it burned his eyes green
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Well, I mean it also would make sense
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For the father of somebody
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Or the person who created an Alex Jones
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To be also a pathological liar
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And his son is in the crosshairs
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He's clearly much smarter than Alex though
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Because he never comes on air
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Yeah, that's true
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We have very little insight into
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Like what he's actually like
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Or was like
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Right
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Well it would be a breach of ethics
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For the HR director to go on air
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He wasn't HR director at this point
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I don't think
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I think that's more
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I think he's still a practicing dentist
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Okay
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In 2013
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I think so
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I'm not entirely
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Alex is a little muddy about the timeline
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Gotcha
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He claims that he retired because of Obamacare
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Sure, sure, sure
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I'm not sure that that's the case
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Okay
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Either way
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We got some more about North Korea here
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Here we go
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Alex has a couple of bold claims
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About North Korea
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The first one has to do with
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Food issues
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And I've done deep analysis
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North Korea is its own Looney Tune land
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And it's not just intel
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And years of study
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It's I can look at those people
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They are just in another world
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Driving around in 57 Chevys
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And they can't even tie their shoelaces
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I mean they sell
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This was even in Vanity Fair confirmed
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The only meat for sale for the small middle class
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Is dead babies
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And dead people
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And that's what they serve is human flesh
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I mean it's just total cuckoo land
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I don't know if I believe that
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I'm going to go with
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He is saying that the country of North Korea is
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A cannibalist state
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They don't know how to tie their shoes
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And they're full of cannibals
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They're actual cannibals
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This is very reminiscent of
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Sort of old timey views of colonial countries
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I was about to say
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Are we in the 1600s
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And somebody is going to Africa
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And coming back and being like
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They're savages
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And we have the full dominion to take over
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Well he did say he wants to annihilate them
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Yeah that's true
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I think he views North Koreans
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Let's say some American comes over
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And they end up in a pot
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And they're just cutting carrots in it
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Like a Looney Tunes
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He is saying it's a Looney Tunes
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That's true
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I don't know how much I believe this
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So you got this sort of nonsense
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And then you got this last clip here
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Where Alex talks about Kim Jong Un
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And I would say that this is again
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Reinforcing the idea that
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No matter what happens
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He can't really rationalize
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Coming to any kind of agreement with him
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There's no way for Alex's position in 2013
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To ever soften
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Whatever demonic angel
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Satan has over North Korea
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It's probably Satan himself
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Whatever principality
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The Bible says he has a certain demon over each city
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Because the devil has his top angels
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Whatever one is there infests the leader
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Because I'm telling you
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His son is now possessed
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He has the same demonic look
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Jack-o-lantern look
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That the other leaders have
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I'm serious
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Look at it
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He is possessed
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So Kim Jong Un is possessed
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Possibly by Satan himself
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Right
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Probably
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Probably by Satan himself
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Absolutely
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Yeah
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Okay
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I don't know about this
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Does he
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He knows that the North Korean people
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Aren't like stoked
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Right
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A lot of them are pretty not cool
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With this whole thing
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Yeah
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So like desiring to annihilate North Korea
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As opposed to
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I want to be clear
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When he said annihilate them
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I think he was mostly talking about the people in charge
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Okay
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I don't think he was talking about everybody in North Korea
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That would be an unfair way for us to characterize his comments
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Okay
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Then I misinterpreted that
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Right
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I think it's easy to do because he speaks so brashly
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And stupidly
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Yeah
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But yeah I think he was mostly talking about
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You know not just Kim Jong Un but also the people in the police forces
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Yeah
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Yeah
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So you might have heard a person in the background there sort of chiming in with like yeah
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That's because this was talking to a caller
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He's taking some calls here at the end of the show
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Most of them are kind of like that
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Who gives a shit
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Yeah
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But he does take one call that really really troubled me
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Now let's go to Zachary in Florida
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You're on the air
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Go ahead sir
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Welcome
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Hi Alex
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How you doing
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Pretty good brother
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I've been listening to your show for about two years
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And I'm only fourteen
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And I absolutely love your work
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You do an excellent job
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This is when you get this person off the phone
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He's fourteen?
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He's been listening for two years and loves Alex's work
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A twelve year old is not equipped to deal with the sort of
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I mean information warfare
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It's called info wars
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He's not capable of understanding what Alex is talking about
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Even from just a surface level
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He's not capable of deciphering Alex's lies
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He probably doesn't have access to the abilities
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And the emotional maturity that's required to
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Understand what Alex is talking about
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This is really dangerous
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Well we see, I mean on a daily basis now
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We see what happens when you have children exposed
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To this kind of right wing nationalist propaganda
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You know, that's, what else happens?
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If a twelve year old told me
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Or a fourteen year old even
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Told me that they liked our show
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What I would do is ask to talk to their parents
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And I would tell them
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Don't let them listen to our show
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Do something to, like if you want to listen to the show
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When you're older
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Great, love it
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We need listeners
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Hopefully we'll be around in eight years
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Whenever it's appropriate
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I would prefer to have less listeners
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Than people who are not able to understand
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The subject matter
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Because it's too easy to be such a negative influence
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In people's lives
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Unintentionally, probably, maybe
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But still a negative influence
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This kid can't integrate this information
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And it could lead him to making decisions that are
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Dangerous
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Absolutely
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And not just for us but for others
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So his whole call is about how his YouTube channel is being censored
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Which is kind of weird
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Considering that's now what Alex complains about a lot
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And all the right wing is
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Oh boy
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Yeah, I don't know
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His story doesn't make a ton of sense
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But something about, like he posted that video
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Of George H.W. Bush saying New World Order
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And he got hit with a copyright claim
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Eh, that's not really being censored
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But the issue is that Alex doesn't
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Like, try to moderate
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You know, he doesn't try
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When you have a fourteen year old who calls in
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Who's gung ho for what you
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You need to talk them down a little bit
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Bring them to a rational center
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As opposed to being like
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You know they are trying to take out the little guys on YouTube
