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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight
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We are a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
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As is the case this week talk a lot about him in particular
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Yeah, the Obama deception is 2009 quote-unquote documentary
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We are here on part three of our investigation of said
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Film and if you're listening to this episode you haven't listened to the other ones
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I recommend, please go back and let's do the other ones
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It'll help it sort of make sense, but not really all that much because this documentary doesn't really make sense at all
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It's one of the it's incredibly difficult for me to cut this into episodes because we just end up
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Jumping off in the middle of one thing he comes back in the other. It's
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There's no there's no segmentation. There's no chapters in this documentary
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So it's a real challenge, and I hope you guys are all enjoying it and keeping it's not
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Whiplash or anything like that, but today we got part three and it's exciting but before we get to that
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Oh so very much, but for now
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Let's jump back into part three of our coverage of the Obama deception if you
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If you recall where we left off the last episode Alex had just got done lying about the Federal Reserve
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And how it's private and I explained why that is a load of bullshit
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And told you how the Federal Reserve System works now
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We'll jump in on a completely different topic that Alex is talking about, but it is just immediately after in the documentary
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I
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Mean can't the what Wall Street has hijacked Washington in broad daylight. Oh, that's right. We were watching a documentary
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I completely forgot for a while. Yeah, yeah status get a haircut
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Every one of his appointments are there to screw the American people
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What do you mean?
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They're all there to screw the American people
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They're all they're all there every single one of them is there to screw the remaining one statement
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Every single one of his appointments are people who are working to bring down the Republic in the Constitution of this country
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If I say things confidently you will believe that a group and trilateral commission member
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So Timothy Geithner is I don't know if he's a member of the Bilderberg group that again is not a designation that actually exists
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Nothing, but he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Alex doesn't have that up on screen. You can see there
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He was a member of the Trilateral Commission, but he left the group when he took a position in the Obama administration
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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is a Bilderberg and CFR member
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She is also married to Trilateral Commission member William Jefferson Clinton. All right, hold on what that was unnecessary
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There's no evidence that Hillary is a member of Bilderberg because again, that's not a real thing
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Not a thing she attended in 1997 when she was first lady, but there is no evidence
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She attended any other conferences Hillary is listed as a CFR member on Wikipedia
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But there's no citation in their public membership roles on the Council on Foreign Relations
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Relations website. Bill and Chelsea Clinton are listed as members of the Council on Foreign Relations
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But Hillary is not. The Trilateral Commission's member list from this time is also available online and Hillary Clinton is not a member or a
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former member of the Trilateral Commission. That is made up. So
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also
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Come on, man
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His name's Bill Clinton. His name's Bill Clinton. Just call him Bill Clinton.
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So Susan Rice is a member of the Trilateral Commission. She also left when she joined the Obama administration
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Also, why didn't Alex point out that she's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations?
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What information is he going off of because he's clearly right. That would help him in his fake argument
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She's a member of the CFR too. Put that on there. He doesn't bring it up
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National Security Advisor General James L. Jones. He looks like a bat. He looks like a Trilateral Commission and CFR
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So James L. Jones did attend a Bilderberg meeting in 2005
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But that doesn't make him a member of the group or anything like that
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There's no evidence that he's a member of the CFR, but there is a James R. Jones that is so maybe Alex mixed that up
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Much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice. That is exactly like saying that
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General James L. Jones was the bad guy in
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2018. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry. I was making a Conan the Barbarian reference. I thought you were going to James Earl Jones.
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It's Conan the Barbarian. God damn it, dad.
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Sorry. God damn it. Sorry. Wait, did you think James Earl Jones was a writer on The Simpsons? James L. Brooks. Oh, okay
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Our references just hit each other like cars that hit in a T-bone.
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So there's no evidence he's a member of CFR. Like I said, James R. Jones
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But much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice, Jones was previously a member of the Trilateral Commission
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But left the position when he became Obama's National Security Advisor or before
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Deputy National Security Advisor Thomas Donnellan, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
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So he says Trilateral Commission is not on the screen.
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Wait, but he doesn't have it on the screen.
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No, the card is wrong. I don't know. Anyway, Thomas Donnellan was definitely-
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Who made this shit?
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Thomas Donnellan was definitely a member of the CFR. Not sure if he was a Trilateral Commission member.
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Oh, I'm sorry. He was formerly one. Again, like a lot of these people, he was formerly one.
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I don't think it means anything though. Like I say, I don't know. My notes are a mess.
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I don't know why. I start editorializing at a certain point. I read this sentence like I think it's important, but it's just, I don't think this means anything.
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How many more minutes before we just get all of your notes saying-
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Fuck this.
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No, no, no. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
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No, there is going to be a point where I'm like, fuck this, this documentary doesn't mean anything. Here's what I want to talk about.
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So look forward to that.
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But this is the closest of all these people that Alex ends up listing. It's closest to real.
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Because he was a member of the CFR and he was a member of Trilateral Commission. But at the same time, he messed up the visual card.
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The title card is trouble.
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Special State Department Envoy-
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Boo! Boo!
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Fuck that guy!
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So Henry-
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Kissinger my ass!
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Henry Kissinger probably was all of those things. There's some debate whether or not he's still a member of the CFR.
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There's talk that he had left. It's unclear to me at this point. But the problem is that he wasn't part of the Obama administration.
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He wasn't special envoy.
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Not at all.
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You can find a list of all of Obama's special envoys. Kissinger wasn't one of them. He wasn't a part of the Obama administration at all.
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Why even throw Kissinger in there?
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Because he's one of his big bad guys.
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Yeah I know but Kissinger has so many other big bad guy things about him. Like he is genuinely evil.
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Because Alex doesn't care about those things.
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You could do a laundry list of his evil shit.
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He doesn't care about those things. They were done to brown people in third world countries. He doesn't give a shit about that.
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Fair enough.
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Anyway.
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But god you could just- like why not- get rid of a couple of these guys.
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Like okay get rid of Susan Rice. You don't need her. Put another title card of the evil shit that Kissinger is done.
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But because she's the person who went to the U.N.
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Yeah she's the U.N.
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It's important that he points out that the U.N. person is.
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The U.N. has to be evil. Yeah yeah yeah. I gotcha.
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Chairman Economic Recovery Committee. Paul Volcker. Bilderberg Group. Trilateral Commission. Council on Foreign Relations.
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This is the first one that Alex is almost entirely right about.
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He is all three of those things.
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Oh okay cool.
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Absolutely. At some point in his life he was all three of those things.
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But why doesn't Alex point out that he was a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?
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Oh that seems really important.
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Seems like he should regain.
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That seems like number one.
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He's one of the first.
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He should have been the first one on this whole fucking list.
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Well Chairman Economic Recovery Committee isn't as impressive as Secretary of State.
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Yeah yeah yeah. But if- okay. So if I'm organizing this I want founding member first.
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And then that builds up as you get more cachet throughout the rest of them.
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The Trilateral Commission is evil. He was one of the first people in it.
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Exactly.
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He's the most evil.
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Exactly. So you throw him in there up top and then you're like oh and see he's in like this Economic Recovery Committee.
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That doesn't sound too evil. You know that doesn't sound like he has too much power.
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And then because he founded the thing then you start bringing in Susan Rice.
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Oh she's the ambassador to the U.N. That's not that big a deal.
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He was also-
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Oh she's just an ambassador. And then you bring in Tim Geithner and you're like oh shit this is the guy.
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And then you bring him back. You punch it through man.
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He was also a former head of- chairman of the Federal Reserve.
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See.
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And in his role as the Economic Recovery chairperson he felt that Tim Geithner was being real fucking rude to him.
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And keeping him isolated from meetings which I would think Alex would be super thrilled about.
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The idea that Tim Geithner is like no no no Paul Volkart get out of here.
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Yeah but petty squabbles aren't really Alex's thing.
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He loves palace entry.
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The Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair.
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Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
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Wait did he say Director of National Intelligence?
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The screen says-
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On the screen says Director of National Security.
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That's a problem.
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Alright.
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So the issue is-
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You know you're- you know you're not making this live right?
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Yeah.
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Like he knows he's not live.
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He basically was.
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I mean he rushed this to Prince so fast.
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Yeah but I mean you could at least watch it one time before you throw it out.
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Do QA work at all.
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This is insane.
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The voiceover is correct.
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He was the Director of National Intelligence.
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The screen is wrong.
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Director of National Security is the guy we talked about earlier, James L. James.
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Yeah exactly.
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So this is sloppy as fuck.
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Darth Vader.
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Dennis Blair is not a member of the CFR.
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He was a former member of the Trilateral Commission and there's no evidence he's ever been to Bilderberg.
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Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
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Boo!
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Fuck that guy!
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Boo!
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Robert Gates was appointed by Bush.
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He's a member of the CFR.
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He was not a member of the Trilateral Commission.
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The only source I can find that says he was a Bilderberg attendee is a post on the New American website that says,
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quote, not on the public list but spotted at the conference according to unconfirmed reports from correspondents in St. Mortise was Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
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Nothing more reliable than unconfirmed reports.
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The word correspondence is a hyperlink that leads to an Infowars story that says, quote, Infowars reporters Aaron Dykes and Paul Joseph Watson have received confirmation from an inside source that five other influential people who were not named on the official attendee list are in attendance at Bilderberg Conference 2011.
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So even in their five other people they're not named.
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There's no proof, there's no documentation, just a supposed inside source who is obviously Daniel Estelen.
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Plus this is from 2011, two years after this documentary came out.
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Oh boy.
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So who gives a shit?
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These guys.
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Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
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James Steinberg is a CFR member and he's participated in multiple Bilderberg conferences, that's for damn sure.
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He was a former member of the Trilateral Commission but left before joining the Obama administration.
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Right.
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State Department Special Envoy Richard Haass, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and President of the CFR.
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Haass was a special envoy to Northern Ireland from 2001 to 2003.
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It doesn't get more powerful than the special envoy to Northern Ireland.
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But he had no position in the Obama administration.
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He couldn't be the president of the CFR and even endorse Obama because the group takes a firmly anti-partisan position.
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He's a member of the Trilateral Commission.
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The Hill reported that Haass was at Bilderberg in 2005 but who gives a shit?
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Haass is lying about him having a position in the Obama administration so none of the rest of them can matter.
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So who gives a fuck?
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Yeah, who cares?
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Obama Presidential Advisor Alan Greenspan, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
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Alan Greenspan is a member of the CFR. He's not a member of the Trilateral Commission.
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He apparently attended Bilderberg in 2002.
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More importantly though, he wasn't one of Obama's advisors.
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On the campaign trail, Obama was super critical of Greenspan's policies as the chairman of the Federal Reserve until 2006.
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I can't think of any. Wait, why?
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Because he presided over the dot-com bubble, the period where the groundwork needed to create the subprime mortgage crisis was created.
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You're just, now you're, what, are you mad at Ayn Rand?
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There's so many articles you can find online about Obama being fucking harshly critical of Alan Greenspan.
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No. Nobody could criticize Alan Greenspan.
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Even if he were an advisor for Obama, shouldn't Alex like that?
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Alan Greenspan was a free market kind of guy who hated raising taxes and hate, like, loved the absence of government regulation.
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Yeah.
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That should be, like,
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Again, Ayn Rand.
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If there is someone who should run the Fed that Alex likes, it would be Alan Greenspan.
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Yep.
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He should love the idea that he's an advisor for Obama, but he wasn't.
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Yeah, but he's, here's the thing, all right?
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Alan Greenspan, sure, he did all the stuff that Alex wants him to do.
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But that stuff turned out bad.
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Oh, sure.
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So Alan Greenspan is bad.
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Bad, bad. He's a bad boy.
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Right.
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But not the things that he believes that he then followed up on that made everything turn bad.
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We're running into a little bit of an issue with letting the outcome dictate your principles.
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Exactly.
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And how that's not a good idea.
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No. It's a bad idea.
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Because you look like a fucking idiot.
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You're an idiot.
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State Department Special Envoy Richard C. Holbrook, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR.
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Are we just listing names?
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Yep.
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Finally, Alex is right about someone being a Bilderberg member, because Richard-
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Oh, he's on the steering committee.
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He's on the steering committee.
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Hey, how about that?
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Hey, bam it.
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Hey, da da da da da da da.
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Bring out the clowns.
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Oh, shit, there was just a lot of balloons dropped in here.
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He struck out, like, ten times, but then he got one right.
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He left-
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Oh, Casey at the bat all over again.
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He left the Trilateral Committee by this point, and he's been a CFR member since at least
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2003.
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I know that because the CFR, which is so fucking secretive, that they put out a press release
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announcing his membership, complete with a date line at the top and the contact information
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of the Director of Communications for the Council of Foreign Relations.
