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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan, Dan!
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Jordan.
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What the fuck is going on?
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I can't answer that question for you, that's...
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I just want to know what the fuck is going on, Dan!
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That's a bad interview question.
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I just want to know what the fuck is going on.
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I don't know, man, I'll say that I don't feel great about our last episode, but it's not our fault.
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I don't feel good about it because we were operating under the context, because when we recorded it,
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that the guy who left a bomb in Soros's mailbox was an isolated incident.
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Yeah, that would have been fun!
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I kind of was operating under that assumption, certainly, because why would you assume something other than the facts that are in front of you?
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Right!
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And so, when I posted that episode, I was up until about 1.30 or so on Tuesday night, putting the episode up,
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went to bed, woke up in the morning, boot up the old computer, see how the world is doing...
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Bombs are everywhere!
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That's the first headline I saw.
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Watch out, there's a bomb next to you right now!
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It's crazy because, as I talked about on the Tuesday episode, on Monday night, I had trouble sleeping, barely slept.
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I'm like, ah, finally, I'll get some sleep in.
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I sleep, I wake up, more bombs! I'm like, never sleeping again!
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It's actually your fault! Every time we've gone to sleep, in the past three days, Dan,
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every time we have gone to sleep, we have woken up to finding out another bomb has been sent somewhere.
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I refuse to make that connection, necessarily.
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I'm just saying!
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But yeah, so...
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There are far wilder accusations being thrown around than the very act of sleep is causing bombings.
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It's one of those weird things about covering Alex Jones in the present, because he's so full of shit,
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and the world is so crazy right now, our episodes of the present are almost instantly dated.
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I know, right?
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And they're almost instantly, not inaccurate, but don't have the full picture,
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just by virtue of how everything changes on a dime, on an instant.
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So, I don't, you know, I stand by the things I said, I still believe the stuff I said,
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but also now add in all these other people who have received bombs, as opposed to Soros,
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and I mean, you look at the list of the people, it's still all people that Alex Jones screams about all the time.
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No! Come on!
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I don't think that it's unique that these are all people that Alex yells about,
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because the right-wing world has become so Alex Jones-ified,
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so-ho-ho, so-ho-ho Jones-ified, that...
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I'm just gonna let that sit.
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I intentionally did that while you were taking a sip.
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It's become so much that, that all of the people are attacking all of these people.
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So, it almost becomes such a blur as to, like, what could motivate this?
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To the point where, honestly, if the only way I would be convinced that this is Alex Jones motivated,
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not Trump, Tucker Carlson, all that, just the whole world of the right motivated,
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is if Brian Stelter got one.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because that is, Alex is probably the only person who screams about Brian Stelter all the time.
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Who's really, really mad at Brian Stelter.
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Yeah, you need some sort of control group situation.
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My new theory.
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Scorsese.
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Oh.
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See, why else would De Niro get a bomb along with everybody else?
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I'll tell you why.
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This whole thing is just to mask that Scorsese is pissed off that De Niro spent those 20 years in the wilderness
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doing fucking Meet the Clumps movies or whatever it is he does.
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Meet the fuckers?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Look who's fucking now.
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Look who is fucking now.
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It's not De Niro.
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Yeah, yeah, suck it De Niro.
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Yeah.
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But also someone I don't want to say suck it to is our new donors.
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Amazing transition.
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Thank you.
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Very thrilled to have a couple of new people signing up with the team.
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We appreciate it oh so very much.
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First of all, I'd like to say hey, Jeff.
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Thank you so much for becoming a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Bless you, Jeff.
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Thank you very much, Jeff.
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Also, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who came in on a little bit of a higher level.
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We appreciate it oh so very much.
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Oliver, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mom and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you, Oliver.
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Thank you very much, Oliver.
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Are you coming in at the technocrat level?
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Yeah, such a thrill.
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We appreciate it so much.
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Is that you Oliver North?
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I knew you were listening.
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Ollie.
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I knew you were listening.
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We like that we make fun of Larry Nichols.
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That's true.
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Yeah, that could be.
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That's science.
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We have thanks to our donors and the support.
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We will have our documentary breakdown
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of the Obama deception coming up in the near future.
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I realized I looked at the vote totals.
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There's no way for me to justify doing one of the other ones.
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The will of the people is the Obama deception.
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We must follow through with it.
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So that will be coming up.
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And also, there's a ton of website content
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that will be coming up if we reach that next goal that
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is driving me crazy.
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But for now, Jordan, I said at the top of the show
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that we didn't have all the information at our disposal
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when we did our last episode on Wednesday.
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And unfortunately, I thought, well,
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the only responsible thing to do is now
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that there's more of the story available,
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as much as it sucks to talk about a present-day episode,
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I feel like it's our responsibility
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to jump in and do another present-day episode
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to go over what Alex Jones is talking about now.
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Oh, no.
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So I tuned in, and this is going to be the October 24 episode,
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so from Wednesday.
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In this first clip we're going to be listening to here,
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Alex is talking to Owen Schroyer about the situation that
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has unfolded all around us.
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Oh, no.
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Yes, they did do a sweep of other houses
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Stay there, let's come back and talk
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about this live exclusive coverage
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from the site of what's probably commie bombings.
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Oh, you know.
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Whoa.
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Nicely we got it.
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Coming out the gate hard.
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Nicely we got Owen Schroyer on the scene.
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Oh, shit, I fucked up my clips.
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Actually, that was from March 12 of this year
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during the Austin situation.
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Oh, OK.
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Those were commie bombings.
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Oh, OK, those were commie bombings.
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Yeah, everything got totally mixed up with all my clips.
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I'm sorry, I thought that was one of the present-day ones.
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I got it, I got it, OK.
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I'm sorry.
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All right.
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Here we go.
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This is actually the first clip that we're
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going to listen to here from October 24, 2018.
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Here we go.
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And since the globalists are getting
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ready to carry out OKC2, there's no doubt about it.
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They're playing the exact same propaganda
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that led up to what they did.
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It's not just Alex Jones noticing this today.
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It is people in Congress.
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It's Rush Limbaugh.
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It's Michael Savage.
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It's countless other bloggers and talk show hosts.
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And that's the good news.
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The feds did this in 93.
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They cooked the bomb, trained the driver.
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I'm sorry, I fucked up again.
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Oh, no.
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That was from April 20, 2010.
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I'm sorry, I completely fucked up again.
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All right, now that's two in a row.
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And you know what?
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That could be a coincidence.
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I need three to form a pattern, and then
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I will know whether or not this is going in any direction.
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Honestly, it was my intention to just
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do that the entire episode.
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Like, that would be a way that we could escape actually
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talking about the present.
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But unfortunately, my archives of clips
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are much more difficult to go through
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than I would like to think.
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So those are just the two that I pulled there
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to demonstrate, like, all right, whenever
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he talks about bombings, it kind of goes the same way.
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It's always false flag stuff.
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I don't know if I can trust you when you say that now.
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So here's the first clip from today's episode.
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I don't know if I can trust you.
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This is from October 24, 2018.
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And it's a little bit of a pre-taped thing
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that he did with Roger Stone.
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And you'll see the sort of vibe he's putting out here.
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So I'm sure now that this is one of their big October
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surprises in the next month or two to stage something
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or provocateur something and blame it on me.
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And Roger Stone concurs, we do not want any violence.
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We decry it.
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We stand against it.
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We're winning politically.
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It's the left calling for violence, and shootings,
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police, and beating up Rand Paul and everything else.
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But the fact that they're saying I'm calling for this when I
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never said it is chilling.
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So this is an emergency alert to get out ahead of this.
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Roger?
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Let's be as clear as we possibly can.
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Alex Jones and Infowars do not advocate violence
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against the media or anyone else.
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If there is an attack on any media outlet or any reporter,
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it is not countenance by us, it is not advocated,
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but it is not done by us.
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It is a false flag with the goal of blaming Alex Jones.
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How do we get out ahead of this, though?
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Because this is pure scripting.
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Like you're about to literally invade a country.
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I think we just did.
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I think we just did.
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I think we just did.
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Hey, Mission Accomplice, raise that banner up.
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We did it.
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Because you could hear it.
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Nothing to worry about.
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You could hear in Roger Stone that he's
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like a little bit more, he's using legal language.
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He's like, we didn't countenance this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think that might be because he's getting
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a lot of Mueller heat.
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He might be a little bit of the mind of legal action.
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Any resemblance to characters living or dead
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who have previously called for violence
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towards the media, the specific people who were bombed,
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they do not represent Alex Jones or Roger Stone,
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despite the fact that on countless numbers of times,
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they have called for direct violence towards these people.
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Well, I mean.
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Dot, dot, dot, politically.
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Alex doesn't want violence at all, and he never has.
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That's always been his position, that he is just a peaceful man.
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So let's go back to January 5th, 2018.
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Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back, twisted, a defiler,
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a betrayer, a backstabber, a devil.
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You will pay.
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Yeah, you think I don't see your face, scum?
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You don't think I don't see you, Stelter?
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I see you.
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You understand me?
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I know what you think of me and my family.
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I see you right back.
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You understand that?
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You understand that, Stelter?
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Ah, Stelter, you will fall.
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So I mean, that's a little bit advocating of violence.
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No, no, it's just claiming that he is a demon,
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and that means that you as a moral person
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have no choice but to end the demon.
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That's not violent.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.
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It's like in The Exorcist, where The Exorcist saw the demon
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and was like, all right, we need to negotiate calmly
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and peacefully with you.
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As you do with demons.
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Yeah, of course.
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So I mean, that's a little vague and stuff like that,
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but I mean, here's a clip from March 20th of this year.
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And that somehow it's bad if he controls the executive
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and cleans house.
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Talk about Trump.
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If anything, he's in dereliction of duty
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letting this Clinton cabal run wild at the Justice Department.
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He needs to move on their ass.
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And I mean, like they're calling for extrajudicial,
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that's illegal.
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Once they call, the president can do that with covert action.
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And that's the best thing for the country.
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So the president should take covert action
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against his supposed enemies just because I
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believe that they're saying they're going to do that to him.
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It's extrajudicial, which is illegal.
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He should wait until it's legal for him to kill these people.
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Come on, Dan.
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Right, fair enough.
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But you get what I'm saying.
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It's like there's this nonsensical aspect to Alex's
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like, I love violence.
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I don't love violence.
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Never, never.
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I am totally against violence.
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And you can never say that I have ever encouraged anything
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of the sort.
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Hey, Dan, anybody who says that I encourage violence,
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I encourage you to fill your hand and we'll solve this.
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I'll beat your ass.
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Peacefully.
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So that pre-taped clip with Roger Stone
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is very clearly preemptive damage control
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because I think that they probably
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got the sense of like, uh-oh, we better put out a video
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that we can play in court where we literally
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say, if somebody does something, it is not
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something we encourage.
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They should really have opened every show
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with that video since 1999.
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Yeah, probably.
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So the other thing, too, that's really fun here
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is that in that clip that Alex plays right before his show,
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there's a little bit that he forgot to cut out of it.
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All right, folks, we're going to be covering all of this.
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Are there two people worse than you guys in America right now?
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No, you.
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I think CNN and the New York Times
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were brought in the Iraq war.
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But that's all they wanted.
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He didn't want a response.
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Classical, fascist, fake leftist coward.
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Keep moving.
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And notice that these cowards, all they can do
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is misrepresent, and then they didn't want the answer.
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He wanted to get the little token for his friends
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and his miserable life and then lie about it.
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That's what they do.
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Why did you keep that in?
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Why didn't he cut that out?
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Some guy just looks over and tells him that he sucks.
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And he's like, hey, you know who I think sucks?
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CNN 15 years ago.
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I prefer Roger Stone's response, which was, no, his first
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response, he said, are there any two people worse than you
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right now?
