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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Got any hot sauce updates for us?
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Hot sauce updates.
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It's been a while since we've had hot sauce updates.
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Yeah, well I've said this privately in conversation with people,
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uh, I believe that I've found my, uh, hot sauce pepper.
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Oh really?
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I think.
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Oh, shit!
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I could be wrong about this.
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We got some big news on the hot sauce front!
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Well I got a selection of hot sauces from, uh, the Tears of Joy shop in Austin
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that I visited at the beginning of February.
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Right, right, right.
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And one of the, uh, one of them is sitting right there, you can see the Hydra.
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The Hydra.
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That has the, uh, a seven pot primo pepper.
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Right, hail Hydra of course.
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It's good, but it's a little bit, it's a little bit much.
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Okay.
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It's a little aggressive.
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That, well, that's also the Hydra in the Marvel universe.
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That's not it for me.
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I believe the other sauce, one of the other sauces I bought was a scorpion,
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uh, pepper, Trinidad scorpion, uh, sauce.
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And it was great.
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Just the right level of heat.
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A little bit scary at times.
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Yeah.
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The heat, but really easy, not easy, but enjoyable to ride out.
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The flavor was really good.
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There's a fruitiness to it.
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So I believe once I move into a new apartment and start up my pepper garden,
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one of the first things I'm going to mess around with is a couple different,
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uh, uh, strains of scorpion peppers.
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That sounds nice.
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Yeah.
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So there's an update for you.
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That is, that's great.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited about it.
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I like the update.
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Yup.
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They never name peppers like very gentle animals, do they?
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It's always gotta be something aggressive and poisonous.
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I think generally, venomous.
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Well, I mean, it is a poison, you know, like, isn't it?
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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I don't think it is.
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It's capsaicin is like a self-defense mechanism for the fruits of these plants.
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So if animals don't eat it, they know not to because it hurts them.
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Right, right, right.
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We're the only animal dumb enough to be like, just see how cool we can be.
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Cause it tastes good.
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You feel, you feel flush.
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You feel alive.
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Absolutely.
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I stopped doing LSD to focus on peppers.
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I don't know if there are any that are named after cuddly animals.
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I can't speak to that, but I was looking through a list of peppers,
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uh, just sort of like an anticipation of like, what, what, what, what kind of ballpark?
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Yeah, what kind of ballpark?
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Where should I start?
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Let me get a couple of goals.
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And I was just scrolling through this giant list.
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There was a pepper that just straight up looks like a dick.
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Okay.
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It is crazy.
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And it's called like a Peter pepper.
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Well, that's, that's a little bit on the nose, guys.
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I wouldn't have believed that existed if like, it wasn't like, nope, this is real here.
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Are pictures of it?
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It is a strain of pepper.
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Yeah.
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It's like, wow, how did that happen?
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I would like a pepper that is multicolored, uh, and shaped like a horn and you could call
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it my little pepper.
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That would be great.
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Okay.
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I'll work on that.
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I'll cross-pollinate.
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Do that.
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Do that.
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Get that going.
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If you're going to start growing peppers, you better start growing novelty peppers.
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That might be a little bit outside of my expertise and my green thumb abilities, but we'll try.
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Uh, I do not know a lot about growing peppers, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones and that's
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what this show is about.
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And I don't know anything about either.
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And you shall learn.
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I shall.
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I'll tell you what I know.
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Um, so Jordan, today we are going back to the past.
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We're going back to 2012, uh, to continue our, uh, looking into what Alex did, uh, did
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in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and how his reporting has taken shape and has been molding.
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Um, but before we get to that, I have to give a shout out to some people who have signed
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up and are supporting the show.
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Oh shit.
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First of all, Karen, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Karen.
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Thanks, Karen.
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Next Jimbo.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Jimbo.
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Thank you Jimbo.
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Like a good Jimbo.
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Oh yeah.
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Everybody likes a good Jimbo.
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Oh yeah.
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Next Arjun.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Arjun.
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Arjun.
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Arjun?
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A-R-J-U-N.
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That could be.
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I like to pronounce it that way.
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I may be wrong and I accept that in advance.
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Fair enough.
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Uh, next Nick.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Nick.
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Nick or Nike?
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Are you sure it's not Nike?
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It could be Nike.
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You could be mispronouncing all of these.
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Literally Karan.
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Uh, I believe that's her real name.
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Could be.
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Jimebo.
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Jimebo.
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Jimebo.
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I might be way off.
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But if I am, again, I apologize.
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Hey.
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And then we're done with it.
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Then we're done.
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Uh, next we have someone who donated a little bit of an elevated level.
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We appreciate it very much.
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So Trisha, thank you so much.
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You are now a globalist.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Thank you so much, Trisha.
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Thank you, Trisha.
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And finally, we have somebody who donated a little bit of an even more elevated level.
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Who is doing this?
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That oh so very much.
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So Keith S, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Keith.
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Thank you very much, Keith.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do.
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I'd like to support the show.
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You can do that by going to our website, hitting that button that says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Please do.
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Also, apologies.
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We have to say this every now and again.
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We are about a month behind in terms of shout outs.
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And that's just because there are a lot of people out there who are very generous and
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are very supportive and we appreciate it.
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And I'm sorry, I don't want to do a half hour of policy wonk things.
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And I don't want to lump a ton of people in with one sound effect.
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It kind of cheapens it for everybody.
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Everybody needs their own individual thing.
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I think we're at the maximum amount that we can do with any one episode while still giving
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everybody their place.
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Exactly.
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Otherwise we're just like, let's get through these donors, which is not how you treat people
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who care about you.
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Yeah, that's an asshole thing to do.
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So apologies that there's a little bit of a delay, but we appreciate your patience.
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Yes, we do.
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So today we're going over December 20th, 2012 and a little bit of the 21st.
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Right.
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The reason we're only doing...
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World's over.
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Well, yeah.
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The world ended.
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The reason that we're only doing a little bit of the 21st is because we've already done
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that episode.
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You can find it on our feed.
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Somewhere.
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It's back there.
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It's somewhere.
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We did that episode and it's mostly Alex talking to David Icke about how the world isn't ending,
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but there are reptilian overlords and it's very convoluted.
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Well, yeah, of course.
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But most of Alex's discussion was that day about the Mayan apocalypse stuff.
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So he doesn't talk too much about Sandy Hook, but there were a couple of clips that were
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from that episode that I've pulled just as a reminder so we don't skip entirely over
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the 21st.
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He did say that the Mayans were crisis actors who predicted the end of the world.
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Or maybe they were trying to change the timeline.
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Oh, that's true.
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We did learn that.
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Yeah.
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We learned that from Pierre Sabac.
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Ah, Pierre.
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Trey Maul.
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So in this first clip, we find where Alex's editorial position is here on the beginning
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of December 20th.
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In this system, being a winner, according to the establishment, is deceiving people.
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Playing you like you're dumb.
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And only when you're unconscious, only when you don't question, only when you're simple
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minded on purpose, only when you're willfully ignorant.
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Can they get away with this on you?
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Just like Connecticut having the four strongest gun laws.
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He tried to buy guns not once, not twice, not three times.
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We now learn five times the month before he supposedly did it.
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Even if you believe the official fable narrative Easter Bunny story.
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Isn't that how many times Peter denied Jesus?
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I'm not sure exactly.
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I have to brush up on my theology.
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Gotcha.
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Um, but, uh, so we have Alex coming out very clearly early on that the, uh, the official
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story is a Easter Bunny story.
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It's a fable.
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Yeah.
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Um, so, you know, you don't like to hear this the day after, because on the 19th, where
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we last left off the investigation, he was starting to suggest that, uh, the father who
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was interviewed, uh, was faking his grief and that people needed to investigate that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So for him to jump in here on the 20th and be like, this story is a fable, an Easter
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Bunny tale, it's not good.
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No, I don't.
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I'm not excited about that, but he does spend most of the time at the beginning of the show
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just talking about the establishment and the man and the system.
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You got to watch out for globalists.
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They're bad.
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They're everywhere, but it's all in sort of the, the ways you kind of expect, you know,
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in the Alex Jonesy ways.
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Yeah.
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And he's gone hard, uh, as he has been already to just gun defense, gun defense.
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So, and in our, uh, uh, ongoing segments, uh, ways that Alex portended his own descent
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into stupidity, he did say that the way that you win is by deceiving.
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And the only way that they can do that is if you are willfully, willfully ignorant.
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So it does kind of suggest that we're talking about him now.
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Um, so he starts the show on that sort of note and he gets, he gets pretty, uh, standard
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Alex Jonesy.
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And then he starts taking calls pretty early, which I'm not sure why he did that.
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It's kind of uncommon, uh, for him to actually want to and fulfill his, uh, promise to get
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to calls.
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Yeah.
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But he takes some calls.
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Um, and in this first clip, uh, this caller is talking about how back in the day police
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used to act differently.
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Um, and then Alex makes a declaration beat black people up.
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Well, wait, no, that's not different.