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Obama appointed him as a, quote, special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, where he advocated
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for such nefarious globalist plots as focusing on, quote, boosting the agriculture sector
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in Afghanistan.
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Holbrooke is a lifelong diplomat, so the post really makes sense.
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I'm not going to argue with it.
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Holbrooke was ultimately ineffective in his position, and he died about a year later after
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he was put in the post.
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His last words to his doctor were- this was kind of joking around with the doctor, but
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it's so adorable.
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These were his last words.
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He said to the doctor, quote, you've got to end this war in Afghanistan.
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I love that.
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That's pretty great.
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You get a lot of points if your last words are that fucking great.
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Sure.
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Or like Ernest.
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Ernest P. Whirl is last words.
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Tell the kids not to smoke.
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Exactly.
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That sort of thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Using your last words to try and make the world better.
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Yeah, it's fun.
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And the list goes on and on.
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Oh, does it?
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Does it?
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That's it.
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That's his list.
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That was 13 people, and there's serious problems with that list.
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Three of the people that he listed in that group are not even in the Obama administration
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at all.
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Right, so that brings us down to ten.
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Alex is claiming that they are.
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That brings us down to ten.
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One of them is given the wrong title on screen, so Alex doesn't know what his job is.
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That gives us nine.
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One of them was appointed by Bush.
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Okay, so that gives us eight.
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If you count the people who have left the trilateral commission as Alex being wrong,
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then he really only got one of these people's description right at all, and that's Paul
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Volker, and he didn't even mention that he was the founding member of the trilateral
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commission.
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So, like, I don't understand.
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Like, this list is full of holes.
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Yeah, but the Volker deception would have been terrible.
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Also, please consider this is 13 people.
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It wasn't even Obama's entire cabinet.
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It was just 13 people Cherry picked out of the hundreds that Obama had on his team.
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Even if you've been absolutely correct about each and every one of these people being members
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of all three of his shadowy organizations, what the fuck does that prove?
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It's just a drop in the ocean.
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There's 19 people in Obama's main cabinet.
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The main positions in his cabinet, Alex didn't mention any of them, and they aren't members
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of any of those groups.
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So, like, you could play this game every single direction if you want to.
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Like, I could flash up on screen, Eric Holder, not member of any of these groups, attorney
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general.
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That wouldn't help.
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No, I could do it.
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That would be a bad documentary.
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Joe Biden, vice president, not member of any of these groups.
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Hilda Solis, labor secretary, not member of any of these groups.
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Now I'm more interested in an hour and a half long documentary that is just who is and is
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not in Obama's cabinet, is a member of those groups, and we're going to start alphabetically
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with the entire population of the world.
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Let's do it.
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Hey, Aaron Aronson, not a member of these groups.
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Aaron Rodgers, CFO.
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This is shit.
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This is shit.
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This is terrible.
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This is bad work.
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Oh, that's bad.
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Even if Barack Obama were the most wonderful person in the world, he was groomed and brought
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to power by the global elite to carry out their agenda.
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Citation needed.
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Small point, yeah.
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You haven't proved that.
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So far you have proven nothing close to that.
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No.
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Humanity must look past Obama and realize that presidents come and go, but the shadow
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government and their program of global enslavement continues.
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How could people be so stupid and gullible to believe a bunch of political...
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Get up.
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So people who voted for Obama were trying to express, I think, first of all something
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worthwhile, the hatred for Bush, Cheney, the neo-cons, the desire to punish the Republicans
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for their adventures, their police state, and their economic depression.
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The second question was on the economy.
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People felt that Bush was selling them down the river into a world depression.
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He is, of course, the new Herbert Hoover in that regard, so they were trying to get something
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different from that.
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Okay.
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Tragedy, of course, is, and this is really why Obama was groomed and prepared over a
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period of almost 30 years.
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What?
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That Obama is there to frustrate and to deceive all of those hopes.
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Obama is a cruel hoax.
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So look, this is some real fucking bullshit, and I think this is low-key one of the worst
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said in this entire documentary because what Webster Tarpley is doing in that clip that
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we just listened to is suggesting that all the reasons that people liked Obama trace
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back to negatives about the Republicans as opposed to positives about Obama and some
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of the progressive policies he was indicating towards.
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There's something very strange about Alex's world and the politics of everyone around
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him that's so profoundly self-centered that it can't see any action or belief outside
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of its relation to themselves.
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Tons of people excited about the prospect of Obama and liberal policies he discussed
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on the campaign trail are minimized into people who were just expressing their anger at Bush,
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which is a positive to Tarpley, I guess.
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Everything that's good or bad is a response to what their side is doing.
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What this, in essence, does is rob the left or really anyone who's not in their weird
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patriot conspiracy tip of any agency.
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You don't really believe in gun control.
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You're just responding to how much we love guns.
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It's that same dumb thinking that really is a dead end.
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It's really, really fucking stupid.
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It's childish and self-centered to a level that it's painful to some extent, because
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I would never think, oh, you conservatives are just mad that I have a lip ring.
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I don't have a lip ring.
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But if I did, they're going, I have a mohawk and a lip ring, and you old fuddy duddies,
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you just don't like my coolness.
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But that is the equivalent of what they're expressing.
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Like Webster Tarpley literally said that the people who support Obama are expressing something
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positive, which is a hatred of Bush.
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It's like, yes, they do hate Bush, but that's not what they're expressing.
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You are looking at only the negatives applied to you as opposed to the positives that exist
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externally, because were you to recognize those for a second, you would have to either
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debate those positive points or admit that you don't give a shit and ignore those because
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you're a dumb fuck.
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I am so, so happy that you watched this beforehand, listened to that, and then spent time writing
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an eloquent response.
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Well, half of what I just said was the written part, and the other part was a little bit
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off the job.
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But the point being, that is exactly what I thought immediately, but because I'm in
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the moment, I was just going to screech.
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Fuck you, old man.
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I was just going to screech like a pterodactyl came back to life.
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So it is, you are absolutely 100% correct on all fronts.
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Thank you so much for avoiding me just going like, fuck you.
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I think there's value.
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You're fucking wrong.
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I think there's value in that response because it's how I feel.
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It's how I feel, but at the same time, really hitting the point of what he's expressing
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is so important because it really does underlie so much of this.
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When we talk about Alex Jones, I think I don't deal with that, but I've felt that in the
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back of my head for a really long time, and it took something as overt as what Webster
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Tarpley just said to really like, oh, that's what they're doing.
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It's sort of a hand-revealing moment to some extent.
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But it's the logical endpoint of that wake up sheeple point or thought process.
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The clip right before this was Cilenti calling everybody stupid.
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Exactly.
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Like the idea is that everybody who believes exactly what I say the way I say it is a person
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and everybody else is not awake.
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None of you, you're all reacting to what's real, which is what I'm saying.
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You are not capable of agency yourselves, and the only way that you'll ever be capable
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of agency is if you agree with me.
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And until then, you are only reacting the way that they want you to, to me.
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The way the Jews have told you to.
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More or less.
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Yeah, exactly.
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When you cut through the sort of layers of veneer.
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I'm the only person.
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You are all nothing.
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Also, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant straight men are the only people who are really doing
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anything.
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Yes.
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And all of you other people are tricked by these bankers.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I mean, there's a kernel of it that's very similar.
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Like, when I was watching this and I was thinking about that, it's very similar to how the ancient
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alien stuff, like the explanations of aliens creating the pyramids and stuff like that.
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All that really does is take agency away from non-white people in the past.
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Yeah.
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And no one says that aliens built the Parthenon or anything like that.
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No one says anything like that.
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They're like, oh yeah, those Greeks knew how to do that.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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And it's the same sort of kernel.
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It's this idea of like, those who aren't in my clique, my in-group or whatever, I don't
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believe them to be capable of positive thought.
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Right.
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Only reactive thought.
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Oh, sure, those Egyptians were able to be used at the direction of the aliens.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, they lugged the blocks, which would be the equivalent of Webster Tarpley saying
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these people were lugged.
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The lugging of bricks around would be the equivalent of voting for Obama.
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Right.
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You know, there is that.
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And he's never seen Fitzcarraldo, so he doesn't even know that you can take a boat over a
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mountain.
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Oh boy.
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That is a bummer.
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You look at stuff like that and you're just like, it's hard to look at that and be like,
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oh, you're a great historian.
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It's really tough to hear that mentality.
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But again, this is why Webster Tarpley is so interesting to me.
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Like, why was he able to break the, not conditioning, but why was he able to come out and be like,
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Trump is trying to institute fascism and part of it is a real failure of Ron Paul and the
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fake principled libertarianism that has been around forever.
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Like, why was he, why did he get there in early 2016?
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And also, why does he still have a show on the Genesis Communications Network?
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Wait, he still does?
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Yeah, you bet.
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What, in 2018?
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Oh, we got to get him on our show.
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It's a weekly show.
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We got to give him a call.
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But why is he still-
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Calling in to Webster Tarpley.
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Why is Ted Anderson still paying him?
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Like, it seems to me, maybe Ted Anderson isn't like all, I mean, I know he was a big Ron
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Paul guy.
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Why is Shepard Smith still on Fox News?
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Nobody knows.
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Everybody's fine with it.
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That's a great analogy.
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Yeah, whatever it is we're going to do, we're going to do.
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So anyway.
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He's an absolute denial of everything that you'd expect from an American president.
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It is very disturbing to see well-meaning people falling for high-tech propaganda over
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and over again.
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Tell me about it, dude.
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Oh, high-tech propaganda, you say?
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I think we both had a very similar reaction to that.
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Get out.
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That's 9-11.
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The American people en masse were swept into a mob psychology, irrationally throwing their
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common sense to the wind and doing whatever the administration told them to.
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The general public eventually caught on to the fact that George W. Bush was a deceitful
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thug.
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Fair enough.
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But like the implication that he's trying to make that he's leaving unsaid is except
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me and my buddies.
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Yeah, exactly.
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We are smart enough to see through it.
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I don't like whenever they do get something.
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I don't like whenever they get something right in the wrong way.
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It bums me out.
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I don't think that they're, I mean, I was part of like protest communities around that
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time on the left.
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I don't think anybody didn't know that Bush was a fucking thug.
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Oh yeah, no, we all figured that out.
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Like a 2000 election was heartbreaking.
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That was before 9-11.
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Yeah.
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Like that was...
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Also, it was stolen.
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Yeah.
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It was literally stolen.
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All that happened pre-9-11.
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It's not like people didn't understand the game before 9-11, but people came together
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after it because of course you do, you're fucking humans.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So...
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The economy was in free fall in the midst of it all.
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Barack Obama was there speaking out against the abuse of the people at the hands of the
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establishment.
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Wait, in 2000?
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Wait, wait.
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So if, I mean, no, no.
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So we're jumping, we're jumping years apart, right?
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Of course, but that also undercuts his point of he came out of nowhere.
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That's the idea.
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It's like when after 9-11, you know, Bush is trying to do all this shit, but there was
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Obama saying, no, no, sir.
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What is your...
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So then you have to have been aware of him beforehand.
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What is your window for coming out of nowhere?
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You know?
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It's very small.
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Like, like it has to be, it has to be coming onto the scene out of nowhere.
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I see it.
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Like, okay.
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It requires surprise.
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Okay.
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It's almost, it's, it's like when Wayne Gretzky got to the hall of fame, nobody's like Wayne
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Gretzky got out of, came here out of nowhere.
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Like it was literally, we knew since this got, exactly, now that came out of nowhere.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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No one saw that shit coming.
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That's the difference.
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Okay.
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I think we nailed it.
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I think we nailed it.
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The two greatest analogies they've ever been.
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The United States was no longer in the hands of mad men, but unfortunately for humanity,
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this was another vicious fraud.
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I want to like the guy.
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I bet you do.
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Gently.
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He's intelligent.
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Get a haircut.
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He is, he seems to be a man of peace.
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Two seconds away from saying articulate.
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But you know what is that a tree is really, really measured by the quality of its feet.
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I'm sick of that metaphor.
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Nope.
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Put away all the flowery words.
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When you put away all the rhetoric, when you put away all the rock and roll music.
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I'm a racist.
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What he does is what's important for the people of the country, starting with the truth.
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Obama is notoriously a liar.
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He promised that he would get out of Iraq, I think within 16 months at some point.
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He's been president for two months.
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The Scotsman, that he wouldn't be bound by those promises and sure enough, he's now not
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going to be bound by those promises.
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What about the Dutchman?
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So real quick, what did he say?
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What about the Dutchman?
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Mr. Richards.
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So the interview Webster Tarpley is talking about there isn't in the Scotsman, it was
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actually on the BBC, a show called Hard Talk.
