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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple of dudes. I like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a wee bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Hi.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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What's your favorite Brendan Fraser movie?
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Fraser, boy, the mummy? I don't know. Monkey Bone? Was he in Monkey Bone?
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He was in Monkey Bone. It was a movie that famously ruined a man's career,
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and that man's name is...
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More than one.
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Brendan Fraser. Oh, yeah. Well,
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look, Catan ruined his own career the moment he discovered Coke.
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I think it almost ruined an entire studio, too. It was super expensive to make.
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Yeah.
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I worked at a movie theater when that came out, and it was one of the best things ever,
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because it was billed as, like all the posters said, from the director of Nightmare Before
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Christmas. So everybody thought it was Tim Burton.
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Except it's not Tim...
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He produced Nightmare Before Christmas.
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That's right. No, it ruined the director's career, for sure.
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Oh, certainly. Because everybody felt betrayed when it wasn't a Tim Burton movie,
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and it sucked.
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Yeah.
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Like everybody who came into the theater, like opening night to see Monkey Bone,
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they were like, oh, I'm real excited about for this Tim Burton. I got bad news for you, man.
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Sorry, he's not... He didn't do this.
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What's really unfortunate is that it didn't make people remember how good the director did
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for Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Well, you got a good producer on board.
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Oh, come on now. We're not going to start giving producers all kinds of credit for...
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Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that was a fond memory of mine working at the movie theater.
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Watching the disappointment on everybody. You are...
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Because it was so many people. It was something like, I worked at that movie theater for like
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five years, and I never saw anything like that. Again, like universal anger coming out of the
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theater. People just like, what the fuck?
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Were you there for The Phantom Menace?
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I might have not been working at the theater at the time when I came. No, I was there for
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a very short period of time. There was some trouble. Everybody at the theater got fired.
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It's complicated. My history with that movie theater is a huge mess.
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I believe you were fired twice and rehired twice, at least.
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Yeah, and I quit once.
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And you quit once.
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Yeah, and ended up managing the theater.
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Oh, capitalism. You're great.
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Yeah, but I think that people were more disappointed by Monkey Bone.
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Yeah. I think so. In my experience.
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I can respect that. I don't remember hating...
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But also...
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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My favorite Brendan Fraser movie is, I actually watched The Mummy like...
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Mummy.
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Three hours ago.
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Good movie.
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It's fantastic.
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I would say that the reason that I think people were more disappointed by Monkey Bone was,
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I expected people to be disappointed by Phantom Menace.
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Right.
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Like, the expectation was too high.
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It was too high.
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No matter what, even if it's fine, people are going to be disappointed. That nerd anger
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is going to come out.
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Right.
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So it doesn't surprise me, whereas everybody mad at Monkey Bone...
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I mean, it's a bad movie.
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You knew that going in.
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Right, right, right. Of course.
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That just...
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Oh God, the visceral rage.
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I loved it.
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I don't think I've ever seen it. I kind of want to watch it.
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The inverse of that was on opening night for Rollerball.
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You remember that movie with LL Cool J?
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I do remember that movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Everybody liked that?
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A big group of people did.
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And no one ever came to our theater dressed up, really, ever.
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Okay.
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Except for...
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But they did for Rollerball?
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Except for maybe Harry Potter.
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There were a couple people who would dress up and stuff like that.
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But yeah, for Rollerball, this big group of people came all dressed up as Rollerballers.
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I want to know more about them!
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Me too.
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Who gives a shit about that movie?
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They were so cool.
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They should have their own movie.
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They were having a great night.
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And I remember that as sort of the reverse of the Monkey Bone thing.
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As the exuberance of these people.
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Holy shit.
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If we could go back in time, I would make a documentary called Rollerballers.
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And it's just about those people who dress up to see a movie in Missouri in the...
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Oh man.
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At the second-rate movie theater in town.
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We were the junior varsity theaters.
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That was...
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Oh god, I loved it.
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Anyway, Jordan, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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That's correct.
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Jordan, today we've got a very interesting 2009 episode to go over.
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It's going to be a mess.
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I've warned you ahead of time.
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You have teased it mercilessly.
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I don't mean...
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I don't feel like I haven't teased.
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I've been trying to warn and sort of qualify things.
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And I'll do a little bit more of that after we do something I'd rather do.
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What's that?
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Thanks to some of our new donors.
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Great transition.
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Thank you very much.
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So first today, I'd like to say thank you to Stephanie.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Stephanie.
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Thank you, Stephanie.
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Next, Morgan, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Morgan.
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Thank you very much for trapping Merlin.
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Oh, okay.
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That's with Morgan.
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Morgan Le Fay.
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Come on. What did this person do?
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Let's find out.
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Thank you so much, Mr. Putty Foot.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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What?
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Mr. Putty Foot is actually from an ancient Sumerian myth.
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Oh, is that right?
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So Enki and Gilgamesh both had to fight Mr. Putty Foot.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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Everybody knows that.
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Next, John S. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, John.
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Next, and finally, I don't know how to pronounce this.
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It's we are chosen, but with an X instead of the O.
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So it's we are chicks.
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That's trouble.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Oh, no.
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Technical difficulties.
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Anyway, if you would like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website,
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knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Oh, yes, please.
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So, Jordan, today, what we're doing is we're going over the span of April 7th to 8th, 2009.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I'm just going to tell you off the bat, we're going to go ahead and skip ahead through
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the 7th because it is whack.
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Okay.
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It's a boring show.
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Okay.
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I think I told you about this, the 2009.
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It hit a bit of a snag.
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Yes.
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And that's kind of what I'm talking about.
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The 7th is a mess.
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He just talks to Mike Rivera about a bunch of bullshit, and then he interviews the lady
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whose son was the guy who got decapitated on the Greyhound bus.
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And it's a gross...
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That is exploitative to a level I don't even want to think about.
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Well, she was making the rounds doing some advocacy and stuff like that.
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Okay.
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And so she's not being exploited, but there is still a piece of it where Alex...
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It's a gross interview and it doesn't seem to fit in with anything that Alex talks about.
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It's a very novel piece of his stuff because he's not trying to make this guy out to be
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like an immigrant killer.
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He's not trying to...
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There's none of the normal rhetoric except for stuff about demonizing mental illness
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and people who are on meds and stuff like that.
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Well, you gotta do that.
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So there's a little bit of that, but it's definitely not worth going into.
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So we're just gonna skip through that and jump in on the 8th because I think the 8th
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is one of the most important days that we will have ever covered in terms of our entire
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podcast up till this point.
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And before we explain why, here are a couple out of context drops from today's show.
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In the first one, Alex kind of describes my life.
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Imagine having homework that never ends that you have a passion for because you want knowledge
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and to beat them.
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It's like you can't stop it.
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You can't stop researching.
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You can't stop learning.
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You can't stop finding out what's disinfo and what's real.
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I think that when I heard that, I was like, I can't relate more to that, except all you
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do is lie.
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Dan, the more you look into the abyss, the more the abyss looks back at you and it has
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your own face on it.
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Dan.
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Yeah, it's a little boy.
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So that's dangerous.
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Next out of context drop.
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Alex Jones asks a rhetorical question that he doesn't want an answer to.
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I mean, do you people have any respect for me?
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No.
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You have any respect for me?
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No.
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Or is it just all we don't believe Alex?
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Yes.
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Pretty much.
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Yeah.
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You nailed it.
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He's in a weird mood on the 8th.
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That's a weird thing to have on your own radio show is to just ask a giant like, does
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anybody like me here?
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Really?
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Anybody?
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Anybody here at all?
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No?
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Yeah.
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Well, see, that was in response to that whole jag was sort of in the response to a caller
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who calls in.
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Alex goes into overdrive on this episode and does a whole extra hour of the show.
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So it's five hour episode, which is brutal.
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But in the extra hour of the show, he starts, he explains that he wants to do overdrive
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because he's got too many calls backed up and he wants to talk to the people.
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So the first call that he takes is a guy who's like, hey, Alex, this entire episode, you've
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been talking about this news article in the AP about how Obama is admitting that they're
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doing chemtrails.
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But if you go look at that article, it doesn't say that.
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I like you and I want to help get your message out to my friends and stuff like that.
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But you were literally saying something that isn't true.
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So if I tell them to go check this out, they're going to see it.
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It'd be like, that's not true.
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That's hurting the cause or whatever.
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And then Alex just gets so fucking defensive and screams at him for a half an hour.
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Yeah.
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And so that leads to the, does anybody respect me?
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It's like, wow, that's why you went to overdrive.
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That is rough.
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The idea that, oh man, that's so sad.
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That's so sad that a guy who looks up to Alex, who's like, you're, you're a great man.
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You're doing great things.
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I don't want to hurt you.
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I love you.
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And out of that love, I tell you that you are lying about this bullshit.
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Change it that way.
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When you tell the truth, I can tell more of my friends and they'll tell more of their
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friends and they'll point it back and they'll have hard evidence that you're right.
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Yep.
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And instead he throws a tantrum like a little baby.
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Basically, I understand that.
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It's wild.
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That makes sense.
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If there were not the rest of this episode, I would like to just listen to that whole
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20 minutes because Alex just disassembles on air more or less, just like, why I'm right
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all the time.
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It's awesome.
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All right.
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So he turns into a raving lunatic.
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It is awesome.
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But Jordan, today, this episode is going to be a very big, it's going to be very important
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and you'll see immediately why, but before we jump into anything, I need to make one
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very important caveat before we get into any of the main substance of today's episode.
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We've got a lot of new donors.
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Go ahead and read those off, Dan.
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That's not it.
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Oh, that's not?
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Well, okay.
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I'm sorry.
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It's that there is going to, there are going to be parts of this episode that I can tell
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you what's going on and then there are going to be other parts where there's some conjecture
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and some speculation.
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I want to give that warning ahead of time and we will do our best to call out what is
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what, but I don't want to mislead anybody who's listening to this as we go through it
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to think that we have a firm conclusion that we can come to or that we're directly saying
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X means X.
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Right.
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We do mean X means X, but X means Y.
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We're not trying, we're not, I don't know how to say this other than to say...
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How about let me say it to you this way and let's do it in the parlance of Alex Jones.
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Parlance, of course, is a word that Alex Jones uses.
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And the nomenclature of the parlance of the symbolism.
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Exactly.
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Our gut will point us to this thing.
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And even beyond gut, circumstantial...
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But we do not always trust our gut.
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No.
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Unlike Alex, we will say our gut says this is probably true, but we don't trust that
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because we can't prove it.
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There's gut, there's circumstantial evidence, there's coincidence and all those things
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together and we can discuss how those things lead us towards a conclusion.
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Right.
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But we can't say with any certainty that this is the conclusion.
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Exactly.
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I want that caveat to be totally clear lest anyone get the wrong idea because a lot of
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this stuff is pretty important to the stuff we cover and at the same time really fucking
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suspicious.
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Yeah.
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So here's where we start.
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We're going to jump in about 20 minutes into the April 8th, 2009 episode.
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And the reason we're not going to listen to anything at the beginning is because it's
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just a continuation of Alex's random, not random, but like very consistent.
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I don't want to be blamed for that Pittsburgh shooting.
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Right, right, right, right.
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He's just, he's very defensive about the idea that newspapers are pointing out that
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the guy who did the shooting was a regular commenter on his website.
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Right, right, right.
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He's going on and on about how like, yeah, but you look at the comments, he doesn't
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like me and that sort of thing.
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That's sort of his defense about it.
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Hard proof.
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Well, I mean, it is, you can see how there is an argument he can make.
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It's a bad one because he does like Alex.
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He just doesn't think he hates the Jews enough.
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Right.
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That's what the guy's complaints were, which is not necessarily indications that this guy
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was against Alex, but...
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Oh, that's such a weird criteria.
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Oh man, Dan, I would love to be friends with you.
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I think you're a great guy.
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I think you're right on most of the time, but you just don't hate Jews enough.
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So we can't hang out.
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I'm sorry.
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Cool.
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I'm sorry.
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I'd be fine with that.
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You don't think I hate Jews enough?
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You don't want to hang out with me?
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That's a win-win for me.
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That's true.
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That is a win-win.
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Yeah.
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So that's most of the beginning of the episode.
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And then about 25 minutes in, Alex says something that made me ears perk up.
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The left, I mean, I'm being directly attacked by George Soros right now.
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You know that's who runs Media Matters.
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Literally runs it.
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And all these other big sites that he publicly funds are attacking me.
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Let me tell you something, folks, it's creepy to have the eye of Sauron on you.
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I mean, you think it's fun having hardcore people like George Soros after you?
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So we now have Alex saying not only that he's being attacked and associated with this
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Pittsburgh shooting and he doesn't want that.
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That's not me.
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I told people to kill people, but that doesn't mean they kill people because I told them
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to.
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But beyond that, he's adding in Soros to that narrative, which is something that we
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have never seen before.
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On April 2nd of 2009, Alex brought up Media Matters and he said that it was run by David
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Brock.
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Doesn't mention Soros at all.
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Right.
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This is a new piece of rhetoric being introduced here.
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George Soros runs Media Matters and George Soros is attacking me.
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April 8th, 2009.
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Yep.
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Mere days after Alex Jones talked about Media Matters being run by David Brock.
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No mention of George Soros.
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Up until this point, we've had a caller.
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Maybe three mentions.
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A caller said something about Soros and he's like, oh, yeah, of course.