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Well, it's actually interesting cause that kind of relates to Alex's, uh, you'll see.
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Okay.
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When I would be walking down the street in my own neighborhood, I would often be stopped
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as a, as a young man and, uh, and have my pockets emptied and ID demanded of me and
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things like this randomly.
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Now this kind of thing has evolved now to, uh, serious searches, actually seizing people
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and things like that.
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Oh no, no, no.
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They've had something like a half a million searches a year now in New York city where
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they just, just street searches where they're now pulling pants off women.
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They're now, I mean, this is the new deal where you line up, I'm shoving my hand up
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you and this is the new freedom.
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In fact, the new handshake in America will probably become just bending over.
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I mean, I'm not kidding.
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Go ahead.
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So this caller is describing something from his childhood and he doesn't sound like a
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young man.
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Um, and then Alex is pretending that, uh, now things are getting real bad in New York
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city and he's trying to do that to suggest that the globalists are trying to bring in
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martial law here.
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So this is bullshit because Alex is presenting police behavior in New York as being indicative
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of the coming martial law and police state.
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But as he does so frequently, what he's doing is presenting a warp version of reality and
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completely erasing all context from the conversation.
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In this case, what Alex is talking about is the stop and frisk policy that the NYPD operated
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under to a particularly troubling extent from the early two thousands to about 2013.
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The policy was an outgrowth of the broken windows policing ideology that held the areas
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where petty crimes were higher served as Petri dishes in which larger, more serious crimes
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would naturally spring forth.
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Following that logic, the police prioritize stopping petty crimes like public urination,
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public transit fare evasion, and the like thinking that doing so would create an environment
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where more serious crime wouldn't take hold.
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How did that go?
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Didn't go great.
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Oh, that's the public facing part of the argument.
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In reality, it was just a way to shake down and terrorize minorities.
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In 2010, a police officer named Adrian Schoolcraft leaked secretly recorded tapes of police roll
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call meetings in the 81st district of the Bedford Stuyvesant area that clearly show
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the commanding officers explicitly telling their officers that they were going to be
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in trouble if they didn't reach their quotas of tickets and reports filed.
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Schoolcraft was detained and forcefully held at a mental hospital for six days in retaliation
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for leaking the tapes, ultimately being forced to pay $7,000 for his own imprisonment.
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At the practice's peak in 2011, 685,724 people were stopped and frisked in New York.
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Of these people, 88% were completely innocent of any crime, a number that is super consistent
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with yearly data analyzed by the New York Civil Liberties Union.
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In the years between 2002 and 2013, when the program was in full effect, the ratio of innocent
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people being stopped was never lower than 80%.
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Interestingly, in all those years you want to look at them, at any of them, the percentage
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of people being stopped and frisked who happened to be white was never higher than 12%.
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Odd.
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Which is strange considering that New York City is approximately 44% white demographically.
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Seems strange.
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Very.
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Seems out of control, really.
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In 2007, 85% of the people stopped were black or Latino.
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In 2008, 85%.
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In 2009, 87% with the same percentage in 2011 and 2012.
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When Alex talks about how the police shake people down in New York and doesn't bring
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this into the conversation, he's lying by omission.
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And he's doing so to express a white supremacist position.
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He's totally right that the police were way out of line in how they treated civilians
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in New York.
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But to pretend that an essential piece of the story wasn't how the policy of stop and
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frisk was specifically used as a weapon against minority communities is the definition of
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being right for the wrong reasons, which makes him wrong.
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Yeah, but it still boils down to his and I'm sure his caller's same complaint, which is
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the underlying complaint is, they're going to treat me like a black.
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Like, that's really what they're bitching about, essentially, right?
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Well, I thought about that.
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I really did.
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Because I thought about how that could fit into and make sense of Alex saying this.
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Yeah.
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But if he did, he would say those things.
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He would talk about how they're targeting minority communities as a brainlude to target
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us.
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That's fair.
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Because that would help make that argument.
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He just wants that piece of it completely left out because it opens a door his sort
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of arguments can't handle.
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Which is the actual intent of this.
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Yeah, the whole point is to terrorize and destroy black communities.
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Yeah.
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And hopefully catch people on petty warrants and stuff like that.
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In order to get money for the departments.
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Right.
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And your quotas being filled and stuff like that.
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It's almost like they turned the police force into some sort of shakedown.
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That's crazy.
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In order to make money?
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In order to make money, they destroyed the reputation of policing in America almost entirely.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Good work, guys.
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So Alex's argument, like I said, I can't stress enough.
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He's right about the sort of the picture of police being out of line.
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Yeah, for sure.
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But he's wrong about it being the globalist.
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Not that.
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It's an important distinction that needs to come up every now and again on this show.
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That just because he's spiritually right about something, he could be entirely wrong at the
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same time.
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So he's taken these callers.
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And at this point, he gets a call who wants to talk about Sandy Hook.
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And this guy has an interesting piece of the story that he wants to report.
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And Alex allows him to do so, which isn't good.
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The Sandy, the supposed Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza was two handguns, not a Bushmaster
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assault rifle.
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Well, no, that's what they first said.
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They arrested a bunch of different people and those stories don't check out.
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And then now there's a lot of other suspicious stuff going on.
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And I said on record, the Dark Knight was programming.
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Now we've learned they mailed out Dark Knight T-shirts to random people in New York and
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Connecticut.
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There's an article up at Infowars.com.
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No, that confirmed section of Gotham renamed Sandy Hook in latest Dark Knight release.
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And then they sent out maps as part of a promotion to media and others saying target Sandy Hook.
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They sent out Bane command orders to Bane's army to attack Sandy Hook.
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And by the way, Adan Salazar stayed up all yesterday, all last night.
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He has bloodshot eyes to do the research on this.
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And the Gothamist newspaper in New York picked it up.
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People are freaking out over this.
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People just came to work high.
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Orders from Bane.
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Kids and people, teenagers saying attack Sandy Hook.
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What do you think of that?
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Absolutely, Alex.
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It's all right out there in the open and if enough publicity, enough of it can be given
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out to the public, maybe it can turn things for a while.
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This thing has PSYOP written all over it.
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I said Batman is the trigger for mass shootings on record dozens of times.
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Cool.
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That is super easily explained.
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Is that a win?
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We've talked about this before and I apologize.
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I don't have the guy's specific name or his job, but one of the people who worked in like
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set design and graphic work on the Dark Knight is from Connecticut.
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He's from Newtown, Connecticut.
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Right.
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The idea of him putting the name of his city on a map isn't...
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It was just more fun.
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Yeah.
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As I remember from the last time I looked into that aspect of this, that was why that happened.
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It's very, very easy to...
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And all the other stuff is misreporting.
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The idea that they sent out...
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Bane sent out orders to attack Sandy Hook.
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He did though.
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He did say that they need to take control of their city.
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Well, look, that's the least important thing I think I want to talk about here.
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Wait, isn't that Dark Knight Returns?
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Dark Knight Rises.
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Dark Knight Rises.
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Apologies.
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I know.
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I'm getting my Tim Burton's all in a tizzy.
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Right.
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It's fine.
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That's not Tim Burton.
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Christopher Nolan.
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No, no, no.
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Batman Returns is Tim Burton.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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See what I'm saying?
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Exactly.
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It's all getting mixed up.
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Um, I think...
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I heard this Spider-Man.
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Okay.
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I think that that Batman stuff is really just...
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It's very thin.
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It's very stupid.
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And it's just indicative of how now he's trying to bring in as much of the conspiracy stuff
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that he hears into the narrative as he can.
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And that's just sort of an intent to muddy the water and make things seem more suspicious
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than they are with hearsay and bullshit.
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Hey, do you know what's even crazier?
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They didn't even send out physical maps like we know them, you know, like directions.
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They actually sent out the single from the Yeah, Yeah, Yes maps.
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Do you know when that came out?
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When?
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9-11.
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Oh, no, no.
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Exactly.
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It's all together.
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That's right.
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And I used to play that on Rock Band.
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Exactly.
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So you did it.
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Yep.
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So the more important thing I want to talk about is that this caller is repeating a piece
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of incomplete information that he picked up somewhere and Alex is doubling down on it
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to create disbelief in his listeners about what happened at Sandy Hook.
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And I'm not talking about the Batman stuff.
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I'm talking about they found him with two handguns.
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Yeah.
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Adam Lanza had two handguns.
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They didn't even have a Bushmaster rifle like they say.
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Well, then he's fine.
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If you read the police report on the shooting, it's very clear.
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Quote, On the shooter's person was a loaded semi-automatic Sig Sauer P-269 millimeter
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pistol and additional ammunition.
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Located near the shooter was a partially loaded Glock 20 10 millimeter semi-automatic pistol
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that appeared to be jammed.
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So that explains the two handguns that the caller is talking about.
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However, the next line explains that, quote, a Bushmaster model XM15E26 rifle was located
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some distance away from the shooter.
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The rifle's shoulder strap was attached to the front, but disconnected to the butt of
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the rifle.
