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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Hi.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Have you ever bought a sex toy?
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Yeah, no. I guess I didn't buy it. A friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, one time.
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Friend of the show, Marty DeRosa, has spent a lot of time in sex toy shops.
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He bought me a fleshlight on our way back from doing a week of shows in Cleveland.
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Oh boy.
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We did a week in Cleveland.
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As like an apology?
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Yeah, because I didn't really get paid for the shows and stuff.
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I was just sort of along for the fun and the ride.
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And on the way back we went through, I think we went through Indiana,
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and the Lion's Den is the notorious sex shop.
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Oh, I-65, baby.
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And so we went in and Marty was thinking about getting a fleshlight,
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and I'm like, I can't afford this. I can't. I can't afford this.
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This is just too much.
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That was your response to that?
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Not like, I don't want a fleshlight.
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I was curious at the time. I was a younger man.
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Okay, fair, fair.
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And so I was like, well, you know, I think it would be fun, whatever.
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I'd never really dabbled in that world.
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And so I was looking at the cheaper ones, the real shitty fleshlight knockoff type things.
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And Marty saw me-
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Fleshlights, if you will.
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When Marty was going to the checkout and what have you,
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he saw me sadly looking at these low rent sex toys.
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And he's like, you know what, make it around.
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That's the kind of friend Marty DeRosa is.
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He's the, that's the best.
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Yeah, he's told this story a number of times,
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so I don't mind putting his business in the streets.
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Yeah, love you, Marty.
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I had that fleshlight for a little while, and it was kind of, it wears out its novelty.
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Yeah.
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The excitement of, you know, the first time around or whatever is great,
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but then over time it becomes a hassle.
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You gotta clean it.
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You gotta do the whole thing.
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One time I had-
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Rory Scoville has the best bit about the fleshlight.
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I'm sure I would just end up paraphrasing it with my own complaints if I tried to,
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so I will leave it at that.
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Yeah.
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One thing that does not wear out its excitement for me-
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That's a great transition, man.
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Thank you.
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Is my feelings-
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You are going to have to wash it, though.
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Towards our listeners, and so today I'd like to start the show by giving a shout out to
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a couple new people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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First of all, Eben, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Eben.
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Thank you very much, Eben.
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Next, Jason S., thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jason S.
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Thank you, Jason S.
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Next, Emma, thank you.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Emma.
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Thank you, Emma.
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Next, Chris Cross.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Chris Cross.
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Thank you.
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You better make me jump.
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Nope.
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I like to believe-
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MacDaddy will make you jump.
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That's wiggity-wiggity-wiggity-wack.
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I like to believe that it's actually Christopher Cross.
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Oh, it could be Christopher Cross.
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Who likes to go sailing and he rides like the wind.
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Fair enough.
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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who has joined up on a little bit of an elevated
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level, and we appreciate it oh so very much.
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So, Seth, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Seth.
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Thank you very much, Seth.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do, I'd like to
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We would appreciate it.
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I would also like to say that if any of you out there are wondering, hey, is my policy
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wonk induction coming?
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We're probably about two weeks behind on that, so they are coming.
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But we can't spend the entire beginning of the show, you know, we can't spend like 10
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minutes doing this or else we get into trouble.
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So, Jordan, today we have got, oh, first of all, sorry about the weird schedule this week
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as opposed to Monday, Wednesday, Friday doing Tuesday, Thursday episodes.
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Things were a little bit hectic and I just couldn't keep up, quite frankly.
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I'll take this one.
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I'll take it.
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I'll own it.
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You know, it is just a matter of this is a, there's a lot to do, especially with our last
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episode with all the Soros business and stuff like that.
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Sometimes it's just the workload's too much.
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So Tuesday, Thursday this week, we're back to normal next week.
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Absolutely.
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I don't think anyone's mad about it and I'm not defensive about it.
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I just want...
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No, not really.
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Okay.
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I know it may seem like it, but I'm not.
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Okay.
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I just want to give a little bit of explanation for people.
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Good.
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So today, Jordan, we are going to be going over a modern day episode.
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We're going to be going over the 15th of January, 2019.
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In the year of our Lord?
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That's correct.
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I'm still writing June on my checks.
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That's correct.
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You got to get out of that habit.
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And so that would be Tuesday's episode.
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And I chose that because Alex has had this big news broke recently.
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I'm sure you heard something about this.
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And that is that he lost a little legal situation, wherein the Sandy Hook families who are suing
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him will be able to get in discovery some of his financial documents and internal memos.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's this legal situation and everybody is bringing it up to me.
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And I wanted to be able to address it by covering whatever Alex is talking about about it.
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But because it's something negative in Alex's life, he's not talking about it.
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So I listened to Monday and a lot of it is just complaining about that Gillette commercial.
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And that's a zero for me.
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That's a nonstarter.
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Not interested in that sort of stuff.
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Nope.
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Not really caring so much.
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Yep.
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And so we're not going to go over that episode.
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But Tuesday, the 15th, there was a bit more stuff that actually interested me and I think
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Merritt's talking about.
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And so we will.
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And here is an out of context drop from today's show.
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Oh, it's well known Trump likes tacos and Obama likes, likes wieners.
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Ha ha.
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Get it?
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Get it?
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Ha ha.
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Nope.
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Alex likes to have fun.
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Refuse.
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Yeah.
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That's terrible.
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Refuse.
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I blanket refuse that.
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That's ironic too, because that's a piece of his conversation that he's having where
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he's defending Trump, getting all those hamburgers for the football team, the Clemson football
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team.
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Right, right, right.
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Trump, Trump tacos.
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He got hamburgers because he likes pussy.
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Get it?
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And Obama got food because he likes dicks.
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Get it?
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I don't know.
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So anyway, we will start the show with what is Alex's main narrative on the show.
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Yes.
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And it should not surprise anyone to hear any of this sort of nonsense.
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A really important story that illustrates why we can't take this country back.
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GOP has thrown Representative King over board, Steve King, with a out of context quote from
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the New York Times who's famous for lying.
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The New York Times is a criminal anti-American vicious lie factory.
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He's put a letter out.
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He said that they removed words out of what he said, which is clear what he was saying.
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And none of the media will even clear the headlines are.
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Steve King says he isn't a white supremacist, but he stands by his quote that white supremacists
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are good when he's got a public statement out for the last day and a statement the day
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before that saying it's not true.
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I have experienced the New York Times.
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They are a ship of devils.
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So you can kind of see there at the end that a lot of the energy that's driving this is
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probably about Alex's own personal beef with the New York Times.
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No, no.
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But I think it's kind of interesting.
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I admit that I haven't listened to every episode of his show in the present day as I do whenever
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I go back to the past.
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But I don't remember him talking that much about Steve King in the past.
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Oh, I wonder why.
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It surprises me not to hear him defend Steve King, but that it surprises me to hear it.
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If that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I see what you did.
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It kind of like, oh, I haven't heard you talk much about that guy.
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That's what's surprising.
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Yeah.
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I would have expected him to always be talking about it.
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Of course you defend Steve King.
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That's obvious.
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But that you do it publicly is a bad move for you.
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Not even the public part.
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It's that it's not so common in my memory that it strikes a novel chord.
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No, because this is the first time Steve King has said anything that would associate him
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with the white nationalist movement.
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But that's only because the New York Times is taking the context out of this quote and
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putting him in their box.
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He's never been a white supremacist or white nationalist.
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That's why Alex didn't need to talk about him, because he's never been attacked for
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being a white nationalist or white supremacist before, because Dan, of course, he has never
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said anything.
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No, he hasn't.
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Because Alex is going to make that point super clear in this next clip.
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But here's the issue.
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Then the bolster at the New York Times gives a history of his white supremacy, attitude,
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supremacist.
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And when you read the quotes, it's he talks about illegal aliens having double the crime
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rate.
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OK.
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Oh.
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He says we should be proud of the accomplishments of Western civilization.
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Absolutely.
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Are the Chinese proud of themselves?
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Are the Japanese proud of themselves?
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Not the same thing.
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It's just it's just a Rosetta Stone into everything.
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How they lie, how they manipulate.
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And how the weak need chicken neck Republicans desperate.
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To curry favor with the left and race based leftist constituents.
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Threw him overboard.
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So he's mad.
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Alex is pretty mad about this.
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So I want to address one thing really quick GOP by taking Steve King off of these committees.
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That's not turning on Steve King because they disagree with his positions or anything like
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that.
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The only reason they've stripped him of his committee seats is because Randy Feenstra,
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the chairman of the Iowa State Senate Ways and Means Committee, had just announced his
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candidacy to run against King in the 2020 primary.
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If they didn't have a very viable replacement waiting in the wings, they would still be
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dragging their feet and pretending he was just outspoken like they have for years.
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Oh, come on.
