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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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What up?
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Dan!
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Hey, welcome back.
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Dan, if you were a prospective Supreme Court Justice nominee, and you're...
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Talking about Andrew Napolitano?
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I was thinking of him, I was actually thinking of Judge Jeanine.
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Judge Jeanine Pirro.
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Wapner.
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And everything that you thought ever was wrong.
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From the moment you were born to the present day, you are the dumbest motherfucking pile of garbage in the history of the world, right?
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But, you needed a podcast to bring you back to the correct form of thinking.
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Dan, what podcast would you recommend, and follow-up question, how would you describe it?
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I would say perhaps you should listen to Improv for Humans, starring Matt Besser.
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It's not a bad one.
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Because it'll kill some time with guys just fucking around.
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Very funny show with some good musical guests.
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See, there we go.
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Secondarily maybe I would say listen to Knowledge Fight, that's our show, where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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Oh man, glad to have you back.
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I was listening back to the episode that I did with Marty DeRosa, first of all.
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Great episode.
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Big thank you to him.
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For sure, thanks for filling in Marty, you're a delight.
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Nothing wrong with hanging out with him and having some fun talking about how maybe dumb Roddy Roddy Piper was.
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I was going over it and there were a bunch of times that there were, you know, it's just because Marty doesn't know as much about this world,
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there are parts where there's like something funny that you and I would have screamed about and just didn't get to scream.
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Like when he had his caller who was like, I married into the They Live family.
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That's right.
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If we'd heard that clip, it would have been outrageous.
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What? What?
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But this is my long way of saying I'm glad you're back.
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Marty's so much happier.
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He is.
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Than either of us, so you gotta give him that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I don't think there's a one to one there, but the correlation definitely suggests that there's something.
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He doesn't see fit to subject himself to this bullshit so constantly to the point where you're inundated with it and now have created a guard where things are funny.
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Oh yeah.
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I guess.
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Or infuriating or simultaneously both.
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Dismal.
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So today, Jordan, what I wanted to do is I wanted to, I didn't know what I wanted to do, to be honest, like in terms of an episode.
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Swery Carrie Cassidy hasn't put out any new work, so there's nothing really to talk about on the Project Camelot front.
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Right.
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I thought that it was too, you know, I feel like we do have an obligation to talk about present day stuff, and so I wanted to cover present day stuff.
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Yeah.
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But I got sidetracked listening to Monday's episode.
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I went down two roads that were useless.
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On Sunday, Alex Jones put out a special report where he responded to Joe Rogan responding to him.
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And I was just like, oh.
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Okay, good.
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I'm glad that your reaction is exactly the same as mine.
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Guys, just kiss already.
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Stop it.
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Stop this.
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What are you, feuding?
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How old are you people?
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I think Joe Rogan's trying to escape from the back and forth of it, but Alex doesn't want to because Alex, he knows that Joe Rogan's much more popular than that.
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Eh, he can go fuck himself.
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They can both go fuck themselves.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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I think that this is an alien predator situation.
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No matter who wins in this argument, we all lose.
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Humanity loses.
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And so I listened to that and I was just like, I was overwhelmed by how little I cared.
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Yeah.
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And so I was just like, we can't go over this.
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This is useless.
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Uh huh.
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And so then I was looking around and I saw that Monday's episode he had a guest on called Yo Mama's Chest Hair.
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That sounds promising.
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It sounds amazing.
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It sounds incredible.
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And so I listened and I was like, oh, this is just like a Hispanic blogger who likes Trump.
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This isn't good.
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I thought it was going to be something crazy.
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Yeah.
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I think it might have taken her name from a line in Mean Girls, which I think might
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be an indication that she missed the point of that movie.
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Uh, ooh, that's wrong.
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That's just bad.
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You're just bad at that.
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I'm not even mad at the whole Trump thing.
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Let's start with Mean Girls, lady.
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We've got to get to the beginning of this.
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I think quite honestly, if you're naming yourself after a Mean Girls character, or something
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that's said in Mean Girls and you're a Trump supporter, you need to think about things
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a little bit.
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You need to reconsider the messages that movies are trying to get through.
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Yeah.
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That's the Holocaust denialism of reviewing Mean Girls.
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That's what that is.
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That's rewriting the Civil War to make Mean Girls.
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It was actually about female empowerment.
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Mean Girls was about tariffs.
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Yeah.
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That's what I understand.
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Too bad Lincoln had to die at the end.
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Absolutely.
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There's not much about Monday that's worth a damn or worth us talking about.
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To the whole, you sound like Garfield.
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Oh man, I hate Mondays.
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This would be Monday the 9th of July.
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I just have two clips that I'm going to play from this episode because these are really
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scary things.
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Alex has a guest on named Stan Deo, who's a guy who I guess he has on a lot.
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I've heard his name before.
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He's supposed to be on to talk about the volcanoes in Hawaii and how the Ring of Fire is about
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to explode.
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Right.
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I don't think he's an actual volcanologist because every time Alex has talked to a real
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one, they've told him, hey, calm down.
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So, this guy seems more like a Christian fundamentalist.
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They can be volcanologists too, Nat.
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Not really.
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They can be.
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It's a tough combo.
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It's the red dragon.
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It's a tough combo.
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The seventh seal will open and then Hawaii explodes.
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That's just science.
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He talks about how him and his family pray for Trump twice a day and stuff.
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Okay, well then he's not a real volcanologist.
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No, and then he says this, which leads me to believe that this guy is a grade A, number
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one piece of shit.
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That's the Juan de Fuca plate.
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It is like 55 years now overdue for a massive nine point plus earthquake creating tidal
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waves and a lot of damage on the shore.
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So, yes, it is overdue and we need to be conscious of that.
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I've got to tell you, California's kind of their vote.
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I wouldn't mind losing their political votes at the moment.
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If the earthquakes happen and break it up into islands like they say, they'll be so
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busy surviving that they won't be able to influence the elections so much the way they
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have been.
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Awesome.
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Not to tell Hollywood a few things.
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It is funny, though, that it's the big anti-American state now and it's the one even mainline
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geologists say might disappear.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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As well do movies like Escape from L.A.
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Do you realize we live in the plot of Escape from L.A. right now?
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It's so close.
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It's so close.
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If California breaks off, we will have a fundamentalist Christian lunatic running.
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I mean, he doesn't believe it, but a collection of them running the fucking country.
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They're going to turn it into a fucking nightmare.
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You clearly, I'm going to have to remove one of your eyes because you're snake plisking
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all over the place.
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Oh, yeah, there's no doubt.
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The hair, the beard.
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The badass.
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You've got this covered, Dan.
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We need you to get to L.A.
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And I don't mind you taking out one of my eyes because they're cross.
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Which one?
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Take your pick.
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Take your pick.
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Look, I would say that my bigger point is that Stan Deo is a pile of shit for wishing
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a nine point earthquake to hit California in order to get them to stop voting because
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it'll be too busy surviving.
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Too busy surviving.
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Now you hear Alex come in right after that.
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He doesn't rebuke that.
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He says, isn't it funny?
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It's hilarious.
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Isn't it funny that the state that's the most our enemy is the one that they say might-
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Anti-American.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Well, you know what he's saying.
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There's a lot of minorities there.
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A lot of very nice melting pot going on.
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Yep.
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But the thing that I really want to drive home, and this is the most important thing,
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is that this is on the same show that constantly talks about how shitty it is that Rob Reiner
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wants to punch Trump or something like that.
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Yeah, that's the worst.
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He's talking about the media creating these images of violence against their enemies.
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He's having a guy on who says that he wants a nine point earthquake to hit California
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because he doesn't like how they vote.
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That's a huge scale version of Robert De Niro or Rob Reiner saying they don't like Trump
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or some shit like that.
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Alex doesn't rebuke it, which is what he is responsible to do in this situation if he
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wants any intellectual credibility.
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He's saying he wants a rock movie to happen to only his political enemies.
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Oh, man.
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You know the level of death that would happen if a nine point earthquake hit in California.
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It would be in the millions.
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No, probably not.
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But high five figures, probably, I would say.
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Probably in the five figures.
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I don't know.
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Also, that's another reason he is not a real volcanologist.
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People do not use the Richter scale seriously anymore.
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Yeah, they do.
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Not actual scientists.
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I don't know any volcanologists.
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See, there you go.
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I can't help you with that.
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All right.
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But, you know, nine point five is the highest that's ever been rated.
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That was like in 1966, I think.
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Here's how bad that is to me.
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I advocate violence.
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Which we've got to get you to stop.
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Maybe.
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I do.
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But it's targeted at people who are causing the problem.
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In the same way-
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Stan Dao believes that all these people who vote Democrat, they're all causing the problem.
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No, it's all of them.
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It's just everybody.
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You get rid of California's liberal leaning and then the whole country changes, baby.
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That's such the way they fucking think, though.
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It's such the way that they fucking-
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You take the inhumanity out of it and it's accurate.
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They would be too busy.
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I think we would at least delay the vote if we were still trying to repair California.
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It's not like California would be left on its own to fix it.
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The entire country would also, one, economically shut down.
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It would be a disaster.
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Our economy would go away.
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A lot of ports.
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A lot of ports.
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California is what, by itself, the fifth largest economy in the world or something like that?
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I don't remember the number, but that's close.
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If anything bad happens to California, Stan Dao, you don't get to eat.
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So go fuck yourself.
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Oh yeah, there's a whole lot of food out there.
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Yeah.
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So that guy sucks a lot.
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That guy sucks a lot.
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He is a disaster and Alex loves him.
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And also, I forgot to mention this, he has just gone and found the Garden of Eden, which Alex is going to have him back on to discuss.
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So he's a biblical literalist also.
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Is Swery Carrie going to be there as well?
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If we're in Garden of Eden territory, we might as well fucking roll the dice on that.
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So I've mentioned a couple times that I'm doing a very large scale project that I can't really get into all the details of.
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But I will tell you that it involves doing a lot of research on some of the individuals involved with Alex Jones and his world.
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And I just recently did a deep dive on Dr. Group.
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Oh no.
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And I found that he is a member of a group called the Society for Scientific Exploration.
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I don't like them using the word scientific.
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Ooh, it's not. There's a lot of sasquatch. There's a lot of UFOs.
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If you're a fake doctor, you can't have scientific anywhere near your name.
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He's a real doctor, but doctor of chiropractic.
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That's true. But that's also a fake doctor, isn't it?
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No doubt.
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But the reason I bring this up is they have a journal that they put out, the Scientific Exploration Society.
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They have a journal, and I found their archives, and I've read a bunch of them.
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Dear Science, we hope to find you someday.
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They're so amazing, because they're like these scholarly written articles that make crazy leaps of logic that are like,
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this would not work in undergraduate classes.
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It's written with the form of a scholarly peer-reviewed paper, like it has an abstract up top.
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You have the format down.
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But then you read it and you're like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Because there's like telepathy, sasquatch.
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Okay. Hold on.
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Telekinesis. It gets really fun to read.
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So it looks like there's a peer-reviewed paper about the magic in the Harry Potter universe being real.
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Absolutely. I read an article recently about how you can use runes and five different poets' works to discern the identity of William Shakespeare.
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Oh, I thought you could use them to enhance your sword in The Witcher 3.
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That is forthcoming in the journal.
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So the reason I bring this up is it's another important parallel between Swery Carey, Project Camelot, and Alex Jones and his world.
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You know who's one of the associate editors of the Society of Scientific Exploration?
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Oh my god.
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Remote viewer extraordinaire Courtney Brown.
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They're all con men.
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Absolutely.
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Or insane. These guys are insane.
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I don't know. I think they are trying to con some shit too.
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Oh, also that's another thing I found out was that the Farsight Institute that Courtney Brown runs is simultaneously not-for-profit and for-profit.
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He has a slightly different name for the incorporated for-profit organization.
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Wait, you can't do that.
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He clearly just funnels a bunch of stuff to the for-profit.
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You can't do that.
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Or hides it in the non-profit.
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Isn't that illegal?
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I think it might be.
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That has to be illegal.
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I don't know.
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You can't have a business that's like, eh, you know, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. No big deal.
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Non-profit.
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I think you can to some extent. I think there are ways you can do that.
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But when your whole thing is about like, I'm going to trick people into thinking I was in Hitler's mind and I can tell you what he thought in his last moments.
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That I think you're probably up to some shit.
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No, no, no, no. The oversight is a for-profit business.
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You're talking about oversight, which is the non-for-profit.
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Everybody knows the difference between that.
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That's my bad.
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That happens all the time.
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So we have a concrete connection in Doctor Group being a member of the same organization that Courtney Brown is one of the associate editors of the Journal of.
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Which is an interesting one-to-one parallel between them.
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And then we have this standeo dickhole who also is making a documentary or writing a book about finding the Garden of Eden.
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So we have another, like that guy belongs on Project Camelot.
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He needs a 9.5 earthquake up his ass.
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Yeah, you said it.
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Let's get him.
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So then on Monday, the only other clip, I think this is very scary.
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Alex Jones, he has this guy named Dan Lyman on, and before you say it.
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I didn't say anything.
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He is not.
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I didn't say anything.
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He is not a 7up, no, Sprite? Who was it?
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Dan Lyman?
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Their advertisements were the Delicious Taste of Lyman.
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Oh!
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Lyman Lyman?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't remember, I think Ernest was in them.
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Mickey Gifts, my old roommate used to say the Delicious Taste of Lyman all the time.
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Ernest P. Worrell?
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That's the one.
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Alright.
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Hey, Vern!
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It's Lyman!
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You know what I mean, Vern?
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You know what I mean?
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Yep.
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So, Dan Lyman is the European editor of Infowars, the website.
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They're allowed in Europe?
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I don't know why.
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It couldn't just be Paul Joseph Watson or his fake brother Steve, who are already over
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there.
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That's right.
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I forgot about Steve PJ Watson.
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Yeah.
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It could be him, he's already in Europe, and now you've got Dan Lyman, who's the European
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editor.
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PJ isn't in mainland Europe, though.
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I assume this guy is in mainland.
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He's on the aisle.
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No, I don't think so.
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Actually, I think he's in Scandinavia, but be that as it may, I don't give a shit where
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he is or anything, because he seems like a little bit of a crazy dude.
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And here is Alex saying some real fucked up stuff about what he thinks Western culture
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really is, and then Dan Lyman saying some other really scary shit about Europe.
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Great.
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Exactly.
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I know why there's such a cultural, historic memory in Eastern Europe.
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Over 100 Islamic invasions took place, and then after that, the Nazis came in and the
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Russians came in.
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They've been through so many invasions there and the whole crossroads of the world that
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they know and they understand what's happened before, and they understand that the whole
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ethos of their nations was defeating the Islamic invasions.
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You know, when I was in college, they taught that we invaded in the Crusades in Hollywood
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movies show that.
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David Lee Scott makes these movies.
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No, they invaded us for 300 years before we turned the tide when they almost took Germany
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and Poland and then had to do La Rica and Quista in Spain everywhere.
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We didn't invade the Muslims.
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And so that's just the reality land on Plymouth, Plymouth Rock.
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Absolutely.
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And that's really the importance of getting these people in power, like Victor Orban,
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Matteo Salvini.
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Oh, you know the people.
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They will invoke the true history once they have the platform and they have the support
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of the people.
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And at that point, I think it'd be a lot harder to get them out for the EU folks.
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And as we keep installing more and more of them in Austria now, we have a great government
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there.
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They do have the work cut out for them, but they're there.
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So now they have the support of the people.
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The movement continues to grow.
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You have Salvini saying he's calling for a league of leagues.
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He's going to start binding all these movements together.
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He wants to kind of be the figurehead of that.
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It's going to create a huge problem for Brussels.