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And Roger's first response is, yeah, you.
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I think that was, I thought that was Alex.
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No, that was Roger.
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I like to keep moving.
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And that was like, first off, I'm only one guy.
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So you got to come up with more than two.
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Yeah, you got to work a little harder on that than when
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you come back.
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You chicken shit.
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Right.
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I'm just, what?
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How would you literally then, is there anybody worse than you?
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The very people who got bombs sent to them, you re-instigated
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the very violence that you tried to decry a moment before.
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You bet.
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And that is not going to not be a theme on this show.
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Oh, God.
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So here's where Alex gets to talking about stuff, actually
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in studio, not in this pre-taped thing.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are live broadcasting worldwide
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with only 13 days out to the 2018 historic elections.
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Bombs sent to Clinton, Obama, CNN evacuated George Soros
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and more right on time so they can play the victim.
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We saw the PR rollout that I was saying use battle rifles
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and bombs and things on the media.
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None of it was true.
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Why would they push that?
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Because they were preparing the ground, ladies and gentlemen,
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and they've got their giant migrant caravans now over
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50,000 people being shipped in on UN and US funded vehicles
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from USAID.
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Nice pivot.
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And it's in mainstream news, what I told you last week,
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that George Soros doesn't pay for it.
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The US taxpayer through the UN pays for it and his foundations
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run the operations.
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That's mainstream news, documents all coming up and they're
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trucked up just like we predicted to slam into the border
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two days before the election.
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There'll be more than 200,000 people when they hit.
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That escalated really quick.
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Yeah.
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Didn't he say more than 20,000 and then he went with 200,000?
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He's saying it's at 50,000 now.
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Oh, isn't it closer to seven?
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The report that I was reading the other day
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was around there, yeah.
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I've made this point many times.
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Alex isn't good with numbers.
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Everything is an exaggeration.
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Everything is more severe than it needs to be.
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A lot of that is really boring.
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That clip is like, but it's exactly what I expect
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to find on Tuesday's show.
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And it's interesting to me that it takes him until Wednesday
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to come out with this narrative because it's
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the obvious narrative.
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It's exactly what...
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Yeah, it's the Fox News narrative.
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It's his knee-jerk reaction.
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That's what you should have done on Tuesday.
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The story was already rolling on Tuesday.
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Oh, yeah.
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And if he had come on his show on Tuesday and been like,
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oh, someone sent a bomb to Soros.
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It's a false flag.
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I bet you next they're going to say that it was Clinton.
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Clinton's going to get a bomb too.
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Then the next day he'd be like, I said this yesterday.
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I knew it.
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You get even more day out of it.
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But instead...
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He's lame.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what it is.
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Like, I know that on our last episode
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I said that there's no universe I believe exists
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that Alex didn't know about Soros getting a bomb.
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Did he maybe not know?
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I wonder if maybe...
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Maybe he didn't know?
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I think it might be possible.
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What?
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Well, I mean, why...
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How is that possible?
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Why would he do this show on Wednesday instead of Tuesday?
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I don't know.
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It makes no sense.
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It doesn't make any sense.
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No, unless all of his shows are heavily scripted.
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They do dress rehearsals.
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He couldn't, like, break the script.
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If that's the case, then I understand why it's like,
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that show is scheduled for Wednesday.
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We have Tuesday's script memorized.
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He's more professional than Jimmy Fallon then.
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He doesn't break.
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We did all the blocking.
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You're doing Tuesday's show Tuesday no matter what.
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I don't care about breaking news.
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Hit your lines.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's possible.
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So in this next clip, he talks more about why it's a false flag.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are live broadcasting worldwide.
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I am your host, Alex Jones.
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And we're 13 days out from the midterm elections
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and all hell is breaking loose, obviously.
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Coming up, I'm going to wait to the second hour,
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but we've got it all ready and prepared for you.
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Dozens and dozens of clips.
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And I'm going to show you the news articles for yourself here in a moment.
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Where in the last few months, you can go see it for yourself.
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I laid out exactly and precisely how they are preparing the public
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for the idea that Trump and the conservative pro-American media
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aren't just Nazis.
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They are.
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But that they are terrorists who are going to attack the media
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and attack universities and attack the Democratic Party.
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Jury's out on that one.
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To say that our political actions are illegitimate
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and that we are going to cause all of this violence.
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So that one is shut down.
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I wouldn't say the last one is true.
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This is a situation where like you just get into this stupid game that he plays
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that there's really no way out of without just saying like I'm out.
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Yeah, I reject this because what he's describing is the media covering Trump's rhetoric.
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Alex's rhetoric in such a way that they're saying hey,
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you know in history a lot of times when people acted this way
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and demonized a certain population that population ended up getting
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attacked.
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Yeah, they ended up getting killed or beaten up
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or marginalized even further than they already were.
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As we have seen them do.
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Whether it be a minority group or in this case journalists,
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you know in countries that have slipped away from Democratic principles
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largely the first step down that road is demonizing the media.
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You saw it with Hugo Chavez.
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You've seen it throughout Eastern Europe in tons of countries.
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The idea of a free press is one of the most dangerous things to autocrats.
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So like when you have that the media covers it in such a way that says hey,
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everyone be careful about this.
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This is really not good.
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And they're saying we're all terrorists.
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Exactly.
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Great, dude.
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Exactly fucking there is the stimulus.
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There's literally no difference between the reality of the media warning about something
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and Alex saying oh,
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they're trying to demonize us the middle
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like what makes what makes both sides do what they do is the same.
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It's just that one side's reaction is super defensive
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and full of shit and there's really nothing you can do about that.
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No, there's nothing you could do about it
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because me saying this Alex is be like,
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oh, you're a fool.
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Yeah, you can't see through you can't read between the lines.
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Here's the most obvious reason that these guys know their rhetoric is violent
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and is causing violence.
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They are defending this.
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Yep before we know anything about who sent the bomb you texted me that
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and I thought that was like such a good distillation of this like all you need to know is
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they know they're at fault.
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They didn't even wait for a five seconds
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and they might not be at fault for this one,
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right?
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That's the thing.
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They might be fine.
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They don't in all pots.
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Like it's a minuscule chance,
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but this might be a false flag and they're not even giving it a chance.
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I think the odds I agree minuscule,
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but I would even shrink it from there microscopic,
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but the very like the nature of whoever is doing this is certainly not determined at this point.
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No, like we don't know anything.
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No, absolutely.
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It's so like what no right-wing media outlet is at all saying like let
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not none of them are even saying let's hold on
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and find out who's done this before we preemptively defend our own terrorism.
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Yeah, they're saying they're admitting by defending it
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before we know anything that they know they are causing violence.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and that it like on our last episode.
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I said that Alex is responsible for this in a spiritual sense,
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right?
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And I still do believe that no matter who the person is no matter what they are,
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right?
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I still I still think that Alex has helped us get to the point in society in terms of the rhetoric.
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That's acceptable that sort of thing that that we can now be where we are but that is not to say
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that like I didn't I don't think it would be appropriate
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for us to be like this was a right-wing guy for sure.
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No, we can we can have like looks like it.
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Yeah, but for us to report that or to advocate for that would be stupid.
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Absolutely and the fact that the entire right-wing media sphere all the people even people
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who were like formerly had the pretense of like I'm not Alex Jones.
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Yeah, people like Rush Limbaugh's people like yeah,
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false flag Lou Dobbs false flag false flag.
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Everybody is saying false flag.
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Maybe not one person is even entertaining them.
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They did.
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None of them have even come out and been like it could just be a lone crazy.
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Sure.
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None of them have even given any other possibility
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and I think you're I think you're totally right that that does indicate a sense of awareness
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that they must have that's like we got to get in front of this thing.
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Yeah, because otherwise when the truth comes out we're fucked.
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Yeah, and that's a strategy that I think a lot of these
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people have learned from propagandists like Alex Jones.
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Yeah, so that's not good.
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Now in his next clip Alex has been he's made his thesis clear that the the bombings
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or the the attempted bombings of all of these Democrats Robert De Niro.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
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Yep, you know, it's just it's ballooned from where it was Eric Holder.
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A lot of a lot of people getting bombs.
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Yeah, and he's he's said that that's it's fake and is clearly them doing it to themselves
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because they need sympathy in the the midterms.
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Yeah, and he's going to be blamed for in demonized.
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That's his sort of baseline narrative and he'll develop it a little bit more later.
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But in order to make his point he needs to link it to another bomb attempted bombing
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of recent day and it this is this isn't good.
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This is a bad connection.
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He's not going to do the big story at info Wars.com and news Wars.com.
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Is that a pipe bomb got mailed yesterday a very small little pipe just a little pipe
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bomb to one of those palatial mansions in New York and they could barely even destroy
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half of it.
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Then another similar pipe bomb reportedly got mailed to CNN one to Obama and one of
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course to the Clintons of all there in New York.
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Not all remember if you go back about a month ago a gentleman was busted New York cooking
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up a he's put guilty a 200 pound bomb in his basement to bomb the Republicans to cancel
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the election.
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He was going to detonate it inside the Washington Monument Mall on the morning of Election Day
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and try to cancel the election because the Republicans are going to try to steal the
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election or cancel it.
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That doesn't make sense.
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He's a crazy leftist.
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He's pled guilty.
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So that's really bad.
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And here's why Alex is juxtaposing the stories of all of his enemies receiving mail bombs
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with a story about this guy out of New York who had worked on a building a 200 pound bomb
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to blow up the National Mall on Election Day.
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He's doing this and claiming that the man was deranged leftist because doesn't know
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anything but this false narrative serves his purposes to present the idea that the Soros
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Clinton Obama bombs are false flags by the left.
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The problem is that Paul Rosenfeld the man who built that bomb was not a leftist nor
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is it any mystery as to what his intentions were in planning to blow up D.C.
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He wasn't angry at the Republicans as Alex is reporting at least he was no more angry
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with them than he was at all government.
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From the FBI press release quote in August and September 2018 Rosenfeld sent letters
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and text messages to an individual in Pennsylvania.
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These letters and text messages stated that Rosenfeld planned to build an explosive device
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and detonated on November 6th 2018 in the National Mall in Washington D.C. Rosenfeld
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stated reason for these acts was to draw attention to his political belief in sortition a political
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theory that advocates for the random selection of government officials.
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All right.
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All right.
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I'm I'm now we're getting closer to me being interested.
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I'm I'm getting there.
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He's not like it's crazy to build a bomb to do this but I read some of his like his writing
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and it's it doesn't come off as crazy as a lot of the manifestos you end up reading.
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Really.
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I'm very glad that they caught him.
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How good was he with the bomb.
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I have no idea.
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I don't know too much about that.
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It seems like it'd be hard to build a home brewed 200 pound bomb.
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That's big.
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That's big.
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It's hard to be loaded in a van and you're already texting people to your plans.
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That's not how you loan bombs.
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It's hard to bake.
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Why am I giving advice.
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It's hard to bake like a 200 pound cake let alone a bomb.
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You know it's tough.
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But I mean the cake if I mean obviously you don't want the cake to kind of sink in the
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middle.
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No no no.
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So that's that's far more dangerous.
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There's a lot of difficulties.
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Yeah.
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Then the parts of a bomb.
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So Rosenfeld wasn't a leftist though he did think the country was going in the wrong direction.
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The thing is he felt like that for a long time before Trump came on the scene.
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He'd written blog posts years ago called things like the extinction of politics and others
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insisting sortition was the only way to go.
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He opposed the democratic process as a whole and voting which is why he chose Election
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Day for his planned suicide.
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He was going to kill himself.
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Yeah well.
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With the bomb.
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Yeah.
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How are you going to.
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What is he got a timer.
