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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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How was your first experience with pandemic?
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Oh, we played a little board game the other night.
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We did!
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You just got a grill recently, and so I came over to your house,
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we made some delightful burgers, and we played the game Pandemic,
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which I believe was very widely recommended by our listeners
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in the wake of our talking about the Illuminati card game,
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and everybody going crazy, everyone loves games.
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And it was a lot of fun, it was great, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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I don't know, we lost.
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Yes we did, it was pretty brutal.
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I think that was part of the learning curve though,
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you know, just taking it out of the box, figuring out how to play.
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I think you're going to lose your first time,
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you don't have to take that too self-consciously, although,
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you know, I was a little bummed out.
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Yeah, it is a little bit weird to lose a cooperative strategy game
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and not feel like you're kind of dumb.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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You're like, I lost to a game?
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That's not fair!
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Well, we lost because of the timer, or like whatever,
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we ran out of cards, and the built-in, like,
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we could have won if we had more time.
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Yeah, I think that's the...
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That's how the world is gonna, once climate change kills us all,
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like, well, we could have done it, but it was a lot of fun.
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God damn it, if George W. Bush hadn't been,
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hadn't stolen the election, we might have survived this one.
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Yeah, but pandemic was a lot of fun,
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I look forward to playing it again at some point.
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Indeed, indeed, I enjoyed it.
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Yeah, I enjoyed it as well, and this will be enjoyable on some level,
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because it's a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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Indeed, we've got an episode to do today, but before we get to that,
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I want to say a special thank you again to the dudes from QAnon Anonymous.
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Absolutely, had a great time with them too,
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I hope we get to play pandemic together someday.
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And more pointedly, perhaps, a thank you to everybody who,
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with all the positive feedback, it was a massive departure from our format.
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I was very worried about the idea of how it was going to be received by the audience,
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who I thought might be confused, and wall to wall, everybody,
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with very positive, nice things to say.
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Um, so, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is,
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we're going to the present day, since Monday was that QAnon Anonymous crossover episode.
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Oh no, not the present, presents day.
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Wednesday's gotta, yeah, take that role this week.
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And when I do these present day episodes,
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one of the things I strive to do is be as close to current as possible,
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going to cover things that are...
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Too late, yeah.
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And today, I wanted to do that, but I can't.
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Because I started covering Wednesday, May 8th,
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and I realized, sure, it's a week old at this point, this episode,
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but there was too much going on on it that I felt I couldn't leave this uncovered.
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So that's what we'll be going over today, Wednesday, May 8th.
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Sounds good.
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We'll get to that in just one second, but before we do,
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gotta say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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Thanks, David.
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Thank you, David.
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Next, Kevin.
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Next, Andrew, thank you so much.
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Rope Groove.
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So Genevieve, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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So Jordan, May 8th, 2019, Wednesday, I don't know how else to build this up.
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I mean it's my birthday.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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See that's why I did it.
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That's why you did it.
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I forgot which day last week was your birthday.
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Yeah, that's why we did it.
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That's why we did it. It was my birthday episode. Yeah, of course.
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How inconsiderate of me.
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So for your birthday, maybe this is the best present you could possibly have.
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Sure.
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Almost the first half hour, 40 minutes of the show, Alex Jones appears to be very depressed.
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Alright, that's nice.
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Clinical depression level symptoms coming out of this thing.
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I'm liking this.
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So here is just sort of a cross section of, I think that this embodies the depressed vibe Alex has got.
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Here's what's happening.
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I don't even know I continue on doing the show at this point.
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I think I may just end the show right now because things are so bad in this country.
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I think talking about it is almost a way of just making it a form of entertainment.
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I really, really, really do.
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We have to do some really, really drastic things.
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If you see any of these tech executives in person, I wouldn't try to run them out of restaurants.
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I wouldn't try to do what the Democrats have said due to us that are fighting back against the bullying.
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But I would definitely let them know that you're aware of their criminal activity and that they will be brought to justice.
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And if you live next door to them, you should let them know that.
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If you run into them, you should.
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If you can do anything to hurt their stocks.
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If you can do anything to let these criminals know because they're consolidating power and it's getting worse by the day.
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So there's a fatalistic element to what he's talking about.
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It seems like he kind of has resigned in some ways to like, I'm not doing it.
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Do I agree with him here? I kind of think I do.
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Well, it's kind of him showing his cards.
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Coming around to the position of whatever I'm doing isn't solving any problems.
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I'm just making entertainment out of this.
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Maybe I should stop this show.
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They'll get sued a lot.
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Right now.
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There's just this super weird vibe.
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And I don't think that clip fully embodies it because there's parts where there's just like frequent four-second pauses where he's just like, ugh.
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You can just feel it in here.
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This lethargy. It's like, I don't know what.
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Ugh.
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It feels like the will to live has been sucked out of him.
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And when I was listening to it, I was very puzzled.
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I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
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I don't even know what I hate anymore. Do I want guns? Ugh.
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I had so many theories about what could possibly be going on.
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And like Alex does all the time, you don't need to have theories. He will just tell you.
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He just watched the opening 20 minutes of Up. That's what happened.
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He did watch something.
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Okay. All right.
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I got the vibe that he was really depressed and that something must be up.
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Like a good friend, I sensed a difference in him.
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Of course, of course.
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And thankfully, about 40 minutes in, he lets us know exactly what's going on
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and what has caused him to lose his will to live.
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We're dying. We're dying.
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And I went and saw a movie last night and it was exactly what I thought it would be.
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At this point, I thought it was Avengers Endgame.
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Yeah.
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I legitimately thought like, oh, he saw Avengers and...
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It's the only thing that makes sense.
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Right. I thought that was for sure it. It's a little more indie than that.
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And worse, so incredibly boring, so incredibly predictive, so pathetic.
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I still at this point thought it was Endgame.
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It's got to be Endgame.
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I have heard a clip of him, or not a clip, I heard it on some other episode
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where he was talking about how Endgame stole his title.
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Yeah.
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And so like I thought for sure it's like some sort of a, it is not Endgame.
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All right.
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And we will see what it is.
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The people so weak and so soulless, slaves.
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And it's exactly what I thought it would be.
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God damn it. What is it?
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It's exactly what I knew it was, following it in the real world.
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And it was a giant PR rollout for Satanism.
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And not for the fake atheistic Satanism where the atheists claim,
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oh, I'm really an atheist.
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Yeah, totally.
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As I was listening to this, I still thought like,
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he's going to get around something about Loki or I have no fucking idea.
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This is nuts.
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Thor cut his head off.
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Oh, sure you are.
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Yes, of course you are.
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These were actual devil worshippers.
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And by that they see themselves as the devil and you as their food.
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It's a predatory thing.
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Do as thou wilt is the whole law.
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What?
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And just thank God I'm not with those people.
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But being in the theater and looking at the weak chicken neck people around me
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and watching their enjoyment was soul-sucking.
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Like when you're in Los Angeles and feel the desperateness and the emptiness
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and the lostness.
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And the movie is Hail Satan.
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I'm going to talk about it later in the broadcast.
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Wait, it's just called Hail Satan?
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It's a documentary.
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Okay.
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It's a documentary about the satanic temple that's sort of farcical a little bit.
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There's a real humor to it.
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He's going to get into it later in the episode.
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So we'll talk about it.
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But Alex went and saw this Hail Satan documentary
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and it is completely destroyed the beginning of his broadcast.
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Why did he see this movie?
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That was my first question.
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Why would you do that?
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What are you doing there?
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What are you going to gain from this sort of...
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I wanted to give my children culture.
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I don't think he allowed his kids to go.
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I think he probably put on a false nose and glasses.
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A little fake mustache went to the theater incognito.
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Owen Schroyer's right next to him wearing a balaclava.
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Also, he went to the Alamo Drafthouse.
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Of course.
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He's seeing the movie.
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He's probably drinking while he's there too.
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Yeah.
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So maybe this depression that he's manifesting is just a hangover
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because he saw a documentary where Satanists are put in a good light
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and that is going to cause a bender.
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Yeah, no, that's going to be trouble.
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So any of these possibilities are there like he saw Satanists in a documentary
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ergo losing the will to live.
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Of course, of course.
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Or saw Satanists in a documentary driven to drink a little sloppy the next morning.
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Oh there.
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For sure.
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Long pauses between words.
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Both equally possible.
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He's got a terrible headache.
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So he sees this documentary and he goes on long jags
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about how these Satanists are low down, broke backed, soul sucked.
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Okay.
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All this.
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His normal satanic imagery.
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Right.
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That's all the people in the audience.
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Of course.
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And he specifically takes a lot of those ideas that he's putting on to the Satanists
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and you'll see very clearly in this next clip what he does is he takes those characterizations
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and applies them to Democrats in order to conflate Satanists and Democrats.
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Sure.
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Why not?
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And I think that there is actually a specific reason that he's doing that.
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Okay.
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And I can tell you, not just here, but in Europe and many other areas, the actual operating
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system, like a computer program, like Windows 2000 of the Democratic Party is Satanism.
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And again, I remember, you know, three star air force generals telling me that 20 something
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years ago.
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I didn't believe it.
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I remember, even though I grew up, there was a lot of that going on in Dallas and wealthy
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areas.
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Which?
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These weren't white trash, Antifa, meth heads.
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Wait a second.
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These were rich people and this was more Luciferian, but it was the real deal.
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Wait a second.
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I got to pause there for a second because Alex's whole thing is about anti white racism
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and now he's throwing around white trash.
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That is not cool, man.
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Why not?
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What are you doing?
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Most of your listeners are white trash.
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I'm not even fine with you throwing it around flippantly as a joke.
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Like the idea that he is like his whole brand proposition is defense of attacks on white
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people.
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And white trash is one of the terms that's used most derisively about poor white people.
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It seems completely incongruous that someone with the market share that Alex does would
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be okay with like throwing that around to insult some other white people.
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Hey, you're depressed.
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You know, your filters are way at their lowest.
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It's crazy.
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Maybe, maybe it doesn't even mean it.
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It's just his, his rage trying to get its way out in a sad, in a sad direction.
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Fine, but he's still anti white.
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Alex Jones has turned on the whites.
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What do they have left?
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Oh boy.
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But even though I was around it, I still couldn't believe that it was this rampant.
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And that's what I'm going to be getting into at the bottom of the next hour.
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I meant to write some notes last night when I got home or today of watching, um, hell
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Satan, this new movie, and it was just like, that's the Democrats.
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And I, when I first five minutes in, I went, Oh my gosh, it's the operating system.
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They're going to say, this is the new religion of America and the democratic operating system.
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They're going to show all these Democrats that said, Oh, I wasn't atheist, but now I'm
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a Satanist and it's a tongue in cheek thing, but it's real.
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So I have a, I have a very strong theory as to why he sees these Satanists in the documentary
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and he says, Oh my God, it's the Democrats.
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But have you seen the documentary?
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I haven't.
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Um, so I want to say that like the depression that he was manifesting at the beginning of
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the episode kind of made me feel a little bit gross and sad until it was contextualized
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in like, it was a doc, I saw this documentary about Satanism and uh, you know, that's what's
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causing it.
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So you know, the previous night before this episode, he'd gone to the old cinema and he'd
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seen the documentary, hail Satan, which I mean, the first question you had is the first
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question anyone has, which is why the fuck would he go and do that?
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Of course.
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It's the sort of thing.
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It's like, you know, better.
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You don't need to go see this.
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Just watch a YouTube video about the, you know, the eighties.
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What?
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Yeah.
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What are you going to get out of it?
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Exactly.
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What are you going to get out of it?
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It's gratifying in some way that you can't just get that same charge from reading like
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a book by my uncle who wrote books about satanic ritual abuse.
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Reading the title of a book by your uncle would be more than enough for him to get sad.
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For those who haven't listened to all of our episodes, my uncle, uh, wrote a number of
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books about multiple personality disorder and how it's caused by satanic ritual abuse.
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And the only cure is Jesus.
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He is a not a widely respected in the community.
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Yeah, he's a, he's a little bit, uh, uh, pariah.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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I don't know about pariah, but he's certainly not seen as a luminary.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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So I've not had a chance to see this movie, this documentary that Alex is talking about,
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but I watched the trailer and it looks really pretty interesting and I would be inclined
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to go see it.
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Um, but it's also really easy to sort out what the story of the movie is.
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The documentary follows a group of people who advocate for marginalized groups and particularly
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against the oppression that comes disguised as Christian principle, uh, and the, uh, protecting
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the separation of church and state.
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And they've formed this satanic temple in order to force the issue, right?
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They're the ones who will be like, Hey, if you're going to erect the 10 commandments,
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we'll get to put a statue of the devil.
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We'll get to that.
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Yeah.
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I've uh, so the group, the documentary follows is called the satanic temple and it should
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be pointed out that they explicitly don't believe in a supernatural Satan.
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Satan is just a metaphor that they use in a powerful symbol that they will to get free
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press and demonstrate how much Christianity infringes on people's way of lives, uh, in
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ways that most people just accept as the default.
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For instance, in 2013 they held a rally to support Florida governor Rick Scott signing
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Senate bill 98, which allowed children to pray at school in assemblies.
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They rallied in support of the bill specifically to illustrate that the bill meant that if
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a student wanted to pray to Satan at the assembly, the school would have to let them.
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They were using the tool of people's response to Satan as a way of highlighting that you're,
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you know, you're probably not cool with the idea of satanic prayer in school and possibly
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maybe someone else might not be cool with any prayer in school.
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So they're using that as a lightning rod to get you to understand what your actions appear
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like to other people.
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Yeah.
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They're describing a pendulum, right?
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They've used the church to launch a number of purely social advocacy.
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For instance, they started the protect children project where they allow parents to sign up
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on their website if their child goes to a school that uses corporal punishment or prolonged
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isolation as punishments for infractions.
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After the parents registered, the temple will contact the school and inform them that the
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punishments they're using are a violation of religious principles and post a challenge
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to the practice as a way of protecting these kids.
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Right.
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The religious principle here is that the satanic temple believes that you, your quote, body
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is inviolable and subject only to one's own will, which is a tenant that they hope they
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can also use to provide religious exemptions to purely religiously based abortion laws.
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So they use these things very strategically as a way to advocate.
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Their works have ranged from things that are a little bit PR stunty, like when they married
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a gay and lesbian couple on top of Fred Phelps' mother's grave and then the satanic priest
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teabagged her tombstone.
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Pretty funny.
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A little bit stunty.
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Look, tasteless, maybe.
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Yeah, a little.
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Hilarious?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, it's on the more PR focused end of it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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But also the point is still.
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Right.
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The point, I mean, you take away the teabagging and maybe I'm more on board with the stunt.
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How dare you take away the teabagging?
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But some of them are a little bit more just directly confrontational.
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Yeah.
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On that side of things, the satanic temple were the ones, like you mentioned, who after
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Oklahoma state representative Mike Ritz planned to erect a monument to the 10 commandments
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on state property insisted that that meant they had the right to erect a statue of Baphomet.
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They didn't want to erect the statue of Baphomet at the state capital.
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They only wanted to illustrate why they didn't want a monument to the 10 commandments and
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it worked.
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The case Prescott versus Oklahoma Capital Preservation Committee ended up getting rid
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of the 10 commandments monument and then immediately the satanic temple dropped their
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plans to put up their statue.
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When Arkansas planned to put up a 10 commandments monument, the satanists brought back out the
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statue and are currently in the process of challenging that one, too.
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The point they were driving at is very clear.
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It's basically high concept social progressive trolling under the guise of using Satan as
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a theme.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The satanic panic, well, why not just lean into it?
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Right.
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And use it liberally.
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Exactly.
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Which, I mean, I don't know.