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But honestly, who cares, because everyone's lying about what Obama actually said about
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bringing troops home during the campaign.
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From his official website, quote, go to the wayback machine to gather this one, quote,
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Barack Obama believes you must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting
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in.
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Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military
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commanders a new mission in Iraq, ending the war.
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The removal of the troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders
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on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government.
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Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of one
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to two brigades per month that would remove all of them in 16 months.
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That's where the 16 month number comes from, not from a promise to bring everyone home
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within that time period, but that it was assessment that what military experts believed was possible
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to do responsibly.
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Gotcha.
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An estimation of both the most expedient and the most responsible way of doing so, which,
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by any estimation, was maybe a little ambitious, a little ambitious and didn't happen.
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And then when he did remove all the troops, it ended up, oh, how dare you remove all those
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troops, Obama?
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You're ruining this fucking country.
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Well, you can't remove all those troops.
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And then it left a power vacuum that ISIS stepped in, you had to send more troops in.
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So that's all unfortunate, but there's no way for Alex to know any of that stuff now.
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So we leave that aside.
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So it's a good thing that, wait, it's it is fascinating.
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It is fascinating to watch this documentary now.
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And remember, we're still there.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It's not great.
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Like this seems so far in the past.
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It is.
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It seems so far in the past.
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Almost a decade ago, he made this film.
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I know.
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And we're still fucking there.
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Yeah, it's a mess.
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I mean, because we've been there for essentially my entire adult life.
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Yeah.
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It's almost in the background all the time.
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Like behind all of the Trump news.
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Were you 16 when the Iraq war started?
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Something like that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're three years older than me.
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Why are we pretending that there's this massive.
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No, I was just trying to do the math.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I wasn't saying that like as a dismissive thing.
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Oh yeah.
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I remember that I was 19.
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I graduated high school already.
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That's the only reason I.
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Right, right.
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No, I couldn't participate in any of these anti-war protests.
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I was still in high school.
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I was in my in-between year of high school and college, which most people use to backpack
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Europe and I did drugs in the basement.
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That is eerily close.
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Yeah.
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Did a lot of drugs in the basement and also did some protesting.
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But yeah.
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Not wasted time.
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It's amazing that regardless of all the palace intrigue that we read about with Trump every
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fucking day, we're still doing this.
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We're still fucking doing it.
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It's a real sobering realization.
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I mean, I mean, to the point where in the 2018 election, in the 2016 election, nobody
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ran on ending the war in Iraq.
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I think a lot of people paid lip service.
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We just assumed we're still going to be doing this till we die.
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I think, I think the, I don't know, if you talk about the presidents, I think they were
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throwing bigger shit at each other to some extent.
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But then, you know, maybe some down ballot people brought it up.
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But I'm amazed.
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Be that as it may, I agree with you.
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It's sobering and depressing.
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It's fucked up.
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It's not something that we would like to be the case, but there's more important things
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to talk about in terms of what he said there.
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Because he was talking about Samantha Power doing this interview, which he said was in
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the Scotsman.
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It was actually on BBC Hard Talk.
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So Samantha Power was an advisor for the Obama campaign in 2008.
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In her Hard Talk interview, she expressed doubts that Obama could realistically withdraw
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the troops in the 16 month timeframe.
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She clarified that Obama would take all the advice available and would work on making
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the best path forward once he was in office and knew all the variables, stressing that
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the plans that he's able to make as a candidate and a senator are not the same as what he
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would be able to make once he's the president.
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And it would be foolish to make a plan in March 2008 when the situation may change by
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January 2009.
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So she was just basically clarifying.
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Not may, will.
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She was just clarifying and she said that the 16 month window reflected a best case
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scenario, which I think is a fair way to put it, even from what Obama promised.
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I don't think that that's unfair at all.
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But interestingly, based on the fact that Webster Tarpley mentions that interview incorrectly
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as Power doing an interview with the Scotsman, I know that he knows that she also was no
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longer with the Obama campaign, having resigned in March 2008 in the immediate aftermath of
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her interview with the Scotsman.
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The problem was that she said this, quote, We fucked up in Ohio.
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In Ohio, they're obsessed and Hillary is going to she's going to town with it because she
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knows Ohio is the only place that she can win.
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She's a monster, too.
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That's off the record.
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She's stooping to anything.
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If if you're poor and she's telling you some story about Obama is going to take your job
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away, maybe it'll be more effective.
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The amount of deceit she's put forward is really unattractive.
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So she was I did not know that Obama hired Scaramucci as well.
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She went off script with the Scotsman and in the this is off the record.
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You excuse me.
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You know, we have to agree to that before.
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You can't just you can't just say it's off the record.
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Yeah.
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So also, we're the Scotsman.
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We don't give a shit if you say it's off the record.
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Right.
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We're not from there.
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No.
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She obviously had some fallout from this and had to resign from the campaign, which Tarpley
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has to know if he's referencing the Scotsman, if he's referencing the Scots.
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So he already knows that this is something that happened in March 2008, presumably nine,
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10 months before this interview happened.
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He's referencing an interview that was done on a different medium than he's reporting,
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which is just her clarifying a misconception about the position that Obama had.
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And he knows that immediately, almost immediately after both of these interviews, because they
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were pretty close together, she ended up leaving the campaign.
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Right.
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So I rate this as utter bullshit.
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That's complete bullshit.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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A pledged in hundreds of speeches and interviews that within six months of being elected, he
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was going to bring our troops home from Iraq.
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It hasn't been six months since he's been elected yet.
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No.
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And he didn't say that.
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Like if if he had said that, that's the easiest clip for Alex to prove.
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Pull it up.
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Yeah.
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Throw it on there saying that.
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Put it in the documentary.
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It'd be a great commit.
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People after six months.
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Yeah.
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It was inaugurated.
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The story changed.
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Now he said that they would look at bringing some of the troops home in 16 months.
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Two weeks later, his story had changed again.
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Now the administration.
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It didn't change.
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It reflected the advice of the people who he had hired to advise him in those capacity.
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Right.
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Would look at bringing the troops home in 23 months.
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Oh hey, you know what's fun?
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You know what's fun about the Washington Post?
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This article that Alex has up on screen there.
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Right, right, right.
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So Iraq withdrawal, colon, Obama weighs 23 month plan.
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He's highlighted 23 months.
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But up in the up a little bit higher, you see Blagojevich's brother asked for a donation
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before a Senate appointment.
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Blago.
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Oh, man.
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Those were the days, right?
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Sure.
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Back when Blagojevich was fucking everything up.
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Those were the days.
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Blago.
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Oh, fuck you, Blagojevich.
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While Obama's already fudging, he's fudged since day one in this election where he first
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said we're getting out.
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Show me Willie Nelson.
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Now it's a timetable.
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No whammies.
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No whammies.
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They're understanding that he ain't going to be able to get him out because people more
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powerful than him got us in.
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When he first...
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Ah, I wanted Willie Nelson to not.
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No, no.
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I'm sorry.
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No more Willie.
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No more Willie Nelson.
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Ah.
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But that doesn't mean anything, what he's saying.
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But also I love the...
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Just because I'm a Lovecraft fan, I love the idea of like, he can't take them out because
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more powerful people brought them in.
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The Elder Ones?
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No, that reminds me...
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Do you know the case of Charles Dexter Ward?
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No, I don't.
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The one of Lovecraft's books?
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No, I know you've referenced it and I still haven't read it.
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One of the things in it is...
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To spite you.
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Well, it has to do with necromancy to an extent, being able to raise the dead.
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I know what necromancy is.
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I understand it's for the listener.
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How dare you?
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But one of the rules of it is don't bring up something you can't bring back down.
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Don't raise a more powerful spirit than you're able to handle because that will just fuck
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you up.
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Right.
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That sort of thing.
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That's all I hear there is just like, did you reload?
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I know you didn't.
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Sort of the same idea.
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And they could have read Hellblazer.
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That's possible.
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That's possible.
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Also, in the case of Charles Dexter Ward, there's some little subtle comedy of Charles
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Dexter Ward bringing back to life Benjamin Franklin to get some secrets from him.
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Oh, that's fun.
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But he's not called Benjamin Franklin.
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You have to read between the lines.
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Oh, that's fun.
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Figure out, oh, that's Benjamin Franklin.
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He got Franklin.
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He just ran.
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Remember, he was going to take the troops out.
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I get in there, troops come home.
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That's what you heard.
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That's not what he said.
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Day one.
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There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was.
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I will begin to remove our troops from Iraq immediately.
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Begin to doesn't mean bring them all.
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Begin to could mean set a timetable.
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Begin to means the process of it.
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This is not a demonstration of a lie.
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Begin to means I could bring one home every week.
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That's still beginning to remove the troops from Iraq.
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Or even you don't have to physically bring someone back if you consult with your experts
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and set a goal of when you're going to, that's still beginning bringing people back.
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It's a process.
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It's not.
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They want a unilateral executive who's going to just act.
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They want a fascist.
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Yes, they want someone who's just going to cut through the bullshit and be like, consequences
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be damned.
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Everyone's coming home.
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Fuck those people over there.
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I don't care.
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They're all going to get slaughtered and give a shit.
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It doesn't seem like they're interested so much in what's the best way to achieve a goal
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so much as they are in scoring points on promises.
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You know, like that idea of- Again, less than two months into his presidency.
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So yeah, yeah, totally.
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It's just, it's a charade.
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It's a nonsense game they're putting on.
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I mean, even if you want the, look, I want the war in Iraq to end, even though we've
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announced mission accomplished how many times?
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An insane amount of times.
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I want the past to be different, but we can't change that.
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Exactly.
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I mean, there's no way that a reasonable person could say that just unilaterally removing
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all troops now is going to be a good thing.
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No, it's the same thing with Ron Paul's dumb ass shit about immediately cutting off all
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foreign aid.
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Yeah.
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The idea of like, hey, everybody being self resilient and self sustaining, that is a great
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outcome.
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But the path towards that outcome that you are suggesting will lead to everyone dying.
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It's the same thing, you pull all the troops out, you are just willing innocent people
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to die at a much greater number than already have.
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Well, and even to change the subject, like, let's go with any kind of unilateral action
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like that.
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Like, I think a single payer healthcare system is the best way to go.
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The idea of Congress tomorrow instituted, even if we had super majorities in both houses
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that could overcome a veto, the idea of them setting up a single payer healthcare system
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tomorrow is a terrible fucking idea.
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That would be chaos on a scale that nobody could comprehend, the results of which would
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be both disastrous and unforeseeable, you know?
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Being in a nice cool pool feels good, but in the wrong conditions, if you jump in, you
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could have a heart attack.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Or a shock that comes from, yeah.
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You're going to have to find a way to, because, yeah.
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In the same way that there is this sort of fetishizing and hero idealizing of a singular
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individual.
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The great man theory of history.
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Right.
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They are also beholden to the idea of singular variables about things and don't consider
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all of these external ideas like, oh, well, doing that will affect all these other things.
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Right.
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It's a failure of, I think, complex thinking.
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Well, and that goes back to our group of Rome problematique thing.
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Club.
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Club of Rome.
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Club of Rome.
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I apologize.
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The villains of Alex Jones' world.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That he suspiciously doesn't mention at all in this documentary.
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Their idea of like, okay, you can play whack-a-mole, but you're not going to solve anything until
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you actually deal with the totality of the issue.
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And somehow that's both a critique and a negative for these guys.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's because they're dumb.
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They are dumb.
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That's what it really boils down to.
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It's a lack of...
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All right.
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End documentary.
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We've moved on.
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End our show.
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We finally got a lot more listeners.
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Now it's time to call it quits.
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It's a lack of willingness to engage with complex ideas.
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Existing instead to be like, nope, it's the communists.
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But that's the same thing with the Fed.
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It makes you angry to have to go to the second page of Google.
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It makes you angry.
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That's so foreign to me because I love it.
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I know.
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It's weird to me.
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But that's why we're going to be killed by Trump fans.
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I'm excited for it.
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And then that went to 16 months.
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And now he's going to add, they're saying, another 30,000 or more troops to Afghanistan.
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These numbers are off.
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Next he sent 30,000 more Marines to Afghanistan, doubling the total number of forces in the
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crosshairs.
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Barack then announced that he was going to move missile systems into Eastern Europe to
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encircle Russia.
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Ah, there we are.
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After he kept Bush's Secretary of Defense Robert Bush.
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There's that animation.
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Yep.
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So, real quick on this.
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This is very important.
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That idea of Obama encircling Russia isn't remotely true, especially in 2009.
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From a July 2009 article on America.gov, quote, positioning a limited anti-ballistic missile
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system in Europe has been a significant issue between the United States and Russia.
