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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around
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and drink a novelty beverages while talking about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Yeah, what's up?
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See, you get fancy at the beginnings and I always say the same thing,
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so I wanted to try and get creative with my lilting boys.
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Yeah, no, you were doing great.
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My roller coaster of affects.
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I wouldn't say that it's a good thing to like run with,
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but as far as the first shot in the dark, I think it's a blue sky thinking.
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Rude.
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There's no bad ideas.
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Okay.
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Maybe try falsetto the entire time.
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I may do that.
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Let's take it again from the top.
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Hello.
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See, perfect.
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Thank you.
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I think we just nailed it.
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So what's going on, man?
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Uh, I don't know.
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I think that bit preceded my bit, so I'm cool with it.
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You don't need to ask me a vague question.
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I don't need to ask you a vague question.
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Although I am starting to like the fact that every vague question I have, uh,
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it results in a long story from you.
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Longer than expected.
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I know.
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So you don't want to give it a shot?
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See if you can strike paper.
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Let's see.
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Dan?
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Dan?
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Yeah, there we go.
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When did you first try hot sauce?
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First try?
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Oh, that's an interesting question.
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Thank you.
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But I don't think I have a good answer for that.
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I mean, thank you again.
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I mean, I did it.
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I liked salsas growing up and what have you, sure.
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Not a hot sauce.
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I remember, uh, my friends had like Dave's Insanity sauce.
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And I would try that every now and again, but that's just gross.
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That's just like really disgusting heat.
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Never heard of Dave's Insanity sauce.
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It was like an old prank sauce kind of thing.
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It's a prank sauce?
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You trick someone into eating it.
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There's a prank sauce?
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A lot of hot sauces are basically just for pranks.
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Oh, okay.
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They're so bad tasting, but they're super hot.
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There's no way you would want to eat them.
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So, so they are the, uh, uh, like peanut brittle of, uh, uh, condiments.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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They're always filled with exploding snakes.
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Yes.
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Yes, absolutely.
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The can, the mixed nuts.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I don't know, man.
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Uh, probably within the last like four or five years or so is when I've gotten interested
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in like hotter hot sauce, certainly.
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But I've always had a taste for the spicy.
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I just, I just am fascinated by when we were in Austin and you spent God knows near an
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hour in the hot sauce store, just, just, uh, just tasting hot sauces.
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I find that, I find that interesting.
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Swing and a miss in terms of it turning into a story, but noble effort.
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I thought it was a great question.
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It's, it's not bad.
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And, uh, speaking of other things that are not bad, in fact, they are good.
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Great transition.
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Thanks.
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They are good.
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Uh, like to give a shout out to some new donors to the podcast.
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Like to say, first of all, thank you, John.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Johnny.
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Thank you very much, John.
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Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone else who has joined up with the team.
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Very thrilled to have this person on board.
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Thank you so much, Perla.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you much.
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Welcome aboard Perla.
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Also one, one last walk to welcome, welcome aboard on today's voyage.
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Say thank you so much and welcome aboard Andrew.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Andrew.
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You have joined our Dakotas as being one of the most numbered names that we have.
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I don't know about most, but there are some Andrews.
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And we welcome them all and appreciate them all.
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All Andrews are welcome, except for Andrew Wright, who I went to elementary school with.
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If you're that guy, fuck off.
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Or Andrew Breitbart, because you're dead and I know that your credit card doesn't work anymore.
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I don't know if that's true.
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I know he voted in the last election.
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Undoubtedly, 10 million illegals voted in his name.
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That's absolutely true.
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So Jordan, today, it's Wacky Wednesday.
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What?
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It's Wacky Wednesday?
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It is.
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So that means one thing and one thing only.
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We are taking a little break from Alex Jones conversation to dive into one of our other side
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worlds.
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I'm betting we're going into Jim Baker today.
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We are not.
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Oh shit.
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Doing Project Camelot.
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Really?
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Here's the reason why.
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Carrie has been going buck wild putting out stuff.
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Oh, okay, good.
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She's been putting out a lot of content lately.
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Whereas before it was a little bit of a dry spell.
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She wasn't putting out a whole lot.
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That's what I was saying.
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We had only had like a first stretch there.
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We'd only done one Project Camelot in like three or four weeks.
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So I just assumed that she didn't put out enough high quality content for us to take
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it down.
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She wasn't for a while.
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And then now she's sort of back to fighting shape.
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She's back in form.
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In mid-season form, as it were.
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Right, all right, good.
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And she is swinging for the fences and it's great.
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Also, there's something that's going to come up on this episode that I think is one of
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the fucking funniest things I've ever heard in my life.
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So it necessitates us talking about this.
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Gotcha.
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But also at the same time, the reason that we haven't been going back to Jim Baker
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so much is almost I think we've dealt with him.
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We did kind of nail it.
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I've listened to a bunch more episodes and it's so much crass salesmanship.
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Yeah.
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It's so pathetic.
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I've listened to him and I'm like, how would we talk about this?
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It'd be exactly the same thing as a bunch of the other episodes.
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Yeah, but he's not always wearing a tuxedo.
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So that's true.
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Yeah, but I like a banquet bucket, but sometimes you just need a regular bucket.
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But I do reserve the right to, if he has someone else on, like Apollo White Kane or something
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like that.
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Oh yeah, no, she should be hit by a car.
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Then it's worth getting back into and dissecting the sort of intersection of his doomsday faith
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buckets and politics.
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Yeah.
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Like I think that's worthwhile, but he's not doing as much of that in the episodes that
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I've watched and I don't want to waste hours and hours of my time like fishing in this
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dry well of Jim Baker.
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It's a waste of my time.
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I think, but everybody wants you to do that.
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Right.
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That's fair.
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People do want me to be pissed off.
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That is sort of part of the charm of the show.
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That is a little bit of the show is everybody wants you to torture yourself so we don't
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have to.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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Then also the other thing too is I want to expand the sort of bullpen.
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The roster.
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Of non-Alex Jones stuff.
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And so in the future, one of the things that we are going to do, you and I have discussed
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this off air.
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I might as well let people know.
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I think we're going to talk a bit more about Joe Rogan in the future.
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Yeah.
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I think we're going to dive into a little bit of his catalog and go through some of
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that stuff.
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But that's pretty intensive.
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And so I'm not ready to do that today.
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And thus we talk about Project Camelot.
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And like I said, one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen in my life.
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Yeah, we talked about maybe doing an episode with Jordan Peterson on it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I actually think that's not worthwhile.
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Not as worthwhile.
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I think a lot of people are doing takedowns of Jordan Peterson and God bless him for it.
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Yeah.
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You know, I don't know if we need to recreate other people's work that's already been
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done.
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But I think that there's a story going on with Joe Rogan's path towards his alt-right
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Nazi adjacent behavior that is not being told.
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I think that there is a path that is interesting that I found through analyzing his guest list
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that I think is worth getting into.
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And I hope we can do that in the very near future.
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And look, I'm not saying that it's contingent upon this.
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But if you want to support the show, it helps a lot towards us making these goals that we
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have a reality, towards making the work that needs to be done easier to do.
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So if you would like to support the show like these policy wonks we've shouted out today
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and every day in the past, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click support
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the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Perfect.
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So Jordan, today it is time for Project Camelot.
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Yes.
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Here is an out of context drop from today's show.
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I have remote view of the moon, actually.
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OK.
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All right, Carrie.
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Can't you just regular view it?
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Nope.
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You can just look up.
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She's got a remote view of that moon.
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What does that even mean?
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She's gone to bed and dreamt of the moon.
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But if you're remote viewing, does that mean she's stood on the moon?
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She has the experience of her astral body being on the moon, I guess, or something like
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that.
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It's not that interesting, though.
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I would assume it's not.
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But turns out it fucking is.
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OK, well then now I'm in.
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That is going to be a theme on today's episode.
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How interesting is the moon?
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That is a game show that would last exactly three episodes.
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So Jordan, today's episode, it starts unlike any other episode of Project Camelot I've
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ever heard in that I don't know why Carrie didn't just say, I'll start half an hour later.
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Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy.
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And it turns out Eddie Page is a giant racist.
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And I apologize.
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Is that how it starts?
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Hi, everyone.
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I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
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And very happy to be here tonight.
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But unfortunately, my guest, Bruce Seestal, I think he didn't get my message sort of scheduling
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him for an agreed upon time.
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So I texted him over on his channel where he just posted a video.
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Don't need to have this conversation on air.
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Maybe he'll see my comment under that video, reminding him and trying to see.
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She commented on a video?
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We got our wires crossed as to the time when he was going to come on the show.
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All right, so so if I understand correctly, we got a no show.
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If I understand correctly.
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Yeah, this guy was supposed to be on the show.
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Bruce Seestal.
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Bruce Seestal.
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Oh, I thought his name was like Bruce Seestal.
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I thought it was Bruce Seestal.
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It's as if his vision is everything.
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He sees everything.
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He sees all.
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Yes.
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Bruce Omniscient.
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His name is Bruce Swartz, I believe.
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OK, yeah.
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So she messaged him right through whatever messaging app.
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He did not respond.
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Turns out he was live streaming at the time or uploading a video or so.
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She commented on the video.
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Hey, remember how you were going to do my show at this exact moment right now?
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Yeah.
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And so she still went on air?
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See, that's the part that's confusing to me is like you can just not do it.
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You just not do the show.
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Like, does she have a live streaming time?
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Is she like we live stream at 5 p.m.
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From everything I can tell.
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No, it's pretty it's pretty inconsistent because she'll do like three or four in a
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week and then none in a week.
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OK.
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You know, so it's not like same bat time, same bat channel.
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You know, it's not like that.
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Right, right, right.
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But I admire it.
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So she went on air just to cuck him out for not showing up on.
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Somewhat.
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And I look I'm confused by why you don't just say, hey, I didn't show up.
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I got the night off.
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But I also like I'm saying, I admire the hustle.
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I admire the like, no, we are doing the show.
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He was supposed to be here just because he's not here.
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Doesn't mean we're not going to do the fucking show.
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Damn shit.
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This is show business.
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Absolutely.
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It isn't show a hobby.
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Show business, not show beeswax.
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Hey, how you doing?
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So beeswax sees all actually.
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So because this guy is a no show, that means that Kerry needs to spend the beginning of
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the show.
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I don't just basically doing some housekeeping, you know, just like, you know, I'm saying
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like, hey, by the way, aliens are real guys.
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I know we're waiting for our guests, but let me just run down the list of things.
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Weather weapons, totally real.
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That's what happened in North Carolina.
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I don't even know if it's still there.
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Raptors, they are actually in the hurricane and that is why people are dying.
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They are being hit by flying raptors.
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Raptor cane.
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Yeah.
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That would be a that's the next movie.
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That's a sci-fi channel movie right there.
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Undoubtedly.
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God damn it.
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They should hire her.
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Yeah, totally.
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So they she asks for like questions, but of course none come in.
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And so she just sort of rambles and checks in on some things that are happening around
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the world of Project Camelot.
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Okay.
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I do want to say that Eddie Page had his Facebook.
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He has two Facebook pages, if I understand it correctly.
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Both of them have been taken down last night and so does his YouTube channel.