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Members of the group don't even really have to be satanists to join the church.
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As one of their New York members explains, quote, you don't even have to be a satanist.
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You could just be a strong ally who believes in the political and secular actions without
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being super stoked about all the aesthetic aspects.
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So I get what they're doing.
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They're trying to fuck with right wingers by using a lot of their tools against them.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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Pretty much everything the satanic temple does is specifically about protecting the
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division of church and state and about supporting vulnerable communities, be it the LGBT community,
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immigrants, Planned Parenthood employees, or kids who get hit in schools.
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I admittedly don't know everything about the group.
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But from everything I can tell, while my personal taste doesn't go for some of the theatricality,
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it seems like they're doing important work and are pretty effective.
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Well, I mean, consider the, you know, the almost certainly, or no, the unconstitutional
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Georgia abortion ban, all of those things.
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If you're going to have a religious exemption law for, you know, a hospital, a nurse refusing
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to treat a gay or lesbian patient, if there's a religious exemption for that, then almost
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certainly you can argue in court that there would be a religious exemption for abortion
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if you were a satanist.
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Or the same logic tracks from the religious exemptions for vaccines.
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You could very easily...
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My religion specifically dictates that I have control over my own body, and this is in violation
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of that.
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It's a federally recognized religion, tax-exempt status and all that.
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So ironically, Georgia may have created a million satanists.
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Well, the devil is going to go down to Georgia.
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So I see like a lot of what they're doing, and again, I'm not going to bat hole cloth
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for the organization.
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I don't know enough about their various chapters and there could be, you know...
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I'm sure there's a bunch of assholes.
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There could be some CD shit somewhere.
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I'm sure there's a bunch of assholes.
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Or whatever.
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I'm not sure.
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Because of the higher profile, bigger stuff that I'm able to find out about.
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It seems like stuff that I tip my hat to.
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Just short of me becoming a satanist.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm sure they got a turf or two, you know.
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Right.
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But they seem to be doing some good stuff, but Alex fucking hates them.
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And he likes to pretend that he hates them because they're low-down dirty fools seduced
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into following a literal personified Lucifer.
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It's pretty clear if you look into what this group does, and if you watch the trailer for
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this documentary, it's clear that it's mostly about their social activism.
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The conclusion is pretty tough to escape that what Alex hates about them is their social
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conscience.
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He hates that they're into providing pretty tough resistance to the merging of church
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and state, which Alex is pretty into.
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He hates that they accept people of all sexual orientations, of all identities, of all races,
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and they don't think that anybody is weird.
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He hates that they take the protections that his religion has exploited forever and turned
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them around on him, because he knows that the only argument he can really use against
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them is an argument that also erodes his religion's hegemony.
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They have got him trapped to a certain extent, that if he argues against whatever they're
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doing on a religious ground, he erodes his power.
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Or he's advocating for an out-and-out theocracy that is going to crush all other religions.
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It's sort of forcing his hand.
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And so his only attack is that they're evil worshippers of a literal Satan, which is pretty
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lame and absolutely against their own stated positions for years.
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Yeah, I have a struggle anytime I recognize that people do believe in a literal Satan.
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I'm always like, really?
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Are we sure about a literal Satan?
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I'm not sure.
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I mean, I'm positive that there are some folk who do, but I've never met anybody who professes
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to be a Satanist who doesn't look at things as a metaphor.
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Absolutely not.
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But you know what's interesting?
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Those are Wiccans.
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This is pretty fun.
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In Hating the Satanic Temple, which is the group that the documentary is about, Alex
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Jones has an unlikely ally, and that is Anton LaVey's Church of Satan.
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A representative of the Church of Satan has said that, quote, the Satanic Temple amounts
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to no more than a bunch of trolls giving Satanism a bad name in a bald quest for attention,
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and it's called them not real Satanists.
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They're giving Satanism a bad name.
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Enemy of my enemy is my friend, Alex Jones and Anton LaVey are teaming up against the
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socially progressive Satanic Temple.
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Finally they can agree on something.
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And what's weird is some of the criticisms that Alex has about them are really strangely
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in line with those of Peter Gilmore, the current high priest of the Church of Satan.
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Alex feels that the Baphomet statue that they use as a prop in order to get rid of religious
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encroachment on state property is a monument to pedophilia, since there are children on
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each side of Baphomet, the goat man.
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Gilmore said the statue, quote, seems pedophilic, strange bedfellows, as they say.
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Alex Jones and the Church of Satan getting together.
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You know, it's nice to see that they can put aside all of their myriad differences and
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agree to call a lot of shit pedophilic without any information or care for the damage it
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might do.
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You would think that the people who were at the Church of Satan would be more sensitive
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about things that lead to satanic panic.
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You really do?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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You know what?
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We should be prosecuting Satanists.
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No, no, no, no.
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The ones over there.
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The poor ones.
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The poor.
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Nobody else will mistake the two of us.
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People don't react negatively to Satanists.
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The poor ones who are trying to protect minorities, those are the ones that are the best.
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Those are the ones who should prosecute.
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Yeah.
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Get rid of them.
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Seems to show true colors.
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So I'm left with the very strong sense that Alex is triggered by watching this documentary
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less because they are literal Satanists, because they aren't worshipping a literal Satan.
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He's more triggered by the idea that they make a very strong point of protecting the
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vulnerable in these populations that Alex sees as non-desirable.
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Yeah.
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Can you imagine how much pain Alex must have gone through listening to his arguments shot
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back at him whenever the cognitive dissonance in his brain exploded?
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That's where we are right now, because he's like, shit, they're saying the same stuff
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I'm saying, but they're right too.
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Fuck.
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No.
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God damn it.
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The only move forward is to heavily demonize and basically manifest a satanic panic in
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my audience.
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Exactly.
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That's the only way I'm going to spin out of this thing.
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All he's got.
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And that's what he does.
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It's all about killing babies after they're born.
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And they talk about how bad babies are and how we need to kill them and how they're scum
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and how we need to stop putting them up on a pedestal, how we need to trample babies.
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And I was in this theater with all these Austin liberals, all these weak men, like squirming
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and drinking their beer and getting off of it.
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And I looked at all the men and women, they were all ugly.
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The men were all super weak.
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The weakest of the weak, the ugliest of the ugliest.
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These are Satan's minions.
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These are Satan's servants.
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Yes.
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Knights in Satan's service.
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We have to bring God back into America.
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We have to do it now.
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So I mean, you see right there, you have the desire to push a satanic panic narrative and
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it ends with exactly what we've been talking about.
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This desire to bring God into controlling the state.
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It's definitely a good idea to have a theocracy right now.
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Right now is the perfect time for the theocracy.
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Especially when you're yelling about Islamic theocracy overseas.
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They're trying to put in Sharia law.
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We just need the Ten Commandments to rule our country, right?
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Definitely a different thing.
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We need Sharia.
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Sharia.
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Shri cool.
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Shri Kula.
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Shri Kula.
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Shri Kula.
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I don't know what that is, but it's something, it's something.
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There's something there.
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I don't know what's there.
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I just mentally transported to like a mad TV writer's room, but I'm like, we've got
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to crack this nut.
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We're Patton Oswalt in the 90s, just like, oh, I'm going to do some work on this.
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We're going to smoke and we're going to figure this out.
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We'll get to the bottom of it.
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We won't.
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Someone else will.
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Somebody.
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So you see that there and Alex continues doing this throughout the episode, getting more
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extreme with these ideas that are really just manifestations of his inability to deal with
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this satanic temple as an actual intelligent group that is intentionally doing these things
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for political reasons.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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They're going to do even more ugly threats, more fear.
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They're not coming for your children.
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They've already got your children in most cases.
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So we're going to break it all down.
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Coming up today.
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Very, very serious broadcast.
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Uh, yeah, so I mean like you see there, that's, that's exactly, he's this extreme as they
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already have your kids.
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Yeah.
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I need, I need some money.
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I, I need some money cause I wasted a bunch on booze at the Alamo Drafthouse last night
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cause I got so fucking depressed by this movie.
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I also bought a ticket to that movie for the Satanists and I need to recoup that.
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So buy some fucking secret 12 so I can make it up.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's so annoying.
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I hate that fucking that now they are killing babies after they're born.
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That's bullshit.
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That's, that's what Satanism is all about.
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Oh God.
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It's such like the anti-abortion people have already used all of their other shitty lies.
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So because we're in the situation that we are where you can just say any untrue thing
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and everybody's going to buy it or the people you like are going to buy it, you can just
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say, ah, they're killing babies.
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Two years from now they're going to be like, they're allowing abortion up to five years
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old and you're like, what, what are you talking about?
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I wonder, I wonder about how much that is like, uh, like we've had progression of argument
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A, B, C, D and now we're at like J. Yeah.
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I wonder how much is that and how much of it is like, uh, like cause I, I, the way you
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said that I heard it as like they retreated from these other arguments.
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I wonder how much of it is just like a escalation.
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That's what I was saying.
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This has always been the goal to get to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's what I meant.
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And then next step, uh, you know what else is killing babies?
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Birth control.
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That kills babies up to two years old because their moms had birth control when they were
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conceived or whatever.
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I mean, it's crazy.
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Like a lot of these, uh, same things were stupid ideas 20 years ago when I was listening
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to love line.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And they're still not fixed.
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Did you know condoms cause cancer?
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Great.
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So triple Cs.
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These Satanists have your kids.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and you need to give Alex money in order to get your kids back, I guess.
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In most situations.
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It makes you seem like a hostage.
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Not everybody has to, not everybody has to.
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Alex is the only one who can get your kids back from these Satanists and globalists,
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but you better fucking give him money or else he's not going to be able to do it.
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That's a threat.
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That's an important threat.
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I never thought about it that way.
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I believe he is very reminiscent of, uh, uh, uh, the movie ransom.
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He's like some sort of good guy who will only work for money, which makes him not a good
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guy.
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No.
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In his next clip, he talks about his enemies, these demons, these Satanists, um, and they
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want to be destroyed.
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So, uh, that's good.
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Oh, they secretly want to be destroyed.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Gotcha.
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But that's what these people do.
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And they always want to make it uglier and uglier and uglier and uglier because they're
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ugly at a spiritual level and they want to project their hate of themselves on to you
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and they want to make their behavior more and more outrageous like serial killers do
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so they get caught, so you stop them.
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They want you to stop them, Alex, and we are listening to you worry because God's going
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to stop them.
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When he does, he does ramble a little bit, uh, after this about, uh, some sort of like
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godly retribution, but it doesn't make it better because like what he's, what he's tapping
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into there is a, you can hurt them.
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Yeah.
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They want to be hurt.
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They're trying to get you to stop them.
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Yeah.
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I think Alex is talking about himself here.
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Well, you might be trying to rationalize beating up a Satanist.
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Maybe beat up a Satanist at that a movie.
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No, I mean, I think he's, I think he's now wants to be, he's in the stage of his career
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where he's like Facebook, just somebody actually stopped me.
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I'm losing so much money.
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I need to be stopped because I can't do it myself.
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Save me.
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Save me someone.
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Maybe.
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I mean, that's an interesting reading of it.
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I read it more as like justifying hurting people, uh, who you disagree with.
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Yeah.
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That's always a safe bet.
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And I think it's very possible that it's a six to one, half a dozen of the other because
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you know,
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That's a little flagellation going on right here.
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You can, uh, sort of embody a justification of hurting your political enemies and at the
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same time express, I am fucking out of control.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, maybe.
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Let's get off the Satanism topic, um, and he says this, uh, next thing, and, uh, this
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is wild.
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I'm going to get into a bunch of other issues next hour on Trump and his tax returns and
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what's really behind that.
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And Trump's noble moment, waving executive privilege on Mueller's report, something that
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no other president's ever done.
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So first thing he spent, he spends a long time on talking about Trump's taxes.
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And I don't really particularly care to talk about it because I don't think he knows what
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he's talking about.
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Absolutely.
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I don't think I fully know what he's talking about because I, you know, the idea of losing
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a lot of money when you're investing in things, I don't, I don't know enough to talk to coherently
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about it.
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Oh yeah.
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No.
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What are we, Jim Cramer over here?
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All right.
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All Alex is doing is talking about that report about how Trump lost a billion dollars and
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we could talk about that too.
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I don't really think that's a good use of our time.
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No.
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So I'm going to leave that alone.
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Now the part about executive privilege, Alex is directly lying.
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He's saying that Trump waived executive privilege about the Mueller report and that is a hundred
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percent not true.
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There was an article in the Hill from that morning, May 8th, quote, Trump declares executive
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privilege over Mueller report.
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The issue is that Congress wants the unredacted report so they can investigate the 10 instances
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that Mueller laid out about possible obstruction of justice.
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Possible?
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Interestingly, attorney general and cover up veteran William Barr has refused to provide
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them with the document, which has led the House Judiciary Committee to schedule a vote
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to hold Barr in contempt of Congress.
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Trump's administration made it clear that they were going to assert executive privilege
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if they didn't cancel or delay the contempt vote, basically trying to get them not to
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hold Barr responsible by saying, quote, even if you do that, you're not going to get your
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report.
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It honestly kind of feels like threatening to hurt a hostage to get your co-kidnapper
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out of a speeding ticket.
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Not a great metaphor, but it's what came to me.
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I'm going to stand by it.
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Okay.
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This threat didn't work.
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Barr was held in contempt of Congress, which for something that sounds so serious really
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doesn't mean anything, and Trump asserted his executive privilege, thereby debatably
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obstructing justice in the investigation into whether or not he previously obstructed justice.
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Nothing matters anymore and the government is a circus.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Finally, we got there.
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The only point here that's important is that Alex is literally saying that Trump waived
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his right to executive privilege, something no president has ever done before.
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Which is crazy.
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When literally the opposite is true.
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This is an over explicit example of him telling his audience that two plus two equals five,
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the very same thing he accuses his opponents in the media of doing all the time.
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Alex is directly lying to his audience, and that's not something that's new necessarily,
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but it's often not so brazen and direct as this.
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This is like something that is demonstrably like factually.
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You can find out what the truth is about this, and Alex is asserting the exact opposite of
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that.
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Right.
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I don't know on this one if he is maliciously lying or wrong stupidly, because what he could
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be thinking is that the simple fact that we have the Mueller report at all means that
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Trump had to have waived his executive privilege because he could have used his executive privilege
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to suppress the entire report.
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It's possible.
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I think that's what he's trying to say.
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It's possible that it is the result of a profoundly poor thinking.
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And I would accept that on almost any other day, but the fact that on May 8th it was in
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the news the discussion of the executive privilege vis-a-vis the Mueller report, it seems difficult
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for me just to think it was like him dumbly mis-asserting something or misunderstanding
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the actual Mueller report's redacted release.
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I kind of think it has to be...
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I don't know why, though.
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That's the only thing that leads me back to your stupidity possibility.
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Him asserting executive privilege over this isn't tough for Alex to spin.
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He could do that.
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He's supposed to assert executive...
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Alex, you just said that.
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That's what presidents...
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You know, Obama used to assert executive privilege all the time, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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You can fuck these globalists trying to jam them up.
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It's not a hard line to walk for him.
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No collusion, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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It seems to me very tough to figure out what the motive of lying directly and specifically
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about this is, but I don't know.
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Whatever the case is, he's telling his audience that reality isn't reality.
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Par for the course.
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Par for the course.
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So Alex has a big story, bigger than Satanism.
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Maybe not.
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Satanism's pretty fucking big.
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Satanism is worldwide.
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I'm shocked that we got through all that Satanism stuff.
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Because quickly, I thought that was going to take maybe a week.
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But Alex has another story here that I honestly think is profoundly disgraceful and it's dehumanizing
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in a new way.
