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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Hey.
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Dan?
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Yes sir.
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How's it going in Skyrim?
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Skyrim, I actually haven't played in quite a while.
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You haven't played since you were sick?
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No, when I was sick I played a bit, and like is always the case whenever I play I just end up running around, gathering things, and then trying to build my house.
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I know, you're so into building your house and absolutely not into building your character, Dan.
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I'm not really so much into-
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Oh, that's a metaphor!
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Maybe it is.
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I'm not so into a lot of the, like, I find the quest stuff of it kind of boring.
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Because I know it ultimately leads to, like, the end of you do X, Y, and Z tasks and then that's all done, that story's done.
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Whereas if I build my house I can keep tweaking things.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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All right, all right.
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Let's not worry about that.
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You could say I'm playing the game wrong if you want.
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Do you know who is building our house, Dan?
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Uh, people I'd like to give a special thank you to.
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There it is.
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Some of our donors.
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Like I say, uh, Jordan, uh, today I'd like to, uh, start things off by thanking somebody who bumped their pledge up a little bit and we appreciate it also very much.
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Uh, buh buh buh buh.
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Kyle, you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark!
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, jar jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Kyle.
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Thank you very much, Kyle.
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We appreciate it also very much.
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Also, we appreciate someone who, uh, joined up with the team, uh, and got on board.
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We appreciate that very much.
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Thank you so much, Jacob.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jacob.
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Thank you very much, Jacob.
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Watch out for Esau. He's coming.
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Oh no.
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Esau is right around the corner.
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And because we did this backwards and went with the technocrat first, uh, might as well keep the trend going.
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Someone else who has just joined up with the team, we thank you so much.
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Eric, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Eric.
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Thank you very much.
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Eric with a K.
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Eric with a K.
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How cool.
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That is kind of cool.
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We appreciate all of you also very much.
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Uh, if you would like to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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Click that support the show button.
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We would appreciate it very much. And, uh, people are, are coming on board and we are, um, you know, I have to announce that we are very close to, um, reaching our goal that will make us have to do another documentary.
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Oh, goddammit.
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So I put up a poll on our Facebook group, Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, where the bawonks out there get to vote on what documentary we're going to break down.
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Uh huh.
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It looks like it's going to be the Obama deception.
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Oh no!
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I don't 100% want to do that. And I'll say one of the reasons why is that there are such good resources online that already debunk it.
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So for me, it wouldn't be nearly as much digging. I could use those resources and it wouldn't be as much of an exercise of look at this dumb shit I found.
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Right, right.
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So that would be kind of unsatisfying.
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Yeah, but those resources don't have, uh, anybody screaming and making dick jokes in the background.
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That's true.
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So there is that.
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There's still value in what we could bring to the table, but, uh, in second place is, uh, Police State 4, The Rise of FEMA.
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Wait, what?
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Yeah.
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Is that, is that the name of it or was there Police State 1 through 3?
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There was Police State 1 through 3, but I think the first one was actually Police State 2000.
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And then Police State 2, I don't remember what the subtitle of that one was, 3 is Total Enslavement.
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Total Enslavement!
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And then 4 is The Rise of FEMA.
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So that is-
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Boy, that seems, that seems backwards, right? Shouldn't The Rise of FEMA come before Total Enslavement?
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You would think.
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Um, so there's a, there's another possibility.
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It's a dark horse, uh, it's Alex's last documentary that I think might be fun to do.
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It's called Strategic Relocation.
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Okay.
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It's all about, like, bugging out and, like, doomsday prepping.
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Oh, okay.
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So getting, uh, getting your bag together and at the drop of a hat you can move to your, uh, uh, bunker in the middle of nowhere.
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Having a strategy for relocation, as it were.
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I like that.
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I like that idea.
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It could be a lot of fun.
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One of the problems with it is-
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Also, it could educate us a lot right there.
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We might need a bug out bag at, at, uh, a soon point.
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Yeah.
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One intrinsic problem with it, though, is that it's really just a really long interview with, uh, Joel Skousen, one of Alex's, uh, guests.
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Oh, that sucks.
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Yeah.
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And so it would be unsatisfying on that level, but I think as, like, a topic, it would be maybe more interesting than a lot of the other stuff that kind of overlaps with stuff we talk about all the time.
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So-
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I mean, what kind of research would you be able to do into, uh-
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It might just be me talking about, uh, uh, Joel Skousen and his uncle, uh, Cleon Skousen.
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His uncle's name is Cleon?
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Yep.
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And he-
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Oh, boy.
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W. Cleon Skousen.
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His uncle's name is W. Cleon Skousen?
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Yeah.
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Holy shit.
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He wrote a number of books that are really, uh, influential in the, like, birch world.
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Are you sure he wasn't a robber baron in the 1910s?
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He might as well have been.
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I mean, he wrote, uh, like, The Naked Capitalist and The Naked Communist, and they're, like, books that are really, really inspirational for Alex's worldview and all that.
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And a little sexy.
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A little bit?
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Yeah.
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It might be interesting to get into the- those are the three that I'm kind of, like, I think, uh, uh, are worth it, as opposed to, like, I don't want to do fucking loose change.
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Alex didn't even direct that.
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He just produced it.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to do, like, 9-11 Road to Tyranny, because then we're just gonna fu- I don't want to talk about 9-11 for eight hours or whatever.
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I kind of do want to talk about 9-11.
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I don't. I don't want to do that.
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I've always wanted to talk about 9-11.
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Look, it is- look, it's been long enough where we can make eight hours of 9-11 jokes and it'll be fine.
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That's not the issue that I have.
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I just- I think a monochromatic, uh, episode of, like, the documentary- the length of what the episode would end up being is, like, long.
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Oh, is it?
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And if you just have one topic, I don't know how fun that's gonna be.
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Alright.
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I think that there's gonna be a little bit of, like, oh, I love steak.
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I don't want that much steak.
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Okay.
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Too much steak.
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Alright.
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That sort of thing.
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I don't know.
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That's just the feeling I have.
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But voting is open on Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, our group on Facebook.
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And so if you want to check that out and get your votes in, you can do it.
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Alright.
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So-
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Let's see what happens, Dan.
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Yes.
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So, Jordan, today what we're doing is we are back in the past.
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Oh, thank God.
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Yeah.
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I feel like what happened to us at the beginning of the week is one of the difficulties of present-day Alex business.
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And that is that the consequences of it are so immediate and it feels much worse.
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Because the things that he's saying have an immediate effect on our immediate future.
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And the things that he's being a real shithead about are actually abusive to our present and our future.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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People we care about's future.
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And so it's hard to take an emotional distance from that.
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And I think that makes things a little less fun sometimes.
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It can be for me.
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Yeah.
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And so it's good to be back in the past.
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I'm very excited about this.
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Today we'll be going over March 11th and 12th, 2009.
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And man, I cannot tell you how crazy it is that every fucking time I sit down and listen to a 2009 episode, I'm like, alright, I know what's going to happen.
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I listened to the last episode.
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He's going to be talking about bird flu again.
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And every time I'm fucking surprised because I don't know what's going to happen.
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One day he might be pretending he's going to release the Obama deception on air that day.
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Right, right, right.
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Maybe he's going to review Watchmen.
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I don't know what he's going to do.
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It's entirely possible he's going to do both.
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This is no exception.
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I was caught entirely off guard by what ends up happening on the March 11th and 12th episodes.
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And here is an out of context drop.
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You sound credible.
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When somebody has a name like Shoe on their head, we have to confirm it.
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Yep. Yeah, you do.
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It's W Shoe on head.
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Thank you very much.
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He has a caller who tells him some big news story and his name is Shoe on head.
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You sound credible, but we are going to have to look into Shoe on head.
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Please don't take offense to this.
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Yeah, I've been burned by people with silly names before.
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And frankly, I thought Buckethead wasn't real.
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Yeah.
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So today he's going to drop a police state
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five back in the habit.
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Police state five.
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Shoes go on feet.
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So in a very interesting turn of events today, well, this part isn't interesting.
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We're going to start with March 11th.
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Not interesting at all.
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All right.
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That's linear.
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That's how we do things.
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But it is interesting that on March 11th, Alex actually starts the show by talking about news.
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There's something that happened overnight before this.
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And it's very unlike Alex to start the show,
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actually talking about something people might care about.
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Yeah.
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Get ready for more mass shootings all across the world.
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As the bankers attempt to disarm the few slaves that still have firearms.
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They've been saying this was coming.
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That's not the news.
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You know, that chimpanzee a few weeks ago, it was on a serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
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This is also not the news.
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This is not the news.
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Oh, the bankers are going to try and take our guns away and that's going to cause mass shootings.
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And let me tell you something.
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That chimpanzee, he was taking some fucking SSRIs.
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Yup.
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And that is another that's another thread.
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We're going to have to work on that any which way.
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But SSRI in the Prozac family and it had a bad trip and started tearing people's faces off.
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We're going to rip the lady's jaw off face off and in about 99% of the cases of monkeys.
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I mean, I've only seen out of hundreds of cases, a few where they were not on
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serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
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I haven't caught out anything.
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Alex is having real serious problems with pronoun reference because
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he is saying that immediately after talking about a chimpanzee attacking somebody.
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Yeah.
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So it would lead you to believe 99% of the time chimpanzees attack people.
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They're on SSRIs.
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That's not what he's saying.
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He's talking about shootings.
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He's talking about the mass shootings.
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So he just jumped in the middle with no, just a non sequitur.
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Did you know that like every chimpanzee when it gets to like eight rips faces off?
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Well.
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Like that's their thing.
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Because it's seven, they get put on Prozac.
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The Prozac family.
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And, uh, I'll bet you that probably both of these men have been seeing psychiatrists or
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psychologists, the mass shooting in Alabama last night, the mass shooting, killing 16 in
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Germany that just ended with the gunman conveniently being killed.
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Wait, conveniently?
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And it doesn't have to be a government mind control operation because copycats are going
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to hear about this and the media advertises the place to go when you're having a bad day
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on your Prozac is a school and you go there and you shoot people.
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The media is advertising that?
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You see the entire class of drugs known as serotonin reuptake inhibitors puts you into
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an hallucinogenic dream world state.
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That's uh.
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I really don't think that's true.
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No, that's unfair to science and also just this, you know, we talk about it all the time.
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This sort of marginalization and othering of people who try and get help with emotional
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distress, mental health issues is just so ugly to look at, especially on this week that
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in the middle of it was World Mental Health Day.
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Yeah.
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Hate to see this sort of rhetoric coming out of a ding dong like Alex.
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Um, but, uh, you know, what we have here is Alex jumping the gun and all like announcing
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that he's sure that these people were on SSRI drugs.
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Right.
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And then even in that declaration, he's qualifying it to say, I bet they maybe saw a psychologist,
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which I mean, that's the safest bet in the world is that someone who ends up going on
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a violent streak probably had some sort of an issue that they may have tried to seek
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out help for unsuccessfully or they stopped seeking help or they should have been seeking
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help.
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Right.
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And even a lot of people who don't get the help they need make efforts at certain points.
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So if you have somebody who commits a violent crime like this, almost always you're going
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to see in their past some sort of interaction with mental health services.
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And that doesn't mean that mental health services in any way caused them to become violent.
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But that's the, that's the inference that Alex is trying to make, which is one of many
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incredibly shoddy logical leaps that he makes in this episode.
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It's going to be a, it's going to be a mess.
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Uh, I, I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, the saying is, uh, correlation equals causation,
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right?
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Yeah.
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Isn't that what people say?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like it's always a one to one.
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Yeah.
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So I would say, and this, I know this, uh, cause I've, I've read the math and I'm 99%
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correct all the time.
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All the time.
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Uh, most of these mass shooters have eaten McDonald's before in their life.
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True.
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So one to one.
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Hold onto that level of like sort of deductive reasoning because it's going to come in real
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handy towards the end of this episode.
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That sort of real shoddy attempt at a syllogism is going to come into play.
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All right.
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So, um, this sort of rhetoric is especially dangerous because Alex is talking about how
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these people are mentally ill, um, and they're, you know, they're all wacky, you know, that
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sort of thing.
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And it would be bad enough if he was just trying to other them or, uh, you know, create
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some sort of societal shame about mental health.
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Yeah.
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That would be bad enough on its own.
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But the reason that it's even worse is he says things like this.
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And they are moving against the second amendment.
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The fact that this nation is a mix of good, hardworking, intelligent, dynamic, uh, inventive,
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uh, people full of ingenuity, but there's also a lot of spoiled rotten, mentally ill
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scum hopped up on every different type of Prozac, uh, hopped up on illegal drugs.
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And that's all the more reason that we should all have firearms.
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I mean, I have one right here in my studio because some nut comes around here.
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I'm not gonna get down on my knees and say, please, please don't blow my brains out.
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I'm going to defend myself like my forefathers did now.
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What?
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More children die an average year of football accident.
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You can pull those numbers up.
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But a lot of mainstream articles written about that over the years then die in shootings.
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I'm gonna go with no.
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Hundreds of times that people die in car wrecks.
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Last time I looked in the world, all that it was 12 times as many people die from drowning.
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And we banned swimming.
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Here's the problem with this sort of rhetoric, drowning.
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Here's the problem with this line of thinking.
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And I don't care to go and look into the statistics because who cares?
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I'll accept that he's right about all that.
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Sure.
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Here's why this is a more serious problem.
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No one has mass drowned school children at school.
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You can't do that.
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You can't mass kill, like you don't outlaw swimming because there's, you know, it's not
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an attack.
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Swimming isn't an attack.
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Most of the time, whenever there's drowning, it's people who are like caught in a riptide
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or something like that in the ocean.
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Yeah.
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So you have the, it's a natural force or whatever.
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There is a crime that's being committed against people in mass shootings that doesn't exist,
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generally speaking, with drownings.
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And a lot of the times with car accidents, although drunk driving is, you know, that's
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an issue.
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I just.
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But drunk driving is also illegal.
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So I heard some of what you said, but then you said there's no mass drownings.
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And I was trying to figure out how you could mass drown.
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Well, you could like flash flood a school.
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I don't know how you do it.
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It would be tough.
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For some reason, I got the mental image in my head.
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Do you remember the Jackson 5 costume where you had like four or two on each side connected
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to you and they were like puppets?
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Kind of.
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I can, I can imagine it.
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And, and I think that's how you would do it, right?
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You get five people.
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So you got two puppets on each side.
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The two puppets are drowning as well.
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And you're holding somebody else.
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I think it makes perfect sense.
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Are these people or puppets?
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They're puppets.
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So that way you can do it by yourself.
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You can't get, it's tough to get four others to mass drown with you.