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So all of a sudden, something he said, did not agree with the powers that be or want
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to be or think they are or whatever you want to call them.
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And so gone.
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His channel's gone.
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And that's not even getting like strikes.
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That's not a normal procedure.
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That is basically the only people that have the control to do that would be the CIA.
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Wait, what?
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NSA.
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That sort of people.
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Huh?
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So obviously Eddie Page is now hitting a nerve.
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Okay.
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So Eddie Page.
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And that nerve is racism.
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It is the idea of a society getting along.
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Yeah.
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So Eddie Page has been kicked off Facebook and YouTube by the CIA.
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Or the NSA.
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Could be both.
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Could be both.
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That's true.
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So it's interesting that on the 15th of September, Carrie Cassidy put a blog up on her website.
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New info RE Eddie Page.
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Anunnaki or Pleiadian.
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Uh-oh.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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So now Eddie Page's heritage is in question?
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The worm has turned for Eddie Page.
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He is, it turns out, things have fallen apart between him and Carrie Cassidy.
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Wait, wait.
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So this is prior to September 15th.
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It has to be.
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But I think only by a day.
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Okay.
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All right.
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This is from this last week.
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Okay.
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So Eddie Page is taken off of Facebook.
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Huge NSA CIA conspiracy.
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Yes.
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The next day, is Eddie Page a giant liar?
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Okay.
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All right.
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I like it.
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So now what it turns out is that, so I'm going to read this as a quote from her blog post.
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Quote, Maggie, who works with Eddie and who has been seen on the YouTube videos with him,
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has taken down his YouTube channel as well as both Facebook pages.
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Project Aquarius and Michael Wolf.
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Those are the two names of his pages.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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On the urging by, quote, Daniel, one of Eddie's Pleiadian brothers and Michael, another brother,
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who has been in contact with Ari from Shattering the Matrix, which is another online show.
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All right.
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All right.
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I'm tracking.
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So here's why they contacted and told them to take stuff down.
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He went on someone else's show and he purported to show a photo inside a Pleiadian mothership.
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All right.
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All right.
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He showed this picture on this other person's show.
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And it turns out that if you reverse image search this, or if you just kind of know,
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it turns Google it.
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It turns out that this photo is a snapshot from a video game called Secret World Legends.
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God damn it, Eddie, you're being too specific again.
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God damn it.
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The internet will find you.
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Also in a previous video, Eddie claims a UFO to be the Pleiadians,
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but it's a photo taken long ago in the book UFO Contact.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Hold on, hold on.
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There's some important information that we haven't handled then.
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If this is true, is Carrie not a Pleiadian now?
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Well, I don't think that she ever really went too far with that.
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I think she was flattered by it, but I don't think that she was like, now I'm a Pleiadian.
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I think that was more of like, aren't you pretty?
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That kind of thing.
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Oh, that's not good.
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That's how she took it.
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I think she's like, oh, aren't you as noble as a Pleiadian or something like that?
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I don't like it.
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That should have been your first sign that Eddie Page is full of shit.
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This blog post is fucking crazy.
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Okay.
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Because it's very clear to any right thinking person that what's going on is that Eddie
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Page is using pictures of UFOs and being like, oh yeah, that's my Pleiadian ship.
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Or like snapshots from video games.
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That's the mothership.
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Just like his metals are representative of the real metals.
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So are these pictures representative, not of what they are, but of the idea that they
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represent.
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Uh huh.
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So now...
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They're synecdoche.
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So here's where Carrie goes with it.
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Quote, now Eddie has been caught in a few lies recently involving pictures of craft
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and a control panel on an interview he did with another host called Ari from Shattering
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the Matrix.
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I'm in contact with her and apparently he claimed the photo from a sci-fi game, if I
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understand what they're saying, is the inside of a Pleiadian ship.
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Either the photo is from a game...
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There should not be an either or situation.
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This is not an either or.
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Parenthetically, assuming the gamers didn't have access to classified photos of real Pleiadian
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There you go.
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There.
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That's your out.
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And so Eddie is lying.
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Or it is possible Eddie is deceived because the inside of the ship looked so much like
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his memory he mistook it for such.
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Should have taken the first out.
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That second one is tough.
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Yeah.
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That second one might be, might be a bridge too far, Dan.
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So while this is clear evidence that Eddie is a con man and he's passing off things as
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like, oh, that's part of my story.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Much like he did in the last episode that we did where he's just using the books of
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Sitchin as like, this is my life story and stuff like that.
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In reality, that's not what gets carried to be like, oh, oh no, what's going on here?
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So, uh, from the here, here's where she makes her, uh, point clear quote, I have made very
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public statements and revealing my position to Eddie's convoluted claims of future diabolical
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events that show that there is a problem in his religious overlay that in my view must
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be from childhood mind control, where he believes emphatically in a punishing God to such an
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extent that he also considers himself to be a punisher, judge, jury of humanity, as well
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as executioner calling himself Abaddon.
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The conflict-
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Wait, wait, wait.
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He called himself Abaddon?
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Apparently he has.
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Okay.
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The conflict in his mind over this appears when he claims in the same breath that he
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loves humanity and that he and his father want to save them.
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So because of his, uh, things that he said on the show, where he talks about his father
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and the wrathful extermination of the Draco and stuff like that, as opposed to it being
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some sort of light being like she knows the Pleiadians to be, she has decided that he
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must be Anunnaki.
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You can't just break up with somebody, Dan.
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You have to have a reason.
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Quote, this is key.
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This is key?
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His father is just a Pleiadian ruler slash administrator of a small group of Pleiadian
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planets.
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Not even the large group.
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He claims not all the planets within the Pleiades and his group are working with many other
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races within the Galactic Federation, which by the way, according to Ashayana Deen, uh,
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are in violation of the peace treaty with earth and many of the races are part of the
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Luciferian rebellion.
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They are not aligned with the Guardian Alliance, which is a group of races who are defending
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and safeguarding humanity.
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I've given this info to Eddie about the Guardian Alliance versus the Galactic Federation.
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However, to my knowledge, he did not bother to read the Voyager books to determine the
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truth behind it.
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What an asshole.
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I'm telling you right now, this is the only reason to not like Eddie Page.
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If Eddie is a member of the warrior clan known as the Anunnaki and is one of the hybrid
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reptilians, then so it is likely are all his brothers and sisters.
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That is a classic if-then statement.
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Yep.
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I, I, I can find no faults there, Dan.
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The testimony by Eddie on my recent interview about the Pleiadians shooting down our satellites,
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an act of war, is perplexing and one would have to figure out if this was an act to disable
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the secret space program's battle group communications in support of the Dark Side
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Illuminati Draco takeover or whether the satellites belong to the Dark Side Luciferian
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Rebellion and therefore belong to the enemy of humanity and shooting them down as an act
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of defense of humanity.
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Exclamation point, exclamation point, question mark, question mark.
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This is a lot of exclamation points.
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This is an important question.
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This is an important point.
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Excuse me.
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So now, okay.
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All right.
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I think you start to see the issue that Carrie has backed herself into and that she can no
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longer say that Eddie is a liar.
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She has to make him evil now, but unfortunately in doing so, she now has created a supervillain
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because Eddie Page could now like really lean into that.
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Oh yeah.
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No, this is going to be great.
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He could lean into like, yes, in fact, I am evil.
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I am Abaddon.
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I will crush you, Carrie Cassidy.
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Let's do it.
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Come on.
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Come on, Project Camelot.
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I want that episode now.
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Oh my God.
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A showdown between good and evil on Project Camelot.
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On Project Camelot.
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And they're both full of shit.
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And we don't know for sure yet whether or not Carrie herself is good or evil.
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That's true.
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She is just a documenter of events.
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I don't know if she's like a part of the Galactic Federation or the Cosmic Alliance.
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They would never allow her in.
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Oh my God.
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This is what happens when you just, you have no standards of who you'll talk to.
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You're just like, all right, well now my narrative is going down this road.
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Eddie is a fucking huge part of it now.
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Uh oh, Eddie is using video game pictures to back up his story.
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What do I do?
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Oh shit.
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He's actually on a knocking.
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Obviously, obviously.
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There's no other explanation.
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These people are so dumb.
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It's so great.
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It really is.
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This is the, this is like the, no, you didn't shoot me.
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I dodged of like a six year old.
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Right, right.
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That's not lava anymore.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
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What that is, is that's water.
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And now I'm super safe from lava.
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In a world where we spend so much time talking about Alex Jones and things that like really
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matter, this is such a delight.
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This is such a delight to be like Eddie Page.
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Eddie Page is using fucking Halo.
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That's my life.
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I shoot things on alien planets.
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All right, buddy, go to bed.
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Go to bed, Eddie.
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All right, Eddie.
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Um, so
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You've done good.
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Now you're, uh, now you're no longer useful.
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So I'm going to have to call you an Anunnaki.
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He's super useful now as the bad guy.
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Right, right, right.
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But not on the show.
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Not on the show.
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Well, I mean, maybe.
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What if they had a reconciliation episode?
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Not a showdown episode.
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Carrie brings in an exorcist.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Perfect.
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Oh yeah, Carrie.
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Carrie takes
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Get us in the production room.
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Carrie takes him to see Mark Richards.
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No.
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He has a come to Jesus moment in Vacaville prison.
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Because then what would happen is Mark Richards and Eddie Page would wind up switching places.
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They don't, they don't look similar.
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That doesn't matter.
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He, Mark Richards puts his mind
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Or, or
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What
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Better
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What
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Eddie Page claims he did.
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Yes, that would be the best.
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I'm just
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That would be the best.
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I haven't felt like myself ever since I went to Vacaville.
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I'm starting to have these weird memories of raptors.
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Oh God, that'd be so good.
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Perfect.
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Oh Minerva, get on that.
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So many possibilities for this narrative to go in better directions when it's gone up.
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Yeah. This, this could be a fucking, oh, that would be, oh man.
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Cause Eddie Page totally has the gifts to pull it off, which are a complete lack of shame.
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And
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Flexibility.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'll lie about anything, man. Toss me in there.
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I shut down those satellites.
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Totally thinking that that would be a fine thing to say.
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Put me in Carrie, I'm ready to play.
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That's her, that's her out?
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Her out is on the show.
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He said that he was, he shut down these satellites.
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Yeah.
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Now it turns out he's a liar and full of shit.
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So she's like, no, of course not.
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Cause then they would point out that she agreed with him on everything.
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She interviewed him so many times in a short span.
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Like she never does that with guests.
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She pushed him to the front of the line.
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And so like the idea that, oh, it's come out that he's a fucking definitive bullshit artist
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that you can't, you can't even fucking deny that Carrie.
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She has to shift the goalposts and be like, ah, misinformation.
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I like that though.
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I like that she, uh, at the very least listened to the most recent episode with Eddie Page
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on it and was like, ha ha, I've found you.
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You're evil.
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She didn't though, because she's recording this episode and saying that Eddie got taken
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off by the CIA and what have you.
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In reality, it was the people who work with him were like, uh oh, we better cut all traces
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of this.
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We don't want to be involved with this anymore at all.
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It's as the CIA, probably the CIA.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, this is how she spends her time where her guest cancels.
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Uh, and then she, she starts talking a little bit about how she did an interview with somebody
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else.
