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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Dan?
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What was the last, uh, Broadway play you saw?
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Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, none.
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I've never seen a Broadway play, although I wasn't-
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Not even like a high school, like-
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That's not a Broadway play.
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I, but they do Broadway plays sometime, right?
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I think I saw-
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What is a Broadway play?
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It's gotta be on Broadway.
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I, without, I don't hold by that, I think that's racist.
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I saw South Pacific, I saw my high school, Hickman High School in Columbia, Missouri, they did a version of South Pacific, and I saw that and I was underwhelmed.
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Yeah, not good.
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Before that I was in a drama class though.
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Right.
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And I did do one musical, uh, before-
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What was your part?
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I played the lead in a, uh, this is not, this is off-off-Broadway, it was called We Has Jazz.
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What?
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H-A-Z-Z.
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No.
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It was about the history of jazz.
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Boo, hard pass.
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I played a kid named Riff who was super into jazz.
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You played a kid named Riff who was super into jazz?
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I did.
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Everyone had to play two parts though, because we were understaffed in this drama department at my junior high, and I also played Fats Waller.
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Alright, that sounds great.
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Yeah.
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That sounds great.
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I wanted to be Satchmo.
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It's probably better than that movie that was released last year with, uh, Gosling and, uh, yeah.
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It was a disaster.
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That movie sucked.
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No, no, I was talking about We Has Jazz.
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Right.
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The reviews were scathing.
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Scathing?
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Yes.
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Of a children's life?
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Uninspired.
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Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
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Although this lead kid does have the potential to one day host a podcast where he knows a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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That's amazing how that worked out.
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A very prescient but scathing review from my junior high musical.
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That is a good one.
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We gotta find that guy. Or gal.
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They say sooth.
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Um, I got out of that game, I'm glad I did, and now I'm here.
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Um, before we get into today's episode, I want to talk a little bit about the goings on in the world of Alex, because he's, uh...
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Still lost his mind.
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Oh boy.
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And today, we're recording this here on the 14th on Tuesday, and during the day today, he pretended that Infowars.com got taken down.
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Uh, what?
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Yup. He, uh, he put out, uh...
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He pretended that it got taken down?
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He, uh, yeah, because what he did is he tweeted that, like, the communists are coming after Infowars.com, so you gotta go to NewsWars and PrisonPlanet.com.
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Uh, and then Infowars.com became just a big thing that says Infowars is under attack and then links to his other sites.
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And it's like, if your site got taken down, there's no damn way it's just gonna be links to all of your other stuff.
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At least of which, why would the people taking your site down leave it up a, by the way, Infowars is under attack.
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Right, right. Hey, we don't want you to be able to do what you want with your site.
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That's what you would be doing if you took down his servers or whatever.
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Right.
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But because we're so conscientious and courteous, we'll allow you to redirect traffic to exactly the places you want it to go.
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Perfect. Perfect.
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That's a very kind thing for people to do whenever they're taking down a website.
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So thoughtful.
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Link to the same website elsewhere.
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It really undoes the move of taking down someone's website.
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It kinda does.
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Um, I would say that I have zero doubt that this is all fake and it's all a big PR stunt or whatever.
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Of course. Of course.
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I don't think it's working very well because all I've seen is, you know, people tweeting and being like,
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ha ha, this is so fake.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and that's so...
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Yeah, that's lame.
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It's very lame.
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That's lame.
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It's very lame.
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He should have gone, if you're gonna pull the hoax, go fucking pull the hoax.
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Go 404 not found.
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Yeah, don't half-ass it.
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Right, right. Yeah, absolutely. It's kinda sad.
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But it is the natural progression of where he wants to take the narrative.
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Yeah.
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But the world isn't going there.
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Because the world is really just like, hey, you suck, we don't want you places.
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Right.
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And some companies have responded and Twitter hasn't.
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You know, so there are, that's all it is.
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He wants it to be like they're all coordinated against me.
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It's like, no, these are companies that have all made their own decisions.
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Right.
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You know, like, uh, just the other day, Vimeo said nah.
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Yeah, that's good for them.
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So now he's down to Daily Motion, perhaps, or GIFs.
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He could post GIFs of his show.
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It is eerily reminiscent of a man exiled from a village and yet still allowed to have a bullhorn.
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Right.
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Like, that's what him being on Twitter is.
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He's like 20 yards outside the village.
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Everybody is fine ignoring him, but he's just out there going like, you guys suck.
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Well, he has that broken bullhorn, Tyranny Crusher 2.
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Oh, that's true. He's got Tyranny Crusher 2.
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So he has that because that wasn't able to sell on eBay.
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As far as we know.
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If we can find it.
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Oh, man.
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I want it.
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I want it bad.
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Imagine that.
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Imagine that.
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How many more song titles do you want to throw in a row?
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I want it bad.
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Imagine that.
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What else we got?
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We has jazz.
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So, uh, Jordan, we're gonna get to today's episode, but before we do,
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I'd like to give a shout out to someone who came in, uh, donating to the podcast.
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And we're very thrilled about this coming in at a, uh, at a technocrat level.
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What?
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This is very exciting.
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We appreciate it so much.
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So I'd like to give a very special shout out to Nicholas.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Nicholas.
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Thank you so much, Nicholas.
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We appreciate it very much.
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And if you would like to support the show, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,
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clicking support the show button.
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We would appreciate it very much.
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Jordan, today, we are going to take a little break from Alex Jones because he is in his
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own world and I don't really care about his scrambling, trying to keep his head above
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water.
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We've already covered it in two episodes and 2009's plugging along.
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We'll have some updates on that in the very near future.
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But for now, I feel like you and I are probably both a little bit exhausted by Alex.
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Thank God, Dad.
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And so one of the things that I needed to do, especially today, because I had a pretty
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booked up day in terms of having to run around the city all over the place on some errands,
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had therapy today, you know, so I didn't have as much time as I would have liked.
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So I hit that old panic button.
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I went to go check out what Carrie Cassidy has for us.
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I'm not sure how crashing an airline closes a gate and I'm afraid I didn't actually
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ask him the logistics of this.
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Although now I wish I had.
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Should have asked.
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Should have asked.
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Well, wait, is this one of the old Mark Richards ones?
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This is.
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This isn't a sequel to the...
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Okay.
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We don't have any new Mark Richards, but it's all new to us.
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Of course.
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Because we haven't heard these.
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And I went back and there were...
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Let me be fucking totally clear with you.
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Yeah.
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I wasted a lot of time watching bad episodes of Project Camelot.
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I imagine so.
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There were a couple that I don't even like, I thought there was one where she was talking
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about Bilderberg and I'm like, oh, great.
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Yeah.
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Wouldn't this be great to draw the stark parallels between her and Alex Jones?
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Exactly.
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And it was too boring.
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It's not worth going over an episode, but suffice to say, she's scared of Bilderberg too.
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Who isn't?
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Yay.
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So there's that.
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And then there was one where she's interviewing Infowars guest Leo Zagami,
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the guy who pretends that he's a big Vatican insider.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that was too boring.
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So I spent a lot of time trying to find something.
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He does have a great flamboyant accent, though.
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He does.
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It's fantastic.
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He's great.
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But I spent too much wasted time on that.
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And I'm like, you know who never disappoints?
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Mark fucking Richards.
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And I realized there's at least three of the episodes that we have not even touched.
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Perfect.
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So today I went back and this is the fourth trip that she went to go visit him.
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I believe this was two years ago, maybe or so, 2016, somewhere in there.
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But she's gone and spent some time with Mark Richards.
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For those of you who don't know, please go back and listen to the Mark Richards episodes.
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They're some of the finest episodes we'll ever make.
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But the short version of it, he's a crazy dude who orchestrated a murder in California
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about 20-something years ago, give or take.
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And planned on turning San Francisco into a city-state protected by lasers.
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He did.
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He was going to turn it into his own kingdom, where he was the king, over a bunch of young
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kids who would be lords or something along those lines.
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It didn't work out.
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Great plan.
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He orchestrated this murder.
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He was found guilty of it.
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But Carrie Cassidy does not believe that because he has told her that he was off-world at the
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time.
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Off-world!
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He is part of the secret space program.
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And he was on a mission when the murder would have been committed.