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That's hard to do.
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I fully, I gotta be honest.
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I don't understand what you're saying.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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I can't get the mental image out of my head.
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I think it's, I just, it's like from a cartoon.
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I remember.
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No, no.
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I get the image of the costume or whatever.
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I don't know why it's the Jackson five.
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Why are you talking about drowning?
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I don't know.
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No, you're not drowning puppets.
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The puppets are helping you drown other people.
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You know, puppets can't, can't act.
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This is, that's why they're tied to your hands and wrists.
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So you can move along with them.
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Like the Jackson five thing.
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Marionette technology has not come that far.
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Jordan, I gotta be honest.
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I think you're crazy.
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That's whatever you're imagining is a nightmarish,
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something out of saw.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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You're imagining a torture device.
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Yeah.
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So maybe in that scenario you could mass drown people,
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but that's still less people than die in like a school shooting.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So that's kind of, I don't know.
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I just think that whenever you use those sort of statistics
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to minimize the idea of like mass shootings and be like,
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why are you talking about limiting access to guns
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when people die in drowning, drownings more?
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Yeah.
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It's like, that's stupid because one of the,
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one of those things you can't do to people in a school,
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I don't know, maybe you could at gunpoint,
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if the school has a pool, but you still probably couldn't.
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You could also, if you were Poseidon.
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Yes, that's true.
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That would take care of that.
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If you were a Greek God.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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There we go.
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There we go.
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If you have magic, that's the scenario wherein you could mass drown people.
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A hundred times the amount of people die in mass shootings in mass magic attacks.
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Right.
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Everybody knows this.
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Everybody knows it.
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It's just, and nobody's talking about it.
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The media isn't going to talk about it, Dan.
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When are we going to outlaw magic wands?
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When are we going to outlaw magic wands?
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Until then, let me have my fucking guns.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, the shootings that he's talking about,
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he's going to get back into them a little bit later,
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and I'll discuss the realities of them at that point.
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But just for now, that logic about guns is just the stupidest shit.
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So on a recent episode from the past that we were going over,
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Alex did that fun pageant on air about,
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fuck it, I'm releasing Obama deception now.
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Right.
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I'm doing it now.
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Yep.
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Still hasn't released it as of March 11th,
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but he's starting to talk about the shit that's going on behind the scenes
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at Infowars.
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Okay.
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We've had the FBI calling up and calling different extensions in the office,
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trying to talk to the police.
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Hello, it's the FBI.
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And then when I get on the phone and I call them,
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and it is the FBI and it's real agents,
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they say, we're not going to tell you what it's about.
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We're just asking you questions over the phone.
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And I think it's pure harassment because we're like,
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where is your office physically located?
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Tell us where your servers are located.
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Uh, and I'm like, Hey pal, you need to send me a subpoena.
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So that's where I am right now.
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That's where you're at.
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Waiting for the subpoena.
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I would suggest that the more likely scenario that I imagine
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is that someone's prank calling him.
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It feels, it feels like the FBI, first of all,
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wouldn't waste their time with something so fruitless as this.
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And even in 2009, you have to know that Alex Jones
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is the definition of oppositional defiant,
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unless you want him to say that the FBI is calling him.
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You don't, you don't fucking call him like that.
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And it doesn't serve anybody's best interest except Alex.
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So that means to me, he's making it up or he's taking a prank call
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and pretending it's real.
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And this is where he turns it into an ad for the Obama deception.
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So, I mean, I've got FBI fishing lines flying through the windows
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here at my office.
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Basically, there's a dragnet over the office.
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They're circling like sharks.
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And, uh, President Obama is not pleased with his film.
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I'd say 98% chance it has to do with the Obama deception.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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Yeah, he's making it up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Within a month of Obama being in office, inaugurated a month and a half before this,
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he's making it a fucking priority to get, get on,
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you better harass Alex Jones and make him scared to put out that documentary
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that's not going to have any effect on my, uh, career.
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There is a massive recession drawn and, and, and made by the housing crisis
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and all of this other shit.
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But you know who I can't stand right now?
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Alex Jones.
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Yeah.
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Alex fucking Jones.
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FBI.
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Call him up and just politely ask for his address.
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That you can find by Googling.
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Yes, that's, that's ludicrous.
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I find this to be the flimsiest of, uh, of narratives.
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But it's what he needs to do in order to get people more excited about the Obama deception.
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It's the same thing like that, that earlier episode where he's like,
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I'm going to release it now and maybe I'll release it later.
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They told me to release it Sunday, but I don't know.
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I don't even know if I'm going to wait that long.
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Now, maybe later.
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That sort of thing is the tease that he's trying to get people excited about.
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And now this is the all man, we're in danger sort of thing.
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It's the, it's, it's, it's very crafty marketing techniques, but nothing more.
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So I told you we're going to get back to these shootings.
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Alex, in this clip, he starts by talking about the Alabama shooting,
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but gets off track really fast into, remember how he was talking about that chimpanzee earlier?
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It might come back up.
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All right.
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Terrible news.
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Obviously, you know, about Alabama, you're hearing all the calls to disarm the slaves.
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Gunmen turned small Alabama town into a slaughterhouse.
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ABC news, she says, gun attacked with AK 47 assault rifle.
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And the police are saying fully auto.
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So lo, there is a restricted gun, but they had it.
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He spared no one, not his mother, not his grandparents, not the children,
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not even the family dogs investigators following the 24 mile trail of death
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through Southern Alabama are still trying to determine what set Michael
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McLendon on a murderous shooting rampage that led to the deaths of 11 people, including himself.
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He cleaned his family out.
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Coffee County coroner, Robert Preacher said, we don't know what triggered it.
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We don't know what triggered it.
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I mean, his, he lived with his mother, his wife, I guess,
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had divorced him and the children live somewhere else.
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Real quick.
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He wasn't married and he didn't have any kids.
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And it looks like he may have lost his job from some factory.
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And he threw a fit and killed mommy.
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Then he burned down the house.
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That's what happens.
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They kill one person.
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And then they heard it advertised in the media a million times.
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The thing to do once you've done this is not turn yourself in.
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This sort of ranting that Alex is jumping off into, and trust me, it goes some really crazy places,
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is his way of not having to feel anything.
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I think it's his way of turning this into some sort of like, Hey, it's really about
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the new world order and shit like that, as opposed to it being like a real human tragedy
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that you should feel something about when you hear.
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Or not.
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Blow your own head off.
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The thing to do is run around and kill your whole family.
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Dress up like Santa Claus.
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Go to the front door.
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You're mad your ex white left you and took the kids.
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Nope.
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So you kill them.
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That would be a very different Mrs.
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Doubt.
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Because we are a spoiled, wicked, degenerate culture on average, not everybody.
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What?
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Huh?
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Now, remember the chimpanzee a few weeks ago, tearing the ladies mandible off,
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ripping her eyeballs out, ripping her face off, attacking police.
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The chimpanzee was on a Prozac drug.
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Forget the exact one.
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You can pull it up.
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It was all over the nose.
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She had it hopped up on a psychotropic.
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Chimpanzees don't normally do that.
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So some of them do.
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That's like their thing.
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That's one of their things.
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Uh, but hold on, Jordan.
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This is elementary Alex rambling.
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Yeah.
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The place that this ends up going, like where his mind goes.
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So he doesn't have to talk more about this story that he's already clearly misreporting.
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Yeah.
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Like the idea of like his wife left him and took the kids and stuff like that.
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He's just making that up.
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That's not, that's not part of the story.
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At all.
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He's just me and the idea that like, uh, Hey, it's what the media tells you to do.
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Not blow your head off.
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The guy did kill himself at the end of this, like the, the shooter, you know, that's what,
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that's also what they generally do to avoid the consequences and having to live with what
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they've done.
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Um, but man, Oh man, we get a weird glimpse into Alex's psyche and his family history
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as this clip meanders on.
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And the cases that they have torn people apart, they'd been drunk or they've been given cocaine
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in the past.
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Monkeys are on coke.
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That's a very different, but a hundred pound chimp is as strong as a 500 pound pure muscle
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man.
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This sucker weighed 200 pounds.
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He's a big one.
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He had the strength of a 1000 pound linebacker.
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No linebackers are that heavy.
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They're so strong they can take one finger and just rip your nose off with it.
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I've told the stories about my,
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well, he was my dad's great uncle.
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So I guess what, what would you call him?
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My great, great uncle.
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Twice removed.
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Uncle Houston as he was known.
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W Houston.
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Thank you very much.
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And he ran away when he was 13.
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Got on ships, sailed around the world, came back, ran booze during the depression.
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But the point was he would tell my dad all these stories and he died when I was about
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five.
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I remember talking to him.
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And, uh, he would talk about how they would, you know, in Galveston, how they would have
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the chimpanzee.
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Why am I telling the story?
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Just so interesting.
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How they would have a little chimp.
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They got like an 80 pound one.
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Looks a little, looks sweet sitting there and they can put in the boxing ring and they
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had the big fairgrounds and they'd get all these big old country boys in there and guys
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that could, you know, throw a steer over no problem or whatever.
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You know, thinking they're tough and they are tough.
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Watch those guys.
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Those rodeos are tough.
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It would always be a rodeo champ and it'd be some big thousand dollar cash prize.
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They build it up all week and he's going to fight the champ.
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They put gloves on the champs and can tear the guy's face off and he'd get some 250
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pound, good old boy get in there and he'd go right in and the chimp would jump up and
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down and beg to not be hit.
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And then the guy hit the champ and the champ in seconds would punch him like 50 times,
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just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam out.
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So what have they done now?
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A bunch of States are passing laws to ban owning basically any wild animals in some
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States or chimpanzees.
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See what Prozac has done again.
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What?
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And I'm not saying it's even a good thing to own a chimp, but that's freedom folks.
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What the hell?
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What the fuck was that?
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I don't know.
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One, his great uncle sounds like a fucking wild man.
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Yeah.
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And in the way of like, you read about that in a history book and you're like, that's
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an interesting fucking dude.
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A monster, obviously.
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Yeah, but if you were confronted with that in real life, you'd be like, holy shit, this
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guy needs to be fucking contained.
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He was the Don King of underground chimpanzee boxing.
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What was that?
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What the fuck was he talking about?
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Alex is like, my lineage involves the founders of Texas, the Tudors come from royalty.
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Also part of my family was involved in chimpanzee boxing.
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That's carny shit.
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No, that's actually the Tudors right there.
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That's the Tudor line.
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Yeah.
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I love, I love how his mind works.
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At least at this point in history where he's like, I don't really have much more to say
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about this shooting, but man, I like talking about that chimp.
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What?
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All right.
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That chimp was up on all these Prozac drugs.
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You know, my uncle, my great uncle, boy, he was a crazy dude.
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He was involved in getting rodeo dudes to box chimpanzees.
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Boy, could those chimps fight.
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And now the government wants to make it illegal to own monkeys.
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And this is what Prozac's done.
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What?
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That is a, uh, a runaway thought train.
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But I do, I admire the hell out of at the end, they're trying to be like, this is what
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Prozac's done.
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Cause there's a part of his brain that still realizes I need to make this make sense.
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Stay on target.
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Stay on target.
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You stuck the landing again.
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You don't need a Bella Coroli to come pick you up after this one.
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You did it.
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That's so great.
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Your Bella Coroli reference is amazing.
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Thanks.
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That, that is, that is solid.
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This is, that's what Alex inspires in me back in 2009.
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Right.
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Stupidity that he's, uh, he's putting forth.
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God damn it.
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It's great.
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You know, my great uncle used to stage underground fights with a Bella Coroli.
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Is that right?
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All gymnasts fighting each other.
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They got the smallest gymnasts to fight each other.
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They put the gloves on them so they couldn't tear your face up.
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Exactly.
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And I don't know if you know this.
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Most gymnasts, when they get to the age of eight, they, uh, just, they just can't handle
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it anymore.
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And they just, anytime they see a human being, they take it as a threat, especially if you
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smile at them.
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You know, bearing teeth to gymnasts is a really, uh, it's like a, uh, a challenge is what it
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is.
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So you gotta, you gotta send them to a place where they can be taken care of comfortably.
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Yeah.
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Man, this is funny, dumb shit.
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I love that clip.
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I wish I could live inside that clip.
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I do.
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That's, that to me is like, whenever, whenever you talk about Alex Jones being the biggest
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monster in the world now, which he is, he was still a bad dude back then, but like,
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this is what I mourn the loss of.
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Yeah.
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Like stuff like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My uncle was a fucking monkey fighter.
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Cause he's got four fucking hours to fill.
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And if he talks about the reality of these shootings, like it undermines a lot of like
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the narratives that he wants.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So this Alabama shooting, um, the shooting was perpetrated by a guy named Michael McLendon,
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who was a 29 year old white dude, uh, who despite what Alex is reporting was not married
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and did not have kids.
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Uh, he lived at home with his mother.
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They had difficulty finding work.
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He failed to complete basic training when he tried to enter the services and he found
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himself in a really bad position in the world.
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When he did shoot his mom and set fire to the house, what he then did is when killed
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most of his mom's side of the family, he ended up doing that and he left a note behind
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explaining his actions.
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Quote, he wrote that he wanted people to pay for making his mother and him suffer.
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He went on to write, quote, mama was very sick, had lung cancer, I think.
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So I put her out of her misery.
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I'm sorry, but mama had suffered enough and so have I.
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Some of the people who made us suffer will pay.
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After everything was said and done, his mother received an autopsy that did not support his
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claim that she was sick and she definitely didn't have cancer.
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There are indications that he was depressed, but no indications that he was receiving
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treatment.
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In the end, what it is is probably just a down on his luck, very deluded, mentally ill
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person who had imagined that his mom was sick and he wasn't getting the support he needed
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from his mom, who was probably not happy with all of their positions in life.
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Yeah.
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And he decided to affix blame on his mother's side of the family.
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He thought he was mercy killing his mom and punished them for the perceived lack of
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support.
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So it's just someone, you know, not just someone.
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Wait, so you're saying this was a white dude?
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Yeah, bingo.
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That doesn't sound right.
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So this instance, if Alex talked about the reality of it, you'd have to look at all of
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the things that he rails against being accurate.
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Well, and when we talk about, like, there's always violence against women involved in
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these mass shootings and stuff like that, the violence against women in this case is
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perpetuated under the auspices of like mercy, but it is still a violent act towards his
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mother and towards other members of her side of the family.
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This is still obviously a crime that has some sort of resentment or anger towards his mom
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towards women, towards a version of domestic violence.
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So this doesn't really work for Alex's stuff.
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And from everything I can find, there's no evidence that he was on any kind of SSRIs.
