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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Yeah.
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Dan?
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Jordan.
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Did you have a childhood nemesis?
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Huh.
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Like an archenemy?
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It's interesting. Not really in childhood because I moved around a lot.
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Okay.
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Growing up in elementary school, we moved from Boston and Cambridge,
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and then to Hawaii, and then Missouri. So there was a lot of shifting schools.
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I didn't have a lot of time to develop the nemesis.
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Get into that good nemesis territory where it's like you're pushing each other,
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and you hate each other, and all that stuff. Yeah.
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And then once I got into high school, I was kind of depressed,
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and I thought everyone was my nemesis.
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So it was tough to make it specific enough. I felt like the world was against me.
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Man versus world is our conflict here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But then in college, I did discover nemeses as being a really productive strategy.
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In order to motivate myself to do better in classes, I would often choose someone to hate.
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Almost at random.
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Well, they'd have to do something.
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One guy in one of my classes was wearing an OAR tour shirt.
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That is enough.
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Yeah.
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That is enough. Put them on the list.
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Put them on the list.
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And so what I would do is I'd never talk to these people,
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and then I would decide that I needed to crush them.
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Okay.
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So I would do well in the class to do better than them.
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Right.
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It was kind of a fun game you could play.
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The only time that I ever had anything confirmed for me was
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there was a guy who was in one of my philosophy classes who was just a real annoying douche.
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Yeah.
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Kind of guy in an early entry-level philosophy class who asks all these stupid questions,
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and the professor gets annoyed with him.
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Everybody gets annoyed with him.
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So he was my nemesis.
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I was that guy.
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Sure.
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He was my nemesis in that class.
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And I just hated him for his behavior in the philosophy class.
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And one day I was at the rec center.
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I was doing some exercising because I was a little bit into working out in college.
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A little bit.
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Okay.
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Not much, but a little bit.
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You're giving us a lot of background information I like.
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So I'm there and I'm like, I don't remember what I'm doing.
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I think I was probably on a bike or something like that.
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And I hear just like,
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ah, like someone really, like a monster underneath somebody's house.
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It was it, was it it the clown Dan?
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Well, no, it was, it's the sort of that you, you hear people breathing really hard when
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they're lifting and stuff like that.
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Cause it's healthy.
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You're supposed to breathe.
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But this guy was just like, ah.
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And I looked over and it's that guy from my philosophy class.
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And he has like one bar of weight.
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It's no weight at all.
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He's just overdoing it for attention.
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I was like, I was so right.
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Not just in a philosophy class, this guy's annoying everywhere.
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So he was my, he's the only nemesis I can really specifically remember.
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Cause all the other ones kind of like my animosity with them left once I left the class.
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Yeah.
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They, they, they were there.
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They were my nemesis for a purpose.
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That's it.
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They weren't persistent situations.
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No, no.
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Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones who is now my nemesis.
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That is, that is absolutely true.
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Unrequited nemesis.
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I want to go with arch enemy in this, in this situation.
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I don't care enough about him personally.
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And I only know what you tell me.
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Yeah.
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That's the fun of the show.
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So Jordan, today we've got an interesting situation to go over and that is that Alex
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has been out of the studio bullhorning Washington DC to try and get himself back on Twitter.
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Yes, that sounds right.
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So he's been out of the studio and we have like Owen Troyer filling in for the last couple
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of days.
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And so we're not talking about that garbage.
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Um, but he, Alex was in studio on Monday.
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Uh, and I was thinking about like, eh, we can cover that.
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Uh, and I just started listening to it and about halfway through, all he was doing was
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gloating about the idea that a Muslim group did commit the act in Sri Lanka.
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That's exactly what I thought it would be.
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And we'd already kind of talked about that event on our, on our last or on our Monday
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episode.
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And so I kind of felt like, I don't even want to do this.
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I, you know, as I'm preparing this, it was also on my birthday, you know, something like
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I'm like, I'm not sitting through another one of this shit.
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I just can't do it.
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Oh God, that's torture.
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And then beyond that, I also have a wacky Wednesday thing that I've been working on.
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Uh, but, uh, I gotta, I need a little more time on that.
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So we are back in the past again today, back in 2013, we're going over January 10th to
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13th of 2013.
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And, uh, it's, uh, there's some, there's some stuff in here.
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Are we talking Monday through Thursday?
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No, this is Thursday through Sunday.
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Oh, Thursday, Friday, Sunday.
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All right.
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All right.
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So let's, let's hear some hot takes.
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I assume it's all Sandy all day.
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You might be wrong about that, but we'll find out.
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Are we getting Somalis?
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Are we getting any Somalis today?
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No, no, nothing that out of left field.
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Um, we'll see what we get, uh, in earnest though.
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But before we do, got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are
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supporting the show.
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So first Joseph, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Joseph.
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Thank you, Joseph.
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Next to Daniel.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Daniel.
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Thank you, Daniel.
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Next to Veronica.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Veronica.
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Thank you, Veronica.
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I love the way you said Veronica.
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Well, I was thinking of Veronica Mars.
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Yeah, you really sunk your teeth into that.
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Veronica.
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I was thinking about how much I liked the first season of Veronica Mars.
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Maybe even the second, but I remember it fell though.
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Fuck off.
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So anyway, thanks, Veronica.
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Yeah.
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If you're Kristen Bell.
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Next to Marcus.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Marcus.
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And Christine.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Christine.
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Thank you very much, Christine.
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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated
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level and I actually know in real life.
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Really?
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There's a guy I knew back in Columbia, Missouri.
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I believe we watched a number of episodes of Lost together.
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We appreciate him signing up and supporting the show.
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So thank you so much, Sam.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Sam.
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Thank you very much, Sam.
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If you're out there listening or thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show.
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I like what these guys do.
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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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Clicking the button that says support the show.
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And guys, we are a sliver of the way from me getting this tattoo.
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Yeah.
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The life is very fragile tattoo.
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I'll give you an update on that.
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My brother is designing it as we speak.
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Oh, really?
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Very likely I'll be going to get it this weekend because inevitably we will end up over this
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goal.
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That's wonderful.
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Yeah, so thank you all so much for everyone who's forcing my hand for this dumb joke that
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I made about getting a life is very fragile tattoo.
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What's the official spelling?
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It's going to be as it's supposed to be.
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Oh, no.
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It's just going to say actual life's very fragile.
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Yeah.
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I debated the, but I felt the actual words are a better way to go about it in terms of
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a tattoo.
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In terms of, that's probably a smart move.
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Now maybe I'll get the misspelling tattooed on myself somewhere else.
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Maybe we'll do that.
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At a later date and time.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, this stretch of time is a little bit of a slog.
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January 10th through 13th is a little bit of a walking through molasses.
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I'm not going to lie to you.
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Yeah.
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There's some fun along the way, but there is a lot of talking about Piers Morgan.
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Okay.
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His show has almost entirely become about how he went to CNN.
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That's almost all he's talking about.
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How can you talk about that for four hours?
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There's very little other content, quite honestly, except screaming about guns.
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Okay.
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so I kind of got to a point where I was like almost just looking for out of context
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drops because I was getting so bored.
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The whole thing.
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So here's some that we can enjoy.
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We got a rapid fire out of context drop situation?
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Well, not rapid fire, but we can let these breathe and enjoy them a little bit.
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There's the first one.
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I've entered complete creep Ville.
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Yup.
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You certainly have.
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Speaking of creep Ville, you know who lives there?
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And I'm a little bit proud of the fact that I know Gary Busey really well.
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Okay, cool, cool.
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Bragging about knowing Gary Busey.
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This comes on the tails of him having man cow on.
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I don't want any context for that.
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That was a one, two punch to perfection.
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This is not, that's not giving it context.
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It's not like he has man cow on and then he brags about knowing Gary Busey.
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It's just apropos of nothing.
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He also had man cow on and they talked for like half an hour about fucking William Shatner
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being a great guy.
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Oh, I don't know why.
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I mean, I guess that sounds nice.
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Man cows.
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Good friends with William Shatner and he's apparently a living embodiment of how you
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just got to keep moving forward.
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That's okay.
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Why are we doing this?
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Are we getting the Zen of Shatner?
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Is that what's going on?
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I don't know.
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They did not bring up his wife either.
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Oh, surprise.
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Yeah.
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Absent in their coverage.
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He's a great guy.
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He's a great guy.
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So here's the last out of context drop that we got.
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Believe me, I want nothing more than to not be here and to not have to do this.
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Me too.
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Yeah.
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Me too, Alex.
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Yeah.
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I want nothing more than that either.
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You should follow your heart and quit.
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So let's jump in here on January 10th.
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Yeah.
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On our last 2013 episode, we heard Alex's bragging and fictionalized versions of going
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to talk to Piers Morgan.
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There was shit on the walls.
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Shit on the walls.
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There is...
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I mean, the whole studio is just...
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It's bedlam.
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And then also he got harassed by cops and chased to the airport in Newark or whatever.
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All that sort of stuff.
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Now, he presents a slightly elevated version of that here on the 10th.
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And you can see little kernels of how the narrative is starting to evolve.
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Are we getting another...
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Are we getting another Fish Gets Bigger story as we go along?
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A little bit, yeah.
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Because he introduces in this next clip a piece to the story that has absolutely been
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absent.
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Three globalists in a hot tub.
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It might as well be.
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And you know, I'll say this on air.
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I probably in hindsight, I watched Larry Pratt last night destroy Piers Morgan.
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And at the end, he said, you're not my friend to him because he knew he'd been beaten.
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I wish I could do that more.
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And sometimes I've gone on shows and been very calm.