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Because they have a primary challenger who looks like he can go the distance.
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The GOP is finally taking a stance against white supremacist Dan.
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That is why they have gotten rid of 98 percent of their constituencies.
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There's a second reason, too, and that is because for years, Steve King served as like
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sort of a extremist in terms of immigration policy and that sort of thing.
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And so politicians who wanted to curry favor with that side of the Republican Party could
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associate themselves with him in a way that I have seen a couple of reporters describe
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as like he was a kingmaker of like right wing immigration stuff.
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But now he isn't that anymore.
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Trump is.
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So he doesn't even serve that function for the right wing anymore.
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So he's as useless as he can be and he's just a liability.
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That's a good point.
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Yeah.
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They're going to be together, the primary candidate that can unseat him successfully
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without the baggage.
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Yeah.
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And the fact that he doesn't serve what role he used to serve, make him useless.
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So of course, they're going to throw him away now.
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It has nothing to do with his white supremacy.
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Nope.
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The comments that he's making.
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The GOP has taken a stand.
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It has nothing to do with this article even.
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They would have just ignored this as they have for years.
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So Steve King has always been on some bullshit.
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But this current example that he's going through right now is nothing new.
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Some questioning why white supremacy is considered a bad thing, then claiming that the New York
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Times made up the quote.
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That also isn't a new trick for him to pull.
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Back in November 2018, the Weekly Standard reported that while speaking with potential
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voters at a restaurant at a campaign stop, Steve King compared immigrants to dirt.
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He was talking about how some local jalapenos were grown in Mexican dirt, to which the conversation
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turned from literal dirt to how there's metaphorically a lot of dirt on the way to America from Mexico.
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After the article came out, Steve King denied ever having said such a thing, accused the
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Weekly Standard, a notoriously conservative outlet, of lying about what he said, and demanded
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that they prove that he said it, saying, quote, just release the full tape.
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Leftist lies exist without original sources because they are false and manufactured accusations.
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So they did.
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They released the tape and it said exactly what they had claimed and showed King clearly
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calling immigrants and asylum seekers dirt.
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So when he tries to play this game, the same gambit again with the New York Times, I don't
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feel like I have much interest in giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Is it possible that Steve King is such an out of touch bigot and white supremacist that
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he doesn't realize how overt the things he says are until someone else reports on his
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comments?
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Yes.
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That might be the case.
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I don't care because the evidence that Steve King is a real fucked up racist asshole go
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far deeper than not liking illegal immigration and being quote unquote proud of the West,
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as Alex is asserting.
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I had a weird conversation with Steve King one time.
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You mean the comic who's now writer for SNL?
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No.
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He has a...
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Steve Castillo?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no.
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He was trying to explain to me that it's the hard ER that's the issue.
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And so that's why he can throw around the N word all the time.
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And he's not a racist.
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You know how those conversations go?
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I've heard those.
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Yeah.
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I've heard a lot of those in comedy over the years.
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That's why white people, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Steve King served on the Iowa State Senate from 1996 to 2002, then made the jump to the
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US House of Representatives in 2003, where he has been ever since.
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Over that span of time, Representative King has said some real intensely stupid and bigoted
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things.
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And here are some of them.
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Oh, also, did you know that until at least 2016, Steve King had a Confederate flag on
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his office desk?
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Let me remind you that he's a representative for Iowa, which was in the Union during the
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Civil War.
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That is absolutely not a reflection of Southern pride or whatever the fuck that people like
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to say.
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That's a message.
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King would go on to remove the flag from his desk after Scott Michael Green murdered two
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Iowa police officers in an ambush-style killing in 2017.
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Footage was found of Green being asked by other police officers to leave the Urbandale
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High School football game he was attending after he started waving a Confederate flag
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around a group of black students.
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Oh, that's, oh, come on.
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Come on.
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Oh, come on.
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Interestingly, after Dylann Roof murdered nine churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina
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because of his racist ideology and everybody started talking about how it's fucked up that
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Confederate flags are flown at state houses, King gave a speech in support of the Confederate
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flag calling it a symbol of heroism for the South and saying, quote, I regret deeply that
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we're watching this country be divided again over a symbol.
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Again, he represents Iowa.
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We're divided over a symbol.
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The first time we were divided over a different, we were saying it wasn't a symbol.
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No, different thing.
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I think it's still the same thing that we're kind of divided about right now.
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They're just pretending it's a symbol.
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Yeah.
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And again, Iowa.
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Not like it would be better if he was from the South, like one of the actual Confederate
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states.
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At least it would make more sense.
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It would, the argument of Southern pride and that sort of thing would make way more sense
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than to be doing this as the representative for a union state.
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I don't know though.
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Anyway, in September, 2016, he went on a little jag condemning black people having abortions
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because they listened to people in the congressional black caucus saying, quote, they chose to
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have a congressional black caucus.
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They chose to have an abortion.
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I would give you even money that a vast majority of mothers who say they can't afford an abortion
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have an iPhone, which costs more.
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I mean, that's a cool comment.
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Oh man, Hey, how about a welfare Queens, Dan, how about them welfare Queens?
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I bet, I bet they're all different races.
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I bet they're not a dog whistling term at all.
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It does feel a little bit subtle there.
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We're easing our way into this, although I guess the Confederate flag on the desk as
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a representative of Iowa is pretty harsh right out of the gate.
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That does that, that's a, that's a literal red flag.
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Yeah.
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Then of course there was the time in 2018 when he went to Austria to meet with members
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of Austria's freedom party, a political party that was founded by Anton Reitholler, a literal
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member of the Nazi SS.
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When asked about it, he very presently said of the group, quote, if they were in America
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pushing the platform they push, they would be Republicans.
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No argument.
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Uh, yeah, yeah.
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You're dead on.
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Yeah.
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That's that, that doesn't mean what you think it means, Steve King.
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Or maybe it does.
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It probably does.
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Of course.
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This was after he'd endorsed Faith Goldie's campaign for the mayorship of Toronto after
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she had appeared on a podcast run by the Daily Stormer and repeated the 14 words of white
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supremacy.
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It should surprise no one that he supported Faith Goldie as King himself tweeted a paraphrasing
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of the 14 words saying, quote, we can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.
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That tweet, by the way, was retweeted by David Duke, who in all caps said, thank God for
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Steve King, hashtag truth rising.
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This guy has never been a white supremacist.
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No, no, no, no.
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This is, this whole New York Times interview is a first, which I assume is why the GOP
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is reacting so out of control right now, because he's never been a white supremacist before.
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In a July 2016 appearance on MSNBC right around the Republican National Convention time, Steve
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King extolled the virtues of white people saying, quote, I'd ask you to go back through
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history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories
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of people that you're talking about?
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Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?
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He was later called on it and gave a whoops kind of apology saying that he'd meant Western
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civilization instead of white people, which is really just a perfect example of giving
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up the game.
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You're kind of just telling people what your dog whistles are at that point.
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That is the worst, oh no, when I said white.
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I meant to speak in code, I accidentally said what I meant, sorry, sorry.
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I meant to say Western, which means white, but I instead said white when I meant to say,
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you know, what an asshole.
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In July 2013, he did an interview with Newsmax where he said of immigrants, quote, for every
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young undocumented immigrant who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130
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pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds
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of marijuana across the desert.
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Cool, bro.
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Steve King won his first election in 2002 by whipping up nativist energy with his proposed
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bill to make English the official language of Iowa, which again is, why?
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I just, that would be my response.
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Why?
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I don't know why that's an important issue unless you're just trying to wedge people
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a little bit and drum up insecurities and fears about the other.
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It was weird when he floated that bill to make the Iowa City official sister city, Berlin,
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but only in 1939.
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Very strange proposal.
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It was a strange proposal.
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Popular with a certain sub-section.
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Doesn't want to be sister cities with Berlin now.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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More like 1939.
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Full of globalists.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In 2006, he publicly declared that every day 12 Americans are killed by, quote, murderous
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illegal aliens and 13 more are killed by, quote, drunk driving illegals.
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He was just making up statistics, but the rhetoric stuck and you can hear the same talking
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point repeated all through conservative propaganda media.
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I've definitely heard this exact line come out of Alex's mouth at least a dozen times.
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In November 2009, he skipped his son Mick's wedding to cast a pointless vote against the
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Affordable Care Act.
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That one might be less a point about his racism, more just a point about him being a piece
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of shit.
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I don't know.
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Hey, hey, families are tough, man.
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Yeah.
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I get it.
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In June 2018, he told Breitbart that he didn't want Muslims working in meat factories saying,
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quote, the rationale is that if infidels are eating this pork, the Muslims are not eating
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it.
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So as long as they're preparing this pork for infidels, they help send them to hell
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and must make Allah happy.