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Alex has been very not into talking about Soros.
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So what could have changed?
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Well, I'm not sure.
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And I think that's an exploration that will drive this episode, quite frankly.
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But I should say, though, too, I think it's important to point out that, like, if it was
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just that, if it was just Alex being like, hey, you know, Soros is being a dick to me
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or something like that, I don't think that I would be all that interested in necessarily
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covering it.
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Or at least I wouldn't bring this much to the proceedings.
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But unfortunately, Alex spends pretty much the entire show taking swings at George Soros.
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OK.
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In a way that I would describe as overkill.
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Like, it's insane.
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Here is another clip.
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You mean he's in overdrive?
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Mm hmm.
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And in this next clip, Alex predicts that he is about to become super famous and he's
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going to blow up and that George Soros is trying to destroy him.
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See, I've been holding back being explosively huge.
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And I realize now I'm not going to be able to do that.
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And now I have to face my fear because that's the final fear.
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I now enter the face of maximum danger.
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A lot of you wanting to see them crush me.
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You're probably going to get to see it now.
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So he doesn't mention Soros by name in that clip, but that's the external context of what
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he was talking about before the boobie boop music started.
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So Alex has some indication that he is about to become very popular and much more.
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He's going to see a rise in his stature.
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A really confident, concrete statement that does not sound like our usual boasts and brags.
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He doesn't begin it with, and I don't mean to brag, I've been holding back, or I don't
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mean to act like I'm some kind of super strong guy and I've been holding back my popularity.
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He says, I'm about to become super famous.
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Right.
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And same episode where he pivots to saying that George Soros hates him.
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I mean, that's a coincidence.
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I think that in the past, whenever we've seen Alex do like a lot of brags about his place
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in life and his position, it's always a present day brag.
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It's always like, I am this, not I'm about to because I'm stopping holding back or whatever.
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And if what he was holding back was this knowledge about George Soros, I think that he would
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clearly say that on the episode.
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And he doesn't.
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No.
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He doesn't say what he's been holding back is revealing that Soros is a big bad guy,
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which probably would cut off most of my criticisms at the path, like at the past.
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Because then it would be like, oh, that's the way you're presenting this.
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I don't believe you, but at least you're making that apparently.
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He's just injecting Soros into everything now.
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And he's doing it in such a way that it really just feels unnatural.
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It feels like a jarring shift, like in a completely different direction.
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Because we've been spending months and months listening to his walk through the 2009.
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And he never talks about Soros.
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He has his own villains that he's super interested in talking about.
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Rockefeller's, yeah.
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Rothschild's, the Ford Foundation.
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Any famous Jews.
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And this is this is so much of a departure.
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It's so much.
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And we're not nearly done.
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Like, quick question.
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Do we have any concrete kind of like range where the Soros being the big baddie?
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We're going to get into all of that.
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And that is why, trust me, I appreciate your question.
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But throughout the course of this, I'm really trying to make this a quick episode.
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I'm trying to get in and out.
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I'm trying to get my conclusions in, questions answered.
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Everybody go home.
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We'll have a good night.
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It's a little more complicated than being able to answer it in a really solid way, a
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really specific way.
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But I will say that when you get into the complexities of it, the simplicity of it emerges.
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So there is that.
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That's a very Zen kind of.
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That is the single most annoying sentence you have ever, ever said to me.
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And it came from the heart.
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That sentence is so fucking annoying.
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I am going to I'm going to wake up at about 3 a.m. this morning and just be like, fuck
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that sentence.
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It was a pretty good sentence.
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It was a great sentence, and I hate it.
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So awful.
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Here's the next clip that we have of Alex sort of rewriting some of his history in order
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to inject Soros into it.
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We just read what they said they were going to do, introduced in the U.N., attacks on
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all carbon to control everybody and that they would implode the economy through derivatives
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to bring this in.
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I've been saying that for 10 plus years because I was reading what George Soros was saying
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they were going to do.
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I was reading what David Rockefeller said they were going to do.
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I was reading IMF and World Bank documents.
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So he was reading things that Soros said they were going to do for years and yet never mentioned
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him.
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No, that's very weird.
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You know, very, very strange.
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Actually, what's amazing about that is that in rewriting his own history, you see the
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first draft.
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What do you mean?
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I'm just inverting your dumb fuck sentence.
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I'm so angry at him.
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The imitation is never as good as the original.
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I think that's a compliment to me this time?
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Yes.
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So if Alex is trying to say that he's been saying he's been reading Soros's writings
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and stuff like this for years and that's what's led him to be able to know the things that
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he knows, I say, no, that's not at all the way you've presented things up to this point.
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This is very not in line with his own version of his life.
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Especially considering, I suppose, either means he started looking into Soros and then
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found out that all of the stuff that he has been studying so far has actually been pointing
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towards Soros and he didn't know about it.
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But again, if he'd presented it that way, my criticisms would go away.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Because there's a logical way to present introducing Soros into this world, which is like I would
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say if he got on air and was like, my researchers have been digging in and they found that Soros
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is behind X, Y, and Z, then at least from a narrative standpoint, it makes sense.
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But instead, he's pretending that all of these things are things that he's been talking about
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for every episode up till this point and it's just not.
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He's in media res is where he's starting these narratives.
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He's hitting the ground running and it's very, very weird.
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And I have to stress that we're not going to listen to a lot of the stuff on the seventh,
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but it's not like I'm hiding it.
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He doesn't talk about Soros on the seventh.
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And even if he did, then OK, we got two days instead of one.
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But I'm just a little defensive about the idea that I'm not showing all my work here.
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He did talk about Soros in 1998.
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He was...
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I highly doubt that.
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Still in high school.
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I highly doubt that.
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So Alex now is talking about other reasons Soros doesn't like him, right?
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Right.
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And I think it is probably good to point this out that he's making a lot of wide ranging
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statements in terms of like, oh, and I wanted to correct you just a tiny bit.
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In that last clip, you were saying that he's been reading Soros's writings forever.
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And that's not really implied by what he's saying.
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He's saying he's been reading these documents for 10 years.
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Right.
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I apologize.
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And for some stretch of time, Soros documents.
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Although it is kind of implied that it's been a long time.
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But I just want to be totally clear lest we mislead.
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Of course.
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So it's a wide ranging spectrum of things, whether it's this IMF documents and like financial
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takeovers or any of the other things that he's already thrown around.
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Beneath it, it does seem to be that the media matters part and they complain about Alex.
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He's trying to deflect criticism of himself.
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So there is that as a sort of motivation.
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Right.
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But it still doesn't answer the question, why is this happening now?
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Absolutely.
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And it's the question becomes even more complicated when you see how far ranging these complaints
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that he has about Soros are.
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I can make a film that cost $100,000 and then I release it free.
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And in two weeks, it's been seen more than 15 million times.
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It's now three plus weeks.
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I haven't gone and counted it up yet.
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Takes hours to go around to hundreds of sites and count it up.
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Seems like you've done that before.
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You think George Soros, who spent his own hard earned money to put Barack Obama in to
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pacify the left, that's all that is, is a call from the left.
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You think he likes that?
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I don't know.
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I don't know if he cares.
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I don't think he's ever spoke on it.
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Who, Soros?
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Yeah.
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I don't know if he cares about Endgame or the Obama deception.
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Is that what he was saying?
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I thought he was talking about the Obama deception.
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I didn't realize it because the way the sentence kind of structure made it sound like does
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Soros talk about, does Soros like that he's co-opting the left, I suppose, which he's
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actually talking about, does Soros talk about the Obama deception?
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He's saying that Soros doesn't like that Alex is able to put out the documentary, The
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Obama Deception.
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Okay.
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And that's, that's, yeah.
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Somebody's got to teach him about grammar.
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It's, it's tough, but you can understand what he's saying.
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Um, so in this next clip, he makes another accusation about Soros.
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The fact that Obama does have an attorney general that filed briefings before the Supreme
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Court for a total complete ban of any firearms of any type, including single shot for the
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American people.
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And that they've introduced all these bills, the most draconian in history.
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That's real.
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And you just can't sit over there saying it isn't real.
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Let me tell you something.
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You, you establishment George Soros finance people.
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This is going to lead to war.
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This is what I've been trying to stop.
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I like the red lights working.
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I like the power working.
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I like being able to go home and eat a hot meal.
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I don't have some romantic love of the coming conflict that's going to happen.
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The bloody civil war in this country.
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So he's saying that Soros is going to precipitate a civil war by these people that he's funding.
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All of the people out there in the media that Alex doesn't like all of these people who
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are, you know, pushing the ideas that Alex is opposed to.
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So he is giving Soros ownership of so much that he didn't give him ownership of before.
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Not even a little bit.
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This is a drastic departure point for Alex.
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I don't know how much he keeps this up in the episodes after this, but this episode
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is a very harsh document of Alex going real fucking hard on a guy.
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Yeah, this is a right angle turn.
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This is a pivot of the highest caliber.
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Yep.
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So Alex is going to, he's in this next clip going to try and contextualize the media landscape
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that he sees in front of him, which is there's the controlled people on the left and the
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controlled people on the right wearing like Rush Limbaugh is in charge of the right and
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George Soros is in charge of the left.
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Oh, that's a bad dichotomy.
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And then we find out about another media organization that is owned by Soros.
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And so the establishment writers are going out trying to get the right wing base under
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the control of Limbaugh and the left wing base under the control of the Soros controlled
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media empire, air America, and the rest of it, they are desperately trying to get their
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people back under their wings and going, look, the right wingers, look, the right wingers
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are going to get you Alex Jones.
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He's a right winger.
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Don't listen to him about the new world honor.
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At this point, Lionel is working in air America.
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I don't know if Soros wants to put Lionel on air, but I don't know.
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Soros loves Lionel or at the very least the theme song.
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Can't get it out of his head.
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So whatever, who gives a shit?
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This is, this is nonsense.
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But again, it's expanding the power base that his new villain has in the world.
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And he explicitly says in this next clip that Soros is behind the left.
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Don't you understand how you get discredited George Soros foundation fake liberals?
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You know, they're there to co-opt the left.
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That's a weird name for a foundation.
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Same thing with Hannity and Glenn Beck and the rest of them.
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And see, the left has woken up to this new world order being real.
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So they're, they're waking up and joining the people.
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And so the establishment's trying to keep their people on the reservation, on the plantation.
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Okay.
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I, I, I, I suppose the, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that, uh, his writers,
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uh, were right around, uh, season three or season four.
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And they realized they had to introduce a new big bad.
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So all of a sudden they're ramping up his power base.
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In order to make him seem way more, uh, awful than the previous big.
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I mean, that's an interesting way to look at it.
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I mean, that's possible.
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You know, you have, uh, you have a situation where like, uh, I don't know, the actor wants
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to renegotiate his salary.
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It's like, well, yeah, I need a new character here.
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I don't know.
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Maybe the Rothschilds, uh, wanted, uh, to unionize the propaganda business or something.
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This is like if, uh, Robert Downey jr.
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Hadn't signed on for the Avengers, that the whole thing could have gone crazy.
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Could have.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, uh, one of the things that we've talked about a whole bunch, even
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already on this episode is the idea that Alex has his own stable of, uh, guys that he likes
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to point the finger at Rothschilds, Rockefellers, what have you.
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And in this next clip, I believe that what we see is Alex Jones, uh, initiating Soros
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into that group.
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What's going to happen is Mexico collapses and even more illegal aliens run up here.
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There's dead cops all over the place.
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It's going to be dead military all over the place.
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They're going to have them marching around, trying to take people's guns in the middle
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of all this.
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As, as, as Mexico collapses, the attorney general already came out in press conferences
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and said, we got to restrict the second amendment because the guns are causing it in Mexico.
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And you know, they're going to say, take the guns is there's rioting and breakdown of society.
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And they're going to March the police right into hell, March the military right into hell
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because the American people aren't going to turn their guns in.
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And when there's dead cops and military everywhere, they're going to blame me.
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We're trying to stop the bankers raping us and starting this when it's in their own IMF
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and world bank documents that they want to have a war between the police and military
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and the people.
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It's George Soros and David Rockefeller and Brzezinski Brzezinski Brzezinski.
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I like that.
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Hey, don't, don't get me wrong.
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I don't, I don't judge anybody for mispronouncing of a, of a word every now and again, but that's
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pretty fun.
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Yeah.
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Well, we should change his name.
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Z's starting a name are always a little bit troublesome.
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So yeah, you got, you got Rockefeller, Soros and Brzezinski all there as the ones who want
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to cause this civil war that will end up with blood in the streets and people, people's
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guns being taken.
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Like Soros is now high level.
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He is as, you know, he's up there with the elites of the globalists.
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Now, whereas before he just kind of seemed like a tertiary asshole that Alex didn't seem
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to like.
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You know, like he was just a rich guy who Alex was kind of like, nah, fuck that guy.
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Which fair.
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That's a fair criticism.
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My position on how Alex has described Soros in the past up till this point has been, I
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would describe it basically as like a guy who is too frank in interviews, both about
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himself and about geopolitics.
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And Alex takes issue with that.
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So the times that he's come up have been like when Soros was talking about how the price
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of oil going down is going to be bad for Russia.
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Right.
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It wasn't still agency that he was applying Soros in terms of these evil plans.
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Then on this show, he is absolutely doing that.
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Yes.
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So this next clip, he makes one specific complaint about him.