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But when you've got a chest cold, when you're angry, when you've just been messed with on
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the street by detective after detective or whatever they were popping out of the dark,
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and you see all the disgustingness of it, you get angry.
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So here is what's different about this on the tap.
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He had been talking a little bit about how he had some allergies and stuff like that
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before.
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So that's not like that much of a new introduction.
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Although him using it as an excuse for why he yelled at Piers Morgan, that's a little
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different.
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That bounced me up a little bit.
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Now, the more important thing that's different is he's now talking about the police harassing
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him before the interview.
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Right.
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It set him off.
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Right.
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It set him off.
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That was never.
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How can he give a good performance whenever, and I quote, police or whatever are popping
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out of the dark.
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Out of the dark.
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Out of the dark.
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Boy, do they record don't they record Piers Morgan's there in the day before this.
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Alex had only been talking about the police harassing him after the fact, trying to walk
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him out into an alley where apparently there's an ambush and there's another cop in the dark.
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Right.
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And then they were at his hotel when he came back or something like that.
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The reason that he's bringing up the they were harassing him before, which he had not
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said previous to this is because Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network, one
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of Alex's weirdo, dumb, dumb friends who now has Dave Dobbin Meyer on his show a bunch.
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Coach Dave.
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He's a great guy.
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This guy is a fucking idiot.
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Doug Hagman.
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But he Hagman was on earlier in the show and he was talking about how from a DHS source
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of his, they were following and messing with Alex the whole time.
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And it was all the plan to get him to a Starbucks where a lady was going to accost him and then
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they could take him down.
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All right.
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So Doug Hagman has shown up with this new, quote unquote, the privileged information.
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And Alex has incorporated that into his own telling of his experience, of course, in order
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to match Larry Hagman's fake intelligence.
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Alex's individual experience of the past has now changed.
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Wow.
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This is a mark of bullshit.
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That is that is spectacular.
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Yeah.
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So that takes up a bit of the show.
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Doug Hagman being boring as shit, telling Alex that he has secret sources, that he was
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playing, there was a planned takedown or some shit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But then Alex has Gerald Cilenti on and he has to break through, break out of these interview
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with Gerald Cilenti because there's big news.
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We've got breaking news, Gerald.
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And this continues.
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There's a lot of evidence this could be provocateur.
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Shooting outside Bakersfield, California, where we have a 50,000 watt affiliate.
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A California school shooting, two reportedly shot at Taft Union High School near Bakersfield.
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At least two people were shot.
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That's how Sandy Hook started was two at Taft Union High School in Kent County, California,
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this morning as the suspected shooter has been taken into custody, according to local
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media reports.
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Let's pray to God nobody dies.
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Let's pray to God.
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It's time to arm these schools.
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Now, folks, they're advertising the ABC News in Bakersfield.
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So the incident happened at 9 a.m.
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That's just minutes ago.
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Their time, this is incredible.
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Gerald Cilenti, what's your take on that?
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Well, my take again is what are the other issues that you keep talking about?
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What kind of psychotropic drugs are these people on?
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What kind of society, the cruel nature of society, a culture of cruelty that we had?
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Who are these people that are committing the crimes?
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Jailed, you're doing great.
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What drugs are they on that they wouldn't answer you when you brought it up that each
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one of these there's records of them showing how many people on psychotropic drugs are
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killing this.
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Yeah, at least his voice is interesting as compared to a lot of these other fucking dumb,
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dumb guests.
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So you can see here there's a shooting at Bakersfield at Taft High School in Bakersfield,
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California, and Alex is breaking the news and he immediately, him and Gerald are talking
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about how that their people are on drugs.
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He's interrupting this pretty pointless interview that he's having with Gerald Cilenti.
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It's mostly just stuff about how there's gonna be a planned financial collapse.
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Standard Gerald Cilenti business.
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So he's breaking in with his news of the school shooting.
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What happened was a student at Taft High School brought a shotgun to school and wounded two
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people before being talked into putting his gun down and surrendering to the police.
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He would go on to claim that he didn't remember anything from the point where he was at his
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house until right after the first shot was actually fired.
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But prosecutors introduced some pretty compelling evidence that this could not be the case.
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For instance, after surrendering to the police, he told them the correct number of shells
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that were in his gun, but he would later claim that he had no memory of loading it.
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Things like that are pretty good reason to have a little bit of a suspicion and skepticism
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about the I don't remember anything.
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Yeah, yeah, no.
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Call bullshit.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I'm inclined to call bullshit, if only also because he had posted, like, the shooter had
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written like a short story that involved getting back at bullies through violence like a couple
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of years prior, maybe a year prior.
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And the day before the shooting, he posted it online.
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So there's some indications that there might have been premeditation and the idea of like,
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I don't remember anything that happened.
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Yeah, a little bit, a little bit dubious.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Alex and Gerald will use this as an opportunity to sow doubt about all mass shootings, but
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they're particularly interested in doing is suggesting with literally no evidence or even
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any information about the shooter that he was on psychiatric medication, which caused
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him to carry out the shooting.
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I was trying to figure out if this was the case, and my research led me to Dr. Peter
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Langman, a psychologist and an expert on school shootings.
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Langman wrote a paper regarding the arguments flying around that school shooters are all
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on psych beds, and I'll just read you the opening paragraph.
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Quote, there are numerous websites devoted to the belief that psychiatric medications
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have caused school shootings and other acts of mass violence.
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I've seen claims that virtually all rampage shooters were on or had recently been on psychiatric
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medications.
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Based on my research, these claims are not accurate.
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Of the cases Langman researched, 73% of the secondary school shooters, like high school
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shooters, that he looked at were not on psych meds nor had they ever been.
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The shooter at Taft High School is one of that 73%.
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He was not on psych meds and he had not ever been.
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The reality is that a pretty sizable majority of school shooters are not on psychotropic
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medication at all, and even if the statistics were flipped, it wouldn't prove causation.
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Because here's the thing, Jordan, during the same time period when the number of people
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on drugs like Prozac went through the roof, violent crime rates dropped.
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If the these are murder pills argument held any water, then we'd be seeing severely spiking
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violent crime rates from the 1980s to the current day, and that just doesn't match up
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with reality as it is.
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So a lot of this is bullshit.
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Yeah.
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That's all I'm saying.
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Yep.
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I mean, it's almost like I don't even want to respond to what is an obviously bad faith
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argument from them.
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If it's coming, if that's your immediate reaction to the news of another school shooting,
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your reaction is not like, oh shit, it's we got to get people off psychiatric drugs.
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That's sleight of hand.
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That's like, I'm changing the issue.
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Well, yeah, I guess it is in that sense.
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What it is is an attempt to claim the space early in case it is accurate.
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And then it builds up your narrative that all these things are fake or they're patsied
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through people who are on these psych meds and shit like that.
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And then when it's not true, like in this case, you can pretend that it is and hope
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people don't look into it.
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Or you can just ignore the fact that you said that that was what's going to be the case,
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which is what he does.
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I mean, it's just no matter what he ends up being able to reinforce his narrative without
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any consequences and it's kind of lame.
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Um, so, uh, you know, he breaks that news and he doesn't talk about it too much because
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Gerald Cilenti is there.
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And I mean, even as you responded to, Cilenti is pretty fun.
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Uh, and so the two of them just get back to talking.
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And then Alex says this and it, it, it, I found it upsetting.
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Cruelty to animals.
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People are into that now.
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That's like chic.
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That made me very upset.
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I'm sorry, what?
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Context wouldn't help that.
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That was apropos of almost nothing.
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He means that it has become a fad for people to hurt animals in a cruel manner.
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Which I, I was alive in 2013.
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I remember, uh, I don't, I don't think it was ever chic.
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Yeah.
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I don't recall like, uh, uh, backstreet boys like Fervor building up around, uh, the new
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hip thing, cruelty to animals.
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No.
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And it wasn't even, it wasn't even like, uh, if, if a real spike in cruelty to animals
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happened, it would at least be a local news story where they're like, are your kids being
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cruel to animals?
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We'll tell you after the break.
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Right.
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You know, I'm, I'm trying to think if there's even like a Michael Vick, uh, connection or
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something like that, but Michael Vick got in trouble in 2007 and he got out of prison
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in 2009.
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So that timeline doesn't match up now.
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I can't, I don't know what this is about, but I think it's further evidence that Alex
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Jones may have allegedly killed some dogs.
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Cause he's, he's trying to justify it by saying, well, everybody's doing cool kids are killing
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their dogs.
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It's trendy now.
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Um, so Alex and Gerald, uh, have a bit more of a conversation and then Alex comes back
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from break and there's more news about the Bakersfield shooting.
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Uh, and uh, here we go.
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I, uh, I have the news here, bakersfieldnow.com.
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Bakersfield school officials take part in shooting survival training.
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Uh, this is, uh, January 9th.
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They just had a drill at the school.
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Now, whether that copycats did the shooting now there or whether that's used as a cover,
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we know in North woods, other documents they use, they use drills as the cover for the
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real shooters.
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And I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen, they're so confident there.
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I believe they're, they're staging and provocateuring these and you're going to see a bunch more
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shootings.
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That's why they're so confident.
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So, uh, yeah.
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Quick question.
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Yeah.
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Uh, let's just establish fact.
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Did they have a drill on the eighth?
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Not really.
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Okay.
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Um, that's kind of what I was expecting before I even engage with what it is that he's trying
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to say.
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I just want to know whether or not he's even lying about.
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Well, he's, he's misrepresenting something, but also I know from looking into this that
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he's going to, this is not going to stop here.
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This is going to get worse.
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This narrative.