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I don't want people doing my doing that with my pork that won't eat it, let alone hope
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they go to hell for eating pork chops.
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Convoluted as fuck.
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I don't understand that reasoning at all.
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I think what he's trying to express is he's worried that Muslims will taint the pork because
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they know that other Muslims aren't eating it or something like that.
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I think that's what he's trying to express.
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Right.
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That would be the logical thing.
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Because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
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If you're just saying like they're working there and they won't eat it, so fucking what?
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I think he's couching it in terms of like I'm being culturally sensitive to them.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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He's saying, you know, so as long as they're preparing this pork for infidels, it helps
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send them to hell and must make Allah happy.
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Infidels are sent to hell.
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Yeah, and it must make Allah happy, which is implying that you're going to taint the
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meat somehow.
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So even if you're not tating the meat, even if his scary Muslims aren't tating the meat,
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what he's saying is that Muslims are joyfully preparing meat for white folk in order to
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ensure that by their religious code, white people go to hell.
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I don't see a problem with that part.
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If that were what he's talking about, like the idea that they're doing a great job because
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they know when people eat it, their enemies will go to hell, then you get great pork,
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I guess.
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I want the best pork to send my enemies to hell.
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It heavily implies that he thinks that they're going to taint the meat.
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Yeah, of course.
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That's a real pretty fucked up sort of way to look at things.
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So that same month in June 2018, King retweeted a vowed European neo-Nazi Mark Collette's
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tweet when he posted a Breitbart article and editorialized that, quote, 65% of Italians
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under the age of 35 now oppose mass immigration.
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Europe is waking up.
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King retweeted that saying, quote, Europe is waking up.
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Will America in time?
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I hate to see our country divided like this, Dan, over a symbol.
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I hate to see our country divided.
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Hate to see it.
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That's awful.
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In 2004, when the abuses of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison were revealed, he said that
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they amounted to basically just hazing.
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Oh, OK.
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So he and Alex are on the same page on that one.
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Well, hey, what are you going to do?
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Hey, you know how-
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I say that facetiously.
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Alex was very against the torture.
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That is-
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At the time.
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At the time.
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At the time.
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Yeah.
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Good point.
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Through the years, King's been a supporter of all the far right foreign politicians that
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Alex also loves.
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We've seen Steve King strongly support Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and Viktor Orban.
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And what do you know?
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When he was being interviewed by those Austrian Nazi descendants I mentioned, he advocated
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the position that Soros was behind the great replacement, the theory of white Westerners
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being replaced culturally and demographically by immigrants.
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So this guy's-
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Hey.
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I mean, he's a piece of shit, and he has been for his entire career.
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That's kind of the point.
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But Steve King has not existed in a bubble.
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His story is an interesting story that is very demonstrative of the deterioration of
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the conservative body politic in this country.
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And in order to understand a little more about how that's the case, it's important to follow
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the money.
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If you look at the information that's public about Steve King and who's donating to him,
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you see an interesting picture.
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The first thing that jumps out to you is that in the 2017-2018 cycle, the US Navy tied for
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first place among his donors with $10,800 in donations from individuals being sent his
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way from within the Navy, which does not make me feel great.
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No, no, no.
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That's good.
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It doesn't make me feel great.
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No, that's good.
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He also got $10,000 from the John Bolton political action committee, which seems suspicious,
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but I don't know what to make of also.
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But if you look at his past fundraising, you also see a very interesting trend, namely
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that his numbers are pretty normal for most years, then take a massive spike in the 2012
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election.
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That's from 1.02 million raised in the 2010 cycle to 3.8 million just two years later.
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A lot of that money, over 250,000 of it came from an organization called Club for Growth,
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which sounds like a really fun, nice name for an organization.
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In reality, the group is a far right fundraising outfit whose activities went into overdrive
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in 2012 as they funneled at least $10 million to then governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker,
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both to oppose his recall vote and support his initiative to strip collective bargaining
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protections and cripple unions.
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You misunderstand their name.
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Their name, you think it means a collection of people who are pro-growth.
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What it is is a literal cudgel that is for the growth of the white nationalist system.
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Or to beat back growth.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That sort of thing.
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Peter Thiel is their biggest donor.
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Not so...
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Hey.
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That might be of interest.
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Hey.
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What's not so of interest is in 2012, they were the recipient of tons of money from Koch
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network funds like Freedom Partners.
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The NRA gave Steve King $11,300 and the Family Research Council and Koch Industries chipped
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in $10,000 each, along with tons of other suspiciously named political action committees
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that clearly aren't fronts.
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Whites for white growth was actually very on the nose one.
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There's a huge push in the 2012 election to retain what gains had been made in the previous
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four years by the weirdo Tea Party wing of the Republican Party, and to not succumb to
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dwindling support and enthusiasm that definitely was happening at that point.
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Part of this was a massive cash infusion in the coffers of various people who were carrying
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the banner of what the people funding the Tea Party were into, and Steve King was absolutely
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one of the main figures.
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Based on that swelling of his money, it's really hard to think that that's not the case.
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The Tea Party was about small government, Dan.
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It had no reaction to a black president.
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I can't see why Steve King would be...
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That's just a coincidence.
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But this is the thing.
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You see that exact same pattern when you look into the money going into other Tea Party
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candidates.
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Louie Gohmert is a bit of an exception because he was a Republican running in Texas, so his
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race was pretty much a sure thing.
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But Michelle Bachmann is another great case.
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She raised just under $3.5 million in the 2008 election.
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Then that number skyrocketed to $13.5 in 2010 and $15 million in 2012.
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Who's Michelle Bachmann's top donor throughout her career?
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You guessed it, the Club for Growth.
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Who's Ted Cruz's all-time top donor?
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Club for Growth.
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Who's Rand Paul's career-spanning top donor?
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The Club for Growth, with over $100,000 of the total he's received from them coming in
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the 2012 cycle.
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There is a concerted effort on the part of very rich conservative interests to shift
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the politics of the right to a more extreme version of conservatism in the 2012 election
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cycle and before, but that was crunch time.
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That's not news.
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It's not even news to say that Steve King was a big part of that.
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But it's important for our purposes because it demonstrates the sort of thing that they
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were interested in being part of that shift.
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The fact that an outright white supremacist was among their top guys should tell you everything
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that you need to know about what they wanted the Overton window to move towards at that
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time.
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Yeah.
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When you said the, what was it?
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What was the word you used?
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I suppose it wasn't disintegration.
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It was descendant or descendants into a-
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Deterioration?
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Deterioration.
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That was right.
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I would view that more as the apotheosis of what the Republican Party has wanted to be.
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So I agree with you, but I think we're talking about the same thing, just looking at it from
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different angles.
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Yeah.
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Liz Mayer, a former Republican National Committee spokesperson, described what Steve King has
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done for the Republican Party perfectly, quote, very, very few grassroots conservatives or
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elected Republicans actually agree with him on immigration policy.
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However, he enables elected Republicans who are more restrictionist or otherwise hardline
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to strike a pose that reads as moderate.
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That's the Kingmaker piece of this.
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He is the person who people are able to be around and be like, well, I'm not Steve King.
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He exists as that.
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Now Donald Trump is that.
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Right.
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You don't have to.
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Anyway.
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He was the bulwark in the same way that Alex did the interview with David Duke ostensibly
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trying to distance himself from white nationalists.
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Steve King was that guy where it's like, this guy says all the stuff that I want to stay,
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but because I can distance myself from him, I can do all the stuff that results in the
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things that he wants to be done without ever being associated.
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Really.
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Well, if you're, if you're pretty far right, hard, right.
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And you have a guy who's an outright fascist, white supremacist creep, you look like you're
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pretty close to the middle in comparison.
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And that's an important person to have around.
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Absolutely.
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Quite frankly.
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No.
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So that explains, I think in some ways why people would be willing to spend so much money
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keeping him around, despite his horrible opinions or not, because entirely because of it.
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So that's a role that he served.
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And I think almost everybody who understood politics to an extent knew that that's the
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role he served and why Republicans would never take target at him.
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And now we've come to a point where he's no longer needed.
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He's like a appendix.
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He's a vestigial organ of the bigotry machine that needed to be put in place.
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The machine is in place now.
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You don't need that appendix.
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Right.
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So he's getting removed.
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And that's that.
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So all this is to say that Alex is full of shit.
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Whatever his nonsense about Steve King being above board about stuff, nonsense.
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I think we've dispensed with that idea.
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Proof of the liberal media lying, Dan.
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I don't think anyone who listens to our show needed any of that.
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I think they all knew that this guy is a giant dick.
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But I just wanted to I wanted to get into that because we haven't talked about him really.
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And I think that some of that is pretty important stuff.
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Well, and it's important, again, to note that in the twenty eighteen election, all of his
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white supremacist views were on wide like totally could see them super clear.
