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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are drawing this intro out.
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Right, I'm trying to slow down the speed because you came in with a head of steam
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about how much you loved Wimbledon and I don't want you to just steamroll
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at me with a bunch of, oh my god, better is so great.
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But yeah, so slowing things down.
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OK, all right, all right.
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How you doing?
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Uh, I'm doing good.
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Dan?
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Yeah.
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Dan?
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What's up?
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Have you ever told somebody to go back to where they came from?
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Um, ooh, I mean, I know why you're asking me that question.
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Certainly relevant here on this Sunday as we record.
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No kidding.
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I don't know, I don't think so.
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I probably, I'm sure I have.
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Yeah, but like in a joking manner.
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Well, and I was a kid once.
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Oh, like I was a shithead stupid kid.
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So I bet it was, I hope, I pray, but it wasn't like racially or ethnically based.
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But I probably told someone to like go back to their home state or something.
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Right.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or Missourians, you know, like some sort of Midwestern pride.
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I imagine I had it at some point, but nothing sticks out to me.
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I don't think, I remember witnessing it almost on a nonstop basis when I was growing up in
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a small town, Princeton, Illinois, and I don't think I've ever actually, I think I may have,
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no, I don't think I've ever said it in really any way.
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Now jokingly, jokingly, I've totally said it.
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Sure.
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But that's in a completely different context.
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You didn't even get caught up in the love it or leave it kind of momentum back in the early 2000s.
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You don't love America, get out.
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No, my family, see, that was the whole thing.
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My family was all into that.
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Right.
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And so my act of rebellion was like just not being a racist.
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Well, that's a good way to rebel, I would say.
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Yeah, right?
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Unfortunately, that means that your child will be violently racist.
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Can't have them.
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Skips a generation.
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Can't have them.
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Nope.
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So no, I don't know.
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I've never told anyone to get out.
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Oh, God.
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But some, there's a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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That is right.
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Jordan, today we got a really interesting stretch of episodes to go over from the past.
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We're sticking around 2013.
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I like it.
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I smell something very serious going on here in this late February stretch.
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The Rock was still cooking in 2013, I believe.
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I think he'd gone on to movies at that point.
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I don't think he was still considering his heyday was like the late 90s.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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Don't think he's well, but to be fair, he did come back and fight Cena a couple of times
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at WrestleMania.
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He's always kicking around, but he certainly wasn't the like marquee guy in 2013.
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He was starring in the Scorpion King, I believe.
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I do, fuck.
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I wish I remembered exactly what you, I think Cena and The Rock did fight at WrestleMania
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2013 where that fight between Tea Party Jack Swagger and Alberto Del Rio for the championship
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did not main event.
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No, I think it was like the third to last match on the show.
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Ouch.
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Yeah, they don't really care about their belts in the WWE.
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Well, they are kind of imaginary.
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Whenever there's star power, why are we doing this?
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Why are we talking about this?
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We're back in 2013.
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I do believe sincerely that something is really big going on, and I think you get a sense
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from it, from Alex's feelings of like I need to mix the show up, and then there's some
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indications that we're going to see on this show that I think we're getting into something.
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But before we get to today's episode, I got to take a moment to say a very sincere thank
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you to everybody.
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When we talked about how I was going to move, I needed to move, a lot of people sent very
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supportive messages to people who have very generously sent little donations, and I really
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appreciate it very much.
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It means a lot, particularly the people who are saying, you know, like I went through
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a similar situation and you got to keep your head up and things will be better on the other
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side, you know, it means a lot.
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So thank you very much to them, and also thank you to some people who have signed up in our
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sporting show.
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Jordan?
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Yes.
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First, what?
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Aaron, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Aaron.
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Thanks, Aaron.
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That's Aaron with an E.
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Aaron with an E, ooh.
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Next, V, and that's V-E-E, thank you so much.
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Two E's.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, V.
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Next, poor Blorblon, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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First alien policy wonk, poor Blorblon.
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Is it poor like P-O-O-R and then Blorblon?
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P-O-R, B-L-O-R, B-U-L-O-N, one word.
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Oh, poor Blorblon.
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That's tough.
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That is tough.
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Next, Ian, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Light shift from poor Blorblon to Ian.
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Next, Conrad, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Conrad.
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Yeah, next, Old Firebones, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Old Firebones.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on elevated level.
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We appreciate it very much.
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So, Jos, J-O-S, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, Jos.
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Yes, thank you very much, Jos.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking,
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hey, I like this show, I'd like to support these guys,
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dude, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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Click the button that says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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We'd love it.
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So, Jordan, today what we're doing is we are going over February 24th through 26th, 2013.
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All right.
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This is a very exciting period of time.
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Alex is really fucking all over the place in terms of how desperately he wants more
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people to pay attention to him.
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Right.
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He goes on some other people's shows.
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He has some big guests.
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All very clearly, as he expresses, in interest of like, really get the word out.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But here, before we get into any of that, is an out of context drop from today's show.
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No, my religion is facts and being informed and not being an idiot, not being a sucker.
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Get that through your pea brain.
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Get that through your pea brain.
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That's good religion.
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His religion is facts.
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His religion includes calling you a pea brain.
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You dumb pea brain.
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That's a fact.
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You are a pea brain.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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So we start here on the 24th of February 2013.
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And Alex gets, I included this clip.
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It's not really relevant to a ton of stuff, but it is an interesting expression of Alex's
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beliefs about how the system has already attacked black people.
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So we don't need to do anything about that.
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They've already attacked.
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I'm sorry, do what?
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It's implied that he's sort of minimizing the need to defend minorities because they've
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already been attacked by the globalists.
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It's already been done.
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Right.
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You can't undo it.
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Which is weird.
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Yeah.
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And then second, I think this clip you get a sense that Alex uses white and western culture
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kind of interchangeably, which is an important thing to nail down as he tries to pretend
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all the time that they don't mean the same thing.
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So we're going to describe where that whole system's going because the system's already
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demonized blacks and others and already basically sold the culture on treating them like they're
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all criminals.
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So now they're just going to move on to the main enchilada, the dwindling, dead, dying
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western culture.
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And the system believes it's now time just to bring that down entirely.
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So you have the quote unquote blacks and others who they have demonized and ruined their culture.
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Now they're going to move on to the other, which is western culture, which is presented
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in direct opposition to blacks and the others.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It kind of seems like it narrows people down.
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Kind of clear what's going on here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I found that to be interesting, but kind of secondary to what else is going on on this
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show is Alex, towards the beginning of the episode, makes an amazing announcement that
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I think means we are getting close to pay, hit and pay dirt.
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OK.
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And here is his announcement.
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I will tell you I've got some big surprises coming up this week on the weekday show.
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In fact, 95% chance we're going to break some news this week.
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That'll be one of the biggest stories in the country.
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I mean, I got the fish up to the boat with the net.
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About to get I mean, it's a big national news story, investigative report behind the scenes,
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hidden cameras, you name it.
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And I'm not holding my breath on it, though, because I've noticed if you do that, it jinxes
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it and it's dangerous, too.
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And so that fish breaks the line.
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I won't be too sad, but if I get it in the boat, we're going to display it here on air.
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Just know that.
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Just know that.
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OK, I got you.
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All right.
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So Alex has a massive, game changing story that he is going to.
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And I'll tell you, you already know what it is.
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Nope.
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Oh, you don't know.
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OK, I've listened to a bunch of this and I have no idea what it is.
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I have a theory.
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OK, I think it's Sandy Hook.
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You think so?
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Yeah, I was I was trying to think of that.
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But then he said hidden cameras and I was like, why?
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What?
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He could just be embellishing.
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That sounds right.
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That's also entirely possible.
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Or he could just be fishing, like actually fishing.
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Literally.
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He's talking about fishing.
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Yeah, that metaphor went on for a while.
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Yeah.
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So whatever the case is there, I'm not entirely sure.
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And like, I haven't listened too far enough past this to know what his big news story
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is.
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Just context clues kind of lead me to think that maybe he's got a little bit of a bird
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whispering in his ear some bad stuff.
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So in this next clip, Alex brings up a quote about the U.N. wanting to take people's guns.
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And, you know, Jordan, I love a quote.
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Is it Thomas Jefferson?
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It's not Thomas Jefferson.
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It's supposed to be from the U.N.
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And here's how it goes.
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And we'll play some of those clips.
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So people are going to be like, well, we already know this, Alex.
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Well, here's the deal.
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Here's the deal.
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The general public doesn't know that they think Obama really wants to save kids at that
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school and was really crying.
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They don't know they've done this worldwide and taken the guns to enslave people.
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They don't know that the U.N.
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Treaty says it's so the state is all powerful.
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Quote, the civilian ownership of firearms threatens the legitimate power monopoly of
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the state.
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Therefore, there must be a total abolition worldwide of individuals outside of government
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having any type of firearm.
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I mean, it's July 7th, 2001, Unideer, U.N. website.
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So that's a completely made up quote.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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Which doesn't appear at all in either the arms trade treaty nor from the report from
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the July 20, 2001 U.N.
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report that was titled Elicit Trade in Small Arms.
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Those two things are something that Alex doesn't know the difference between or he intentionally
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consistently conflates, most likely on purpose to make it harder for his listeners to check
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in on the things he's lying about.
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Right.
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So on one hand, you have the arms trade treaty, which is saying he's saying that's where this
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quote came from.
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Yeah.
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And then you have the July 2001 Elicit Trade in Small Arms report, which is he uses the
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date from that and attaches it to the treaty.
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Completely different things.
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So this quote is definitely not from either of those U.N.
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publications.
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When I looked into it more, many websites trace the quote back to a 2004 debate that
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was held at King's College in London between then executive vice president of the NRA,
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Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters, the head of the International Action Network on Small
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Arms.
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While IANSA was a lobbying group that was active in making arguments to the U.N., they're
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not part of the U.N. or an official body within the U.N.
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Wayne LaPierre himself has lobbied the U.N. on behalf of the NRA, so you can make the
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argument that the two of them are on equal footing in terms of being representatives
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of the U.N.
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None of the conspiracy and right wing websites can get their citation right on this quote.
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Ron Paul forums suggest that it's from the arms trade treaty itself.
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Gun message boards frequently cited as being said by a representative from the U.N. at
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King's College, but they don't seem to agree on the date.
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Some say that it's July 2001, most likely because they've mixed it up with the Elicit
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Trade in Small Arms report.
