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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Yeah.
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Dan?
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Hi, yeah, Jordan.
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What was the last time you saw somebody do something truly, astonishingly excellent?
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I saw that gymnastics routine, that floor routine that was going around on Twitter.
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I don't remember the young lady's name, but that was outstandingly good.
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Was she the one that was like 13 years old?
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No, no.
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No, that's the ice skating lady.
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Yeah, I think she's in college, I think she goes to UCLA.
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I wish I knew more details about this, I'm not a big gymnastics guy, but it came up on my Twitter feed.
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I watched it, I was like, holy shit, it's insane that people's bodies can do that.
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Yeah.
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Then I guess, I mean, we're recording this on Sunday, but last night I watched NXT TakeOver Phoenix,
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and like watching Ricochet, the pro wrestler Ricochet...
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Is Phoenix okay?
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Phoenix is all right.
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They've been taken over, but they are all right, they survived.
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All right.
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There's a wrestler named Ricochet who can just do amazing flips.
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Like he could jump over stuff, the way he's able to land things.
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Like, you shouldn't be able to, your body shouldn't move like that.
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Yeah.
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Watching him is also really physically impressive.
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Nice.
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But look, dude, I want to answer this question more, but we don't have time.
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Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
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Today's a big show.
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Okay.
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We got a lot to go over, but everyone should know that this is a podcast running a lot about Alex Jones.
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I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones, and we're all going to talk very, very fast.
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We have big news to take care of, and of course everyone knows what that is already,
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and that is that I started playing Hyrule Warriors on the Switch.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you...
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Big news, everyone has been waiting for us to...
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Right, right, right, right.
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That's not it at all.
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Okay.
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Roger Stone got arrested on Friday, he got indicted, and, you know, people are clamoring for our take on it,
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and so we will get to that, and I'm excited too, but before we get to that,
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we need to give a shout out to a couple people who make this show possible.
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Nice.
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People who have joined up and are now policy wonks.
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First, I'd like to say thank you to Kerry.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Kerry.
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Hi, Kerry.
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Next, Nikita, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much, La Femme Nikita.
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I'm sure they get that a lot.
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You probably don't appreciate our hacky humor.
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Nope.
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Next.
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Terrible.
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I'd like to say thank you to Brent.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Brent.
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Thank you very much, Brent.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to Fred Koch's racist ghost.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Fred Koch's racist ghost.
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Yeah, I don't know if I'm thankful.
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Hey, maybe he wants to make good, you know?
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Oh, that's true.
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Maybe it's one of those trying to get to the good place.
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This could be a Christmas carol kind of situation.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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He's Marley.
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He's Marley.
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Yeah, something like that.
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So he gives a couple bucks our way, and we appreciate it.
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Thank you very much.
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If you are a founding member of the John Birch Society's ghost, or just anybody else, and
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you'd like to support our show, you can do that by going to...
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That's a very narrow group.
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Well, not the everybody else part.
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You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button.
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It says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Please do.
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Now, Jordan, today, like I said, Roger Stone got indicted, and he's in trouble.
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And here's the problem with being Roger Stone.
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His primary brand is basically being a dick, so no one's really going to go soft on him.
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And at the same time, two of the things that he's most famous for are the movie Get Me
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Roger Stone and saying that John Podesta's time in the barrel is coming prior to the
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John Podesta emails being leaked.
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So, those two things are things that are so fucking easy for people to make jokes and
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headlines about.
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It's just a sea of people doing like, Mueller said, Get Me Roger Stone.
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Oh, no.
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Or even John Podesta said, It's now Roger Stone's time in the barrel.
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Oh, man, that's like us saying La Femme Nikita.
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That's terrible.
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It is hacky on a level.
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Yeah.
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But in a way, Roger brought it on himself.
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By having this kind of brand and this career that's so attacky, tacky and attacky, he ends
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up becoming the recipient of it once the tables are turned a little bit.
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On one level, I wish people would be a little more creative, but on another level, I kind
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of enjoy it.
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I appreciate it.
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Me too.
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Yeah.
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He has to just be thinking like, why is everybody being so mean to me?
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Because he's a complete and total psychopath.
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I think I'm a nice guy.
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Yeah.
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I'm just a dude trying to get by, man.
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Right.
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It's like, you know what?
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I can't even make a 40-year career out of fucking people over without eventually having
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to deal with karma.
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That's bullshit.
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It's nonsense in a globalist plot for sure.
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For sure.
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So I don't know how basic to get with this information, but I guess I should probably
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just assume that everybody doesn't know anything.
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Today we're going to be going over Friday's episode of Alex Jones' show, what would that
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have been?
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The 25th, I guess?
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Yeah.
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The January 25th, 2019.
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And it's in the immediate aftermath of Roger getting arrested and posting bail.
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He got arrested at like six in the morning, I believe, was the exact time.
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FBI agents swatted his house, which I think is a good idea.
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I think that based on the things that he's up to and the context that he has, I would
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consider him a flight risk for sure.
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You're going to want to surprise him.
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Not because of danger, not like he's going to get a shootout going or something like
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that, but I wouldn't take any chances.
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So they swat-teamed his house in the morning, took him away and arrested him.
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Pretty soon after that, him and his lawyers were able to negotiate a bail and he posted
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a $250,000 bond and he is now free to go to New York and Florida.
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I believe those are the two places he's allowed to travel between.
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New York, D.C. and Florida, I believe.
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That's correct.
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Yes.
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But Austin, not on that list.
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Not on the list.
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He could have got Austin on that list and he didn't.
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And I think that tells you something.
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Do you think he could have gotten Austin on that list?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He works for fucking Infowars.
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Too close.
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Too close to the border.
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No, that's for work.
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I mean, if you make that argument, then D.C. or New York should be too close to Canada.
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I think Florida is too close to Cuba.
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Sure.
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Any of these arguments could hold water.
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If Roger Stone wanted to, he could have gotten Austin on that list.
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He didn't.
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And I think that's partially because I have a large theory about all this.
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And I think that Roger, in many ways, now that he's actually been indicted, realizes
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Alex can't really help him outside of tricking his listeners into giving him money.
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That's the only thing Alex can help him with.
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His problems are much bigger than Alex can help with now.
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And so it's not a priority for him.
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I don't think it...
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Yeah, I mean...
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I think that it's just like he's going to use the Infowars army or whatever for whatever
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they're worth, but he's not going to be like, he's not going to be Roger Stone anymore.
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No.
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He's not going into work at Infowars and being like, and here's why I'm not... because it's
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just going to get really boring really fast.
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And nobody gives a shit about his take on other shit.
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And he'll direct his attention on places where Trump actually is listening to, like Tucker
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Carlson and maybe going on Fox and Friends.
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He'll do that instead of helping Alex rile up the troops for their imaginary apocalyptic
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battle that's never coming.
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I assume he goes out every night into the forest as well and screams, pardon me!
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There is a great moment in his press conference that he gave.
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We're not going to play a clip of it, but an interviewer asks, have you had any conversations
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with Trump about being pardoned?
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And Roger's response is, pardon me?
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I don't think he was trying to be funny, but it's hilarious.
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That's pretty great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, here we go.
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Let's jump into this and we'll get through it the best we can.
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We're going to be going over this indictment here bit by bit as we go through the episode,
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but I'd like to lay some of it out for the listeners here who haven't read it.
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For someone like me, it seems unthinkable that someone wouldn't immediately go out and
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read that indictment, but I also accept that I'm a weirdo.
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So Mueller handed down a six-count indictment against Roger Stone on Friday.
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Counts two through six are all lies that Roger told the House Intelligence Committee, and
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that one is an obstruction charge regarding some threatening messages that Roger sent
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to Randy Credico, his supposed intermediary with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.
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Reading over this indictment, one gets a very strong sense that Roger is completely fucked.
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The obstruction charge could carry a 20-year sentence, and each charge of lying to Congress
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could be up to five years.
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But I don't mean that Roger's fucked because that's a total of 50 years he could be looking
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at, which is life for him.
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I mean he's fucked because of the information that's laid out in the document, and more
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importantly, the information that is conspicuous in its absence.
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The text messages and emails that are referenced are mostly, but not all, correspondences that
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had already come to light in some manner or another.
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Some are messages that came out when Jerome Corsi got in trouble like a month or two ago,
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about a month ago.
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Some were reported on back in mid-2018 when Randy Credico met with investigators.
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But there are a few pieces of information in the indictment that bring it all together
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and clearly demonstrate that Roger Stone intentionally misled the House Intel Committee and gives
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a strong indication as to why.
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There's no fat in that document, which I think is an interesting point.
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Mueller clearly has so many more emails and texts than the ones referenced in this document.
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And if I were a gambling man, I would bet that the reason that the indictment looks
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the way it does is because what is in there is enough for Roger Stone to be charged with
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a crime.
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And some of the other correspondences may contain information related to other crimes,
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particularly the correspondences between Roger and Jerome Corsi.
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I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
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Either way, Roger is fucked because this indictment lays out a really open and shut case that
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Roger is super guilty of the crimes he's accused of.
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Another way he's fucked is that he's essentially been thrust into a prisoner's dilemma with
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Paul Manafort.
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The two of them know a lot of dirt on each other and are both really bad people.
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So now that they've both been indicted, each of them knows that the other is a threat.
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Typically, you never want to be in a prisoner's dilemma with someone who you know is untrustworthy.
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And there are few people...
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Which one?
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There are few people in town who are less trustworthy than Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.
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So that's sort of just a broad glimpse of what's going on.
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And now, in order to discuss this indictment within its proper context, I need to give
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you and the listeners a little backstory to flesh out some of these aspects of the story
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that other non-InfoWars-focused outlets might have missed.
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So Alex Jones isn't the only person in our story who has a radio show, or more accurately,
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had a radio show.
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On August 15th, 2016, Genesis Communications Network distributed a press release heralding
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the launch of The Stone Cold Truth, a two-hour show hosted by Roger Stone every Saturday.
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The show is short-lived on GCN, which isn't suspicious at all.
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I say slightly facetiously.
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Ironically, his time slot is now filled by World Crisis Radio, hosted by Webster Tarpley,
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the former InfoWars guest who turned on Alex in early 2016 when he realized that Trump
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was an aspiring fascist.
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Very bizarrely, the co-host of Roger Stone's show, The Stone Cold Truth, is a comedian
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named Travis Irvine, who I have definitely hung out with multiple times.
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I've done shows with Travis, I've booked him on my shows when he visited town, and at no
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point could I have possibly imagined that he would end up being the co-host of a Roger
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Stone radio show.
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Yeah, I know Travis.
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Point is, this world is very weird.
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This is weird!
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Yeah, he's, I know that he was a libertarian dude and he ran for mayor of his town.
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I knew that, but I couldn't have imagined he was this far.
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The idea of teaming up with Roger Stone for a radio show is pretty crazy.
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Now, hold on.
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If somebody gave me that offer, I would really have to think about it hard, because that's
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fucking hilarious.
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It is pretty wild.
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Every day, I would wake up and be like, I'm working with Roger Stone on a fucking radio?
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This is stupid!
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So the, I agree with you, but also you've got to consider the idea that you might end
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up complicit in something you don't realize you're getting involved in.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You might, anytime you agree to a project with Roger Stone, you know it comes with the
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possibility of a subpoena.
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Yeah.
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So you gotta, you gotta weigh that in your calculus.
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So either way, I don't, I don't know.
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I've listened to a number of his episodes of the show, and I, I know that Travis is
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involved with Roger Stone, but in terms of the show, it really seems like Roger just
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has him there to use as sort of a millennial stooge kind of thing.
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I don't, I don't know.
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I don't want to assume what their relationship actually is or anything like that, but it's
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really fucked up.
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I think he's a really nice guy in the times that I've met him.
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That's weird.
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Yeah, very weird.
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So anyway, Roger released his first episode on August 20th and featured an interview with
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Jesse Ventura.
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I've listened to a bunch of episodes of the show and the way I describe it is the Alex
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Jones show with no yelling and way more concentration.
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Wall to wall Trump campaigning and a little bit of Clinton bashing, throwing in, throwing
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in for good measure.
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Drivers, how have you been?
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Uh, look, I mean, Jesse's fine, whatever, but like the show itself is, is like, it almost
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is like trying to take Alex Jones and make him NPR.
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Yeah.
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That's the kind of, and a little bit more like irresponsible with their reporting.
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Right.
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Certainly.
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Well, yeah, yeah, of course.
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This third episode from September 3rd, 2016, Roger had an interview with Randy Credico.
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The interview itself is inconsequential and the two pretty much just talk about how Roger
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and Randy supported some crime sentencing reform measures way back.
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So Roger is definitely not a racist.
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That's sort of the point they're trying to make.
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The only thing that really stands out to me is how Roger introduces Randy Credico on this
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episode.
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Uh, and now, uh, in an incredible metaphysical act backed from the dead, a man who I actually
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only a few years ago swore I would never speak to again, as long as I lived and, uh, actually
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had a mass card printed out announcing his death, which I promulgated widely, uh, Randy
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Credico.
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Randy is a famed comedian.
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So that's a fucking intro.
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That's quite an intro.
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That is an intro.
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I want that intro in my life sometime.
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Sooner or later.
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If we have a falling out and then get back together as friends, I'll give you that intro.
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Okay.
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So without context, that sounds a little bit strange.
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Why did Roger swear he would never speak to Randy Credico again?
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This is a piece of the story that almost every single report that I've seen fails to discuss.
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This is important.
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This is a very big piece of the story.
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And every article that I've read has basically just said, uh, Randy Credico and, uh, Roger
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Stone had a falling out, blah, blah, blah.
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They just, no one has pulled that thread or at least no one seems to.
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I'm sure somebody has, and I just haven't seen that article, but the vast majority of
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these articles leave that question open.
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And I am the type of person who's very curious and I want to understand why, why the fuck
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did these two people who are deeply involved in a, he said, he said situation about espionage.
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Why the fuck did they have a falling out?
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It seems important.
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So it all goes back to 2007 and I would imagine that Randy was actually the one who didn't
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want to talk to Roger ever again.
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Back in 2007, Roger was working for the then New York state Senate majority leader, Joseph
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Bruno, who is probably most memorable for being a huge enemy of then governor Elliot
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Spitzer.
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Some of this stemmed from political differences, but some of it also probably was a result
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of Bruno being suspected of corruption and the fact that Spitzer's office had ordered
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the state police to track his travel records in terms of expenses and flights and that
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sort of thing.
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Ultimately, this was a misuse of state resources and Bruno was cleared of wrongdoing in terms
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of his travel history.
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But in 2009, he was convicted on two counts of what's known as quote honest services fraud,
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where he failed to disclose conflicts of interest involving him receiving $440,000 in consulting
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fees from a businessman he was friends with, which were alleged to be bribes and kickbacks.
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He was sentenced to two years in prison, but his legal problems were solved by a deus ex
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machina moment when the Supreme Court ruled in 2010 that honest services fraud statute,
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the statute regarding it was too vague, and thus his convictions were overturned and he
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walked free.
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Legally speaking, Bruno is clean, but I refuse to accept that $440,000 from a friend who's
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businessman is for legitimate consulting.
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Yeah, I would have advised him to wait until right around 2016 when that would be like,
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hey, you're doing great.
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Let her rip.
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Yeah.
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Either way, Roger worked for Joseph Bruno at the time raking in a salary of $20,000
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a month and Elliot Spitzer was breathing down his boss's legs.
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Yeah.
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Mother fucker.
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Fucking New York state politics man is a racket.
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State politics.
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He's just working for, Oh God, I want to kill these people.
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So Elliot Spitzer was breathing down Bruno's neck and so Roger Stone went to work trying
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and succeeding in taking down Elliot Spitzer.
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First, he sent the FBI a letter on November 19th, 2007, tipping them off about Spitzer's
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habit of employing sex workers.
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This to me seems like a flagrant act of hypocrisy seeing as Roger Stone is a noted sexual libertine
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and a libertarian and thus he shouldn't be opposed to sex work being illegal or punished.
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That's a bedrock of principles like in terms of libertarianism.
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I've heard him say before that he believes that in past appearances like sex work shouldn't
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be criminalized, but principles don't matter when you're a hatchet man.
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He's a rat fuck.
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Of course.
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It doesn't matter if what you're doing is directly opposed to what you believe in.
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It doesn't fucking matter.
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This wasn't the only thing that Roger did in his attack on Elliot Spitzer.
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Previous to snitching to the FBI, at about 10 p.m. on August 6th, Roger Stone called
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Elliot Spitzer's father Bernard and proceeded to threaten him with legal action.
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Bernard Spitzer had nothing to do with Roger's political work.
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He called him out of pure ugliness and malice.
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As we listen to this call, this voicemail...
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We have the voicemail?
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We do.
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Oh shit.
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As you listen to it, remember that the recipient of this call is Elliot Spitzer's 83 year old
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father who, at the time, was suffering from Parkinson's.
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This is a message for Bernard Spitzer.
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You will be subpoenaed to testify before the Senate Committee on Investigations on your
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shady campaign loans.
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You will be compelled by the Senate Sergeant at Arms.
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If you resist the subpoena, you will be arrested and brought to Albany and there's not a goddamn
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thing your phony psycho piece of shit son can do about it.
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Bernie, your phony loans are about to catch up with you.
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You will be forced to tell the truth and the fact that your son's a pathological liar will
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be known to all.
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There are a number of flourishes in the vocal pattern in there that are like, that's fucking
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Roger to a T.
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I think he wrote that down too.
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It's possible there was a script.
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He was definitely reading off of the script.
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In the aftermath of this call being released, Bruno asked Roger to step down, which Roger
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agreed to do, but he nonetheless proceeded to tell anyone who had listened that he'd
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been set up.
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First, Roger said flatly that he didn't make the call.
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It wasn't me.
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He was shagging.
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That's a shaggy strategy.
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Nice.
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Then a private investigator that Bernard Spitzer hired showed evidence that he had traced the
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call and it had come from Roger's apartment.
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With that information on the table, Roger had to pivot, so he claimed that anyone could
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have broken into his apartment and made the call, but also seemed to have no concern about
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his apartment being broken into.
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He claimed that he was at a live performance of Frost-Nixon that night, saying that he
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quote, highly recommends it to Governor Spitzer.
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It shows you what hubris and lying brings you.
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This alibi fell apart when New York Magazine pointed out that the company putting on Frost-Nixon
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had a dark night on August 6th, so he literally couldn't have been...
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Wait, the quote from him was, this shows he went lying and...
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Hubris.
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Oh, man, lying and hubris.
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He... Oh, my God.
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Both demonstrated by his own actions.
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That's the same... Oh, God, he's so fucking crazy.
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He's amazing.
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He's a nut.
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Roger had nowhere to turn, but he needed to spin this, because the optics of having for
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no reason left a threatening message, like leaving a threatening message on an old man's
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phone, that's not the kind of dirty trickster image Roger likes to cultivate.
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He likes to present himself as the cunning, shitty, but brilliant kind of guy, doing those
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sorts of stunts, not the pointless, petty, and just abusive for the sake of being abusive
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sort.
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That's not good for business.
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You can be both.
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No, you can secretly be the latter, but you want to present yourself publicly as the prior,
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because you need that.
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It's exactly what you've always responded to, the Loki trickster god kind of thing,
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when in reality, no, he is a monster.
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He's a horrible person who's made almost all of his money throughout his careers, lobbying
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and supporting dictators.
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If you look into who, like Manafort, Stone, and Black, Manafort, Stone, who they worked
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for, it is a who's who, not a who's who, there's other people who they didn't work with, but
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there are a lot of murderous dictators in their ranks, and then you look at the three
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of them, and then Lee Atwater got involved with them too, like the guy who made the fucking
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Willie Horton ad.
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Man!
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Yeah, I mean, it's a slimy crew, and they worked for worse people.
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Roger is a really, really bad person, not this comical bad person that he likes to present,
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because it's easier for him to do his business.
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I feel like as far as representing those guys and lobbying for the dictators, that's just
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more like knowing people, because the job is open, man.
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You have to have zero morality in order to do that shit, so it's not like people are
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clamoring.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But the money is big.
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I really want to lobby for Nikola Ceausescu.
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I'm not sure if he worked with Ceausescu, but like, you know, you have, let me get my
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list up here of some of his great hits, Mobutu Sisi Siko in Zaire, who was, the United Nations
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said that he, quote, presided over the worst human rights conditions in Africa.
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He had made a habit of murdering political dissidents in public in order to terrorize
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the public, and embezzled at least $5 billion from his own country and U.S. foreign aid.
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That's a lot of money.
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And Roger still worked with him.
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And then, of course, another one of his great clients was Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines,
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which I believe we've already talked a little bit about that dirty business.
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Yeah.
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So Roger, that's the real like version of the sort of business he's involved in.
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He likes to cultivate the fun, ha ha ha.
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Look at him.
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Right.
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How's he going to get away with this one?
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He's like, oh, I'm in a number teen and I fucks around and I got a tattoo and Nixon
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on my back.
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And it's kind of ironic, but it's also pretty serious.
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So with no other option left and needing to spin this, Roger Stone blamed Randy Credico.
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The Washington Post relates Roger's rationale, quote, speaking of Credico.
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He's been on Letterman.
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He's been on Leno, says Stone.
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He does an incredible impression of former senator, New York Senator Alphonse D'Amato.
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OK.
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So his argument now, as I understand, or his his claim now is Randy Credico broke into
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his apartment.
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Right.
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Made the call to Bernard Spitzer, did a perfect Roger Stone impression.
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Under the auspices of the Spitzer people trying to set Roger up.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Yes.
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That's what it has to be at this point for Roger's version of the story.
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It's a false flag.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So he goes on to say that Credico has done an impression of him in the past and then
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he really swung for the fences by accusing Credico of being a cocaine addict.
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That's Roger's style.
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You always include a personal attack that is somehow meant to invalidate the person
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who could be a voice that refutes your point.
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Yeah.
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That is how he does it.
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It's it's very consistent throughout his career.
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Like the American justice system.
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You hear it over and over again in his appearances on Info Wars, even the way he attacks people
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who could provide criticism of all that shit.
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So Randy Credico thought the accusation was funny.
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Quote.
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That's hilarious.
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I'm absolutely denying it.
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I mean, he does have an easy voice to do, but I haven't heard him or seen him in years.
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In order for Roger's story to work, as you pointed out, pro Spitzer forces would have
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to have enlisted Credico to make this phone call posing as Roger, but they'd also have
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to have seamlessly broken into his house to place the phone call and brought Credico along.