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Alex is just using that.
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And he probably should have been.
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Probably.
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I mean, that's really the bigger story.
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Yep.
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Now, it's interesting because Alex wants to demonize SSRIs and Prozac so desperately.
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But in this next clip, I think you'll see that he doesn't understand pharmacology at
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all.
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And I think he thinks that Prozac is something very different than it is.
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And all these cases, it happens all over.
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It's a favorite thing on one of these serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
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I've seen stories out of Utah and stories out of Texas and everywhere.
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Where women dance naked on roofs.
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I don't know why.
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That's what they do on it.
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It'll pull up in some mansion.
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There'll be some gorgeous middle-aged woman, naked, dancing, cutting her breasts off with
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a butcher knife up on top of the house.
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And the cops go, we got another Prozac head.
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Police know this.
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What?
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Because it's a hallucinogen, folks.
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Puts you in a hallucinogenic state.
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And when you have a bad trip, it's over.
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Hey, you take PCP, take LSD.
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I take it 100 times, you don't have a bad trip.
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But that one time Mike Nelson ought to get him in here.
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Derek Einkauf, they were both EMTs previously.
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Mike in San Marcos, San Antonio and Derek down in Houston.
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And Derek had to quit because he, you know, the last time he said he went to some house
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and the drug dealers and left cocaine out and the 18 month old toddler eating a bunch
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of it and the baby was blued out on the ground.
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He had to quit.
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But, but the issue is they both went to calls with PCP heads.
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Just like a chimpanzee.
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The people's ears, their noses, their faces would be torn off.
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There'd be some guy on PCP out of the park.
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Both cases.
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And somebody mess with them.
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And the PCP person.
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In both cases, little guys would just tear the person's face off.
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You can't use stories about people on PCP to demonize people on Prozac.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, that makes sense.
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I think Alex thinks they're the same thing.
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Maybe.
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Anytime there's a acronym.
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Yeah.
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It's an SSRI.
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Well, that reminds me of PCP.
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So there you go.
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Which reminds me of EMTs and these two dudes who found a dead baby who ingested cocaine.
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Again, not related to Prozac.
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Nope.
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No indication that those drug dealers were on Prozac.
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This has nothing to do with anything.
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He's just trying to couple the association in his listeners' minds of the effects of
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PCP are the same as the effects of Prozac.
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They're trying to give you that because then you're going to end up like these PCP
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heads tearing people's face off like the chimpanzee who was on Prozac.
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I have proven my point.
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My uncle was a monkey fighter.
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That's the level of logic that's going on here.
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This is insanity.
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I understand the idea of someone being cautious about overprescription of drugs.
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Something like that.
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There are very legitimate arguments to make about how pharma is a big business and people
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get put on drugs a lot of the time that are superfluous to their conditions.
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Drug reps are often insidious in their influence trying to get doctors to prescribe things
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that maybe people don't need or kind of need but could get similar effects through exercise
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or something like that.
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I understand that.
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That conversation is well worth having.
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But this one isn't.
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This one is just an outright demonization of the idea of getting mental health services
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and the idea that some people do need medication in order to help them live productive, decent
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lives.
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And that is not a slight on them or a shame in any way.
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This is disgusting.
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No, I mean, my very first psychiatrist prescribed Abilify.
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That's the one that had the cool commercial.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which fucked me up.
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Yeah, that can happen.
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I did not blame him or Abilify.
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That can happen to anybody.
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Sure.
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That can happen.
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And some people found Abilify to be incredibly helpful.
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Yeah.
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It was very much a like even while he was prescribing it to me, I could actually hear
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the drug rep in his ear like the little demon on his shoulder because it costs 700 bucks
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for a month's prescription.
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So you're like, that's the problem with Abilify.
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Yeah.
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Not whether or not the medication works, that it's a fucking runaway prescription, like
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a runaway cost, a runaway moneymaker.
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Yeah.
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That's the issue.
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That's what you can talk about if you want to do that.
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There's a hundred examples of that and that's sort of like an insidious version.
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And then there's the simple benign version of like, hey, sometimes you take a medication,
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it doesn't work and you got to switch it.
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Yeah.
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Because like I've had family members who've taken things that are like, well, it worked
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for the symptoms, but cause like massive weight gain.
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Yeah.
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Or something like that.
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And then, well, it's a shame, but that's something that's going to drastically affect
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your life.
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You got to try something else and see if you can get to the right place.
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Yeah.
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Decreased sex drive, fucking lethargy beyond reason, you know, all of this stuff.
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Like I tried probably five or six medications before I found something that actually worked
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for what I needed.
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And then in very small numbers and very minute portions of the population, you can have severe
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side effects.
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Yeah.
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And they aren't like being on PCP.
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And it's not the same as you take it and you're fine.
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And then one day you have a bad trip on your Prozac or whatever, but some people can have
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incredibly negative reactions based on their individual chemistry.
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You know, just the unique fingerprints of our brain sometimes don't work with X, Y,
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or Z drug.
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And demonizing that drug because of the small amount of negative reactions that happen to
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it is absurd.
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That is just stupid.
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And it's regressive to the point of just deny science.
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Just go ahead and say science isn't the thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
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You might as well.
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Well, that's because magic kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, Dan.
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We've been over this.
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Exactly.
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That is true.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The worst thing that can happen with these drugs is not fucking hallucinating on the
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top of your roof.
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If you're an attractive 40-year-old woman, it's only an attractive 40-year-old.
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40-year-old woman on a roof.
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The worst thing is you get a rash that might kill you.
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I will say that someone cutting their breasts off dancing on a roof does sound like something
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that someone on PCP might do.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I think all of Alex's examples are people on PCP, and he's just saying it's Prozac.
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Yeah, that's fucked up.
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Congratulations, Alex.
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Also, I don't think that like the precision...
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I don't want to say anything like that sounds positive, but the precision that's required
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in order to carry out a massive mass shooting, I don't think you could do that on PCP.
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I think that you could try and punch your way through a school or something like that,
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but I don't...
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Like, you wouldn't have the time...
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If you take PCP...
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That's a great video game, by the way.
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Punch your way through a school.
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Sure.
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You can only find that in a Japanese arcade.
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I want to punch my way through high school.
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I want to punch through the double doors.
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See, with that song, now it sounds like a montage in a Rocky movie.
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Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that, but from my understanding of PCP, it's
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pretty immediate, and it's pretty rage-full.
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Like, there's no...
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No idea, and I have no interest in finding out.
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I've watched a lot of episodes of Cops where people who are on PCP, they punch through
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fences and shit.
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That sounds fun.
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Yeah, that's one of those drugs that like, I will never do it, I will never know what
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it's like, but I'm very curious what it feels like in your brain.
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Yeah.
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Like, that kind of, I've, you know, I've done enough substances in my life to know, like,
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altered states are very different.
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Yeah.
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And I can't imagine how different that is.
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Like, whenever I see someone who's really drunk, I'm like, eh, I kind of know what you're
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feeling right now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I can empathize in a way with like, ah, all right, all right, but I see someone on PCP
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and I'm like, that is a mystery.
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I want...
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That is, I do not know why you thought it was a good idea to punch through that fence.
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That's the only reason that we do really need VR.
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Maybe.
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We just need to know what it feels like to take some of the really crazy drugs, you know?
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But I don't know if you could, I don't know if you could recreate that through VR.
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I think the technology is coming around.
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I don't know.
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I don't think there's a safe way to feel those things.
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Anyway, so the Alabama shooting, Alex is way off on, he's way off on medications.
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Everything.
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Except for underground monkey fighting.
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He might have a good point about that, but even if he does, it's so far in the past as
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to be irrelevant.
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Yeah.
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So now he gets to the German shooting and this one he surprisingly is also off on.
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German school gunman kills 16 people.
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16 people have been killed by a teenage gunman who went on a rampage in southwest Germany.
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I'll bet my bottom dollar, this guy was in psychiatric care, and I bet my bottom dollar
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that it's going to be discovered that somebody gave him a gun with a connection to intelligence
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services.
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I would like to take that bet, sir.
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And we've seen this in case after case after case after case after case after case after
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case after case.
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Take case five more times.
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So with the German shooting, this is a guy who shot up a school.
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His name was Tim Kretschmier.
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He wasn't on psychotropic medication, or at least there's no indication that he was from
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anything I can find.
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He was put into inpatient treatment briefly, but failed to continue outpatient treatment
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when he was released, which was a condition of him getting out of this hospital.
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He fell off on his treatment, probably intentionally.
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Yeah.
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He spoke to a therapist a few times in the year before his murders and expressed his
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violent urges, which his therapist warned his parents about.
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His parents denied the claims and said he never received psychiatric care, which kind
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of falls in line with the picture that's painted of his parents of being kind of delusional
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and in denial about their son having any sort of default.
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Almost, it appears that they saw him as an extension of themselves.
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Like, he got bad grades in school and was unable to find an apprenticeship, and his
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parents were in deep denial about that.
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He was on a, I believe it was on a tennis team, and people said that he was very difficult
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to work with and was hard to be on a team with.
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And his parents were just in denial about his behavioral issues growing up.
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Yeah.
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So there is a pattern that sort of emerges with his life, and the idea that this therapist
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is like, I told them about his violent urges, which is the most I could do legally.
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Right.
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And they were like, nope, nah, no one said anything.
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And he wasn't even in psychiatric care or psychological treatment at all.
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And also, no one with, you know, government intelligence gave him the gun.
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He stole it from his dad.
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Great.
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His dad had 20 guns.
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Great!
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But he was a good citizen, for the most part, in as much as he was a part of, like, a shooting
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club, a recreational shooting club.
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So he had all these guns.
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His son stole one.
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And in the aftermath, there was an investigation, and they found that he was in breach of German
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laws in terms of, if you own guns, you have to properly lock them up.
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He didn't lock them up properly, so he got in trouble.
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He had to go to court, and he was found guilty of being an accessory, essentially, to this
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school shooting, which is appropriate to some extent.
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Yep.
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He didn't get that drastic of a sentence, which I think is also appropriate.
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I think that it's awful to be the person who has given access to this weapon that killed
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a lot of people.
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But at the same time, I don't think you should treat that like he actually did the actual
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crime.
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And his response to it was actually pretty admirable.
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The people came around, and they found that one of his guns had been taken and used in
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this crime, and he immediately offered to relinquish his right to own guns.
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So even all those 20 guns that he used for this sporting hobby of his, he was like, oh,
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absolutely, here, you guys, I'm not going to own guns anymore.
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Yeah, clearly, I fucking shouldn't.
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Yeah, so that story, Alex is pitching about this guy, that he was on psychiatric medication
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and that someone in the government gave him a gun, all of that is not true.
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He's reporting willy-nilly and just saying what he wants to be the case, which I'm sure
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later he will say is the case, but it's not the case.
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None of that's true.
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Jesus.
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Yep.
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That's fucked up.
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It is, but that's what you do when you're not a fucking journalist and you're masquerading
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as one.
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When you think that you know things and you don't, you say things that are wrong all the
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time.
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And when you have a big old chip on your shoulder, you're like, why does everyone think I'm wrong
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all the time?
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I'm wrong all the time.
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I'm always right.
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Why would you, I mean, do you really need to defend guns that much?
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Yes.
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Do you really need it that badly?
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Yes, because it's the only thing that's standing between us and fucking tyranny.
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Yeah, I mean, I just don't think it is.
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It's not, but that's what he believes and that's why he's so vociferous about it.
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I don't know, maybe there's other reasons too.
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He just really fucking loves his gun.
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But this gets a little bit worse, this attack on mental health, as it were, because Alex
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gets a call from a guy named Jack McLamb during the middle of this call.
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We've talked about him before.
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He's a big old shithead.
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You can find us talking about him in a past episode.
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But on this episode, he lives up to that classification with this stupid, stupid fear
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mongering about therapy.
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The Obama Nation, our phony president, he hates guns.
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He's a communist.
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He wants all the guns out of the hands of the people.
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And so our military intel told us that we would see more of these mind control assassins
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going in and shooting up their families, killing their families and killing children and killing
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masses of people.
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And that's exactly what's happening now, brother.
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So you're right on target.
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And I just wanted to tell the people that we have here at our two police and military
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associations that issue that explains government's five easy steps to creating a mind control
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assassin out of anyone, even you.
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If you go into your psychologist or psychiatrist and they put you under hypnosis, the government
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can tell them to make you a mind control assassin, and it only takes an hour for them to put
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a key in your brain.
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Oh, man, that's I mean, why would you ever go to therapy if you believe that?
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Like, why would you ever get help if you believe that there's a possibility that the government
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is going to tell your therapist to put a key in your brain within an hour that can turn
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you into a mind control assassin, that it only exists because Obama wants everybody's
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guns and he's a communist and wants to create an oppressive state.
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Why would you like if you're feeling depressed, you have nothing to help you.
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There is no resources, nothing.
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Suck it up.
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Did the government publish that self-help book, The Five Easy Steps to Create a Mind
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Control Assassin?
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No, but Jack McLamb did, and he's selling it.
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The the seven highly effective habits of mind control.
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He's selling it.
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And later, Alex has him do a sales pitch for this like resource.
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So it's even like in his financial interests to create this demonization.
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What a fucking idiot.
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Yeah, man, these are bad people.
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So let's jump off the mental health stuff, because I think we've said our piece and we've
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allowed these dickheads to say their piece.
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Yeah.
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And now at this point...
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You decide.
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Alex Jones gets a call from a guy who's not named Shoe on Head.
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Not yet?
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No, this isn't Shoe on Head.
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He gets a call from a guy and this dude brings up a news story that Alex will later report
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as truth based on the fact that this caller is bringing it to his attention, which is
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a problem because this caller is a fucking idiot and might as well be named Shoe on Head.
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Okay.
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Andy in Montana, you're on the air.
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How you doing, Alex?
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I just wanted to know if you'd heard about the explosions in Bozeman, Montana and Whitehall,
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Montana, where two American legions were blowing up.
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When did this happen?
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This happened last week and it's barely been in our news and it hasn't made news at all.
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I know there have been bombings of different corporate offices and banks and police have
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been killed in, what was it, in Washington state.
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I know there's all sorts of weird bombings going on that no one is covering.
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And generally, that means it's a real terrorist attack.
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See, the MO is, during the 70s and 60s and 70s, there were hundreds and hundreds of bombings
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that killed scores of people and wounded scores more.
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And because it was real terrorism, you don't give real terrorism if you're the government
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attention, you only give your staged events attention.
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So in that clip, Alex is, without signing off on this, is giving the implication that,
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yeah, this guy, the fact that I haven't heard of this means that it's probably real.