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Wait, so her guest is completely canceled.
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We're not getting him, not showing up.
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He has not shown up at this point.
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I will say that I did an interview with, um, Ian Trottier is his name and, uh, and, and
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I, I posted it yesterday, the link to his, his radio show that I was on.
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And then he tried to post it on YouTube and he got an immediate message saying that that
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radio show with me was banned in all countries.
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And I get a kick out of that because like, how dangerous am I, right?
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If, uh, then this guy is kind of mainstream ish.
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Um, so it looks like, no, no more.
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So it looks like that was, uh, too much for them.
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They couldn't handle it.
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Oh, God damn it, Dan.
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There's nothing I'm going to love more than a dog interrupting a show.
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I don't think that there's a, I don't think anyone's banned in all countries.
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I think every con like, not every country, but a lot of countries have very different
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standards for what, uh, it passes for acceptable, you know?
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Yeah.
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Cause every country has different laws, things like that.
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Do they?
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Yes.
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You know, we'd be sure, you know, how we go over all the time.
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Like the lack of first amendment in countries not called the United States.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's sort of just the baseline you can go from.
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All right.
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All right.
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Um, I think that what happened here is she did an interview with this guy and like the
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tech didn't work out and it glitched or something like that.
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And he's trying to be polite or it was a shitty interview and he's trying to be like,
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Oh my God, I tried to post it.
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It got banned.
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Yeah.
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You're too dangerous.
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Yeah.
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That's something that you would believe as opposed to like, uh, look at the tech didn't
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work out and she'd be like, well, what can we do it again?
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Let's try and do it again.
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Yeah.
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That's a good point.
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This is like, I can't have you on.
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I'm sorry.
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The law of the world says you can't be on.
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Look, when even Luxembourg bans you, you know, you got to stop.
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Mm hmm.
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They don't even, I don't even know what they do there.
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It's just such, it's just a couple of guys in Luxembourg.
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Such shit.
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Just garbage.
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So he uploads it to YouTube.
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Yep.
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And YouTube says it's been banned in all countries.
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Nowhere can anyone see this.
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Nowhere.
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What about SoundCloud?
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No.
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Okay.
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Uh, what other streaming services?
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Can you Twitch it?
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Nope.
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No.
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Um, good luck asshole.
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How about Spotify?
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Can you put it up on Spotify and put it on gab?
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Who gives a shit?
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Put it on Mike Adams, real dot video or whatever fucking bullshit, uh, place still exists.
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Release it as a podcast.
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Why not?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, all that stuff is bullshit.
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So now we find out the Carrie is writing a book.
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Ooh, that's not a good, but there's trouble in paradise.
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And I'm also finding out that apparently my book is like coming in at like 700 pages or
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something really crazy that, uh, let's see.
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Too many subjunctive clauses.
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Okay.
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Something just went wrong with my computer there.
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CIA.
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Okay.
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That's not cool.
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Okay.
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So anyway, I just want to say that, uh, let me see if somebody, oh, it looks like he is
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showing up.
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Okay.
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He did get my message.
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Excellent.
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Okay.
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Hold on one second.
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So fabulous.
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Let's see if we can get him on the show here.
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Off air.
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You can point this off air.
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Hello?
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Hello?
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Hi.
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Whoa.
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Whoa.
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Terry.
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Hi.
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I'm sorry.
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I was waiting for the reply and I wasn't sure if you were going to call her or not.
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Hi, I'm here.
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So it looks like from whatever I can tell, Carrie didn't send a reply to him that confirmed
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this is the time we're doing it.
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Right.
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And so he was going about his business and waiting to hear back.
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And she just assumed that she had written inside.
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This is when we're doing it.
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And then went on air.
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It was like, I don't know where the fuck he is.
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So he calls in.
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It was mostly, it was most likely she sent him a message saying, do you want to do it
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at this time?
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And he was like, I mean, that would probably work.
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Right.
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Say what's best for you.
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I mean, do you know what all it is, is just shoddy lack of confirmation and bad behind
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the scenes structure, which is what you'd expect from this.
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So I'm like, none of this surprises me in any way.
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But this is definitely one of the things that she shares with Alex.
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Yeah, that is for sure.
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Alex is like checking his phone on air and shit.
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So now we get to Bruce Seesall as he's in, he's in the play.
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He's in, he's in the mix.
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Okay, this guy.
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What does he see, Dan?
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All.
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Okay.
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Everything.
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All right.
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I don't even think that he would make that claim.
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I don't want to tell you anything.
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I just want him to tell his story.
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Kerry is going to give him a little bit of an introduction here that I can distill down
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to four words.
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Great.
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So it's great to have you here.
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Let me just give you like a real brief, I've got your introduction here.
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You operate a Celis drawn 1400 HD computerized 14 inch telescope with a 38 inch.
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I don't know if that's a point 38 or 38 inch optical tube with DSLR and adapter at the
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back 24 megapixel camera.
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3910 millimeters of focal length.
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And you've done asteroids, planetoids, unknown planets, meteors, planets, stars, nebulas,
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and constellations, Orion, Andromeda, Taurus, Virgo, Perseus, and boots, and many more.
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And you're really, wow.
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You're very serious.
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Yeah.
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So he's very serious.
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Here's how I would sum up all that.
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You have a telescope.
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Dude has a telescope.
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Why is he on the show?
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He's got a telescope.
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He's got a telescope.
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I've watched some of his videos.
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I've seen the telescope.
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It's a nice looking telescope.
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Is it a good telescope?
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It's not a great telescope.
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It's not a great telescope?
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I mean, it's fine.
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It's better than like your hobbyist might have.
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Like it's bigger than the one you have as a kid to look up at the stars.
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Certainly.
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Is it a...
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It's bigger than that.
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Is it a comically oversized telescope like you might find in a cartoon from the seventies?
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No, no.
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It's right in the middle.
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I would call it a middle of the road, but closer to impressive than not.
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Okay.
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It's a fine piece of equipment.
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Now, I don't know if he has...
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I don't know if he knows exactly what he's doing with it, but he's got it.
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So, so, okay.
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So all we've got is a guy who has a telescope.
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That's not enough to get on Project Camelot.
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It is.
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Make no mistake.
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You know what?
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It is.
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Fair enough.
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That is enough to get on Project Camelot.
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She interviewed the janitor who created a warp drive twice.
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Yeah, but he created a warp drive.
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Spoiler alert.
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He didn't.
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He says he did.
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Did he make a telescope?
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That would actually be a pretty cool thing.
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I would actually have listened to an interview where she's like,
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okay, cool.
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So how did you make this telescope?
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That would be interesting.
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Maybe it would be a How Things Work or stuff like that.
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One of those podcasts, not Project Camelot worthy.
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But look, Jordan, you're right.
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You're right.
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I'm going to call myself out on it.
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Just having a telescope is not enough to get you on the show.
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This guy's got a lot of other things going on.
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The ability to see all?
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He sees all through this telescope.
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You understand?
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You should have more than that.
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That's not all.
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He's going to break some very serious news in this next clip.
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Okay, cool.
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So if we're able to bring the small photo, keep it the same way it is,
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but just bring it this wide.
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And the exact same way you can see it very small without it bending or distorting.
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And then you can see you put it under a microscope in more detail.
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You know what I mean?
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So people think that, oh, he's going to get close.
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He's going to.
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How come we're not seeing structures?
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We're seeing what we can see as a small phone that I bring bigger.
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Zoom and people get concerned.
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They don't understand how does that call it?
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The beginning process.
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It's fake and it's nothing fake.
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It's all real photography and very little filtering.
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Night vision colors.
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Just to get the green colors because green brings out a lot of the details on
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celestial objects and I am getting good feedback.
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People like you, other channels that are giving me a good hand.
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But honestly, it's really hush hush.
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It's like, I don't know, it's like I'm not getting out there
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so that people can see themselves.
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You know what I have?
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It's all raw and it's beautiful.
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What I'm catching on the moon, a whole bunch of movement, different UFOs,
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and they're all real.
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Oh, okay, there we go.
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You don't need to say they're all real if they are all real.
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Because that's really, you know, a lot of people don't realize that.
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That's actually, in my opinion, some of the most impressive stuff
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is when you actually have a craft flying and you're capturing that.
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I've gone to Bruce's YouTube channel and I would say...
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One, did you see his telescope?
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Yeah, I did and then I also watched some of his videos where he purports
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to show structures and motion on the moon and I wish I still smoked weed.
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Honestly, it would be so fun.
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It would be great.
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Because his narration is crazy.
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He's crazy?
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Well, because he's city.
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Is it good?
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No.
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He doesn't have a terrible voice.
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It's not terrible, but he's saying that this is a city on the moon
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and it's just blurry pixels.
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Wow, that's not good.
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It's the same thing we've seen over and over again with space hucksters, let's say.
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You know, it's like, I have found proof of X, Y, and Z thing,
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or all those UFO guys who have this picture and they're like,
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why is there string there?
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It's like, no, that's not string.
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It's that sort of thing.
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He's not cheating it in so much as those people were creating fake UFOs
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and forced perspective and things like that.
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He's cheating in the analysis of it.
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He's showing a blurry pixel because when you zoom too far
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on a picture that you've taken, you're going to get distortion and blurring of pixels.
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He's like, right there, you can see that's a fucking city.
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Which, you know, you could solve, buddy, if you got a better telescope.
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Which is why, you know...
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That's why those really, really big telescopes that we have...
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Run by scientists.
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Yeah, they don't see that stuff.
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No, no.
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And anybody who studies astronomy at all would be able to look at his stuff,
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and they have, and been like, this is shit.
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Yeah.
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What you're doing is just misinterpreting things that are very well understood
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by anybody who studied science and studied space.
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Yeah, but you can't have those people near you.
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Now, I am saying that anybody who has studied space and science and astronomy
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would understand these things, and I say that because I must make clear,
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this guy has not.
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At all.
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What does he do?
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Here's his backstory.
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Okay.
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This is not...
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This doesn't inspire confidence.
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I was first a janitor that invented a warp drive, and now I've rebranded as Bruce Seesall.
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It's close to that, but not exactly.
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Continue, what I want to do is actually get you to talk about how you got into this field,
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and also your background in photography, how you kind of got that all happening.
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Well, I was a wedding photographer.
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Absolutely.
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I started...
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I've always been a fanatic about nature photography, and as much animals as the trees
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and blending in buildings in certain angles, I like playing with angles.
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Do you?
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So I used to take a lot of shots, even did a little bit of photography, taking photos of
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people, even a couple of children, and I was getting really good at it.
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Why did he say it like that?
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I don't know.
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It is weird.
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Why is he even a couple of children?
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They're notoriously hard to photograph.
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I really don't like the way he said that.
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No, it does...
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It does not inspire confidence.
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It's very weird.
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It's a weird way to phrase it.
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Yeah, it's almost like I am upset at my stomach.
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It's almost that level of weird phrasing.
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At the time, it remained a hobby because, of course, I live with my son and, you know,
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I pay the house, pay the bills.
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So I had to work at the bus station and I'm still working there.
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So it's a regular job.
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But I started taking photos and then I, at one point, to make a long story short, to
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jump into the astrophotography after about five, six, seven years of just really being
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a hobby, taking nature photos.