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The disconnected rear portion was the result of a failed nut attachment.
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It's unknown if the nut failed when the rifle was being used or as the result of being dropped
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or thrown to the floor.
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So Adam Land's had clearly been using that weapon as evidenced by all sorts of other
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forensic evidence, but it appears that he'd thrown it to the side mid-shooting, possibly
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because the strap broke.
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It's unclear exactly why.
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There's also people who suggested that it had jammed.
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That's not entirely clear because they were able to...
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The people who were investigating it were able to fire the gun after the fact.
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So it doesn't appear that it was critically jammed.
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But for one reason or another, he ended up throwing that aside and favoring handguns
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after that point.
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It could just be a crazy thing in the moment of like, I'm sick of all of this mass killing.
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I want to see the whites of the eyes.
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Anything is possible, or it could be as simple as the strap broke and simplicity and comfort
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or whatever.
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There's a hundred possible explanations for why that gun was found a little further away
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from him than the two handguns.
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But this guy is pretending that there wasn't a Bushmaster rifle there at all, which is
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incredibly irresponsible and inappropriate.
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So Lanza also had a ton of ammo on him, on his person, including one shotgun shell, even
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though he didn't have a shotgun with him.
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There were other shotgun shells found around the scene, which police theorized he had dropped.
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But it still raises the question, why the ammo was there if he didn't have a shotgun?
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If you just read a little bit further in the police report, quote, recovered from the car
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was an Itzmatch Sega 12, 12-gauge shotgun with two magazines containing a total of 24
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rounds of ammunition.
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That would make sense then why he had shotgun ammunition.
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He just left the shotgun in the car.
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He just left in the shotgun in the car.
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Which I don't know.
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Maybe it's just he couldn't carry it.
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I don't know.
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I don't pretend to understand.
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Or maybe he thought he would get away and that was there for when he gets back to the
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car.
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Yeah.
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Any of these things are possible, but we'll never know exactly the answer.
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No, because he's dead.
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Yeah.
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So he used a completely different rifle to kill his mother, but that gun was found left
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at the scene of that crime and was recovered by police as well.
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He had a lot of guns.
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And there were even more guns found in her house that she loved.
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She had a lot of guns.
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But isn't that too many guns?
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Isn't that too many guns?
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I'm not comfortable making a hard determination on what is too many.
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I'm not the one who's going to say...
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My feeling tells me it's a lot.
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It's a lot of guns.
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It's a lot.
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It's a lot of guns.
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Yeah.
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So that idea that this caller is suggesting to Alex is irresponsible, inaccurate, and
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very easily explained.
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And Alex is allowing it to be a part of what's being presented as this story.
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As he said at the beginning of the episode, this is a fairy tale.
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Yeah.
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They say, you had a bushmaster.
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He just had two handguns on him.
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Right.
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That sort of nonsense.
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It allows for the muddying of the waters.
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And it's bullshit.
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It's how Alex builds these narratives.
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And we're seeing it happen in real time.
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Some of this is the caller's influence, perhaps, but Alex would be ready to take this from
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anybody.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it's still on him what he accepts, you know?
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There is a certain part of me, because Alex has difficulty taking a lot of calls, there's
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a part of me that wonders if there could be some sort of like, where are they now, VH1
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special on people who call into Alex Jones.
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Like, is this guy still denying Sandy Hook?
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Like, I want to know more about this idiot and what it is he's doing with his life.
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Yeah, I bet he is.
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Yeah, that's fair, that's fair, you don't need a special, that's fair, that's fair.
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Yeah, I bet that there's not a great rehabilitation percentage of people who buy into Alex's
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narratives.
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I believe that a lot of people probably can figure things out and right the ship, but
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I bet it's not easy.
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If I was going to take a guess, I would say it's like a large percentage, it's like a
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churn, you know, like a certain percentage leave every year or whatever, and they're
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just like, I'm done with this shit.
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A certain percentage go even further and become white nationalist militia people, and then
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everybody else just kind of keeps staying in the fluctuating middle.
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In the dryer cycle?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, it's possible.
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I don't know, I don't know if there will ever be a good study on that, but I'll accept
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whatever you're, I'll accept your policy.
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My rampant dumb speculation with no information whatsoever?
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For sure.
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I'm like Alex listening to a caller.
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That sounds great, yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Mayan apocalypse and how it's not real, but
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everyone thinks it is or something.
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Because of the globalist?
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Not entirely sure what his angle on this is, but it's wild.
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Some schools in the US are closed today because of end of the world fears.
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That doesn't sound right.
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That's not entirely true.
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It was a school district in Michigan that they were about to go on winter break.
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They only had like a week left of classes, and they just canceled classes because there
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were fears of school shooting because there were rumors being spread that there was going
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to be one.
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And then in addition to the Mayan apocalypse stuff, there's like, we, these kids are too
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distracted.
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We're just going on break early.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It wasn't because like we're afraid the end of the world is going to happen.
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No, we're afraid that there's going to be a mass shooting.
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There were threats and everybody is wild.
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Not entirely.
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That's a little bit unfair because the article that I read about it, they weren't afraid
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that there was going to be a school shooting because they had looked into these rumors
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and stuff like that and found that nothing was substantiated.
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But the reason that they ended up closing the school is because they're like, we're
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being ineffective in any teaching.
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The kids are too distracted and preoccupied with these ideas that, you know, just because
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you find that a rumor is unsubstantiated doesn't mean that the kids aren't going to
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emotionally feel the fear and the anxiety and the distraction.
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No, it spreads like wildfire.
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Yeah, so the school district was like, you guys are going on holiday break anyway.
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Enjoy.
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Have another week.
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We'll get back to classes on the other, back in, we'll see you in 2013.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Which I don't think is the same as closing over end of the world fears.
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Terry, what's three plus three?
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We're going to start doing that.
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I don't want to die.
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Okay, cool.
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We're going to go on break a little bit.
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We're going to, yeah, no, we're not going to do this.
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Yeah, so in this next clip, Alex gets really defensive about everybody thinking that he
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thinks that the end of the world is coming tomorrow.
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Folks, it is not the end of the world.
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And I've tried to get that out a million times.
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And I knew it would happen this morning.
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Let's turn and talk radio locally.
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Oh, Alex Jones, the world's ending tomorrow.
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I wonder what he's going to do.
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I'm just like, man, that is really a jealous way to act, knowing that I've hammered the
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fact for years that 2012 is a fraud.
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I've been asked thousands of times by people off air and on air what 2012 is.
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And I've shed on air hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times, literally.
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Everyone knows my position forever.
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I think a lot of people don't know your position.
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I think that's the issue.
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I don't know how anyone's supposed to know what you've told people off air, except the
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people you were talking to.
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And yes, he has been saying pretty consistently around this time that it's bullshit.
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But at the same time, we know what he did about Y2K.
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Yeah, that's true.
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It's totally reasonable for someone to be like, I know what you did years back.
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Last summer.
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I wonder if your behavior's changed.
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Right, right, right, right.
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You seem like the kind of guy who would be in on...
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You kind of blow with the wind.
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Yeah.
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This is one time where I do kind of want the world retroactively to have ended in 2012
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just to spite him.
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Just for him to be wrong.
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The one time he's like, it's not a conspiracy.
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Yeah, the one time he's like, this is nonsense and I'm not going to buy into these bullshit
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conspiracy theories.
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And then we still get to watch him burn in flames.
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That'd be great.
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Well, I guess fortunately it didn't go that way because I think we would have had some
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problems ourselves.
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Eh, I suppose.
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I saw that John Cusack movie, 2012.
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So Alex just keeps taking calls and it's super bizarre because generally speaking, when I've
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listened to these episodes, he'll say he's going to take calls, he'll yell about something
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and ramble for about an hour, get to the end of the show, maybe take one call and then
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be like, we'll get to you next time, that sort of thing.
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So to hear him take multiple calls at what is, you know, fairly early in the show, uh,
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was bizarre.
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Uh, and he gets this call from someone who suggests a guest for his show.
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Robert in Texas, you're on the air.
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Robert, real fast.
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Go ahead.
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Morgan.
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Hi Morgan.
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Go ahead, sir.
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I'm gonna try to get to you.
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Can you hear me?
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Yeah, man, I sure do.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever heard of Jan Morgan?
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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She's down in College Station.
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She's got a couple of articles out.
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She's a big gun, a fan.
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And, um, I was hoping you'd heard of her.
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She, she'd be good to have on your show.
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I agree with you.
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Do you have anything else you'd like to add?
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Cause I'll hold you till after.
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So I love the idea that like this guy's calling in.
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He's like, Hey, there's this lady named Jan Morgan.
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She loves guns.
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I think she'll be good on your show.
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I don't know who she is, but I agree with you.
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I'm a big fan of the, I sure do.
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Yeah.
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I sure do.
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But if you listen to regret in his voice,
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It's not regret.
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It's frustration with his phone system.
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Like it's, and his callers, because they often don't know that he's gone to them.