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I think it's starting to basically fracture the entire political spectrum in Europe.
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I unfortunately agree with that last sentence.
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Yep.
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It is doing a real number on the political unity of Europe.
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Also, I would question why anybody would want to make themselves the figurehead of a league
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of leagues of nationalist countries.
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Well, you got to be... you want to have sovereignty?
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Seems like internationalism sneaking its little head in.
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Also a little bit at another point, this Dan Lyman starts talking about how even in Sweden,
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the Sweden Democrats are starting to make some inroads.
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And I'd just like to read you here this little piece.
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The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share
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of elected municipal representatives resign since the 2010 elections, 27.8%.
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Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives.
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In November 2012, party spokesman Erik Almquist resigned after he'd been caught on tape making
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racist and sexist statements.
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Another video later surfaced showing how Almquist, in addition to party spokesman Kent Erkleth,
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and party official Christian Westling were among themselves... were arming themselves
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with aluminum pipes before they sought out a confrontation with Søren Ismail, a Swedish
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comedian of Kurdish descent.
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I wonder why they didn't like him.
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There's so many more examples of this, too.
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In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in
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neo-Nazi and other extremist movements.
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It's just crazy.
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The Sweden Democrats, from their beginning, the party has its roots in Swedish fascism
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and was part of the white supremacy neo-Nazi movement through the early 1990s.
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So you get the sense of what they're talking about.
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Alex is saying in that clip that the foundation of Western identity in these European countries
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is the repulsion of Muslims.
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Like that's what gives them their cultural identity.
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They've been invaded so many times.
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That's a fucking scary thing to think.
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No, here's what I think immediately upon listening to this is, when you look back at the history
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of the United States around, what, 1937 through 1941, where you see people actively saying
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like, no, Hitler's gonna be great, he's not gonna be great, but he's not gonna be that
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bad.
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And a lot of people.
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And you look back at that as a shameful part of American history.
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I look at the other countries now not invading us as a shameful part of their history.
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Like in all honesty, because what else was that little rant but them saying that all
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of European history has been white people, all of it, and they have been invaded by brown
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people.
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You nailed it.
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And for the first time, we're telling the true history, which is that white people are
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all Europe and everybody who is not white is invading.
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They're aggressors.
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Everybody now, everybody who lives there now, because guess what, how do you feel about
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the government in Austria right now, Dan?
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Love it.
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I'll tell you.
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Love it.
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I'll tell you how you feel about it.
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Love it.
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They want all white people.
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Love it.
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That's what they literally, that's their stated goal.
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Like we are, we're fighting literal Nazis.
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I don't, I don't understand.
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I don't, I don't like, shouldn't we, we know what they're doing.
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We know what they're going to do.
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We can, we can straight up saying it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Can't we skip to the end where we have to kill them all?
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Like can't we just skip to the, I just want to skip past this part where everybody pretends
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it's not happening and everybody is acting like, no, the, the, something will save us.
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Like skip to the end.
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We're already in a civil war.
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Let's just fucking do it.
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Let's get it over with.
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Snap, snap.
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Yeah.
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You're sounding like Alex.
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We're already in a civil war.
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We are, we, they are, we're the ones who are living in a civil existence.
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They're the ones who are fighting a war and they've been winning for the past 15 years.
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It's insane.
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It's fucking insane.
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It's pretty, it's pretty wild.
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It's insane.
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Sure.
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Can't we, I just, I just don't want to be doing this anymore.
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I just don't want to do this shit anymore.
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It is a little insufferable and that's kind of why I like the past more and I almost wanted
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to just do the Henry Rollins interview when he accidentally was on Info Wars.
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That was a wild time.
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We'll do that soon, but you know, we have a responsibility.
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There's a lot going on in the world now and I think we do have a responsibility to check
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in with the modern times.
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So we see on Monday, Stan Dao being a wild piece of shit.
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We see Dan Lyman and Alex commiserating and celebrating the idea of fascist movement.
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Both of them wearing KKK hoods at the time.
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They might as well, politically they were, spiritually wearing hoods.
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So now we're going to talk about Tuesday, the 10th of July.
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We'll talk to about where I was like, I can't do this anymore, but it was like, I don't
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want to do this.
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Like I don't, it's, it's stupid.
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We can hit the main topics without like, I think I probably turned it off like an hour
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in cause like this stuff, we're going to listen to clips and all that.
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But like a lot of the stuff that I didn't cut out, I think I texted you about this.
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So much of it is just like, we talked about this before or Alex isn't saying anything.
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It's just blustery nonsense about how great he is and all this like, I'm changing the
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world.
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All this sort of narcissistic, weird talk.
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And so we'll start as Alex starts his show on July 10th, you would think that he would
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start by talking about the Supreme Court.
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It seems like the obvious thing to talk about.
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It seems like you talk about Brett Kavanaugh being, uh, being, uh, uh, nominated for the
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Supreme Court.
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Right.
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But you're wrong.
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Or maybe he would talk about the fact that he interrupted the bachelorette and it really
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screwed up his DVR.
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It screwed up his DVR.
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He was watching the bachelorette.
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It turns out that because of that, uh, uh, interruption, the last 10 minutes were cut
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off of his recording and there you go.
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Now he doesn't even know who went home.
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That's culture war, man.
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He does know that that guy is a Virgin.
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That's culture war on the libs because they all love that show, um, that he doesn't start
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with any of that stuff, but what he does start with is exactly in line with, uh, what his
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principles are.
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There's almost no coverage of this, even though it came out an hour ago in the Chicago Tribune.
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Trump pardons ranchers, the Hammonds, in case that inspired 2016 occupation, the National
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Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.
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Amazing.
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It's also set to go to England where the Islamic mayor, Sadiq Khan, has openly been calling
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for Trump to be blocked from the country.
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Uh, simply, simply amazing.
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So that is how he starts, which as I said, very in line with his principles.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Uh, glad you could find a rag there.
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Jordan just opened a beer and it exploded all over my table.
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It exploded all over your table.
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Make sure you, uh, you know what, we might need paper towels.
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Yeah, we're probably going to need to do that.
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Um, edit this part out.
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So the Hammonds have been pardoned.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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Yep.
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You know what's fun?
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We always talk about how it is terrible to think of jailing your political enemies.
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You know, like when, when everybody was screaming, lock her up and healthy as an impulse.
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Yeah.
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As a, as a country, that seems like that's a road to fascism, right?
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Right.
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I'm going to go with, so is pardoning people convicted of crimes that they did.
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Well, that's, that's gobbledygook and you are a dumb libtard.
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Uh, I would like, but it's the same thing.
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It's just in the opposite direction.
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You're so stupid.
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It's just, no, but it's the same thing.
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No, you're no, you're no, no, because then you just, you need to stop your Maoist trap.
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I don't understand how that's the opposite of Maoist creeping socialism and you know
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it.
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That doesn't make sense.
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Shut your goddamn mouth.
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I'm talking about him.
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Alex is going to inform you about what the Hammonds did and what the reality of the situation
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is.
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And then you can shut the fuck up and say, this was great.
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Trump is a hero.
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He is just going to list off the crimes that they committed and then say that they shouldn't
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really have been crimes, right?
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Meh.
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There's a thing called controlled burns.
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Everybody does it.
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Great start.
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Upstate New York to Georgia to Florida to New Mexico to Texas to Illinois to Oros.
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And the forest service under Obama started saying, you got to get permits for those.
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And then they wouldn't issue them.
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Real quick.
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His trouble, the Hammonds trouble with the law predates Obama.
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Just just, just for fun.
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Yeah.
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And so these brothers did some controlled burns right on their property line.
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Also just for fun, they aren't brothers, they aren't brothers.
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As a firebreak because the brothers are famous for not clearing that out now and then there's
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a fire.
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It was a super heat comes on your land and a little bit of it, like a half acre or something
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in the control burn, burn some forest bottom wasn't a half acre.
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Oh, it's just a little bit of it was a crash and they put them in prison for it and called
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it arson.
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It was.
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So anybody that's lived in Texas, you know, every year after the summer's over, the Mexicans
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burn their fields, put nitrogen back into it.
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That's what every culture has done for thousands of years.
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And there's a lot of smoke in the sky sometimes.
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Sometimes it makes you cough.
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Sometimes, you know, that makes the sunsets incredibly beautiful.
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Are we going to arrest all the Mexicans for doing it?
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I think we are.
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Case closed.
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I think we're pretty much on the way there.
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Case fucking closed, man.
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These Hammonds are great people.
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There's burn a little bit, a little bit accidentally.
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That is who cares?
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That is the controlled burn.
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That is the greatest yada, yada, yada I've ever heard.
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Look.
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They committed a little bit of a crime, but it was like, what, Mexicans do it?
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Everybody does this.
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There's a difference between what they do.
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And as you know, I approve of Mexican behavior and use it to justify my own behavior all
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the time.
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Interesting.
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I always side with the people who, okay.
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There is a, I mean, like people do burn their crops and stuff like that.
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That is a, that is a pretty standard thing that a lot of people do, but that's different.
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It's all on their own land.
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It's not on federal land, is it?
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And they do it with licenses and stuff.
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But.
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Oh, they get permission?
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Well, we'll get to how right Alex is.
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I'm being opposite guy today.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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We'll get to the reality of the Hammonds.
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You're your own Dan Lyman.
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We'll get to the reality of the Hammonds situation here in a second.
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But first Alex says this stupid, stupid fucking thing.
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And because a small amount of land burned, a little bit of grass and, and, and undercover
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foliage under the trees, they were sentenced to a long prison sentence, sparking the outrage
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and the standoff that then developed.
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They weren't really all that thrilled with that.
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I think it's a very, very good move.
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You could argue that a pardon of the Bundys would only spark more people to have armed
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confrontations.
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You could argue that this was a very good pardon.
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You can't argue that this was a very good pardon.
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No, argue that this is a very good pardon.
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These people are obviously political prisoners who have been imprisoned for their strongly
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held beliefs.
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They were fighting against an entrenched power and they were doing it in order to represent
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the oppressed.
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And so for them to be jailed is just like if when Martin Luther King Jr spent time in
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jail in Alabama.
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That is exactly what this is, Dan.
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You could never convince me otherwise, no matter what you say next, which I assume is
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going to be very well researched and thoughtful.
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So when a person generally wants to do a controlled burn, they can do so.
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That's something that people can absolutely do, but they need a permit like Martin Luther
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King Jr.
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And this is because setting fires is always dangerous and the potential for widespread
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damage is always there pretty consistently, as was definitely the case in the Hardy Hammond
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fire of 2001, way before Barack Obama was president.
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It's called the Hardy Hammond fire because they fucking said it.
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Oh man.
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The fires followed reports of the Hammonds illegally slaughtering wild game like a deer.
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So they would create these burns in order to cover up the evidence of them illegally
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killing animals.
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Oh my God.
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This has pretty consistently been the case.
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Fucking God.
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There all have been witnesses who have attested to this.
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We'll get to another specific witness here in a second.
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Hold on.
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Quote, this is from the government documents, quote, on or about August 22nd and 23rd, 2005,
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Stephen Hammond set fires to brush and other flammable material causing fires to burn on
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public and private land.
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As a result of the fires, approximately 1,342 acres of BLM managed land were burned.
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As a result of the Fir Creek area fires, the US incurred suppression costs and resource
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damages to BLM land in the total of $188,020.
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How many acres again?
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The 1,342 acres.
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Okay.
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So that was in 2005.
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All right.
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I'm going to go with-
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Also before Barack Obama was in office.
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I'm going to go with death penalty.
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On or about August 22nd, 2006, Stephen Hammond set fire to brush and other flammable material
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causing fires to burn on public and private land.
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As a result of the fire, approximately 804 acres of BLM managed land and 68 acres of
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private land were burned.
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As a result of the Crumbo Butte fire, the US incurred suppression costs in the amount
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of $15,677 and resource damages to the BLM in the amount of $30,400.
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This fire also almost trapped and killed four BLM firefighters because they were unaware
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of the fires that had been set and were there trying to work on another fire.
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Great.
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Yeah.
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On or about August 22nd to 23rd, 2006, Dwight Hammond and Stephen Hammond set fire to brush
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and other flammable material causing fires to burn on public and private land.
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As a result of the fire, approximately 46,523 acres of BLM managed land and 12,344 acres
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of private land were burned.
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As a result of the Granddad fire, the US incurred suppression costs in the amount of $479,809
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and resource damages to the BLM land in the amount of $586,496.
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The NYPD murdered a man for selling a cigarette.
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And incidentally, throughout all of this, Steve and Dwight kept threatening to kill
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and frame BLM employees repeatedly.
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Kill them.
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I want them dead.
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I want that.
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Now that they're out of jail, we can kill them.
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Let's burn them.
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Oh, my God.
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We have to burn them alive.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's the rule.
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Jordan, see-
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Isn't that science?
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See, this is where you come in with your extrapolation that is no good, man.
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You got to stop threatening to kill people.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not threatening to.
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I'm saying that we get to.
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You're not advocating.
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I'm saying we get to.
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I'm saying that this is a perfect Twilight Zone opportunity, right?
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So they commit all of these terrible crimes through the use of arson.
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Yeah, boy.
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Yeah, a lot of that.
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Then, then they go to jail and they're like, oh, we're punished, but surprise twist, they
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get pardoned by a mental invalid, right?
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And then they get burned alive.
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That is Twilight Zone ironic twist all the way.
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Right.
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This is the guy's glasses getting broken.
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Exactly.
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All over again.
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At the end, they finally got time now to make more controlled burns and one of them gets
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burnt alive and then the other one has to watch it and then we burn him alive on purpose.
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Right.
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So the bigger point here is I think, I mean, whatever you're saying, I mean, that's fun
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as a TV show.
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I don't like it in real life, but I do though.
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I like it in both.
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Actually, I would say the TV version would be a little bit boring.
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I don't think it's as interesting.
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I am more interested in the fact that what this, um, but this pardon does is just specifically
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indicate that like white terrorism is fine.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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There's no other real message behind it because these dudes have a history of, of arson.
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They've been up to shit for 20 fucking years, even more than that, perhaps like their history
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goes so far back in terms of just, uh, not, not playing by the rules, burning shit to
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cover up crimes and stuff like that.
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It just, I get it.
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You don't want there to be laws, but there are, I understand that your argument, like
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Alex's argument hinges mostly on like sort of, uh, you know, uh, sovereign citizen, free
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man on the land beliefs that like, uh, Hey, no, this is a, you know, anything goes, uh,
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and sorry, that isn't the case and it would be a hellscape if it was, I'm surprised he
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didn't even make the argument that the problem is that it was illegal for them to hunt in
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that situation.
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Cause if it wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have lit those fires.
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That opens up too much of a can of worms for Alex.
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He can't admit that even the first step is true because then it's true and it becomes
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a conversation of like, uh, why were they trying to cover it up if it was legal, that
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sort of thing.
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He has to fight the primary or not, not ignore the primary issue.
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Focus on the secondary issue.
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You know, it's fast.
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What I, what I, what interests me about this and what's more insidious about it is this
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is like America has a long history of corrupt presidents pardoning people for, uh, you know,
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political reasons regardless of Democrat.
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I would even bet that some of the people Obama pardoned, I might not be fine with.
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For sure.
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I bet there's some people.
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Absolutely agreed.
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The PR the thing that is insidious about this is how petty it is.
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Yeah.
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It's how small this is.
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This is just random, small, dumb shit to signal, Hey guys, it's all good.
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Open season.
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It's all good.
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Open fucking season.
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You malicious.
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I'm going to ignore you.
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You bet.
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If it's within my power, I'll probably get you off the hook.
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But if Antifa shows up and they're wearing a mask, we gotta, we gotta put them in jail
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forever.
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Absolutely.