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And I think that I can track this one down.
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And so you got George Soros who told a press conference, Globe and Mail, Associated Press.
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Wasn't a press conference.
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I'm having a very good crisis as Soros as the hedge fund managers make millions off
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of the session.
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And George Soros went on to say, it is the culmination of my life's work and has been
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very stimulating.
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That's a quote.
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Now that's who owns and finances these major sites attacking me, including media matters,
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publicly run by Soros.
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And he's coming out with a vicious attack piece.
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Doesn't matter if the original newspaper that got fed this stuff on the Southern Property
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Law Center has in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette has had to admit, Oh my gosh, Alex Jones had
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the white supremacists after him.
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Actually, the cop killer didn't like Alex and disagree with Alex about nonviolence.
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So that's the thing I was talking about earlier.
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He's trying to pretend that all these stories are retracted, but boo.
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So what he's talking about here, he's pretending this is a press conference.
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Alex has just read the headline.
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This is a bad paraphrasing and quoting out of context of an interview George Soros did
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with The Australian in 2009.
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If you read the interview, he does say that the period in late 2008, early 2009 was, quote,
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in a way the culminating point of my life's work, so to speak.
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But he's not talking about causing the crisis or even about profiting off it.
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Just two questions prior in the interview, Soros had indicated that he doesn't spend
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too much of his time focusing on the minutia of financial sectors.
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And at this point in his life, he's far more interested in focusing on policy.
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The interviewer rebuts, quote, what sort of policy?
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To which Soros replies, quote, the financial crisis and how to solve it.
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When he's saying this is a culmination of his life's work, he's talking about all the
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writing he'd been doing and exploring how the theory of reflexivity that he's so into
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could be used to help fix the financial crisis.
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This is absolutely 100% an instance of Alex not having read the interview or intentionally
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lying about it.
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To quote him, the quote about him having a great crisis is from the same interview.
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And surprise, it's also taken out of context.
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This is really more about how he had predicted the crash and bet accordingly.
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Also, he warned people of what he saw coming.
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So he's publicly predicted it.
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It wasn't like he kept the information to himself and profited off it.
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Right.
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Also, he had a really funny line in that interview about how the mainstream financial experts
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had predicted three out of the last seven bubbles.
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But he was better because he'd predicted seven out of the last three, poking fun at the fact
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that he had wrongly predicted bubbles multiple times in the past.
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Nice.
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He shows a plum about himself.
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That's very clever.
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Yeah.
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Good for him.
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The hilarious part about this shit is that in that interview, when he's asked about solutions,
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he literally advocates for greater restrictions and regulations on short selling, which is
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one of the instruments he used to make his money.
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He's advocating for a solution that is opposed to his own self-interest.
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Yeah.
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There is nothing in this interview that is indicative of any way that he caused this
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crash, that he's enjoying the crash part of it outside of it being sort of, at least in
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some ways, evidence that the theory of reflexivity in the markets is something that people should
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take more seriously, which has been his life's work.
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In interviews I've read with him, he cops to like, yep, I made a mistake on that one.
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And one of the things that goes along with that reflexivity thing is the idea of like,
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if you make a mistake, change what you do.
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Don't be beholden to the plan that you put forth just because it was your plan.
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He should coach an NFL team.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Hey, there we go.
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Hey, what are we doing?
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I don't know.
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No references.
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Mahomes is a great one.
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That's a great current reference.
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You nailed it.
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I don't know much about who he is.
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My friend Kyle Ayers is from Kansas City.
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Don't worry about it.
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Super into him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My point is that I think that when you read actual interviews with George Soros, one of
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the things that you see most frequently is a humility about himself, a sense of humor
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about his own positions and his place in the world.
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And his failures.
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Yeah, and his failures.
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And being forthright about it, if you actually read his words and some of the books that
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he's written, he doesn't fit the picture that the right-wing media puts out of him.
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Of course not.
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And it's easy to present yourself well in interviews and still be a dick.
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There's plenty of examples of that through the entertainment industry.
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No, who?
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It's possible to do that, but I don't know.
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I need more evidence if these people want to really demonize him and have it stick.
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It is kind of more advantageous to the right for him to be both forthright, self-aware,
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somewhat humble, and have a sense of humor about himself in that then he becomes such
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an easy target to attack.
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True, true.
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Because you can make up anything about a guy who is humble and self-aware.
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To an extent, but it's interesting that most of the stuff where he's actually copped to
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like, you know, I was wrong about that.
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Or I read one interview where he was talking about how he tried to set up a foundation
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in some former Soviet bloc country and they were pushing for reform in X direction.
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And he got pushback from the government and they had a conversation about it and he realized
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that he was going about things wrong and they adjusted the way that they were doing things
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because he wasn't taking into account local customs and the more greater culture of that
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country.
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And so like...
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Wait, so he was ignorant of something and then he learned more about it and then changed
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his behavior?
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There is nothing the right wing would hate more than that sequence of events.
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It's true.
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But there's things like that.
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And you could, like, if you're a right wing propagandist, you could glom onto that and
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misrepresent that.
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Of course.
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But I'd never see that.
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I only see these lies.
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Like, he intentionally crashed the British pound.
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He's a Nazi collaborator.
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Of course.
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Stuff like that.
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It's never...
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I never see the, like, the versions that were like, well, we could have a conversation about
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that.
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You're gonna lose that conversation.
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You're gonna lose that argument.
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We could have that conversation.
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You're gonna lose.
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It'll be interesting.
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Certainly more interesting than the pound or the Nazi one.
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But I don't know, it's pretty crazy.
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So then in this next clip, Alex talks about how he's calling for Soros's arrest.
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And he says something that I think was a major red flag for me.
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See, I have George Soros, who's having a great time.
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See, he doesn't want you looking at him.
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See, I'm on air calling for his arrest, as many other nations are doing.
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Many other nations are doing that.
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Hmm.
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That's an interesting thing for Alex to say.
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Hmm.
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How many other nations?
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In the time since Alex has been talking about George Soros, we constantly see him being
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used as a scapegoat whenever there's something happening in the world that runs counter to
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Russian interests.
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Odd.
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For instance, in 2017, Macedonia was in a little bit of a political crisis.
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This wasn't the whole story, obviously, but a piece of it was that Macedonia was in the
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process of being brought into the EU, which is bad news for Russia, because Macedonia
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is home to the very important Nagatino-Klekoveci gas pipeline, which is an important part of
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Russia's ability to transport gas to Europe.
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Congressman Chris Smith and Mike Lee wrote letters to then Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
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about how open society was fermenting discord in Macedonia and attempting to give the left
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full control of their judiciary.
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Much of this was based on information that was being put out by a group called Stop Operation
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Soros.
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From an article in Politico, quote, the Macedonian politicians in an allied group known as Stop
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Operation Soros deny any direct Russian role in their efforts, but they acknowledge that
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Moscow has taken an interest.
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One of the founders of Stop Operation Soros, Kvetkin Chilimanov, noticed a virtual army
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of bots and trolls posting about mass demonstrations against Soros that never actually happened.
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Hmm.
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Interesting.
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Also, in 2017, Viktor Orbán, Prime Minister of Hungary, began targeting Soros and blaming
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him for what he described as an invasion of immigrants, which were precipitating a great
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replacement and shifting the demographics of the country.
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It should be noted that Orbán is not a cool dude.
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In a speech that he gave at the Balvenos Summer Free University and student camp in 2014,
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he literally said, quote, the new state that we are constructing in Hungary is an illiberal
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state, a non-liberal state.
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It does not reject the fundamental principles of liberalism, such as freedom.
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And I could list a few more, but it does not make this ideology the central element of
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state organization.
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So he's not so much...
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Wait.
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That was at graduation?
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I don't think it was a graduation, it was like a student camp of some sort.
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Wow.
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It was a university student camp.
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That is not a rah-rah speech that you wanted an assembly.
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Listen, kids, you can do whatever you want.
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Not in our country, though, goddammit.
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We're creating a place where you can't do whatever you want.
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Freedom?
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That's great.
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But fuck you.
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We like freedom, but not as an absolute or a central idea.
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Yeah.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Let's pump the brakes on freedom.
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It's a good fourth priority.
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So I mean, I think that we can agree that without freedom being fundamental, it's not
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a freedom.
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It's not...
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It doesn't exist.
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It's kind of against that.
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Yeah.
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So he's not into that sort of freedom stuff, which puts him diametrically opposed to George
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Soros, who paid to open the Central European University in Budapest and paid for scholarships
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for promising students to go to college, which, ironically, Viktor Orban was a recipient of
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in 1989.
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Oh, goddammit, we can't teach the evils.
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Nope.
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We can't teach the evils at the schools that we create.
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The Aurora Center is a Jewish charity organization in Hungary, and they'd been aligned with Soros
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to some extent.
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He had given them some funding.
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And I'd like you to listen to this passage from an article in The Guardian and see if
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you hear anything you find familiar.
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Quote, the Aurora Center was set up in 2014 and acts as a kind of coalition of the vulnerable,
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housing the offices of non-governmental organizations that work on Jewish issues, Roma issues, LGBT
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rights, migrants, drug use, and homelessness.
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The proceeds from an on-site bar and regular concerts go to support the running of the
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space, and the center's initial funding came partially from Soros.
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Last month, a group of far-right activists defaced the outside of the building, spray
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painting Stop Operation Soros on the pavement and plastering photographs of his face with
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a red cross stuck through it on the doorway, which is undoubtedly a coincidence.
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In 2018, Orban's government passed a law called Literally Stop Soros.
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It's called Stop Soros.
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The Literally Stop Soros.
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Not Literally Stop Soros.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah.
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That would be a little bit too much for you.
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That would be on the nose, maybe.
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It would be a great bill if it was called Figuratively Stop Soros.
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These Stop Soros laws literally restricted non-governmental organizations from being
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able to assist immigrants in asylum cases.
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So Soros withdrew open society from the country.
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Orban later forced the Central European University out of the country, which is a U.S.-accredited
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university.
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So cool.
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You see, these are pretty good indicators of the sorts of leaders who are scapegoating
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Soros in the more recent years, but it doesn't help our purposes here because these two examples
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came after 2009 when this episode comes from.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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What we need to do is find out who, as a government, had anti-Soros positions before that point
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so we can see who Alex is talking about.
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It should come as no surprise to anyone that the only relevant country Alex can be talking
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about is Russia.
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Belize.
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Oh.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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This goes all the way back to Velma Palm.
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From a November 7th, 2003 article in the BBC, quote, camouflage-clad men have forced staff
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to leave the Moscow offices of the Open Society Institute founded by U.S. billionaire George
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Soros.
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At least 30 men stormed the offices and seized computers and documents in the raid, which
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began late on Thursday.
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The state was claiming that it was about Open Society not paying their rent, but that doesn't
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explain why the camouflaged men took what was described as, quote, two lorry loads of
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documents after their raid.
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That just doesn't make sense.
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Look, I didn't pay my rent for a while, and my landlord, of course, hired two dozen camouflaged
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men to steal my computer and then rummage through it.
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Value access to your servers.
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Absolutely.
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That was their whole plan.
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What this was really about was Soros and Open Society, they were open about how the arrest
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of Yukos Oil CEO Mikhail Khodorski, Khodorski, I'm not good at this.
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Khodorski?
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Khodorski by Putin was a clear instance of corruption in an attempt to jail his political
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opponents.
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No.
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Putin.
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Because Khodorski was definitely one of them.
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No.
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He'd spent tons of money establishing educational programs, setting up journalist training initiatives
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and founding internet cafes where normal people could have access to and communicate with
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the outside world.
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He was arrested and jailed on trumped up charges, ultimately doing about 10 years in jail before
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international outcry led to Putin pardoning him in 2014, after which point he wisely headed
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out to the UK.
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Smart.
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Get out of there.
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Yeah, that was a good move.
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That was a good move.
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Soros was one of the people speaking up about this case, and in retaliation, Putin raided
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his offices and made it impossible for him to operate within the country.
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In that time period, Soros was very clear about his opposition to Putin's government,
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writing an op-ed for CNN in 2009 that said, quote, the new order in Moscow that has emerged
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out of the chaos of the 1990s is very far from an open society.
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It's an authoritarian regime that preserves an outward appearance of democracy, but derives
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its power from its control of Russia's national resources.
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It uses those resources to maintain itself in power, to personally enrich the rulers,
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and exercise influence over its neighborhood, both in Europe and the former Soviet sphere.
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But the ideal of an open society is difficult to suppress, and I have not given up hope.
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In the period following the 2003 raid, Putin continued to express his hostility towards
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Soros and his democratic initiatives, blaming him for many of the things that the rest of
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the world views as Putin's own aggression, be it the Georgian war in 2008 or the annexation
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of Crimea.
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Soros.
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Interestingly, on February 23rd, 2009, which is, I don't know, about a month before the
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episode we're listening to right now.
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February 23rd, 2009, those two dates really seem close together.
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Yeah.
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George Soros wrote an article for the European Council on Foreign Relations that was very
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overt in its message about Putin's Russia.
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Here are some choice passages.
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Quote, Europe cannot afford to not resist Russia's geopolitical aggression, and it needs
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to be unified to have any chance of success.
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Europe needs to pursue a two-pronged strategy.
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On the one hand, it must protect itself against the geopolitical threat posed by a newly assertive
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and adventurous Russia.