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Really nice photography.
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Never sold any, really.
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But then I started taking the moon and I got one star and all I can say is that it was
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towards the constellation of Draco.
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Because, you know, people say, where exactly is the star?
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I never give an indication.
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Honestly, I don't know.
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That's a bad sign.
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That's not good.
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You should really know where a star is.
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Also, you said it like you don't know where any star is.
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If you're taking pictures where you're purporting to show, like, life in space and structures
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and stuff like that, it behooves you to be like, here's where it is.
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You guys go confirm for yourself.
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It seems like maybe the most important piece.
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Also, even in his backstory, he's like, I would put things in angles to make it look
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I like to play with angles.
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I like to manipulate photographs so you see what I want you to see.
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Which is not a...
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Which is, I mean, that's fine with like artistic photography.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's perfect for photography.
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Not great when you're trying to prove aliens.
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No, usually bad.
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Seems like a weird thing to bring up when you're describing your backstory that's like
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purportedly supposed to reinforce that, like, I have hard evidence of X, Y, or Z.
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My backstory involves manipulating angles for artistic benefit.
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Blah, blah, blah.
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I work at a bus station.
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One time I took some pictures of even a few kids.
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What, hold on, at the bus station?
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Probably.
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In the bus station?
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Quite frankly, I would not be surprised.
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What are you doing?
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Nothing wrong with working at a bus station, dude.
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It leads me to believe that he does not have a degree in astrophysics.
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You don't think so?
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I think he might have brought that up.
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I think that might have been...
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Instead of it being, I work at a bus station and as a hobby, I started taking pictures
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of space, but I don't know where I was taking pictures.
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I have no fucking idea, but I found aliens.
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I like his description of his life.
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About five, six years of doing this, and then I had a breakthrough.
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What about the moon?
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No, this is fertile soil.
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No one's ever taken a picture of the moon before.
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Unplowed ground here for me to dig into.
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Yeah, I mean, that's crazy.
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That's crazy levels of bullshit.
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So I mean, right there is enough to be like, no, sir.
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Yeah.
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No.
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I will listen to someone who has studied this, because at the very least they know
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where the star is, at least.
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Preemptive question.
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I'm sure that it will be answered by the end of the episode, but I want to get this
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from you first.
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Does he believe what he's saying or is he scamming?
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Where is he on our stupid evil continuum?
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I would say both, but probably closer to scamming, because he has a GoFundMe page,
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and he's trying to get people to buy him more equipment.
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He's raised like $8,500 on there or something like that.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I don't know how lucrative of a scam that is, but I think it's probably
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like the nascent stages of a scam.
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But I would be hard pressed to say that I don't think he also kind of believes it.
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Yeah.
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But it's easy to believe things when you don't understand things, like when you don't
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understand how space works.
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You don't understand what you're looking at.
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It's really easy to assume, oh, that blurring of pixels looks a lot like a building.
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It must be a building.
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Yeah.
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When there's a really easy explanation, if you just talk to anybody, like any astronomer
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would be like, or any photography expert would be able to explain to you the blurring and
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the warping of pixels that happens when you zoom too far.
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Or just a telescope manufacturer.
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Yeah.
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Any of these people would be able to explain it away pretty quick.
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Right, right.
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So Bruce doesn't know where stars are, and then from there it gets a little bit worse
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in terms of the assumptions that he's making.
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Because, you know, people say, where exactly is the star?
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I never give an indication.
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Honestly, I don't know.
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I'm going to go with pointing at Orion.
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It doesn't mean the star is in Orion.
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It could be very close to Earth and tiny, or it could be very far away and huge and
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it seems very small.
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So, uh-oh, uh-oh, oh no.
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It could be a couple of blocks away.
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It could be two billion light years in the past.
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Oh.
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Who knows?
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I'll tell you who knows.
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Astronomers know.
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That's not hard to figure out.
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Excuse me.
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That is one of the very basic things.
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It's probably something you should really know right off the bat.
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Yeah, yeah, they have equations and-
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Bruce sees all, uh, explain gravitic lensing, if you could.
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He sees all, except textbooks.
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Explain this stuff.
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It's hard, though.
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It's hard, you know?
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No, they are really boring.
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It's very boring.
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It's really boring to read a bunch of textbooks.
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It's much more fun to be like, there's a fucking city up there and I know it.
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I'm the only one who knows it and no one's listening to me giving me money.
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It's very easy to do that and much more gratifying than say, I don't know, studying for four
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years to get a degree and then dedicating your life to working at a large telescope.
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And, oh my God, look at that!
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Isn't that Beetlejuice?
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I don't fucking know.
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That's not the path I went down, but many people have.
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It's always fascinating to me, these people who are essentially hard sci-fi geeks.
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But they would bully hard sci-fi geeks.
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Exactly, exactly.
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But they believe it's true.
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Yeah, and how hard they struggle to avoid learning anything about what it is they're
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talking about.
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That's why they're soft sci-fi geeks.
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They're not into the strict adherence to rules and stuff like that.
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They're really into just the fanciful, I imagine that this is what this is and therefore it
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is.
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They're not Neil deGrasse Tyson being like, well, you know, in Up that house wouldn't
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have flown.
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Yeah, this guy, I'll be honest, he's really close to the border of the like, we won't
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talk about them on the show.
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You know, that sort of Project Camelot line of like, is this person okay?
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Oh, yeah.
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That sort of thing.
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He's very close to the line, but he's on the right side of it for us to talk about.
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Okay, good.
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I don't think that he's so mentally unwell.
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It'd be fun if you were just like, and he's on the other side of it.
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End of episode.
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No, no, no, no.
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So he's concerned about saying where a star is because it might be big and close to Earth
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or small and far or vice versa, whatever.
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He really did.
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He really did a great job of explaining perspective, though.
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Yes, which is something a photographer would do.
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So now hold on.
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That clip isn't done.
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It gets weirder.
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I often I'll just say I'm pointing there or I'm pointing there and I got something on
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the star, some surface structures.
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I have the video and I have to send it to you whenever we talk about this again.
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I'm sure we will.
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And very different to the moon's surface.
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And there is a sign so long me that it was constructed.
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It does look chiseled.
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And again, the ancient structures that we see here on Earth, the way they talk about
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the Mayans, et cetera, the way the Egyptians could have chiseled in the rock and many different
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ancient civilizations intrigues me finding that on another planet, something that looks
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like just chiseled out surface in certain areas.
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It was that I started taking photos of the moon.
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There is literally no way, no matter what kind of zoom this guy's got, that you could
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find something that looks chiseled out unless it was like what you can see.
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Well, it could be really far away and chiseled out, or it could actually be really close
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and small and chiseled out.
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Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan.
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Wait, did he say that there was a surface structure on a star?
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Yes.
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OK, that's saying a lot of shit.
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That's not a good thing to say.
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The idea that you could see a structure and determine the masonry of it from his satellite
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or his telescope.
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It's cockamamie bullshit.
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Yeah, I implore anyone to go watch any of his videos.
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The idea that he could tell about the sort of technique of the building, it's all in
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his imagination.
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He's just making all that up.
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He got an Egyptologist to explain to him about how pyramids were built.
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Carrie is Egyptologist.
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OK, fair enough.
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She's an amateur Egyptologist.
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Gotcha.
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So, dude, this is wild stuff.
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He also says that there's lush vegetation on the moon and there's a lot of colors.
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All right.
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And one of the things that people need to understand is that oftentimes when you take
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pictures from space of the moon, they're much grayer.
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But if you take a picture of the moon from planet Earth, oftentimes you'll see a little
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bit of coloration to it.
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You'll see there's a little bit more strict whiteness or even some yellowing, that sort
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of phenomenon.
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And the reason for that is Earth's atmosphere.
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I don't understand.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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So are you telling me that taking a picture through Earth's atmosphere looks different
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than taking a picture from like the Hubble telescope, which is outside of Earth's atmosphere?
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Bingo, baby.
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I don't understand how that could affect the photography at all.
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What if it's just really, really close in Earth's atmosphere?
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Right.
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But it's actually very small.
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And he's also said that he likes to tint things green because it brings things out.
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Maybe you just did that and you forgot.
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That's why you think there's vegetation.
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Lush vegetation.
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A place where there's no air.
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Tinted it green.
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There is air.
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All right.
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No, there's not.
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There's a small amount of air.
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Not enough.
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I mean, not enough for your human based lush vegetation.
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Or whatever his definition is.
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So now I want to say that I don't think that his grasp on astronomy is strong.
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Not great.
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I would say that the indication of I don't know how far away this thing is, it could
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be huge and far, small and close.
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That leads me to believe that he's not wrestled with the actual work.
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But this next clip leads me to believe that this guy, oh man, he is into cutting corners
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when it comes to physics.
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Do you have any idea how big the craft are, for example?
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Dimension, you know, the dimensions of the craft.
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And then the structures, can you even, is there even any way to estimate that?
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Sure.
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Well, I'll tell you how I did it.
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The way I talk about all the information and the sizes, maybe seems silly, but it seems
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to me the most logical way to confirm something using the eye, like just the naked eye.
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I compare it to the size of the craters.
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Since I've taken so many shots, the UFO itself, I'll take a very small crater in any frame
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that I will find a small UFO.
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And compare that size to a 30-kilometer crater.
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So if I can fit four or five UFOs in a 30-kilometer crater, right off the bat, we know for a fact
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that it is at least a mile.
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We can know that.
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Wait, what?
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It's at least a mile, and that's often what I'll say.
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Hold on.
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Because some of them do seem to be three to four miles.
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And, Keri, there are different sizes.
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Excuse me, sir.
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Some are cigar-shaped.
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Right.
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So who cares?
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Excuse me, sir.
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How many kilometers are in a mile?
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Well, he is in Canada, I believe, so he might be on the...
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I think he does wrestle through the kilometer-to-mile conversion to try and help Keri out throughout
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the episode.
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OK.
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Now, the first problem that I would say with this technique of judging with craters is
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the exact same thing he's already brought up.
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What if that spaceship is far away from the crater?
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How are you judging sizes of the craters?
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By the size of the pixel, Dan, it's obvious!
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It's obvious!
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That doesn't work!
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No, it makes perfect sense!
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Perspective is still a problem.
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No, pixels!
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No.
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Same size.
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Doesn't work.
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If it fits in one crater, it fits in every crater, Dan.
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Also, I don't trust him to know how big one of these craters is, first of all.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's a problem.
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Exactly how is he estimating the distance of that?
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I think he's just like, it's a fucking three-mile spaceship, buddy.
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Enjoy.
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Cool.
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I mean, this is tragically flawed thinking.
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Legitimately, I bet you could Google how large certain craters on the moon are, and people
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have measured it.
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Yeah, they have measured it, and then you could just look and see if that was the crater
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that you were looking at.
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So now, here's where things get real bad for Bruce, is that if he did do that and take
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those measurements, right, and we, just for fun, assume that he does have spaceships on
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tape, right?
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You have all of that, and he does take that, you know, whatever measurement he's made of
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the spaceship and put it into the crater that he has the measurement of.
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That perspective problem is still a problem.
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He can't confirm where that spaceship was unless it's on the ground.