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He has a bad screening system and all that stuff.
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So like, if you listen to it as much as I do, that frustration is there.
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Oh, that might be why he never goes to calls.
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Cause he knows his phone system sucks.
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He knows he's just going to have to do that little conversation with somebody.
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Can you hear me?
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Can you hear me?
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Yes.
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Alex, are you there?
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Yes.
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Alex.
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Hi.
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That's the show.
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Yeah.
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Now you've wasted three seconds.
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I could have been yelling about something.
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Yeah.
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So Jan Morgan is the owner of the Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range in Hot Springs, Arkansas,
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and is an official instructor licensed by the NRA.
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Interestingly, it seems like she would be a fantastic fit as an Infowars guest,
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seeing as in 2014, she banned all Muslims from her shooting range.
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Okay.
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Saying that quote, this is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of Muslims
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to substantiate my position that Muslims can and will follow the directives in their Quran
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and kill here at home.
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And she's in Arkansas of all places.
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Hot Springs.
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Never, never in my wildest.
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She insisted that the first amendment did not include protections for Muslims and defended
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her actions by citing verses from the Quran that she interpreted as being very scary.
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Doesn't sound right.
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She further related a story of a couple of men who came into her range recently.
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Quote, two Muslims walked into my range last week with Allah Akbar ring tones and message
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alert tones on their smartphones.
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They spoke very little English.
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One did not have proof of US citizenship, yet they wanted to rent and shoot guns.
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They were constantly glancing towards the cameras in the range,
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then looking at each other and speaking in their own language.
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She went on to say that she was doing the only sensible thing here.
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Quote, since I have no way of discerning which Muslims will or will not kill in the name
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of their religion and the commands of their Quran, I choose to err on the side of caution.
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Unfortunately, she failed to see the irony in this logic, seeing as it could be flipped
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around super easily and used to literally take all guns from whatever group you want.
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No, what?
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Huh?
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There's no real way to discern which white men are going to become members of violent
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white nationalist groups.
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So the government should err on the side of caution and disarm all white men.
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It's almost like she's dumb.
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I'm not advocating for that necessarily, but the argument uses identical logic to what
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she's putting forth.
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She's very stupid.
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Yeah.
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This is how this shit always goes.
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It's the same thing we talked about in terms of Ted Nugent banning guns at his concert.
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These people pretend to have a principled, absolute moral stand that the right to own
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and hold guns is the most important part of being free and any attempt to restrict anyone's
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access to guns is an attempt to take away all guns and demolish freedom.
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Then as soon as they feel threatened, they equivocate, make qualifications and intellectualize
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their way into restricting the very right they pretend to believe is sacrosanct.
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These people are all liars.
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Well, if she's saying that the First Amendment doesn't cover Muslims, which, yeah, fine.
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If that's your saying, then get the fuck out.
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We don't need you talking ever again.
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Then she's also saying that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to Muslims because they're
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not allowed in her gun store.
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So they aren't legally allowed to carry guns.
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She's essentially saying that Muslims cannot possibly be constitutional.
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More or less, yeah.
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Yeah, that's what she's saying.
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Oh, also fun little thing.
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Jan Morgan ran for the governorship of Arkansas in their 2018 election.
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How'd she do?
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In an attempt to raise money for her campaign, Jan set up an illegal raffle where people
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would donate $50 to her campaign for a chance to win a handgun with her signature engraved
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on it.
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When legal questions started popping up, she refunded everyone's money, but it bears
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mention because she thought that was a good idea to begin with.
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Also, for someone running in just the Republican primary for this position.
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How'd she do?
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Her fundraising was pretty on point.
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She brought in almost $200,000.
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That is crazy.
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Much of which came from political action committees which suspiciously share an address.
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Arkansas Business Services, Arkansas Trade First, and Commerce in Action all gave the
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maximum amount allowed to her, but also all seem to be the same people.
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A group called Conduit for Action.
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Conduit for money for her campaign.
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Conduit for Action is a hard right political action committee which is super against Governor
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Hutchinson, the person that she would be running against in the primary because though he's
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a Republican, he's not as hard line as they want their governor to be.
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They publish articles on their website like this one from just about a week ago.
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Quote, Governor's tax plan to thwart constitution about Hutchinson's proposed increase in gasoline
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and oil taxes.
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That sounds like something that the founding fathers were really into.
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During the election, they published multiple articles promoting Morgan's campaign, but
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didn't disclose that they were supporting her through cloned political action committees,
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which is shady as hell, but not illegal in Arkansas.
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See now, isn't that a problem?
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It is a problem.
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It feels like that's a problem.
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On the other hand, Alex would have loved her if she owned a pool supply store in Austin.
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Then he never would have had to see young girls.
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As I understand from all the information I was able to find, most of these are cloned
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PAC's from Conduit for Action.
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That really has to be illegal.
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No, it's not illegal.
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It's totally fine.
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And then what's the point of having a maximum donation?
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I don't know.
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OK, there we go.
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All right.
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I don't know if laws have been changed since then, but I know there's been some discussion
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about it because it is a really fucking weird thing to allow for the exact reason you brought
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up.
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Maximums don't matter.
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So she lost the Republican primary, but she did get 30 percent of the vote, which is super
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fucked up.
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That's bananas.
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As the Arkansas Times pointed out during the campaign, her campaign really never was about
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winning the vote.
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Quote, Jan Morgan may not technically win the Republican primary for governor by compiling
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the most votes, but she's already won the race by driving Governor Hutchinson to a loud
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declaration of his position to the farthest right reaches of the political spectrum.
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By being in the race, she required Hutchinson to come out from the shadows and pander to
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the further right parts of his base that would be stolen by Morgan being in the race.
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Thus, his rhetoric towards the LGBT community and about women's rights became far more toxic
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than it had been in previous campaign cycles.
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And this, Jordan, is how the Overton window shifts.
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Oh, she's a perfect example of that.
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Yeah.
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Jesus, what a dick.
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She sucks.
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I don't like her.
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So you have these.
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And she wasn't on Info Wars?
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I don't know if she does have come on eventually.
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I'm saying she's a perfect guest.
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She is a perfect guest.
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Yeah, I'm shocked she's not on right now.
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I don't believe that all these political action committees necessarily even wanted her to
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win, but they knew that that effect of having her in the race would force Hutchinson to
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change some of the positions towards the harder right versions that they wanted to see.
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So they were funneling money towards her in order to push him to the right.
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Of course.
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That's the intention.
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That's how this works.
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Yeah.
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There's no way they would actually want her to win because obviously her first day in
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office would be like, I'm banning the Constitution from covering anybody but white people.
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What are you doing, ladies?
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It would be tough.
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Yeah.
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She would not have a very successful term as governor.
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I think she might get herself in a little bit of trouble that even hard right folk are
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not super, super interested in.
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So at this point in the episode, Alex just sort of treads water for a bit and it's pretty
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boring.
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And then he has a guest.
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He gets a guest on the show, my friend.
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And this guest is, I don't know how to describe him.
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He's famous.
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Derek Fisher, formerly of the Lakers.
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It's not Derek Fisher.
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It's not Derek Fisher.
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No, but I did meet him once.
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Did you?
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I did.
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Really?
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Me and my dad went to a Lakers-Cabs preseason game years and years back and I met him on
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the court.
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Is he a good guy?
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I don't remember.
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I don't think anyone was mean to me except Shaq.
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And Shaq wasn't even mean to me.
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He was just too big.
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No, I was, we got in early because we snuck in through like a back door so I could get
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autographs.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so I found like Kobe Bryant was there and I got his autograph and Eddie Jones, I
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believe.
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Yeah.
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I got his autograph.
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Derek Fisher walked up.
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He's like, want my autograph?
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I'm like, yeah, sure.
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I got his autograph.
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That's, that's rude.
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I didn't, I was, I, I.
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Derek Fisher wasn't a star, but he was still a very serviceable player.
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Derek Fisher was, he was one of the people I did want the autograph.
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Okay.
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I think it was Sean Rooks walked up.
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That's fair.
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That is fair.
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It was some middling power forward who's still very talented, but someone who's an autograph
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I did not, I wasn't interested in.
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So then I'm getting these autographs from these people and I look over and Shaq is doing
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free throw practice.
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He's warming up, shooting free throws.
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Throwing them just at the backboard, missing horrifically every time.
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And I'm like, I could get Shaq's autograph.
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I never imagined such a thing would be possible.
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So I start wandering over towards Shaq, just the little boy on a basketball court.
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I don't see anybody else.
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I just see Shaq and then out of nowhere, his bodyguard gets in between us.
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It's like, nah, no.
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Shaq looks back.
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It gives me a man.
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What are you going to do?
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Kind of look like, come on, man.
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Even back then.
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I was like, don't put this on your bodyguard.
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This is on you.
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All you had to do is sign my little.
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Well, what are you going to do?
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I like that.
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Nothing I can do.
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Hey, I don't know.
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He's the boss.
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Bodyguards.
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I mean, obviously I pay his salary and everything, but he's the boss, man.