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No.
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He's got hit that thing with a hammer.
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Yeah.
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He wrote quote the logical end of majority rule is monarchy.
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The constant political maneuvering of individuals and factions must inevitably trend towards
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a winner takes all conclusion.
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Even today despite all our democratic pretensions in the U.S. one might easily imagine a scenario
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in which President Jeb Bush following an act of nuclear terrorism suspends the electoral
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process under the pretext that terrorists have infiltrated the Democratic Party a perpetual
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dynasty of Bush leaders would be a plausible outcome.
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Most people imagine that democracy and monarchy are different animals but they are actually
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cousins.
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He wrote that before it appeared that Trump was going to be the next president.
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He wrote that before Jeb asked people to clap and got cucked out of the election.
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Do you.
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I'm sorry.
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Did you mean.
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Yes.
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OK.
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But the thing is that sounds exactly like what Alex was saying about Jeb Bush in the
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2016 election.
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Yeah.
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Pretty much.
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But with slightly better grammar and more developed ideas.
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Yeah.
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Also sortition is a philosophy that is not largely associated with the left.
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There are far more.
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I don't think it's associated with many people other than.
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Well you know who it is sort of associated with the favorite socialist.
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No the anarcho capitalists who are generally now like they like to hang out with libertarians.
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Yeah.
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Classical liberals.
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So I mean like I'm not saying that sortition is the like sole possession of the right or
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anything like that.
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No no no no.
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But it does have a heavy overlap with people who are anarcho capitalists who aren't left
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who are not liberals.
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And when your philosophy involves the like erosion intentional erosion or getting rid
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of the democratic process you're on a whole different spectrum.
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Yeah.
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There's really no left or right on that one.
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Right right.
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There's there isn't even really a Venn diagram that includes like what if the short story
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the lottery but instead of getting killed they become leader.
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All right.
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So Alex trying to say that this guy was mad at Republicans and that's why he was going
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to blow up the National Mall is foolish and stupid.
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He doesn't know anything about the story but he needs it in order to connect to this other
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story to try and reinforce the idea that all of these bombs are clearly some sort of a
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democratic false flag.
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It's super doesn't matter if it's true or not.
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But that's one of the things that I even matter if it's a real story he's not going to talk
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about it again.
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That's what he does.
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He talks about it like three times on an episode.
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That's that's one of the things I care about.
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Like if he if he is if he wants to present the idea that all of all of these are false
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flags you shouldn't bring up a story to reinforce that belief that he doesn't know anything
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about and doesn't actually prove his point at all.
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I want him to do better is what I'm saying.
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And this is just super disappointing.
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It's it's always it's always a tell what bombings are false flags and what bombings are not
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false flags.
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We'll get into that a little bit a little bit later.
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It just seems like statistically your right wing bombers can't all be false flags.
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Don't tell Alex that.
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They like I mean you would you would start yelling at even if there were a ton of left
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wing bombers that were false flags by the right.
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I still be like yeah some of them had to be like for real left wing bombers.
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Sure.
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Can't all be false flags.
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I promise you we'll get into bombing statistics here in a little bit.
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Oh OK.
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All right.
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But before we do Alex has to take umbrage with the media.
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Oh somebody should bomb him for painting him in an unfair light.
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Let's go back now to just a few weeks ago and a few months ago.
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Here's two weeks ago Brett Kavanaugh and the information terrorists trying to reshape America.
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First person they attack is yours truly saying I am a terrorist.
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That's Wired magazine in a huge 30 page article of pure bull.
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So I found that article.
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What Alex seems to not want to point out is that the headline is actually Brett Kavanaugh
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and the information terrorists plural.
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It's about people like Jack Posobick Mike Cernovich and all those assholes who are weaponizing
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information especially in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation process.
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I was going to say that's a weird article for Wired to write if it doesn't have anything
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to do with technology at all.
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Well here's the thing from the article quote information terrorism is not a term I apply
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lightly.
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If you accept the core definition of terrorism as quote the unlawful use of violence and
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intimidation especially against civilians in the pursuit of political aims then there
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are few few terms more apt to describe what this group has unleashed against their fellow
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Americans.
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Alex has brass balls complaining about Wired calling him an information terrorist when
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his Web site is called info wars.
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Oh so.
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Information wars.
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Hold on.
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He plays what are we just going to use the definitions of all words to determine what
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they mean now Dan.
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He plays dirty in the information war ergo he's an information terrorist.
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Oh do you mean because in the information war he intentionally stokes fear in order
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to get a political result.
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Oh yeah.
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Some sort of terrorist.
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Oh yeah.
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What what else is a terrorist now.
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So stupid.
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Are you sure.
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So stupid.
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They don't call him a terrorist.
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They call him this idea of information terrorism.
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It's an interesting concept but I don't I don't I don't know I don't know how helpful
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it is because in that even in that part of the article terrorism is defined as the unlawful
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use of violence.
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And if you are using that as your definition of terrorism it's not illegal.
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Most of the things Alex is doing you know.
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So it would need to be the only a sometimes information terrorist.
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Sure sure sure.
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And a lot of the stuff that he's doing that's particularly distasteful often doesn't fall
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under illegal things but that's maybe that's a minor squabble but that's the only thing
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that's the only leg Alex would have to stand on if he wanted to argue why this article
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is unfair.
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Yes the rest of it's totally fair.
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And also it is nowhere near 30 pages.
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I was about to say there's no way that a Wired article is 30 pages long.
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Alex probably.
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No chance.
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Alex probably just scrolled down like four times he's like oh man I'm bored.
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This is a million pages.
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He gets to the picture of himself he's like oh it's getting good scrolls down a little
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more.
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Oh OK.
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No more pictures of me.
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Carol Quigley keep writing.
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Shut up.
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Yeah but nerd.
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Here's a question.
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So now all of the right wing media is united in calling this a false flag.
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Maybe not all but all the essentially mostly yeah yeah.
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If we apply this to I don't know a while back this would be very similar to all of the right
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wing media saying Las Vegas was a false flag.
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Exactly Sandy Hook was a false flag.
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Exactly Heather Hayers death in Charlottesville is a false flag.
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So all of these things I ask you this question that's where we're going.
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Is it legally actionable.
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I mean if it's if it's if legally you can say we're going to sue Alex Jones for calling
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Sandy Hook a false flag right.
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And it it turns out that this is not a false flag.
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I think that the only people who would have like standing to sue him are the people who
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receive the bombs.
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I think that they have better things to do.
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I really don't if it means they can take down the right wing media.
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But now that now that the target is not Alex Jones the target is Fox News.
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Yeah.
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But I also think that you'd have to you'd have to realize like how big of a court case
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that would be.
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That would be the next 10 years of your life probably.
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What else is Obama doing.
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I don't think he wants that to be.
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I don't think he wants that to be his legacy.
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You know what.
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What the guy who took down the worst propaganda outlet in the American history.
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Now we see it that way.
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But you know how ugly it is.
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You know how ugly.
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So ugly.
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Lots of people would die.
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One of them Barack Obama.
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I think I think a lot of them know that it would be it would be such an uphill battle.
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You'd also be end up having to end up redefining so many things about no downside except for
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if you are one of those people like I wouldn't want to do it because I'm broke.
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But sure.
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Other reasons probably.
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I think it would be a real headache.
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It would be a bummer.
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Yeah it would be a bummer.
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So this next clip Alex just reinforces his idea that this is a big old false flag.
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Now it's not rocket science that when they start saying Jones wants violence against
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the Clintons.
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You do.
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And Jones wants violence against Soros and he's going to get Soros hurt saying he was
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a Nazi collaborator.
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Yep.
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He said that on 60 Minutes.
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He didn't.
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And NPR and in the book.
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No he didn't.
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I played the clip many times.
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Yes you did and he didn't say it.
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That clearly they're saying Trump's going to cause violence in the media when they're
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the ones calling for violence against him a hundred to one.
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I know you are but what am I?
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The left calls for violence and carries out violence versus the right.
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I know you are but what am I?
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So he's.
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I know you are but what am I?
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He's saying there that the left carries out violence against folks a hundred to one hundred
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to one.
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And so I looked into this a little bit and I'm going to read you this here quote an analysis
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of the global terrorism database by researchers at the University of Maryland published in
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2017 shows a sharp increase in the share of attacks by right wing extremists from 6 percent
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in the 2000s to 35 percent in the 2010s.
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Hard to imagine what's caused that.
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Wait.
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35 percent.
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It went that high up.
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Yep.
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Of all domestic terrorist acts are done by right wing extremists.
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It's probably the left.
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And our language.
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Probably the left's fault.
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It's our rhetoric.
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Also by the way.
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What about the left wing?
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What do they find in that study?
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Yeah.
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About that.
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Let's let's get the numbers.
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I'm assuming that it has to be three thousand five hundred or three thousand five hundred
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percent.
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Quote.
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Meanwhile the share of attacks by left wing terrorists and environmental extremists dropped
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from 64 percent in the 2000s to 12 percent in the 2010s.
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And a lot of that is because of like the 64 percent in the 2000s is a lot of eco terrorism
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and animal rights activism.
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So there those were the 2016 study was in 2016.
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And so they wanted to look into it a little bit further with a quote.
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An analysis by Quartz of the same global terrorism database confirmed that the trend persisted
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in 2017 where most attacks in the U.S. were committed by right wing extremists.
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Out of 65 incidents that year 37 were tied to racist anti-Muslim homophobic anti-Semitic
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fascist anti-government or xenophobic motivations.
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In that same set of data 11 were left leaning actors from 2017 of the 65 11 were left leaning
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actors and a closer review of the data shows that six of these left leaning terror attacks
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were done by animal liberation groups.
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So that leaves five and then they're you know there's also an environmental one here and
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there.
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It's almost nothing.
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Right.
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By left wing groups.
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And that that is a very narrow picture of the courts as opposed to the rampant increase
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of just spraying the swastika on a synagogue like that kind of thing.
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Things that could be considered terrorism if you want to go by the legal definition
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of terrorism.
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Right right.
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I agree.
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If you expand that picture out I think you'd find very similar things but in this case
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because we're dealing with a person leaving bombs all over the place and Alex is defensive
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about it and talking about how the right wing doesn't do that stuff it's always the left
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and shit like that.
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Yeah.
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I feel like it's important to look at this reality.
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The only way for the right wing to discuss this element of reality is to present all
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the terrorism that is being done by their side as false flags.
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There's literally no other way to avoid looking in the mirror and realizing that the statistics
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are terrifying.
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They've actually outlawed mirrors.
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Globally the number of terrorist attacks has been on a healthy decline since 2014 17000
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or so attacks in 2014 as compared to 11000 or so in 2017.
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There's a drop off going that is very considerable.
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But in this country that trend is reversed.
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In 2015 there were less than 40 such incidents in 2016 and 2017 the years when Trump's rhetoric
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has shifted the Overton window that dictates what sort of things are acceptable public
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speech we see that number jump to 64 and 65 in those years respectively.
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So while the rest of the world is even the Middle East the numbers are going down we
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see ours going way up and the share of them being right wing extremists going way up with
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it.
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So I mean the reality of what Alex wants to talk about just isn't true and that's why
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he has to call all this false he has to call all of this fake or else you have to wrestle
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with the idea that like maybe we're doing this.
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Maybe this is something that we are responsible for.
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But if you do that if Alex and Fox News and fucking Lou Dobbs or whoever if they ever
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actually say maybe what we're doing is inciting violence their ratings are going to go down.
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Right Isn't that their big issue.
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Like the biggest problem they have is not are we are we causing the needless deaths
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of people.
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It's well look at how popular we are now that we're calling for violence.
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Yeah there's a lot of ass covering.
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There's a lot of like this is what we do.