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Oh, and also, they'd somehow have to convince Roger to lie about his alibi the night in
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question.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This is nonsense.
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Roger did it.
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Roger totally made that call.
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He blamed Randy Credico.
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This is why Roger thought they would never speak again, and there's a good chance that
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they wouldn't have, but they did, because in 2016, Roger once again needed a patsy.
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That's important.
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On September 3rd, 2016, when Roger had Randy Credico on the Stone Cold Truth, Roger's involvement
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in communicating with Assange was already well underway.
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According to Roger's indictment, by June or July of 2016, Roger was already telling senior
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Trump campaign officials, which many people think is Steve Bannon.
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I'm not entirely sure if that's confirmed, because there's multiple references to Trump
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officials in the document, and they're not specified if it's the same person.
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Person one.
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They're not saying person one.
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They're saying high-level Trump campaign officials.
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Right, right.
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Gotcha.
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So it's unclear, being able to track whether it's all the same, but a lot of people believe
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it's Steve Bannon.
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Yeah.
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So he was already telling senior Trump campaign officials that WikiLeaks had damaging information
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and documents about Hillary Clinton.
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On June 22nd, WikiLeaks released the DNC emails, and three days later, Roger emailed Jerome
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Corsi and told him to, quote, get to Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get
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the pending emails.
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Corsi forwarded the email that Roger had sent him to Ted Malik, who we've seen pop up a
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time or two on Infowars in the past.
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He's a British weirdo, who he's famous for the declaration, Davos man is dead.
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Yeah, he might as well be called Ted Moloch.
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He's a bit of a fraud himself.
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We've gone over him in the past.
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He's not really all that important, except for he's not named in this, and he's not like
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a person one, two, or three either in the document, which I find weird.
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It makes me think that maybe he's not a target.
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Maybe he's cooperating or something like that.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what to make of that.
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It was worth it for me to get that demon joke in there.
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Sure.
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So, the way that the command is delivered to Corsi doesn't seem to imply that this is
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an unreasonable thing for Roger to be asking of him.
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He doesn't tell him to try to get to Assange.
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The way it's phrased heavily implies that they had reason to believe that they could,
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in fact, get in touch with him.
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By August 2, 2016, Corsi was emailing Roger with suggestions that he knew what the next
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right-wing coordinated attack on Hillary was going to be.
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Quote, would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old memory bad has stroke.
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Corsi also told Roger that he expected the next batch of emails would have to do with
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the Clinton Foundation.
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Almost immediately, Roger began telling everyone that he'd spoken to Assange and the next documents
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would likely be about the Foundation.
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Almost as if he was repeating and embellishing the things Corsi told him.
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Roger would continue claiming that he had spoken with WikiLeaks until WikiLeaks put
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out a statement in mid-August saying they had not communicated with him.
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So his story changed to him having talked to them through an intermediary.
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On August 23, 2016, Roger was a guest on Randy Credico's radio show and Credico asked Roger
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about how Roger had been in communication with Assange.
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In that interview, Roger told Randy Credico, quote, we, meaning him and Assange, have a
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mutual friend, someone we both trust and therefore I'm a recipient of pretty good information.
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The date of this interview is important because it predates Randy Credico ever speaking with
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Julian Assange.
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The first time the two were in contact was when Assange was a guest on Credico's radio
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show on August 25, 2016.
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Roger's communication, through intermediaries or not, predates the possibility of Randy
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Credico being his intermediary.
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Jerome Corsi was the person who was coordinating with Roger on this front, but Roger couldn't
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blame Corsi.
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The two were too connected and throwing Corsi under the bus would raise too many dicey questions.
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But Randy Credico was perfect.
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It was plausible since Assange had been on Credico's show, thus there was a kernel of
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an idea that Roger could work with.
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But more importantly, blaming Credico in theory didn't lead anywhere.
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Credico wasn't aware of any of the internal machinations, but Corsi was.
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This is why when Roger testified in front of the House Intelligence Committee, he said
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his intermediary was Credico and never brought up Jerome Corsi because he needed that to
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be the perception.
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By November 2017, Roger had publicly claimed that Credico was his go-between with Assange.
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And unsurprisingly, Credico got a request from the House Committee to come testify.
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He texted Roger about it and Roger replied with a quote from Richard Nixon, quote, Stonewall
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it, plead the fifth, anything to save the plan.
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This is a paraphrasing.
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What?
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That's pretty overt.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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This is a paraphrasing of something that Nixon told John N. Mitchell, his former attorney
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general on March 22nd, 1973, approximately 11 months before he would be formally impeached.
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Much like Nixon, Roger was stupid enough to say something like that in a manner that would
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be recorded.
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On November 28th, 2017, Credico was subpoenaed by the committee and he told Roger about it.
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Roger told him to plead the fifth, but then two days later, he would run to Jerome Corsi
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and ask him to start writing some articles about Credico.
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After a sense that his patsy wasn't cooperating, so he planned the public scapegoating that
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he was going to initiate that plan.
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Corsi replied to his request by saying, quote, why not wait to see what he does?
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You might be defending yourself too much, raising new questions that will fuel new inquiries.
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This may be a time to say less, not more.
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How is Corsi the wisest person in this story?
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I think Corsi low key, because he's so boring and a douche, I think that we maybe underestimate
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how like involved in shit he might be.
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Also, yeah.
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And also, so his go between is Corsi.
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How is Corsi in contact with Assange?
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He might also be making all of it up.
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That's possible.
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I don't know.
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But also it could be through Farage or, you know, there's a network of all those people
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who were in London.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Could be Ted, could be Ted Malek too.
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That could entirely be, I mean, until we know more, I do think that Roger is lying to cover
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this up.
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I don't know what Corsi's game is.
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He could be making all of it up himself and funneling it to Roger and Roger thinks it's
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coming from Assange or Corsi could actually be in touch with Assange some way.
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But either way, Roger can't afford for that information to come out because it's a legitimate
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thread.
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It also ties into Info Wars.
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It becomes a huge disaster for him if Corsi's in the mix.
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Who knew our show would be incredibly relevant in 2018 or 2019?
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Still writing June on your checks.
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So two days after telling this weird Nixon quote to Credico in order to get him to plead
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the fifth, two days later, on November 30th, he reaches out to Jerome Corsi and tells him
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to start writing about Credico.
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On November 30th, 2017, Roger Stone released a statement on Info Wars on the website where
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he extolled the decency of Randy Credico and how the committee was wasting their time in
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interviewing him.
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There's no byline on the story, so Corsi may or may not have written it.
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Either way, the editorial tone at Info Wars, it wouldn't stay flowery towards Credico for
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long.
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And behind the scenes, Roger was anything but laudatory towards him.
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This is a tried and true manipulation strategy.
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Roger said these complimentary things for two reasons in his statement about Credico.
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One, as a way to try and persuade Credico to going along with him in his, you need to
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plead the fifth plan.
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Dear Credico, commit a crime.
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It's mostly, it's a public statement on the website, but it's also a message directly
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to Credico through the website.
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And the second function that it serves is that he could use the compliments later to
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inflict further guilt, as Roger would do later, emailing him quote, everything I've said
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publicly about you has been complimentary, yet you continue to act like Nunberg.
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Referencing Sam Nunberg, the guy who got questioned by Mueller and then ended up drunk all over
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TV, talking shit about Roger.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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So the next day after that article, December 1st, Roger texted Credico and told him to
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do a Frank Pentagelli, referencing the character in Godfather II who pleads the fifth, but
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also knows what the congressional committee wants to know.
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This is a really damning reference considering that Frank Pentagelli was set up by Forlione
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and was being threatened into not testifying.
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Also Frank does testify, then recants after he's been threatened.
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Then he's threatened more and told his family will be safe if he commits suicide.
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So he does, I don't know about Credico, but I would not be quick to do a Frank Pentagelli
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and someone who like Roger fucking Stone saying that to me would obviously be interpreted
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as a threat.
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He literally sent two text messages that are like, I committed a crime, please help me
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cover it up.
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This is mob shit.
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Yeah.
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And it's referencing other shit where people fucking committed a crime.
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You bet.
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What an idiot.
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That same day, Randy Credico replies and warns Roger that Roger needs to amend his testimony
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before December 15th, the day he was scheduled to testify.
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Credico was doing this because by this point he'd figured out that he couldn't be Roger's
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go-between considering that he hadn't spoken to Assange when Roger was going around the
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media in early August claiming that he'd communicated with WikiLeaks.
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He knew that his testimony would contradict Roger's and was extending a very unnecessary
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courtesy.
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It's unclear what happened between December 1st and December 12th, but on the 12th Credico
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told the committee that he would assert his Fifth Amendment rights if he was forced to
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testify.
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Based on information that is public, I can't say what happened there, but it's really hard
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not to assume that it had something to do with Roger.
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The fact that the indictment doesn't include any interactions between those dates is very
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telling.
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I'm no legal scholar, but I'm positive that Mueller has those interactions, and you can
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make your own conclusions about why they're not in there.
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Dear Credico, I will kill you.
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I will kill you.
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I will kill you.
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Or, I mean, there was one point when Roger's emailing with a Trump person, someone in the
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administration or the campaign, and the person asks him, do you have any news about Assange
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or WikiLeaks, and he says, yes, let's go on WhatsApp.
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So there's a decent chance that between that time-
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Should have used Signal.
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I'm telling you.
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I'm telling you, man.
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But there's a decent chance between that time Roger was communicating with him through some
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encrypted thing and saying those sorts of horrible, but to be fair, the things he's
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already saying to him just over unprotected means is pretty damning.
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So whatever the case, I'm not entirely sure what all the details are.
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I think some of that will come out as time goes on, but for now we have to leave that
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sort of vague.
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By the end of December, Credico had second or third thoughts and decided he was going
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to talk to the FBI and the committee.
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The timing here is interesting because by that point, Manafort and Rick Gates had been
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indicted and Michael Flynn had just pled guilty to cut a deal.
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If you're Randy Credico and you're seeing all these people going down and you're mixed
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up with the guy who knows all of them, it's got to feel weird.
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You're being vaguely threatened by the guy who knows all of them and the guy who knows
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all of them was also one of their lobbying partners for years when they worked with dictators.
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That would not be a pleasant position to be in and I would be like, yeah, I'm talking
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to the FBI now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You keep referencing the vaguely threatening things.
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I don't want to test if you're bluffing.
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Who am I going to be friends with?
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Is it the guy who I know is guilty because he texted me guilty shit or the FBI who have
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proven that a bunch of other people are guilty?
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So Credico told Roger that he wasn't going to let Roger's lies about him stand and Roger
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didn't take it well.
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Credico began making media appearances to clear his name and tell his side of the story.
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Then on April 9th, 2018, Roger emailed Credico to tell him, quote, you're a rat, a stoolie.
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He also threatened to, quote, take that dog away from you, which is probably a reference
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to killing his dog.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's like that's my dog that you're holding on to and then, I don't know.
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So he also said, quote, I'm so ready.
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Let's get it on.
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Prepare to die, cocksucker.
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This is right back to, like, hubris all over again.
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When Roger was asked about these emails back in May 2018, Roger said most of them were,
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quote, probably fabricated, which is a weak denial.
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Most and probably being in there, I'm not, I don't, I'm not interested.
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Somebody broke into my apartment.
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Right.
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They sent an email from my computer.
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Credico emailed himself.
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Got to blame him again.
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Yep.
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In perhaps my favorite part of this story, when Mother Jones was reporting on these emails
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back in May, they reached out for comment from Roger and this paragraph is pure fucking
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gold.
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He said, quote, in a text message to Mother Jones, Stone did not dispute sending this
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particular message to Credico, but he maintains he was not making a threat and contends that
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Credico is citing his words out of context, quote, quote, he told me he had terminal prostate
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cancer, Stone writes.
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It was sent in response to that.
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We talked about it too.
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He was depressed.
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I'm going to take your dog because he's got, okay, no, the prepare to die, cocksucker.
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That's what he's talking about.
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He told me he had terminal cancer, prepare to die, cocksucker.
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So that was Roger's spin on it.
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Credico says he did not, he does not have prostate cancer and did not have such a conversation
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with Stone.
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And he doesn't even have a dog.
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So once again, Roger just being like real fucking making everything up.
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So this is a cut and dry case of witness intimidation and tampering.
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Roger was clearly lying or he was clearly trying to vaguely threaten Credico into pleading
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the fifth because he knew that if Credico didn't, Roger's testimony was going to be
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contradicted and those contradictions would raise suspicions.
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Those suspicions would be examined, the timeline would fall apart and Jerome Corsi would come
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into play, something Roger never wanted to happen.
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Roger intentionally lied to Congress to cover up Corsi's involvement in all this and then
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committed witness intimidation to make sure those lies weren't realized.
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And based on everything I can tell from the charging document, he's dead to rights on
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this.
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It's a open and shut case.
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The chrome plated balls on this dude.
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Sure.
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Unreal.
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But here's the important thing to realize and why I told you this long ass story.
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Compulsive behaviors naturally trend towards forming a pattern.
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Serial killers start to develop routine behaviors and habitual liars do too.
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Given the information present, it would be a stretch for me to say that Roger Stone is
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guilty of deeper involvement in the DNC and Podesta hackings and the dissemination of
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the hacked materials.
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But his behavior deeply suggests to me that he is.
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His response to early suggestions that he was involved in any of this stuff followed
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literally the exact path that his denials of being the one who harassed Elliot Spitzer's
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dad went.
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It's the exact same pattern.
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First step, deny things aggressively.
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Second step, lie as much as you can.
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Third step, keep lying until people don't believe you anymore.
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Fourth step, blame Randy Credico.
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If you take Randy Credico out of the equation, this is also the exact pattern that Roger
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followed when he was forced to step down from a position in the 1996 Bob Dole campaign after
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he was accused of posting a classified ad looking for people to swing with him and his
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wife.
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Deny, lie, keep lying, blame someone else.
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In that case, an unnamed domestic employee, he said, had a drug problem just like he did
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with Credico in 2007.
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We all learn from our experiences as humans and generally speaking, we have a tendency
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to repeat successful behaviors.
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In the case of the 2016 campaign and the propaganda campaign surrounding it, Roger replayed the
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behavior that got him out of trouble in 1996, 2007, and undoubtedly a ton of other times
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that we're not aware of.
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In this case though, it seems like the underlying crime was too big for his patsy just to laugh
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it off.
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Right.
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And that is kind of what I feel about the indictment.
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Wow.
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Sorry about that, what is that, half an hour story time.
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That was fucking great.
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I was enraptured with your storytelling.
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There's connections that I don't think people are making.
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And some of it has to do with, I don't know, lack of awareness or lack of curiosity perhaps
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in some reporting.
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And then some of it is just like, I understand that I'm making connections that maybe can't
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be proven, but are definitely there.
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The patterns of behavior are definitely there.
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If you walked me into a court, I probably couldn't make this argument to a legal satisfaction.
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But in terms of how I view, like what's the most likely scenario, I feel very confident
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that this is, and that's not to say that Roger absolutely was in touch with Russian intelligence
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or anything like that.
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But the way he acted when these accusations started coming up implies that he believes
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he might have been.
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That's the, I think that's as far as I'm willing to go.
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These guys have got to, they finally have to realize the worst thing that happened to
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them was Trump winning the presidential.
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Like they didn't actually, nobody thought he was actually going to win.
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So they were just like, fuck yeah, I can show off my skills and then use that showing off
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to fucking sell those skills to somebody else.
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It sort of feels like the classic, like be all dirty and shit, but like we'll do well
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enough in this campaign in order to parlay it.
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Yeah, they thought they were auditioning.
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That's what they were really doing.
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They didn't really, the worst thing that happened to them was Trump winning.
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It'll lead to tons of contracts and other ways that we aren't as tied down as we now
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are because of crimes against the United States.
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So I don't know, I think that's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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We're recording this on Sunday and already there's the, you know, articles are starting
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to come out about Roger saying like, look, if it turns out I know something, I'll talk
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to Mueller.
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There's already indications that he's like, I'm gonna get out of this because I read the
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indictment.
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I realized that I'm fucked.
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Uh, Hey, I'm a slimy motherfucker.
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Who do you want information on Alex fucking Trump?
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I don't give a shit.
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We conspired to steal an election because there's another important piece to consider
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and that is that nothing in that indictment relies on credit goes testimony or even, uh,
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courses.
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It is basically entirely made up of these documents.
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The emails, the, uh, the, the texts and stuff like that.
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There's no, like he said, he said about this, it's entirely like we can show that at this
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date you said this, you guys were having this conversation at that date.
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Your testimony contradicts that.
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Therefore you lied to Congress.
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All the lying stuff.
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I know exactly that all of the lies it's telling.
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I'm sure Roger lied about more stuff in his testimony, but the things that he's charged
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with are all things that served to cover up Corsi's involvement.
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Those things I think that you can probably end up like Roger's going to plead his public
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case that I just didn't remember or whatever.
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And maybe that's a slippery thing to try and nail him down on.
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The witness intimidation is not, that is a hundred percent borne out by those documents
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and it reaches the legal standard witness tampering.
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And uh, I think that he knows that he's probably going to get 20 years.
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Like I, he should, if he doesn't cut a deal, like I don't, I can't imagine the way he's
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carried himself throughout this entire like last two and a half years or so yelling about
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Miller every day on the radio saying that he's guilty of treason and stuff like that.
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I don't see any reason people would show lenience towards him.
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No, no, no, no.
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They were, they were, they were nicer to Manafort because at least he wasn't being an asshole
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while they were investigating him.
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Stone is, Stone is fucked and everybody hates him.
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And the only reason that he would get off is if Trump pardon him.
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And the only reason Trump would pardon him is if he knew that Roger Stone knew some shit.
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And the only reason that he does know that Roger knows, but I also think that if he,
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I know that we kind of have slightly different feelings about whether or not Trump could
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pardon Roger and I, I concede that he could and everything is up for grabs nowadays in
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terms of what you can get away with.
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But I also think if he were to do that, it would be definitely obstruction of justice.
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Oh yeah.
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Like it would lead to a charge.
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Everything that Trump has done so far is, it is absurd.
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He threatened somebody through Twitter.
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Yeah, I know.
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But that's Twitter.
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This would be like directly pardoning someone who tried to derail an investigation.
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And that would be, I think that would be, I hope that would still be beyond the pale.
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You would hope.
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I hope.
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I don't know.
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It wouldn't.
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And nobody would care because the right wing is like, guess what?
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We're going to survive this.
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We've survived so much shit in the past two years.
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It is nonstop all of the illegal things that we've done and it's fine.
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Nobody can pay attention long enough for us to not get away with shit.
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So now that all that's out of the way, we've got the indictment stuff, but I think we have
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a pretty decent grasp on what's going on with that, where that comes from and all that stuff.
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Now we can jump in to January 25th and Alex's immediate response to his best buddy, the
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guy who tells him every narrative to do apparently, Roger Stone getting arrested.
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And here is an out of context drop.
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Have you ever heard Roger tell a lie?
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Hubris!
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Roger's never told a lie.
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Roger Stone is a straight shooter.
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So Alex gets on air at 11 and 11 at his time, Roger got arrested at six or so.
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He's had a few hours, assuming he was awake, I have no idea.
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This guy named Harrison Smith, he's this sort of underling at Info Wars.
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He's the guy who found those Antifa Soros documents on 4chan and made a big deal out
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of it.
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Yeah, he's a brilliant, brilliant researcher.
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He's terrible on air too, has zero charisma, awful, awful as a host.
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He was filling in for David Knight because David Knight had that heart attack and isn't
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allowed to host his own show for a while, which again, we support and applaud.
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So Harrison Smith was hosting it and it was atrocious.
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Like I watched a bit of it and I'm like, wow, how has Alex not bum-rushed the studio and
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just been like, we are in a crisis.
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We need some, Owen, get in there, anything.
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Call Joe Biggs back in.
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It seems like he should have broken through the wall like the fucking Kool-Aid man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Entitement!
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Ooh yeah!
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Yeah, I mean, it just goes to show how shallow his bench is.
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You know, like in the day when you need a fucking spin artist in there, you got Harrison
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Smith.
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Yeah.
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Good luck.
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Ironically, the only person who should have been in there that wasn't Alex is Roger Stone.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I like too that Harrison Smith is trying to compare the treatment of, you know, Roger
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Stone to like Solzhenitsyn.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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No, that makes perfect sense.
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He's reading off a teleprompter and he tries to say the Gulag Archipelago and he trips
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over the words so bad.
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It's clear that he has no idea what the words are and he's just reading something someone
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else has written.
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It's embarrassing.
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It's so bad.
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It's just, and so I was expecting like Alex is going to come in with a head of steam.
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He's got to write the ship, his own broadcast.
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Like to the Harrison Smith is so bad that David Knight calls in and brings life to his
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own ship.
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David Knight calls in.
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David Knight is the one who is saving this performance.
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Somewhat.
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It's still not good, but like the level of talent is so glaring.
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Like we hate David Knight and think he's boring, but next to Harrison Smith, that guy is a
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showstopper.
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So I give it two days before they start comparing Roger to a Martin Luther King Jr.
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Undoubtedly.
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This is the letters from the Birmingham jail all over again.
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Undoubtedly.
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So Alex starts the show and like I said, I expected him to come in with a head of steam,
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but he's actually kind of subdued.
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There's a little bit of like a, like a almost focused energy, a little bit.
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It doesn't last the whole show, but it definitely starts on a somewhat even keel and Alex's
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whole thing seems to be at the beginning of the show.
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I think he's aware how many fucking people are going to tune into his show to see what
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the fuck freak out he has.
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So he's seeing excessive traffic coming to his website and so all he wants to do is make
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sure that everybody knows that he's about to talk to Roger Stone, who's just gotten
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out of jail on bail and it is a world exclusive and he's furious that more media outlets aren't
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saying Info Wars has the exclusive for Roger Stone.
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So there's a little bit of pettiness to start off the show.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is a world exclusive info wars.com reporter, Patriot, former chief
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advisor to Donald Trump, Roger Stone was SWAT team raided in a disgusting act of police
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state theater by the now politicized arm of the deep state, the FBI in a pre-dawn raid
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that CNN of course had been tipped off to with the reporter lying on TV like a Cheshire
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cat saying that he hadn't been.
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Well Roger Stone last night predicted to me, he said, I think they're coming for me tomorrow.