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So he's got to be clean.
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He is crazy.
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And he tells Carrie some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life.
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She believes all of it.
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And it's nuts.
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Although we have now, upon further review of Project Camelot episodes, she may not be
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told as much as she says she's being told.
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And she may be more orchestrating what she wants to get out of it.
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The good news is, though, is we don't really need to worry about our
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really need to worry about our most recent Mark Richards episodes spoiling the story.
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Because it's bananas every time.
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It's all made up brand new.
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There's plenty of pieces within this episode that are fresh.
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That might as well be current in the timeline.
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They're reveals.
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But at the same time, too, I don't think we need to wrestle with the issue of scholarship
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or authorship on this.
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Who is it?
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Whose mind is bringing all this to the forefront?
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It really doesn't matter that much.
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No.
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And also, if she's coming up with this stuff, then what she thinks she's studying is crazy.
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So it's even more interesting if she is fucking around.
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It's interesting if this accomplice to murder is manipulating her.
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But it's also interesting if she's like, oh, this is probably what real space people do.
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They hang out with raptors and they kill you for chocolate.
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More fascinating still further, I would say.
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Perhaps because we don't know this and because she's not allowed to record it, she has never
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actually spoken to Mark Richards.
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Maybe she talked to him one time.
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And then from here on out, it's just become sixth sense kind of stuff.
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She's talking into the mirror saying that it's Mark Richards and just making all this
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bullshit up on her own.
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I've seen her in a parking lot that was allegedly the prison.
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But oh, well, that proves it.
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Never mind.
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Who knows?
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Joanne Richards might not even be married to this guy.
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Oh, shit.
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We got to find her.
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But you're right.
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They don't get to record things.
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And as always, when Caria goes to visit Mark Richards, she's got to tell you about how
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she had to write everything down.
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Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
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I'm here to talk about my recent interview with Captain Mark Richards of the secret space
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program.
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And I interviewed him around a week and a half ago.
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And so at this time, I'm going to do sort of a recall of everything that we talked about
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to the best of my ability.
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I should note that we had only a small pencil.
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It's quite a golf pencil and it runs out of ink.
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Huh?
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Wait, hold on.
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The pencil runs out of ink?
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Weird pencil.
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Interesting.
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Weird pencil.
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Interesting.
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Is it a tiny mechanical pencil and she's calling the graphite ink?
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I don't know.
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No, but how do you make a tiny mechanical pencil?
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I've never seen a tiny mechanical pencil.
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It's always the same size as other pencils.
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Like, is she talking about a golf pencil?
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That's what my mind goes to.
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Or how big are her hands?
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Have we ever seen her in physical relation to another human being?
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No.
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Is she a giant?
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She might be.
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But that would mean that like the books that she holds up are also giant.
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That's well, what else would giants read?
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I don't know if those are commercially available.
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Giant books.
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Yes, they might be, but to my knowledge, I haven't cruised all through Amazon.
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I don't know all that they offer, but that seems like it's a possibility.
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I don't know.
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But look, giant or not, she has a pencil with ink.
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We'll leave that aside.
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Sure.
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Probably just misspeaking and being a dick about it.
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I don't know if we can trust that, Dan.
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Well, see, here's another thing you can't trust.
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This is not the first time that Carrie tried to get over to the prison to interview Mark
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this time around.
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Okay.
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She meant to go previously to this, but something happened.
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What?
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Something nefarious.
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First of all, I want to say that about six months ago, I was prevented from making this
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trip.
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I was on the way there and I was hit by a scalar weapon.
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It froze part of my face or the half of the face and looked like Bill's palsy.
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But it did.
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But I was...
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Did you have a stroke?
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Just woken up.
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I just woke up in the morning with it.
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I had nothing traumatic happen, so it was extremely strange and we don't exactly know
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what went on.
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You certainly don't.
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I think you just got Bell's palsy.
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Is she okay?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that happens to people.
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Like Jimmy Pardo has a story about how he got Bell's palsy and then it sort of went
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away.
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Is that a thing?
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Yeah, it does happen.
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What is Bell's palsy?
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It's like one half of your face will just go numb and you can't move it.
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Really?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I did not know that that was...
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I've heard Bell's...
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I'm not crazy.
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I've heard Bell's palsy said many a time.
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I thought it was like a disease, like Lou Gehrig's disease in the same way.
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There was a guy named Bell.
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I assume Alexander Graham Bell got it first because he spent too much time on the phone.
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And that tree apple hit him.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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Wait, what?
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No, that's Isaac Newton's palsy.
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Also, what's a tree apple?
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It's an apple from a tree.
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Versus a regular apple.
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I think of potatoes as ground apples.
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Ground potatoes.
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Oh, ground apples.
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Okay.
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Les pommes de terre in en français.
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Okay.
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The apples of the ground.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Come on.
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Wait, is that real?
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Yeah.
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What?
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Potatoes are called pommes de terre.
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Apples of the ground.
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All right.
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I'm done with you French people.
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We're out.
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Do we have any listeners in France?
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C'est mal.
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Oui.
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I've never spoken to any, but I'm sure we do.
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I see it come up in the analytics.
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Someone's listening in France.
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Anyway.
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Well, if you're listening in France, fucking get on it.
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Call somebody.
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Call your...
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Call Macron.
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Tell him to change the name of potatoes to just like potatoes.
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Oh no, c'est très bien.
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Oh, come on.
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Also, choufleur is cauliflower.
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Oh, that sounds great.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I like that.
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Héricovert.
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Yeah, those are green beans.
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No, I get all of the words.
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I'm frustrated with the fact that the words don't mean what the thing is.
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I would argue that a potato is absolutely the apple of the ground.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.
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You ever wander around, see a potato, just bite into it?
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It's having a great day out there.
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What was the last time you wandered around and just took a bite out of a ground apple?
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Probably two weeks ago.
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Oh yeah?
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Oh yeah.
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A lot of ground apples in Chicago?
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I pill for the community gardens around here.
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Now that's not a bad idea.
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Yeah, just go in there.
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That's a way to cut costs.
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Nom nom nom nom.
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Just take a chomp on a potato.
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We gotta lower the overhead on this show, so you're eating ground potatoes.
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So I would argue that this wasn't a scalar weapon attack.
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This is Bell's palsy.
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This is Bell's palsy.
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Yeah.
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Or just something else, like you're saying.
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It could have been a mini stroke.
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She could have had a stroke.
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I feel bad, but at the same time, I don't see diminished capabilities in terms of her mental
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faculty or even physical, like from there to here or even before that.
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She seems like pretty much the same person throughout all of her videos, dating back
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like seven, eight years.
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So here's my next question.
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Did she go to a doctor?
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I don't know, man.
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Why would you go if you think it's a scalar weapon?
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I know, right?
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But I don't know everything about palsy, like Bell's palsy, but from what I understand,
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which is mostly based on Jimmy Pardo talking about it a lot, because he had to look into
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it and he went to doctors.
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When he talks about it, it is a sort of thing that can go away.
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Like in some cases it just goes away and in some cases it doesn't.
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Right.
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It's bad and scary, but if she didn't get any treatment or anything, it's possible that
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it would just resolve itself.
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So to me, I hear this and I'm like, you are really trying to make it seem like someone
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doesn't want you to go to talk to Mark Richards, when in reality, it's just something that
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happens to people of a certain age.
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Well, yeah, but that's such a big deal to me is whether or not she went to a doctor,
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because like, look, you can believe all the conspiracy theories you want, but if you go
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to a doctor after that kind of a thing, then you're full of shit.
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You're a fucking liar.
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Live up to your bullshit.
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That's kind of, yeah, that's kind of fair, because it would imply a lack of trust in
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your own diagnosis if you went to go see somebody.
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Also, did Jimmy Pardo say Bell's palsy?
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Is that long for something?
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He did not.
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Okay, that would be great.
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So, you know, she couldn't get over there six months ago because of the scalar weapon
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attack, but she finally does get over to the prison.
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And it turns out there's a state of brouhaha going on in the prison.
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So one of the things I wanted to talk about was his current prison conditions.
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And his prison conditions when I was there was they had had a lockdown.
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Somebody had murdered their cellmate, if I have this right, and it was an incident that
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caused for a lockdown for several days, if not weeks.