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Others say the debate was held in 1993, most likely to associate it with the passage of
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the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of that year.
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One website I found called Liberty Minute claimed that the debate happened in 1993 while
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simultaneously linking to a video of the debate from 2004.
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That is fucking five stars, guys.
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That is gold level stuff right there.
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It's so sloppy, but it also really feels like they're trying to confuse people about
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the genesis of this quote intentionally.
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No one gets the citation right because they want the argument to be that the U.N. said
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in an official capacity that they wanted to get rid of guns because it threatens the full
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control of the state.
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The quote is a whole less a whole lot less useful if it were appropriately cited as being
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said by a lobbyist in a debate against the head of the NRA.
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That's not that's not nearly as nefarious or scary as the U.N. said they're going to
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do this, of course, which is why you got to lie.
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But there's another problem about this.
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There's a you know, this debate, the great U.N. gun debate, it's 90 minutes long.
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And I watched it twice in preparation for this episode.
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Nobody said maybe I just missed it both times.
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But I never heard Rebecca Peters say anything about civilian gun ownership being a threat
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to the power monopoly of the state.
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That sentiment in the quote is actually kind of out of step with Rebecca's argument.
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However, it's very in line with the accusations that Wayne LaPierre makes about what Rebecca's
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positions secretly are.
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There we are.
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But it doesn't match up with what she's actually saying.
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OK, so we're dealing with a quote that is being attributed to the U.N. that is actually
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supposed to be from a debate by two lobbyists, but actually wasn't said by the person that
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it's attributed to.
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It doesn't appear it was.
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But it lines up with what the other person was lying about that other person saying.
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It appears that way.
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OK.
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I see literally zero evidence that this is a real quote from the U.N. or even from Rebecca
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Peters in her debate with Wayne LaPierre.
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This, in my best estimation, is something that was fabricated out of whole cloth sometime
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after the 2004 debate to preemptively attack the coming small arms treaty and the U.N.
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creating rules about the illicit small arms trade.
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From there, it was circulated in right wing militia type Internet communities and given
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elevation and credibility by being amplified by people like Alex Jones and attached to
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figures like Ron Paul.
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It's all a lie, as far as I can tell.
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That is not fun.
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No.
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Also, interesting note in that debate, Wayne LaPierre cannot stop accusing Rebecca Peters
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and her organization of being funded by internationalists like George Soros.
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Great.
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Great.
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Good work.
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In 2004, Wayne is way ahead of the curve on the Soros bashing, at least for non-European
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fascists, he is.
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Yeah, we.
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Because that's usually who you hear talking about Soros back then.
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Wow.
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Yeah, we didn't even deal with Alex talking about Soros for, what, 11 years after that?
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No.
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And I mean, like, what was it, 2011, I believe, was when Glenn Beck got in a bunch of hot
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water for doing his puppet master segment.
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Ugh, what an idiot.
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And then, I think it was, the other real big notable one was Bill O'Reilly did some shit
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about Soros, but that was three years after this, I think, it was 2007.
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Jesus.
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So yeah, Wayne LaPierre is pretty ahead of the curve in the Soros...
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Right.
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Or he's just a regular old fascist.
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Who knows?
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Yeah.
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But I mean, it was mostly European ones.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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So Wayne LaPierre is pretty ahead of the curve for Americans.
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So, Alex, he's got a big, big thing going on.
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I mentioned on our last episode that he has a story about how all the veterans are getting
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letters that they need to turn in their guns.
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Right.
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And all these veterans call in, like, I haven't gotten the letter, but it's probably just
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in the mailbox.
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Sure.
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Great.
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Whatever.
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Alex tells a story about going to this ammo shop called The Academy, I believe is the
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name of it.
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Okay.
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And some guy, he overheard some guy saying he got the letter, so...
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Fuck off.
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So it's been proven.
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Fuck you, fuck you.
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So it's been proven.
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No, no, no, no, no, it does not count.
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No, it's proven.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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It's been proven.
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Shut up.
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It's been proven.
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Did you know that three people passed the Fed into existence?
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I heard an old guy who's related to Ron Paul say that.
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It has been proven.
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It's been proven.
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Um, so, fuck that noise.
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Yeah.
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Fuck you.
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You can't even do that.
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The better part of the story, though, is when he's at this ammo shop, man, everyone treats
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him like a hero.
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And I'm not bragging about the show.
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It's just getting amazing when everyone but one guy behind the counter who seemed pretty
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freaked out that, I mean, I started talking to him saying, can I see that shotgun?
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He was like, oh, oh, oh, it was really weird.
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I was like, oh, never mind.
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This guy was speechless in my presence.
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But that went on today.
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At Academy.
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And then a manager came over and said he was a listener as I was leaving.
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But that's not the big news.
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The point is, people are talking about the gun confiscation move.
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And so the government wants to leave it ambiguous.
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Like, is it happening?
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Is that the goal?
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The point is, you could probably argue some gun restrictions to, you know, for people
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to be safer, hypothetically, if they didn't really want to just take our guns.
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See, the issue is they want to confiscate them.
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So they're disingenuous.
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That's why no more gun laws repeal the ones that are there.
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They only affect law abiding citizens.
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So I got to say, like, this is why there's value in Alex's like just automatically be
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defensive about everything.
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Just fight.
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It doesn't matter because he recognizes that there's good arguments for safety measures.
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No, it makes perfect sense for everybody to have some sort of gun control, but they're
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not going to use it appropriately.
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So no gun controls whatsoever.
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I am secretly certain that they're doing this for a reason that is other than what they're
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saying.
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Therefore, that is a dangerous level of pretending you're a psychic.
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Yeah, because I mean, when I hear that, all I really hear is I recognize that there's
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some really good arguments against my position.
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And I know that I'm going to lose those arguments if I actually have them.
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So I better just yell at people.
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Mm hmm.
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That's just what you hear there.
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Yep.
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Alex is recognizing there are good arguments for gun regulations for safety.
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It's I do.
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Fuck him.
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I do like the I do like the balls on that of just like, oh, yeah, no, no, no.
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There are good arguments, but it is 100% impossible for the other side to make any argument in
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good faith.
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They are always lying.
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So I am far happier with zero gun laws and mass shootings happening every day than I
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am with anyone even being like, we should do a background check.
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Lame.
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That's not good.
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So that is pretty disappointing stuff, I would say, but not quite as disappointing as the
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narrative that takes over the show after this point, there's been a Department of Justice
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memo that got leaked by the NRA, as I recall, is the is the telling of it.
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And Alex insists that this fucking memo is literal proof that they are ready and about
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to ban all guns.
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Let's see this one.
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So it's amazing.
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Now, if you just joined us, let me just read these headlines to you and then get to these
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audio and video clips for everybody out there to back up what I'm saying.
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DOJ memo outlaw and confiscate all firearms.
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When you read the memo, it says, look, assault weapons aren't what are causing the problem.
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It's guns, period.
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And it's time to have a forced buyback of everything.
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And it describes how they did it in Australia up at Infowars.com right now.
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Oh, my God.
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So one of Alex's big narratives here, like I said, is that the NRA released this memo
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that proves that they're getting ready, proves it all.
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They plan to confiscate all guns.
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True.
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It's a load of bullshit.
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No.
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The memo in question is called, quote, summary of select firearm violence prevention strategies.
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And nowhere in the document does it call for confiscating anyone's guns.
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This is a descriptive report, not a prescriptive one.
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It's not arguing for any particular strategy.
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Rather, it's looking at various strategies that have been employed or could be employed,
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engaging how they worked, what the strong points were and what the limitations are.
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For instance, in the part of the report about gun buybacks, it specifically points out that
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gun buybacks aren't really effective unless they're, quote, massive and coupled with a
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ban.
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That doesn't mean that's what should be done.
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It's just descriptively saying that when buybacks have been done, they historically
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haven't really brought in many guns.
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And the guns that are brought back aren't the ones that are at a high risk of being
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used in violent crimes.
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Right.
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So what it was is they described something so well as a, hey, I get that people are saying
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do gun buybacks, but there's no point unless we go all the way.
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More or less, or at least you supplement them with some other toothy...
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I don't mean like go all the way, like get rid of, I mean, add the ban, add that stuff
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into it.
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Yeah.
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Or make it so huge that like, you know, you're paying above market value for people's guns.
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You give some incentive.
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Yeah.
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It's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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You can already see where this is going.
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From this jump off point, the logic of the paranoia gun obsessed patriot world turned
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the document into proof that Obama and his Department of Justice were preparing massive
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gun buybacks and complete gun bans.
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This is such transparently dishonest presentation, but it's exactly what you'd expect from a
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group of people desperate to create the appearance that their guns are about to be seized.
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They don't really have much of a reason to exist as an organization, the NRA that is,
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or a force in public discourse if that fear isn't constantly reinforced.
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So any excuse to ramp it up for them is a good excuse.
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Yeah.
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So now, interestingly, I suspect that this is going to play into Alex's feelings about
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Sandy Hook.
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And I think the introduction of this report is further evidence that he is about to get
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going on that.
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Oh, yeah, because it's dovetailing.
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So the report is coming in and that's whenever he's going to be like, see, and here's the
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report saying what they're going to do.
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And here's the soft launch with Sandy Hook and that kind of shit.
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Well, we already knew that, you know, we know that he at least believes that the globalists
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may have orchestrated that shooting, which possibly did involve real victims, according
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to him at this point.
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He believes that they did that in order to push a gun control agenda.
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That memo was written on January 4th, 2013.
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So I could easily see Alex using this narrative that he has now introduced, using the timing
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of it to build up his narrative that the shooting was a false flag.
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Yeah, I get the sense that this is possibly like a piece of ground being laid.
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Yeah, yeah, I can totally see that.
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Yeah, we'll see.
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And maybe I'm just putting pieces together that aren't really there, but it feels kind
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of like that.
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We're going to wind up having to give it to the Somalis, aren't we?
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That's the kind of every time every time we're like, look, all of these pieces of evidence
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line up to a perfect conclusion.
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And he's like, and what we're going to do today is we're going to talk about squirrels
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and how they're bothering my neighbors.
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Right, right.
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You have the like, my show's in a rut.
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I need to mix it up.
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You've got, you know, I've got a giant piece of news that involves the media.
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It's going to be game breaking if I have the ability to release it.
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You have this, the timing of this report being a couple of weeks after Sandy Hook.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Just coming to the surface now here in February, end of February.