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This is my job.
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Yeah.
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So yeah of course.
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I mean yeah naturally it's I mean it's the dehumanization on a mass scale because I mean
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you look at you look at the numbers and not all of those attacks are fatal or anything
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like that.
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That's good.
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Yeah.
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But there are a number that are.
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And when you look at that and you realize the human toll that those numbers represent
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and you realize like oh maybe maybe we have a hand in that.
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Maybe we're not a public good.
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Yeah.
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I mean it's tough.
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But you know the dollars it's dollars.
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I'm so glad that I'm not in the place because this is something that I would I imagine that
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every like human Fox News employee has to wrestle with on a daily basis of like I'm
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part of the evil here.
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Yeah.
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I wonder how many of those are left.
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Yeah exactly.
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I don't know.
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Should I like can I in good conscience keep working.
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I make I make enough money to survive and if I just quit this job with nothing lined
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up I might go broke and have nothing to fall back on.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time it's probably a moral imperative not to work for Fox News.
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Yeah it's tough.
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I don't know.
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Yeah I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how that would work or I don't know what that would be like.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what I would do.
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I do know what I would do.
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I'd move back to Missouri or something.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'd move in with my parents and kill myself I guess.
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Sure.
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So Alex has been saying that like I've been predicting this and he has he's been touting
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that he has tons of proof tons of articles to make his own proof and here is that.
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So Alex Jones says platform bans are first step in globalist plot to carry out violent
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false flags.
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That's August 6th when we had red alerts about that.
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Now it's beginning.
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August 4th protest false flag warning a perfect storm for staged deaths to demonize conservatives.
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It's also a perfect storm for conservatives to bomb people.
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Another ship purge points to imminent false flag violence before midterm elections bigger
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than 9-11 to be blamed on Trump and Alex Jones.
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That's a Mike Adams article.
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Emergency deep state democrats preparing false flag attacks against media big tech to steal
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election.
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The next stage of media censorship again is about to be launched August 16th.
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Emergency alert media false flag imminent.
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Alex Jones and Roger Stone issued emergency warning about the latest media attacks and
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to cry violence.
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Media false flag imminent Millie Weaver August 17th.
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Alex Jones warns the deep state will bomb federal buildings and blame info wars.
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We've got that video coming up.
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And here we are two months later immediately after I put those out.
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Emergency report Trump must take action now to stop false flags.
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If not he could fall victim to globalist trick that I predicted they would launch two weeks
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before the election.
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We have the clip where I call specifically two weeks before they would launch the bomb
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false flags.
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Do you have all those clips where you predicted the summer of rage Alex you have all those
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clips where you predicted that the dollar was about to be completely devalued and everyone
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should buy gold.
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If you say things repeatedly and keep varying up what you're predicting eventually something
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you're going to have a clip you're like I was right.
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So I mean yes he probably did say it like two weeks before the election.
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But I also guarantee there's a clip there he says a month before the election.
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Oh yeah I guarantee there's another clip where he says the day of I guarantee there's a clip
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last year where he says it's coming.
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I guarantee there's a clip before 2016.
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Hundred where he says there's a false flag coming now 2015 2014.
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Are you getting a pattern.
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Now the further thing that's really important here is all of those headlines are info wars
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articles.
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Oh they are.
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This isn't proving anything except that he keeps saying this.
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None of it depicts reality at all.
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None of it like at no point in any of those articles or in anything that he says does
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he actually prove in any way that the media is planning to false flag themselves.
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He just keeps saying it and then uses those articles that he and his team himself have
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produced as evidence that I got it right.
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I got it right because this happened.
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So the way that he likes to try and present this the argument that he tries to make about
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this is that he the reason that he's able to make these predictions throughout August
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and and all this is because it's like when you see commercials for the McRib you know
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that the McRib is coming back.
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OK.
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The commercials are telling you that the McRib is coming back right.
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So he sees the media say that his rhetoric is dangerous and that means to him I know
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that that means they're going to false flag themselves to blame me.
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So he writes all these articles and then you know when an attack happens bing.
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So I mean sooner or later a death cult is going to get the end of the world right.
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Well hold on because that's a little too extreme.
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In this case his version of it is this idea of like advertising.
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It's like you know McDonald's wants you to buy this thing in the future so they prepare
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you to know that it's coming.
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Or whatever.
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Right.
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And that's great.
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That's great.
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I'm not going to take away from his argument.
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It's going to be more fun.
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But what I would rather relate it to it I would like to talk about Alex's actions as
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opposed to the media because personally I believe the media is pretty accurately warning
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people about the consequences of dehumanizing and violent dangerous rhetoric.
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So when I look at Alex's behavior of him consistently saying the media is going to false flag themselves
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writing article after article about it it's less like an advertisement.
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And what it is is it seems more like the PR department at a company that knows they're
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about to get caught for something.
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Yeah.
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You know it's like we know we've been littering and polluting for a long time.
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Right.
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We're pretty worried that somebody is about to put out a report about it.
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Right.
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So what we're going to do is preemptively put a report out about how the watchdog group
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isn't there.
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They're not credible.
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They they have been taking money from interests that want to take us down.
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Because then when that report comes out about the polluting that they were actually doing
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you have that to fall back on that that that groundwork has been laid before the story
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comes out.
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And you'd be like oh no look we're not responding to this story.
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We're responding to like we know that they're they're dirty.
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It's a it's a it's a it's a dad who's who's like killed three people and the cops are
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getting onto him.
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But he's like a month out and he's just talking to his kids and he's like they're gonna say
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a lot of bad things about your daddy.
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But let me tell you something none of it's true.
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I mean I did kill those three people but none of what they say is true.
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You're going to hear a lot of things but you don't believe any of their evidence.
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You don't believe anything anybody tells you about what daddy says.
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And daddy says I'm innocent.
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And that's it.
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Yeah.
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Whichever example you want to use my my business that's polluting or the murderous dad either
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way that you want to go with one of those is very well but what it all comes down to
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and comes back to is exactly what you're saying at the beginning of this.
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That they know the end result of their actions as well.
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They know like Alex Jones wouldn't make all of these posts and make such a big deal of
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talking about how the media is going to false flag themselves if he didn't have a keen awareness
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that Trump saying that the media is the enemy of the American people and me doing demon
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voices about Brian Stelter and talking about how he needs to fall and he wants to kill
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and rape your family.
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He has to know that the natural end result of that when a unhinged person hears those
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sorts of rhetoric the natural end result is quite possibly someone hurting these people.
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This is preemptive damage control for that.
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It is not predictive.
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It's not predictive now except for the fact that he's predicting that this will happen.
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It is also something I would say akin to like trying to make it happen by bringing it into
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the world.
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There's a certain part of him that wants it to happen too.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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I don't know about that.
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I'm only halting you a little bit because I think that's too close to Alex's predictive
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program.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's not what I meant.
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I meant more like he knows that it is.
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So I'm throwing in this thing of like regardless, you know, it is it is damage control preemptive
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PR.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So while he's writing those stories, there has got to be a little part of him that's
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like and I hope this happens.
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So I'm right.
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Oh, yeah.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Maybe there's a kernel of that in the back of his.
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I mean, I know from listening to as much of him as I do.
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He's never happier than when he gets to say he's right.
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Yep.
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So, yeah, I think there's probably a psychological piece of it that's like that.
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But I would stop short of saying like he hopes someone gets hurt.
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No, no, no, no.
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I think he probably doesn't care if someone gets hurt.
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Absolutely.
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To make him right.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Especially if it's two birds with one stone or one ten birds with one stone, so to speak.
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Two birds with one Roger Stone.
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That's our new shirt.
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So like, are there are there any two worse shirts than those?
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So I think that we're kind of getting the idea here that, you know, we it's pretty easy
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to smell through what Alex's rhetoric is serving.
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You know, it's pretty easy.
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And this next clip is even more overt.
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And now the last piece.
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Thirteen days out.
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Will be finding out that it's a right wing extremist and blaming it on us.
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And saying he visited Info Wars.
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He visited Drudge Report.
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He visited Tucker Carlson.
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He watched Fox News.
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You can you can see the scripting.
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And boy, we told you Jonesy to be taken off the air.
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And now why why he mailed the bombs or or his his somebody he influenced mail the bombs.
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And this is just to gauge.
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And create anxiety that it's the right wing and that Hillary and Soros and Obama and CNN
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are good guys that are just trying to talk about the news and help America.
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And so we've been resisting them and saying they're globalists.
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And so we've been saying dirty words like nationalists and other evil stuff.
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And so now.
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With the election 13 days away.
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You know, they're planning bigger events now, now that they've named themselves as the victims
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and have created the hype and the fear.
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Now there can be the big event and then they can bust the group or individuals or the lone
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wolf that's behind it and properly blame all of us, remember?
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So you see there, that's the that's the next step of the laying the track.
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He named like tons and tons of things that are I wouldn't say that I know that this person
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or persons who's responsible was inspired by Tucker Carlson.
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You know, saying Alex is spiritually responsible isn't even saying that the person was influenced
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by Alex directly, necessarily.
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But he's he's doing all that because he needs to say all of that in case any of those things
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are true.
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Yeah, because then he's like, look, I told you beforehand, that's what they were going
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to say.
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It's all the same shit.
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It's very boring.
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Also, there's such a there's such a thing that he he has to do, which is that like a
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right wing, like a soy boy, the this this part of like and the media is trying to portray
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them all as these good guys who are just trying to report.
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And it's like, no, it doesn't matter if they're good guys.
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Not at all.
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It doesn't matter at all.
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Don't bomb people.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, like, why can't you just start there?
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That's that would be a great.
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You could just start there like, hey, it's a bad idea to bomb people, not the media says
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it's a bad idea to bomb these guys because they're good.
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I don't even think in listening to this episode that I heard him say it's bad.
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You know, I don't.
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Of course.
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I didn't even realize that.
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No, no, no.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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He does.
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They do the disclaimer.
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But that doesn't say it's a bad idea to bomb people.
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No, they say that they're they're saying it's not on us.
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It's not our fault that people get it's not on us.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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These fucking idiots.
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So but what he's doing is trying to, like, do play this game where he's like, you know,
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they're trying to get sympathy for themselves, trying to make themselves seem like victims
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and demonizing demonizing us.
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That's the false flag.
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You know, you got this false flag and then the next stage of it is when they're going
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to reveal the person that did it and it's going to be going like us.
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They're going to bring out somebody who's wearing a locker up shirt or who's who's got
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a long history of posting on the Internet about how all of these liberals should just
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all say who's who's just so easy to who has a history of domestic abuse to all of these
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things that we know is just so scripted because they've happened before.
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True.
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A lot of times.
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And it's a script.
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Always.
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Right.
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It's a script.
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That's how we know that it's scripted is because it happens so frequently.
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It has to be scripted.
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Otherwise it wouldn't happen frequently, Dan.
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It's not like similar offenders have similar psychological profiles and patterns.
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No.
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That people with statistics can track.
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Yeah.
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It's all false flags.
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So I was thinking about this, the nature of false flag stuff and the false flag accusations
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that get made and when they get made.
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So one of the things I realized is that there's a real general trend among people to claim
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that things that would tend to make them be seen in a realistic way are actually elaborate
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plots against them.
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And there's no better example of this than the fallout that happened after the Unite
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the Right rally in Charlottesville.
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Initially, the hard right media figures were totally fine with the rally and supported
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it as they saw it as an extension of their mission to, quote, protect and stand up for
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the West.
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Sure.
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Gavin McGinnis had the organizer of the rally, Jason Kessler, on his show to promote the
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rally.
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Alex was firmly in support of the rally.
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Absolutely.
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The people on both sides.
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But then the reality of the worlds that they helped facilitate became publicly visible.