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This guy saying that a couple of American legion offices or buildings in Montana have
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been blown up.
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Two things.
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First, if you're going to ask Alex how he's doing, wait for him to say a response.
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Who are you, Steve Pajaniak?
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That's just rude.
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That is just rude.
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All right.
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Second, if he is admitting that in the 60s and 70s, there were all these bombings happening
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all over the place, what, Dan, and who do you think was perpetrating those bombings?
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Do you think it was Muslim terrorists?
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I don't think so.
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No, do you think it was black people bombing shit all over the place?
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Well, I mean, the Weather Underground was bombing some stuff, so it was them.
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There were some left-leaning domestic terrorist groups.
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Yeah, no, no, no, I'm saying that contrary to what he constantly says, it was a shit
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ton of white people.
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Right.
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If he's even saying this at all, which is not accurate, but he has to admit that, you
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know, the terrorists back then were white dudes.
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Even now, there's a lot of like eco-terrorism that involves bombing.
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Yeah.
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That's probably primarily white people.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, so this Montana situation is real fucked up because Alex will later in this
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episode repeat this because he's gone and Googled a few things and he's found a headline
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that works for him.
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And so he reports back basically the same story that this caller has pitched to him,
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which is that these American Legion halls have been blown up in Montana.
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Yeah.
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So there's a problem with this.
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There's a couple of problems.
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First problem is that this caller is saying that two American legions were blown up, which
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is not true for a couple of reasons.
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The first is that while the explosion in Bozeman did in fact affect a American Legion, that
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is true among other businesses.
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There are a bunch of businesses around and American Legion was one of them.
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So he's already implying that the American Legion was the target.
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Yes.
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Now, the second thing here is that in Whitehall, it did not affect an American Legion.
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It affected a restaurant called the Legion Street Grill, and this caller seems to not
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know the difference because the word Legion is in there.
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Okay.
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So the bigger issue here is that neither of these were bombings.
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The incident in Bozeman was technically an explosion, but it was caused by a failure
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in the gas main that some people have theorized was set off by a minor earthquake nearby.
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The incident in Whitehall, on the other hand, was not an explosion.
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It was a fire that engulfed a few businesses caused by a faulty refrigeration unit.
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Neither were suspicious at all.
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The one in Whitehall was thoroughly investigated.
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They found the source of the fire.
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They were only suspicious as it relates to whether or not the businesses or the gas mains
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were up to code.
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Also, plenty of media covered these things.
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They're deeply traumatic to the economies of those towns, and the blast in Bozeman killed
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one woman.
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So they were pretty serious events.
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You can find news stories from local media and stuff like that.
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There's just not really that much need for the national media to cover a gas main explosion.
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Right.
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And the New York Times did cover it a couple days later, a week later, or something like
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that.
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But it's not of immediate concern necessarily until all the facts are out and all that.
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These weren't bombings.
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This is just ludicrous bullshit that Alex is allowing his callers to steer him into.
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It's pretty crazy.
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Yeah, that's fucked up.
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Yep, pretty bad.
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I don't know how to respond to somebody who, even if you tell them the reality of it, they're
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going to say it's a cover up.
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Probably.
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Because they didn't stage it, because it was an actual terrorist act, they can't tell you
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the truth of it.
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So they hire all these fancy scientists to lie to you.
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Little do you know, there aren't any gas mains and earthquakes aren't real.
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I did not know either of those things.
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All earthquakes were false flags.
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So all earthquakes are false flags?
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Absolutely.
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Well, that is because the Earth is hollow or flat.
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Whichever it is you prefer.
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Flat and hollow.
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Flat and hollow?
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Uh huh.
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Where?
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Like a stuffed crepe without any filling.
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Oh, that sounds delicious.
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Sure.
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So Alex isn't done talking about the Alabama shooting in particular.
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And one of the reasons for that is that there were reports of the military being involved
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after the fact.
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Oh, of course.
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So in terms of military out on the street, there were troops from Fort Rucker in Alabama
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that were helping out with the response.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So...
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The blowfish.
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Yes, Darius Colonel Rucker.
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So the issue here is that these shootings took place in multiple cities, very small
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cities in Alabama.
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They have very limited law enforcement capability in their counties and that sort of thing.
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So the response to it, some of these people from Fort Rucker deemed it appropriate for
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them to help out.
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The extent to which they helped out was very limited, but also they did get in trouble.
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From an article in the military.com from October 20th.
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So this is a bit after the fact.
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This is October 20th, 2009.
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An army investigation found that soldiers should not have been sent to man traffic stops
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in a small Alabama town after 11 people were killed in March during a shooting spree.
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An army report released to the Associated Press on Monday in response to a FOIA request
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said the decision to dispatch military police to Sampson from nearby Fort Rucker broke the
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law.
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But an army spokesman said no charges had been filed.
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As a result of the findings, the army took administrative action against at least one
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person.
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Yeah.
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So they found that it was a breach of the Posse Comitatus Act, which is exactly what
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Alex would like them to bring up, which they do.
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This is all handled very appropriately.
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Yeah.
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So what they found was that the officer who made the decision to send the soldiers thought
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he had the authority based on his experience with responses to Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane
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Andrew.
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According to the report, the officer's, quote, intent was to be a good army neighbor and
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help local civilian authorities facing a difficult, unique tragedy affecting the local community.
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Yeah, there were apparently no adverse collateral effects to the support provided, but it's
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still inappropriate.
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And so the army took appropriate action.
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This guy got administrative.
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So I mean, I mean, it wasn't like we're taking over.
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It was like, we're trying to do good.
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Yeah.
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Isn't that isn't that what we have a military for?
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That's a big part of it.
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And that's not really what it's there for.
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But they weren't really.
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I mean, to do good.
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Oh, to do good.
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You'd hope larger.
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Well, yeah, broader picture good.
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Yes, yes.
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So Alex has heard these reports that there were military on the streets.
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And of course, that gets him too messant.
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Yeah, it's very excited about that.
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It's bad optics.
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And so what he does is he reaches out and tries to get in touch with someone from Fort
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Rucker in Alabama, right?
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Gets in touch with this guy named Colonel Weil.
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And the guy ends up actually calling into the show and talking to Alex, which never
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goes well for people who talk to Alex.
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Well, it's just terrible.
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10 people dead, including the shooter in Alabama, 16 dead in Germany with some lunatic that
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went into a school.
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And I haven't heard the army interviewed on this.
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We saw it in Reuters and a few other newspapers that they were there after the shooting, providing
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security.
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And so we thought, why not get the regular U.S.
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Army on from Fort Rucker?
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And we have Lieutenant Colonel Scott Weil on with us.
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Colonel, I know you're very busy and I appreciate you giving us the time.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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Thank you very much for calling.
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So he seems like a polite man.
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They have an interview that's very abrupt, not abrupt, but it's very short.
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He ends up just Alex is trying to do gotcha questions about like, we're out there, you're
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out there trying to police people.
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You're just trying, it's trying to, you're trying to insinuate yourself into the police
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force of your military shit.
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And he's very polite in his responses.
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And in this clip, Alex tries to nail him down about the idea that they were policing citizens.
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And I think that Colonel Weil has a good answer, but at the same time, you know, proof of the
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pudding is in the eating.
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And the fact that their investigation found that they had breached the Posse Comitatus
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Act means that his interpretation is not what the army decided was the case.
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But I do believe him.
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I believe Colonel Weil in terms of what he's saying here.
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Previously, if there was a shooting going on in Alabama, would the regular army respond
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to that?
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Uh, well, sir, I mean, we wouldn't respond to it.
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We would not, we would never respond off the installation in a law enforcement role.
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What we, what we will provide, though, is in support functions, you know, we will provide
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assistance, you know, to our partner community.
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Sure. So military police, though, setting up checkpoints, stopping traffic going through
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that is not a law enforcement role.
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Yes, sir.
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That is a law enforcement role.
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And that we would not do here at Fort Rucker.
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I can't speak for what NORTHCOM or the Army War College is trying to put together.
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But here at Fort Rucker, we would not do that.
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No, no, but I mean, I'm looking at photographs of police blocking the military police, army
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military police blocking the road.
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Yes, sir. All we were doing was enforcing the cordon and just directing traffic around
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it.
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We weren't, we weren't stopping anybody.
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We weren't engaging anybody.
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We were just directing traffic.
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So that is the distinction that he is trying to make.
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And I, I see where he's coming from.
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They had very limited manpower.
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So they used some military personnel in order to man these places where they were directing
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traffic.
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And then the other thing they did was they guarded like the morgue and stuff like that.
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They gave people breaks who were the local law enforcement and the sort of appropriate
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authorities.
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And that was deemed to be inappropriate.
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But the idea that they were stopping cars and all that stuff, that's not accurate.
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Even in the, even in the military's own report, that doesn't reflect that.
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That's an accusation that Alex is making based on pictures that he's seen where it's very
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easy to misunderstand what you're seeing in a picture.
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Cause military police like directing traffic looks very similar to them having a roadblock.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Alex is making that misrepresentation.
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You can tell the difference because they had whistles though.
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Right.
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They were like beep, beep, beep.
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They had the white gloves and everything.
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They were doing it, they were doing it the right way.
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They were dancing around.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Doing mime work.
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Absolutely.
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So this interview ends when Alex is like, but he's just trying to get something out
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of this guy and he's answering his questions very politely.
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And then Alex is like, what do you think about the second amendment?
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And Colonel Weil, his response is, what I believe doesn't, like personally, doesn't
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really matter.
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I've got to go.
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Cause I think he got the sense that Alex was trying to like find some sort of gotcha thing
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or to like use some, use some of his words against him.
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And I think he realized like, I shouldn't have called into this show.
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This show is, this isn't operating from a good faith position.
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So he politely excuses himself, which of course Alex later characterizes as he was
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scared of answering my questions.
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Of course, of course.
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Which is what happens when you call into Alex's show.
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Just don't do it.
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Yeah.
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It's a trap.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Uh, so if I understand correctly, uh, Alex reached out to this base and Lieutenant Colonel,
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yeah, he's the one who like the PR person.
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Yeah.
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He's the one who handles.
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Yeah.
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So he calls in and he's just trying to calm everybody down.
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Uh, just being like, Hey, Nope, that wasn't our plan.
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We were just trying to make sure that people didn't go into what, Hey, may have been an
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active shooter zone.
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You know, it's entirely possible.
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We didn't know all the facts at the time, so we're just trying to provide some kind
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of support because the local police had like four guys.
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Well, even afterwards, like even if it's not an active shooter scene, you still need to
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keep people away from a place that they might be drawn to out of curiosity or something
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like that.
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It's still a crime scene, right?
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There's a lot of process or there might be people who, uh, I don't know.
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I don't know if the suspicion of like you deface the morgue or something like that.
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Uh, I don't know if that's a fear you have, but you do have to secure those perimeters
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and stuff like that.
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Cause even the bodies in the, at that immediate time are still, there's evidence and what
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have you.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That's I get the impulse, right?
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I don't personally have a problem necessarily with military personnel filling those roles,
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especially in stretched thin, uh, very rural areas where they don't have a large police
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forces.
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Right.
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But I also do see the other side where it's like any military doing anything domestically
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is inappropriate.
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Yeah.
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I kind of see that argument too.
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Alex is wrong.
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Who cares?
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I mean, if you're, if, if you're, if you're community, all they have is like boss hog
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and his two deputies.
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Yeah.
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It's like maybe, yeah, yeah.
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Maybe the just, just anybody with any kind of authority should just be like, Hey, don't
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go there.
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Hey, quit it.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Cause I, I see, I see the like principle argument, which is what sort of on Alex's side.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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But I also see the logistic argument, which is sort of more rational, I think.
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Yeah.
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The Alex's principle side relies on the idea of like, this is a slippery slope and if you
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allow this, then there'll be next, there'll be pulling over your car.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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Which I think is foolish, but at the same time, like, all right, whatever, whatever.
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A slippery slope argument is, especially in this regard, flimsy at best.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a huge fan of slippery slope arguments in general.
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But in this case, eh, let this one go, man.
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Come on, just let this one go.
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It seems, it seems soft.
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Um, so Jordan, March 11th, 2009 is a day that will live in infamy.
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Because W. Schu on head calls in?
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W. Schu on head calls in on the 12th.
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Oh.
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But, um, because on this episode, Alex Jones is going to do a guest spot on someone else's
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radio show during his own radio show.
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All right.
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All right.
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Quit.
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He leaves.
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He needs to quit.
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He leaves the show and plays a long commercial for the Obama deception.
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Of course.
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Then comes back.
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Yeah.
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When he comes back, he's furious about going on this radio show because they didn't treat
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him well.
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Howard Stern made fun of me.
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It's not Howard Stern.
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Okay.
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It's, uh, I don't even remember the name of the show.
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It's not a show I recognize, but it's, uh, it's a thing where apparently the host of
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that show, uh, not a fan of treating Alex with respect.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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I like that.
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That's ironic that Alex gets a taste of his own medicine on the same show.
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It is weird.
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That is fun.
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I haven't listened to that interview or anything, but Alex comes back and he's a little bit
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peeved about that experience, but all of that is washed away because he has received a secret
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document.
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Okay.
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Someone from the Missouri Highway Patrol has gotten in touch with him.
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The Department of Transportation is on the roads.
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And on their computers, sending Alex Jones a secret document, uh, that I regret to inform
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you is a real document.
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Oh no.
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But this gets very weird.
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We are back live for the next 52 minutes.
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We have the top trends forecaster in the world.
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That's what USA Today and CNN, Fox have called him.
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Incredible predictions.
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He's a big part of the Obama deception that comes out in the next few days at prisonplanet.tv.
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You can order the DVD right now at mfullwars.com.
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You need to mail Gerald Cilente one of those.
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But this just broke.
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I just showed you the earlier terror training manual saying those that talk about the Constitution
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are terrorists and are a danger to police, those that are in Second Amendment groups.
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Here is the MIAC strategic report.
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And this is 2209, the modern militia movement.
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And they mix in here people that believe there's nine FEMA regions, people that believe there's
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a Napa super highway, and they show the official Napa super highway map the government put
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out doesn't exist.
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Those that don't want RFID chips being planted with them.
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And they mix it in then with white supremacist and others.
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And they say, we want you to understand the terrorist symbols.
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It's don't tread on me flag of the founding fathers.
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Can I have a close shot, guys, please?
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Instead of that shot?
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Can I have this?
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Thanks.
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You know, the flag of the founding fathers, all of it.
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We're going to go over this.
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This is amazing.
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So he does go over it a little bit.
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But this is what Alex will in the future call the MIAC report.