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There's a lot of, there's a lot of stars aligning.
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It all makes sense and it won't happen like that.
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It'll be some capricious bullshit.
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That's exactly why I'm sure I'm wrong.
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Yeah, it's some capricious bullshit.
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That's one of the most frustrating things about this.
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It's like, you know the destination, but you get tricked into thinking it's the right
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road while you're on your way there.
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My Waze app is screwing in terms of this.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the memo a little bit more.
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They spin the whole thing.
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In the memo, they say, well, assault weapons, you can go read it right now.
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It's only three pages long.
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Assault weapons really aren't used in many crimes.
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Let's just ban everything.
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And that's our recommendation.
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And this is how we need to do it.
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He says it's three pages long.
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It's nine pages long.
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He's completely wrong.
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And it doesn't say, it doesn't advocate for any specific action.
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This is all just nonsense.
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So one of the things that I find really interesting is that like, we have a show where we can
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take as long or as short as we want to do these episodes.
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Kind of have a freedom of being able to, and so does Alex, honestly.
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It's just a matter of whether it would be on the radio or not.
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You know, like he could broadcast as long as he wants out of his Info Wars studio, just
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whether or not some station in Cocoa Beach is going to be playing it.
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So when I hear Alex say something like he does in this next clip, all I can hear is
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him making excuses for not doing a good job.
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That's great.
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Let me get to the other news.
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If I back up everything I say, I'll never get to it all.
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Folks, if you hear me say something, just search engine it.
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I'm not making it up.
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Okay.
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I know it sounds insane.
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What he's saying, I think is the guiding principle of his show, which is if I proved things to
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you, we'd run out of time.
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I just don't have time.
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Yeah.
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Now I'm going to randomly, I'm going to repeat myself over and over and over again about
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the globalists being demons.
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And I'm going to yell for long stretches of time about nothing.
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I'm going to do a fucking long critical breakdown of the Watchmen movie.
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I'm just going to talk to my lawyer for a while.
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Well, certainly in the present day, yeah.
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I mean, like that is not a good excuse.
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The idea of like, if I have to prove things, it'll take too long.
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So why prove them?
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So just believe me.
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Exactly.
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That is a dangerous mentality to have.
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While you're listening to this show in your car, I want you to pull out your phone and
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Google, make sure that you, oh, you can't pause my broadcast.
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Okay.
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Well, write down while you're driving in your car and listening to my show, write down everything
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that I'm saying so you can Google it later.
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Right.
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It's not a good, it's not a good way to approach a truth-based show.
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Yeah.
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It seems like it's a, it seems like we're not dealing with a truth-based show.
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It does feel that way sometimes.
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It does feel that way.
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So in this next clip, you know, whenever you do a broadcast show, that's a call-in show,
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you always run the risk of prank callers, pretending that there's somebody that they're
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not like, maybe someone pretends to be a celebrity and they call in your show.
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That's not what happens here, but Alex is worried that it might be.
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And a fellow called in saying he was Ted Nugent.
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Who's been on the show probably 10 times in the last 15 years or so.
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In fact, I've been trying to get him on lately.
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And somebody called in saying they're Ted Nugent.
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And I said, okay, ask him.
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Cause I don't have time, I couldn't talk to him just now and run out there and find out
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who they are and make sure it's Ted.
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I said, ask him what he drove into the Piers Morgan thing in Houston in.
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And he said, my pilot's cruddy gray SUV.
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So it's either Ted Nugent or it's somebody that was there and knew.
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So I'm very excited to get uncle Ted on with us.
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If it's uncle Ted, I'll recognize his voice.
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Is that uncle Ted?
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Alex, greetings from the self-evident truth army that supports everything you do, man.
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So that was definitely me in that cruddy SUV.
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And I'm just calling to let you know that those of us who dance on the skull of Piers
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Morgan, how to communicate more often because you did God's work, man.
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And I'm calling in to say, thank you.
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Oh man, Ted Nugent just out of nowhere calls in the show.
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Unplanned Nugent appearance.
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Who the fuck is, what is Ted Nugent doing?
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He's driving around.
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He actually loses signal at one point.
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Alex has to go to another caller and then Ted gets back on the line.
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Now he's like, call.
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I got to put you on hold Ted Nugent's back.
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Oh my God.
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I can't.
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No, this is weird.
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This is too weird.
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I don't care too much about what Ted says.
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Cause it's all just like, I love guns.
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Yeah, yeah, no, no, fuck off.
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But there's one clip that I think is important to play of Ted Nugent's on the phone appearance
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with Alex.
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And it's because it reveals that he believes something similar or exactly the same actually
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that Alex does.
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That's not true.
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I've saluted too many flag draped coffins and taken too many heroes of the military
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that have sacrificed their legs and their arms and their eyeballs and their skin fighting,
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not just for freedom, not just for the American way and the US constitution bill of rights,
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but Alex, they all reference the second amendment because the second amendment is the teeth
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in freedom.
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Now what's important there is the teeth in freedom, the Liberty teeth.
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The only place that that traces back to is the fake George Washington quote that we talked
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about that Alex thought was Thomas Jefferson quote.
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That's right.
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Literally.
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That is what Ted Nugent is referring to there.
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That fake quote from George Washington allegedly from an address to Congress where he calls
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guns the teeth of Liberty.
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That is a hundred percent what he's doing.
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I kind of just thought he was an idiot and he was trying to say you can't spell freedom
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without teeth because he doesn't know how to spell.
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That outside of the awareness that I have and the research I've done, I would go with
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you.
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But since I have looked into this and I understand like the teeth of freedom, Liberty teeth is
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a very specific expression that exists in one place and one place only.
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These Patriot folk have mythologized this fake quote that they don't realize.
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They're just quoting some guy who was a columnist in the 20s for Farmer Tractor Trailer
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Magazine or whatever, can't remember exactly, Trapper Trader, Farmer Trapper Trader, Hunter
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Trapper Trader, whatever it was.
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They think that they're quoting George Washington and they're not.
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But it's interesting because you got to understand how these things were early memes.
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They were in the same way that you have these Pepe kind of things that go around the internet
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now.
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These ideas were circulating in old Patriot message boards and newsletters and things
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like that.
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So when you trace back like, oh, Ted Nugent has this Liberty teeth, guns Liberty teeth
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thing.
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Alex has this.
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You know that they're swimming in similar ponds of fucked up bad information in that
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militia information sphere.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a mess.
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I really don't want to, like, I don't want the country to descend into fascism and get
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killed because of some imaginary bullshit that these guys believe.
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It's really annoying.
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It's really annoying that what they believe isn't real, but they still get to kill people
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in real life.
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Like, shouldn't you only be able to hurt imaginary people?
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It'd be nice if they just got on Second Life or something like that.
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See, that'd be great.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys.
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You know, it's like what they say was that old quotes, like when it all goes down, it
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won't be with a bang.
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It will be because of fake quotes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was Thomas Jefferson, actually.
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I believe so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Ted Nugent leaves and Alex goes to other calls.
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And man, this caller, I don't recognize the voice, so we can't put him down as like Bible
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Dan or old man house phone.
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Really hoping it was Bible Dan.
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Frontier psychiatrist.
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Frontier scientist.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That boy needs therapy.
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It's just a guy who believes in occult numerology and believes that 2013 is going to be a messed
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up year because 13 is unlucky.
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Fair.
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You know, the occult is really big in a numerology.
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Of course, you probably already know that and then covered that at some point.
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Some points that I'd like to make that I don't know if you've actually figured out or researched
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is, you know, in the skull and bones picture with Bush, if you look at the clock in the
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back, it's pointed to one o'clock.
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I think something really bad is going to happen in 2013 because, of course, you've heard of
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the 11th hour, which would be 11 and then 12.
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No, sure, the occultists are obsessed with 13, but 13 I think is lucky, 13 colonies,
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13 original states.
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I mean, you know what?
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I make my own luck because I love God above.
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But listen, it's not a great response.
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It's not great.
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So you got a caller who's calling in that's saying there's this picture of George W. Bush,
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right?
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It's skull and bones and it's at one o'clock and that's 12 plus one.
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Wow.
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12 o'clock plus one is 13.
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Bingo. So 2013 is going to be super unlucky because the Skull and Bones Illuminati have
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a bunch of plans.
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And Alex's response to that isn't, hey, buddy, I appreciate that you like the show, but I
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think you need to talk to somebody because you're drawing tenuous fucking connections.
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His response is no, no, no, no.
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13 is a lucky number because of 13 colonies in America.
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And I make my luck because I love God.
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I don't remember the Bible verse where God was like, if thou loved me, you're going
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to have to make your own luck.
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Like, I don't, I don't.
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So should the letter B be because B looks like a scrunched together 13, Dan.
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It's weird.
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It's just to me an indication of lack of care for the people that he's influencing.
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You know, like, obviously this guy probably would be looking for weird nonsense with or
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without Alex.
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Right.
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But the reality is what the reality is, and Alex is clearly a part of it.
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In this next clip, I think we get another indication of how little he really cares about
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these callers because he gets another call from a guy who's been listening for 15 years
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and listen to this dismissive bullshit.
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Like I said, I'm a long time listener.
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Listen to you about the building and drove all this in the past.
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I've listened to you now, Alex, for about 10, 15 years.
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And I've got a lot of your videos.
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Have you got anything that you can send me, Alex, to help wake up my community?
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You know what?
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If people aren't awake right now, they may never wake up.
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But there are people who are awake in your area.
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God bless you.
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I appreciate your call.
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What the fuck kind of response is that?
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He didn't even listen to the question.
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I doubt he did.
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But if he had, like, let's just assume that he did listen and that was his response.
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I don't understand how someone like Alex Jones can, like, work in such a, like, eh, who
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cares kind of way.
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This guy is calling in.
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He clearly believes the shit you're saying.
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He's been listening for a fucking decade plus.
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And he's like, I, you know, I got all your books and stuff.
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What can I do to wake up my community?
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Ah, what's the use?
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Like, if his response is like the caller is asking him, how can I help people with the
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information you put out into the world?
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What can I do to make the world better, according to our agreed upon conception of it?
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And Alex is like, you know what?
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There's no real use.
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If people aren't on our team already, they're probably not going to be.
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Why have an information war at that point?
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Right.
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Well, what is the point of his show?
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Didn't the guy ask him, is there anything you could send me to help wake up my community?