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Nazis, white supremacists and weird fascists were there sporting their uniforms unashamed
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in the light of day, wholeheartedly on Alex and Gavin McGinnis' side.
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Then Heather Heyer got murdered.
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Then videos of a group of white men beating the shit out of DeAndre Harris with metal
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pipes and boards came out.
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The optics were too obvious to anyone who was looking at the situation, what the reality
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was.
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Except for the president.
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Things didn't get better when it came out that the rally organizer, Jason Kessler, was
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at least a second degree member of McGinnis' Proud Boys street gang.
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Immediately McGinnis went to damage control mode and alleged that Kessler wasn't really
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a Proud Boy and that he'd be coming to Proud Boy meetings under false pretenses.
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False flag.
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Kessler being a Proud Boy was a false flag to associate his definitely not white nationalist
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street gang with street gang style violence perpetrated by a group of real white nationalists.
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Alex would do the same thing, having Kessler on his show to try and get him to confess
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that the whole rally was a set up and that Kessler was actually a Democrat.
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It didn't work, but Alex got the pivot that he needed to still claim that Kessler wasn't
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on the up and up with the Patriot movement and thus he too branded the Charlottesville
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tragedy a globalist false flag.
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The appropriate response to a situation like the one in Charlottesville is deep reflection
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and empathy.
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Unfortunately for people like Alex and Gavin, empathy is weakness and deep reflection leads
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people to realize that they are the problem.
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So that's out.
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When Scalise was shot, did any left wing media say that it was a false flag perpetrated by...
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Didn't you see Rachel Maddow going out and screaming about the...
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No.
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No, they didn't?
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No, they said it was awful.
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Did they interview that guy and say that he was actually a plant by the Republicans?
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No, but they did interview, I believe like the guy who committed the offense, they interviewed
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his neighbor and he said, you know, you seem like a nice guy, the standard interview that
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you have with a serial killer's neighbor.
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And Alex has latched onto that as like CNN's trying to say that he was a good guy, that
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sort of thing.
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So there's that version of it, but no, they didn't end up talking to the shooter at that
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ballpark and being like, hey, you're really working for the Koch brothers, trying to make
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liberals look bad.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, it's all nonsense, but it is interesting to me that I started to realize, and I think
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I've always kind of known this, but the false flag accusation really only comes out at least
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these days, because I don't think this was necessarily the motivation behind him being
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like 9-11 was fake.
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I think it was just a good business opportunity, but like these days...
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And it's true.
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These days, well, not his version, but yeah.
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These days it comes out so much when it's like, okay, this can't be part of what people
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think about us, therefore it's a false flag.
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Because if they believe this about us, we can't continue to operate the way we have
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been.
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We will not be allowed to, or we'll be so obviously monsters that we have to deny the
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reality.
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And by denying it, they reveal themselves to be obviously monsters.
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No doubt.
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No doubt.
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Well, on the episode that we did about Tuesday's episode, we heard Alex saying that he is death
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to George Soros, he's the grim reaper come to his door, I am death, I am death.
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And he named several of the people who then the next day would receive bombs.
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Which was upsetting when I woke up in the morning.
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It's a little bit on the nose.
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A little bit, and to the point where I've been looking online, because he also named
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Lord Rothschild.
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Yeah, were you checking to see if Lord Rothschild had a bomb?
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Did this fly under the radar?
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Because that would have been like, oh my God, he's batting a thousand.
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Still four for- Is he proudly claiming that he was right about
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that too?
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What do you mean?
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No.
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That he predicted that- No, he's pretending he didn't say that because
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the optics of I am death, I am death.
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And then the people- No good.
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No good.
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No, that's not good?
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No good.
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He's just pretending he didn't say it.
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Yeah.
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He's not, shouldn't he be crowing about how-
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No, no, no, no.
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No, he predicted it.
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It was too much.
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Oh yeah?
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It was relishing it too much in a way that would, I think he would feel that it would
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take away from his credibility.
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Oh, you think so?
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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Now, this is crazy to ask you.
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Are we hanging on to that clip maybe?
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You bet.
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You think that one might be there for a while?
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It might be in Evergreen.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, but on this episode now, which we're covering, this is the Wednesday episode, and now he's
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actually talking about the situation, and man, he's still not being cool about it to
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these people.
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The article's on infowars.com.
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Steve Watson.
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Trump is Hitler.
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Excuse me.
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It's worse than that.
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Unhinged Democrats and leftist media call POTUS fascist dictator for saying America
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even exists.
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And that's really all he's saying.
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No, that's not what he's saying.
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Was that the headline or was he editorializing?
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That's the upside down one.
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Probably editorializing.
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And they're saying we're going to cause violence, and then a pipe bomb shows up at George
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Soros, the kingpin, to make him the poor baby, and the headline is in all these papers last
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night and today, the same headline, Holocaust survivor.
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He survived the Nazis, the poor thing, and now he's facing pipe bombs.
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He worked for the Nazis and said it was the best time of his life.
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Not true.
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Not true.
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I'm done with Soros.
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I can't imagine this level of being a shithead.
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I get Alex needing to constantly say that Soros is a Nazi collaborator by taking that
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60 Minutes interview and other interviews that he's done completely and wildly out of
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context and assert that he has Steve Pachanik on to call him a Yudin rat and shit like that.
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Of course, you've got to do these things.
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It makes sense.
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When you're demonizing your philanthropist enemy, this is a good strategy.
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I understand that you got to say these sorts of things are false flags as preemptive damage
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control for yourself, but I can't understand the level of shithead you have to be to combine
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the two.
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The day after... Because on some level, Alex fucking knows this isn't a false flag.
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He knows damn well.
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He knows damn well that these people's lives were at very least threatened.
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Whether or not these bombs-
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A message was sent.
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A terrorist message.
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Right.
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Right.
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I don't know if you've ever had your life threatened.
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Have you ever had someone say they were going to kill you?
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Yeah.
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I have as well.
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I knew that it wasn't credible.
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Back when I used to write for my campus paper, I'd have death threats all the time.
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Those were just like... I'd be like, yeah, fuck yourself, asshole.
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That sort of thing.
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I'd write back and try and antagonize them because I smoked a lot of weed and I thought
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it was funny back then.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But when I worked at a movie theater when I was a little bit younger, some guy came
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in and I had to kick him out because he was acting up like crazy.
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He said he was going to come back and kill me.
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I knew that he wasn't going to do it, but it shook me on an unbelievable level that
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I had to leave.
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I was like, I can't stay and do the rest of my shift, which is pretty unlike me.
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I went home and then I was peeking out my windows and stuff.
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It did a real number on me.
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Now granted, that was when I was 16, 17 years old.
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These are adults who were much better adjusted than I was at the time, probably.
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But any time a bomb shows up where you are, it's not going to not leave an impression
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on you.
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No.
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So when Alex gets on air and he's like, first of all, this is fake and it's great because
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it makes Soros look like a sweet little baby, he's a Nazi Hitler collaborator, it's inhuman.
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It's unfeeling levels of callous cruelty.
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It's pretty surprising.
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I mean, it's not, but it feels real nasty.
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My life was threatened.
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I was 18 and I was broke, so I was hustling.
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I was actually a really good pool player for a while.
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So I was hustling pool for a bit to make money on the side.
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And one night I got my ass beat to the tune of like 100, 200 bucks.
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And the way that I was hustling was that I was always playing with a house cue.
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You never bring your own cue if you're actually going to hustle.
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Okay.
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I didn't know that was the rule.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So this dude, I was like, I don't have this much money on me.
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I got to go to my car.
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And he was like, okay, man, that's fine, but leave your cue here.
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So I skipped out on it because of course I'm going to do that.
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What are you talking about?
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What are you going to sue me?
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Fuck off.
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We're playing pool and I'm not going to pay you.
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Okay.
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Dishonorable.
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Exactly.
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I was broke.
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Broke back.
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Backstabber.
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Yeah.
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Demon.
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So then like maybe two years later, I wound up going back to not the same place, but back
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to the city where I was doing it.
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I hadn't been there for forever.
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And I was just walking by this pool table area and this dude fucking was like, hey,
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wait a second.
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And I was like, yeah.
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Because I recognized him immediately and he was like, wait, did you, I think I know you.
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And I was like, nah, you can't.
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And he was like, can I see your ID?
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And I was like, holy shit.
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And then he went full on like, I'm going to fucking kill you when you leave this place.
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Yeah.
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I live here now.
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Yeah.
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So I wound up sneaking out the back and telling one of the managers, I was like, hey, that
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guy, he just said he was going to try and fucking kill me.
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So he snuck me out the back and I immediately bailed as fast as I could.
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Yeah.
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It's a rough life.
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Yeah.
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The life of a pool hustler.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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I was, I was living like Tom cruise in the color of money.
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So that, I mean, it shakes you, you know, it's never, it's never not a good feeling.
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Uh, wait, it's never a good feeling.
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And so, you know, I know that Soros doesn't listen to Infowars, but the idea of being
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this cruel to somebody who has just received a bomb, I find it.
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I find it, uh, deplorable, quite frankly.
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It's it's not good.
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Yeah.
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It's horrible.
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So anyway, he talks more about Soros and then he's quarterbacking all this stuff.
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So he gets a pipe bomb and then it's like, you get a pipe bomb, you get a pipe bomb,
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you get a pipe bomb.
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You saw that one coming for a mile away or babies or babies that helps on the Arab spring
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and the overthrow of Ukraine and now bombs are there.
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They're such victims.
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There are hundreds of cases of declassified false flags.
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It's the oldest trick in the book.
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Everybody knows you about movies, like TV shows, like house of cards, the TV show where
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they're throwing bricks through each other's window.
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That's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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Sure.
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So I've predicted it all.
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It isn't hard to predict.
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The issue that I have is yes.
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There are false flags that have happened in history.
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Saying that doesn't prove that any individual thing is one.
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No, it proves all of them are.
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Just because X does exist doesn't mean all things are X.
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That is horrible thinking.
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And he doesn't go much further than that in terms of trying to prove this.
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His arguments are essentially false flags do exist.
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It's the oldest trick in the book.
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Therefore, this is a false flag.
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Right.
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It's coming.
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I predicted this based on all of these articles that I wrote about this, which are really
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just preemptive damage control because I know that someone's going to fucking attack them
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eventually and I don't want the heat.
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That's all he's got.
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That's all the evidence that he gives.
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It's super thin.
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So I want to talk to you a little bit about bombings because there's another talking point
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that Alex Jones doesn't bring up, but I've seen him posted a lot by these shitheads on
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Twitter about like, of course it's fake.
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None of them went off.
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Of course.
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Obviously, if there was a bombing, they would have blown up.
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And I need to address this because whether or not Alex brings it up in what we're covering,
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I'm sure he'll bring it up eventually because it's caught fire with the Twitter sphere and
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this needs to be addressed.
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There are a few super important points that you need to know about making bombs.
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One.
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Super easy.
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They very, very regularly don't work.
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It's very consistent.
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The process of successfully bombing someone involves so many variables, along with factors
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completely outside of the perpetrator's control, that they're nearly impossible to pull off.
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Two.
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Since the 1970s, there are virtually no left wing bombings in the United States.
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Now granted, there were a bunch in the 70s.
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Yeah.
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Well, again, there's the 70s, Dan, there's a different time.
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The hippies had just died and it was the beginning of the right now.
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This then, specifically, has not been the behavior of the left.
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Again, if you exclude environmental terrorism and animal rights activist groups, which I
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don't believe are necessarily appropriate to fit under the umbrella of left wing terrorism
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as Alex would like to present.
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I think that would be disingenuous and unfair.
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Yeah.
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It's not like they're bombing to get healthcare.
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They're bombing to bring attention to an issue that nobody is talking about.