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Under President George W. Bush, the United States proposed stationing 10 interceptor
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missiles in Poland and an advanced radar station in the Czech Republic to protect allies in
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Europe and thwart rogue states with nuclear ballistic missiles.
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Russian officials have expressed concern over the scope of the anti-ballistic missile system.
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Obama and then Russian President Medvedev said they have directed their missile experts
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to quote, conduct a joint review of the entire spectrum of means at our disposal that allow
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us to cooperate on monitoring the development of missile programs around the world.
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Obama was working on cooperating with Russian President Medvedev to make the region safer
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in ways that serve both countries' interests.
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To present this as some sort of an aggression towards Russia is complete bullshit.
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And even though this joint agreement wasn't finalized until July of 2009, there were news
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reports all over the place earlier in the year when Alex was working on this documentary
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that testified to the fact that Obama was trying to find a way to work together.
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The only reason for him to not know that is willful ignorance or he's lying.
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That's the only way around this.
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And this, to me, seems more likely.
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To Medvedev and Obama, that is cooperation.
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But to a certain nationalistic Russian, that might not have been cooperation so much as
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an attack on our sovereignty!
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It might have been president in all but name.
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There is that, but I can find no real evidence of it.
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So it seems weird to say, but it serves that narrative that Alex is putting into the world
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of the idea that Obama is trying to work to encircle Russia, it does serve the propaganda
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interests of Russia that we know today.
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Certainly, it does.
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But I can't find any evidence to back that up.
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So it just feels...
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No, no, no.
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I'm not going to make that claim definitively.
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I'm just going to say that, once again, who has motive?
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We all know.
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It feels very weird and very in line with Alex's feelings about Russia, generally speaking.
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But in terms of this documentary, Occam's Razor could tell us that it's just a way for
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him cheaply to misrepresent something to lie about Obama.
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So that's good enough for me.
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And I agree.
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Hey, quick question.
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Great.
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And I don't know...
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That's my response.
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I love a quick question.
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Quick question.
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I don't know if you know this or not.
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And in fact, I probably would guess at 95% you don't.
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Do interceptor missiles actually work?
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Like has anybody ever...
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So like that whole...
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I think they do.
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Do they, though?
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Well, I think they do, at least as a deterrent.
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It's really, really hard to shoot a missile out of the sky because it's essentially a
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tiny little bird flying at 10 million miles an hour.
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But you can shoot a plane out of the sky.
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Yeah, but a plane is big and can't go as fast.
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Not small planes.
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I don't know.
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Look, I think, as I understand it, the technology does exist in a way that you could shoot down
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missiles.
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I believe that does exist.
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But even beyond that, there is a little bit of a brinksmanship in terms of like, you don't
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know all the technology I have.
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I don't know all the technology in that.
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I set these things up here.
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You don't want to waste your rockets that you spent tons of money on with the idea that
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I might be able to shoot them.
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I think there is a deterrent effect to it.
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The Reagan gambit of Star Wars and so on and so forth.
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There's something to it.
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Whether or not it's a good idea to put billions of dollars into, that's a whole other conversation.
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I think from everything that I've ever read about interceptor missiles, it's like a success
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rate of...
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Like that kind of thing?
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It's better than zero.
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No, it is better than zero.
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I'm just interested in whether or not anybody's ever actually...
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Because it's really hard to do.
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Yeah.
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I agree that it seems like it's difficult, but I don't know.
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Look, who cares?
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I know you don't know the answer to it.
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I was just kind of hoping that maybe by some random ass chance you were like, and I've
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looked into interceptor missiles.
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Can I be honest?
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I no longer like quick questions.
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You have ruined them for me.
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Really long questions from here on out.
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This policy is if you're constantly meddling near the Russian borders with these fascist
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creeps.
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Who does that?
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NATO agents like Yushchenko of Ukraine or Sakashvili of Georgia.
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He's eating his tie.
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Hold on.
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Why is that?
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Why is that the...
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That's great B-roll.
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And if they decide to start a war, that rapidly escalates into thermonuclear World War III.
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This is worse than the neo-cons, Bush and Cheney never got as far as Brzezinski, Soros
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and the other people running.
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Whoa, we get a Soros.
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That is the only time Soros's name is mentioned in any way in this documentary, which is super
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fucked up because with the idea that Webster Tarpley is coming in saying that he is one
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of the people who runs Obama.
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Why wasn't he listed in that list of people that included three people who aren't in the
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Obama administration?
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You had Kissinger in there, Hoss, you know, like why didn't you throw Soros in there?
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Because he's not someone who's on Alex's radar in any meaningful way in 2009.
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Now, I mean, it's interesting.
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How is he on Tarpley's radar?
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What's Tarpley up to?
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Well, he's a Lyndon LaRouche guy.
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Oh, that's true.
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So he's an anti-Semite through and through.
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Also, two things about this clip so far.
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One, how many more places are we going to interview Tarpley?
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This is number three, I think, at least.
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This is like our fifth background.
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This is crazy how many...
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It is weird, but they're probably the same room, and that outside shot was probably outside
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this hotel.
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Yeah, it's the same place.
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And two, because our listeners can't see it, the clip they showed...
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The b-roll we were responding to.
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The b-roll we showed, what was the guy's name?
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It wasn't Yushchenko.
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No.
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It was another one of those fascist creeps.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was the Ukrainian guy, right?
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No, that's Yushchenko.
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Oh, shit.
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Now I'm an asshole.
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I don't remember who it was, but it was one of the fascist creeps that Tarpley listed.
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It's the b-roll of him sitting.
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He's sitting at a table.
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It appears to be an official table.
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Oh, yeah.
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It looks like it's whatever version of the Oval Office his country has.
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He's on the phone, and he's just kind of eating his tie.
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He's chewing on his tie.
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He's just chewing on his tie.
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Which is like...
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I mean, if you're going to slander a guy, that's the perfect clip to have.
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It's one of the best cases of editing in this documentary, I would say.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I would say.
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It would only have been better if during that time he had the clip of H.W. puking in the
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Japanese prime minister's lap.
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Just a shame reel.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just like, all right, okay, I get it.
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In terms of all this stuff, I think it's kind of outside of our purposes, really, to do
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a deep dive into the geopolitical situation in Eastern Europe in 2009.
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I'm just going to leave that alone for now, just because it's outside of the thrust of
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the documentary.
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I'll say, though, that it's just important to remember that what that conversation about
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the fascist creeps around Russia, what that was predicated on is the idea that Obama was
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putting missiles around Russia, and that's absolutely not true.
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And that's the most important thing in terms of the discussion of what's happening here.
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I don't care to get into the petty squabbles of whether or not Soros was working for good
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or ill, because it's all lies.
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And even then, they specifically point out that he's putting interceptor, interceptor
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missiles around there, which, by their very definition, are defensive.
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Well, sure, sure.
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And they are not there, you can't, I don't know if you can or not, I assume you can't,
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but you can't just, like, launch an interceptor missile on Moscow.
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It seems like you would have built it-
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Is this back to your quick question?
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No, never mind.
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I don't know anything about this.
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You know what?
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Never mind.
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I know a lot about interceptor missiles.
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Barack Obama swore that he would vote- Bernie Sanders looking real pissed.
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Bernie!
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Hey, Bernie, how you doing?
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He doesn't want to be there.
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Sick of that shit.
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Obama decried the Bush administration's illegal warrantless wiretapping of the American people.
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Then he voted to legalize it.
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So real quick, a couple things.
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He said that Obama said he was going to get rid of the Patriot Act.
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He never said that.
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He just said that what he was going to do was revisit it to see how it could be improved
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to strengthen oversight about government surveillance.
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The promise itself, I think, is weak and so vague as to be meaningless, so I don't really
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know.
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But he did follow through with it.
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Like, he did re-examine the Patriot Act.
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Alex was just pretending that he said he was going to get rid of it.
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Initially, he voted against it when he was in the Senate, and then a year later, he voted
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for its renewal.
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So he has a complicated history with it, but in terms of the wiretapping thing, Alex is
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right.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Alex is right.
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Nope.
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By no means are we going to...
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Obama didn't do enough to curb that.
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Some moves were made and all that.
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But also here we have on screen, Alex has pushed up this, I guess it's a Washington
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Post article, but it's about FISA.
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It's about foreign intelligence surveillance.
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That isn't necessarily what Alex is talking about.
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So he's trying to make this about the idea that all Americans are being spied on, but
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that's not what this article is about.
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So it's more complicated than that.
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I'm willing to give him a bit of a point, and they're like, yeah, he didn't do enough
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on that one.
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The fun thing about this, even watching this now, is that I would posit that the debate
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on Obama's presidency 20 years from now is going to be far more fascinating even than
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the debate on Obama's presidency.
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We're still too close to it a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It will be...
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His legacy will be so interesting to try and work through on a line by line basis.
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Especially once we're out of the crisis that we're in in 2018.
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It's very hard for us to have the gift of insight or force... what would it be?
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Hindsight while we're in like uh-oh times all the time, like just constant chaos.
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But the sort of corollary of that is that this was made two months into his presidency.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So when they're saying he's not outlawing surveillance, he hasn't gotten rid of the
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Patriot Act, two months in, buddy.
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Two months in.
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Not that they're wrong totally, but they have no business saying that they're right because
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that hasn't happened yet.
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Obama pledged that he would filibuster any attempt to give retroactive immunity to the
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telephone companies, the telecom companies, except he then turned around and voted for
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that bill.
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He's right!
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Sharply's fair on that one!
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Balloons!
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Oh my god, balloons are dropping everywhere!
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Voted to reinstate the Patriot Act and more government wiretapping.
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Candidate Obama told desperate factory workers in speech after speech that he was going to
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renegotiate NAFTA and GATT to make it more fair for American workers.
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It is absolutely true that NAFTA was a mistake.
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But then his campaign was caught sending out memos to top corporate leaders telling them
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not to worry and that it was just campaign rhetoric.
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This sounds like a smoking gun, Dan.
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We got one absolutely correct statement that our boy mustache-less Wilford Brimley said.
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And now we're going to keep going.
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So I paused this here just so you could see this article here.
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It's from CTV.CA, a Canadian news organization.
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Sharply's going to say a little bit more about this and then I'll explain what the situation
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is.
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Obama's saying, you know, I'm against free trade, I don't like NAFTA and all those free
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trade sellouts.
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We had Austan Goolsbee going to the Canadian diplomats and saying, don't mind him, he's
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just popping off, that's just election-era rhetoric, doesn't mean anything.
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So real quick, I forgot, this is also still a news camp article.
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Barack Obama was publicly criticizing the North American Free Trade Agreement in a bid
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for votes but privately telling Canadian officials not to worry about it.
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So this is all an interesting piece of bullshit that Webster Tarpley is spinning and they
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are using news reports that were erroneous in order to back up their story.
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This is absolutely a case of a smear, absolutely a case of...
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So here's the situation.
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Sharply is saying that during the 2008 campaign, Obama was just saying that he was against
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NAFTA but he was going around telling people in Canada that it was just blustery campaign
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talk.
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And he has a Canadian article and one local access news channel to defend it.
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So the first problem is that Obama wasn't anti-NAFTA.
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He was just insistent that it needed to be improved to add labor and environmental protections
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into it.
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That was his take on the campaign trail, he was pretty consistent about that.
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Second, the story about him privately reassuring Canadian diplomats through his advisor Austin
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Goolsbee isn't true and most likely it was actually a coordinated smear against Obama
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carried out during the 2008 campaign.
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The story that Alex flashes up on screen, that article from CTV, they reported on February
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27th that there was a memo that an Obama advisor had contacted the Canadian embassy and told
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them that Obama's rhetoric was just, quote, political maneuvering.
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In the fallout from this story being published, Obama's camp denied the story.
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The Canadian embassy denied the story.
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No records could be found of an Obama advisor contacting the Canadian embassy.
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There was no record or transcript anywhere to be found.
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This was days before the Ohio primary, a place where NAFTA was particularly unpopular.
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So both Clinton and Obama, they were painting each other as the one who secretly was most
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in favor of NAFTA.
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By March 3rd, the story had changed to being about Austin Goolsbee, Obama advisor, visiting
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the Canadian consulate in Chicago.
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Yeah.
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And that's where the comment was made.
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This is likely...
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You have a Canadian consulate here?
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Yeah.
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I'll be goddamn.
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We have a lot of consulates.
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We're a metropolitan city.
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Yeah, we're an international city.
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Thumbs up.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome to Chicago.
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The story likely changed because Goolsbee did visit the consulate on February 8th, 2008
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and NAFTA was a topic that came up in his meeting.
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But he flatly denied saying anything close to what was alleged.