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Don't reinforce and feed into it
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That's abusive
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Hey Alex, I am filled to the gills
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With hormones that I can't control or understand
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Forcing me to make decisions that
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I'm certainly going to regret later
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As do all human beings
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Especially teenage boys
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So please tell me
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Where I should direct all of this anger towards
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And make these bad decisions at
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Globelists
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Thank you, I will go commit violent acts
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So, we're done with the eleventh now
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We get to the twelfth
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And this first clip
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I think is clearly indicative of
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Why a twelve year old should not be listening
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To this show
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When I heard this I was like
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Uh oh
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Now, you know Professor Griff
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Is in the Obama deception
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One of the more famous individuals in hip hop out there
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And one of the founders of Public Enemy
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And I know that he's an off and on listener
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Cause I've heard shows where he's talked about the broadcast
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Where he's plugged the Obama deception
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In some of his big concerts
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Cause I've seen it in the LA Times
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And we're talking to one of his
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Managers, cohorts, friends
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And reportedly he's on at noon today
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But we haven't been in contact with him in a few days
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And they're on tour and there's much stuff going on
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So we'll see if that happens in the second hour today
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Professor Griff
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Ninety percent coming on the show
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So Professor Griff may or may not be on the show
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Right
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I don't want ever
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For a twelve year old
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To hear Professor Griff talk
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Okay
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Listen to Public Enemy's albums
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Fine
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Don't listen to Professor Griff
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Give a lecture
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Gotcha
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For reasons that we'll get into later
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Because spoiler alert
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Professor Griff does show up
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Okay
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But that's the kind of show that we got here
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Like Professor Griff is going to get an unquestioning
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And really
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In a laudatory platform
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A platform, Alex is so into celebrities who are
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So marginalized that they're willing to talk to him
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Yeah
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And so anybody is
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Professor Griff is one of the most important people in hip hop
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According to Alex
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Which is a necessary thing for him to say
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Because he's the person in hip hop who will talk to Alex
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Yeah
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It's just, it's a mess
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Such a mess
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That
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Now thinking about it in the context of the
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The very beginning of the show whenever he has that
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Violent fucking fantasy of beating up Kim Jong Un
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And you think of a 12 year old listening to that
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Seeing that this is legitimized behavior for an adult to have
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Like it's fucked up
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That's awful
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Yep
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That's really really awful
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The cycle of toxic masculinity just never ends
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Yep
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So in this next clip Alex is discussing how his show is too short
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That can't be true
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As someone who listens to it, it is not
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He is just misusing time
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You could condense it to a half hour
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It's a classic case of misallocation of resources
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Yeah
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He could easily get all the content he needs to get out easily
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In the time that he has available
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But he wants to extend the show because you'll see
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Okay
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I'm so out of control folks, I don't plug my own sponsors
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I refuse all this advertising money
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Because I just will not even mention the stuff on air even though we need the money
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I skip network breaks even though the network says please stop doing it
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I just can't help it
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You understand that's thousands of dollars every time I do that
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Because I'm just so dedicated to covering info
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And I get so wound up
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I ought to just have the show go back to 4 or 5 hours
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No
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But then I get completely burnt out and then can't
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It's just, it's insane
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It's insane wanting to really free humanity
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And knowing all the globalist tricks
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And knowing I'm right
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And knowing the globalist wheels behind wheels
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Plans within plans
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Knowing their playbook
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And it's so frustrating
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I just want the general public to have the playbook
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So you can be empowered
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I want you to win
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So this is a really interesting clip to me
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Because I hear this sentiment coming up from Alex more and more frequently
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In this 2013 stretch of time that we're going over
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He knows he's right about everything
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And he's super fucking frustrated
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Because no one else seems to think that he's right about everything
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One conclusion a person in that situation could reach
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Is that they're not in fact right about everything
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And that their feelings that they are might be based in delusions of grandeur
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Alex is unwilling to consider that possibility
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So he goes the other route
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There's just too much news
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And the struggles of being a radio host are so straining
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That he doesn't have the time to explain it all to people
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So they can be free
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Here's how I know he's full of shit
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He's been on air for like 18 years at this point
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He's had plenty of time to explain the globalist plan in exhaustive detail
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And impart literally all the information he would need to make clear his day
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That he is right
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If he wanted to, he could take an entire week of his show
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And just get into the weeds with it
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Like really lay out the names, dates, and specific citations and everything
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That would be 15 hours on air
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And if that isn't enough, he can go into overdrive
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He has literally no one stopping him from broadcasting
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Exactly as long as it takes for him to coherently teach his class
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You're missing it, Dan
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Sure the globalist plans are long term
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But they're always throwing in new wrinkles
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You can never fully explain the globalist playbook
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But the plan is timeless
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Ah, it is timeless
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The reason he doesn't do this is that he doesn't want to show his cards
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And have his audience know where he's getting his ideas from
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Some of it's just made up
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Some of it's clear misrepresentations of things that are real
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And some of it, probably more than anyone should be comfortable with
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Is just the protocols of the Elders of Zion
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Alex knows damn well that he can just yell about Carol Quigley or John P. Holdren
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And then move on to another topic without anyone getting too suspicious
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But if you were really to dive in and try to analyze those texts
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And make his points, his argument would crumble in real time in front of his audience
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The second reason he doesn't do it is that it would be painfully boring to the audience that he's cultivated
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Tons of the people you talk to who have ever listened to Alex's show
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They say things like
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I don't know if I agree with him, but it's fun when he yells
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Alex knows that to keep an audience, which allows him to continue making ad revenue
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He needs to yell and distract and jump from topic to topic
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He needs to keep a steady supply of white identity fueled outrage coming
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In the form of misleading and overly simplified headlines
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If he really buckled down and tried to get into the details
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He knows damn well that half his audience is turning the dial
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And there go his plans to buy a new boat
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Market pressures dictate that in order to maintain his standard of living
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He can't even try to take the time to explain the quote-unquote globalist playbook
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That he's convinced himself he understands better than anyone else on Earth
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But there was a time when that wasn't the case
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In his early days on radio, he was so much freer, unbeholden to these advertising pressures
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Here's what I'm getting at
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He's had a radio show and a video camera
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This whole career
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If at any point in that career he wanted to lay out his proof and actually do a focused, coherent type of breakdown of this
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He absolutely could have
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And yet he hasn't
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Endgame was an attempt at it
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And I guess
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But that documentary is completely full of shit
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And fails to prove any of his arguments
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If anything in what he was saying were true
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He could have done this at any point in his life
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It's not like the globalist plan is some new development
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You're bringing up like, oh, there's this new thing
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But those are all just wrinkles
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Those are all new distractions
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The base of it is the same