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That would be the equivalent of left wing terrorism for Alex's right wing terrorism.
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You can find plenty of lists of bombings and terrorist acts and you'll find that the lists
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are littered with disrupted plots and people who made their bombs wrong so they didn't
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end up detonating.
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It's the exception, not the rule, that a bomb actually goes off when someone plans to bomb
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people.
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One of the very few large scale bombings that were successful was the Boston bombing.
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Another was the string of bombings in New York and New Jersey between September 17th
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and 19th, 2016, which left 35 people injured.
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The perpetrator of said bombings was a gun enthusiast who had previously been arrested
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for stabbing his brother in the leg after, quote, the victim and another brother attempted
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to stop him from assaulting their mother and sister.
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Left wing terrorist.
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He spent a few months in jail and later became radicalized by online jihadi materials, which
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is said to have been inspirational in his planning of his bombing.
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Then...
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Wait, you're saying in his past he has some sort of violence against women?
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Right.
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And online radicalization.
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Then we have the Austin situation, which terrorized Austin for 19 days in March of this year,
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I believe, and led to the deaths of three.
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It was done by a 23-year-old man whose motivations are still not totally clear, but he was absolutely
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not a liberal.
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It wasn't a leftist motivated thing at all.
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And that was another one that Alex had all of his predictions wrong about, which was
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fun.
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You can go back and listen to those episodes.
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On the list of bombings since 9-11, you'll find a few that are bombings of mosques and
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specifically targeting Muslims.
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One of them was a man in Spokane who intended to bomb the path of a Martin Luther King Day
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parade.
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One of them targeted the New York Mexican Consulate.
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Left wing.
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One of them was a bizarre homage to Fight Club.
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Zero of them have been carried out by leftists, again with the exception of environmental
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extremists and animal rights extremists.
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Almost all modern bombing behavior is attributable to ISIS-related terrorism and far-right terrorism.
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This is just how the facts break down.
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But I think there's a more important thing that you see here, and that's the overwhelming
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majority of bombings do not go as the bomber planned.
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It's incredibly hard to make bombs, then it's even more difficult to deliver them where
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you want them to be and make them detonate when you want without someone finding them
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first.
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Exactly.
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This is why you see so many failed bomb plots through history and why we so clearly remember
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the ones that did reach completion, because they're the exception to the rule and they're
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deeply emotionally scarring to everybody.
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It's hard to build a bomb.
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It is.
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It's not the way we do mass killings in America.
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We do it with guns.
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With guns.
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Yep.
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When you look at those statistics, it's even darker.
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Yeah.
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Which we don't need to get into today necessarily.
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Nope.
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But yeah, man, it's one of those things.
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The idea that none of these things went off is so foolish as an argument as to the reality
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of it, because a number of these people had Secret Service details.
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They're going to find that sort of thing immediately.
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Or George Soros is a goddamn billionaire.
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He has people who are working there and are going to find these things.
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And even the ones that were left at people's offices, they have security guards who are
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trained in these sorts of things.
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So if you leave a bomb somewhere where you want it to explode, it's so hard for someone
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not to find it and for you to get the timing right so it hurts the person that you want.
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Exactly.
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It's very difficult.
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That argument is meaningless.
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It's surprising more that not one of the bombs went off and just killed some staffer.
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None of the people who got bombs were ever really in danger.
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It's the people who work for them.
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Which furthers your argument that it's more about a message than anything else.
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But we should know that the media chose Alex Jones preemptively in order to do this, to
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blame him and make him the patsy.
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And he knows that because of one of the anchors at CNN, who is not named Brian Stelter.
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They don't go through every news channel of fake news in the country and all say in unison,
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Alex Jones, I've got chills.
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Lester Holt said, yeah, I'm really scared when he said, kill us with bombs or kill us
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with guns and battle rifles.
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Jack Dorsey goes, I know, I know it's terrible, but we're not going to ban him yet to make
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it act like they're not censoring.
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Oh, they held back so he could go around and do that whole tour of disinformation.
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A psyop, you know, when they're on every channel saying you're saying kill the media and you
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didn't say it and they don't have proof, you said it, that something bad is about to happen.
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They don't go for broke like that.
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They don't tell lies that big.
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You say they do all the time.
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They're getting ready to attack themselves with bombs and guns and poison.
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Oh, and poison.
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Oh, there's poison now?
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Oh, yeah.
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When did poison come into this?
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I think he realized, ah, shit, someone might send him an envelope or something.
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We got to do damage control here.
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Toss some ricin.
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They're saying ricin is coming.
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That way, whenever somebody does send it.
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I don't particularly care to parse through Lester Holt's take on Alex Jones's battle
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rifle comment.
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I initially was more on Alex's side about it and that the context of it wasn't about
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an offensive sort of thing.
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That was sort of my angle on it.
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But I got some emails from listeners informing me that the term battle rifle has a bit of
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a different connotation than I know about.
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So I'm going to leave that alone and respect that I may not understand the whole context
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as a non-gun, non-military serving person.
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I don't know.
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I can't speak to that.
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So I don't want to get mixed up too much.
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Someone who does not have a battle rifle, not going to dip my toes in that.
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I'm going to pass and allow, I'll listen to others and listen to their perspective.
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So I don't really have a take on Lester Holt's comments, but what I can tell you is that
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Lester Holt's discussion of Alex Jones's comments came after a number of things.
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One of them was Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich getting on air and starting a contest where
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they were going to pay people to go on live TV and yell CNN is ISIS.
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It was a formal contest that Alex launched promising thousands of dollars to people to
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equate a news network with a terrorist organization that we're presumably at war with.
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A little bit after that, Brandon Griesemer was arrested this January after he made four
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calls to CNN on January 9th and 10th in which he made terrorist threats and talked shit
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about the Jews and black people.
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In one call, he said, quote, I'm coming to gun you all down.
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I'm on my way right now to gun the fucking CNN cast down.
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I'm coming to kill you.
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He referred to them as fake news and dropped a couple of n-words for good measure.
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The president of this country had previously called the fake news media the enemy of the
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people.
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He'd frequently attacked CNN at rallies, press conferences and on Twitter.
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It's no surprise that Lester Holt would take something appearing to be a threat seriously
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seeing as that's something that's happened quite a bit to him recently.
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So Alex refusing to accept that sort of context, just saying like, oh, out of nowhere, Lester
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Holt was like, I'm threatening him because I talked about get your battle rifles ready.
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It seems I mean, the weakest critique we can always have for Alex is like being a little
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unfair.
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But it's a little unfair to attack and say like, oh, this is all media scripting of this
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same thing.
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It's like you're not taking into context the things that came before that because they
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make your argument look like shit.
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I mean, you could describe it as media scripting, but it's the script that the right wing media
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has written.
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Yeah.
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They've written this whole they've created this whole situation where this is going to
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be a result.
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But when you say scripting in that sense, I think what you're talking about is inadvertent
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consequences.
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It's not like because.
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No, no, no.
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It's not like they wrote the script where at the end of it, they know exactly what's
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going to happen.
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It's more like it's more like they have created a sandbox where all of these elements are
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in place.
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And the only logical end point to this sandbox is where we are now.
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So in this next clip, Alex brags about how insightful he is, the worst thing that he
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could brag about.
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We have to consider that that lives in the atmosphere of him being literally wrong about
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almost everything.
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And just like I said, how do you know when a new Coca-Cola flavor is coming out?
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Because you see billboards everywhere and there's ads on radio and TV and you go, oh,
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there's a new Coke coming out.
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Or when does McRib come back?
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You don't go to McDonald's.
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I don't know.
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Don't you see the stupid McRib ads?
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McRib is back for a limited time.
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You go to McDonald's.
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When they come out and they say, Alex Jones says blow up and shoot the media and Trump
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says kill the media and it's not true.
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And they've got a history of staging crap and they're a pack of criminals that works
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with radical Islam, you name it and say MS-13 are God's children.
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You better believe these scumbags in the deep state haven't given up and they don't want
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America to return and they don't want our Republic back.
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So they're crapping their filthy britches and they're going to pull anything.
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And if we can't see the giant setup to this, we're crazy.
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You are crazy.
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You're crazy because you see this as a giant setup as opposed to seeing the trends that
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have been pushed forward by your side.
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The worst part of all of that is he's essentially saying it's okay to bomb your enemies.
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Oh no, that's another thing that I was going to get into is that like what we're seeing
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is a normalization of bombing.
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We are seeing literally in front of our eyes, a normalization of domestic terrorism.
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That is so crazy.
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But how, how evil is it for you to watch people get terrorized and then say one, it's a false
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flag that they're perpetrating and that makes them so evil and such scumbags that it's like
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what, dot, dot, dot, fine to bomb them.
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It's cool.
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They have it coming.
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Right, right.
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Like let's imagine a scenario where I know that we're not that important, so it doesn't
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really matter.
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But like let's imagine a scenario where someone bombs me and I die, something like that.
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That's how I would bomb them.
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Oh man, that'd be an internal bomb.
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Oh, I would blow you up.
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So let's imagine something like that happens.
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Sure.
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I get killed in a bombing, let's say.
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Alex Jones knows that I demonize him all the time on this show.
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Right.
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So it would be an easy argument to make that like he attacked himself to make it look like
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one of my fans attacked him.
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Something like that.
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Sure.
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Well, I mean, it's...
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I mean, that's exactly what he's doing.
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Yeah, I get that.
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Right, right.
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I'm, I'm, I'm putting this in like a local, personal human level.
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Like the only difference between that and what we're seeing now is I'm discussing a
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bomb that did go off.
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Yeah.
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If any of these, let's say all but one of these bombs didn't go off, but one of them
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did and killed Debbie Wasserman Schultz, could he still make this argument?
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You bet he would.
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You fucking bet he would.
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And if you would do it with one of them going off, he'd do it with all of them going off.
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Yep.
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And this is like, I know that we have talked about for two years on this show.
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All he does is normalize and excuse white violence and pretend that white violence and
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terrorism don't exist.
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But the level that he's going to here is profoundly dangerous.
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And what it implies for the future is so fucked up.
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Right.
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It's so scary.
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And to hammer this point home two years ago when we started this podcast, Alex Jones was
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a crazy person.
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Right.
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And now every single fucking right wing media outlet is saying it's a false flag like Alex
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is thereby normalizing bombing the same way Alex does.
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We thought we were out on the middle of the fringe then.
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We were.
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We were way out there.
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We were.
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We were in the way we were going to have to talk about the real world now.
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And it turns out we're, is this our fault?
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No.
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Is this our fault for doing this podcast?
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Maybe we normalize this language.
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Based on our audience, we literally can't be.
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Once Fox News listened to our podcast, they were like, hey, see, Alex gets away with it.
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I don't know about that, but yeah, you are right though.
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Two years ago, it was a very different landscape where Alex was seen as like, whoa, he was
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out there and now he's right in line.
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Now we're all in there.
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Right.
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That's absolutely right.
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It's not that Alex has changed into the GOP, although he's become much more of a quote
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basic bitch of the right.
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It's that the right has come to him in terms of the craziness and the Overton window shifted
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to him.
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I don't think anyone, even us could have predicted that.
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Never.
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Not in a million years.
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What it implies is the like literally the most dangerous mentality that is possible
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because any time now that any attack happens on people on the left, this is going to be
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the narrative that all of these shitheads on Twitter and Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity,
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Lou Dobbs, that is going to be something that's going to be a card they can play.
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And when...
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And now that they've played that card, it seems like they can't go back, right?
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So it turns out that it is a right wing bomber, right?
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They've already called it a false flag, right?
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So they're going to have to continue calling it a false flag.
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Otherwise they're going to have to stop what they're doing.
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And that person will have to be a patsy.