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Unless it's not a spaceship as much as it is a dune buggy, you can't do this.
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Like, you can't do that, because even if it's a mile off the ground, let's say, it's going
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to completely fuck up your measurements.
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Your equations are bunk.
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Quite literally, it could be in the exact middle distance between where the Earth is
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and where the moon is, and it would look to you, taking a picture, as though it might
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have been actually on the moon at the time.
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It's three miles, according to that, but because it's halfway between the Earth and the moon,
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it's actually only, I don't know, 60 feet.
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Like, it's a pleasure yacht or something like that.
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Is it a pleasure yacht?
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Yeah, it's a cigarette boat.
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It's a nice little, yeah, it's a nice little tool in spacecraft.
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It's like what Kerry was doing in NOM, hanging around on a boat.
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So, I mean, look, here's the deal.
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I watch these videos and they're shit.
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They're absolute shit.
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I don't need to get into why other than to say, but what's more important is just the
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thinking that we're seeing demonstrated.
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The lack of him even realizing, huh, that could be a problem for my equations.
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The idea that the supposed UFO isn't on the ground.
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Shit, how am I going to get around that?
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The fact that he's just like, oh no, it's three miles.
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Well, you saw a structure on a star.
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You have to assume everything is grounded.
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Sure.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah, and no one knows where that might have been.
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It could, look, I'm not going to point to where a star is.
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It could be anywhere.
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Yeah.
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Everybody knows that stars are everywhere always.
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I don't understand.
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I will never, I suppose maybe I do.
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I don't understand that knee-jerk reaction so many people have to anybody who spent their
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entire life studying stuff like just like with the anti-vaccine people, like there are
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people who started out as like nine-year-olds, literally fascinated by all this stuff.
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They go through school.
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They're brilliant.
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Then they go to college.
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They study all of this stuff.
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They're brilliant.
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And then they spend the next 20 to 30 years of their life building these vaccines in order
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to save lives.
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And there are a bunch of people who are just like, nah, fuck you.
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You don't know a goddamn thing.
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Like, what are you doing?
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Yeah, it's rude.
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It's not like they're doing it for fame.
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It's a really boring thing to do.
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Like the human instinct that you have to like want to make your mark on shit is not going
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to be satisfied by that kind of shit.
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It's just like they're trying to do a thing that they love.
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Well, here's another interesting parallel between the worlds of Alex Jones and the worlds
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of Project Camelot because the example that you brought up, the vaccines and anti-vax
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people, it is very similar thinking that these people have with space shit.
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In as much as they don't look at it that way, they don't look at it as someone has dedicated
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their life to studying this stuff and they know more than me just because I am angry
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and want to scam people, make a little buck out of this.
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They don't look at it that way.
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They look at it like these people got in with probably good intentions, but then they became
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sucked into the nefarious globalist system.
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So like with the vaccine people, it's like, oh yeah, they became corrupted by big pharma
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and that took over what they were about.
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And with this, it's like, oh, NASA is being all shitty with this and NASA is doing this
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big cover up and now they're a part of it.
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Yeah, but that just doesn't track.
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If you've ever studied human behavior of any kind, that doesn't make sense.
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No, but it does make sense if you're looking for a convenient, easy way to explain the
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non-explainable or the non-explainable being why is everyone disagreeing with me or something
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like that.
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It's just such a bummer that you can't, like these people cannot experience just a certain
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level of trust in other human beings.
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Unless those people implicitly agree with whatever worldviews they're putting out.
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Then that's why Carrie gets sucked in by people like Eddie Page is because she trusts him
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because he reinforces the worldview that she's already putting out.
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Same reason Alex gets screwed over by guests all the time and Robert David Steele on because
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he was reinforcing Alex's worldview until he came on and said that there are children
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being kept as slaves on a moon base.
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And that's when Alex got burned.
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Bruce has photographed some of those children.
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But even that speaks to the general idea that the only person that they can ever truly trust
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is themselves because the only people they'll believe are people who agree.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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100%.
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That's such a bummer, man.
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You engage with the rest of the human race.
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We're not bad.
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No, we'll laugh at a lot of this shit, but...
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Yeah, we're like, we're good guys.
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At the same time, even if this guy was putting this stuff out into the world, like he had
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this YouTube channel where he's like, I believe that I've found video of bases on the moon.
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I believe that these are structures, but at the same time, I could be wrong.
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And, you know, I just want to put this out there and start a conversation or something
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like that.
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I wouldn't laugh at him.
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No.
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I wouldn't treat him like a dick.
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I would be like, well, at least you're open to the possibility that, you know, this, what
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you're seeing isn't what you think it is, this certainty is what makes it funny.
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Right.
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Because the certainty implies you're trying to pull it faster.
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Well, isn't that something that, I mean, to a certain extent, you and I can only experience
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very briefly?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like, you and I are both...
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Speak for yourself.
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How dare you?
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I don't know what point you're trying to make, so I can't agree with you.
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I mean, perhaps the largest difference that we have with so many of these people is that
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you and I are a default at the doubt position.
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Yeah.
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Like our default position is like, there's no way that my first reaction or even my second
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reaction is the correct one.
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Right.
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I need to make sure and double check and double check and double check.
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And these people don't have that at all.
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That's why this guy will maybe make $8,500 in a GoFundMe, but no one will know who he
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is in a couple of years or whatever.
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His flash in the pan two years from now, we'd be still working at that bus station.
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Ouch.
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Taking pictures of the moon.
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And children.
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Oh, boy.
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I hope he's not taking...
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That's such a weird way of putting it.
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I can't get that out of my head.
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It's very weird.
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And I hope he stops taking pictures of children because this next clip scares me a little
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bit.
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Oh, no.
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What I'm trying to figure out is how much harassment do you get in terms of what you're
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doing?
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Do they leave you alone or do they harass you?
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So far, I'm going to be very honest with you.
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I can tell you I've been harassed by men in black, by so-and-so.
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It's not true.
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It's the actual movie.
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I did get real quick.
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He said, I need to start that back a little bit because I listened to this already and
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I can't quite figure out if he is actually saying that he's been harassed by the men
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in black or if he's saying the idea that I've been harassed by the men in black isn't true.
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I can't tell.
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See, I heard that he has been harassed by the movie Men in Black.
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Sure.
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Vincent D'Onofrio is a little bit upsetting.
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Now, how dare you?
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Vincent D'Onofrio was the hero of that film.
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Listen, I want you to track this as closely as you can because I'm not sure what he's
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alleging.
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Okay.
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What you're doing.
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Do they leave you alone or do they harass you?
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So far, I'm going to be very honest with you.
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I can tell you I've been harassed by men in black.
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I might have got him.
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It's not true.
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I got a lot of trolls.
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I did.
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He's saying, I could tell you that I've been harassed by the men in black, but it's not
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true.
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So that's what he said there.
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The phrasing of it threw me the first time I heard it.
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Yeah, because if you say to be very honest, I could tell you that I've been harassed by
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the men in black.
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It's to be very honest, comma, I could tell you.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The phrasing is a little bit complicated.
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Yeah, especially for a project Camelot guest.
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Yeah, okay.
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I'm okay with what he's saying there because he's saying I could lie to you and say that
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it was the men in black, but really I've just had some trolls.
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I could tell you that I'm upset at my stomach, but indeed my stomach is just upset.
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Right.
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You get big death threats, but honestly, they seemed really more nasty and vindictive and
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try to scare me.
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And honestly, honestly, I always respond with something worse.
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Like, well, if you're going to break my legs, I'm going to do something worse to you and
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I'll play with them or I'll laugh to see how they react.
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You know, because honestly, people that are doing this for real, I've seen some stories
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and they say six words and they attain you.
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They know what to tell you.
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Usually they know what to tell you.
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Tubal cane.
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I don't know what those six words are.
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Maybe I'm going to kill you.
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I am going to.
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I am going to kill you.
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That's six.
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Right.
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I don't know what the others, but the six words and then they obtain you is very weird.
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I don't know what he's talking about.
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Freaks me the fuck out.
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Also, the idea that he's like, hey, if I think you're threatening me, I'm going to threaten
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you double.
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What's one of the what's one of the bad impulse?
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What's one of the acrostics for the solar system?
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You know, like my very I don't want to say mine.
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The mnemonic device.
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You mean?
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Yeah, yeah.
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From childhood, mine was my very erotic monkey Jack sperm under nasty pillows.
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See, there you go.
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Yeah.
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Now, that's why that's a mnemonic.
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Right.
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An acrostic.
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I don't think so.
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I believe it is.
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I don't know.
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Because you could put them.
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Never mind.
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The point being the reason that they know to tell you only six words is because there
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are really six planets, only six planets.
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Right.
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But that's why they can tell you those six words in code.
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Dude, it's like D12.
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There's only six like D12.
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There's six members, but each has an alter ego, making the 12.
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The dirty doesn't.
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There you go.
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There's 12 planets, including Tiamat.
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Planet nine.
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Tiamat.
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Tenth planet.
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Planet X.
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So there's 12 planets, but it's actually Baphomet.
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Why not?
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It's only six planets, but each has an alter ego planet.
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So Jordan, I don't like the idea that he's saying that people threaten me, I'm going
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to threaten them back.
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Because we know from looking at these personality types.
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They're very stable and they have no issues later on.
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Oftentimes they feel like they're being threatened when they're not, and they may
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respond to critiques as threats, which is why I would like to bring everyone's attention
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to a website called FlatEarthLunacy.com, which is a website that takes people who make
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flat earth arguments and breaks down why it's a load of bullshit.
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There's a lot of other astronomy related stuff on there, and they did a little bit
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of looking into Bruce Czol, and they posted some very critical things about his work.
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I really believe that Bruce Czol could be a name.
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I really have a hard time dealing with Bruce Czol as a name.
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I want it to be Czol.
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It's got a flair to it.
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It's not, though.
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I like it.
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I am Jordan Czol from now on.
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Hmm, so he got wind of the fact that they had made this page that was critiquing his
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work, and he sent them an email that is a little aggressive.
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Oh, no.
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Quote, you like posting my stuff, huh?
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You'll have this nice little note to add to your childish website.
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Everyone knows that you're a jealous YouTube period creator that has no education whatsoever.
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L-O-L-L-L.
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You guys want to be the top, and it ain't about being the top.
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It's about exposing what is truth.
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You're part of the lie.
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Oh, by the way, every time there's a you're, it's Y-O-U-R.
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That's petty of me, but whatever.
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Hey, you think you're educated.
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Y-O-U-R.
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You're the lie.
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My next video will send a flood of haters.
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I have more than you, 100 views a day here.
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L-O-L-L-L.
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What's a matter?
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The website ain't working for you.
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Did you say what's a matter?
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Yeah, what's a matter?
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Yeah, what's a matter?
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What's a matter?
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Not what's the matter.
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What's a matter with your website?
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What's a matter with you?
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Yeah, you should be all over the news, but sadly, L-O-L-L-L.
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This is a weak W-E-E-K and website for your family, it appears.
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These posts against me prove to me that I have stirred up a few brainless wonders to
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the reality of it all.
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The fact that everything you said about me was a lie.
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Therefore, this post will be taken down.
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My business will not be attacked by you.
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You will have brought many troubles your way.