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It's always been the same
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There's nothing that he's doing now that he couldn't have done ten years ago
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In terms of firmly laying all this stuff out
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Yeah, it does seem that he is fully aware that his show is purely entertainment value
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That he is sneaking white nationalist views into
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But he can't ever say that it's an entertainment show
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Because that would undercut the very prompt premise
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Unless he's trying to keep custody of his children
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And his lawyer says it
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Yeah, he's very clearly aware of it
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And I'm probably a little too sensitive about this
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But clips like this really piss me off
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Because I think they show how much of a con man he is
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Possibly even more so than his gross salesman clips
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These are the clips where Alex tries to explain away why his show isn't what he pretends it is
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By creating fake excuses for why he's not doing a better job
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He can't fully explain the globalist playbook to you
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Because he has to plug sponsors
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Presumably by extension he hasn't already fully laid out the globalist playbook
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Because every day he comes into work for the last 18 years
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He's had to plug sponsors
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In reality he hasn't explained this globalist playbook
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Because he knows that he's making most of it up
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The wheels inside wheels and plans inside plans
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He sees the globalist crafting are tenuous connections
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That he imagines lurking behind completely unrelated headlines he skimmed
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In an altered state or whatever he was describing at the beginning of this episode
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All that stuff is in his head
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So he doesn't lay it out because if he did it would be too obvious to people
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Yeah, we're back in stupid evil continuum here
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He's clearly scamming and he's aware of it
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But at the same time he believes enough of what he's saying to give you pause
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The depths of the evilness could be subconscious
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The most evil parts of it seem like they could just be like
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He doesn't know
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I don't think it's a mental process where he's like
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Oh, I can't lay out my plan because if I do everyone will know I'm a liar
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I think it's subconscious
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I bet he believes that he can't lay out his plan because he doesn't have enough time
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I do think he believes that
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And then he subconsciously creates all these impediments in his way
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Like ah, god damn it, I got another big Berkey ad. Oh no, I gotta interview the fuckin'
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Limerick soap guy again
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That does get in the way of laying out the globalist plan
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It certainly does
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A good limerick will overthrow the globalist plan at any time
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But Alex is in this deep state and he's like maybe I should extend the show
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Because then I can get into everything
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And I'll tell you this, he goes four hours on this episode
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And we'll see how that plays out
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Man, every production thought he has is always wrong
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Like let's go to a 24 hour network, don't
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Don't do it, you're overextending yourself
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Let's have Owen Troyer host the fourth hour
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Let's fuckin' hire Owen Troyer, bad idea
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So we'll see what happens with that final hour
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He's already laid out that one of the reasons to extend the show
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Is to really get into the globalist playbook that will free everyone
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Right
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We'll see
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Alex has, he starts complaining about guns a little bit
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In this episode
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And in this next clip he talks about how they almost already took the guns
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Sure
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Sure
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Back in the 60s and 70s they almost got all the guns
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They almost got rid of our military then as well and put it under UN then
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Under State Department memorandum and public law 7277
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So that's the type of stuff going on
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Look up 7277, the manual's online
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Where we have no military, our police are disarmed and UN troops are here
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That's why you've always heard, oh that's coming
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But we've held it back
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The old timers by warning people bought us a lot of time
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So they've incrementally put a lot of it in but not all of it
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So that's why you can read what the John Birch Society said in the 60s
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People are like, this is crazy
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Now it's all come true basically
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We held it back, they wanted this stuff by the 70s
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So we talked a little bit in the past about State Department memorandum 7277
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But it's been a long time since we have
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So I thought maybe it was time for a little brush up
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Yeah, I could use a little brush up
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So for those who haven't listened to our entire back catalog
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Memorandum 7277
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Memorandum 7277 was a document that was drafted by the US State Department
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And released in September 1961
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The official title of the document was Freedom from War
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The United States program for general and complete disarmament in a peaceful world
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It's important to read this document with two considerations in mind
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The first is that this is a Cold War era document
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The point of the document was to provide a possible plan of action to the UN at the 16th General Assembly
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In hopes of beginning a fruitful negotiation with the Soviet Union
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That could help avoid mutually assured destruction
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We've mentioned it many times but we were legitimately on the brink of the world ending
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More than once in the span of those years
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And sensible people saw it as the highest priority to avoid that possible outcome
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If we live, all of us, if we all live in peace by way of complete disarmament
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Why the fuck wouldn't we do that?
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Isn't that a better outcome than everyone dying for no reason?
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No, no, no, no, there was a
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I remember the guy in the Soviet Union who received the medal for literally saving the entire earth
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And then was hidden in Siberia and his story fucking suppressed for as long as humanly possible
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It's a scary story
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No, no, no, I don't think we should disarm, Dan
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There's nothing dangerous about that
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I don't understand why when you're in that situation where you have brinksmanship going on
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Between two nuclear powers who are at odds with each other
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Why you wouldn't explore every single possibility to avoid that outcome?
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It boggles my mind that that happened and they didn't immediately go
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Oh, by one fucking computer error, we almost destroyed the world
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Let's start talking about it
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Yeah, no shit
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The world! The world!
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The second consideration is that when negotiations began
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It turned out that this plan was not what either the US nor the Soviet Union wanted
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And at the 16th General Assembly it went nowhere and wasn't adopted
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It exists today as a historical testament to a time when international negotiations
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Might start off on a far more idealistic step than they do today
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That was the 60s
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Right
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Though it was never put into place and ultimately is a meaningless document in terms of any government
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It did lay some important groundwork toward later negotiations
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Like the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968
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So in many ways you could actually see it as an important show of good faith from our side
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That actually was built upon later to make the world a safer place
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I think that if you look at it through that historical context you see it as
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Like probably a very important document that has led to good things
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But not something that's enforceable in any way or actually been carried out
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As with most UN resolutions involving the United States, we didn't do a goddamn thing
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Well, it wasn't adopted
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It was a suggestion that was discussed and no one was like, eh, who cares
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It's unclear from the text of the memorandum if it would even affect citizens' weapons at all
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It's really mostly about disarming the US and Soviet Union
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And scaling back their arsenals and armies
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While simultaneously strengthening a UN peacekeeping force
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That could ideally avert future large-scale crises between countries
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And that also does have the nuclear idea like states can't pursue nuclear weapons
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Right, right, right, right
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This memorandum 7277 is used by every Second Amendment dum-dum
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As proof of international conspiracies that are out to get their guns
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So they can create a one-world government in the form of this UN peacekeeping force, I guess
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None of the arguments they make can be supported by the text of the memorandum
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And rely entirely on their interpretations
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Which I personally do not trust
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Dan, you gotta read between the lines
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You can't trust literally any word in those documents
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Because they all mean the exact opposite of what they say they mean
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Which I happen to determine what that means
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Playbook
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Let me read between a couple other lines
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Alright, I like it
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Alex is saying that the John Birch Society and the quote old-timers were warning about this
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Sure
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Which is interesting phrasing
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Yeah
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I'm positive that the John Birch Society brought it up before this point
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But the earliest definitive time I can find them talking about memorandum 7277
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Is when then-president and former Alex Jones guest John McManus
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Brought it up in a John Birch Society bulletin
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Titled, Whose Side Are They On?
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Dated April 1991
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I thought you were gonna say the specific, I thought you were gonna say the president
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Not the president of the John Birch Society
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Jimmy Carter
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Yeah, I was like holy shit former Infowars guest Jimmy Carter?