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They'll have to be innocent.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The whole thing.
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The entire right wing media now has tied themselves to the false flag narrative and it's not going
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backward.
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Well, but you understand, I mean, like this is the sort of next progression from accepting
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a lot of the conspiracy theory stuff that propped up as Trump was running, became much
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more normal.
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And then as it got closer to the election, it became even more normal than after it just
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went crazy.
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But on a smaller level, you have the normalization in the right wing media, especially Fox News,
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of this idea that Antifa and the Proud Boys, let's say, are the same thing.
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You have this idea where they're pretending that Antifa is some sort of organized group
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that...
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Right.
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With meetings.
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Right.
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And a leader.
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And all they want to do is go and beat up Christians.
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Yep.
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Right?
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They have that perspective as opposed to it being a loose knit group of unorganized small
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groups of people who go and counter demonstrate against fascists.
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Yep.
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Fascist...
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Anti-fascist.
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And are willing to fight with them as opposed to a lot of other groups who would demonstrate
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against these people.
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So you have that on that side.
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And then with the Proud Boys, you have a shithead cult leader like Gavin McInnes, who screams
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all the time about how he wants violence and thinks that society is too weak and we should
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kick the shit out of each other and has a group with a regimented structure where the
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fourth level of it is you have to beat somebody up or get arrested for the cause.
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He incentivizes this idea of going and...
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Wait, that's really on there?
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That's the fourth level of the Proud Boys.
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It's the fourth tier.
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That's real?
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Yeah.
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You have to get into a fight...
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Isn't that illegal?
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I guess not.
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Can't you not do that?
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No, because he pretends, in the same way Alex always does...
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Oh, he pretends it's a...
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Defensive.
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Yeah, sure.
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It's defensive fighting.
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Fuck off.
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But of course what that's going to do is incentivize people picking fights with folks.
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Yeah, of course.
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As opposed to there is nothing like that on the left.
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There isn't a group of people who are like, all right, you get a cool badge if you go
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pick a fight with these people.
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What are they...
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It's crazy.
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Holy shit.
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But because that language of equivalence of the Proud Boys and Antifa are exactly the
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same and in fact, Antifa is worse and they're funded by George Soros, that sort of language
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about the broader picture of street fights or whatever is the first step that leads us
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to make this okay, make terrorism okay.
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And you know, Charlottesville, President coming out and saying good people on both sides.
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That really helps that too.
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It muddies the water of what we're actually talking about.
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And that even goes back to Alex's saying that Soros is a Nazi collaborator.
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Because he never defines what Nazi collaborator means, which makes it so evil.
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Because if he said he is a Nazi collaborator, and by that I mean, when he was a very young
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boy, he was a part of the Jewish Council, which was an organization that...
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Oh, I should also tell you this.
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Back then they didn't let Jewish kids go to school and so they had to become a part of
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this.
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It wasn't really something he chose to do.
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But he was a part of this group and they would go deliver messages to Jews around town.
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And then if it was a summons and if they give this message to the person, they would end
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up getting taken away.
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So young George Soros told his dad about these messages he was told to deliver.
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And his dad said, deliver those messages that you tell everybody that you give that message
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to, that if you show up to that meeting, they are never going to come back.
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You warned them that this is something that is not what it appears to be.
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So Soros as a young boy went around and he delivered those messages and warned people,
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as his father did as well, saved a number of people from the Holocaust, from being taken
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away to camps.
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And then as a boy, after he made that run, was like, I am not doing this anymore.
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And so he disappeared and stopped going into the Jewish council meetings that he was made
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to do because Jews weren't allowed to go to school in those days.
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My favorite part of the Paul Revere mythology is that he was called a British collaborator
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the entire time.
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Remember that?
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Remember how when you learned in high school that the person who tells you that the evil
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is coming to destroy you, that person is actually collaborating with that evil.
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How could they not be?
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But you understand, like, if he wanted to have that conversation about like, what does
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collaborator mean?
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Is that what you mean?
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Then that would be the week that you would take all the power out of his declaration.
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He's a Nazi collaborator.
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And by that, I have the broadest definition for it.
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Because you could say that, yeah, as a kid, he did make one run of these things, but ended
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up subverting the process that he was supposed to be a part of.
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So like, there's all this stuff, and that is the essence of what's going wrong.
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There's this, like, deterioration of definition.
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There's a deterioration of truth, of context, of all this stuff, just serving, I don't even
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know, defense?
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People playing defense?
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Chaos.
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Chaos.
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Because I mean, if you look at that, there's a lot of shitheads on Twitter who are super
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popular, who wouldn't be in any way if they weren't saying the shittiest things.
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So for them, there has to be some sort of a financial incentive in having hundreds of
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thousands of followers, because they don't have a gig otherwise.
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And neither does Alex, at this point.
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With what he said there, too, is like, even if it was a false flag, his argument is that
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CNN is trying to paint him as a poor little baby getting bombed.
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That guy's a Nazi collaborator, which you put those two things together, and what he's
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actually saying is, why would you care if he got bombed?
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He's a Nazi.
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Oh no, totally.
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He's a Nazi.
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He should be bombed.
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That's definitely a piece of it.
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Yeah.
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Look, he's a Nazi collaborator.
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Why are you even trying to stop him from getting bombed?
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Why aren't you bombing him yourself?
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Why aren't you doing it?
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Right.
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There is a piece of that.
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Yeah.
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So I have a couple more clips.
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But that's when you apply logic to it, which we can't, we're not legally allowed to do
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anymore on this show.
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It's Trump outlawed reason and logic along with mirrors.
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And mirrors.
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Yeah.
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I have a couple more clips, but before we do that, I want to talk a little bit about
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how when I was preparing the episode for today, there were a number of like, I didn't want
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to talk about the present day, of course.
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I don't want to put people through that.
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And I think that a lot of the, I think a lot of the conversation we've been having is fairly
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basic.
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And I don't think that, I'm not saying we're being stupid or anything, but it doesn't really
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charm me all that much to reiterate, hey, this is why he talks about false flags all
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the time.
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This is his way of, like you very eloquently put, admitting without admitting that he knows
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something is really bad coming and he needs to not be on the hook for it.
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So I started to wrack my brain and think about like, what are other times that we could draw
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analogs to?
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And one of them was the Boston bombing and listening to that, that was just a waste of
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an hour unless we did a dedicated episode about that and it just wasn't, it wasn't right.
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And so it's hard for me to experience the things we're experiencing together as a country
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right now without thinking back to April, 2010.
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That month was a month that was full of right-wing insanity.
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And thus, when I was planning out this episode, I wanted to go back and see what Alex was
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saying about a couple incidents that stuck out.
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Imagine my surprise when I didn't find him saying anything and mostly just talking about
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how Oklahoma City was a false flag a bunch because April is the anniversary of the bomb.
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So there's some things I did learn though.
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And one of them is that in April, 2010, I can confirm for you that Alex was pro Tea
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Party.
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So he does end up getting on board with the Tea Party by April, 2010.
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He was also pro Oath Keepers who were very closely aligned with the rising tide and the
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Tea Party.
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And that's where April, 2010 went in a wild direction.
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On April, 15th, 2010, president of the Cleveland chapter of the Oath Keepers, Matthew Fairfield
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was arrested and indicted on 28 explosives charges, 25 counts of receiving stolen property
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and one count of possessing criminal tools.
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When the police searched his home, they found a literal napalm bomb that he had constructed
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as well as child pornography.
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From an article on cleveland.com, quote-
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That's a tough two-hander.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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Quote, a retired ATF agent said that the discovery of the homemade bomb was particularly troubling
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because napalm is designed to target people.
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Of course, this wasn't any kind of isolated event, quote, Fairfield was previously convicted
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and sentenced to two years probation in February for carrying concealed weapons.
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He strapped a loaded gun to his ankle while attending an event at a country fairgrounds.
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The napalm bomb is obviously a huge red flag, but this guy also had a bit of an armory going,
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quote, officers seized a detonator car, detonators, two M4 assault rifles, a 12-gauge pump action
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shotgun, a 22 caliber bolt action rifle and two semi-automatic handguns from the home.
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He was hunting.
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Right.
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This guy, this was a guy who was arrested on 28 explosives charges and he'd built a
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napalm bomb among other bombs.
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Generally speaking, you do not build bombs for recreation.
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They're intended to be used.
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A bomb just sitting around is a bomb that is not serving its only purpose.
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So I went back and listened to episodes around the time of Fairfield's arrest and there was
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an article that came out a couple of days after his arrest.
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So I checked that day too to see if like maybe Alex missed the news when it happened.
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And I expected Alex to say it was a false flag and there was an attempt to besmirch
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the good name of the Oath Keepers.
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But what I found instead was him not bringing up the story at all.
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Radio silence.
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Radio silence.
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Complete.
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And what's difficult for me about that is I had to listen to all of that and I can't
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prove to you a negative.
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I can't sit here and play a clip of him not saying that.
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I would have to just say, go ahead and waste four hours of your life to see that he doesn't.
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That's unsatisfying and I knew that couldn't be an episode but I still want to fucking
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talk about this.
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Yeah, I get it.
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So here was the president of the Oath Keepers chapter in a city of a population over 2 million
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people being arrested for building a bomb that was meant to target people with napalm.
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And Alex doesn't talk about it at all.
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Doesn't come up in the least.
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That sucks because I kind of wish that Alex had claimed it was a false flag meant to make
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the Oath Keepers look bad because then I could have told you all about Darren Huff, the Tennessee
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Oath Keeper who got arrested on April 30th, 2010 for planning an armed takeover of Madisonville,
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Tennessee's courthouse where he would assert control then put everyone under citizen's
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arrest.
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I could tell you about how he had 300 rounds of ammo and an AK-47 as well as a handgun
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because quote, I've got my 45 because ain't no government official going to go peacefully.
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I could tell you about how Huff only went to take over that town because they were hosting
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a trial for a sovereign citizen weirdo named Walter Francis Fitzpatrick who's being tried
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for trying to make a citizen's arrest on the foreman of a grand jury that he had nothing
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to do with, which led to him being charged with inciting a riot and disrupting an official
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public meeting.
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I could tell you that Huff was under surveillance the entire time he was traveling from his
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home in Georgia to Madisonville because he bragged to a bank employee that he and some
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militia buddies were going to take over Madisonville.
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I could tell you about how the city of...
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Thank God these people are so fucking stupid.
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I could tell you about how the city of Madisonville surreptitiously rescheduled Fitzpatrick's
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hearing and told courthouse employees to stay home that day so Huff and his militia buddies
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ended up showing up to an empty courthouse under total surveillance.
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Jesus.
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And how he got four years in prison.
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He only got four years in prison?
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And no one ended up getting hurt.
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All you can get him for at that point is like intent.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Ah, man.
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Yeah.
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We should really...
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Intent to take over a small town.
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We should really be working on those laws of like, hey, if you're trying to take over
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a town, we're gonna...
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Yeah.
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Can you...
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What?
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It seems like the stakes should be higher.
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And we might see a lot of that in the future.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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So it might be good to have a town meeting.
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Yeah.
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We might as well...
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We might want to start writing some stuff down.
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I could tell you about countless other very serious, but sometimes a little bit goofy
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like that last one.
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That's pretty goofy.
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Plots that have been planned or carried out by right-wing groups in this country.
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Just because something doesn't go off as planned doesn't mean that it's fake, which is an important
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distinction.
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Because secondarily, there is a ton of Oathkeeper-related right-wing violence and terrorism that Alex
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just doesn't even talk about.
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He doesn't even make the effort to say it's a false flag.
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So earlier when you were bringing up this idea of like, what does he call a false flag?
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And you were suggesting all of the things that you could pin on the right are false
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flags.
