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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are. Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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What's the longest set you've ever seen a comic do?
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Great question.
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That's the first time you've said that in 200 episodes.
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That's not true at all. That's not true at all.
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To buy myself time, I often say that.
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I don't know. I mean, live?
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Yeah.
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Probably an hour.
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Probably an hour. You've never seen...
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Because they've heard the stories that Dave Chappelle did in 20 hours.
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No. I've never seen that live.
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No, of course not.
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I've seen comics do hours for sure. Like Patton Oswalt live.
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Right.
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I saw Lavelle Crawford back in Columbia, Missouri do an hour.
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Okay.
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Could not stop laughing.
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I don't know. I saw that hour. We actually were at Deja Vu,
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the comedy club in Columbia, and saw him. We were shushed by the security guard.
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Because you were laughing too hard.
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Was this... Were you a comedian already by this, or were you younger?
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I think it was before I actually did comedy. I think it was previous to by getting into trying.
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Yeah.
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Because I think I was... Yeah. Because Deja Vu was very unfamiliar territory for me then,
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whereas once I started doing stand-up, I resented the place.
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Yeah. Was it?
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Much more negative view towards it.
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Was that one of the things that got you into actually doing it in the first place?
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Lavelle?
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Yeah.
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No, I don't think so.
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No, you don't think so?
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No, I just enjoyed it. It was...
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Oh, okay.
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I don't know. Yeah. Other than that, I don't know. Just seeing friends do 40-minute hour,
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half-hour sets.
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You never saw one of Sheehan's nights where he decides to do two and a half hours.
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Oh, Jesus.
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Not that.
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Cigars and stripes.
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I've seen him go long, but not that long.
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So, hey, Jordan, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Lavelle Crawford and Alex Jones.
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And I only know a little bit about both.
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Correct. Jordan, today what we're doing is we are going over some present-day business.
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We're going over July 16th and 17th, 2019, which is Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.
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Oh, boy.
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Man, oh, man, have I found some ludicrous bullshit.
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I'm glad to know that there's nothing really going on in the world these 16th and 17th days.
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You know, nothing really big happening. I'm sure we'll get a very toned-down
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Alex out of this one, right?
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Most likely. I think I found some impressively nonsensical shit here.
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I don't like a good bit of the stuff that we're going to go over.
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I'm not surprised.
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I'm not surprised.
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But some of it's not as bad as you might expect it to be.
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Oh, OK.
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But before we get to today's episode, I've got to take a moment to say thank you to some
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folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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First of all, Elaine, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Elaine.
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Thanks, Elaine.
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Next, Elliot, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Elliot.
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Thank you, John JC.
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Mingleheimer Schmidt. Is that how?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Next, Maddie. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Maddie.
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M-A-T-I.
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Ah.
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Cool spelling.
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Ah, OK.
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Next, Cyclops. Normal spelling.
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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Cyclops.
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Yes, the boring normal spelling of Cyclops.
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Ah, yeah. Next, Owen. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Owen.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
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We appreciate it very much.
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So, Robert, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, Robert.
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Yes, thank you very much, Robert.
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It'd be lovely.
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So before we get into this, I want to say that I was going over this and preparing it on Wednesday.
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And as anyone who pays attention to the news or social media may be aware,
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Wednesday was the day that Trump had his rally where his audience started chanting
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send her back about Representative Ilhan Omar.
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Yeah.
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And that may color some of my I'm sick of this bullshit tone that may come out a little bit
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in this episode, because a lot of the time I like to play around with like,
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well, maybe Alex means this.
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I might I might be a little more blunt in some things this episode than normal.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think we're I think we're into full, full throated Nazis.
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Well, I don't want to comment necessarily about the government,
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but I will I will comment on propaganda techniques.
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Let's say so we get we're going to start the show on July 16th here, the Tuesday.
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And this is an interesting thing.
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Alex makes a horrible Freudian slip in the introduction to the episode.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this
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live Tuesday globalist transmission.
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What?
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What is the globalist?
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Oh, hold on a second.
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Just like he professes a certain type of Christianity that I now know to be Satanism,
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perhaps his anti globalism is actually him revealing he is a globalist.
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It's possible.
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And look, I know that everybody is capable of misspeaking.
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But one of the things that's so interesting to me and the reason I'm drawing focus to this
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is because Alex is really good at the intros.
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Like when he comes in, he almost never makes a mistake.
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Yeah.
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Because it's so rapid, like it's it's almost the exact same thing every time.
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Yeah.
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He talks about it being a global transmission.
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He says the date.
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He says he'll be back, Lord willing, tomorrow.
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Right.
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Those things are just every single day.
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The repetition has become script.
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So when he says this is a globalist transmission, that's a pretty big,
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you know, departure from the script.
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And it probably would just be like, haha, that's funny.
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You're stupid.
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But on the 17th, he says this.
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It's Wednesday, July 19th, the year 2019.
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So it's not July 19th on Wednesday.
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No, it's the 17th on on Wednesday.
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What the fuck is happening?
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So the only thing is, I believe that he's losing control of some of these more scripted.
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He's shook.
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Yeah, because I mean, I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill,
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but I do not hear him screw up the intro very often.
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And in two days, two pretty substantial departures from the norm.
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Globalist transmission and getting the date wrong are like,
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those are, you know, those substantial fuckups.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it means anything.
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I just think he maybe is phoning it in a little bit.
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Could be.
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Even his subconscious doesn't give a shit anymore.
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So on the 16th, he starts off on a narrative that I've heard him talk about before,
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but I felt the way he was talking about it deserved a little bit of attention.
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It's been declassified that the Ford Foundation, the CIA and others by the 50s
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sort of tried to direct Hollywood and things to become destructive,
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because TV was pretty wholesome that first decade.
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But it was just tricking us that it was safe then.
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So we take on the Trojan horse.
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And they openly stated, we make a whole film on this, anybody can research it,
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that they wanted to destroy the attention span.
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Because if they could get rid of an attention span,
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people wouldn't remember the lie from the last lie from the truth.
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And we'd have the memories of goldfish.
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So, hey, you know, the Ford Foundation, you know, their terrible Sesame Street funding.
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Yeah, that did it.
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That did it.
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Trojan horse dust.
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The very idea of a nefarious global cabal setting out to create televisions
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in order to destroy the attention span of the population.
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That's exactly the sort of unhinged stupid fantasy
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you'd expect to come out of the mouth of this fucking idiot.
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He's relying on fake studies, bad information, meaningless terms
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and a completely made up declassified document
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in order to lie to his audience about how it's all a Trojan horse in their home
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that's going to destroy their attention span.
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So you'll be easily trickable by these globalist minions.
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All media except Infowars is unsafe.
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Don't trust anything but me.
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That's really the point behind it.
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Yeah.
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Alex constantly talks about how our attention spans are now shorter than a goldfish.
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You heard him say it right there.
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He does that because it's a great mental image.
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We've all seen goldfish before.
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They don't seem to be all that into reading, you know.
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They've done follow up studies and it's not true.
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Goldfish actually have a significant memory.
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They finished Dostoevsky, which is more than you can say.
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What, me?
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All of Dostoevsky?
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Or that I killed him?
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Either.
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They finished him off.
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Unfortunately, Alex is just repeating something he read in a study
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that went viral years ago but has since been thoroughly discredited.
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This piece of salacious info comes from a 2015 study
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the Consumer Insights team of Microsoft Canada.
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But in 2017, the BBC looked into the study and found some problems.
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The first was that the stuff about attention span
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was just something that was cited in the Microsoft report
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but didn't have to do with their actual research.
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It was allegedly from a source called Statistic Brain,
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who in turn were taking the information from the quote
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National Center for Biotechnology Information
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at the US National Library of Medicine and the Associated Press.
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Simon Mabin at the BBC reached out to all these entities
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and none of them could find any research that backed up the claims
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that were made on Statistic Brain,
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which were then included in the Microsoft Canada report
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and then repeated tirelessly by dumb fucks like Alex Jones
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who want to convince everyone that the modern world
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is built on a satanic plot to hurt white people.
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Of course, it also was repeated exhaustively by well-meaning
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but maybe not all that thorough media outlets
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who were hunting for an easy human interest story to report
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and before you know it, the idea had the appearance of credibility
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when in reality it might as well have just been made up out of thin air.
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But that's not the only problem with this notion.
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The bigger issue is that attention span,
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when you talk about it like this, is a meaningless term.
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What does it even mean?
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How long you can pay attention to something?
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How is intention calculated into the measurement?
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I mean, obviously if you were trying to pay attention to something
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you'd pay attention to it longer than if you weren't.
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Or if you're interested in the things you're paying attention to
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you'd fucking be able to pay attention to it longer than nine seconds.
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If this alleged attention span stat had any real-world meaning
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no one could watch a movie or TV show
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without being completely overwhelmed and lost.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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People who study attention would never think about attention
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in the way Alex is presenting the idea.
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Humans pay attention to things differently
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depending on how much it appears the situation they're in requires them to.
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It's like effort in that way.
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You're kind of able to discern how much effort a certain task is going to require
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and then you subconsciously decide whether or not
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you're interested in exerting that amount of effort
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in the service of completing that task.
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300,000 people just turned this podcast on.
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They decided it's not working.
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They were like, it turns out he just explained what we're doing
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and it's not worth it.
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That's a subconscious conscious decision that you're making
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and I respect you for it.
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The very idea of what Alex is talking about is stupid.
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What is it about TV that's so crippling to a person's attention span?
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Is it the physical TV screen?
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Because if that's the case then the exact same damage
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can be caused by watching Alex's shit.
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Is it the constant changing of topics on the TV news?
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Because if it's that, Alex jumps from subject to subject
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at a far quicker and more disorienting pace
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than any TV news show I've ever seen
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and he's constantly playing a distraction game
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of vaguely referencing one thing
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than jumping to another subject without ever getting into
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what he was talking about to begin with.
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He's talking shit.
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There's no reality to the idea
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that your actual attention span is being shortened.
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And the only possible approach to take towards this
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is possibly this.
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As society modernizes, our ability to convey information
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more succinctly and quickly has greatly increased.
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With the advent of the internet,
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the ability to disseminate that information in little chunks
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has allowed people to take in information
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without exerting a great deal of attention,
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which has possibly trained people to expect not to
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have to pay attention to things for very long
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while still expecting some information being expressed.
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If that's Alex's conspiracy that he wants to make,
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I'm listening.
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But I'd probably also bring up that, you know,
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if that's the conspiracy, he's an active participant in it.
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Especially these days, he seems completely obsessed with memes.
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He's run meme contests, he calls himself the meme machine,
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he has weirdos like Carpe Donkdom on his show
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whose only relevance in the world at this point
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is that they make memes.
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Love him or hate him,
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memes are probably the method of conveying information
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that requires the least attention imaginable.
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And Alex seems totally fine with people being trained
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to take in information that way, exerting zero attention.
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It's almost passive. This is not a defense in any way,
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but you can still require memes.
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In fact, maybe you do require memes to spread
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your information now,
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but you can also still resent that you have to do so.
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You know, like you can do both.
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Alex doesn't seem to resent it.
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He doesn't seem to resent it.
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Yeah, of course he does.
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But I mean, you know.
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And I'm not talking shit on memes,
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although my very well-stated anti-meme position.
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I'm not deriding the entirety of memes and meme culture,
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memes of communication through memes.
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I'm just saying that like,
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if your concern is people being trained
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to have a shorter attention span,
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you should suspect one is memes right now.
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You should be staunchly opposed to that method
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of transmitting information.
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Or, I don't know, cartoons?
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Like political cartoons?
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Right.
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Like that's a real,
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you don't have to pay much attention to that.
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Yeah.
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So you should be against all those things.
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I mean, unless you're looking at a Ben Garrison cartoon,
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in which case you gotta,
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it takes a while to get all the names figured out.
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And then you have to figure out what the fuck it is
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he's trying to say in the first place.
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And all he's really trying to say, I think,
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is that Trump has great pecs.
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That does seem to be a...
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Recurring theme?
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Yeah.
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I can find no evidence of the Globalists
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or Ford Foundation publishing a plan
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to ruin the public attention span with TV and the media.
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So they'd be able to,
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people wouldn't be able to remember
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what was being talked about previously,
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I can't find any declassified documents
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that attest to this,
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but you know what it does match up pretty closely with?
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The Protocols of the Elders of Sion.
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You're right.
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Here's from Protocol Number 13.
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Agents taken onto our press from among the goyim
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will, at our orders,
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discuss anything which is inconvenient
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for us to issue directly in official documents.
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And meanwhile,
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quietly amid the din of the discussion so raised,
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we shall simply take and carry through such measures
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as we wish,
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and then offer them to the public as accomplished fact.