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Yeah.
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I'm certain.
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Why wouldn't it?
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Right.
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So one of the cornerstones of rationalizing and reinforcing the no one died at Sandy hook
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narrative and the tragedy, tragedy, denialist narrative about other events more generally
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is the idea that there's always drills overlapping with these events.
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It's very consistent throughout, um, conspiracy, uh, sort of just, uh, the Canon.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Alex talks a trope.
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Yeah.
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Alex talks about it all the fucking time.
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And I'm certain that it would be pretty easy to put together an approximately two week
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long super cut of him saying they were running a drill because he says it all the goddamn
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time.
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The idea goes like this.
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The nefarious globalists want to pull off this fake shooting in order to sway public
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opinion against the noble gun loving Patriots, but it's difficult to get all the pieces in
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place stealthily.
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Thus they conduct drills that mirror the event.
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They plan to stage, which then quote goes live, which can mean that it turns into a
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real shooting or it could mean that it turns into a fake shooting depending on what day
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you ask Alex.
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That's largely the way that this narrative is used, right?
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I don't understand how having a drill like two days beforehand, that is a problem.
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So that's one problem.
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Is that like a, is that like a, uh, like a dry run of the way that the circumstances
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are supposed to go?
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Alex might make that argument.
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Is it like soft opening, like a dress rehearsal?
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I think he might, uh, he might make that argument.
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He doesn't specify, so I don't know exactly where his head's at in terms of this.
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It's just something that's like, Oh, here's something I can use.
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Yeah.
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So if you're thinking of the idea just generally sounds stupid, it is.
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Yeah.
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But it works because it relies on exploiting one of the great shortcomings of the human
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mind, our innate susceptibility to ascribing meaning to coincidences.
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For instance, there was a shooting drill at a city about 20 miles away from Newtown on
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the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook.
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That's a pretty wild coincidence, but it becomes more than a coincidence when it's used as
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a piece of a consistent pattern.
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And that's why it's important to apply it to all and any situation that comes up because
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on its own coincidence, if it's part of every single event, then it's suspicious.
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And then you hijack people's mind with that sort of thinking.
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This is why Alex is super quick to say that this Bakersfield shooting, uh, shooters on
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psych meds, which he wasn't before knowing any of the facts of the case, regardless of
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what the reality is, his constant reinforcement of the idea that they're all on psych meds
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is all the audience actually hears.
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And that becomes what they believe is reality.
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The success of the narrative doesn't depend on fact, only on the appearance of a pattern
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built on the exploitation of coincidence combined with just outright malicious distortions.
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The latter is what's happening with the Bakersfield had a drill version of reporting.
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Alex reporting is quote unquote reporting here on this episode is based on a blurb out
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of the Bakersfield now website.
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The story doesn't say that they had a drill at the school.
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It actually literally says that the training took place at a dorm at San Diego State University.
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Quote a two day seminar concluded Tuesday with a simulated gunman stocking a dormitory
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at San Diego State University.
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About two dozen participants from school districts and universities in San Diego County,
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Los Angeles and Bakersfield participated.
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They practiced barricading doors, hiding, escaping and confronting the gunman.
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Some might argue that a school district not providing this kind of training in the aftermath
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of Sandy Hook might be them being negligent, which is where squarely where I fall on this
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part of the argument.
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The narrative that there was a drill at the school would be reinforced by a January 11th
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article posted on Fox News, which became the subject of rampant, inappropriate editorializing.
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That article had the headline, quote, California school practiced new lockdown drill minutes
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before shooting, which is barely discussed in the body of the article.
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Wow, that is a very misleading headline.
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That's bad.
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The only mention of this is found in the second paragraph of the article.
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Quote, 10 minutes, sorry, just 10 minutes before it happened, our teachers were giving
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us protocol because of what happened in Connecticut, Oscar Nuno, a student at Taft High School
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said.
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It's probably super unfair to call that proof that the school had a drill.
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However, that didn't stop online conspiracy theorists from using that quote to justify
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their contention that there was a drill at Taft High School that overlapped with this
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shooting and thus it's completely fishy in a twist that should surprise no one.
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One of the most visible names pushing this theory was Shepherd and Bellis, a relatively
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obscure Internet weirdo who would go on to become an Infowars employee whose most notable
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contribution seems to be him successfully convincing Alex that there were helicopters
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firing on civilians at the Las Vegas shooting last year.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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Isn't it interesting?
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Years before he came into the Infowars fold, he was still helping it out, helping out the
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world.
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That's remarkable consistency.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's a little bit of story of a rags to riches kind of situation.
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Here he is, some anonymous blogger finally breaking through to the worst stream.
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That sounds right.
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Yep.
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But that article comes out a day after the episode we're listening to now.
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But I have zero faith that Alex won't find that article and then go from there once it's
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out.
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Which was the entire point of the article in the first place for everybody to see that
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headline and run with it like Alex Jones.
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And that's the entire point of Alex on the 10th reporting that there was a drill at the
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school.
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And the article actually said that there was shooter training at San Diego State University.
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Yeah.
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Now, there's nothing suspicious here.
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There's no evidence of any drill.
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And from the student's description, it could very well have just been teachers telling
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students what they should do in an emergency, which makes sense.
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This was the first week of January when students were coming back from their holiday break
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right before which there was a terrible school shooting.
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All of this makes complete sense in exactly what would happen in a normal rational, reasonable
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situation.
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Absolutely.
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You know, what's fun, I didn't really make this connection.
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When we talked about propaganda laundering being that crazy blog out there then gets
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amplified with, you know, more and more legitimate outlets.
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It also works both ways.
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Like Fox News publishing that headline knowing full well that it's bullshit means that crazier
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outlets can make more out of that.
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And then it gets crazy with the credibility of Fox News.
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And then it comes right back up.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, there is something to that.
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I think Fox News is probably on the capricious side of appropriate chaotic evil.
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Well, I mean, like what you have there, I think that it's wrong to make that the headline
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of the story, considering that most of the article isn't about that.
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Yeah, I think that it's that's irresponsible.
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But at the same time, there is this quote from this student, which they could twist
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into being like, you know, there was they practice new lockdown drill minutes before
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shooting.
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Yeah, you know, like, it's it's bad.
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They're not as evil as Alex, unless it is with the cognizance that people like Alex
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will take that headline and run with it.
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Yeah.
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And if if that is and that's fucking evil as hell, it does seem like there's just seems
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like bad journalism if you look at it in a vacuum.
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Right.
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But just as we talked about coincidence, you know, one time being a coincidence, but a
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concerted pattern points to smoke fire.
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Can't prove nothing.
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Yeah, can't prove nothing.
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It just doesn't look good, but it doesn't look good.
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But you know what does also not look good?
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Gerald Cilenti's ideas when you write them down on paper.
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Oh, boy, here we go.
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So Gerald Cilenti says something that I think is very interesting in this next clip, because
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it's in many ways.
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What is it with all this cruelty to animal happening?
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It's a fad.
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No, he is a trends researcher.
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Right.
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He knows there's a trend right towards animal cruelty.
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But it's not about that.
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It's this is something that Alex definitely believes in.
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But Cilenti is coming in and giving a much more extreme version.
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Oh, boy.
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Which I think is interesting.
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What I would like to see as part of the next revolution is secession.
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I don't want a gang of five thirty five telling three hundred and fifteen million people what
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to do.
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I don't want a guy like Biden or Boner.
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I don't want a person like Reid or McConnell.
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I don't want these losers who have created nothing but misery.
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You're killing a jail ship for all of us, except their friends to keep destroying the
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nation.
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I wonder if he still supports secession.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if that stopped like a couple of years back.
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You think so?
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I want to wonder.
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I wonder why would it happen?
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Seems strange.
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Also, doesn't he live in New York?
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I don't.
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Yeah, probably.
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I mean, based on his voice, I assume like wouldn't that is a pretty New York voice.
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People who should succeed.
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All states.
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All states.
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Yes.
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Well, then we then he just wants the dissolution of the union entirely.
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I believe so.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I mean, that'd be interesting.
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Alex's version of it is he doesn't want secession.
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He wants to dissolve the federal government and then reconstitute it.
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Right.
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Because the federal government has become invaded by the definitely not Zionist.
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Occupied.
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No, no, no.
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Globalist.
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Globalist.
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Hold on.
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How dare you, nobody look at it, nobody look at that.
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Look away.
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Look away.
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Very dissimilar things.
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So he believes that the federal government is entrenched in that.
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So the states have the authority, because the government's corrupt, to dissolve the
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federal government and then bring it back together.
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But as we've discussed before, that would never work.
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That would be impossible.
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That's stupid.
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That would be absurd.
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What that would do is create a ton of different countries.
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I think that would also have different countries that are all unsustainable.
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That would create the end of the world as we know it like that would destroy everything.
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Oh yeah.
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Especially if you consider the geopolitical balance.
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Yeah.
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Imagine imagine Wisconsin having to negotiate trade deals with the fucking United Kingdom.
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It'd be tough.
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That would be a little bit harder than you might imagine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets a call from a guy and he's complaining about Glenn Beck
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a little bit, but in doing so, he sort of gives a good snapshot of what Alex and his
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listeners think constitutes as research.
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Chris, what's your take on all this?
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Hey man, I think that this is all something that you predicted from the beginning.
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I'm a one year listener, first time caller, and that piece of garbage Glenn Beck is always
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preaching about doing your homework and doing your research.
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And last night I did my research and went on YouTube.
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Now you've been talking about this since July 25th, 2001.
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I mean, you called 9 11 on the spot.
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So yeah, the research equals I watched some YouTube videos.