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No
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According to John Birch Society lore, Robert Welsh quote
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Somehow found a copy of the memorandum almost immediately
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Because they worked to publicize it, the plan behind 7277 failed
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Always, always
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I find this particular telling of the story to be hard to believe
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Partially because from my reading of John Birch Society materials
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They're pretty big on dates and also their own stories
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That's to say, you know to say that Welsh somehow, you know they literally
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John McManus uses the word somehow found a copy
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That seems out of their style
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He googled it
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As does the imprecision of the timeline that McManus presents about this
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To be clear, I'm absolutely certain that the John Birch Society was agitating about memorandum 7277 before 1991
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I'm just saying I don't have any concrete proof of exactly when it started
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I've seen some indications that Robert Welsh was aware of 7277 by 1963
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But he wasn't the only one
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I can find concrete evidence that another group was organizing specifically against memorandum 7277
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At the same time or earlier
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I swear to god if you say the KKK I'm going to be furious
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Nope, it's a group called the Minutemen
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Oh god no, they're almost worse
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Yeah
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Jesus Christ, they're fucking crazy
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Yep, the Minutemen were an extremist anti-communist group
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Ran by a guy by the name of Robert DePue
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DePue had been a member of the John Birch Society
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But decided that they weren't into action the same way he was
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So he broke off and started the Minutemen in 1961
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That didn't stop him from re-infiltrating the John Birch Society with his Minutemen after the fact
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This was actually a common strategy among the explicitly violent right wing of the day
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The congressional record from 1968
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I think that's over
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The congressional record from 1963 includes Senator Thomas Kechel
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Introducing into the record a passage from The Cross and the Flag
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Quote, followers of mine who have access to our literature should attend the John Birch Society meetings in their communities
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Do not be aggressive and do not be offensive
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Do not do anything to embarrass the Birch leadership
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But always have a pocket full of literature and materials
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Which you can hand out to interested people who might want to make a deeper study into the communist menace
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Also, always have a few blow pops in your pockets as well
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Sure, and a dog treat
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely
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No chocolate, raptors will fuck you up
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Absolutely
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The more extreme groups saw the John Birch Society as fertile recruiting ground
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Since if you were out there enough to join the JBS
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There's a good chance you were only a little nudge away from signing up for the harder stuff
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Yeah
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In many ways, it's like how fascists have used things like Gamergate and men's rights activist communities as recruitment drives
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This strategy is timeless
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Yep
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It should be noted out that The Cross and the Flag was a publication put out by Gerald L.K. Smith
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The founder of the America First Party
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Which was a party that was supposedly just isolationist but was crawling with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers
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In 1944, the party advocated for the deportation of US Jews and the sterilization of those who would not leave
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Smith himself was an outright Nazi who spent a lot of his time after World War II lobbying for the pardoning of Nazis convicted at Nuremberg
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Popular move
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Popular move, you gotta, look, I'm not saying you gotta give it up to the Somali pirates
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But it does take a certain type of courage to lobby for, Nazis aren't that bad?
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Courage
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Courage
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So he ran for president and he got less than 2,000 votes in the 1944 election
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So then Smith renamed his party from the America First Party
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He renamed it the Christian Nationalist Crusade
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Under whose name he published The Cross and the Flag
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Which is what was put in the congressional record
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The Christian Nationalist Crusade also published Henry Ford's International Jew
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And promoted the protocols of the elders of Zion as absolutely authentic
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They hated Jews, communism, immigrants, and jazz
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Presumably because it had to do with black people
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Gerald L.K. Smith was a Nazi and he was one of the main figures behind the early days of Christian identity
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The Christian Nationalist Crusade is also associated with the Minutemen
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A 1964 news article describes Minutemen founder Robert DePue as
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Quote, the handsome black-haired Missourian
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And quote, soft-spoken and articulate
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Which I only mention because it's important to realize that the media has always done this with right-wing extremists
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DePue taught that the communist menace was coming and probably already here, all around
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And so the only thing to do was to organize guerrilla groups to fight back
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Naturally this just turned into anti-government fanaticism and right-wing terrorism
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Because it always does
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On January 26th, 1968, seven Minutemen members were arrested for planning to blow up
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The city hall, police department, and power stations of Redmond, Washington
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Arresting officers found firebombs, dynamite, blasting caps, guns, and masks
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That they planned to use in their campaign supposedly against communism
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It came out in court that it was all part of a plan to cause a distraction and chaos
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So they could rob four area banks and bring in about $100,000
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Robert DePue was charged with conspiracy since he was the group's leader
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But he went into hiding, only to be caught and charged in 1969
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Because he was the leader of a white terrorist group, though, he only ended up serving about three years of his 11-year sentence
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I love America!
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Life sentence for marijuana possession, three years for white nationalist terrorism
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Two years prior to that event being broken up
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19 members of the Minutemen were arrested in process of carrying out a terrorist attack on some camps
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They supposedly thought were full of communists in the Northeast
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The police had been tipped off and raided at their cell locations
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And seized a massive arsenal of mortars, grenades, bazookas, machine guns, semi-automatic rifles, and close to a million rounds of ammunition
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These people were not trying to fight communism, they were extreme right-wing terrorists
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Ramparts quotes the defector of the group as saying
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After you take their five phases of training, you find out that you want to overthrow the government by force and violence
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And do away with about half of the people in the United States
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What had allegedly started out as a defensive, fraternal organization to fight off the coming communist invasion
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Had to turn radical and offensive when that invasion never came
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They had plans to assassinate politicians and commit a chemical weapons attack on the UN building
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They rationalized that attacking the government was the same as attacking communists since the government was already a communist entity
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As proven by everything that's happened since the New Deal
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Put simply, the Minutemen were Alex Jones' kind of guys, but he does not want people to think that they were his kind of guys
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After their formation in 1961, it quickly became a catch-all organization, the Minutemen did
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For people all over the extreme right who wanted the possibility of violence in their life
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Tons of Minutemen were legit Nazis, as well as Klan members
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Two state coordinators for the Minutemen were former Grand Dragons of the Klan
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Their membership roles also included an interesting overlap with members of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian
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Which is run by Wesley Swift, the man who more or less created the Christian identity movement in the United States
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One of his ministers was a Minutemen, and that's not a coincidence
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Much like the John Birch Society, the Minutemen distributed publications to their members
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In this case, however, it was stuff like a handbook that taught members how to make incendiary weapons
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And anti-vehicular mines, recipes for Molotov cocktails, and nerve gas
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These were sort of the things that the Minutemen were distributing
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They also put out a periodical called On Target
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On Target, I'm not entirely sure, was the first, but it was very early
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As a publication that was spreading the conspiracy that memorandum 7277 was an attempt to take Americans' guns
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Their November 1, 1963 issue is titled, quote, New Drive to Disarm America
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And it discusses a recent symposium that was held to discuss illicit international arms trade
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The publication makes a specific point that the attendees were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations
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And that, quote, of the 92 people who spoke during this four-day conference
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Nearly all fit into one of the following categories
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One, known and identified communists
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Two, persons who have belonged to and supported numerous communist fronts
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Three, people who have made it a habit to support and be affiliated with various ultra-liberal peace and disarmament groups
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And four, individuals who are paid employees of the US disarmament agency
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Given how loose we know their definition of communist is