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On the other, it must seek to replace the rule of force with the rule of law, and geopolitics
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with the pursuit of democracy, open society, and international cooperation.
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Strengthening and supporting the former Soviet republics would serve both prongs of a unified
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EU policy towards Russia.
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In the op-ed, Soros advocates for the strategy of establishing a, quote, unified energy policy
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with a Europe-wide regulatory authority, which has precedence over national regulators and
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a Europe-wide distribution network.
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This would deprive Russia of its ability to play one country against another because a
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concession granted to one national distributor would immediately become available to customers
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in all other countries, which is reflecting the reality of what Russia had done previous
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to this.
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Oh, do you mean picking them off one by one in order to...
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Well, and also playing with their oil reserves in order to manipulate countries that relied
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on those sorts of things.
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How long has Putin been in power for now?
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It's got to be 30 years.
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Since December 31st, 1999.
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So it's...
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He took over on New Year's Day, 1999.
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So it's almost 20 full years now.
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Yeah.
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So Soros' article for the European Council on Foreign Relations is a direct attack on
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Putin, both in the political and economic sense.
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And based on how good Russia is at propaganda, I don't see it as very likely that Putin would
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not want to respond with a disinformation campaign against Soros.
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So it seems very much in line with the strategies that Russia uses generally in terms of information
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warfare.
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The strategies that Russia has used for a hundred and some odd years.
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Right.
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And we have just a month before this episode that we're listening to where Alex starts
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talking about George Soros.
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George Soros himself writes an op-ed in the European Council on Foreign Relations that
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is advocating for a position that definitely would work against Putin's interests.
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Yeah.
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Like that two pronged strategy would be incredibly effective in terms of strengthening those
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vulnerable countries and depriving Russia of one of its chief tools in terms of manipulating
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the oil supplies to get people to turn on each other.
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This is like the Bugs Bunny episode where Defi Duck has just put up a bunch of arrows
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all over the entire forest.
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Every possible arrow everywhere pointed directly at Bugs Bunny's hole.
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Do you kind of see where that- But we still can't prove Bugs Bunny's down
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there.
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I'm not saying that Bugs Bunny's down there.
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I'm just saying that there are a lot of arrows pointing towards Bugs Bunny's hole.
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I have a lot of thoughts and it does bum me out that there's really no way to make this
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like any direct claim.
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But we can talk about each of those arrows, but we can at no point say that that rabbit
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is fucking down.
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No, no, no, no.
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Which is a bummer.
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We're going to have to fire a gun down that hole to see who's down there and, you know,
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smoke them out.
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So I've already made- That's not how you smoke a thing out of a
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hole firing a gun into it, but fair enough.
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It is entirely reasonable to accept that this is a coincidence.
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Entirely reasonable.
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Possibly.
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It could just be the timing matches up.
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That happens.
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So I guess now might be a good time to talk about the answer to the question you asked
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earlier about old time Soros hate.
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Yeah.
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Because it predates any of this stuff that Russia was doing in the early 2000s in terms
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of demonizing the open societies.
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It's not.
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It's just something that popped up out of nowhere.
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Well obviously it started with Hitler, so there we go.
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Well see here.
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Here's the thing.
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There's a rich history of despots in Eastern Europe hating George Soros specifically and
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for a good reason.
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He spent his life in a large fortune supporting democratizing forces in countries that those
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despots wish to rule over in authoritarian fashions.
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In perpetuity.
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There's a long line of this that predates Putin's rise to power, again on New Year's
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Eve 1999, but it doesn't predate him being in the KGB.
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He was a foreign intelligence officer for the KGB from 1975 to 1991, reaching the rank
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of lieutenant colonel.
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You may notice that the date of him leaving the KGB is right around when the Soviet Union
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fell, at which point he decided to get into politics, eventually finding himself a fast
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rising star in the Yeltsin administration.
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In 1992, István Kurska was a radical nationalist member of the Hungarian National Assembly.
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Though Hungary wasn't a part of the USSR, it was a country that was militarily dominated
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by the Soviet Union until the Iron Curtain fell.
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In the 50s, Kurska gained a public image as a democratic hero, having been arrested at
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the 1956 attempted revolution against Soviet occupation.
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He put on the appearance of being a democratic crusader, critical of the Hungarian regime
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in power, but it was later revealed in the 90s that through the entire time, he was employed
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as an informant for the Hungarian secret police.
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Holy shit!
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He was literally controlled opposition!
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Yeah.
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He was also deeply an anti-Semitic dude, insisting that the Zionists wanted to take over Hungary.
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In 1992, he accused Soros of being a puppet of Israel, ostensibly trying to help Zionists
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take over the country.
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Right.
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So that is from 1992.
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We have this example of a fucking dude who is presenting himself as a democratizing force,
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but he was actually a snitch for the people he was pretending himself to be against.
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So you got that.
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Okay, that's one good example.
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Jan Slota was a hyper-nationalist, extreme member of the National Council in then Czechoslovakia.
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He was a real shithead, saying things like the following about people from Hungary.
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Quote, these robbers, murderers, and those who erect these ugly turuls, these Hungarian
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parrots.
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It's like a traditional bird, the tural, in Hungary.
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Cool.
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It's not important.
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Well, that's nice.
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It's nice to learn something.
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He's insulting their native sort of traditions and culture.
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Let's say it's like a colloquial insult.
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You know, everybody from Indiana is bleh.
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Yeah.
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He called the ethnic Hungarian minority in the country a, quote, tumor on the body of
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the Slovak nation, and vowed to, quote, get into our tanks and level Budapest if they
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attempt to teach us the Lord's Prayer in Hungarian ever again.
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He called Joseph Tiso, quote, one of the greatest sons of the Slovak nation.
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Fun fact, Joseph Tiso was the president of the Slovak Republic back when it was a client
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state of Nazi Germany.
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By August 1942, Tiso had aided in deporting most of the Jews who lived in the Slovak Republic
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and was fully aware that they were going to their deaths.
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When the Vatican criticized the deportation, Tiso, himself a Catholic priest before becoming
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president, replied, quote, there is no foreign intervention which should stop us on the road
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to the liberation of Slovakia from Jewry.
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Can I paraphrase that?
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Mm.
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Fuck you.
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Yeah.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck Pope.
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None of that shit is real.
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Let's kill them all.
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We're gonna kill the Jews.
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Yeah.
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Kill them all.
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So after the Soviet army liberated the country, Tiso was tried for war crimes and for destroying
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Slovakian democracy and sentenced to death.
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He was hung on April 18th, 1947.
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So Jan Slota loves that guy, but you know who he didn't like?
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George Soros.
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I wonder why.
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In 1995, when Slota was trying to pass completely cool legislation designed to curtail freedom
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of speech and press in the Czech Republic, he accused-
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Called the Figuratively Kill Jews Act.
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He accused opposition of being part of a plan by George Soros to destabilize the country
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and foment a parliamentary coup d'etat.
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We could spend all day learning about the various authoritarian Nazi sympathizers and
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extreme right wing xenophobes who have used Soros as their scapegoat for the last few
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decades.
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But these two are some nice examples, and I think they demonstrate my point.
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Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the painting of Soros as a boogeyman who's trying to take
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over the country has always been used by people who do not want democratic ideals in their
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countries.
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Soros has spent millions and millions of dollars trying to support the implementation of liberal
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democracies in countries formerly under the rule of the Soviet Union because that is where
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he's from and because he knows how important those democratic ideals are.
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And see, here's where the cruel irony-
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It's like LeBron building a school in Cleveland.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's exactly that.
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100%.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And here's where the cruel irony of the world is.
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Traditional Republican foreign policy, the same party that is now under the sway of these
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anti-Soros narratives, you see it pop up even in Fox News, you see it pop up, the president.
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The mainstream GOP is very close to this anti-Soros narrative now, you see it all over the place.
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But traditional Republican foreign policy is 100% in line with what Soros did in the
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aftermath of the Soviet Union.
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The GOP is historically Russophobic and generally is on the side of opening up countries to
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liberal democracy which inevitably leads to an open market for the country and all that
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other shit that they fucking love.
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But because Soros is also in favor of liberal ideals like rights for all people and not
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hating immigrants, they've given up all principles and fallen in line with Jan Slota and other
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fucking authoritarians who push propaganda.
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Now I think that is giving the GOP foreign policy a very positive spin, which it does
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not have.
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I said traditional.
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And you should not have said that either.
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Like the GOP has gone out of its way to prop up dictatorships everywhere.
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Where fucking Saudi Arabia exists.
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Undoubtedly.
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You know, like they don't care about democracy so much as the open markets part of what you
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said, but that is a part of what they put forth as their ideal.
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So maybe it should be purported ideals.
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Well, I suppose more, it is their ideal in those countries because there's already authoritarian
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rule and they're not playing ball.
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So they would just like to, so if they were, so if Russia was a great democracy and they
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weren't playing ball, then they would try and install a military dictatorship to play
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ball in the same way that when South American countries did it, they tried to, well didn't
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try, installed authoritarian regimes in order to, or Iran or, hey guys, we're great.
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So I think that what we've seen so far here is a little bit of a deconstruction about
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how historically so much of the criticism of Soros that falls into line with the sort
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of things that Alex is putting forth has been the work of European authoritarians early
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on and then as Putin has risen to power, he has consistently used Soros as a scapegoat
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for color revolutions.
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Anytime that he's sort of threatened that it's a Soros thing, and in 2009, that was
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the prevailing place that anti-Soros criticism was coming from.
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But these are fundamental shifts we're seeing take place in a relatively short period of
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time for Alex.
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I think there's no way around that and I strongly suspect they mean something.
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But the only way we can tell if there's possibly something behind this, the only way to tell
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is that we need to analyze some of the context and see what was going on in the world in
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April 2009 to see if there's any clues that might tell us about why Alex might begin this
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all of a sudden.
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Was Diamond Gusset Jeans bought out by a Russian company and then they bumped up their advertising
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on Alex's show on the GCN network, got a meeting with Ted Anderson, said, here's what we're
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going to do, we'll buy all your gold but let you run the place and have a complete ownership
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stake in it.
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It's very close.
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As long as Alex Jones just says, I hate Soros.
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It's very close.
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Actually, negotiations fell through for that because the Russians were trying to get Diamond
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Gusset to replace their theme song with the Tetris theme song.
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No, you can't do that.
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And just didn't work out.
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No, yeah, yeah, that's never going to go down.
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So Deal went south and- They did decide to make all their jeans though.
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That is why no one knows how big or small they may be.
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So relations between Russia and the United States were particularly frosty in the mid
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to late 2008 time span and into early 2009.
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There's that matter of Bush's plans to install anti-ballistic missiles in Poland and a radar
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station in the Czech Republic, things that Russia made very certain to make known that
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they saw as an act of aggression.
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Their ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Cherkin, said that the move would result in Russia
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reevaluating its strategic posture and possibly redeploying their own missiles.
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On the heel of that exchange of threats, Russia backed the separatists in Abkhazia and South
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Ossetia during the five-day war in August 2008 between the state of Georgia and what
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the rest of the world viewed as Russian occupying forces in the two breakaway regions.
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It was a coalition of the willing, Dan.
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Sure.
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Then, of course, on January 7th, 2009, Russia shut off all the gas flowing through Ukraine
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and precipitated a severe crisis of much of Europe, not having gas that they needed for
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heating during the depths of winter.
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As we saw when we listened to that episode, counter to almost unanimous international
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consensus, Alex's position on that crisis was that Ukraine shut off the gas.
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There are a lot of flare-ups and people were rightly concerned about what that would pretend
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between for the relations between the two major powers in geopolitics.
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On April 2nd, 2009, the G20 Summit occurred in London, which marked the beginning of increased
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efforts to repair the strained relations between the U.S. and Russia with talks between Obama
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and then-President of Russia Medvedev.
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Earlier, in March, Hillary Clinton had famously posed with Sergey Lavrov holding a prop reset
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button, intending to send the message that the two countries were putting the past behind
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them and moving forward.
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It was an NES reset button.
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That's true.
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So it didn't work as well?
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You had to jam it a bunch, you had to blow on it, and that's why it wound up breaking
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apart almost two years after.
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There are good reasons to think that this is possibly an effort that was being made
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to live in a more of a balanced world and put the Cold War mentality behind us and let
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it die, but that was only a public perception.
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In reality, the relationship between the two countries was not getting better.
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Part of this is due to the fact that though he was technically prime minister at the time
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and Medvedev was president, everyone knew that Vladimir Putin had never really stepped
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down from power and was really running things.
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He'd be president from the start of 2000 until May 2008, at which point he immediately became
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prime minister, serving that position until May 2012 when he once again became president.
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The Russian constitution doesn't allow for more than two consecutive terms for presidents,
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so Putin and Medvedev are engaged in what's known as a tandemocracy, where the two of
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them trade positions when the term limits kick in.
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When Putin became president again in 2012, he made Medvedev prime minister.
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Uh, Dan, when he was elected president with 97% of the votes, it was very democratic.
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It was close to 70%, but I get what you're saying.
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When Russian citizens protest this clear corruption that the state is doing, the idea that these
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two men are just trading positions in order to retain a stranglehold on power, it's constitutional.
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When they, when people protest this, the state points to their protest as clear signs of
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things like color revolutions being carried out by internationalists like George Soros.
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Somebody is fomenting these.
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They're paid protesters, Dan.
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You bet.