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We already know what's going on internally because...
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At Facebook.
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I happen to have some intel here that ties into intel we already had and why they're
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trying to race and why they're going as fast as they can to have AI do all the censoring,
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but humans still have to oversee it because AI can't understand memes.
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Guess what I have here?
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Memes that I printed out.
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I always say I'm going to do something and I don't do it.
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You guys remind me.
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Star of the next hour.
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We'll have Dan Lyman on it.
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115.
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When he said Dan Lyman was coming up, I was like, thank God.
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Cakewalk.
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I'm not going to have to do shit.
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I have never been more wrong in my life and that's foreshadowing for later.
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That has nothing to do with this narrative.
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I don't know why I paused this clip.
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That's strange.
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From EuropeWars.com, the amazing developments there, I'm going to cover this at the star
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of the next hour and you're not going to, well, you are going to believe it.
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Okay.
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But do you know what's happening to the people that have to censor the show?
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Can you imagine?
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I was told this by executives and then I saw some news admitting it, but not saying my
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name and then this obviously breaks it down from PBS, SJWs that are made to watch my show
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to monitor it and censor it.
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Upwards of half of them are, quote, becoming programmed and brainwashed and then totally
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freaking out and then, quote, quote, they are grabbing them in these facilities and
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taking them to mental institutions.
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So the, yes, big tech is an actual cult, folks.
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So you heard him laughing about them being sent to...
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He's laughing about it?
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So that's fun.
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So this is a really good teachable moment, I believe, in our show.
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Sometimes these things pop up and I think that they're worth demonstrating explicitly
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what's going on.
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Alex is pretending that he has internal intelligence about what's going on at Facebook, but all
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he really has is something that he found on PBS.
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That's all he ever has.
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He has no inside information.
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He has no high level sources.
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He has publicly published articles that he covers and pretends matches intelligence that
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he's already received.
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Literally publicly funded publicly information.
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I've seen this play out way more times than I can even count on this show and we don't
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often stop to take a point of what he's doing.
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So one of the other things that's important to point out is that he says that this matches
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intelligence that we already got.
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I got this intelligence, this PBS thing, that matches intelligence that we already have.
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And that is a reference to the fact that the PBS article is just a transcript of an interview
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that they did with this guy named Casey Newton.
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And it's just a conversation about an article Casey had written about content moderators
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back in February.
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And the information that Alex said it matched up with is the article that Casey wrote in
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The Verge in February, which is the previous intel that Alex had that this PBS article
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matches up with because it's an interview with the writer of that article.
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I hate him.
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I hate him so much.
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So that is just to explain the process of how he pretends there's sources and things
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match up with intel.
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That is exactly what's going on here.
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The PBS article, I'm sorry, it's just a transcript of this interview.
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Not the conversation about the article.
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The article itself was published in The Verge and it covers the trauma that social media
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moderators are experiencing on the job.
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The article paints a horrifying picture of the working conditions at Cognizant, a company
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subcontracted by Facebook to moderate content.
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It's not the same company, but Casey in the interview does make a good point and I think
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it's pretty fair.
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That is to say, for all intents and purposes, they are Facebook employees in everything
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but name.
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Yeah.
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And I think that that's a fine line to draw.
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There's probably legal distinctions.
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Well, the government does that.
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Like FBI does security contractors for so much work that work in the same exact office
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as FBI employees and that whole thing.
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To say that they're Facebook employees is inaccurate, but it's...
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Functionally, they have to take the orders that Facebook gives them, so...
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It's a weird line.
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Workers have to evaluate a constant stream of bullying content, racist content, graphic
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videos of murders, and all manner of other deeply disturbing things that people post
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on Facebook and Instagram.
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The author of this piece talked to people who had experienced severe reactions from
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the work, from beginning to question the Holocaust to always carrying a gun even while sleeping
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due to threats from people whose content was being rejected, or at least fears of reprisals
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from people whose content had been censored.
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The problem is compounded by Cognizant being run in a manner that sounds exactly like an
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abusive factory.
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That doesn't surprise me.
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It's a Korean animation factory.
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Intense micromanagement of employees' time, what they can and can't do with their breaks,
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ineffectual counseling services being provided, and harsh productivity and accuracy expectations
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all add up to an incredibly hostile environment.
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Capitalism's great.
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Even if these people weren't being made to experience horrors as a part of their job.
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Employees describe the experience of talking to a coworker as, quote, trauma bonding.
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On bad days, employees would joke that it was time to, quote, go hang out on the roof,
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code for wanting to jump off it.
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One employee describes how he always loved cooking but now is afraid to be around knives
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because every time he sees one, he's reminded of a video he had to moderate where a man
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is stabbed to death and cries out for his mother as he dies.
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Holy fuck.
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And now he also believes a ton of terrorist attacks were false flags and wakes up every
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morning with a gun in hand and performs an armed sweep of his home.
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He was recently diagnosed with PTSD and began treatment.
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Quote, I'm fucked up, man.
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I don't think it's possible to do the job and not come out of it with some acute stress
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disorder or PTSD.
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This anecdote is the closest that anything in this article comes to what Alex is basing
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his almost gleeful reporting that, quote, basically half of the moderators are becoming
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brainwashed and freaking out and they're sending them to mental institutions.
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They didn't send this guy to a mental institution.
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He sought help because of the awfulness that he had to experience.
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They broadcast the Christchurch shooting for how long on Facebook Live?
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Imagine if you had to watch that every day.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe not.
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No, no, no.
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People are reposting it every day.
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Exactly.
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Because people do.
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Exactly.
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Every single day.
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To be fair, more nuanced interviews and things about this topic, they generally do make a
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point that the bulk of what they deal with is maybe a slur or bullying and that not the
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most of it is that sort of thing.
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But I would respond, who cares?
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Yeah.
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I would say enough of it is any of it.
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I can't imagine, I could never even come close to watching the Christchurch video.
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No.
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No.
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I could never even come close to it.
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Seeing people die once affects you.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't matter how much of a snowflake Alex might call you for that response.
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It's a response to your humanity.
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The article is about the human toll that comes from running content moderation in the same
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way companies run customer support call centers.
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It's a brutal job where people are expected to see awful things or they're exposed to
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awful things that make an impact on them no matter how sensitive they may be.
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The greatest indictment of this article is not on the people posting fucked up stuff.
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It's on Facebook and it's subcontracting companies for not doing a better job of taking care
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of their employees.
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They talk about how the idea that you can have these horrible reactions to the work
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that you're made to do but because the work is really awful and the place is run poorly,
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most people only end up working there for like eight months and then you leave and the
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consequences linger and a place where you worked for eight months isn't gonna pay for
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you to go get help.
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Nope.
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So these are the issues that are coming up in this article that it's pretty much a middle
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finger at these companies and the way they're doing business.
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Yeah.
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It has to be...
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It's very...
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He only exists in it, well, first of all, not at all specifically.
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It's mostly about like murder videos and stuff like that and then he only exists as a phantom
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as a byproduct of doing business.
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They don't even give a shit about the idea of him as some sort of monster or anything
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like that.
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It's about the companies.
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Yeah, no, they're basically predators.
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They grab people who need work and then they fucking throw them away.
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That's basically...
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Here's my job.
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I wake up, I get tortured all day and then I go home.
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Maybe not all day but most of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's what the article is about and there's a real human piece to it that I think is an
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important conversation we need to have and if Alex were willing to engage with that conversation,
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he'd be able to score points against Facebook if he was actually looking at what was being
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discussed but he's not.
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Well, they're exhibiting weakness which means he'd rather attack the people who are victims
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than predators.
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I mean, maybe, but I don't think he's even doing that.
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I think he's a monster because these are real people whose lives are being altered, not
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an opportunity for him to make everything about his perceived plight and score a cheap
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self-serving point for himself because that's what I think he's doing.
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He's trying to make this argument that...and he's going to get into it more later.
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He's using this story as kind of a rationale that he's right about things and that's the
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wrong way to look at this, I would say.
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Yeah.
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The interview Casey Newton did on PBS literally had nothing to do with Alex Jones.
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Alex never came up.
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The conversation was just a discussion of this investigative piece on the moderation
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factory.
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The only very tenuous connection is that the host of that interview, when introducing the
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segment, mentioned that a bunch of people were recently kicked off Facebook and Instagram
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and that's why there's a renewed conversation about Casey's article from February, basically
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just explaining why it makes sense for them to have this conversation now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that's the only...Alex is just making this about himself.
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Alex is just one of the people deplatformed that they obliquely mentioned up top.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, I just want to play this for you to understand that this is what...like
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we now kind of have an understanding of the article and the source material that he's
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talking about and here is how he talks about it.
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They're baker acting people at Facebook and at Twitter and other places that when they
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tell them I'm a Nazi and then they go watch years of my show, these people can absolutely
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finally find their soul and go, oh my God, Alex Jones didn't do any of this stuff.
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So that is the angle and the narrative that he's using.
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These people who are suffering these horrible consequences of being exposed to things like
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videos of people being shot and in addition to that, some racist and hateful content in
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written form and a lot of people, there is a tendency towards when you're not examining
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things that are being brought into your sphere, there is a tendency towards just automatic
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acceptance of them.
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When you're exposed to a conspiracy content on a bombarding basis, which this is set up
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to be, because there are quotas and you have an expectation of doing a ton of work, you
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will just be exposed to these ideas for a very brief amount of time.
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You won't be able to critically analyze them because you've got to get onto your next piece
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of content that you have to moderate.
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There is something that overrides your critical thinking skills and your ability to look into
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a claim that's made.
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So you'll just see Muslims want to kill everybody, Muslims want to kill everybody.
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And if you're not careful of your default, you could let your guard down and eventually
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buy into a lot of ideas that aren't true.
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So Alex is using that reality as they're exposed to my content and then they realize that I'm
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right about everything and then they're getting Baker acted and sentimental on institutions
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because shit isn't going the way that the SJW globalists wanted it to.
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They want to label me as some sort of an evil force, but everybody who sees me, they know
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that they're wrong and I'm right.
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Well, I'm living proof.
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I've been listening to you every day for two and a half years and I have not been Baker
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acted.
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No.
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I've not gone crazy necessarily, but I've also...
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You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're doing all right.
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There were some bad moments early on, but because I have the time to look into his claims
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and I have the time to deal with what he is actually saying and look into historical context,
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I listen to more of his show than anybody probably, and I come away with it with no
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indication that he's right about anything.
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So I'm living proof that that argument does not work.
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Yeah, because you're not a droog living in Clockwork Orange every day.
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I mean, if I had to like do 300 of these episodes, well, that'd be, that's insane.
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No, that's impossible.
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If I had the sort of time constraints of someone who worked in a place like the Cognizant office,
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I couldn't do this show the way that I do.
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And I think I probably would have had...
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Lost your mind.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Because imagine you didn't have any larger context and it was just short little clips
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of him saying something very confidently that's untrue, just bombarding you constantly over
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and over and over again, these short clips without context.
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And you're just, eventually it's going to infect your brain.
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Yep.
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Especially when it's slick, there's money behind it, the propaganda has a craft to it.
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It's very dangerous.
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And we're starting to understand that.
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I don't think that people really knew that that would be a by-product of the attempts
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to moderate content online, but at the same time, without those people who are doing this
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work...
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We'd have more people...
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We would have unusable social media platforms, basically, they would be destroyed by, well,
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videos of murders.
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Yeah.
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Imagine everywhere was 4chan.
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Right.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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It's a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.
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And so what actually this guy, Casey Newton, was arguing for is, or maybe not even arguing
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for, but suggesting one approach would be to treat these people who work in these centers
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the same way that you treat EMTs, and give them more benefits, give them higher pay,
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because...
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Have an in-house counselor, for God's sake.
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Well, they do, but apparently it's very ineffectual, and not available a lot of the time, and whatever.
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But yeah, absolutely.
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That mental health resource would be very important.
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Treat them like they're doing a service for society, because in many ways they are.
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Yeah.
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And I don't think there's much room to argue against that.
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No, I absolutely agree with you.
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And I think that Alex gets a lot of mileage out of turning it into being about himself,
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as opposed to it being about beheading videos and, you know, shootings.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, think every time you go on Facebook, it's because of a moderator that I'm maybe
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not seeing a murder right now.
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Or crying.
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Exactly.
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The article...
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Well, the argument, excuse me, is that Alex can make an argument when he makes it about
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himself.
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Because that's safe.
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You know, you'd be like, they're doing all this to attack me, might or dare.
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But he knows on some level that the argument, as it really stands, which is about horrors,
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he can't make that argument.
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He needs to make that argument if he wants this to be compelling and successful, but
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he can't.
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So he makes it about himself and, you know.
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Yeah, I mean, he might as well come out and be like, I used to watch Faces of Death before
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I went to sleep every night.
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I'm sure he did.
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You know, for sure.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, I think Alex kind of realized that that was a dead end and he didn't
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really want to get into it.
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He does get back into it a little bit later, like towards the end of the episode.
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You've got to get back into Satanists.
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Come on.
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You bet.
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Yeah!
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about how the Satanists are correct about one thing,
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and that is that God wants blood.
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Well, the bottom feeding, lowest of the low Satanists that worked with Hollywood and the
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real Satanists to produce Hell Satan.
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Hell Satan.
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Got one thing right in their film, and that's when Abraham is going to kill his own son,
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that God gave him to show total and complete loyalty, that it's God that does the killing
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and God that delivers the vengeance and God that demands blood.
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So he does...
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We should get a different God.
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I'm not a huge fan of his.
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His God is weird.
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Yeah.
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There is a thing that he says a little bit later, sort of, I think maybe trying to wiggle
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out of how extreme that sounds.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He wants blood of the good soldiers fighting the good fight.
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Sure, sure, sure, Alex.
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All right.
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All right.
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Whatever.
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He explains that he knows Satanism better than literal Satanists.
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That seems odd.
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These people would never get within a mile or never know about real Satanism or real
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Luciferianism.
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I have seen it.
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Now let's continue.
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Let's.
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Wait.
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Won't he just veer into a PowerPoint presentation?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Next slide.
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Yeah.
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I think that's weird.
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Certainly.
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Wait.
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He's talking about the satanic temple and comparing them to the actual Satanists, right?
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So what he's saying is.
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He wants his cake and to eat it too.
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Right.
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And he's saying that they're not real Luciferians.
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Well, he's saying that the people in the documentary are at the behest of Satan and they're working
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for literal Satan and worship literal Satan.
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But they're also the sucked dry minions of true Satanists who are rich people.
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God damn it.
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It takes a long time to get through his ideas.
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It does.
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I am tired.
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Well, in this next clip, I think he gets to talking about what the version of real Satanism
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looks like.
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Yeah.
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And it turns out.
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It's basically just sexual honey traps to the old Satanism model, the sexy, beautiful,
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voluptuous woman to lure in businessmen and powerful people and to really that's real
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Satanism cults.
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This is meant to be stunted, dead eyed, super weak and shown as powerful because they've
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already gotten the giant masses of leftists to be soulless and have no connection to God.
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And so they'll never know what hit them when the devil tells you at the start, we don't
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believe in the devil.
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We don't believe in God.
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Get rid of that actor.
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I do believe in devil.
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I'm God.
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I wrote in the title of this clip.
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This doesn't make sense.
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No, I really need to.
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What did he say again?
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I don't know.
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It has to do with tricking atheists into becoming Satanists because I don't fucking, who cares?
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Who cares?
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What are you talking about?
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The real Satanism is sexual busty women making honey traps for businessmen because I, Jordan,
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I have seen the devil's advocate.
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I have seen Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves and Charlize Theron and I know how the devil works.