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No one will dare to demand the abrogation
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of a matter once settled,
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all the more so as it will be represented as an improvement.
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And immediately,
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the press will distract the current of thought
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towards new questions.
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And then parenthetically,
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have we not trained people always
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to be seeking something new?
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In the discussions of these new questions,
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will throw themselves
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those of the brainless dispensers of fortunes
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who are not able even now to understand
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that they have not the remotest conception
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about the matters which they undertake to discuss.
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You know, that is absolutely an example
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of the difference in communication styles,
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because what that really just said there was like,
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uh, we're going to shorten people's attention span,
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and they took forever to say it!
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It's very similar to the ideas being expressed by Alex.
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And that's just one of countless passages in the Protocols
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about the need to distract the goyim,
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so they won't get in the way of the elders' evil plans.
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Oh, those stupid fucking goyim.
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Interestingly, a whole lot of them match up
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with Alex's beliefs
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about what the globalists are doing with the media.
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Isn't that strange?
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We know that every Super Bowl Sunday,
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Alex makes a big show out of insulting football.
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He believes that men are sublimating
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their warrior instincts through fake warfare.
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But his bigger issue, I promise you this,
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is that the whole thing,
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the whole idea is that sports are a distraction.
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He asserts that you could know everything
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about the New World Order and their evil plans,
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but instead you know all the stats
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about your team's quarterback,
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and it's a waste of your time and attention.
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Yeah.
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Here again is from Protocol 13.
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Quote,
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We further distract them with amusements,
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games, pastimes, passions, people's palaces.
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Soon we shall begin through the press
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to propose competitions in art and sport of all kinds.
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These interests will finally distract their minds
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from questions in which we should find ourselves
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compelled to oppose them,
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growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect
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and form any opinions of their own.
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People will begin to talk in the same tone as we,
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because we alone shall be offering them
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new directions for thought.
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Okay, so they're just going to jangle your keys
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in the other direction.
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Look over here!
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Jangle kinks, kinks, kinks!
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Right.
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That's it.
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Seems like a lot of globalist plots
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that Alex discusses are just things that, uh...
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion said longer.
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The defraud, the fraudulent document
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that was specifically used in all sorts of Nazi propaganda.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah, seems like a lot of stuff might be about that.
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You know, it is kind of an understandable impulse
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to think that somebody's directing it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like, it seems odd that hundreds and hundreds
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of millions of people would just, on their own almost,
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choose to be fascinated by this game.
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Like, it's something that is...
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Like football?
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Yeah, it's something that's just a part of our culture
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that exists there.
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So the idea has to be, well, there's a reason for it,
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instead of just, a lot of people like it.
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And it just kept growing.
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Our brains crave narrative.
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Yeah.
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And our brains crave someone doing something.
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Right.
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It can't just be all of us together independently
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do the thing.
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It's, you'll see that constantly.
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It's one of the hallmarks of conspiracy, too,
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is that need to organize things in a way that fits in
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with that tendency of your brain.
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Right.
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And it's one of the reasons that the protocols
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of The Elders of Zion are so insidious,
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is that it has that just vague enough roots that people
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can pretend that it's real.
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And then at the same time, it slots in so many ways
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to turn things like, ah, this is weird.
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Oh, it's them.
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They're doing it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a mess.
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It's almost like an overlay you put on top of the world.
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Yeah.
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So on this 16th episode, I got to say
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that one of the things that I was struck by,
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and I mean, this isn't news or anything,
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but it's something that you just, you forget about,
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and then you constantly relearn if you're paying attention.
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And that is that his show has really just become
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extremist religious preaching mixed in with extremist
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right-wing talk.
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Right.
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Like, it's so crazy that you just kind of,
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like, if you listen to his show a bunch,
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you probably just take for granted the fact
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that he's supposed to be a political commentator,
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and he's on the air screaming about God
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and the literal devil all the time.
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Like, it's very strange if you just allow
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it to exist unquestioned.
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Like, I was listening to this, and I'm like,
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what the fuck?
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Like, how is this, how are people not,
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how do you not just see this and be like,
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I got to get the fuck out of here?
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I signed up for libertarianism.
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I don't, I liked Ron Paul.
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I don't know what you're doing anymore.
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You're talking about the fucking shoot devil.
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I can't hang out anymore.
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And God hates putting his children into this situation,
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but to make us men and women, and to make sure
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we're not going to join evil when we're
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given incredible power, we have the power
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to blow the planet up.
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We are babies.
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When we develop into our next phase,
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we can destroy universes.
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See, God has the angels bound because
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they're just servants.
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We're made in the image of God.
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And again, that's why the fallen one hates us.
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The fallen one can't even build all this.
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We build it, but Satan twisted.
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So these are the big secrets that the enemy
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doesn't want you to know.
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But don't just think all this line is going
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to discredit the enemy.
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Unless people know the riddle of why they're
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telling such blatant lies, then we don't have
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a chance to consciously understand the full
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spectrum, and that it's a spiritual deception,
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and then be able to teach that to others
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so they know why it's so disgusting, why it's so vile.
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It's meant to make us give up.
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So Alex is just talking shit here.
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And like I said, I can't stress enough how
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fucking weird it is, just this extremist
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religious fundamentalism paired with right-wing
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extremist tendencies.
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Like, I just, I can't be clearer about this.
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That has not gone well in the past.
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No.
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Those two things joining up usually end up
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with, like, not good things.
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Yeah.
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At the end of that clip, Alex expresses his
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belief that the enemy, the globalists, under
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the work of Satan are unrelentingly lying in
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order to get the good noble patriots to just
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give up.
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From reading a ton of insider documents that
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Alex has referenced in the past, I have a
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pretty good sense that I don't think that's
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going to be found in any declassified Ford
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Foundation Soros documents, but guess where
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similar ideas do show up?
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion!
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion!
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So you know, it's crazy, there's these
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passages in the Protocols about how, you know,
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these elders are using the media to lie to
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people, and how that's part of their nefarious
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plans.
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Here's from Protocol Number Two, where it's
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discussed how the elders have taken over the
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media and are using it to manipulate people
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deceptively.
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Quote,
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In the hands of the states of today there is
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a great force that creates the movement of
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thought in people, and that is the press. The
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part played by the press is to keep pointing
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our requirements supposed to be indispensable,
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to give voice to the complaints of the people,
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and express and to create discontent. It is
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in the media that the triumph of freedom of
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speech finds its incarnation. But the goyim
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states have not known how to make use of this
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force, and it has fallen into our hands.
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Oh, and then there's an entire section in
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Protocol Twelve about their control over the
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media, and it has the sub-headline, quote,
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Only lies printed.
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Also, here's for Protocol Number Three, quote,
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We shall so wear down the goyim that they
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will be compelled to offer us international
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power of a nature that by its position will
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enable us without any violence gradually to
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absorb all the state forces of the world and
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form a super-government.
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What you see here is a discussion of a plan
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to use the media that they've taken over to
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lie and deceive and manipulate in order that
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they shall be able to wear people down to the
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point where they just give up and allow them
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to create a world government without any need
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for bloodshed. Blah, blah, blah, boop, boop,
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boop. Exactly what Alex is talking about.
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Yep.
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Now, I'm starting to work on a little bit of
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a theory, and I promise the rest of this
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episode isn't just going to be me being like,
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haha, Alex is just repeating protocol shit.
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Right, right, right. Although that would be
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fun.
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I thought about it, but then I realized how
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thematically that would get really exhausting
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for the listeners. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I do want to point out that these are just
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a couple of instances from the first 15 minutes
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of one of his episodes, and they very clearly
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trace back to the protocols. And I'm starting
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to work on this theory that whenever Alex
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doesn't offer a source on something that he
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claims is declassified or admitted, he's just
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referencing the protocols that the elders
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have his eye on. But he knows that he can't
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openly start preaching about this debunked
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anti-Semitic shit without losing all the most
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extreme people in his base, which probably
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isn't enough to keep the bills paid. So he
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pretends that they're some sort of, you know,
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oh, declassified, they admitted it, it's in the
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congressional record or whatever, and then
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never cite it because he's really just repeating
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protocols shit. Right.
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That's a theory I have. I can see that.
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I don't know if that's true. Right.
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But every single time he brings up something
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in the future that is declassified or is
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admitted, they admitted back in the blank,
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you know, back at this era or whatever, that
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I don't have a citation for and he's not
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specific about, I'm going to see if it traces
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back to the protocols. And I guarantee...
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That will be interesting.
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I guarantee that there will at least be some
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overlap.
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Yeah, I bet you'll get a 60% hit rate.
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I think that's probably fair. But at this
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point, still a hypothesis.
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Fair.
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It's not even fair to call it a theory.
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No.
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I hypothesize that this is the case and I
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will apply the scientific method moving
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forward.
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We'll need at least three to create a
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pattern.
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So this July 16th is Tuesday. On Wednesday,
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Trump has his rally where things took a
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turn for the authoritarian and fascistic.
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Yeah, yeah, that's trouble.
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But on Tuesday, Alex is way ahead of the
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curve. And man, he is just screaming about
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Ilana Omar.
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Of course, of course.
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Real hard. It's pretty gross. A lot of the
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time it's this whole string is just him
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being like, she comes from the high class
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Somali bloodline stock and they're slavers.
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And so he starts trying to scream about
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how Somalia was involved in the slave
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trade and Muslims are all to blame for
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slavery.
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Sure.
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I'm not going to get into a ton of that,
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but that's just sort of context for some
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of these clips.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In this first one here, Alex is screaming
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about how the West loves women.
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And then he gets gross.
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We're told how we're bad to women and
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we're bad to children when it's the opposite.
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Everyone's trying to get in here because
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we treat women and children better than
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everybody else. And that's the truth.
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And Ilana Omar has a chip on her shoulder
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because she comes from a failed backwards
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hellhole.
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It's all about conquest, but they can't
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even conquer their own lust for power.
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So the Somalis can't produce toilet
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paper to wipe their asses.
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They can't produce electricity.
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They can't do crap.
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But I'll tell you, every Somali I ever
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met will tell me to my face in the street.
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Well, they get in my face how they're
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God's chosen and they're going to take
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the world over and I'm going to learn
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from them.
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Well, guess what?
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You arrogant people, you're a bunch of
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inbred crazy people.
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Did he just say all Somalis are a bunch
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of inbred crazy people?
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Certainly made that generalization, yeah.
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I mean, when you hear stuff like that,
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it's like you can't say things like that
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and then pretend that you have a nuanced
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political point.
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Like that's just outright racism.
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That's just outright white supremacy,
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white nationalism, whatever label you
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want to put on it, depending on what
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subject he's covering at the time.
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That is just...
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Yeah, that's stark.
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I mean, there's really nothing to even...
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Like if you hear somebody say that,
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you just go, okay, you're done.
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I can't even imagine like a straight
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news person complaining about people
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of a certain ethnicity yelling at them
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on the street.
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No, that's insane.
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Like even that part of it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like you take the you all are a bunch
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of inbred crazy people out of the equation.
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Right.
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Just the complaining about like,
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oh, they all yell at me.
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Yeah, yeah, Wolf Blitzer goes on and...
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That is unbecoming in and of itself.
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But it's so crazy how far gone Alex is.
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It's like we just, you know,
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that criticism doesn't even land.
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No, no, that kind of rolls off the back.
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You're being a bad journalist.
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Even he would just burst out laughing at that.
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Yeah.
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So he has some other complaints
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about Representative Omar,
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and here is one of them.
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I'm going to get into the breaking news.
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Ilhan Omar, it turns out, lobbied for ISIS.
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Yeah, she's a frickin' terrorist.
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Of course she is.
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She is a conqueror.
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We let a serpent in.
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We let a scorpion in.
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We put a brown recluse, a black widow,
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a rattlesnake in our bed.
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Of course she'll bite you.
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She hates you.
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She's a devil.
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We'll be right back.
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Stay with us.
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Hate that he's doing that over that song.
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Yeah, I know.
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This is the day before Trump's rally.
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This is, this is...
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Now granted, Trump had already, you know,
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sent out some not great tweets,
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and Alex is doing, you know,
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his best to cover for that.
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Right.
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By being worse than those tweets.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But you have to, you know,
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this is, this is, I mean...
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They're just trying to get her killed.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's, that's, I don't,
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I don't understand how...
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And to make it okay.
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I don't understand how they're,
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like, you, can you do that?
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I don't think you can,
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like, it seems like this is a crime.
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This is an incitement to violence.
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Like, I mean, the fucking president
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has just committed a crime.
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Well, but to be fair, you know,
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now on Thursday he's said that
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he didn't like that they chanted that,
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so he's fine.
