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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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Welcome back to the pilot co-pilot chair.
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Thank you, sure.
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I'm thrilled to have you, Cthulhu was very unenthusiastic as a co-host.
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Oh yeah?
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Surprising.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Those elder ones don't really engage with our puny mortal issues.
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Nah, this is petty bullshit, so it's Cthulhu.
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Absolutely.
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But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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I forgot that, what I should have, we're so out of practice here.
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We have a couple days off.
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We take a few days off and it's like, wait, wait, wait, what do we do again?
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I forgot that the introduction is, this is a podcast where we sit around and drink novelty
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beverages and talk about Alex Jones.
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I know, I know.
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And then I usually do an annoying extended bit that no one wants to hear.
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Absurdly long.
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Never anybody is like, oh that was great.
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No one's ever thrilled.
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Uh-uh, no.
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But I'm thrilled about today's show.
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Great transition.
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Thank you.
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Cthulhu did not appreciate this transition.
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Unfortunate.
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Today I got an awesome timeframe for us to go over.
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We're going to be talking about the January 22nd to 25th, 2009 chunk in Alex Jones's
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broadcasting career.
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And man, there's some stuff that's going to blow your mind.
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There's some stuff that blew my mind.
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There's some stuff that should never have happened.
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Okay.
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I want to say this really quick.
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What you're about to witness, what you're about to hear is evidence that 2009 may have
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been the zenith of Alex Jones's mainstream relevance.
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And it plays out in some ways that I don't think any of us could have ever predicted.
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And I think he still thinks he's there, I think, in 2018.
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I'm dancing around this a little bit.
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It'll all make sense.
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Okay.
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I promise.
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I was going to say, is this, are we finding the moment whenever Kylo Ren murders Harrison
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Ford to, to cement his transition to the dark side?
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Is that what we're talking about here?
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No, no, no.
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This is a salad days kind of thing.
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This is, um, looking back at this is like, uh, uh, the halcyon days of Alex Jones being
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relevant to a certain extent.
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I feel like he's more relevant now and less accurate or, or even, all right, Dan, you
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are gesticulating wildly at me.
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This is why I shouldn't have said anything and just let this happen, but I want people,
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I want people to get excited for some of this weird shit and then, uh, uh, something really
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profoundly fucked up that we're going to talk about at the end of this episode.
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Some slime shit, some, some young thuggery, so to speak.
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This is some, it's, it's messed up, but what's not messed up is, uh, our new donors.
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Like to give a shout out to a couple of new policy wonks out there.
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What's going on?
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Oh, this gentleman, uh, used to donate to the show, uh, and is back donating to the
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show, super thrilled to have him back.
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I'm not sure if I should even bring that up and call him a prodigal son.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what your point is.
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He sent me a very nice email and I appreciate it very much.
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And we're thrilled that you are once again a policy wonk.
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So thank you very much out there, Phil.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Means a lot.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much, Phil.
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It's, it's, uh, I, I was waiting for Dan to have a very defensive, like, yeah, that's
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right.
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You are going to donate to our show.
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God damn it.
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That's how good we are.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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You didn't leave the email.
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I saw it in your heart.
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Not at all.
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I didn't have people listening and it's, uh, so much icing on top that anyone supports
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the show.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, we appreciate, uh, also our other new policy wonk out there.
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What's going on, Justin?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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Hey Justin, welcome.
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We appreciate it.
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And this is a new level of, uh, we're, we have to create a new level of policy wonk.
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We now have, for now we have a policy wonk, foreign policy wonk globalist technocrat.
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I don't understand why we have any of these levels.
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I'm shocked that anybody donates us at all.
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It's insane.
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Yeah.
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But on our next level, our next episode, we have a brand new level that we're going to
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be revealing and I'm not going to, this is turning into some Dragon Ball Z type shit.
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Like every time we get somebody, all of a sudden there's Super Saiyan level three.
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What's going on here?
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Well, we're sort of flying by the seat of our pants, but it's true.
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But certain circumstances come up in life that necessitate it.
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And one of those circumstances happened this week.
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Um, it came to our attention, thank you to, uh, policy wonk, Brian, uh, posted in our
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Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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That someone was selling a bunch of old info Wars magazines.
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Oh, that's right.
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You told me about this and a listener, a current technocrat already came through, bought them
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and got them sent to my house.
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Ridiculous.
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So I have an entire collection of info Wars magazine.
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Holy shit.
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Info Wars magazine 2013 2013.
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There's a year.
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Democracy dies.
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There's some interesting things to learn in there about their positions on Sandy hook.
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Oh no.
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Among other things.
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They wrote them down in the real world too.
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That's a bad idea.
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I've gotten, I've gotten through reading one of them entirely.
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And first of all, I mean so much, so many thank yous to Keegan.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah, no, it's incredible.
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And it's the beginning of our library that we're going to be creating about Alex Jones,
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which is the knock Memorial library of bullshit and lies as named by Keegan.
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Very excited about that, but I gotta say, I gotta say it's terrible writing.
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But Obama is also building that one in Chicago too.
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Absolutely crazy.
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He's really on top of it.
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It's terrible writing, but man, the graphic design work is on point.
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Oh yeah.
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I don't know who's doing this graphic design, but it's slick, man.
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It looks good.
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Okay.
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I'm going to post some pictures of it, but like, there's some like, Oh wow.
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It's so it's the guys who do sky mall.
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Is it the same one?
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It's so, so miles above sky mall.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right, Dan.
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Let's see if I can find this one that really just blew my mind.