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Yeah, that's really troublesome.
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But that's how this really stupid and very transparent sort of presentation is allowed
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to continue.
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Yeah.
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Like Alex couldn't continue if his listeners subscribe to more rigorous methods of fact
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checking.
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Yeah, that would be trouble.
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Well, it would be.
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That I don't like.
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I don't like living in a world where you can say I did my research.
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I went to YouTube.
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And then I don't like that.
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And then also have someone like Alex who fancies himself an intellectual.
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Not bad at eyelash.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah, of course.
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That is what you should be doing.
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You have covered all your bases checked off.
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Stupid.
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Are you going to go with citing your source MLA style or AP?
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Like what kind of.
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I watched a six hour video that was posted by Demon Slayer 69.
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And I gotta say, how do I put that in MLA?
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You are not going to get a degree, friend.
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It's going to fail.
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So most of the show is just Alex talking about Piers Morgan.
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I could have included a bunch more clips of that, but it's all stuff we listened to in
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the last episode.
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So I felt it would be sort of redundant.
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But this episode ends with Alex going to retransmission, which is what he does.
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If you don't know what I mean, his show will air.
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And then on the GCN streams, it'll just restart whenever his show ends.
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Yeah.
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So he says he's going to retransmission.
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There's the interview with Doug Hagman is at the beginning of the show.
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So he knows that if you're listening straight through, like maybe you joined the show late.
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He's promoting that a Doug Hagman interview is going to start as soon as the show restarts.
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Okay.
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So just listen to this really quick.
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I'm going to go into retransmission now because I've already gone 20 minutes into overdrive.
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And again, I'm under the weather.
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So it's hard for me to talk with this chest cold.
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I thought was just allergies.
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So I'm going to go work on some things for the nightly news coming up tonight.
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7 o'clock.
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Watch out.
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The info works dot com.
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A lot of key info.
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The Dean of the Doug Haglin.
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Um, just real quick Haglin.
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Well, he's confusing Doug Hagman and Dean Haglin, the guy from the X-Files spinoff show
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The Lone Gunman.
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It would be more fun if he went with my nickname, Hag Dougman.
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Dean Haglin is someone who Alex has also used as a source on stuff before.
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So it's, it's a lot of hags in his radar.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's, you know, normal for him to, uh, think of, uh, Dean Haglin.
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It's not just like the X-Files or something like that, but, uh, it is funny that he can't
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remember his own guests names.
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Interview is coming up with the Homeland Security confirming source that they are
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stalking me.
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And again, they do this to make me sound crazy when I talk about it.
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And then also try to intimidate me because they know the general public just does not
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understand the stuff you see in movies.
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So much stuff I've seen in movies.
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That's based on real stuff that goes on.
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So please pray for us.
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So what Alex is expressing there is the same thing that people who, uh, believe in like
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gang stalking, uh, you know, you know, that whole thing.
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No, what's gang stalking?
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There's a phenomenon where a lot of like, there's a form of paranoia where people
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believe that, uh, random people are following them.
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Yes.
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And that, that sort of, uh, that's what Alex is, uh, sort of manifesting here.
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And, uh, Dean Haglin, Doug Hagman, uh, he, with his fake DHS source is lending
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credibility to Alex's idea that when he was in New York, everyone was trying to get him.
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And that's bad.
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Yeah.
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That's not great.
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And then for Alex to be like the things you see in movies that's based on real life is
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also to really make crystal clear his break with dealing with reality on reality's terms.
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If it would be interesting.
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Cause if I agreed with Alex principally on like issues, I'd still be like, that's a,
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that's a, that person's nuts.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But like, it's one of those things where if you told me that you were in Mexico and
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people were like, they were hounding me.
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If you told me that I would be like, I got to get a new co-host or I got to get you some
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help or I've become even more entertaining.
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Well, certainly our ratings could go up.
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I exploited your, your, uh, your break with reality, your mental, uh, breakdown.
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Uh, but yeah, I'd be worried about that.
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It's one of those things where he, he says that he says that they're literally doing
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it to make him sound crazy.
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And then he says, uh, it's just like in a movie, what happens they're doing to me, which
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makes him sound crazy.
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So his, his like secret argument is obviously, well, see, I told you they were trying to
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make me sound crazy because I just sounded crazy.
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It makes perfect sense.
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That's another piece of the gang stalking stuff too, is the idea of like doing it not
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to actually stock or anything, but to elicit the reaction of you saying you're being
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stalked by everybody, uh, which will then discredit other things you have to say.
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You want, you want people to think I'm crazy.
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That's what you want to do.
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And sure I'm peeing myself right now in front of that child, but it doesn't mean I'm crazy.
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It means they're watching me.
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Right.
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So, uh, we get to the 11th and, uh, Alex opens up the show with, uh, I don't want to call
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it uncharacteristic sales thing.
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Cause it's, you know, it's not that uncommon, but yeah, like starting the show with a sales
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pitch is a little bit, uh, uh, less common.
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And I think it actually illustrates something really important that I want to talk about.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday.
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This is your captain speaking.
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We've got some really rough turbulence coming up ahead.
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So strap yourselves in.
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It is Friday, the 11th day of January, 2013.
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You can see the shirt I'm wearing come and take it.
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A variant of the famous Texas saying the start of the Texas revolution for independence
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against Santa Ana.
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When he came to confiscate the guns and in Gonzalez, Texas, they hoisted up a flag with
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a cannon as the symbol and one white star saying, come and take it.
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And then inside of the t-shirt I'm wearing is a AK 47 and it says the right to keep and
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bear arms shall not be infringed.
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We just put this t-shirt up for sale, not starting the broadcast with a plug here for
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a product.
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I mean, I guess I am, but, uh, I was just looking at the shirt that I was wearing this
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morning and thought that I should mention it's now the best seller we've ever had of
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t-shirts only been selling for about a week and is set to sell out very soon, but never
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fear.
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We're getting more, more printed right here in the good old USA.
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Now here's what I want to say about this.
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So one of the pieces of the Sandy Hook lawsuit, um, is about Alex's profiting off of his
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coverage of Sandy Hook.
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Right.
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And Alex makes the argument that, Hey, I didn't make any money off of the yeah, but do, but
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do.
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And I do think it would be hard to trace necessarily some of the specifics of it.
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But I think that this clip is a pretty good illustration of exactly how he's profiting
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off this.
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Now the intrinsically super evil behavior of the crisis actors stuff is only starting
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to bubble to the surface at this point.
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But Alex is making a lot of money selling these shirts.
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It's the best seller shirt that he's ever had and he's only been selling it for a short
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period of time.
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They come and take it with an AK 47 on it.
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Now he's selling these shirts explicitly through the coverage of his show where he's saying
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that everyone is coming to take your guns.
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The shirt is a representation of his rhetoric that is come and take it.
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You want to take my guns?
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If he hadn't whipped his audience into a frenzy of like, they are immediately going to come
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and take your guns, his shirt wouldn't sell that well.
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The rhetoric serves as a de facto sales pitch for this shirt.
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Now the thing that's important is the reason the rhetoric is so strong in the time that
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we're looking at here at the beginning of 2013 is because Alex is using the idea of
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the response that people are having to Sandy Hook as his rationalization for they're about
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to take your guns.
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So he's using Sandy Hook as the excuse they will use to take your guns, which is what
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he is using to fuel his rhetoric, which is what is selling these shirts.
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So on a sort of tertiary second, third-hand level, his response to Sandy Hook is responsible
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for this shirt being a bestseller.
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There is a pretty clear path through that.
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Yeah, I would agree.
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That's not making a crazy assumption.
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He's not dealing with Sandy Hook as a real event, saying it is either manufactured or
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whatever, is what's behind his ability to market this shirt in the way that he's clearly
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been successful in doing.
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So I don't know if this is usable in any way for the lawsuit's purposes, but I think
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you can see that he does profit off his behavior.
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Oh, of course.
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The things that he's doing that are inappropriate directly lead to sales.
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Yeah, I mean, just the repetition of his dumb ideas.
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Whenever he's using that fear of monetary collapse to fuel gold sales, you know, that
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whole thing, this is a bit, it's like one step removed because you're making people
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believe crazy things and people are all saying these crazy things and they're being roundly
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mocked for it, isolating them and creating a tight-knit group of these people.
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Yeah.
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All of whom want to represent themselves as being a part of this group.
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And how would you do that without a uniform slash t-shirt that says and signals clearly,
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I'm one of these guys?
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Yeah, like you're saying, it's a step removed from like a more crystal clear example, but
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I think the line is just as direct.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Like it's a...
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I agree.
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It's a good reminder that like there is what sometimes appears to be principled can also
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be looked at as a financial motivation.
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Now, naturally the problem with that argument, of course, is that he uses that regardless
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of the event, you know, like anything happening whenever he's talking about the gun grabbing.
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Right.
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I suppose the only thing that makes this one different in particular is that the shirt
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comes out so soon after the event.
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Because if it's a new shirt, that suggests they are capitalizing on...
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It does suggest that.
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Yes, it does.
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As opposed to a shirt that was, you know, he's been yelling about gun grabbing since,
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you know, 1990s.
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Right.
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A shirt he makes then doesn't have the same closeness to the event.
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But also just because he's been yelling about gun grabbing forever doesn't mean that it
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takes on the same character as it has in this period that we're looking at.
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That's certainly true, yeah.
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It's incessant gun talk in this time.
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All of these guests are consistently Stuart Rhodes, Larry Pratt, other gun weirdos.
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Yeah.
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It's almost the only issue that he's even covering from this time right after Sandy
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Hook to January 11th that we're at now.