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He said, I can just feel it.
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I can see it all, all the preparation, everything.
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And he sent me a text message saying they're preparing to move in for the kill and boy
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was he right.
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So Roger Stone exclusively joins us.
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This is the first interview world exclusive right now.
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He just bonded out about 30 minutes ago.
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World exclusive.
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Roger, thanks for joining us.
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You've got the floor obviously for this segment, the next and please lay it out.
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Alex, I can say I've had greater, better moments, better morning, shall we say.
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Where should we start?
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Not good.
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Not good.
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I think you can get a sense there that Roger not into this interview.
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He is a, he's not Roger Stone, the character that we've come to know on info wars as a
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flamboyant calling Adam Schiff a cocksucker and screaming about how he's wronged by everybody.
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I think the reality is set in and lying is not so fun for him anymore because he has
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consequences in front of him.
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Yeah, he's probably not used to that.
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What he's really not used to is being handcuffed to his hands and feet while shuffling into
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a courtroom.
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And he will address that a little bit later.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And where it's like, that might change a little bit of how you're going to do business that
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day.
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Shit gets real, real quick when you're in shackles, I imagine.
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So they're having this world exclusive interview and Roger in this next clip is just basically
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reading a statement.
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And spoiler alert, this is almost exactly the statement he reads when he ends up going
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out in front of the courthouse and talking to the gaggle of press that is out there.
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So here is Alex's fantastic world premiere exclusive.
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Where should we start with how you were able to predict this last night over the phone?
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What happened this morning?
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What happened once they got into your house?
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Also, I want to address this really quick.
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The idea that he thought like he predicted this is not that surprising.
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Pretty recently Mueller requested his testimony from the House committee.
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It's obvious that he knew he'd lied.
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So like, obviously, if the investigator is requesting those documents, that means that
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they have reason to believe that this will provide them with the information they need
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to charge you.
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So him being like, they're coming.
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Of course they're coming, Roger.
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And if he did predict it, that justifies the pre-dawn raid.
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Like that's the most justification for the pre-dawn raid.
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He's like, oh, God damn it.
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I couldn't make it to my fucking hidden care of it.
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If I had one more day.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And then what happened once you were in jail?
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Then what unfolded after that?
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The important thing I think off the bat is that after a two year investigation, none
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of these charges relate to Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration.
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And I actually think that that's worse for Roger.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.
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But whenever you were reading that wall of text, I was like, they're not talking about
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Russian collusion at all, which means they're charging stone with something in order to
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make sure that they get that conviction, which means when they do charge somebody with Russian
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collusion, they have got that conviction already there so they can use a conviction instead
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of an indictment.
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That's possible.
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That's what I'm saying.
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That's some of my feeling about it and what I think is conspicuous in its absence.
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So Roger is using that as a way to be like, it has nothing to do with all this other stuff,
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but it does just on a secondary level.
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So anyway, he's being fast and loose about this, but who cares?
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For any other illegal act connected to the 2016 election.
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Prepare to die, cocksucker.
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In the Congress, in my testimony, on matters that are immaterial and in which there is
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no intent, any error I did make would have been inconsequential and would have been inadvertent.
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That's not true.
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I mean, we went through the lies, but they're not unintentional.
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You don't accidentally just forget, oh, the person that I said was Randy Kretiko was actually
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Jerome Corsi and I'm going to uniformly lie to cut Jerome Corsi out of this whole thing.
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So I don't know.
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I understand that he probably thinks that this defense is going to work, but just as
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an external observer, I don't think it's going to.
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I think it's thin.
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Yeah.
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The spin is very hollow when you start your interview with what it essentially amounts
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to, I am sad.
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I am very sad.
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Sad day, Alex.
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So you might've been able to tell in that clip there, Roger's having a little bit of
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phone issues.
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He's having some troubles with technology and that continues into this next clip.
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Please describe what happened because your phone's been breaking up.
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Repeat, you said 29?
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29 FBI agents showed up at my home, pounded on the door.
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I opened the door to, uh, you know, pointed, uh, automatic weapons.
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I was handcuffed.
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There were, I don't know, 17 vehicles in the street with their lights on.
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They terrorized my wife and my dogs.
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They executed a search warrant to search the premises and CNN was, was present.
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So CNN was tipped off prior to my arrest.
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Unbelievable world is closed to Roger and we're going to go to break in a moment and
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come back and let you walk through what happened after that.
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Do you notice how he's just describing what a, like a routine arrest is?
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Like he's a victim of it when it's the result of his actions.
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That's not a coincidence.
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That's what all these people on the right do.
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Everything he's describing is exactly what you would expect.
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People with guns, of course.
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The bunch of cars, of course.
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This is a high profile target who is involved in something pretty messy.
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Not that you would expect a shootout to happen or anything like that, but you do expect him
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to have a trap door in his house.
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Like that's, that's why you're doing that.
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Cause you're, you're like, is, is if he gets anywhere near that fireplace, it's going to
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spin around to the outside and he's going to be able to run away.
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And the idea of like, they put me in handcuffs.
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Yes.
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You got arrested.
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They searched my house.
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Yes.
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There is a reasonable suspicion.
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There is further evidence there.
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So like all this stuff is like, I don't, this falls on deaf ears when he is involved with
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an outlet that routinely demonizes black youths that are killed by police.
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I was literally just thinking like the next with all the subtext of this is Alex going
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like, but you're not black.
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It's it's, I don't even think that what Roger's coming from is a race standpoint.
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It's a status standpoint.
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He has like a, how dare you do this to, do you know who I am?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's that sort of feel to it.
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And whatever.
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So in this next clip, what we hear is that Alex is trying to boost Roger's press conference.
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Talk about how awesome it is, but he still only seems to care that he got to talk to
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him before the press conference.
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Ladies and gentlemen, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of reporters are queued up in
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Florida, outside the courthouse, trying to get an interview with Roger Stone.
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Well, he's here exclusively global exclusive, and he's going to make them wait while literally
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hundreds and hundreds more pile up one of the biggest press conferences in history.
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He goes on to later say it's bigger than OJ's press conference and a couple, a couple points
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on that OJ's press conference was an official event and it was indoors in a small ballroom.
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Of course, there's more people outside the Florida courthouse where notorious Dick hole
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Roger Stone is getting processed.
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Of course.
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People, if I were in Florida, I would drive a couple hours to show up and yell something
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at it.
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It'd be great.
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Uh, so I only imagine that tons of people were like, Oh hell yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's why there's tons of people there.
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It's not like it's actually like most of them think this is newsworthy or like bigger than
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OJ.
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I wouldn't mind, like just from a standpoint, I think a treasured thing that I would like
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on my phone is like video of him with shackles on.
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Like I would watch that anytime I'm sad, I would watch that and be like, we got him.
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Yeah.
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There's something gratifying about that.
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Although I will say on Friday when I woke up, this news had broken.
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It was a tragedy for me.
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Yeah.
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I've been in the middle of trying to work on a very in depth, um, Wednesday episode
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for us.
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And I'd put in like three straight days.
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I was getting it all ready.
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I'm like, ah, dammit universe.
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Now you're throwing me off course.
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I got to do this Roger Stone shit.
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But Hey, you know, life progresses at its own pace and we follow it at where it goes.
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So you can see that Alex is really just like, this is the exclusive.
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We are the best.
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He's putting off all those people out there to talk to us cause we're amazing.
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And here, uh, Roger just gives him what I would describe as a boilerplate defense, uh,
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and I don't believe it.
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Oh, it's down to legit false statements to the Congress.
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And I contest all of them.
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And he, in my testimony would be honest mistakes, memory, uh, and they would be immaterial.
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They would be, uh, inconsequential, uh, so, um, uh, you know, it's a political, I think
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it's a politically motivated, well, Roger, I've talked to a lot of national members.
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I've talked to a lot of national members of the press today who were just flabbergasted
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right now, uh, because they've read the indictment.
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And you have Randy Credico saying he was talking to Assange and that he was the go between.
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I remember back at the time this being discussed, you said you knew a talk show house that knew
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lawyers from WikiLeaks.
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Everybody was trying to talk to WikiLeaks.
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So again, we've talked about this a million times.
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This is, this is making journalism illegal only only if you're bluffing about what the
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indictment actually says, right?
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Alex is, uh, you know, I mean, it's just a shit spin, but it's, it, this indicates to
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me that this is the direction Rogers trying to go with his defense.
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And I think it's not the right defense.
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I don't know what the right defense would be and it's not my responsibility to come
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up with it, but this is very soft as we've already complained about.
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Here's my pitch.
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Here's my pitch.
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Uh, leave a threatening voicemail on every senators.
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I think that would work.
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I think that would work.
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Not a bad idea.
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I'm going to kill the entire Senate's dogs.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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That'll play.
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Yeah.
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Um, so here in this next clip, uh, we see the beginning of something that Alex is the
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only person talking about in the entire world.
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Um, which leads me to believe that he's concerned about his own wellbeing, uh, in the aftermath
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of Roger getting indicted, but not just his own wellbeing, one of his family members as
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well.
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And if the press doesn't circle the wagons and see how dangerous this is, it's insane.
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And now, as you know, I've got Washington times, Washington post, AP, all these reports
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about a witness and special counsel probe, former stone associate collected payments
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from info Wars through job stone arranged.
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I have the, my phone ringing off the hook saying, did you make the hush money?
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Are you going to prison?
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So now employing people and then giving them a severance pay with that's in their contract
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because that's what he wanted to work here.
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He made a pretty good deal for himself, but I had to let him go cause I didn't like his
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writing anymore.
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Just wasn't accurate.
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Of course he now admits, okay, it was severance pay earlier.
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He was saying actually it was something else, but the point is they're now moving on to
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me and my father and my spidey sense tells me they need to move on us to take info Wars
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out and to take any support for the president out because they know we got president Trump
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elected.
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A little bit of hubris there too, but also, um, like I don't, I haven't found it.
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I can't find any like legitimate sources talking about how David Jones is going down.
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The head of HR at, uh, at info Wars.
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I like the idea of all of these fuck faces getting together and then, uh, AMLO has to
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be like, whoa, we've got a caravan of white people coming to the border.
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We're going to have to build a fucking wall.
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So it's interesting here because I did, I was able, this is one narrative that I'm not
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going to be able to really fully tell you what's going on.
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Um, but I'm going to read to you here from a Greenwich time article about Corsi and the
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situation that he's in now, uh, visa V these payments and we'll see.
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I think this is a story that's going to develop a little bit over time and especially like
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I would love to get my hands on that contract.
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I don't also, you didn't like his writing anymore.
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Did you like, you liked his writing?
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I think there's actually a really reasonable argument to be made that when Corsi went deep
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down the Q Anon hole, I would have fired it too.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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So I don't know.
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There's a decent chance that he just got too Q Anani and Alex did fire him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, there's a chance that Roger and Corsi were both pulling the wool over Alex's
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eyes in terms of their clearly documented, uh, interactions about talking to Assange.
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So that is, that is a really, really interesting, uh, especially in the context of Alex saying
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that he told Roger Stone to go get, uh, go get me WikiLeaks like and Roger called Corsi.
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Yeah.
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So, and then we've got to be called Ted Moloch and then we got all these emails going back
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and forth of how can we do this shit.
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So from this Greenwich time article quote Corsi, perhaps best known for promoting the
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false idea that former president Barack Obama was not born in the United States, has released
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internal special counsel documents fulminated against alleged plea deal offers and published
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a hastily written ebook outlining his account of interactions with his one time ally, the
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longtime Trump advisor, Roger Stone, subject of intense scrutiny in the Mueller probe.
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At the same time, Corsi says he's been collecting what he describes as $15,000 a month in payments
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from info Wars, a website that has attacked the special counsel investigation as a deep
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state conspiracy designed to topple president Trump.
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An attorney for info Wars confirmed that these payments continued for the past six months
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as severance since Corsi lost, Corsi lost his post as the website's Washington bureau
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chief, a job that Stone helped arrange according to both Stone and Corsi.
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The revelation of Corsi's arrangement with info Wars offers new context to the now frayed
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relationship between Corsi and Stone and how the on again off again alliance between two
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of America's foremost conspiracy theorists has drawn the attention of Mueller's investigators.
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So when we talk about Alex going like we're setting Corsi up in as a Washington bureau,
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that whole idea with stones, like the whole thing was stone saying we need to have him
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or maybe Alex thought we need to get a presence in Washington and Corsi was the one stone
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recommended and set up for the job, something like so.
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That's also interesting.
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$15,000 a goddamn month.
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That's so much money.
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That's so much money.
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The actual journalists get paid like a dollar every week.
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Yeah, I know.
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Insane.
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Yeah.
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That's over a hundred thousand a year.
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Corsi's pulling over like 15, 150,000 a year.
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Corsi would have been pulling in just from info Wars, let alone his nonsense.
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And that ebook is fucking good.
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Cannot keep it on the shelf.
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By the way, I just, I just, uh, got a copy of Mike Cernovich, his new book, dude.
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It was free.
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That better be.
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Yeah.
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Uh, I just, I got it in case it costs something later and I think it's probably going to be
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a disaster.
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I'll let you know after I read it.
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Anyway.
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Um, quote Corsi said in an interview that he doesn't remember being asked by Mueller's
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investigators about those payments, but he added that his brain was a mush after 40 hours
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of questioning over several days and he might've forgotten, quote, it's pretty farfetched Corsi
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said to the notion he was paid to keep quiet.
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I'm the guy who was talked to the most.
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I haven't been hushed about anything.
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So uh, you know, quote, after the Washington Post made inquiries into the payments last
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week, Corsi said he learned from Alex Jones's father, David, that the payments would stop
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according to a legal complaint Corsi filed this week against the post.
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So it's unclear whether or not, uh, so here, quote, an info Wars attorney disputed that
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saying that Corsi was fired in June and paid the remainder of a one year contract to end
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of this month.
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His info Wars pay had already been scheduled to end this month, uh, info Wars attorney
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Mark Randazzo said.
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So it's unclear.
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I could believe either version of this story, quite frankly.
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I don't, I know that Corsi's up to some shit, but that doesn't, none of this proves that
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that was hush money.
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It could be a situation where it's like, fuck it.
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Just pay him.
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God, Mark Randazzo is fucking raking it in this past couple of years for him.
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I must, he must have bought six boats out of all the bullshit that so many billable
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hours.
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God, now I wish I was representing Alex.
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Yeah.
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Um, so quote, stone Corsi and Alex Jones all said that the info Wars job and payments Corsi
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received after leaving are not related to Corsi's role in the Mueller probe, quote,
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I assisted him because he was constantly whining about being broke.
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Stone said in an interview, Corsi declined to comment on stone's characterization of his
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finances.
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So, uh, you know, it's, this is, this is real back and forth nonsense is what I would describe
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it.
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Corsi put a little away, put a little bit away.
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That's just, that's just good advice.
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Yeah.
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That's all I'm saying.
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So it's interesting to me too, cause this article has, uh, some stuff that I don't know
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if I was like aware of.
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So I, in terms of like Roger and Corsi coming together, uh, there's this sort of, I didn't
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realize this and I'm not sure if this is exactly true or if it's the public story, but hear
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from this Greenwich time article again, quote, stone has previously told the post that he
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became aware of the conspiracy theorists, Jerome Corsi and conservative writer.
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When Trump posed a question to him in 2011, who's this guy, Jerome Corsi, when stone asked
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Trump why he wanted to know about Corsi, Trump responded, quote, I've been talking to him.
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Corsi had recently published a book titled, where's the birth certificate?
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The case of the Barack Obama is not eligible to be president.
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Trump became the most public ardent supporter of Corsi's theory, staging splashy public
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appearances to taunt Obama to provide more proof about his birth.
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So then it goes on to say, uh, quote, stone and Corsi's relationship continued after Trump's
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victory.
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Stone suggested they both go to work for info wars.
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Corsi said in an interview, Ron Daza, the info wars attorney told the post that Corsi
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was one of 15 people who stone recommended to Jones as possible chiefs of the new Washington
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bureau for the conspiracy site.
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So like I said, I don't know, even with this information from this Greenwich time article,
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like you get some interesting glimpses into like the version of the story that people
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are presenting, but I can't suss the truth out about this.
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I don't know what those payments were to Corsi.
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I can't claim to.
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It's an interesting thing that I think will develop as the two of them start shitting
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all over each other and that Corsi has indicated that he's willing to work with the probe,
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the Mueller probe.
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So like this could get really ugly and we might learn a lot more in the future, but
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for now we're in a triple prisoner's dilemma now.
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Yeah.
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And everyone's a liar.
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So for now we have to put a pin in the Corsi payments narrative, although it is something
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I'm very interested in.
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So I feel like this is, this is like a Tarantino Mexican standoff.
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Like every one of them has a gun pointed at each other's head and they're both, they're
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all going to wind up shooting each other.
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Yeah.
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It does seem like politically that is what's going to happen.
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Well, I mean, maybe literally, I don't know.
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It's going to be a weird couple of couple of years.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex is still trying to do his world exclusive interview with Roger
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and he throws it to Roger.
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And then there's phone issues.
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So Roger, you have the floor to the real world right now to make the statements.
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They're encamped at your house.
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The FBI has put a big tarp up so the helicopters can show it.
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They're moving in to your home, looking for anything they can, obviously there's nothing.
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This is so historic.
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So Roger world exclusive, your thoughts about what's happening, what's unfolding.
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Get him back on.
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And his phone has people calling it, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't break into it and cut it off.
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We've had a lot of that go on.
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Yep.
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Not all the time.
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It's dialing people and going places and doing things.
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It's insane.
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It's absolutely insane.
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Probably malware from all the porn he's looking at on his phone.
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All the bad websites he's gone to.
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We have evidence he looks at porn on that phone.
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True.
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There's no doubt about it.
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Anyway.
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At the office, that's an HR nightmare.
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Yeah.
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Not if your dad is there.
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So the humor there is really fun of like, Roger, shit.
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He's not there.
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So this is the best you've ever done.
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Alex has got to kill some time now because Roger, they got to get him back on the phone.
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And so he starts complaining about his position in life and then he starts talking finances
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and you might be surprised by some of these numbers.
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Oh God.
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Buzzfeed gets $300 million a year and doesn't have the traffic of M4 or their combined network.
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Are you fucking kidding?
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Those videos?
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The videos that Buzzfeed has that are like 18 million views of chili.
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Those channels are massive.
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Also Buzzfeed just laid off.
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Well, I mean these people are owned by fucking evil corporate motherfuckers.
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Right.
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But just the proposition that Alex is bigger than Buzzfeed is absurd.
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We shell $40, $50 million a product, but it's literally marked down to half cost.
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So then that's gross $20 million.
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Well, no gross $40, then when he keeps $20, then you hire all the crew, pay all the services,
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pay for the bandwidth, do everything.
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I'm left with a couple million and then it literally all goes to lawyers.
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That is a bad setup.
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Yeah.
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If you're paying a couple million to lawyers, you are not doing things right.
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Randaza is raking it in.
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And Tim Fruge.
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Yeah, he's given up all other clients.
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I would.
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Yeah.
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Actually I wouldn't because you could multitask on this shit.
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Yeah, that's true.
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This is a cakewalk.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just like file a motion.
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Who gives a shit?
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The hours are billable, but the work is very.
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Yeah.
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Most of Mark Randaza's work is delaying and obfuscating, which doesn't take too long.
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Yeah.
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Most of what he could do could really be fit on a post-it note that he mails.
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If Alex is bringing in $20 million after paying off the products and stuff like that, let's
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assume that's the case.
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I mean, Rent, we saw the studio, not inside, but we went to where it was.
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It's kind of on the outskirts of Austin.
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So the rent probably wouldn't be that high, even though it's a giant space.
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Yeah, I would say it's probably like six or seven grand.
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Who fucking knows?
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Yeah.
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Who knows?
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I would say it's more than that probably.
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You think so?
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Yeah, I think so.
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All right.
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But even so, it's not in an area of Austin where rents would be super high.
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It's not in the middle of Austin.
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It's not downtown Austin or something like that.
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So I think that he could probably have a very reasonable but high rent.
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Then you've got to consider Bandwidth because he has his own servers and stuff like that.
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That's probably a pretty serious expense.
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Maybe to the tune of maybe a couple hundred thousand a year, something like that, if he
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does get the traffic that he pretends he does, which we'll assume for this.
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Sure.
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Now you've got to assume, Jerome, of course he's making $15,000 a month.
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In totally normal severance payments.
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If you assume that that's-
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Even when he was working there.
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Yeah, if you assume that's what his salary was.
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Roger's making more than him.
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Of course.
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So Roger's making something like $25,000 a month or something like that, at least, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, you've got to assume.
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That's a much more important piece of the operation than Corsi.
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If that is a salary that is possible at InfoWars, I'm sure he's not paying Owen and David Knight
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that much, but you've got to consider-
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Yeah, David Knight takes home a respectable two or three grand a month.
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I bet it's more than that.
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I would put him in the 10 category, something like that.
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I bet Buckley's doing great.
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Totally.
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Oh, yeah.
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I wonder that that is in the salary range for someone like Corsi.
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You got to cut down on some- I hate, as someone who is a big supporter of workers, I still
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think you're paying people too much for what they-
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You get paid what you're worth, Dan.
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How dare you?
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That's way more than they're worth.
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Unless part of that is don't snitch on the game or something like that.
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It doesn't mean that the payment's after the fact of Corsi's filing or hush money, but
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maybe all of it is like, you know we're up to some shit.
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Here's a lot of money, so you don't get complacent or feel negative about it and feel like maybe
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I'll write an encrypted email to somebody with our secrets.
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I don't know.
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That's a possibility because Corsi is not worth $15,000 a month.
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You can put that on my grave.
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I will stand by that.
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If I was one of the journalists that were laid off at Buzzfeed or whatever, I would
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hear those numbers and be like, I can give up on my morals for a little while.
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Just a year?
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I can freelance for the next three years.
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I appreciate everyone who donates to our show tremendously, but the concept of $15,000 a
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month- Cannot process it.
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Bananas.
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Cannot.
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I've never even considered that much money as a thing.
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Absurd.
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So Alex gets Roger back and he's having phone problems again and it's not great and they
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basically just talk in circles about the same.
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You can kind of describe Roger's interview almost in its entirety as being like, he's
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channeling Marion Barry.
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That's what I would say.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Set me up.
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That sort of thing.
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Eh.
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Eh.