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I think he means like DVDs or like posters or something like that.
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Right.
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It seems like that would be the perfect place for Alex to jump into plug mode for sure,
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right?
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He'd be like, hey, you can go to Infowars store and you can get better and that'll help
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you.
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And he didn't do that at all.
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He was just like, eh, you know, you win some, you lose some, shut the fuck up.
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Get out of here.
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If people aren't on board already, they're not going to be, which again, I already said
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this, but I have to stress.
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Why do the Alex Jones show?
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If people who are going to wake up have already woken up, does that not imply that all you're
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doing is preaching to the choir?
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Well, you can't let them go back to sleep.
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I guess so.
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They get tired, damn.
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Fair enough.
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It's hard to keep being afraid of everything.
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Yeah, so in this last clip here from the 24th, Alex, we know he's a violent man.
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We know that he has a lot of, like, especially looking back with real gross fondness.
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May have killed a lot of dogs.
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It's possible.
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So in this clip, we hear kind of a transition in Alex's telling of his childhood violence
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from being the result of him being bullied to him antagonizing people.
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And I don't think he understands, as he's telling the story, the very serious difference
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between the types of violence he's describing.
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I mean, there comes a time where you just don't bend over and you're like, you know
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what, bully?
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I don't know how this is going to end, but you want to beat me up.
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You know, when I was like 10, 11, 12 years old, I got beat up by bullies almost every
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week.
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And my dad was the type of guy who just said, well, learn how to fight him.
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I guess he was old school.
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And you know what?
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It was really fun when I learned how to beat up a shitty dad.
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And it just learned, you know what?
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I'm going to absolutely attack you back full power.
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And even if sometimes they were five years older than me and a lot tougher than I was,
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they didn't mess with me next time, even if they kicked my butt because I ended up hurting
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them.
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And if they got on top me in a dog pile, I'd start biting them.
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I was like 12 years old, big bloody chunks out of them.
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They backed off real quick.
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Okay.
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And then years later, I went a little overboard.
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I'd find those bullies and stomp their brains out.
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Okay.
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I'm not kidding around here.
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So wow.
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At the end there, what he's describing is him initiating violence on people, which is
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very different than the idea of self-defense.
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Yeah.
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Like I still don't like violence.
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I don't think it's the answer, but if someone is being picked on and, you know, someone
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tries to start a fight with them, I don't think there's really that much bad or wrong,
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especially in adolescence about fighting back.
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Like, I think that there's better avenues to go down, but in the world we live in, I'm
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not going to, I'm not going to blame Alex for fighting back when he's being bullied.
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Yeah.
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I am going to blame him for going and finding people who he has determined are bullies and
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then stomping their heads in.
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Yeah.
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That is a very, very different thing.
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Yeah.
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That's a, that's really stalker-ish.
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That's, that's really not good.
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He seems to think that it's all the same and all very like, ah, it's all just fighting
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back.
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He's not.
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At a certain point, you're not.
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You, he even says, I went a little overboard.
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Yeah, but he doesn't seem to think that's a problem.
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That's, that's fucked up.
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So we get now into the 25th and Paul Joseph Watson has a news story that he is putting
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out here on the 25th.
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And what do you know?
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It's not based in reality, but the reality that's behind it is actually pretty funny.
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I'll tell you what it is and it should be out in the next 15, 20 minutes or so.
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Homeland security has funded a new special drone specifically to hunt down gun owners.
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You can't make this up.
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We have the actual training video.
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I'm laughing because it's just so out of control.
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I mean, we're in a science fiction movie.
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Oh man.
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Oh man.
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So it should be pointed out that this is not the gigantic news that Alex is teasing that
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we talked about at the beginning of the show, that this isn't that story.
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This is just a completely, this is another story.
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It's another completely overblown, exaggerated, and manipulatively presented story designed
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solely to amplify Alex and his community status as victims of an oppressive government.
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The actual story is that the department of Homeland security released a promotional video
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about a surveillance drone that would be made available to law enforcement agencies.
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Infowars angle on this story, surprisingly, isn't that the DHS is providing surveillance
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drones to cops and that's fucked up.
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That is fucked up.
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It's that the promotional video includes footage of a clandestine gun sale, which they're
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offended is being presented as an illegal act.
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To quote the first paragraph from Paul Joseph Watson's article, quote, the promotional
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video for a surveillance drone now being purchased by law enforcement bodies across the country
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with the aid of DHS funding shows a UAV spying on a private gun sale, falsely depicting the
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scenario as criminal activity.
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I don't care about this stupid story and their desperate attempts to make their gun
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obsessive community look like scrappy oppressed underdogs doesn't charm me either.
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I literally am only even covering this because Alex didn't seem to have a problem with his
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exact same depiction of a private gun sale being depicted as illegal when his sponsor,
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where to hide your guns dot com included dramatized footage of it in their promotional video.
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Now, I wonder what's the difference between these situations?
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Oh, I know it's the fact that in the hide your guns commercial, the person who's purchasing
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the gun is a shirtless black man with an oversized dollar sign chain around his neck.
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And this is being presented as a criminal act in that video.
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Don't don't get it twisted.
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It was part of a compilation of reenactments, including a guy using a crowbar to break in
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a window.
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So Alex is perfectly fine accepting money from people who present private gun sales
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to black people as a criminal act.
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But when anyone dares suggest that an off the books gun sale to a white person might
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be illegal, it's proof that tyranny is upon us.
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This is woefully transparent.
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This is nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't I don't like the whole like private gun sale thing.
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Like that's that's I understand it's too it's too much to unpack.
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Yeah, because I do, you know, I don't I don't know where the line is.
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And I don't I don't know my full feelings on it are.
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But I do know that if Alex wants to get right with God, so to speak, and be consistent,
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he should never accepted money from hide your guns dot com.
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He should have made a huge deal about the fact that in their video they're depicting
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a private gun sale to this cartoonish character.
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I really can't believe I really can't believe that that's real.
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It's I every time you tell me that giant dollar sign chain buys a gun from a guy and then
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tucks it into his pants.
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You tell me that and every time I'm like, that cannot be real.
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This is that's just not possible.
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He doesn't care about that depiction, which I think more importantly than like, you know,
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bickering about private gun sales.
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I think it's more important that that sort of thing undercuts his he doesn't care about
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guns.
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No, it's about white people having guns.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets religious on your dumb ass man.
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We've heard him say some weird religious stuff in the past.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes it's like, I understand what you're this makes no sense.
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Just amazing.
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But see, it's the idea of, oh, it's of the Lord to turn your gun in.
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It's of the Lord to roll over to evil.
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Totally unbiblical.
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The Pharisees were planning to set Christ up and he wasn't ready to be killed yet.
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So he turned the other cheek to make the guy look like a fool.
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What?
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See, everything in there is about the particular story and time.
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It's like a handbook on how to behave.
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And it's all varied.
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But I guess the average dumbbell out there, you don't know how to understand the Bible,
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which saddens me.
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That's why they want you dumb down.
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Let's talk to Brian in mass.
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All right.
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So that whole turn the other cheek thing that Jesus made a really big deal out of.
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Right.
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That was actually Jesus playing the long game.
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If anyone may follow after me, so long as they're playing the long game, Dan.
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So this is legitimately next level fucked up.
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But Alex thinks that Jesus didn't turn the other cheek in the Bible because he did turn
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the other cheek, excuse me, because he was beefing these Pharisees and he wasn't ready
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to die yet.
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So turning the other cheek is a way of putting it off.
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Put it off that.
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I'll turn the other cheek now.
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But then a few years later, I am going to find you and stomp you down.
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The idea of turning the other cheek appears in Matthew 5 39, which, if you don't recall,
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is part of the Sermon on the Mount.
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This is a big speech for Jesus.
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He was still in the early stages of his preaching, though he'd recently gone out to the desert
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and resisted the temptations of the devil.
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So he was coming off some momentum, but still hadn't broken into the mainstream.
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You know, like for stand ups, it's kind of like if you did new faces at JFL, you don't
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have any late night credits.
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Right, right, right.
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So it's sort of like, you know, you've resisted the devil out in the desert, but you're not
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mainstream.
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Not there yet.
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Right.
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The sermon is basically Jesus laying out what mainstream Christianity is all about.
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You've got the Beatudes at the beginning.
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You've got the, like, blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth passages.
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Yeah, all hits.
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You got some points Jesus makes about what behavior is appropriate, and then you get
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to the cheek turning part.
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Turning the other cheek is explicitly explained in opposition to the mentality of an eye for
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an eye, referencing back to the old law of Leviticus.
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Right.
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It's a revolutionary idea of pacifism that Jesus is expressing, and it's clear what he
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means.
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Quote, but I tell you, do not resist an evil person.
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If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
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And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
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If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.
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There is a there.
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You're an idiot that doesn't know how to read the Bible, Dan.
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That's fair.
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I don't know.
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I'm not.
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Do you know what he was saying right there?
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I'm not the biggest biblical scholar, and I don't know what other instances Alex could
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be talking about, because there is a point where Jesus, like, gets hit and that, but
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that's already when he's been arrested.
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Yeah.
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Like, I don't I don't know what he's talking about.
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I don't know.
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There's that one book in the book of what was it?
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The Apocrypha where Jesus killed that kid.
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Like that kid.
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Child Gospel of Thomas.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The kid, like, ran up to him and he touched him and Jesus was like, fuck you, and then
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murdered that kid right away.
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But he brought him back to life.
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Well, yeah, but that's, you know, it could be that there's no reason that you would think
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that that boggles my mind.
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I don't know enough about, like, weird.
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I mean, I've read a lot of extra biblical scriptures, but I don't know enough to know
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if that exists somewhere in some non-canonical book.
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Maybe it was in the one where Jesus fought dragons.
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Turn the Other Cheek is specifically about Matthew 5.
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Like, that is that is where that exists in the Bible, and it's part of the Sermon on
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the Mount.
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Yeah.
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Also, seriously, the Sermon on the Mount is pretty much that one tentpole fucking, oh,
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this is why we have a Christ kind of thing.
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Sure.
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Like, that whole Beatitudes is like, oh, this is the whole reason that we're not doing...
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I think we might be pronouncing it wrong.
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Is it Beatitudes?
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Is it Beatitudes?
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Yeah.
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I thought it was, but then you said it and I didn't want to correct you because usually
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you research things.
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But I also misspeak a lot.
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That's true.
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That's fair.