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It's weird.
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It's kind of exactly like the devil's advocate.
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Isn't it basically the queen of the damned?
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It's nonsense.
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Jesus.
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So in this next clip, I think he expresses more the idea that I was putting forth that
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what he is responding to in these people in this Hail Satan documentary, which by the
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way, I should point out, it's Hail Satan question mark.
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Hail Satan.
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Hail Satan.
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Even in the title, there's a little bit of ambivalence, but I believe that what he's
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responding to in them is a resentment and an opposition to them because of their interest
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in equality.
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And I look at the people in this film and you can see they're gone.
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There's no one left there.
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Lowest of the low, lowest level, and this is who they will march out against you in
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the public schools.
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You think drag queen story time, remember the same people's bad?
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They are having Satanism clubs with your children, with them sitting on their laps right now.
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And that's what the bathroom, a statue with the children is all about bathomet destroying
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the next generation.
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And it's a celebration of the death of children.
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Yikes.
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The music behind that makes me want now.
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Now it is an insert like Patton's speech, the inspirational swelling music behind it.
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Just overlay it with what Alex said right there.
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See, I see it more visually what I see when I hear that is like a good, bad and the ugly.
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Like I see Alex drawing, like having a duel with the devil, like a literal fucking horn
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Satan to the 20 paces and turn.
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That's what I see.
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Now I want to do a hail Satan with a period and it's just about a cab driver named Satan.
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I think I'd love that.
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Satan.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That'd be wonderful.
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He could drive all kinds of interesting people around.
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I was trying to figure out a way to make that meat substitute.
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It'd be an indie movie like my dinner with Andre.
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Um, so what Alex is doing is really trying to drum up a satanic panic.
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Like that's really what he's doing.
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It's pretty overt.
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It's pretty gross.
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It's really, uh, it's dumb.
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It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be allowed.
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It's 2019 I maybe, maybe the satanic panic made more sense in the seventies when everybody
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was stupid and everybody was still coming off the high of the, you know, the whole thing.
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So Satanists is probably fine, but it's 2019, 50 years later.
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Come on, man.
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Well, Jordan, I have bad news for you.
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What?
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Um, first of all, you're stupid.
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Fair.
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Uh, the satanic panic was real.
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Okay.
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Uh, well, I mean, not, I mean, it was not in the sense that we understand it to have
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been real.
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Uh, it was actual demons and the devil.
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Well, then where have they been for the past?
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What?
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They've been hanging out.
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But we didn't talk about them for like 35 years or whatever.
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They were biding their time.
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They were hibernating.
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Okay.
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Uh, but here's the thing.
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They're like a cicadas dude, the satanic panic was real Satan demons really trying to get
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in the mix for sure.
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And Alex has one piece of evidence that he's going to present in this next clip of how
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real the satanic panic was.
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And man, this is bad evidence.
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Dungeons and Dragons.
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Oh, there was the big freak out of the 1980s about the Satanism invasion and Geraldo Rivera
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and all of it.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I was living during that period in one of the wealthiest areas
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of the country.
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And wherever you get around wealth, you find Satanism and the Satanist I knew had private
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jets and helicopters and Mark Dice had it happen.
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They were offering him a national TV show with a member of Motley Crue.
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The Motley Crue guy wasn't like this.
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He's actually a pretty good guy, director got Mark Dice in a meeting room and said,
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uh, you're a Christian, aren't you?
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Full name.
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He goes, yeah.
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He goes, yeah.
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Uh, well we're gonna give you this national TV show and all this money, but we want you
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to renounce Jesus Christ and we want you to worship Lucifer.
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Uh, cool.
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Mark says, this is a joke.
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The guy said, no, I want you to pray with me right now.
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And Mark said, are you just messing with me?
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He goes, no, I'm serious.
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I have 100% messing with you.
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You understand that folks?
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That didn't happen.
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Your story about like Satanism being real is that Mark Dice told you a story.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Also again, it must be so good to work for Alex when you can tell him stories like that
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and believe it.
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Here's what really happened.
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He didn't get the job, but you can't do that.
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You just got to tell him it was, it was Satanist.
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That's why I didn't take the job.
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A big part of your brand as a con man is not really having losses in your background.
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So every loss has to be recontextualized as a win.
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And so, yeah, you don't get this job.
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I mean, who knows?
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Show business is really fucking tough.
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You can be really talented and not get something.
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It's not, it's not a shame to you personally, or it shouldn't be.
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I mean, you should start worshiping Lucifer anyways.
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Well, I mean, that's implied, I think.
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That's the point of our show, right?
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So yeah, I mean, Mark Dice has to turn that around because it's a sign of weakness that
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you weren't, you know, he feels it's a projection of I'm not good enough to have gotten this
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show.
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So in reality, it was a situation where this guy told me I needed to worship Satan in order
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to get this TV show.
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And I said, no, because I have principles, bullshit.
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Mark though, I mean, you don't want to do, you don't want to do a show with a washed
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up Motley Crue member.
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Might not have been washed up.
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You don't know what year this was.
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Oh, okay.
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That's possible.
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Um, I don't know.
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I mean, like the timeframe would have to be really interesting too, because like Mark
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Dice has had a lot of fucking scams in his life.
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Like he used to be, he used to run like a memory, uh, scam, like improve your memory.
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That's fine.
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He also used to be a pickup artist scam guy before he really landed on the, uh, getting
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on ancient aliens and talking about Illuminati went by the code name, John Connor online
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for a while.
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He did not.
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He did.
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Don't even tell me that.
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He is a pile of shit.
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He is a nerd.
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He's been all over the place in terms of these scams.
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So I'd like to know when this happened in the chronology of it, because that would,
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that would probably be worth noting that I imagine this story only exists in service
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of his later career post-pikabartist prehistory channel somewhere in there.
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So lest you think that Alex was just implying that the satanic panic was real, uh, here
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you go.
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So they tell you there wasn't a satanic invasion in the eighties, which there was, but now
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we are taking over and we're going to overturn Christianity for free speech and this very
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satanic group is anti Alex Jones and doesn't think I should be on the air.
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They don't care.
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A lot of people are mad that they might overturn Roe v. Wade, but we should really be as scared
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of is if they overturned God be the devil.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Satanism is going to overturn Christianity.
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Such bullshit.
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First of all, it was a demonic invasion for sure.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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I mean, anybody who looks into it just a little bit, that was the like, Oh my God, fingerprints
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of demons every way.
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Haven't you seen the amazing Keanu Reeves movie Constantine?
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Haven't you seen the amazing Keanu Reeves movie, devil's advocate.
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Haven't you seen the amazing, nevermind.
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We could do this all day.
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A lot of movies about devils.
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Haven't you seen anything with Gabriel Byrne, so you might, you might wonder about the nature
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of the devil.
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Sure.
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In this next clip, I literally found this to be one of the more troubling clips I've
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ever heard Alex say.
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This is part one of the things that I find really disturbing.
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Okay.
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This is the first one.
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And then the next later in the episode, there'll be the one that I truly find disturbing.
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Okay.
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This is more just insane.
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This.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That's where Silicon Valley came from.
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It's where it all came from.
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Just like God said, the devil is a fallen ancient entity imprisoned on this planet.
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God did not say that.
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And is testing us and God allows that to happen because we have free will and the devil knows
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about a lot of ancient technology that God has built before, remain the image of God.
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And so the devil doesn't really know how to do it all.
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The devil comes to us and tells us what been done before.
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Sure.
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You're getting the big, deep stuff here, folks.
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What?
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This is the big, deep stuff, is that the devil is trapped on earth by God, which God told
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us.
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Right.
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And he knows a lot about the past and there have been a lot of ancient civilizations that
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have been highly technologically advanced, I guess.
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So he knows about those technologies, but he doesn't know how to build anything.
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So he can seduce people to create Silicon Valley with promises of this ancient technology
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that is actually futuristic to us.
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Right.
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God says all this.
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Okay.
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This is nuts.
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I'm glad you cleared that up for me.
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This is nuts.
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I'm good.
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I got it.
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I realize that the ultimate plan of the universe make perfect sense.
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When Alex says you're getting the big, deep stuff here, that's really upsetting because
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that means that on some level he's presenting this as information that he believes, but
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has held back.
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He doesn't want to give you all of it.
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This is stuff you got to work for.
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Right.
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That's fucked up.
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That's fucked up.
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Well, I mean, look, you don't want to just, look, if you come out on a first date and
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say that you believe we're locked into a struggle of good and evil and that the devil is somewhere
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entrapped underneath the earth because God did it for whatever reason he has, we have
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free will.
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Although that means he's not a Calvinist that we can rule out there.
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I suppose so.
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He's more of an Augustinian then, you know, you're not going to get a second date.
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You wait 24 years into your marriage to really get that one out there.
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Now, honey, I shall tell you.
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Do you know what I've been keeping in my backyard?
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Honey, the devil's in a hole.
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He gave me a calculator.
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Now I must build.
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All right.
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This is fucking stupid.
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So Alex believes that there are a lot of Satanists at democratic events or more accurately, the
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people who are at democratic events are Satanists.
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It depends on how you want to track the inference entirely, but I think he's going to say something
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really stupid here, but I think if you really listen to it, there's a better way to understand
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what he's saying.
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I'll talk about that on the other end.
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But remember, if you go to a democratic party event, the people look dazed, they look scared,
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they look soulless, they look like they're lost.
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And that's the high end.
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Half of them or the low side are crazed and screaming and shaking with hatred.
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And they believe that those of you who have the light of God in your eyes of the enemy
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and if they could simply extinguish that light, then they could finally have power.
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In their search for power, they have found the opposite of power.
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They found the dead space, the Phantom zone.
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And now their only wish is to take us with them.
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I would posit that I think that that clip is perfectly understood if you look through
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what he's saying as a defense of white supremacy.
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Okay.
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Because what he's talking about is people at liberal rallies, they are gone, the devil
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has taken over them because they're on a quest for power.
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Right.
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So if you understand that, you know, people who are at, let's say a Black Lives Matter
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rally that Alex seems to hate or the Woman's March, the versions of power that they're
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trying to take are more liberations from societal oppression.
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It's more about making things equitable than it is taking power over white straight male
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Christians.
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The contextualization of these calls for equality as being trying to take power over us, it's
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purely a defense of, you know, a system wherein straight white male Christians are seen as
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the de facto default thing that the society works for and where the power lies.
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I thought he was just criticizing Danny's turn into burning down...
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No, no, no fucking spoilers.
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No spoilers.
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I've seen it, but I don't know if the audience has.
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It's Daenerys, okay.
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Well, I think people can figure it out from there.
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Sorry if you were waiting, I don't know why you would be, but just in case.
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Well, Elizabeth Warren came out today against people who are mad about spoilers, so she
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once again is...
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Me and Elizabeth Warren are at loggerheads.
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I'm not mad about spoilers, but I like to, I don't want to, you know, people, I don't
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know who's listening.
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I understand.
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So I don't know.
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I don't think that my thought is too far off.
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Now obviously...
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No, I agree.
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I agree with you.
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But obviously...
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Outside of the facetious nature, I do agree with you.
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Obviously that's not what Alex is saying, but underneath what he's saying, the effect
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of what he's trying to communicate to his audience, the people he's trying to get them
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to not like, and the reason he's trying to get them to not like them, it tracks if you
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understand the code that he's using as being the defense of white defaultism or whatever.
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100%.
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He's a straight white male Christian, absolute...
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Supremacy.
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Well...
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there's room for, you know, semantic...
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At the very least he supports ethno-nationalism.
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There's room for semantic debate, but I'm going to leave it be.
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So he gets done talking about Satan for now.
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I bet it comes back up.
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But he's mad about Facebook and Instagram, kicking him off.
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Right, of course.
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I thought initially that that was what was really making him depressed at the beginning
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of the episode.
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And it might have been.
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It might have been a part of it, because he complains about how we need to break up Facebook
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and social media.
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Just like Teddy Roosevelt broke up the railroads, because there was a monopoly.
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And I can't tell you how excited I am about how this clip goes.
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Mike Down.
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You know, back in the days of... Teddy Roosevelt was a pretty good president.
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He said, the railroads won't let their competition pay to ship their own fruit or their own cattle
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when there's room?
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That's a monopoly.
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We're going to break that up.
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He told Northern Pacific and all of them, you're going to ship people's products.
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Or I'm going to have your ass arrested.
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That's a private business.
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They can do whatever they want.
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The big railroads advertise.
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They got open land.
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They got all the exemptions.
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They got liability protection to open up the West and have commerce.
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And then once they had the railroads coast to coast, they started saying, there's even
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like a gun smoke on it I saw once that's based on true stories where they want to ship the
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peaches a thousand miles and the kids' dads died of one from memory.
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The kids' dads died.
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Was it a gun smoke or was it a bonanza?
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Oh boy.
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I can't tell you how much I fucking love that.
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How?
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One, I say was it gun smoke or bonanza all the time.
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So many references.
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First thing I should probably tell you is just right off the top, the gun smoke and
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bonanza are not documentaries.
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The second thing that I should point out is that those are two of the most boring as shit.
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We're just trying to figure out how to make TV shows in this era, racist as hell programs
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ever to air.
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Gun smoke ran for 20 seasons, but it ended its run when Alex was one year old.
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Bonanza ran for 14 and was done before Alex was ever born.
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Man.
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Yeah.
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I mean, on the other hand, like somehow I can reference gun smoke and bonanza all too
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often.
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And it was, it was, it ended long before.
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I mean, sure.
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They ran in like reruns that bored the shit out of you as a kid.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Gun smoke was mostly a show about a law man being forced to make hard choices.
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Going over the list of episodes they put out, there's a curiously high incidence of plots
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of episodes surrounding white children who were raised by native Americans.
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Something that must've been a hot topic back in the fifties when the show was created.
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No.
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As much as I'd love to talk about bonanza a little, this was definitely a gun smoke
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episode that Alex is thinking of.
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He's referencing episode 472, which is less about a railroad monopoly as it is about corporate
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eminent domain.
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So Alex is kind of mixing topics up a little.
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You know what?
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He's close enough for peaches, as they say.
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That episode aired 51 years ago, so it's pretty relevant.
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I'm going to be the first to openly admit here, you know, I like to be very open and
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clear even when I have to admit that my research went astray and this is one of those cases.
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Later in the episode, actually in the next clip we're going to hear, Alex is going to
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make clear that he's talking about that episode 472, but before he did, I started trying to
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solve the mystery of what episode he was talking about.
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I came across an episode from season four called Monopoly, which had to do with a goods
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transporting business, so I figured it must be what he was talking about.
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In the end, it wasn't the right episode and I accept that.
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However, I did watch an episode of Gunsmoke in preparation for this episode, so there's
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no way I'm not going to not tell you about it.
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The episode was originally aired on October 4th, 1958.
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It's called Monopoly and truth be told, it has barely anything to do with a monopoly.
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Of course.
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I think that this is important, even though this isn't the right episode, to walk you
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through how Gunsmoke plots aren't about what they're about.
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If that makes sense, it will in a minute.
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Sheriff Matt Dillon comes to work one day to find a lovable local character sleeping
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off a wicked drinking binge in the town holding cell.
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The drunk wakes up and as he's leaving, Dillon gives him his gun back, which is almost certainly
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what Alex was referencing when he recently claimed that back in the 50s, the cops would
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give you your guns back when you got out of prison.
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Holy shit.
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Small clarification though.
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This show was made in the 1950s, but it's set in Dodge City, Kansas in the 1870s.
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That does sound right.
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Back in the 1870s in the old west, they gave you your gun back, but the show was made in
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the 50s, Alex's.
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What kind of racism would they be if it's set in the 1870s?