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What are you going to do?
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Anyway, point is Derek Fisher wasn't on Info Wars.
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It's Nick Van Exel.
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Oh.
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Trying to think of other people who were on the Lakers around that time.
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So it's not.
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Well, Andrew Bogut is a big pizza gator, so he could have been on Info Wars.
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That's true.
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So no, it's not.
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It's Bob Barr.
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Bob Barr, former member of the House.
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Oh, not.
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Okay.
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Former House member from Georgia, Bob Barr joins the proceedings.
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I bet he's a good guy.
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Here is Alex introducing him.
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Okay.
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This is a very important interview because he is a senior member of the National Rifle
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Association Board.
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And with him on the board, they've got more hardcore in the defense of the Second Amendment.
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And we've been pleased with that direction by the NRA.
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Libertyguard.org is the big group he's heading up fighting the drones, the TSA and the police
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state takeover, but he wants today, Bob Barr, former Congressman, constitutional lawyer,
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Georgetown, multiple degrees.
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Also is in the CIA from 71 to 78.
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Just a long bio there.
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Bobbarr.org as well.
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And he joins us here today.
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He's been a long time member of the NRA board.
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So Alex being like they've gotten more extreme under him makes literally no sense because
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he was a member of the board almost the entire time Alex has been mad at them and calling
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them controlled opposition, which he has been doing in 2012 while he's sitting down with
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Bob Barr.
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It's just meaningless.
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It's not that it doesn't make sense while he's been a member of the board.
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Yes, they have gotten more hard, right?
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But it has nothing to do with anything that, you know, he's just been there.
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So he's just there.
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So like I mentioned, in addition to being a bit of a right wing douche, Bob Barr was
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also a member of the US House representing Georgia.
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Barr was in the House for eight years from 1995 to 2003.
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And in that time, only four bills he sponsored became law.
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One was about naming a post office.
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Another one was about the number of 1996 Atlanta Olympics.
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Commemorative coins should be made 40 and another was about how Alabama, Florida and
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Georgia share surface water rights to the Chattahoochee River.
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The fourth bill that he sponsored and made it all the way to becoming law was the 1996
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Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as being solely between one man and one woman
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and forbade the federal government from requiring states to recognize any sex marriages nor
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require the states to confer any of the rights of spouses to people in such relationships.
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All right.
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I knew he was a piece of shit, but wow, he's a piece of shit.
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Twenty five percent of the bills he got through made sex marriages unrecognized by whatever
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states.
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Thanks, Bill.
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I have to concede that a lot of Congress members on both sides of the aisle have levels that
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are this horrible in terms of productivity, in terms of how many bills they...
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Well, there's however many of them.
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Yeah, so Bob shouldn't take too much of a hit for that, at least not too hard of a hit.
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I don't think it speaks super highly that four fifths of a decade of your life is spent
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and all you come away with it is a shared river, some coins, a named post office and
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a bill that deeply undermines a group of people's human rights.
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I don't think that's great, but you know.
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I mean, the argument against that, though, is when you really get down to it based on
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the shittiness of Democrats and how garbage they are.
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Cortez is not going to have like, you know, she probably won't even have four bills passed
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in the next eight years because they're so shitty.
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No, I know.
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But she's already done far more than any of the other.
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I understand that.
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That's what I was calling myself out for.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Part where I'm like, there's a lot of people who don't really on the surface get a whole
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lot done.
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Exactly.
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And so I'm saying he got four bills in eight years and that I do want better productivity.
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OK.
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But at the same time, I recognize that it's an endemic system in Congress.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But also, if you look at some people, they get a lot more done.
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Anyway, it's it's it's beside the point that more to the point and perhaps more relevant
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to our conversation here.
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In Bob Barr's time in office, he received forty eight thousand five hundred dollars
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from Lockheed Martin, forty two thousand six hundred and three dollars from the NRA and
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thirty nine thousand five hundred fifty dollars from Glock, representing three of his five
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largest campaign contributors for his entire career.
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In addition to that, his political action committee took in one hundred and one thousand
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nine hundred and seventy three dollars from gun rights groups.
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Probably unsurprisingly, he would also be a board member of the National Rifle Association.
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He's not someone who is even close to being unbiased on the subject of guns.
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And it's just another example of Alex packing his show with shills for the gun lobby to
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come out as fast and as aggressively as possible against the very idea of running a gun
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and the idea of regulatory reform as it relates to guns in the aftermath of the shooting.
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He's it's just a complete trend.
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Everybody is a gun shill.
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Yeah, there's nobody else except that we know David Icke is on the next day, which is.
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Well, that's fair.
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That's the only person he's had on other than maybe Jesse Ventura that you could call not
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a complete shill for gun interests.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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I'm amazed that it's not a one hundred percent agreement among the like I get why the system
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is.
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Of course, you can buy politicians because you already have a shit ton of money.
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You've already bought enough politicians for them to make it OK for you to buy politicians.
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And you've bought enough politicians where they can appoint Supreme Court justices who
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will make it OK for you to buy politicians.
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But I don't understand how the American people as a whole don't have a 100 percent agreement
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rating on everybody shouldn't be allowed to buy politicians.
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Like if you polled America, they would be like, well, 40 percent says it's an OK idea
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to buy politicians.
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You're like, that doesn't make sense at all.
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Yeah, it seems weird.
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It seems like no matter how you phrase it or look at it, there's a better way to do
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this.
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Yeah, there's there's a better way.
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No, no, no.
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I think our current system of buying politicians is a great idea.
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You know how that's always great.
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It's always worked out well in history whenever you could just use a lot of money to change
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the political system to benefit you getting more money.
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It's perfect.
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Works well.
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Yeah.
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Also, an interesting note is that in 2002, Bob Barr was being honored at a reception
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being thrown by a Georgia lobbyist.
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The reception was in Bob Barr's honor.
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That lobbyist, Bruce Widener, planned to give Barr an antique 1908 Colt 38 caliber pistol
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in attempting to hand the gun to Barr.
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He almost killed him.
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Widener says that he removed the magazine from the gun but didn't clear the chamber
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and explained the problem as, quote, We were handling it safely, except that it was loaded.
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That certainly inspires confidence.
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Especially considering that, according to Bruce's LinkedIn page, he was the executive
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director of the Conditioned Air Association of Georgia at the time.
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So the gift of a loaded gun is extra weird.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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They just fucking almost shot him at a reception because...
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I'm disappointed.
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Disappointed.
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Look, you're looking at the wrong issue.
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I know.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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I am susceptible to schadenfreude.
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It's true.
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Right.
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It's true.
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You're looking at the wrong issue.
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It's not that the bullet missed him, it's that it also could have hit anybody else.
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I know.
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It's insane.
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No, I get it.
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And for people who...
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I know.
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I know.
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Bob Barr didn't initiate the proceedings.
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Right.
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You know, it's not so embarrassing that he was the one receiving the gun.
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But I would figure if you're giving an antique gun to a guy who's a board member of the NRA
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and is a big gun guy, you should do your due diligence.
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Make sure there's not a bullet in there.
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Yeah.
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It could be a real embarrassing thing that someone might talk about on a podcast 17 years
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later.
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It might undermine a lot of these arguments.
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But that's one of those things where when I talk about, that's too many guns.
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Whenever it's like, oh, he had 15 guns or whatever it is.
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It is not that you can't have all those guns.
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It's that every gun multiplies the ability for you to fuck up minorly in a way that is
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huge, you know?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Minor mistakes are huge.
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Minor mistakes with a gun are huge.
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And each gun just increases the percentage of chance that something is going to fuck
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up.
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The more guns you handle, the more likely...
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It just has a statistical data point.
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Right.
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And even in this case, I believe that people should be able to have guns that treat them
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responsibly and all that stuff.
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And antique guns are super cool.
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But what we're talking about here is even the possibility that does exist.
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People who handle guns responsibly, there's still a danger involved in that.
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And fuck ups are very, very, very costly.
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I am just unable to hear Bob Barr without feeling like you're leaving off the cur.
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I always hear Bob Barr and I'm like, when are you going to finish the word and say,
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Bob Barker?
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When are you going to say Bob Barker?
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His name is Bob Barker!
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Also, Bob Barr was the guy who led the charge in the House to get Bill Clinton impeached
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and was the first person in Congress to call on Bill Clinton to resign.
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So he's cool.
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He's an all right dude.
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He's all right.
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Yeah.
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So all of his arguments are mostly about the sort of the same things as Alex.
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Like, they can't take our guns.
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They won't.
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Exactly what you'd expect.
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Yeah.
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He is treating Sandy Hook like it's a real thing, which is, I guess...
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No, I'm not even going to give him a win column there.
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Well, I mean, he's not saying it's fake.
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So it's important in as much as Alex's guests are not influencing him except for the, like,
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defend guns aspect of it.
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The rest of the stuff is not coming from any clear source on the show.
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There's nobody who's coming in and poisoning his mind as it were.
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Right.