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It works for him.
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For a little while at least.
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So Alex thinks that he's got Roger back on the phone and he gears up to throw to him.
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This is a little bit of a longer clip, but I think it's really important.
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I think it's so indicative of where Roger Stone and Alex Jones' relationship is going
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to be moving forward.
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And also this made me laugh so fucking hard.
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Roger, as you said, you're not going to be intimidated.
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I'm very proud to know you.
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I'm honored to know you.
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You're fun to talk to every day.
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You're a good friend of mine now that I've known you the last- I met you like five years
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ago, but I've gotten to know you the last three or three and a half.
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And it's just an amazing thing that we're in together, my friend.
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And so just talk about again the pre-dawn raid, your wife, what she's going through.
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They're moving into your house.
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We'll show the footage.
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They've got big tarps going on.
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They're moving in.
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I mean, this is just incredible, Roger.
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Squatter's rights.
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They're just having a picnic on the front lawn.
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There's no doubt they're going in and dropping the phone.
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All these phones are tapped.
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I mean, to tell they admit there's taps out on them.
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Nope.
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So you better believe they are so pissed right now.
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So pissed.
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So pissed.
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That we're able to talk to Roger.
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They are so upset this is going on.
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80% chance they're cutting the feed, 20% chance there's so many reporters and so many digital
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cell phones and so much stuff out there.
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Now it looks like a thousand reporters that that can also make things drop.
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You ever been in a huge traffic jam and you notice your phone keeps dropping because there's
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so many people on their phones?
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Did Roger answer?
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20% chance of the most obvious thing happening.
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Science.
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Yeah.
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And we'll obviously have Roger as this unfolds throughout the day, but you can hear that
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his voice is almost gone.
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He's been up all night long.
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We have his exclusive statement up on mfullwars.com.
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We'll obviously take the audio and the video of this right now.
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Roger Stone's exclusive interview, first interview after being released from jail.
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We're going to post this immediately to mfullwars.com to the exclusive first statement from Roger
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Stone after his arrest.
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Is it exclusive?
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Mueller as a rogue prosecutor sent text messages last night, said they're setting me up for
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the kill.
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Set me up.
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The last thing he sent me was a meme somebody made of myself, Faith, Goldie and Roger saying
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the, uh, the N word disappeared and he said, I think they're going to probably arrest me
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tomorrow.
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And I had a long conversation with him yesterday and I said, how do you know?
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He goes, I can just see it.
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He goes, there's all these puff pieces about how I've been treated bad and it's kind of
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mean.
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That's for my testimony, knowing it's coming, they don't want to look like bad guys ever
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demonizing him.
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So she and reporter admits he was waiting outside Roger Stone's house an hour before
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the arrest.
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He's still not picking up.
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Well, this is just driving me absolutely crazy.
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Well, at least we got the world exclusive, but he had a lot more to add and able to reach
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out to the president and tell the president what he thinks the president obviously needs
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to do.
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And they said, we're being hit with a denial of service attacks.
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They're definitely not a service tax.
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It's not just traffic.
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It is.
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So they're, they're attacking the feeds right now in fours live again.
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And the cell phone to grant Smith is lawyer cut out repeatedly.
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That's not Roger doing that.
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So that may be, that may be again, all the bandwidth being sucked up out of there.
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I'm going to text grant tone to call us via landline.
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I'm going to text grant right now.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Let's go to Roger Stone.
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He came outside.
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Here it is.
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So you notice what happened there.
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Alex didn't know at all that Roger had left and was going out to speak to the reporters
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and crowd that was outside the courthouse.
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Yeah.
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Your world, your world exclusive can go fuck itself now.
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I have actual media out there and I need to plead my case because I am horse fucked.
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I am completely screwed and I need to in some way at least show, like save myself a little
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bit and in fours isn't going to fucking do it.
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Alex has a lot of power in a small sector.
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If you're not in trouble, you can pretend you're in a great amount of trouble and it's
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a great cottage industry in order to make a ton of money, in order to raise your relative
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stature.
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You can make your book a bestseller probably by enough insinuation in Alex's world because
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it just is what it is.
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It's a cloistered bubble that you can exploit, but when the shit gets real, Alex can't help
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you.
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No.
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And I think that that is such a strong indication of it.
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He didn't say, hey Alex, I'll be back.
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I'm going to go talk to the reporters.
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He just disappeared and left Alex hanging and he knew Alex was on air.
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He knew that Alex was on air and making a big deal out of how this wasn't exclusive.
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This is disrespectful.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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It's a real dick move.
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I think the only thing that I'm really furious about is Roger needs, in order for his image
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to work properly, he needs one of those jokey voicemails that's like, hey, how are you doing?
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No, that was his lawyer's voicemail that came up.
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All right.
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Okay.
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He has a lot of lawyers.
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That's disappointing.
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So at this point, Roger goes out to speak to the people and Alex plays the feed from
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CNN.
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And I don't know if you watched any of this, didn't go well.
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No, I didn't.
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Do not go well.
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Hey, Alex, just want to say I'm on TV.
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Nope, nope, nope.
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That would be better.
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This was, uh, this was a tough, this was, you know what, if this was a standup, I would
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say tough set.
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Oh boy.
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You had a tough set.
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Oh boy.
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I think it's cussed everywhere in Florida, thrown at him, assaulted, on the left.
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Two year inquisition, the charges today relate in no way to Russian collusion.
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We'll get back to this here in a second, but you notice how it's almost exactly what he
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was saying to Alex earlier.
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He's reading the script of his statement in both places where Alex is pretending that
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we have access to more and to be fair, he does talk to Alex for longer than he's able
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to stay in front of these people.
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He gets booed the fuck out of there real fast.
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It's really, it's way more fun if you get, if, uh, if Roger is getting booed while he's
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given the statement.
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Yeah.
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And if you watch the video, you can see it in his face.
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The same thing you see in a comic that's bombing.
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Like a, Oh, Oh, I'm usually pretty good at these things and this is, this has gotten
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away from me.
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He should have gone to crowd work probably.
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Yeah.
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Hey, where are you from?
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Where are you from?
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Look at that shirt you're wearing.
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Anybody celebrating anything other than me being indicted?
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Wiki leaks, collaboration, or any other illegal act in connection with the 2016 campaign beyond
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a movie.
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This is, this is, this is a mad mom, no Russia trying to take his speech and put him in prison.
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Like you're doing the info wars.
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Any, any error I made in my testimony would be both material and without, Oh, there's
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a chance I came up with for Hillary.
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So I need to talk about two things about this.
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Oh, there's that thing.
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Oh, it turns out it can be used both ways.
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The first thing is I really, really hate to do this, but I might have to give info wars
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partial credit for starting the lock her up chant.
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Now.
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Not Alex himself, but it might've been his employee, Joe Biggs.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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As we learned when we went over Alex's 2015 path towards accepting Trump, it took him
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a while, but the whole time he hated Hillary.
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Alex would go on to accept Trump as his Lord and savior around late December, 2015.
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But by October, he'd recognize that Trump represented an amazing marketing opportunity.
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So on October 15th, 2015, he sent Joe Biggs out to the rally in Texas.
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We have been able to basically weasel our way into the Hillary Clinton event.
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And right now, as you can see, I have on my Hillary t-shirt and I'm standing in front
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of this Stalin-like photo of Hillary Clinton.
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It's very eerie.
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I'm literally deep in the lion's den right now.
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So I've got my Hillary for prison t-shirt on under here.
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I'm going to release that later once she comes out and speaks and scream Hillary for prison
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and take this shirt off and then start screaming Hillary for prison.
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We'll see what happens.
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Well, Joe, it's key.
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You do this.
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Okay.
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It's key.
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Sure.
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And it's pretty easy to see that Michael Stoker is credited with starting the chant at the
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Republican National Convention.
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But that is way after October, 2015, and it's pretty easy to see how something that starts
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with Hillary for prison could be made more chantable as lock her up.
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I can't find any references to the chant that predate this field report where Joe Biggs
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says he's going to get a Hillary for prison chant going.
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And he's kind of just doing it as an ad for this really cool shirt that he's got.
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Rolling Stone was closest to capturing this in their piece about the Republican National
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Convention.
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Quote, you can hear the disembodied voice of far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
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booming through downtown Cleveland from several blocks away.
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Quote, now we're going to push even harder with more Hillary for prison shirts.
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How many Hillary for prison shirts we got here today?
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He screeches into the microphone.
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So you can see even in that it's demonstrative of this being a really good marketing opportunity
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for him.
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Way less chantable.
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Yes.
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Hillary for prison.
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No, that's not terrible.
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It's not terrible, but lock her up is much better.
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Lock her up is so good.
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You can see the linguistic path that could have been charted from that.
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Absolutely.
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Also, Alex has brass fucking balls to complain about people yelling stuff at Roger while
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he tries to give a press conference.
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On October 6th, 2016, Alex Jones announced the Bill Clinton is a rapist contest.
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I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Where he would give anyone $1,000 to wear an Infowars branded Bill Clinton shirt on
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TV for at least five seconds, and you'd get $5,000 if you could be heard saying Bill Clinton
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is a rapist.
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Now that I know he can afford that shit, he hasn't been paying anybody.
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Naturally, this took off, and Infowars began interrupting news remotes and Democrat speeches
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in hopes of getting a payout, or honestly, probably not even caring about the money.
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Alex had provided a focused strategy and completely normalized the antisocial behavior they were
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longing to express.
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In Alex's Bill Clinton contest sizzle reel, there's multiple clips of his listeners interrupting
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speeches and press conferences at Alex's own behest.
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I would say that yelling, lock him up at Roger's press conference could be seen as being rooted
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in the same antisocial impulse that those Infowars were engaging in, but I think the
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context is different.
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Yelling that at Roger falls under the heading of parody, as well as coming from a place
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that's closer to righteous indignation, so I'm going to give it a pass.
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But Alex is insane to be like, they're trying to take away his free speech by doing something
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that I literally paid people to do not three years ago, two and a half years ago.
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And in that Joe Biggs clip we played from October 2015, he's going to a Hillary rally
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and trying to create a spectacle and yell Hillary for prison.
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So it is the same behavior, it's just, you know what it turns out?
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A lot more people will come and yell at Roger Stone.
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It's not hard.
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I'm usually against mobs, but I wish I was part of that mob!
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It does seem like it might be a great time.
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Well, what do you think you would scream?
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What would you scream at him?
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I don't know.
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I'd need to workshop it for a bit.
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Off the top of my head, nothing really comes to mind.
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Off the dome, I think I would scream cut his dick off, but that's not really chantable.
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I think that would be like after the chant has kind of died down and you got that one
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guy who's trying to get it started up again and he's just like, he's just a little bit
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off and he's just like, cut his dick off!
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And everybody's like, wow, dude!
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For a second, and then they're like, yeah, cut his dick off!
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That's when Roger flees.
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Back to the courthouse.
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All of a sudden, somebody needs to be passing out pitchforks.
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That's the real tragedy here.
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There weren't enough pitchforks there.
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The agrarian life has gone by the wayside.
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So Alex is mad that people are booing him, and I understand why, because it's bad optics.
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It turns into a situation where it's like, huh, maybe a lot of people don't like Roger
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Stone.
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And his listeners have to be like, why don't they?
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And then maybe they start looking into it and be like, oh, fuck, Roger's a bad dude.
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But Alex cuts that off at the pass by, he says this repeatedly over and over again,
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that the people booing are reporters and they're not.
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No, of course not.
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They're not.
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They're a crowd of people that have gathered there to boo Roger Stone, which is a very
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understandable impulse.
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But as long as Alex presents it as this is the liberal media, the enemy of the people,
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the fake news media, they're all booing him in order to create the perception that he's
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a bad man.
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And all this stuff, that's a successful propaganda narrative.
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You're going to trick some people with that.
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It's not true, but you can trick some people with it.
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Again, I'm usually against mobs.
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And I believe that all, like not all journalists, hashtag not all journalists, yeah, oh boy,
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God damn you, would ever consider this.
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But I will be God damned if it wouldn't be the most satisfying thing if at a White House
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press briefing, all of the reporters were just like, boo, it would be interesting.
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So Alex is mad about that, but he has one criticism of Roger Stone.
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And I don't know how I feel about this.
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I felt it was, I was a little surprised.
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Let's go to this feed here of Stone.
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Let's hear this live feed of Stone walking down the steps, I guess this is from when
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he came down earlier.
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He makes that joke and does that Nixonian thing.
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I don't, I don't think any of that's funny.
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I mean, I like Roger and everything.
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He said that the FBI agents, the way they came, he said, if they just called me, I would
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have come in.
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I want to, are there guidelines?
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Are there reasons that the FBI, that's what I'm going to get to, that they had some reasons
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to believe.
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That's enough from CNN.
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They did that to make him look like a guilty criminal.
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I love the idea that he's trying to present that the media is trying to make him look
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like a guilty criminal when 20 seconds earlier he's complaining about Roger doing the Nixon
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I'm not a crook sign.
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That makes him look super guilty.
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Yeah, that was, that was, that was a weird move.
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I'm going to go with two on the nose.
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You know, when Alex is like, this is like a movie, this is like a movie, that move,
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if it wasn't a movie, you'd be like, guys, come on.
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That's silly.
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So Alex, at this point, Rogers, he can't get him back on the phone.
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He's still in front of these people and like doing poses and stuff and so he, he can't,
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he can't call Roger.
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He's a man adrift.
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He doesn't know what to do.
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Right.
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So he starts going through like these feeds like MSNBC, CNN and all this, but he'll only
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play like a second of them because they start making valid points.
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And so he's like, yeah, enough of this, enough of this, as if he's fed up with the media
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when in reality it's like, I can't let this be on my show.
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Right, right, right.
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I'm gonna have a tough time spinning out of this.
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And so instead of dealing with anything, Alex gets like really fucking weird trying to make
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a comparison about what the media is doing to Roger and those FBI agents who SWAT teamed
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his house, how they're trying to make him look guilty.
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He makes a comparison that none of us could have possibly expected.
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And it's about...
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Somali pirates.
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Nope, I wish.
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God dammit.
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I wish.
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They did that to make him look like a guilty criminal.
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I've told you this a thousand times.
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They'll have like year-long stings I've seen on Amish people who don't even sell milk or
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cheese, but the government wants their property, in a famous case in Pennsylvania, another
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one in, was it Michigan?
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Oh, like Trump down by the border?
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Hey, now hold on, hold on.
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Between a federal and state park, they wanted that land to build a road, a couple hundred
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acres.
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I've had the lawyers for them on years ago.
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Well, several of the Amish groups.
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And so for like a year, these neighbors move in and they keep begging, please sell us cheese.
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And finally the Amish guy goes, I'll just give you cheese.
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And they go, is that an Amish accent?
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In the next state.
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Give it to whoever you want, Sonny.
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Interstate crime now, got an Amish guy.
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Are you sure that's not a forty-niner?
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That's a real criminal you got there, real El Chapo.
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And then they come in with SWAT teams, guns, shoved their heads down, everything.
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And but see the average jury thinks, well, they must be bad if they did this instead.
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No, this is bad.
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So you're so close to getting it or he's trying to present as the idea that they did that
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to create the appearance that Roger merited a SWAT team ergo, he's bad.
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And Alex, I mean that character work is strong.
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I don't think it's good for Amish or Mennonite farm person or anything.
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There's gold in them hills.
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Alex is really close to that, give you some cheese from all across the state line, Sonny,
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you can give it to whoever you want.
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So there you have it.
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Roger Stone is the Amish of evil.
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Alex is way off about this story.
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He's kind of just making things up to make it seem like the government is constantly
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just trying to make, you know, make stuff up about people to jam them up.
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And that's not even close to true in the case of these Amish and those sorts of farms.
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Alex is presenting this as a case of just one Amish guy who's so nice and kind that
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he gives an undercover agent some cheese.
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The agent then gives it to someone in another state and boom, out of nowhere international
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sales of unlicensed cheese.
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This Amish guy is going to prison.
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Gotta get him.
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That's bullshit.
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Take him down.
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In 2010, Rainbow Acres Farm was raided in the culmination of a drawn out sting operation.
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The issue was not cheese.
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It was the fact that Rainbow Acres sold tons of raw milk, which has been illegal to sell
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across state lines since 1984.
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In a state, rules about raw milk are left up to the state's discretion, but federal
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law prohibits interstate sales and for a good reason.
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Raw milk is not pasteurized, and as such, there's no good protection against things
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like E. coli, salmonella, and the pathogens responsible for causing tuberculosis and typhoid.
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In the decade between 1998 and 2008, over a thousand illnesses, 104 hospitalizations,
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and two deaths were proven to be caused by drinking raw milk.
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Raw milk proponents claim that pasteurization kills off the good bacteria along with the
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bad.
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So they're against it.
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Those people are dumb.
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Yep.
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Rainbow Acres was selling a lot of raw milk outside of Pennsylvania.
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A Lancaster Online article about the operation cites one example of Liz Reitzig, a woman
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from Maryland who paid over $6 a gallon for raw milk from Rainbow Acres, and she was far
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from the only one.
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This is a really large operation.
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One of the ways that these farms try to get around the law is by doing what's known as
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a cow share program, where instead of buying actual raw milk, farms allow people to pay
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a certain amount for a stake in a claim on part of an actual living cow, which then gives
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them rights to that animal's eventual milk production.
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So they literally are 49ers.
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It's kind of like that old saying, you need to buy the cow when you can't get the milk
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legally.
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Oh, man.
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There was another farm in Pennsylvania called Amos Miller Farms that ran afoul of the raw
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milk laws also, but their case is even worse than Rainbow Acres since they were only on
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the government's radar because they were definitively traced down as being the source of a Listeria
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outbreak that killed at least one of their customers who lived in Florida outside of
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state lines.
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There was also Mark Nolt of the Nature Sunlight Farm in Pennsylvania who got arrested for
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flagrantly violating state regulations by publicly refusing to maintain a state raw
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milk permit, and apparently also refused to allow routine testing of his cows for infectious
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diseases like TB.
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He was also selling tons of products across state lines.
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In an article about his arrest, it was said that he received a fine of $5,100, which is
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nothing.
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He, like the other cases that we're talking about, we're running large operations.
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These aren't little individual farmers being targeted by the feds.
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It's mid-sized to large businesses who are being punished for breaking the law.
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The Michigan case Alex is referring to is Family Farms Cooperative, which was a little
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bit of a smaller operation, but also sold raw milk outside of Michigan.
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In March 2010, 12 of their customers reported getting sick after drinking the same Friday
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shipment from Family Farms milk.
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Stool samples revealed the presence of campylobacter, which indicates food poisoning.
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None of the cases I can find of Amish busts in Pennsylvania match up with stories like
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the one Alex is telling.
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In fact, all of them are cases where the people who got arrested were in fact breaking the
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law because it was more profitable for them.
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Maybe not the analogy Alex wanted to make about Roger, but it seems like it's kind of
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fitting.
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It is.
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So it's accidentally him making a good point there.
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Yeah.
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He is like these Amish farmers.
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Yeah.
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They broke the law and then got in trouble for you.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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All right.
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If those diseases weren't contagious, I would be a little bit fine with people getting sick
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with drinking raw milk.
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Like if vaccination, if those diseases weren't contagious, I'd be like, hey, you're stupid.
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In both of those cases, I kind of agree with you, except for the part of it being like
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that one case, that Maryland woman who was interviewed in that article, she has a bunch
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of kids.
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Right.
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No, no, no.
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You're still feeding these kids that they don't have the right to choose what milk they're
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drinking.
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Yeah.
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So I think I agree with you in terms of adults.
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Like you can make your own decision.
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If you have all the information in front of you, you still want to drink raw milk, go
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have a fun time.
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You're running a risk, but whatever.
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You can do your thing.
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Once you start having it be like this is what is being given to children in the same way
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with the vaccines.
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It's like, yeah, if you're an adult, choose if you want to get vaccinated or not, except
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for the contagious part of it.
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But in terms of like the kids don't have a choice and they might be the ones who get
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polio or get measles, mumps or rubella.
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So yeah, I agree in principle, but applied to children, it's out.
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Actually applied, it's out period.
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But it does make a certain logical sense of if you're dumb enough to do this, then you
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accept the, you know, it's like, if the principle of you're only hurting yourself were true,
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then it would be fine.
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Right, right, right.
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It's like, it's like guys who climb a mountain and then die and you're like, you knew it
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was a possibility.
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It's kind of on you, man.
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I wish you hadn't.
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High risk, high reward.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You know, going in, scaling K2 might kill you.
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Right.
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Did it anyway because how awesome would it be to get on the top of that mountain?
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That'd be so cool.
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I totally understand the impulse.
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Not glad you're dead, but whatever.
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I think that's different because I don't think drinking raw milk is an achievement, but whatever.
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I mean, at the end of the day, what is climbing a mountain?
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Just drinking raw milk.
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It's just getting high.
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Right.
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So, at this point, Alex is furious because Roger Stone went out there and got booed,
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which is understandable.
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I understand it.
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I get it.
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I get it, buddy.
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Where was he?
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What?
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What city was he in?
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I don't know.
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It's Fort Lauderdale.
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Fort Lauderdale.
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Yeah, one of those Florida cities.
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I don't know what city Roger lives in.
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He's in Florida.
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It's where he lives.
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I'm just saying that if that was even, if I got any kind of alert by that, I would start
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running toward that.
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If I got Jerome Corsi's salary, I would have jumped on a plane.
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Oh, for sure.
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I would have been on a plane to just boo him myself.
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Just sitting next to somebody tight in a Spirit Airlines flight, just like, hey, what are
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you doing on here?
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I'm going to go boo an asshole.
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For me, it legitimately would be like going to Woodstock.
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We'd set a tent down.
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Well, I mean, it came out of nowhere, so there's no way to prepare, but it is the sort of thing
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where like 15 years from now, based on how my life is going the last few years, it is
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one of those things like, I would love to be able to tell people I was there.
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I was one of those people booing Roger Stone.
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I wear it like a badge of honor.
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Grandpa, what's your favorite memory?
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Let me show you this clip.
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I got it on my phone.
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One time there was a slippery asshole.
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He got arrested and I booed him.
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It's 70 years later.
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We don't even have phones.
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We're all on holograms and shit like that, but I've saved this one phone.
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I brought my friend along and he said, cut his dick off, and everyone cheered.