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I am not good at pronunciation.
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You know what I am good at, though?
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What?
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Warning you that we're about to get a guest appearance from Mike Adams.
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Oh, no.
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The Health Ranger.
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Oh, God.
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So when we were recently on Behind the Bastards, we had the pleasure of Robert Evans telling
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us all about the terribleness that is Mike Adams.
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That giant piece of shit.
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And one of the things that even I was unaware of was that Mike Adams made that vaccine zombie
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song.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so when I turned on this episode, got to the Mike Adams portion and found out this
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bit of news, I was very unsurprised because the pump had been primed.
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What do you think about the Dorner situation?
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I mean, they say, burn that mother down, burn that effort down, burn down the house.
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Okay, we're placing the burners.
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We have fire.
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It's burned down.
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Mission complete.
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Well, we're doing a parody video on that with Billy Joel song.
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We didn't start the fire being sung by the LAPD.
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It'll be out this week.
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We didn't start the fire.
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It's been burned.
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And it's also Bill Clinton singing that over Waco.
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It turns out Mike Adams might have made a lot of parody videos.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Now I did search for this and I was hoping to be able to play it for you, but Mike Adams
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YouTube channel has been taken down.
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Of course.
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God damn it.
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And no one else has seen fit to repost his We Didn't Start the Fire parody.
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Surprise.
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Although from the blog post about it on Natural News, it didn't sound like they made new music.
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Right.
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I think they just put video over or like pictures over the Billy Joel song.
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Oh, okay.
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I was gonna say.
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So it might not have been as ambitious.
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So was he one of the founding members of the Lonely Island?
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And then they were like, Oh shit, you're a horrible monster.
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What if he was an SNL writer?
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That would be hilarious.
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So Mike Adams in this next clip says that Obama is a hypnotist, which is a good accusation
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to make.
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And then Alex talks about something that is absolutely not true.
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Absolutely does not happen on his show ever.
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There is no greater hypnotist in politics today than Obama.
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He's a hypnotic speaker better than Clinton ever was.
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And Clinton was a brilliant.
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How dare you, sir.
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But Obama is even better, a better master of neurolinguistic programming and hypnotic
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language.
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Is that why I love him?
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It must be.
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It must be.
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I love Obama.
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Why are you hurting him?
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You know, when I've taken the Obama callers, sometimes they call in desperate, going, You're
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a horrible liar.
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Why are you doing this?
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Don't you talk about it?
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And they're real people.
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We put them on hold and says, Is this a joke?
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And they're like, No, you devil.
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No, you devil.
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I actually believe it.
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I've listened to hundreds of hours, probably more than that of Alex's show.
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Yeah, I've never heard any caller that even is close to what he's describing.
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Of course not.
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I've never heard any caller that's like he could embellish into that.
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Yeah, I don't.
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It's bananas to me.
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The idea that he's presenting like Obama callers call in.
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Why are you hurting my hero?
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Yeah, like every time we've had him on the show, all I've heard was somebody trying to
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reasonably say, like, Alex, I know why you're saying that, but here's the and Alex is like,
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you fucking people.
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There have even been a couple of times where he specifically put out the bat signal for
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Obama callers, people who support Obama and the people who call in are like, I don't actually
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support Obama.
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You know, like, he generally gets people who are like, I don't support Obama.
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He's not as bad as you say he is, but I don't support him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All right.
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That's a far cry from someone crying on the line.
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Yeah, so Mike Adams has got this parody song that he's thrilled to put out, but he is like,
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I didn't I didn't realize this.
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I think Mike Adams might want to be seen as funny.
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I didn't realize that.
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Yeah, because he's not.
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Yeah.
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You know, remember that video that he made that we talked about where he's like, this
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gun can't fire itself.
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Right, right, right.
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I think he really thought that was probably super funny and was shooting for funny because
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you got like the vaccine zombie.
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That's clearly an attempt at humor.
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Yeah, we didn't start the fire parody song.
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He clearly has a pattern of making parody songs.
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Right.
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And then he comes in with this fucking hot bit like he's got a bit he's coming into Alex's
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show with.
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Is it a limerick?
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No.
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Damn it.
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All right, Mike, you came in here to get into some really big breaking health news is so
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important.
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But first off, tell the TV viewers, but describe it for radio listeners about Obama bites made
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in China.
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What is this?
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And go over the ingredients.
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Did you come up with this?
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Yeah.
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You know, I always like to bring a little bit of satire with me in the studio, but so
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we have a new nutritional product formulated by Obama called Obama Bites daily chewable
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multivitamin, and it's got all sorts of trace minerals in it that you can see here.
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He's got a prop.
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He's got a fucking this is amazing.
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I didn't realize you could be so unfunny.
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I didn't even know you were trying to be funny.
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Yeah, that is a new level of pretty impressive.
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That's crazy.
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But it's like, you know, it's almost like he thinks he's doing a late night show and
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he's coming to do panel and he's brought a bit.
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He's brought his well, you know, trying to give Alex a little bit of, like, easy lifting
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for what I'm going to impress him with how much prep work I did.
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I made a little bottle of Obama Vitamins.
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That's crazy.
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So now, Jordan, we don't think he's funny.
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But in this next clip, I think we get a strong evidence that Alex doesn't think he's funny
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either because Mike starts listing off the mineral names that are in the bottle.
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And this is fucking bombing in the room.
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Oh, no, this is so bad.
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This isn't Bob Duca.
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We're talking about, you know, listen to how silent Alex is through these bits.
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And it's got all sorts of trace minerals in it that you can see here, including obamnesium.
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You know, a lot of supplements have magnesium and, you know, zinc.
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But this has obamnesium, which causes you to forget history all the way back to 1776.
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So you forget American history here.
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This mineral is really powerful.
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Squeeze him.
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That helps the TSA do its job better.
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Squeeze him.
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That's a nice trace mineral there.
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Woof!
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You could just feel the bomb.
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Ouch!
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Yeah, just like the fact that Alex didn't respond to the obamnesium.
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And then he had to like, ha ha, he had to laugh at his own bit and then move on to the
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squeezium.
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Yeah, that was and over explaining it because he's.
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Oh, man.
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You have no help in that room, Mike.
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Yeah, that is rough.
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I have been to too many open mics with that.
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And maybe even where Mike Adams was with that bit.
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I felt it.
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Yeah.
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I felt that open mic bombing going on.
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Oh, yeah, that was that was some PTSD right there.
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Yeah.
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So we end the 25th.
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They just have a lot much longer conversation about unimportant health news.
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Who cares?
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And we get into the 26th and Alex has big news on the 26th.
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Yeah.
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And that is that he was on another show that morning.
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But this isn't the big news that he was teasing in the earlier shows.
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This is different big news.
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I promise that I'm not holding out on you.
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I do not know what that is.
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OK, OK.
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I was on Howard Stern for an hour and a half this morning.
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They were going to have me on for like 30 minutes.
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I was on for an hour and a half.
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And, you know, growing up off and on, listen to Howard Stern being on stations, broadcasting
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on stations that carried Howard Stern.
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It's just weird to be sitting there talking to Howard Stern for an hour and a half.
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And Robin Quivers really was waking up to the New World Order.
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And to a certain extent, Howard Stern was as well, and I was able to talk to his sizable
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audience, the biggest on XM and Sirius, undoubtedly, you know, the king of that format and, you
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know, able to talk to him about some really, really important issues.
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So Alex has swung Howard and Robin.
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OK, all right.
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There's not a ton of him talking about this other than just being like, you know, I started
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telling them about fluoride and they loved it.
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Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
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You get the sense that maybe they were fucking.
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They were definitely didn't realize it.
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Yeah, especially considering the state of affairs between him and Howard in 2019.
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Yeah, Stern Stern had to have been fucking with him.
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You get the sense.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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And I don't read it.
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I don't particularly care.
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But it is another interesting thing where Alex is like really excited about this greater
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exposure the show is getting.
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He now has like reached Howard, the king of all media.
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Yeah, he's reached his audience.
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And it's surreal to be on that.
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And it would be.
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It absolutely would.
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Absolutely.
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So you get you get a sense that like this is how he's putting the pieces together to
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like we really got to push, which shows in a rut.
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You got to mix it up.
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How do you do that?
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Well, you know, you got to change up a little bit the content and then also simultaneously
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you got to change up your strategies.
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You got to figure out how to get new blood in.
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Yeah, that's isn't that amazing.
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In 2013, that nobody had any idea like we all everybody thought that Alex was this odd
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like hilarious conspiracy theorist or they were a listener of his and they were or you
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just didn't know who he was or you just didn't know who he was at all.
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So people like Howard Stern would have him on his platform like Piers Morgan.
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And they had and we had no idea that all that would really do is lead to an incredibly
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increased presence of white supremacists everywhere.
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I mean, people thought Hitler was silly for a bit.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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So another thing that Alex does is he has a new guest on the show.
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And I don't think we're going to talk much about this, but I have some thoughts.
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And yes, my son is going to be in studio in about an hour.
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He's here at work with me today.
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And I want to get him in studio because he came
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up with some pretty funny jokes this morning.
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He has some other riffs on Mike Adams mineral names.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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He has more.
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He came up with more mineral names.
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And so Alex has him on.
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I'm not going to play any of Alex having his son on his show because I think that this
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is child abuse.
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We've already taken that editorial position.
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But I have a further editorial position that I need to make clear because of the circumstances.
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At this point, Alex won't say his son's name publicly, which I think is probably good.
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But he's letting him be on his radio show.
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At this point, his son is 10 years old.
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And all he does when he comes on is these little bits that are just like recreating
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some of the jokes that Mike Adams bombed with the day before.
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But it's a 10-year-old, so it would be funnier.
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And then also repeating a ton of lines he clearly has heard Alex say and then passes
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them off as his own beliefs and opinions as a 10-year-old.
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I really wrestled with this because on the one hand, I feel like playing clips of this
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fourth grader doing an impression of his dad talking about how the globalists are offshore
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bankers and shit clearly demonstrates how evil Alex is.
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He's the adult.
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He knows that his son doesn't understand any of the things he's talking about.
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And he's just repeating his own words in an attempt to gain his approval.
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He has a responsibility to treat his son as an individual, not as an extension of himself.
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But that's exactly what Alex is doing here.
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That said, I decided against it because this 10-year-old is someone who's not expressing
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their own positions.
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The only way to practice empathy towards this child is to refuse to accept that it's okay
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to make fun of him because he's connected to Alex.