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And he still won reelection by it was it was pretty close.
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It was close.
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It was closer than it should have been.
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But it was still like six points or whatever it was.
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But to be fair, there's still a chance like he was still needed.
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His challenger was a Democrat.
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So these moneyed Republicans are still going to defend him until there's another option.
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Of course.
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So we have that other option.
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Fare thee well, Steve King, you will be out of office in twenty twenty.
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Yep, you'll lose that primary.
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So now at this point, Alex is defending Steve King and he says something in this next clip
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that I think is a brutal slip of the tongue.
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Not like saying something racist, but he just says N word, N word, N word, N word, N word,
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N word.
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That wouldn't be a slip of the tongue for Alex.
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That's no problem with Steve King.
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No, no, no.
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He says something here that just makes me think, oh, hmm, we've got to oh, my gosh.
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Oh, my gosh.
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You've got brown skin.
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Can I bow down to you when you call me subhuman?
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But then the same criminal organization, I mean, it's a criminal organization, takes
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clearly we're saying white supremacists, you know, Nazis, all this stuff, you know, they're
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comparing it to Western civilization.
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That's the quote.
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And the New York Times removes that out and just says, you know, has King up there saying
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that and it's out of context when we all know his talking points.
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So it's incredible, dumb, effing white people making up the Internet, marking up the Internet
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with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants.
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I mean, she is a vicious, anti-white piranha.
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So I think your eyes perked up at exactly the point that I was talking about.
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We all know his talking points.
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That's a weird thing for Alex to say.
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I think it's a real bad slip up because that implies that ideas that King espouses are
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talking points.
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And the fact that Alex seems to be very familiar with them to the point of claiming to know
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what he meant to say in this interview and the fact that King's rhetoric matches up with
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Alex really well, seems to imply that they might be getting talking points from a similar
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source.
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I don't know.
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It seems a very, very strange phrasing for Alex.
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You're so unfair, Dan.
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If there's one thing I know in all of our episodes together, if there's one thing I
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know, it's that you've always been so unfair to white supremacists.
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I may be a little unfair in this point.
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He might just be talking, but it's a weird thing.
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It's a weird thing for him to say.
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Oh, no, I was being super facetious.
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I understand that you were.
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You were not being unfair.
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I could see an argument that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but at the same
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time, it's a very strange thing for Alex to say.
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We all know his talking points.
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Yeah.
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He's known to every Republican and Democrat in Congress, and they've always known him.
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He never says that people who agree with him have talking points.
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That's why it's a big slip.
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That's a fair point.
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He always talks about how all of his weirdo patriots and all of them, they're just on
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the same page naturally.
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Him and Trump agree about everything, but it's not because they coordinate.
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It's because they just know the truth, and they're right about everything.
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For him to be saying something about Steve King that implies that he has talking points,
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it seems like a little bit of a slip.
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That's a really good point, but it also suggests that he knows that Steve King isn't the one
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controlling what Steve King says.
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Yeah.
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That's buried in there.
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Yeah.
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If he has talking points, that means that they're coming from somewhere.
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He didn't create these talking points.
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Exactly.
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It does imply that.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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In this next clip, Alex just talks more about Steve King and is dumb.
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I'm going to go through every angle of it, and it's bigger than Steve King.
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That's true.
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It's the anatomy of how the New York Times deceives, how they twist, and then once they
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put out one big lie and define someone as something, they then attach the false thing
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to real things they've said, thus defining, saying that illegal aliens have double the
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crime rate of the average citizen.
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That's FBI's own numbers.
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That becomes the white supremacist statement.
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And then out of that, they've set the new precedent to have the Republicans grovel in
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fear and throw them under the bus and go virtue signal.
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So what Alex is trying to describe there is basically how he does stuff, like the idea
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of attaching things to people and creating complete perceptions out of people based on
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blurring lines and stuff like that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And look, this idea about immigrants committing two times the crime of citizens and stuff
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like that, that is a white supremacist idea.
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You don't need to latch that on to him, and now we accuse that statistic of being somehow
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white supremacist.
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And the thing that I take such exception to with this bullshit is like-
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Or at least white nationalist, just to be specific.
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Go ahead, sorry.
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Well, that's unfair to a level that is ridiculous.
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The report that came out about the NBC News muzzling of actually calling racist things
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racist-
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That some have described this as racist.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He can't be more overstated how wrong he is in the direction that he's taking it.
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Like the only people who are going out of their way to try and be, quote, fair and shit
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like that are liberal, well, you know, media outlets that just don't want to call racism
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racism because they're afraid it'll offend somebody.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
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And this notion, this thing that he's putting forth, and he said it a couple of times now,
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this immigrants commit twice the crimes, I mean, we just have to dispel with this.
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The Oxford Criminology and Criminal Justice Research Unit did a study on immigration and
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crime in 2017 that reflected a bunch of different studies that have been done, compiled into
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one, they poured over all the data, and here are some excerpts.
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Quote, quantitative research has consistently shown that being foreign born is negatively
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associated with crime overall and is not significantly associated with committing either violent
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or property crime.
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If an undocumented immigrant is arrested for a criminal offense, it tends to be for a misdemeanor.
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Additionally, immigrants who have access to social services are less likely to engage
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in crime than those who live in communities where such access is not available.
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That last part is completely obvious, given that being charged with a crime might jeopardize
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their access to essential services, which is entirely against their interests.
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The study further found that foreign born victims of crimes are much less likely to
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report crimes against them because of fears of being mistreated by the police or being
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deported.
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Some statistics they found for pouring over all the data, between 2005 and 2010, the incarceration
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rate rose 16% among US citizens, but only 7% on foreign born non-citizens.
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They studied Alex's own hometown to see if there was any pattern between newly arriving
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immigrants and crime and found, quote, using Austin City tract level analysis and the city
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police department's crime records from 2004 to 2006, Mansfield found no relationship between
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new immigration and serious property crime rates.
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They posited that new arrivals might have revitalized neighborhoods by causing a bottom
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up growth among Mexican immigrant commercial enterprises in the city.
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They reviewed violent crime statistics in cities with high drug and homicide issues
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like Miami and San Diego and found that immigrants were not the people committing these crimes,
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but in many cases, second generation immigrants were.
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They refined the data analysis and found that places with higher rates of financial security,
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which is to say jobs and access to social services, the crime rate was lower than average
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cities.
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Really?
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Yes.
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I wonder why.
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Because poverty is mitigated by access to social services and employment, those sorts
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of things being around.
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It has no relation to immigrant status.
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What I would find like this would be such an interesting experiment is were the consequences
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for misdemeanors and, you know, like nonviolent crimes equal for white people as they are
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for undocumented immigrants.
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Would we see a massive drop in white people crime?
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Imagine if there was a real threat that you would get deported for shoplifting, you know,
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like just you and I.
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How much lower do you think crime would be if the threat, you know, if that disincentivizing
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aspect were there?
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As far as the deterrent goes, it almost seems like that is more of a deterrent than the
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death penalty.
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I don't have like, you know, access to statistics on that, but it makes intuitive sense.
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It does definitely seem like that.
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Yeah, no, it's a pure thought experiment.
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There's no way to ever kind of account for it, but that's an interesting idea.
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So these studies also looked at Chicago.
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A 2009 study looked at neighborhoods with high poverty rates and low employment.
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And the researcher found that, quote, in areas where there were large populations of recent
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immigrants, the number of homicides decreased.
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Velez attributed this finding to the reinvigoration of neighborhoods when new immigrants arrived.
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Huh.
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Yep.
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There is very good data to suggest that crime goes down when there's an influx of immigrants.
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So when diversity is not even diversity, like when like this has always been the case for
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first generation immigrants has always been like, dude, we're scraping to get by in your
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fucking country.
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We know that it's not our home, but God damn it, we're trying to make it our home.
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And so we're gonna go out of our way to do everything possible to kind of try and fit
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into this.
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So when they talk about the bastardization or like it's awful, all of this diversity
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and we don't have enough white representation, every time the immigrants wind up coming in
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and making a place infinitely better.
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And just even in ways that are statistically trackable.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You can find a hundred studies that get into the minutia of exactly how the idea that immigrants
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commit more crimes than citizens is wrong, but we can leave that here for now.
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The only study that seems to indicate that immigrants commit more crime comes from the
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Crime Prevention Research Center and asserts that quote, undocumented immigrants are at
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least 146% more likely to be convicted of crime than the control subset that was used.
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Who pays?
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It's not about paying necessarily, but I'm gonna throw the data out here because it relies
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on arrest numbers from 1985 to 2017 in Arizona, where we know that Joe Arpaio was busy presiding
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over the most racially predatory police department in recent memory in Arizona's most populous
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city.