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Bunch of weirdo callers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but that's to be expected.
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If you're doing a show like Alex does and you're 20 years into it or whatever...
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You're going to get some weirdo callers.
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But you should also have a position of, I don't believe anything these weirdos say.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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You should know by now.
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You should know.
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These people are nuts.
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I don't know.
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The D.O.T. is on the streets, Stan.
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So anyway, in this clip, Alex tells Bob Barr about what the real issue is with Sandy Hook.
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Looking at this, sir, we know what the big ingredient is.
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The Pentagon developed first-person shooter games to create instinctive
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killing because in Vietnam and before they found troops wouldn't kill people up close
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and they would become dead.
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It was meant to hone, not a killer instinct, but an instinctive killing.
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Okay, so in Vietnam and before, soldiers wouldn't kill people.
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That's why they invented video games.
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Right.
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Yep.
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I beg to differ.
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Can I just say that up top?
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Yes.
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Beg to differ.
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I will actually defend him on this one.
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Okay.
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Strangely enough, this is something that I did read up on.
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They've done a lot of studies on ammo and war and all that stuff.
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And it is very, very unlikely for a soldier to actually try and kill somebody like so
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many of the bullets that they've found have been people not necessarily not like intentionally
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trying to miss, but at the same time, nobody wants to kill anybody.
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So there is a very high, like, like if we're talking, like if we're talking about
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We're talking Shaq's free throw percentage level of trying to kill people.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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But if you're talking about this, you're not talking about it in terms of like,
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that was true until Vietnam.
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Oh, no.
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And now everyone's trying to kill everybody.
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No, no, no, no.
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So even that doesn't track with what Alex is saying.
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Even now, people are still on the, on the whole, people are still on the side of maybe
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we shouldn't kill people.
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There weren't any video games around in World War One.
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Anyway, so Alex gets to this next, he has a, he has a news story that he wants to tell
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Bob about.
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And it's, it's pretty scary, but it's also not true.
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What about this report?
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It's an info wars.com.
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It links to the Chinese people's daily, the official government, communist Chinese mouth.
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I mean, it's the mouth communist Chinese government calls for Americans to be disarmed.
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This just broke at info wars.com with the links to the people's daily.
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And they say they challenge Obama to ratify the new UN treaty.
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And is it part of what we're seeing, the drumbeat even before this Chad massacre, the move towards
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getting the Senate to ratify the United Nations small arms treaty, sir?
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Actually, Alex, this is one reason I like to come onto your show because you bring up
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so many good points that a lot of people don't really think of.
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Ooh, that's not a great response to that.
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I think you can probably guess just from listening to Alex that he might be sensationalizing
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this story, just a tad, maybe just a little, a tad, but not in front of Bob Barr, not a
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respectable former house member.
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The Chinese state media operation Jinhua did post an op-ed titled quote, innocent blood
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demands, no delay for us gun control, but it stops just short of saying something like,
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hey, Obama, go get everybody's guns, like Alex is suggesting.
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You can find the article online, and if you do, you'll see what it really is is China
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shaking the damn heads at us.
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It's mostly about how as awful and heartbreaking as these mass shootings are in America, the
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reason nothing is ever done about it is electoral politics.
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The author specifically points out that Columbine happened in an election here, which is probably
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a big reason why no one was quote, willing to step up gun control due to possible political
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ramifications.
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They point out that because Obama doesn't have to face another election, he's in a rare
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position where that isn't a concern for him.
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It's really just a statement of fact.
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Yeah, no, that's pretty good analysis.
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The op-ed further points out that one of the big reasons that in election years, even the
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Democrats who ostensibly are for gun law reform lack the political will to get anything done
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is the massive influence and funding provided to their opponents by the NRA, specifically
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pointing out the 2000 election when the NRA gave $3.2 million to candidates' political
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action committees, 98% of which went to Republicans.
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Interestingly, in that election, the largest single recipient of their money was California's
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Democratic representative, Joe Baca.
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It seemed real strange when you see that until you realize that he was part of the Blue Dog
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Democrat caucus, and after he lost his seat in 2012, he tried to stage a comeback by running
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as a Republican in 2015.
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Odd.
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And then he switched back to being a Democrat to run in 2018.
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How did he do?
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He didn't win.
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He's what he was referred to by colleagues as a candidate of convenience.
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Yeah, otherwise known as a fucking asshole.
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Uh-huh.
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So he was part of that 2% of money from the NRA and went to Democrats.
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More to the point, though, this piece, this Chinese op-ed, is really more about shaming
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than it is about demand that we actually do anything.
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You can tell that from lines like, quote, the massacre has triggered a new debate on
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gun control in the United States.
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However, this time, the public feels somewhat tired and helpless.
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And, quote, every time a tragedy occurs, there are renewed appeals for gun regulation.
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However, the calls disappointingly always fail.
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God damn it.
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There's a resignation in the text that really speaks to how profoundly felt the tragedy
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of Sandy Hook was to people who are able to feel things, even in other countries.
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All around the world.
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The final line is something close to a call to action, but it's kind of meek when taken
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in the full context of the rest of the article.
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Quote, actions speak louder than words.
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If Obama wants to take practical measures to control guns, he has to make a preparation
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for a protracted war and considerable political cost.
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This is to say that lip service is meaningful or is meaningless.
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And ultimately, if Obama wants to make a real difference, the gun fetishists in this country
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aren't going to let him do anything easily.
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All in all, the article is insanely depressing to read.
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Yeah, it is basically what we all felt.
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It really is what we all felt of like the next day.
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Well, apparently not all of us.
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Well, yeah, that's fair.
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I mean, just anybody with empathy or emotions is just like, really, we're not doing anything
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even after this, then it's never going to be done.
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I don't know what to do other than to inoculate myself from care, you know, to pretend that,
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well, I guess this is just business as usual, so I don't have to feel anymore.
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It's brutal.
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So the New York Times wrote a piece about this article in this Chinese publication,
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and it points out how in China, there's also an attack on a school in the Hainan province
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around the same time as the one in Newtown.
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There was a man there who stabbed 22 children, which Alex could use to make the argument
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that these attacks happen no matter what weapons people have, to which I would reply that none
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of the children in China died.
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So there's a substantial difference, because even if someone comes in with a knife, he
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stabbed 22 kids.
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Which is a fucking terrifying, awful thing, but they're all still alive.
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Jesus.
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So quite different, quite different in outcome.
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I would say it's at the very least a little different.
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Oh, also, Alex is further lying by saying that he just broke the story.
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Paul Joseph Watson posted an article about the op-ed on Infowars.com on December 20th,
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the day of this episode.
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Breitbart had covered it in an article they posted on December 18th.
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So Alex is clearly piggybacking their propaganda angle and pretending he's the first person
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on the scene.
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In PJW's article, there's even a paragraph citing the Breitbart story and linking to
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it.
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Of course.
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So they didn't break shit.
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They didn't break it.
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They just covered the Breitbart article on Infowars.
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They broke it on Infowars.
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Big news.
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Interestingly, there's one source that does give Alex credit for breaking this story that
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I can find.
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Quote, the Communist Party of China demands that the U.S. should disarm.
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According to Chinese officials, the recent school massacre gave all to, uh, this is poor
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grammar, gave all to understand that one should not wait any longer.
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The country's leaders believe that the brutality of the Connecticut shooter will ensure the
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widest public support for arms reduction.
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Infowars.com reports.
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That's from a December 21st article in Pravda.
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I'm not really sure what that means or even if it means anything, but it seemed weird.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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But that's the only place.
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I got nothing on that one.
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That's the only place I can find that cites Infowars as a source on this story.
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And I was like, what the fuck?
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That's the only place you can find that cites Infowars on any story.
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I'm not sure that's entirely true.
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But at this point, Alex has got this story.
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He lets Bob go and get out of here, Bob.
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He just goes spay and neuter your own fucking pants.
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It's a different guy.
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It's a different guy.
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Different guy.
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Are you sure?
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I'm positive.
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OK, so.
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But Alex has introduced this China wants to disarm us story and that really starts to
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feel good.
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Get them chai comms in there.
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And he's now glad that he took calls earlier in the show so he could just scream about
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the Chinese for the rest of the show.
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Oh, boy.
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He just rants about how awful they are and how they kill everybody and all that sort
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of the Chinese and the most brutal regime ever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He goes on a good like 10 minute jag about that.
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They can be mind controlled.
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And that's later on.
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Yeah, that's later on.
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But it's still bubbling under the surface.
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So he does all that ranting and then he gets to this.
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And he talks about the the Chinese newscasters covering like Tiananmen Square.
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And I think it sounds like him in the present.
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I just type in Tiananmen Square news, Chinese news coverage of Tiananmen Square.
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And I mean, it is just tanks running over, bodies splattered everywhere, lining people
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up, shooting them and then just cutting back to newscasters like like they're reporting
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on their football team winning.
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I tell you, the Washington Redskins defeated their enemy today and just annihilated me.