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That's treating him as an extension of Alex as opposed to treating him as an individual,
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a child.
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Some may think that I'm being soft on Alex or his son, since Alex is the one who does
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look really bad in this situation, but I don't care.
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If you think that is the case, I appreciate your perspective, but I disagree with you.
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And I would rather deal with that criticism than what other feelings I would have about
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myself for indirectly or directly making fun of a 10-year-old.
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Yeah, I would really prefer not to criticize a 10-year-old's mineral jokes.
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The jokes are actually better than Macavon's, which is unfortunate for Mike.
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But especially because I kind of view that 10-year-old as a victim of child abuse.
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That's exactly what I said.
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More than anything else.
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So why would I want to be like, uh-oh, fucking unobtainium, but unobobanium is better.
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Like, fuck off.
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I wouldn't take that approach to it at all.
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It would just be playing a 10-year-old repeating Alex's stuff and Alex being like, yes,
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I've got a great acolyte here, doing his Palpatine impression.
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It's just, me bringing this up and explaining it should give you all you need.
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We don't need to play a fucking 10-year-old.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about how all high schools are fight clubs.
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Oh, fight clubs at high schools.
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They're discovering, I thought every high school was a fight club.
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Is the media just discovering that high school is a fight club?
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I literally, that's how I describe my high school.
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It was fight club, man.
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Fight club.
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We had the coolest coaches and stuff.
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You know, people had their heads split open and stuff.
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They wouldn't call the police on you.
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Anyways, but I guess we're all on estrogen now, so everything's fine.
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I think Alex just broke two of the rules of fight club.
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Yeah.
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He's talking about fight club.
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Wow.
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So I would say that it's not cool for coaches to not call the police after a kid gets their
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head cracked in the face.
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Kid gets their head cracked open.
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Nah, nah, makes them tougher, Dan.
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I don't think it's cool for these coaches to not be snitches.
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We had some really cool coaches though, Dan.
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They would let us kill each other and they would never do anything about it.
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They were so cool.
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That is indicative of like...
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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If you believe, if you believe that that's the appropriate place of school administrators,
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like you, who boy.
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Yeah.
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Also the fact that there's so many head traumas in Alex's life.
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Yeah.
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So many.
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It's hard not to believe.
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Like I'm not surprised he believes in an imaginary enemy.
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I'm surprised people listen to him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex comes out against science.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's about...
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Science is a religion of the eugenicist.
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And sure, the fake churches created false debates with science.
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A lot of them are even wronger than the scientists.
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But real science shows the creation and the creator.
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What?
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I'm now digressing.
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We'll come back, take some calls.
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I got a bunch of other news.
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So apparently the only real science in the world is that which confirms the existence
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of God.
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And yeah.
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So science is only good in so much as it is in line with religion, which means...
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Oh, okay.
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So then science would never have created guns.
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What do you mean?
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That confirms God.
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God loves guns.
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Oh, okay.
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Never mind.
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Didn't you read all the Bible passages about guns?
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I'm pretty sure that guns do not confirm or deny the existence or non-existence of a deity
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of any kind.
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Turn the Other Cheek is actually like a mistranslation from the original Hebrew.
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Cock your cock it up.
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And drop another round in the chamber.
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That's what it actually says.
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I don't know.
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So throughout this span of time, from the 24th onward, Alex has been really, really
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excited about a guest he's got coming up here on the 26th.
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It's someone who he has talked a lot of shit about in the past and is a major figure in
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right-wing media.
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He's somebody who has a gigantic radio show, and Alex has not been cool about in the past.
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He's said a lot of really fucked up shit about him.
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But this...
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Is it really Glenn Beck?
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No.
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This February 26th, 2013 is the first time that he is being a guest on Alex's show.
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And I believe it signifies the moment when this person goes from fuck this guy to he's
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one of the greatest patriots ever.
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It's Michael Savage.
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Okay.
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It was either Beck or Savage.
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He has Michael Savage on the show.
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And it's really interesting, because on the 25th, Alex got a call from some listener who
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was like, hey, you know he's fine with Obama using drones?
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If you have him on, you need to ask him these hard-hitting questions about the things that
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are really big differences in your worlds.
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Yeah.
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And Alex is just like, hey, I'm not gonna bait a guy in here and then ask him all these
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confrontational questions.
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And in my head, I'm like, what about the time you had David Rothschild on the show?
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What about all the times that you've done that to people?
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Go fuck yourself, Alex.
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No kidding.
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What about Bill Ayers?
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Come on, man.
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Alex, the reason that he's not going to do that is because in the same way that he's
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so excited that he went on Howard Stern's show, he recognizes that Michael Savage has
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a gigantic audience.
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And the idea of having some sort of detente between them, some sort of a coming together,
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a mutual respect building between them, that's super valuable to Alex, because then Alex
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might be able to go on the Savage Nation, Michael Savage's show.
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Or he might be able to bring some people from Savage's audience to him by having Savage
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on more.
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Savage doesn't do many interviews with people.
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He's fucking smarter than that.
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Yeah.
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He knows what's going to happen if he goes into hostile territory.
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He doesn't know anything.
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Well, he does know quite a bit, but he's so angry as a person that if he goes into any
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environment where, like, let's say you or I were, we could so easily bait him into saying
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the n-word.
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It would be the easiest fucking thing in the world.
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All right.
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Now I got who we're dealing with here.
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I think he knows that about himself.
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I don't put myself in that situation.
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I'm a fucking billionaire.
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I broadcast out of a enclosed space, and then I live my life.
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I do not go talk to liberals or anything.
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And I don't think it's because he's afraid of being proven wrong.
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I think he just knows he is full of rage.
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Gotcha.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And I have a reason for thinking that, and we'll get to that in a little bit.
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Because he's been convicted of assault on multiple occasions?
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I don't know if he has, but he's...
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He's been eligible.
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I don't know if that's the case.
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It's more verbal than physical attacks.
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Here's a couple of fun trivia pieces about Michael Savage.
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Okay, let's hear it.
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In the 1960s, he was friendly with Allen Ginsberg.
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What?
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Yeah.
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What?
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There's a picture of him skinny dipping with Allen Ginsberg.
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What are we doing, Dan?
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What are we doing?
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Stop it.
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Get out of here.
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He also worked for Timothy Leary.
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He was a gatekeeper at the LSD experimentation facility.
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What, Michael Savage is a fucking weird forest gump going through history being an asshole?
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Timothy Leary chose him, apparently, as the story goes, because Michael Savage was in
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no way interested in psychedelics and taking them.
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So he was a safe person to have as sort of a doorman for the place where they were experimenting
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with LSD.
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He is crazy.
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He has a history through these Bohemian circles through the 60s and 70s, and then he turned
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completely the other direction.
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And a lot of people who knew him back then have speculated that he felt a lot of rejection
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from those people.
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And part of his turning on them is like this weird betrayal that they're like, I don't
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know why this doesn't seem like him.
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I don't know what happened, but it's weird.
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Another person who used to know him also said that he wanted to be a comedian.
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And that he bombed performing because he wanted to be like this Lenny Bruce type, and that
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it didn't work out for him.
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And so he pivoted into this political sphere.
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God damn it.
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He is a guy who before he got super political, was writing books about like herbal healing,
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sort of alternative medicine stuff, because he is educated in that field and maybe knows
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some valuable information from there.
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But the way he's transitioned into what he's become is just awful.
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Do you know what I sometimes think about, especially with all of the guys that we were
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in our sphere, where there's so many of these right wing dudes who are failed comedians?
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So many.
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Mike Adams, add that to the list.
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Exactly.
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No kidding, right?
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I think I am the wrong amount of funny.
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I'm not funny enough to be famous.
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I'm too funny to have failed and become, because I could probably be a right wing hack.
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Well, I mean, I, I failed at comedy and like, uh, I think that if you do stand up and you're
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not that good at it, even if you're kind of good, you kind of have to have a little bit
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of humility to transition out of it.
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Right.
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Because otherwise you could take it as like a real injustice that's been done to you,
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that you never made it.
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Um, and you have to, you have to check your ego a tiny bit and recognize like, I didn't
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deserve to be famous.
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Nothing about, even if I'm super talented, that doesn't make me entitled to some kind
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of record deal or, or big tour.
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If you don't make something happen, maybe some choice you made along the way, or some
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choice you didn't make along the way is what led to you not being successful.
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And I think a lot of these people, you know, the people like a Gavin McGinnis or, or Michael
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Savage allegedly, according to this old friend of his, I'm not saying that, I mean, who knows.
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I'm not saying that, I mean, who knows the reports of him being a comedian or trying
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to be a comedian.
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I don't, they're just based on people who used to know him.
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I don't know how much that's actually like what drove him.
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Right.
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But there are enough of the people that fit this mold.
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You know, there's a generalization that you can make.
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I think a lot of those people felt entitled to some sort of a path to success through
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standup.
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And when they didn't get it, um, you know, you externalize that you externalize blame
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as opposed to being like, I just didn't have it.
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Or maybe it was timing or maybe it was luck.
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Who knows?
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You don't have to feel bad about it.
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But they've already, I mean, that's that victim mentality is what makes them so powerful at
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the end when they turn into the right wing monsters that they become.
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Yeah, it feeds that fire.
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Exactly.
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So also Michael Savage, he got into radio in the nineties and part of it was because
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he had written a book about immigrants causing disease.
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And people didn't want to publish it.
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And so he got into radio and then became pretty successful pretty quick.
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God damn it.
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And he's made a lot of money on it.
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You know, his books have been pretty successful.
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His Savage Nation, Borders, Language and Culture.
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He wrote a book about how politics is a zoo.
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And then he compared a bunch of people in politics to animals.
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It's very weird.
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Wow.
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I'm surprised he didn't make it in standup.
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Yeah.
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So he's made a ton of money on that.
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But also he has another revenue stream.
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And that is that his son is the founder of Rockstar Energy Drinks.
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That what?
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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What are we doing here?
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And his wife, Janet, is the CFO of Rockstar Energy Drinks, which is why I drink Monster.
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Yeah.
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Which was founded by Fred Koch.
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God damn it.
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So he has he's a super weird dude, Michael Savage.
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Really, when you look at it like there is there's a ton going on there.
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There's a lot of psychodrama in his life and a lot of really weird things like the idea
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that he in some way knew Allen Ginsberg, the fact that he knew Timothy Leary, the fact
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that his son started Rockstar.