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I'm not sure how much that skews the data, but I'm sure it does.
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I'm sure it at least is a factor in it, so I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't accept
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that study.
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Well, I mean, if they just arrested Arpaio for all the crimes he committed, then that
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study would be reversed by a million percent.
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It would definitely make it down.
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Yeah, for all of the arrests that undocumented immigrants had in Arizona, if you just arrested
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Joe Arpaio each time he committed a crime, it would reverse by a margin of two to one.
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Perhaps.
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All this is just to say that claiming that immigrants have double the crime rate in the
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United States is an expression of white supremacy.
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It's a talking point of the people out there who seek to spread fear of shifting demographics
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and baseless paranoia about white genocide.
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Nice use of italics.
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Thanks.
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Well, that's that's really what's going on there, I believe.
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Anyway, it should come as no surprise, especially based on all that, that we you know, you could
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start to you start to put the pieces together, you understand, oh, he's lying about immigrants
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committing more crimes and stuff like that.
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It should surprise nobody that Alex immediately decides to start season two of caravan paranoia.
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Another big caravan is on its way.
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Now you know, I know how to translate their lies.
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This is hundreds of hundreds of ABC News, News Trust, AP, hundreds of Hondurans shut
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off towards United States and New Caravan.
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And so when you go look up the actual photos in those countries, it's thousands, just like
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they said that the tens of thousands that ripped down the gates in Mexico and all the
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rest of it were were hundreds.
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And they'll find a little corner group of a couple of women, always a close shot of
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a woman with a child and say, oh, this is all there is.
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This is a non-existent threat.
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You pull back the camera and it's 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 all U.N. funded.
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A horde.
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So that's how this works.
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That's how the globalists get this job done.
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They know there's free welfare, everything else up here.
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Yeah.
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So they're on the way.
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But they're smart.
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They get the paycheck on average and get the welfare.
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So that's that's that's that's the trick that the illegal aliens engage in.
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Cool.
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You're a fucking piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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I don't really feel the need to respond to that.
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That's just hey, there's that.
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That's the that.
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Yeah.
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Hey, there's Alex.
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I'm going to say that.
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What surprises me more than anything else is that he didn't double down on that.
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Like, yeah, I don't get why it's wrong to say you're a white nationalist.
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I don't get why it's wrong to say, well, he does a little bit.
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But he's just talking about the nationalist part, you know, because that's his that's
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the way he deflects that sort of stuff.
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It's easier for him than to, like, fully own that space.
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Yeah.
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Then just to say all they're talking.
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It's the same confusion that Coach Dave did.
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But Alex is being sort of intentionally obtuse about the idea that white nationalist is just
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white and nationalist, not a compound noun.
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Like with Coach Dave, you're like, oh, man, you might be too dumb to know that.
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With Alex, it's like you.
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You fuck.
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You're deflecting.
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You fucking know.
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Yeah.
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So there's news that the caravan's coming back.
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It's coming again.
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And it's big.
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Oh, those caravans.
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It's bigger than ever.
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Are we angry at Hondurans?
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Do they?
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Alex is.
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Alex.
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Alex.
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I challenge you.
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If you're a any primer, tell me where Honduras is.
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I know the capital is Tagul Jigalpa.
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You love capitals.
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I do.
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You love funnily named.
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Yeah.
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That's a fun one.
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Fun named.
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Burkina Faso's capital is Ouagadougou.
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I know.
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That's a good one.
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You told me.
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Madagascar.
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What's that?
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Antananarivo.
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Oh, yeah.
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They're a city state, city state, civilization six.
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Oh, but wait.
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Yeah.
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But not it.
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Not.
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I've held many.
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That expansion pack that I can't get on the switch.
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Oh, so many trade routes I've had between.
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Not important.
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Okay.
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So there's news that this is happening and then there's other news.
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And that is what the leftists are doing about it.
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Oh, those leftists.
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And a lot of the leftists are now being hired to be drug mules.
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Yes, it's so wonderful.
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All because they went and saw a machete funded by the federal government that turned out.
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Machete.
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Thank you very much.
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And they're wearing a cowboy hat, shooting Hispanic pregnant women in the stomach.
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And then like little birds imprinting, the leftists watch all that and believe it.
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And then they go to the border and help smuggle people in and the coyotes say, thank you.
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That makes no sense.
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So leftists have watched Machete.
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Machete.
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Whatever.
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Directed by Robert Rodriguez.
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We'll get back into him in a second.
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Okay.
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They go see Machete.
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Thank you very much.
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And then they see Don Johnson being depicted as a white racist and they realize they like,
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I'm going to be hired as a drug smuggler for the cartels.
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Yeah, that sounds, that sounds right.
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Cool, man.
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Uh, cool.
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Uh, so I told you a second ago that we'd get into Robert Rodriguez and what do you know?
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Here it is.
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Of course.
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And Robert Rodriguez is a, he fetched the part, the flaming anti-white, super racist.
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Some people that know him just has cussing fits at what he was raised by white people
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that took care of him and funded him and all that and dates white women.
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But just Nazi ideology is fun.
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Whoa.
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What?
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All right.
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Weird way to end that sentence.
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Ah, Robert Rodriguez hates white people, but he was raised by white bill.
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They gave him money and he dates white women.
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Do you know, do you know what's really important?
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He does not say Danny Trejo at all.
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No.
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Do you know why?
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Cause Danny Trejo is fucking awesome.
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Danny Trejo is the coolest.
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I mean after all of his, you know, but he's the fucking coolest.
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He owns, he, did you know that he owns a fucking donut shop?
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I didn't know that.
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And it's amazing.
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It's amazing.
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When I was in LA, he made, he had a, it was incredible.
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There's great donuts.
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There was some bacon on it.
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It was fucking fantastic.
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Danny Trejo's donuts.
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Trying to come up with a way to make a pun out of donut tray holes.
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I'm going to, I think you did it.
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I think I did, but I'm not satisfied with it.
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I think you got it.
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I think you nailed it.
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But it didn't feel good.
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You could have just said it in a sentence and it would have been great.
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So anyway, I think Alex's complaints about Robert Rodriguez border on a little bit racist
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himself.
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No.
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I don't know.
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I think the part, I think the part about him taking issue with Robert Rodriguez dating
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white women is kind of like that being in his list of complaints.
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It strikes the ear as strange.
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Just the fact that you brought up that he was raised by white people suggests that you
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think he's a race traitor.
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Or that he owes them, he owes the race something.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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You were raised by us.
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That means that you have to be one of us.
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We would have accepted you.
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So Alex is manifesting a lot of these sort of white protectionist ideas, whether it's
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insulting Robert Rodriguez or complaining that leftists are working for these drug cartels
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as mules because they saw Machete or spouting these bullshit things about like crime statistics
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among immigrants.
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So you got that and so that after he gets a little bit of that out of his system, manifesting
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these white identity ideas, he gets right back to defending Steve King.
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Of course.
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So King puts a statement out.
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He says, clearly I didn't say that I have prepared remarks about how Western civilization
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being proud of it is not white supremacy.
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It kind of is though.
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And that we shouldn't be proud of it.
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You kind of should.
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The New York Times is a criminal group.
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They've done this to me and everyone else.
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They are a lie factory.
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They remove the word there out of the quote.
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Now they're removing it and cutting it even down more to one word and two words.
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Peter King shed quotes around it.
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White supremacist, quotes around it, white nationalist.
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So now they're even cutting it down to two words, not wanting you to have the context
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of anything that is pure evil.
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But the Republican leadership, they want to virtue signal.
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Love the virtue signaling today.
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Dude, Steve King even voted for everybody to say Steve King shouldn't say that shit.
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Well, the House of Representatives is, the GOP House of Representatives is garbage because
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Steve King was like, yeah, I agree with you.
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We should definitely tell me not to say that shit.
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Yeah, and in his speech around that, he made his response and look, let's just be clear
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about this.
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The quote in the New York Times wasn't just one or two words in quotes and then just fabricating
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a quote around it.
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That's absolutely not the case.
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And even Steve King admits to that here in a second.
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Alex is just making that shit up.
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So Steve King got up to the podium on the House floor and swore that he wasn't a racist
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and made sure everyone knows that there's no tape of him saying these things that the
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New York Times is claiming.
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His case in general is very unconvincing as he says, quote, so I'm going to tell you that
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the words are likely what I said, but I want to, but I want to read it to you the way I
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believe I said it.
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And that's this white supremacist, white nationalist, Western civilization.
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How did that language become offensive?
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First of all, he keeps saying, this is what I believe I said.
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But his track record on these things is pretty shitty.
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And he's not offering anything that is in any way any more convincing than what the
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New York Times has offered.
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Secondly, just adding Western civilization in the middle of the quote in no way makes
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it better.
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He's still saying exactly the same thing as the original quote.