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Promise.
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I will be watching what you... it's post, but it's spelled P open bracket O-T-S.
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So that's not great.
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P open bracket O-T-S.
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All right.
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And I'm sure it was supposed to be post.
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Yeah.
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Better take this shit down or you will hear from Mike, buddy.
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Mike ain't so friendly.
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Who's Mike?
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Wait, where did Mike come into all of this?
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Third act reveal.
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So Mike is an enforcer for this guy?
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Probably a co-worker at the bus station.
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There's this guy named Mike who's gonna fuck people up.
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Does his dirty work.
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All right.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize he was running that kind of operation.
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So they didn't threaten him.
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And that's the kind of response that he gives out when someone critiques the possibility
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that he's not doing due diligence with his astronomy assumptions that he's making.
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So when I hear that, I hear, okay, this guy's a little bit aggressive, little aggro.
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People who question the intelligence of people debunking them using facts often
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reveal via their questioning that they are not themselves.
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They don't have a good grasp.
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Yeah.
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You guys think you're so smart and you misspell everything and throw brackets in there in
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the wrong place.
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It's like, guy, it's like, Hey, I get it that you're angry, but come on, do a little double
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check and a little spell check.
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You're writing an email.
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You got time.
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It's not like you're on the phone, but you know what?
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To me, it also is an indication of lack of trust in your own position.
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Like that sort of behavior to me really indicates that like Bruce himself knows that what he's
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putting out is thin, you know?
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And so he's just like, better attack this guy.
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Otherwise I'm not going to be able to stand on my merits that, Oh, that is actually just
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a weird distorted pixel that I'm pretending is a city.
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So I don't, I I'm worried about this guy and I hope he fucking attacks us.
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You know, isn't it weird?
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Like in all honesty, what is the difference?
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What is the difference between that guy and like the daily caller?
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It's just proofreading.
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Yeah.
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Like the daily caller has all of those same insults towards people that disagree with
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them, but they can just proofread.
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But for some reason, a huge section of the population is fine with it.
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But we also don't know if this guy is really into white shit or anything.
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I don't really, I don't really know his business in terms of that.
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And they don't get into it.
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Unlike Eddie.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Eddie will find a way.
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Yeah.
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That's the one, the one lesson from Malcolm.
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Eddie will find a way.
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Eddie will find a way.
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Chaos theory.
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So in this next clip, uh, Carrie has a very hard hit in question for Bruce.
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Uh, and that is, has he ever taken pictures of aliens?
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First of all, um, I want to understand whether you think that you have ever photographed
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beings.
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That's an interesting question.
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A very interesting question.
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And I'll tell you, yes, but I think it could be a possibility, but I don't think that
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people are understanding what I mean by beings.
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I'm not, I'm not seeing right now anything with, uh, head, shoulders and legs like us.
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I'm seeing.
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I'm seeing things that have movements that seem to be not like the wind that's moving
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them or that not debris.
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It looks like they're moving themselves and it looks like they're contracting.
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Dan, is there wind on the moon?
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Extracting.
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Nope.
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He is photographed the glow cloud.
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All hail the glow cloud dad.
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First off, welcome to Night Vale.
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Yeah.
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Uh, I got bad news there.
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Uh, there is not a wind, uh, in, in the moon, but all hail, there is an interesting phenomenon
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of shadows that end up being caught in space.
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And also like we talked about with the coloration of things that you see in space often being
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affected by, uh, you know, just the earth's atmosphere.
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One of the things you have to take into consideration is even if you're using a telescope, you can't
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see through clouds.
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You know, you can't see through...
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No, you don't.
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You don't need to worry about it.
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So oftentimes you can...
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You're looking through a telescope.
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You can, you can end up seeing footage of something that appears to have clouds on the
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moon or something like that.
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And it might be just like very high, uh, cirrus clouds, like up really high in the, I don't
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know, troposphere or whatever.
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I don't remember the exact, uh, the, the levels of the, uh, yeah, yeah.
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So like that, that sort of thing to me.
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Once you get past heaven, I don't really remember the, the spheres.
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The end, like the fact that he's saying what I've, what I've ended up taking pictures of
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is, you know, clouds that are alive.
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That leads me to believe that...
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He took pictures of clouds.
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He has, he's accidentally captured something, uh, like high level cirrus clouds.
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Because cirrus are the wispy ones.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That sort of thing.
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Uh, he's, he's captured that and is misunderstanding the, the nature of his telescope.
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That's kind of what I'm guessing.
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He made the classic rookie mistake of a guy with a telescope, which is that you can only
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see the space, you can only see space when it's night.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That's the other, that's the other thing too, like if you watch his video that you'll see
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like, uh, things that appear to be lights and stuff like that.
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And it's so...
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It's like his neighbor's place.
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No, but it is like reflections.
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You know, it's not, it's not like, you're not actually seeing like a luminescent bulb
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on the moon or something like that, which by the way, how fucking crazy would that be
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if that's what you could see from your telescope?
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That would be crazy.
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You're looking at the moon and you see someone like turn on their porch light.
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Like that's crazy.
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Well, he can't tell you where the stars are, Dan.
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There's no...
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He can't point towards them.
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It could be his neighbor's place.
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There's no fucking chance of you, no matter how powerful a telescope that you have, that
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you could look at the moon and see a light on it.
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It would have to be the biggest fucking light in order for it to be visible to your telescope.
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So the reality is that when he sees like things that appear to be lights, it might be a piece
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of like space dust or something like that.
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That's reflecting light or any number of possible explanations.
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I'm not an astronomer myself, so I don't know all of them, but I know there are plenty of
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them.
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I've seen this be debunked a number of times.
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In the classic pale blue dot photograph, you see a lot of shit up there.
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Not living people, though.
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All those lights.
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Living glow clouds.
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Well, obviously, but all glow clouds are alive.
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Also, Florence.
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Hurricane Florence.
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Yeah.
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Glow cloud.
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Glow cloud.
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Glow cloud.
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I didn't have the...
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That's the problem with North Carolina and South Carolina, they never hailed the glow
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cloud.
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I didn't have the nerve to watch Kerry's two-part interview about that hurricane, but I'm guessing
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it involves weather weapons or something.
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Yeah, no.
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I decided to pass on that.
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I'm out.
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I'm out on that one.
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Hard punt on that.
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No thanks.
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A lot of people's lives are really fucked up for a long time because of this.
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As we're recording this, still not over.
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No.
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Giant pollution is now running rampant.
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Thanks, Duke Energy.
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In this next clip, Jordan.
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How do I introduce this clip?
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I don't remember what it says, but I know it's dumb.
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That's a good introduction to just about any Project Camelot clip.
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I guess what I would say is he's trying to express that, again, he seems fascinated by
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the idea of zoom.
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Like that zoom is a thing that happens.
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Yeah, you can embiggen things.
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The ability to zoom on a camera seems like almost witchcraft to him.
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The more I zoom in, yeah, the more I zoom in, the more I see what people are talking
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about, the hologram.
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I could see that, and it's scary.
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The way, like you say, ends meet sometimes, it looks like you're looking at a corner of
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a screen or something.
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Angles move, and you wonder what the heck is going on in it.
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Unfortunately, it always passes off that it's the telescope, right?
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Or people, oh, there's a bug on your lens, or at 4,000 millimeters you carry, you'll
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never see a mosquito on my lens.
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You will never see a mosquito like this in the window of my lens.
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Impossible.
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Because the mosquito would be this stretched out, and it would be a blur, and it would
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be a blur that you wouldn't see.
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You're arguing against the wrong criticism, buddy.
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You know, that's not a legitimate criticism.
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I don't think anyone's giving him.
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It's just, because that would be very obvious to tell.
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Like, you definitely see...
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Yeah, usually you can see bugs on a lens.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, I don't know, man.
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Yeah, the more you zoom, the more you do see.
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I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make with the hologram business, but I
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do know that some of these other people, like a John Lear, some of these other weirdos in
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the Secret Space, Carrie Cassidy kind of world, they do speculate that there's like a hologram
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that's going on that doesn't allow you to see what's actually going on on the moon.
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And so I think that's what he's sort of harkening to.
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I thought it was more like, if you zoom in far enough on any lens, you can see that the
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entire universe is a hologram.
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Now that's interesting.
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That might be what he's talking about, too.
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I don't know.
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You just have to...
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You and I are left here guessing at exactly...
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I can tell you from listening to this episode, I don't know.
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I can't answer that question for you.
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Like, I don't have more prior context that's going to help.
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Fair enough.
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But I can tell you that this, at a certain point, became an incredibly boring episode.
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Oh, of course.
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This was one of the rare times that I almost fell asleep.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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I was just like, I'm so interested in just the kernel of it, but then the fact that the
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episode's an hour and a half, there's long, long stretches where it's just like...
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That's a long time for an episode interviewing a guy with a telescope.
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He does have a telescope, though.
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I can confirm that.
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That's true.
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So you might be asking yourself, this dude worked at a bus station, does work at a bus
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station, into photography, likes to cheat angles, and it's like, how did he get into
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this game?
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We're not really entirely sure.
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We know that he said he started taking pictures of a star, that he has no idea where it is.
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And a few children.
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And a few children.
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But it's not entirely sure.
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What's going on?
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And a few children, but it's not entirely sure.
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What's his story in the secret space business?
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Yeah.
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So how long have you been doing this?
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This is my second year completed on August, if I'm not mistaken.
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The 16th, I think, I completed...
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That couldn't even get you an associate's degree.
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...completed my second year of research.
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I had never done this before.
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I'm very interested in the New World Order.
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Oh, no!
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What?
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Why do we always go there?
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And how it was involved with the governments.
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That was a really scary one for me.
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But then the secret projects came afterwards.
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So everything I'm researching now is only from what I'm finding.
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If I find UFOs, of course, I'm going to research space programs now.
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I did everything backwards.
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So I'm researching in depth a lot of the space programs.
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And it's scary because I'm finding a lot of the stuff of what's in the space programs.
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And maybe there's some similarities.
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It could be that I'm finding some far away evidence of a sign of maybe the space programs.
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That's right.
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Us.
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That's right.
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Yep.
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So I started looking at things I don't understand.
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And then I went to the people who do understand them.
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And I was like, that can't be right.
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So then I went to the people who don't understand them at all.
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And I decided that the secret space program is real.
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That makes sense.
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But your response is so right on in terms of like when you hear him be like,
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you know, this is I started to get into the Illuminati and the oh, God.
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All right.
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All right.
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OK.
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We were we were always going to get there sooner or later.
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I appreciate you being forthcoming with that information.
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But so we got one more clip of this dude, Bruce Cecil.
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Cecil and Bruce is all Bruce is Ali.
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I have that's fun.
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I have indicated a couple things that lead me to believe that this guy
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is not up and up in terms of like space science.
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How so?
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Well, I mean, perspective is the biggest of those eight more examples.
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I'll refer you to eight of his videos.
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How about that?
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But this next clip is deeply, deeply troubling on just like a understanding reality kind of basis.
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Oh, no.
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This actually may be a miked down clip just because not because it's so shocking,
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but because I really want you to understand what he's saying.
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Well, there have been some really odd things going on with the moon.