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It's very weird things.
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That's so crazy.
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Yeah, very weird.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Alex has Michael Savage on and it's clearly an attempt to create an alliance
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that will be mutually beneficial for the two of them.
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They're not going to talk about Ken Kesey's electric Kool-Aid acid test.
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Fucking wish they would.
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That would've been great.
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But if they did, Michael Savage would just start screaming about how they're all like
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red diaper go for babies and all this nonsense.
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So the beginning of this interview is largely Michael Savage bragging about how great his
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show is and what have you, which whatever.
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Yeah.
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I'm on the best stations in the country.
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For example, Alex, I finally got on in New York City on WABC.
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Nine o'clock at night.
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Now what happened?
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Michael Savage.
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Who's he?
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I exploded within two months to number one amongst younger listeners, mainly males.
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I mean, women, as you well know, are not a big listenership in talk radio in general.
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I always joke.
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I say have eight listeners, eight women listeners across the country.
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Yeah.
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They're busy not having kids as the whole west dies.
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I think you might've answered your own question as to why most women-
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Yeah, I'm going to go with it.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I think when you put yourself in situations like this where you engage in that kind of
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casual misogyny, maybe you aren't going to attract a ton of female listeners.
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You know, I get it.
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I mean, only eight women listen.
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Women don't really listen to talk radio.
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Also, all women are stupid and we should never have given them the right to vote.
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And I don't understand why they don't listen.
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They're too busy not having babies like I want them to.
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Jesus, Alex.
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Wow.
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And I think Michael Savage saying like women don't like talk radio is on its own a little
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bit.
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They're like casually misogynistic.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Women don't like your talk radio.
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In this next clip, Michael Savage.
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Dude, if anybody...
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What I kept thinking is like, I used to listen to Savage back when I was in my late teens,
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early 20s, because there was a radio station called the Eagle in Columbia, Missouri.
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Okay.
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And Savage was on at a time when I happened to be in my car a lot.
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And he yelled all the time.
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There was something kind of entertaining about it.
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And I never agreed with his politics, but there was an interesting dynamic where like
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he would scream at callers and talk politics.
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And it was kind of like, oh, this guy, he's an asshole.
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And then he'd tell a story about getting like some really great pasta and like the passion
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of the story of going to this little Italian eatery.
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And like you could see the lighting in the place.
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You could see the tablecloths.
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And there was this like, man, there's an ASMR-ish quality to this voice telling you that story
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about this great meatball.
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And like, I was drawn to it somehow.
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And anyway, I had this perception of Michael Savage from years past.
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And I think a lot of people have positive associations with him.
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Some people probably think that he's really smart.
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I don't think he's as much of an idiot as Alex, you think he is.
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But like, I kept thinking in this interview, like, Jesus Christ, this guy's stupid.
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Like, listen to this next clip and like, like, Mike down for this one.
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Just because, like, think about what he's actually saying.
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OK, you know, Alex, last week I started my show by saying I saw a kung fu movie when
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I was out on vacation last week.
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I was watching a lot of television and there was a picture of a kung fu academy in China
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with thousands of young Chinese being taught by a really tough, mean kung fu teacher.
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And he's saying to them, no weakness, no pain, no mercy.
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And he says, what do we learn here?
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And the Chinese scream back in Chinese, no weakness, no pain, no mercy.
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And I say, look at my sad, sad country.
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We have a government and an educational establishment teaching our children to say, I'm weak.
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I'm in pain.
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This hurts.
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That hurts.
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I need the government to help me.
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Now, who wins this battle in the long run?
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Alex, that doesn't take a genius to figure out what's happening, does it?
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OK, so who wins this battle?
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Is it the youths of America or characters in a kung fu movie?
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Do you understand that this is the dichotomy he's making?
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Does he think that a kung fu movie is a 100% accurate depiction of all?
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Absolutely.
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Does he not realize that we also have kung fu in America?
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You can go to a kung fu dojo right now.
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You absolutely can.
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I would recommend you talk to Joe Rogan about it.
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I'm a big fan of Wing Chun kung fu.
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That was Bruce Lee's original discipline.
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It was amazing.
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You can do that here.
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Right.
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This is stupid.
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It's very stupid.
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I saw this kung fu movie and I thought, boy, our youths couldn't compete with those hardened
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kung fu acolytes in a movie.
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I really don't understand.
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What is with these fucking ding dongs and not differentiating between reality and movies?
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It's so crazy.
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Is it like an actual condition?
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It might be.
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Is this like an actual psychiatric thing that we just gloss over?
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We might be like accidentally realizing that a lot of these people just have some sort
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of inability to differentiate reality.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's possible.
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It would explain why they're so vociferously anti-communist.
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Right.
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Because you imagine that they grew up at a period of time where communism was presented
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as like the same way that marijuana is in reefer madness.
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Right, right, right.
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Like the commies were everywhere and they were coming to get you.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You might be able to trace some of those lingering sentiments to inability to differentiate the
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reality from that as presented in movies.
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I don't know, but I should tell you that whatever the source of it, it leads Savage to having
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some fucking really bad ideas.
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Alex, listen to me.
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I'll say it again.
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You better put them in a camp before they put you in one.
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As George Orwell wrote in the 1930s when he saw what the communists were going to do,
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if a man comes to put a bomb in your mother's house, put a bomb in his mother's house first.
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They, if they could, would put you and I in a concentration camp.
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No, no, they call for our arrest all the time.
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I mean, they call for ending free speech.
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They love it.
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So if you just pretend that your enemy wants to do X to you, you get to do X to them preemptively.
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That's bad.
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That's very bad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't like that.
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Where does Savage's line exist?
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Like who should be put in those camps?
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Like he's advocating that our enemies want to put us in a camp,
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so we should put them in a camp preemptively.
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Who?
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Anybody he thinks is an enemy, Dan.
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All red diaper-doper babies.
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Absolutely, put them in a camp.
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Right.
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That's one of his big, that's one of his big-
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All the women who don't listen to his show, put them in a camp.
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Sure.
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Any kids who don't want to go to Kung Fu Academy?
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Absolutely, put them in a camp.
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Right.
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I would put them in an academy, but-
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And Barack Obama.
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Oh no.
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And here's why, that dude can't get enough of teasing old white men.
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What?
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Are they trying to set up a civil war, Michael Savage?
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How do I know what they really want to do?
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It almost doesn't matter whether they're trying to do it,
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because they're really moving people against each other, aren't they?
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I have never seen a more divisive presidency in my life.
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I've never seen a president who basically antagonizes,
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should I lay it on the line, the older white males on a daily basis.
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He literally relishes making all the white males angry.
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He prays they will do something crazy to justify a reaction
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by the psychotic fascists in the government to make it very clear.
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Okay, I don't know how else to put it.
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He's trying to provoke a war in this country.
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Whether it will happen is only a matter of whether someone goes off or not.
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So, I mean, he's making it a little too overt.
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I mean, that's why he's, that's why he stopped himself.
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Like, should I lay it out?
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Like, should I express my racism here?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, let's go ahead and do it.
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Who cares?
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Jesus Christ.
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Well, if you're gonna do it, Infowars is the place to do it.
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You bet.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Toss that out there.
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Also, by his very own logic,
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that means that they should already be starting the Civil War, right?
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Yeah, probably.
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Well, I mean, he wants to put people in camps.
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Right.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, this is just the exact same sort of rhetoric
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that would be going around during the civil rights era
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of, like, you're rocking the boat.
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You know, like, you want to be able to fucking sit in these restaurants?
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Right.
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Why are you trying to antagonize old white men?
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Whatever you take steps towards being respected as equal human.
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Yeah, you're antagonizing old white men.
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Yeah.
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To old white men.
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As opposed to old white men being antagonized by...
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No, no, no.
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He's making them angry, Dan.
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Barack is making old white men angry.
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He's doing it on purpose.
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He knows what will make old white men angry.
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He's agitating.
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And that would be existence.
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That would be the existence of Obama.
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He really...
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I'm stoked he didn't say uppity, because goddamn it, did he want to.
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That's fucked up.
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I'm certain he has on many other occasions.
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Oh, of course, of course, of course.
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Savage is...
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Man, he's one of the worst.
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Man, that is racist.
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Yeah.
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That is racist.
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I mean, he talked...
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We talked about him on a past episode where Alex had him on.
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I don't remember.
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Probably from the 2015 period or something, and Alex was trying to get him off the hook.
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He was like, yeah, you're not saying this as a racist thing.
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He was like, don't speak for me.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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I do remember that one.
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Savage doesn't give a shit about people calling him racist.
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Yeah, that's true.
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His fucking son owns Rockstar.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't care if he gets kicked off radio stations.
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That's fair.
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He's independently so fucking rich.
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He can say whatever he wants.
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That's the dynamic that he has, and that's the way he's been living for quite a while.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah.
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So Alex talks to him about how great he did on Piers Morgan, how great Alex did on Piers
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Morgan, and Savage says something revealing.
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The fact is, Alex, you did a great job.
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I admire you for it, and you should keep doing it.
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I myself don't go on any shows.
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I haven't for years.
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I learned my lesson a long time ago.
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They're snakes.
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So like I said, he knows better than to go places.
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Where did he learn his lesson?
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Well, back in 2003, Michael Savage had a show on MSNBC.
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Uh, that was a bad idea.
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That's crazy.
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Who put him on what?
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I remembered that always as him being on Fox, but I apparently just mixed it up in my memory.
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He was on MSNBC, and here is a clip of what got him fired.
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Let's go to a caller.
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If you have an airline horror story, give me a ring right here on the Savage Nation.
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Go ahead, please.
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Did you have a worst case than this one?
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Hey, Michael Savage.
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Pleasure to speak with you today.
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I was flying out of LaGuardia, and there's two undercover security guards.
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Yeah, somebody was smoking in the bathroom.
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Someone was smoking in the bathroom.
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Unbelievable.
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Okay, what happened?
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Half hour into the flight.
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I need to suggest that Donna might take your because your teeth are real bad.
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All right, so you're one of those sodomists.
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Are you a sodomite?
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Yes, I am.
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Oh, you're one of the sodomites.
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You should only get AIDS and die, you pig.
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How's that?
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Why don't you see if you consume me, you pig?
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You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage?
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You got nothing to do today?
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Go eat a sausage and choke on it.
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Get trichinosis.