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It's almost like the rhetoric that a far right authoritarian dictatorship like Russia uses
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in order to demonize reasonable rational protesters has become de rigueur for far right nationalist
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politicians in the United States who just so happened to go under the same banner.
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It does seem that way.
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And what's interesting to me is like we see here this sort of historical hatred of Soros,
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in 2009, in the lead up to 2009, there is very clearly a reason that Soros and Putin
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are at loggerheads.
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We see the sort of tension between the United States and Russia at that time where, you
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know, outright antagonism or aggression would not work.
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There's the outward appearance of trying to make the relationship better, but what would
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work is information warfare.
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So the idea that Putin, since 1975, was in the KGB in the foreign intelligence office,
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it seems like...
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Specializing in propaganda.
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It seems like his move would be to let Medvedev go out there and pretend to be having these,
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you know, let's make our relationship better talks and at the same time trying to find...
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Actively undermining those talks.
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Through demonization of both Obama and creating this Soros narrative, because it's important
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to destabilize the valid criticisms of what his country is doing in the region.
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Absolutely.
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So I think that that's there.
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And I don't think it's crazy to look at that and think that there is a connection, but
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this is again where we need to take a step back and say, all of this stuff looks bad.
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There's a historical piece of it.
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There's a present piece of it in 2009, but none of it is to say that Russia told Alex
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to do this.
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Of course not.
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It's just so much circumstance.
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And even then, even had Russia, as far as like a, hey, let's prove it goes, even had
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Russia told Alex directly, they would have done it through four different shell companies,
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eight different people and a video chat, I guess, apparently according to Alex's history.
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Here is my question with this, like watching the extent to which right-wing propaganda
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has utterly dominated Russia for...
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And then to see it metastasize the way that it has worldwide.
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And to see the way that, you know, like it's always going to be the fact checkers are going
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to be on the defensive and they're never going to win in the same way that the rushing hacking,
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like you can have a great defense cybersecurity system, but it's never going to defeat the
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people who are spending all of their time on the offensive, you know, like white versus
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black and chess.
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It's like Roger Stone, always attack.
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Exactly.
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Is there any, do you see a way that right-wing propaganda is actually defeated in either
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country or in any of these countries?
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Like is there a way to win?
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No.
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Cool.
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I like that you prefaced this by like, this is going to be a speculative question and
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then, no, there's a concrete answer.
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No, I really don't think there is.
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I think you can have little wins here and there.
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And I think it's important to deconstruct this stuff and try and understand it.
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And there's a win for us and our listeners to an extent, you know, like having a more
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robust understanding of where a lot of these ideas come from and what's really behind them,
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where there's truth, where there's not.
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But no, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, I think that one of the things that is great,
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great, wrong word, that's so effective about propaganda is it targets people where they
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live.
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It targets them in their weak spots.
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That's a huge part of how the entire marketing is a version of propaganda and all of that
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discipline that's grown up from the early days of advertising and disinformation, all
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of those things tied together, it's become so effective.
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And the people who practice it understand that in order to get a bad message across
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or maybe a message that you're not inclined to believe, whether it's the Jews are evil
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or you need these shoes, you kind of have to give a secondary message that you attach
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to the other message in order to sort of Trojan horse it into people.
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And I don't think you're ever going to be able to overcome that with reason, logic or
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truth.
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I really don't.
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So then do you realize that the conclusion to draw from that then is not we should be
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battling evil right wing propaganda with reason and facts and logic and should instead create
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our evil left wing propaganda.
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I think that when you see things that are called liberal propaganda, it's always things
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like appeals to people's rights and stuff like that.
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On our last episode, we heard that guy from Black Pilled talking about the liberal propaganda
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of interracial relationships in movies.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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That's accused of being liberal propaganda, right?
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I think there is probably like some smaller scale versions of like left people who use
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manipulative tactics in the same way as like Alex.
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But I couldn't come up with one off the top of my head.
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I think if they do exist, they're very unsuccessful.
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They don't make a difference and no one really listens to them.
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I don't know.
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Have we considered turning ourselves into a consulting business for left wing propaganda?
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I think you've considered that on the show, like seven times at least.
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I know a bunch.
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But I'm really putting that out there.
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I'm putting that out into the look.
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I'm actually what I'd really be interested in is you just trying to fucking tie me into
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that.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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I think in terms of your consultancy business, I might be the most important piece of your
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house would just be yellow.
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Hold on.
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Hold on.
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Not not true at all.
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Not true at all.
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I have years of our podcast to go back and listen to and use that.
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Oh, yeah.
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You got to listen back to it, though, because you don't remember any of this shit.
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I could, of course, just point them to the podcast, but that's not the point.
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Maybe we wouldn't get any fees.
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I suppose I'd really be interested to know if there is like a Russian analog for our
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podcast.
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It would be way more brave than what we do.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Oh, absolutely.
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For now, Alex jumps off the Soros topic and gets into a couple of things that are just
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kind of a little bit fun.
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And because we've done some of the offshoot episodes that we've done, we know now that
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these things are bullshit.
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I want folks to know I went into this willingly.
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I want that on record.
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As an example to you, not some people down the road say, oh, man, Alex had incredible
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courage.
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Look what he did.
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He knew what he was doing.
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Because it does take this type of sacrifice, at least, you know, even having your name
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destroyed to knock the barbed wire down, to go on air first and say 9-11's an inside job
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and be attacked by everybody.
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On the morning it happened, in two weeks before, a month before, two months before.
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Go ask Bill Cooper, Dick.
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Nice.
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So because we did that episode, now we can hear that clip and we don't have to just say
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Alex is lying about this.
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Now we have it inside of our canon of awareness, which is fun.
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So go fuck yourself, Alex.
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In this next clip, this one is crazy.
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So Alex is really into still pushing the Obama deception and he thinks that it's going to
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be the bit, you know, it's the silver bullet and what have you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's right.
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He thinks there's a silver bullet.
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I appreciate that our listeners, a number of them donate, you know, two bucks a month
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or something like that.
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And asking them to makes me feel gross.
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Listen to this next clip and listen to what Alex is asking of his audience, because this
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is so fucking gross.
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I want you to go to info wars dot com and scroll down the page and right there is the
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Obama deception is free, as free as rain, as free as the driven snow.
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And I want you to buy it for 30 that one version of hundreds, a million, 200,000 views, high
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quality for being free.
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Get it out to everybody.
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Don't take it for granted.
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Keep getting it out.
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Holland, every talk show, plug it, buy the DVD and support us at info wars.com.
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So far, okay.
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That is all just sort of like, yeah, it's self-promotion.
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It's a little bit.
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It's a little bit brazen.
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Sure.
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But as far as it's gone, I mean, the only financial thing here is, you know, buy the
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DVD, buy the DVD, even though it's free.
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The rest of it is a lot of like, help get the word out.
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Yeah, I'm not against that, but it goes off the rails so fucking hard.
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Make copies aggressively.
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You know what it's going to do to them if you go buy a DVD duplicator and you go buy
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a thousand, sell all the junk, the jet ski you don't use, whatever out of the garage.
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What?
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And you sit in there every day burning hundreds of copies and putting them on cars and giving
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them to people.
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You know what's going to happen if you do that in your sector?
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We're going to beat these people.
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We're unstoppable, but you got to turn the power loose.
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That's crazy.
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First of all, he's asking people to sell their jet skis in order to buy a DVD burner or whatever
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when he owns multiple boats that he's not selling in order to, hey, why don't you just
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give them out for free, Alex?
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Then also quit your job.
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It doesn't seem to...
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Move into your garage, just burn DVDs all day.
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I want to say in Alex's defense...
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Like a blacksmith in the 1500s.
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In Alex's defense, he's not saying quit your job.
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It's not clear how many hours he wants them to put in a day.
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That's true, that's true.
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Could be a side hustle.
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Could be a side hustle.
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But at the same time, it's so much of an ask.
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That's so much to ask of people who are listening to you.
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I understand, go to my website, watch the film, if you like it, please tell people about
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it.
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Buy a copy, it helps support what we do.
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That sort of thing is like, all right, that's reasonable.
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Sell your jet ski.
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Listen, I want every policy wonk to buy three million fucking thumb drives, download every
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episode of our podcast onto those thumb drives and just throw them off the overpass at a
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fucking...
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On 94, I want every car to be hit with a thumb drive with all the knowledge right on it.
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And while you're loading up those thumb drives, you better do it in your garage.
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And I will say this, if you don't have a garage, work harder, get a building with a garage.
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And then you can do this, because otherwise you're not really a policy wonk.
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See now, here's the other thing though.
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That's a little too aspirational for Alex.
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We're telling people to then get a job.
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Get a...
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Hey, you know what?
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Quit your job.
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Get a better job so you can afford the garage.
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And then quit that job so you can burn our knowledge.
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Get a better job so you can do what we abusively are asking you to do to support our own ambitions.
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Oh, man, we're pretty wild.
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Pretty wild.
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So at this point, Jordan, interestingly on this April 8th episode, Alex has a guest.
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Okay.
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That's a guest we've met before.
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George Soros.
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A guest that we just saw reappear in 2018.
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It's Stuart Rhodes, the guy who started Oath Keepers.
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Dan, you're not...
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Are you aware of what's gonna happen?
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Nope.
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Because I'm sick of you drawing these fucking perfect parallels on a day-to-day basis.
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It's part of what...
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It's infuriating.
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It's part of what I was talking to you before the show about how uncomfortable I am with
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all of this.
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It's really disconcerting.
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I think I texted you, warning you that this episode is gonna be weird, and you were like,
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I'm fine.
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And I texted you back like, I'm just trying to talk through what I'm looking at.
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This is very, very strange to me.
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So Stuart Rhodes shows back up here on the exact same day that Alex has decided to go
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demonize George Soros.
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I think that is probably a coincidence.
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I think that's almost certainly a coincidence.
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It's interesting timing, but I think that that doesn't mean anything.
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Right.
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It could be, although, a little bit more like the way I treat Chinese food, wherein if I've
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made a big decision, I need to work it out through my comfort food.
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So he's just made a big change in 2009.
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He's just made a big change in 2018, maybe, maybe, could be.
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I think in 2018, you're probably right.
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I think...
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Or 2019, whatever it is.
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Yeah, yeah, 2019.
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I think you're totally right in terms of...
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Still right in 2009 on my checks, baby.
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I think that Stuart Rhodes showing up in present day is much more indicative of that.
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But in this case, I don't necessarily think so, because I don't think the two of them
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know each other very well.
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They'd only had one interview at this point, probably talked off air a little bit.
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But you can even hear from their interaction that they aren't super tight in the same way
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that they will become.
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But it could be, you know what, maybe that's even more important.
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Maybe it's like your fuck buddy.
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You've had a long run.
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You just got out of a relationship.
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You text your fuck buddy, hey, you up?
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And then they come on your show.
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Then shit gets real weird.
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And they come on your show.
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So in this interview, in this disappearance that Stuart Rhodes does, he's trying to promote
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the first real public meeting of the Oath Keepers that they're putting out.
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And what they're going to do is they're going to meet at Lexington and Concord, and they're
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gonna have a big ceremony where all these police and military people reaffirm their
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oath to protect the United States from enemies, foreign and domestic.
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That sort of thing.
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So as they're having this conversation and Stuart is giving these plugs, Alex has a vision.
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That's where we had the first shots fired in the American Revolution.
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That's where it all began.
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And so we're gonna be standing there and that's where we're gonna have our first public meeting
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of Oath Keepers is gonna be right there.
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I just had a vision.
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I just had a vision.
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I've got to stop shooting by the end of April for my new Obama film.
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I'm gonna send a camera crew and show this event at the end of the film about this being
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the solution.
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It's the final solution?
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It's the solution to the problems that Alex puts forth.
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He has now taken on the Oath Keepers as something very large.
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And I think that one thing that we probably maybe mis-escribed was the idea that Alex
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glommed on to the Oath Keepers.
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I think the Oath Keepers glommed on to him.
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I think he made the Oath Keepers because they didn't really exist in any large way when
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Stuart made his first appearance on the show.
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Yeah, that's true.
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In this episode, they're having a conversation and he says that they got tons of responses
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from being on Alex's show.
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So the last time he was on was only a couple of months ago.
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No, maybe in our timeline, but like a week and a half, two weeks ago in Alex Jones' time.
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Yeah, it's very recent.
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So the moment Alex has the Oath Keepers founder on, the Oath Keepers at the time are pretty
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much nothing.
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Has the Oath Keepers founder on?
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I mean, his website's still like a blog spot.
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Something like that.
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Yeah.
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Even now in 2019?
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No.
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At this point in 2009.
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Oh, in this point.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So all of a sudden, he gets a massive response from that.
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A lot more people want to join the Oath Keepers.
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He's staying in contact with Alex.
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Alex loves militias of all kinds.
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It's kind of a symbiotic relationship.
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Gotcha.
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And I think that what Alex's vision was, was that this is a way to reclaim the Patriot
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energy that is in the world right now through Glenn Beck, through the rising of the Tea
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Party and make it my version.
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My version is this version.
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The other version is the counterfeit version, which he spells out in this next clip.
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They created the fake militia so the media could then demonize it and attack it.
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And the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center got caught running these groups.
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Mainstream News has reported on that, Elohim City.
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So that's the groups we're talking about, the real militia versus the counterfeit militia,
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like we're the real Patriot movement.