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So Alex is furious about it, but he's furious for another reason just than the fact that
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it went that way, which should be enough probably.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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But he's mad because he feels that Roger didn't listen to his advice because Alex told him,
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if you go out there, they're going to boo you, which is pretty-
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Alex did tell him that?
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He said he told it to him off air, so there's no on-show proof of it necessarily, but Alex
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is mad that he didn't realize this is going to be what happens, but then secondarily he's
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mad for another reason, and that again is that no one is recognizing that before he
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went out there and got booed, he was on Info Wars and no one is reporting that he did a
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world exclusive.
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No one is listening to me!
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He's so mad.
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This is a little bit of a longer clip, but again, tracking how he's getting madder and
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madder throughout this next three minutes I think is very important.
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I said, you go out there, they're going to shut your whole speech down.
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You should make it about the attack on free speech when they do it.
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Call Dave Rubin.
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Boo!
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You know, when total victory is just handed to you, why the hell take it?
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But I love Roger to death.
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Then I've asked our wonderful crew, on target, focused, awake people, which they're doing
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to take all three of those segments with Roger on with us and say Roger Stone's exclusive
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global statement on his indictment that they don't want you to hear or see because you
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heard him come out and I said when he first came on, let's get the first five minutes.
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Cut his dick off!
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We'll just re-air all of what Roger said next hour and Roger's going to be popping back
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on with us.
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But imagine my frustration knowing the next move they're going to make, generaling, proving
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we can get people elected and defeat the globalists.
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What do I know though?
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I'm an idiot.
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I'm a moron.
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So we're going to come back in the next hour and play the three segments.
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That means the three segments.
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He doesn't do that.
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I'm going to cut in here really quick.
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I don't think it's intuitive or very brilliant of Alex to predict that in an uncontrolled
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environment outside a courthouse there's a decent chance that Roger's not going to be
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able to spin things as well as he does on the phone with him.
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That's not a great, bold prediction.
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He's not Nostradamus.
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This is where you go, Bernie Mac.
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Just walk out there.
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I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.
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There's the defense right there.
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I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.
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Roger Stone 100% could have gotten on mic and been like, y'all don't even understand.
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I pulled my shit out this whole room gets dark.
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Kick it.
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He could have had a DJ.
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He's making over $15,000 a month from Alex.
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That would be great.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or he could have gone with Bill Burr.
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He's going to be like, I'm going to be here for 10 minutes.
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There's so many great DJs in Florida.
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Could have gotten Khaled out there.
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DJ Khaled makes a guest appearance at Roger Stone's West Alfred's.
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That'd be incredible.
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Holy shit.
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Buckley should have been on a flight at 6 a.m. this morning.
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Even better.
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Yeah.
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But then when he tells him to kick it, it's like weird sort of acid techno.
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That wouldn't be bad.
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Yeah.
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That'd be very fun.
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One, two and three of the last hour when Roger Stone was on, because why?
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Because when he went out to a thousand plus so-called journalists and reporters and TV
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cameras, they booed and screamed him down and videos coming out.
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They couldn't help themselves.
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They're so out of control.
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They're so crazy.
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That's the only place that linked to the one place you could actually hear Roger Stone
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saying the same thing.
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Greg report.com outside of info wars.com.
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That's the only place they all with great discipline.
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We're all angry.
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We're getting upset.
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We had people in the crowd going, Oh my God, he's on with Alex Jones.
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Well, yeah, he works here.
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They're trying to win the crowd was saying that after me, they asked about me in the
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grand jury for a year and a half.
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They're trying to say about pay employees that I'm, I'm, I'm involved in push money
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for your stupid Russia crap when it's Mueller and Hillary and you globalists that have the
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Russians up your rear ends.
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So I'm a little wound up today, but we will get you not a piece of Roger.
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The entire interview aired live in the next hour.
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We're going to air it one, two, three Swedish pie.
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So you can hear what Roger Stone actually had to say.
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And one of the biggest media frenzies, if not the biggest the world's ever seen where
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they piranha like have no Russia collusion.
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They're totally trying to set journalists up, ending all basic freedom in this country,
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all of it.
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And they drowned him out where he can't even talk when he's got a giant press conference
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because they had democratic operatives all looking at their phones saying, shut him up.
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Don't let him talk when he comes out.
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Don't let him have this giant crowd because they've all got to cover it.
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What they wanted was him being booed and shut down.
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And so he was in a big, disgusting coup for the deep state bastards that was a coup bastards.
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So here we are, ladies and gentlemen, covering the soul, witnessing it, watching it happen
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in slow motion, watching the public drool and not know, kind of addle around and not
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know what's going on.
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But you know what?
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I'm awake and I'm here and I'm covering it.
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And I'm going to just say this right now.
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You want the globalists to win, they've already successfully basically stopped the expansion
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plans here in full force.
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That's a huge victory for them.
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I'm not going to lie.
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That's their victory.
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The lawsuits, taking our sponsors, taking our platforms, harassing the living hell out
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of us ahead of silencing us, which they failed to do ahead of the coup de grace, taking Trump
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out and all those little establishment minions around him that they're lying to him.
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They're going to flush them on the toilet as well.
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So we're here as an emergency, warning the public, exposing globalism, doing it.
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And I need your financial support.
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That is a fucking ad pivot right there.
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So much of this fucking episode is just Alex and Roger begging for money.
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I slipped on the ice.
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So much of it.
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I slipped on the ice.
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That was black ice there, man.
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Whoa.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you could see a deterioration there in terms of like, he's just so pissed off
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that no one's giving him, except for Drudge, no one is giving him his like, you got, you
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got this, Alex, you've got a world exclusive.
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He's also probably pretty pissed off because as soon as he saw Roger speaking, he had to
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have recognized those are the same things he was saying when he was talking to Alex.
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Alex is being treated like another outlet, not his best friend.
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And I think Alex probably has to realize that means something on some level.
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Now Roger's still giving him lip service enough because he does show back up.
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He does call Alex back, but I think that's probably just like, let's not ruin this.
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Got nothing else to do.
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Right.
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Let's go home to my wife.
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Who's been terrorized by the FBI along with my dog.
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I don't know.
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Um, so in this next clip, this is so key.
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I think Alex explains what he thinks that the media is doing to him.
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And then he repeats it over and over and over again.
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And he is wrong.
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These people can't beat us politically.
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So they want to silence us, then frame us, then put us in jail, silence us, frame us,
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put us in jail, silence us, frame us, put us in jail, silence us, frame us, put us in
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jail, silence us, frame us, put us in jail, silence us, frame us, put us in jail, silence
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us.
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And then he tried to go out and give a press conference and the press itself, they were
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involved because they're not the press.
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They're a bunch of Jim Acosta's that shout him down his big opportunity in front of every
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damn news entity going out globally because that was hundreds of millions of dollars of
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publicity.
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It was him getting to say he could do something.
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So the silence us, frame us, put us in jail, silence us, frame us, put us in jail.
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Now let's look at what Alex did with Hillary Clinton.
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He sent Joe Biggs out to her rallies as early as October 2015 in attempt to silence her
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yelling Hillary for prison, making a big spectacle in the audience in order to derail her speeches
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in the same way that he is now complaining about people doing to Roger Stone.
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That silence us in the way that Alex is describing it.
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I'm starting to think that you're going to come up with some parallels.
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Frame us.
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Alex always talks about the uranium one deal, which is bullshit.
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He talks about Mueller on the tarmac with uranium, which is bullshit.
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This is all stuff we've gone over.
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He's trying to frame them for crimes, whether or not they've also committed other crimes.
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I'm not interested in talking about it, I'm positive they have.
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That's irrelevant.
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They're good.
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Yeah, that's irrelevant.
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The things that Alex is specifically talking about are lies.
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He's trying to frame them.
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He's a huge supporter of and has made millions of dollars selling shirts and bumper stickers
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about sending Hillary to jail.
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He's tried to silence her, frame her, and put her in jail.
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This is literally what most of the Trump energy was about that Alex glommed onto throughout
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the entire 2016 election season.
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It's something that Roger Stone was instrumental in helping create and helping perpetuate.
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So Alex repeating this over and over again as if it's what's being done to him is bullshit.
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It is his tactical strategy.
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Now what's happening to them is the consequence of other things they've done, because they
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can get away with that.
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They can get away with all of their actions that they've done in terms of paying people
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to disrupt speeches, yelling Bill Clinton's a rapist or whatever.
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That's fine.
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That's not illegal.
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That's fine.
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Lying about Hillary Clinton selling off the uranium.
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We can get to the bottom of it.
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We can know what the truth is, but that's within your free speech to lie about it.
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That's fine.
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No big deal.
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If she wants to press charges, maybe, but that would be probably too difficult for her
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and she knows that who gives a shit.
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Fine.
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That'd be boring.
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Making money off of calling for her imprisonment, it's all under the free speech.
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Other things you have done like lying about Sandy Hook families, for example, or Hamdi
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Ulukaya and he settled that one, but that's another one.
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There are things you can't do and Alex has done those things.
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The chickens are coming home to roost.
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If he just had never done those things, he could do everything he's doing and no one
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would care.
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If Roger Stone hadn't lied to the House Intelligence Committee, he'd be fine.
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There wouldn't be a perjury charge or let's be totally honest, if he hadn't threatened
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Randy Kretico, he would be fine.
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That's the one where...
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But my point that I'm making is that if he hadn't done things that are in that indictment,
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he'd be fine.
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It's not anything that they're doing on a political level that has caused the downturn.
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It's specifically illegal things they've done.
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No, Alex went home that night and he asked Rex, he was like, hey, hold on a second.
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Did you know that what goes around comes back?
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Like there's a...
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And Rex says, I've heard Justin Timberlake.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Did you know there's a really, really famous and common saying about this?
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It's called what goes around comes around and Alex was like, who the fuck told you that?
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Justin Timberlake.
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Ah, he's the globalist.
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Sorry to force my Justin Timberlake joke in there twice.
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Get it in.
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Get it in.
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I ain't afraid of you.
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You think Justin Timberlake's ever had pecan pie?
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Kick it.
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So Alex gets Roger back on the phone and Roger starts...
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Now that he's done his public humiliation, I guess, he is now a little bit freer to talk
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to Alex.
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Right.
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He's telling him about his experience, what happened after the FBI came and he's a sleazy
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fuck.
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Listen to this.
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He's talking about being put in a holding cell and he even in the middle of that story
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has to get in a very not true plug for Trump's policies.
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I was in shackled, hand and foot, heavy metal shackles and was taken to a holding cell with
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a group of other gentlemen, all of whom were African American and all of whom were there
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for some drug related charges.
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Every one of them, by the way, supported the president's new policy regarding sentencing
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guidelines.
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Cool.
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I'm sure, I'm sure, like, I don't believe that happened because I don't believe Roger
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had that conversation.
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But of course, hey, let me poll the room, guys.
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What do you think about Trump's new ban to ban?
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But also, I mean, it's such bullshit because these are rules that have been in the process
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since Obama was in office.
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Trump is just taking credit for them.
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Roger is given credit for them and then pretending that he had a conversation with all of these
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wonderful black people in this holding cell that, boy, there's just so much there.
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It's like, why?
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All of these people in this holding cell were black and I will draw zero conclusions from
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this.
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I think what he was trying to say might be the benevolent side of racism.
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I think he was trying to do that.
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I think that the thrust behind it wasn't to, like, say, hey, I was in a prison cell and
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everyone there was black.
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It was to say that, like, there are a lot of black people who were jammed up on unnecessary
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drug charges.
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Right, right, right.
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I still think that that's behind it.
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But what's behind that is trying to support the idea that Trump is making things right.
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It's the white savior narrative that he's trying to push there.
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Yeah, maybe.
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Maybe it's one of those things that it appears racist, then you look at it a little bit more
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and it appears like it's not, and then you look a little bit further and it's like, oh,
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no, it is.
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Super racist.
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Yeah, maybe it is.
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That's entirely racist.
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It's a racism that comes in waves.
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Yeah.
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Much like the illness that'll happen if you drink raw milk.
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The fever comes in waves.
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So Roger, one of his big complaints, and I understand this because he runs a style blog
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and is a dapper gentleman who wears lots of funny hats.
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He runs a style blog?
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Yeah, he has a stone style blog.
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I did not know that.
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Yeah, but it's one of his big things.
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He also puts out lists of like best and worst politically dressed people.
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So it's nonsense.
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Alex, they're going to put me away for 20 years.
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And the worst part of that is I will have zero hats, zero hats.
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I bet his lawyers could get some hats.
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You think they could get some?
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Yeah, I bet they could.
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You have to smuggle them in in a cake.
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But how do you pair them with a, like a jumpsuit, a prison jumpsuit?
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That's a challenge that only Roger Stone could rise above.
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I'm going to go with a bowler.
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I'm going to go with a nice bowler hat.
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Yeah, perhaps.
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Being subdued in height.
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So look, the point is that's not his complaint, although it is style based.
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He's mad that when he got jammed, when the FBI showed up in the morning, he's like, hey
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man, if they just told me ahead of time I could have showed up in a suit, I could have
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showed up.
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I would have looked good.
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I didn't have a chance to shower, any of that stuff.
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He's mad about that.
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He makes this complaint a number of times.
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And while he's making it this time, Alex's response is pretty funny and very bootlickery.
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All they had to do was ask my attorney, and I would have volunteered, I would have surrendered
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voluntarily.
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I would have come properly dressed.
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Instead, you know, I didn't shave.
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I didn't even get a chance to put a brush through my hair or brush my teeth.
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Well, Roger, I gotta say, you looked great in the t-shirt.
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Okay.
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Calm down.
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I, I actually think he's telling the truth.
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Well, yeah, no, I do too.
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I think he really would have, if they had just been like, hey, it depends on the advance
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notice.
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Right.
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Right.
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I don't, I don't know.
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He didn't have a passport.
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Not now.
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Right.
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But there's, there's a good reason to still think he could be a flight risk.
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You know, like I understand why any law enforcement agency would be like, let's not take chances,
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but at the same time, knowing Roger, his, his extensive history, the times he's been
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in hot water in the past, he hasn't run away.
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So like, it does appear to me that he really thinks he can get away with all of this.
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Yeah.
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I think he still thinks he has a lot of moves left to play, but it doesn't appear that he
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does.
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But yeah, I think that he probably is sincere in saying that if they just told me, I would
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have shown up.
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I would have shown up wearing a monocle.
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Yeah.
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It's one of those things that it's impossible to litigate because you're like, we're trying
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to talk about what hypothetically could have happened, but yeah, I believe the same way
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with Corsi shit, I believe both sides of this, that he would have run and then he would have
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showed up.
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I wouldn't believe either of them.
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And if he had said like, I had a biplane in my backyard, I would be like, yeah, that probably
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sounds right.
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You were, you were getting out of here or like, I made some El Chapo tunnels, man, it's
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no big deal.
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Did you see that one of the first tweets about him getting arrested was from Chad Ochocinco?
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No, I did not.
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It turns out that Ochocinco lives next door to him.
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And so, uh, so, uh, Ochocinco was, that is fucking fantastic.
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He tweeted that he's out for his morning jog and he sees his neighbor, Roger Stone, getting
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arrested.
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I've only seen shit like that in movies, just like such an awesome, like weird cameo.
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That's so good.
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Yeah.
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Only in a Roger Stone getting indicted and arrested story could it be like, Ochocinco's
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involved in a weird way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Oh, so fun to imagine that like for years they've lived next door to, they have to have
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talked.
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They have to be like on good terms.
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Yeah.
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Like a 30 wide receiver of all time.
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Why not?
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Yeah.
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Imagine Chad Johnson and fucking Roger Stone just being like, Hey, how's it going to get
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the morning paper when they're mowing their lawn and everything.
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Hey, really, we should have you guys over for dinner sometime.
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There's a true comedy to that and imagining that they did have each other over for dinner.
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I'm sure they did.
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Maybe.
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I don't think they did.
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No, probably not.
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No.
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Good walls make good neighbors to quote Roger Stone.
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It's probably not a quote, but although it's not, I'm using the Alex Jones school of
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quoting where you don't actually have to quote.
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William Shakespeare.
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I don't even remember how we mispronounced it.
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Shakespeare.
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Yeah, that wasn't it.
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No.
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So in this next clip, Alex and Roger start talking about Roger's financial sob story.
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It's real bad for him right now.
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Real bad financially.
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I don't believe most of this.
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And then Alex says something inexcusable.
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I've lost my life in health insurance in December.
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I had to sell my car.
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I had to liquidate my car.
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I had to liquidate a small fund I had put aside for my book sales for the college education
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of my children.
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You have children?
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No stocks.
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No bonds.
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No real estate.
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You know, thank God for info wars because you guys have kept me alive.
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I have a couple other very small gigs, but not much Facebook and their war of censorship
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against info wars and against me has really hurt my book sales.
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So the idea is to put you under such intense financial pressure, you're forced to plead
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guilty is something you didn't do.
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And then in turn to turn on the president Michael Cohen style.
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And let's be clear.
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Let's be clear.
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Let's be clear there.
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You make that statement, but they're making their move now.
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They're going to move on the president.
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Dershowitz is smart.
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He's admitted it.
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So there's two things there.
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First is what's most offensive is Dershowitz is smart.
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How dare you?
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How dare you?
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Well, look, it's funny to me that Alex is saying positive things about Alan Dershowitz
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for a number of reasons.
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The first is that after Roger called to threaten Elliot Spitzer's dad, like we talked about,
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Dershowitz blasted Stone's involvement as evidence that the investigation was tainted
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from the start.
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The investigation of Elliot Spitzer for corruption stuff and everything.
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He said, quote, this whole story does not pass the smell test.
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What others have done to Elliot Spitzer, Roger, is more serious than any crime Spitzer committed.
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So Dershowitz and Roger have a little bit of a history.
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Also fun fact, Donald Trump also shit all over Roger after he got caught harassing an
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83 year old man with Parkinson's saying, quote, they caught Roger red handed lying.
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What he did was ridiculous and stupid.
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He went on to call Roger a stone cold loser.
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He's a stone cold loser and I'm going to hire him any moment now.
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Right.
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The only reason Alex shouldn't be into Dershowitz is that he's Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer who
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helped him cut a deal on those, you know, running an underage sex trafficking operation
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charges.
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If that isn't enough to get Alex to not trust the guy, multiple girls who were Epstein's
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victims have gone on record to say that Epstein directed them to have sex with Alan Dershowitz.
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The way Alex conveniently doesn't care about things like this should really drive home
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to anyone paying attention that he doesn't care about the exploitation of these children.
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He only cares about using it as a blunt instrument to attack his political enemies with everything
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as a means to an end with him.
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And it's gross.
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Wait.
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So I didn't know that Dershowitz was a participant in the Epstein.
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I'm not sure if that's been proven in court, but there are multiple of Epstein's victims
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who have said that they were directed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz.
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That should be his Chiron.
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Whenever you, whenever he appears on TV, it should be like accused fucking pedophile.
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I think you might get into some credibly accused pedophile every, it should roll on the bottom
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of it.
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I don't, I don't, I don't know what the television news, their, their policies are on that, but
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it's a bad idea.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty fucked up.
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And I mean, Dershowitz is a bile of shit otherwise too, but like Alex should like based on everything
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that he says about all this stuff should, uh, yeah, the way he makes hay out of anyone
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being kind of associated with Jeffrey Epstein, except for Trump, who of course is associated
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with him.
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Ignore that stuff.
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That should be, that should be his Chiron.
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Ignore that.
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Okay.
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Now, Bill Clinton.
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Racist and rapist.
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Bill Clinton, he loves Jeffrey Epstein.
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Yeah, great.
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So Alex, like whenever his political enemies are sort of related to Jeffrey Epstein in
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some way, it's the biggest deal in the world.
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It's proof of X, Y, and Z, everything.
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Anyone who supports Trump or is literally Trump, uh, you just ignore that stuff.
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Just ignore it.
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Don't worry about it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It means that he doesn't care.
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Oh, absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
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The second piece about this is Roger's telling his sob story about how this fucking, uh,
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uh, the, the revelation of crimes he's committed is hurting his book sales and stuff like that.
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There's an episode of his goddamn radio show that I was going to pull a clip of, but who
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gives a shit, uh, where he's talking about, uh, the WikiLeaks stuff had just come out
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and he's talking about, uh, the idea that Seth Rich was the person who gave Assange
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the documents.
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Uh-huh.
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And he's saying that, uh, like I have it from a reputable back channel source that Seth
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Rich was the person who gave Assange the documents.
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And I would say, you know, who else was saying that around that time?
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Fucking Jerome Corsi.
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You know who else is a guest on that episode?
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Jerome Corsi.
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Really?
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Interesting.
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That's odd.
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Now the other piece of it though is that as he's talking about this, this stuff, he goes
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into a little bit of a diatribe about how like, Oh, Podesta is saying that I knew about
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it ahead of time because I tweeted about how he, his, his time in the barrel was coming
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and stuff like that.
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And he's like, Oh, well, you know, what's really great about this is that I've been
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able to go on TV a bunch and that's been great for my book sales.
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God damn it.
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So if you're going to exploit this sort of situation and also exploit the murder of a,
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of somebody to sort of further your political conspiratorial bullshit, and you're going
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to be like, help my book sales, I'm not going to feel any sympathy for you when you complain
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about, I don't have any money now because of crimes.
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Now that I know that he has, uh, how many, he has kids?
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Yeah.
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Multiple.
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I don't know how many kids he has.
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I think he has some grandkids too.
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God damn it.
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Just the idea of being related to Roger Stone must be a fucking bummer, man, that fucking
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sucks.
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He's just called them from the press conference and he was like, Holy shit, did you know that
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what goes around comes back at you?
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That's Justin Timberlake.
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You're quoting.
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Yeah.
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He's a, he's one of those dudes that I think like, if you ever hear stories about the,
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like the children of like old school pro wrestlers who had to keep kayfabe, you know, like them
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being like their dad would fake an injury and then to be at home faking an injury and
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stuff like that.
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The kids know.
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Yeah.
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That sort of thing.
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Like Roger Stone is with his kids, but instead of it being like sports entertainment, it's
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like malicious international propaganda and a dirty tricks and hatchet work kids, kids.
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Uh, I know you're ages four and nine, but the first thing I need to tell you, and I
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wish I could have told you when you came out of the womb, never Google me, never, never.
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He said that before Google existed.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, this next clip, Alex reinforces that he is really afraid that his dad is going
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to get indicted.