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Right.
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Like other stretches of time that we've looked at, whether it's 2009, 2015, obviously there's
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shades of guns everywhere.
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But it's not like this.
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No, you're right.
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This is focused and it's focused because what he believes and what he's misrepresented about
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Sandy Hook.
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So as you're saying, capitalization through monetized shirt sales.
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It's very direct.
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Now, this shirt has a Latin phrase on it.
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And it's interesting that Alex doesn't know how to say it.
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How do you say that in Latin?
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Mona Lebe, or am I pronouncing that wrong?
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Come and take it.
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Now, here's what I have to say about that.
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2013 is way too late for Alex to not know how to say Molon Labe.
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It's such a huge part of his vernacular.
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It's huge.
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It's like him not being able to say Posse Comitatus.
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Like it's insane to me the idea that in January of 2013, he doesn't know how to say fucking
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Molon Labe.
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He only reads it, Dan.
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He's never heard anybody actually say it out loud.
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You and I both know that he is illiterate, especially in foreign languages.
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That's probably true.
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So that brings us to the end of the 11th.
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It is trash.
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It is just wall to wall Piers Morgan.
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Oh boy.
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It the only things that were interesting at all in that show is the shirt plug and him
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not being able to say Molon Labe.
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I really need you to confirm that his show is three hours long.
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It is.
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That that seems insane to me.
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It is just such dog shit.
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It was one of the worst episodes I've ever listened to.
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Now, that's great.
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Now in a vacuum, had I not listened to, I don't know, 13 other hours of him yelling
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about Piers Morgan, maybe the 11th would have been fresh.
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He could have, you know, maybe it would have been, but it's just like, I don't, I don't,
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I can't.
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If that was somebody's time travel before we, before we started the investigation.
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Oh, that might've been fun to talk about him bitching about.
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It could have been interesting.
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Yeah.
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Possibly.
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But it wasn't.
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So now we jumped to the 13th, which is a Sunday in this, in this first clip, he makes it even
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more clear the connection between Sandy Hook and, uh, you know, two stages removed this
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shirt.
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I'm always chomping at the bit to get back on air and expose corruption and defend our
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precious constitutional Republic.
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We're now more than a month into the gun grab push on Sandy Hook.
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And we know exactly what they're doing.
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They're coming for our guns, but that signifies a lot more.
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What does it signify?
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Why are they so desperate to get the firearms now?
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Ooh, Ooh.
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I know.
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I know.
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Jordan, I'll call on you for an answer.
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Uh, a lot of kids are being murdered.
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Now that's an interesting theory.
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Yeah.
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Alex would say you're incorrect because the gun culture is so cool.
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Oh, and they're the only ones who can defeat the globalist.
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Therefore the globalist needs to disarm them as opposed to the idea of like a lot of, a
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lot of kids keep getting shot.
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Maybe we should have fewer shot kids.
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Yeah.
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That seems like a, like, I don't know if you've met my, my dude, uh, OCam.
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I've only ever read it.
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I've never heard it pronounced, but OCam's razor.
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Have you ever heard of that guy?
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Uh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It suggests that maybe the simplest explanation, simplest explanation is that for, uh, ever
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there has been a secretive group.
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I'm already off the rails.
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That doesn't, that doesn't sound right, but no.
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Uh, but Alex might know about this OCam and his shaving accoutrement.
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Yeah.
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Had he gone to college, he might know about that.
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Watch out for Chekov and his, uh, his gun.
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Right.
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Alex would be so into Chekov having a gun.
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He would know about any of these things if he'd gone to college, but as we know, he didn't.
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No, but that does not stop him from waxing poetic about college years in this next clip.
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That can't be.
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This is how they maneuver your country towards economic destruction.
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Everybody remembers when you were in college and living in a dormitory and had no money,
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every two jobs.
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Those of us that put ourselves through college, you didn't go to college.
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You work at two jobs.
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He didn't have two jobs when he was in junior college.
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No fucking junior college for a little bit and dropped out.
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He's expressing a sort of an archetype of an experience that he didn't live.
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And a lot of people also didn't live.
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Like most community colleges, if I remember correctly, uh, I went to one for a half semester
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and at no point in time do they, uh, offer onsite housing.
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I think, I don't know if all junior and community colleges are that way, but yeah,
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the ones that I knew of in Columbia, Missouri definitely didn't have dorms.
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No.
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Why would you have a dorm?
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But you know, like a state school does, you know, the kind of school Alex didn't go to.
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The kind that he didn't go to.
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Yeah, the university.
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Yeah, they have dorms.
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Um, I don't know, maybe he lived in a hostel.
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I don't know, man.
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Yeah, he could have lived in a hostel.
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But he's just trying to...
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With his CIA dentist dad who happens to have quite a bit of money.
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He's trying to co-opt other people's experiences and just be like, hey, you know what it was
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like for us?
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You, you know, uh, you know what it was like when we watched Animal House and we saw all
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the things that people probably didn't do?
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Yeah, those things.
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So this clip made me excited, uh, because Alex is excited.
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It's infectious.
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Okay.
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It's infectious.
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I don't know if this is true.
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Why are they coming after the guns right now?
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What does that signify?
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But I will say this, if we get this fish in the boat, tomorrow is a show you're not going
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to want to miss.
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And I don't count my chickens before they're hatched.
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It looks like the fish, knock on wood, is in the boat already.
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But until I am back at home base on dry land, uh, I am not going to celebrate this until
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the fish, very nice fish, by the way, uh, is in studio with us.
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Uh, so tomorrow 11 AM to 2 PM, you do not want to miss the broadcast.
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I will just say that.
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We've got a big guest coming tomorrow.
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Okay.
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Big guest.
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Your eyes betray you.
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I don't know.
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I mean, who could it be?
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Who could it be?
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This is, Alex is so excited about this guest.
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It's probably just Ron Paul again.
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No, Ron Paul was on yesterday and he didn't build it up like that at all.
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Just like, ah, my boy Ron's coming on.
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Ooh, uh, Charlie Sheen.
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No.
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Uh, uh, they, uh, the bells.
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Is it the bells?
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No.
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Although we are now going to have a guessing game for the next half hour where you try
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and guess who this is because it will be fucking impossible.
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Uh, Piers Morgan.
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No.
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God damn it.
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Um, Charlie Sheen.
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No.
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Uh, Denise Richards-Pugg.
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No, that was a tragic situation.
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Sheek.
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Well, it was a lot of people, it was a fad.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And who's, who's at the forefront other than, uh, celebrities?
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Absolutely.
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Um, let's see.
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A big get.
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Big.
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Big get.
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Big.
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Is it, it wouldn't be a politician though, right?
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Who knows?
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It's, I mean, it could be a big politician.
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Like who?
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Obama.
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It's not Obama.
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It's not Obama.
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I'll tell you that.
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Uh, I'm going to go with a different way.
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Is he going to go with Rainbow Snatch?
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No.
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Oh shit.
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She is nowhere near in play in 2013.
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Okay.
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Um, uh, 2013, big get.
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Oh my God.
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Roger Stone.
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No.
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God damn it.
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I don't know.
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I was really hoping that that one.
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2013, I don't think they even know each other because they meet at a JFK convention in 2013.
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Right.
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So I think they probably haven't even met yet.
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It's not Roger Stone.
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Okay.
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It's not Paul Manafort.
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Okay.
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It's not Gates.
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It's not Papadopoulos.
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It's no one involved in the Russia investigation.
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Okay.
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So definitely not Comey.
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It's not Mueller.
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Uh, let's see.
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Is it, is it somebody who will, who will not surprise me after I know it?
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I don't know how to answer that question.
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That is a really good point.
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That question is impossible to answer.
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It is.
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All right.
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Uh, one last one.
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I'm going to swing for the fences.
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Janet Jackson.
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It's not.
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Okay.
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And also that can't be the last one, quite frankly, because this, this guessing game
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a hundred percent needs to continue.
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I want to see just how low you can go while still being way too high.
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Okay.
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Um, ah shit.
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Is it, uh, uh, Sargon?
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Of Akkad?
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Yes.
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No.
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God damn it.
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Uh, is it British?
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No.
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Okay.
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Uh, are we playing?
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20 questions, let's play 20 questions.
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Let's play five questions.
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I'll give you five questions and then we'll move on.
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Cause this might be infuriating for the audience.
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Uh, is, is it somebody famous?
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Like we're like mainstream, uh, what's their Q rating?
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Can you rephrase that question?
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Uh, are they, are they well known?
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No.
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Okay.
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Are they unknown?
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Yes.
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That's going to make this difficult.
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Are they unknown unknown?
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The fact that Alex is so excited about this guest is so crazy.
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He's a big fish.
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You have two questions or you have three questions left.
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Okay.
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So it's not a YouTube star.
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Sort of, sort of, sort of.
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Oh boy.
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In 2013.
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Yes.
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Is it somebody under 25?
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Uh, no, no, no.
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Is it an old person?
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Oh shit.
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I'm past six.
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Uh, shit.
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Is it, and it's, who would go on the show?
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Is it PewDiePie?
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No.
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Oh, no, he's, he's why he's wildly famous at this point in time.
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Yeah, that's all I got.
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It's someone named Michelle Dowry.
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That cannot be.
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And as far as I can tell, she's notable as being in like a viral video.
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Uh, where she's the Obama phone lady.
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Really?
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That would have been pretty tough for you to guess.
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That would have been pretty tough.
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Cause I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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Obama phone?
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She's an Obama phone?
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Well, no, there was that idea that Obama was buying poor people phones and stuff like that.