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Fuck him!
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I know.
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I don't give a goddamn fuck!
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Why isn't he,
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why isn't he even arrested for that shit?
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Or even at least, like,
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charged with a crime.
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I imagine myself in, like,
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one of those body swap comedies
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where, like, I end up, like,
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you know, record scratches,
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I end up in Trump's body
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while they're chanting.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Send her back, like,
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how do you stop it?
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Like, I don't think he could stop it
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even if he wanted to.
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No, he doesn't control it anymore.
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That's not to let him off the hook,
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because he's definitely still feeding it
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and making it worse.
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Right.
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But, like, I think about, like,
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even a person with the best intentions
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dropped into this circumstance, like,
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these people that you have,
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you have fed and led down this path,
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like, they are not going to stop.
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It's, like, it's very scary.
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No, I remember specifically
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this scene from Speaker for the Dead,
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the sequel to Ender's Game,
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and it may have been that one,
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it may have been the one after that,
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but one of the main characters
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starts inciting all of these people
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and turning them into a mob
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and he's describing it so well,
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this feeling of being part of something
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and almost, like,
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just letting your will be
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become part of the mob will
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and how that feels really good.
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And then he was the one leading it
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and then it just got out of control
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because you can't control it.
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Yeah.
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Once the mob is there,
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it doesn't matter what an individual
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says or does,
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and so once you're kicked out of it,
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you just realize,
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oh, fuck, what have I done?
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Yeah.
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It's almost like you're dissociating.
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Yep.
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Or you are.
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I know that feeling from, like, concerts
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and, like, you know,
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even sometimes I've been at church,
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there's that feeling of, like,
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becoming absorbed into the hole
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and it's just when that
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is used so negatively.
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Right.
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So dangerously.
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Right.
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Like, that positive feeling
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that you have of being absorbed
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into a group of people
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because it feels so good
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and is so powerful
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can lead to real fucked up things,
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as we're seeing.
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Yeah, and you can only direct it.
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You can't control it.
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So that's the thing.
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And even that is dicey.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You know, you can hope to direct it.
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Yeah, you can kind of try and point it.
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Which is kind of what Alex is also doing.
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Exactly.
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And QAnon.
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And hopefully, you know,
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Just to get this out of the way, Jordan,
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Ilhan Omar did not lobby for ISIS
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and she's not a terrorist.
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Alex Jones is an overt white nationalist
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who can't handle criticism
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from a non-white person
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and he'll take any opportunity
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to scream bullshit
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in order to defend his positions
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without making them explicit.
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In November 2016,
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nine men were on trial in Minneapolis
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for attempting to buy fake passports
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to travel to Syria,
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presumably to train with ISIS.
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These were young men
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and they were facing 30 to 40 years
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in prison for their crimes.
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As a newly elected congressperson in Minnesota,
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Ilhan Omar wrote to the judge
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not in an attempt to lobby for ISIS
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but to encourage approaching the situation
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from the perspective of restorative justice
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as opposed to one of punitive justice.
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She was one of 13 individuals or organizations
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that wrote to the judge
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expressing this sentiment.
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In the letter, she points out that
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incarcerating these men
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for what amounts to basically their whole lives
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in effect helps terrorist recruitment.
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Saying, quote,
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society will have no expectations of the
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to be 50 or 60 year old released prisoners.
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It will view them with distrust and revulsion.
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Such punitive measures do not only lack efficacy,
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they inevitably create an environment
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in which extremism can flourish,
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aligning with the presupposition
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of terrorist recruitment.
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That is, Americans do not accept you
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and continue to trivialize your value
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instead of being a nobody, be a martyr.
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She doesn't tell the judge what they should do.
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Rather, she offers a perspective
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that this sort of fanaticism,
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her word,
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she uses the word fanaticism
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to describe these people,
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can be fought most effectively with compassion.
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The fanaticism grows out of feelings
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of systemic alienation,
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which is what we should all be working against.
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She doesn't say that these men
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should not be held responsible
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for their actions,
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just that there's a better way
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to deal with these situations
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than by locking somebody up for decades.
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I think the important point
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to really highlight here is that
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these men didn't commit any violent act.
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They had the intention
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of joining a terrorist organization,
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and that could mean
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that they're not past the point
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of possible rehabilitation at that point.
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Right.
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You're welcome to have whatever feelings
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about that that you want.
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I think that you can probably have like,
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yeah, it's a good idea to lock them up
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or it's a bad idea, whatever.
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I think you could probably
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have a reasonable argument.
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You're not too far gone
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if you encourage locking up people
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who make overtures
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to join a terrorist organization.
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Right.
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I don't think that that's beyond the pale.
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I disagree with that,
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but I don't think that you're a monster
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for thinking that.
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But it's entirely off base
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to use this story as proof
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that Ilhan Omar is a terrorist
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or supports ISIS.
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To twist the story like this
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is to take a person's compassion
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and use it as a weapon against them,
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which is something that Alex
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would never be doing if Omar was white.
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Alex constantly has Vox Day
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on his show as a guest,
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who legitimately celebrates arch terrorist
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Anders Breivik as a freedom fighter.
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Breivik didn't just plan something awful.
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He killed tons of people.
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If Alex had any intellectual consistency,
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he could never endorse
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or give a platform to someone like Vox Day
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and simultaneously pretend
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that Omar's letter to a judge
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is proof that she's a terrorist.
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He can do both
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because he's a white supremacist
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who is totally fine with white terrorism
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that's directed against the scourge
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that is multiculturalism.
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And he believes that appeals
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to restorative justice,
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where marginalized people
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are welcomed into the body of society,
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is an appeal to terrorism.
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It's just that simple.
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You can make all this make sense.
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It does make sense.
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All you have to do is consider it
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through the prism of,
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yeah, he's fine with white terrorism
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done by people who are afraid
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of multiculturalism.
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He thinks that appeals to multiculturalism
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are in themselves terrorism.
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Why is that?
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I don't know.
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Because he's a fucking
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super white identity dude.
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Yeah.
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That's what it is.
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I mean, if you think that any encroachment
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on white supremacy is a terrorist act,
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then yes, I suppose in his idea
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she is a terrorist.
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That's how this makes sense.
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Exactly.
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And if Alex doesn't want that
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to be the conclusion people reach,
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he should behave differently.
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Yeah.
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Because his behavior strongly implies that.
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Yeah, I've always been confused
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as to why people don't understand
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why you would join ISIS
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or something like that.
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Like, it seems very obvious to me.
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Like, okay.
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You're not saying that it's a good decision.
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No, no, no.
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But I mean, America,
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I was 12 years old
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and America bombed my fucking home
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and my mom died.
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And now I'm 17.
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I don't have any job.
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I don't have anything.
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And I know that America sent a bomb to me.
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And I see a large group of people
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who are chanting, you know,
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xenophobic shit to the president
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who doesn't stop them.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's reasonable.
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It's not a good thing.
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It's not a good thing.
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I'm gonna stop just short of calling it reasonable.
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I don't want to say reasonable.
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Reasonable isn't the word.
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You can understand it.
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Not, it's reasonable.
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You're able to extend your brain
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into a position where it would seem
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like a reasonable decision
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as opposed to it being like,
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well, yes, it makes rational sense.
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Right, right, right.
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No, I'm not saying it makes rational sense,
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but yes.
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So Alex wants to yell a bunch
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about how the Muslims started
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the slave trade in Somalia.
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And he gets really mad
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that he can't get a map to come up
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on his sort of overhead cam.
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And so he gets up and starts screaming
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while pointing at the backdrop
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because he's got a map there.
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Okay.
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I see the Google map.
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Horn of Africa.
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Yeah, just give me a wireless handheld.
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I'm gonna do this more and more.
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I'll walk around the office.
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Yeah, go on up.
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The horn's up here.
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I don't have a mic.
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I'll yell it.
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The horn's up here.
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The horn's over here.
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I don't have a mic, but I'll do it.
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The horn's right here.
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That's the Horn of Africa right there.
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They take the slaves up right here.
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Okay, that's how they do it.
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See this?
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See Somalia right there?
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That's where they took the slaves
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out of Kenya and out of Ethiopia
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and out of Sudan
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and out of all these other places
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and loaded them on ships
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for a thousand years
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to ship them all over the world
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all the way in the Pacific Ocean.
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But the white man did it.
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Not the precious Muslim,
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not the precious Islam
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when Muhammad was a slaver
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in Mecca and Medina
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where they sold slaves
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from all over the world.
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But see, I'm a bad man, you see,
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because I know the history.
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I'm a bad man, see?
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I gotta be shut up.
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I'm a white devil.
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Everybody wants to get into my country
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because all the medicine
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and all the technology
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and all the rest of stuff.
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See, I'm the bad guy.
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You just don't get that from MSNBC.
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You just don't get that.
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You don't get this level
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of professionalism that is being expressed.
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I do think that's one of the reasons
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that this show, I still appreciate
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doing this show is because,
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God damn it, he might just do that.
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It's beater of the mind.
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Yeah, I had no idea.
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Just imagine Wolf Blitzer
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yelling about like,
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just walking away from his desk,
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pointing at the wall and being like,
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I'm the white devil.
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Sure, make me feel bad.
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Everyone wants to get
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to my white man country.
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It's insane to imagine
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the sort of behavior being done
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by literally anybody.
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Like Tucker Carlson would say
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this type of racist shit,
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but not in the same way.
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Tucker knows better.
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He had a trial by fire
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when he tried to do the bow tie for years
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and he realized like,
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don't fuck around.
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It's not worth it, Alex.
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But that also was a testament
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to how much Alex's brand is real.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The fact that he can do this stuff
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and it's never a crisis.
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He doesn't come in the next day
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and he's like, I'm sorry.
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You know, that was, no.
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With the exception of maybe
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whenever he may or may not
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have threatened that lawyer.
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Well, yeah, that one does.
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That might have required an apology.
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That could have been necessary, yeah.
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So in this next clip,
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Alex talks more about these
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Muslim slave folk.
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But the real history of the world's
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not even debated.
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Ilhan Omar wants to tell you
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how much America sucks
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and how bad it is.
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I know that boom camera
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doesn't go all the way over here.
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Maybe the document cam does,
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but see, here's India.
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Right over here is Africa.
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Right over here is the Middle East.
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And all through here,
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if you look where Islam is,
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you wonder how it got
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all over the world.
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That's because of slave ships.
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Alex, would you like to open up
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a conversation about missionaries?
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And fair enough.
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No, no, no, no, Dan, no.
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Would you like to open up
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a conversation about, you know,
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tons of colonization efforts
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that were masquerading
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as bringing Christianity
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to the unwashed masses
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that were really just
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brutal exploitation
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and resource stripping?
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They just needed the fur.
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Right.
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Nobody is innocent in the history
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and no one needs to feel guilty.
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We need to move forward
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and heal these wounds
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so we can live together.
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That's what we need to do.
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And obsessing about the idea
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of feeling guilt
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about the long distant past
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is only a way to not
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deal with these things.
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Right.
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And that will keep
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these things a problem.
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And that's what Alex wants.
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There's a stark difference now
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as it's kind of,
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as the question is becoming
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more and more clear,
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it's becoming more and more
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a stark choice of one group of people
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like Ilhan Omar and I suppose
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I hope most of us are trying to
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notice America's failures
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and use that information
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to improve America.
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Yeah.
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That's the idea.
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And then the other choice is
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they are trying to improve America
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by removing everybody else.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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There's visions of the future
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and one is hopeful
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and one is dark.
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Dark indeed.
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So in this next clip,
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Alex says some more stuff about Omar
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and I think that this is not,
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I mean, I know it's not good.
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Why do I say I think?
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I know this is terrible.
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Boobies are slavers out of Somalia.
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One thing that Alex does a lot
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is he talks about boobies,
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the pirate term.
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Yeah.
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But whenever he does,
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he gets really defensive
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about the idea that people think
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he's talking about titties.
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Right, right, right.
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So I cut out the part before this
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where he's talking about that,
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but it's so consistent.
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He loves using the word boobies
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but also knows that it's like,
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I got dumb listeners.
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I got to make sure they know
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that I'm not,
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I'm not talking about
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blue-footed boobies.
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The bird either.
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I'm not talking about breasts.
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It just doesn't seem worth it.
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It's not.
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You could just say pirates.
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And they're arrogant
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and they have a right to rule
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and they'll rob your ship
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and they'll kidnap you
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and they'll kill you in a minute
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and they'll come to your country
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and they'll tell you to bow to them
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or you're a racist
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and you know what you do
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when they do it?
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You get on your knees to them
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and you say I'm a piece of crap slaver.