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As you know, Roger, we're next in the hopper.
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We told everybody they were going to try to frame my dad for hush money because, uh, Corsi
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signed a contract where he'd get paid out once it was for cause.
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So to be nice, we paid out the last six months of his contract.
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It was for cause though, because Alex is saying that his writing sucked and he wasn't living
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up to his obligation.
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So his contract could not have been paid out.
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But again, I, the quote from Alex Jones, his dad that was in that article was about like,
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we decided to pay him out based on considerations and the fact that he's been a guest for so
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many years.
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Right.
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And I believe that too.
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I don't know.
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And I'm a dentist.
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That just so happens at the end of January.
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That's when it was signed two years ago.
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So it's written every year and I've got my phone ringing off the hook like, are you going
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to jail next for your hush money?
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So now paying your reporters is hush money.
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I mean, these people are going for broke, but put them on the defense.
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They're in Uranium One, hundreds of millions from the Russians, Mueller at Tarmacs, Uranium.
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Silence them, frame them, put them in jail.
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Paying your reporters fine.
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Paying your reporters $160,000 a year.
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That's a different fucking story.
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Especially when that reporter is worthless.
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Like in the entire time that we've been covering Alex Jones, Jerome Corsi hasn't done shit
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except pretend he's opening that Washington bureau.
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He hasn't done anything.
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There was the time that he tried to come up with the meme, which was just a dumb Seth
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Rich narrative.
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We've heard him just shit the bed over and over again and then be kicked off being allowed
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to be on the show because he went too into the QAnon stuff.
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He's served no purpose.
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And he's actually a bad writer though.
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I will believe that part.
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I haven't read any of his books, but I bet his prose isn't great.
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So I think that there's a lot of people out there who are probably, even before we put
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this episode out and as they're listening to it, they want more answers about the Corsi
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business because I think this is a really big piece of the Stone indictment.
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But unfortunately I regret to say we can't offer much on that, but I do think we will
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be able to soon.
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We will eventually be recording a documentary called the Corsi business.
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Yeah.
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I was going to get there first, you son of a bitch.
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As soon as that information is available and we can digest some of it, I assure you, we
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will do a Corsi episode in much the same way as we're doing a Roger episode now.
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Although I don't think Alex will even talk about it if Corsi turns south, if he goes
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state's evidence, state's property, like Beanie Siegel, another rap reference, how you doing?
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There you go.
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There you go.
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Killing it.
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So as soon as I woke up on- Did you consider your Justin Timberlake reference
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a rap reference?
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No, I was talking about how the last like three episodes have been like three, six months
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together.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You had them all.
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Master P, now Beanie Siegel.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, man.
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Jadakiss is coming up.
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Oh no.
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The next episode, Swizz Beatz, Drag-On.
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That means dragon, but there's a hyphen in the middle.
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No, no, no.
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Rough Riders.
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I'm surprised there wasn't a dollar sign instead of a dollar.
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No.
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Jordan, when I woke up on Friday, one of the things that I had in my mind first was I woke
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up pretty early.
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I was surprised that I woke up pretty early on Friday.
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I cracked my back, sat down, sat in this chair here and got to work and immediately saw tons
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of texts, Twitter messages and like everybody, Roger Stone got indicted.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I thought I woke up early, not early enough.
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I was going to say, I imagine that you woke up at 5.30 because you sensed it in the ether
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sphere.
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I was up kind of late and Roger is on like an hour ahead.
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Eastern time, that's true.
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So it's possible that I couldn't sleep because I knew it was going on.
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Yeah.
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But it also is possible that I was just playing Hyrule Warriors, who knows?
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Also possible.
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Well, Stone did text you last night saying, I think it's coming.
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Yeah, he texted me.
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He was like, hey, Linkle's a pretty cool character.
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I agree, Roger.
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So I didn't, like when I woke up, I was kind of overwhelmed by the amount of people messaging
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me about this, which I think is cool and I appreciate it, don't get me wrong.
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But then my immediate first thought was like, if I'm Alex right now, I started, it took
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me an hour or so to make like an egg sandwich and process and like sort of just get my bearings
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about me.
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I started to think like it's 10, Alex knows that in an hour he's got to get on air.
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He knows that right now.
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Like as I'm sitting here eating the sandwich, Alex knows he has to get on air.
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And secondarily, Alex knows everybody is tuning in.
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Alex knows that he's not kicked, he's kicked off YouTube and stuff like that.
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He can still broadcast, he can still live stream all this shit.
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He knows that there are, all eyes are on him.
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There is no way that people aren't going to be like, how's Alex going to fucking do that?
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And lo and behold, it was, it was a ratings bonanza for him.
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We were getting 50,000 unique IP addresses a second.
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We've got some of the biggest server companies in the world.
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Our regular bandwidth, you know, bills are $500,000 a month today's going to be $500,000.
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I mean, this is insane.
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We have tens of millions tuned in just on the streams, not on radio stations right now.
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Normally it's not even a million tuned in at one time.
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So this is all going on.
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This is insane.
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And imagine the imagery.
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He comes out and they won't let him talk.
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Well, you just heard him speak and none of them are picking up what he said.
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So Alex is still mad that no one's giving him credit for the world exclusive.
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I don't believe, like, I think we made this point when we were on the great behind the
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bastards podcast with Robert Evans, the idea that Alex is real bad with numbers.
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I don't believe those specific numbers, but I believe the trends behind them.
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The idea that he had massively elevated traffic wanting to see what is Alex going to do?
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Is he going to kill himself on that?
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I know that probably some people had that impulse.
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I thought it was going to be like, he's going to pull out a triple Lindy.
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It's going to be the most amazing obfuscating excuse making thing I've ever seen in my life.
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I was watching live and I know that from our group, go home and tell your mother you're
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brilliant, there was at least a number of our policy wonk folk who don't generally watch
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who were like, I got to tune in today.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If you take that as a small sample, there probably was thousands and thousands more
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people who were like, oh boy, here we go.
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For sure.
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So Alex knew that and yeah, I think his bandwidth costs are probably high, not nearly as high
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as he's saying, but all that stuff does make sense and it brings into focus why he's more
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restrained at the beginning of the show because he realizes there are a lot of people listening,
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watching, they have an expectation, I'm going to freak out, keep it together and then also
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explains why him and Roger keep asking people for money because there's so many more people,
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there's a better chance that some of them are going to give you money.
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So all of this makes total sense.
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He knows that this is sweeps week.
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As bad as it is, as bad as it is, his best friend is definitely going to prison.
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He's still a businessman.
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This is the best thing that's ever happened to me financially.
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It's possible.
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Yeah.
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It's possible.
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I don't do this without Roger.
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I don't understand bandwidth costs.
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I don't really either because I use a, you know, like I just use a flat rate hosting
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service, but from what I understand, like if you host something somewhere, like if you
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have a server and you host something somewhere and there's tons and tons of people downloading
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it, the price just goes up as the traffic goes up in order for the server to handle
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that amount of traffic.
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Holy shit.
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I think it's scalable.
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We can't afford to be popular, can we?
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No, we can because we use the flat rate.
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Oh, is that how that works?
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I don't know how any of it works.
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The service that I use, you just pay a certain amount per month and no matter how many people
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download it or anything like that, you pay for the storage space, so however large the
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files are that I post there, that's the factor that they charge.
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And I think that their strategy is that they host thousands of shows that no one downloads
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and then that helps offset the ones that are the traffic.
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It's called Medicare for All.
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Right.
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Right.
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They've liberated syndication, has figured out socialized medicine for podcasting.
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I think that that's their strategy.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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I'll be honest, I haven't really looked into it too much, but it doesn't seem to matter
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at all.
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It only comes into play if you're hosting your own shit and your own servers and you
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have to pay for that.
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Gotcha.
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And...
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Fine.
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Do it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the reason that he does it is because then there's no way for anybody to take that
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down.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He has entire control of it.
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Right.
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And what comes along with that is having to pay that.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's the downside of the freedom that you so desire.
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Which you should be happy about since it's libertarianism.
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Sure.
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So in this next clip, Alex has a new guest.
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Roger is gone.
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He's got to go take a shower, got to shave, put a comb in his hair, all that nonsense,
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go comfort his dog.
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Nice little top hat.
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Absolutely.
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I assume his dogs both wear top hats.
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There's no doubt about it.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has a new guest and it's so pathetic.
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His next guest is Roger Stone's lawyer.
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Tyler Nixon is a great guy.
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I was hoping for Ted Nugent.
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One of the chief lawyers.
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For Stone, I asked him this morning when I first got a first statement from his lawyer
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there at the jail, his first thing was, how's my wife?
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Okay, she's okay.
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Here's my directives and information for my lawyers and get Tyler Nixon on.
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And Alex Jones, let him know this information.
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So we put a statement out that's on Infowars.com.
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That was the first statement.
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I had ABC, CBS, NBC, Washington Post calling.
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Is that really Roger?
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I mean, how do we even know you?
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Oh, he only works here.
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That's how they operate.
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Like everything we do is fake when they're the fake ones and I'm battling for Infowars
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very live.
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So Tyler Nixon joins us, one of Roger's, he's actually a spokesperson he wanted on.
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Alex is trying to like lawyer, but he is his lawyer.
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Yeah.
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Um, so he's a spokesperson.
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He's not his lawyer.
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He's a spokesperson.
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It's interesting that Roger Stone's lawyer is named Nixon.
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I was really curious about this.
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I was really, really confused.
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I wanted to know if he was related to Richard Nixon, seeing as Roger was so connected to
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Richard Nixon, but it doesn't look like he is at least not closely.
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Richard Nixon had two daughters and neither of them has a kid named Tyler and both took
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their husband's names when they got married, Cox and Eisenhower respectively.
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That's right.
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Nixon's daughter married Eisenhower's grandson.
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So it's cool.
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Everybody's great in America.
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There's no sort of a powered elite that intermarried pitchforks, pitchforks, why, why aren't pitchforks
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appearing whenever we talk or how do we not know that?
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Like, how is that?
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That's a weird thing.
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I'm sure a lot of people do know that, but it's weird that that's not more public knowledge
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that Nixon's daughter married Eisenhower's granddaughter.
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That's weird.
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That's weird.
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So it just appears that if Tyler Nixon is a part of that Nixon family, he's a second
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cousin or some shit.
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I have no idea.
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Yeah.
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Tyler Nixon is one of Roger's lawyers.
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However, he's a bad person for Alex to have on the show and present as an unbiased source
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of information.
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You see, back in November 2018, Tyler Nixon was questioned by Robert Mueller about Roger's
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connections with WikiLeaks.
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You remember all the news stories about Roger's associates being called in for questioning?
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Yes.
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Tyler was one of them.
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Well.
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In his testimony, he indicated that Randy Credico was Roger's intermediary with Assange
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and said he witnessed Credico admitting his son.
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The lawyer is gonna get fucking, oh my God.
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This is a problem because it means that if Credico was not the intermediary, which he
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wasn't, then Tyler is making up information that he told Mueller about Credico indicating
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that he was Roger's go-between.
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And that means Tyler Nixon is in trouble too.
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This isn't a lawyer trying to help his client.
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This is a man who realizes that he fell into the same perjury trap his client did and on
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some level has to realize that his fate may be entwined with Roger's.
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Since it's clear, they both lied to achieve the same end result, which is, it might not
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have been Tyler's primary motivation to do this, but the end result is covering up Jerome
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Corsi's involvement with Roger Stone early on vis-a-vis the WikiLeaks interactions.
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I'm sure he could probably, I don't know.
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You know, even if your client, even if you have attorney-client privilege and you're
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directed by your client to say something, you still lied to Congress.
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So you're kind of fucked on that front.
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There's no, no, he lied to the FBI too.
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And even beyond that, what he did was introduce new information because he said that he witnessed
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Credico saying that he was the go-between, which isn't like, it's one thing to say Roger
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told me this or whatever.
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It's another to introduce new pieces of information that are specific lies.
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So in that case, I mean, who knows?
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I don't think that he's telling the truth and I don't think anything Roger is saying
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is true based on my knowledge of Roger Stone.
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I feel like Roger must have, this sequence of events must have been Roger like accident
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or like Googling like Nixon lawyer.
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And this guy came up and he was like, ha ha, wouldn't that be on brand for me to have a
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Nixon lawyer?
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That's entirely possible.
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I didn't know he wasn't related to Nixon, but his name is Nixon.
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So Tyler Nixon doesn't much like that, that sort of backstory being how he got hired.
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He doesn't comport himself on this show as any kind of a professional.
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He's just throwing around the globalists are coming.
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He's just, he might as well be like Alex's norm, like regular guest.
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He's, he does not, he doesn't say anything.
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He doesn't even use words like pro bono or a jurisprudence.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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He doesn't say any legal words, lawyer words.
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No, not at all.
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And he does say this, he didn't graduate and he did not pass the bar.
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No.
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And then he also shows himself to be fucking stupid because he says this, the tactics deployed
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on Roger Stone, who would be just the first, I'm sure if these people have their way would
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make Lavrenti Beria and Stalin and Himmler and the rest of them embarrassed or, or, you
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know, proud, let's just say, uh, proud as far as, you know, they'd be envious.
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I mean, this is, this is, they would be envious.
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Yeah.
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They would absolutely love to have this type of power.
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So Alex Jones beat you to vocab words.
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That's not good.
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That's not good as a lawyer who doesn't know how to read was like, Hey, let me correct
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you on what it is you think you're saying.
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Let me help you out of that little pickle.
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You fucking God, this guy's stupid.
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Also I'd like to remind you that Stalin, uh, put hundreds of thousands of people in gulags.
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I don't think, uh, Roger Stone being embarrassed or like a charge that he almost clearly is
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guilty of.
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I think Stalin could have pulled that off.
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Envious of how they made Roger Stone sad and still let him go on the fucking radio.
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Whatever is going on right now is well within the abilities of Stalin, Himmler and anybody
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else they, they referenced.
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This is pathetic levels of exaggeration.
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It's radicalization of what they perceive to be what's happening to them in order to
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convince the audience that the situation is so much dire, so much more dire than it is
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because they need their money.
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They want their fucking money, man.
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It's just constantly give Roger Stone legal defense money.
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Why is money is going to Tyler Nixon.
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I didn't think about that whole thing where he's like, of course, donate to Roger's defense
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fund.
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You're the guy who's getting it.
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That's nuts.
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I didn't even think about that.
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You didn't think about that.
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No, it just dawned on me.
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I know.
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I was so, that's why he's lying and pulling this bullshit.
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I was wrapped up in the weeds.
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The details forgot that Roger Stone, legal defense fund.com probably is paying Tyler
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Nixon.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That's so fucking stupid.
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Oh my God.
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This, this masquerade of, of like, uh, the idea that they're saying anything is so wild.
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So nuts.
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I, uh, I don't know, uh, what exact, uh, term I would use for him, but I'm going to go with
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huckster.
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Uh, I think that one would be the, like, uh, Nixon.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And ambulance chaser.
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Exactly.
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I mean, you're, you're being idiots and hiring the worst fucking lawyers.
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Like Giuliani is the worst fucking lawyer.
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I think what it comes down to isn't being right wing or anything like that.
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It's that you've exhausted all other possibilities.
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Like, like a real lawyer would be like, Hey, I'm not going to take this case on account
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of you did that shit.
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Yeah.
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And it's going to be way too hard.
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Uh, I'm going to lose, uh, it's going to be a lot of work for nothing in my name is going
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to be drawn into this.
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My reputation will be completely fucking destroyed in terms of Alex.
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I think that there are just like, he, his like sort of resources are, are thin.
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Yeah.
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And, and in the same way that you talk about like the idea that like this is just ch-ching
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billable hours, you also have to recognize that like what you're doing, the possibility
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is you are going to be defending Alex Jones in court against Sandy Hook victims' families.
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And the optics of that are never good.
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And you, if you're talking as a human, you know that Alex is guilty of those things,
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whether or not it's provable in a court of law is another issue.
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But you know that spiritually he did do that shit.
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So you can, it's one of those things that you're only going to be able to get the sleaziest
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fucking people.
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Yeah.
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People like Mark Rondazza, like he's turning this into his like little, he's laying stake
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to immorality.
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But I also don't, I don't think that's necessarily wrong of him.
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I think it's opportunistic on some level, but those people still do need representation.
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Everybody has the right to a fair trial.
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Yeah.
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And if he wants to try and if Mark Rondazza is your lawyer, you are not going to have
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a fair trial.
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Well, it's an indication, I think that you have come to a point where you're willing
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to pay way more than you need to because no one else will take you on as a client.
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And you're trying a hail Mary free speech type pass.
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And I think that's what, I think that's what's going on.
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It's like a cash for goal error, it's like a short term loan, like a one of those like,
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oh, is the, why is the interest rate 200,000%?
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That doesn't seem fair.
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You know why.
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Yeah, you know why.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, at this point, everything turns.
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Yeah.
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This episode is no longer substantive after this point.
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We have reached the point where Alex, I don't know what happened to him, but he starts losing
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his mind.
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Does he start talking about God?
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I assume God.
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You bet.
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I was trying to say, I was like, he's only got nothing on Roger Stone because Stone bailed
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on him, ghosted him.
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Then Stone comes back, but Stone's sad.
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So Alex can't like pivot to other news.
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What is he going to pivot to?
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There is no news.
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Like, oh, oh, there's.
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The chai comms are out of control.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Come on.
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Fuck off, Alex.
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Soros has criticized Xi Jinping at Davos.
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Right, right.
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Oh, you want to talk about that, Alex?
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Isn't that weird?
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Doesn't that sort of puncture holes in your whole narrative?
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Sure, sure, sure.
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No, no.
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He doesn't want to talk about that.
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No news.
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No news.
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He has to look inside of himself and pray because he also thinks he's going to get fucked.
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It's pretty amazing that you, like I was going to do this whole thing about like, Alex is
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done with his work and now it gets weird, like try and give some sort of like real vague,
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real fun sort of introduction.
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And you're like, he starts talking about God, doesn't he?
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And in this next clip, he starts fucking talking about God.
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Well, we've been doing this for two years.
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I should be at least a little bit aware.
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I'm complimenting your instincts.
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Thank you.
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Mainstream national news host calling up saying word is Mueller's coming after you next.
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Want to comment?
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Yeah.
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How did you cover up Gary Epstein and his little kidnapped kids on plane?
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Dershowitz.
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Trump.
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Not Robert Mueller.
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And so I don't look forward to getting hung up by my toes and tortured to death.
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But you know what?
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That's a limited time.
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I don't want the full, I don't want the full Monty in hell with you guys.
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So Mueller and all you guys, Hillary, you can choose Hades.
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I want to go with Jesus Christ.
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That's where I stand now.
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Okay.
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So he has pivoted towards the religious section of the show.
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Yeah, there we go.
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And it's going to get very, very fucked up as it goes along.
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Like I, when I was listening to this on Friday, I thought the first hour was a disaster and
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super boring.
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And we've gone over it in terms of like Rogers, bland statements, his boilerplate defense
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on Alex's show.
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I thought the dynamic of Alex being pissed off that no one recognized the exclusive stuff.
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Pretty interesting.
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But I didn't think there was a full episode out of that.
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And then it got towards the mid to end of the show and Alex gets so unbelievably weird
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in the way that you would have expected him to come into the show with, he just somehow
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delayed it because he knew there were so many fresh eyes watching.
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And what I imagine, I can't prove this, but I imagine he did his first hour and a half
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or so lost a ton of listeners.
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They're like, all right, whatever.
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This is nonsense.
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I'm just going to watch on CNN or whatever.
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Alex isn't bringing it or whatever.
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And then he started to be like, all right, we're all cool here.
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I'm talking about God.
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I was going to say, we're in four ways to learn territory right now.
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He's not drunk as shit, but we're, we're in that level of weird, right?
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We will get to galactic quests.
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That is what I'm looking for.
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By the end of this, we will get to galactic quests.
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That's what I'm about.
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That's what I'm about.
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Uh, but before we do, there's one more clip where Alex is talking sort of political nonsense
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and I think he's lying.
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And almost all of DC sits back pissing itself while they send in Mueller's people trying
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to set us up over and over again.
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And I haven't released the big setup stuff yet.
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And I, cause you don't have any, I mean, I'm getting close to that, but it doesn't even
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really matter anymore because there are people that are either for the country or against
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it.
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If you don't know that every Democrat group says America sucks and needs to go away and
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it was never great and it'll never be great.
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And they have chance that we're not cherry picking.
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You think I go to some women's March in Austin funded by Soros or LA or, or DC.
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I've been to all of them where I see my reporter's footage.
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Do you think I feel good when I go, Oh great.
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The main March was America's going down.
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That's not what it is.
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But also I love the way he under his breath was like, I've been to all of them.
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I've seen my reporter's footage.
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Also I like in a, in a statement about how, Oh, America's never great.
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They're saying, he says cherry picking.
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And you're like, you're really close to saying cotton picking, which is kind of the point.
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Well, I mean, he also just refuses to engage with the actual arguments that these people
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are making.
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You know, America won't be great until we get to X point, you know, when we have, you
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know, just enough equality among people and we deal with issues realistically that those
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arguments aren't saying that America sucks.
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It's saying that we do sucky things.
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Yeah.
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Same thing.
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A lot of them.
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It's the same thing that you do in therapy.
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You know, you understand the difference between shame and guilt, those sorts of things.
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Like you have like, shame is I am bad.
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Guilt is I did something bad.
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There's a very important distinction to make between those things.
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And when people critique America for like, I don't know, our interventions in Venezuela,
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our interventions in all of South and Central America, our interventions all over the world.
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We turned crime against humanity into a wonderful store.
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It's fantastic.
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Our deeply, deeply racist history of slavery that pivoted and transitioned and was probably
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to some extent made worse by convict leasing programs that became the prison system.
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The new slavery.
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That's right.
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All this sort of thing.
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It's not to say that we suck and should kill ourselves or America should be gone.
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It's to say we did bad things.
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We need to own up to those things.
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And that's the only path forward.
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We won't be great until we acknowledge those things and work through them.
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And Alex's inability to understand what people are saying, not inability, unwillingness to
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understand what they're saying leads him to be like, I just hate America.
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You choose a side.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Overly simplistic.
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And it's what you'd expect.
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But who cares?
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Still a bummer.
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So now we get to the part where this is the beginning of the freak out in earnest.
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OK.
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You already talked about God a little bit.
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I'm excited.
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This is interesting because in this next clip, Alex starts fake crying.