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So that's unfortunate.
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That's real bad.
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Also, Mark is a murderer.
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I mean, I don't believe that.
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And yet at the same time, that seems terrifyingly common.
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So I could believe it.
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It's entirely possible that someone got shanked at the prison or something like that, and
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they were on lockdown.
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But I bet that not everybody was on lockdown.
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Maybe just the people who have been committed into prison for murder related offenses.
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Okay, so maybe the murderers were on lockdown on account of their murdering.
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Maybe.
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Or maybe Mark had a piece of this.
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Now, Dr. Phil says that past behavior is not a predictor of future events.
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So why would you punish Mark Richards?
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He only barely committed the one murder.
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Who says that?
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Who says that? Dr. Phil.
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I'm not going to listen to that guy.
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All right.
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Then like actual...
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I do think that people...
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Then like actual psychiatrist, not just him.
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I think that people can change.
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Don't get me wrong, but if there's a murderer in a prison, I'm going to make sure all the
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murderers are probably in their cells.
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You know what?
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That's prejudicial.
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Yeah, it is.
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Look, there's a lot.
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Do you not like stop and frisk?
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Same thing, huh?
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There's a lot.
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Racial profiling?
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Same thing.
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Just because you murder one guy, now you want to murder a bunch of guys?
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That's a false promise.
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I...
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Look, there's a lot I would like to change about the prison system.
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Don't get me wrong.
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I think it's a horrible system.
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Yep, yep.
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But that said, I am fine with the idea of generalizing that people who are willing to
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commit a murder probably...
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What's another one?
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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Especially people who believe themselves to be part of the secret space program who telepathically
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communicate with raptors.
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Well, see, then it wasn't even him.
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It was probably Minerva.
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She got pissed off.
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We are going to get into Minerva here.
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Oh, of course we are.
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I want to know how she's doing.
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But before we do that, we have to get a little bit more into the prison conditions.
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And this is nuts.
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This clip is...
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It paints a bleak picture.
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There's more to the prison story.
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I can tell you that right when I was there, Mark had had very little sleep for two days
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because they had given him a cellmate who was very dangerous.
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Mark was convinced he was sent there to kill him.
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He was someone who was saying he was not human.
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He would stare at the scar on his face and talk to it.
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So at this point, it sounds like Mark Richards has a cellmate who sounds quite a bit like
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him.
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You know, it's not like he's saying he's not human or whatever, but he's damn close.
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It sounds more like Mark Richards got some shit smuggled in and he's been on a meth high
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for a couple of nights.
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That's possible.
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Also, because this next part doesn't pass the smell test.
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And he wore a Hannibal Lecter mask.
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He was a younger man.
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I guess possibly larger than Mark, but Mark can handle himself.
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And ultimately petitioned to get that person moved.
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And so now he has a much better cellmate, I'm happy to say, because that situation was
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looking extremely dire.
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How are you going to get a Hannibal Lecter mask to recreationally wear around in prison?
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I feel like that might be something that the guards poo poo.
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They might say, nah, you are allowed one piece of flair.
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Everybody gets to choose.
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Some people wear a button, they get a novelty item, some item in order to make them feel
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comfortable.
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Some people have stuffed animals.
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I know a lot about the prison system, obviously.
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I don't think that Hannibal Lecter mask is going to pass that even criteria, even that
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that's like I would if I were the prison guard, I'd be like a little hacky.
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That would be your prison guard critique.
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You can do better.
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This is from a movie.
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Come up with something else menacing.
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You know, here's what it is.
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This is why you're in prison.
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You're not very creative.
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It could be.
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You probably ate somebody, but you did it in a lame way.
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Like, that's a retread.
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Didn't pair the wine correctly.
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I know, right?
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The fava beans.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, pathetic.
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Just another copycat killer, Dan.
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I don't I don't believe any of this, but I mean, that could just be my standard response
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to everything.
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So it's kind of boring for me just to repeatedly say, wait, no, I don't believe this.
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So hold on.
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Does this mean that this is when we meet our cellmate who is his no, no, no, no, his long
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time companion?
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Yeah, no, no.
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I think he's I don't think that guy was ever his cellmate.
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I think it's just another guy in the prison.
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Oh, just hanging out.
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I can't remember his name, but what we're talking about is Carrie has reported that
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there he has a lieutenant in the prison somewhere, which is her.
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Oh, oh, she does go on to say that there's some young kids at the prison who were willing
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to kill the cellmate for Mark.
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And he said, no, don't do that.
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And Carrie is like, that's proof that he's a great guy.
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I'm like, that might just be proof that he did that already.
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And that's why he's in prison.
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Yeah, that sure seems to echo the thing that he did.
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Yeah, so that's that's so it's so fascinating psychologically whenever we deal with Mark
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Richards is like everything he does is like him relitigating his past through the through
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the concept of make believe.
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Well, I mean, it's so much like in line with like basic psychology of like traumas from
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your childhood.
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You'll often try and replay out and have a better conclusion to them as you get older.
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If you unresolved issues, it's like somebody with an alcoholic dad would constantly be
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yeah, constantly ending up in relationships with alcoholics, trying to create a better
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outcome for it.
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And granted, that's not universal, but it's a pretty common trend.
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Yeah, especially with people who aren't involved in like recovery process, you know, of some
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sort therapy and whatever.
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But yeah, you just see this over and over again.
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So many of his fantasies do kind of involve things that are like, this is maybe an analogy
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for you.
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Yeah, this is you doing the stuff that you did in real life.
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But you're just saying it's raptors now.
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I mean, I guess.
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Yeah, that's that's more concerned.
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Like now I now I like the idea of him like going around recruiting kids and telling them
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not to murder people that he wants to murder as though like that.
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Well, see, I solved it.
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I wanted that guy dead, but I didn't even tell those kids to kill him.
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I told him not to.
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I'm such a great guy.
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I learned my lesson.
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Can I get out now?
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Yeah, no, no.
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But also, I didn't do it in the first place.
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So now that we've gotten through this bit of his prison conditions and what have you,
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it is now time to get into the wacky stuff that he told her.
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And he starts with talking about artificial intelligence satellites.
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One of the things we talked about was Black Knight and artificial intelligence.
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Black Knight was created by the British, according to Mark.
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When she said he got into Black Knight, I was like, please be the Martin Lawrence movie.
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Please be the Martin Lawrence movie.
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It's not all.
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And it has wiring in a sort of a in place, which is unusual for high tech instead of
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boards and slots.
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And that's why I don't quite understand.
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But he says the wiring in place makes it very low tech.
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It's much harder for the ETs and the artificial intelligence out there to attack it.
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And other governments.
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And there are three of the these Black Knight satellites out there.
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The three is messed with.
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It gets what is called it gets an itch and sends a notice right away to the British authorities.
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There's no real further information about this, if you're curious, because I have no
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idea.
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That's it.
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He just says that three Black Knight artificial intelligence satellites out there doing God
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knows what.
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And then sometimes someone tickles them and the British know about it.
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That sounds right, though.
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It does.
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I buy it.
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It feels spiritually true.
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I like that the ETs are like, what wires?
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How do we break into that?
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It is strange.
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That part is also unexplained in any any meaningful way.
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I'm not sure what to think about it.
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Well, there is.
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Well, the thing is, they're not wireless.
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Sure.
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That's why.
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So they're connected by landline.
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So that way they can't hack into them because there's not a wireless cord going all the
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way down to earth going all the way down to earth.
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And if you wander around far enough, you go.
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That's why Carrie's traveling all the time.
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She's trying to find one of those damn wires.
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Exactly.
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Pull down.
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Sooner or later, Black Knight just falls on top of your head.
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But because it's like powering such a large artificial intelligence satellite, it's a
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huge cable.
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So in reality, you can't pull it down, but you could shimmy up it and get all the way
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up.
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Yeah.
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And that's how Jack and the Beanstalk was originally.
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Yeah, the Tower of Babel.
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All of these things.
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All of them.
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Toss them all in there.
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So this is this is silly.
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I'm not sure what else to say about it because she doesn't really give anything to talk about
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other than there's wires.
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I'm a big fan of when she gets a blanket statement and then just does not ask a follow up.