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I'm your slave.
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And Ilhan says,
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that's right, dirty American.
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You're mine now.
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So I mean,
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all you could see here
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is just a building up of
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a narrative against her.
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When you see this on the Tuesday
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and then Wednesday,
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you see Trump's rally.
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It's not that one leads to the other.
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It's that we're living in a point of acceleration
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surrounding this
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and the targeting of this woman
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is so severe and so scary.
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No, they're trying to kill her.
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So in this next clip,
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Alex talks more about her letter
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that she sent to this judge in Minneapolis.
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And I want to point out that like,
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there are just factual lies
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that he's saying here.
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I kind of got wound up there last segment.
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You did.
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But it's because I've got articles like this
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on Infowars.com.
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That's a flashback,
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but I'd forgotten about it.
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I'd forgotten about it.
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Ilhan Omar begs judge
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to show mercy to ISIS terrorists.
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Jamie White wrote the story last night.
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Of course, it got no attention.
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Who cares that she publicly wrote letters
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saying that these individuals were
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freedom fighters
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and that they were fighting evil
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when they worked for ISIS
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and so that they shouldn't get prison time.
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She didn't say they were freedom fighters.
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Vox Dei says that Anders Breivik
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is a freedom fighter, literally.
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Yep.
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So she doesn't,
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she didn't say that.
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She called them,
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what they were involved in is fanaticism.
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Yeah.
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She called it extremism.
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So like this is just factually inaccurate.
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And the only reason you would make
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that kind of factually inaccurate claim
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is if you were more interested
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in the perception that you're painting
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as opposed to the reality.
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Right.
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Which is very key.
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So in this next clip,
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Alex just talks about how
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Ilhan Omar comes from Somali royalty
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and that her family was involved in slaving.
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I don't see him pointing to anything
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other than her skin color.
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And he says literally
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that she doesn't look like other Africans.
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What?
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Right.
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So he uses that as sort of his defense
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for why he thinks that she comes
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from higher class Somali stock,
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which is not good.
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Does that mean that,
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is he actually just trying to say
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that she's of fairer skin,
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which is why he thinks that she's from a...
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I think he's beating around the bush
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on that a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But other than that,
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I see no evidence that he points to
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to defend these claims that he's making,
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which is a problem.
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I know slavery got ended by the British
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200 years ago.
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And I know Somali used to have
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all those big castles
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and big slave ships
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and all that cash and harems
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and, you know,
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and you're from the upper ruling
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Arab class and everything,
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and you're going to rule,
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you're going to show us with your all arrogance.
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I am Somali royal slave.
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Bow to me.
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I have my head the size of peanut.
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It's not going to happen.
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Kiss my American red, white,
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and blue patootus.
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Have a big old slice of bacon burger for yourself.
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That's obscenely offensive.
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My head's the size of a peanut.
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The impression that he's doing,
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the fact that his brain
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immediately goes to have a big old bacon burger.
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It's just, this is hateful.
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This is fucked up.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip,
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we get sort of off the Alon Omar business
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because Alex is coming back from break
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and he's in a real weird mood.
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And he has a terrifying prophecy
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of what's to come in this country.
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I was thinking this morning
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when I saw about flesh eating bacteria
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spreading all over the US from illegal aliens
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and how ice is ordered to not even treat people
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and just get them in,
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that it's as above, so below,
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as below, so above.
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The globalists are going to release a bio weapon.
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I think more than blowing up a nuclear reactor
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or maybe even nuking Trump.
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I'm not saying they're going to do it.
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I think they, I know they've obviously got plans
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for things all the time going
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that they don't implement,
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but they've got their finger on the trigger,
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on the switches.
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That's dumb, you're dumb.
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They're trying to crash the economy
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and that could do it.
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And so they're losing control
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of the intelligence agencies right now.
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But I smell bio attack
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or a big giant right wing attack on somebody.
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Giant right wing attack on some groups
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with a whole bunch of right wing pats.
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He's in a huge false flag
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and they don't want us there
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when they stage it being on air
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to have witnesses that'll go actually show what happened.
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That part at the end there,
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I think is a kind of him showing his cards a little bit
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that he's pretty worried that the trends
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that we're seeing in the present day
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are probably, I mean, you know,
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you see these caches of weapons that are found.
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You see these groups.
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I think that he recognizes on some level,
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there's probably going to be
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a rash of right wing violence.
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There's a decent chance
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that something really fucked up is gonna happen.
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And, you know, I should probably have that
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as a part of my narratives, just in case.
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God, that's such, I, oh man, that's cheating.
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You know, that's fucking cheating.
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That's his whole career.
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It's like, no, you're just,
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like, I feel helpless in the face of somebody
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who is actively inspiring and inciting violence.
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And then as part of his narrative saying that
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when that violence is carried out,
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it has nothing to do with any of us.
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And we'll all be just patsies.
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Exactly.
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That's such cheating.
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That's unfair.
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It is.
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It's terrible.
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But again, here in that clip,
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we find Alex once again spreading his incredibly
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not far off from Nazi talking point
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about immigrants being the carriers of disease.
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Unfortunately, his dumb ass Ebola
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and San Antonio narrative was a complete flop.
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So he's had to pivot to the vague notion
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that immigrants are bringing in the flesh eating bacteria.
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Flesh eating bacteria is a condition
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that's very scary since it acts very rapidly
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and involves the spreading of like decaying of your flesh.
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It's visually really fucking scary.
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If you've ever seen it all.
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It's visceral in the same way that Ebola is,
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which makes it a perfect candidate
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for Alex to use as a condition
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to attach to the population he's seeking to demonize.
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According to the CDC, since 2010,
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between 700 and 1200 cases of the condition
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occur annually in the United States.
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And here's the thing that everyone who knows
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anything about flesh eating bacteria knows.
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Most of the reports of it happen during the summer.
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Why?
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Because almost everyone catches
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flesh eating bacteria from swimming
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or falling into warm water.
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When Alex, when is Alex seeing an increase
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in reports of flesh eating bacteria?
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The summer.
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What does he arbitrarily decide to blame it on?
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Immigrants.
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Why?
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Because he's an overt white nationalist
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who would blame immigrants for anything
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he felt he could get away with.
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A quick look through the stories
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about flesh eating bacteria from recent days
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show a clear trend.
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Nashville man contracted flesh eating bacteria
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while kayaking.
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Virginia woman recovering from flesh eating bacteria.
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She says she's recovering after she went swimming
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at a beach in Norfolk.
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Milton woman contracted flesh eating bacteria
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after scalloping in Port St. Joe.
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Here's a tough one from CBS.
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Quote, Florida man contracts flesh eating bacteria
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without even touching the water.
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Man, I bet Alex would say that was probably immigrants.
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However, if you read the article in the fourth paragraph,
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you get a clue of what might be up.
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Quote, Tyler King owns a water sports business.
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I've got a small theory on that guy.
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No.
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God damn it.
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Anyone who isn't trying to demonize immigrants
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would never blame an uptick in reports of flesh eating
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bacteria in the summer on immigrants.
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They would know that this is a very well understood phenomenon
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and happens every year.
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Alex doesn't fucking care about the truth.
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This is completely disgraceful and embarrassing.
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Uh, white nationalist propaganda he's disseminating.
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There is no two ways about it.
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And just to make this very blunt, the CDC is very clear.
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Quote, it's very rare for someone with necrotizing
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fasciitis to spread the infection to other people.
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It's not considered a condition that has a risk
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of being highly transmittable person to person.
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They don't even routinely prescribe antibiotics
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for people who are in close proximity to people
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who get bacteria because it just doesn't spread that way.
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It spreads from people who are at risk swimming in warm water.
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When you talk about at risk, there are certain conditions
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like, you know, having cirrhosis of the liver,
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diabetes that make you at higher risk of getting the bacteria.
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But then at the same time, if you have an open wound
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or if you fall into warm water and you get cut by something,
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you have a higher risk.
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Right.
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Serious researchers are concerned that we're seeing
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an uptick in cases of bacteria, but it's not because of immigrants.
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It's because of climate change.
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As water temperatures rise, the amount of time that ocean water
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is at a temperature where the bacteria can live
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and reproduce increases, which in turn increases
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the chances of someone catching it.
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Even so, it's not something that most people
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should worry about all that much.
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Cases of people who don't have open wounds
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or preexisting conditions that put them at risk
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catching flesh eating bacteria are exceedingly rare.
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So to sum this up, Alex is a white nationalist
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trying to create fear around a manufactured issue
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in an attempt to sway public opinion against immigrants.
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It's very clear.
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A to B to C.
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There's no two ways about this.
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Yeah, it's fucked up that the entire Republican policy platform
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makes the world worse.
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And then the people who are running interference
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and propaganda for it blame all that shit,
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not on the Republican policy platform,
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but on immigrants, thus making the world a worse place
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and then making the world a worse place
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allows them to blame immigrants
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for making the world a worse place.
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It's a perpetual bullshit machine.
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Yep.
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So Jordan, at this point on the 16th here,
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Alex has a guest come in and I almost gasped
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when I heard who it was.
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Barnes.
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All right, joining us is Fox days and a kid at college.
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God damn it.
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publisher filmmaker for the next 30 minutes
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and then in studio before she goes back to Ohio.
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Caitlin Bennett.
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Who cares?
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Caitlin Bennett.
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Nope.
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I want to say very clearly that one of the ways
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that I generally prepare these episodes
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is I will listen to Alex and when he says something
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really substantial, I will pause the episode,
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dig into the things that he's saying and then move on.
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So I had already written and researched
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all the stuff about Alana Omar and her letter to the judge.
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And made the comparison to Vox day.
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Exactly.
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And then all of a sudden Vox day fucking shows up.
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Yeah.
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You're the devil, Dan.
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It was really weird to me.
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I was like, I can't believe that he's the best example
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that refutes Alex's position about what he was saying earlier
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in the episode.
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And here he is as a guest.
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It's very bizarre.
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It's almost like he's fucking with people.
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You are fucking with people.
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I swear to God, you're making this happen all by yourself.
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Every time we do a 2013 episode and then
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we do a modern day episode and they line up fucking perfectly.
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It's very weird.
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This is all your, okay.
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Are we living in a simulation where you're actually
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the main character?
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I hope not.
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It's freaking me out.
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If so, I've done a terrible job of creating the circumstances
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for myself to be in.
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This isn't what I would choose.
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I don't know.
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A lot of people have a little bit of self-flagellation in them.
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Yeah, maybe.
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So, you know, Vox day, one of the things that he wants to do
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is he wants to spend a good amount of time complaining
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about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Presley.
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Women of color doing anything, period.
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Right.
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Those four congresspeople that he, you know, they're real
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fucking scared about.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And he says a couple things that I think are just like,
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uh oh.
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Being born in the United States doesn't make anyone
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an American any more than being born in a manger
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made Jesus Christ a cow.
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And the idea that the dirt is magic.
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The idea that geography determines genetics and nationality
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is an absolute lie that literally every major thinker
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dating back to the Chinese sages would have laughed at.
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You're on real dangerous territory here when you are like,
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yes, we're all citizens, but some of us are more citizens.
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Yeah.
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That to me, especially when you're specifically talking
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about four congresspeople of color.
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Like that to me is really fucking dangerous.
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That idea.
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Because once you introduce that it's possible that there's
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levels of citizenship.
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Right.
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Like, yes, of course they're all citizens,
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but they're not Americans.
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Right, right, right.
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No, no, no.
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Fuck you, Vox Day.
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We want to be of comparable level, but apart.
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What I'm saying is we want to be apart from each other,
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but also equal.
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We want to be separate but equal.
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So in this next clip, Vox Day expresses
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that we should all be thrilled about Trump in his camps
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because what comes next, if he doesn't do this,
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will be way worse, which is kind of fucked up.
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But then the way Alex responds to it,
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I think is even more fucked up and indicates
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he knows what's going on and he's fucking into it.
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For those who are concerned that Trump is an extremist
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and putting people in concentration camps
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and is a Nazi and all that sort of thing,
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they had better embrace and accept, endorse,
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and support his boomer civic nationalism
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because they're really going to like what comes after that
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a lot less, whether it's from the left or from the right,
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because the history of human migration
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has always been accompanied by large scale war
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and balkanization, and Trump recognizes this
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and he's attempting to get in the way of it.
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That's right, he's doing everybody a favor
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because if we go a socialist model,
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describe that versus a fascist model,
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which he'll probably go towards.
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I mean, if they really want right wing fascism,
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they're conjuring it.
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So he's basically saying like, yeah,
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right wing fascism is probably coming,
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but it's also the left's fault.
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So we're the ones causing right wing fascism.