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I was going to say, explain to me how that changes things.
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It doesn't.
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He's just now making it clear that he believes that Western civilization is analogous to
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white nationalism and white supremacy.
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It's kind of, his correction is kind of making it worse.
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You're saying the quiet part loud.
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In the era of shitty apologies, this one is particularly wild.
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He even says, quote, it's 13 words ironically that caused this.
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If you are, if you aren't big into Nazi shit, why is 13 words ironic?
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In what sense is 13 words an ironic number unless it's because the topic at hand was
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white supremacy and that's just one word shy of the 14.
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In his apology, even on the house floor, he's signaling to white supremacists that he meant
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exactly what he said and he isn't sorry about it at all.
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I think everybody would like white supremacist coding a lot more if it was called the Baker's
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dozen words instead of the 14 words.
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It's only 12 though.
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The Baker's dozen is 13.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But it's 14 words.
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I know.
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But God damn it.
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Do you need to make a Baker's...
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They could edit it down.
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A super ambitious Baker doesn't because you got to add one more in there for 14.
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All I'm saying is that the 14 words could be edited down.
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You could get rid of one of those.
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I don't know if you could.
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You could rewrite it.
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I don't want to pitch ourselves as editors for the line editing white supremacist mottos.
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I hate white supremacists, but I love really well written sentences.
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I love it more than anything else.
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So my point is like just to put a fine button on it that even in his apology, he's making
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clear that what he's saying is exactly whatever one's accusing him of saying and it could
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not be more clear.
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So in this next clip, Alex defends Steve King by kind of using white supremacy to defend
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him, which is weird.
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And here's where they do the alchemy.
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Watch this closely.
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He didn't say white supremacy is a good thing and he endorses it.
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He said it's not the same as Western culture and being proud of it.
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But then they quote real things he said.
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Now that they've said this is white supremacy and now they start teaching you illegal aliens
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are breaking the law to get here.
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They have double the crime rate of the average citizen, which they don't.
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Now you're oh, that's white supremacy, too, which is how they do it.
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See how they do it.
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See how he does it.
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I that's exactly what he's doing.
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He's just exactly exactly.
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It's nonsense.
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It's alchemy.
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It's alchemy.
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Here's here's how they do it.
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They take the words that he said and then they print them and you go, oh, see what they
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did?
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Very, very sneaky, these New York Times people.
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They spun lead into gold, Dan.
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That's some wild stuff.
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I don't know what else to say about that other than no, that's very dumb.
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I'm a little bit disappointed he didn't use the word transmutation.
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I feel like you got it.
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If you're going to bring up alchemy, you got to transmute.
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You got to transmute.
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I watched Full Metal Alchemist.
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We're a ways into this episode now and we haven't heard anything about the Chinese,
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which is if we're in twenty eighteen, you better believe Alex is going to complain about
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the Chinese.
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We're in twenty nineteen.
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Oh yeah.
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So right in June on your check.
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Shit.
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So in this next clip, Alex finally gets around to complaining about something that the Chinese
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are not doing because the Chinese are totally ethnocentric, completely maximum racist in
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the nation itself compared to anybody else on the planet.
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And they know that Western civilization threatens their hegemony and their funding through Hollywood
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on record.
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All these movies were whites existing as bad.
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Oh, we're doing the Hollywood thing again.
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Where there's race war in America and divisions between men and women and how you teach your
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kid how to be gay or be transgendered.
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They execute you for that in China.
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But China owns six of the eight big production houses and they demand that as a talking point
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on record.
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On record.
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It's on your record.
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It's not on like the real world.
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It's not real.
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It's not like real.
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It's on your record.
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China doesn't own six of the eight movie houses and they're not trying to force everyone to
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be gay.
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Which ones?
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Which ones do they own?
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So, I mean, we went over this like a year and a half ago when he was starting this talking
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point.
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He's never named.
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I want to know.
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Do they own Universal?
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Miramax.
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Dan, is Disney still American?
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No, that's Chicom to the top, way up to the top.
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So in case, you know, I think in our episode, one of the things that I'm really trying to
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do is highlight how Alex Jones defending Steve King is really him defending himself because
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the two of them are the same.
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They're very similar in terms of what they believe, what they stand for in the same way
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that Steve King existed in the world of politics to be the guy that you can look less extreme
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next to.
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Alex Jones in the world of media existed in the exact same capacity.
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So it's interesting when Alex Jones actually does all my work for me and compares himself
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to Steve King.
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Representative Steve King, a good, decent, honorable Christian man.
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Very wholesome.
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I've watched his speech as many times.
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I've read his writings just right in line with mine.
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Just good, wholesome Americana, just basic civics that have been taught up until the
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last 30 years.
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Oh, the last 30 years you said?
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God, I love it.
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How much more, like how, like civics, which were taught up until they gave them, what
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happened?
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Oh, some people were given the right to vote that they didn't previously had.
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Nah, come on.
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I mean, like, if you look at this, he probably meant a little further back than 30, but we
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know what he's talking about.
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Oh, we know what that's code for.
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Oh, you don't need to look at the, like, this is where it becomes almost absurd that we're
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doing this show.
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Yeah.
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When Alex says shit like that on his show, it's just like, I love Steve King.
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I think he's a great man.
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He's just like me.
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I've read his writings wholesome.
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He's Christian.
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He's a good wholesome man.
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It's just Americana, basic civics.
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It's like, all right, all right, Alex, you, I don't know what the term is about rope and
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the amount necessary to hang yourself, but boy, did you give yourself the correct amount?
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Yeah.
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It's just like, it's, it's wild to me that I even try to lay things out, like information
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when we have shit like that, just like do a five minute episode where you just play
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that, like Alex and Steve King are the same dude.
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This has been knowledge fighting.
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He might as well have gone on to be like, and I don't like that Martin Luther King Jr.
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has a street named after him and you're like, oh yeah.
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Not just one Alex, not just one.
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I got it.
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Um, so then he goes on to give a classic, uh, white supremacist, white nationalist talking
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point.
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No, no.
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You know, if whites were so bad, everyone wouldn't be trying to get into white Christian
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nations.
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Okay.
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That's a very basic, uh, white nationalist talking point.
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The idea of like, how can we be so bad if everyone wants to be here, which kind of just
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serves to, uh, try to rewrite and undo all the history of how did those countries get
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to be so great?
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First of all, there's that.
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But even after we deal like just on an economic monetary level, but, but even before we talk
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about that, you have to unpack his language and he's saying white Christian nations.
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So it's just taken as read and assume for Alex that America is a white Christian nation,
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which is kind of against, uh, if black people didn't want to be here so bad, why did they
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get on those boats in the 17 hundreds Dan?
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Why did they do it?
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Huh?
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They must've wanted to come here in shackles and chains.
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They must've wanted to be thrown off those boats whenever they were caught in illegal
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slave trade and die miserably drowning underneath the fucking seat.
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That must be because they love white Christian nations so much.
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Well that's one part of, that's one piece of it.
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And then even if you flash forward to the modern day, the exploiting of the world's
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resources that we've been able to do over decades and decades and generations that have
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led us to the affluence and the amount of infrastructure we've been able to afford,
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the relative security to the rest of the world, the stability, that sort of thing is built
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on the backs of these other countries that we've pillaged and exploited over the years.
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So this idea that, that like if, if we're so bad, why do people want to come here?
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It's because of the things that we've been able to afford based on adventurism.
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If we're so bad, why is it that all these people from all of the nations wherein we
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stole all of their resources, uh, want to come here?
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Why is it that when we strip mined all of South Africa and destroyed so many fucking
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lives...
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It wasn't just us, but yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, fair enough.
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It was mostly white Christian countries.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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There you go.
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Why is it that they would then want to come to where the resources we stole from them
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are?
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Right.
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And this is demonstrative of why this is a white nationalist talking point and why Alex
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throwing this out so flippantly is just like, come on, man, you gotta, you gotta try better.
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And have you heard that Africans want to take land away from white people?
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What?
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Yeah.
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That's a different episode of Alex's show, but yeah, so, uh, you know, here he just says
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some more, uh, whack shit.
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The globalists know the West has a guilt Christian ethos.
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That's good.
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It keeps us from killing each other and makes us nice, but it's being overused against us
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now to have everybody stand out and have this guilt.
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We're all taught to have this guilt and then minorities are turned into foaming at the
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mouth racist against white people at right as they become the majority.
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It's truly sickening.
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Truly sickening.
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I find that clip truly, truly sickening.
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Um, so yeah, white people are being taught to be guilty and stand down while minorities
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are whipped into a frenzy just as they're taking power.
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Gross.
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Pretty gross.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, there's not much that you need to unpack there even.
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It's just an expression of these, these really messed up, uh, racial ideas that Alex expresses.