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And the satisfaction on the faces of the state run me, I was just like, we are defeating
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the enemy right now, devastatingly smashing and crushing them.
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Oh, my God.
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But it's in Chinese.
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And it's just incredible.
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Incredible.
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Oh, man, I like that pause there.
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But it's in Chinese.
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He doesn't know.
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He doesn't know Chinese.
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So he's just assuming that's what they're saying or whatever.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what it's Chinese.
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I don't know if he's ever got nobody even knows how to read that language.
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It's a mystery.
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But when he's describing these newscasters, that sounds very similar to him talking about
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the globalists.
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Yeah, we're crushing them.
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Our team, the Patriots, our resurgence.
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You know, I was thinking while he was while he was talking about that, I was thinking
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about how the The New Yorker story that came out about how Fox News is the mouthpiece,
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the propaganda arm of the Trump story.
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Yeah.
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I'm like I imagine myself being Alex reading that story and being like, this is the problem.
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I was supposed to be the state media.
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That's my whole issue.
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Fox News took my gig.
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It took my game and went pro with it.
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Exactly.
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He must have been so pissed when he read that.
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But I think he had to.
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I mean, he already knew he would have to be a fool not to see that coming, even in the
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early days.
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Oh, of course, of course.
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I mean, I don't know.
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I do think that that's what he wants to be seen as.
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But he wouldn't want to be Fox News also.
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No, no, no, no.
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He wants to be the propaganda arm of the Trump administration.
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But he also doesn't want to be beholden to FCC laws.
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Right.
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And stuff like that.
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There's stricter rules of television.
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Right.
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But that's why I'm saying that even then he must be so angry to realize the extent of
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it.
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Yeah.
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Because that's that's like one of his big selling points for being the state run media
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is like, see, nobody nobody can regulate my shit.
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I don't give it FCC.
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I don't care.
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I'm Alex.
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Stupid dumb fuck Jones.
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Right.
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You know, you guys could have picked me and they would never even.
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Oh, they would write a New Yorker story.
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Yeah.
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Like I give a shit, you know, although on the other hand, Fox News doesn't give a shit
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either.
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So there is that you got to give them that.
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There's more people who are willing to go on the record around Fox News than there are
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at Infowars.
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Well, yeah, you got to be able to get written for fair.
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You got to give it up to the Somali pirates.
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That's all I'm saying.
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That would be in that story for sure.
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So in this next clip, Alex insists that he's not trying to scare his audience.
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And then he proceeds to say something incredibly scary.
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I've studied these people and you've heard Ron Paul.
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You've heard countless others on here who've studied them.
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We have sick psychopathic authoritarians.
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That's a Ron Paul quote in control.
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And they plan to put us in FEMA camps.
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They built them.
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It's public.
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It's all real.
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Nope.
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Now, people say, well, you're scaring us, Alex.
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No, no, no.
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I want to scare you with the facts into exposing these people.
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They're not going to be able to do this if we expose them.
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But let me explain something to you.
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If they nuke a city, which is in their plans, it's in their cards.
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If they nuke a city and say patriots did it, you know the hammer just dropped and they're
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going to try to come arrest me.
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You name it.
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Okay.
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I know these murders.
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You think they care about 20 kids at Sandy Hook?
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Think again.
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I mean, these are sick freaks who want an authoritarian system here.
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We are the greatest prize in the world.
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The patriots, the Americans who won't submit are the greatest prize.
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And they're willing to nuke a city in order to make Alex look bad so he can be arrested.
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I don't.
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That seems like a bad plan.
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I don't see how that's not trying to scare people.
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No.
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He's just saying that the enemy is willing to kill millions upon millions of people,
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scorch the earth around them, possibly cause lasting radioactive damage to the entire world
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in order to arrest Alex.
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To get me.
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Right.
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That's not that scary.
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There's a little narcissism buried in there.
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There's a little bit of, I mean, it's also minimizing anybody who expresses feelings
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of loss and sadness over Sandy Hook.
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Certainly he's building that into what he's saying.
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It's definitely there of like, oh, why would you care about these 20 people?
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We're trying to save millions.
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Because they're going to nuke a city.
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It's in their cards.
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Yeah.
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It's in the plans.
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It's in their cards.
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It's in the plans.
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It's the upside down king pointing the sword at his head.
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Something or other.
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Yeah.
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So in this last clip from December 20th, Alex says something that is not good.
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And it has to be understood in the context of all the other things he's been saying up
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till this point.
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Like in recent days, he's talking about how he'd seen this video of Robbie Parker, the
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grieving father, and he thinks it's suspicious and they might be actors.
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He's acting like an actor up there.
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This needs to be investigated.
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Sandy Hook smells to high heaven.
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People need to investigate this.
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The globalist plan to nuke a city to take out our Patriots, the greatest prize in the
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known world and that sort of thing.
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So when he ends the show like this, it doesn't make me feel good.
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Man, if you love your families, folks, you better get really active.
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I mean, in everybody's face, banner hangs, calling in to talk radio, doing your own YouTubes,
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access television.
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It isn't enough to get a bunch of guns and hide out in the forest waiting for them to
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come.
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You got to get in their face now.
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You've got to take America back now.
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And you playing patty cake with the Democrats and Republicans isn't going to do it.
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You understand everybody that says, oh, the government's just dumb.
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They just don't know.
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It's a foreign occupation by foreign banks with China.
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Okay.
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Oh boy.
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So it's really weird to hear that level of scaremongering over what sounds like the track
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from a Jane Fonda workout video.
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Yeah.
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Do you know, do you know what I mean?
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I do.
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I do know what you mean.
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Yeah.
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It's strange.
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It's not.
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It doesn't.
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All right.
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We're going to work those glutes.
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Everybody's coming to kill you.
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All right.
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It's disconcerting.
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Um, certainly the idea of like, if you love your family, you better get really active.
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You got to get on local access.
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You got to get in people's faces.
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You got to, you got to confront everybody.
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YouTubes.
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I mean, that's one, that's one way.
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That's probably just more of an expression of like, if you guys who are my acolytes do
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these things, it's only going to feed people to me.
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Exactly.
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Because you'll be saying what I say, but worse.
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And people like maybe see your ideas.
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You'll obviously reference someone you will reference.
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You will reference Alex Jones a million times.
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It'll be free advertising.
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It'll be terrible advertising, but it'll be free.
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Not great.
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And then the other side of it, there will be a large portion of his audience who hear
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what he's saying in the context of all of the other stuff he's been saying.
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You need to get aggressive.
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If you love your family, you got to get really active.
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This is an occupying government, all this stuff.
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And they'll take action.
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They'll be interested in investigating Sandy Hook, as he has already said people need to
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do.
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So the getting really active part there is it's disconcerting.
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Frustrating.
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Yeah, it's troubling.
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So I have an out of context drop from the 20th that I didn't play earlier.
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And here you go.
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We're in a pickle, I have to tell you.
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Yeah, you are.
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So we get to the 21st.
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You're reigniting the great pickle cucumber debate of 2019.
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Anytime pickles come up in Alex's world, we got to reference it.
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So we get to the 21st, the end of the world day.
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He has David Icke on, and it's mostly just talking about how there are evil forces in
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the world, but of course the world's not going to end today.
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That is most of the show.
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But they get into a little conversation about Sandy Hook, and now we see these ideas that
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Alex has already introduced, be it the Batman idea or anything like that.
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Jane Fonda workout tapes.
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That doesn't come into play specifically, but it's probably in the background somewhere.
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I assume so.
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So Alex and David Icke have this conversation that I think is awful.
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After we get into my questions, what are some of the things that are front and center with
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you today?
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Well, I just think we're heading, Alex, to a point in the new year in 2013, when so many
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things are going to come together.
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We have a president now in a second term.
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He has no other election to win.
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We have this fiscal cliff, as they're talking about, and this obvious agenda to push on
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down the road of the Hunger Games.
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If people saw that movie, there was a few people absolutely staggeringly rich in a high
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tech, top of the range luxury capital, and the rest of the people who were feeding that
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wealth were actually in abject poverty.
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So we support Occupy Wall Street.
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Beyond Orwellian levels of control.
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Occupy Wall Street.
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You know, it was interesting to me because, you know, I follow symbolism a lot and so-called
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coincidence that Suzanne Collins, who wrote the Hunger Games should be living in that
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area of Sandy Hook.
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Same with the connections from that into the Dark Knight Rising movie.
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And by the way, it's not just that they renamed it in the new Dark Knight to Sandy Hook.
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They mailed out to the media attack papers.
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For those that don't know, we'll talk about this when we come back.
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Attack papers, orders from Bain of strike points.
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And in the last one, that area named Sandy Hook was named Hinckley, the shooter of Reagan.
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Well, you see, if we get really deeper into this, really deep into this, Alex, it's all
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about the manipulation of the human subconscious mind, which then becomes the conscious mind's
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perception of reality.
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I don't care about that Batman nonsense.
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Do people not know how fucking stupid that is?
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Clearly not.
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How does anybody listen to David Icke and not go, that is the dumbest fucking guy.