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That like poor people just support Obama cause he promised them phones.
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Oh, okay.
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Uh, whatever.
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That's stupid propaganda narrative.
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Well, she got them.
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She was in a video where she was the Obama phone lady.
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Uh, and Alex has got her big git.
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Big git.
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Big git.
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From 11 to two.
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Uh huh.
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And, and I, and let me, let me ask this question.
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What else would she be doing?
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Um, during that time?
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Yeah.
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Like why would he say that it's possible that they didn't get her?
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I don't know.
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Maybe like, uh, she missed a connecting flight.
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Maybe she would miss the show or something like that.
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Oh, she's going to be in, she's going to be in the studio.
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Oh, she probably just had to take a day off from her day job.
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Um, she comes in and I believe that what she ends up talking about is a ton of like, uh,
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ideas that she helped illegals vote.
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Uh, sure, sure you did.
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Sure you did.
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That's definitely something that you would say out loud in public.
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Hey, I committed a crime.
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A federal, uh, mass amounts of federal crimes.
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I've got a maximum of five years.
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So look, we're not going to cover the 14th on this episode, but I knew that with that
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tease, I could not possibly not tell you who the person was.
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Cause you're expecting something.
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Something.
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It's not something.
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It's not something.
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Alex is so excited about nothing.
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I'm terrified.
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I don't want to listen to this episode.
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Uh, this 14th episode.
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Cause I scanned it on YouTube.
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She's there the whole episode, pretty much the whole, it's going to be weird.
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Um, but let's get back to, let's get back on track.
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Okay, January 13th, um, Alex, uh, in this next clip, he lies about, uh, some primary
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sources, um, and then again, manifests how he doesn't understand the difference between
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fiction and reality.
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This is social engineering.
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And so many of them like Bertrand Russell, you name it, wrote books about how they would
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domesticate us, how they would create this nanny state.
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You see movies like demolition man that came out in the nineties with, um, Sylvester Stallone.
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You're like, man, why is that?
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Why are we becoming that movie where the nanny state's a police state and everybody's surveilled?
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How did they know that they didn't, they didn't just, the government's not imitating demolition
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man.
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Now, demolition man is basically written along the lines of the type of world the system
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wants to build.
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Demolition man is reality, cool, predictive programming vis-a-vis demolition man.
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One, one very good thing about that is we will finally really understand what the three
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seashells do.
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I don't look forward to that.
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I got to know, I need that mystery resolved.
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The thing about Bertrand Russell that he's talking about is a book that Alex takes severely
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out of context where Bertrand Russell is talking about the idea of a, like what would have
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happened if the Nazis had won world war two and became a technological dictatorship and
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the idea of the type of world that a nefarious, uh, evil system with the, uh, uh, help of
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technology would create.
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It's not talking about we should do this.
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It's talking, it's a thought experiment of what we could have seen in the world had things
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gone a different way.
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And it's talking about it very explicitly as a negative thing and something we are lucky
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is not the case.
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Yeah.
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So, um, already we've seen, uh, since Alex went to go talk to Piers Morgan, we've seen
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him say that he did what he did because it was right, basically, you know, like, well,
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that's later, that's the later edition of the Excuser.
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I was at a chest cold and police kept fucking with me, therefore I yelled at him.
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Right. Therefore I yelled at him, um, Alex has another version of what happened and what
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led him to do what he did, uh, in this next club.
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If you really want to know why I blew up at Piers Morgan, it it's because now in hindsight,
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I'm just tired of being lied to.
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I'm calling their bluff.
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I'm not playing games with them.
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I know they're authoritarians and I don't think it's funny.
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You can't use that as an excuse.
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You're 20 years into your career.
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You've been tired of being lied to forever.
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That's not new.
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Your default position is tired of being lied to and you're lying to everybody.
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Well, it's like, uh, Bruce Banner.
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It's Bruce Banner and the Avengers.
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The trick is he's always angry, Dan.
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See, I'm tired of Alex lying to everybody.
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I wouldn't yell at him like, like he did to Piers Morgan.
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Yeah.
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But I'm equally sick of Alex lying.
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Yeah.
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It's not a good excuse.
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You're just acting like a child and want it.
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And he just, the reason that he keeps coming up with fucking excuses and like ragging and
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like rationalizations for why he behaved the way he did is because he can't come out and
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say, I knew it would get ratings.
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Even though he insinuates that he's keenly aware of that.
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He, he, he, he has indications that he knows exactly what was going on, but he's very clear
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and he's just like, they have a platform where I can access people who would never listen
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to my show of their own accord.
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I can act super dramatic and interesting and that will make other people talk about me
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and bring in even more viewers who will then buy my bowling Libby shirt.
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And if I make an ass of myself, well, the next night Piers Morgan is going to talk about
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my show when I'm not there.
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So I get two days.
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If I was just in the daily show and they're all going to make fun of me.
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Yeah.
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If I was just on there and was fine, it's an interview that's there and disappears.
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Right.
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Joel Skousen shows up for an interview on the 13th and he's talking to the scouts, man.
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That's right.
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Uh, whose uncle wrote a book, his uncle wrote a book called, so you want to raise a boy?
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Uh, fun stuff.
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W Cleon Skousen, total weirdo.
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Yeah.
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Um, but like Skousen is on and he even makes the point that like in the days after Alex
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was on Piers Morgan's show, he had, um, like, uh, the, uh, Larry Pratt was on again and
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Ben Shapiro came on, but pre-fame Ben Shapiro came on and they were making similar arguments
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about not wanting gun control and no one was talking about them being on, but Alex being
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on everyone was talking about because he made a pageant out of it.
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He made a show of it and that's really all that he can't come out and say that because
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it cheapens any, uh, idea that he cares.
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Right.
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And, but that's the reality.
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Skousen can come out and say it.
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He can, he can definitely point the way.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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As Skousens are known to do.
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Yeah.
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Wow. So you want to raise a boy.
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So you want to make a publicity stunt.
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There you go.
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They've got a whole series of, so you want to use, but only for right-wing causes.
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So when we were looking at 2009, Alex hated Michael Savage.
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He would constantly call him Michael Wiener, uh, cause that's his real name.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, talk about how he was a dick and all this stuff.
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Uh, it turns out, uh, by 2013, Alex likes Michael Savage.
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Yay.
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I learned, um, Man Cow was on the other day and he was talking about Michael Savage was
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listening to send him a text on other friends.
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He didn't say that.
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He said Man Cow, when he was on said, I know that Michael Savage is listening.
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Nothing to it.
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Didn't say anything about a text, anything like that.
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Alex is just making that up.
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And what Man Cow told me, another little bird told me
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that Michael Savage has people following him and stuff.
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And he's had to get bodyguards and it's just like, man, is somebody really following me?
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Cause the next person that follows me is going to get a problem.
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The next person you hear that road warrior music right there.
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Does that give me an idea?
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Literally, we'll be right back.
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So Alex knows how damaging it is to have people harass you and stalk you.
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So this is another pillar of like his self-defenses about, uh, his behavior vis a vis Sandy Hook
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that just really falls, falls by the wayside.
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Like his perceived, uh, you know, being harassed and stuff like that.
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Like his, his idea that people are doing this when it's clearly him writing a novel of his
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time in New York.
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The idea that he is so clearly able to tell why that would be traumatizing to a person
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really makes it difficult for him to discount the experience that so many other people have
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had who were on the other end of his rhetoric.
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Right.
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It makes it very, it's a difficult pill to swallow.
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Now, on the other hand, if he, if he is lying about this and he's aware that he's lying
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about it, as opposed to not really being able to tell the difference between fantasy and
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reality, then he may connect lying about people being stalked to Sandy Hook people saying
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that he's lying.
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Exactly.
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Therefore they must think that everyone is also lying.
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Exactly.
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That is probably at least subconsciously somewhere in there.
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Yeah, I mean, it would, it would make sense.
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It matches with his fucked up frame.
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It would make sense based on that deposition of him, like just absolutely not caring or
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understanding why the Sandy Hook people are suing him, period.
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It's like, he just always assumed that they were lying, that everybody who did come to
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their house was an agent of the government in some way, the same way that he is being
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followed or he's not being followed.
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Do you know?
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Yeah.
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It's something that just hit me while you were talking.
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It might be a little bit unrelated, but it's something that I've been...
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Something I was thinking about completely different.
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No, no, no, no.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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It has to do with what you were talking about, but it might be slightly off topic.
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Yeah.
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And that's something that I've been thinking about as I've been listening to these episodes.
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It's like, there is a real sense that Alex doesn't care about Sandy Hook.
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Like I know that that's...
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Absolutely.
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That might be water under the bridge and taken as read by everybody who's listening, but
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it is something that's very strange to me that there isn't, like Alex talks about what
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he did in Sandy Hook, like in the deposition and on his show now.
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He's like, I barely covered it, blah, blah, blah, that sort of thing.
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It wasn't a big deal to me.
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And his behavior was a big deal to people on the other end of it and stuff like that.
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But I think spiritually, he might not be lying.
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I think that there is a sense that I get from listening to these episodes that he doesn't
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give a shit.
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Yeah.
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The idea that people died and that it ruined a lot of people's lives.
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Yeah.
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I don't think that there's very little recognition that he gives a shit about their pain.
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And then secondarily, how he gets so distracted by a whole week basically talking about Piers
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Morgan and not really covering anything except for little tiny flashes here and there before
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he gets back to talking about how there were detectives that walked into a wall or something
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like that when he was in New York.
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It indicates to me that what he wants to talk about is his shit and he doesn't care.
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He doesn't give a shit about Sandy Hook.