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And I guess it also has to do with maybe the axis that we're we're shifting the axis here on Earth,
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because the moon does not appear to be in the same place that it used to be.
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Exactly.
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And is it one of us shifting?
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Now I'm wondering, maybe the moon hasn't moved.
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This is just an assumption, hypothetically speaking.
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Maybe the moon hasn't moved and Earth is rocking back and we're going,
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oh, look at the moon leaving.
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You know, or we're both moving or maybe we're not moving.
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And the universe around us is going like this.
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It's scary even just thinking about the unbalance.
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Me, I have that in my head.
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It's like everything's spinning around, spinning around, spinning around.
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And you know how a penny, when it spins, it'll spin for almost a minute.
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But just before it stops, it starts going really, really, really, really fast.
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And I often say to myself, we're at that point in the universe, maybe,
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that we're at that fast wobble.
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Everything's speeding up and we're just on the tilt.
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Everything's about to go like turn or shift or people ask me,
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is the polar shift going to be in a day?
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I don't think so.
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It's probably maybe 20 years, 10 years, because we've been seeing it so long.
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Me for maybe 10, 15 years.
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Maybe I'm wrong.
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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When did you learn that the universe was moving?
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When did you learn first?
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The earth was moving.
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Second, the moon was moving around the earth, making them both move simultaneously.
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But at different rates of speed and patterns.
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Both of them also orbiting the sun.
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The sun itself, which orbits around the super massive black hole at the center of our galaxy.
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The galaxy itself, which is expanding as part of the universe,
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that is expanding at an exponential rate that we can't really understand.
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That we're explaining away with dark matter,
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which might as well just be saying like magic or whatever it is.
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The universe is always moving.
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It's moving.
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Why is that a question that he's asking?
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Why is he high as shit being like, what if the universe is moving, Dan?
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What is going on here?
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To answer your question, I think it was sophomore year of college
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because I had a prerequisite physics class that I had.
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It should have been sooner than that.
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It just wasn't something that really interested me all that much.
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Should have been sooner than that, Dan.
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I think I had the vague, I had the broad strokes before that.
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I want to say I learned that the universe was just moving and not just chilling out
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at like seven or eight years old.
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No, no, no.
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I was keenly aware of that.
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But in terms of the science of it, I got a little bit of the basics
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in a prerequisite physics class that I had to take with a guy who I think is named Dr. Mushroom,
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but I'm not entirely sure.
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My professor had a name that sounded a lot like Dr. Mushroom.
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Dr. Bruce Mushroomsall.
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I did not care to find out what his real name is,
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but I'm sure it's like mushroom or something like that.
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Right, right.
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It tickled me back then to know that it was Dr. Mushroom is teaching me about space.
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Yeah, that sounds fun.
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That sounds fun.
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So look, dude, dude, dude, dude, beyond the reality of stuff.
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Did he just, did he really just ask the question,
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maybe the universe is moving?
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You have to ask yourself, what is the dichotomy that's being presented by Carrie and Bruce?
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And what it is, is Carrie is saying the moon is moved.
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Now, if that were the case, disaster.
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The tides would be completely devastating.
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Like it would be much worse than what we're seeing.
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No, it would be far worse if the moon had not moved.
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Oh yeah, that too.
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That would be way worse.
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No, no, no.
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The moon is absolutely moving.
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Time out, Jordan.
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Time out.
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Because the moon not moving is the equivalent of the moon moving.
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Because the moon moving in her, what she's saying is the moon is moving in a way that
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is not what we would expect it to be.
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Okay.
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You know what I'm saying?
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All right.
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It's not where we would expect it to be based on our calculations and all that.
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Feel like his response is more similar to the moon is not moving.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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But that's why I'm saying the dichotomy.
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The other version is everything but the moon is moving, which is equally troubling and
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would have devastating consequences for the solar system.
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It would be a complete fuck all.
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Everything would be screwed.
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If either of these possibilities that they're suggesting were the case, we'd fucking know
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it by now for sure.
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The confidence that it takes to fly in the face of every brilliant group of people who
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have ever studied this ever, that's really astonishing.
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Especially when you have no education and you work at a bus station.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like the idea that you have a telescope and you're like, I've disproven all scientists.
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Yeah.
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Like, uh, calm down, man.
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Yeah, you, you really shouldn't be the equal of like Pliny the Elder 4,000 years after
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Pliny the Elder, you know?
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It's not, it's not a good look.
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Yeah.
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So this is where we leave Bruce and he goes and sparks up another bowl or whatever and
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gets, gets real introspective.
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What if the universe is moving, man?
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Right.
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What if it's not the weed that's burning, but I am the one that, all right.
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So he leaves and then we get a fucking unfortunate postscript from Carrie because she doesn't
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end the episode.
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Why doesn't she end the episode?
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I don't know exactly.
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I think maybe because she felt good about starting the episode without a guest and maybe
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she's like, eh, maybe I'll vamp a little bit here.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And unfortunately she reveals that things are not, all is not well in Camelot.
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I am trying to raise money to go see Captain Mark Richards again and do an interview with
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the interview.
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And this is a great time for me to do that interview because so much is happening and
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I want to run a lot of Eddie's information by him, see how he sees it and see what he's
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up to and what he understands about what's coming.
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I'll tell you what Mark's up to.
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He's in prison.
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Down the pike in the future here on planet earth from his perspective, from the-
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Mark, is the universe moving?
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Uh, yeah, no, totally, yeah, totally, totally.
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Only because of the raptors.
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Also, please put some money in my commissary.
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Raptors who he's in touch with as well.
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So that's a very worthwhile enterprise.
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If you can donate to Project Camelot, you just go to my website, projectcamelot.tv and
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click on the donate button and then it gives you several ways to donate.
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And if you just want to send money to my email address, you can do it that way.
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Look, I'm not mad at her for asking for money to support the work that she does.
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It would be very hypocritical of us to do that.
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No, totally.
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And I think that that is the new, I think that's the model that should be successful
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and all of us should-
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Either that or universal basic income.
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No, I think that's another part of it too.
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But I do think even with universal basic income, which should absolutely, and everyone should
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have the right to housing, and we should abolish prisons.
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Yeah!
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All of that aside, I do think that a successful model for entertainment and that sort of thing
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is, do you like this thing?
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Give them a couple bucks in a subscription format that allows them to be able to create
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the thing that you like, which is what they like to do.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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I sincerely don't and even though I think Carrie is stupid as shit and unfortunately
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pushing a lot of really dangerous stuff into the world, whether it's Eddie Page saying
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that racism is totally cool, or a lot of these people who are hypothetical aliens being weirdly
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into Russia also-
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Happens.
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Or just like sort of dangerous flippancy and anti-science views.
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Yeah.
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Those sorts of things.
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I hate it, but I still, I'm not going to be mad at her for being like, if you like what
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I do, please support it.
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I am going to say, hey, what does it cost to go visit someone in prison?
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I really was thinking that exact same thing, like, wait, why are you trying to raise money
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to go, hey, you have enough money to book a flight.
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It doesn't take-
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It doesn't take a flight.
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She lives in California.
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He's in Vacaville prison.
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She can drive there.
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Wait, where does she live?
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She lives in California.
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I don't know, LA.
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I don't know exactly where, but she's in California.
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She can drive like at most, I've driven down the California coast, at most like four or
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five hours.
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At most, yes.
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Yeah, maybe it costs something to have a hotel, get a fucking Motel 6, 60 bucks for the night
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or whatever.
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You know, it doesn't-
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Carrie is not staying in a Motel 6.
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They're run by raptors.
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Well, then that's on her.
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You know what I'm saying?
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No, I mean, she doesn't want to be CIA raptored out of existence, Dan.
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The way she's framing it is gross because if it is like, hey, if you want me to go and
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do this as a bonus, you can support that.
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That kind of feels better, but the idea of like, I need money to do this is gross because
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it doesn't cost anything.
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It doesn't cost much.
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It costs a tank of gas and maybe a cheap hotel room.
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It's a guy in prison that's free.
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Hey, now on the other hand-
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No, no, no.
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The other hand is this.
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I think that there's a possibility that Mark is charging her to do interviews.
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I don't disagree with you.
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There's a chance that she needs money because interviewing him isn't free.
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She needs to put something in his commissary in order for him to agree to do an interview.
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Isn't that-
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So maybe there is a fee she's not talking about.
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Yeah, but that can't be legal.
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It's absolutely legal.
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I mean, it should be legal, but what could he be charging that would need her to-
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What do you mean?
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What is he charging?
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You could charge $500 in his commissary or something like that.
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That would be very easy to do if you're in prison.
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It's a version of extortion that people in prison can do.
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I did not know that.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I know you can put it in the commissary.
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I apologize for not having enough friends in prison.
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Dude, there's like a whole thing in prison.
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I have some friends in prison, but not ones that I visit.
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I mean, in prison, one of the things that people do is extort other prisoners to get
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them to get their loved ones to put money in their commissary.
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Right.
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With the threat that they will hurt them if they don't do it.
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Well, of course.
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That's a thriving economy within prisons.
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Well, capitalism is great.
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Yeah.
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There's a documentary that Louis Thoreau did.
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I believe it was about San Quentin.
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He went and he was talking to all these people.
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There's this one terrifying prisoner that I still think about very frequently.
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It's very half-azzard, that documentary.
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Dude, it's terrifying.
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There's this guy, and he explains that the prison mentality for him and everyone he knows,
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they call it Gabos, that's the game ain't based on sympathy, which is the idea that
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I will extort you.
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I will do everything.
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I don't give a shit about your humanity.
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Sympathy doesn't come into this.
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So I don't necessarily think that Mark Richards is shaking down people or anything like that,
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but he's got a fish on the line here.
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Carrie is his fish in terms of being able to be like, I will tell you more about the
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secret space program if you give me money, because I need that to do all my...
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I need to get toilet paper or whatever.
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There's a sympathetic way to...
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At the same time, it's also a way to get cachet and all of that stuff in prison.
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Yeah.
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So I think that that clip to me is indicating that there might be more going on here than
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is.
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Which somehow makes, of all people, Mark Richards the only rational actor in this entire situation.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, it's horrible, but yeah.
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Yeah, he's the only one whose actions make sense.
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It kind of puts things in a more reasonable frame.
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What is he doing?
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Oh, he's extorting, Carrie.
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Yeah, we've often said that he was just like, he's a bored dude in prison, but it makes
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way more sense for him to be like, yeah, I'll do an interview where I'll say all kinds of
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crazy shit to you for a grand.
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Yeah, I could see that very easily.
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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So that clip kind of brought that thought into my mind, which is interesting.
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Yeah.
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It's certainly in line with a lot of these things that we're starting to find out about
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the guests on Jim Bakker's show.
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They come on with the understanding that they're going to sell Jim Bakker 5,000 books, and
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he's going to sell them.
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Yeah.
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And I believe that there's certain arrangements like that with Alex Jones, although I can't
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prove that.
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I do think that there are similar things going on with Alex's like consignment deals that
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he has with guests.
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Yeah.
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So I think that there is a much more nuanced economy behind these programs than we really
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realize.
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Now, unfortunately.
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Well, the reason that we don't really understand these economies is because we don't do them.
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No.
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Like we would be bad at it.