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Then you've got Glenn Beck, who's definitely an operative.
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Definitely an operative.
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Definitely an operative.
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And when Alex says that, Stuart Rhodes laughs.
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There's sort of a knowing like, yeah, he is.
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But at the same time, the Oath Keepers are a part of the Tea Party.
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They were a part of it.
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It wasn't separate or anything like that.
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And so the idea that they're sort of scoffing at the Tea Party, not the whole Tea Party,
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but the Glenn Beck part of it, it does lead one to suspect that they might have a slight
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external motive with it.
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That one's really inconclusive.
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I can't really step my foot down on any direction on that one.
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All right.
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Wait for like four more clips.
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Okay.
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Well, see, this is a problem with me not having all the information in advance.
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I know.
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God damn it, dad.
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So they're talking, Stuart Rhodes and Alex are talking, and Alex gets into what the globalists
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want to do.
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And we know that they want to kill the middle class.
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We know that.
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Do we?
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Well, from Alex's rhetoric, we know that that's what he believes, but he adds a little bit
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of a bow on it on this episode.
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They want war.
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Look, these globalists, these socialists, they socialize our wealth, these controllers,
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they want a Russian revolution here, folks.
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It's the same crew.
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And I'm here to tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that they intend to march the
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military and the police in against the American people.
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They've always hated you.
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They've always had your freedom.
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They want to loot the middle class and give it all to George Soros, who says he loves
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the crisis.
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He engineered the crisis.
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He's having the time of his life.
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In fact, where's that headline?
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Where's that headline?
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Not where's that article?
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Where's that headline?
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That's pathetic.
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Dan, can you think of somebody right now who has absolutely is continuing to try and destroy
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the middle class?
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Somebody who has engineered a crisis.
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I can think of a number of people.
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Somebody who is reveling in it.
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Somebody who is, I don't know, a Nazi collaborator.
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Can you think of anybody?
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Familial Nazi collaborator.
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Can you think of anybody who may fit those descriptions?
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Somebody who may have said that we should put boots on the ground in the United States.
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Maybe someone who said that eugenics is real and he has good German blood.
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Somebody like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anybody else?
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Nah, I can't think about that.
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No, no, nobody.
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That person does not exist, and if they did, Alex would never love them.
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And they would never become the president of the goddamn United States.
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So what we have here is Alex, like that is a strong indication to me right there of Alex,
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I don't know how to put this, other than I feel like someone told him something.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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This doesn't appear to be any kind of real, like, I've known about Soros forever.
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He is an asshole.
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Fuck that guy.
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Yeah.
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Or whatever.
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Because like I said repeatedly already in this episode, there are ways to do that.
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There's ways to present that in a natural way, which is, like I said, my research team
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dug this up.
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Yeah.
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Or, hey, look, I overlooked an element.
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Any of those sorts of things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But instead, he's pitching a lot of the same narratives that he does all the time and then
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throwing in, like, they're trying to create this socialist state and destroy the middle
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class and give it to George Soros.
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Yeah.
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He's adding it on as an addendum, and it seems forced to a certain extent.
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All he needs to do is say that this is the culmination of his research up until this
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point.
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It would work.
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That George Soros is this guy.
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That would work.
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We've always been pointing towards the Rockefellers and all this stuff, but I have received new
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information that ties all of these schemes together.
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Or even do the other version of it that is, like, David Rockefeller is too old, and the
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heir apparent is Soros.
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Right, right, right.
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Do any of those sorts of things, and now you have me sort of on the ropes.
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Yeah.
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We can still talk about the tradition of hating Soros and how this is still popping up out
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of nowhere, but it takes away a little bit of the sting of the coming out of nowhere.
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Because you ease it in.
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You ease it in with a natural...the way people present information, I guess.
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Because you need a context for it, and he's doing this with no context.
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There is nothing.
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I've listened to every episode that Alex Jones has put out from late 2008 to now we're in
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April of 2009.
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Every single episode, if you consider all of that time, it's probably 500 hours of his
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broadcasting.
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And I can say unequivocally with no reservation, with no exaggeration or anything, that this
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is not...it's not normal.
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This is very abnormal, and it can't be dealt with as anything other than that.
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I am certain that someone told him something about Soros or be like, hey, Soros is your
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new target.
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And in 2019, when he was staying up to cover Trump's speech, we heard him turn to Roger
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and be like, who's the new enemy?
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So we know that that's kind of a thing that he does.
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He kind of needs somebody to focus his energy in a certain direction.
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Because he's not going to do the research.
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He can't read.
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He's not going to do any of it.
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He can't read.
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In that last clip, he said, where's the headline?
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Where's the headline?
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Not where's the article.
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He's not interested in the body of the article.
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Where's the information?
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He's not interested in the book.
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He's interested in the title.
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That's all that he has.
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He has nothing.
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And this is where we get to that speculation truth line.
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I suppose one of the other big factors that I'm considering with this is Soros's speech.
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His speech is in February 23rd.
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Op-ed.
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Op-ed.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Apologize.
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And then this is April 8th.
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And it seems like if there was a direct connection, that would be a long period of time.
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That month?
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Yeah.
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Hold onto that thought.
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But in 2009, it's important to remember, this is 10 years ago.
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Like now, that connection could have been one tweet that was sent out.
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And over a day, every single human being who is in these circles would have been connected
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to it.
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That's true.
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So there's far more likelihood of it being a kind of meme that took on its own powers
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now.
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Oh, sure.
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Back then, it would be a much more protracted game of telephone, or this person talks to
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this person.
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Right.
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The sort of influence feelers going out and stuff like that.
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Exactly.
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Who knows?
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It's kind of the timeline, it's actually worse than you think.
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But hold onto that thought.
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Okay.
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Because...
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We're going to watch the movie Timeline.
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Ladies and gentlemen.
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Timeline.
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No, so he's still talking to Stuart Rhodes, and at this point, Stuart is talking a lot
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of shit about this Daily Kos writer, who he says is like encouraging the United States
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Army to blow up militia people's houses with their children in it.
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Sounds like Daily Kos.
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It's not.
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I read the article.
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It's about how he got a really shitty email, or I think it was a comment on his blog from
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a guy who was in a militia about the, like, hey man, you live in a different America than
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us.
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We love freedom and all this.
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And it was vaguely threatening.
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This comment that this writer got was very much like...
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Being in a militia is vaguely threatening.
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This guy had good syntax, though, so I appreciated that.
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He actually was a pretty decent writer in this comment, but what he was expressing was
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an idea that, like, you're on this side, you're brainwashed, you're indoctrinated, we love
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freedom and all that, and there may come a time when you're dead because of us.
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That sort of thing.
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And this guy, this Daily Kos writer, was talking about, like, do you think for one second these
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assholes out there cosplaying are going to actually have any impact against the United
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States Army?
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Do you think that is possible?
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Do you think that these dicks are going to go out there and strap explosives to themselves
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and run into an army base?
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Do you think they're going to do that?
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Absolutely not.
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Do you think that they're going to be able to pierce armor with the weapons they need?
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They're going to wage a war of pointlessness.
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That sort of thing.
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That's the article that this guy wrote.
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Stuart Rhodes is presenting it as, this guy is lusting after them killing us.
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And it's a classic misunderstanding that these people on the right do in terms of creating
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their own victimhood out of someone being like, look, you don't have a chance against
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the biggest army in the world.
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History.
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Yeah.
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The world history.
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It's a nonsensical struggle, so what you should direct your attention to is the places where
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we actually have a way to change things, which is through the democratic process.
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I like you, I like us having to note that a militia member wrote a, like, grammatically
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well, well commented, like, the next.
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There's so many of them that aren't.
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Like the next Salinger is a non-commissioned officer in a militia, you know, like that
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kind of thing.
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So this Daily Coast writer has written this thing that is really offensive to Stuart Rhodes.
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And I'll, whatever, I think that's a, I mean, from reading it, I know that what he's doing
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is misrepresenting it, and I don't really care to go over it more than we already have.
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I don't want to listen to him talk for like ten minutes about how they want to kill our
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children and stuff like that, because it's nonsense.
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Right, but the real threat that he's, the real threat that he's getting from the Daily
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Coast writer, based on your characterization of what the writer said, was you're calling
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us cucks.
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Like you're, my real issue with you is you're saying that we're ineffectual bullshit artists,
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and we're not capable of doing any of this shit.
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Interestingly, that's not anywhere near Stuart's complaint, although when the article is discussed,
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that is Alex's complaint.
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Well, it's Stuart's complaint, too.
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It's not.
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No, no, no, I mean like psychologically.
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No, he's just using it as a piece of propaganda, because he knows what the author was saying,
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and he doesn't give a fuck about that, but because he's talking about like, are you willing
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to go to war with the United States military, knowing that, you know, if you do, they're
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just going to bomb your house with your wife inside, which was intentionally trying to
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draw a parallel to what the United States does in foreign countries, that sort of thing.
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You know, there's sort of literary aspects to it in terms of what the guy at the coast
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was writing.
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So his whole thing is just trying to create a propaganda piece out of it where it's like,
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they want to kill our families.
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I don't think he's offended by the idea of them being called weak or soft, but Alex,
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whenever they're talking about it, that's the first thing that he gloms on to, and he's
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like, they're calling...
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Well, I think in the article, it's like, you think these bitches would be out there with
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bombs going to military bases and like that, and Alex immediately is like, they're calling
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us bitches.
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They're trying...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so, yeah, it is interesting that you brought that up, but it's what Alex's instinct is,
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not Stuart's.
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Stuart is, I mean, he's a military man, so he...
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Oh, so Stuart would totally run a bomb up on somebody.
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And more to the point, he's to the point, and he's interested in the mission, which
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is creating the idea that all of these people on the left and these media figures are lusting
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after the idea of killing our families, which is more important to him than preserving his
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masculinity in some way, but that's still important to Alex.
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So that is actually really fascinating.
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I didn't intend to talk about that, but your instincts about all this world are so sharp,
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but they're just about Alex.
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And then you say that I can't get hired as a consultant for evil left-wing propaganda?
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Still think you need me.
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But...
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Oh, God damn it, Dan.
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You know what?
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I have the broad spectrum.
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I'm going to admit it.
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I do.
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Thank you.
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I'll bring you on.
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I need you to.
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I'm going to give you a starting salary that's well below mine, though.
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Don't know how to take that, but I'll accept it.
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Probably still better, probably better hours than this podcast, so maybe that works.
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So they're talking about this article, and I didn't bring this up for no reason.
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I brought it up because this next clip, Alex is responding to and talking about how bad
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this Daily Coast writer is.
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And what do you know?
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Says something about Soros.
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We're the subhuman Americans that are pro-gun and pro-freedom that built the country.
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We're the subhumans that pay his George Soros paycheck that they've sucked out of our economy.
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Wow.
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Everything goes back to Soros on this episode, literally everything.
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So now Soros is paying Daily Coast writers.
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He runs Air America.
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He's in charge of Media Matters.
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He's trying to demonize Alex across the board.
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He's in charge of writing a bunch of stuff about the IMF and how they're going to take
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over everything.
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This next clip, Alex just does an impression of somebody who takes Soros money, which is
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fun.
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God, I can't wait.
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We're so close to getting these gun owners.
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We're so close to bombing their families.
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Oh, God, I've got foundation money and Soros money.
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We're butchering America.
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The global tax is here.
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We stalled the people long enough and we're so close to turn the military and police against
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the people.
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It's going to be so good.
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Oh, we can't wait to destroy America.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Oh, it's so good.
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When I was listening to that, first of all, it's stupid.
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But the second thing-
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That was a bad impression, by the way.
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Yeah, not good.
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We don't sound like Alex.
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He just sounded like him.
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I really think that I should have had this thought before this, since we've been doing
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this for two years.
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You would think.
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One of the first times that I realized how bad that rant would sound without the music
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and the pressure of an out, like the commercial out.
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Oh, yeah.
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If there was just a-
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Without the music would be pathetic.
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And then without the, like, I know it's going to commercial so I don't have to say anything
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after it.
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Yeah.
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Holy shit.
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He'd just be lost without a map.
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He'd be a man at sea in a dinghy.
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But we have kind of, we've touched on that before in that he's a broadcaster.
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You got to give the man credit for knowing how to hit an out, you know?
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No, I know.
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I think that those are two sides of the same coin in many ways.
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Giving him his props as a broadcaster is one thing.
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The realization is very similar that, man, that rant would be so pathetic without music.
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He's playing to the music.
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It's the recognizing what he brings to the table and what the music brings to the table.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's interesting the symbiosis of it because, like, you hear that and it's kind of triumphant
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and if you're dumb and you believe in him, it's like, oh, that's invigorating.
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Yeah.
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You take away that music.
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That rant is real weak.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, in this next clip, Alex says something, oh, what a shock.
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More stuff about Soros.
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And this is kind of weird.
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Now, you're going to see the Comentelpro operatives and their unwitting dupes who are just conned.
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Continuing to try and undermine Black people, right?
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And other books and magazine articles that I've seen over the years where they're claiming,
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oh, my God, the Republican Party is the right wing militias that want to overthrow the government
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and kill everybody.
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Not militias, they're white people.
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That's George Soros propaganda.
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George Soros propaganda.
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When you read in any of these publications that come out that the right wing has militias.
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That's because they have militias.
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That's George Soros propaganda.
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Oh, okay.