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Well, I imagine that there is a certain amount of normalization that goes along with his
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view of school shootings as well.
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This isn't his first rodeo.
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I assume there's part of him that wonders why it is that the Sandy Hook people are suing
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him whenever so many other parents have it.
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You know, I imagine that if we go back through many school shootings, his reaction to that
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is they're trying to take our gun.
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Well, certainly since.
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So it's almost like it's muscle memory for him.
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He doesn't even think it's real.
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Right.
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In the same way that somebody who, a war correspondent will have a different concept of
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like what's super important as opposed vis-a-vis a bomb going off nearby.
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Right.
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You know.
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I'm not saying that it's super weird considering his psychology or anything like that.
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I just think it's weird.
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Yeah.
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That's all right.
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You know, it's weird to go back to this time and just get the sense that he doesn't care.
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Yeah.
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Man, that's that's more like what you would hope.
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You'd hope to hear more empathy and humanity and somebody.
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And it just seems absent.
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It's mostly about himself, the entire when there is the opportunity to talk about himself
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and create sort of a heroic version of his day to day events.
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Yeah.
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That's what he prioritizes.
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Right.
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Meanwhile, he talks about how, like, I don't want to talk about myself.
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This isn't Gonzo journalism or whatever.
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But that's that's his impulse every single fucking time.
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God, that's so disappointing.
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It's weird.
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So one of the other things that is a sort of a benefit of being able to go back and
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forth in time is that we can see what's true in the present and see if it's true in the
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past.
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And one of those things is in the present day, not too long back, maybe a couple months
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back, we talked about an episode where Alex is talking about how because of his super
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thick neck and his terrible sleep apnea, he has like 60 percent oxygen diminishing in
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his brain when he sleeps.
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He has to sit on a chair and barely is able to sleep.
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He has terrible, terrible sleep problems.
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And one of the things that I've always wondered is how far that goes back.
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At what point did that become a part of his experience in life?
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And could that possibly explain any of the deterioration that we've seen in the years?
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Yeah, in the recent years.
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Yeah, that's a valuable.
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And I'm no doctor.
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I can't say that this is evidence of anything.
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But this next clip is a very strong indication that Alex Jones did not suffer from any of
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these problems in 2013.
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And so now they send a death squad to your house.
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And if you move, you die, which is really creepy because I sleep where freight trains
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can be driving by.
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At least I was in the past.
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I don't sleep as well as I used to.
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I guess I'm getting older.
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I wake up sometimes, but you can have freight trains going by sometimes.
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I don't wake up.
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I mean, what if guys bust in and they scream hands up and then you reach for the light
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and they're wearing night vision and then they kill you or they shoot you 16 times?
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So I mean, the paranoia is consistent throughout and all that sort of stuff.
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But what he's reporting is like he used he can sleep through a freight train, maybe wakes
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up a little bit in the night.
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You know, he's getting older.
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That sort of thing.
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It's nowhere near the level of traumatic sleep experience that he talks about in the
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present day.
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Maybe you should get a prostate exam.
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Maybe.
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That's not a bad idea.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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But if you take him at his word, what you see is a dramatic shift in sleep health.
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And not to say that that explains or makes it okay.
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But it's interesting.
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It's interesting to note that that probably might be a more recent development in his
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health.
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That's yeah, that's something to file away under evidence.
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It's not.
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It's not a smoking gun.
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It's not.
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It's nothing.
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File it under tidbit.
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It's a fun fact.
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Sure.
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Fun fact.
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Fun fact.
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Alex could sleep at 2013.
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So if we were in the early 2000s, that would be part of the pop up video that VH1 would
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show.
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There would be a little bubble that pops up and go in 2012.
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He didn't have any neck issues.
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I didn't say that.
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Yeah.
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Still probably going to think.
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Well, he still probably got that.
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Yeah, anyways.
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So when we were talking about the Piers Morgan stuff, I wanted to make very clear that Alex
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had a very legitimate complaint, and that was that Buzz Bissinger, Piers Morgan's guest
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on the Next Night show, did say that Piers Morgan should shoot Alex.
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Yeah, Buzz Bissinger did say that.
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At least very strongly implied it.
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Yeah.
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He used language that very clearly made it seem that that was what he was saying.
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Pop said Buzz Bissinger.
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Yes, that is...
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I like saying his name.
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Buzz.
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The way he said it was very clear in his intention.
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But at the same time, I've had enough conversations with people where I have not actually even
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heard what they've said and just moved along.
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Yeah.
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You know, I've listened to episodes of our show, and thankfully it's not very often,
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but you'll say something and I'm like, yep, absolutely.
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And then I'll be editing it and I'll listen back.
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I'm like, why did I agree to that?
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It doesn't happen much, but there have been occasional times, and I can see the guests...
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Let's start a fire.
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Yep.
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Okay, moving on.
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All right.
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I could see the other guests on Piers Morgan's show when they were like, yeah, I'd like to
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see that.
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They could have interpreted it being like a boxing match and you punch Alex.
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Right.
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You pop him one in the jaw, that sort of thing.
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So their agreement with him, I don't think is as damning as Buzz Bissinger's comments
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actually were.
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Right.
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That's entirely possible.
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They were also thinking of what they wanted to say next, and they were just laughing and
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agreeing to move along.
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A hundred percent.
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Yeah.
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That's absolutely...
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I didn't hear what you said because I was thinking of something that I was about to
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say.
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Yeah, there's versions of performative conversations that easily could explain them not agreeing
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that Alex should be shot, but still appearing to because they missed what Buzz was saying
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or something like that.
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Yeah.
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So whatever the case, I think Alex has a valid complaint.
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He's making too much out of it.
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But now on the 13th here, on January 13th, I think he's crossed the line because now
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Alex has successfully turned it into a victimhood propaganda narrative that no longer matches
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the actual interview.
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We're in a crisis.
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Only getting angry gives us a chance to wake people up.
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Okay?
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So here they are the next night talking about how I need to be popped with a semi-auto.
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Whoa!
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And then the bimbo and then the host say, oh, you could dress up in a uniform because
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it's okay if it's the government.
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And he goes, yes, I'll wear my brother's uniform.
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It's in the army.
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Oh, yes.
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We'll kill him.
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Imagine if I did this.
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So the thing that I take issue with is he's just completely twisting it now.
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And he goes on and on about the idea of like, the reason they were saying the uniform thing
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is because they're trying to enforce like that it's okay for murder to be done by officials
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of the state.
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Yeah.
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And that sort of thing.
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It's like, okay, you were right to complain about Buzz Bisinger and maybe you should have
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filed some sort of an action or a complaint.
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Like, I don't know what would be appropriate to do in that situation, but you could probably
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do something with what Buzz Bisinger said.
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But he doesn't want to do that.
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He wants to turn it into this narrative where they're all like, oh, wouldn't it be great?
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Oh, wouldn't it be great to kill him?
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I have a problem with him calling her a bimbo.
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Totally.
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That's a big issue for me.
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Yeah, that's not positive.
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The bimbo and the host?
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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That wasn't the end of the Gilligan's Island theme song.
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Um, yeah, so that like, uh, the naked trucker and Dave.
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Sure.
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T-bones.
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Yeah.
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So that's, that's what he does.
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Like he, he takes, and this is why it's very difficult sometimes to agree with him because
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the agreement that I have is that Buzz was out of line.
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And now that agreement could easily be twisted into appearing that I agree with this, what
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he's doing now.
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He has now taken his narrative that I could have gotten on board with and turned it into
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something that I am no longer on board with because he's manipulatively lying about it.
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Yeah, he lets you off the hook.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Now in this next clip, he's successfully transmuted another piece of that next day of Piers Morgan's
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show, which I was never on board with.
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And now I'm even further off board with.
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And by the way, then they start talking about, I hope nothing happens to his children.
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And then these weird looks on their faces.
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Nothing happens to your children.
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No, there's such a nice people.
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That's not at all even close to what happened on the show and the way Alex is presenting
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it, he's making it seem like Buzz Bissinger and the other people in the same interview
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were talking about nothing happening to Alex's children when it was something that was stated
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earlier in the episode in a completely unrelated, different interview with a family member of
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someone who survived the Aurora or was killed in the Aurora shooting.
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Excuse me.
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And so like the idea, he's trying to present that those two things are connected.
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The Alex should be popped and then hope nothing happens to your kids.
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Yeah.
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Because if they are connected, it is much more nefarious.
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If Buzz Bissinger after saying that said, hope nothing happens to his kids, then you're
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like, oh, that is super fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But the reality that he's basing this on is not that at all.
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No, it was a, it was a man, a grieving man showing compassion and saying that he would
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never want anything like that.
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Somebody who would be not justified, but would be understandable should he say that Alex
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deserves some sort of punishment for this kind of rhetoric.
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He would never say, you know, I don't think you'd be justified, but you could understand
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the emotional place it might come from.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Not justified, but understandable.
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I think it would still be not understandable to say it on Piers Morgan.
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Well.
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So the, I know that we talked about this stuff already in the last episode and it's not like
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the idea that this this one part is a fair complaint.
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This other one is bullshit, that sort of thing.
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But the reason that I re-brought them up is I wanted to show you what they've become after
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a couple of days.
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Yeah.
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After it goes through the wash cycle of Alex repeating it over and over again, seeing what
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feels good.
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This is what comes out the other side.
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Yeah.
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So you take the Piers Morgan interview and then the next day Alex has the sort of rough
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version of his police harassment that he suffered and that sort of thing.
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Over the next couple of days, it becomes more detailed and more evolved.
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There's new wrinkles added to it as he goes along.