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Never going to part in any of those fuckers.
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There's a, I mean, we already talked about the, uh, metal Hoover, uh, conservation, uh,
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standoff and all the costs that were incurred from that and the non monetary costs of like
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sacred sites, uh, that were desecrated and things like that.
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Like you can't put a price tag.
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Hey, you just shit on it, right?
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There's things like that.
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And that directly spawned out of the Bundy's trying to stand up for, um, the, uh, the Hammonds
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when the Hammonds had already cut a deal, like they already had pled down, uh, all their
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arsons and they shouldn't have been allowed to do in the first, they were going to get
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like five years with time served or whatever.
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Like it's not even, it's not even a big deal, quite frankly, in terms of this, but now all
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that's expunged and they're cool man.
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And it's, that's, it's, it's expunged.
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It's good to go.
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It's not even like, that's the, that's the worst part about it.
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It's it's now, it's not even their second or their 45th strike.
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It's back to the number one.
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Right.
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They can, they can commit the same fucking crime again.
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Yeah.
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And then it's double jeopardy.
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It's bullshit.
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Double jeopardy.
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No, it's not double jeopardy.
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You can't convict me for robbing that bank.
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You already got me for robbing the other one.
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Double jeopardy.
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But I mean, I'd like to just say that like this fire that they set in 2006, the grand
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dead fire, like the cost of it was over a million dollars in terms of like the US, the
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suppression costs, the damages.
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And I'm sure they had to pay that back.
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No, I don't think they did.
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Well, what about the fireman they almost murdered?
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Because that's really what it is since it was, it was arson.
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I think that charge got pled down.
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Oh, did it?
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Pardon.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay, great.
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Commuted all the sentences.
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Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet.
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But the, the issue that I have is even if you want to take away the like militia shit,
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you want to take away the, the really fucked up, uh, sovereign citizen beliefs that are
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being emboldened through this sort of thing, I mean, you just got to deal with like the,
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the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage that they've caused by setting
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fires over and over again when they want to cover stuff up or it's more convenient to
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them and they don't believe in getting licenses and shit.
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So like the, the, the fact that they just are this capricious and it ends up, you know
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where that money comes from?
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That comes from us.
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Oh, does it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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Those suppression costs and the, the, the, the Bureau of Land Management Resource Damages,
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it comes out of tax money.
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Oh, it does?
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That's, I'm really concerned about where my tax dollars go.
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But you understand like these two dudes have specifically caused over a million dollars
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or way more of damage that we are paying for.
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I cannot allow my tax dollars to go to something like Planned Parenthood that promotes and,
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and funds abortion and tells people to go get them even when they don't even need them,
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which I don't even know how you can do that.
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But I want my tax money, I want my tax money to go towards fixing the mistake.
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Mistakes of two dumb fucks in the middle of goddamn nowhere.
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That's where my tax money needs to go, Dan.
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Who don't view it as a mistake.
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That's where my tax money needs to go.
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They don't view it as a mistake.
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They view it as a cover-up.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, let's move on.
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Uh, he's pretty thrilled about this part.
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Even they view it as a crime.
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Yep.
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Very much so.
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Even they're like, by covering it up, you're like, oh yeah, this is totally a crime.
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And oh, I know that we're not quite, um, proving that point just yet.
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Wait till a little bit later in the episode.
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I'll make all this super clear.
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But for now, Alex is very in support of these pardons, but he has something he wants to
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say to the haters.
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All you Democrats though that hate Trump and hate America and hate him fullwars.com.
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Me.
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And hatenewswars.com.
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Me too.
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Nice plug.
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Long plug.
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You're just complete fools.
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Sure.
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All we're trying to do is go back to what works and what's successful and what's honorable.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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What are we doing?
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What do you guys, what do you really need any amendments past the 10th one?
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Like really frankly, do you need really any amendments past second?
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I would say, I would say maybe like they would be fine with four, right?
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Yeah.
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The cause you're, yeah.
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The search and seizure is the one.
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They also don't want to like quarter soldiers.
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I think they do though.
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I think they want to become the soldiers that are quartered.
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They want to, is there an amendment against play acting being a soldier?
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Cause maybe there should be.
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Let's call it the 48th amendment.
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The no more re-enactors.
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I don't mind re-enactors cause that has its proper context.
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I'm worried about like, I mean it just comes, I don't know.
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Is stolen valor a crime?
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I really am bothered by all this.
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It kind of feels like it should be, right?
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Yeah.
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Because you hear all these stories of everyone who was at these standoffs, they're all pretending
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to be soldiers and shit like that.
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And they're like, nah, I wasn't actually in the shit.
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I never actually enlisted.
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It's the same thing as the people who show up on Project Camelot saying that there's
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former CIA.
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It's the same bullshit.
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Or Alex pretending that he has family who's been in the FBI and CIA.
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You guys are just fucking larping.
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Go larp with magic like normal fucks.
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Or Zach who comes on Alex's show.
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Or ooh, today.
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What?
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Today this guy, I can't remember his name, he held a press conference about the Seth
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Rich murder.
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Quote unquote murder.
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We're there?
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We're still there?
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I think it might be the anniversary or something, I'm not entirely sure.
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But he held a press conference where he had a whistleblower that was going to call in.
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And I was like, man.
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He held a press conference for a whistleblower who was going to call in.
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Well, I think that it initially started with the promise that he was going to come.
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Like a whistleblower is going to be there with a mask or something like that.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Like when the fox did the masked magician showing you how to do the tricks.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then it turned out like, nah, he's just going to call in.
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And the reporting that I saw on it was like, this guy was just like all over the place.
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Not answering any questions with definitive answers.
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Like this guy doesn't fucking know anything.
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But the funniest part was he was asked if he was using a voice altering thing on the
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phone.
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And he's like, nah.
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He was like, what does it matter if I am?
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Should I be?
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That kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ooh, that would have been smart.
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He really wanted, he really wanted to say like, oh fuck, I should have done that.
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The reason that triggered in my head is he's another guy who's actually using one name
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and like, man, I wonder if it was Zach.
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I wonder if it was Zach like trying to get some extra work on the side.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In the gig economy, it's tough even for the convent.
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Right.
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I mean, there's a conspiracy Uber, I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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Do you need an expert?
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There's an app for people to call in.
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There's a QAnon app.
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QAnon app.
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Oh God, we got to start that.
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God damn it.
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Why can't we program stuff?
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We should have studied different things.
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We're ideal men, Dan.
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That's our problem.
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So at this point, we're 40 minutes into this episode and we have not yet heard anything
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about the Supreme Court.
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But here we go.
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They finally gets, Alex finally gets up to it.
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All right.
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I'm usually right.
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And a lot of insiders thought that Kavanaugh was out because of Rand Paul and because the
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Bush connections, but his voting record is actually pretty conservative in Trump's
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power, and Trump knows other people that know him, and he is like Justice Anthony Kennedy
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for whom his son owed him a billion dollars.
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The problem is, and I'm going to get into this right now, the Democrats have announced
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their plan.
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It hasn't gotten a lot of traction yet, but they've announced their plan to try to block
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him and their argument is we're going to block everybody because Trump is under investigation.
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And so therefore, it's a conflict of interest if he puts a Supreme Court justice in who
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might then shit over judgment of him.
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It is.
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Well, by that extension, he couldn't have the last guy either.
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Unfortunately.
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Exactly.
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Bingo.
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Alex.
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You figured it out.
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Alex, you accidentally just made a good argument.
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Yes.
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Actually, that is what a lot of people would say.
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Yes.
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Nailed it.
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I don't know how much of that is.
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I don't know if I buy in too much to a lot of that stuff.
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I don't know how concrete a lot of that is, and a lot of that seems like, eh, there could
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be some smoke here or something like that, but I'm not ready to jump on board and say
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that there were back room negotiations and stuff like that.
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I understand that there is a connection in terms of-
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A billion dollars.
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I understand that President Kennedy's son worked at the bank where Trump owes a lot
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of money to.
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And personally loaned him-
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Look, I-
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No, no, no.
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Here's what I'm not confirming.
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I'm not saying that it's 100% true.
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Even if that is true, I see a benign path around the son part.
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To me, that isn't evidence necessarily of this being a screw job.
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That if you jump too far into that, I think that what you're doing is conspiracy theorizing.
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I agree with you as if that was the only thing.
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If it was just like, well, his son was part of the bank that loaned him all that money.
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Because his son doesn't have sole approval.
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The Kennedy's son can't just, yeah, there's a whole thing.
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However, this is something that people have kind of known about for a while.
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The two of them have been in contact pretty regularly.
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There is a very suspicious circumstance where he retires exactly when he retires prior to
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an election.
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This is the circumstantial evidence at this point outweighs my skepticism.
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And even if it's not true, it doesn't change anything.
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It doesn't fucking matter.
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I would argue too that just because someone has business deals with me, that doesn't mean
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I can get my dad to do something.
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You know what I mean?
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Right.
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My dad is a completely separate person from me.
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Right.
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It's the same with Anthony Kennedy and his dad, his son.
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Look, I understand there's a lot of stuff that smells bad.
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There's a lot of stuff.
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It's a lot of stuff.
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But the details of it, I believe, need to be more concrete than they are now in order
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for me to be too compelled by it.
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I would have loved this two years ago.
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Two years ago, this sort of thing would have been like, oh, hell yeah.
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This is everything.
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This explains it all.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not trying to...
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I'm in such a world now where disparate details can be made to seem like explanations of much
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larger puzzles.
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And I don't feel comfortable with that until...
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That's another reason why I hate the present day stuff.
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No, no, no.
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And I agree with you.
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Watching this episode even, there's so much stuff that I would love to be like, well,
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this isn't true, but it's like, well, we'll have to wait a couple of weeks to see what
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plays out here.
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Right, right, right.
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Like, hey, I don't want to spend my precious life debunking right wing memes or something
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like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He talks about how before even Kavanaugh was announced, the libs, the dumb libs, they printed
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out signs with all the possible names with stop blank.
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Well, yeah, because the Federalist Society gave us a list of names that we need to stop.
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Right, I understand that.
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Of course they did.
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But I don't want to spend even two minutes of my life diving into that.
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No, no, no.
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I see what you're saying.
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There's so much that I just want to be like, we can talk about this a lot more competently
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in the future.
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In the present, all we can really say, I think responsibly, is like, this looks bad.
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I'm trusting that reporters will follow the threads that they can, that we can't.
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Here is why, and I'm totally on board with that.
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I'm not going to say it is true.
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Here is why I'm having fun with it.
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I'm also not accusing you of that.
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I'm only doing this because I feel very self-conscious about other people and people who listen to
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the show going off half cocked and believing.
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Totally get it.
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Here's why I'm having fun with it, because it doesn't matter either way.
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It doesn't fucking matter.
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Of course, regardless, regardless of if it's corrupt in this way, it's corrupt in some
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way.
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Everybody, there's no, there's no decision now coming out of this government that is
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not inherently tinged with corruption, regardless of whether or not it happened in this specific
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circumstance, this specific way.
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If you do start digging into it, you're going to find out something else is fucking corrupt.
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He might as well have nominated Scott Pruitt at this fucking point, who also should be
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burned alive.
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Well, he quit.
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Ironically.
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He quit.
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Yeah.
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Burn him alive?
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No.
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Oh, boy.
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I really hope that people understand that you're being slightly satirical.
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I kind of don't.
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I'm going to be honest.
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I just, no, no.
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You know what?
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You're right.
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I'm not advocating violence.
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I really am not.
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That's not the way to go.
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I hate that I keep pushing you on it, but it's a thing where, I mean, I think that there's
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a lot of people who are like a Bill Maher or something like that, who say stupid shit,
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and then the left gets accused of X, Y, or Z because of him.
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Don't care what the left gets accused of.
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I don't, I know, but I care what we get accused of or what we could be accused of.
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I kind of don't care about that either.
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I'm going to be, I mean, unless it's a crime, unless we're taken to jail, then let me tell
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you something, Dan.
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This is all an act.
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I am a character.
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I think you saying that Scott Pruitt should be burned is like, it's not, maybe not a crime,
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but it's on the, it's on the border of like language that maybe isn't okay.
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He should be though.
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Like by any reasonable metric, just like from a purely scientific standpoint, of the people
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who are murdered.
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Based on our legal system, that's not a possible consequence.
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Okay, fine, fine.
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Of the people who are murdered by the state through the, through the death penalty, right?
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Ooh boy.
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Imagine a, imagine like, are any of their crimes, are any of their crimes ever equal
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to Scott Pruitt's like, because Scott Pruitt has made so many decisions that are going
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to result in the deaths of hundreds of people, hundreds, maybe not, maybe not.
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He's going to exacerbate climate change to the point where an extra million people die
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or whatever, but so many of his decisions do have concrete numbers behind them.
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Say something like, uh, where, where he, send him to the Hague.
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I'm totally fine with that too.
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That's what I would say.
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Instead of saying, let's burn this person alive.
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Okay.
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Because I think that that's ugly language and I think you could be accused of like reactionaryism
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or something like that.
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And maybe I'm being like, I know that, uh, Hey, this is Dan play in the middle or whatever.
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You're being correctly cautious.
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You're a compassionate human being.
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I have more to the point.
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This is my fucking life.
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You know, doing this show, here's, here's how I would put it to you.
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Here's the best way I can describe the way that I treat my, uh, uh, uh, tendency towards
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advocating violence.
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If, if, if that is what it can be called, uh, in a court of law, I think it can't.
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But I think you're in the clear there.
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I think it is torture.
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I think it is absolutely torture for anybody to be held in solitary confinement.
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Yep.
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In a court was held in solitary confinement for 23 hours out of every day.
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But some of that was for his own protection.
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Yeah.
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It's still torture to be held in solitary confinement for that long is still torture.
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I'm against it by principle, but I also understand that there are sometimes logistical situations.
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Like I would never want it to be done as a punitive thing, but you know, if, if you are
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a white supremacist and you get put into a, a prison where you're going to get killed,
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I think that solitary confinement for your own safety might be the only option or right
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cordoned off wing of, but then you have just been white supremacist, exactly.
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Which most prisons already have.
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We should probably also just get rid of prisons.
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Exactly.
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If you're going to, and I don't think it is right for Paul Manafort to have to be in that
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solitary confinement multiple times called for his death.
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However, I do think it is an appropriate punishment based on the punishments that we've existed
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in the past.
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Sure.
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Like for his crimes, he deserves far worse, he deserves far worse compared to the punishments
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that we dole out for crimes that are far less damaging.
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That's that's all I'm saying.
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It's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a math argument.
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Like if you've got, if you've got one column of all the people who died because of your
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decisions and the punishment that you received in the other column, most serial killers killed
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less people personally than Scott Pruitt did.
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And they are, they are killed.
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Now my only argument against that, I suppose, and then I want to move on because I'm sick
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of this.
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This is a, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We've been having this argument for how many months now?
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The only, the only thing I would say is that I really, really don't like, I know that you're
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not advocating this, but I really don't like the idea of punishment and like the justice
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system being involved in like, like, like Hammurabi-esque eye for an eye, like you deserve
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this.
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Again, totally stupid.
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Because that, that is too much relishing the pain that you can cause someone who has caused
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other people pain.
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Right.
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And I don't, I don't feel like that's a good thing for humans.
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I agree.
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I think that much more, I think we should just send people to the Hague.
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I think we should too.
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That sounds like, I was actually looking into...
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That should be your new yell.
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Just yell, send them to the Hague.
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This is crazy.
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I was actually looking into this specifically because I'm going through all the crimes that
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have been committed by the people that we have inexplicably given power to.
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And I'm trying to figure out, could you actually prosecute them for this?
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And so much of it is actually legal.