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Those four descriptions could literally include everyone who's not a Minuteman
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The pamphlet goes on to complain about memorandum 7277
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How everyone getting their guns taken is going to happen
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And the next thing you know, we've got a new world order going on to the UN
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A full five and a half of the ten pages of that newsletter is just the names and home addresses of people who attended that arms trade symposium
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Which leads me to another important part
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Doxing is not a new strategy of the extreme right wing
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So it's important to recognize that when Alex Jones says things like, the old timers
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This is probably who he's talking about
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He's probably talking about the Minutemen
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And he knows not to bring up them by name
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Also, back to memorandum 7277 for a minute
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That plan was introduced by JFK
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How is it possible for Alex to argue that JFK was both the president who introduced the globalist disarmament plan for global government
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And also the guy who was killed by the globalists for being the last real president
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It's things like this that really highlight how inconsistent Alex's conspiracies are
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Even to each other
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They're internally inconsistent
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Right
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Yeah, but that's never been the point
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No
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Like the point has always been, just like with the right wing terrorists, it's always been whip people into a fear based state
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So they'll join us by saying, this is coming
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And then whenever it doesn't come because it's fantastical
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Say, it's already here
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Right
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That's it
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So why would you even want to bother with internal consistency
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The entire point is insanity
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Yep, and it does go to the like using John Birch Society as a recruitment place for more extreme groups
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It's the same thing as like, if you're in for whatever Alex is selling, it really doesn't matter if it's crazier
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Right
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You know, like you're already in the place where you are self selected as a candidate to believe bullshit
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So why care about this thing making sense
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Yeah
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JFK can both be a hero who's killed by the globalists for being into America and the one who introduced the UN plan to disarm the entire world
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Right
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Doesn't matter
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Right
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Anyway, I just think this is interesting because one of the things that I want to pay closer attention to and really highlight more
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Is these instances where Alex has direct overlap with these more terroristic sides of the anti-communist world in the 60s and 70s
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Yeah
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Because there is very, very strong overlap and the John Birch Society is kind of a piece of it
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Given like Revilo P. Oliver and how he, you know, went fascist and anti-Semitic and was one of the founding members of the John Birch Society
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Yeah
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Like there are connections there, but they run deeper
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Yeah
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So at this point in the episode, Alex is kind of vamping, he's filling time
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Right, right, right
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Because he knows that Professor Griff is coming, probably
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I already tossed out my malicious shit, I gotta wait until Professor Griff comes
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I've signaled to the militias, I've complained that my show is not long enough so I can't get into the globalist playbook
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Right, right, right, and I still got 20 minutes before Griff comes so I could, no I can't
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No, I just got a vamp
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Yep
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They want to wreck you, they want to shut you down, do we have him?
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Wow, Professor Griff, I get to talk to him for the first time in person, hearing about 20 seconds when we go to break
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Big fan of Public Enemy growing up
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You can't be
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You're not allowed, you're not allowed
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Best rhymes out there in my humble opinion
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And so we're going to come back with one of the icons of rap, hip-hop and everything else, Professor Griff on the other side
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This is going to get deep, so stay with us
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It's going to get deep
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It's going to get deep
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So Alex introduces Griff here in this next clip
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It is Tuesday, the 12th day of March 2013
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And Professor Griff, one of the great granddaddies, one of the icons, one of the founders of rap and what is hip-hop
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I mean you can't really think of anybody out there except a couple other guys who are up there at the top of the mountain
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Cool Herc?
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Uh, tons
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First things first, Public Enemy was formed in 1986
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They were a really successful group, pretty immediately
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With the 1987 release of their debut album, Yo Bum Rush The Show
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Which is well received critically and by hip-hop fans
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In between the release of that album and their second album
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Professor Griff gave an interview in the UK where he said that
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Quote, there's no place for gays
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Also, quote, Jews are responsible for most of the wickedness in the world
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Which many people suspect of him quoting Henry Ford's anti-Semitic publication The International Jew
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And quote, if Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it would be alright
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Professor Griff's unbridled bigotry got him kicked out of the group
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Right as their wave was beginning to crest
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In the aftermath, Griff played the role of pretending to apologize so he could be Public Enemy's Minister of Truth again
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As recently as 2018, he's made public comments about Ashkenazi Jews as being intrinsically evil
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And that it's just common knowledge now, people write books about it
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So I'm not entirely sure if I believe he was ever sorry for any of the awful shit that he said
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Absolutely not
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I don't believe that
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No
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Incidentally, in that interview that reference there from 2018
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The book that Griff cites to argue that this is just common knowledge
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You know, that these Ashkenazi Jews are all evil
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Is called The Synagogue of Satan
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No
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While I don't have the time to read that book, I will say that one of the reviews of it is illuminating
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Quote, this book lifts the lid on the conspiracies and details of how the public has been duped
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It includes the complete protocols of the learned elders of Zion
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Which is a big scoop as the Jews do not want the general public to know their plans for world domination
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Can't we get a copyright takedown of, can you, is PEZ a public domain?
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I don't know, I think it probably is
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I don't know if anyone owns the copyright
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Doesn't Disney own the protocols of the elders of Zion?
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Forward, forward probably
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I looked into it a little more and what do you know?
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One of the arguments put forth in that book is that the people alive today who call themselves Jews
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Are actually the descendants of Esau
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Crazy to hear Professor Graff amplifying and promoting the same anti-Semitic conspiracies that are spread by people like Pastor David J. Smith
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And that are at the heart of the Christian identity movement
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Weird
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Putting out their first album in 1987 does put Public Enemy in the earlier parts of hip-hop history
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But there are a lot of people who came before them
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Like Grandmaster Flash, The Sugarhill Gang, Curtis Blow
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Run-DMC's first album came out three years before Public Enemy's first album
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What I'm saying is that while Public Enemy holds a very important place in the history of the genre
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They're considered to be in the second wave of the evolution
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When the old school aesthetics branched off into a ton of sub-genres
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When It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back came out
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That was the cement them in fucking history level of album
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And Professor Graff wasn't involved
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No he was
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Oh no that's right he was involved, fuck that's right
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But before it was released he'd given that interview
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And that interview didn't come to the surface until a couple years later
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I believe it was 1989 when that interview actually came out
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And he got in trouble and got kicked out of the group
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And then Chuck D. brought him back, who knows
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Eh, I don't know, Chuck D. was on news radio so
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Sure, so was Tone Loke
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Tone Loke was on
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So in this next clip Alex mentions that the Public Enemy is going to get into the
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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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And then says something that can't possibly be true
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And they're on tour right now, they're going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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This year and I've been following Professor Graff since I was about 11 years old
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What?
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Alex was born in 1974
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It would literally be impossible for him to have been following Professor Graff since he was 11
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Considering Public Enemy didn't form until 1986 when Alex was 12
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I have a hard time believing that Alex as an 11 year old was super into an obscure member of the Nation of Islam
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Halfway across the world
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But I guess he can try to make that argument if he wants
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I think when he was 11 he was a world class stalker maybe?