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Right, it's a good way to be like,
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hey, a lot of people on the left have been warning
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that looks like we're heading in that direction
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and that made us do it.
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Same thing with like, hey, you know,
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you call people racist long enough,
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they're gonna fucking start throwing the N word around.
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You're gonna make them racist by calling them racist.
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That's how it works.
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You guys have all said that we're drifting dangerously
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close towards something that looks a lot like fascism
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and because of that, you've made me a fascist.
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How am I, what am I supposed to do?
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You called me in enough, like fuck you.
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Yeah, I am, all right, fine.
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What we should have done, what we should have done
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is nothing and then allowed them to create it on their own
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and that, wait, no, we'd still get to right wing fascism.
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So literally anything we do is going to be at fault
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for your right wing fascism.
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Right.
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Thanks.
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Thanks, dude.
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Yep, it's a trap.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Vox Dei, again, who admires Anders Breivik.
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Can't stress that enough.
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Not a small detail about this shithead.
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He has this to say about the Congress people.
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Again, just reiterating, they're not Americans.
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The fact that he's willing to take on these issues publicly,
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the fact that he's willing to take the media's Overton window
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and smash it completely with regards to the fact
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that these women are not Americans
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and do not belong there.
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Again, they're US citizens, but they're not Americans
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by any definition.
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They're an enemy within.
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All they do is say they hate the country.
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What?
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They're an enemy within?
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They're an enemy within.
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Fucking Christ.
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We're all going to die.
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Well, I mean, Alex can present it all he wants
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as like they hate the country.
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And that's what I'm actually talking about.
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It's not something else.
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But that's so nebulous and impossible to define.
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Like the idea that any sort of criticism of the country
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makes you not an American.
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You're a citizen.
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You're not an American.
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I would say that every, until Trump got elected,
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Alex is then condemning himself.
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Well, yeah, but he's a terrorist.
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But he's actually a real American.
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Oh, OK.
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And real Americans can criticize the government.
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Before Trump got in, it was a globalist occupied government.
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Right.
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So real Americans.
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He wasn't actually anti-American.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He wasn't anti the country.
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It was the government that was anti the country.
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It was their fault.
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See, they were making him be un-American, Dan.
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You kind of get that sense that everything
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is someone else's fault.
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It does seem like everything is somebody else's fault.
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So the two of these shitheads have a longer conversation.
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I don't really care about it.
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It's all fucking stupid.
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And Alex trying to sell Fox days comic book.
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And so that ends the 16th.
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We get now into the 17th.
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And Alex spends the first hour of his show on something
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that I find to be one of the more disturbing things.
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It's low key incredibly disturbing.
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It may not appear to be immediately,
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but I think I can explain why.
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It has to do with the camps, the detention
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centers for immigrants that are being run
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by ICE and the Border Patrol.
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Right.
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Alex has found a camp.
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Who will all be tried at Nuremberg, I assume.
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We'll see.
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Alex has found a video that Candace Owens put out.
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And here is him introducing the subject.
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There was a Candace Owens rant where she's saying,
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I want this to go the most viral of any video I've ever done.
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And she's on her own now showing with Turning Point USA.
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And she's a handheld camera shot.
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But it's a powerful rant.
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She speaks for all of us in her anger.
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It makes the same points I make that these videos,
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these facilities with a third party journalist
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in show that it's nicer than the summer camp
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I just dropped my daughters off at a few weeks ago.
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So you can hear Alex saying that she came out with this video.
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She's not with Turning Points USA anymore.
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She's filming this on her own.
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He's presenting this like a current video.
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For one thing, the Candace Owens video is from as far back as September 2018.
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That can't be real.
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It was posted on her Facebook on September 7th, 2018.
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I assume it was streamed live because she does mention that she's streaming it.
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So this is in no way current news.
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Also, she went to an ICE facility in Broward County, Florida.
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And Alex is using it to somehow refute the argument that AOC and others have made
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that there's problems at the detention centers on our border.
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The only thing Florida borders is the water.
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That's where they get all that flesh-eating bacteria from.
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Could be.
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Candace's video proves literally nothing.
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And neither do the clips Alex shows to try and help build her case.
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For reasons I'll explain later.
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Her video is almost a year old and from halfway across the country
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from where the problem is that's being discussed.
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What Alex and Candace are doing here is a classic propaganda tactic.
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Because Alex knows that he can't really address the actual complaints
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and very serious issues that are being brought up about ICE and border patrol
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without either condemning Trump or overtly supporting abusing detainees,
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he moves the goalposts.
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People are talking about detainee abuse in Camp X.
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So he provides footage of and discussion of Camp Y
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to pretend to demonstrate that all the hoopla about Camp X
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is just overblown virtue signaling and the left being out of their minds.
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I try to be sensitive about this
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and I try to avoid comparing things to the Holocaust.
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But Alex is literally mimicking Nazi propaganda strategies.
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So I really don't know what else I can do in this circumstance.
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No, we're there.
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Many people forget that during World War II
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the Nazis were not completely open about what they were doing in their camps.
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People have this image in their head that it wasn't secretive.
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Like the Nazis didn't try to cover that up.
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They tried to create the public perception that these camps
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weren't as bad as everyone was saying that they were
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and the stories that were saying that they were really awful
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were almost certainly allied propaganda.
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From the US Holocaust Memorial Museum,
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positive stories were fabricated as part of the planned deception.
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One booklet printed in 1941 glowingly reported that in occupied Poland
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German authorities had put Jews to work,
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built clean hospitals, set up soup kitchens for Jews,
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and provided them with newspapers and vocational training.
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One of the central pieces of the grander deception
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was Theresienstadt, again from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.
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Quote, anticipating that some Germans might find the official story
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that Jews are being sent to the east to perform labor
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to be implausible in reference to elderly Jews,
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disabled war veterans, and prominent musicians or artists,
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the Nazi regime cynically publicized the existence of Theresienstadt
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as a residential community where elderly or disabled
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German and Austrian Jews could retire
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and live out their lives in peace and safety.
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Obviously this was bullshit.
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It served as little more than a stop along the way
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before the victims were sent to their ultimate destination
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and as a place where Nazis could use the place
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to help mold public perception about their activities.
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In 1944 the Red Cross wanted to tour Auschwitz
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but the Nazis knew they couldn't allow that
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but also they couldn't say no outright to the Red Cross
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wanting to tour a facility.
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They decided to allow the Red Cross to tour Theresienstadt.
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Quote, as an elaborate hoax, the SS authorities accelerated
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deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit
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and ordered the remaining prisoners to beautify the ghetto.
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Prisoners had to plant gardens, paint houses, and renovate barracks.
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The SS authorities staged social and cultural events
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for visiting dignitaries.
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I'm not necessarily trying to say that our government
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is currently producing Theresienstadt-style
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the-camps-aren't-so-bad propaganda.
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I'm saying Alex is.
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The strategy of neglecting accusations of abuse of people in custody in one place
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by pointing to the optics of a completely different place
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is directly out of the Nazi propaganda playbook.
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The Nazis did such a good job with their propaganda films
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about Theresienstadt that the reaction many people had
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was to wonder, quote, why ghetto residents appeared to be
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to live a better, more luxurious life than many Germans in wartime.
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You may have noticed that Alex keeps making similar comments
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about these camps.
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They're nicer than the camp he dropped his daughter off at.
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That was Candace's take, too, saying, quote,
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I'm infuriated for the children of America
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who nobody gives a shit about on the left.
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While they have their fake paid protesters that are pretending
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the people inside here are going through anything,
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and it's nicer than any public school system
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that I've ever seen in my life.
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That's the truth.
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The policies that I support from the Republican Party
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that have left these children in this horrible situation
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are what the left is not taking seriously.
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And ignoring whenever they talk about our concentration camps,
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which are also the policies of the party that I fucking support.
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Now, the obvious difference here is that the ICE people
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probably didn't create a completely manufactured reality
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for Candace to experience when she went to that camp,
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as the Nazis did in 1944.
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It might just, you know, the camp might very well have been
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as nice and well-run as she says it was.
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I need to stress, in this case, it's less about the government
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creating a false perception that the media then repeated.
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The media then repeats to the public.
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Because why would they bother when people like Alex and Candace
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are willing to do all that work for them?
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And it seems like people don't really care.
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Since Candace made her video, at least seven immigrant children
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have died in U.S. custody.
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And make no mistake about this, this isn't a Trump problem.
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This is an ICE problem, and it predates 2016.
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Obama is definitely to share some blame
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in the current situation, but it would be delusional to say
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that the Trump administration isn't making things much worse
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in allowing conditions to worsen.
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And I want to just make this clear,
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because I think it would be easy to misconstrue
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the point that I'm making.
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I'm not in any way saying that the camps that we are running
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are on par with the camps that were run by the Nazis.
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I'm not making any kind of direct comparison there.
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I'm talking specifically about this strategy
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that the Nazis used in order to shift public perception
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of the reality.
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Right.
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When you have ICE and border patrol facilities
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that are the subject of conversation
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by people in Congress, people who are concerned parties,
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the ACLU, human rights organizations,
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when you have people who are having those conversations
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about this specific thing, for Alex to talk about something
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else entirely in order to deflect
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from the original issue, that is specifically a Nazi strategy
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that they employed to trick the world community
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into being pacified and not taking the issue seriously.
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Which, interestingly enough, sounds very similar
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to something that was ascribed to the Jews
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in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion,
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an anti-Semitic fucking propaganda tactic.
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So in this next clip, Alex is just talking more
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about this Candace Owens video.
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And I'm only playing this to really drive home
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that he thinks it's current.
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He thinks that she just put this video out.
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Let me tell you what's coming up today.
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Incredible, powerful, to the point,
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rant by Candace Owens after she toured
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her third or fourth migrant detention center.
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But she's on her own now.
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She's not with Turning Point USA.
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She was too popular.
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So again, he's presenting this as a current thing.
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And he does it even more.
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So Candace Owens comes out.
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She's really pissed.
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She's outside the lavish facility.
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A lot of these are like in former nice hotels and stuff.
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We've gone and covered it.
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And she gets angry.
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And so she wants it to go viral.
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It is going viral.
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It's got like a million views, but only about a few hours.
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A few hours?
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But the problem is she's not with Turning Point USA anymore.
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She doesn't have any crew.
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She's hand shooting this.
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Well, guess what?
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I saw the left this morning at 5 a.m.
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when I was first up looking at this on her Twitter going,
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screw you.
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No, it's a camp.
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You're lying.
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So Alex is like, yeah, she wants it to go viral.
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We're going to help because you put it up a couple hours ago.
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Fucking bullshit.
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So in this next clip, Alex is very unclear about this.
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It's still talking about Candace Owens.
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And I thought he was talking about her specifically.
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He's talking about some other local Fox affiliate reporter
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who has a social media account on this thing,
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this other platform.
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And it does sort of relate to Candace Owens.
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Anyway, we need a little palate cleanser.
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And there's something kind of funny about this.
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A Fox news host in Phoenix who's an Emmy Award winner,
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they caught her with a parlor account,
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which is just a conservative or open Facebook alternative.
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And she got caught on tape being admonished
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that you're not supposed to say you're conservative.
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You'll get called extreme.
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So this is just another one of these social media upstarts
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where people who've been kicked off Facebook and Twitter
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have tried to create their own homes.
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Gab and Telegram were disasters and quickly descended
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into racist Nazi hell holes.
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Who would have guessed?
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So here we have another one.
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Now, the interesting thing about this
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is that the name of the site is Parler,
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pronounced like the French verb to speak.
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But people didn't like that shit.
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So they just started calling it Parler.
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So the official pronunciation of the name
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has now been changed to Parler.
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But it's spelled Parler?
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Well, that's how it P-A-R-L-E-R
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is how you spell the French verb, Parler.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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It wasn't spelled P-A-R-L-A-Y.
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No.
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Like that.
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Okay.
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I guess people are just quitting that.
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But the official pronunciation changed
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because people bucked back against the French pronunciation.
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For a platform that's supposed to be about free speech
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and free expression, it seems like a profoundly rocky start
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for the creator of the site to not even be allowed
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to call the site what he wants to
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due to crushing anti-French bias on the part of the mob.
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Yeah.
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Why didn't he just call it Freedom Page?
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Exactly.
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Since launching, Parler has gotten into a bit of a feud with Gab.
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The two of them have gotten into a beef.
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And most people think that the site kind of sucks.
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It's not scaled to the amount of users.
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So there's often, like, slowdown, glitching, that sort of thing.
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It's very not good as a user experience.
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A June 5th piece on Daily Dot points out that Candace Owens herself
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has only made 13 total posts on the site
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and hadn't posted anything since January.
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Because why would she?