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Okay, you have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in
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the bathhouse, is angry at me today?
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Huh?
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Get me another one.
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Put another sodomite on.
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No more calls?
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I don't care.
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Let's go to the next scene.
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I don't care about these bums.
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They mean nothing to me.
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They're all sausages.
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Next scene.
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On to the next scene on the Savage Nation.
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That got him fired.
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So that was on TV?
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Yeah.
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So that was on television?
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Yeah.
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On a televisual device.
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That was recorded?
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And broadcast to the world?
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And you could hear, like, when he's...
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On MSNBC.
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And you could hear that producer was like, whoa!
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Yeah, I know.
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That was the funniest part.
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Oh, no!
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That moment when the guy was like, whoa!
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You're just watching like, oh, fuck, we shouldn't have given this guy a show.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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How long did he last?
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I don't know.
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I don't know how long his show was.
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It seems like that must have been, like, a month or two in.
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I think it might have been a little longer than that, but I have no idea.
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But the point is, like, this is the kind of person that he is.
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And he's allowed to get away with it on radio because, like, radio needs attention.
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Yeah, it just needs anybody.
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Yeah.
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Anybody who can draw ears.
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And if you're in for whatever Michael Savage is bringing to the table,
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you're not going to be too turned off by him yelling shit like that.
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Homophobic nonsense.
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So Savage sucks.
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He's a real piece of shit.
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And I think that's where he learned his lesson of, like,
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when you go into other places that you don't fully control.
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Yeah.
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Like, he fully controls his own radio show.
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Right.
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So you go into other areas, you might fucking yell at somebody that they're a sodomite
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and they should die.
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And then all of a sudden, it's a big news story that you got fired.
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That doesn't look good for the brand.
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No, it doesn't.
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And it's not fun, you know?
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Like, sure, I'm a billionaire and it doesn't matter to me, really,
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but I don't enjoy it.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It was like a really bad couple of weeks.
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People had texted me.
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I slept poorly for a couple of days.
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I mean, I still slept well, comparatively.
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Of course.
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I mean, my bed is amazing.
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Yeah, I bet he has a fucking water bed.
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Yeah.
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Seems like the kind of creep.
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Just as a fuck you to everybody else.
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Yeah.
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Anyone has a water bed, it's probably Michael Savage.
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So in that earlier clip, he's saying that Obama is antagonizing old white men.
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And that should give you a pretty strong indication that he might be a racist.
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Yeah.
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And this next clip doesn't help anything.
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They're very clever.
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Don't ever underestimate your enemy, Alex.
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I agree.
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They are very clever.
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They're very angry.
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They're very frightened.
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And that makes for a very dangerous enemy.
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So they can't get you on the Second Amendment.
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So they cleverly said, OK, so we can't take the guns away from the cracker.
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Let's take the bullets away from the cracker.
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That's what they're doing here, Alex.
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And that's exactly what needs to be exposed to the general public.
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And Alex doesn't agree with this.
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I mean, like when when you have someone who's as overtly racist as Michael Savage.
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Yeah.
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He's willing to say they're trying to take the crackers guns.
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Right.
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Like Alex agrees with him, but he always tries to play that like, no, it's about the guns.
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Savage lays bare because he doesn't give a shit.
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Yeah.
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That it's about them taking guns from white guys.
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Yeah.
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And that's really, really penetrating for Alex's like the the sleight of hand that he
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likes to play that like, no, what it's about is about race for you, Alex.
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It's a defensive of whiteness.
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I really don't want to die because of imaginary bullshit.
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It makes me so frustrated because nobody is trying to take the white man's gun away.
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No one.
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No one's trying to do it.
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Zero people are trying to do it.
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Oh, and that and that and somehow that's how we're going to die because somebody will not
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because of them.
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No, I know.
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But you get it.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Yeah, it is a bummer.
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Yep.
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So we have one last clip.
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Uh huh.
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Michael Savage giving his prescription for what needs to be done other than put everyone
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in camps.
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Right.
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And allow old white men to go on antagonized.
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Yeah, it would be terrible if old white men were antagonized.
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All right.
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He has another suggestion.
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There should be drug testing in Congress.
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There should be drug testing in Congress, Alex.
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My final word.
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And again, you've got a degree in epidemiology, nutrition, sciences, PhDs.
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I mean, you name it, you can recognize it.
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And I look at Pelosi.
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She looks like she's hopped up.
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I mean, if I pulled her over, if I was a cop, she was like a total like she's on something.
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She's on power.
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But if you look at Congress and make them pee in a cup, I guarantee you, 60% of them
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would be fired.
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Amazing.
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The book A Time for War.
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Get it.
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Get it out to everybody.
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They don't want you to read it.
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So in that clip, I mean, he says Alex says that he's got a degree in epidemiology.
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PhDs, you name it, Dan.
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He doesn't.
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He has a PhD in ethnobotany.
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OK, that's different.
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Yeah, that's a little bit different.
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But it does give him the sort of expertise that you might want for like plant based medicine
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books.
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Yeah, that actually sounds great.
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So it's nothing to be judged too much there and like homeopathy, you know, like he's really
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adjacent to that sort of world.
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Is he?
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But well, then that's what was he was in his earlier career.
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OK, well, talk to him then.
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That's what really makes me bad about him.
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Herbalism.
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Yeah, but whenever he's being presented as like he has PhDs in epidemiology, he's a doctor.
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Well, I guess he is a doctor.
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He has a PhD, but not in the sense that is understood by his words.
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Yeah.
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It's just all all the shell game.
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It's all pretend.
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It's appearances.
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I don't know.
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I just it's a bummer.
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I really don't like Michael Savage.
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No, he is a giant piece.
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I the only in the only interaction with Michael Savage I've ever had is on this show.
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And that's like only a couple of times that he's come up on the show.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I had no idea he was this much of a piece of shit.
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Oh, man, you can find so many videos of him just screaming at people.
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He is a he's he there's a good chance that Michael Savage is like the the the final stage
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of most of these propagandists.
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Like if they had their druthers, they wouldn't suffer anybody who disagreed with them.
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They just scream at them and tell them they hope they died.
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Yeah, because why engage?
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Alex has already made clear in this episode, like there are good arguments for gun control,
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but just yell at people.
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Yeah.
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Like, why wouldn't you just treat everyone that way?
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Oh, you think women should have rights?
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Go fuck yourself.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it's a it's a it and weirdly enough, it's a pure distillation of what it is they
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actually believe, which is go fuck yourself.
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Yeah, you're not me.
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So you fucking suck.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Michael Savage expresses outright hostility to everyone who is non white, non straight
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white women, Muslims in particular, get a real fucking hard punch from him.
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And it's not for any other reason than he hates them.
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Yeah, it is hateful, hateful, angry dude.
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It's so weird to me that you can be somebody that it even exists of like, well, the only
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people on the planet I identify with are other white males who look almost identical to me,
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because I mean, that's it seems like a psychopathy of some sort, you know, where it's like, I
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just cannot understand and will not engage with anybody who is not me.
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It is it's like a clinical lack of empathy.
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Yeah, that's being expressed.
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And like, what you have is like, Michael Savage is almost cruelty embodied, and it has been
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for a long time on the radio.
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And that is why it makes total sense that, you know, he is another one of these dudes
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who became big Trump guys.
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Yeah, whenever Trump came around, like, it makes total sense.
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Their brand is cruelty.
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Their brand is, well, I mean, largely status quo based cruelty.
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Yeah.
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And so, of course, they get on board makes it's the easiest thing to predict.
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Yeah, fuck these guys.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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So we reach the end of this stretch here.
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We get to the 26th and we still don't have the big news news that Alex is working on
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is investigative report, whatever that might be.
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I feel a little self-conscious because of my guessing what it is, and I might be completely
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out of line on that.
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I might be way off base.
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I don't know.
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And I've listened to the next episode after this, and I still don't know.
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There may be nothing.
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It might be entirely possible, but it does feel to me from the just the context clues
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that I get, the sense, the feel of it, it feels like it's drifting in that direction
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towards it being a revelation about Sandy Hook.
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Yeah, and at the same time, though, I could totally see it being some shittily cut together
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video of, like, when did the Nancy Pelosi, like, making a miss, when did that video where
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Nancy Pelosi misspeaks for a second and he won't fucking shut up about it?
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Right.
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What was that?
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That was more recent.
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That was more recent, right?
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The 2013.
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Like, maybe he did it then, you know?
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Like, it's that kind of, that might be his big news.
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It could be.
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We caught Nancy Pelosi going, instead of, and that's it.
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Totally.
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Or it could be something about the, like, fucking Department of Education.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know, but it feels, it feels like it.
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What big stuff is going on around this time?
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I know.
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Especially with the fact that he's making so much more outreach.
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Like, he's everywhere, apparently.
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Yeah, whatever the case, I hope on our next episode we find out what it is.
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That'd be lovely.
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Yeah, we'll see.
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Either way, because if it doesn't come back up again, I am going to be so mad.
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I'm going to guess we're not going to find out what it is.
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I believe it.
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That's where I would put my money.
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Yeah.
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But because the tension of this is going to kill me, we're going to stay in the past for
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the next episode.
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Present be damned.
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I don't know, I don't care.
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Nothing he could be talking about is more interesting to me than what the fuck in-depth
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shit do you have going on?
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There are hidden cameras.
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What could even be involved?
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Uh, I again think that's just talking shit.
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You think that's just talking shit?
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Probably.
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All right, fair enough.
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Uh, but we'll find out, uh, uh, maybe Wednesday?
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Who knows?
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But we'll be back then anyway.
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Um, but until then we have a website.
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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We have a direct Libsyn, uh, you can find our Twitter accounts.
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Usually sometimes we'll post stuff there.
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That is wild.
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Uh, it was, it was kind of crazy, wasn't it?
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Yeah.
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Mm hmm.
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Uh, so that's the best place to find us, I suppose.
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Anyways, you can also find us in, uh, street signs, uh, depending on if you pick one letter
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out of each street sign, eventually it will spell knowledge fight and we'll give you an
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episode.
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So Alex, uh, went on Howard, he went on Stern and, uh, he thinks that he's turned them on
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to the new world order and what have you.
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I don't think they have, uh, been, uh, flipped necessarily.
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Uh, but, uh, you know, the co-host of that show, Robin, uh, I don't think she's killed
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anybody.
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I don't think so either.
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But one guy who technically probably has as Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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