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I didn't know that.
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So that's an interesting position for him to take.
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And this is something that I can't make more clear, especially after that clip.
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Alex has not said any of these things in the past.
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When he's talked about the demonization of his weirdo patriot militia family, the time
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to talk about this was when the Mayak report came out.
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He's not bringing up the Mayak report in this, is he?
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No, but the Mayak report is a perfect example of him.
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That's what I'm saying.
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He should have brought up Soros when that came up, if it was a part of his cognizance.
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Or he should bring up the Mayak report now.
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I think he is spiritually on some level.
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I think he's implying it to the listener.
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The listener who's in the know will hear that sort of thing about the militias and stuff
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like that.
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And they'll understand what he's talking about.
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That's different.
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I can't give his listeners any ability to be in the know.
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That's different.
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First off.
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But it's a different thing.
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That is a soft appeal to the Mayak report through a attack on George Soros.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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The opposite is what's more important, is that when the direct attack on the Mayak report
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happened, there was no mention of George Soros.
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There wasn't a single... And that was the day when he was freaking out on air about
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the idea that they're demonizing the militias and the people like Ron Paul supporters and
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Chuck Baldwin and all these people.
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They're trying to say that we're all terrorists.
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Not a single fucking word about George Soros being involved in any of that.
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So this to me is one of the most clear-cut examples that when the Mayak report came out,
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which again is about a month from when we're talking about.
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It's not super far connected.
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It seems like it because of how slowly we're going through 2000.
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Right, right, right, right.
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In our timeline.
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In Alex Jones' timeline, it's very compact.
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It's very close together.
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And when he's going through the fake avian flu narrative that he went through, when he's
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doing his FEMA camp rebuttal about Glenn Beck, all those things that have been in very close
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recent memory, not a single fucking word about George Soros.
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And on this episode, 50 plus mentions of him being deeply intrinsically involved with all
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of these evil operations.
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It's suspicious as fuck.
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To go from no mentions to five mentions.
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Wouldn't be that crazy.
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Not crazy.
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Now, I probably, we would be dealing, we have a very different episode.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We'd still talk about it.
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We would note it.
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We would note it.
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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We would definitely say that this is a narrative pivot.
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This is an addition.
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To go from zero mentions to 50 mentions is a very different thing.
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And as I keep bringing up.
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That is a monetary thing.
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If you go from zero to 50, there is a way to do that, but you need the ramp that takes
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you from zero to 50.
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Without it, it's just, what, how are you supposed to make that jump?
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You can't make that jump.
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And that's what Alex is doing.
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He's trying to jump Snake River Canyon without a rocket pack and without a fucking ramp.
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He's trying to get over this gap of, I never talked about Soros, even though I talked about
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the exact same things I'm demonizing him about now, to the other side of it where we all
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hate Soros.
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Right guys?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And there's none of the work that needs to be done.
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There's none of the context.
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I mean this sincerely.
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If he had just presented this as my guys sat down for two days straight, they were sitting
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at their laptops and they did nothing but research and they read all these documents
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and everything, I, I'd still have the same suspicion, but it would not be as glaring.
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This is too glaring.
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It's too much.
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It's it's a bridge too far for me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I want to add more to that, but you're fucking, what else is there to say?
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This is suspicious as fuck.
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It's pretty crazy.
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I don't know what, I don't know how better to put it.
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So it's, it gets even more suspicious when Alex reveals on this episode that not only
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does George Soros hate him, he also hates the Oath Keepers.
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Well, George Soros and their crowd are hopping mad because believe me, we are the resistance.
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You want to know who's resisting this new world order?
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You want to know who's at the tip of the spear and who's affecting change and, and, and who
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they're worried about?
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That clip wasn't so great, but the context of it is him talking to Stuart Rhodes and
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talking about how like he's hopping mad about what we're doing.
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You want to know who the enemies are, they're us, but that sort of thing.
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So I mean, he's trying to bring Stuart Rhodes even into his, like be in my family here with
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this.
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And that's weird because Alex wasn't doing this before, like when he had Stuart Rhodes
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on before he wasn't talking about Soros.
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The interview, the last interview he did with him, this is so incongruous.
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It's crazy.
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But I would be interested in, and unfortunately this is probably a, a Herculean task of research
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that no researcher would ever be able to do.
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I can't think of any, no, I can't think of any researcher who would have the ability
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to kind of go through just all of the right wing information around this time period and
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see where Soros popped up in most of these places.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Like at this point in time.
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I find a lot of that and it's not, there's not much.
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There was the predating Bill O'Reilly report, I believe it was 2007 when he did a report
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about George Soros being super evil.
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But it seemed like such a, like out of left field kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like it just seemed like, and he doubled back on it.
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It was a bit of a one-off.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It didn't, it didn't hold water.
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It didn't catch.
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No.
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And, and I don't know what to make of that because I think that there's a possibility
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that that was an opening salvo of some sort or a trial run or soft launch or something.
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I think it's possible that that's what it is.
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Or it's just Bill needed a story and he, he just came up with something.
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One of his writers came up, it's, it's impossible for me to really sort out what Bill O'Reilly
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was doing in 2007.
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It's weird.
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That's actually when Bob Odenkirk was writing for Bill O'Reilly and he wrote the, he wrote
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the Soros sketch.
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It was a parody.
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It was a great sketch.
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Yeah.
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Or he and David Cross had, or no, this would have been way after.
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A little bit.
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Back when Bill O'Reilly and Bob Odenkirk were at MBAR doing their, doing their two man act.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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That was Dennis Miller.
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The thrilling adventure hour had just started.
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So I don't know what to make of that part of it.
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And it is interesting because like that is a question that I tried to wrestle with as
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I was doing the research for this episode.
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Of course.
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Because it would be really easy and very convenient for us to find a, something in April, like
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from the Drudge Report or something like that, they would be like, oh, this is where Alex
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is getting it from.
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This is, because then we could have, we wouldn't have to have the larger conversation about
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it or we would have to have the conversation of where the source got it from.
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Or more importantly, if there was a barrage of shit around this time, if there was a concerted
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media effort around this time, that's a whole different story.
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Absolutely not.
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Exactly.
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And like I said, the only antecedent I can think of was Bill O'Reilly in 2007.
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And that was just a weird fucking show that he did and it was a one-off and he didn't
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follow up on it at all, left it alone.
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And then you get to like, what was it, 2010, 2011 when Glenn Beck did his disgraceful Soros,
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the puppet master thing that we covered.
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And at that point, Alex is like, Soros isn't the puppet master, he's just a middle management
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guy.
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Yeah.
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So he's doubled back on it by that point, which makes this even more suspicious.
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This is weird.
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It's very weird.
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This is weird.
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It's very weird.
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I don't like it.
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So in this next clip, Alex explains that all criticism of him basically probably is just
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COINTELPRO.
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Of course.
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That's why we have Republicans and Democrats, you have Glenn Beck saying the FEMA camps
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aren't real, we're all cooks, you know, a restaurant, Paul supporters, but then he's
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still our best friend, you've got all the big liberal sides doing it and their own members
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are posting, the majority of comments are countering them going, no, no, Alex Jones
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is good, you know, he calls for non-violence as they go, Jones says kill cops.
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This isn't going to work and anybody you hear putting that out as an operative, folks, you
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want to know instantly who an operative is, that's how you know.
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So he's essentially ascribing like most criticism of him because he's misrepresenting and miss
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understanding the criticism of him that does exist.
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So he's just saying that like, hey, if you hear bad shit about me, it's probably an operative,
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which I think is a cowardly way to go about it.
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I would say...
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You might as well just say if you hear bad information about me, they're a suppressive
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person.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, we have one more clip left here from April 8th and this clip is interesting.
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It's Stuart Rhodes trying to pimp the tea party and then Alex Jones says something fucked
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up.
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I recommend that people find out about the tea party.
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Nearest to them, there's going to be 150, I've seen that number up to 1,000 in different
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cities in the United States.
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And we use that...
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I'm sorry, I always interrupt.
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We use that to go out and educate and, quote, radicalize the people that are there to the
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full spectrum.
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Go ahead.
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So he's doing that, quote, radicalized to sort of make fun of the idea of like that's
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what the SPLC says we're doing.
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But it's literally what they're doing.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's like, hey, there's these people who are, you know, weirdo libertarian conservative
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types who are gravitating towards this anti-tax tea party thing.
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We go out there, that is our opportunity for a captive audience that we're going to fucking
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radicalize.
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Yeah.
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I know he's doing that to mock the mainstream media or whatever, but he knows that that's
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exactly what he's doing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's like an ISIS recruiter being like, okay, so we're going to turn you into
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a terrorist and then you're going to go to like, you can put it within scare quotes all
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you want, but that's what you're doing.
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So it doesn't matter how you say it.
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Yep, to some extent.
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And the proof of the pudding is in the eating because that is what happened.
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We're not doing this again.
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So Jordan, at this point, the show kind of ends.
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He has a interview with this guy named Michael Bagnerick.
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That's how Alex pronounces it.
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His name is actually Michael Badnerick, if you want to spell it correctly.
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It took me for fucking ever to find him on YouTube or on the Internet at all.
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He says Bagnerick instead of Badnerick.
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I'm like, oh, God, I can't find this guy.
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How does he have no Internet footprint?
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It's Badnerick, B-A-D-N-E-R-I-C.
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You can figure that out.
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Oh, Google didn't show you the, here's what we thought you were searching for results
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because that guy is not fucking there.
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It's not relevant.
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Gotcha.
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He's a guy who teaches constitutional classes.
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Gone accredited.
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I don't know.
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I don't give a fuck about this guy.
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He ran for president on the libertarian ticket.
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Good for him.
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How did he do?
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Not great.
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Now, Jordan, I should tell you, I lied to you.
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I'm sorry about that, but the structure of this episode demanded it.
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This is not the last clip from April 8th.
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It's the last clip from April 8th, but I lied to you about nothing important happening on
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April 7th.
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You son of a bitch.
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What are you, did you just fucking Inception us?
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No, I didn't.
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It's just how the narrative must go and how the playing out of this information must go.
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Because if I told you what I'm about to tell you at the beginning of this episode, it wouldn't
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really matter.
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But now it really, really does.
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Sometimes it concerns me that you sound like a benevolent race from a Doctor Who episode
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where you're like, you guys weren't ready for this information yet.
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And now we have brought you to the point where you can handle it.
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It's just the, you know, this is the idea of like, I'm not, I'm not trying to tell you
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a dishonest story, but I'm trying to explain what's going on between these two days.
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And yes, April 7th was really fucking boring, really boring.
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And the part that I'm about to play, you also kind of bored me until April 8th happened.
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And then this part of April 7th took on a new meaning.
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Okay.
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But first I want to play a part of this 10 minute interview Russia Today did with me.
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The rest is up on infowars.com, I think one of the fairest interviews that I've ever done.
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They just asked the questions and let me answer them and didn't even really edit it.
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Just amazing to see that going on.
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One of the fairest interviews he's ever done.
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And before I say anything more, I want to make clear about one thing.
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I don't think that the mere fact of appearing on RT means anything.
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I don't think that all anchors or guests there are Putin stooges.
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That's nonsense and an expression of a deeply simplistic and Russophobic mindset.
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I don't believe that.
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I absolutely don't believe that.
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I think there are people who believe that and they think that they aren't engaging with
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reality.
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And I want to make that abundantly clear.
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That being said, the network is state-owned.
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So this interview, Alex says, is the most good, like it's the best interview he's ever
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done.
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It's the fairest interview.
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Fairest interview he's ever done.
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So this is on the April 7th episode, the day before he launches his Soros offensive.
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I don't understand.
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This interview was aired on RT on April 6th.
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No idea.
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So there is an interesting thing here where I don't know what connection you're trying
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to draw here, because I don't see any.
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Like right now, I'm not trying to draw anything other than coincidental connections.
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So here is where the interview starts.
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Alex starts.
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Oh, we're listening to the RT interview too.
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Well, we're going to listen to what Alex plays of it, but I'll also say that what he plays
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of it is strongly indicative of the whole interview.
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He's not misrepresenting that interview at all.
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I watched the entire thing.
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I was thinking about like completely out of character.
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I was thinking about pulling clips from it and I actually did record all of it in preparation
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to pull clips from it.
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But then when I listened back to what Alex plays, I'm like, oh no, that's pretty much
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all of your points.
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So we can listen to Alex's like introduction of it.
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We can hear the clips from his show and trust me, it's indicative.
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So here he starts and we'll see what he says.
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Okay, let's go ahead and go to this Russia Today piece because a lot of folks are watching
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at prisonplanet.tv or want to hear the audio as the radio listeners.
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So we'll go ahead and play that for everybody.
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And I think I succinctly in 10 minutes, boil things down very simply to the world audience.
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Here it is.
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RT is in Austin, Texas, catching up with radio talk show host and documentary filmmaker Alex
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Jones.
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Alex, thanks for sitting down with us today.
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The first question is, several months after Obama stepped in as president of the United
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States, you make a documentary calling him a deceiver.
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Why?
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He said he wouldn't hire a lobbyist.
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All he's done is hire a high powered lobbyist at every level of government.
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And he's handed the country over to the oligarchs, the international bankers.
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That's just Alex Jones repeating narratives from the Obama deception.
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The idea that he has lobbyists all over the place.
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You talked about the lobbyists that he individually points out and many of them aren't lobbyists.