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It's a very, very big piece of his mythology.
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Yeah.
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This is a gigantic, gigantic piece of all of his arguments about how the government
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is trying to target people like him.
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And it is the stupidest argument possible.
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All right.
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We're going to go over all of it much like Alex says.
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He's going to go over all of it.
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He doesn't.
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But we'll go over all of it.
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But there's something that's very interesting here.
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In history, when Alex has talked about like secret stuff and people contacting him, he
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never really gets into specifics.
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He never talks about the names of documents.
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He just says, we have white papers.
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We got the secret documents.
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This is one of the only instances that I can think of where he's saying the name of the
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report, which leads me to believe it might be one of the only instances of people actually
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sending him something.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Now, the thing that's further very interesting about this is this is March 11th.
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Someone has sent this to him and he's going on air and reporting it.
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It has been public since 2004.
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No.
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Oh.
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It was written in February, but it was confidential for, you know, law enforcement use his own
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way.
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Uh huh.
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It's released by WikiLeaks two days later.
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Two days later, WikiLeaks has a copy of it and they release it.
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Really?
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When Alex has already released it on Info Wars.
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What?
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I can find.
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That's fucking crazy.
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I can find no instances of anybody publishing this before Alex.
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What?
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It's one of the only times that I'm firmly convinced that Alex got a scoop.
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He got a scoop.
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Alex got a scoop.
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Yeah, it's weird.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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Now, I don't know if that means that at the same time that someone sent it to Alex, they
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also sent it to WikiLeaks and WikiLeaks had a longer process of due diligence, trying
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to confirm the providence of it.
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Right.
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But I don't know what to make of this.
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I really don't know what to do with it because Alex is almost always lying about everything
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and over inflating himself.
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Yeah.
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This might be one instance where he was ahead of the game.
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Jesus.
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Now, he lies about the document itself.
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Well, yeah, of course.
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As you've already seen in that clip.
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Well, he didn't actually read it.
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The way he's describing it, it's only eight pages, man.
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That's what finds me out.
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It's so short.
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So the thing that...
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I'll give you a little bit of a primer on this MIAC report because you can find it and
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it's only eight pages.
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Not that hard to read.
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Okay.
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So what it is is the law enforcement community came together and they put out these reports
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from time to time just about things that should be on law enforcement's radar.
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Yeah.
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And this one is about the modern militia movement.
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Yeah.
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It's called the Modern Militia Movement.
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It goes into...
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It starts by discussing the roots of the militia movement in America, which started in the
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1980s and peaked in 1996, but is seeing a resurgence in 2009, which they very astutely...
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Connected to a black man being elected president?
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You betcha.
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Oh, who would have guessed?
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Now, here's a really fun thing from the second paragraph of this study or this article or
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whatever you want to call it, this paper.
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Yeah.
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They're really perceptive.
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Yeah.
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Reading this and knowing what we know now, nine years later, it's like, oh, man, this
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really bums me out.
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Some people saw this coming.
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Oh, yeah.
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Some people saw like the alt-right and all of these white nationalist sort of bubblings
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coming.
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So here from the second paragraph, quote, academics contend that female and minority
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empowerment in the 1970s and 1960s caused a blow to white males' sense of empowerment.
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This combined with the...
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Egos.
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Yep.
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This combined with a sense of defeat from the Vietnam War, increased levels of immigration
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and unemployment spawned a paramilitary culture.
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This caught on in the 1980s with injects such as Tom Clancy novels, Soldier of Fortune magazine,
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and movies such as Rambo that glorified combat.
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This culture glorified white males and portrayed them as morally upright heroes who were mentally
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and physically tough.
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Proud boys.
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There is a lot to that.
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It goes on to discuss how during this time frame, many individuals and organizations
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began to concoct conspiracy theories to explain their misfortunes.
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These theories varied but almost always involved the globalist dictatorship, the New World
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Order, which conspired to exploit the working class citizens.
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United Nations troops were thought to already be operating in the United States and
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support of the New World Order.
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Much of this rhetoric would become anti-Semitic, claiming that the Jews controlled the monetary
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system and media, and in turn, the Zionist-occupied government.
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The militia of Montana became a key organization in pushing right-wing rhetoric and informing
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individuals of how to form militia organizations.
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So this is all just descriptive and bad news, accurate.
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They discuss how in the 90s, the early 90s, incidents like Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the
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Oklahoma City bombing were firmly catalyzing events for that community.
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And it led to radicalization and it led to a resurgence of different militia organizations
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and increased militia activity.
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It goes on to list tons and tons of reasons why people should be pretty afraid about this
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trend, such as, November 9th, 1995, Oklahoma constitutional militia members are arrested
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as they plan to bomb the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars, and abortion clinics.
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Good work, guys.
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Way to go.
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December 18th, 1995, a drum of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is found behind the IRS building
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in Reno, Nevada.
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The device failed to explode.
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An anti-government tax protester is later arrested for the incident.
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January 18th, 1996, a member of the Aryan Republican Army is arrested in Ohio after
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a shootout with the FBI.
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The ARA was also associated with 22 bank robberies between 1994 and 1996.
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So, I mean, it just goes on and on.
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There, July 27th, 1996, a bomb is detonated at the Atlanta Olympic Park, killing one person
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and injuring 100.
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Eric Robert Rudolph is later arrested and linked to other bombings at abortion clinics
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and a gay bar.
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October 11th, 1996, seven members of the Mountaineer Militia were arrested for plotting to blow
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up the FBI fingerprint record center in West Virginia.
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You know, you get the sense, you see all these, you know, they're not trying to paint an unfair
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picture in this report.
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So suffice it to say, this is a descriptor of the movement in the 90s and then the resurgence
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that they're seeing here, where you see incidents like on June 29th, 2007, six members of the
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Alabama Free Militia are arrested on weapons and explosive charges.
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An ATF agent will go on to testify that five of the men were planning to an attack on Mexicans
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in a town near Birmingham.
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So there's incidents like this.
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All of these fringe militia groups existing.
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Any time other people advance, white dudes go fucking batshit.
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White dudes are fucking crazy, man.
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Yeah.
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What do we got to, what are they doing?
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What is your thought process where you're like, oh, man,
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these people are, I don't know, equals or at least getting towards it.
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So I better get a gun and blow shit up.
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Yeah.
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That is childish.
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It is.
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And then so what Alex is talking about there, about the idea that they're, you know, they're
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tying in these like the North American Union and, you know, this map and all this, what
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they do is they explain commonalities that they found from studying militias and they
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point out that a number of them are motivated by certain things.
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They don't say that believing there's a North American Union means that you're a part of
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a violent militia.
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They're saying that a lot of these militias also have this belief.
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Right.
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That's a very important distinction.
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Right.
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If you read this and you know how to read, you will see just that.
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That these are these are things that militias that carry out attacks like described in the
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beginning of this report, they may hold these beliefs, not that holding these beliefs makes
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you suspected to be a member of one of those groups.
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Right, right, right.
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This is a very it's very, very important.
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It's the it's the you know, if you see smoke, sometimes there's a fire.
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Sometimes somebody's just grilling them.
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True.
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You know?
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Yes.
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So Alex believes that what they're doing is trying to teach the police to accept guilt
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by association.
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So that would be believing the opposite of what this report is expressing, because they
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aren't expressing that now they're expressing.
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Maybe they kind of should be, though.
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I don't I don't think maybe there is a little bit of guilt, but like Alex is a little bit
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guilty.
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I think that would be super irresponsible of them.
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Oh, no, absolutely.
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And I'm excited to read this report and not see that, because you could you could plausibly
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believe that.
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Like, yeah, if I like if you don't read the stuff that Alex says, like I could see a world
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where the law enforcement put out a report that was like, hey, a lot of these dickholes
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believe this.
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So if you see someone who believes this, they probably one of those dickholes.
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Yeah, like, oh, man, like how they treat black people.
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Right.
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It's not like that at all.
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It's even when they're criticizing modern militia groups, they're treating white people
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with more respect.
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It's very even handed.
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Oh, my God.
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This is awful.
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Yeah.
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And so, Alex, he gets into his ideas about this guilt by association and then brings
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in another piece of his his argument that is bogus.
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So they're teaching police as the New York Times, The Washington Post announced world
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government, a Bank of the World Newsweek time, you know, headlines like in the Times of
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London and now for world government, where they say we kept it secret for your own good
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in in this training manual, the police everywhere in the country.
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It has a don't tread on me flag.
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It shows American freedom to fascism in the film Zeitgeist in it.
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We just showed that and shows it next to the Turner Diaries, which was a white supremacist
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thing about killing police.
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So see how they do guilt by association at the last point that they make in the Mayak
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report is there are commonalities in the media that are digested by these militias.
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Yeah.
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And Zeitgeist, Aaron Russo's film Freedom to Fascism and the Turner Diaries are just
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three examples that they list.
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That's weird because those were actually they were actually referencing Ted Turner's
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Diaries, which is all about bison.
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Yeah. Also, Alex is an interesting dude.
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Alex goes on later to say that the Turner Diaries were planted on Timothy McVeigh.
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Sure.
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Which is ludicrous rewriting.
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Yeah, that's that doesn't seem necessary at all.
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So now, more importantly, just because it's a nice side road to go down, Alex brings up
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this Financial Times.
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He calls it the London Times, I think.
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Of course he does.
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But he always calls it the Financial Times of London, which whatever I'm not going to
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split hairs.
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Sure.
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So this article and now for world government, it's actually and now for a world government.
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Yeah.
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But he calls it now for world government because that's what Aaron Russo called it in his
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film America Freedom to Fascism.
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Of course, of course.
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Alex may not have actually read this, but it's a great title to make his argument.
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Yeah.
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And now for world government, it has the tone of someone introducing as the next act in
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a show, hey, and now, ladies and gentlemen, world government.
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Isn't it isn't it interesting that Aaron Aaron Russo's film from freedom to fascism got
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everything wrong and instead actually helped contribute to America going from freedom to
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fascism?
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It's very weird.
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That is that is almost like the title's ironic.
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to read to you a little bit here from this Financial Times article called
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and now for a world government, see if you think this is encouraging a world government.
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OK.
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Quote, I've never believed that there's a secret United Nations plot to take over the
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US.
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I've never seen black helicopters hovering over the sky above Montana.
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But for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government
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is possible, is plausible.
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So far.
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Yeah, I gotcha.
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Do you think do you think that this guy is saying that he's announcing world government
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openly?
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No, I think from the way he's phrased that, what he's saying is that for a long time,
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I thought people who did this were crazy.
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And now I'm starting to think maybe they had the smallest kernel of a point.
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Well, he goes on to say he goes on to explain why he believes that the formation of a world
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government is plausible now, which he didn't believe before.
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Right.
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First point he makes is that the issues that are facing the world are international in
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nature.
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Things like terrorism, global warming or climate change and the financial markets.
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Yeah, exactly.
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All working in concert and they don't give a fuck about borders.
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Right.
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So the idea that the problems that we face as we move into the future being international,
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it would make sense that we have some sort of an international body.
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It's really hard to regulate a business that functions all over the world.
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Look at Google.
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Sure.
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How do you regulate Google when Google is kowtowing to China censorship, you know?
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It's hard without a world governing body.
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It seems like it.
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So then the second point that he makes is that he believes it's plausible because now
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it could be done.
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Whereas in the past, we lacked the communication and transportation technology that would be
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required to make the world accessible to everybody.
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The telegraph was not necessarily a great way to create a world government.
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Right.
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So that's the second point.
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It's logistically possible.
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Yeah.
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His third point is all those problems, the terrorism, climate change, world markets,
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those are all problems or issues that in order for us to navigate them successfully require
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all of us to work together.
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Yeah.
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So the solutions to the problems that are international in nature are also international
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in nature.
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Nationalistic countries that are out for America first or China first, they're not going to
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be able to solve these integrated problems.
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Dan, America solved terrorism.
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Sure.
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We have spent so many years just solving terrorism and we're doing great.
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And we nailed it.
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We nailed it.
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So those are the three reasons.
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We absolutely didn't create an environment that grew far more terrorism than it stopped
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by a million times.
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That would be crazy.
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Ludicrous.
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America first.
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So those are the three reasons that he gives for thinking that it's plausible now, whereas
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he didn't before.
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Yeah.
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He goes on to talk about how like Obama now coming into office, it seems like he is someone
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who is much more interested in international cooperation.
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He goes on to bring up this thing, the Managing Global Insecurity Project.
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That's actually about white men.
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Could be.
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They're very globally insecure.
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John Podesta was on the advisory board of this group and they were pushing for UN working
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on counterterrorism.
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They're working for a legally binding climate change agreement and working to strengthen
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the UN peacekeeping forces.
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Yeah.
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So he's using that as kind of like, OK, Obama is associated with John Podesta.
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He is someone who is into working with the UN to strengthen their positions.
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Well, maybe these are indications that the world is becoming more amenable to that.
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But if you actually read the article.
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Oh, is there a but coming at the end of this?
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If you read the article, I will quote.
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But let's not get carried away.
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While it seems feasible that some sort of world government might emerge over the next
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century, any push for global governance in the here and now would be painful and a slow
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process.
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There are good and bad reasons for this.
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The bad reason is the lack of will and determination on the part of national political leaders
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who, while they might like to talk about a planet in peril, are ultimately still much
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more focused on their next election at home.
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12 years left before we die, Dan.
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But this problem also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance
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will be slow sledding.
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Even in the EU, the heartland of law-based international government, the idea remains
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unpopular.
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That's just he's being very blunt.
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Yeah, it turns out people aren't that interested.
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What what this was, what, 2009?
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Yeah, this is like probably end of 2008.
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So yeah, even in the EU, global governance is an unpopular idea.
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And how many years later before Brexit, Catalan thinking about creating its own country, Italy
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thinking about getting out of the EU, all of these different places, they are not creating
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a global government, are they?
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No, no, no.
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No, they're actually actively tearing down even the slightest co-operational government.
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Yeah, this and now for a world government article ends with, quote, the world's most
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pressing political problems may indeed be international in nature, but the average citizen's
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political identity remains stubbornly local.
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Until someone cracks this problem, that plan for a world government may have to stay locked
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away in a safe at the UN.
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Yeah.
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So even in this article, if you actually read it, just because the title is and now for
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a world government, it's not announcing a world government in the way that Alex thinks
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it is.
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So he likes to play this game where he's like, I'm reading between the lines.
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This author is really saying that the world government is here, but maybe the text says
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it isn't.
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But if you look into the author, he has been very critical of world government.
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In fact, he was against, I believe it was in 2001, he argued publicly and passionately
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against the idea of the UK taking on the euro as one of its currencies.