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When a write-up at the full meeting was offered, it included this text, quote, on NAFTA, Goolsbee
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suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favor of
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strengthening, clarifying the language on labor, mobility, and environment, and trying
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to establish these as more core principles of the agreement.
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That's pretty much exactly what Obama was saying on the campaign trail.
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There were also parts in this write-up that involved that, quote, political maneuvering
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comment, that were roundly denounced by Goolsbee who said he didn't say anything even close
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to that and it was an inappropriate inference made by whoever had written that report.
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The Canadian Embassy issued an apology that same day on March 3rd, quote, in the recent
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report produced by the Consul General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey in any way
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that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from
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views expressed in private, including about NAFTA.
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We deeply regret any inference that could have been drawn out to that effect.
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In the fallout, accusations were made that Ian Brody, the Chief of Staff for the Conservative
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper, an ally of Bush, had been behind the leak with the interest
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of interfering with the United States election.
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Whatever the case is and whoever was behind it, which is still to some extent unclear,
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this is a situation where somebody did Obama dirty and the lie had a real effect.
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Hillary would go on to win the Ohio primary because of this smear, most likely.
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It's hard to say.
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Obama was gaining ground and he had a chance to win and in the aftermath of that, she did
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end up winning the Ohio primary.
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It's pointless to relitigate that to some extent because of how history ended up working
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out.
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But then McCain would go on to bring up that story even though the truth had come out about
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it to smear Obama on the general election.
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It's insane because it's two stages of it.
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He did nothing wrong.
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Austin Goolsbee did nothing wrong.
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It's clear from it that there's no evidence that-
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They got swift voted.
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More or less by someone within this, conceivably someone within the Canadian consulate who
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was working across purposes in order to paint the picture that Obama was a flip-flopper
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and a liar.
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Right, right, right.
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Then that wasn't the case.
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It was Alex Jones using that, by this point, when he's making this documentary, all the
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information is there.
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He should know that this isn't something that is sincere, it's not real.
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Hard and fast rule now for public politicians.
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Even going down-
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Don't say shit.
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Even going down to the staff, don't have a cartoonishly evil name.
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Goolsbee?
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Goolsbee?
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Yeah.
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Look, I don't want to be that guy.
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I don't want to tell you that you have to change your name, but come on, man.
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You can't be Goolsbee.
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Of course you're going to be in a fucking controversy.
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Goolsbee is tough.
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Your name is Goolsbee.
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Yeah.
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Look, the moment they said that conspiracy theory and you said Goolsbee, I was like,
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there's probably some truth to it.
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It's wrong.
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Turns out now the Canadian embassy is haunted.
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None of it.
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None of it is true, but come on, Goolsbee, I'm going to believe on a little bit of animalistic
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level.
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You're a real human-
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Yeah, yeah.
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Goolsbee.
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You said Goolsbee.
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Probably something true.
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Intrinsic distrust of ghosts.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Or ghost adjacent people.
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Ghost adjacent people, I distrust across the board.
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So anyway, that's hot bullshit, but Alex saw fit to involve it in his documentary, which
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is terrible.
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Then again, by definition, all human beings are ghost adjacent.
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Only if you believe ghosts exist.
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There you go.
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Let's move on.
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He said that he was going to bring us peace in the Middle East.
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No, he didn't.
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He said that he was going to bring us transparency and a balanced economy.
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Get a haircut.
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He said that he was going to not have lobbyists.
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He said he was going to clean up government.
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He said he was going to work for-
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What you're laughing about, you're laughing about, they've spelled out deceiver with Obama
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being the eye.
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Yeah.
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Like Obama's silhouette being the eye deceiver.
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It's clunky as hell.
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It is so clunky.
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I thought they were like, I legitimately was like, are they trying to spell December?
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I honestly tuned that out the first two times I watched this documentary.
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It didn't even register.
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It looks like instead of Obama being the eye, he's like the other part of the M.
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It looks like a Y.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's nonsense.
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It's bad.
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It's bad.
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That's terrible.
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It's terrible.
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Like visual art.
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It's so bad.
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Truly terrible.
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Which is another part of this documentary that's terrible.
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It's visually unsatisfying to the nth degree.
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Which is why, legitimately, when I was going through this trying to find what are the points
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of this documentary, I would end up watching three minutes and then have to walk to the
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bathroom and look in the mirror.
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Just be like-
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Oh, what am I doing with that?
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I got to stand up.
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Are we ever going to-
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Got to stand up.
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What's the payoff here?
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This documentary is two hours long and legitimately, the first time I watched through it, it probably
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took me two days.
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Just because I kept pausing, I'm like, nah, I got to read a wrestling article.
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I got to read what's going on with Becky Lynch.
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I got to get my mind off this.
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This sucks.
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This documentary is terrible.
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Hey, it is bad.
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Deceiver.
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...the environment and point by point-
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Get a haircut.
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In the first month of his inauguration, he has lied and deceived and cheated the-
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I feel no obligation to respond to any of these complaints that George Humphrey is making
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here because they're recording this fucking documentary less than two months after Obama
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got into office.
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He's talking about campaign promises and sure, some of it is fair, fair criticism.
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The idea of Obama saying he wasn't going to have lobbyists in his administration and then
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wild waivers for people.
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That sort of thing.
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Sure, fair criticism, but some of these other things that require time, it is so unfair
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of them.
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It's nonsense.
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No, the bullshit, first hundred days arbitrary bullshit that the media throws on there is
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stupid.
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Two months is even dumber, even dumber.
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Since I was sitting down and listening to all of this, I just kept getting this feeling.
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It really was overwhelming that trying to figure out why they think what they think
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two months into his term is a futile exercise.
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Black.
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Black.
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Maybe.
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He's a black president, Dan.
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Maybe.
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Done.
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Probably.
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Done.
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It was a futile exercise.
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They've already decided he's breaking all the promises.
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They decided that whenever-
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It doesn't matter.
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They decided that before he won the primary.
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You bet.
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Yeah.
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When Alex started making this documentary.
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Black.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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What I've realized from this, when we've been listening to 2009 episodes and Alex was talking
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about like, I'm going to finish this documentary up-
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I'm going to give him a chance.
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Yeah.
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No, no.
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When he's like, I'm working on this documentary.
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I'm working 16 hour days.
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I guarantee you, first of all, I worked harder on this than he did on this documentary.
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Oh, great.
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But second, I'm convinced now as I watch this documentary, so much of it is padded, filler
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from like, Endgame.
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A lot of it is stuff that is just like, CFR sucks.
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Stuff like that, that has nothing to do with Obama.
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I guarantee no matter who won, he was going to make this documentary.
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It would be the Clinton deception or something like that.
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Absolutely.
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In Hillary it won.
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Absolutely.
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It doesn't matter.
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None of this matters.
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And Alex's response to that would be like, of course I would have done that because it's
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about who's behind them.
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Right.
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Whatever.
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So it's a futile argument to make.
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The points that he's making rely on the specifics of what Obama has done, did do, who he put
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into the positions that he put in.
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And it does matter.
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It does matter who won the election for Alex's argument.
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And it just, I look at this and I'm like, this is the crassest fucking thing in the
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world.
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It makes me feel gross that we're covering it.
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I mean, we still got to.
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I mean, on the, on the, on the same, on the same level.
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I, I agree.
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I think one, the one thing that this makes eminently clear, and I've, I've, I've already
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been on this tip and I've said it furiously and loudly so often, but these people are
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the rich.
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Uh, well, uh, they're probably delicious.
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They've been eating nice food for so long.
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You marbly, but so good.
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Um, you just get a flank out of, uh, uh, Allen Greenspan.
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Uh, the, the futility of arguing with somebody in this kind of bad faith, like why, like,
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why would you go big problem, right?
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Like why would you watch this documentary and then think, oh, well going on Fox news
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to get my point out there is going to make sense.
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No, these people decided years before you showed up on their fucking show, what their
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narrative was going to be and you have nothing to do with it.
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That faith part of it is like, that's the bedrock of it.
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Yeah.
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The added comedy of like, he's been in office like 45 days.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That is that, and it's 45 days when the documentary was released, right?
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Which means it was finished 44 days before.
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But when these interviews happened were, I don't know, negative 10 days before he was
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inaugurated.
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You would hope, you know, like it's, it's this sort of thing where it's like, I don't
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even know how to take this seriously.
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Yeah.
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And I understand that like there's valid criticisms of Obama and we have them as well, but like
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I can't take this seriously.
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Yeah.
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It made it so like, again, I just had to keep walking away from it.
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Yeah.
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And I'm, this is going to haunt me much more than end game.
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It really pisses me off.
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To prove the thing I said eight and a half hours ago, I really miss Obama.
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Back when you were at home before you came over here.
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I really miss, this documentary showed me how much I miss Obama being president.
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Are you so good as president?
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I mentioned this in like, I mean, I don't know about the actual president part, but
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God damn it.
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And waking up every day and watching him talk.
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I mentioned, I mentioned this like really early in the first episode is that like when
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I was going through trying to find those points from those, those speeches that Alex was taking
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out of context, I ended up watching the whole speeches because he like Obama is an amazing
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speaker and he's able to convey points in a way that's really interesting to listen
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to like, Oh, that's what you're getting at.
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Yeah.
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Like he, he lays out an argument and it's not just like, Hey, uh, those people in the
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back in the media, they fucking suck.
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Right.
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Right.
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No.
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And uh, whatever.
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Hey, maybe, maybe you know, Jew is paying that caravan.
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Like what?
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Wait, we need to get some of these second amendment people to write my speech.
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I can't imagine a scenario where in like, I forget that Trump was president a couple
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of years from now.
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Oh, good God.
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No.
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That happens.
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And then I'm doing it, uh, like a podcast about a documentary about Trump and I go back
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and I watch some of the speeches and I'm like, I forgot how like really great these speeches
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were.
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Man.
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Yeah.
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The American people.
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The people of the United States and the world were filled with hope that Obama was the real
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deal when in his first week in office, he signed an executive order supposedly closing
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Guantanamo Bay and other secret prisons.
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Then the press actually had a chance to read the executive order and were shocked to find
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that the executive order only said that Obama was thinking about closing Guantanamo in a
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year.
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So Alex says that Obama signed this executive order saying he's thinking about closing Guantanamo
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Bay.
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Are there executive orders that are like...
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That's a diary entry.
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That's not an executive order.
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Executive order number 4,300 or actually in my earlier, in my earlier pronouncement, one,
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one, one, one executive order.
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One, one, zero, zero, zero, one, one, one, one, one, zero, zero, zero, zero, one, one,
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it can't be like, yeah, I'm thinking about having a, having a nice meal for lunch today.
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Executive order one, one, zero, zero, one, zero, zero, zero, one.
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I'm thinking Arby's branded content in executive order.
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Brilliant.
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I don't understand what the fuck...
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Executive order one, one, one, zero, zero, zero, I had a dream about bears and I don't
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know what that means.
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I don't understand what Alex is trying to present because it's a ludicrous proposition.
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The idea that a president of this country would put out an executive order, it's like,
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I kind of feel this way.
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Like that's stupid.
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That's fucking stupid.
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Anyone who would hear that and be like, oh, he did.
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You have to sign your name to, I'm thinking about closing Guantanamo.
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In reality, he signed executive order 13492, which set an explicit timetable to close Guantanamo
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and relocate the people being held there.
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Now, admittedly, they ended up blowing it in terms of actually following that timetable,
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but Alex can't know that in March 2009.
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Oh, he can't?
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He can't know that.
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The substance of the actual executive order sets a timetable of a year when they're going
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to reevaluate the position of all of the people who were held there and also reinforces the
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idea that they have to be kept in humane conditions according to the Geneva Conventions.
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Now while it's bad, oh, sorry, this refers to something that Alex is about to say.
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But worst of all, the executive order continued the practice of rendition, which the LA Times
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called secret abductions.
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Because that's the definition.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what they are.
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So he's saying that it's bad that they didn't end renditions, but it's also, I mean, it's
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just not in the executive order.
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All Alex is saying is that the executive order about the timetable to close Guantanamo Bay
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didn't also include, hey, also, let's stop renditions.
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I wish that Obama did stop renditions.
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I wish that that would never happen.
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But it also isn't expected to be like a compound executive order.
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Like he's attacking him for something that is not even a part of.
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It is fascinating because so far the most salient criticisms he's made of Obama can
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only be solved by Obama having fascistic dictator powers or being closer to our version of like
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near socialist left.
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Yeah, because exactly like spoiler alert later on, they're going to explicitly say you should
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nationalize the Federal Reserve.
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All right.
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Well, then it's looking.
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It's just like, I mean, that's, but yeah, it's so.
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So you want to have Obama, you want to blame Obama for not closing Guantanamo Bay.
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How does Obama do that?