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So then I was like, well, how, if I were going to be elected president or, or something along
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those lines, how would I circumvent the fact that what they did was, was not illegal here,
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but should be, and is other places.
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Well, lure them to a foreign country.
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Exactly.
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I was, I was looking up international courts.
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I was looking up all of this stuff.
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I was like, how do we do a new Nuremberg trials?
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Like that kind of stuff.
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And there really isn't any recourse for it.
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Well, the Nuremberg trials were very problematic to begin with in terms of jurisdiction and
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ex post facto agreed.
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Now, granted, you always want to see Nazis get punished.
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I'm kind of on the side of we, again, so many of our laws should have like, except Nazis.
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Sure.
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It should be written into every one of our laws, perhaps.
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So Alex is fine with Cavanaugh, who would have guessed that he would have tucked his tail
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between his legs and said that anybody that Trump chose was the best choice.
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Also, he makes no point of being like, now I know that I said I had real deep sources
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that said that Andrew Napolitano is going to be the Supreme Court nominee.
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I didn't, he did start that last clip by saying, I'm usually right, but the rest of it, he
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never brings up that like, I was wrong, I was completely wrong about Andrew Napolitano.
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He's going to probably pretend he never said that.
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Have you ever seen Cavanaugh and Napolitano in the same room?
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That's a really good point.
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That's a good point.
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I want to talk about Cavanaugh a little bit and reasons why Alex shouldn't be in favor
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of him and then should, I guess.
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Here's a little thing about him, quote, Cavanaugh is also authored or signed on to a number
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of opinions deferring to presidential power in high profile cases.
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Hooray!
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For instance, after the Supreme Court ruled that enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo
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Bay have the right to challenge their detentions in court, Cavanaugh was among the conservative
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judges on the DC circuit who subsequently ruled in ways the critics have said actively
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subverted the high court's decision.
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You can do that.
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So as to render it toothless.
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He's an originalist, Dan.
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That's from a report on NPR.
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It's important to care about precedent.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, but this one, that Alex should not be in favor of.
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Oh, no, absolutely not.
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This is like...
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And it's not caring about precedent at all.
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He was thrilled with the idea that this guy was super into like these people who were
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held at Guantanamo Bay and being tortured and all this.
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Yep.
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Just, no, they shouldn't be able to challenge their incarceration.
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That's absolutely against Alex's principles.
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Now, the reasons that he will and should be for him are that Cavanaugh is anti-contraception,
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he's anti-environmental regulations, he's anti-net neutrality, he's super pro-guns,
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and he was in favor of the South Carolina law that required people to have IDs to vote,
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which of course is a cornerstone of voter disenfranchisement.
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Can we just call him pro-death?
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Like everything you just described, everything he's anti and everything he's pro lead to
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people dying who shouldn't die, who have no reason to die other than because of those
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positions.
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I don't know, but I think you might be dramatizing net neutrality a tiny bit, but the other ones,
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yes.
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Oh, net neutrality, yeah.
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That one is...
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You're right on that one.
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I agree with the rest of them kind of being life and death.
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I let the net neutrality one slide.
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Right, right.
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I mean, it's still bad.
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It's still pro-death.
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He's on the wrong...
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It's still pro-death.
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I mean, there is to a certain extent.
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I mean, it does limit people's ability to organize and congregate, which could lead
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to deaths, perhaps.
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So I mean, Kavanaugh's a shithead.
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I know he'll probably end up passing and great.
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Yep.
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Hey, there's only one way to stop him.
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Stacking the court.
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And that's shutting the...
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I mean, at this point, the thing that I look at now with like a knowledge of history combined
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with like where we're going is people keep talking about how he's going to swing the
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court conservative for the next 30 or 40 years.
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And I'm like, if he's approved, we're getting 15 max before either the world ends or there's
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a violent overthrow.
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Well, I mean, I don't even know if it'll make it 15 because there's so many indications
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that like, I don't know, I'm going to stop myself before I get too doom and gloomy about
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this.
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But, you know, we have reordering of international priorities and things like that that have
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very, very drastic consequences.
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The way that Trump is like making friends with and pretending that Kim Jong-un is on
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the level when he's clearly not, there are reports coming out all over the place that
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they're still doing massive tests.
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Hilariously not.
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Hilariously not.
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But he's banking on the optics of doing stuff like this and buddying up to a great extent
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with Putin and other authoritarian leaders around the world and being a dick to our allies
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and things like that.
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It's almost exactly like the axis of evil pre-World War Two.
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You have this reordering of things and we are not in the side that you want to be on.
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Oh, no.
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This is not, this doesn't play out well looking down the road.
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And I don't even know if it's 15 years off.
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And this is where I, like I was saying, I was trying to resist being doom and gloomy
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about it.
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But like, cause there is, there, there is a world I also see as being possible where
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a lot of these really bad decisions get made and cooler heads prevail and we are able to
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fix things before things go too far.
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It's, it's this, you hope that that can happen.
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This very, this, this stuff that is going on has happened in America in the past.
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The problem with comparing those two is that the stakes so much lower, so much lower in
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the past.
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Yes.
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You were just fucking with people in America.
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Now you're fucking with the world.
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Well, and technological advancements that you have, weapons advancements, the ability
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to like before the advent of the internet or the ubiquity of the internet and the prevalence
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of social media, it was much, much harder to trick people the way that people like Alex
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are able to trick people.
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You had to do it on a local level.
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Right.
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You couldn't get as many at the same time.
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And I mean, it's not all Alex, just because we talk about him all the time.
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There's so many more malicious influence.
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They're all con men.
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But the, the, the, the stakes that are so much higher are on one end that like outright
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destruction is right around the corner.
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Oh yeah.
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At some point, just a couple of bad decisions lead to like cat catastrophe.
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Oh yeah.
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Our, our, what, our weakest nuclear bomb now is twice as, is like a thousand times as strong
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as the big boy and man, you know, like that whole thing.
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But I think even more devastating is that like now people are so entrenched in their
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own opinions and maybe we're guilty of that too, but at the same time, I'm willing to
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listen to anything and be like, clearly, yeah,
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I think his part, I think one of the nice things about being a conservative is they
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just tune us out.
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Like they just choose what they want to be mad out and they don't listen to anything
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like you can't talk to one of them.
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They're not even people anymore.
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I mean, no, they are people, but functionally they're not like, I do think that, and this
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is Dan coming out of his larva or whatever, the pupil stage.
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You're becoming a beautiful butterfly.
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I think you and I have argued in the past about like a value of people and like you
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shouldn't like write people off and I'm ready to write off just about a lot of people.
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Oh yeah.
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I mean, it's pointless.
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It's not like it doesn't, it doesn't matter anymore.
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Frankly.
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I'm ready.
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I thought there was a chance and now there's probably a good, I don't know, 15% of the
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population in America that's just like, you guys just got to shut up.
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You're hurting yourself.
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You're hurting yourself and hurting others more.
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Exactly.
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Like the people who support Trump or like, Oh, I think everything he's doing is great
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and he's starting this trade war that is specifically going to bankrupt them personally.
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They are people who have personal skin in the game and they're going to be, they're
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going to give all their money away and they're not even really going to understand why that
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it's their own fucking fault.
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It's bananas.
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Yeah.
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And they, they just can't comprehend it because we're, we're team sports run by con men.
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Well, even beyond that, I mean the con men part is the function of that ubiquity of the
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internet and the social media allows you to create things that look real and right and
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all this.
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Right.
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And it's only going to get worse with the, uh, the advancements of technology where,
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you know, you have these videos now or you can make look like someone saying something
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they didn't say.
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Yep.
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Like shit gets weaponized now it's no idea.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like that's the sort of stuff that could like, I mean, I know this is also me being doom
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and gloomy.
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Like that could cause a war.
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Oh no, that is going to cause a war.
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You could very easily make a video of some like Kim Jong Un declaring war on America
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or something like that.
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And then I mean all the times trick Trump with that so easily.
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Fucking stuttering John tricked him with a prank call called him from air force one.
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It's like when this pre internet, there was a uh, fucking, uh, a test that almost went
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wrong that caused the end of the human race because some dude, the only reason we are
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all still alive, the literally the only reason all of the human race is still alive is because
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one dude was like, ah, I don't think we need to press this button and send all these nukes
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at Russian.
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And like, that's it like imagine a dumb ass president who gets a video that Fox news plays
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and then 10 minutes later they issue a retraction, but it's too late.
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He's already fucking dumb.
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Even if they were all dead, even if they play it and the Chiron is, is this real?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Still doesn't matter.
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He believes everything they say.
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If any one of them decide to say we need to start a war, he's going to do it.
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We're hopefully not.
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Hopefully not.
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Hopefully not.
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We'll see.
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Congress has given up war powers to the president anyway, so this is why we shouldn't cover
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modern episodes.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about why he supports Trump.
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What I'm saying about Trump is this, the will of the people are behind him.
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And so when he made the joke, I could shoot somebody on fifth Avenue and my supporters
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will still support me.
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He gets the fact that he's going to deliver to us, we're going to deliver to him.
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And that's why I'm so behind the president because we're taking the country and the world
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back and the globalists are crapping their pants and things are turning around.
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So praise God's all I got to say, doesn't mean things are perfect.
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But in my gut, I know Trump's good as well.
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That's not good.
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I'd like to take us all back to a mere couple months ago when Trump was shoving ISIS up
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his dirty asshole.
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Or a few years ago when his gut said that he was a gangster.
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Not his gut.
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He had it from good authority.
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Oh, that's right.
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He did have it from good authority.
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And the source is that he is mobbed up and a front man for the consortiums on the East
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Coast.
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Yeah.
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This is all just so pathetic.
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I don't even, I like, I don't know what's, no, I just had to sort of brace myself a tiny
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bit.
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For what you're about to say.
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I'm so bored with this guy.
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Like that's the real struggle.
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No, this iteration right now.
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Yeah, I agree.
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This is the real struggle.
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And to me, looking back at 2009, Alex, I know I probably say this all the fucking time,
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but at least there's some like, there's intrigue there.
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There's something that's like, what are you, what game are you playing exactly?
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He could go a lot of different ways back then.
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He had a lot of options.
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Right, right.
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And it's interesting.
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There's dynamics.
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There's a push and pull.
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Whereas now I just listen to this, I'm like, I know exactly what you're doing.
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This is so fucking boring.
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You're a bad character in a bad movie at this point.
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Like when the movie of 2017, 2016 comes out eventually, he's not even going to be in it.
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He was a bad character in that show though.
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X-Files?
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What was the one?
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No, no, no.
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Not the X-Files.
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The one Homeland?
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Homeland.
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He was in both of those.
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He was in both of them.
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He was a really bad character in Homeland though.
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Yeah.
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He was mad.
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He was very furious about that depiction.
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Although he did plug it a lot.
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It was very weird.
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Well, more people Google that character.
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More people realize it's about Alex Jones.
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More people listen to Alex Jones.
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Strange impulse to be like, these people are hatchet jobbing me.
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Go watch it.
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It's on Showtime.
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Very weird.
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Any publicity is good publicity.
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But to me, that version of him is even more interesting than now.
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Like now, I can't stress enough.
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The only thing that interests me about this episode was I learned a little bit more about
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how bad the Bundy's were.
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And then Stan Deo sucks.
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And it's funny that Alex doesn't bring up Andrew Napolitano anymore.
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The basement got lower.
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That's it.
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No, that's a great way of putting our experience listening to Alex Jones now.
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Anytime we listen to him in the present, all that happens is we realize that the basement
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just got lower.
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Well, I mean.
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There's just no bottom.
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How much cuck could a wood cuck cuck if a wood cuck could cuck cuck?
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I don't know.
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Four.
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You know, I mean, it's just a it's sort of a like can can't.
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How many different ways can you suck Trump's dick?
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Like how many different ways are there?
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I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to just.
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You put an ice cube in there.
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I guess that would help.
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Maybe try a breath mint.
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Oh, you could use one of those one of those strips.
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One of those things that you put on there, maybe put some LSD on there.
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Everybody gets a contact high.
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Now I'm just now I'm just weird thinking that I'm not I'm not comfortable with where this
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is going.
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Well, you took it there entirely.
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I know it's entirely my fault.
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I sat it out.
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I mean, I've most of my problems come from me, Dan.
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The thing that I take I don't like your characterization of it there because I don't think that, like,
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you know, like sucking dick as a negative.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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That's not my intent.
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I know.
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But I would the reason that I would I would frame it differently is just like how much
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lower can someone bring themselves in service of something that doesn't really like it's
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not.
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I want to say that it's not really what they're about, but what they're about is white supremacy.
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So it is what they're about.
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Right.
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So it's like how contorted does someone have to get in order to rationalize stuff in a
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way that's not interesting?
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You know, like, because if if he was interesting about it, it'd be different.
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It's not it's not interesting.
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To me, what I hear is like a bad salesman.
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Like you because because here's what's going on to the people he's talking to.
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They've already been sold right to the people that he's not talking to.
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He's overselling.
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Every word he says just pushes them further away.
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Yeah.
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So why are you still trying to sell it?
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Why are you still trying to sell it in new and different ways?
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Like you're selling a sold car.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're you're a door to door salesman.
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I already have a vacuum or I have thrown a vacuum out the door.
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Why are you bothering with this?
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Go somewhere else.
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Well, it's because it's the dynamic that we've already talked about in terms of like he's
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abandoned at the 80 percent in order to focus on the 20 percent in order to keep the illusion
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for the 20 percent that he's still marketing to the 100.
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Yeah.
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He has to keep doing that or else they would realize like there's not no one's listening
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to this.
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We're an isolated, weird group of people who are believing a liar.
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Otherwise, the game kind of gets blown up.
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What would be the way like let's workshop like how would you both stay in your conservative?
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Everything Trump does is the best thing to do late.
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Right.
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While still being interesting.
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Because he's not doing the latter part.
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I would say that the way Alex could do it is like ignore a lot of the news.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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I like that.
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Well, that's a good start.
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He's not good at this anyway.
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And most of the time when he covers the news, it's just reading a headline and then maybe
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angrily ranting about something that's not real.
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So what I would do is I would say read the headline, dismiss it, which is mostly the
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function of what you're doing anyway, and then go back to what made you interesting.
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Chimera stuff.
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Go back to the well of your old personality that people kind of enjoyed and then see what
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you can build off that.
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Find other avenues that are like that, that are weird and have just enough truth that
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you can yell about them, but are also complete bullshit.
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That's what would be interesting because this is not doing.
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He's not weird anymore.
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This is mainstream.
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It's really just a mainstream talk show now.
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But here's the problem with that.
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The problem with it is that he was super successful in as much as Sean Hannity is now him.
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Fox and Friends very closely mirrors him.
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Oh, Fox and Friends is the lazy like before coffee version of Alex Jones.
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Now I hated those sorts of entities.
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Anything on Fox News before was always very shitty and full of garbage.
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Awful.
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But they were not nearly this info warzy a couple years ago.
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They were not out and out white supremacists.
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They were hiding it.
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And even I don't even think Tucker Carlson was that much of a white supremacist before.
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Dude, he has gone full hog.
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Now he might have at some point.
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I mean, in private he was probably, but they had producers who were like, hey, we're going
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to edit out the part where you said the n-word 42 times in a row because one, that's Jackie
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Robinson's number.
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And two, we can't be having that.
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But no one will notice you're wearing a bow tie and you're an adult, so it'll be fine.
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You'll just be staring at that, like expecting it to squirt on your guest.
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The thing is like, yeah, who knows what lies in the hearts of men as they say.
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You know, like who knows if that was what those people like Bill O'Reilly or any of
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them was about.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But the entity of Fox News, even as a sort of state television for Bush, even as that
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entity, it was not nearly as crazy as Info Wars.