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Yeah.
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I don't feel the need to say anything.
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If you listen to that clip and you disagree with what you already know, I think we're
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done.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if you're good or if you hear that clip and you're like, Alex is onto something,
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there's no reason to talk.
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Yeah.
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Goodbye.
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Yeah.
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You can stop listening now.
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You're pretty far gone already.
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Yep.
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Not going to convince you.
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Yep.
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Goodbye.
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So also in much the same way in present day episodes, you don't, you don't get through
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an episode without hearing about a complaint about the Chinese.
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Similarly, you don't get through an episode without hearing praise for someone else.
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France is going to the highest level of martial law under EU dictatorship, but the good news
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is all over the world, nation States are pulling out, particularly Brazil, where they've got
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a guy even more well-spoken than Trump and who comes off as even more authentic.
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We're gonna be playing those clips next hour.
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Yes.
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He doesn't.
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Yes.
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I'm blown away by what's happening in Brazil.
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This is the, this is the real McCoy right here.
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And just like George Washington, he was a Colonel and all the rest of it.
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He's the real McCoy.
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I mean, I don't disagree with most of the things he's saying, except I think they're
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bad.
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You know, like he's the real McCoy.
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Yes.
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Like an authoritarian seizing power and shoring up his power.
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He's more well-spoken than Trump.
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You bet he is.
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Almost everybody is.
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Yeah.
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I suppose, I suppose his direct comparison would be when Trump said you can grab him
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by the pussy and I moved on her like a bitch.
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He would prefer to hear Bolsonaro say I don't want you to get raped because you're not attractive
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enough for me.
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I wouldn't rape you.
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I guess that's what he wished Trump would have said.
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He wished Trump would have said, no, I wouldn't have raped those because they weren't attractive
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enough for me.
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I guess it's locker room talk, Dan.
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I guess it's kind of debatable, which is more better spoken, but yeah.
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So I mean, we already went over this last week about the idea that Alex is really showing
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his cards about really loving authoritarian dictator types and you can see it really manifesting
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in terms of his coverage of Bolsonaro and it's pretty, it's pretty fucked up, but not
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surprising.
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Yeah.
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Not surprising.
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No.
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Alex is really coming out in many ways in terms of his, like this episode is a really
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overt document of his white supremacist leanings, which again, isn't a surprise for us in the
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same way that last week the authoritarian dictator bootlicking tendencies came out really
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to the forefront, which isn't surprising at all.
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And we're just seeing that in the present day, he's becoming that which he's always
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pretended not to be and pretending like it's not against everything he pretends to believe
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in.
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Yeah.
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It's fucked up.
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And, and it's just, it's so important to remember that it, look, this is all white supremacist
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as fuck, but it is also misogynist as fuck.
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True.
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It is all, he is choosing every, every person who has been a fucking credibly and in incredibly
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supported Roy Moore accused of and, and proven to have committed sexual assault in some form
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or another.
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Yeah.
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I think those patterns of behavior sort of run together a little bit, not necessarily
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a one-to-one comparison.
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And you're right.
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That is fair.
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And all of that is, it's always hard to tell exactly what piece of his identity he's more
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defensive about, you know, like the whiteness or the masculinity.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's just there on a day-to-day basis.
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Like if we went over Monday when he's complaining about Gillette and all that stuff, I think
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that we would have much more of a critique based on his like horrible chauvinist nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Whereas this episode has so much more race and his whiteness being defended.
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So that just is more prevalent in the conversation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, it's both.
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Yep.
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Just, just, just to really hammer it home.
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It's white men that he thinks that is, that is a thing that is part of that white nationalist
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supremacy is absolutely values.
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Absolutely.
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Steve King also thinks women should be subjugated.
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Sure.
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Absolutely.
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Alex thinks women are second class citizens.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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These guys are,
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these are the proud boys, they have like their, their, uh, their call to arms or whatever is
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that they believe that, uh, they won't apologize for their chauvinism and living in a world
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that men created and stuff.
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So yeah, of course.
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I mean, that is, yeah, that's, that's part and parcel of all of these, these dudes that
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we look at.
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And even some women like Katie Hopkins, yeah, no, I don't doubt it.
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Um, so Alex's argument about immigration and that sort of thing seems to have a sort of,
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you know, there is the idea that a sovereign nation can just not let people in.
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That seems to be kind of the big piece of what he, he doesn't want to open borders.
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He wants people to be able to decide, no, you do not come in.
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Sure.
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Unfortunately, because he's a shithead, he undercuts his entire argument because he wants
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to defend Michael Savage about something.
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Well, that's the real kicker is you can have radical Islamic preachers preaching, murder
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the police, blow things up and they're protected.
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But then Michael Savage can't fly into the UK and there's been discussions of banning
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me and then people inside the UK, they're talking about not letting them leave the country
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extra judicially or not let them travel around.
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I mean, this is real Nazi Germany type stuff.
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I mean, that's what Nazis did was give you an ID for folks that don't know that said
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where you could go.
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Yeah.
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Where are your papers?
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Exactly.
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So that became, you know, somewhat of a, of a joke amongst, uh, Western nations post second
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world war, but it seems like the lessons haven't been learned.
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So if I understand correctly, his argument is that nations should have sovereignty and
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they should be able to enforce their borders, which is why it's okay for America to keep
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out whatever immigrants we decide are bad, but other nations should not be allowed to
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exercise their sovereignty by keeping out people that they think are bad white people
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who they think are bad.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think we got that.
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Huh?
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So I, so, so some nations maybe boy, one in particular, uh, a white nation, if you will,
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should be allowed to keep non white people out, but a nation that is, God damn it.
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Does he not know how dumb he is?
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Uh, no, I don't know.
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I think he just knows that the audience isn't probably not prone to pick up on those sorts
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of things and they are just going to cheerlead their team and their team is his team.
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But it's so fucking stupid.
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It is pretty dumb to say like, good, they're a sovereign nation, so we're not allowed to
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visit there.
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That is literally what you should have to say.
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It seems like it.
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They set their own immigration laws and they say, no, Michael Savage by your rep, by your
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principles, you need to support that.
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Yeah.
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I don't give a shit.
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It's just stupid.
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Who cares?
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So stupid.
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So this is in an interview with the guy who, uh, may or may not have stopped recently,
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but was running Breitbart in Europe.
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I don't really care.
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He says a bunch of stupid nonsense.
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Uh, but at the end of the interview, Alex talks about how it's the best interview he's
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had in a really long time.
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Guess why?
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That's one of the best interviews we've had here is like, I mean, I already knew it was
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smart, but I'm, they got smart cause it's good to like mind meld.
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He knows what I'm saying.
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He knows I'm not making stuff up.
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This guy agrees with everything I'm saying and he knows I'm not full of shit.
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I love it.
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This guy just went along with everything I said.
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This interview was great because in no way was it challenging at all and I didn't have
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to even think I could just say random shit.
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And that guy said not only that, but then he said crazy shit and I went along with it
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and I was like, yeah, that's great.
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Nah, nah.
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We had a great agreement fest and it really nailed it home for me.
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Yep.
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This is such a bummer.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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I'm bummed out.
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Eh.
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It's like, it's, it's almost too stupid.
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It's almost, it's like we've, we've dealt with so much stupid over the, over the years.
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It's true.
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So much stupid.
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But this is just spectacular.
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I agree.
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It is incredibly stupid.
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And there's like, there's very little coherence on his show anymore.
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Like it's listening to it's incredibly frustrating because you can almost get a sense that he
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doesn't want to do it anymore.
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Yeah.
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There is, there is a feeling of that and I can't blame him, but.
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No, I agree with him.
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I don't want him to do it anymore either.
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So throughout this episode, I think we've seen a lot of real white nationalist, white
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supremacist apologia from Alex and the trend has been in the past also that he just loves
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dictators.
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And we, we see more of that earlier with him praising Bolsonaro, but in this next clip,
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I just feel like he can't make it more clear.
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He just loves a fucking dictator.
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We are watching the rebellion against the globalists very, very closely in the Brazilian
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Emerald Isle in Italy, the United Kingdom here in America and Australia.
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They are quietly for at least five years taking their government back in many ways.
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The Irish and we watched that with a very, very pleased eye to say the least do the battle
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is joined the ladies and gentlemen.
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So I mean, you know, you've clearly said which side of that battle you're on.
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It's not a good side.
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That, that evil laugh you literally made an evil laugh.
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Yeah, I did.
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You literally made an evil laugh in regards to a large group of dictators engaging in
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a battle against everyone who is nonwhite.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or, or people with like really, uh, dangerous, uh, uh, restrictionist policies and regressive.
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Uh, also don't bring my, don't bring my Emerald Island into this.
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They're actually doing better.
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I don't know what I think that was legalized abortion all across the board.