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He just says Guantanamo Bay is closed, right?
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So you now have an executive who can just whatever he wants, like your consequences
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of that need to fall where they may and what one of those things that is going to inevitably
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be a part of be a part of that is all of the people who you are now releasing.
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Maybe some of them were actual terrorists and how they are fucking they're super terrorists
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now.
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Yeah, they are.
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You wouldn't you like hero season three with five.
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Yeah.
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If you are actually reference.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to.
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I was going to walk over that.
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Sorry.
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If you are a terrorist that has been held indefinitely and force fed, you are not going
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to suddenly be released and be like, oh, okay, cool.
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Now I'm not a terrorist.
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The whole reason that they, the whole reason that they didn't fucking close it is because
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if the, because they knew that there were so many people that they were holding who
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were innocent, who are going to sue the fuck out of them and who are going to fucking win
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to the tune of a lot of money.
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That's what I was about to get to.
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Yeah.
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Because that is a also, which is, I don't know why I'm mad in the wrong, I don't know
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how I'm mad in that direction.
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Everybody's bad.
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Except for the people who are innocent, who are held in Guantanamo Bay, who deserve restitution
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beyond all reasonable measure.
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They absolutely do.
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But you have, you have to consider the, like what that ends up doing is forcing the issue
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too of like all of these people going to the Hague.
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Oh yeah.
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It creates, which actually I would say, let's go ahead and do it, but I'm talking myself
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in a circle.
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I think you probably should have just released everybody and let the chips fall where they
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may.
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Probably.
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Because it's mainly the right thing to do.
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At least then maybe he wouldn't have wound up in the Hague.
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I think that he's signed off immediately on closing Guantanamo, but he's allowing prisoners
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now to be taken to foreign countries and not knowing where they're sending them and to
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be tortured in foreign countries.
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They don't know that they kept that provision in there.
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Barack Obama is now continuing the practice of secret arrest, secret prisons, and most
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importantly, indefinite detention without trial, which you will be for a scant 10 years
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from now.
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Release secret British and U S torture orders that prove that the Bush administration was
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ordering personnel to systematically abused detainees.
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Barack Obama threatened to cut off all U S intelligence ties to England to add insult
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to injury.
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He stated that the program was important to national security, not only endorsing Bush's
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crimes, but continuing them.
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So on screen here, we have on screen here, we have the ACLU.
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Alex is referencing the ACLU, which is absolutely despises and hates and hopes dies for Alex
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do better.
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But the story that he's talking about, they are a good resource for factual information.
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But the story he's telling makes no sense because by this time, like by 2009, by the
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time Obama was even running for president, everyone knew that the Bush administration's
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position was pro torture.
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Like it was a national disgrace and we did a pretty public debate about it and the administration
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said, man, who cares?
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They didn't really give a shit about it.
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And then we like, I think a lot of activist people were like, no, you go to the Hague
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now.
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I mean, I remember being in a protests were, I mean, I was in fucking Columbia, Missouri,
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no shit.
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But that was the thrust of them.
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Like you are a fucking war criminal.
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What are we doing?
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Like that, that the revelation of the torture was like, it was so profoundly impactful.
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Yeah.
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So sorry.
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In 2009, Alex saying that like Obama is trying to block these documents coming out in some
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way to be a denial or like hide the fact that Bush tortured people is ludicrous.
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Everyone fucking already knew already at that point.
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And Obama was clear on his position that he would end torture and waterboarding and he
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fucking did.
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He absolutely did indeed.
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Some of the gray areas about like third countries and stuff like that is bad.
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But he cut down on that to a great degree.
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Right now.
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I'm not saying I'm not saying that's good enough, but right.
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It's it's hard to say like, yeah, you made it so that Americans didn't torture people.
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You did kind of outsource it though.
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So yeah, exactly.
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Right.
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And before.
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Right.
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Not that that's good.
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I don't know.
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Are we are we pro?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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You hope you hope that you just do none of it.
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You know, but I think that's the central issue with Obama's presidency, that we are going
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to relitigate 20 years from now.
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To what extent is incremental change morally acceptable?
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Well, I think based on the fact that it led to Trump, it's not at all.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Right.
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I would hope that if there was forward progress consistently, then it would matter.
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Right.
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Because what you do today is a building block for what happens tomorrow and what happens
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the next day and what happens the next day.
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Right.
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It is like, OK, we can't achieve everything today, but we do what we can and we swallow
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the hard pill that we don't want to be doing this.
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And it sucks.
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But it is what's best for maintaining exactly appropriate status quo.
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Right.
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I know that Hillary is going to be the next president and she's going to incrementally
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do better than that.
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And even in that calculation, we're not taking into account how much that is still horribly
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abusive to the rest of the world.
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Exactly.
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And I don't want to minimize that.
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Exactly.
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You would hope that like, you know, X, X plus one, X plus two, X plus three, X plus four,
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X plus five, X plus 10 or whatever, you get to a point where it's not hurting the rest
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of the world.
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Exactly.
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You hope that you're working towards that.
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But since X plus one was Trump, it means nothing.
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So incremental change probably doesn't matter, but it felt like it did.
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It felt like it was, and maybe that's the, maybe that's the true reality that we learn
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about compromise.
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Maybe it's the fuck that, you know, power exists in your hands for a certain amount
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of time.
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Yeah.
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Trying to preserve that power by equivocating and compromising is only serving the interests
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of the people who agree the exact opposite of you.
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And when you are someone who is like, we shouldn't kill people, and the other side's like, go
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ahead and kill people.
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Yeah.
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Then-
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Why are you compromising?
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Then it's abuse of the power that you have for the time that you have it to compromise
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because you had the power to say, no, fuck this.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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It's hard.
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It's hard.
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I, if I were a, like, history master's degree student right now, going for my PhD, yeah,
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for real.
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You're a Fulbright scholar?
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If I was a Fulbright scholar going for my PhD, I would definitely write about how the first
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two years of Obama's presidency was probably the linchpin of history.
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Maybe the first two months, as evidenced by this documentary.
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Yeah, I wouldn't go that far.
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I would say the first two years were the linchpin of history.
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You may be right.
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Well, at least modern history, because there's so many other things that have pivoted, but
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I know that's not-
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History's not going to last much longer, Dan.
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Don't worry about it.
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Sure.
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Climate change.
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In this argument, Alex is trying to imply that Obama was trying to protect the secrets
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of Bush, and that's not fair, because the secrets are already out there about Bush torturing
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people, so it's impossible that that's what his motivation was.
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In reality, if you look into this, Obama threatened to limit intelligence sharing with the United
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Kingdom if they released that information, but not because it revealed torture, but because
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it would reveal some of the information that was gathered through the course of the interrogations.
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Now, I still don't think that's great, but it's very different.
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It's a very different scenario than what Alex is painting.
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He's not trying to protect Bush or the idea that we tortured people.
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We had already owned up to that, and we felt bad about it.
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He's trying to protect the idea that there is some information that was gathered from
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interrogations of people that would be released if the British put these reports out.
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Right, right, right.
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So I don't know.
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Some people have speculated that contained in that information that the British would
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have released was the information that Obama used to track down bin Laden.
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It's not entirely clear.
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That's just something that's been suggested, but if that's the case, then that's a really
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good argument.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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That's all I got to say is I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're not going to win.
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That's the bummer of this right now.
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Well, no, but the explanation of it we do win because he's lying.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no.
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Absolutely.
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On the...
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But again, just like with our last documentary, I'm rapidly forgetting that we are watching
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a documentary because this is just a...
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This is a series of visuals and chyrons and all of that shit that have very little relationship
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to each other.
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No.
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No.
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And little to do with Obama.
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Yeah.
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And now we're just kind of freewheeling.
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Obama voted for reinstatement of the Patriot Act.
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Yep.
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And by his early deeds already again, as we saw with his...
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One month into his presidency.
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No.
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He voted for the fucking Patriot Act in 2006.
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He was in the fucking Senate.
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No.
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He means his early deeds as president.
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I think he meant his early deeds like in the Senate.
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Oh, okay.
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I think that's what he meant.
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Then never mind.
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I'm good.
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I'm charged with nothing to be tortured until so-called get the truth out of them.
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If the makers of this film attempted to cover all of Obama's lies, this documentary would
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never be released.
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Buy a copy of the DVD of the Obama Center at infowars.com.
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I love the idea that Alex is like, if the makers of this film, me, tried to do my job,
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it would be long.
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It would take a while, which is why I have misspelled everything.
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It's crazy trying to present it that way, like the makers of this film.
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I got fucking hired to do voiceover work.
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Like PBS is involved.
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Because there are new ones every day.
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Every day.
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So in the interest of time, we're going to cover one more big one.
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There's an hour left of this documentary.
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The cornerstone of his campaign, keeping lobbyists and donors out of his administration.
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Within hours of being elected, Obama did a 180 and filled the White House and federal
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government with lobbyists and donors at all levels.
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Now, Obama did say on the campaign trail he was not going to allow lobbyists to work on
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anything that was related to the industries that they had previously lobbied in.
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He did make those promises, and he didn't follow through with them fully.
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That is a fair criticism.
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And by the time he made this documentary, that is still a fair criticism, because the
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people that he put into place were people that had gotten waivers and things like that.
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But when he got into office, Obama did sign an executive order strengthening ethics rules
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about the hiring of lobbyists.
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But it also allowed those waivers to be filed, which kind of undermines the enforcement power
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of the executive order to begin with.
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I'm not interested in defending Obama on this front or any front, really.
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And I wish he would have stuck with that commitment.
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But ultimately, it's also the sort of thing that all presidents do.
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Like if Alex had this big of a problem with Obama doing this, I just can't imagine how
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he feels about what Trump did.
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I know that our idealism and what we wish would be true is so caught up in this.
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And Alex is exploiting that to a certain extent, because we wish that this had been the case.
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But if you look at almost every president ever, they're like, special interests are
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out when I'm in.
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And then they find a way to...
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So Alex is going to get into some of the lobbyists that were involved in Obama's campaign.
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Are they all on the Council of Foreign Relationships?
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I think we're through that CFR chunk.
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But some of these are interesting examples, and some of them are really fucking terrible.
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Obama picked William Linn, the top lobbyist for Raytheon, to fill the number two position
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of the Department of Defense.
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So he did.
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He looks like he's a robot.
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Yeah, he does.
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He looks like he was grown in a fucking tank.
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So William Linn being put in was a controversy.
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Like the mainstream media also had a firestorm with him.
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Yeah.
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They were very against this.
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Yeah, nobody was stoked.
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Because he was a lobbyist for Raytheon.
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That's 100% correct.
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I agree.
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Alex isn't lying about that.
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Yep.
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It's definitely not a good look, since he had been recently working for Raytheon.
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It wasn't even like years in the past.
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The argument was that he was very qualified for the position at the Defense Department,
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given that he was also an Undersecretary for Defense from 1997 to 2001 in the Clinton administration.
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He'd also been a senior fellow at the National Defense University, so he had qualifications
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for the job.
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Right.
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In his waiver, it was specified that he'd not be able to work in any matters that related
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to any of the six programs that he'd previously been a lobbyist for.
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Is that good enough?
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Probably not.
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That is your first example of Obama's malfeasance, meaning you probably have a weak argument?
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Probably.
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A little bit.
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Because you could... I don't want anybody who has a financial interest doing anything.
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Right.
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I don't want them anywhere.
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Right.
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But I do see why William Lynn would be a very qualified candidate to be the Undersecretary
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of Defense.
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Right.
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I get it.
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I do understand.
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But if there is oversight and awareness of like, you get out of line, I'm going to fucking
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hit you.
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Right.
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That sort of thing.
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Right.
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I don't think he would be ineffective in that role.
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I don't know.
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I still would say... It's that ultimate question of like, you have someone who has a good resume,
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great qualifications, good for the job.
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Do you deprive yourself of their experience because of the former job they had?
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I don't know the answer to that question.
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There's probably people who are equally qualified, but maybe they didn't click right with the
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other people who were involved.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's not my decision to make.
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Alex is kind of fine on this.
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Yeah.
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He has a decent point.
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I would say if there's another decent point, who cares?
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We're never going to get to the bottom of it.
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Exactly.
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Fuck that guy.
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Boom.
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That's a terrible animation.
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Tim Geithner was never a lobbyist.
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That looks like one of those Taiwanese animations.
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Like his chief of staff, Mark Patterson, formerly the top lobbyist at Goldman Sachs.
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Like I said, Tim Geithner was never a lobbyist.
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He was the president of the New York Federal Reserve, but he wasn't a lobbyist.
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Mark Patterson worked at Goldman Sachs, but he left the firm in April 2008.
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That's probably not enough time separation for my tastes, but they felt he was well qualified
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for the position.