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Just like apparently there are three artificially intelligent satellites that are, I don't
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know, from the 70s.
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And when they get a little, they send a signal.
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They get an itch.
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But now that I'm back in the studio, I realize I should have asked a question because now
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I'm curious about this.
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As I'm saying, how is it that she's not curious when she's talking to Starstruck?
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Oh, OK.
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That's possible.
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That's possible.
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So, Jordan.
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You might know about science fiction.
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Do you know about science fiction?
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I've heard of it.
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Do you know that it's the dreams of men?
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I've heard that Dune is a pretty great talking about Herbert's Dune.
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I'm talking about Frank Herbert's Dune.
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I was not his son, Brian Herbert's bullshit.
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That sucked.
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Let me tell you about.
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OK, never mind.
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I don't think that Frank Herbert or his son are going to come up.
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But a very notable science fiction author comes up in Mark Richard's narrative as a
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mob later.
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Oh, yeah.
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Kay Dick was recruited by Mark's father, the Dutchman, and he was then given information
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to augment his sci fi stories.
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And this was to reveal what's going on in the secret space program.
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Apparently, there are several other sci fi authors who were the same thing happened to.
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Oftentimes, they do regret signing a security oath, however.
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That makes sense.
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This checks out.
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So why, why would you regret signing a security oath?
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Well, because then you can't come out and say like, this is what happened.
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I can't tell the truth.
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And then you become plagued with insecurities and fears.
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So I don't know.
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But if you're a successful science fiction author, you'd be you'd be like, I'm kind of
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fine with this.
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And if you're Philip K.
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Dick, you're like, I'm doing drugs and having a great time.
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I'm so crazy that no one will believe me, even if I do say that kind of stuff.
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And I kind of am.
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Yeah.
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So like, I don't know.
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I've read a lot of Philip K.
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Dick is an author I enjoy quite a bit.
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And I don't I think it's degrading.
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He's all right.
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Oh, he has a lot of trash in his bibliography.
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But that's just because he's written like what, 40 something novels?
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He wrote a lot.
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Yeah, but so did Vonnegut.
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He didn't write too many shitty novels.
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What do you got?
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I don't know.
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I haven't studied his catalog nearly as much as Philip K.
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Dick's, but that's just because my dear buddy Nick Rowley was super into Philip K.
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Dick and I realized, hey, I've never read much of his stuff.
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So I decided I was going to jump in and read a whole bunch.
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And I don't think that I think it's degrading to art to use the arguments like this.
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Like someone couldn't possibly come up with these ideas.
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They had to be given to them by the secret space program in order to serve as like preemptive
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programming, right?
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Because further, I don't know if you've read a bunch of his stuff.
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I don't think it has anything to do a lot of the time with anything real or anything
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real in their world.
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You know, there's just like, I don't know, a man in the high castle.
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What does that have to do with the secret space program?
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I mean, clearly the Nazis started the secret space program and there's an alternate reality
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where the Nazis succeeded in creating the secret space program.
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But the ETs realized that we can't have the Nazis running everything.
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They'll go wild.
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So they showed Philip K. Dick the reality that could have been.
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And then they proved to him that they stopped it.
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And he had to tell that story.
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Otherwise, nobody would fucking know how great they were, Dan.
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All right, fine.
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What about Flow My Tears The Policeman Said?
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What about that one?
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Those tears were representative of the Pleiadians and how they wept at the...
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What did they weep about then?
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Cops?
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No, it's an artistic title.
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What about Yubik?
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You got anything on Yubik?
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I have never read Yubik, but I'll tell you right now.
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It sounds alien as fuck to me.
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I don't know what that word means.
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And I just think it's a bummer because I like...
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You're right.
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There's a lot of trash in there.
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But then things like those ones, like Flow My Tears The Policeman Said is amazing.
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Yubik is fucking fantastic.
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The three-stick motto of Palmer Eldritch.
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These are really great science fiction books that are fun and interesting.
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The ideas are interesting.
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And it's just so stupid for them to be sitting here and be like,
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yeah, that's all just because the Dutchman told them to write that.
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The Dutchman told them to do that.
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To me, I hear...
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It bums me out.
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I hear a certain amount of...
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They're angry at creative people because this is so uncreative.
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Exactly.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Just like conservative assholes are,
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you usually wind up going back and finding out that they were shitty fucking comedians the whole time.
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Like all of this is them trying to say,
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no, my creativity in making up this shit is so much more interesting than your actual creativity
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in making up what you made up.
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You have to tear down Philip K. Dick in order to build up your own...
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All of his ideas were just reality.
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Mine are true creativity or whatever the fuck it is.
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I don't know.
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I suppose so.
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Also, I'll cop to it.
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I do think that the Secret Space Program is responsible for his first book,
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Gather Yourselves Together, because that one's not very good.
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And it's kind of just about fucking what?
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Yeah, I was going to say, what is Philip K. Dick's...
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It's interesting.
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Bibliography.
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A lot of repressed racism and repressed sexual desires.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if all of it is.
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The books that I listed, I don't think necessarily...
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The good ones don't necessarily have a ton.
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No, that's true.
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But like Gather Yourselves Together, that first book of his is really just about like,
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there's sort of an allegory of like the Garden of Eden kind of thing going on,
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but it's really just about whether or not this virgin dude's going to get to fuck.
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And then the consequences of fucking for the woman in the story.
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I mean, it's...
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Very of its time, as they say.
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You have to look at...
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It could be said it is of its time, Dan.
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You have to look at it through like, oh, he wrote this in 1949.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And at the same time, it's like, he wrote all these other crazy books about like space
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and all this weird druggy trippy stuff.
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This book is very, very basic.
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It's interesting to me.
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Well, that's that's C.S. Lewis's career, though.
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Like C.S. Lewis wrote a bunch of basic, boring, like a fucking history.
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Theological treatises.
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Yeah.
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And then he wrote this weird sci-fi trilogy.
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On a bet.
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Yeah.
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It was not great.
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I think it's good.
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It was all right.
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And it's a quintilegy.
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Did he wind up having five books on it?
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I think there's five or six in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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I was talking about This Silent Planet.
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Oh.
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Or, yeah, something along those lines.
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I was talking about The Silver Chair, Prince Caspian.
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That was not a sci-fi series.
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That was more fantasy.
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I think there's a blurred line between science fiction and fantasy.
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Now it's time to get into it.
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You're stepping into my world, son.
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I don't want to do this.
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I really don't want to do this.
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Fair, fair.
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There's few things I want less than to argue
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the demarcation line between science fiction and fantasy.
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Well, they're all the dreams of men.
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Yes, absolutely.
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We can agree on that.
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Yeah.
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Also, go fuck yourself, Carrie and Mark Richards.
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Philip K. Dick just did a lot of drugs.
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So in this next clip, we hear something that in the 2016 era
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is a really common thread between the people we look at.
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And it's interesting to hear it with the gilding of space decorating it.
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OK.
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Putin seems to have changed his tactics recently.
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Really?
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Mark said that originally he was working with the reptoids.
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But it's possible that he's had a change of heart
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and started to realize that the reptoids are not to be trusted.
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Huh.
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Isn't it interesting that throughout just the entire spectrum of like,
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you know, Jim Baker isn't anti-Putin at all
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with the presentation that they are a Christian nation and what have you.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones is super on board with their nationalists now.
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They've changed.
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Right.
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You hear the exact same thing from Carrie.
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She's pro-Putin because they've changed.
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They're no longer with the reptoids.
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Yeah.
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You know, you can take that however you want to.
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But it's weird.
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All of these people, it's interesting.
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It's almost like they're all under the sway of some sort of PR machine
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being run by the Kremlin.
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I don't know if I've ever heard of Russian propaganda being successful.
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It's no, no.
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I don't think so.
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It only has colored all of history.
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I don't know, Dan, you say that.
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And then we go back to the 1870s.
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Yeah, at least that's that far back.
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It's pretty wild, man.
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I don't know what, I can't make a broad declaration about this
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because I don't know who the fuck would be caring about what Carrie Cassidy says.
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You know, like, I don't think that the Russian government necessarily
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is super interested in that.
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Like, well, we got to swing, sweary Carrie.