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I think he just was really grasping for words.
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Uh, I think he forgot, he forgot the countries clearly that he was going to mention.
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And so he said the to stretch it out and then Brazilian and he had to come up with a noun
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and I don't know why he came up with Emerald Isle, which is weird.
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Um, so, uh, after this, Alex has an interview with this guy, Dan Lyman, who, uh, runs news
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war, not news wars, Europe wars.com, which is their European info wars, which is who
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gives a shit that would be a little bit on the nose if we, if we were writing a novel
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about info wars and one of our characters was named Dan Lyman Lyman, it would be two
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on the nose.
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Yeah.
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A little bit.
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Yeah.
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Two on the nose.
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Yeah.
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People would give us like, Hey, that was a great novel, but that character's name was
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Dan Lyman.
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What are you guys doing?
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Yeah.
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We need a second pass on this transcript.
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Yeah.
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Um, so he, like Alex started news wars and Europe wars because he had a keen sense that
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info wars was, uh, you know, maybe people weren't trusting it so much.
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Oh, so you keep it on brand with news wars and Europe wars, but maybe people who see
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the links won't know that it's info wars and be like, Oh, what's this?
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Maybe you can trick people again, like you used to with present planet and info wars
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links.
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Rebrand!
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Exactly.
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So there's a little bit of that going on.
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Two of them talk about bullshit, uh, that's not important.
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Uh, but they do end up talking about how great Trump is.
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They talk about this fast food buffet that he gave, uh, the Clemson football team.
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And we just not, we're not going to talk about that.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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I just want none of them.
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No, it's only, it's only brought up as a transition into them talking about why Trump eats so
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much fast food and they get a little bit defensive about it.
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Guys, guys, we get it.
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You like him.
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I love the president.
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We don't need to do this.
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You could not, you could, we could all just not give a shit about what he eats.
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It's very, it's so easy to not give a fuck about what he eats.
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I don't.
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I don't.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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Why do they?
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I don't know if they do.
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They're only bringing it up because they want to create this idea that Trump is under like
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an intense amount of danger.
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And so they rationalize that the reason that he eats fast food is so he doesn't get poisoned
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by the globalists, which is interesting.
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And that is the best angle on that I have heard ever.
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And then it leads to Alex giving us a revelation about his own life vis-a-vis poisoning.
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And it has been said that Trump does eat a lot of fast food, especially now at this point,
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because of the low risk of having his food contaminated, which, you know, I don't think
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any of us can really accept.
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And let's be clear.
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That's why he does it.
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He will send trusted people out to different restaurants every time to get his food.
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Like Manafort.
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Yes.
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I mean, it tells me he's probably been I'm not making a big story, but a couple of times
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I'm pretty sure at public events I got poisoned.
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And then once I got tested, it was arsenic.
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So it was like 20 years ago, they hit me with some.
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So, yeah, there's a revelation, folks.
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Yeah, I've been in a war.
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They they must be trying 20 years ago.
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I was really trying to poison kings throughout history and every culture.
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But I'm sure the president, no one's trying to poison him, right, Dan?
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No, certainly not.
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Certainly not.
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Yeah.
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I mean, when Alex got poisoned with arsenic 20 years ago, it didn't happen.
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Larger question.
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Yeah.
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Why isn't anyone trying to poison the president?
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I don't know.
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Maybe some people are.
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There's so many of these things that just, you know, you never hear about.
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Like a lot of the a lot of the attempts and threats against Obama when he was in office
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were publicized until much after the fact.
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It's probably a good strategy not to make a lot of those things public.
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So I think there's probably, you know, maybe there are some sort of like tastes like, again,
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a medieval food testers prior to there already is that in place in the White House for that
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exists already.
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They don't need to then add on, OK, I'm going to send a bunch of people out for fast food
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in order to get around this.
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Like there's already there's already protocol in place.
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It's just trying to rationalize a way why he eats a ton of fast food.
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God, if I was it.
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I mean, it's it's insane.
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And then Alex, if I were ISIS, my first move would be to just like try and like not try
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and do it, but just say we're we've been trying to poison the president.
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We keep doing it because I hope he doesn't.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Just like, oh, you love that fast food, don't you, Mr. President?
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Guess what's coming next?
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Little do you know, we have people in all of your favorite restaurants, restaurants.
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So there's you know, this episode is a lot of just Steve King stuff.
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You know, it really is.
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And then towards the end of it, as it goes along, Alex gets more into the sort of defending
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tyrants and love and authoritarianism.
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Yeah.
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And it ends where we're going to end.
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There's still a little bit of show left in the Paul Joseph Watson comes in.
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But who gives a shit where we're going to end is this clip.
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And I don't understand how this isn't Alex just doing brainwash type language that has
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I mean, this would fit in in 1984 Trump equals fighter Trump equals victory info wars equals
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victory.
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I don't like that's insanely wow.
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That's insane.
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Like Trump equals victory.
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Trump double plus good.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's that's what he's doing now.
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That show has been been relegated to it.
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It's a it's just sad.
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It's sad and pathetic.
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That's the picture that we see in the present day.
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And I wish I could get more worked up about it, because the things that he's talking about
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are fucking awful.
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Yeah.
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Like the defense of white supremacy is awful.
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The apologizing for someone and making really dumb, bad excuses for someone like Steve King
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is awful.
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And I'm just I'm not I'm not I'm not super interested in it past like looking at it,
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discussing it, whatever.
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Because it's what he is.
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It's what Alex is.
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Yeah.
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The act of it isn't really that impressive or interesting.
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It's just like, wow.
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Yep.
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Should've seen that coming.
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Should've seen that coming for this dick.
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I know.
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And and at the same time, it's so important to continue to point it out because that's
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why we know that's why I don't stop.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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But I mean, that is one of the issues is that you get this fatigue and this becomes normalized
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where your reaction to Alex being an out and out white supremacist and pretending he's
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not is just like is dismissive.
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It's just like, yeah, of course, that's what he's going to do when it's so hard to maintain
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the cause.
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He's shifted over to a window of interesting.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I'm bored by the fact that a goddamn what a total 38 percent of this country still wants
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a white supremacist to be president.
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I'm bored by it.
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I'm bored.
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It's a struggle.
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It's a struggle to maintain the sense of novelty and, you know, it's the Twitter outrage issue
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where it's like, yes, we're all mad about it today.
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And then the next day we're mad about something else.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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To to an extent, it's it's seeing things.
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It's a battle to see things through fresh eyes, like see the same thing anew whenever
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you see it.
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And the present day of Alex Jones's show is a real chore with that.
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But hey, it's important and it's good.
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I'm glad we you know, I'm glad to take a look at it and see.
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Well, yep.
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Alex is living up to exactly all of the things that we would expect him to do.
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Yeah.
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And well, it would be scarier, actually, I guess, to see growth, because then I don't
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know.
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I don't I don't know what that would portend, you know, but well, just just imagine, like
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put yourself in that headspace of like this is the first time you've heard Alex Jones
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say this shit.
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Mm hmm.
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That'd be crazy.
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It would be insane.
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Yeah.
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I would be amazed that he could get away with it.
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I would start this podcast if I heard this.
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If I wasn't already doing it, this would probably be enough to be like, huh, somebody's got
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to do something about this.
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Where does this come from?
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Oh, now we know where it comes from.
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And yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's it's infuriating.
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No, it is.
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It is.
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Alex sucks.
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Sort of wait, guys.
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This has been January 15th, 2019.
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This has been the present day.
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So we will see you back on Monday.
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Absolutely.
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And I appreciate everyone putting up with a weird schedule this week.
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But we'll get.
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Yeah.
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But yeah.
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Apologies for no wacky Wednesday this week.
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But you got it.
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You know, it's mental health days, man.
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Sure.
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Like exhaust.
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Really?
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You really got it.
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Self care.
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Self care.
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I'm working on it.
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So other than that, we have a website has nothing to do with self care.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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I think it's actively against self care.
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We also are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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Indeed.
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We're on Facebook.
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That's correct.
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It's to go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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That's our group that we have over there where people can hang out and talk and have fun.
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Of course.
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And we're on iTunes.
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We are.
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You could download our podcast.
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Subscribe.
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But what if you subscribe to our podcast and you download them when they come out?
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Right.
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So what if you then like when and left to review that'd be nice is like it's nice.
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It is nice.
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Yeah.
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It's nice.
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It's nice.
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Please do it.
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Yeah.
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So, Dan, Dan Lyman, the the the lying man, the incredibly aptly named man.
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Now, granted, I don't know too much about him.
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I've never done a deep dive into his history, but so far of all the times I've heard him
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on the radio, he's never indicated that he's killed a guy.
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But I know one guy who technically probably has that in his past.
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Who's that?
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That guy's Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