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They're just people who he has deemed lobbyists.
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Some of them were lobbyists, which I believe we were fair about.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Some of them.
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Yeah.
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But not all.
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Like the idea that he's infesting things with the lobbyists.
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So the interviewer asks, he's a deceiver, why?
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And the reason that he gives is a rehashing of the Obama deception narratives about this.
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That's not good to start out with.
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In this next clip from that interview, he basically denounces our government.
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And what you say is that the American government is a puppet of the new world order.
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Is that, is that right?
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Absolutely.
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I am a patriot.
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I believe in the free market.
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I believe in the red, white and blue constitution bill of rights and everything that the supposed
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government is doing is the opposite of that.
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Okay, cool.
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So now in this next clip, the interviewer started by saying that you call Obama a deceiver.
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And in this next clip, Alex literally says that Obama is a deceiver.
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There's just one thing that I really want to point out that I really want everybody
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to be clear on.
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And I think everybody kind of knows, but it's like those people who say they're into the
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constitution always say constitution and bill of rights and really never talk about any
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of them.
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Other amendments passed that no, cause they really don't like those amendments that pass.
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The civil war is all bullshit.
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They really don't like those amendments.
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Well, it's the same thing with those weird, like sec, uh, second vantists.
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Uh, there's, there's people who believe that like Pope Pius, the, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Everybody since then has been Vatican too.
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Yeah.
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Those are fun though.
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I like those guys.
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It's the same sort of mentality of the, everything past the 10th amendment has been bullshit
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or whatever.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Most of them think everything past the second amendment and none of the constitution is
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a, yeah.
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Right.
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So anyway, in this next clip, Alex actually calls Obama a deceiver.
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Right.
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How do you see Barack Obama as American president?
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President Barack Obama is a deceiver.
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He says one thing and then he does the opposite.
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And that's the only thing that is constantly Barack Obama.
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He bills himself as anti establishment, but really he is completely owned and paid for
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by the establishment.
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Here's the next clip.
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So how do you see the future of American politics?
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The United States is a corrupt empire that has been used by international banks and the
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global Heim syndicate to expand their empire worldwide.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That seems like something that Russia would be super interested in hearing based on the
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fact that they are going into Georgia, going into Ukraine and the United States is one
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of the people who are like, ah, hold on now.
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So you have one more clip from this interview with RT where Alex lists off his enemies.
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This interview came out on April 6th, 2009, two days before the episode that we're listening
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to.
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He's going to talk about his enemies on April 6th, 2009, two days before the episode we
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listened to.
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Dan, if I was going to make a prediction based upon the ominous way with which you, uh, introduced
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this clip, I would guess what?
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No mention of George Soros.
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You alleged that the Bilderberg group runs the world.
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Who are they exactly?
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The Bilderberg group is the queen of England, the queen of the Netherlands.
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It is the Rockefellers.
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It is the Rothschilds.
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They write books.
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They talk about it and the Rockefellers wrote a book four years ago saying he wants world
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government and the end of US sovereignty.
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And they are these incredibly wealthy, powerful families that play with nations and whole
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populations like their little toy.
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No mention of Soros, not a single mention of Soros.
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It's weird.
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It was two days earlier.
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Just two days earlier.
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Two days earlier.
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Now, this is while he was talking to RT.
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So you would suspect that he had an open line of communication with a state-run Russian
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media outlet?
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I want to talk to you about this interview because I have a lot of feelings about it.
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This interview is very interesting for a number of reasons.
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For one, the things that Alex is saying here are super not out of the norm for things he
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normally says.
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He's not way outside of his rhetoric but at the same time, this rhetoric takes on a decidedly
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different feel when it's being presented on the state media channel for a fairly hostile
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foreign power.
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When Alex says that Obama is a deceiver, it's not saying that he's a liar.
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That's saying that Russia is right not to trust the proposed reset in the talks between
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Obama and Medvedev.
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When Alex says that the US is a corrupt empire, it's not saying that our system is bad.
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It's saying that Russia is right to encroach on their neighbors in Georgia and Ukraine
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and, you know, fucking don't care about what's going on in Syria and that the US' response
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is simply an expression of the corruption of the empire.
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It takes on a very different feel in that context.
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But all that is good and well.
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But what really interests me about this interview is who is interviewing Alex.
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The interview is being done by a woman named Anastasia Cherkina, who is a prominent journalist
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at RT for a while.
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However, in addition to being a reporter, she's also the daughter of Vitality Cherkin.
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You may remember him from earlier as Russia's ambassador to the UN, who is saying that Russia
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would deploy their missiles if the US put their radar station in the Czech Republic.
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Huh.
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Weird.
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Huh.
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Cherkin had been a prominent member of Russia's foreign relations team and the permanent representative
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of Russia at the UN since April 2006.
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And in his time there, he's most known for being quick with the wit and even quicker
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to veto UN resolutions that went counter to Russia's interests.
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In the time span that he was at the UN, he was the one to veto 13 resolutions, many of
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which were about human rights abuses in Syria, a few others about Georgia and Ukraine.
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In the same time frame, the US vetoed three resolutions.
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Before becoming Russia's main man at the UN, Vitality Cherkin had a storied resume, having
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risen up from the US desk at the USSR foreign ministry in the late 70s to becoming the ambassador
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to Belgium and Canada in the early to late 90s and early 2000s.
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My point here is that Vitality Cherkin is a big player in Russian international politics
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and foreign relations, and it seems like a stretch of credulity to imagine that Alex
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wouldn't know who he is, given the fact that Cherkin was a naysayer within the body that
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Alex hates the most, the United Nations.
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I find it very unlikely that he wouldn't know that he was being interviewed by such a high-ranking
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international relations figure's daughter.
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I don't think that's possible.
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The only way that it's not possible is that Alex has no idea about the worlds he pretends
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to know about, which I accept is possible.
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Let's pump the brakes on that one real quick.
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Look, I respect that.
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I respect that.
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At the best, I'm going to give you a 50-50 yay or nay on that one.
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I don't know.
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Now, you might also remember Vitality Cherkin is one of the prominent Russian officials
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who died under slightly suspicious circumstances in the months after the 2016 election.
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I have no idea if he really died of a heart attack, as many of the media people have suggested,
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or if it was a political murder.
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There is a very strong possibility that coincidence was involved.
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Or just death.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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Coincidence is just random death.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Anybody could die at any time.
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No, no, no.
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That's totally fine.
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And it's not like he was 35, you know.
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No, he was the day before his birthday.
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Look, I don't want to talk about this too much because I think there are parts of this
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that are fucking stupid.
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There were these nine people who died in the nine months after the election, and they were
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all high-ranking, to some extent, diplomatic people in the Kremlin.
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No, I remember that because Arby's had that nine-for-nine sandwich special in honor of
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that.
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I remember that.
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You get the Vitality roast beef, delicious, horsey sauce.
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I don't like the conspiracies that go around about this, like trying to tie them all together
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in the same way that I don't like the conspiracies that Mike Adams and Alex pitch about the idea
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of all these people who are trying to give you natural health cures end up dying.
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All that can be a coincidence.
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These aren't young people.
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These are people also in probably high-stress careers.
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There's no reason to think that all of them are in any way connected.
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It's just suspicious, and it doesn't prove anything.
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And similarly, it doesn't necessarily mean anything that Alex Jones is being interviewed
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by this guy's daughter.
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It's entirely possible it's all just a coincidence.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know what to tell you at the end of this.
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I sincerely don't.
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I don't think that we've proved anything, but at the same time, I think we've proved
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a lot.
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That analogy, it is a million arrows pointing to Bugs Bunny's hole.
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You cannot prove Bugs Bunny's down there.
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But God damn it if there aren't a lot of arrows.
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And the circumstance of this stuff really bothers me.
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It really bothers me.
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Only because it's happening now, and I always wish it happens later.
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I always wish revelations happened later, because then I'll have more time to prepare
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for them.
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You're like, that's not how revelations work.
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No, and you've got to deal with it.
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But I wish that the Soros pivot happened, you know, I don't know, two months in Alex's
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narrative from now, because then I wouldn't be blindsided by it.
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I was really blindsided by this.
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Yeah, of course.
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And I don't want to talk about it.
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We were having a whole different conversation in 2009 than we were in 2018, and now it seems
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like we're having the same fucking conversation 10 years later.
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I know.
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It is weird.
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And we had that whole fun about how Alex was stupid about the FEMA camp stuff.
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I thought we could keep that going for a while, but it turns out Soros is introduced almost
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immediately after that.
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I want to end this, but I want to, I'm very self-conscious and I'm very conflicted about
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a lot of this stuff.
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This is so frustrating.
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It is.
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It's so frustrating.
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It's hard to make sense of all of it.
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I want to have a take, Dan.
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I want to be a kind of Friedersdorf and have a take on this.
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I think that's...
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I want to say that, you know, the Guardian is right about all kinds of shit, but...
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I think the only take we can really strongly have is that Alex is fucking wrong.
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Oh, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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We can hard take that.
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Hard take.
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But, yeah.
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Boiling that take is.
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At the same time, it's unrewarding to me on some level that for all these months we've
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been waiting for him to talk about Soros, and he does, and it's also coincidentally
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around a very specific hotspot in Russo-American relations, and he was interviewed by RT two
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days prior, and a month before Soros did an interview about how, like, we need to have
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a dual-pronged attack at Russia's interests, and we still can't say anything definitive.
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It really bums me out, but it is the path of honesty, so I'm okay with that.
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Anyway, Jordan...
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Oh, boy, Dan.
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Jordan, I don't know what to tell you, but we'll be back.
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We'll be back on our next episode.
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Indeed, we will.
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Which I hope will be more lighthearted than this, and I don't like this.
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I don't fucking like this.
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You hate not knowing, though.
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This is an infuriating thing for you.
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It's not even that.
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It's not even that.
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Because it's an impossible thing to know.
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Well, yeah, I...
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Or at the very least, it's a thing that in order for you to know would require context
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at the level...
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Or me pretending I know things like Alex does.
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Oh, God, I wish we could pretend to know things.
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That would be nice.
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Ooh, if you are hiring a left-wing propaganda consultant, we will pretend to know that Alex
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Jones is being hired by...
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Or if you're somebody who pretends to know things, we will pay you nothing to tell us
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things.
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I...
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I...
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It's partially that, and then partially also, like, the last episode we did on Friday, that
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was fucking heavy.
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That was heavy.
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Yeah.
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And I wanted kind of an episode off.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, you came back even heavier.
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And we're coming back to a 2009, and we're like, God damn it.
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Damn it!
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And I...
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I...
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I'm a human.
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I would like a walk in the park.
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I would like...
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I would like a...
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Yeah.
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I'm doing this show, and oftentimes it's various degrees of difficult to get through, you know,
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for context and historical reasons.
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That's actually the blurb we have on our description on iTunes, when you...
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When you read...
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It's hard to get through.
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...Knowledge Fight.
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It's hard to get through.
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It's variably hard to get through, yeah.
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But I would love for the last episode, when we were talking about Alex's, like, real acceptance
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of authoritarianism.
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I would love for the next episode to be something we can dance on his face.
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Yeah.
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Like, oh, look at this goofy bullshit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Of course.
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And unfortunately, it turns out that the next day in the chronology is this, and...
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Here's what I'm excited about.
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What if...
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All right.
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This is my...
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This is my great excitement.
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All right.
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What if we're living in some kind of Philip K. Dick story, which I assume...
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Oh, I love that.
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...Which I assume you would love desperately.
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Depends on the story.
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All right.
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So Alex, in 2019, is living in an actual parallel universe to Alex in 2009.
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So we have a direct 10-year difference.
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Oh, shit.
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So every 2019 episode we do has a direct parallel to a 2009 episode that we do, wherein he lives
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upon the...
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Look, this could be huge.
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Are you saying that Alex is the bigot in the high castle?
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Shut it down.
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That is true.
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Shut it down.
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That is true.
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That is true, Dan.
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Guys, this has been a lot of fun.
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I appreciate everybody so much.
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This has been a very difficult episode for me to prepare, but we will be back our next
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episode.
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But until then, we got a website.
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Do we have a website?
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I heard we do.
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It's called thebiggetinthehighcastle.com.
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Yeah.
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Wait, no, it's knowledgehite.com.
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I gotta get that URL.
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Oh, we got to get that new...
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I've got to get flow my tears.
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The policeman said, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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Nope.
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.com.
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Yeah.
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I think that one might be open.
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Go home and tell your mother you're Yubik.
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We're on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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That's correct.
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We're on Facebook.
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We got a group called go home and tell your mother you're not a bigot.
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We're also on the exegesis of iTunes.
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You did this.
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You did this.
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You brought up...
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It's my fault.
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It's my fault.
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You can download our podcast, subscribe, leave a review, or leave an Eldritch review.
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Those are twice as...
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Man, that's more Lovecraft, man.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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Listen, I don't want to do this anymore.
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There we go.
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Here we go.
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We got to run.
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Close it out.
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We got to run.
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I don't think Philip K. Dick killed anybody.
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I don't think he did.
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He probably led people down some bad roads.
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He probably got some young women into heroin, and I'm not thrilled with that.
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They probably died as a result of that, and I'm not thrilled with that, but he didn't
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kill anybody.
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But one guy technically probably did, and we got to end this episode, and that guy is
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Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Thank you so much for having me.