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But there is, there is something.
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There is something.
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I'm not sure what it is, but there's something going on.
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I think when you go through all of the stuff that we've talked about with Carrie,
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especially as, you know, as, as I pointed out before, she is racist towards her
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imaginary aliens.
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Right, right.
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You know, like there's a certain amount of, well, there's a certain amount of like
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Russia has a, what I mean, I, what would you call it?
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Like something similar to a white ethno state, right?
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None of it is, you know, what it, what it purports itself to be, what the propaganda
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says it is.
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But it is a, it is part of that, like, ideal to so many of these people of white nations
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for white people, black nations for black people, reptoids, get over here, raptoids,
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get over here, raptors, get over here.
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Like everybody just needs to stay away from each other and then problems will be solved.
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Reptoids should go back to their own planet.
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Exactly.
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That's like, that's one of the underpinnings I see from all of this support of Putin is
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not necessarily a Russia versus the United States and more like, let's make sure that
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things are ethnically cleansed, whether it be alien or a humanoid or whatever you want
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to fucking say.
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Well, and I think also that, like, most of these people probably, you know, I mean, we're
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all seeing people who are, you know, Caucasian, who are the people who are these mouthpieces,
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like a Carrie, like a Baker, like an Alex Jones.
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So I think that they've kind of realized they don't really have a lot to fear from
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Russia necessarily.
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No, white people don't have a lot to fear, period, unfortunately.
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They, well, especially in America, especially in America in the con game, there's not a
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lot really that's going to be all that threatened if Putin does continue to behave the way he
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is right on the global stage.
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Jim Baker is going to be fucking fine, right?
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He would have to switch to the Orthodox Church.
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That would be a little bit tougher for him.
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Yeah, the Russian Orthodox Church, a lot of rules there about scamming people, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I don't read anything about that.
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I feel like most religions have rules about scamming and they're pretty loose on it.
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I think I would argue towards the all.
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I think that's the nature of the scam is it works its way into wherever it goes.
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Rules be damned.
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And it calls everybody else a scam.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know exactly what to think about this.
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So I'm going to move on because, you know, Mark, at this point, we're going to learn
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a bit about the Dutchman here.
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Okay.
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I've always wanted more information about the Dutchman.
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You're not going to get it, but you'll hear something about him.
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I asked Mark about the recent book Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot and about the role
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of Dulles in the Kennedy assassination.
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And Mark says that he knew Dulles, that Dulles was friendly and protective originally towards
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Mark and his father, but changed his tone when he found out that Mark was siding with
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Kennedy and Mark and his father at that point became persona non grata.
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Mark had to have been 10 years old at the time.
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Maybe when JFK assassination happened, he could be a child, but he can't be over 60
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something.
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He was already, he was already being brought into the fold by the Dutchman though.
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The Dutchman was already training him.
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Right, right.
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So he's, he remembers it vividly.
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I can't imagine that Alan Dulles has that much skin in the game about what a 10 year
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old thinks about siding with JFK.
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I don't know.
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I know that Mark Richards, even as a boy, probably was one of the most capable, genius,
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brilliant prodigies.
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He was reading a hundred books on World War II by that time.
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Absolutely.
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I'll give him that.
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Maybe Dulles was like, this guy is Mark for greatness.
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By that, I mean, he's going to fucking help kill a guy and then end up in prison forever
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and then start lying about all this shit.
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But like, I just timeline problem be damned because again, we always talk about this.
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Yeah.
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You can just say don't worry about it.
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It doesn't matter.
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Don't worry about it.
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Time is a flat circle, Dan.
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Absolutely.
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I just think it's funny though that Alan Dulles is like, Hey man, you guys are cool.
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Wait, you like Kennedy?
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Straight up.
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I like imagining this conversation that she had with him because you know that she was
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like, um, I want to ask you about this book.
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Uh, and he's like, uh, yeah, I totally knew Dulles.
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Oh yeah.
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I knew him the whole time.
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Now we were good friends, but I'll tell you what Dulles did not like us whenever we did.
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What was it?
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Dulles was talking about.
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I don't know who he is.
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I mean, I know him.
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What were you talking about?
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Could you lead me on a little bit further?
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I would like to apologize to you, Jordan.
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What?
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I told you that Asimov was coming up, but I forgot to cut that clip.
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Uh, you son of a bitch.
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She talks about how Arthur C. Clark and Isaac Asimov were also people that the Dutchman
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gave information to and what have you, or at least were part of that program, given
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all this, uh, science.
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They banged the same students.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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Well then they also got the same, uh, secret space program stuff to build up their science
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fiction.
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And she goes on to say that she was supposed to interview Arthur C. Clark like right before
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he died.
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And, and she's speculating, she's speculating that the reason that he died when he did is
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because they were going to talk to Roger Cat a lot.
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Of course.
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Which again goes back to the scalar weapons shit.
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Sounds, sounds reasonable.
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Yeah.
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So sorry, I forgot to cut that clip.
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And also one where she explains that there's three types of men in black and they're all,
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and they're all bad.
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Oh, I thought they were all going to be different versions of Will Smith.
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The good guys dress in black.
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Remember that just in case we have her face to face and make contact.
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Right.
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All right.
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But that is not true.
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All right.
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All men in black are bad.
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All right, Dan.
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The movies are a lie.
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So now we jump back into the episode.
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Mark and the Dutchman knew Alan Dulles.
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They supported JFK.
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And in this next clip, I think Mark is heavily implying that aliens killed JFK.
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Okay.
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He also said that yes, they thought Johnson was the mastermind originally.
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And then they found out that Johnson was in essence upon and that Dulles was also upon
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and that it went much higher than either of them and that it was carried out and orchestrated
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by what is in essence about three different factions and on a much higher level.
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And that's all Mark would say about it.
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He said if he talked more about it or told what he really knew.
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I love that trump card.
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That he would end up in Leavenworth and the association there being that Leavenworth is
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a military prison with a much more dire circumstance than the sort of medium security prison that
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he's in at this time.
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Medium security prison.
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He's only in a medium security prison?
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You'd think they'd give you plenty of ink in that pencil when you're at a medium security.
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Put him in a private prison.
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That's the only reason that I'm, if Mark Richards was in a private prison, I'd be like, private
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prison, baby, aren't all that bad.
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I would say that put him in a prison where it's the same as it is now, but they allow
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cameras in, dammit.
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Cause I want, I want to see what this interview is.
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Oh my God.
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He would be an amazing, this would be a reality TV show.
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We need, I would watch, we need to start like a change.org petition.
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Get a camera in.
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They don't think they listen to those anymore.
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I'm pretty sure they let those go.
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Uh, but let's pretend they're real.
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Start one up, get a camera to Mark Richards.
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That's the only, that's the only solution here.
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I think I agree with you.
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Um, so that would ruin project Camelot.
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If, if they actually recorded their conversations, she would be like, I can't lie about this.
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What if he has a silly voice?
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What if this whole time she could have taken a camera in, but he has such a silly voice.
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It's like, no, no, one's going to believe your shit.
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Well, the rap toys are crawling all over the place.
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No, give me a pencil.
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Give me a pencil.
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This isn't going to play.
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The spider leadership is going crazy.
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He's just a clown.
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That's one, that's one possibility that I think is very strong.
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I would find it hard to believe that it could convince two teenagers to murder for it.
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If he was like, this guy owes me a thousand dollars.
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Not if he hit somebody with a hammer and then talk.
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Oh, and then little stars popped out.
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Little imaginary stars popped out of it.
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That voice is even more intimidating.
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If you see them do an assault or something like that.
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Like if you see them do a crime at that, they talk like that's like, oh shit.
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Oh no, oh no, this guy's a kingpin.
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Oh, you just broke your kneecaps.
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Oh no, you're terrifying.
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It turns into a Looney Tunes kind of thing.
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I don't know.
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I got no strings.
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All right, I got to stop.
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I'm going to do that voice forever now.
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Yeah, the Mark Richards.
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Lost my mind.
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It's a good Mark Richards impression.
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It's not a bad Mark Richards impression.
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So now we get into some aliens, what they're up to.
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What are they up to?
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He said the Draco's are working with the rap toys.
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He said the Draco's are more straightforward.