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Terrible.
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Oh, yeah.
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And also all of these people are liars.
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So they all hide what they're actually doing.
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Of course.
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For the interest of putting on a good public face.
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That would be fun if we did that.
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And then the first thing we say to like anybody that we interview is just like, hey, we bought
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5,000 of this guy's book.
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We hope you guys buy it.
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We're going to mark it up in order to get our cut of the profits.
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Sure.
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Anyways, let's begin the interview.
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And the guy's like, you aren't supposed to do that part.
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That's why I had to cut out 10 minutes at the beginning of that Mike Kaplan interview.
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Mike, we're going to sell your seat.
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That did not happen.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So look, it gets worse because Kerry goes on to say something else that leads me to
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believe that, again, all is not well in Camelot.
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Basically, we just need money to operate.
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I wasn't able to pay my webmaster last week.
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We've been actually really down and out financially because
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I didn't make some of the money I was supposed to make over the summer.
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So I laid out a bunch of money on my credit cards to travel and so on and so forth.
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So if you can help out, even a little bit helps and that would be appreciated.
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Kerry's falling into debt.
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Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, do you remember when you got scammed by that guy to the tune of
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hundreds of thousands of dollars?
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I mean, tens of thousands, I think.
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Tens of thousands of dollars.
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Tens of thousands of dollars.
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Yeah.
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And then...
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Sean David Morton.
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Then you didn't even blame him?
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No, he was on the up and up.
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It wasn't his fault.
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God damn it, Kerry.
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I don't want to be the guy who says, you got this coming.
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But he got this coming.
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And you know that money that she didn't have this summer?
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You know why?
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It's because she didn't pay her taxes last year.
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Of course she didn't.
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Do you remember that?
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Why would she?
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She was posting about how she needed a bunch of money because she owed back taxes.
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I did not remember that.
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Yeah, that happened after tax season this year.
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I mean, it's tragic.
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I feel bad about it, but this all makes sense.
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And now she is advertising a trip to Egypt, though she will take people and show them
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around Egypt.
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$3,550 for this trip around Egypt.
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Flight not included.
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Oh, well, the tickets to get to Egypt are pretty expensive, Dan.
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Right, right.
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That's like, I don't know, for a flight that you're not in a dog cage under the belly
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of the plane, that's like $7,800 at least.
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Flight not included.
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$3,550.
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$7,800 at least.
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And you also have to pay for meals other than breakfast.
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But breakfast is covered because she's assuming that you'll be in a hotel and they'll have
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a continental breakfast that you have to pay for your other meals.
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It's basically just like you go.
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She doesn't cover your hotel?
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I think it's unclear from the, like, I read the itinerary and what's covered, what's
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not.
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It's kind of unclear.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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Let's just call it amenities not included.
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A four-day five-star cruise is included.
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That is nice.
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So there's that.
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I like a four-day five-star cruise.
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Right, that might be worth $3,500 probably.
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I don't fucking know.
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I doubt it.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, this is bad.
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I feel bad for her, but I also don't because...
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Man, it's fascinating.
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We're the people that we regularly cover.
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Broke.
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Alex and Kerry now.
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Broke as fuck.
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Alex is a multi-level marketing guy.
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Kerry is in debt now.
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Yeah.
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She had to put traveling on her credit cards.
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She maxed out her credit cards with going to Egypt.
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Right.
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Okay, so we have one more clip, and this actually makes me feel much less pity for her.
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We've got some other shows coming up.
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I am still inviting Isaac Cappie to come on the show.
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I was hoping to have him on tomorrow.
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No, don't do that.
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So stay tuned in case that happens.
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He's the one who is kind of a whistleblower talking about the pedophilia in Hollywood
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and all of that.
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So it will be great when he gets around to coming on my show.
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Isaac Cappie.
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Wait, it's that fucking guy?
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The guy who said that...
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It's for real Isaac Cappie.
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The guy who said that Seth Green wanted to talk to him about chicken,
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and that means that he's a pedophile.
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Yep.
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The guy who was on Alex Jones' show.
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Wait, how is Isaac Cappie going to go on Project...
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Do they have a conference?
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Do they hang out?
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What do you mean?
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I mean, does the producer of Project Camelot like...
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That's Kerry.
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She doesn't have a team.
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I apologize.
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Oh, by the way, I forgot to bring this up.
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In that last clip, she was talking about her webmaster not being able to pay him.
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The last time we did an episode about Eddie Page.
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On that episode, she's talking about how her webmaster disappeared
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and that she needed to get a replacement webmaster.
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And she does not talk about it in the context of, I couldn't pay him.
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But that's clearly what was going on.
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In the middle of the show, Eddie Page is like,
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that webmaster disappearing is probably the man trying to come down on you.
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And she was like, yeah, probably.
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So she was presenting it as a thing where it's like,
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this is an attack from the would-be globalists
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or secret space program or whatever she would call it.
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She couldn't pay him.
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It turns out...
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There's a very concrete explanation for everything that she pretends.
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It turns out he didn't want to work for free.
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Right.
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There's a concrete explanation for everything that she's claiming is some sort of attack.
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In the same way that she was like, there's some sort of weird cyber weapon coming at me.
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You had Bell's Palsy.
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It went away.
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Thank God it did.
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But stop it.
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Stop with this bullshit.
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I understand that it's tough out there.
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It's tough.
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It is tough out there.
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It's tough to make money when you're doing something.
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I get that.
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I'm nothing.
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No, you get that.
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I'm nothing but empathetic.
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I absolutely am.
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You gotta stop lying.
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And you cannot have Isaac Cappie on your fucking show.
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You can't have him on.
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He's just a fucking nothing.
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No, he's a con man.
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He's not even that.
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Yeah, he is.
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Well, he's a sensationalist, dangerous,
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minimizing of pedophilia.
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He's an act.
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He's a failed actor.
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Fuck you.
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He's a whistleblower.
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Yeah, that's how bad an actor he is.
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He's not even good at acting like he's a whistleblower.
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He's a bad.
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He's a bad faith actor.
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He's a bad actor.
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Good enough to get on Project Camelot and the Alex Jones show.
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God, I swear.
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Is that what it's called now?
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What?
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I wonder if he could rebrand.
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The Alex Jones show?
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Yeah, instead do like a daytime talk show like Megyn Kelly.
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What if he went to the Megyn Kelly route?
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He does a daytime talk show.
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He talks to Dr. Phil all the time.
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It'd be great.
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Yeah, I mean, he already called this show the final edition
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back in the day.
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It would be nice to have a new flair to it.
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But who gives a shit?
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Anyway, what is up with this pregnant mom who had six kids?
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Probably aliens.
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Gotta talk to Alex Jones.
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Well, we got a lie detector test to see if it's aliens.
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Results are in.
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It's an alien.
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And how goes why?
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So Jordan, this brings us to the end of this project.
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Camelot dalliance, I guess.
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This was fun for me on a number of levels because this guy...
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I mean, he's not even crazy in the crazy way.
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He's just bad.
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He just doesn't know what he's talking about
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and has managed to trick a couple hundred people.
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And that gives him enough credibility
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to come on Carrie's program.
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And he doesn't say anything too offensive to her worldview.
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So she goes along with it quite well.
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I would argue that at the end of this podcast,
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I put him squarely on the stupid end
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of the stupid slash evil continuum.
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But what about that part where he threatens people?
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That's kind of a function of stupidity.
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Yeah, that's a dumb person thing to do.
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Yeah, rage and anger are kind of dumb expressions.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know, man, it's hard.
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And he didn't write it.
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Like if he wrote a really threatening letter,
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like the Unabomber.
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That was well written.
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Yeah, yeah, it was complete with a series of steps
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that he would take.
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That's a different story than a guy who
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it might as well be tweeting angrily on his phone.
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Or like if he found personal information
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about those people, like that would be scarier,
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but also indicate higher intelligence.
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Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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Uh, yeah, yeah.
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The smartest thing to do would just be
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to blow their studio up or whatever
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without any evidence that it was you.
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I mean, we got to it too early, I think,
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with like the idea of like he doesn't understand perspective.
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But like that to me is absolutely,
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makes me on your side in terms of stupid.
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Oh, yeah.
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But I do still think he's a con man, for sure.
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But maybe not as robust a career of one yet.
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Right.
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But who knows what he will blossom into?
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He's got work to do, but I think he's got,
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yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I was terrible at stand up when I was only two years old.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah, you got, it takes at least 10 years before-
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You don't even have a couple minutes on stage
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at two years.
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I'm still three years away from being good.
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Speaking of which, tonight, as this episode comes out-
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Oh, yeah, I'm going to be at Zany's in Rosemont.
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I'll be there from Wednesday or tonight until Sunday.
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If any policy wonks want to come out and check out the show,
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they should do that.
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Find a way to get free tickets.
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Sneak in the back door.
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It's not hard.
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Yeah.
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Also, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
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Indeed we do.
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What if you wanted to find us on the Twitter machine?
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At knowledge underscore fight.
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Okay, now, we only do one social network, I assume, right?
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There's no other social network that we're on, right?
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Jordan, I have big news for you.
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What?
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We are also on Facebook.
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When did we do that?
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We've been on there for a while.
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Oh, okay.
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We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother.
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You're brilliant.
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It's where everyone should go.
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I mean, if you want to like the page, that's great.
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And if you want to leave a review on the page,
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we would appreciate that quite a bit.
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Also, because Facebook is a fucking pile of shit.
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They changed everything up.
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We had a bunch of reviews on our Facebook page.
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We had something like 60-something reviews.
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All five stars, except for two assholes who sent me threatening messages,
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who are clearly Info Wars fans, and bitterly posted one star.
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But the rest of it was great.
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It was this nice collection of things.
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And now Facebook has changed it to recommendations.
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So you don't leave stars anymore.
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You just, would you recommend this to your friends?
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So they've changed the entire thing into a thing where it's like,
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if you know that if you click that, it's going to post it on your fucking page.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So they're trying to make it more intrusive to like a page.
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So never mind.
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Fuck it.
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Don't even do that.
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Just join the group.
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Yeah, that's what's important.
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It's fun.
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It's why I don't have, I don't have a Facebook anymore.
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So I like to lurk in there just like as a random stranger.
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So it's fun.
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Also, you need to do a second run through the Pokemon Go.
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Through the Pokemon Go?
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There's more have been added that I think they'll feel left out.
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They'll feel left out?
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If you don't, if you don't add them.
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I was, I, when the original thread happened, I tried to add everybody.
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So I'll keep jumping in there.
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I'll keep jumping in there.
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A lot of people want to play Pokemon Go with you, which is great.
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It's fun.
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We're also on iTunes.
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Indeed we are.
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In various places.
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Dan, you know, there's just one thing that's been in the back of my mind through this whole
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episode, which is that Bruce sees all should have seen at least one thing.
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Well, the set of things that is described by the word all.
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Yeah.
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We're here to see all.
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There are a number of things he would see.
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But there's at least one thing that he would have seen.
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Certainly.
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That would be really important.
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Right.
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There would be me making eggs this morning.
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He would have seen that.
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Are you sure?
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Yep.
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That's one of the things he would have seen.
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Another thing is he would have seen that Alex Jones probably killed a dude.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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