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He was a Democratic staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Finance Committee from
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1995 to 1999, and from 1999 to 2004, he was the policy director for Senate Democratic
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leader, Tom Daschle.
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So it's not like he's only a lobbyist.
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He was woefully unqualified for the position he was being put into.
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I don't know.
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I don't know, Alex says that fucking Tim Geithner got in and he is presenting him as a lobbyist.
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He wasn't.
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And then he's saying he packed the Treasury Department with lobbyists.
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This is the one example he's got.
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That's not packing the department.
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The chief of staff is a former lobbyist, but also maybe qualified.
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He's not indicting the people or Obama.
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He is indicting the revolving door system, which I am fine with.
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If you want to indicting the people, no, I mean, that's that's what I'm saying.
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Like he's he's ostensibly saying that it's about these people, individuals, when in reality,
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it's about the entire system that has created the government that we exist in now.
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Well, now, if he wanted to make a documentary about that, I think it'd be a lot different.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think it would look that's that's what I'm saying.
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Like all of the places where he has a point have nothing to do or are not specifically
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about these people, like all of the places where he has a point about the people.
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Exactly.
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That's where he's wrong.
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Yeah, I am with him on on like get money out of Geithner.
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Geithner is a fucking asshole.
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And these guys shouldn't be lobbyists and they shouldn't be in the government.
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But that's not about Obama.
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I know Geithner is not a lobbyist.
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Alex doesn't.
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Well, that's fair.
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But but it's not it's not like these guys are the individuals who are doing this.
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This is part of a broader system of a revolving door in politics and lobbyists and and so
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on and so forth.
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I get where he's coming from and I agree on a certain level.
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But he's wrong.
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I understand.
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I understand where that agreement comes from.
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But the actual charges that he's making are not what you're concerned about.
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Agreed.
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That's the problem with this.
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That's the problem with this.
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Because because the things you need to wrestle with are the things that we're talking about
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in terms of these people's actual resume.
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Right.
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And it's like, well, if you had just taken a lobbyist for Rayathon, who had no experience
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in the Defense Department, right.
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Or as a fellow at the National Defense University.
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Right.
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And you'd put them in that position because they would be able to profit in some way.
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Then we have the absolute signs of corruption.
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Absolutely.
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If that person had an experience in government and was someone who is relevant to the job,
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it's not the same thing as that revolving door thing.
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It is.
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It's adjacent to it.
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But it's not the same.
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It's not the same as like Betsy Devos being the Department of Education secretary.
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That's absolutely not the same.
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It's the same as Ben Carson being the head of HUD and not like their lobbyists or anything
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like that.
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But it is the like those are people who are uniquely unqualified to be in the positions
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that they're in.
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Right.
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These people, even though they had a history as lobbyists, were qualified.
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Right.
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So you.
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Yeah.
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No.
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And it's just it's a decision I'm glad I never have to make.
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Right.
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But I look at it and like I see both sides of this.
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I don't think this is a damning indictment of anything.
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No, I agree.
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But if Alex has an example of someone who is dead to rights unqualified coming up, then
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I'll agree with him.
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Absolutely.
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Let's see.
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Obama appointed top lobbyist to the Saudi royal family, George Mitchell, as the lead
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Middle Eastern envoy.
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Obama appointed the.
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So this George Mitchell, he had been employed at DLA Piper, previously to being chosen as
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Obama, his choice for the Middle East envoy.
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But I can find no evidence he was actually lobbying for Saudi Arabia or the royal family.
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Interestingly, has he ever registered as a foreign agent retroactively?
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I don't think so.
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But interestingly, the firm he worked for after leaving the Obama administration did
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do some lobbying work for Saudi.
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But that was in 2015.
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Right.
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I can find no evidence that he did any before that.
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But Alex couldn't know about that in 20 2009 course.
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So Mitchell is an interesting case because leave aside the unproven Saudi lobbying claims
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and you have a perfect candidate for the job and simultaneously maybe the dirt worst.
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On the one hand, Mitchell has a resume a mile long of lobbying for big tobacco manufacturing
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interests in the insurance lobby.
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It makes me very uncomfortable about it.
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At the same time, the position Obama was looking to fill was the special envoy for Middle East
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peace.
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And Mitchell had a fucking good set of qualifications there.
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He'd previously served as special envoy for Northern Ireland from 1995 to 2001, where
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he was involved in the Belfast peace agreement and earned that earned Mitchell a Liberty
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Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom because he resolved a very tense situation
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in Northern Ireland, which isn't perfect still, but it was way worse.
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In 2000, Bill Clinton sent Mitchell on a fact finding mission to see what he could learn
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about the Arab-Israeli conflict.
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In 2001, he released the Mitchell Report, which called for the Israelis to fucking stop
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building settlements in Palestinian territories and called for the Palestinians to work on
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preventing violence.
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No, I remember the Mitchell Report.
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Beyond that, he was a senator from Maine from 1980 to 1995.
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He was a Senate majority leader for six of those years, and he was a senior fellow and
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senior research scholar at the Columbia University Center for International Conflict Resolution.
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That is a very specifically qualified resume for someone that Obama might look to to be
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the special envoy for Middle East peace.
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Should he have been disqualified because he had done lobbying work for these other industries
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in the past?
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Maybe.
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I don't fucking know.
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But that's a great resume for someone who wants to send over.
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He has experience in Middle East peace negotiations.
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He successfully, in quotes, largely made progress in Northern Ireland that seemed hopeless before.
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He has diplomatic and conflict resolution experience and is someone in good standing
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with a 15-year record as a senator.
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Right.
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And the point here, though, is his job is Middle East envoy.
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It's not overseeing...
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No, no, it's special Middle East envoy.
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I apologize.
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Sorry.
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I apologize for cutting him short.
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But it's not overseeing other shit.
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His job is literally leave the rest of the shit alone.
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It's see what you can do on this issue that you already had experience in 2001 and probably
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have a lot of connections in that world, a lot of people who would be more willing to
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talk to you than other people.
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It's someone who is easy to plug into that role.
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I don't know.
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I don't fucking know.
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I don't know what to do with this.
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Like, because if he was able to be in that role and there were ethics rules in place
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about like nothing you do can in any way touch any business that you have lobbied for, I'd
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be fine with that because it's unrelated to big tobacco manufacturing interested insurance.
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Exactly.
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You know, like, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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No, if you...
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Look, I mean, it's like if Jimmy Carter gives up a peanut farm because he's worried about
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ethics issues.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm fine.
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There's a line.
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Yeah.
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And that's when you have a shit ton of hotels that are making a lot more money because you're
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the president and people want to stay there in order to get good graces from you.
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A bunch of special interest groups do tours and stay in your hotel.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think that might be a line.
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Yeah, but see, that's...
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That'll never happen.
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See, that's the thing that I was...
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I'm not saying you're wrong to bring that up because it's fucking super relevant.
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Oh, yeah.
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But that was kind of one of the things that I had hoped we would avoid because it feels
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like whataboutism.
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I know it's not.
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I know it's not.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I agree with you.
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It is just a situation where it's like, well, here's a clear cut example of like what's
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going on now, which is exactly the opposite of what you're saying.
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Right.
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But it does feel like we are trying to... and we're not, but it could appear or someone
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could hear it as us being like, well, let's let Obama off the hook because here's what
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Trump did.
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Right.
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And that is in no way our interest.
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And I'm not saying that.
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I only want to... the only reason that that's important to bring up at all and is relevant
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in any way is to highlight the level to which Alex Jones has given up on any principles
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he ever pretended to have.
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Absolutely.
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Because those principles didn't exist even here.
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Right.
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He's complaining about stuff for points.
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He doesn't really care about that because if he did, he could never be what he is now.
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Right.
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So I'm reticent to like... because I could have brought up Trump a whole lot of other
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times.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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Don't worry about it.
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Just minimize it.
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Because what's the point?
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Right, right.
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It's superfluous, but it's still important.
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The difference between like, okay, if we still lived in the 2009 world of Obama and you were
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like, oh, well, George Bush appointed this guy who has a history of blah, blah, blah.
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And I was like, well, what about blah, blah, blah, you know, that whole thing.
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That's what aboutism.
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It's a situation where we're talking about equivalent whiffs of corruption or right now
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we're talking about Obama's administration starting out with a whiff of corruption and
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Trump's admission administration farting corruption into your goddamn face.
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Or you know, or if I heard that's not what aboutism or the bad version of what we could
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do would be hear Alex complain about George Mitchell and then be like, well, Trump did
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this.
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Oh, yeah.
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Fuck that.
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And not address George Mitchell and pretend he wasn't a lobbyist.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no.
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But what we're doing is like saying, no, that's, that's real.
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Here's the context for this.
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This is why it's complicated.
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Not saying it's the right decision, but it's not as easy as you're presenting it out right
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now.
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Also, you are totally fine with all this.
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Ben Carson is housing development, right?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Is he really still doing that?
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Yeah.
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He's allowed to.
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Flies under the radar.
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He's really bad at it.
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Flies under the radar.
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Everything, everything I've ever read about what he's done so far, garbage.
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Turns out.
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It's almost like he is uniquely unqualified for the position.
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Turns out the society at large views the housing and urban development as a non-crisis thing,
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so they just don't pay attention to it.
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Jesus.
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Well, anyway.
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It's nice to know that our major crises are...
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Crises?
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Crises.
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Crises are so bad, they are ignoring our minor crises, which are far worse than anything
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we've experienced in the past.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, here's who's next.
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King of Wall Street Lobbyists, Leon Panetta, to head up the CIA.
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Was he elected?
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Leon Panetta has never been a lobbyist.
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But was he the king of lobbyists?
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He's not the king of Wall Street lobbyists, as Alex calls him.
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He's made a killing, though, in consulting work and giving expensive speeches that are
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all probably totally above board and ethical, but he's technically not a lobbyist.
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He's never been a lobbyist.
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All the articles you can find about Panetta describe his actions as, quote, activity that
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pretty closely approximates lobbying, but it's not lobbying.
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He's not a lobbyist.
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All of the things, and maybe, maybe he fucking is, and he's really good at hiding it.
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I don't know, but he's not a lobbyist.
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Generally speaking, he is not a lobbyist.
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The money that he's made has been through consulting and speeches and that sort of thing.
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Doesn't change.
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This is nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Including Leon Panetta in here is-
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Let's judge him by his record.
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He's a piece of shit.
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Yes.
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But not in the way that you say he is.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And he's not the king of Wall Street lobbyists.
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How do you become king of Wall Street lobbyists?
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You've got to kill the previous king.
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Is that how that works?
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Absolutely.
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This is Game of Thrones.
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You've got to be the king slayer.
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You've got to be the Jaime Lannister of, yeah, there's a mad lobbyist who's out of control.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He set the New York Federal Reserve ablaze in order to protect against-
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With wildfire.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That's basically it.
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Yeah.
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That sounds right.
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Oh, dude.
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Oh, what?
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I'm going to date this.
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This sucks because when this episode comes out, it's going to be like a week in the past,
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but did you hear about Jack historic?
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Oh, okay.
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No, I didn't hear about Jack.
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I don't want to know anything about this fucking universe.
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Our friend, our dear, dear friend, Jack Pacific, Pizzagate weirdo, and definite Nazi, it turns
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out people dug into some of his past and found on the way back machine a page that he thought
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he had deleted.
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And it turns out he used to write Game of Thrones fan fiction.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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With Donald Trump as a character.
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Oh, hell no.
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And one of the-
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Oh my God.
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Finally, we get to hear what it would be like for Donald to fuck his daughter.
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That's totally fine in Game of Thrones fanfic.
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Well, the-
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Oh, no.
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The one that went around was a story about Donald Trump falling in love with Sansa as
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she was a teen.
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That sounds-
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Very gross.
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Yeah.
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Very gross.
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But anyway-
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That's a little bit too on the nose there, Pizzovic.
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Yeah.
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Let's see who's next.
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Obama tapped Tom Daschle, top lobbyist for healthcare firms, to run the Department of
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Health and Human Services.
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Are these action figures?
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The list goes on and on.
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The list goes on and on, but Alex rushed this documentary.
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Like I said, Obama nominated Daschle, but then it came out that Daschle hadn't filed
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his taxes correctly, and he might have misfiled some deduction to his past.
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So on February 3rd, 2009, Daschle withdrew his name from consideration for Secretary
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of Health and Human Services and was replaced by Catherine Sebelius.
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This is embarrassing for Alex.
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Like he has every reason to know this based on when he's making the documentary, when
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it came out, yet he kept this in.
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Why would he keep this in?
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By the time he released this, it was a month past when Daschle took his name out of consideration.
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It's already in.