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It's like the Halloween story with the hat.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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You get Doug Hagman in there to give you some sort of a seemingly official backing of your
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paranoid fantasies and fictional retelling of the events.
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And that's what comes out the other end.
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In the same way the complaints about the next day's show on Piers Morgan, there's the rough
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primitive version of it that comes out immediately.
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Give it a couple days and the tumbling cycle comes out the other side of polished rock
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and that's what he's going to move forward with.
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The perception that, you know, they want to shoot me and they were insinuating they hope
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my kids get killed.
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Of course.
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Which is good.
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Awesome.
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Great.
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Thanks guys.
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So to get the taste of that out of our mouths, here's Alex singing along with a song you
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would not expect him to be singing along with.
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This is not old country.
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It's weird.
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Call me maybe?
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I would stand in line for this, there's always time in life for this, oh baby, oh baby.
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I'm going to call Moby.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Someone get Moby on the line.
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This is ridiculous.
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All right.
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Alex can't be singing along with Moby.
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It also sounds like, now it sounds to me like he very much owns the Big Chill soundtrack.
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It's possible.
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Yeah.
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Um, that's super weird.
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Uh, that's very, uh, sort of out of Alex's, uh, range, let's say.
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Everybody loves a little dance party from now on, now and again.
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Come on, you can't always be line dancing.
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Sometimes you got to get them hips involved.
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I agree, I agree.
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But more importantly than your hips, your hands are important.
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Well, neither of them lie.
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Well, the hips don't lie.
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Shakira has informed me of that.
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Well, the hands, yeah.
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My DHS source Shakira has informed me that hips are not deceitful, but your hands, they're
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not for dancing.
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That's true.
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They're putting together.
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Praying?
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Praying.
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Ah, gotcha.
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In this next clip, Alex brags about how much he prays.
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I mean, my, my life is like a movie, like an action movie.
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But because I, that just makes me know I'm that much more right.
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Like the last action hero.
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And because of that, it's literally, I pray to God every day, so many times a day.
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And years ago I prayed like once a day, I pray like 10 times a day now.
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I do.
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I pray all the time.
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I believe they're so holy.
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I think there's some verses about that.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh, there's very much the, you should not be publicly super stoked about your, your
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praying habits.
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Yeah.
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It seems, it seems out of line with some of the tenants.
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Yeah.
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Um, but at the beginning of the clip, I think it's also really interesting to hear him,
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like just constantly compare his life to a movie because we would do that too.
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But like in as much as movies aren't real.
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Right.
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You know, like what he's expressing is, is just such an enmeshed, uh, inability to present
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reality as reality.
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Right.
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It's so messed up.
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Yeah.
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When, when two chain says his life is like a movie, that's absolutely true.
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Oh, people who are like balling out of control.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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His life is like a movie.
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But not in the, not a spy thriller when people like, when rappers say their lives are like
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movies, they're talking about, they're not really meaning movies.
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They mean their lives are like what you imagine movie stars lives.
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Exactly.
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Uh, or a movie about affluence, uh, as opposed to Alex being like, I'm living the born identity
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or a movie about Tupac.
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Sure.
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Very much.
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So we have one more clip here and it's how Alex ends the show.
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Uh, he's taught, he's been taking some calls and they're all pretty boring.
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Um, but he gets this call from a lady who ran into Diane Feinstein and I believe Gloria
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Allred at a, at an abortion rally.
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Um, she doesn't have much to say about it.
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Um, but Alex walks into a bar.
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Right.
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Alex editorializes on her, uh, I guess celebrity sightings.
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Sure, sure.
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And then it's fun to see how he ends the show.
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90 or 91, I was in Irvine, California at a, uh, a pro I was, I'm pro-life abortion rally
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and I personally met Diane Feinstein and Gloria Allred and they are exactly what you said.
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Hard as nails, uh, you name it.
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No, no, they're demons.
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They're demons that they want us to be their slaves.
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I'm out of time tomorrow.
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11 AM central info wars.com.
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Huge in studio guests.
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That's all I'm going to say.
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You don't want to miss this.
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Really can't believe it's still, that's crazy.
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It can't be promoting this so fucking hard.
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It cannot be the Obama phone girl.
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That's the only guest he has the next day for the entire show.
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Almost.
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Okay.
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Maybe the real guest did cancel.
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Oh, that's an interesting theory.
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Billy Corgan's connecting flight didn't make it something like that.
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Well, it was going to be movie.
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Who knows?
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Also, by the way, this lady, um, with her complaints about Diane Feinstein and Gloria
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already hard as nails is not a negative.
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That seems like a compliment for sure.
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Back when I was a kid, uh, the, uh, the Mizzou basketball team was not good.
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It was not very good.
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No, uh, they were, they were pretty bad, but there was this guy on the team named Jason
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Sutherland.
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Who's a outside jumper artist.
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Real good three-point man.
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Okay.
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Second story man.
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He stole three pointers from everybody in the big eight.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Back then the big eight.
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That's the big eight.
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Um, and my dad with the way he'd always describe him as that guy's tough as nails because he
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was scrappy.
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He was small and, uh, he wasn't afraid to mix it up a little bit after the ball.
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Um, it was the prototypical compliment you give to a white guy on a basketball court.
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Yeah, or at least a small person, uh, who's still, uh, he's still getting in there.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Tough as nails.
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So the, and the idea that yes, Diane Feinstein for all her shortcomings.
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Absolutely.
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Like in terms of policy and stuff like that, she's tough as nails.
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Yeah.
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Look at where she got.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Gloria Allred.
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Gloria Allred is the most tough as nails.
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So I agree with this lady.
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Just not the application.
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These two women are tough as nails.
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You name it.
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Yeah.
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You bet.
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Yeah.
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In order to get where they are.
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Boy.
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And now Alex, they're demons.
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Yeah.
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Well, they're demons.
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Everybody knows that demons are also tough as nails though.
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Sure.
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That's one to one.
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Second story demons.
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Uh, demons steal you girl.
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So that brings us to the end of this episode.
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And I think that one of the things we see is a bit of a holding pattern.
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Um, Alex is so excited about his Piers Morgan appearance, how much attention he's getting
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from it.
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Um, and, and so much of it is very negative.
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Like the Conan and a daily show things.
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He plays them on his show and they're, they're pretty normal.
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Like not that bad.
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Um, in terms of like what I would call bad, like John Stewart is talking about, uh, the
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idea that, Oh, so what's going on?
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Because he plays the clip of Alex, uh, you know, screaming about, uh, Hitler took the
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gun.
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Stalin took the gun.
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Yeah.
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Nineteen, uh, that sort of thing.
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Um, and then the audience laughs.
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Right.
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You know, right.
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Norman, cause he's a clown.
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And John Stewart's analysis of it is, Oh, I see what's going on.
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Your fear of a possible dystopian future is stopping us from having a conversation about
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our dystopian presence.
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Yeah.
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And so there's like, it's a lot of negative attention that Alex is getting, but he's
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still able to use it like to do what he needs to do.
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Well, for the people that would be inclined to then go follow up and listen to Alex, there's
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a certain percentage that are going to, uh, misconstrue all of this coverage as them attacking
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Alex, thereby making his victim narrative all the more effective.
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Right.
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And the people who would listen to the daily show and think that John Stewart has a point
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aren't going to be listening to Alex for the most part.
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So you're kind of inoculated by that so you can play the daily show coverage and then
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scream about it a little bit or, or deflect from it, uh, without fear of people like,
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you know, John Stewart is right.
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Yeah.
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He literally has nothing to lose.
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If you're, if you're listening to Info Wars, you're not watching the daily show every
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night going, look at that liberal crusader.
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Yeah.
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So it's, it's interesting to see here in this time when so much is going on, like, uh, in
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terms of the aftermath of Sandy Hook, um, the, just the, the conversation that's going on
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in the world to see Alex take such a pit stop, uh, to just, just suck his own dong.
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It's, it's such grotesque navel gazing.
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It's really bizarre.
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Um, and I, I resented it a little bit in preparing this episode because I, I'm really
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invested in this 2013 period.
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Yeah.
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And we just get stuck in the mud here a little bit.
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Instead, we got a week of, uh, literal masturbatory content.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it is what it is, but, uh, you know, I can't handle it, man.
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If the Monday show, I mean, it won't be because he's got that big guest, but like, if the
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Tuesday show is just him yelling about Piers Morgan, like, I don't know what I'm going
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to do.
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How long, how many, how many weeks can this go on for?
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I'm going to lose my mind.
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Uh, just, I don't care.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Don't care anymore.
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Yeah. Um, so we'll see.
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We'll see what happens, but, uh, I'm, uh, I'm excited for it to be something different
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than this.
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I think we got through most of the mud, uh, of Alex's, uh, I'm awesome.
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Cause I was on CNN tour.
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Yeah.
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But, uh, yeah, we'll be back.
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Uh, but we have a website.
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We do have a website, knowledgefight.com.
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That's right there.
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You can get a shirt, you can support the show.
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You can do everything on our website.
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Uh huh.
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Um, we also are on Twitter.
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Knowledge underscore fight.
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And, uh, go to bed Jordan and we're also on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook and on iTunes.
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You can subscribe, leave a review rate.
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All of those things.
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Tell a friend each one teach one.
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Yeah.
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That'd be nice.
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Something along those lines.
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So Jordan, uh, I will, I will say that Alex's, uh, imaginary dorm roommate by virtue of not
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existing has never killed anybody.
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That's true.
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But one guy who has is that imaginary roommate's roommate who happens to be Alex Jones, who
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has technically probably killed a guy.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