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But what triggers him to start fake crying is that he starts talking about a time that
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he actually cried, which is weird because the memory of him talking about crying leads
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him to fake crying.
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It's very strange because it shouldn't be a memory that's super painful.
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That's fascinating.
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Whenever I think back on times I've cried, that doesn't make me super emotional.
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But when I was crying, it was because I was thinking of something else that was an emotionally
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resonant experience.
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Yeah.
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The time I'm sitting there crying isn't the emotionally resonant.
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It's a byproduct of the emotionally resonant experience.
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So Alex, for him...
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That's because you're a human being.
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Oh, that's true.
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Yeah.
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Alex isn't.
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When he talks about crying, he's reminded, I should probably pretend I have emotions.
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I literally walk in to my bedroom and sometimes just lean up against the wall because I've
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got strength, but sometimes I start to falter when I think about my kids and the people
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are this evil.
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And I start to cry.
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I'm not gonna lie to people.
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And it's not that I'm crying out weakness, it's that...
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This is a fake cry.
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I just can't believe it.
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Wow, this is bad.
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We have people openly saying they hate America, funded by chai comms that have killed five
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times what Hitler did, and then all we're trying to do is stabilize the country and
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defend our people.
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Watch the pivot.
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And we're attacked by a bunch of scum that's involved with the Russians and the Chinese
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and everybody else, and it doesn't scare me for myself.
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I'm not scared of Mueller.
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I'm scared that I'm not strong enough and I didn't do a good enough job to make sure
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that a goddamn pedophile army of devil worshipers, and I don't mean that in the Lord's name and
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I don't mean they're damned to hell, didn't get control of our country, and that more
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people don't realize how serious this is and how they're planting false flags and how they're
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doing all this and how they're trying to destroy the very essence of a nation existing.
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My favorite thing about Alex is when he gets on a roll and he has nothing and he's like,
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they're doing all this.
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Yeah.
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All the things.
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That was Spielberg's wife in Temple of Doom level of acting right there.
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So bad.
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Not good.
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It's so bad.
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Not good.
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It's interesting because you know it's all fake and performative.
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The way that Alex can only contextualize this fake showing of vulnerability if it transitions
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to rage.
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That's the only way that he understands the presentation of that emotion because he deems
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it weak.
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He thinks it's a weakness, and then in order to compensate for that, you have to pivot
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then into strength.
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And it's sad.
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It's really pathetic.
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Yeah, it is one of those like, I kind of don't think you understand humans.
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It's one of those psychopath test kind of things where it's like, I don't know if you
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feel human emotion.
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I know you know how to-
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It's hard to say because so much of it is performative.
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Exactly.
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It's totally possible that he feels normal emotions in his day to day life.
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Right.
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And then this, it's so hard to say.
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You see this fake crying and it's just pathetic.
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Yeah, and on the same level with this performative aspect and me like calling it psychopath behavior,
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I'm a performer.
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There have been plenty of times where I've felt like absolute garbage, but you know,
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you put on the comment face.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I accept that.
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And if you're making $40 million a year-
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That's true.
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Not making it, but if your business is pulling it in-
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Well, gross.
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Gross.
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All right.
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And it's all him.
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Yeah.
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And he is coming in from David Knight's show.
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Maybe a little, but none of it, like it's on his back.
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So he knows he's got to bring it.
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It's kind of-
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David Knight gets paid 40 bucks a show.
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It's kind of like having a big set every day, or at least in terms of like, you got to do
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what you got to do for this operation to continue.
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Yeah.
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Well, if you've ever read the Late Night Wars, it's like, oh, you guys are fucking crazy.
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The pressure is insane.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, I'm not going to take away from my consideration of Alex and how bad he's living,
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but it's still- I mean, it doesn't matter.
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No amount of pressure is going to make you this awful.
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It's going to reveal that you are this awful.
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Yeah, perhaps.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, we've been talking a little bit throughout this episode about how
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Alex Jones is like, they're going to take my dad.
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My dad's going down because of this corsey payoff shit.
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He's been sort of like, he's been basically making the point that like, I'm paranoid about
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this.
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It's bad.
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Yeah.
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And in this next clip, he just completely does a 180.
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Tyler, you know my dad.
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They're literally calling up like, oh, Jones, you're not afraid.
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We'll put your dad in prison.
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My dad.
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Oh no, nobody is off limits.
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They will take everything that you have.
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Take him.
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He's ready.
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My dad's ready.
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He's taking them.
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Your dad's a patriot.
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Take them all.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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Let's go.
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I can't take it.
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I can't imagine how funny it would be if they did just grab Alex Jones, David R. Jones,
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David Ross Jones going to prison.
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Anyway, in this next clip we find it.
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I mean, this is really what it's all about.
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Like this next clip, this is, this is it.
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I don't want to be the guy crying.
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Oh my God, they've got me.
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I just want listeners to know that one problem is we're, we're, we're too confident on one
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end.
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We need to really go up and shoot the bat signal out, we need to be flooded with money.
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And I know for a fact, less than 1% of people buy products on a regular basis, if just a
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few percentage, we would have everything we needed to defeat these people.
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But it's how God works.
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We always just, just get enough.
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But if I didn't have to spend time and I'm not bitching, going around, why don't you
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just throw Roger overboard or why don't you?
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Because that's the way he is.
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He didn't do the things they said because I like Roger.
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Well, I think the second one is more important than the first.
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I like him.
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He could have, he, one, he stole that from John Mulaney for sure.
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What?
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Cold blooded from a John Mulaney special, Radio City Hall special.
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It'd be funny if that was true.
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I think that might be true.
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It's possible.
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And two.
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He does steal a lot.
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And two, he missed the perfect opportunity, the perfect opportunity to say, go ahead,
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take my dad, please.
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Ah, take my dad.
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He was stealing from a cat's gaze.
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So we've heard a lot about Alex's dad, possibly being involved in all of these operations.
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But what about his mom?
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What does his mom have to say?
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What is his mom do?
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Well, I don't know.
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She works at Infowars in some way.
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She kicked him off his knee.
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That's for sure.
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We know about that.
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But what does she have to say about all this shit about his dad being targeted?
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That is a good question.
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Her husband.
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I really do think that's a good question.
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What does she think?
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You know, my mom, in 25 years I've been on air, 24 and a half has gotten mad at some
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of the things I've said or done, but when she learned they're trying to indict my dad
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for made up stuff, man, she just said, we're good people.
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We love God.
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And you just get out there and you kick their ass and be strong.
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Yeah, son, go out there and kick those globalists ass.
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Who is his mom?
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His dad.
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Clint Eastwood?
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They're just imagined figures in his head.
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This isn't happening.
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Yeah.
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That's fun.
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Anyway.
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Oh, God.
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This dude's crazy, man.
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At this point in the show, there's been enough time that has elapsed from Roger Stone's press
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conference that got, I know that in our show it's been a couple hours since we talked about
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that, but I'm still tickled by the booing.
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Boo!
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Cut his dick off!
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I will watch that.
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Like before we started the show, I forced you to watch Orson Welles drunkenly doing
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a champagne commercial.
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I happily did it.
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Yes.
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I love that commercial.
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So much joy.
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I love that commercial so much.
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And adding like in that pantheon will be that Roger Stone getting booed and seeing his face
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because his face is so like, oh, oh, you just see that fear in his face of like, this isn't
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going to go well.
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God.
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I wish I was one of those people.
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I can't bail immediately.
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That's like somebody who's like, uh, I was at the first Radiohead show.
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Like that is that level of like, I wish I was there.
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I wish I was there.
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See it live.
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That fear happened live.
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God damn.
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Oh, beautiful.
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Like you've been to like a standup show and you've seen someone like two minutes into
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their set be like, I want to, I want to not do this, but you have to do 15 or whatever.
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Like you have to do your time.
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You have to do your time and you see that in Roger's face and it's fucking awesome.
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But that happened earlier and now there's enough time has passed and the White House
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has given their response.
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Sarah Huckabee Sanders has come out and said, this doesn't have anything to do with Trump.
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Whatever.
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What a fucking lying asshole.
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She goes on CNN and does her deflection.
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Does like whatever Roger said, you know, like, yeah, sure.
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He's, he talked to Trump, but he's been someone who's been an advisor for so many people and
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this has nothing to do with Trump.
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No big deal.
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Whatever.
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And I wish she had, I wish she just breaks with the narrative and just goes, dude, I'm
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going to be honest.
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If Trump weren't the president, the FBI would show, would be showing up at his house at
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6am.
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This dude is fucking guilty.
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Holy shit.
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This guy's guilty.
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I know I'm getting paid a lot of money.
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For her to have like a, you want her to have like a network moment screaming in the streets.
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I'm mad as hell.
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Trump can't take it anymore.
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Yeah.
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But it's never going to happen.
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She's a bought and sold shill.
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No, she's, she's great at it.
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Dead on the inside.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She's very talented.
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I, I, I mean, not, not in as much as like she does a great job because if she did a
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great job, she'd be better at deflecting, but she doesn't crack.
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No, never.
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And that is her job.
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Never.
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That is the job.
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That really makes me sad for her.
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And like that, I mean, that's why Spicer got fucking fired.
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No, that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Spicer, Spicer cracked.
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Yeah.
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But that, that makes me sad for her because I just imagine the childhood that Huckabee
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gave her that turned her into that.
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You know, like, can you imagine growing up with Mike Huckabee as your dad?
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Yes, you can.
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Because you turn into a psychopath that stumps for, it's honestly weird because like Mike
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Huckabee's politics are terrible, but his brand does seem to be like, he's a good guy.
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Yeah.
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That's what he pretends to be.
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Yeah.
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Maybe he's not.
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He plays the bass and shit like that.
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Yeah.
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He seems folksy and kind of nice and maybe he's not.
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And you look at his daughter and you're like, oh, you fucked her up hard.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say.
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So the reason I bring this up is that Sarah Huckabee Sanders has come out and said like,
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fuck this noise.
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That's not on us.
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Don't, don't that basically like fucking Rogers on his own, which is a good thing to say.
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Right.
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As opposed to we're going to pardon him so he doesn't squeal.
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Or like, oh yeah, we're in on this or something like that.
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Of course that's the response they make.
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And it leads Alex to be super fucking pissed off about how the Trump administration isn't
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rallying to Roger's aid.
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Surprise.
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And you know what it turns out?
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They're just jealous.
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They know that info Wars and stone and all of us, the listeners got him elected and they're
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all hacks that just, we don't want to go attach ourselves to DC stone didn't ask for a job
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in DC.
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Exactly.
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So he has this competition.
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Yes, he did.
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They ought to be listening to us.
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I know the president and a few others do listen, but you're right.
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They're very, very angry that we're the real brain trust and they're not exactly dumb asses.
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We didn't come from where you are.
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We built our own thing.
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We called the country jackasses, testify my brother.
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Testify my brother.
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Testify.
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Also, I don't know if you heard that, but there was a leaf blower going on in the background.
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It becomes a real serious issue on the show.
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They do.
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I like this.
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I wish I would have pulled this clip because they start making jokes about how the globalists
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are blowing their leaves, but they're not serious.
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They're not serious.
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They're doing, and that kind of indicates that all of this is a joke.
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All the blaming things on the globalists.
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It's almost like they're doing a parody of themselves.
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It's very weird, but that's still Roger's lawyer, Tyler, who's saying that.
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Testify my brother.
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Get me a Nixon.
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Yeah.
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So I promise you that in a couple of clips, this will deteriorate back to the God fake
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crying part.
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For sure.
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But still, this is a deterioration.
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They're just all just fucking jealous of us.
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They're in DC and we just love the people.
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They are so fucking pissed off that we're the real power and that's why they don't respect
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Stone.
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And then Stone's lawyer is like, yeah, fuck yeah, buddy.
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Thumbs up.
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He's a bad lawyer.
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It's bad optics.
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God, he should, he's probably, he should go to jail.
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I think he might.
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I mean, based on what I know from his testimony, like he did get questioned by Mueller and
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from everything I can tell from public statements, from that indictment, from things that Cretico
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has said, like, I mean, whatever he said does contradict what is, seems to be the truth.
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Yeah.
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Um, so, and it's not just because Cretico says this, right?
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It's because it's documented.
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Yeah.
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It's because Roger documented it.
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And and Corsi.
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Yeah.
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Uh, yeah.
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It's uh, God, his, his only out is, is Mueller being like, you're just a shitty lawyer.
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You didn't, you're, you're just bad at your job.
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Well, I mean, I think you should be disbarred, but I think he, I think he could like in situations
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like this, I think that a lot of like lower, uh, wrong people probably are going to get
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a pass.
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I think he might be able to, in terms of like, this is inconsequential, maybe a tiny piece
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of information that was gleaned from your questioning has helped us figure out X, Y
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or Z.
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But like, yeah, I wouldn't.
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I don't think anybody gives a fuck if Tyler Nixon goes to prison.
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I do.
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I kind of want him to go to prison.
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I wouldn't mind.
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Yeah.
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Uh, but I'm, be a bad day.
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I'm not going to put my flag on that Hill though.
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Cut his dick off.
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So Alex is still sort of reeling and earlier, uh, we heard him talk about his $40 million
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a month of money coming in.
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He is putting his business out.
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Yeah.
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And then this next clip a little bit later in the show, he talks about it some more and
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he is fucking weird.
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We're organic, bringing in $45 million a year now.
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That was five years ago, 20 something million.
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We try to bring it in 45 million.
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Now I've got 20 million to work with after all the bandwidth taxes.
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I mean, today it'll be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bandwidth.
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We're so gigantic right now that person doesn't buy anything fine.
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So then I end up with a few million, pay it to lawyers, have nothing.
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And I'm like, well, I could sell my house and fund the place another three months business
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model.
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We're getting into it.
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I can't get in that position.
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I don't give a rat's ass.
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I mean, even about my own body, but when it comes to war, I just need the fuel.
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So we're down to this folks and that's, we're down to the wire bringing in $45 million this
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year.
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The way they've shut us down.
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We're lucky it was 30 million this year and I'll have to lay people off and start shutting
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down.
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So cause again, 30 million gross, half of its product costs, what's $15 million.
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I've got 10, five, $10 million or whatever it is in bandwidth costs.
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You're like, Oh, just do it yourself.
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I'm doing it myself.
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I'm fighting as hard as I can, but I need you to commit and go, dammit, I'm going to
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go to info war store.com and I'm going to buy the best products, the best fish oil,
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the best brain boost, the best turbo force.
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I'm going to go there and I'm going to do it.
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It's a war.
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Help please.
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Then it jumps to commercial.
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That's the hard out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's a dark glimpse.
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Dark, dark thing.
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I want you guys to go to the info wars website.
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I want you to go to the store and I want you to buy the single product that I advocated
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you not buying because I took half of a packet and I got fucked up.
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When I was watching the live stream of it, like I recorded it, but I didn't use it for
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like cutting the clips of this episode, but like on the GCN streams, it's, they have different
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commercials than on the live, like Alex's own thing because it's just all Alex's commercials.
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Well Diamond Gus, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.
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When the stone cold truth was a show, Diamond Gus, it was a sponsor on that GCN.
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Hell yeah.
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But when Alex like just does his own commercials, he has one where he's just like doing a real
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fucking weird turbo force commercial where he's like, listen, when you, if you take this
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the first time, take a quarter of it cause it's fucking weird.
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You're going to be fucked up.
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And then it ends with like somebody selling you an edible where they're like, Hey, Hey,
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you, you want to start out with a half of this work your way in, work your way.
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You're going to be like, this is an hour and I know you're cool.
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I know you're cool.
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I know you're cool.
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I'll eat the other half.
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Don't do it.
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Don't do it.
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Don't do it.
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Give it, give it an hour or two.
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Your gut tells you to do it.
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Don't do it.
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It's cool.
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Turbo force is real cool.
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This cookie will fuck you up.
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And then the, the commercial ends with Alex literally screaming, beware the power of turbo
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force.
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It's like, Oh boy, that is kind of a, that's not a terrible
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sales pitch for the person who would get turbo for the person who's still there.
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Yeah.
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Well, not just that, but the person who's like, Oh shit.
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Are you telling me this is dangerous?
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Fuck yeah.
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Yeah.
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You might as well just say, do math.
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I'm too cowardly to find a dealer, but I want some math.
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I want math there.
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Alex does another commercial too that I wish I'd cut one of, but like he's doing a commercial
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for the idea of posting hashtag Alex Jones.
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It's like a 30 second spot where it's just like hashtag Alex Jones.
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If we do this, we will win.
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You're doing a commercial for a fucking hashtag.
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That's like a podcast that's famous where they're like, well, we don't have a sponsor
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for this a little bit right now, but it would be nice if you continued listening to this
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show.
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Anyways, it's incredibly sad that Alex constantly talks about how fuck these
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social media platforms.
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I don't care that I'm off them.
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And then does a commercial of, please use those to me on those social media platforms
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because they won't let me.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, we get back to this and Alex says something about how much of a pussy Donald
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Trump is and how his whole administration is full of a dumb cucks.
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Uh, and also he needs money by the way, Jacob, you know, if they don't support Roger or me
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or others that I don't even really care at the end of the day.
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You know what?
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Fine folks.
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If you don't see what we've done, where we're at, I think the listeners, this is show cut
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and dry.
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I can't imagine that America isn't more pissed.
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Like Sarah Huckabee Sanders is like, glad there's no Russian collusion says it has nothing
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to do with the white house.
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Oh great.
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Cut him loose.
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When Trump called him a hero a few months ago, it's like that is like blood in the water.
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But again, they're a bunch of damn cowards.
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We need wartime presidents.
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We're fighting for our country.
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We need people committed to this damn country.
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Hell yes, Alex.
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Let's get angry.
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Let's get wild.
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Who the fuck is that?
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Now?
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What the F are we going to have?
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They're going to make them really get their terror teams ready.
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All I know is I've committed my will.
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Everybody has been maneuvered into whoever gets banned.
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Oh, don't defend them.
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You'll get banned.
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They've already taught you how to be cowards.
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You've already failed lesson one.
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Now you'll fail forever if you don't wake up.
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That guy was the guy who published Roger Stone's book.
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So it's kind of just a parade of Roger Stone associates on the show.
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Who cares?
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His interview is terrible.
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I don't know if I've ever heard you.
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That's so funny.
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Just dork.
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God damn it.
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I mean, I'm sorry.
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I lost my shit.
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No, I know.
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I know.
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It's a dork.
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It's a dork.
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The guy's on nerd patrol over there.
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You always have the name and you're like, this is the guy who published Roger.
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I know what he is.
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I don't give a fuck what his name is.
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Yeah, no.
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Dork.
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Yeah.
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There's a certain amount of research that I can do and like in a given amount of time.
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Right.
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And then what I have to do is kind of prioritize what's important.
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These bigger issues.
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What's not important is what else this fucking nerd has published.
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I don't give a shit.
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His interview with Alex is boring.
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It's just the same things Alex has been saying the whole time.
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Yeah.
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Who gives a shit?
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I'm sure he's published some fucking stupid books and we could talk about that for another
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20 fucking minutes.
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But instead we got to talk about how Alex is getting weird.
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Now what is he?
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Pete Holmes?
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He makes it weird.
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We have one clip and then it's off the cliff.
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It's off the fucking cliff into esoteric weird nonsense where Alex is, spoiler alert, going
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to essentially say that he is the voice of God.
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There's a tree.
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It's in the river of life.
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It's not.
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Nope.
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No, no, no.
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But the tree is life.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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That's more fun because that's vague.
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Alex is being a little too specific towards the end of this.
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But before he does, he's got to talk a little bit more about what we learned on Christmas
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Eve 2018 about how Alex told Roger to get in touch with Assange.
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Alex starts talking about it again and I think that's what kicks him into like full on freak
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out.
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Stone, New Credit Co. and a bunch of others, he works the media.
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He was trying to get a hold.
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I remember saying, Roger, get Assange or you interview him.
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It would be bigger.
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Find out.
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Well, I hear it's really big.
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I hear all this.
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But he was there.
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He was asking for a job.
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And I said, you get me Julian Assange exclusive.
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You've got your job.
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And back then, he was a Fox News contributor, pay fifty thousand dollars a year.
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He won't make a big deal out of that.
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They've got hundreds of people on the payroll as a contributor as soon as he worked for
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us.
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He lost his job at Fox.
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But I was was that why, you know, of course, he used to work and write for Lou Dobbs at
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CNN.
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So I'm getting the big wig anti globalist guys hired.
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They turn that into this criminal thing we're involved in.
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And it's just like plastic banana fake baloney B.S. world.
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But what I'm getting at is we don't take it serious because we know it's not true.
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But then it happens.
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And twenty nine SWAT team people attacked the house to make it look like it's legitimate.
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And now Roger's confident now.
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But my God, next week he gets arraigned like Manafort a year ago.
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You're going to have to go walk into that that federal courthouse and never coming out
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again, man, except in a damn wheelchair show show.
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You know, we're talking here, folks, about real persecution.
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And if they this is a test like a parent test, a perch, you know, put its beak on to see
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if it can stand out with weight.
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If America fails this test, if Trump and Sarah Huckabee Sanders fails this test, they fail
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this test.
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We're done.
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So I'm a big Trump booster.
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Help get him in.
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He's a great guy.
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But right now, I'm two by four upside the head saying, listen, get in gear, honcho.
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So that seems like I don't know.
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I'm tired of Alex's like lines in the sand about Trump, you know, like I don't I can't
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get it up for him being like, shut up, shut this up, you dirty asshole.
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And then tomorrow you're like, oh, you know, you got to get a little chance.
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This seems more real than the others, if only because it's like it affects his bottom line.
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But I still I still don't give a fuck.
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But like the way he's talking about this, it makes it seem like he 100 percent believes
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Roger's version of the timeline.
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Yeah.
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That's not true.
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The day like Roger's version of the timeline isn't true, as we discussed at the beginning
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of the show.
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You've absolutely proven that as has Mueller, you know, like I'm only going off of the documents
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that they have released.
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No, I'm not saying that you research this scene and yeah, I have a special investigation.
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Yeah.
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No, you directed yourself two years ago to learn more about that.
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Yeah.
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So I've been I've been sort of teasing you a little bit.
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And that's not that's not intentional because Alex freaked out a little bit earlier.
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Yeah.
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And he does freak out really hard.
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But I kind of forgot as we were going through it, that there are a couple of like just sort
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of substantive clips.