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And now it kind of is.
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And it hurts Alex because now they're both on the same page, even though during Obama's
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time they were on the same page as being against Obama.
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Right.
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He was still on the same page.
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He was weird.
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He was screaming about like Frank Marshall Davis being his daddy and all that stuff.
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He needs to reclaim the weird.
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The problem is, the problem is everybody has gotten too weird and now he doesn't know how
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to out weird people.
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Well, to quote Hunter S. Thompson, when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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But he didn't do that.
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Nope.
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He was doing the same things he did before or less.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's actually even pulled back from the weird.
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Yeah.
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When was the last time you heard about him talking about fucking something that was really
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out there?
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I mean, he still talks about chimeras from time to time.
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Yeah, but chimeras aren't even that out there anymore.
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Nah, chimeras got mainstream.
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Yeah, I know.
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Now, this might actually be the best way to kill Alex Jones in terms of his career and
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stuff like that.
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Make the world weirder?
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Well, I mean, I think it might be an unfortunate byproduct of Trump.
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And I think inevitably, if I were Alex and I were a craven con man like he is, I think
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that that would be what prompts me to leave the team, is that I can no longer be as crazy
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as I need to be.
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That's why he's fucking growing a beard.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All this shit.
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He's trying to juice it up somehow and it's not working.
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It's like your girlfriend of four years suddenly gets a haircut and colors your hair and you're
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like, hmm, I don't think you are going to stick around for much longer.
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Do you think his beard is an indication that it's time to break up?
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No, I think his beard is actually an indication of deep, deep sadness.
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I really, I really, truly, because after, after I was alerted to that he had a beard,
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I was allowed to look at it and it is the most disgusting thing I think I've ever seen
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in my entire life.
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Anybody who can look at that in the mirror is a deeply depressed and unhappy man.
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I would say that like, I hate the trope on TV shows of like when someone like gets a
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divorce or becomes an alcoholic, they grow a beard.
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You know, like your characters on TV, like in the beginning of the second season of Heroes,
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Nathan Petrelli grew a beard.
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He was a drunk.
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He thought he was responsible for Peter's death, his brother Peter.
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He looked like a sad clown.
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Well, see, Peter was a, he had accidentally absorbed a guy's power to be able to explode
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as a nuclear bomb.
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This is as annoying to me as my violence is okay argument is annoying to you.
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And in order to save the city of New York from exploding, because Peter couldn't control
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his powers, Nathan grabbed him and flew him above the city.
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And then he thought that he was responsible for Peter's death and so he grew a beard because
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he was drinking so much, but NBC couldn't show him drinking all the time.
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You got mad at me for talking about Dune for too long.
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Screw you.
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That's probably 15 seconds.
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This is bullshit.
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Anyway.
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Play the tape.
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So my point is that I hate it in a hacky fiction, but I think in reality, his beard is a cry
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for help.
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Oh, it's a cry for help.
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Alex needs, you got to shave that shit.
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It's a sad beard.
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Got to shave that shit.
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Oh yeah.
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The beard is a, it's a definition of a cuck beard.
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If there's one thing we can do, it is first off, not block Kavanaugh because that's never
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going to win.
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We're going to lose and the world is over.
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We can still hold out hope and call senators and stuff like that, like still don't, don't
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fucking give up.
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Oh no, absolutely not.
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Even if like it, the prospects aren't good.
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If you do nothing, nothing will happen.
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If you all, if everybody in America just calls Susan Collins once and says, whatever it is
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that Mitch McConnell says to you, he is lying because he has always lied to you and you
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are gullible, then maybe she'll get it and maybe she won't vote for Kavanaugh because
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she's going to be told, she's going to be told a million times, no, don't worry about
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it.
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Kavanaugh respects precedent and so he won't gut Roe v. Wade established law.
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He's got, he respects precedent.
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He's definitely going to say any challenge that comes to Roe v. Wade, the, uh, uh, undue
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burden clause will definitely be worth it.
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And she's going to say yes and then it's going to be gutted and she's going to be like, oh,
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I'm dumb again.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Well, who knows?
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Anyway, I thought we were going to get a deal.
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Let's let's, uh, let's move this along.
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Anyways.
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Yeah.
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Uh, so, uh, in this next clip, Jordan, Alex acts like a, uh, so you remember, uh, when
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he went down to Seattle, when, uh, when Alex went down to Seattle looking for a soul to
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steal.
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Um, and he was accosting people on the street, screaming at them, uh, chasing people and
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then eventually got coffee thrown at him.
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Um, he's got a slightly different take on that now.
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And they think calling us names, lying about us, pouring coffee on us, yelling and screaming
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at us.
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It does something.
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Yes, it does something.
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It lets me know I'm right about how immature and stupid and thuggish and mob mentality
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you people are.
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I know you are, but what am I?
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And it means nothing to me.
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Doesn't it?
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What you do and what you say.
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When I was in Seattle, they'd always run by and call me a Nazi or call me a name.
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I'd wave them over and say, tell me what you have to say.
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Tell me your intellectual ideas and their answer would be to throw coffee on me.
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Ooh, that's a good answer.
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And run away.
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What an idiot.
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Pretty sure he just walked away.
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Even when I offered the goblin, as we call him, $10,000 and first class tickets to come
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here because I wanted free.
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He wouldn't do it.
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When we upped it to $20,000, it turns out he is an out of work, wannabe professional
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wrestler announcer.
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Oh yeah, don't we know that guy?
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Like tertiary?
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It turns out that the goblin cannot and will not debate.
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What I hear there is a rewriting of history because I watched that video and he is just
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fucking being a huge dick to everybody.
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Yup.
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And then what else I hear is that like, all right, I didn't think that was fake necessarily.
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I had some suspicions at the time, but I wasn't ready to call it fake.
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But that clip makes me think it was fake.
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Because what I hear there is Alex being like, we did this scene on the streets where this
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guy threw something at me and I pretended it was hot coffee because he didn't react
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at all like flinching.
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Oh no, no, no.
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That was not hot coffee.
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So like what he's saying is like, I had this set piece that we did and then like Mike Rotondo,
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I wanted to get him in studio because then I could make a real show out of it.
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I offered him $10,000 to do it.
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He said no.
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So I offered him 20,000.
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He said, nah, I don't really want to do it.
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I think I'm done with our interaction.
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You know, I think, I think that was good.
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I realized that maybe I shouldn't have even done that.
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And then he walked off with his life peaceably.
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Alex is now trying to reframe it as a thing where he's like, I just wanted this guy to
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debate me.
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Oh man, I think I would do it for 20 grand.
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I'm not going to lie to you.
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I need 20 grand.
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Dude.
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I do.
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I'd show up on Infowars for 20 grand, but I wouldn't say anything.
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I just sit there and stare at him.
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Like a serial killer.
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Yeah.
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I just feel like you just stare.
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Well, because you know, isn't that that Errol Morris, uh, like sort of philosophy of documentary
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interviewing.
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Oh yeah.
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You just let people talk.
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You don't say anything.
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You don't reveal.
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Yeah.
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Just what I would do.
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I just sit there and be like, Oh yeah, Oh, Oh, ah.
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Let Alex fill the space.
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You know, just whatever.
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Oh yeah.
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I'm just like, I don't, I don't give a shit.
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People want to talk about globalists.
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All right.
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All right.
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Aren't you global?
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Interesting.
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All right.
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Okay.
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I live in Chicago.
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Okay.
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There you go.
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Although I am much like Pitbull, Mr. Worldwide.
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I'm going to let you sit in that one for a while.
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See that's Errol Morris style.
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So in this next clip, Alex is our, he's still talking about, uh, the guy who threw coffee
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on him in Seattle and, uh, he's already called him a goblin, which is interesting because
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that's very interesting phrasing.
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And then he does this thing that he always does.
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It's very suspicious.
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I'm not trying to be mean.
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It's just, what is it about minions of this system that make them so horrific to look
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at?
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Okay.
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I got to stop.
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I really want to play this Brexit report when we come back to the next segment.
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Why is it always physical?
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Why is there always a physical component of it?
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Why is it always, why?
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I think, uh, if, if I were to question answers itself, if I were really going to dive into
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it, I wouldn't even, I actually, I wouldn't even go with the just white on this one because
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white supremacy is absolutely part of this, but I think this goes even beyond that to
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like the white supremacy eugenics kind of idea that only good ideas can come from beautiful
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looking genetically superior people like, cause that's, that's so often part of it.
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It's not just, it's not just the Jewish thing or, or the white thing.
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It's always like, although he listens to what Mitch McConnell says and that guy's a fucking
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troll.
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So I don't know.
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It's mostly an antisemitic thing I believe.
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I, I, yeah, you're right.
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I have talked to myself completely out of my argument.
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Trump is a fucking monster.
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No, I mean like generally whenever Alex brings up people's physicalities and stuff like that
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and is like, this is, look at this, who is he talking to?
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Who is he talking about?
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The guy threw coffee on him.
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Okay.
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In the street.
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Is he Jewish?
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I have no idea.
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Does he look Jewish?
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This specific instance isn't as important as like his tradition of people who have Semitic
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qualities visually being like, Oh, look at that gross fucking, and then using antisemitic
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canards in order to attack them.
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Why is it that they always look like that with all of their, I'm not going to say Jewish
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characteristics, but yeah, you know what I mean.
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But at the same time, I love my wife's nose.
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She's got a regal nose.
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And I'm not saying that a nose is a Jewish characteristic at all.
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Nobody here.
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That's not a stereotype.
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I'm not saying that.
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You have to dance around at that fucking mean something.
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Yes it does.
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So when you have to burn it to cover up your crimes, it might have something to do with
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it.
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Exactly.
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It means there was a crime to begin with.
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So in this next clip, Alex announces a guest that we're not going to listen to.
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We also have the gentleman who started the walk away movement, who's liberal and gay
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and lives in New York.
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They got thrown out of an electronic shop for, they said, Oh, you're all right.
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Cause you're on Tucker Carlson.
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Get out of here.
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I won't sell you the microphone.
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He's going to be joining us.
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Liberal and gay appeared on Tucker Carlson, your alt-right get out.
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All of those things don't seem to fit together properly.
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Well, this gentleman is a guy by the name of, boy, where's his fucking name?
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I don't even care.
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Brandon Straka.
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Where do these people come from?
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I don't know.
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He's guy posted a video, uh, on YouTube, uh, believe is, uh, posted in may.
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Uh, he posted a video where he was talking about how, uh, people need to walk away from
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the, uh, the democratic party, uh, that, uh, people who, uh, the democratic party uses
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people of color and LGBTQ people, uh, but doesn't help them.
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I agree 100% and started a hashtag walk away movement.
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Um, it did not pick up any traction until fairly recently, uh, again, we're in July
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the, yep, a bunch of bots started promoting it.
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Uh, there has been, there have been forensic analysis of these accounts that really boosted
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the hashtag walk away, uh, trend and they are fake accounts.
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Sounds right.
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There's one, uh, that, uh, was very clearly pointed out here in an article on daily dot,
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uh, they've got 16,000 retweets, uh, and 45,000 likes, uh, that's a lot.
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Yeah.
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And it's very clearly a fake account using, uh, a picture that was stolen from a Getty
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image kind of like, these are all, these are all like, I hear news outlets, reverse Google
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image shirt search is a good idea.
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Washington post quoting a click hole article.
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I'm not, I'm not here to, I'm not here to say like, Oh, this is a Russian front or anything
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like that.
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Although there's probably some involvement, but at the same time, it's the same thing
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that you see over and over and over again.
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It's less important that Russia is involved in it and more important that there are artificial
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forces that are boosting all of this.
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There are these bot farms that, uh, that do this and it is by no means organic.
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No, absolutely not.
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And there's a reason to do it.
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There's a fucking midterm election coming up.
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Joe got posted what, three months ago and now people are, are bringing it up in a Astro
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Turfy way in order to, uh, to push this.
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So Alex has the guy on because he fucking loves it.
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Yeah.
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This is, this is a really unfortunate development.
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I really don't know, like, cause here's the problem.
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The democratic party is shit.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Like you get that old bullshit, you know, like you supported Bernie Sanders and that
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ruined Hillary and you voted for, like I voted for Hillary and I think she's shit.
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I don't, I don't fucking care.
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Right.
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It's, it's, it's one of those, like how do we successfully destroy the democratic party's
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leadership without at the same time undermining our ability to destroy the Republican party's
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leadership?
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Maybe not destroy, but like supplant, replace, perform a coup, a counter coup, improve, um,
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adjust.
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Well Diane Feinstein needs to be gone.
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Right.
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There's a lot of, there's a lot of, well, much like the Mexicans that burn their fields.
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Sure.
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We need to get a permit to get rid of these fucking democratic bullshit.
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There's a lot, there's a lot of, um, some well-meaning, um, and some just ineffective
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and not good, uh, folk who, uh, are, are, have, uh, positions of power in the democratic
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party that are not representative of what should be the left party, the main party.
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No, I'm a ride or die Elizabeth Warren bitch, but that doesn't mean like, I don't, I don't
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think that that means that like, Hey, torpedo the entire party.
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I don't think you mean think that, but I think that some people do believe that.
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I don't know.
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I think there's a fine line to walk of, uh, I, I agree.
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The problem is I just don't know where that line is because part of me wants to say torpedo
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the fucking party.
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Right.
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And then at the same time we have, we have Warren, we have, uh, Cortez.
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We have so many good people, right?
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Like we have so many great people in the democratic party.
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It seems like the democratic party is always split between people who just want to get
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power and people who give a shit.
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Right.
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The democratic party is always unified ideologically regardless of whether or not they're con men.
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Nope.
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You're being unfair to them.
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There are some people who are just bad.
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Fair enough.
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And then there are some people who are real bad.
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That's a good point.
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I accept that.
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There are garden variety, mom and pop bad, and then there's like, you know, like there's,
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there are, you know, it's your, your, your mom and pop store bad versus your Walmart
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bad.
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Right.
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And everyone's used to dealing with a mom and pop bad.
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Uh, and that's the game everyone thinks is being played and it's all like the, the rising
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tide is really bad.
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That nascent, uh, uh, like it went through its birth pains eight, nine years ago, uh,
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coming to, coming to, uh, into the world.
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Uh, that is what everyone's dealing with.
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And I don't think that the people who are in power on the democratic party side are
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ready to deal with that reality.
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That's why they're ineffective and need to go the same time.
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I think it's probably foolish, uh, to stake all hope on, uh, like another party and being
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able to create it from the ground.
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Right.
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Ideally what you would have is, I mean, I'd love it if another party was able to do that,
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but I'm not sure that you are, I hope, I hope you could, but I think it would be more effective
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in order to, I think you would be able to, the, the only thing, the only thing that makes
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sense to me in regards to actually changing the democratic party leadership is to create
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a third party that is purely about progressive views that only takes on Democrats in situations
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where Democrats are overly, overwhelmingly going to win anyways.
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Like if Alexandria, if Alexandria were to, were to pull off a third party victory against
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the democratic leadership, knowing full well that no matter what the progressive side is
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going to win in that election, all of a sudden, now we have a viable third party candidate
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that hasn't split the vote and destroyed the, uh, she was running as a third party person
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she would lose in the general election.
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It's possible.
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It's very likely.
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Well, actually, no, it's 100% likely if she was not running as a Democrat, she wouldn't
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get that.
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This is why the reason you need to have people like her, and I think this is one of the reasons
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why it's really important that Bernie did run as a Democrat.
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You have people who come into the party and try and push it left as opposed to siphoning
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off votes.
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And, uh, just because if, if like, now let, let's create a perfect scenario.
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You have the middle Democrats, uh, imaginary entity, middle Republicans, imaginary entity
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as well.