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I don't know
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He's literally been following Professor Graff
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Also I don't think that Alex would be into early Public Enemy
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Their first album was deeply black nationalist
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And from everything Alex claims to believe in
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He is super against that
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They explicitly endorsed Farrakhan on their 1987 single Bring the Noise
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So I don't know how Alex could pretend not to know what they're about
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Also it's wild to think that Professor Graff was part of the group
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When they got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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Considering he was kicked out he almost legitimately ruined all of their careers
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Oh shit you know what it's actually really interesting
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The news radio episode in this context now because
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Literally what goes on is Phil Hartman's character
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Rails about the dangers and evils of hip hop
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And then when Chuck D the celebrity comes on he's like
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I love hip hop and you are amazing and Alex is doing exactly that
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Absolutely that
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He's real dealing it
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Yeah he is real dealing it for sure
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So I don't know this interview isn't that great
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It's mostly forgettable
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There's a point when Professor Graff gets a text message
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And Alex tries to present it as someone hacking his phone and listening in
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It's ludicrous
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He gets a text
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And it's a lot of Alex being like I love you, you're great, I think you're one of the best
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And then they get into mind control and music
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And that's when I got a specific that I decided I wanted to look into
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This is David Rio, Stephen Jacobson in his book Mind Control in America
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He talked about these particular techniques in depth
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And it's something that Stephen Jacobson laid out that needs to be studied
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This whole idea of backward masking and double speech
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And these kind of programs that we use in and out of the music industry
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Alright, alright you gave me a specific, I'll look into that
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The whole lot of this interview I should tell you is just Alex and Professor Graff
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It's just Graff laying out his theory that the powers that be are trying to feminize the black man through hip hop
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His evidence of this seems to be his belief that Will Smith and Quincy Jones are gay
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Which is something that he insinuates heavily but is very careful not to say explicitly
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Which is a strategy that I think Graff has been forced to get pretty good at over the years
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Yeah, Alex sees a kindred spirit
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The rest of it is just vague accusations of generalized mind control and Illuminati conspiracies in the music industry
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Interestingly, Graff's arguments about these are less rooted in his personal experience
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Than they are in him hearing Alex Jones and David Icke yell about the topic
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At which point he tried to make his experiences mirror their narratives
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From listening to him speak, it's really hard for me to not think that this is just basically Alex interviewing a marginal celebrity
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About how they've used his narratives in their own life
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One specific Graff does offer is in that clip is a book called Mind Control in the United States written by Steven Jacobson
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This book and Jacobson and all other mediums try to make the argument that the problem with people today
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Is that they're being taught things that are not true
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How can we possibly navigate the world around us if everywhere we're turned we're confronted with things that are not true being passed off as truth
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God, I agree with you but I'm almost 100% positive that you're the one who's peddling lies
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Yeah, yeah, that's what I think too. These arguments are fun to explore
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And I think that our podcast has a lot of this theme to it
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So, you know, attempting to navigate the right wing media sphere where lies are very slickly presented as truth
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So I thought, hey, what the fuck? Maybe I should check this guy's book out
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Maybe there's something to be learned here
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Let me start by putting this very bluntly
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There's not. Steven Jacobson is a lunatic
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Here's how he argues against evolution
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Oh boy, we're already there
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Quote, man is a blend of indigenous ape forms and the celestial beings who arrived upon the planet and adapted to the primate organic body
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Because of the greater dexterity possessed by the hand and thumb
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They cohabitated with the primate forms and the progeny was the first true man
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The inheritance of animal traits still lingers in man, making so many spiritual beings beastly in their temperaments and behaviors
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Okay, so if I understand correctly, humans didn't evolve, but apes met venom
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And the symbiotes came together and now we're, some of us are crazy
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Yeah
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Gotcha
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This is a painfully stupid book full of appeals to occult knowledge and psychic abilities
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It's also weirdly fairly anti-communist
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But that kind of makes sense when you read the postscript
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Quote, I received a copy of Gary Allen's None Dare Call It Conspiracy
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I began to study the conspiracy theory of history
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He cites None Dare Call It Conspiracy ten times in the footnotes
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Along with W. Cleon Skousen's Naked Capitalist
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The politics are the same old anti-communist conspiracy bullshit
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We see it at the source of all of these people's worldviews with just a little bit of fun new age horseshit added on top
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I'm listening to this Professor Griff interview and already he's cited two completely insane, full of bullshit books
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And he's cited them as authoritative sources
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So I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's not a guy who has a very rigorous fact checking or critical analysis routine in place
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That he goes through before he decides to believe something
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Also, small point, he's been an overt anti-Semite for decades
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So when he's out here talking about mind control and the New World Order and the Illuminati
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You have to be a complete idiot to not use available context clues to deduce
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There's a very high likelihood that he believes the New World Order is run by Jews
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It might be a productive question for Alex to ask that
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But I suspect he's worried what the answer might be
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And he doesn't want that on the show
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Fucking Christ, I hate these people, I fucking hate these people, Dan
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I hate them so much, I hate them so much
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It's so weird
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I don't know how to deal with how much hate I am experiencing right now
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Yeah, it's so weird how there's so many connections
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Even between, like, Professor Griff, the book he cites ends up citing none dare call it conspiracy and scows him a ton
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And also thinks that evolution isn't true because angels
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So Alex has this interview with Professor Griff and they have a great time
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Oh, of course
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It's a fine time
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Of course
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It's very boring
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Real deal with it
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So now Alex moves on to another guest
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He's got another guest
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I had a chance a while back to hear this gentleman on Coast to Coast AM
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And I've been wanting to get him on
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And I've kind of told my producers but then forgotten about it a while back
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And I guess it fell through
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And then Richard Reeves came in and he said
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You know, Dr. Glidden, who we're a big fan of
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And he's here on the Genesis Network
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Dr. Peter Glidden
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He says this is a guy you really ought to interview
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Who's worked with Younggevity and others
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A whole bunch of times, we'll have him break down the story
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To sue the Food and Drug Administration
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To make them back off trying to shut down
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Being able to buy vitamins and minerals and supplements up at the counter
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I mean, if you have one illness from a supplement, it's national news
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So Alex's next guest is a lawyer who works for Younggevity
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Yeah
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This show is so insane because I'm listening to this episode
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And Alex says that his next guest is Younggevity's lawyer
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And my response is, yeah, that makes sense
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Yeah, right
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He's even close to shocked that Alex's medical guests
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All seem to have financial ties to one of his main sponsors
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So why should it be any surprise that his legal experts do, too?