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If you're the enemy and they want something or you're in the way, they deal with you more
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directly and aggressively.
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I like to know where they stand.
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He said the reptoids who are human-raptor hybrids are more nefarious, but they are working
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together.
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He said the Draco's are also working with the Chinese.
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Undoubtedly.
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That tracks.
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Sure.
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So that means the reptoids are also working with the Chinese.
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If the raptors and the, or the reptoids and the Draco are working together and the Draco
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are working with the Chinese, logically speaking, they're all working together.
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This is silly.
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This is silly.
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Right, right.
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Now here's the implication there though.
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Once you add human blood to something, it becomes far less honest.
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Anytime you put a human being anywhere near something, it's like, I've got a plan.
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Well, the argument is that the raptors are the good ones who hang out with Mark Richards
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and steal chocolate from people.
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No human blood there.
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No, but yeah, you're right.
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Once you put the human blood in there, it becomes a reptoid and then it's evil.
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Now this is a morality play writ large.
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Yeah.
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That's what's going on here.
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I think it might be.
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We have a lot to learn from Mark Richards.
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And of course, I assume Shakespeare.
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He's trying to warn us about human nature.
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Yeah.
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I'd also like to say that this is another point of similarity in these worlds that the
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Chinese are working with evil aliens and the Chinese are big villains.
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So cool.
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That's interesting.
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It's to the point now where I halfway expect at some point for Mark Richards to be like,
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also, did you know that the Draco's vaginas are sideways?
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And you're like, oh no, I know what you're doing.
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I know what you're doing.
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Mark, do it in the southern voice.
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All right.
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I got you.
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No, I'm not doing that.
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Just some hack old man joke.
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Although I would like that to be the thing that's taken out.
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If we ever get like big enough to be right wing trolled and they're like, oh, you got
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to take these down.
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I want my voice saying all the reptoids vaginas are sideways to be the one clip that's taken
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out of context.
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I was going to talk over it, but I wanted to make sure they had a clean tape.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Absolutely.
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Cernovich, go for it.
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I'm all for it.
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I told you we were going to get a little update on Minerva and here's where that happens.
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Yeah.
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How's she doing?
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Is she handling it well?
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It doesn't sound good.
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Minerva, the craft that is artificially intelligent is still waiting for Mark.
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And apparently he's aware of that.
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And in touch with her, this is a biological artificial intelligence.
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And there are many ships like her out in the solar system and galaxies.
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Uh, but, uh, she is specifically, uh, I guess somewhere out there, but close enough where
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she's in touch or can be in touch with Mark.
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That's a sad existence.
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She's a, she's a conscious spacecraft and she's just hanging out waiting for this dude
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to finish his life sentence of prison.
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This is what I'm saying.
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This is the Futurama episode, Jurassic bark all over again.
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That dog loved Fry so much and he, he just disappeared.
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Minerva, of course, being immortal can wait a lot longer, but there are a lot of other
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dogs out there.
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It's true.
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How many of them were, would be loyal enough and would be filled with love enough to wait
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at Fry's pizza place this whole time.
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Right.
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That's probably, no, that's probably exactly what's going on with Minerva.
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And it's a tragic tale.
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Although later on, don't we find out that she breaks him out regularly and they still
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go joyriding every now and again?
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No, I don't think I don't know.
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Cause I think that's all like astral travel that he's doing or something like that.
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Oh, okay.
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I think we speculated that if you have all of this, you could break out of prison like
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that.
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I think that was one of our plans.
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Right, right, right, right.
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No, I think he just gets out of prison through brain stuff, remote viewing and shit, which
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if that's real prison is nothing.
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But Minerva's an artificial intelligence.
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She's not capable of reaching the brain space.
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She can't astrally project.
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Or, or.
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So even if he did go visit her, they couldn't communicate.
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No, because she's also a biological entity.
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Oh, that's true.
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Biological artificial intelligence.
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Good point.
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I retract my argument.
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Thank you.
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So, um, there's a crisis in the world of refugees.
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Um, I assume that not, we're not talking about actual refugees.
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We're not talking about Syria.
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We're talking about, uh, that's exactly what we're talking about.
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Oh, really?
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Mark, Mark has a, Mark has thoughts on that?
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He has a bleak take on this and I, I don't think this is, I, I wouldn't put a lot of
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stock into this one.
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Okay.
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Uh, he said the first wave of Syrian refugees that you heard about, of which there are around
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200,000, he said, maybe all the refugees there are because a lot of them never made it to
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their destinations.
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He said the rest were, and were rounded up and ended up on planets as, um, slaves or
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food basically for the reptoids.
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So don't need to worry about their refugee crisis.
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They've all been eaten by the reptoids by now.
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I don't know if that's better or worse than the reality.
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Um, it's worse.
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Um, you, you know, it's worse, but it's cowardly because what it is is like, wow, we don't
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need to worry about that.
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We only need to worry about 200,000.
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Right.
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It's the, it's the way of like pretending that the problem doesn't really exist.
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It's just like, oh yeah, the rest of them have been eaten by raptors.
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Who cares?
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The raptors do make it convenient though.
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It does make it seem like this isn't an ongoing crisis that people are being, uh, you know,
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right.
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Living with and surviving all the time.
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This was in 2016.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I assume it's all been fixed.
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By now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, it's two years later.
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We wouldn't see a single extra refugee.
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No, no, no.
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We let the, we, so like, it's great to be in the past where all of these problems have
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been solved and are certainly not ongoing issues.
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I might've misspoke when I said that he doesn't make specific claims because that one's pretty
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specific.
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That one's pretty fucking specific.
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Time has shown that to be inaccurate.
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That one's pretty fucking specific, Dan.
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So, um, now we move on to a museum that Kerry went to.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and, uh, science and industry.
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A little bit of information about, uh, a display she saw.
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Uh, we talked about the Anunnaki skeleton in London, uh, that I had seen this, uh, summer
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and taken a photo of, and I'm going to put that photo here, and he agreed that it wasn't
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due to a disease and that this was probably an authentic Anunnaki skeleton.
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And then in fact, it was perfectly healthy and good work.
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It was just being shown in plain sight.
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He said the British do that all the time.
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Those fucking British and have all kinds of, uh, you can't trust a goddamn word.
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No, no, but you, but you know what?
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This is a very famous skeleton.
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It's a guy named Charles burn.
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Yeah.
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And Anunnaki.
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No, he was a guy who lived from 1761 to 1783.
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Can't be sure he's an Anunnaki.
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He, uh, was, uh, just over seven foot, seven feet tall.
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The picture of the carry play is on the show.
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You can find the identical picture.
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And the only reason that this guy looks much bigger than seven foot seven is because they
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have it next to a smaller skeleton.
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So the perspective of it makes it look like he is like 10 feet tall or something like
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that.
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It's forced perspective.
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He's closer to the camera than the other skeleton.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Gotcha.
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Everything is known about this guy.
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Like, it's not like he's a mystery to, uh, to history or anything like that.
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It's not like, where did this giant skeleton come from?
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People know about who he is.
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And one of the really sad things is that he made it very clear during his life that when
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he died, he wanted to be buried at sea.
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He wanted to be sent to the ocean and against his wishes, people have put him on display
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at this museum, put his skeleton on display.
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So over the years, people have constantly tried to like start movements to honor his
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wishes posthumously.
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And they've generally gotten like pretty good public support, but somehow they've not to
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this day, not followed through and actually sent him to the water.
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You know what?
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I'm going to take this position.
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Uh, I don't give a shit.
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He's dead.
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You know what?
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It's like, if you told him when he was dying, we're totally going to bury you at sea and
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he felt better.
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And then he died.
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And then you showed a skeleton around.
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I'm fine with that.
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I don't really care.
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He's dead.
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Carrie believes in ghosts.
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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Fair enough.
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In the world of Project Camelot Land that we're dwelling in, his veins are still
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His vengeful spirit is probably not very happy.
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No, he's totally pissed.
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That for, you know, 220, 230 years, he's been on display and blocked at and turned into
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an Anunnaki by people like Carrie Cassidy.
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Right.
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Coming in and taking stupid pictures of him.
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But in the real world where ghosts don't exist and it's only oblivion after we die.