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There are some peaks and valleys.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He came back to reality to talk about like how I gave Roger this job and I told him to
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get Assange as a condition of getting this job.
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Right.
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Right.
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I hired him, which implies that he did get in touch with Assange.
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Right.
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He's Alex is now saying he didn't get in touch with who knows who cares.
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All that stuff is.
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That's the grounding aspect of it.
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Right.
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But then in this next clip, Jordan, he goes up.
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There goes gravity.
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No.
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Mom's spaghetti comes up because Alex accidentally starts talking about why he does his show.
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Why does Alex Jones do his show?
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He admits why.
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And so the one crime I have, the one skill I have, why do you say crime is I got a hell
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of a lot of life force and a hell of a lot of will.
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And I'm ready to die.
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In fact, I'm not just ready to die.
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Giving into these global issues, unlimited death, I can feel hell on the other side.
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In fact, I do this out of fear.
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There's no way to join them and get out of this.
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The only thing you can do is resist it.
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And those of you that have any discernment left will have chills up on your spine.
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You need to go with God right now.
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You need to understand you can't beat this by yourselves.
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You need to ask for Jesus Christ right now.
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And you need to reach towards God, everything you've got.
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Now there are those of us that have to stand in the gap to try to get time for people to
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wake up and I'm willing to do it, but let me tell you, he didn't fun with this breathing
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down my neck.
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So I'm gonna tell you right now, folks, you better decide which side you're on.
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You better to do it forever.
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I've decided I'm against you, Alex.
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I don't care to side with your imagined enemies, but I'm against you.
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I think he's trying to pull himself off as like, what if Obi-Wan Kenobi was Alex Jones?
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Like that's the only corollary I can think of.
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What if Obi was racist?
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Yeah, exactly.
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What if Obi-Wan Kenobi, instead of being a wise Jedi master who helped fuck up the Empire
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or whatever, what if he instead was a fucking lunatic like a Yosemite Sam in the desert?
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What if he was a controlled opposition agent trying to lure Skywalker into a false flag
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attack?
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No!
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The Death Star was a false flag.
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Last Jedi was a great movie.
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Fuck everybody who disagrees.
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That clip is pretty insane and one of the reasons that I think that last clip was really
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deeply fucked up is that, like Alex is admitting, I operate off of fear.
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I only do this because I'm scared.
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I know that a lot of that is performative, but I think there's a kernel of truth in there.
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I think that there is a fear that drives him.
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One of the problems that I have with that is that his fear is based on an imagined enemy.
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This idea of these globalists and all this stuff, when you really break it down and you
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have to parse what he's talking about, you look at the documents that he references and
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you realize those don't say what he's saying.
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You look at the things that are formative to him, things like the naked capitalist by
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Skousen, but none dare call it conspiracy.
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Then you realize, oh, this is just crock of shit, communist conspiracy theory bullshit
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from decades past.
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It's all just warmed over protocols of the elders of Zion, kind of ideas worked into
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a new framework.
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The Russians know how to propagandize in a way that has resonated through the past 110
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years.
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Right.
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The modern Russian state can't be blamed for that.
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No, absolutely not.
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You start to recognize that and you start to think about it.
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That's where Alex got the conception of these imagined enemies that he's so afraid of.
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You start to look at it a little bit.
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I might be reaching a little bit too much and I know I try to practice radical empathy
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with Alex because I think it's the only way to approach him.
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Deal with exactly the things he's saying on a literal basis.
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You deal with insanity by bringing acceptance of that insanity and then analysis of that
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insanity.
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If you respond with anger and be like, ah, look at this fucking asshole and get mad,
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you're never going to get anywhere.
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You dismiss it, you're also never going to get anywhere.
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So when I hear stuff like this, I recognize what he's saying and I try to hear what he's
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saying.
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And I hear that.
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I hear there are these demonic, weird and enemies that I have that are based on this
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misunderstanding of history that was based on all these books.
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And when I sit with it a little bit longer and I hear a clip like that where Alex says,
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I am motivated by fear.
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It's hard for me not to think about the idea that he encountered these ideas as a child
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and he got fucking terrified about them.
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Like I don't, I don't mean to let him off the hook at all.
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Again, like as much as that like sleep apnea, brain damage stuff, like I'm not letting him
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off the hook for his ideas, just possibly his behavior is explained by that.
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In the same way you look at this and you think like the brain of a child could be very traumatized
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by the idea of this demonic world force that's against you and they have tendrils everywhere.
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The idea of a 12 year old mind taking in this none dare call it conspiracy where it's like
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every single powerful entity is working against you and they want to commit genocide and all
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that stuff.
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There's a really decent chance that that book fucked his mind up and he's been living in
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like a PTSD kind of state since.
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He operates off fear because of that child brain.
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Right.
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No, the thing that I have occasionally gone back and forth on is, are we a true crime
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podcast?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like to a certain extent we are watching a serial killer and we are tracing technically
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probably killed one guy.
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Yeah, well, okay.
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Individual killer.
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Like in a certain sense, we are tracing this man who you cannot have empathy for back to
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a place where you could have had empathy for him.
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And so with something like that, I feel like that is a layer cake of like the first layer
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is if you take him literally, he is afraid.
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The second layer is this is a performance.
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He's not actually afraid, but the bottom layer is he was or is actually afraid and he is
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hiding this reality like a chai comm nesting doll.
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Yeah.
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I mean, because, you know, because what you, you have to wrestle with is the idea that
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what he's afraid of isn't real.
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Yeah.
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Like it's just not.
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Yeah.
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And so then the question becomes after that, where did he get those ideas?
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And as you start like going down that road, the further and further you get down that
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road, the more you realize, like, this has just been a lot.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's basically what we're doing is serial, but with too many episodes and that
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was like a 10 part series, no end point, like we have no preparation and a WBEZ is not involved.
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And neither is male kemp.
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Yeah.
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Male kemp doesn't care.
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So I think that's really fucked up.
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And I think it tells a lot.
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I think, I think it speaks volumes, but in this next clip, this is where Alex starts
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to get like a dangerous level of grandiose this, this next two clips, I think are so
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fucked up.
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If you love God and you love justice and you hear what I'm saying, it means you resonate
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with God.
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That is deeply fucked up.
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I believe it was Jesus who said Alex Jones would be the rock of the church.
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I believe that Alex Jones is the lodestone who holds up the church.
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That sounds right.
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I mean, like on a very basic level, what he's saying is that like, I speak for God and if
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what I'm saying resonates with you, then you resonate with God.
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That's I mean, that's not, this isn't a political show, man.
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This is, this is like that if it wasn't on the radio and just being said in a small room,
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that's cult shit.
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Yeah.
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That is cult shit to a T.
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If Anderson Cooper goes on TV and says, if you understand what I'm saying, you understand
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what God is saying to you.
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Holy shit.
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The entire world would fucking explode.
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Yeah.
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And rightfully so.
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Yeah.
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It would be insane.
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It would be insane.
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And the thing is, this is the type of shit he could get away with when he was on social
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media.
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Yeah, totally.
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This isn't something that's going to get, this is just like, Hey, you're weird.
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You're fucked up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he's implying that he speaks for God.
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Well he does.
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Sure.
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It's a weird God.
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And this next clip, he kind of implies that Infowars is an outpost for God and you decided
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which side you're on.
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That's why this is all here.
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There's not just evil in the world.
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God made sure that there'd be platforms until the last minute of the last hour.
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Always saying we're here for you.
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We love you.
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We're inclusive.
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Life is inclusive.
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Don't go with Satan.
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That's crazy.
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That is crazy.
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That is insane.
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That is fucking crazy.
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That is literally the part about like, God is going to provide platforms and we're one
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of them.
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Like that sort of idea.
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That's crazy.
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The other one is Facebook.
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But the other, the other like more grounded part of it is that Alex thinks he's inclusive.
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That part is even crazier because you can, you can, you can toss aside the like God and
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delusions of the, of weird mania.
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That that sort of stuff is like, you can put that in a box.
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The idea that he thinks he's inclusive is so inexcusable.
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Okay.
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There is a, just from a, a literal definition standpoint, inclusion does not necessarily
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a preclude exclusion.
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Sure.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Limited inclusion.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can still be inclusive, but if your inclusion is only white people, I mean, technically
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you are inclusive.
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I should say before that clip, he did say, you can be brown, black, black, white, Asian.
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True.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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He did it.
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He did his like, we all bleed red.
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As long as you are a white supremacist, it doesn't matter what skin color you have or
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where are you from or what you practice.
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He was trying, you know, he did his lead up to that, uh, that, that comment there with
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the, like you could be white, black, brown, Asian, uh, Hispanic, whatever, like that sort
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of standard boiler plate.
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But I really don't think it's important.
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Like the fact that he said that and which is why I didn't include it in the clip.
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Yeah.
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Well now you're exclusive.
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No.
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I don't care how he prefaces that.
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I know.
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I know.
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His imagined idea of inclusivity is, is so exclusive.
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It's it's, it's the only good Islam that isn't radical is Christianity.
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So Alex is getting into this really weird head space where he's like, I speak for God.
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If you listen to what I'm saying and get a boner, then you resonate with God.
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And that's great.
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And then also God has made it.
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So there will be places where you can come until the last days.
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And that's me.
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That's us.
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That's what we're doing here.
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We are an outpost sanctioned by God, which is really, really deeply fucked up.
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And we have one more clip.
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I want to be clear.
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This last clip, uh, really demonstrates entirely what Alex's entire operation is about.
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And when we enjoy these sort of like weird esoteric dalliances that he has, it's important
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to realize why they're there.
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And then also realize that Alex is, you know, I mean, there's indications he's struggling
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too, but he's struggling with like ghosts, imaginary, the things that he's struggling
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with that are real are things that he's created himself, his own like roadblocks he's built.
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But like, listen to how this, this clip, I think is a full demonstration of like where
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that like fun, interesting, esoteric nonsense pivots back into the real world.
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And it's the same thing when he's faking crying and it turns into rage.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's always something that he's marginally in control of.
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Okay.
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You don't think I don't know the enemy's own operations, all their maps, all their plans.
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It's a weakness of mine that I won't project into it and actually look into what they do.
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But I do it.
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I do it when I have to.
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And it's, it's, it's not fun.
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And I'm not complaining.
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Here's the thing.
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I'm, I'm actually weak.
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I really should look into the enemy's mind more and I I've promised I would, I have not
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had the will to do it lately, but I'm going to try maybe tonight, maybe tonight.
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It's it's really horrible though.
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I, you see what they're doing to kids and everybody it's it's it's not fun.
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I'll just leave it at that.
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And but I'll, I'll do what has to be done.
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All I'm telling you is we need your prayers.
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We need your support now, not tomorrow, not next week, not next year.
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This is it.
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This is the big push for the decision on a planetary level, whether we are destroyed
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as a planet or whether we go to the next level, our spirits, God's already gonna divide those
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up from the good, from the bad, but this is an intergalactic quest.
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It's a great moment to be alive and I'm just very blessed and very humbled to be here talking
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to you.
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And I just encourage you again, the power you have when you get excited and you get
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focused is unlimited.
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When you understand the potential you have and when you financially support us.
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Boo.
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Boo.
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You see, you see, he's in control of that.
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Yep.
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He's saying a bunch of shit, a bunch of nonsense and it's fun on some level.
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Like this, there's like, he's getting esoteric and talking about like, it's a, it's a galactic
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quest we're on.
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Yeah.
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The destruction of our very planet hinges on Roger Stone's indictment.
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Somehow Tim Allen is involved.
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That nonsense is all within his control because he's easily able to weave it towards like,
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you have to financially support us.
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He has an ad pivot out of one of the deeper esoteric nonsense kind of idea.
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Like I'm going to look into the enemy's mind.
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I try to, but it's too painful.
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It's too painful.
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Maybe tonight.
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Maybe tonight.
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And he's still doing the exact same voice he's doing in that weird esoteric breakdown
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when he gets into like, you have to give us support financially.
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It's now.
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The battle is now.
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Yeah.
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And so I know I break myself away from any kind of ethical ideas about like, like, I
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don't know, just in any way feeling sorry for him.
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Because when you see stuff like that, you don't know there's, there's nothing that is
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not intentional about how he's using his fucked up ness.
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Yeah.
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We, I don't, I don't think that there's anything wrong about you and I taking time out of our
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day to wrestle with the possibility that we're wrong in mocking him.
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I was, Oh, I was thinking the whole time that clip was going on, I was getting back to this.
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Like we've done this so many times where you've listened to him and this is his talent.
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His talent is truly, even while we have spent two years dissecting all the dumb fuck shit
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that he has said and, and proving that this is intentional.
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While I was listening to that clip, I was kind of halfway in the list place of like,
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what do you really believe?
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Is this all, what, what is you?
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And then, and then it's like, Hey, we need your financial support.
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And you're like, that's, that's it.
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That's it.
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Yep.
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While he's a, while he's trying to defend Roger, obviously he doesn't want any more
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questions to be asked about himself or his dad.
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Of course not.
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But he's mostly primarily concerned with the idea that I have the exclusive and no one's
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talking about it.
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We have so many people coming to the website and 1% of you buy our product.
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It's kind of pissing me off.
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And then as the show goes on, he loses a ton of the fucking audience cause they're like,
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he's not really even talking about any Roger stuff.
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This isn't really that interesting.
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Yep.
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And he gets into an existential crisis, starts talking about God, gets into this weird fucking
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place where he says that he speaks for God and Infowars is an outpost for God and he's
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going to get into the enemy's mind, but it's so painful.
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But it's really just a way to continue what he's been doing the whole show, which is try
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and get people to give him more money because he's making less money than before.
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Yep.
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So fuck all of this.
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I'm going to say at the end of this, my summation is I think that first of all, I made my point
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clear earlier.
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Roger Stone is fucked.
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That indictment is pretty open and shut.
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God damn well should be.
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We will be back in the future talking about the Corsi stuff as more information is available.
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Yeah.
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Right now, I don't think there's enough for us to have a solid position on it.
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Although if I were a gambling man, which I am, give me my wallet.
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Where is it?
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Over there.
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I would bet.
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You should really know where you are.
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That Corsi is probably cooperating in a substantial way.
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And there might be a lot of information that comes out from that because I also think he's
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a coward.
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I think he is a Corsi.
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Oh, Corsi is for sure.
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He strikes me as someone who is probably over-trusted in that world and also very malleable.
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No, I would say it took forever to break Manafort.
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And when the FBI called Corsi, he was like, you're the FBI?
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I will tell you literally everything right now over the phone.
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I don't even know.
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Manafort.
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I don't even want you to bring me in.
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Manafort since the early 80s literally has worked for dictators like murderers.
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He has lobbied for and gotten paychecks for blood.
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He knows that and has done that.
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The same with Roger.
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They have known that their business is built on the deaths of people in other countries
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and they've made peace with that.
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Don't hold on.
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Not just the deaths, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of deaths.
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Tortures.
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Yes.
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Tortures.
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Absolutely.
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Brutality.
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Like the things that even just in Zaire and in the Philippines.
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Even just those, you get into the specifics of what those people were doing that were
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contracted by their firm.
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Like it's unspeakable stuff.
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Like Ferdinand Marcos, like he legitimately had a policy in place where what he would
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like to do is he would take people and then he would disfigure them.
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Like political dissidents, you disfigure them and kill them and then leave their bodies
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in the open for people to find in order for them to find it and be terrified about this
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is what happens.
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Roger Stone and his firm still were fine taking their money.
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So the point that I'm making here with this sort of like real distillation of the brutality
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of people Roger Stone is comfortable working with and Manafort is that those dudes have
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ice water in their fucking veins.
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They don't give a shit.
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Like they will protect their ass as best they can.
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But when it comes down to it, if they're in a courtroom or Mueller is talking to them,
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they have faced down people who have murdered thousands of people.
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So they have some experience with that high pressure situation.
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Yeah.
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Corsi has written for WorldNet daily.
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Corsi wrote a bullshit book about Obama not being a citizen.
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Like he poses like someone who's like, I have all these contacts with the people in intelligence
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and whatever.
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He's not made of the strong stuff.
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And I'm not saying that is a positive thing that Manafort and Stone are.
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They have been deeply mixed up with people who are much more dangerous than even the
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United States judicial system.
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Right.
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So when we did the Joe Arpaio episode, I had to stop because you went through line by line
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and insane number of torturous, murderous fucking bullshit and negligence and intentional
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negligence.
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Intentional.
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Arpaio is a true monster.
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Absolutely.
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Roger Stone and Paul Manafort have been the Himmler's for many dictators, like even Himmler
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was just a fucking propagandist for only one dictator when they go to hell, which doesn't
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exist.
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And that's why I hope they get lit on fire, bomber hell doesn't exist because of them.
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Because they are worse than Nazis.
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And the big problem that I have is that like Roger Stone plays into his images, like I'm
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a fucking dirty trickster or whatever to like.
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And and I think that it's so important to draw a line between like what is the fun image
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of him and the reality.
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Because it's different.
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It's different.
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Like he's like, ah, look at this.
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I like back when he worked for fucking Nixon's reelection campaign, it's like sending invitations.
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To Democrats.
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To a fake dinner.
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Yeah.
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They're like, ah, prank.
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You know, like that sort of stuff, like, OK, cool.
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Yeah.
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You were also involved in Watergate shit.
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That stuff did come out.
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Yeah.
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Like, oh, but it's still like that was when you're like 20.
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There's trickster ish elements to it.
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It's cantankerous.
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Yeah.
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That's not who he is since then.
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And it's not been who he has been since at least the fucking 80s.
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I mean, there's a ton of people who are involved with info wars that we could do an episode
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that would be like scathing.
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Yeah.
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And damning.
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Yeah.
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And just because it's not the most pressing thing ever.
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It would take a ton of work and it would be like, well, we just got to keep the process
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moving forward.
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Right.
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People like Paul Craig Roberts or like Wayne Madsen.
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Yeah.
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Like these people have deep histories of really fucked up things that they've done.
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And when they're relevant, we will do a whole episode about them.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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And Roger Stone just forced our hands by getting indicted.
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Yeah.
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And the important thing is that he is no joke.
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He is a fucking monster and not in a fun way now.
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It's fun to treat him as if he's a monster in a fun way.
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It's more fun.
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Well, it's it's how you get through it.
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It's it's one of those things where I and this is the hard part of just pure morality.
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If you want to go with a fucking point system, when you talk about the dictators that they
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fucking worked for, sure.
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They tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of people who never, ever.
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And it shouldn't have happened.
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It should never have happened, no matter what.
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But somehow there are people who have truly done enough to actually deserve that treatment
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and they will never, ever, ever get it like I don't I don't care.
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I don't care as far as look, Roger Stone deserves the worst of what I hope he gets a very comfortable
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accommodation in a federal prison where the state pays for him to survive for the rest
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of his life.
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So so, Jordan, we're at the end of this episode.
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We're done.
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And I don't I don't know.
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I think I'm exhausted.
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I don't know how to sum any of this up.
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Roger's screwed.
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We'll see what happens.
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The course he stuff will play out over the next bit.
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We'll see.
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We'll see.
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I don't know.
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It's I would like you to sum this up because I'm burnt out.
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OK.
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I will do my best to sum this up as well as I can.
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Stone is fucked.
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Corsi is fucked.
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Everybody is fucked.
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Somehow Alex is not fucked in the same way.
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And I think he is financially fucked.
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Well, he's financially fucked, but he's not fucked in the way that he's going to go to
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prison like.
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And I think that is both something that he is jealous of as well as something that he
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is grateful for.
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And it's it's a weird place for him to be.
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So for him to do an episode like this, he is watching people become martyrs in their
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own minds in a real way.
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And it bums him out because he is a martyr in a fake way.
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But it also bums him out that he's not getting the exclusive with Joan of Arc.
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It does.
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So it does.
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Yeah.
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Because that's really what it's more about is like his bottom line.
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Yeah.
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Because the day his best friend gets arrested, he's concerned that no one's giving him credit
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for.
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Like, if you got arrested.
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I wouldn't come on the podcast, do an emergency episode where it's like, hey, Jordan's on
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the phone.
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Hey, Jordan, how's it going?
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And then do an interview with you.
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And then for fucking 40 minutes, be like, no one is recognizing that I talked to Jordan.
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Like that's a weird impulse.
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That's a very weird.
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But it's a it's a perfectly logical impulse for their relationship as both of them being
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psychopaths.
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Because Roger was on the phone with them and then fucking bailed.
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I don't get no with no like goodbye or anything like that.
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I got to go to the fuck out of him.
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It's just to voicemail.
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And Alex is on air and he's not saying we should take care of Stone.
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He's saying, give me money.
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Yeah.
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He's he donate.
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He says, hey, donate to Roger Stone's legal defense fund once, twice.
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And he says, donate to Infowars or buy Infowars products a million times.
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And most of the times he's saying donate to Stone's fund.
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He's also then pivoting into like, we also need money.
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So 100% it's a it's it's two parasites sucking off each other to some extent.
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And it's an untenable, like unsustainable situation.
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I don't know.
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We'll see what happens.
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We have done this episode with the amount of information we have at our disposal now.
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There will be more information coming in the future that may color some of this stuff.
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But I think that for now we've done as best as best we can.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, we have a Web site.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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It's also FillYourHand.com.
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It's also Alex Jones Show dot US.
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Love that one.
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Love it.
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Thank you, Ian.
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A lot of new followers there.
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God.
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So many posts in the group have been like we started listening or I started listening
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from the beginning and now I'm losing my mind.
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Guys, this show is the turbo force of podcast.
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It's too late in the episode to say this but yeah, I've made this point a number of times.
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Be careful with even our show.
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The rhetoric that Alex employs is so toxic that even with context and all that and humor,
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it's still - if you listen to too much of it, it will be painful.
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But be that as it may, we'll be back.
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I will say -
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Indeed.
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Here's what I would say.
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Do you think Stone has killed a guy?
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No.
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I don't know.
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Oh, man.
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I feel like he had to.
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I mean, he's strangled a dude or at least somebody.
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Manslaughter.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But his lawyer, Tyler Nixon, I assume probably hasn't killed anybody.
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Possible.
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That guy seems like he's just -
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Unless he took the - I think he may have taken the identity of the real Tyler Nixon.
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Of the guy who - the Eisenhower grandson who married into the Nixon family?
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Possibly.
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But we can't prove it.
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But one guy who has technically probably killed a guy, that's Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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