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What racism was there?
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Lots.
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All of them?
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Seems to be a real hard swing at Asians, Asian American immigrants.
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There seem to be a lot of episodes where they're dealt with as particularly weird, which makes
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me pretty uncomfortable.
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Deadwood.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The drunk has given his gun back and he apologizes for being so drunk the night before and says
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he only drank because he had just sold off his freighting business and so had pretty
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much all the other mule and wagon cargo people in town.
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The mysterious Mr. Ivy had come to town from St. Louis, as they insist on calling it every
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single time.
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They call it St. Louis.
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St. Louis.
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Oh boy.
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And he's buying up everyone's businesses.
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So Dillon goes to meet with Ivy at his lodging and he finds out that he's hired Cam Spiegel
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as his bodyguard.
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All right.
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I like me a good Cam Spiegel.
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Dillon and Spiegel have a history, you see.
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Of course.
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Spiegel had shot a man in the back years ago in Wichita and he got away with it because
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Dillon just didn't have the evidence to convict him.
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What?
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They cared about evidence in the 1860s in Wichita?
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Apparently they fucking did.
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Sure.
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So now Spiegel's come to Dodge City and he's working for Ivy.
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This doesn't look good, but Dillon doesn't really seem to care at all except to say to
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Ivy, hey, hiring this guy's bad news.
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It's going to be trouble, and then he leaves the hotel room.
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Oh, and then they just move on?
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Yeah.
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Okay, cool.
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Just basically gives him a warning of like, hey, by the time that he becomes a problem,
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it might be too late.
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That's basically all he does.
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There you go.
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So the last freight runner who hasn't sold out, a man by the name of Joe Trimble, he
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comes to Dillon because he's received a note from Ivy, but it turns out he's illiterate
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and needs Dillon to read it for him.
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Oh no, plot twist.
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Ivy wants to buy his company for $1,000, which even with inflation considered would only
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be a little bit less than $20,000 today.
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It's a nice little chunk of change, but if you're running a business that sustains you,
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it's not like that's going to be some kind of luxurious all be set for life money.
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Definitely not.
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Probably because that's not that much money, Trimble turns down the offer.
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Ivy later tells him that he's going to double his rates and that Trimble needs to as well
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because if he doesn't, his lower rates will cause a flood of demand that he can't handle.
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This doesn't make a lot of sense, but it doesn't matter because I have to stress, this is not
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a huge part of the episode.
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It's only there to be window dressing for the feud between Sheriff Matt Dillon and Cam
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Spiegel.
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Okay.
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Long story short, Cam Spiegel burns down Trimble's house, which kills Trimble's wife.
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Oh boy.
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He pays a saloon girl $300 to be his alibi.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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It takes a harsh turn.
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This is Roadhouse.
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It's crazy.
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This is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Is Patrick Swayze going to rip Spiegel's throat out?
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I have to stress that even with this craziness, this is still super boring as a TV show.
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So he pays this saloon girl $300.
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I used to fuck Dillon in prison.
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The saloon girl can't go for that shit because people around these parts love the Trimbles.
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Although IMDB tells me that this character only appeared in this episode, but that doesn't
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stop the actor who played him from appearing four more times as different characters on
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Gunsmoke.
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I love it.
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Gunsmoke was the law and order of its day.
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They wouldn't even allow five appearances by the same actor, I think.
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Either way, the saloon girl tells Dillon about the bribe and he's about to go confront Cam
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Spiegel about this when he gets news that Spiegel has shot Joe Trimble at the local
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saloon.
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Shot him dead.
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Again?
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Yes.
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Jesus.
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He's taken the Trimbles out one by one.
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Yeah.
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Dillon goes to check things out and Spiegel claims self-defense saying that Trimble had
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come in and drew his gun on him.
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Sure.
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And then Dillon says that Trimble had a good reason to draw on him since he had burned
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down his house and killed his wife.
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Spiegel says he has an alibi and Dillon tells him no, he knows about the bribe.
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Dillon tells him he's going to jail and he needs to lay his gun down and they'll let
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a court decide about the arson.
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Spiegel starts to draw on Dillon and Dillon shoots him dead.
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The town doctor, Doc, who's there, he comments, quote, it's just as well he probably would
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have won in court, which is a fucked up response to watching a cop kill a guy.
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Okay.
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Oh boy.
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It's been there all along, Dan.
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It's been there all along.
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That was such a crazy response to see.
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Well, probably would have been fine anyways.
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He would have gotten away with it.
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After all this drama, Ivy claims he knew nothing about Spiegel's actions and Dillon tells him
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that he needs to get the fuck out of town.
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The citizens of that town will kill him on sight because they love the Trimbles, who
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I repeat have not appeared in the previous 120 episodes of this show, nor in the 480
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episodes of its 11-year run as a radio drama, which I stress is about a small town.
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Ivy is terrified.
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He runs out the back door with his tail between his legs, never to be seen again, explicitly
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leaving behind the companies that he had bought on.
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Obviously, the first issue is that at no point in this episode does Matt Dillon care about
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the monopoly aspect of the business operation.
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The closest he comes to it is commenting that Ivy is an idiot since the shipping business
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isn't very profitable.
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She doesn't care about that stuff at all.
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He only cares about Cam Spiegel and righting the wrongs of Wichita.
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Okay.
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Hmm.
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It seems like they should have paid more.
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Wait.
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So he's just, he's missing the point of becoming a monopoly in the first place.
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So he's calling the guy stupid when the guy's buying up all these businesses to jack up
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the rates to make it more profitable.
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Right.
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God damn it.
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I am frustrated.
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I don't think these 1870s sheriffs were that smart.
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So that's somewhat implied by the subtext of the episode, but Matt Dillon doesn't give
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a fuck about that.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't care at all.
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I like that.
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Now, the natural problem that the ending of this episode introduces is now that with Dremble
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Dead and Ivy ran out of town, you go from an attempted monopoly to literally no one
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in the city having a transportation business.
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The people who got bought out aren't given the chance to buy their shit back from Ivy
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before he runs back to St. Louis.
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So if they take their mules and carts back, they're robbing him for the show ostensibly
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about the noble law man in the Old West.
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I see literally no indications of any respect for actual law.
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It's mostly just about duels and people being found guilty by insinuation and ran out of
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town.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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So it's exactly where Alex would get some of his ideas about reality from.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So again-
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And the way things should be.
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That's not the episode that Alex was talking about, but I didn't want my time to have been
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there.
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Absolutely not.
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It's very entertaining.
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And one of the other important things to point out is that Teddy Roosevelt and trust busting
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is a thing.
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It is real.
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And yet, Roosevelt directed the Justice Department to sue the Northern Securities Company, which
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had become a railroad monopoly.
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But it's an unhealthy thing to give him sole credit for busting the monopoly up because
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Congress was involved as well.
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It's inappropriate to look at the unitary executive ideas.
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No, it's always a good idea to look at the executive as being the prime mover behind
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all positive or negative.
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Well, I mean, Congress even said explicitly that the executive branch shouldn't be in
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the business of deciding what is or is not a monopoly.
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Yeah.
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So whatever.
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It's not under their purview.
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Also, it's true that Roosevelt was involved in this trust busting and shit, but it would
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be unfair to ignore that it wasn't his presidency that was the entirety of the Progressive Era
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and that more trusts were busted up during Taft's tenure in office than during Roosevelt's.
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So he doesn't get much of that credit because he was too fat and got stuck in a bathtub.
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Yeah.
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And that's all people remember.
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That's the way that people are going to give Taft credit for.
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Taft.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the Gunsmoke episode that he was talking about.
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But you read history books, that's all over the place.
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And then, you know, where they, Louis L'amour and others, you know, you've got those ideas
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that are in those Western books.
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They're fiction.
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None of that stuff's fiction.
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They've just gone and rewritten old newspaper articles, went and found the library.
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What?
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And want to ship your peaches.
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That old Western, I think his dad had died.
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His mom had died.
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He wanted to keep the little farm and the big local corrupt guy wanted to take it because
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it had water and holes on it or whatever.
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And then he goes to the railroad and makes a deal with them where they won't ship his
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peaches.
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There are similarities.
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Yeah.
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The thousand miles so he can make the money to save his farm.
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But in the end, he loads them up in a wagon, takes him a month or so to get there.
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The guy sends bandits to stop them, but they get stopped.
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And then when he gets there, he thinks all the peaches are dead and rotten.
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But under the first layer, all the peaches are alive.
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Pretty good story.
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What?
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The peaches are still not bad.
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They're still ripening.
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Those are real stories though.
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That isn't just Gunsmoker Bonanza that you're watching.
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That isn't just Gunsmoker Bonanza that you're sitting there looking at.
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This is the real world, folks.
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Nope, it's not.
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I was not able to find that episode of Gunsmoke because I was going to try and write the wrong
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songs of my bad research into the other episode, but it's not available online anywhere that
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I can find.
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But I did read a review of it and it's 100% about eminent domain.
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So if Alex wanted to talk about it that way, I think it's fine, but it doesn't really have
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to do with the monopolies and the idea of breaking up Facebook.
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So anyway, he gets off that topic.
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And I teased earlier, like I said, that first clip where Alex is talking about the devil
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being trapped on earth with ancient technologies.
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God said that.
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God told us that.
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That was where I was like, this is insane.
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This is troubling.
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This next clip I legitimately think is one of the more disturbed things I've ever heard
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Alex say.
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This clip is fucked up.
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If you think people are dumb and evil and stupid now, you haven't seen anything yet.
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If you think devil worshipers all over the news saying we're going to come to your school
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and talk to your kids, whether you like it or not is bad, and we're going to kill babies
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after they're born.
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If you think that's bad in 2019, Bubba, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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Because before the globalist can release the bio weapons, God has to remove his protection.
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The devil would nuke this planet in 10 seconds if God removed his protection and God is going
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to remove the protection, but for one hour, one hour, and we're going to be ready hunters
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anglers
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God's going to lift his protection for an hour.
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I'm riveted.
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I want to know what's going to happen next.
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Boom commercial shit.
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And he doesn't get back to it.
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That's upsetting.
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That's deeply upsetting hour.
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So the globalist devils, uh, they're going to nuke the planet, release race specific
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bio weapons.
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They would have done that already.
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They can't because of God's protection, but God for some reason is going to remove protection
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for an hour.
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He's got to take an hour.
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Everybody he's bigger than us.
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What does God give a shit about time?
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All right.
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On the clock, uh, 60 minutes.
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As someone who's omniscient and omnipotent, it sure seems like he would exist outside
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of time.
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It could be an hour.
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It could just be a minute.
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Like if it's nuking the planet or like the consequences of that are going to last way
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longer than an hour and the act of doing it would take a second.
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Why does that have to be an hour?
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This is arbitrary.
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It takes a while.
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What if you need to do it again?
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What if the first one misses?
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Also you just want to give yourself some wiggle room better safe than sorry.
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Deeply implied by that, uh, right where he got cut off by commercial is that he knows
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when that's going to happen and he's prepared.
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He is preparing for it.
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He's going to be ready for the hour is going to remove protection for an hour.
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Devil's attack.
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Alex prepared.
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Yeah.
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Totally cool.
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Yeah.
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That's disturbed.
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That is a very fucked up way of thinking.
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Yeah.
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If he believes that's true, I think we do need to call someone.
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Yeah.
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I mean it's, it's a level of, of untethered.
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You hear that and you're like, Ooh, yeah.
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We've heard a lot of crazy stuff before, but when you get to that level, it's like, yeah,
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we're, we're talking, we're talking different.
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Okay.
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You gotta, you gotta do something.
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God's protection ideas and stuff.
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You know, that, that line of thought definitely isn't foreign to us, but him coming out and
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saying God will release the protection for an hour and that's when we're going to get
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hit.
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Yeah.
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That is pretty, pretty fucked up.
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And also, that's new and fucked up.
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God's protection is the only thing keeping us from being nuked and hit by bio weapons,
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which implies that God can protect us.
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But isn't going to for that hour.
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Yeah.
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And also doesn't for the rest of the horrible things that go on right now.
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Yeah, that is implied.
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So, so God could be protecting us from everything, but he's only choosing nuclear weapons and
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bio weapons right now.
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People that Alex may or may not support who gas their people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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So now I, I, I, I, who I foreshadowed earlier in the episode that Dan Lyman was going to
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be coming in.
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And, uh, you thought you could cakewalk through it.
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Unfortunately I can't because his appearance has very harsh resonances to Alex Jones narratives
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that he's pushing in the present day.
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And he actually, uh, toes, dips his toe into a story that I started looking into and I
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found very interesting and it, uh, it requires unpacking.
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Uh, so here we go.
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Dan Lyman joins us, investigative journalist, Patriot, heads up, youreapwors.com and boy,
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there are a lot of articles that youreapwors.com that are exclusively there.
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Brussels buses to spend service to Nogo station, shouting malaria TB outbreak.
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So malaria TB that's really never been there, especially malaria.
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But now it's there just like all the diseases pouring over in the United States and the
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Ellis Island days.
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They checked everybody for a few months at least.
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Not now.
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Dan Lyman.
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Thanks for joining us from Europe.
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Oh no, immigrants bring disease again.
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God damn it.
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But this is so fucking awful.
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But the window dressing is interesting because he's talking about this bus station, the Garde
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du Nord in, uh, the North station, uh, in Brussels that has been, uh, closed.
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It hasn't been closed.
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There's a bus line that has stopped serving that station and going to another bus stop
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because of a lot of immigrant population there.
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Now in order to understand this story that Alex is telling on the show, it's essential
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to understand the surrounding context of it.
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I'm going to grant him that it is true.
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There is a story he's covering in a Belgian news outlet HLN that does discuss the plan
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to not have buses stop at the North station, the Garde du Nord, uh, quote, prompted by
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recent rumors that scabies, malaria and tuberculosis had broken out at the station.
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Now, as is always the case with Alex, there's more to this story than he cares to understand
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or report.
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There's a large population of itinerant immigrants or as they're called trans migrants who are
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for lack of a better word, stuck in Brussels.
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Many of them fled from various countries in turmoil, ultimately arriving in Europe, landing
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in Italy.
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They've then made their way North to Belgium, many of them finding it almost impossible
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to make the next step of their journey, which is getting to the UK where they feel that
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they would have less of a chance of being forcibly sent back to where they originated.
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For many of them, it's as simple of a problem as not having proper identification to make
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the trip, uh, often because they left it behind when they fled their home country.
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Because they fled.
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Right.
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They didn't just mosey on out of there.
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Right.
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Some others wish to stay in Belgium, but are afraid to apply for asylum after seeing many
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immigrants that they knew, uh, apply only to have them, uh, that put them on the government's
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radar for deportation.
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Under EU rules and specifically a rule called the Dublin rule, a country is not supposed
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to deport asylum seekers back to their home countries, but under the right circumstances,
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they're allowed to send them back to the first EU country they arrived in.
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For many of these immigrants in Belgium, that would be Italy.
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And there's a reason they didn't just stay in Italy.
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To quote a 25-year-old Sudanese man who spoke with the Financial Times, conditions in Italy
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are bad.
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Uh, quote, you stay in the camp and there is nothing.
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They don't want to risk applying for asylum only to be sent back to Italy where they'll
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be put in a camp.
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And they can't make the trip across the English Channel, so they're left in a weird in-between
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state stuck in Brussels.
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Human rights charities work with people, uh, uh, uh, and they found that once they're able
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to establish with a refugee, that they're exempt from the Dublin rule, because many
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are.
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Uh, many submit to the process and apply for asylum formally, which gives a positive indication
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about a direction forward there could be towards progress.
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Yeah.
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That's nice.