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There you go.
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Then you have the people on the left making their own party and people on the right making
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their own Patriot party.
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And then it was a four way election.
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Then you would have...
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Then we're in a different situation.
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You have votes being siphoned off from each candidate in their own way and you could see
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what happened.
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That'd be an interesting experiment and I don't think it happened with like Jill Stein
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and Gary Johnson existing in the 2016 election.
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But I think that you could have a much better, uh, um, I think each of those parties would
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still lose.
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Okay.
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All right.
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New plan.
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New strategy only runs super progressive in areas where the Republicans are almost guaranteed
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to win.
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So then you start asking yourself, is it, then you start really dealing with the strategy
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that Democrats have for red state Democrats where they're like, maybe if we're just mostly
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Republican but a little bit not Republican, even Republicans and Democrats both will vote
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for us.
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So you have an option of like, well, let's see how this policy applies there.
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We've got nothing to lose.
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It would be interesting as an experiment.
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I'm in for it.
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Knowing that you're going to lose.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm in for it.
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Yeah, sure.
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Let's do it.
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All right.
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Done.
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Nailed it.
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Okay.
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Points to both of us.
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Plus one for both.
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So Jordan, in this next clip.
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So I, earlier I was chastising you a little bit, maybe unfairly about violent rhetoric.
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How dare you chastise me for the crimes that I might have committed?
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I don't think they're crimes, but there's a, there's a reason.
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And that is because like, I don't like, um, I just don't like any time that I feel like
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we're too close to Alex.
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We're sounding like him.
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Right.
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I really don't like it.
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And here's the, I'll play this next clip and you can see if you agree with me.
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He says, word for word, what I say are physically attacking people, running people out of stores,
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rioting, screaming, freaking out all over the country.
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There's just so many reports of it.
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I can't even keep track of it.
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A lot of it's up on info wars.com anti-fuzz, just beating up anybody.
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That's got a bumper sticker.
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That's Christian on their cars.
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I wish there's so much of this pouring in there that we've got three new videos of them
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just beating up old women.
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And let me tell you what I see like 15 young punks beating up a 65, 70 year old woman.
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And I'm going to be honest, I just start wanting to kill people.
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I can't watch that stuff because it makes me angry at everybody around me.
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I'm not trying to sound like a tough guy either, man.
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How do you come up with grown men beating up old women?
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I think he was saying that to himself.
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How did I come up with that?
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I'm pretty sure he jerks off to those videos of undocumented children screaming in ICE
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detention centers.
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So how do you come up with old men or men beating up old women?
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Fuck off.
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But in the middle of that there, he's like, when I see this, I just want to kill people.
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You know, like there is that.
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And I think you're, I think you're better than that.
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I think you're better.
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Do you?
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Yeah, I do.
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I think you're better than descending to the level of that, like kind of rhetoric.
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That's all.
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Well, and this, this may be, no, and this may be a very weak T argument.
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My difference, I think there is that I am not trying to blanket in terms of the, like,
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I disregard conservatives.
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Like they are something to be ignored.
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They're nothing to me, you know, like none of your arguments make sense.
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Anything you say is anything but destructive.
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And you don't even know you're a patsy, you know, you're the schlemiel.
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The people who have it coming though, that's the difference I feel like between me and
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Alex Jones.
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Alex is going to toss it out to anybody who disagrees with me, with him.
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I don't think if you disagree with me, that makes you evil.
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But I know there are evil people, right?
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There are people who are legitimately deserving.
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Look I mean like Dick Cheney should be in jail from 20 years ago until whenever he dies.
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You and Alex agree on that.
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I know.
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I don't understand why that is a, like that is not on the table.
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I don't understand that.
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I don't understand why George W is not in jail.
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And so if I say, well, okay.
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You functionally do.
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From, from a functional standpoint, yes.
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But, but if I am saying like those two fuckers need to be burned alive.
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The reality of what I'm saying is they committed serious crimes and they are not being...
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They're responsible for countless people literally burning alive.
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Exactly.
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Like the people who have it coming and the problem with the rhetoric, and I understand,
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I understand exactly where you're coming from because the rhetoric makes it sound like I
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am saying that Alex, I'm saying the same similar things that Alex is.
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I don't want to, I don't want that to be what you think I'm accusing you of.
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I'm not.
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I know.
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I know.
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I'm just saying that the rhetoric has the same sound to it of like, I want these people
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to die.
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Right.
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But what I really am trying to say is like, there is no accountability to the people who
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are actually causing all of this shit going down.
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And Alex is not talking about accountability.
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Nope.
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Alex is talking about punishment.
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I am not talking about punishment.
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And repression.
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And repression.
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He's not talking about punishing, like, I mean, he does say lock her up and shit like
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that.
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Right.
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Which is punishment.
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He's talking about like protesters.
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Yeah.
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He's talking about just people who politically disagree with him.
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Yeah.
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I don't think, I don't want physically for Mitch McConnell to be murdered.
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Right.
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But at a certain point, exactly how do you hold Mitch McConnell accountable?
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Send him to the Hague.
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Right.
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So I'm fine with that.
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I am fine with that.
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The issue is that there's no emotional rhetoric behind, you need to go to court.
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I understand that.
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And you need to make an emotional appeal to people, otherwise shit's not going to happen.
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I understand that.
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And there's no part of me that wants to clip your emotional wings, as it were, and disallow
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you or say- Baby, you can't.
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I'm going to fly.
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I don't like to, I have no interest in being a voice that says like, hey, Jordan, calm
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down with your language or anything like that.
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I just think, I think from time to time, and maybe I'm just doing this because this episode's
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so boring, like Alex, that we were talking about, there's a value, I think, from time
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to time to just addressing and being like, there's a difference.
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When you scream, burn this person, there's not an actual desire to burn them.
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There is an emotional truth behind, they deserve being set on fire.
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It would, like emotionally, like legitimately, emotionally, I would not ever be able to watch
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a, like, if it, for real, if we burned Scott Pruitt alive as a-
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You're a big climate change guy, so that would be like one of your big villains.
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That would be one of my huge ones, right?
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Right.
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I could never ever watch it.
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No.
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It would destroy me emotionally.
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The simple idea of thinking about like actually seeing it and knowing that the consequences
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of it are real would wreck me.
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And the idea that I would have some like part in bringing it about would wreck me forever.
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However, Scott Pruitt has killed people.
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Yeah.
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He has personally killed people with the things that he said, with the stroke of a pen, people
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have died because of him.
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So how do you hold him accountable?
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You know what I'm saying?
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That's what I really want.
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I just want people to who murdered to at least be called murderers.
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He's a murderer.
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Well, that part is well taken and that part's fine.
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He should be in jail for the rest of his fucking life.
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Sent to the Hague.
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Yeah.
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He should he should not be he should be quarantined from the rest of humanity because he's not
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allowed.
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I think I think that is something I said a long time ago and I stand by this and I have
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no I have no place in my heart that wishes to like let people who are on the left ostensibly
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Democrats be free of this sort of same stance.
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Absolutely not.
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I would say that I really think that we can take the rot out of politics to a certain
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extent.
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First of all, get money out of it.
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Absolutely.
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Immediately.
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We make moves to, I don't know, public financing for all campaigns.
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Yep.
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Shorten the campaign season to like three months.
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You get back to the point where there are limits on campaign contributions.
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Absolutely.
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If any at all.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For real.
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You get out of it to like get the purity of the turf back and then simultaneously you
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subject almost all politicians to international tribunals.
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Yeah.
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Not.
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And who cares if other countries do it, too.
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But like we have to we have to.
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If you want to say America is a city on a shining hill, then fucking be it.
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You kind of you.
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The only way like we talk about this all the time.
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It's like a George W. Bush committed war crimes.
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Trump is committing war crimes.
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And at the same time, we're very acknowledging that Obama is committing war crimes.
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Yeah.
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Or has committed war crimes.
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The whole thing is that like we have this complacency in the United States of like in
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order to be president because it's so difficult and challenging and there's so many complicated
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issues.
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Yeah.
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There's no way to do it without committing war crimes.
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And that is part of the taint that needs to go away.
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Exactly.
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That's something that needs to go away.
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And the only way that's ever going to happen is if some people are held accountable.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully all of them are held accountable because there needs to be a thing where in
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the future, if you're the president, you kill thousands of civilians in a country or you
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you are you preside over that.
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You're not the one in the plane.
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You're not calling the drone strike individually, necessarily, but you preside over that.
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You're the one firing the gun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're you are the ultimate responsibility.
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You allow that to happen.
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I would say there is room in the conversation for rogue agents on a lower level as long
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as they're punished.
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You know, like, yeah, you find out who was the one responsible for X, Y or Z going wrong.
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Then maybe it doesn't go all the way up to the president.
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Right.
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But at some point there needs to be there needs to be sincere like punishment for it.
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It doesn't mean like just just because we say send them to the Hague, that makes it
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sound like they're going to end up killing them.
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Maybe it's not.
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Maybe it's not.
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Maybe we maybe we take a little breath and say, like, listen, these people committed
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war crimes.
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We need to deal with it.
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We can't just kill them for as cathartic as that would be right.
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But what we do is we say, all right, your estate is gone.
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You're right.
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We take away all the ill gotten gains.
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We take away.
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I'm fine with that.
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Right.
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We take away down to a middle class stature, which would be a delightful thing for something
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like me to have as I sell blood so I can pay rent.
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Like who the which what was the last president that doesn't belong in jail?
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It's been a long time.
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It's been a long fucking time.
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It might be all of them.
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It might be all of them.
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But you understand.
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I know you understand.
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I hope people understand what I'm saying.
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The only way that we're going to get better is if we deal with the excuses that we have
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for why we're not better.
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Right.
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And the little cheap things that we play, the little games that we play of like, well,
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Obama, he did kill a bunch of people.
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He you know, he blew up the hospital and that wedding with drone strikes.
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But he meant well.
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Yeah.
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I do agree that like, yes, there was probably good intent there.
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That doesn't.
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That's not OK.
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All of it is not OK.
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If your good intent is like instead of killing a thousand people, I want to kill 50.
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Is that what good and like I get I get it right.
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I like on a on a logical level, I get it.
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And on an idealistic level, that's unacceptable.
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The conversation I'm trying to have, I think, is taking this rage that you feel about these
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politicians and what they deserve because they do.
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Yeah.
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I'm bored, like a lot of granted more Republicans than Democrats.
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But Democrats are not absolutely not.
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I think we've made that clear in our in our history.
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Yeah.
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But but unfortunately, I think if you look at reality, the people who are the most guilty
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of the most heinous crime, oh, yeah.
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Always end up on the right.
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Weird how conservatism leads towards crime.
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But as the Democratic Party has shifted more and more to the right, oh, mysteriously, everybody
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commits more war crimes.
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Weird.
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But.
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Like my point is that the way I think we deal with this.
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We have out of control, local things, local situations, you know, like cops way out of
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control and stuff like that.
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Right.
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I think one of the best ways that can be dealt with is with civilian review boards and things
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like that.
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Yeah.
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And people who are not necessarily politicians who provide some oversight.
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Just holding cops accountable.
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That's a great start.
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So now we take that to a macro level and you look at what is and sure, I mean, I'm willing
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to have another conversation about international courts not being perfect.
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But how's Myanmar looking?
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Not great.
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But I think there are.
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Which is not something to laugh at, except in a gallows humor.
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Sorry.
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No, I agree.
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But I think that I think that I think big picture.
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If you look, if you pulled if there was a way to scientifically pull the entire world.
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Yeah.
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Which would be crazy.
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Yeah.
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I would I would guess that there's about a 70 percent agreement in terms of like what
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you can and can't do.
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I would I would even argue that it's so much higher than that.
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I went low conservative estimate.
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Yeah.
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I think I think I think that there's going to be like five percent weird this way, five
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percent weird that way.
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Right.
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Who knows the other weird ways, you know, because you could sure five percent of us
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are there.
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That's bullshit, because even the five percent nation would agree with what I'm saying.
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They agree.
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You can't kill people.
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Fair enough.
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So like there are like a lot of fringe groups and stuff like that around that would still
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be on the same page in terms of like, well, if you do this, there is there should be a
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consequence for right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Even if we don't agree 100 percent culturally about women driving cars and what have you
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that everyone likes to put wedges between us with.
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I think we've gone very too far on this, but I still think.
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The only way home is through accountability for everybody.
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Yeah.
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And that is going to require a lot of people taking some punches that they don't want to
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take on both sides.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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And we if you want to if you want to say to me, lock her up about Hillary Clinton, in
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all honesty, I bet you could find a reason.
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Sure.
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Like legitimately, if you just had somebody, the ones they say, it's definitely not the
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ones they say.
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But if you start if you start looking at anybody who is fucking rich, chances are you're going
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to find a crime.
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Yeah.
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Why is it that that massive accumulation of wealth is not a natural thing?
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It doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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And it doesn't happen without committing some sort of atrocity at the end of the day.
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Whether it's an atrocity, whether it's a conning, whether it's someone like Elon Musk screwing
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his employees.
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Right.
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It's Bezos screwing his employees.
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Although our boy Hamdi Ulukaya seems like he's on the level.
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But I don't think he's profoundly wealthy.
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He is.
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I know.
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I think that's the trick.
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I don't I know that he's very well off, but I think that he's like a high end billionaire
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or something like that.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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I think that he's very rich, but also.
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Or at the very least, he keeps it well under wraps from from the things I've looked into
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about him.
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I think he's probably pretty on the level about his money.
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But even so, do more.
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I don't know.
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I know.
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I mean, there's so much of it that just seems like an acceptable loss.
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Like, you know, legitimately.
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This is what I want to say.
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Yeah.
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I want to say that I survive off doing this podcast and the generous donations that people
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provide and selling my blood.
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Yeah.
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That's how I survive and pay my bills.
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Yeah.
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It is a tough, tight wire, tight wire that the word hot wire, high wire.
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It's a it's a high wire wire that calm.
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It's a high wire act of me constantly just about to fall off this into the netting below.
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Yeah.
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And I still and I'm not saying this to make myself sound great.
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I still try to donate to causes that I care about, even though I'm at the point where
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I sometimes have to go to the store and I'm like, I can't afford cheese.
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Yeah.
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You know, like that sort of thing.
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I still try to give a little bit of money here and there.
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Let's extrapolate that to people like Hamdi Ulukaya, who is doing a lot.
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Still could do more.
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All these billionaires.
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You could fucking live on a million and give nine hundred million dollars to the advancement
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of humanity.
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The fact that you don't is morally suspicious.
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The concept of living on a million dollars would boggle my mind.
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It's crazy.
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Like, I wouldn't that and it's such a it's such a human social thing where it's like,
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well, once I live on a million dollars, I have to justify spending all this money, justify
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two million.
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Exactly.
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You know, you got to.
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Yeah.
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You got to.
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Once once you get there and feel the riches and the right of it, you have an infinity
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pool.
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You're like, how do I have a bigger infinity pool that goes around the corner of my building?
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It's a it's a serious question that I have.
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I would, one, love to know the answer to, which is I can't imagine living beyond like
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if I were if we were suddenly fucking TV personalities who made millions of dollars, which I'm not
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ready for.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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Even though you said I look like Snake Pliskin.
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I'm not.
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You look like Snake Pliskin.
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I'm not ready.
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I'll remove your eye and then you'll be ready.
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All right.
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It's just like we should start doing the Escape from L.A. podcast.
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Oh, that would be a good podcast of Snake.
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Every day we watch.
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Who are you?
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Who am I?
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I am the.
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You came up with another character.
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Oh, no.
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What's his name?
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The guy who rules L.A.
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I only remember Escape from New York.
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He's a fucking insane person.