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She's still on Twitter.
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And her grift doesn't really run on diminished levels of attention.
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It's good to signal to these alternatives to Twitter and be like,
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yeah, we're going to support them.
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This is what it's all about.
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Yeah.
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But if you can use the real thing, you're going to.
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Right.
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And you're going to refuse to pronounce the name correctly because you're an asshole.
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Yeah, they are assholes.
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Parley!
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So anyway, back to this.
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Speaking of social media, Alex makes an announcement about his video that he's created.
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So he took the video of Candace Owens from a year ago.
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Yeah.
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And he added evidence into the video.
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OK.
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That explains why he's pretending that it's...
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That the camps are all cool.
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They're great.
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They're better than his kids' summer camps.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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So he's made this video and look at look at what he says about social media.
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Powerful migration detention center rant with video proof.
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We've posted it to YouTube.
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We're posting it to Twitter.
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You need to get this out.
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I guess those bans are really working.
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Alex has posted it to YouTube and Twitter and is publicly
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announcing that I guess they still have some sort of presence.
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Can he do that?
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I guess so.
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That's not good.
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This is why I was, you know, very concerned whenever these social media bans started to
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happen is like, I know that they're shitheads and they're bad actors.
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They'll find a way around it.
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Well, yeah, clearly they have.
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There's some sort of a channel that they still have.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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You just you can't.
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There's no real level of control that you can exert that will actually keep people like Alex
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out.
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He'll get in the pool somehow and he's going to take a shit while he's in there.
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Right.
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But it's just it's just too much data.
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There shouldn't be that much data in any one place.
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There's no way that you can handle that.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex makes a correction about his coverage of Candace's video.
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And when I heard this, I was certain he's like, oh, I found out that it was from last
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September.
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Nope.
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Different correction.
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A quick correction, because I go through a lot of videos in the morning and I was watching
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this Candace Owens video at like five in the morning and I was like, oh, she left Reading
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Point USA.
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Look, she's shooting this video, her own handheld.
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I thought, oh, let's add the video proof because we've got all the video inside these centers
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to show it's super nice.
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Then I missed the two seconds where she's like, this is coming out.
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I got a film crew.
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And then you see two film crew guys like 50 feet behind her.
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So that's good.
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But but I was wondering, like, wow, why is she showing all this?
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And we already know this.
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I'm glad she's angry.
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We all should be angry.
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I'm angry.
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You certainly are.
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I can't believe that he thought to make a correction.
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And it wasn't that this is almost a year old video like how it's amazing to me.
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Now, he said that she didn't have a film crew.
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She was doing it by herself.
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But she did.
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He didn't see the whole part.
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Well, correction.
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But that's because in the video she mentions her film crew.
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Exactly.
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And he didn't see that part.
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But she doesn't say in the video it's September 2018.
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If she had, he would make a correction about that because it's too obviously I'm wrong.
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Right.
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Right. So in this next clip, Alex brings up those pieces that he added to her story in
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order to add proof that these places are basically hotels.
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Well, notice from Texas and California and Arizona.
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We spliced in footage that AP released yesterday showing exactly what she said she found in
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Florida and is going to be showing because all the facilities are the same.
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They're all the same.
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That doesn't sound right.
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Alex does play selected clips from this AP video that was released recently, but he's
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being fucking dishonest about it.
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This video is about a camp in Carrizo Springs, Texas, and it's run by the Department of Health
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and Human Services.
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Alex plays some clips where the kids are playing sports, being given juice and reading textbooks
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somehow. And I have no idea how he missed this part.
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He left out the quote from the DHHS spokesman Mark Weber, who says, quote, the reason for
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Carrizo Springs and the reason why we stood this up is, again, not to allow children to
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stay in Border Patrol stations any longer than they need to.
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You probably don't trust me.
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So here he is saying that the reason for Carrizo Springs and the reason why we stood this up
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is, again, not to allow children to stay in Border Patrol stations any longer than they
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need to.
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Oh, so I mean, that's why this this thing exists.
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This AP video is explicitly about a DHHS center that has been set up because of how unsafe
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ICE and Border Patrol centers are.
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That's not my interpretation of the video.
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Here's another part of this two and a half minute video that Alex seems to mysteriously
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have missed.
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Throughout the tour, HHS was eager to draw contrasts and make this point that it as an
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it as an agency is far better equipped to care for migrant children than various branches
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of federal law enforcement.
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The Associated Press reported on dilapidated and overcrowded conditions at the U.S. Border
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Patrol station in Clint, Texas, across the Rio Grande Valley.
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The Department of Homeland Security's inspector general said kids at three facilities had
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no access to showers and some children under seven had been held in cramped Border Patrol
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stations for more than two weeks.
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This video is two and a half minutes long.
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He's just selectively taking out the parts that help him build his false narrative.
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If you need this to be any more explicit, please listen to how this report ends.
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This is Kevin Dinnen speaking, who runs the company that took the contract to run the
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center explicitly under the condition that the government allow the children, quote,
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unfettered access to human rights lawyers, lawmakers and the media.
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In every response that we've done for ORR, it's been to keep kids out of CBP jail cells.
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So let me be clear, I'm not saying that this DHHS facility is a good thing and I still
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think it constitutes an inappropriate detention, but it's a completely different thing than
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the ICE and Border Patrol facilities that are being discussed by folks like AOC.
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And in fact, in that clip, it's very clear that the people who are running it do are
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running it specifically to keep kids out of the very unsafe things that are the things
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that AOC is talking about and complaining about.
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So if you're keeping score, Alex Jones has made an emergency video that has to go viral
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by combining an almost year old rant from Candace Owens's trip to a Florida detention
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center combined with an AP video about a center that was set up by a private contractor and
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the DHHS specifically to keep children out of ICE and Border Patrol centers where they
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often don't have access to showers.
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Alex is presenting these two things as some kind of a debunking of the atrocities that
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are being reported out of migrant detention centers, which should tell you all you need
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to know.
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He doesn't give a fuck about what's real.
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He doesn't give a fuck about those kids.
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He doesn't give a fuck about the truth.
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He doesn't give a fuck about doing a good job.
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If you're trying to do a good job as a journalist, he's failed miserably.
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But it's important to remember he's not trying to be a journalist or even a pundit.
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Consider this, if he were trying to do a good job of creating the image of a modern
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Theresienstadt for his followers to accept as the reality so they stay on the team and
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ignore all these abuses, then he's doing a fantastic job.
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I don't understand how people like him can hate so much.
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It's pretty impressive.
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So these guys now are all running interference just so they can allow children to die and
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people to be kept at the border in order to try and discourage other people from coming
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here and also just to be cruel because they hate.
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And so they're creating this stuff because they know that a lot of the people who support
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them, a lot of the people who are necessary for the GOP to remain in power wouldn't aren't
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fans of murder, I guess.
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So they're lying to them.
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They're lying to their own their own people, which suggests they know how evil it is, what
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they're doing.
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Yeah.
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You know, and it's you know, I just don't know.
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I mean, they know they're they know they don't just know they're lying.
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They know they're lying in service of cruelty and murder.
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Well, generally, when you so so that's what I don't I don't understand how you can hate
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that much.
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I don't understand how this is news to you.
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I know it's not news.
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It's not news.
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It's it's just I'm I'm constantly struggling with that.
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You experience it fresh every day, a lot of time whenever you care.
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It's tough.
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I don't know.
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I mean, whenever you lie intentionally, you're doing it for a reason and you're aware of
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that reason.
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Like, I don't I don't see any way Alex could do this just coincidentally by sloppiness
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or no.
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Yeah, this isn't sloppiness.
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No, this is specific and direct and on purpose.
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If Alex or whoever who works for him took the time to watch this two and a half minute
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AP piece to take the clips of it that they do, they would have had to see the other things
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that directly contradict the ways in which they're using this for.
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Yeah, the only reason you would do that is in order to create a false appearance about
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what these camps and these centers really are.
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And the only reason you would do that is because you're aware that they're really bad.
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And if the appearance of them being really bad is allowed to stand and be public, it's
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going to erode whatever stake in the market you have, whatever political power you have
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now with Trump being ascendant.
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It's it's very clear, like it unravels very quickly.
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And when you take when you take a second to understand that this is this is the strategy
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that's being used to take this very serious.
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Yeah, this isn't OK.
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And it exists on the same program where within a day of this, you have a guy who admires
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Anders Breivik coming on the show to say that some American or some citizens aren't Americans.
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You you were like, this is here.
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This show is is they're not fucking around.
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Yep. Whenever I worried that Alex would take the the bands and social media and what he
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would do is he would get more extreme about it.
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One of the things that I was really looking at was like, well, I think you might just
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start end up saying the N-word and like really get overt with it or be like, hey, you know
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what, guys, I've been fucking around for a long time.
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It was the Jews.
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Yeah, or something like that.
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And I think that it would be it was naive of me possibly to expect that kind of extreme
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instead of out and out Nazi propaganda.
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This is this is exactly that, but a slightly different version of it than I expected to
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find.
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This show is inexcusable in its present state.
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Anybody who works there should be deeply fucking ashamed of themselves.
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They have to be aware of what they're doing.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, to get this out of this out of our mouths, to get this taste out, Alex has a
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new shirt that he's selling.
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OK, good.
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If it's send her back, I swear to God.
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I swear to God, I'm burning this place down.
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It's not OK.
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So recently, Alex put out a Betsy Ross shirt.
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These colors don't run kind of thing.
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Oh, they got us.
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They owned the libs so hard.
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We just got owned, Dan.
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It does still burn a little bit.
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Oh, yeah.
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So that shirt sold out.
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Alex has a new variant on that shirt that he's putting out that has a Gadsden snake
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on it.
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There we go.
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But in this clip, Alex is simultaneously saying that he stole this shirt from somebody and
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that he came up with it himself.
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What?
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I said we're going to sell out of the new Betsy Ross American flag.
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These colors don't run America's back shirts, which we did sell out of.
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Thanks for the support, folks.
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But the price we sell them, we got to sell a ton of them to fund the operation.
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But we did sell four thousand.
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And I said, I told folks it's a popper.
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We have a new variant.
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And I said, I want the new variant to be an American flag.
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A Betsy Ross, but also another just classic American flag, all 50 stars with the Gadsden
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snake superimposed over it.
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And on the back, America's back in fours dot com.
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Last night, I'm on Infowars.com and I read Chris Pratt criticized for T-shirt choice.
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It is literally the shirt that I envisioned.
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Of course, it's a common sense shirt, but what's better than just an American flag about
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a don't tread on me under the flag saying don't travel American flag.
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It's a perfect combo.
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So great minds think alike.
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I mean, whoever designed that shirt, we'd already come up with the exact same similar
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design.
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And so that's the new limited edition.
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We're printing four thousand.
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By the way, just yesterday, the four thousand shirts of the Betsy Ross flag arrived, the
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ones that are already sold out.
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Those are now shipping today.
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Anyone wants this new limited edition?
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It is the don't tread on me American flag T-shirt inspired by the triggering of leftist
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by the shirt worn by Chris Pratt.
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So is it inspired by the left getting mad at Chris Pratt's shirt or did you come up
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with it mysteriously before and then it happens to be the exact same shirt?
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Which is it?
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Because, Alex, I know from your own words, you have a habit of stealing things from people.
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Yeah, I think this is a lawsuit.
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You stole 1770 answer to 1984 1776 from some Scottish dude that you met.
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You stole Hillary for prison from a bumper sticker you saw.
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You have a habit of stealing people's intellectual property.
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Whenever I hear you say like, oh, yeah, I read this article about how Chris Pratt, everyone's
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mad at his shirt with the Gadsden snake on it with the American flag.
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And I was like, oh, I had already come up with that.
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So we're going to sell this inspired by the left getting mad.
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I hear that.
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And I think you stole this shirt and you created a fake backstory about having already come
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up with the shirt.
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Yeah.
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And even if you did already come up with the shirt and then you saw that it already exists,
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you can't just then make the same shirt.
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You still can't.
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You still can't.
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That's it's still not okay.
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There's still stealing this guy's design.
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Yeah, that's not how it works.
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Oh, God.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah, I wrote this really long novel about this whale.
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And then the other day I was just reading these books and I saw that somebody wrote
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a review of Moby Dick and I was like, wow, that is a really good idea.
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And so I'm selling my new novel Moby Dick.
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If you would like it.
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Inspired.
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Inspired by the review.
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The review said that a lot of people had read Moby Dick.
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Yeah, I'm printing 4000 of those.
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So if anybody knows Chris Pratt, this is a long shot, but if anybody knows Chris Pratt
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or knows the person who designed that shirt, please feel free to send them this clip and
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sue Alex.