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But there are greater risks in being sent to an Italian camp, because even though they're
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not supposed to do so generally, sometimes refugees are deported back to the countries
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they left.
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And in 2017, that caused some real serious tensions to flare up after there were allegations
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that people who had been sent back to Sudan had been tortured when they returned.
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These people were sent, uh, despite warnings from international human rights groups and
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leaked notes from the government that indicated that they were aware that some of the people
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who were sent back were from the regions of Darfur, the Blue Nile, and South Kordofan,
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which made them automatic recipients of a protected status.
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The government's motivation seemed to be, quote, cleaning up public areas where stuck
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itinerant immigrants were congregating, places like Garde du Nord and Maximilien Park.
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So it's probably unclear off the bat here why there would be large populations of itinerant
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immigrants coming to this Garde du Nord.
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If you had to assume, I would guess that you probably just think that it's where the train
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disembarks, so they get off the train and then just stay there.
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But that's not true.
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Immigrants come to Garde du Nord specifically because it's an established humanitarian hub.
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Several non-governmental organizations have banded together to provide essential help
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to people trying to immigrate, many of them leaving war-torn areas and wanting a chance
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to start a new life.
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Doctors Without Borders, Oxfam, the Red Cross, and some more local organizations have established
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this center within the Garde du Nord as a place where immigrants can get help that no
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one else is providing.
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This ranges from psychological services, basic medical care, legal assistance, food, clothing,
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Wi-Fi, and electrical outlets that they can use to charge their phones.
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While all this help is definitely lifesaving, the psychological services aspect of this
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is really crucial.
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According to a psychologist who works at the humanitarian hub, he's seeing a trend of immigrants
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developing depression based on harsh disillusionment.
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Quote, they imagine Europe as the continent of human rights, but when they arrive here,
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they're completely disillusioned.
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They never imagined that they'd be sleeping outside in a state with a rule of law.
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So that's a little bit of a bummer.
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Yeah.
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It's a bummer, but it's also part and parcel of a reality that there are these people who
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are providing this help.
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And that's why there are large groups of immigrants that congregate.
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They turned Garde du Nord into almost like a strip mall of lifesaving.
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So, I mean, I don't think it's the full station, but yeah, there is a part of it that is this
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lifesaving thing.
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And then there are other good things to mention, positive things.
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A volunteer organization called BXL Refugees launched a movement in September 2017 urging
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people to open their homes to refugees who found themselves in the impossible situation
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they're in.
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When they began, they were only able to find 10 families willing to house a stranger in
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need, but by 2018, the number had swelled to over 3,000 families opening up their spare
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rooms.
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One family, the Gillises, have opened their home to two refugees in need.
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One of them speaking to Euronews said, quote, this family in Brussels is very, very good.
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People in Belgium are very kind.
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They love everyone, and we return that feeling.
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These people have welcomed us.
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I don't have any problem in submitting application for asylum here.
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There are many good-hearted people who are going out of their way to do something to
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help mitigate the problem, and that is a very inspiring sign.
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But, as we've learned so well on this podcast, any time there's something inspiring, there's
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something equally depressing hanging over us like a sword of Damocles, waiting to dash
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any kind of optimism we may have.
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Yeah, go ahead and hit it.
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Since 2010, as nationalism began to sound pretty good to people again, the political
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situation in Belgium has been moving pretty far to the right.
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The Flemish Nationalist Party, the New Flemish Alliance, has made major strides.
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And in 2014, they became the largest party in the Chamber of Representatives and in the
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Senate.
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The New Flemish Alliance sucks.
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And their leader, Bart de Wever, has been pretty clear in his harsh stance towards itinerant
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immigrants, proposing prosecuting them and seizing their cell phones to send the message
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that, quote, Belgium is not the place to be.
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In a good news, bad news situation, the New Flemish Alliance lost a bit of power in 2018
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when they left the ruling coalition that they were a part of, which included the prime ministership.
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That's the good news.
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The bad news is that they left the ruling...
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Do you tear one there too?
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No.
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The bad news is that they left the ruling alliance because Prime Minister Charles Michel
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refused the New Flemish Alliance's demand that he rescind his plan to sign a non-binding
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UN migration agreement.
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All UN member states other than the US have signed it.
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And because Michel decided to sign, the NVA, which is their initials in Flemish, pulled
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out of his government.
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This is a bad sign because they're still the largest political party in the Senate and
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Chamber of Representatives.
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So when they're leaving the ruling coalition in an effort to be more xenophobic and push
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further hard-right, it's concerning.
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And one of the reasons that they need to do this sort of thing is to hold on to their
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far-right base, which is starting to be eroded by an even more fucked up Flemish nationalist
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party, Vlaams Belong.
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Hard-right Flemish nationalist parties are starting from an unfair disadvantage, I would
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say.
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And that is that their movement traces its roots to the post-World War I world, when
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a party representing their interests emerged called the Front Party.
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While the party may have been started with Flemish representation as a...
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The Front Party?
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Mm-hmm.
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Are we gonna...
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Oh, boy.
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They may have started with an interest in Flemish representation as being their primary
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concern.
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By the early 1930s, it had pushed pretty far right and had been absorbed by the Flemish
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National Union, an explicitly authoritarian party that were overt collaborators with the
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Nazis in World War II, because Hitler had promised them greater Flemish rights.
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It deserves mention that VNV, that's their initials, the Flemish National Union, VLV
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leader Steph de Kerk was collaborating with the Nazis before they invaded Belgium, with
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the hopes that they could help him come to power, which led directly to his party helping
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organize the deportation of Jews to the camps.
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So you can see how that history gives people a little bit of hesitance about hard-right
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nationalist...
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Flemish nationalist parties.
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After the liberation of Belgium by the Allied powers, the VNV was outlawed as a political
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party for fairly obvious reasons.
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This led to the rise of the Christian Flemish People's Union, which worked to make sure
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that they were nationalists, but also didn't put anyone in office who had collaborated
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with the Nazis.
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That was nice of them.
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That was nice of them, at least.
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It's an interesting proposition.
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Jesus Christ.
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Do you know what?
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That's...
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Even the NRA hired Oliver North.
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They're better than we are.
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Oliver...
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They didn't hire him.
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He's their leader.
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Right.
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So that was an attempt that they made, but this led to the group being nationalist in
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nature, but also fairly moderate left in politics.
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So a lot of folks jumped ship and created new radical options.
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Oh, surprise.
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Which would eventually be merged into the Vlambsbloc.
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Vlambsbloc was a very specifically anti-immigrant, far hard-right nationalist party.
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Their slogan in the 1987 election was, quote, own people first, which sounds really bad
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when translated.
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Oh, boy, that doesn't sound bad.
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Since it's easy to read the word own as a verb.
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Right, right, right.
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We're going with our own people first.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But translation is tough.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The translation might actually be more accurate.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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The party found increased success with focusing on immigration issues as opposed to harping
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too hard on Flemish separatism, in the same way that our right wing may profess an interest
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in small government, but riling people up about nativist resentment and populist bullshit
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is way more effective as an electoral strategy.
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And it worked well for Vlambsbloc, growing from relative obscurity in the 80s to a very
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serious political party by the late 1990s.
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And then the year 2000 happened.
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A complaint was filed against the party claiming that they broke Belgium's anti-racism laws
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in their party's stated platform.
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We hate everyone based on race.
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At issue was that they had called for an entirely separate educational system for foreign children,
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new taxes for businesses that hired non-European foreigners, and restricting benefits for non-European
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foreigners.
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The case bounced around courts until 2004 when the Belgian High Court, the Court of
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Cassation, ruled that their party platform was indeed racist and effectively disbanded
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the party by taking away their state funding and banning them from being on television.
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I bet they took that well, put their tails between their legs, and just moved on, right?
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No, they did.
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They had to.
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They had to.
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They were dissolved.
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If they had any relevancy, if they were banned from television and the state funding of elections,
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if they don't have access to that money, they're fucked.
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So they dissolved.
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And then they reorganized.
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That's what I was saying.
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Of course they, yeah, they dissolved that party and then they were like, cool, now we're
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going to groundhog into some other fucking...
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They reorganized in 2004 as Vlambsbelong, which is now the party that is challenging
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the New Flemish Alliance from the right.
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So you can kind of see how this all fits together a little bit better now, this situation that
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they find themselves in.
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We want to cage immigrants.
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Whoa, whoa, you are not going far enough.
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We want to kill them.
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Hey!
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That's an interesting conversation of ideas.
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One of the members of the New Flemish Alliance that left the Michelle government was their
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migration minister, Theo Franken, who incidentally was the one responsible for sending protected
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refugees back to the Sudan to be tortured.
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Now before he left the Michelle government, Franken actually had a bit of a hand to play
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in making sure that the issue of Garde du Nord in Brussels was not taken care of.
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His New Flemish Alliance has a hard right position on immigration and wishes to punish
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or deport these people, not to help them.
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And in the recent years, he's had groups like Vlambsbelong happy to be even further right
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and more shitty than him to make sure that he's not able to give an inch.
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Because if he does, they start attacking him from the right.
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It's a terrible situation.
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The party with the most members in Brussels' parliament, the local government in Brussels,
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is the socialist party.
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And a large majority of the members of that body are not hard-rate nationalists.
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Most of them are liberal.
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Members of the Brussels parliament have tried to do what they can to alleviate what is legitimately
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a humanitarian crisis for these transmigrants, but they've been pretty vocal that they can't
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solve any problems without federal government cooperation.
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There's collaboration that needs to be done.
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To that complaint and request, New Flemish Alliance migration minister Theo Franken said
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they can, quote, count on zero euros.
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I've always been against this migration hub that Brussels apparently wants to be.
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If Brussels wants to be a kind of safe haven for illegal transmigrants, they should go
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ahead, but not at the expense of the federal government.
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He doesn't give a shit.
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Folks like this only care about humanitarian issues like this when they escalate to the
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point where they feel that they can rationalize dealing with their problem through violence.
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And so the problem has been allowed to fester.
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So I know this has been long, but I think it's really important to understand the forces
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at play when we see a situation that's being lied about by right-wing propagandists in
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our country.
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We live in a place where most of us are incredibly unaware about Belgian politics and the day-to-day
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of this sort of stuff, so it becomes something that's easy to manipulate people about.
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Foreign events are often the most fertile soil for local propagandists because the disconnect
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involved and the almost guaranteed ignorance of the topic in your listener.
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This is why Alex loves to trot out crime statistics from the UK and Sweden and lie about them,
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knowing that his audience won't look deep enough into them to understand the context
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behind the data.
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And the same is true, the situation here at the Garde du Nord in Brussels that he's talking
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about.
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So all this situation is...you can see kind of the forces at play and all that.
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But at the same time, from what I've been able to sort out from the reporting I've read,
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I can't contest the fact that buses are saying that they are going to stop servicing the
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station.
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That does appear to be factually accurate.
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However, it should be pointed out that it's not the government that's behind stopping
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the bus services, it's the trade union.
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The union that represents transportation employees decided that they weren't going to be stopping
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at the underground bus terminal there, instead rerouting to nearby stops.
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In an article in the Brussels Times, it makes it explicitly clear that the concerns about
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scabies and TB are rumors and that there's literally no evidence of either disease.
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And Delaine, the group that runs the buses, and the Federal Public Health Ministry have
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said that this amounts basically just to unfounded rumors.
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The real issue comes down to complaints from customers about the smell, the litter, and
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being hit up by transmigrants for change.
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There's a climate where people don't feel safe.
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And when unfounded disease rumors appeared, it was enough justification for the transportation
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trade unions to act.
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Unfortunately, the place that they've reroded the buses to, Roger Square, is in neighboring
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St. Joss, whose mayor, Amir Keir, is not happy about the mobility problems that the increased
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traffic has brought with it.
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So he's seeking to stop the buses from stopping in his city, saying in a press release, quote,
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it is incomprehensible and unacceptable for the federal government to abandon a place
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as important as the Garde du Nord.
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I call on all parties involved to find a sustainable and worthy solution for everyone.
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So I'm not entirely sure exactly what's going on, but this seems kind of like a good strategy,
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and it might be effective in getting the federal government to act.
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The idea of, like, we've reroded these buses here, no, you're not, maybe that'll force
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their hand.
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I'm not entirely sure, but time will tell.
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The reality of the situation in Brussels is incredibly complicated, but could be helped
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immensely by a government that was willing to do what it needed to do to help people
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in a crisis.
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A huge step forward would be removing the fear that many of these refugees have of applying
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for Belgian asylum.
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If they knew that it wouldn't result in them being sent back to a country where they might
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face torture or death, or back to a camp in Italy, it could go a long way to getting them
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back on their feet.
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Removal of that threat could be a big step forward.
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It would be nice if the state could help with getting those who wanted to apply for asylum
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in the UK, helping them facilitate that.
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For instance, like a lot of them want to because they have family there, but it seems unlikely
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that they would do that since it would be decried by anti-immigrant politicians there
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and turn into a huge headache.
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The UK would lose their fucking mind.
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It doesn't seem realistic-
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They're already losing their mind.
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It doesn't seem realistic that Belgium would help the immigrants get to their final destination
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in the UK, if only for that reason.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that was all a lot, but you can see that this is a complex story.
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Oh, sorry, also, I should point out, adding to the complexity, it's not just itinerant
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immigrants that are there at the station.
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It's also homeless Belgian citizens.
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Of course.
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There's a larger issue here than just immigration, and Alex refuses to look at any of it.
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When you really look at what's going on, the hard-right nationalists are not the good guys
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in this story.
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What?
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When you hear Alex's coverage of it, what does he say?
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He hits the points that are convenient to his narratives.
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He pulls out that there's a disease angle and an immigrants angle.
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Since he's been working to push the immigrants are causing the measles outbreak narrative
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in recent weeks.
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That's all he really cares about, is that the story seems to fit with his narratives.
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He's a monster, pushing rhetoric that will serve to demonize a population.
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There's literally no excuse for behaving like this.
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There's even less of an excuse for someone to fucking think that people were routinely
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kept for months at Ellis Island.
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So now...
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Yeah, we already talked about that one.
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We did, but just because this bothers me, I want to talk a little bit more about Ellis
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Island.
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Okay.
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I want to read to you a little bit about Ellis Island and their medical screenings, because
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we didn't get specifically into that too much.
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Sure.
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This is from an article in the American Medical Association Journal of Ethics.
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Quote, the diagnostic protocol emphasized the physician's gaze, demonstrating the conviction
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that disease was written on the body.
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Dr. Albert Newt argued that, quote, almost no grave organic disease can have hold on
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an individual without stamping some evidence of its presence upon the appearance of a patient,
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evident to the eye or hand of a trained observer.
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Dr. Stupid.
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So you understand, they basically relied almost entirely on looking at people.
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Hey, hey, look over here.
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You look good.
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Get on in there, you scamp.
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And then when they saw something that looked bad, they made a chalk mark.
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And so, quote, officers immediately transferred those bearing chalk marks, typically 15 to
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20% of the arrivals, to either the physical or mental examination rooms.
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Of all the people who are found to be sick, this is not a quote, this is me talking here.
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Of all the people who are found to be sick, which is just that small percentage, 15 to
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20%, quote, some were confined often for months and sometimes years in the isolation units
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in the southernmost wing of Ellis Island.
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So now...
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For years?
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Very few of them.
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It was a very small amount.
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Yeah, but that's crazy.
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But a lot of it was under medical care.
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Oh, okay.
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That's also for people with chronic or severe conditions.
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Right.
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So it's a very, very small number of people who came in.
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A number of people who had, you know, less severe conditions might be held for a week
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and it would pass.
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Yeah, of course.