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He is against all this shit.
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Yeah, because his name is Aaron Russo.
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It's not.
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It's Gideon Rachman.
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But it's like, you know, you can't use that argument.
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This author clearly doesn't have some subversive pro-world government opinion.
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And his article is, huh, you know, the trend in the world seems to be heading in the direction
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that this is plausible.
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But unfortunately, unfortunately, because the problems that we face are international
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in nature and people aren't interested in that, that's not going to happen.
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Yeah.
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His article says it's not going to happen.
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So anyway, that's just a little slight turn in the road.
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It is, it is an interesting thing to look back on now as he's describing these global
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problems and how many, if not all of our politicians are far more interested in themselves getting
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elected again.
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When we look at an international coalition of scientists saying like, hey, within 12
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years, if we don't take action, we're literally fucked.
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And everybody who read that report, everybody, and I, when you read it, I assume, or maybe,
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did you read it?
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I read parts.
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Yeah.
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Okay, I have too much Alex to focus on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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When you look at that, though, my first thought was, we're fucked.
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It was not like, oh, there's a chance that we're all going to work together now.
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I was immediately like, we're fucked.
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It's like you got three more elections.
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Yeah.
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What should have been the conclusion of that article is not we should all come together
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and deal with climate change.
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It's that somebody needs to work on geoengineering real quick.
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Abandon this hole.
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We need to cut down on carbon emissions because that shit ain't going to happen.
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Sure.
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So somebody got to figure out another way to go and solve this problem.
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Maybe some enterprising young, not full of shit, Elon Musk is working on that as we speak.
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Yeah, well, let's hope.
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So Alex is dumb, all that's dumb.
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All that's dumb, and he said earlier that Gerald Cilenti is the world's top trends forecaster.
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He just forecast trends better than anybody.
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Yeah.
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Here's a trend he's forecasting.
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Let's see if this one came true.
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Bell bottoms?
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And we're going to start seeing riots in major cities that rival, way surpass actually,
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those that we saw back in the 1960s when cities were being burnt down.
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You're going to start seeing the same thing happen in the United States.
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We're forecasting by this summer.
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And we're saying to people, you better prepare.
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The summer of rage, baby.
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Exactly.
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The summer of rage is a coming back.
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We all remember how many US cities burned to the ground in the summer of,
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would that be, I guess, 2009?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nope.
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Also, I really hate sleepy Cilenti.
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I hate it.
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Yeah.
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I like high register Cilenti.
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What we're going to see in the coming future is a lot of riots in the cities.
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You can't trust people who live in cities, Dan.
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There are all kinds of people there.
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I like it when he's excited.
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So he's doing his bullshit.
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Alex is still sort of preoccupied by this MIAC report that's been delivered to him.
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And again, we have much more to discuss vis-a-vis his response to it.
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But he hasn't actually read it yet.
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Of course not.
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Because he just got it and now he's on air still.
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He's still dealing with that bad interview that he did.
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Yeah.
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And so he just decides to announce that he's right about everything.
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Okay.
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This is unclassified law enforcement sensitive.
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And they say, we'll go after anybody that covers this.
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This is the First Amendment.
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This is America.
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This is what the police and military are being trained in.
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It says here, North American Union conspiracy theorists claim the union would link Canada,
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the United States, and Mexico.
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The NAU would unify its monetary system and trade the dollar for the Amero.
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Associate of the theory is concerned over Napa Superhighway, which would fast track
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between the three nations.
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And it goes on to mix it in with white supremacist.
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It has nothing.
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Well, there's the Wall Street Journal market watch.
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How realistic is a North American currency?
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It says uniting US, Canada, Mexico.
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Money could result from crisis.
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And then they admit what we read out of the Robert Pastor CFR public documents.
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Judicial watch sued.
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And, uh, this is put out by Simon and Schuster in books.
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Now, Jerome Corsi, you guys look like fools.
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You look like a fool.
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Yeah.
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His proof is a book that fucking Jerome Corsi wrote that you got to do better.
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And then his other proof that it's not crazy that the North American Union is being put
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together is this article, uh, is how realistic is a, uh, North American currency here from
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January 28th, 2009, written by a guy named Todd Harrison.
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And again, this is an instance of an article with a title that does not represent the content
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of the, the body of the article.
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It's clickbaity.
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He's talking about the idea that like, uh, you know, there is a financial crisis that's
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going on.
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An idea is combining the three countries because there are natural resources to be used in
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Canada.
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There's ingenuity in quotes with America and there's cheap labor in Mexico.
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So the three coming together as one unit might be competitive on a global level.
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So he discusses that possibility, gets into, uh, some ideas.
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And then if you look at the end of this article, once again, quote, this particular path isn't
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something one would wish for, but the cumulative imbalances that steadily built our finance
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based economy must be resolved one way or another.
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Therein lies the critical crossroads we together face as our wary world attempts to find its
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way. Scary?
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Yes.
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Probable?
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Not so much, at least for the time being.
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Possible?
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Certainly.
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Although all again offer that it could take years before the pieces of this prickly puzzle
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fall into place.
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Effective money management dictates weighing the entire probability spectrum of potential
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outcomes and factoring them into our decision making process.
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While the notion of a seismic currency shift may seem obscure, we must respect the possibility
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long before it becomes front page news.
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So he's saying again, probable?
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Not so much.
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This is a possibility.
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It's way far off in the future if it even happens.
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But because effective money management dictates it, we need to discuss any possibility and
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talk about the ramifications of those things.
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So the article, how realistic is a North American union in one currency?
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Not.
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Not very.
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It's not very, not very likely.
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Yeah.
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So again, Alex is taking that and a Jerome Corsi book to try and prove that the North
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American union, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's fucking real.
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And he's doing that because the North American union and the NAFTA superhighway that we covered
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in our endgame coverage ad nauseum are listed in that Mayak document about conspiracies
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that people in these militias believe in.
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So Alex has to be like, that's not a conspiracy, that's totally real.
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Do you think he's, do you think Alex is a part of a militia?
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I can't answer that.
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I really have no idea.
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I don't know.
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I think that there's a very strong possibility that there are some, at least spiritual roots
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to some militias, but I don't think he would take the risk of being involved in an actual
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militia.
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No, no, no.
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But like, my feeling is that he's not personally in a militia, but he's like once removed.
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Like he has plenty of people he knows.
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I wouldn't be surprised if his family and militias or something like that.
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Which is probably why he takes this Mayak report so personally because he's like, they're
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describing all of the things that my buddies are.
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And all of the things that they describe as being like things that people in militia groups
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believe in.
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Red flags.
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They're all things that he believes in.
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Yeah.
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So it's not that like this report, even in, if you look at the entirety of it and you
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say, oh, I, all of this describes me to a T, that's still not saying that you are a
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member of one of those militias.
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Right.
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Or that even you should be suspected of being a member of one of those militias.
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They are saying that people in those militias believe these sorts of things.
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They use this sort of iconography and believe these conspiracy theories.
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It's a trend among that group.
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Here's what I would say.
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It's this simple.
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It's saying that if, it's saying that many members of group X like thing Y.
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Yeah.
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It's not saying if you like thing Y, then you are a member of group X.
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Right.
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That is a transversing of the inference and you can't do that.
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That one does not follow from the other.
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It's like saying many people who are neo-Nazis like to wear leather jackets.
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If you're wearing a leather jacket, then you are probably a neo-Nazi.
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It's the exact same sort of logic and it just doesn't work.
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Yeah.
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When you flip it, it doesn't work.
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But you have to understand logic in order to, actually you don't even have to understand
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logic.
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You have to just not be a fucking idiot.
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It's reading comprehension and basic reasoning.
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That's all it is.
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And Alex lacks those things.
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And so he comes on air and is reporting this thing as like, they're calling us all terrorists.
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I knew it.
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And so we get to the 12th now and we find ourselves meeting up with a sleepy Alex.
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One thing that's so, so important there is that Alex finds it incredibly offensive whenever
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it is done to him and his white supremacist buddies.
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But every Muslim is a radical Muslim terrorist.
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Oh, sure.
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Well, I guess he's not quite on that tip yet.
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Awful close.
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He will be.
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But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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Right now in 2009.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's what I meant.
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Now he absolutely is.
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100%.
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Yeah.
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If he saw some sort of like a document somehow portraying, you know, like, oh, radical Muslim
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groups all use this or many of them use this iconography and stuff like that.
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He'd be like, thank God someone's putting out warnings.
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Yeah.
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I mean, on an elementary level, it's so stupid.
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Yeah.
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Because even I'm on the left, I'm a left leaning person.
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If I saw like a police report, some sort of law enforcement report that was like many
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terrorist groups on the left use this sign, many of them believe in this.
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I wouldn't be really self-conscious if I also believed that thing.
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Yeah.
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I wouldn't.
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I wouldn't think that they were talking about me.
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Right.
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Because I understand.
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Who cares?
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Yeah.
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So now we're on the 12th.
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Alex is tired.
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He's real tired.
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He is tired.
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He wants to complain about it.
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It's tough.
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There's a reason he's tired.
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Life is hard reason.
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Boy, I tell you no rest for the wicked, even though I'm trying to be good, but a lot of
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radio and TV interviews right now in association with all of our work and doing this radio
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show four hours a day.
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And I sat in for a couple hours with Jason Bermas last night and oversaw the launch of
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the Obama deception.
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It is live, ladies and gentlemen, it is out.
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It is available right now at prison planet.tv.
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Obama deception's out.
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It's out.
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Get it.
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Get it.
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Get it while it's hot.
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It's so expensive.
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Buy eight DVDs and just start throwing them out of your car.
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Absolutely.
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And anybody who's near you.
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Mm hmm.
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It's free online, though.
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So without the fanfare that he probably would have loved, he comes on air and very groggily,
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he says, it's out.
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I put it out last night while I was on air with Jason Bermas.
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So go watch it.
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It's great.
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I don't know.
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It's out.
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Yeah, it's out.
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He did.
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Congratulations.
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He used all the tricks he could.
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He claimed the FBI was trying to stop him from putting it out.
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And now it's here.
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So Alex explains that, like, I don't even want you to pay me for this.
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All I need is to be able to cover the bandwidth and stuff.
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I'm just into getting the truth out there.
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Of course.
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But then he accidentally keeps talking and he kind of invalidates his own argument.
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You know, as long as I can pay for the bandwidth, I'd give it all out for free in the highest
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quality of the whole world.
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Because that's what I'm into.
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I'm not into broads.
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I'm not into I guess I am into broads.
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My wife, I guess I can't say I'm not in a fast car.
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They got a fast car.
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The point is, that's not what I worship.
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I'm not into big houses.
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I'm not into trinkets.
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I'm not into being worshiped.
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I'm not into people thinking I'm great.
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I'm into defeating criminals, defeating the new world order.
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He has a giant mansion and multiple boats and he loves it when people worship him.
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I have no idea why he just made all of the descriptors of himself.
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I'm not into broads.
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Wait, I'm into broads.
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Well, I'm into broads.
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I'm not into fast cars.
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Well, I got a fast car.
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I don't like big houses.
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Well, I got a big house.
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Uh, Alex.
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Yeah.
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You're not good at this.
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So that's really just fun to see him like waffly.
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But there's something-
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I really didn't need to do any of that.
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No.
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You did not need to.
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I'm not really into broads.
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Well, I gotta be honest.
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I think that that's a good introduction to what's about to happen because Alex gets like
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real fucked up about women.
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And I don't think that I've-
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In my listening to 2009, there is a lot of chauvinism.
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There's a lot of Alex as a variant to his male identity and all that shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I don't think I've heard stuff that is this overtly-
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Like, I had my jaw open, like, what?
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What are you saying?
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Was that also in the MIAC report?
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A massive amount of misogyny is another signifier of-
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Well, I mean, it's in the second paragraph.
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White males felt that they were losing their empowerment because of women and minorities.
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Yep.
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So yeah, it is a part of that.
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But, and that's part of the reason why I'm saying that fucking report is prescient as
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hell.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, I would say that Alex is shockingly close to understanding something.
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He's so close to understanding it that he couldn't be further away, if that makes sense.
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Okay.
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And these parents send their daughters off and get them apartments in foreign cities.
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This is a stray thought, but I'd also like to point out that Taken came out on January 30th,
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2009.
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Okay.
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All right, this is gonna color a lot of what's going on.
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Taken had just come out right before.
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I think Alex was late seeing it.
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So parents send their daughters all the time out to these foreign cities by themselves.
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By themselves.
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So let's start this over with the knowledge that Taken had just come out.
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And these parents send their daughters off and get them apartments in foreign cities,
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you know, in other states, and they don't get them firearms training.
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They don't give them a firearm.
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They don't even, you know, they give them maybe some little key chain.
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You'll always see scared women in a parking lot.
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You know, I'll go to the grocery store.
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I'll get home at 1030 at night.
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My wife goes out, we need orange juice and pancake mix and strawberries and blah, blah,
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blah.
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We go to the store and I go, sure.
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And I go to the, you know, HEB or whatever at midnight and I'll be pushing my little
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card out.
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There's always women and they get scared and they, you know, they jingle their keys.
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They'll usually have like some little, some little, you know, pointed thing on their keys
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and they, oh, you know, cause it's, there'll be like 15 cars in the parking lot.
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And of course your, your cars parked right by every time where the other lone woman's
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coming out.
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This is actually where I was thinking, like, this is the beginning of like a bad stand
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up bit, you know, like air in the parking lot.
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There's 15 cars.
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Of course you're next to the other one.
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Like, oh boy, this is, this is not going to go well.
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It's always never on the other side.
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Sometimes I'll just go to a coat machine and get a water and I see a woman walking out
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all just cause they're so paranoid, so scared.
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So out of their mind with fear.
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You're so close, you're so close.
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Much they're scared of people might have tattoos or might be black.
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I mean, I looked like, you know, whoa, a younger Archie bunker or something.
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Yeah, that's terrifying.
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You know, you're, you're, you're, you know, your average white schmo.
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Very unthreaded.
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And these women will be shaking and they'll get in their car real fast and slam the door
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and you're, you're there unloading the vegetables in the back of your car, looking at her like,
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okay lady, believe me.
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Whoa, you're so, you're so close.
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It's weird though.
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The women that aren't that attractive, they act even more paranoid and then you'll have
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some less close, whoa, foxy chick in the parking lot.
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And she's kind of smiling at you and everything.
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It's weird.
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But the issue here is that there's a mountain just ripped with fear.
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Back on our grip with just out of control fear.
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Got it.