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He's acting as if that he made it even to the confirmation process.
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And the footage plays.
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No, because he made this animation.
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It's awful.
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It's 100%.
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This is really bad.
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The animation is terrible, but he clearly paid through the nose for it, and-
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Well, yeah, you gotta- look, it plays.
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Yeah.
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Listen-
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He's like-
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Print the legend, Dan!
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God damn it, I'm not gonna pay for you to reanimate Catherine Sebelius.
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God damn it.
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What the fuck?
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Rob Doo, get over here.
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Gotta- gotta-
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That would really fuck up his day if he animated Catherine Sebelius.
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Starts hitting Rob Doo to take some energy out.
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Grrr.
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Ooh, that sounds too close to home.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Tom Daschle was never a part of the Obama administration, so this is- this
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is real fun.
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Yes, he was nominated, and yeah, sure, he did have, uh, you know, some links to lobby,
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but-
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Totally fine.
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He didn't make it in.
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Goodbye.
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And never would have passed the confirmation process.
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Goodbye.
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Bye-bye.
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Bye-bye.
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Then, three weeks into his administration, Obama launched a new lie, more outrageous
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than the previous.
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With Academy Award-level conviction, he said that he was upset about the banker bailout,
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which his own chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, another former Wall Street executive, had
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engineered.
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So, I can't find any evidence that Rahm in any way wrote the 2008 bailout bill or had
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any meaningful involvement in its passage outside of, like, he was a member of the House
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before.
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I- I- I don't know, I- there's not even any articles on Infowars, like, I searched through
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all of Infowars, like, looking for Rahm articles and stuff like that.
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There's no evidence of this anywhere.
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So I just have to- I just have to, like, I just assume it's bullshit, and especially
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considering earlier in the documentary they said it was Larry Summers and Alan Greenspan
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who did it.
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So, like, I don't- I don't understand all of them, all three of them together, what's
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going on?
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Yeah, throw him in there.
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This is one of these-
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What else you got?
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This is one of these things that's super essential-
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Name another guy.
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Uh, Borat.
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I get it.
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My wife's pension fund is empty.
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No, no, no, no.
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So, there's this thing that's really important to understand, and it's what Alex Jones and
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Webster Tarpley and all of these assholes do.
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It's the way they do their propaganda.
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What they do is they make an extravagant, unsupported, sensational claim.
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They don't prove it, and then you're like, no, and then they prove me wrong.
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You can't play that game.
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That game is a losing game, because, like, no, I don't have to prove that.
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Now it's your job to prove that Rahm wrote the fucking 2008 bailout bill, where he was
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deeply involved in it.
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Prove what you- because you're the one who made the claim.
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I can't be expected to prove a negative, because then all I can do- the only way I'm gonna
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ever satisfy this is, like, I find Rahm, and I'm like, give me a detailed accounting of
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literally everything you did in 2008, or Alex Jones is right.
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Dan, centaurs invented astronomy, and you can't convince me otherwise.
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I would- look.
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Prove it.
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Alright?
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I guess I can't.
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I don't bend to that kind of pressure.
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Like, I don't under- I don't care.
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You know what I mean?
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I think a lot of people, they would hear this, like, Rahm did the bailout.
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And then, they'd be like, I don't know that to be true.
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I don't think that's true now, because it'd be like, prove me wrong.
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Show me how he didn't do that.
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Show me that he didn't do that.
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I have HR 11000111111100011100011101.
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You do that, blustery bullshit, and then the person would be like, oh, I guess he knows
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what he's talking about.
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And I don't cut into that bullshit.
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I don't care.
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Like, I will say this.
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If you prove to me in any way that this is true, I'll revise my position, but until then,
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I'm not going to spend my fucking life trying to disprove a position that history denies.
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You know, like, it's not worth it.
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There's so many things like that.
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It's so deeply frustrating.
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You can't prove a negative.
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Dan, someday I'm going to have to teach you about religion.
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Obama said that he had signed an executive order capping the CEO salaries of those who
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had taken the bailout money.
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He didn't sign an executive order.
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That was just part of the rules of the bailout bill.
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Yeah, that wasn't an executive order.
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There was just two problems.
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All the major banks and brokerage firms were exempt, and the new order only dealt with
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any future bailouts.
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And those were to be on the honor system.
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This isn't fair.
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It gets people upset, and rightfully so, are executives being rewarded for failure.
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I want to respond to all this, but I really don't care, because something's about to happen
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in this documentary that makes me so fucking happy, so I'm going to leave this aside.
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Pat, punt.
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Yeah, I'm going to leave this aside.
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Assume you're lying, you fucking piece of shit.
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Alex is being deeply unfair about a lot of these groups that, even by the end of 2009,
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were already starting to pay back the bailout funds.
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It's just nonsense.
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Right, right, right.
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Look, nothing went perfectly, but nothing went as bad as he says.
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Right.
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IG, Bank of America, and Citigroup, which have received billions in bailout money, don't
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fall under this plan.
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Only banks negotiating future agreements with the government will be restricted.
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But this appears to be built on an honor system, and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs
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had a hard time explaining.
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I remember you.
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From the plane.
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You fucking idiot.
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I will get clarification from treasurer on that.
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Generally speaking, this is already the biggest liar and the biggest disappointment that we've
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seen in recent history, and again-
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Two months in.
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At best.
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Two months in.
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At best.
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This could be-
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Two days later.
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Okay.
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Delivering on promises.
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Bottom line-
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I gotta be honest, it doesn't matter any of this stuff, like what I'm telling you, something's
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about to happen in this documentary that changes the fucking game.
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Okay.
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I'm so excited about this.
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All right.
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Obama is a fantastic-
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So this is our mid-game, if you will.
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An even better liar, his track record is clear.
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He has done the opposite of everything he told the people he would do.
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For three weeks.
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They'll make up one lie after another.
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If you believe these people, knock yourself out.
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I don't believe a word they say.
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Get their asses, Cilenti.
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I love the delivery.
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I love it.
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I love it so-
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That's not what I was talking about.
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No, no, no.
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I love that delivery.
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Oh, I know.
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If you believe these guys, yay!
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Get out of here!
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Within one month of the passage of the first banker bailout bill, the press reported that
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over $5 trillion had just disappeared out of the U.S. Treasury.
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That's not true.
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Holy shit.
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What?
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That's not true.
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How could you even make that claim?
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That's absolutely not true.
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That's such an insane amount of money to pretend disappeared.
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That's absolutely not true, but the specifics of it, Alex, we'll get into a little bit further
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down the road, so we'll deal with it.
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I'll deal with it, though.
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Billions of dollars disappeared in Iraq.
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Right.
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Yeah, I get that.
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Short-
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$5 trillion is enough to bankrupt all of us.
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Short version of what he's talking about, just to give a little bit of a context.
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I promise we'll get more into it, but he's conflating the bailout $700 billion with funds
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that were lent by the Federal Reserve to other banks.
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Gotcha.
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So there's trillions of dollars that are being-
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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The Federal Reserve, and he's pretending that money just went missing when it didn't.
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Right.
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No.
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It's not-
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Of course not.
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What?
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By December, the amount of money that had been stolen had reached $8.5 trillion.
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Stolen?
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The leadership of both political parties circled the wagons and would not discuss where the
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money had-
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Yeah, he says both political parties yet only shows the Democrats.
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And-
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Only shows Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel back there, a couple other-
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Barney Frank.
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Yep.
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Done.
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You're not close to righty for what's about to happen to you.
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There are at least four score people now-
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Yeah.
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Screaming and-
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There's like 300 people here probably.
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I'm being probably generous.
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Yeah, you're being way generous.
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But Alex is in the middle of it with Tyranny Crusher 7.0.
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Tyranny Crusher 7.0.
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And man, get, like buckle your fucking seat belt.
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Dude, you have been teasing this for like four minutes of this documentary, which is
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eight hours in real time.
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And Americans protested the private federal reserve system at all 38 of their regional
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governorship offices.
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Arrest Bernanke and Paulson!
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Get up.
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I'm going to call the criminals that stole the Baker bailout money!
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Hey.
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Hey.
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It was refreshing to see people standing up against the real power structure, not-
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That sounds like something Alex wrote in his goddamn diary.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was refreshing to see the people-
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Oh, man, I, I, oh, based on this, I bet he fucking loved to occupy Wall Street, right?
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Being distracted by the elite's front men, like George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
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We traveled to Dallas, Texas to cover We the People, taking on the real enemy.
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Oh, no.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Wait, wait.
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No.
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Hey, I want to talk to the workers up there on the parapet, the ones smoking cigarettes
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that just jumped back.
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You, you're with the American people.
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We know that.
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But understand, as the workers inside, you're not in a federal government building, you're
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in a private federal reserve that uses that name as a fraud.
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So we've already been over that, which is fun to hear him yelling into a bullhorn at
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a couple of people working on the top of a building.
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It's nice.
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Who are laughing at him.
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They're laughing at him.
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This is a different bullhorn, by the way.
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That's tyranny crusher eight.
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It's like if my first name was Federal Reserve Jones.
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What?
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I'm still not the federal government.
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What?
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I'm still not a federal agency.
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But if I said my name was Federal Reserve, I could go out and pay off politicians.
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I understand why you are making sense, sir.
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And I would like you to continue talking, please.
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One hundred percent more.
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I understand why he thought the KRS one was making sense in this documentary.
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If he's like, if my name was Federal Reserve Jones, they give me all their money, right?
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To allow me to get into power so I can issue the currency and credit and then I could buy
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up the world.
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That's what these criminals have done.
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Oh, I think that the Federal Reserve is already part of the government.
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They're not.
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It's controlled by cliques of unelected, unaccountable bankers meeting in secret.
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Most of these people have never even been through the formality of a Senate hearing.
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Here's me doing the gift of a jack off motion.
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There you go.
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Or a Senate confirmation.
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They claim that they're part of the U.S. government.
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They like that you are part of the U.S. government.
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But I like that you strongly waded into the Jeff V. Giff argument.
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They have very firm positions, though, with no recognition that you are stepping in there
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coming out hot operation, jackals, hyenas, raptors, all of them wrapped up to the American
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people.
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But I know it, which is where most of them come from.
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Who has chocolate to Barack right now?
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President Obama is saying you got to get together.
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You got to get the economy together when in fact the president has very little to do with
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the economy.
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It's the Federal Reserve chairman who is installed and nominated by the president of the United
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States.
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What the fuck is he talking about?
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This is nonsense.
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They serve a term and then, hey, guess what?
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After that, the president that at least that's a privately owned company.
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No, it's not the Federal Reserve Bank.
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They set the agenda.
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These guys are masquerading as a federal institution.
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They are a private banking consortium.
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Oh, that's Brad Stevens, coach of the Celtics.
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The Federal Reserve is not federal.
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It's a front for a private banking cartel that's on record congressional testimony.
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And they're the ones orchestrating the economic collapse we're seeing right now.
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So that's why we're here.
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For a while at the end of the Fed rally outside the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas, Texas,
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we spoke with Ron Paul's brother, Wayne Paul.
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Oh, no.
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Folks, I am so sorry that that's where we're cutting it off.
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But look, here's the deal.
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We're about to jump off into a section of this documentary that I've been teasing the
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last couple of minutes that you've just been listening to quite a bit.
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And it turns into a long discussion of how stupid the Paul family is.
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And if I'd left that in, this would have just been too long of an episode.
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But now you know from the end of this episode that we're about to learn about Wayne Paul.
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And that, you know what, there's very few times on this podcast that I'm actually able
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to do a cliffhanger.
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And so I'm going to make the most of it.
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And you know what, tomorrow, next episode, Thursday, it's Thanksgiving.
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What better way to celebrate Thanksgiving than to learn about just how off base Ron
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Paul's brother is?
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Anyway, you've got that to look forward to tomorrow.
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I hope you enjoyed today.
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There's a little bit of wishy-washiness in this episode.
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But hey, you know, that's how history is sometimes.
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Until next time, we do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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You can follow us on Twitter.
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Also we are on iTunes.
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You can follow, subscribe, leave a review, that sort of thing is all very much appreciated.
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But hey, until next time, you know what, I realized on the last episode that I talked
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about here at the end, I talked about Survivor Series, the WWE pay-per-view.
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I didn't feel right about it.
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When I was editing this together, putting out the episode, I realized that much better
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than Survivor Series probably was NXT's War Games on Saturday night.
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And that featured probably someone who you think might have killed somebody, and that
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is the great Aleister Black.
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For a wrestler, Aleister Black kicks people really hard to the face, but has not killed
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anybody with his black mask kicked to the face, has not killed anybody.
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But there's one guy that I know of who technically probably killed a dude, and that's Alex Jones.
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Cindy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