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But they'd be held in these cells and they wouldn't apply for hospital treatment because
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they knew that they would have to pay for it themselves.
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And ultimately, most of the people who were treated for diseases at Ellis Island were
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deported not because they were sick, but because they couldn't pay for their own hospitalization.
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So a lot of the people that Alex is referring to...
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America.
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The people that Alex is referring to, the very small number of people who were held
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for possibly months...
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Were just poor.
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Well, I mean, they ended up getting deported because they were poor, but they ended up
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getting deported because they applied for hospitalization and then couldn't pay for
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it once they were fine.
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I find this passage particularly important to remember.
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Quote, of those who were denied entry, most were certified not with loathsome or dangerous
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contagious diseases, but with conditions that limited their capacity to perform unskilled
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labor.
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The criminality, old age, varicose veins, hernias, poor vision, and deformities of limbs
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or spine were among the primary causes for exclusion.
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That so few of the more than 25 million arriving immigrants inspected by the PHS were excluded
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sets into bold relief the country's almost insatiable industrial demand for cheap labor.
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Of course, even though this was the case at Ellis Island where a vast majority of people
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arriving were European, it should be noted that, quote, non-Europeans faced more considerable
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medical obstacles to entry at the nation's Pacific Coast and Mexican border during immigration
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stations.
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At Texas border stations, PHS medical inspectors stripped, showered, disinfected, searched
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for lice, and physically examined large groups of immigrants.
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All second and third class Asian immigrants arriving in San Francisco endured a physical
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exam similar to that conducted along the Mexican border in addition to routine laboratory testing
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for parasitic infection, which required detention on Angel Island for one or two days.
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Disease health officials argued was not easily read in the inscrutable Asians, particularly
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the Chinese.
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So you see a little bit of a...
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It's always interesting when you go back to the old racism, like the real old shit.
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They're inscrutable.
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Yeah, that's when you're like, damn, you guys were not...
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Because they were racist, they were awfully racist, but in such a ridiculously ignorant
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way.
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Just like, they look different for me and I have no idea what that looks like.
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So you're sick or you're fine, I don't know.
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My magical medical vision can't read your Asian face.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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It's fucked up.
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Jesus.
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So it wasn't until the Immigration Act of 1924 that things started to change.
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We set up a visa system where American consular offices in other countries would grant visas
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to people before they embarked on their journey here.
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This was specifically to cut off the flow of immigrants from, quote, undesirable Southern
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and Eastern European nations.
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Weirdly, under the system, between 1926 and 1930, almost 5% of immigrants were refused
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visas for medical reasons, whereas during the days of Ellis Island since 1891, the rate
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had been around 1% turned away for medical reasons, approximately 2% turned away, period.
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The immigration system has always been a backbone of racism and exploitative capitalism.
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Medical rules have always been a tool of that exclusion.
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Before 1924, of those who wouldn't be good, cheap labor, and after 1924, of ethnicities
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we didn't want here.
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To pretend Alex's position is based on some kind of concern for public health is ludicrous.
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He is merely a more overtly racist grandchild of this same system.
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So that's my point about this.
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It's so much like you think all of these hard-right guys right now, if we didn't have a system
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of automation, would be like, hey, we need to get rid of their rights, but I mean, come
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on in.
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Come on in.
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We need you to do the factory stuff.
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Get on in here.
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Let's have a great time.
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Totally.
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It would be a whole different conversation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because they need it.
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So you may have forgotten, but we're talking about a train station in Belgium.
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Sure.
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Sure we are, Dan.
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But we're talking about so much more than one train station in Belgium.
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I think we are.
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Alex is specifically talking about that one train station in Belgium.
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Yes.
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But he's also talking about more, I guess, because he's trying to apply it to his narratives
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about immigrants bringing measles here and causing outbreaks.
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Right.
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God, I hate him so much for-
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He's the worst, man.
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For causing, for helping to cause a measles outbreak and then blaming it.
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Scapegoating, man.
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It's crazy.
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And then blaming it on immigrants.
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That's so fucking evil.
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It's dirty.
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It's so evil.
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So I agree.
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I agree.
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I'm kind of now getting the sense of why I could only cover the eighth.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's these sorts of things that pop up.
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Yeah.
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It's like, we want to... You start the episode, Alex is depressed, and then he starts yelling
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about Satan.
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It's like, well, I guess this might be-
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Guess that's what's going to happen.
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This might be a short one.
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Yeah.
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And then before you know it, I'm reading fucking pages and pages about Belgian political parties.
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And here we are.
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And here we are.
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My man Lyman brings up a new story about this guardian Nord, and he's misrepresenting things
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a little bit.
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No.
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Would you believe it?
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No.
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My man Lyman?
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Just comes out today, just after we published that story, that the cleaning staff that work
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at this train station are now going to be vaccinated for a variety of different diseases,
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including a variety of hepatitis strains.
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And so they're also downplaying this one and saying, oh, there's nobody that's been infected.
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We're just doing this as a precautionary measure.
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But I think that this ties into the larger situation.
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We have this measles outbreak that's just exploding across the US.
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See, he's even making it explicit.
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Can't you just believe that it is a precautionary measure?
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I don't know.
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Can't you just do that?
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Can't you just do that one time?
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Maybe.
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Just be like, oh, are they vaccinating people before they get diseases?
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That's very smart.
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So the first thing that's super important here is that you see the intention of covering
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the story crystal clear.
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Oh boy, is it too obvious.
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He weaves from this Belgian bus station to US measles at the end of that clip.
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It's very clear that this is only in service of bolstering that argument.
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Look, the Belgians are doing it.
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We should get rid of them too.
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This is what the story is about to these people like Alex and Dan Lyman.
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Fuck the details.
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God damn it.
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Second thing, the article that he's using as a source for this is from the Brussels
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Times and it doesn't involve local officials downplaying anything.
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It involves news organizations quoting public health organizations that are on the ground
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and actually know the facts saying, quote, the measures are only preventative as there
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have been no reports of contamination among the personnel.
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That's not downplaying.
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That's straight reporting of the fact.
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Is he trying to insinuate that there actually has been contaminations of the staff?
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Yes.
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Because it sure as shit seems like it.
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It is what he is insinuating.
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But he has no data to back that up, no source, no information.
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Why would you?
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It's just a combative mindset where the default position of anything that doesn't fit the
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narrative must secretly be a cover up.
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This mentality is incredibly dangerous, especially when it's being wielded to perpetuate these
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sorts of dehumanization narratives because it's based on nothing.
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But idiots think that he has some reason to suggest this is downplaying.
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Third thing, Dan Lyman is completely misrepresenting his primary source, this Brussels Times article.
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If you read it, it clearly says, quote, around 10 workers are concerned and will be vaccinated
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against hepatitis A and B. Oh, it's not even like a policy.
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It's just a few of them got together and they were like, this would be smart.
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Nope.
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Yep.
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God, I hate everybody.
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If you take the hyperlink that that is referencing, it takes you to an article in the Le Dernière
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Heuer, which is a French paper out of Belgium, where you learn that around 10 means 12, and
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that their primary concern isn't with the transmission of sicknesses that Alex and Lyman
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are trying to scare you about.
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It's about fecal transmitted diseases like hepatitis that could be a risk to cleaning
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crews.
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Also super important.
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Oh my God, I hate everyone.
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Also super important to point out that you immediately caught is that the whole staff
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isn't getting these vaccines.
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It's done by 12 employees request to themselves.
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I hate everyone.
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This is crucially important.
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I am rooting for climate change.
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This is crucially important.
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These people, Alex and Lyman, these people like them, these propagandists, they cherry
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pick their information in an abusive fashion because they are not journalists.
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They're cruel propagandists whose current primary objective is implanting and solidifying
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in their audience's mind that people who aren't from where you are from should be suspected
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of being transmitters of infectious diseases.
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They're basically biological weapons being used by the Democrats who want them to get
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in specifically to get you sick.
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This is repulsive stuff, and the fact that they can engage in this kind of talk so flippantly
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is legitimately terrifying to me because how do they not understand that this is what they're
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doing?
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I don't understand.
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It's so much like the creation of the border between India and Pakistan, where it's almost
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like this propaganda just built up and then overnight your neighbor now became your suspect.
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Just like the next day you're like, uh-oh, this dude might be a disease carrier.
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Just not even realizing that you're one step away from fucking total eradication.
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It would be like the Stanford Prison Experiment if that wasn't discredited.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So they talk some more about just trying to make you afraid of immigrants because that's
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the game.
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And Alex asks Dan Lyman to talk about no-go zones, and immediately Dan Lyman kind of proves
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that they don't exist accidentally.
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Giant no-go zones everywhere.
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Just a few years ago, Dan, they denied the no-go zones.
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Tell folks that don't know what a no-go zone is.
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Yeah, I've been in them myself.
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Really?
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Well, they're no longer no-go zones.
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Really?
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You've been inside a no-go zone?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Who would let you in?
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Who?
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So they talk a bit about the no-go zones, which I think it's testament to that term
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meaning nothing if you're saying I've been in them.
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So here's a little bit of-
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But it was before it became a no-go zone.
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It was Denny's, actually.
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Sure.
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Here's a little conversation about no-go zones, which is real fun.
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Just to give people an idea, I mean, you go into these areas, yes, technically you can
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go into them.
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You're not allowed to go into them.
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But you do risk anything from a robbery to your own life depending on how bad the zone
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is and how fearful the police are of going in them.
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I've been in them in Paris.
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I've been in them in Hamburg, Germany.
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I've been in them in Italy last year during one of our reports.
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And these areas are basically areas where the police won't go or they're afraid to go
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or they're just afraid to enforce the law.
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And I would say that at this point there are areas of places like Portland, Oregon, which
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are also becoming lawless areas because of people like Antifa, who are just basically
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they're running the show there.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we don't have time to-
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I hate you.
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I hate you for making me listen to a man say that.
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I don't have the time to get into why that's so stupid, the idea of Portland being run
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by Antifa.
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If you look into the police situation there, just go do some reading.
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Hey, no, the Pacific Northwest has a long and wonderful history of being accepted.
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It's probably a topic that we will deal with in a future show, but it's too big for now.
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But in terms of these no-go zone things, this is a fun game that these assholes get to play.
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They get to come up with terms like no-go zone, and they never really define what it
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means.
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Or you could hear in what Lyman's talking there, he's talking about it in just vague
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enough of terms.
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It's a place where police aren't really interested in going, and nobody enforces the law there
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except for Antifa, which suggests that there is still a law and it is still being enforced.
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So with their audience hears them talk about it, a no-go zone, generally, this is one of
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the first times, well, maybe not the first times, but one of the first times on Alex's
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show, perhaps, that the term has been applied to an Antifa area.
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It's pretty much exclusively used to demonize Muslims.
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But their audience gets the message that they're trying to get across, namely that there's
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areas in these cities where Muslims have completely taken over.
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They operate under Sharia law, non-Muslims aren't welcome to enter, and the cops are
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afraid to come in at all because the Muslim Sharia law is more powerful than their absurdly
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overpowered police power.
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In reality, what these fucking asshole right-wing piles of shit are describing is predominantly
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minority neighborhoods where they feel uncomfortable.
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What?
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No, no, no, no, it's a no-go zone, Dan.
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They're telling me that I can't go there.
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It's not that whenever I go there, I feel like I'm not the dominant person.
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You'll notice that Dan Lyman is not being specific about these areas he's been to at
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all.
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He's saying these, or in one case, just saying it was in Italy.
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This is very intentional because the less specific you are, the more able you are to
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wiggle out of your lie when you're called on it.
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If you take away, or if you add specificity, you're nailed to the wall whenever someone's
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like, you're fucking full of shit.
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So in terms of Paris, a woman named Holly Koch put together an interesting mini-documentary
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on YouTube that I found where she set out to do a two-week investigation, checking out
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all the alleged Muslim no-go zones in Paris, along with her camera, specifically pointing
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out that she's a blonde woman alone, something that all the people who propagate the no-go
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zone ideas would say would make her a huge target.
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Not to spoil the documentary, but no one harassed her, although she did say she was catcalled
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twice in the two weeks, which is bad.
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Yeah, that's a man thing.
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That's not a neighborhood thing.
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That's everywhere that men are because they're garbage.
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And she didn't find any evidence of Muslim-only neighborhoods or neighborhoods where Sharia
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law was in place at all.
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Her video, full of actual footage of her all over Paris that pretty well documents and
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demonstrates that these ideas are ludicrous, has about 1,300 views on YouTube.
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Paul Joseph Watson paid definitely not a Nazi but seems to hang out with Nazis quite a bit.
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Tim Poole, $2,000 to go explore the alleged no-go zones in Malmo, Sweden.
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And even he had to admit that he didn't find shit, even in the areas that everyone said
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was the worst.
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That hasn't stopped his documentary as being used as evidence of no-go zones, and it has
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2.1 million views on YouTube.
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So you can kind of see...
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The idea of no-go zones has been flying around for quite a while, but the talk of them has
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really ramped up since 2015, because that's when about a million refugees fled almost
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certain death, mostly from Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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I can't be any more explicit than this.
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These people who push these narratives are not doing it because they're concerned about
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an imagined increase in crime or whatever high-minded reason they profess.
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Pure and simple, the idea of no-go zones exists as preemptive conditioning to desensitize
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people against the idea of violence against minority neighborhoods.
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It's a rationalization for looking the other way if police crack down on Muslims.
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Of course they had to send the National Guard in there, Dan.
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It was a no-go zone.
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The regular police just couldn't handle it.
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That's 100%.
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Well, and of course, you know what, it turns out that really we just need to send in a
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few special ops people, just some crack military guys, maybe send, you know, a 20, 30, 100.
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This is the implication behind no-go zone propaganda, that eventually we're going to
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have to suck it up and send the military in or reclaim the neighborhoods ourselves.
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It's a deeply insidious narrative meant only to further stigmatize immigrants and people
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who folks like Alex hate and make sure that there is no chance of integration and no chance
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of people living happily together.
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And here's the thing.
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In order to reinforce these narratives, these motherfuckers who push this stuff have to
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make shit up.
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When Tim Pool went to Sweden, he didn't get any footage of anything.
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But in order to make it look like his trip wasn't a total waste of time for right-wing
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narratives, he claimed that, quote, several men started masking up and following us.
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Police told us to leave and had to escort us to our car.
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This was when he was in Rickenby, which is just outside Stockholm.
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He went on to later say, quote, they got in their car to escort us out, and we had to
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walk alongside their vehicle and followed us to our car.
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As we were walking, there were people just following us, yelling things.
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You suck, you racist piece of shit!
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Fuck you!
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See, it's a good story, and it's just enough to leave the taste in your mouth that these
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stories of no-go zones are true.
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And maybe it's just a reality a little bit deeper beneath the surface than Tim Pool has
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the skills to dig.
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It's precisely the sort of thing that someone who went to Sweden and found nothing to support
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the idea of no-go zones might be inclined to lie about in order to make sure that the
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documentary that he makes still worked to reinforce no-go zone narratives.
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It's important when performing any kind of scientific experiment or investigation to
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figure out what outcome you want to have first, and then get yourself to that conclusion regardless
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of whatever reality.
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So you don't want Paul Joseph Watson to ask for his two grand back?
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No, absolutely not.
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You don't want the Koch brothers to tell you that your climate study didn't work out the
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right direction.
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So I'm suggesting that Tim Pool made this up in order to make it look like maybe there
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is something here.
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You're suggesting that, but let me guess a question.
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Do you know who else might be suggesting that?
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The Swedish police.
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Is it the Swedish police?
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Yeah.
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There we go.
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Because he did make that shit up.
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When The Local, a Swedish news outlet, contacted the police, quote, a press officer said that
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Pool did not receive an escort.