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And I can't imagine having two daughters, what it would be like to raise them, to be
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cowardly, to raise them, to be weak, to raise them, to be victims, not my girls.
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They're going to be locked and loaded.
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Anybody busting their house, anybody gives them a problem.
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They're going to kill you.
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Ooh.
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Didn't stick the landing.
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Oh man.
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You might need a Bella Corolla after all.
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Man.
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Oh Jesus.
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Boy, that is, that is weird to listen to.
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That is gross.
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He just, he's almost there.
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And then he goes as far away as possible.
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Well, because the observations are there, but the empathy isn't.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Anyone could tell that women are afraid, but he's.
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He can't take that next step into asking himself why.
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Right.
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Or caring to understand.
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Yeah, exactly.
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The idea that women are often attacked in parking lots at midnight.
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Yeah.
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Like that's sort of, it's when you're alone in a parking lot and some strange person comes
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over, you probably expect at least some sort of unwelcome interaction or something, you
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know, that could turn bad if you turn them down.
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For sure.
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Like that sort of thing, I would dare say that most women have experienced something
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like that or know someone who has, who's told them about it.
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Yeah.
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So that, that is in most people's at least secondhand experience of life.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No, I was coming back from, uh, zanies one night at like, uh, it was the late show Saturday
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got out late.
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So I got, I didn't get back until like two 30 and I got off the train and I'm walking
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home and I always walk with my headphones in, I got my head down, not doing anything.
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I, uh, find myself like just looking up when I'm 10 feet behind this other woman walking
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by herself at night, she turned around, noticed me and screamed and I was like, fuck, no,
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you're right to do that, but that's not me this time.
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Oh no, that's not what I'm supposed to say.
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Shit.
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No, you're supposed to say is she should have been, had a gun.
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Yeah, no, it's like, of course this is a, this is a thing.
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This being harassed in the daytime is terrifying, let alone when you're by yourself at night
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and there's no one around to even witness.
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I'm a large man with a giant beard and I'm probably not super comfortable, uh, in a parking
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lot alone at midnight.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I thought, oh man, he just doesn't put that thing together where it's like, if all of
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these women are terrified, maybe there's a justified reason because all of the reason
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is that they don't have guns.
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He believes the reason is they were raised to be victims.
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Right.
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There's that too.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and he doesn't, he can't even put together that.
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And the reason he can't do that is because all of his fears are unjustified.
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Well, there's that, that is a piece of it.
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He only understands fear from an irrational standpoint.
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Well, and because his worldview necessitates creating victims of people.
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He has to be, it's so important for him to be on the side that is dominant in many ways.
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And so he can't empathize with the idea of the people who are dominated having a legitimate
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criticism against his side or his worldview.
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So he exists in this space where you, like I say, you can make the observation very easily,
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but then understanding and dealing with it is impossible.
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It's weird.
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It's fucking, it's so weird.
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And then because he's such a gross dude, he goes into the, like, it's always the ugly
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ones who are scared.
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The hot ones want to flirt with you.
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I really didn't want to engage with that because I just want him to get a brick thrown at his
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head.
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That's the only way he can experience the world.
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And I'm sure that that doesn't actually work in his like actual experience.
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I'm sure it's even more diluted because it's rooted in his idea of like the attractive
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woman flirt with me no matter where I am, no matter what time it is.
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I'm going to a hotel to do an interview and like eight different women are like, oh, I
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can't get my eyes off of you.
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Yeah.
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And then, and then we'd be remiss if we didn't point out the other underlying racism in there
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of the, I look like a young Archie Bunker.
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It's not like I have tattoos or God forbid I'm black.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Great work, dude.
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What like he spoke for a minute and a half there and just expressed rampant underlying
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racism, misogyny and disrespect, disregard for people and unwillingness to engage with
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people's subjective experience of the world.
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Yeah.
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That was incredibly disgusting.
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And he still has no idea why everybody hates him.
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Right.
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Or thinks that he's a disgusting person.
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Yeah. Zero ideas like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I'm not doing anything gross.
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Right.
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This next clip is even weirder.
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My women are domesticated, cowardly, weak people.
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Period.
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And you know what?
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I said that possessively.
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You're right.
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I'm a, I'm a male chauvinist pig.
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I'm possessive of my women and they like the fact they're my women.
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My grandma likes the fact she's my woman.
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My mother likes the fact that she's my woman, my dad's my dad.
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I'm possessive.
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I don't know how they take your survival instinct out of you and how they teach you.
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Feminism is being cowardly and scared and shaking with five locks on your door.
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Unempowered.
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Don't tell me what real feminism is.
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It's a woman with a submachine gun.
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It's a woman that if you go after, she's going to karate chop you in the neck.
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If you tackle her, she's going to bite you.
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She's going to scratch your eyes out.
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If she didn't get the draw, get the gun in your face.
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I mean, this is sick.
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They've turned the men into gelded, chicken necked, cowardly people.
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And they turned the women into chicken necked cowards.
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And we're not supposed to be like that.
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That's not who we are.
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Yuck.
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Yuck.
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Also, I would say that maybe another version of feminism is not tackling women.
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Men not doing shit like that is a nice way to respect women.
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That is such a just fucking disgusting.
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And that's the shit that's going on right now over and over and over again.
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The more these idiots talk about Kavanaugh.
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The more they talk about this, they're like, oh, they're just taking men's like they're
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just cutting our balls off.
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We're not what we're not allowed to dominate people anymore.
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Like just just turn it.
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Just turn it around for one second like they you're I'm able to consider the possibility
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of what you're saying and then dismiss it.
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And they are not able to consider the possibility of what anybody else is saying.
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Because their brains are so fucking warped.
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That's because you only believe that because you were cucked out and raised like a little
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weak victim baby.
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But no, I'm fine.
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A little victim baby living behind five door locks.
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I don't understand what it is that requires domination for you to feel like a man like
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that's that's some sort of like unevolved lizard brain bullshit where it's like I have
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to be able to murder somebody at any moment.
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It's such an expression of fear.
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Like the idea of needing that in order to feel secure or anything like that.
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That really does.
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And the idea that like you're not really empowered unless you have a submachine gun or you were
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willing to commit violence against people.
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Yeah, that's fucked up.
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Yeah, it's just an insecure, scared, childish position.
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And that's all he expresses.
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But we already know that.
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It's just it's gross to see it described that way.
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And like, yeah, these are my fucking women.
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Although I do love that he's like, my grandma is my woman.
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My mom is my woman.
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My dad.
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Whoops.
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He's my dad.
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They're my women.
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Because he's in the middle of ranting about his women.
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He doesn't understand.
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He's like, oh, got to turn this into just being possessive now because I accidentally
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said a dude.
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Oh, man, what a fucking moron.
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Yeah, he's pretty dumb.
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So now at this point, because it's the 12th, the next day, he's had the opportunity to
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read this Mayak report, I believe, probably.
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Anyway, he's also posted something about it on Infowars.com.
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And a lot of people are in the comments section saying, nah, nope.
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Right.
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They're disagreeing with him or saying that it's fake or whatever.
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And this pisses him off.
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People start commenting on the Infowars.com story.
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Oh, I don't believe this.
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I want this confirmed.
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Hey, jackasses.
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And I'm sorry to use that term, but you really need to get your head out of the sand.
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Call the phone number.
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We did.
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They've refused to come on.
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We have two senior state police officers names and they admit they issued this.
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It's confirmed.
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And we just wrote up the blurb, their names, what they told us is being sent to Paul Watson
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who's doing a story on it.
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So, yes, it's real.
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It's true.
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Ron Paul, libertarians, Bob Barr supporters, constitutional party supporters.
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You are terrorists that want to kill police is basically what this says.
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What about Bob?
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Ron Paul is basically a terrorist and yes, call the phone number on the thing for yourself
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before you start accusing me of lying.
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I am sick of your denial.
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Okay, you're lying.
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And the reason that he's lying is because he's misrepresenting what the report is.
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Yeah, even when he's, even when he's got evidence, he's still lying about it.
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Like for the first time, he can literally point to something and be like, I have a real document.
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I can spread information that you literally cannot get anywhere else right now.
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Yeah.
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And I am going to lie through my teeth about it.
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Yeah.
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So towards the end of the MIAC report, it says common malicious symbols.
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One of the sub headlines is political and anti-government rhetoric.
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Militia members most commonly associate with third party political groups.
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It's not uncommon for militia members to display constitutional party,
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campaign for liberty or libertarian material.
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These members are usually supporters of former presidential candidate Ron Paul,
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Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr.
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So they're just using that as an example.
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They're not saying, again, they're not saying that if you support Ron Paul,
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you're a member of one of these militias that they're talking about.
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Right.
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They're saying commonly members of these militias are supporters of Ron Paul.
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Right.
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This is really the sort of reasoning people in junior high should be capable of.
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You would think.
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This is ludicrous that Alex Jones is getting on air and suggesting to his very
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suggestible audience who don't like to read things that this report is saying
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that if you support Ron Paul, you're a terrorist and you want to kill cops.
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Right.
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Because it doesn't say that.
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Which.
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It doesn't say anything close to that.
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Which he is also by doing that, probably pushing more people to join these very militias.
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Oh, you bet.
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You bet.
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You bet.
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Because he's saying, well, see, look, the threat is real.
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So you need to join a militia, thereby making it even more obvious that that is a
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correct assessment.
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There is a certain amount of like Alex's own propaganda doesn't serve his best
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interest in this case or anyone's best interest.
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No, definitely not ours.
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So this next clip, he misunderstands the report even more and brings up some of his
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old rhetoric that I think is important to touch on for a second in order to bolster
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his misunderstanding of the Mayak report.
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We put this out with other FBI training manuals and FBI training flyers to police
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saying, look out for constitutionalist and those that make frequent references to the
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U.S. Constitution and gun owners.
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Then they say right next to that, you know, they want to kill cops.
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Look out.
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This is specifically talking about FBI reports about sovereign citizens.
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Yeah.
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This is not talking about Ron Paul supporters or patriots or anything like that or even
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people who just believe in the Constitution.
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It's about sovereign citizens and how their behavior is generally always bringing up the
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Constitution in ways that don't make sense.
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Right.
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That is something that is a threat to police because police have been attacked and killed
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by sovereign citizens who don't respect their authority during traffic stops.
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So Alex bringing that up is unrelated to the larger issue of what he's trying to cover
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with the Mayak report, but because it feels similar and Alex is kind of sympathetic to
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sovereign citizen shit, he brings it up in order to weave this tapestry that is it's
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just it's all bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Even if they're not violent, if somebody believes that the sheriff is the highest law in the
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land, be wary.
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Be wary.
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I think that there is a there's a like innocuous way that that belief can exist in someone.
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But I also just believing that the sheriff is the highest authority, whatever.
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Like if I believe that it would never affect my life.
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No.
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Because I don't have I don't.
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Because we don't have a sheriff.
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Well, I also don't run into law enforcement all that often.
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I have a privileged position in life where and I don't run into cops much or anything
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like that.
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I don't have to deal with the senators or anything.
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Yeah.
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So if I believed abstractly that the sheriff was the highest law in the land, I could just
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live my life believing that.
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The problem is.
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Yeah, but I would be wary of you.
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That's fair.
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The problem is that if you drive around and you don't have license plates or a driver's
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license, you're often going to be interacting with police.
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And if you don't believe that they have the authority to stop you because you don't have
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license plates on your car, then it's going to become an issue.
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That's much more problematic than just the possibly quirky belief in the sheriff, I guess.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, like I said, Alex is going to misrepresent my act a little more.
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Just totally made up, totally.
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And in this new document, it says there's also mainstream public groups that say they
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want state rights and that try to get involved in the community and say they want to work
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with police and sheriffs and say they want to work with the cities.
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And and then they're secretly violent cell groups.
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Look, just anybody involved in anything.
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You're a terrorist.
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So this is childish thinking once again in the report.
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Let me scroll to the right part of it, because I have I have the entire thing open here.
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They talk about the organization of a number of these militia groups that they've studied.
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And they say, quote, these organizations hold training events that are open to the public
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and generally recruit publicly.
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These groups desire to.
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By the way, I'm sorry, this is the sub headline public groups, which is a subcategory of these
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militias.
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Proud Boys!
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These groups desire to aid the county sheriff or governor in emergencies such as a natural
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disaster.
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It is not uncommon for these groups to be seen in public doing community service related
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work.
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Public groups are less likely to publicly push malicious rhetoric and have a traditional
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military style chain of command and leadership structure.
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These groups have been known to form underground units and provide training and guidance to
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new or forming organizations.
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These groups have been known to does not mean all of them do.
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That just means some of these groups do.
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Yeah, that is not saying that if you see a public group that is into the Constitution
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or Ron Paul, that doesn't mean that they're but the language here does not imply that
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you should then become suspicious that they also have underground cells.
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Yeah, the only way you can think that is if you're warping the text.
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It's it's pathetic.
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He should learn to read.
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So in the interim between the 11th and the 12th, Alex has released the Obama deception,
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but also he's had Rob do try and investigate this Mayak report.
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So Rob do comes on air.
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Oh, that's that must have been like a Three Stooges sketch.
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He had one job, and that was basically to confirm this and get some quotes from the
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Missouri Highway Patrol.
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And instead, he just wandered on and off screen and it was
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No, he has like a confirmation, I guess, that it's a real document from talking to the
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people at the Missouri Information Analysis Center, which is what my ex stands for.
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And so Rob do comes on to, you know, express what he's learned.
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And then we see what Alex's response to that is.
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And I called him.
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He's at the State Highway Patrol.
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And I want to see if he wanted to come on and talk about the Mayak strategic report
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and gave him the date.
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I said, we got this in.
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And if he's interested in coming on talking about it, we'd love to talk about it.
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No.
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And he confirmed that it was theirs.
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And it's he wanted to give me a quote in the beginning as well.
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This is what it is.
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And he says normal operation for officers.
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And that's his quote.
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And to receive these reports for a quote, safety purposes and to track trends or changes.
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And he said more, but that's what I wrote down.
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So that's all I want to say that he quoted, you know, no, no, no.
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It's okay.
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Let's not be neurotic about this.
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I'm not saying you.
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I mean, no, no.
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Come back and tell us.
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I know you're trying to write as fast as you could.
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You can paraphrase reporters do that, right?
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Basically what else he told you.
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We want all of it.
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I'm going to squeeze every drop of information out of you.
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Rob do prepare to be interrogated on air when we get back.
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Yikes.
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So this is exactly what Alex did when Rob do talk to his uncle who was allegedly investigating
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Sandy Hook.
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Sandy Hook.
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Yeah.
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This is what Alex does to Rob do back then.