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I swear to God, if it's Barnes, um
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I wish it was
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Yeah, that would be amazing
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That would be so amazing
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That would be so good
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It's not
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What I'm more interested in here, though, is that Alex's claim there at the end
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That if you get one person sick from supplements
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That's a huge news story
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Supplements are safe, Jordan
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Nah, that is wildly untrue
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It's bullshit
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According to a 2015 study in the New England Journal of Medicine
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At least 23,000 people get sent to the emergency room every year
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For reasons that are directly traced back to taking unregulated dietary supplements
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I'm glad that we've seen that statistic
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Our government has decided, you know what, it's time to regulate the
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They certainly haven't
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Oh, they haven't? Oh, okay
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The author of the study, who's a doctor at the CDC
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Was quick to point out that it's way more likely that this is an underestimation
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Than an exaggeration of the problem
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One of the main problems is that because of the Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act of 1994
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The FDA is forbidden from reviewing supplements before they're sold
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They can only intervene sometimes when the supplement is shown to be dangerous
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This applies also to not just the supplements themselves
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But also to packaging
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That 2015 study found that a significant number of the injuries from supplements came from children
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Who could easily access the pills because they weren't required to be in child-proof packaging
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A 2017 Business Insider article reports that the supplement industry is a $37 billion market
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When you look at it in that context, it starts to make sense why it's almost entirely unregulated
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Selling people false hope and ineffective pills is an evergreen business model
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And these people have a whole lot to lose if the government starts to take the issue seriously
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The big companies in a $37 billion industry are very well positioned to hire all the attorneys and lobbyists
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They need to make sure that their business stays unregulated and they can continue to basically defraud naive people
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And that's why we need to keep money in politics, Dan
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Citizens United was the greatest Supreme Court decision in the history of the world
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There are so many problems with people taking supplements
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Even beyond just the pure, some of them can hurt or kill you angle
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When people take supplements, they often don't tell doctors about them when they're asked if they're on any medications
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Since people don't consider them to be medications
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Well, if it's a gummy, then it can't be a medication, Dan
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Unfortunately, even if they're not medications, they can definitely interfere with real medicine
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St. John's wort, for example, can severely impair the effectiveness of antibiotics, birth control and other drugs
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If doctors don't know you're taking it, they can prescribe you something for an infection
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And you'll be completely, basically just getting no treatment
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When the antibiotics don't work, people are then likely to take it as proof that traditional medicine doesn't work
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And become more drawn to supplements as if it's actual medical care
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There have been plenty of deaths tied to supplement use and plenty more where supplements played a part in the death
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And it wasn't caught by doctors
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For Alex to pretend that this isn't the case is disgraceful
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And the only reason he would be doing that is either because he doesn't know what he's talking about
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Or because he's a bought and paid shill for a supplement company
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Or both
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I would give him both
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Yeah, that's possible
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Yeah, I would say that he's probably been, I mean, even in his own, I'm guessing that now he's kind of disabused himself
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Of the notion that supplements can't fuck up your brain
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By 2019?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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He's living proof
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Exactly, exactly
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That's not the case
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But I could buy in 2013, since he's probably not overdoing the longevity supplements
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That he'd be like, he'd be convinced by their propaganda too
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Of like, hey, these are actually good for you and blah blah blah
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Or it's
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Natural solutions
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Or he's living in a space where it's more just like, it's fine
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Yeah
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I don't know
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So anyway, this lawyer is coming on, but it's not just him, there's more
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Professor Griff's lawyer
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I'm doing like a pitch as if I'm QVC
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Not just this lawyer
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We're going to have to put a clock on this one, Dave
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So I wanted to get Jonathan W. Emord on with us, again E-M-O-R-D.com, and I also wanted to get Dr. Peter Glidden, fireyourmdnow.com
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Naturopathic doctor, host of Fire MD Now, which airs here on the Genesis Network
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It airs on the Genesis Network, and Glidden is also one of the spokespeople for Young Jevity that we've talked about in the past
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So he has the lawyer on with the doctor from Young Jevity
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Yeah, it's called Synergy, Dan
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This lawyer that Alex is interviewing here on the show is a guy by the name of Jonathan E-Mord
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And from everything I can tell, he's basically just made a career out of taking on cases that seek to cripple government regulation of non-medical medicine
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His claim to fame is that he's beaten the FDA in court more than anybody else, and I guess I believe that's probably true
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In 2010, he won a suit against the FDA that allowed supplement companies to make, quote, qualified health claims about their products
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Thus, they can say that their product might help with a certain condition or reduce the risk of it
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But they also have to include a disclaimer that says, quote, scientific evidence concerning this claim is inconclusive
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Based on its review, the FDA does not agree
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That's a pretty big win, since most people don't read disclaimers
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Oh yeah, an unreally big win
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It might as well have just been an unqualified win
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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E-Mord has made a career of helping people get murdered by unregulated markets
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He's been involved in a number of other similar lawsuits, and because of it, he's become something of a hero in the supplement world
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His litigation has genuinely allowed them all sorts of wiggle room that they need in order to defraud tons of people totally legally
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In most of his lawsuits, E-Mord is representing an organization called the Alliance for Natural Health USA
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And the main cases use Dirk Peterson and Sandy Shaw as their defendants
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Pearson and Shaw are supplement designers who make their money by licensing their products to companies who sell them
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So it goes like this
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The Federal Trade Commission wants to enforce a rule like you can't make health claims about your product
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Unless you have two clinical trials to serve as the basis for your claim
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Then, E-Mord's law office will petition the FTC saying, quote,
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FTC requirements have a chilling effect on Pearson and Shaw
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Who have ordered their licensees not to communicate to the public on labels and labeling
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Or in advertising any claim of association between the products they sell and immune system enhancement, weight loss
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Or relief of temporary irregularity for fear that the FTC will deem the claims deceptive advertising
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I'm using quotes because I was reading from his 2011 petition to the FTC
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By framing the argument this way, by saying it's a free speech thing, they can't speak to their customers
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By doing it that way, the supplement industry sets up a win-win situation
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The FTC can agree with their petition and allow them to make scientifically unsupported claims
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Or the FTC can disagree and then they can go around yelling about the FTC suppressing their free speech
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It's a trap
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Quackwatch lists this sort of framing as one of the main hallmarks of questionable organizations
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Saying it is, quote,
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Nothing more than a ploy to persuade legislators to permit the marketing of quack methods without legal restraints
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Another hallmark that they use of questionable organizations is that the organization opposes proven health measures
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Like fluoridation
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According to SourceWatch, the Alliance for Natural Health USA was a founding member of the Fluoride Action Network
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So it sounds like that's two strikes
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For a third strike, let's just go ahead and say that Jonathan E. Moore is a member of the Younggevity Hall of Fame
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Which is something too insane
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Oh, that's not good, no, no, no, no, no
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I now know that exists
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And even if I was, even if I deserve to be on the Younggevity Hall of Fame, please do not put me up there
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I don't want that on posterity's list of things for me
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Unfortunately, I can't find a list of people on the Hall of Fame
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Which is, I thought that's what the Hall of Fame was all about
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It's just to honor people, but I guess it's not
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They don't want to have a list out there
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But if I had to guess, it's probably mostly shitheads
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Do you mean a list of fucking second-degree murderers?
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Anyway, Jonathan E. Moore is the lawyer that the supplement industry calls whenever the FDA or FTC is suggesting a rule that would advance public health but hurt their business
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He's also a lawyer for Younggevity, but the only cases I could find of him representing them aren't even for supplement-related stuff
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They're for, like, business dealings
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So, I don't know
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The FTC proposes a rule saying, please don't lie, please don't lie by omission, and please don't lie by implication
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And they go, what if we just lied a bunch, but a little bit differently than those?