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If you, if I was dying and I was like, my last wish is don't remove my feet and then
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attach them to my skull with screws where my ears work.
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So make it look like two big feet here.
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Exactly.
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Don't do that.
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Then, and you just said to me, we will never do that.
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And then after I died, you did that.
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I don't care.
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I'm already dead.
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Who gives a fuck?
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I know that you can't care, but I don't actually think it's for the person who died.
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I think it's for the communal mental health.
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I think there's some sort of comfort that we can get in terms of feeling like we are
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helping honor the wishes of the deceased.
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That's why you have a wake.
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That's why you bury people.
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It's not for the dead person.
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It's for the community to heal and come together and stuff like that.
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So the idea of you not wanting your feet to be used as ears, which by the way is an absurd
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thing that no one would ever do.
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So I think you're in the clear there.
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Now my last wish is that people do it.
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Okay.
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Well then.
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I feel like that would make the community feel even better.
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Right.
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So then don't hold a funeral, screw my bone feet to my ear holes.
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Right.
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That's a better way to do it because that's an extreme thing.
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So now I don't care necessarily about your soul being at peace when I screw your ears
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onto your feet onto your ears.
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It's more about knowing that we are a part of the grand scheme.
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Right.
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It's something like that.
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It makes the people honoring the wish feel better.
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And I think there's a value to that.
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I respect that position.
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I don't think that's anything mysterious or ghostly.
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It's just about all of us feeling good as a community.
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You like to imagine that your wishes will be followed when you're dead.
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Whatever.
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Some people have feelings about it.
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Just because you don't doesn't mean that other people don't.
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No, I know.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I respect that position.
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I'm not going to try and tear it down.
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I'm just going to say, fuck it.
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Plus it also helps the community come to terms with mortality better because it's like, I
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will once, one day I will be in the position of this corpse.
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And so treating it with respect and honoring the living person who used to be in that body,
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you know, with respect, I think, I think there's value to it.
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Now by that same logic though, one day I will be in that position.
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And so far I have not seen any skeletons with their feet screwed to their skulls.
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Right.
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So it, frankly, it constantly makes me feel bad not to see that.
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This is not healing the community at all.
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This is hurting me.
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I take it as a personal affront.
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I don't follow.
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To not know that someday, I got nothing.
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Okay.
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All right.
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You know what though, uh, Carrie's got something.
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Okay.
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Of course.
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Jordan, let me ask you, I know that you.
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Yeah, sure.
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Ask me a question.
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You've been to Iceland.
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I have.
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It's delightful.
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Um, you've been, uh, you ever been to Spain?
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I've never been to Spain.
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I want to go.
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I would like to go to Spain.
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Although this next clip makes me less eager to go to Spain.
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He said, Spain is a very strange place that things often disappear there.
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And it's one of those places on earth where that happens.
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He said, uh, basically that means there's some kind of a dimensional rift in Spain.
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Is that what it means?
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I think Mark.
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Is that the only possible explanation?
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I think Mark might've misplaced something in Spain at some point.
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And he's like, God damn, everything disappears here.
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Or maybe he got mugged in Spain, something like that.
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And he's just trying to work into it.
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Everybody knows you lose one sock in the dryer from time to time.
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Sure.
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Spain.
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Spain.
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That's where they go.
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Things disappear.
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Things disappear in Spain.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's the best tourism, uh, advertisement slogan.
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Things disappear here.
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Oh shit.
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What?
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Let's go see it.
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We got to see what disappears there.
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Could be magical.
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It could be you.
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So we're about at the end of this here adventure.
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Uh, this, uh, this Mark Richards adventure, uh, a little bit of a shorter episode than
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usual, but I think that's good for everybody.
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Uh, especially us.
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Uh, but Jordan, I think I've solved the mystery of Mark Richards.
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I hate to break it to you.
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He is a murderer.
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Maybe not.
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What?
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I found one way.
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What?
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I found one.
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All right.
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All right.
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This is a premise that I want to hear.
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In this next clip, I found the one way that his story checks out and it doesn't, but this
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next clip.
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If it were, it would.
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This next clip gives me some sort of plausible deniability or something like that.
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It gives me, um, uh, uh, uh, I am not certain.
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I am certain of his guilt, but who cares?
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Anyway, he said there.
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Yes.
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He, he says there are multiple realities, alternative earths and parallel earths.
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He, as well as multiple timelines that he is aware of.
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He says that he thinks perhaps as far as this timeline that he may have actually landed
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in the wrong, uh, one.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That's the only way this story works.
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You know what?
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I buy that one.
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You're from a completely different world because on this earth you committed a murder.
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You murdered.
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Yeah.
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You murdered.
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So that also introduces the question of what, like, if you aren't that guy from this timeline,
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where's that guy?
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Did you merge with that guy?
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Fucking flying around with the cool fucking Minerva.
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So that guy murdered and then they switched, uh, timelines.
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Uh huh.
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All right.
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Like a, uh, like a 13 going on 30 scenario.
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That's really the only way that works.
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Yeah.
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Is if like now the murderer, Mark Richards is in the, uh, the secret space program guys
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timeline and he's stuck here.
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Holy shit.
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Did we just write the greatest movie ever made?
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I think we just did.
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I think Mark Richards did.
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By accident.
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Yeah.
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But because I don't believe anything he says, I know that this is just like,
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like a really convenient way to get out of any kind of inconsistencies in the story and
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stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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But it's brilliant.
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It's the, it's the next, it's the next best way to tell this story.
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Disregarding Mark Richards entirely.
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This is something I don't think we've ever really talked about.
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How do you feel about the multiverse theory?
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I'm fine with it.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, that was an interesting road.
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So we have a website.
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No, I mean, I don't know.
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What do you, what are you asking specifically?
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I don't know.
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Do you, uh, what do you, what do you think?
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Like as far as, as far as multiple universes go, as far as like your, uh, your, uh, uh,
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Heisenberg principles go, like, do you, do you accept the premise that there are multiple
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use, there are multiple timelines and they are infinite?
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Yeah.
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Every decision makes off branching paths and what have you.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I believe it, but I don't think it has any utility to my life.
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You know, like, I don't think that travel between them is possible or anything like
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that.
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Okay.
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I would be willing to believe.
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Yeah.
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That there are, cause I don't know what life is.
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You know what I mean?
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That's a good point.
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I'm sitting here with you and it's very weird that we're in physical bodies and that we're
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able to speak and that there's light and we live inside houses and there's liquid that
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we need to stay alive.
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And all of us have curiosities that guide us through, you know, passions in life, hobbies,
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career choices.
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Yeah.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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It's super weird and that the fact that we just go along with so many cultural traditions
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because they happened long before any of us were alive and everyone decided that is the
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way it should be.
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So we value money.
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And that's why we should ban burkas.
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Go about our lives just trying to gather up money in order to get resources and seems
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like a really silly game that we play, but we do anyway.
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I'm looking at my hand.
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I know that my hand is a part of my body.
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It's fucked up.
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It's very weird.
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The same way that multiverse stuff, it's very weird, but it doesn't help me.
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And it also doesn't help me to sit back and think about life like that.
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It doesn't?
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No.
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Why the hell are we doing this?
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You know, like that sort of thought.
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Isn't that sort of comforting in a way though?
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No.
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Because why the hell are we doing this is a question that can only be answered with
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why the hell aren't we doing this.
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So that situation of multiverses suggests to me a kind of Calvinist outlook where you're
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in your timeline regardless and your decisions don't actually matter because all of your
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decisions are already made and there are an infinite number of you who have already made
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all of those decisions.
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So isn't it kind of comforting to know that regardless of what it is you choose to do
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or are doing, it has already been done and decided and there's no reason to worry about
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it.
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That doesn't comfort me.
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It also doesn't freak me out or make me nervous, I would say.
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Okay.
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Because I don't need that to get me to why the hell not do something.
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Okay.
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Because I have a shortcut there.
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Which is just starting there.
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Yeah, good point.
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I don't need the work around to get myself inspired to do something.
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But I don't know, man.
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I think a lot of that abstract hypothetical stuff, I'm willing to believe any of it is
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true, but I just don't think it means anything to me.
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Like, I don't know.
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I imagine there's a lot of stuff that I imagine.