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Rob is trying to be a reporter in 2009.
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He's unwilling or at least disinclined to just embellish and make stuff up.
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Yeah.
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And then on air, Alex is like, Rob, you're a fucking reporter.
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You don't have to have these standards.
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That's not what reporters do.
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Yeah.
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You can just say, what did you feel when you were talking to him?
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And Rob do is like, I don't know about that.
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I would Rob do Rob do literally was just like, uh, I didn't do a very good job.
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And Alex is like, that's great.
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Right.
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Continue doing a bad job.
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That's what I want from you.
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The part that's making you do a terrible job is your inability to just bluff.
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Yeah.
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Just just take the governor off and start fucking lying.
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Yeah.
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So they come back from commercial and Rob reiterates pretty much all the stuff he had
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already said, which is they confirmed that this was theirs.
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And it was for training, uh, and, uh, educational use in law enforcement.
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Uh, and, uh, here's what Alex, how he responds.
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Rob, I mean, I understand you scribbled notes.
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You were being specific with those, but no, tell us what else he said.
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Right.
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Well, uh, he, he went into, um, I'll go back over it again.
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He said, um, I'm just gonna, Alex, I said what he said, and now I'm going to continue
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saying what he said.
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I'm uncomfortable with the position you're putting me.
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I'm not there yet, Alex, I'm not ready to lie.
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I need to take a UCB level one class before I'm able to flow with your bullshit.
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Come on, man.
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Yeah.
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So it even Alex gets frustrated because Rob do just repeats the same innocuous information
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that he got from the phone call.
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And so this is how he responds.
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Now we already covered that.
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Anything else?
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That's pretty much it.
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It was a short conversation.
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They were, uh, you know, they were all very polite, but you know, they don't want to talk
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about it.
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They want to hide in the shadows.
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Give me a favor.
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Yeah.
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Go sit in your office for five minutes.
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Think if anything else was said.
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All right.
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Believe me, more was said.
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Think.
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No, no, no.
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I mean, this is how it always is.
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Remember, go back to the conversation.
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He's putting Rob in timeout.
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You put Rob to a timeout.
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Rob, Rob, go back.
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We're going to get the head of HR.
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My dad.
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To sit next to you and to teach you how to lie.
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Right.
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Get Buckley with a baseball bat.
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Yeah, just slapping it against his hand.
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Yeah.
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And the slapping it against his hand is like, Oh my God, that's an interesting beat.
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That's how he became a DJ.
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That's how he became a DJ.
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All the stories are coming together.
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Oh yeah.
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So Alex has put out the Obama deception.
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Oh, it's just, uh, it's super funny that he keeps trying to get robbed to lie and he just
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won't go for it.
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Yeah.
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It's not called the Rob do ception.
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And to see, uh, that be exactly the same as, like I said, with the, uh, his uncle situation,
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he kept just saying the quotes that he had written down.
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Alex kept trying to get him to lie.
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It's fascinating that he is such a bully.
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It's not that fast.
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No, it's not that very, very, absolutely right.
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A hundred percent.
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So, uh, like I said, he's released the Obama deception and they're getting some traffic
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from it on the YouTube channel, which is understandable.
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It's a, you know, a big documentary release.
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Alex has been teasing.
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It says the FBI is afraid of them putting it out.
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Um, but he ends up making a claim about his YouTube channel that I, there's literally
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no chance.
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This is true.
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And by the way, the Alex Jones channel, which was not the official Alex Jones channel, but
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we are at work with the guy that has it now and have kind of taken it over, but he's still
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running it.
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Dave doing a fabulous job.
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We appreciate all his work.
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Dave, shout out.
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It is now the number one YouTube channel.
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That can't be true.
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Number one.
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I mean, you can go to, um, I didn't know this till about 30 minutes ago, Paul Watson sent
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me the link and I, Paul posts that in the link or Nemo or somebody used to a blurb on
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it, but a number one YouTube channel, numero uno, numero uno.
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So that is very, very, very exciting.
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I don't know how exciting it is when you have that kind of a, uh, we're the number one
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channel.
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It's exciting.
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I am popped.
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I think we would be excited more.
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I would be laughing about it.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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But, um, I know ASMR hadn't really taken off yet in 2009.
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I'm still going to go out on a limb and say the Alex Jones channel wasn't number one.
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No, there are actually, like there's records on that stuff.
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I mean, but also you have to ask yourself, like, what does number one mean?
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Most subscribers, most views.
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What does it, you know, what does it mean?
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He's being so vague as to it not being anything you could possibly look up.
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He doesn't have the most subscribers.
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That is, uh, you know, that information's public.
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It was some kid who did skits in 2009 was the, uh, there's a number.
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It's like Fred or something like that.
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God damn it.
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I don't fucking know.
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Fuck you, Fred.
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I went and looked at all the list of like the, uh, people who had the number one subscriber
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account over time.
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And I'm like, I don't know any of these things.
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I missed out on a lot of internet culture.
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So that can't be it.
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Most downloads or views.
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That's absolutely not him either.
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That's not.
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The only thing I think is possible is because he's just released this documentary, The
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Obama Deception, it's possible that he's rising through the ranks.
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Yeah.
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Like maybe he got such-
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Most growth or whatever.
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Something like that.
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Trending.
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Yeah.
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Something along those lines, he's interpreting that as being the number one channel.
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And it's like, you're number one in, uh, Heat Seekers.
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Yeah.
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Or whatever that chart would be called.
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And he's saying that we're number one.
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You're not.
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Uh, but it would be exciting.
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It even could be like just some random ass blog was like, my number one YouTube channel
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is Alex Jones.
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And he's like, we're number one.
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I would believe that he would take that to mean that.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Then the other thing too is like, it's possible that he's number one in some sort of like
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sub category, like political channels.
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Liars.
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Number one.
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He's the number one liar.
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He's the number one liar's YouTube channel.
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Right.
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I always find that super funny.
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Like when I'm going through Amazon looking for books and stuff like that, like these
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crazy people like that Alex is associated with.
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Yeah.
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And you'll see like, uh, in the sub category of like, uh, uh, army survivalism, like the
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breakdown of all the subcategories, and then it's still like number 2045 got to do better
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there.
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Uh, who am I thinking of?
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Can't remember his name.
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Matt Bracken.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, uh, we have one last clip and it's almost superfluous, but it's all, I mean,
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it's just, it's almost a button.
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It's redundant at this point, but, uh, Alex is women aren't people.
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Nope.
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That would also be redundant for him to say, but this is about the Mayak report.
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And this is really the narrative that he is going to put forth, uh, in the future.
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And it's taken shape already here on March 12th and it's fully, fully inaccurate.
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Okay.
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The Mayak state police federally written report that Ron Paul supporters are all basically
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terrorists that want to kill police and that all libertarians are basically terrorists
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and anybody that doesn't like the new world order is a terrorist.
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It's confirmed.
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We've talked to the state police.
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We put out their names and info.
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We're going to add that to the articles and Paul's run another big one right now.
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So that's not, it's just not true.
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It's not true based on the report.
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And now that he's already put it out and that's his narrative, he's going to move forward
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with it to the point where I remember episodes and like the 2015 stuff we're talking about,
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uh, in the past, he's brought up the Mayak report.
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Yeah.
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It's a giant piece of his mythology and it's all bullshit.
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Yeah.
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It's all based on a childish rhetorical misunderstanding.
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It's entirely based on Alex not understanding the rules of inference and how language works.
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That's all it is.
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Just saying that most militia members that we have studied support individuals like Ron
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Paul does not equivalent.
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It's not the equivalent of saying if you like Ron Paul, you're probably a terrorist.
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Yeah.
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There is just like, this is why I talk about a lot, maybe much more in the past, but I
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still believe that the essential educational pieces for children has to be understanding
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of semantics.
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It has to be logic.
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Like those sorts of things have to be a part of every curriculum for every kid growing
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up.
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Because if you understand those things, you can't be tricked like this.
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You just can't.
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Like if you understand baseline linguistics logic, like not even advanced stuff, you don't
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even need predicate logic to get into this.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I don't even like you saying those words.
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But if you just understand very basic sentential logic, you can just go in and look at this
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and see like, oh, I see what they're saying.
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Oh, that's exactly the opposite of what Alex is saying.
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But I understand why Alex thinks that because he doesn't understand it.
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Yeah.
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It allows you to cut through the bullshit.
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You can parse the arguments, you can parse the sentences, and it's so easy to see like,
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oh, I wish I could just sit down and talk to you, Alex, and let you know why you're misunderstanding
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this.
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But then you take a step back and realize he doesn't care that he's misunderstanding
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this.
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He's probably doing it intentionally.
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Eh, I don't know if that's, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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This one kind of, this one kind of leans towards the dumb spectrum for me.
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Or defensive.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Even then, like, that's a misunderstanding of how law enforcement works.
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Yeah.
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No, the FBI at its most racist wasn't even like, all Black Panthers are violent terrorists.
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Yeah.
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It was just like, every Black Panther needs to be put in jail, but they're not all violent.
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Sure.
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They're like, they're, they're awful.
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But that's, that doesn't even make any fucking sense.
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It doesn't.
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Jesus.
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So I'm excited because I now, like I said earlier in the episode at the beginning, I
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am coming into the next episode when I listen to March 13th, expecting it's going to be
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all more Myak Report stuff.
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I bet it's not.
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I bet I'm wrong.
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I bet anything I own that it's something else super crazy that will blindside me.
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Yeah.
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Also, by the way, I didn't include this, but the last hour and a half of March 12th, 2009,
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Alex brings back onto the show, doctor, not doctor, Rebecca Carley.
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Oh no, to talk about how mental illness is a, yeah.
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No, no, no.
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It's about vaccines.
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Right.
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And about that avian flu bullshit narrative that we already covered.
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Great.
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Rebecca Carley, if you don't remember, is the doctor who years before 2009 had her license
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stripped because she was too delusional to be trusted to practice on public individuals
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and then became a hero of the anti-vax movement because that same delusion.
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Yeah.
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So congratulations, Alex.
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I like 2009 so much.
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So much fun.
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So much weird shit.
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I actually, stepping back now, I really don't think that I did a great job of explaining
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the MIAC report because quite honestly, I could have done it much briefer.
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I think I could have just said, it's a description of militia groups that the law enforcement
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had studied, commonalities, trends, things that they've noticed within it.
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Alex is misrepresenting it by trying to invert the logic and saying that these commonalities,
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these similarities, if you have those similarities about you, you are then a militia member.
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Yeah.
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I think it's that simple.
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I think I could have explained it in like two or three sentences.
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Anyway, it's nonsense.
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Especially because at this time and in the 80s and 90s, a lot of law enforcement infiltrated
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these militia groups.
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There are a lot of the times with a lot of these militia groups, there is a cop or so.
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Yeah.
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Just undercover, just monitoring, just like, hey, we know militia groups bomb places.
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Let's have a guy who's going to let us know if they're going to bomb someplace.
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Like a lot of the, whenever you talk about the, the, we stopped this militia group from
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blowing up Oklahoma City gay bars.
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Yeah.
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That's most likely because there was a guy in there providing information.
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Yeah.
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They didn't stop it on like, it wasn't like a cop was walking by and going like,
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hmm, I got a hunch something's going on over there.
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Like these guys have intel.
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And that is probably part of what the MIAC report is written on.
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All of these undercover guys sharing information about the different militia groups that they're
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in and it's, it's, that's why it's accurate.
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Yeah.
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And even then, like the, I'm sure the report is like the prescriptions they're in aren't
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like, hey, if you see a guy who is a sovereign citizen, you know, he's part of a militia
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group, but it's like, if you see a guy who's, who's doing all of this stuff, ask more questions.
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Well, you know, but that's the thing.
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It's not even prescriptive.
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It's entirely descriptive.
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Yeah.
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It's all just a study of these militia groups that they have.
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Like you said, I mean, I think that's perfectly put.
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They have a overabundance of information about these groups.
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Yeah.
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And that's why when you look at this, especially nine years later, there is so much that rings
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so true.
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Yeah.
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Like all of it is like, oh wow, you guys, you guys knew about this back then.
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Right.
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We should have done something about it.
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The best part though, is that those militia groups definitely have an infiltrated law
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enforcement.
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No.
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There's definitely no way that the law enforcement and the military are, I don't know, rife with
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white supremacists.
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That's crazy, Dan.
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It's a two-way street, dude.
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Here's the thing.
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What they describe in there is unfortunately also, this is what Alex doesn't want to wrestle
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with.
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It's true.
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Yeah.
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Like the idea that people in militias that are dangerous support Ron Paul is true.
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Yeah.
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Generally speaking, that is true.
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Yeah.
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The idea that a lot of them are into zeitgeist, the Turner diaries and anti-tax documentaries
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like Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism is also true.
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Anti-Semitism?
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True.
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Misogyny?
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True.
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Racism?
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True.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I bet they would never, I don't know, shut down a nature reserve or, ugh.
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Well, like nothing in here necessarily, nothing in this brings like descriptively false.
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No.
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It actually is very...
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It's dead on.
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It's more right on than you'd expect.
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And then Alex talks about like how it ties Ron Paul supporters in with white supremacists
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and it doesn't.
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No, Ron Paul himself ties Ron Paul supporters in with white supremacists.
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The part that they're talking about like militant anti-abortionists and white nationalists
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and Christian identity people, it very specifically says, members of the militia movement often
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subscribe to the ideology of other right-wing extremist movements such as, and then describes
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those.
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It's not...
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This really bothers me.
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Yeah.
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Because it's so elementary.
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It's so basic.
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If you...
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It's maddening because it's such a low bar.
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Understanding is...
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Dan, Dan, Dan, come on.
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It's a low bar that 40% of the country cannot cross.
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All right.
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I...
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Yep.
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12 years left, Dan.
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Anyway, in the next 12 years, you can go to our website.
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Absolutely.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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Hey, hold on.
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You're giving us a lot of credit.
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Sure.
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You think our website is going to be around in 12 years?
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Nah, nah, nah.
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We'll be dead long before then.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, until then...
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You can go to our website though, which is?
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Knowledgefight.com.
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We're on Twitter, at knowledge underscore fight.
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We're on Facebook.
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Correct.
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We also have our Facebook group.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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Tell other people.
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Feel free to vote in the documentary contest.
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That's up there on our Facebook group.
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Sure.
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Poll.
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Yeah.
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Also, please vote in the midterms.
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Sure.
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Do that.
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Definitely do that.
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Yep.
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But, you know, in 2009, Alex Jones is just a childish, reasoning, misogynist weirdo.
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There's also another thing about him.
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What's that?
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He killed a dude, probably.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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