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No, like I can't imagine living any way other than the only opulence, the only luxury that
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I want is to not have to be like, fuck, am I going to make it this month?
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Right.
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That's the only luxury that I really want.
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I think that's the case for almost everybody.
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Yeah.
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If you're a person who just keeps accelerating the luxuries that they want, you're probably
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committing a crime.
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I would love for like and I know I've just I've brought this up a couple of times and
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I don't mean to keep banging on it, but like I've been selling my plasma for money, which
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I don't find degrading at all and I kind of enjoy the process of it.
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Like, yeah, it's good to have some nice time to read.
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See, see, again, your luxury is like, well, I like having time to read and I get paid
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to do it.
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It's a bus trip over there, a bus trip back, and then you're an hour in the chair or whatever,
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you know.
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But at the same time, I get to read.
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I get to listen to music.
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Exactly.
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It's not a bad.
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We're bad at luxury.
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It's not a bad time.
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But what I would say is that I think that everybody who wants to bloviate about shit,
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go do that a couple of times.
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Go spend some time down at the plasma center.
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Go down there and try and go talk to the people around there.
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Go talk to and just experience the culture.
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I'm not saying it's a bad culture at all because I love it.
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I think that the people down there are awesome.
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But I would say it could open up some eyes of people who think that, I don't know,
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I think that a lot of people don't realize that there are so many people who rely on
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that sort of thing in order to make ends meet because no one's going in and sitting down
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and having their blood drawn, then put back into them for 20, 30, 40 dollars a session
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when they're doing well.
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Everyone down there is doing bad.
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Well if you want to even go into, if you want to talk about Bernie, Bernie has a few houses.
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Right.
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At what point do we legitimate- Now you're into Alex rhetoric, baby.
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No, no, no, the Mexican president, or president-elect, Amla I believe is his shortened acrostic name.
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His promise of like, I am going to turn the presidential house into a fucking museum.
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I'm going to live the way that I lived last week, I'm going to live the way that I lived
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a year ago, I'm going to live- You're going to turn it into the Getty Museum?
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Might.
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And then underneath it, who knows what's fucking going on?
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But that kind of idea is like, yeah, duh, duh.
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Why do you have so many people- But also that's the trick that populist leaders
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pull.
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Right.
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But that's- That's the same thing that Trump does with
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I'm going to donate my salary.
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Right.
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But he's already a fucking- But when you're talking about Cortez versus, what was it,
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Crowley?
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I've already forgotten his name because he can go fuck himself.
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But when you're talking about that, one of her big points is just like, you don't fucking
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live here.
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Right.
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You don't live with any of these people.
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What are you talking about?
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In a representative government, how can you represent people who live in a million percent
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different way than you do?
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Right.
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You know?
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So maybe that's the third point of it, along with sending people to The Hague, is, and
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I think that we're seeing the blossoms of it, the beginnings of it, in terms of actual
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citizens going up for being representatives.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's always healthier than career politicians.
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And all of those actual people- Or people who have grew themselves from high
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school through debate teams.
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All of those women, the people of color, all of them for whom the Democratic Party has
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voiced so much non-support in the past year as they try so hard to keep those people away
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from power.
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Yes.
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Wonderful.
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean-
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It's so much a one step forward, two step back situation.
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Well, I mean, sometimes survival means going through something really bad.
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And perhaps the survival of the Democratic Party will be getting their comeuppance and
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recognizing that, like you were saying, people of color, women, gay, LGBT folk, they're the
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people whose voices need to be heard the most.
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Absolutely.
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Because they are the people who are the most at risk with liberal platforms not surviving.
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Exactly.
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And we have very little skin in the game.
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And if we were craven, manipulative weirdos, we should go to the right.
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Oh, man, we would fucking- If we were-
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If we were-
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If we just only cared about that, then that would be the smart thing to do.
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See, that's our problem.
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We are too smart to con people the correct way.
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We would feel bad about it.
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We could fucking-
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I'd also say I'm not interested in it.
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No, no, no.
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I know.
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But if we sat down and wrote a conservative playbook, we would fucking kill it.
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Hit me up, Roger.
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It would be so easy.
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Roger, Roger, you're probably-
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Oh, just don't.
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Roger-
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Hit up your boy.
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We could fucking wreck your world.
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You don't even know.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if we sat down with a nice six pack, I think we could probably figure out a way
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to mask liberal concerns in conservative talking points.
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Oh, yeah.
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We could nail it.
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I think there's probably a way that all of these people seem to not be able to do, which
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thankfully they can't.
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Yeah.
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They try.
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They're like-
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They try, but they're so bad at it, because they just can't process that information.
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This walk away shit is an effort, man.
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You see it over and over again with these astroturfed social media attempts.
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Anyway, I don't know.
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Anyway, let's do it.
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We have one more clip.
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Let's close this down.
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But before we do that, I thought I had another clip about the Hammonds.
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Yeah.
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And I was going to try and bookend the show by... I didn't tell you everything about
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the Hammonds.
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Oh, no.
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And I thought that-
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How is there more to know?
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I thought that I had another clip of Alex talking about how great they are.
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They're serial arsonists who were very close to committing manslaughter.
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Mm-hmm.
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I have bad news.
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Steve and Dwight Hammond are also most likely child abusers.
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God damn it!
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So this is about their then 16-year-old nephew, Steve's 16-year-old nephew, Dusty.
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Uh-uh.
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No, I don't want to know.
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This is from a police report.
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Quote, Dusty told me in the past several months the discipline has gotten worse and worse.
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Dusty told me that two or three months ago, he and Steve had gotten into an argument about
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how Dusty was doing his chores.
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Dusty stated that Steve became very upset and charged him.
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Dusty stated that Steve hit him in the chest with a closed fist, knocking him to the ground.
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Dusty stated that Steve then took Dusty's face and rubbed it into the gravel.
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Dusty stated that this action hurt and made him fearful of Steve.
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The report says that when Dusty was caught with alcohol, Steve had driven him at least
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ten miles from the ranch and made Dusty walk back.
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The report further states that when Dusty was caught with tobacco, Steve made him eat
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two cans of Skoll smokeless tobacco, then again drove him ten miles away from the ranch
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and made him walk back.
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On one occasion in 2004, Dusty had carved initials into his chest with a little pin.
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Nothing that was going to give him a scar or anything like that, but I don't know why
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people act out.
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He was young.
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Quote, then Dusty stated that Steve told him that he was not going to let Dusty deface
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the family by carving on himself.
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Dusty stated that Steve then took him and began to sand the initials off his chest.
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Steve sanded on each side of his chest for at least five minutes.
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Steve used a very coarse sandpaper to sand off the initials.
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The report goes on, quote, Dusty told me that the process...
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For real?
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You should have said trigger warning before starting this.
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Nope.
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He told me that the process was very painful.
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Because this is not okay.
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But that he did not cry.
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I'm really not doing great.
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Because he knew that Steve would continue the process for a longer period of time.
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Quote, Dusty told me that Steve told him that if the sanding did not remove the initials,
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he would fillet the initials off Dusty's chest.
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Quote, Steve Hammond began by telling me that raising kids is like raising cows or dogs,
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the report says.
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As recounted in the report, the Hammonds then suggested that Dusty himself was responsible
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for the severity of the wounds.
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The Hammonds told me that after the sanding was completed, Dusty made the comment that
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he did not think the areas were sanded deep enough.
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And thought that we should use steel wool to sand the areas some more.
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Interesting.
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Hey!
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So you remember all that stuff I said about how I would feel bad if I watched Mitch McConnell
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burn alive?
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That's gone.
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That's gone.
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No, I'm out.
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I can watch the worst things happen to that guy now.
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I can legitimately watch the worst things happen to that guy.
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By the way, the people who are doing this to this 16-year-old kid are the people who
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Trump just pardoned.
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I could...
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Oh my god.
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So that was when he was 16.
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Fuck.
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So years later, when he was 21, quote, when interviewed by federal agents, the 21-year-old
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Dusty Hammond said that he feared that when Steve Hammond learned he had talked to police,
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that Steven would come to his front door and kill him, the paper said.
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Just about their arsons, Dusty said, quote, Steven started handing out boxes of Strike
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Anywhere matches and said, we're going to light up the whole country on fire, Dusty
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told the jury.
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He said that Steve had pointed to a spot on the skyline and told him to head there, quote,
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he just said, start lighting them and walk in that direction until you run out, Dusty
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testified.
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Quote, Dwight told me to keep my mouth shut, that nobody needed to know about the fire.
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These guys are serial killers.
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That's what these guys are.
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I mean, maybe not.
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Like you look, you look at that, you look at the same funny, funny story like this hillside
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strangler behavior.
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This is the same.
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The hills have eyes.
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All right.
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There you go.
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It's the same shit.
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These are psychopaths.
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But in that same story, when he was told to like, just keep dropping matches until you
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ran out, he did that.
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Dusty did that.
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And then he realized that he was becoming surrounded by fire and almost died trying
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to escape the fire that he and his uncle had started.
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Uncle and grandfather, that's, this is profound familial abuse.
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This is disgusting to hear this sort of thing.
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It's like all the arsons.
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Yeah, that's bad.
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You've caused a million dollars plus of damage to the United States, but that's one of fucking
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money.
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Well, no, but it's, and it's covering up your, yeah, and it's covering up all of that.
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What have you?
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Fuck.
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This is indicative of like how you treat the people closest to you.
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This is fucking unforgivable.
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This is, this is, I don't, I don't know if you've ever read the road out of hell.
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No.
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Um, it's a, it's a story about a, I don't even want to get into it.
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If you, if you maybe read it, absolutely don't.
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But this is such that same story.
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It's that same story of this fucking abusive, monstrous family purely by evil will fucking
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corrupting this.
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Oh fuck.
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This is brutal.
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I know.
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This is fucking brutal.
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No, I'm, I'm, I'm past it.
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I'm past it.
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All, all of my previous, like, Hey, maybe, no fucking burn these people alive.
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I will watch this with fucking joy.
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Hey Alex.
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I will watch it.
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If you burn sharp fucking Sheriff Arpaio or whatever that fuck that fuck needs to be lit
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on fire.
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Why is it that everybody that Trump has pardoned except for, uh, uh, what's her phrase?
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Who?
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Kim Kardashian.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She seemed great.
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Fine.
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Why is it that everybody else needs to be burned alive?
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Why?
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And also that's such a weird strategy to all of it, but like, um, yeah, there is a strategy
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to all of it.
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I got it.
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The other thing, the other thing that I want to bring into very, very, very, very sharp
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focus is the amount of play Alex gets off of fears about these globalist child grabbing
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and abusing networks and what have you.
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And when you really look at the reality of this sort of thing, that does exist, the people
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who do it.
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But more importantly, that sort of thing does exist on some scale.
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It's not as big as the abuse that's perpetrated by people who you know.
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Every time he talks about kids in cages, we've talked about this, the only stories you're
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ever going to find are parents who keep their kids in cages with the exception of our border
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policy now.
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Well, Dan Savage, Dan Savage has always brought up for the longest time how, uh, like conservatives
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are so angry about trans people using the bathroom that they identify with.
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And who is the most likely to be assaulted or raped or sexually assaulted in those bathrooms?
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Trans people.
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Who, who is the most likely to sexually assault somebody?
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It is your fucking youth pastor.
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Like these are the people who you are protecting so hard, who are the ones that are the very
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fear you are bitching about.
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It's people with access.
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It's people with positions of trust in people's lives are generally the people who exploit
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that trust.
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Child molesters are what, like 90 percent of the time somebody that the family knows
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and trusts?
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Or like uncle in quotes, you know, like a friend of the family, that sort of thing.
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And I don't, I don't want to give a lengthy treatise on this, but the reason that I think
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that this stuff is so important, and I rebuke your trigger warning, although perhaps I should
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have brought it up, I didn't realize how offensive that might be, just talking about this real
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stuff that they did.
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No, no, no.
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I get you.
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The reason that I think this is very important is because, like, the reality of child abuse
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in America is, a lot of it is done by familial people and by people who are trusted, like
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we said.
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In the name of good parenting all too often.
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Alex creates this boogeyman of this macabre network of Satanists and demons and what have
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you in order to get mad at a problem that he refuses to deal with.
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And like you said, I don't think that this is always the case, but it does seem to track
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pretty well that a lot of the times the people he supports are the people who have this in
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their history.
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They're the people like what we have here.
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People like, I mean, he always talks about that damn plane, you know.
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That fucking plane.
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He always is complaining about Clinton being friends with Jeffrey Epstein.
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As we've gone over multiple, multiple times, Trump has been on that goddamn plane.
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Trump is good friends with him.
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Trump did an interview talking about how he likes his women young.
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It's crazy.
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Like, to me, this is like, this is less interesting and more just like, just stop, dude.
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Yeah.
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Just stop.
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Because I don't believe that Alex doesn't know this.
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I don't believe that.
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Um, you know what?
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That's a good question.
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I don't believe for a second he hasn't heard about this.
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And what he does is say fake news, right?
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But I think people will bend over backwards often to make any kind of excuse for somebody
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that they like.
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Right!
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Like, and this is something that's in the-
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No, we don't!
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This is-
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We don't!
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I like Obama and I want him to go to the Hague!
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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Me too.
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Jordan, we got one more clip.
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Yes!
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The dismount has arrived!
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And this clip, I would say, actually goes back to a conspiracy theory you were peddling
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earlier in the show.
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Oh, was I peddling it?
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About backroom deals.
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Am I peddling conspiracy theories now, dude?
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No, I don't think so.
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That's not fair to me.
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So it's about that idea that Trump and Anthony Kennedy had a backroom deal going on about
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this.
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Right.
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Because they probably did.
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Well, Alex has Roger Stone on.
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So they definitely did.
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The moment Roger Stone is involved with a take, anything that he says is like, oh no,
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that definitely happened.
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Well, it comes up.
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Oh, does it?
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Roger Stone, we were talking, we only have a minute left before I go to this Paul Watson
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report about the fact that the White House doesn't deny a report Trump made a secret
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deal with Kennedy over retirement replacement.
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Well, that's think progress.
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They just didn't respond to it.
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But the whole point is, if Kennedy's leaving and they end up putting his old law clerk
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in there, that would that would make sense.
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It's not illegal of how Trump makes deals to get things done.
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Think progress is the single least reliable fake news site anywhere on the Internet.
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I want to be clear.
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I don't think he's totally wrong.
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I'm not a huge fan of think progress, but at the same time, if you're if you're targeted
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by Roger Stone as being the least trustable, most fake news site, you're doing something
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right.
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I would say they're not my go to for information.
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No, I agree.
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So him getting mad at them like, all right, all right.
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Play the field, Roger.
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Anything they write is false.
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They cannot be taken seriously in any way.
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My point earlier was one of simple speculation.
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I don't know that that happened, but if it did, it would not be illegal if the president
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told Justice Kennedy that he would consider his former clerk, Brett Kavanaugh, who everyone
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agrees is qualified giant in the slightest bit inappropriate.
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So they are now having this conversation where they're like, now, if they did that, that
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wouldn't be bad, which makes me think they fucking did that.
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If Trump did collude with the Russians, it's not illegal when I give Trump did obstruct
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justice.
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It's not illegal.
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I told you if Trump pardoned people illegally, that's not illegal.
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I told you earlier that I feel like there's no concrete footing for us to be on about
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this.
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The backroom deal and what have you.
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This one sounds concrete.
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Well, not concrete, not concrete.
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But boy, does it make me more think like, yeah, they probably.
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Oh, yeah, that definitely happened.
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When I hear Alex Jones and Roger Stone sit around talking about like, well, if he did
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it, it's totally cool.
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That means like, oh, no, there's something even more illegal going on.