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Yeah.
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Oh, all day.
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That is the shit out of them.
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I at least think that this is like on the fence in terms of intellectual property law.
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I would say at least a cease and desist would be in order.
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Yeah.
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So not too far back, we heard a clip of Alex alleging that the Nazis at Charlottesville
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and the white nationalists and white supremacists there were all gay theater students who had
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been employed by the Democratic Party.
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I do recall that, yes.
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That narrative went by the wayside for a little while.
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But guess what?
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Alex is back on his bullshit.
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Really?
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And this includes an accusation about Richard Spencer.
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Did you know that in Charlottesville a year and a half ago,
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the Democratic Party and other groups put out ads and they hired what is called in Washington
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astroturf.
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And they hired people to dress like Nazis.
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That's why they actually wore costumes, khaki pants, white button up shirts, tiki torches.
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And the five leaders of the group all formally worked for the Democratic Party within two
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years of them becoming Nazi leaders.
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And most of them were simply art department people and college students getting acting
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degrees, degrees in the arts, mainly gay men wanting to do their part for the Democrats
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who came out and got together from all over the country, flew in and then had their had
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their had their march so that America would see marching Nazis and America marching Nazis.
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Richard Spencer is a total fake and CNN puts him on as the Nazi leader.
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Nazi leader, he wears outfits like he's from 1938 Germany, and it's all a giant theater
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art production.
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And I have the ads, online ad recruited Charlottesville activists for $25 an hour.
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If you were like someone who admired the Nazis, you might dress like somebody in Germany in
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1938.
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Seems like it does make sense.
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Yeah, it would be on brand.
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It would be on brand.
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Yeah.
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So we've heard Alex go down this road before making a bunch of bullshit up about how the
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Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville is full of actors.
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It's one of his many attempts to make sure his audience doesn't think that there were
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real white supremacists, real white nationalists and real aspiring Nazis there, since for some
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mysterious reason, that idea seems incredibly threatening to him.
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You know, you got this.
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It's the same thing with the camps.
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It's like you can't allow the image of reality to penetrate, because if you do, you run the
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risk of your audience being like, yeah, I don't like communism either, but they're fucking
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Nazis out there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we still don't like Nazis as a majority in this country.
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It seems like the minority that does like Nazis is a lot larger than we ever suspect.
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But I think Alex also, like, I think he knows enough to know that there is at least a considerable
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faction of his audience that were they to think that they were in league with and supporting
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legitimate white supremacists, they would not be on board with that.
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It would be a much tougher sell for him to sell this Gadsden flag shirt to people who
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were aware that he's holding water for and defending like legit racists.
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Right.
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I think I wouldn't be surprised if some of his listeners were almost treating this like
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white supremacist porn, you know, like they're they're getting off on this, but they would
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not actually want a white supremacist nation.
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I don't know.
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You know what I'm saying?
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No, I don't think that's the case.
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You don't think so?
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I think there are a number of people who have drank the Kool-Aid enough to think that Alex
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isn't supporting, you know, racism and white supremacy and aspiring Nazis.
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And were they to realize that it would threaten their contribution to his marketplace.
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I think he knows that and he knows better than to allow that perception.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Which is pretty accurate.
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It's almost.
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So he has to construct these bizarre narratives in order to get around it.
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Like he had Jason Kessler, the rally organizer on his show, and directly accused him of being
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a Fed.
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He found those fake documents on 4chan that he pretends are contracts between Antifa and
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George Soros's son, which put into writing their plans to start race riots, which connect
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somehow to Charlottesville.
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Not sure.
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And of course, he has the argument that the Nazis were really just gay theater students.
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I've kind of just dismissed this as stupid bullshit in the past, but Alex said that he
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had the ads that the Democrats used to recruit these actors.
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So I thought I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't at least review his evidence.
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And man, am I glad I did.
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Back in August 2017, Alex began reporting on the actors being used in Charlottesville,
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that whole narrative, with all the same specifics he uses here on his July 17th, 2019 episode,
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down to the $25 an hour figure.
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His reporting was based on a post on Zero Hedge.
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And well, there's a couple problems that jump out immediately.
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The first is this is based on a Craigslist ad they found.
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Anyone who's ever tried to find just about anything on Craigslist from a job to an apartment
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knows that it's painfully easy for people to make fake ads on there.
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How would you do that, Dan?
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Back when I first moved to the city and I was looking for work, I sent out hundreds
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of emails to Craigslist postings.
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And looking back, I'm not sure any of them were real.
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If you're going to make the Nazis are actors argument, I'm going to need stronger evidence
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than a Craigslist ad that didn't even say we're looking for people to play in our
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to play Nazis.
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Nope, every Craigslist ad is verified.
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Obviously, when he saw this ad, he traced it back to the Democratic Party using skills.
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Now, the bigger problem can be found in this sentence that is reposted on InfoWars, Alex's
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own website.
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They copied and pasted this from the Zero Hedge post.
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They still don't know how to take a screenshot, huh?
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This detail, I have no idea how this slipped past both the crack editorial department at
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Zero Hedge and InfoWars, but somehow it did.
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Quote, the ad was posted by a company called Crowds on Demand and offered $25 per hour
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to actors and photographers to participate in events in the Charlotte, North Carolina
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area.
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Now, I'll be the first to admit that Charlottesville is in the Charlotte area in terms of name
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similarity, but in terms of geography, they are not close.
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Do not do not.
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They're about do not.
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They're about 300 miles apart.
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How fucking dare you.
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And according to Google, how fucking dare you.
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That's a four and a half hour drive.
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You are shitting me in good traffic.
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You are fucking shitting me.
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I hate everyone.
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There are at least four articles about this conspiracy on InfoWars website.
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Most of them are just embedded videos that are gone now since their YouTube channel is
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gone.
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But you can kind of guess that they aren't corrections based on headlines like, quote,
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breathtaking Democrats accused of hiring actors prior to Charlottesville rally.
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No one caught that Charlotte and Charlottesville are not the same city because they don't care.
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They know they're lying to begin with.
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So it doesn't matter if they're being accurate about their lies.
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The job is to create a narrative, to create an excuse for the Nazi violence that has deeply
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traumatized a community.
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It's easy to look at a fuck up like this and laugh and say that these guys are so dumb,
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but it's not being dumb.
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When you see something like this, a mix up that's so egregious that it defies credulity
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to imagine that multiple people looked at it and didn't say, hold on, that's a city in
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a different state.
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That's a fingerprint of intention.
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I think that the list of credible reasons why someone might behave this way is a pretty
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fucking short one, too.
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Yeah, it's not dumb.
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It's lazy.
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It's not even lazy.
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No, I mean, they could have done a better job at creating this horrifying false narrative.
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They could have even have just they could have made their own fucking post and just
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scribbled out the date.
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It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter. It is lazy on on on that front, I suppose.
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I suppose that's fair.
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But what it is more than that is a fingerprint.
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The fact that someone would accept this level of weak bullshit.
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Oh, absolutely.
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In order to perpetuate their idea that these Nazis weren't real Nazis, it means that you're
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defending Nazis, right?
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Absolutely.
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That is it.
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Everybody.
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Why would you?
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The Republican Party is different.
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Why would you?
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Because you like Nazis.
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Maybe.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets another guest on the show.
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And what do you know?
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His name has already come up in this episode.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Garrison is our guest.
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God damn it.
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Then I'm gonna have the phones up in the third hour and get to so much of this other incredible
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news I haven't even mentioned yet.
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Would you believe that there's news that Alex hasn't gotten to yet?
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I mean, he spent an hour on this fucking dumb ass Candace Owens video from almost a year
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ago somehow didn't manage to cover news.
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I'm confused.
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Is he still doing is he still insisting that he talks about news ever?
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Oh, I mean, he pretends he does.
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He pretends.
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Yeah.
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So he's still saying it.
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He could just not.
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Right.
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If people are still listening.
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To be fair, that AP video that he's lying about is recent.
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Okay.
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He's just lying about it.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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It's kind of news.
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So Ben Garrison and him have a conversation about Trump's free speech meme summit and
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how both of them weren't invited.
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That's fun.
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But except Ben Garrison did get invited.
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He announced that he was invited and then got disinvited.
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And yet Lord Donkdom still got to go.
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Carpe Donk.
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Whatever.
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Seize the Donk.
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Yeah.
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He also apparently I don't know if this is true or just some fucking attention grabbing
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shit, but there was an article that I scrolled past on Info Wars about Carpe Donkdom announcing
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his retirement from me.
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I was like, God, this is hilarious.
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You know what?
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I didn't know that I needed that announcement in my life, but now that I got it, it might
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be an attention thing.
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It might be fake.
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It might whatever retiring from me.
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It's one of the great things about not caring about like these specific tentacles of Alex's
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world is like you could just scroll past that headline and be like, well, we're going to
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miss him.
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Yeah.
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I guess we're going to retire that jersey.
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The Carpe Donkdom jersey.
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Hang out from the rafters.
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So I don't give a fuck about Ben Garrison.
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I don't really care about his perspective on stuff.
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Anything?
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Not really.
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I don't even care about his perspective on art.
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And he's an artist, ostensibly.
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But in this interview, he says a couple of things that I think are really interesting.
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And in this first one, I think he accidentally makes a case for impeaching Trump.
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And I still went to Washington, D.C.
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It was too late to cancel the tickets.
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I said, heck with it.
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I'll go.
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And and one of one of the invitees was kind enough to invite me to the after party at
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the Trump International Hotel where I stay.
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And it was a really nice experience.
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And let me tell you, Alex, about I mean, I saw I saw your guy, Harrison Smith there.
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So they had the meme summit, the social media summit.
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He's like people were staying at Trump's hotel when they came in and they had their official
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after party at Trump's hotel.
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I mean, I think this is a pretty clear cut case of some emoluments clause.
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How is that?
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What?
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How are those lawsuits not gone through?
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Like, that's the thing.
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So many people are suing Trump for the emoluments clause, which we all know he's breaking and
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has broken since day one.
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And yet all of these lawsuits, the judges are tossing it out because people don't have
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standing.
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So doesn't the whole fucking country have standing?
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I don't know.
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I don't I haven't seen like the whole country has standing.
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I haven't kept track of a lot of those details, but like, yeah, I just keep hearing instances
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of people coming on Alex's show and indicating that Trump is profiting from the president
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always.
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And I just don't understand how like it can be so casual and not they don't care.
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I just I don't understand.
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I mean, I do understand it, but I understand it.
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I don't understand how no court has has been like that.
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Every lawsuit over the emoluments clause has wound up being tossed out because they don't
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they were found not to have standing.
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And even the judges are writing like, well, if we could confirm they had standing, we
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would allow these to go through because it's obvious that he's fucking breaking the goddamn
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clause.
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It's unreal.
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It's so fucking unreal.
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How is it that what is even the goddamn fucking point of having a goddamn constitution?
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If the people who ostensibly love it so goddamn much, ignore the entirety of it.
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Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
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I mean, between that and like all this other all this other shit we're seeing, it's like
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I guess impeachment never was meant to be a thing.
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Yeah, apparently.
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I mean, I guess if we're not doing it, unless it's Andrew Johnson, if we're not doing it,
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we're not doing it.
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Yeah, it's never going to happen.
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And it's never going to happen again.
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No, why would anybody take the why would any Republican take seriously the threat?
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Because if a Democrat was doing any of this stuff, they would.
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Oh, they would have been impeached immediately.
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Right.
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And that's immediately in 20 seconds.
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That's not to say anything other than the Democrat Party is weak on this sort of thing
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and the Republicans smell blood and attack.
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Yeah, I don't know, man.
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I don't know.
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So the other thing that they do, Ben and Alex, they get into the the 20, 2020 Democratic
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field.
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Oh, I'm sure they have great analysis coming up here, man.
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Bernie's a poop head.
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Elizabeth Warren smells bad.
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I've had a certain feeling for a long time about what's going to happen as the primary
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season heats up, but I've kind of felt like it would be a little bit speculative of me
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to say.
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But thankfully, Alex and Ben Garrison opened that box for me on this clip.
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Biden is shooting his mouth off saying, man, I may drop out.
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Doesn't mean he is.
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But he was saying this in front of people and saying, why am I here?
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Why am I doing this?
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Well, days after I learned he's doing that, he starts saying it on the podium to his crew.
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Like, why am I here?
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Why am I doing this?
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Because he's going in and out of gear.
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You know, we've all had family that gets older, gets Alzheimer's.
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And, you know, when they first start getting it, they're there totally.
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They remember.
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And then for like a few hours, they don't know.
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You know, they're kind of.
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And I see that with Biden.
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So I agree with you with this super weak field out there and any real contenders holding
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back.