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I get that he has a British accent and that can confuse a lot of people.
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Right.
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But he even smacks his lips a lot and he does that thing where he breathes in through his
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nose and it's wrong and it's uncomfortable.
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And then he says just dumb fuck shit.
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That's pretty dumb.
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That is stupid.
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Yeah, you know what, though?
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It is true that Suzanne Collins, the author of the Hunger Games series, did live in Sandy
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Hook Village.
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Oh, never mind.
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That proves that reptilians run the world then.
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But I would respond to that by saying so what?
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Also, Caitlyn Jenner formerly lived there, too.
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Is that meaningful?
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The actor Anthony Edwards used to live there.
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So what?
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Charles Jackson, the author of The Lost Weekend, lived there.
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Does this add to the conspiracy at all?
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Jenna Von Oy, who played Six on Blossom, went to high school in Sandy Hook.
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Were Six's hats part of the globalist plot?
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Actually, that is.
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I don't know.
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Someone needs to investigate.
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I would believe that one.
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Look into the hats.
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Please, nobody bother anybody, anybody from the show Blossom.
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And these are just some of the famous people who are from Sandy Hook Village.
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When you consider the entire town of Newtown, that list expands quite a bit and now includes
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Charles Goodyear, the guy who invented vulcanized rubber for tires.
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Joanna Cole, the author of The Magic School Bus, Joey Stiles, the former ECW announcer
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and Elia Kazan, the two time Oscar winning, three time Tony Award winning and four time
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Golden Globe winning director of such hits as A Streetcar Named Desire and On the Waterfront,
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who is considered by many to be one of the best directors in film history,
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who also founded the Actors Studio, which created Method acting.
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Yeah, but she never got an Emmy, so she didn't even egot.
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It doesn't even care.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I completely forgot.
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And also none of this means anything.
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He didn't egot, Dan.
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Doesn't matter.
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There are people who are from places.
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So-called coincidences.
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Right.
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Fuck off.
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You're so stupid.
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You need to do better to like work on a coincidence than just say it's not one.
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So-called.
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Well, that's the yeah, you can't.
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That's a shortcut and it's unfair.
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That's an unfair thing to do.
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And I resent it.
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I investigate so-called coincidences by first not investigating them and second
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saying that they are not coincidences, thus proving my dumb argument.
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And the plot of The Hunger Games really has nothing to do with the shooting that happened.
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No.
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So number one there.
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And everything to do with watching Battle Royale when she was high in 1995.
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And nothing about it really has to do with the direction our society's gone.
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If you want to talk about like, yes, there is great economic difference between the classes.
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Yes, that is true.
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The social stratification aspect of the movie is true.
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But the movie is about a kill contest.
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Yeah.
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That we still haven't gotten to.
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Nor is there any indication that that is the direction.
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Professional football's getting closer.
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Not nearly the same.
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Not quite.
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They don't get weapons.
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That's true.
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Oh, man, they should get weapons.
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So here's the last clip from the 21st where they are talking some more about Sandy Hook.
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You can look at Sandy Hook.
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But we're missing the point if we look at it only on one level.
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You're dumb.
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On one level, yes.
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It's about an excuse to take guns away because of the same reason that they
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stopped guns and ammunition being owned by Jewish people before they started riling up in Germany.
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Whoa!
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And on another level, it's going to be used to create copycats.
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More people shooting schools because that's the feedback loop
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conditioning people to go shoot up schools.
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This will undoubtedly cause more school shootings.
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Yeah.
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That's another one.
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Another one is to create what?
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Emotional trauma collectively in the population.
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Not just in America over Sandy Hook, although obviously much greater there.
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Stay there.
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Stay there.
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We're talking about psychic vampires with David Ikes.
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Yeah, you are.
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That is what you're doing.
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Take a look in the mirror.
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That's what you're doing.
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Alex, you're talking about psychic vampires with David Ike.
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Ridiculous.
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And even David Ike is coming out on the It Was False Flag staged.
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They're doing it to create emotional trauma on a worldwide basis.
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Oh, you bet.
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Like he's all in on the...
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David Ike is a little bit harder in his position than Alex is at this point.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But Alex is, you know, it's not good.
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It's not good to have these ideas presented on your show unchallenged if they're not ideas
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that you don't want your audience internalizing.
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Yeah.
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It's just a shitty way to do business.
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So look, I still don't think we've reached the point where he's fully committed to his
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this was fake argument or anything.
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But we're past the end of the world and we've seen the continuation of the wall-to-wall
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gun-chill guests and the breaking of that pattern with one of the craziest people who
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exists in the world, David Ike, who is saying that it's psychic vampires trying to create
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this trauma and all this stuff, which it doesn't bode well for what comes next.
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Nah, nah, nah.
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Does not make me feel super confident that Alex is going to find his bearings at all.
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And the other thing too is in that clip, that last one there, Alex is saying that he's concerned
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that this is going to create copycat school shooters and stuff like that, which is the
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safest bet in the world when you do nothing.
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When you do nothing in terms of regulating gun laws and things like that, you can be
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pretty confident there's going to be more school shootings.
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And then you can just say, I called this, these are all because of the last one.
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This is all just copycatting off the last one.
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And I can be pretty sure that you have some culpability in those fucking copycat shooters.
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I'm not willing to go that far, but he certainly is not, certainly not innocent, but I'm not
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sure of what he is guilty of.
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He's guilty of something.
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Man, David Ike just sounds so full of shit.
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He sounds like a fucking nervous bookie.
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Like he's, as we can all see, like fuck you, you lying piece of shit.
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You're a fucking con man.
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He is.
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He doesn't even believe the dumb shit that he says.
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Listen to him.
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He might.
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I kind of regret, I think in a way earlier episode of this show, I might've said he has
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some decent ideas and stuff like that.
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But I think really when I examine it more, I'm just responding to like the vague self
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help stuff that is incorporated within all the other dangerous messages.
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And so I mean, I could still defend that.
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I could still say like, yes, this vague self-help stuff that you could get anywhere.
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Yeah.
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That's like, I can defend goop for occasionally being vaguely self-help-y.
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But I think I probably just didn't analyze that nearly enough.
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So anyway, sorry if I wasn't hard enough on David Ike before, but he stinks.
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So I don't know at the end of this what we've seen in terms of any progression.
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I think we're still seeing a bit of a holding pattern on his part.
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I think you're starting to see the audience catch up to him on being salacious about this.
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And because he took more calls, you're seeing that influence come into the program.
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And then the idea, I mean, how's Alex going to do a December 21st, 2012 show and not have
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David Ike on?
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But because of the timing of it, David Ike is also introducing a lot of really bad ideas
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to the proceedings.
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So that is some evolution, but we'll see where it goes from here.
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Well, the fact that he brings up the feedback loop as being like Alex bringing up the feedback
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loop as being something that is part of this whole thing, yet not realizing that he's in
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that feedback loop with all of his guests, with all of his callers of him saying shit.
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All his gun-chill guests. And they're all just mirroring that shit back to him.
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He is in this constant, like, there can be no information that I will interact with that
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is not supporting my bullshit.
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He doesn't realize that he's a part of the loop in the same way that he doesn't realize
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that he's a part of politics.
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He doesn't actively recognize that he is a part of the thing that he's critiquing in
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as much as, like, he's basically just the Jan Morgan of this.
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Like, he's like, I'm above the right-left paradigm.
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But in reality, everything that he stands for and perpetuates is to try to work to push
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people further right.
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Right.
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So he's mad at the Republicans because they're not far right enough for him.
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And that's why he thinks he's above the left-right paradigm.
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And it's nonsense.
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In the same way he thinks he's above this feedback loop that's going on when he is pushing
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it super far towards the Sandy Hook was fake mentality.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, yeah, that's a good point.
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And he doesn't realize it.
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And that will be to his own detriment.
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Hopefully.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully it will be further to his own detriment as events progress.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, guys, we will be back on Friday.
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But until then, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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That's correct.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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We have a handle.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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We are also on Facebook.
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We are also on it.
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We are.
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Yeah, we're great at plugs.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We often do really high pitched voices.
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Really, really phone them in.
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Phone in those plugs.
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Oh, yeah.
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I'm looking over this and I'm not seeing anybody I like in this.
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No, there's a there's a murderer's row of murderers on this show.
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Oh, boy.
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Do you think David has ever actually killed somebody?
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I don't know.
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He's crazy enough that he might have.
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You think so?
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I bet Bob bars never killed anybody.
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I bet Bob bar has totally killed somebody.
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I don't think that's stereotypical white voice.
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I don't think that's accurate.
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I think Bob bars in the clear.
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He's been a part of some bad, bad stuff.
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I'll tell you who's never killed anybody.
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Who's that?
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Bob Barker.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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I guarantee that of all the people we have talked about in this show, only Bob Barker
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didn't come up with Alex, but came up in the episode.
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So good enough.
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Bob Barker probably hasn't killed anybody, but technically one guy has.
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That guy is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