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That's the evolution of Rudy Giuliani's public defense of Trump, like, I mean, OK, so maybe
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he took meetings, but we don't get we can't confirm that.
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OK, so, yeah, we can confirm that he took meetings, but even if he did, that's not illegal.
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OK, so maybe those meetings were illegal, but illegal doesn't even mean anything.
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So maybe legal doesn't mean anything.
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Anyways, he should be able to run everything forever, forever.
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Bye.
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I'm out.
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I'm Rudy Giuliani.
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And after we go through all of that, then it's like, hey, I don't have any foreign clients
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anymore now that I'm in Trump's legal team.
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Oh, I still have foreign clients.
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They're mysteriously sort of connected to Trump related things.
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Yeah, I don't talk to Trump about my foreign client.
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It's not a big deal.
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I mean, yeah, I do talk to him about my foreign clients.
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I mean, yeah, they are his foreign clients.
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It's no big deal.
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So Jordan, this brings us to the end of this shit.
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Right.
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With Roger Stone totally telling us the truth.
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Or maybe not even truth he knows, but like preemptive damage control kind of truth.
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See, I have come to the place where now I just instinctively believe that Roger A. knows
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everything and B. is lying about everything.
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Somehow, somehow Roger Stone has taken the just like I've called him a trickster god
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before.
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Well, I've called him Loki.
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But fuck if it doesn't seem like he is everywhere always.
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But I also think he's wrong all the time, because clearly he was the one telling Alex
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that Napolitano was going to be the Supreme Court choice.
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Right.
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But then we can always just rely back on him fucking with Alex for the fun of it.
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No, totally.
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And it's very unclear trying to figure out like where is like, where is the line of fucking
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around?
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Where's the line of like, this is what I care about?
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Right.
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Like, because I was talking with Marty when he was in here about like, what are Stone's
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motivations?
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Yeah.
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And like, I don't fucking know.
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Yeah.
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I can't, I can't.
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I can't nail that down at all.
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No one does.
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No one does.
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He's a lunatic.
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Full of chaos.
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But it's interesting though, too, that like, the trend is very clear within his chaos of
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being like, I'm going to offer a preemptive explanation that'll allow for us to have a
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conversation when the truth comes out, that you can still sell your iodine.
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I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to leave enough open space for me to then
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tell you anything.
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And you might believe me regardless.
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Like it doesn't, his starting point is like an open question.
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It's always, he is, he is such a psychic.
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Like he is such a palm reader where he's doing a cold read and then he's reacting based on
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what you're saying.
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John Edwards.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Not the former vice president.
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No, no, no.
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Yeah.
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But also, oh boy.
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Yeah.
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No, he's, he's just doing that cold read and then the, the react based on how you react
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to him.
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And it is, he's so good at it.
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He is, he is a sleight of hand master.
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He's very good.
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He's very good.
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That's what comes from decades of lying to people.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, he's got, he's got the years.
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And like we could lie to people, right?
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We could fucking lie to people.
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I don't know if we could.
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No, no, but we, I'm saying we could.
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Okay.
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Maybe we wouldn't be good at it at first, but we could lie.
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Oh, if we put the work in.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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We could lie to people.
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If we did the, the 10,000 hours, the Malcolm Gladwell towards lying.
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Well, I mean, you just skipped to the end of what I was trying to say.
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He has.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He's put in that $10,000.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It wouldn't be as high stakes lying.
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So good.
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Like we could, I could lie to you.
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I could lie to my roommates.
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I could lie to my friends.
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It wouldn't be as high stakes as him lying to the president of Ukraine.
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That's true.
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Like people forget that stone like was a part of the stone Manafort.
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That's right.
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They did, they did public relations shit for despots.
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You know what?
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They didn't, they are no slouches in terms of fucking around in international politics.
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I'm going to be honest though.
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I kind of think I would do way better at lying to the president of Ukraine than I would at
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lying to you.
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We know it's personal.
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Oh boy.
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I don't like that.
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It's personal.
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No.
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Cause I also think it would be much more terrifying to lie to a president.
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And so you would be on your toes.
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I would fucking, it would be the delight of my life.
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I want to lie to a president before I die.
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Before I die, I want to lie to a president.
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Don't get me wrong.
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I respect that.
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But I think that the stakes of it being so high, you bring your game face.
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You bring the full power.
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It might emotionally hurt you later, but it'd be easy.
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You think it'd be easy?
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I think it would.
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I don't know if I've ever lied to you.
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I really don't.
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I would have to, I would have to think really hard about it.
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At best my, the best possibility for me to have lied to you would be like, you were like,
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Hey, do you want to do something tonight? and I'd be like, I got a gig.
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That would be the most like, that's the way I lie to my family lying about gigs.
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You know what?
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No, I would not lie to it.
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I lie to my family about having a gig.
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I would not lie to you about that.
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I would tell you the truth.
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I'd be like, nah, I'm not fucking, I'm not in for tonight.
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Right, right, right.
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Tonight is I'm ordering a shit ton of pizza and eating it sadly.
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I mean, maybe you and I are bad examples cause like, why the fuck would we lie to each other?
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That's a good point.
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Again, the stakes are real low.
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Well, and the depths of what were you like, what the fuck am I going to judge you for?
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Yeah, right.
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Like, um.
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That's a good point.
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At a, at a certain point, once you, once you've gotten, that's not even, that shouldn't factor
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into the conversation.
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Yeah, once you've gotten rid of all the shit you normally lie about, what do you got to
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lose?
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Why lie at this point?
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Right.
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You know that I live my life the way I live it.
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Yeah.
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You know, I live my life.
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Yeah.
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Done.
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Neither of it's great.
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I mean, there are people that you might want to impress that you could lie to and I know
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I told you we're going to dismount and I don't know why we've got down this track again sidetracked
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so hard.
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Um, I don't know, man.
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My point is that Roger Stone is a pro liar.
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He is so good at it.
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That's great.
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It is, it is such a, but it's why I hate that he has become something of an anti, he is
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fucking a Walter White in Breaking Bad.
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He has become something of an antihero to me.
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He's Siler on Heroes.
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I want to see, I want to see how far he can take it.
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Like, I want to see what is, what is the comeuppance for his level of lying?
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He's like the political Smokey and the Bandit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's just going to make it.
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He's just always going, he is always one step.
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He is Aladdin.
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He's one step ahead.
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It's incredible.
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I don't think that's true.
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No, I don't think so either, but he really pulls it off.
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He's lying to us about his ability to lie.
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I think we're fantasy booking and like imagining what he's actually doing.
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I think he's much more of a shithead than, uh, than we're wrestling with, but it's more
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fun than anything else because the rest of it really is just like Alex pretending that
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he didn't say that Napolitano is going to be the Supreme Court justice and then being
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like Kavanaugh's great, even though he was involved with Bush in the stuff that Alex
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complains about, big scale about Bush in terms of, in indefinite detention, uh, in terms
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of, uh, like saying that, uh, uh, U S citizens who are deemed enemy combatants don't have
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rights.
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Right.
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That sort of stuff.
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Kavanaugh was fucking involved with that stuff.
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And then Alex not taking into account the reality of who the people that Trump are,
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uh, uh, uh, pardoning are, the fact that they are child abusers, the fact that they are
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arsonists and not in some sort of an innocent backburn kind of way, but, but the, the, the,
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the reality is Alex doesn't give a shit.
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And here's why the principles that would guide him to be against these things aren't real.
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They're for show.
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The things that matter are that like Trump pardoning the Hammonds is a tip of the cap
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to the militias.
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Yeah.
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It's a tip of the cap to the sovereign citizens and the Bundy types in the world and he gets
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it.
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Message received.
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Yeah.
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Thank you so much, daddy.
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Yep.
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There's that.
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Yes.
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That's a great way of putting it.
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Thank you so much.
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Daddy.
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Kevin are coming in.
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Isn't Napolitano.
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Who's a nut.
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Kevin.
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I was a nut.
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He's a nut.
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But Alex like really wrestles with it.
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It's like, yeah, this will probably score points in terms of the things that I care
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about.
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He's not into immigrants.
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He hates women's the right to choose women's access to healthcare.
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He loves guns.
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So like those are the things that are real.
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The shit that's real is I want fucking guns all over the place and I don't like people
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who are different.
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Yeah.
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The New York Times.
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Doesn't matter.
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The New York Times had a some some fuck some fucking fuck.
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Right the liberals case for Kavanaugh.
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I saw that headline.
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I said hard pass.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Right.
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I don't want to know what it is.
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Like like who fuck.
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Shut the fuck up.
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If you if you even pretend that that is a headline that is acceptable.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Are you shitting me?
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Yeah.
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A liberals case for Kavanaugh.
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What's that?
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A liberals case for running into a lake and then lighting yourself on fire and then hanging
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hanging yourself and then tying a rope to your fucking legs with a rock attached to
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it and then falling into that fucking lake and then somehow underwater jerking off so
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hard you light yourself on fire again.
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The only way I accept that is if that article is like 50 something pages long.
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And it's an extensive treatise about how liberal doesn't mean caring about people.
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If Thomas Paine wrote it.
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Right.
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And if it's nailed to a door.
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You know like that's the only way.
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If it's treatise.
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I don't want it on I don't want it on a message board I don't want it on the internet but
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if it's like you know what we're in a different time maybe staple gun.
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Right right.
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I mean that's the only way I give a shit about that.
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That was my biggest quibble with Martin Luther.
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No staple guns.
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No.
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That was the biggest issue I had with the whole the whole Protestant Reformation.
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No staple guns.
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God damn it.
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You know like this is something that's actually been fucking me up for a while.
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Staple guns?
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Kind of.
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Well okay.
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What do we got?
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Like advertising comedy shows.
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I have a staple gun.
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So I put up signs on posts.
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You have a staple gun?
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Are you licensed to use that?
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No.
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Concealed carry?
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Concealed carry staple gun.
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But I would put up I would put up signs on like posts and stuff like that.
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I've seen a couple times recently people posting warnings about like reactionary neo-nazi signs
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that people put up and then they hide razor blades behind them.
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So if you try and take the sign down.
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I've seen that too.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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Then you get your fucked up.
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That terrifies me.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why but that this on a visceral level that has fucked me up for days.
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Yeah.
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I have not encountered it.
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I don't really know if it's like endemic but just the idea of it right so fucking like
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right that's so evil.
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Here's here's the way I immediately react to that.
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That to me sounds exactly like the somebody's putting razor blades in your Halloween candy.
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It's possible.
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Right.
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It sounds exactly like that.
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But at the same time the people who are doing it seem like they would totally do that.
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It's and in fact it bothers me that you said they might do that because I think the people
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who would do that are not smart enough to think of that idea now because you said that
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they might have done that idea.
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They're like oh shit that's a great way to be more evil than we already are.
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It's terrifying.
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That's the terrifying modern terror terrifying.
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Holy shit.
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That's how white we are.
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The most terrifying thing that we are aware of is razor blades behind flyers.
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No I'm much more terrified about a lot of other things but like on a visceral level
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yeah because I've been cut by things and stuff like that I know that like I felt that moment
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and I never want to feel it again or like being surprised by something like yeah like
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the momentum is all like adrenaline is going in one direction and then it immediately changes.
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Like that's.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No thanks.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Just like the liberals argument for why fuck puck buck buck fuck is OK for the Supreme
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Court.
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Wonderful summation.
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Yeah.
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I thought you were just going to do some scat.
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You kind of did.
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You just did a beep bop boop boops.
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Buck buck buck fuck buck fucks.
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I didn't think you were going to land on Supreme Court.
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You didn't think so?
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I thought you were going to go bop boop da dee bop.
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No come on.
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I'm no Ella Fitzgerald.
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No.
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But you are on par with scat man John.
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Rest in peace.
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Scat man.
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A bit of a boop boop boop boop.
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All right.
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Man scat man.
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John was a fucking liberal.
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I know.
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Rest in peace was.
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You ever hear that song scat man's world for somebody who is really interested in the
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dismount.
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All right.
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All right.
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No I have not.
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Are you.
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I'm not going to play it right now.
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Oh my God.
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Knowledge Fight listeners Dan is plugging in his fucking phone.
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We're not even going to wind up doing a solid who's going to go fuck themselves.
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We're going to be too busy listening to this entire goddamn song while Rome burns Dan.
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Dan Rome is burning as we speak.
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Kavanaugh is going to be accepted as a Supreme Court justice.
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We're going to wind up dealing with this fuck for at least another eight years before eventually
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somebody burns this fucking country to the ground.
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Could be us could be them could be whomever.
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But this country is going to be burned to the fucking ground.
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If Kavanaugh is accepted as a Supreme Court justice it's very important.
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But more important is my point right now that man John is a goddamn liberal was a goddamn
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liberal.
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Rest in peace.
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This song scat man's world okay paints a picture.
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All right.
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That I believe should be all.
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I'm going to go home now.
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No you're not.
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You got to finish that beer.
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I like I would like I like how we have arguments that are off topic.
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You're like oh how dare we.
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And then you just play this fucking song way.
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If you are a regular knowledge fight listener how bored is Dan by the present modern day
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Alex Jones.
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He is so bored he's playing scat man world or whatever the fuck it is he's calling out
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from scat land.
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I was going out from scat man's world.
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All right.
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Listen to him you had to learn how to you had to learn to break free you had to learn
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how to see your fantasy it's good to do that now there's a lot of window dressing in terms
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of the scat in terms of that can't scan into the weird synth beat and what have you.
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But listen listen to what he's actually saying.
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Listen to what he's saying.
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I'm amazed you're still doing this bit.
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Listen to what he's saying.
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I'm really shocked by this bit.
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This is how knowledge fight ends.
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Not with a bang but with the scat man lyric right there.
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If part of your solution is the pollution I don't want to hear your stories told I want
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to welcome you to scat man.
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All right.
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All right.
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Skip it.
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All right.
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All right.
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Dan I think if you wanted to look us up and hear more about scat man's world you could
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go to our Twitter.
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We're all calling out from scat land.
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Our website is knowledge fight dot com.
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It's good website.
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You can get a Twitter account at knowledge underscore fight.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are.
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You can go to go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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Rest in peace scat man John.
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Yeah.
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And iTunes.
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Leave a review.
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Also look up scat man John.
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Leave a review on his page as well as ours.
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He's pretty cool.
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That hat.
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I didn't like that hat.
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But be that as it may Jordan.
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I had to choose.
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No I didn't.
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But it's your turn.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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We've got a lot of shitty people here.
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You know what.
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I don't think I heard the end of it.
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Did you guys.
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Did you and Marty choose who to go fuck it.
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We did.
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I believe it was Vince Russo.
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It was Vince Russo.
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Well I'm not getting.
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Vince Russo got told to fuck themselves.
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I'm not going to re up on that one.
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No.
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There's so many people who are terrible.
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We got two Hammonds.
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Two different Hammonds.
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I don't know.
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We got Alex.
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We got we got Cavanaugh.
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We got so many people who suck.
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You know what.
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But the reality of this.
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If you say scat man.
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I'm going to dive over this table.
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I'm not going to.
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I'm not going to do that.
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I wouldn't even dream of doing that.
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You know that my anger is genuine.
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I know.
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I have to say.
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Whoever began.
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We also got Stan Dayo.
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He's in the mix.
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Stan Dayo is in the mix.
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But you don't.
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You don't know.
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Well you do.
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I think whomever in the Hammond family who began that tradition of abuse that led to
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these psychopaths continuing this endless destruction of lives with no concern is ultimately
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deserving of the biggest go fuck yourself along with the Hammonds themselves who again
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I will watch burn alive.
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I agree with you.
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It's incredibly vague but I will join you on three one two three.
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Go fuck it.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Hammonds.
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Yeah.
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We don't know.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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It's amazing.