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Frieda Nordlof of the Swedish police said, quote, when Tim Pool took out a camera and
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started filming a group of young people, they pulled their hoods up and covered their faces
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and shouted at him to stop filming.
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The officers then told Tim Pool that it wasn't wise to stay there in the middle of the square
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and keep filming.
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So he's completely misrepresented this interaction as being followed and somehow, this is fucking
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bullshit.
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OK, Tim, could you could you quit being an asshole?
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All right.
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Get back to your car.
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I've seen literally no evidence of no-go zones that doesn't somehow intrinsically involve
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dishonest reporting or things that could just be seen as the normal sort of thing, you know,
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where some parts of cities have higher crime than other parts of the city.
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And a lot of that could be explained really easily by economic realities that don't really
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have anything to do with Islam or immigration specifically.
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Yeah.
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But go ahead, guys.
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Keep on pushing your narratives.
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That's cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So this is the end of Dan Lyman.
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Lying Dan Mann.
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In my life, this is the end of Dan Lyman and the end of his interview, because Alex lets
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him go.
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They've done what they need to do.
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And now Alex wants to talk about his personal agreement and how he is a victim.
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And then he compares himself.
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This is an unfair comparison he makes.
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OK, this is the Infomercial Challenge.
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So they sit there and they demonize us.
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They lie about us.
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Thousands of articles a month, hundreds of TV shows a month.
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That's conservative.
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Just saying horrible things, never showing you a clip of me saying it.
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They just do it.
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They have no respect for you.
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They just churn out these lies.
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And then corporate America kicks you off your bank accounts.
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You get kicked off social media.
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You get treated like you're a Jew in Nazi Germany.
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That's a good historical parallel to what's happening.
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I hate you so much.
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That's pretty crazy.
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I hate you so much.
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I hate him so much.
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On days like this.
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This is my birthday, Dan.
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He said that on my birthday.
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On days like this, it's really tough to hear that kind of comparison.
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Like it's real brash.
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I guess I'd just sum that up by saying nope, nope, nope.
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You're more like an Israeli Jew that supports Netanyahu?
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So after his self-agreement complaining and a very unfair comparison to Jews and the Holocaust,
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Alex gets to getting back to what he had claimed was his main story, which is the Facebook
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censors who are coming down with trauma symptoms.
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And he gets back to spinning it as just it being like SJW snowflakes, right?
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And then the globalists need to send their mental institutions because if they watch
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his stuff, they start to agree with it.
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Of course.
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And so years ago, I began to learn that one big reason they wanted to go to AI computers
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doing censorship, which more and more they're doing, is because humans that have to listen
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to shows like this at Facebook and Twitter and Google and places and YouTube and censor
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it.
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Well, they get radicalized, you see.
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They actually tune in and hear what we have to say versus what mainstream media is saying
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about us and what the corporate system is saying about us.
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So you can see that this is just trying to reclaim the ship a little bit.
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This is, hey, you know what?
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People are starting to find that there are mental health problems with listening to you.
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Well, the way I interpret that is listening to me makes people see the truth.
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That's not healthy.
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That's really fucked up because if you read the actual article in The Verge, it's very
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hard to come away from that article without a decent amount of empathy and concern for
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the people who have to make social media spaces livable for us.
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So for I mean, I'm sure he didn't read the article, but oh, absolutely.
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But for him to have this take on it is so indecent, like it's so it's so lacking and
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caring.
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It's it's it's very.
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Yeah, it's hard to hear.
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And he's turning himself into the most powerful man you could ever see because those moderators,
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they can watch Fox News all day on their own.
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And it doesn't radicalize them.
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But when they watch even a little clip of my show, they're radicalized because I am
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so powerful.
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Right.
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And he's imagining that these people watch like half hour videos to moderate this content.
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They have to go through like three, 400 things a day.
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They're watching tiny snippets of stuff.
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All they need to do is see one second of an Info Wars logo and they're like, boop, get
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it out of here.
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It's probably more about seeing memes and stuff like that that, you know, convey a point
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much quicker.
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Yeah.
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And much more appealingly to simplistic thinking.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, Alex claims that he has inside sources in Facebook moderation.
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It doesn't seem to know that it's not Facebook that employs these people, which seems weird.
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I don't believe him, but also he just gets real gross and cruel at the end.
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And so PBS put out a report a few days ago.
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We're going to play some clips of it right now.
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And notice the attack.
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It's multifaceted here.
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They talk about snuff films and child molestation.
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That's all the stuff the Democrats are into.
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And they talk about all the terrible stuff Facebook has to go through.
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And you see the articles about Facebook employees have to moderate while they get PTSD, having
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to listen to the conspiracy theorists.
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And then they talk about, oh, why we have to follow them around and watch what they're
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doing.
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And I've talked to sources inside these groups.
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They have P.I.s that watch them.
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They spy on them.
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And then sometimes, like Kanye West got sent to a mental institution for a week when he
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said he liked Trump.
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Sometimes they grab them and Baker Act them because, you know, if you decide, hey, we
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shouldn't be spying on everybody and then lying about it on the news, hey, we shouldn't
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be controlling what words they can say.
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Hey, we're calling people things they aren't.
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Well, then that's their highest turnover.
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That's the groups they've got to target.
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That's the groups they've got to watch.
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And so really, this is your takeaway to this big segment is.
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Around half the people that work a year or longer in, quote, moderation that have even
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been Southern Poverty Law Center trained, they were brainwashed for years in college.
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They were then given a fake template about us.
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And then they get into the moderation, they freak out.
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That's why we get internal Google documents about how we're targeted last year.
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So no, he read an article saying that the moderators themselves have turned to have
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become patriots because of their experience and they leak him documents, which isn't true.
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He's referencing an article from like a year ago.
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Yeah, like I remember when he covered that back then.
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Yeah.
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He was just talking about publicly available information.
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Oh, yeah.
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He's turning this into some sort of a noble crusade that these people who are being affected
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by this content are engaged in.
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And it's not.
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There are people who are hurting.
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And so I don't know.
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That is the way he opened with just like, oh, they see sexual child molestation.
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Oh, that's what the Democrats are into.
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And then later on, he says that they're getting PTSD from watching his show.
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And it's like, you already explained why.
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So he's saying that they're brainwashed to think that the child molestation is totally
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fine.
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Well, maybe in college they are.
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Maybe that's what he's trying to imply.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I get the broader point that he's trying to make and the lie that he's presenting.
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But I don't really understand a lot of the finer details, nor do I care to necessarily.
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What kind of template do you think they get?
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Bad man.
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There you go.
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That's not hard.
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Nope.
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So I only play some of that stuff because I don't really care.
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I think we talked about it enough at the beginning of the episode.
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But I only play that because it leads into what I think is actually maybe a good birthday
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present for you.
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Okay.
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And that is how this episode ends.
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Lionel.
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No.
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Okay.
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Mike Adams hosts The Fourth Hour.
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But before he ends up coming into studio, Alex loses it.
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Okay.
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And you know what he loses it about?
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He's trying to cover this story.
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And he wants on screen for the source of the article, like the article that he's referencing,
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he wants it to be an InfoWars article.
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And it's a different site's article.
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And this pisses him off to no end.
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And really didn't Mike down because he ends up storming off the set of Facebook calls
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me dangerous.
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Imagine my shot.
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No really.
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And if you scroll down the article on InfoWars.com, for some reason they've got human events pulled
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up at help.
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I'll just show you my site.
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I'll just go to my site.
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That's quicker and easier for me to do.
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And I'll just go to the old InfoWars.com.
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Hell, I'll just go off air.
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That's what I'll do.
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Can I move to Canada?
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So they start playing some video.
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Like I've...
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What?
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What just happened?
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In all the time...
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I'll lay it all out for you.
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Okay.
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In the time that I've listened to his show over the years in the past, I've never heard
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him...
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I've heard him leave the studio.
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Oh yeah.
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I've never heard him leave so gruffly that I could hear footsteps.
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Like you could hear him...
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I thought...
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No, if there wasn't video, I'd be like, that's totally photol-y work.
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There's no way that that's...
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Because that was clear...
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Like, what is he wearing fucking heels?
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Like what's going on?
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Is he a horse?
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Jesus.
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Also, there really should have been a lot more buildup for him to have just walked off
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the show.
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That was like three sentences.
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Yeah, it was...
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Well, I mean, I can explain my very strong theory about why he did.
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But what happened is he's covering this Facebook story and they have pulled up an article from
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Human Events, which his lawyer is involved in, running, and also some of his guests.
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A Nazi.
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Maybe.
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So, they have that article up there and Alex is like, fuck it, I'll pull it up on my phone.
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I'll pull up our article on it so you can get an overhead cam on the article to cover
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the story.
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Just pull up the old InfoWars.com?
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And I think as he pulls out his phone, maybe he realizes like, ah, I forgot the code.
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Or maybe it's like, ah, this is going to take longer, more dead air than I want there to
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be.
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I'm going off air to find the article.
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Maybe he just doesn't know what the article is called, doesn't know how to search for
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it.
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Maybe they didn't have one.
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Maybe.
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So, the reason that he storms off and the reason that the buildup is so short, I believe,
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is that Alex realizes that his only fucking chance is driving traffic aggressively to
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his website.
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That is the only place that he has control over.
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They aren't taking away his IP address, they're not taking away his hosting, anything like
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that.
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He's safe.
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Whereas all these other platforms clearly go away.
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You know, YouTube's kicked him off, now Facebook and Instagram, he's gone.
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The only thing that he can really control the flow to and what you do with the flow
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to, monetizing the amount of traffic that comes to his site, that is his site.
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That's all he's got.
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Yeah.
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So, when even a site like Human Events that he's ideologically aligned with, he has an
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interest in by virtue of his lawyer and guests being involved in it, he doesn't want to drive
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traffic to them.
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Because that is, it's a zero-sum game.
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That traffic that goes to that article isn't going to him, they're covering the same story.
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So, he knows and is really mad at his staff for doing that.
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It should always be an InfoWars article.
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That is all we've got.
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And I think that's what facilitated his freakout and going off air.
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Gotcha.
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I, everything I know about him, and especially his current situation, leads me to think that's
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the only conclusion, because it is abrupt, and it is weird.
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Yeah, that is crazy.
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Yeah, it's weird.
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So now, we have one last clip.
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Okay.
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And Alex has come...
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He's already walked off the show.
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But he comes back.
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Oh, he comes back?
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He comes back while they're playing the video of the PBS interview with the guy who wrote
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the article about the Facebook moderators.
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This is literally how the show ends.
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This is going to be another Mike Down clip, because it is completely fucked up.
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He is so mad about them using a different article.
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Okay.
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Oh, man.
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This is, this is...
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Happy birthday.
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They're going to control how you live your lives.
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That's how they do it.
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And I shouldn't say visit InfoWars.com or NewsWars.com.
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Who really cares?
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You know what I mean?
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Nobody really cares anymore.
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Nobody's going to watch Netflix until the reactors start melting down and the new war
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starts.
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There's going to be a huge world war and billions are going to die, because humans are weak,
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people are stupid, and they want to die.
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Alex has officially turned heel on humanity.
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That is what somebody is saying whenever they say, I'm taking my ball and going home.
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He's just walking out the door just like everybody, they just don't appreciate me the way that
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they're supposed to.
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And you know what?
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If you don't appreciate me, you can go fuck yourself and I don't like any of you and everybody
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can die.
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There's going to be a world war.
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There's going to be a world war and we're all going to die.
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So I'm taking my ball and going home.
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It's worse than that because so much of Alex, especially his early career was predicated
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on this idea that humanity is so good and it's worth defending and humanity is powerful
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and we can take power back from these globalists that have enslaved us.
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And then now, just because the plug didn't work right, and his staff put the wrong article
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up, because clearly that's what he's complaining about.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Why should I even try pluginfowars.com?
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Who cares?
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Oh, news wars, info wars.
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Who gives a shit?
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Who fucking cares?
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Let's plug somebody else.
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You know what?
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Go to the fucking CNN's website.
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They probably got something on there I don't even give a fuck.
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Was it the petty squabble there and that, he's like, fuck it, humanity sucks.
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They're stupid and they want to die.
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I do like, I do like.
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That's all it takes.
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Yeah, I know.
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That's what I was, the pettiness, like, okay.
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The fact that it just escalates to the world exploding is my favorite part.
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You could throw a tantrum, you could complain about stuff.
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But your ultimate end game for your, the website didn't show up properly, shouldn't be, there's
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going to be a world war and billions are going to die.
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That's your fault.
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Hey staff, put a news wars, put a news wars on there because people want to die.
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Humanity wants it.
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They want to die and they're fucking stupid.
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So who cares about plotting my website?
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God, that's almost a veiled threat to the employee who put the wrong one up there.
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I wouldn't doubt that.
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People want to die.
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I'm looking at you, Terry.
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I'm guessing they're fired already.
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Yeah.
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I have to assume.
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Yeah.
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That's a real big tantrum.
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So I think that this episode blows my mind from a narrative arc situation, from him showing
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up super depressed because he watched a movie about Satanism yesterday to these weird, like
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roads that he goes down with the Belgian bus station and gun smoke being factually ripped
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from the headlines.
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Ripped from, literally ripped from the headlines.
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What else was on the headlines today?
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To this dehumanizing talk about Facebook moderators who don't even technically work for Facebook.
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Just self-serving exploitation of their pain.
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Just awful.
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And then you reach the end and just because he didn't get a plug for his own website on
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his own show, he throws a tantrum and says humanity wants to die.
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Yeah.
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I think we closed the narrative circle there pretty well.
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It's amazing.
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There's episodes in the present day that are deeply, deeply painful to listen to and because
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of the farcical nature of so much of this, it really wasn't so bad, but it was a lot
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of stuff.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, I could handle this.
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As much as I hate the present day and I never look forward to listening to it, this I relished.
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This was kind of like, you got a lot of meat on the bones.
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There's a lot of stuff for me to learn about.
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You're acting like a real fucking idiot.
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Yeah.
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So.
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He very much seemed like he went through one of my bipolar cycles in three hours.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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Probably all the krill.
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Yeah.
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He's been fucking tripping the whole time.
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Might have taken five caps before the show.
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So you see in Santa Claus.
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Yeah.
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There's a real possibility.
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Oh boy.
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Well, man, it's a, you know, that episode on Monday doing that was a lot of fun, but
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I missed doing this, you know, like missed actually covering his stuff and like our normal
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format.
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So it's nice to get back to it.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, and I'm, I'm glad this, uh, went well and we're technically still finishing a time
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for me to go to therapy.
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Well, then we're perfect.
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So that's nice.
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In the meantime, I think we have a website.
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We do.
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We have a website.
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It's knowledge fight.com.
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Uh, indeed.
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Are we on Twitter?
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We are knowledge underscore fight and you're on Twitter at go to bed Jordan, right?
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We're on Facebook.
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We are also, we're on iTunes and so many other places I might bite the bullet and get on
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Spotify.
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Yeah.
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Let's do it.
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Wow.
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That's how we, I don't know why this has to be a month long conversation.
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That's basically how we start.
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Yeah.
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Um, but man, I don't know.
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This is a, this is interesting.
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I don't think we have a hero here.
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Well, we have several heroes.
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Wow.
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We got Satan.
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Satan's doing all right.
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Satan's never killed anybody.
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Satan does not exist.
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That's an interesting one for this, but yeah, I'd stand by that.
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I'd stand by it too.
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Satan's never killed anybody.
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Uh, now are we talking about the way people are?
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No.
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Okay.
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And also not talking about fictional portrayals.
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A literal Satan has never killed anybody.
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But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