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Yeah, anyway, the interview is mostly Alex jumping back and forth from Glidden and E. Moore
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And it's all just to say that the supplement industry is under attack
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They're great, they're great
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Who cares
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And you should probably buy gold and all that stuff
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In this next clip, though, one of the folks here, Dr. Glidden, kind of makes things a little too overt about what he wants to see happen in the world
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Quite frankly, Alex, I couldn't be happier if the medical system collapses because we have taken the wrong dog to the hunt
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I mean, the medical system doesn't need to be streamlined, and the drug companies don't need to be reined in
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There doesn't need to be more checks and balances, less regulation or more regulation
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The reason that our health is going to hell in a handbasket is because we've taken the wrong dog to the hunt
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What he's saying there is that we have a Western medicine in this medical system that we have
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And we've chosen that as opposed to his supplements and weirdo shit
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What we should be doing is taking more ginkgo-fucking-beloba than getting goddamn fucking Christ
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And so his solution to it is, you know, we don't need to deregulate, we don't need to overhaul anything
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We need to destroy the medical establishment
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Yeah
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I think if you lead with that, people are not going to get on board with you
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Usually that's a bad idea
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It's probably a bad opening volley, especially when you're trying
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I mean, what you're doing is, it involves so many aspects of, like, health policy
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Like, what you would need, you would kill so many people
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Oh, and on, yeah
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It's almost shocking to imagine the number
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Do they just allow anybody to be a doctor?
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He actually legally can't call himself a doctor
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Okay
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A naturopath
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Okay, alright, okay, I was going to say
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So in some states he can't call himself a doctor
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I thought he was an actual doctor
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If he's a naturopath, he's just a liar
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He complains about how he got in trouble for calling himself a doctor on this episode
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That's how I know that he can't call himself a doctor
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Of course
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So, one of the things that I don't want to sit around and just listen to these people talk about their propaganda about the supplement industry
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I just want to highlight that this is all just a younggevity ad
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So anything that makes a therapeutic claim is automatically categorized as a drug
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So it's a pharmaceutical monopoly, wow
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Jonathan W. Emord, we're going to come back with him
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We're going into overdrive with Dr. Glidden today
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Visit infowarshealth.com for the very best younggevity products
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Discounted infowarshealth.com
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Stay with us
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So, that's what it all comes down to
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Yeah
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You might have heard there that he says we're going into overdrive
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With Dr. Glidden
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The whole fourth hour
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Is all an ad?
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Infomercial with Dr. Glidden
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No way
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So when Alex was earlier complaining about how he doesn't have the time to get the globalist playbook out and he needs his show to be longer
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He solves one problem, his show is longer on this episode
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But it's just supplement sales
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He knew exactly what was going to happen and that was his preemptive defense
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I suspect that is the case
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That's exactly what that was, what an asshole
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I do wonder
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That's bullshit
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I do wonder if there's craft there
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Oh yeah
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It's hard for me to say but I think it's probable
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Yeah, there's no way that he got a fucking thing in his ear three hours ago and like
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How about we do a full hour?
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That's the one thing that was in a production meeting
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It's, you know, I mean there's coordination that needs to be involved, you know, Glidden's schedule
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He's got to have time, yeah
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No, that's pre-planned
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I think it's entirely possible
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And if it is the case, shady
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What a dick
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Shady
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That's bullshit
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And that hour could have been used to lay out the global playbook
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Of course it could
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Could have at least dipped your toe into it
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Could have just read the protocols there
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Yeah
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So anyway, we come to the end of this 11th and 12th stretch in 2013
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I think there's some, you know, definitely some interesting meat in here
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But Alex is, he is so far adrift
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I don't even know what's going on anymore
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In the past
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And again, we're talking about Sandy Hook
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I mean we're tracing that
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I do think that we're in a lull before, the calm before the storm
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The calm before the storm, yeah
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Because I think it's coming
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Yeah
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I think that some people, I have speculated about this and I think some other people have as well
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That it becomes deeply entwined with the Boston bombing that happens in April
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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So we're in this March stretch where I don't know if a ton is going to happen
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But it does offer us these great insights into like Alex's former position on Kim Jong-un
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No, no, I know
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Just interviewing Professor Griff like he is one of the most important celebrities in the world
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And referencing the old timers
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Exactly, yeah
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You know, there's an opportunity to learn about a lot of stuff along the way before we get there
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And that's a good use of our time, I believe
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Absolutely
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No, no, no, I'm not saying that
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I'm just, it's so fascinating to me that his show is everywhere
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It is all over the place
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And there are stunning parallels between the present and 2013 that are
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I mean, you're a goddamn witch
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Every time something happens in the present
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We're just going back through a certain date in 2013
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And there's a one-to-one comparison there
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Well, I mean, some of that is
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Him referencing the Minutemen in the context of fucking 8chan today is bananas to me
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Right, but some of that is because the same things that are true between Alex's 2013
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And the anti-communist extremists in the early to mid-60s
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There are similarities that are there and they haven't changed to the present day
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Right, of course
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Just because a lot of these people are using things like cultural Marxism or replacement fears
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A lot of it is using the same operating system that these right-wing extremists always have
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Oh, absolutely
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Which is a giant piece of anti-communism
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And the world that the people who were primarily motivated by anti-communism created
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That paradigm exists throughout a ton of extremism
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And that doesn't change
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And so when we see those parallels
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It is always kind of shocking because
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It's like, holy shit, that's crazy
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But it's also not that surprising
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It shouldn't be
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Because Alex is a piece of the continuum of right-wing terrorism
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Stochastic or actual
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And I think you just have to deal with that
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Right, no, I mean, why would they stop doing the exact same propaganda tricks
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If they are continuing to work
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Of course there are parallels between
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I mean, fucking, the beginning of the protocols of the elders of Zion
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Worked so well that they just kept on rolling with it
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And we still haven't figured out a fix for it
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There's no patch for this bullshit
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Nope
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So why not?
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It's tough
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There will be parallels in 2025
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I think if we don't figure it out, there will be
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There won't be any parallels to be had in 2025
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I don't know
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I don't know if it'll be that extreme
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No, I'm being hyperbolic
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It is something that
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It will continue to be a problem until we figure it out
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And I don't mean we like you and I
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No, of course not
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As a society, there's a lot we need to figure out
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And one of the things is
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What is behind all of this that's been going on for a long time?
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Anyway, we'll be back with a present-day episode
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Which will be a ray of sunshine on Wednesday
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I'm really not looking forward to this one
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Well, we'll see
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That's why I did plant watch as a question
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Because every question that I was thinking of went to a very dark place
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Fair enough
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Yeah
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That's the natural reaction to have right now
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And I hope everyone is alright
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Yeah, be well
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We're not doing
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Until next time
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There aren't a lot of people who haven't committed a murder
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Steven Jacobson
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Jacobson appears that he wrote a very dumb book
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Yeah
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But I don't know if he killed anybody
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It seems like he spent most of his time writing
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A dumb book
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A dumb book
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But he didn't kill anybody
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But one guy who technically probably has
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Is Alex Jones
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air
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Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller
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I'm a huge fan
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I love your work
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I love you
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