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Often he just doesn't talk about it.
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And this one, like this dude, this initial dude here, this guy, Matthew Fairfield, is
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a one-to-one parallel here.
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He was a guy who was making multiple bombs, one of them a napalm bomb.
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I mean, this is the sort of thing that you see.
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So the...
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How long is he in prison for?
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I don't remember.
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I think it was 16 years.
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I get it...
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God, that should be so much longer.
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I get it mixed up because there was another story about another guy from the Oathkeepers
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who may or may not have had a stolen grenade launcher that he claimed, I didn't know it
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was a grenade launcher.
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What?
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And yeah, he ended up going to prison for raping a seven-year-old.
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Twist.
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God damn it.
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Plot twist.
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God damn these fucking guys.
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Yeah.
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What do we gotta do?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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But Alex doesn't talk about it.
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What happened?
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You... so that... remember that island in Hawaii?
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Right.
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Molokai?
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Yeah, that used to be...
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The one that was a leper colony?
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No, no, no, no.
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The one that's underwater now.
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Oh.
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Can we put him on that?
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The one that's underwater now?
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Yeah.
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I feel like housing would be difficult.
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No, let's just...
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But it was an island.
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It can be an island again because climate change isn't real, so we don't need to worry
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about it.
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That's very optimistic.
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Yeah, see?
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I respect that.
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There we go.
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I would rather send him to Molokai.
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Get him on that leper colony island.
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That'd be fine with me because you can't send him to prison.
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You can't send him to prison, they're just going to teach other people how to make fucking
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bombs.
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When I lived in Hawaii, it was always so weird to me that there's two islands you can't go
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to.
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There's Molokai, you can't go because it used to be a leper colony.
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Right.
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And then you can't go to Lanai because it's entirely owned by Dole.
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What?
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Yep.
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One of the islands...
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Dole just owns an island of Hawaii?
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Yep.
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They just... it's all fruit.
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That's not okay!
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It's all fruit.
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Yep.
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I don't know if that's...
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Or maybe that's okay.
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Maybe we should have islands that are just fruit.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if that's 100% accurate, but that was what the understanding was growing
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up there.
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It's like, no one goes to Lanai.
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You can't go there.
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It's owned by Dole.
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Weird as shit.
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Anyway.
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Yeah, very weird.
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So all that is to say, I kind of wanted to talk about that stuff even though it's not...
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It's relevant to this episode, but not 100%.
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Alex doesn't talk about things that are real world damaging to him.
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He does predictably prepare people for these narratives that are going to be dangerous
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to him.
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Or real world events that he knows are coming that he can't avoid.
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He can avoid that thing with the Oathkeeper guy.
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This one he can't avoid.
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He knows that the guy that he is the biggest fan of is acting in such a way that it jeopardizes
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the safety of journalists.
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And in order to protect himself from the inevitable outcome of this, he has to create the false
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flag narrative.
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So the issue is that it's not just this.
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It's not just about saying that these bombs are fake.
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There's something much deeper at hand here.
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This is why everyone needs to be very worried.
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But when we do the second hour, I'm going to play Mike Adams predicting it all.
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I'm predicting it all.
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But understand, here's the big emergency.
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These are only probing attacks to shut it up and to test the public will they buy that
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Soros and Hillary and Bill and Obama and seeing their poor victims, this is introducing them
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as the targets.
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They whine and moan and predict if Trump doesn't stop, you're going to get us all killed.
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And then in rolls that big ass truck bomb into CNN Center, Atlanta, boom.
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All the execs will be off on a special meeting that day.
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Most of CNN crew would have never expected they'll get hit.
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They'll even take out a large group of their top people.
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Yeah, they're getting ready to hit themselves and hit themselves hard.
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MSNBC, ABC, they're going to hit themselves.
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So it's exactly what you said.
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Alex is articulating exactly what you said about the idea of now.
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If something does happen, that will be what it doesn't matter.
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He's saying that they're going to blow up CNN, which if that does happen, Alex now is
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ready to be like, who cares?
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It's not real.
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It's all fake.
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Who gives a shit?
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This is the globalists.
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So now all terrorism is on the table, man.
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Every fucking time I say there's no bottom, I still think there is one and there really
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isn't.
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Nope.
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There really isn't.
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There's nowhere else for them to go but lower than whatever you think the floor is.
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Alex is essentially...
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It's going to keep going down.
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He's essentially convinced or seduced all of the right wing media to his way of being,
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which is to normalize white violence and white terrorism to the point now where we have an
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entire political party and their propaganda organs that are in service of, man, if any
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white guys do anything, it's fake.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm starting to think that the election was about economic issues, Dan.
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Oh, yeah.
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Anxiety.
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Economic anxiety.
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Yeah.
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I think it was the Midwestern folks just felt like they were left behind.
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It's hard to say what the motivations were, but we can certainly see the effects.
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And I don't know.
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I don't want people...
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I don't want to leave people feeling like they...
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We're about to see a giant bombing because Alex...
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No, because Alex has been wrong about so many things in the past, so I don't think that
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anybody should take him saying that to be evidence that it's going to happen.
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But I would say that Alex thinks it's going to happen.
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You can clearly see that from that clip.
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He thinks that, shit, this is going to escalate.
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And he knows that because he knows what his fans are like.
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That's why he runs away from them on the street.
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That's why he knows.
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He doesn't want to go into the Trump rally because there's too many Trump people in there.
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He knows that.
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That's why he yells at a piece of shit and calls it Beto outside instead of actually
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engaging and being a part of the thing that he's created.
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He knows.
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He knows that there are dangerous people on that side and statistics back that up.
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And there's no reason why he would make that prediction and say it's going to be a false
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flag if he didn't have some reason to believe this is probably going to happen and we need
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damage control.
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Yeah.
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Well, I don't think...
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I don't know...
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Does anybody think that this is where it stops?
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No, of course not.
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But nobody thinks that 10 bombs that don't go off are where it ends.
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And especially...
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Like, I know that we're recording this here on Thursday evening.
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Yeah, Christ, we're going to wake up tomorrow and there's going to be another fucking bomb.
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Probably.
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And at press time, we can have the perspective of like, no one's been caught, but someone
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will.
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I mean, eventually this case will be solved.
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It's a sloppy situation.
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Yeah.
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This isn't a criminal mastermind that we're dealing with here.
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I'm sure there are fingerprints somewhere and this investigation is going to happen
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and it's going to...
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More facts will come out and we'll be able to discuss them more accurately as that happens.
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But at the same time, if you're the person who did it and you see an entire political
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party working their ass off in order to present it as if you weren't doing the thing that
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you did, I don't know what other message that sends to would-be bombers.
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It sends a message of, hey, if you do this, we're going to bat for you.
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Even if you don't get caught, we're going to do our best to make sure that people think
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it was this shadowy cabal of definitely not Jews.
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So I mean, the world that we're entering is super fucked up and dangerous if we don't
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step up and the media doesn't step up.
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I know some people are doing a good job about it.
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Don't get me wrong.
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I'm not saying everybody sucks, but people need to step up and talk about it in these
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terms.
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They're normalizing terrorism.
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It's not a situation of, hey, what's this quirky false flag hashtag that's going around?
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It's not that.
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It is this is, intentionally or not, the right wing seeking to normalize and make okay white
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terrorism.
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Now, granted, I'm saying that with no idea if the person who's doing this is white.
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We don't know anything about it.
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It doesn't matter, though, if the person is white, because they're defending it as though
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the person was.
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Well, there's that.
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But the reason that I'm putting that piece into the equation is because look at the MO
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and past history of the people who are doing this, who are in the media.
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There are people like Alex Jones, like Tucker Carlson, like Lou Dobbs, like Rush Limbaugh.
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These are people who have made careers out of justifying white crimes and minimizing
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the effect on their victims.
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These are the people who, I mean, Tucker Carlson did fine for himself on Crossfire, but he
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wasn't making nearly the amount of money he is now being just a lap dog who is justifying
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white supremacy on a nightly basis.
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So I'm saying that they're doing this in an effort to normalize white terrorism because
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of the people in the media who are doing it.
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Their behavior is in line with past instances of white terrorism, not necessarily that the
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perpetrator, once they're caught, is white.
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I just need to make that clear, lest it seem like I'm saying that when I accept there's
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an entire world out there of possibilities of who this person or persons are.
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I just imagine, like we don't get the opportunity to imagine this because Alex does not have
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a writer's room or a plan.
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No, I already told you it's deeply scripted.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I imagine being in that like production meeting before Tucker Carlson's show and there
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are a bunch of producers in there all talking about what it is we should say.
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And the consensus, was there even anybody who was like, maybe we're not doing this.
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Maybe we shouldn't say it's a false flag.
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I mean, it goes back to like we were talking about employees at Fox News.
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Like I'm not saying that's unimaginably cruel.
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I'm not saying that they all suck and they're all awful or anything like that, but I find
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it difficult to imagine people there who haven't quit already.
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It's hard for me to imagine that.
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I don't know that to be true, but it's very hard to imagine.
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There's a graphic designer who worked on the pop-ups, on the Chiron, on the whole thing.
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Like there is somebody doing that shit.
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Tucker Carlson doesn't record his show live like Alex does.
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That is a whole production meeting.
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On a smaller scale though too, Alex does have a staff and the people who would have maybe
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been like, I don't know about this.
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By natural selection, they're gone already.
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Like you know, Jakari Jackson didn't like the trend of things that were going on and
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he quit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Look, I don't know man.
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I'm not trying to be too fatalistic or too like, hey, everyone freak out.
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But like if we are not more careful about how we allow stories to be told, how we allow
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the media to behave, and I'm not saying like, let's put stringent rules on the media, but
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like people who are writing these stories, people who are writing the headlines of these
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articles need to be substantially more careful.
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They need to be more aware of what's actually going on and what the intention and effect
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of this right-wing propaganda is.
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It's incredibly difficult and I am not in any way jealous of their position.
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I couldn't do it.
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So I'm not saying, hey, I'm not wagging the finger like I could do your job or anything
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like that.
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But I also didn't go get a journalism degree.
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So you guys put yourself in this position because you studied journalism and now have
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made a career out of being journalists.
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So we, the public, trust you to know how to do journalism.
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And we trust you to adapt to the times that we're in and not fall into the traps of these
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right-wing propagandists that will lead us all down the road to hell where any attack
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on anybody on the left is seen as fake, because that's where we're going without people.
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I think that's where we are.
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Well, it'll be much worse soon, but that's where we're going if we don't get the help
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we need.
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And I say we, I don't mean the left, I mean people, because it's easy for it to swing
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the other way too.
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And I don't think we want that.
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Anyway, sorry, this is a bummer.
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Hopefully there won't-
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Boo.
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Boo.
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Terrorism.
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Boo.
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Boo.
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Terrorism.
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Boo.
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I thought you were booing me.
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No, I'm not booing you.
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It might be deserved, but I, look, I don't have anything to take the sting off this at
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all or anything at all, but hopefully there won't be any more bombs and next week the
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show will be more fun.
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Dan, everyone listens to this show expecting optimism about the future.
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We have put together a long track record of being very positive about the direction we're
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going and respecting everybody's right to an opinion.
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And what else?
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Welcome to Everything is Good, Looking on the Bright Side Pod.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, look, dude.
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It sucks.
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It sucks.
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I will tell you this.
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It's really, really good.
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It's a really positive thing that the bomber didn't kill anybody.
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I know that it's how I ended the last one when there was only one bomb in play.
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Now that there's like 10 plus, it's great that no one's dead, didn't kill anybody.
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And I'll tell you what, Alex didn't bomb anybody either.
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No, that's true.
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No.
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I'll tell you what he did though.
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What's that?
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He probably technically killed a guy.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