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Why do you think it is?
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Because Hillary's in the wings.
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Bringing her back.
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That's my suspicion.
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And I'm not alone in that suspicion.
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And really, we're doing it.
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I kind of have like this, you know, guilty pleasure of hoping she does because I love
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to draw her.
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So it would be really fun to have a Hillary, too.
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And I had to go through the, you know, because I like to caricature her.
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And I think she epitomizes the globalist mindset of evil.
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And I think that's what she is.
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She's got a pretty black heart.
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So for a long time, I've had a nagging suspicion that these like, they really want Hillary
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to come.
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Oh, they want to run against Hillary.
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They had such a fun time.
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The so many of them made their careers off the 2016 election season.
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Oh, yeah.
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So many of these right wing fucks and, you know, they made names for themselves.
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They created cottage industries.
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And now it's kind of petering out a little bit.
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Yeah.
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And I don't I think that they just desperately wish that Hillary was there because like it
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galvanized people, their hatred of her.
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Like it really turned things it made them.
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And I don't think that they have faith that they're going to be like, let's say, Biden
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or Bernie runs or Elizabeth Warren.
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Like, I don't I don't think that they feel as confident that they'll be able to have
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the same boost to their market.
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Right.
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And I think that I think they're just so desperately wishing, like, Hillary, come back.
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And it's the same thing they project on people on the left.
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I don't think a lot of people on the left are like, you know, it would be great.
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Oh, no, we want her gone.
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Get her go.
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Well, a lot of people do.
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But I think some people have more sympathetic approach.
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Oh, no, absolutely.
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But I don't think even they are like, we need to get her back again to run.
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And I don't think Hillary wants to run.
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I don't think anybody wants that except Alex and his people.
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Well, the emotions around Hillary were so high that they got to they got to ride that
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and all those people.
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You're not going to find the same the Hemant lock her up chance for Bernie Sanders.
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No, and it's just not going to be there.
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Well, there will be something else.
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But he doesn't have the same 40 years of being Hillary Clinton, socialist and shit.
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Right.
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But like, here's the other thing, though, is that like, Alex has been attacking Hillary
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made so many ambivalent to positive comments about Bernie Sanders.
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Like he's like Bernie had the primary stolen from him.
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And like, you know, he in the past has talked about how Bernie has worked with the Rand
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Pauls of the world to audit the Fed and shit.
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Yeah.
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You know, and he's the Alex has complimented him being against war.
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Like, there isn't the same history that Alex has with the Clintons.
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Exactly.
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That he can throw on on Bernie.
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I think he's worried about it because all he's got is that dumb ass impression.
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Yep. Yeah, and that's not going to that's not going to sustain an election season.
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It is it is kind of different to go up against a guy with pretty much a 40 year track record
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of saying the exact same thing, having any kind of ideological consistency.
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You're going to you're going to that's going to be a struggle for him because he doesn't
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run into a bit of trouble.
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Yeah.
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And they fucking want Hillary back so bad.
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They need their punching bag so easy.
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They loved it.
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They all had a great time.
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It's like they want to go back to summer camp.
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They're not good at effort in the same way that they pretend that America's attention
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span has been shortened to goldfish levels.
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They understand that Trump has made this easy for them.
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And a real challenge to Trump isn't going to be easy for them.
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No, they're going to have to work on whether or not Charlottesville is Charlotte if they
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have to.
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Right.
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I mean, even like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking about the conditions in these border
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facilities, like the best Alex has got is a year old video of Candace Owens and then
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lying about an AP video combining the two.
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Yeah, that's not putting in a lot of work.
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Right.
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You could have done that much better, but you just can't use a custom to a pretty simple
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deflectionary thing.
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And like it's not the world of this coming election season, I don't think is going to
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be as easy for him and especially with his diminished access to the social media.
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Yeah, it's going to it's going to be much tougher for him to command attention and deflect.
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And I think I think he just wants his his his candidate back.
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Yeah, really, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Isn't it true?
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They were all that.
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God, can you imagine how loud the scream from the left would be if Hillary showed up and
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was like, I'm running for president?
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You could hear it from across the country.
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The no.
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And the only people who will be happy are the right wing.
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Yeah.
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And you know what's what's super interesting about this, too, is like when Roger Stone
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was on, he was saying that out of nowhere, Michelle Obama is going to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's because these people want to replay the hits.
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Yeah, they want they want they don't want an unfamiliar news cycle to be what 2020 is
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about.
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They don't want to have to build up a new villain because that's hard.
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That's a lot of work.
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You've got to convince people to hate people.
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Yeah, you have to create some sort of a larger conspiracy about folks.
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That's probably one of the only reasons that Alex hopes that Biden runs, because he can
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associate.
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Yeah, you can throw Obama on there.
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That's easy for everybody.
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Right.
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The right wing would love Joe Biden to write against or at least these propagandists.
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Yeah.
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But what I like even more is Michelle Obama or Hillary coming back because they've got
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that already.
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Right.
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They've done that work.
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They have the they have the muscle memory.
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They have the stories already built.
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It's that simple.
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So I don't know.
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I think they desperately want Hillary back.
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But I think their behavior shows that they aren't going to get what they want.
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And I think I think they recognize it's a tough road ahead.
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So in this next clip, Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough uncovered footage of Jeffrey
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Epstein at Trump's Mar-a-Lago.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Alex needs to push back against this.
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So what he does is what he's done since Epstein has come back into the news, which is he is
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a really no Trump.
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Trump hates him.
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He loves the Clintons.
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He hangs out with the Clintons.
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It's no big deal.
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And so with this clip, he's like, yeah, I mean, of course, he's he's welcoming people
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to his club.
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And I can sure he this is 30 years ago.
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No big deal, whatever.
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I don't really care.
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I think Alex's shoot is weak on this subject.
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And I don't really want to even dignify it.
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But in talking about it, Alex starts talking about how Joe Scarborough had that intern
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who was found dead in his office.
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And it's it's oh, yeah, yeah, it's fucked up.
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He's embellishing that story quite a bit.
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And I don't I don't want to get into that either.
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But quick, quick warning.
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This next clip is disturbing to a very serious level.
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Alex starts speculating about Mika and Joe's sex life in the middle of trying to deflect
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from the Epstein clip that they aired.
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And man, this is so fucked up.
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She likes her daddy.
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Her daddy was a killer.
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I wonder what they talk about when he's probably got like a tourniquet around her neck.
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I wonder if he simulates bashing her brains out like daddy would do.
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I wonder what daddy did to Mika.
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So she's married to a dude found with a dead body in his office.
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But it got covered up and now he's been a good servant.
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Psycho Joe.
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Oh, but now, oh, 28 years ago, Trump was at a ballroom.
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We've got 10 seconds of tape here.
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Let's roll the evil.
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Here it is.
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I can't imagine what level of fucked up you have to be to think that that's an appropriate
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thing to put like to speculate about on your show.
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I understand that he, you know, sees Mika and Joe as targets and they're fucking with
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Trump with this Epstein footage.
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So I've got to defend him.
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But like speculating about their sex life in that violent way and then also speculating
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that Mika was molested by her father is so inappropriate.
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It's like that's the sort of thing that if anybody cared, if there were any bosses, this
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would get you fucking fired so fast.
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Like I can't.
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Alex can only exist in this territory where no one can stop him from doing stuff because
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he does stuff like this on the regular.
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That's that is truly disgusting that in private I would be disgusted to find out somebody
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was thinking and decided to tell me, let alone to go on a syndicated radio show.
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Right.
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That's so just like it's so repulsive, this sort of behavior.
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And it's what you see.
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This is how he interacts with anybody who he thinks is a threat to him and Trump.
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Like he allows whatever wild speculation to fly and it borders on I mean, because he's
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couching it in that stupid like I wonder if kind of way.
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It's probably not legally actionable, but like this is this is the sort of thing that
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people shouldn't have to put up with this.
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This sort of abuse is like.
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It's wildly inappropriate.
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And Alex Alex can say like, oh, joking, I'm just like I just embellish him.
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I'm out there.
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I'm I'm I'm I'm this guy who's a wild character.
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Like your character sucks.
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That's that's your character hurts people.
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That's fucked up.
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Anyway, I was about after that, I was about to turn off the episode.
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I was very close to saying fuck it.
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Yeah, I'm about to turn off.
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But I didn't.
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I kept on listening.
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And Norm Pattis comes on.
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No Barnes.
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No Barnes.
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Weird.
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Oh, they stretch.
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No bar.
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You they stretch.
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No Barnes.
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Yeah, that's a record.
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But Norm comes on and it's just like defending Alex about his case and Sandy Hook.
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I don't really care.
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Whatever.
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Norm seems like more of a shithead than he did last time.
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I think it's just because last time it was sitting next to Alex drunkenly losing it.
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Right.
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So he looked very sane in comparison.
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Right, right, right, right.
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I think he is probably much more of a shithead than he was in that situation.
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Anyway, whatever.
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Who cares?
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His appearance sucks.
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We have one last clip and this is how Alex ends the show.
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It is the final day.
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I said yesterday was, but I've been too busy to do new specials.
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The 1776 special passed the end of the day.
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1776 on the apparel, 75 to 25% offshore line.
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Fourth of July sale still go one more day.
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One more day, of course.
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Fourth of July sale.
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Yeah.
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Fourth of July sale.
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The Fourth of July sale sale to celebrate the Fourth of July sale specifically for one day.
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That's been going on for three weeks.
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Insane.
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How's the Easter sale going?
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Still, it's about to start.
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It's about to start.
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Okay.
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Starts in August.
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And Christmas starts sooner every year too.
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Yeah.
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There's a war on it.
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There's always a war on it.
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I mean, so we get to the end of this episode and like, I just, you know, it's one of those
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things that is always very difficult about the present day stuff is that like, as we
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go along and the more shit gets real fucked up, the more you have to recognize that what
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we're looking at isn't a fun show.
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It's not like Alex misrepresenting the news in an interesting way that leads you to figure
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out something about his anti-communist sources or like, it's not really interesting in an
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intellectual level.
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What you're seeing is an outright fascist propaganda show.
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Yep.
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Like this is the transitions happened.
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And every couple of days or so, maybe there's something that's the anomaly now that is interesting.
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Like his 5G, everyone go to West Virginia.
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Yeah.
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Narrative.
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Like you get that every now and again, but it's the exception to the rule as opposed
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to what the show mostly is.
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It's mostly this.
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It's mostly nativist, white nationalist agitation.
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It's mostly misrepresenting news stories specifically to further that goal.
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And it needs to be taken seriously.
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And I want to apologize if anybody felt that a comparison with Theresienstadt is inappropriate.
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I understand why someone may.
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I want to call myself out as being like, I recognize and I don't want to minimize anybody's
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experiences in the Holocaust at all.
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But specifically looking at the techniques that are being used in terms of propaganda
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are important and they have historical parallels.
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Right.
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And I think we would be not paying attention to the real danger that's presented by people
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like Alex using these techniques if we didn't call it out.
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The entire point of the comparison is to keep things like that from happening again.
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So if you see something like that happening and the connection is not tenuous, it is there.
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The parallel is there.
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So that is why it is so important to limit the use of that comparison while at the same
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time to point it out whenever it is germane.
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Whenever it is there, because that comparison is something that we should all be very aware
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of right now.
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And when people use it, use those techniques, let's say, they're doing it for a reason.
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Like when Alex talks about immigrants bringing disease and stuff, that is reminiscent of
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Nazi propaganda.
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That is a piece of it.
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That's one of the ways that they demonized the populations that they sought to demonize.
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They did that for a reason.
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And Alex is doing it for a reason too.
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And I refuse to take this lightly, which is why a lot of this is a lot more difficult.
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And so as we see this sort of rhetoric being on display, on full display, and then simultaneously
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we see the guy that Alex idolizes hosting rallies that go the way they do.
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I just think you gotta be worried.
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So anyway, we'll be back.
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We will.
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I hope on Monday.
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Yeah, you are moving on.
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I'm moving on Monday, apparently.
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That is now been scheduled.
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Hammered out.
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Yes.
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So Monday I'm going to move, but there's still a decent chance we'll have time to record
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an episode before that.
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But if we end up having to take off Monday, I apologize.
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We will be back as soon as we can.
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Alex Jones and this world.
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If you have specific direct questions you would like answered, please send them to please
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I have a very difficult time knowing if that is the case.
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So as we get to the end of this, I would say and I'm no expert on this, but I would say
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the imaginary gay theater students who were hired to play Nazis at Charlottesville right
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did not kill anybody because they are imaginary gay theater students fictitious.
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However, one guy who technically probably has killed someone is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a person of color.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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