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That's a very practical way of viewing this.
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Well, I mean...
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I find that interesting.
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Give me an application where I could use it in my life and I'll gladly say it matters.
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All right.
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So here you are.
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You're at the grocery store.
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You are looking at all the cereal.
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What cereal do you choose?
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Depends on the mood I'm in.
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Right.
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So you're...
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I'll tell you which one I'm not choosing.
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That's honeycomb.
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Honeycomb can get out of here.
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But you do.
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Maybe Apple Jacks.
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What?
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Did you just wiggle your eyebrows at me?
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Apple Jacks are pretty good.
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Apple Jacks are pretty good.
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You know what?
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I haven't thought about Apple Jacks.
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Cheerios.
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Cheerios also pretty good.
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Yeah.
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Honey Nut.
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Honey Nut.
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Yeah, you can't go wrong with Honey Nut Cheerios.
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What are you getting at here?
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I'm just saying that isn't it comforting to know that in reality you have in fact chosen
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to eat all of those cereals?
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Hmm, no.
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I can answer that with a very clean no.
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Fair enough.
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Because in actual fact, I haven't.
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So it does not comfort me at all.
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Or well, but that's the opposite of the argument.
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In actual fact, you have.
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It's only in your reality that you haven't.
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Right.
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I don't identify with myself in other timelines.
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I feel like it only reinforces my belief that I am eating the cereal that I chose to know
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that all of me has chosen all of these cereals, but the me that is me has chosen the cereals
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that I chose.
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Right.
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Well, here's what I would say to that.
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Yes.
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So there's a guy in Bangladesh you've never met.
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His name is Kevin.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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There's a guy in Bangladesh that you have never fucking met.
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Right.
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We'll call him Kevin for the sake of argument.
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Yes.
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This guy is a stranger to you.
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Yeah.
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Do you feel any interest in what cereal he eats?
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I don't know.
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Don't you dare say yes.
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Don't you dare fucking say yes.
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I didn't until you asked the question and now I'm curious.
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You don't care at all.
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I do now.
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He is a complete.
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I want to know what Kevin from Bangladesh eats.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Yeah.
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He is a complete stranger, but you could go to Bangladesh and talk to him and then he
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is no longer a stranger and you could find out what cereals he's eating.
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In the same way, the me's in different timelines, complete strangers to me.
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I've never met these me's.
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All right.
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I don't care what cereal they're eating.
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It means nothing to me.
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If you are a listener from Bangladesh named Kevin, please call in.
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It's five three zero neon nip.
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Let me know what fucking cereal eat because I am interested.
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Probably lucky charms.
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It's delicious.
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They're not allowed lucky charms in Bangladesh.
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Oh no.
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Did you not know that?
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They outlawed freeze dried marshmallows.
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No, they outlawed rainbows.
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So look, all of this stuff.
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All right.
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Maybe I'm close minded, but I just don't see, I don't see what good there is other than
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fun things to think about.
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And I'm not against things just because they're only fun things to think about.
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Like I've talked to you a bunch about how I like to think about Atlantis and it's completely
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pointless, but I think in life you just choose the things that you want to think about that
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are outside of the realm of proving or outside the realm of being meaningful.
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And then whatever resonates with you, you go ahead and think about that.
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Only becomes a problem when you try and force it on other people where you act like it's
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actually concrete truth.
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Which you actually just undercut by saying that there's no possible way I could be interested
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in what Kevin from Bangladesh is eating.
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Definitely you are.
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The moment you asked me that question though, I did become interested in what cereal Kevin
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from Bangladesh is eating.
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No you didn't.
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I'm now really interested.
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One, what guy named Kevin is living in Bangladesh?
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Right.
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I want to know him.
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I want to know his story.
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How did he wind up in Bangladesh?
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Two, what cereals are available in Bangladesh?
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I don't know.
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This is very frustrating.
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And here's why you had every.
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I'm not.
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And here's the worst part.
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I'm really not trying to just rile you up.
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I'm genuinely now interested.
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If you would never ask me the question, if you would never ask me the question, are you
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interested?
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I would not be.
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I agree with your premise.
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You're still not.
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I do.
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No, you're not.
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I do.
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As long as I don't think about it.
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You are not interested in the least.
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You are not.
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I'm genuinely not doing this just to rile you up.
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I promise you.
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I'm not getting riled up, but I am steadfast in my belief that you don't care about cereal
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consumption in Bangladesh.
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I didn't until now.
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Now I want to know the statistics on cereal consumption in Bangladesh.
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If anybody can find us the Gallup data on that, please send it our way.
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So Jordan can get some of his possible questions.
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How's General Mills doing in Bangladesh?
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Can I also follow this up by saying that you get an answer to this and it doesn't change
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your life at all?
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Like that.
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I agree.
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You get an answer to this and it's not like it doesn't matter.
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So even if you are kind of curious about it, all it is is like, I wonder what cereals
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they have in Bangladesh.
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It doesn't mean anything towards like you and Kevin becoming closer.
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Not just that, but it would almost certainly be disappointing to know.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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It would be the greatest disappointment would be knowing what cereals...
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It's like seriously or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Grape nuts.
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Oh, sure.
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Actually, grape nuts are great.
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No, they're not.
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Uh, you're wrong.
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But yeah, it would be a complete disappointment to find out.
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Yeah.
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The mystery is what I'm interested in.
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And maybe that's why multiverse stuff is really fun to think about because it's a mystery
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that we'll never really crack into or most likely never will.
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Who knows?
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Well, there's only one way to find out.
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We gotta get Mark Richards out of prison.
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No, who was it that proposed this scenario of the logical conclusion to the cat in a
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box, you know, the 50-50 Schrodinger's cat is to sit in a chair and have a gun with a
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50-50 chance of having a bullet or not and pull the trigger again and again and again
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and again.
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And if you continue surviving to a certain extent, you can prove to yourself that there
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is no possibility that you are not just existing in whatever universe where you don't die.
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Yeah, let's not do that experiment.
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I know.
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Well, that's because the only person you can prove it to is you.
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But no, you couldn't prove that even to yourself because there's other rational explanations
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for why they didn't.
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Maybe the gun is jammed.
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Maybe there's some sort of a failure in the mechanism of the gun.
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There's all kinds of other things that could come into play.
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It's not like Lost where you can't kill yourself.
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Well, you need a controlled experiment.
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Right.
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All right, this is getting frustrating for you.
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I can see that.
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And probably for the listeners.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, we have a website.
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If you like the show, please do check out knowledgefight.com.
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That's where we are.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are also on Twitter.
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It's at Knowledge Under the Square, right?
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Correct.
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We're on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
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You can join a group.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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Correct.
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We'll also be back later in the week with a Alex Jones episode.
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But thank you for joining us on this Project Camelot vacation.
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For sure.
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If you liked this episode, don't worry.
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We do more of these.
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Sure.
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If you didn't like this episode, don't worry.
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We talk about Alex Jones a whole fucking lot.
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Although I will say at this point, the Project Camelot world is getting a little
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thin.
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I'm having to dig much deeper than I expected to find stuff that's any good.
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Yeah.
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When you mentioned that we were going back in time to listen to an old Mark Richards
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episode, I was like, she is not bringing the heat.
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Yeah.
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We've kind of hit like, we had an embarrassment of riches when we first showed up.
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We've hit bedrock.
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A little bit.
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I hope there's greener pastures to be found.
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But for now, I'm not sure there are.
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Someday.
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Jordan, at this point, I think it's your turn.
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No, it was my turn last time.
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All we've got, the problem with this episode is...
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No, I got it.
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We have few characters.
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I got it.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So I would like to say, there's only one person.
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I mean, Mark Richards, you're a very creative man.
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And I'm not going to begrudge you for a murder you committed 26 years ago.
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I'm not going to tell you to fuck yourself.
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Kerry, you get the Alex Jones pass.
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You're the host of this show.
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You didn't say anything weirdly racist this time around, so...
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Yeah, we've already told her to go fuck herself.
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Give you a little bit of a pass.
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Yeah.
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I would like to say Alan Dulles for turning on the Dutchman and the Dutchman's little baby boy.
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All because they supported JFK.
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You, sir, can go fuck yourself.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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