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Great puns.
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There's one right here and I'll post a picture of it on our website.
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Look at this shit.
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Oh my God.
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There are dinosaurs with fucking MSNBC and CNN and new media is a meteor and there's
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a volcano going off.
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Damn it.
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I mean, this is great.
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This is, this is great graphic design work.
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Yeah, no, that's pretty good.
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It's eye grabbing.
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Anyway, uh, we appreciate it so much.
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Thank you, Keegan.
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And uh, thank you all and everybody out there.
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And it's even debuting the new level that Keegan has achieved.
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Yes.
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And we would be doing that right now, but I forgot to make the sound.
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There that'll happen.
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That'll happen.
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Let's just be perfectly honest about it.
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It looks like the cover that you specifically chose has an eerie resemblance to our poster
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where in the volcano is in the background and I could definitely see you tackling Alex
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Jones volcano.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Anyway.
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Yes.
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Um, speaking of Alex Jones, that was the worst.
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That was the worst transition.
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Let's mark it.
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What do, what's the day?
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Yeah, shit.
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May, uh, May 13th at 4 46 PM.
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Time transitions died.
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Um, but my love of, uh, talking about bullshit has not.
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There we go.
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Transitions back on point.
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That's right back, back to fire by Fred.
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So we start on January 22nd, 2004.
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And it's really interesting that, uh, if you look at the history of the tea party, it says
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one of the things that's going to be very, uh, a big piece of what we're looking at as
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we go forward from 2009.
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If you look at it, it all grew basically out of, um, some of the Koch foundations, like
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freedom works and Americans for prosperity.
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They funded a bunch of the shit like Glenn Beck.
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They basically bolstered him to, uh, to relevance by buying up all of his books.
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So they'd be bestsellers.
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Right for, uh, ads on his show when he couldn't get sponsors.
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So good.
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So I love it.
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I love whenever a small amount of billionaires control all the finances.
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So now the thing that's interesting about that and everything is that citizens, I'm
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sorry, Americans for prosperity and freedom works are two, uh, think tanks that were run.
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Yes.
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They split out of a group that was founded by David Koch and Charles Koch and Koch industries
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in 1984 called citizens for a sound economy.
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Now, you know who the first, uh, chairperson of, uh, citizens for a sound economy was when
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they founded it in 1984?
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I mean, fuck it at this point, Oliver North.
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Ron Paul.
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Okay.
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Interesting connections.
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That sounds right.
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Interesting connections going around.
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And so at this point, um, in 2009, January 22nd is two days before, uh, a gentleman by
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the name of Trevor Leach, who is the chairman of the young Americans for liberty, which
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was aptly named if he is a young American and a young conservative.
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Oh yeah.
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He is a leech on the fucking planet.
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He's a chairman of the, uh, young Americans for liberty, which is a group that sprung
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out of Ron Paul's failed presidential campaign, uh, from the last election.
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Right.
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So he organized what he was calling a tea party to protest the obesity taxes that, uh,
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that the new, the governor of New York had put in place, you know, in terms of like,
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can't buy, uh, large sodas and shit like that already.
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Right.
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So that was on January 24th and many people view it as sort of the kickoff of what would
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end up becoming these series.
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And a lot of it's probably copycat, but a lot of it is also interconnected through coke
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think tanks.
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No, every, every, uh, metaphor we should use to describe these people is akin to the serial
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killer or a kidnapper.
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Well, what they use, uh, in, uh, that, uh, Jane Meyer's book, I'm not sure if she coined
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it, uh, but that book Dark Money, they talk about it as the, uh, the coke-topus.
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The coke-topus?
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The, uh, the cokes with their tentacles going out in all directions.
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And I didn't, uh, didn't Taibbi have a, have a similar octopus based metaphor for Goldman
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Sachs?
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Look, it's a great metaphor.
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It's a good metaphor.
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Everyone knows visually what an octopus is and the way that the word octopus works, you
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can put in a lot of different things there.
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Yeah, but see, here's what I'm saying.
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All right.
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We got octopus, no, no, I'm saying, okay, but if we're going to
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stick in the same family, why not go with a cocalfish?
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You know, you got, it's, it's, uh, uh, it's perfect and camouflaging itself amongst all
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of these other white nationalist bullshit.
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I'm going to, I'm going to stick with cocalfish.
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Uh, citizens for a sound economic squid.
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Doesn't work.
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Economist squid?
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Yeah, it doesn't work.
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So anyway, the reason that I give a lot of this, um, sort of preamble is because something
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happened, the way Alex starts out the show on January 22nd makes me think he's not aware
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of a lot of those forces that are at play.
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Okay.
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The funding that led to the Coke party or the Coke party.
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Well, that's what it is.
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The tea party, all that stuff is already in the works and it's getting ready to bubble
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over because the, uh, the, uh, the formal, um, the protests that went like larger nationwide
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were in February and, uh, in the months after that when, uh, Fox news started covering it
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and all that shit.
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But at this point it is, it is like, it's a little bit under the surface, even to someone
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like Alex, who's best friends with Ron Paul and is the leader of the Liberty movement.
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Ostensibly.
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Right.
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But it's important because listen to this clip.
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It just, it shows a lack of awareness of forces at play.
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I was up here at midnight last night and, uh, saw a clip on Yahoo news.
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I think we sent it to the webmasters.
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They're posting it on info wars.com and prison planet.com.
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We'll play it later.
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We have time of Glenn Beck of all people with Ron Paul yesterday saying world governments
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taking over through the banks.
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Both parties are controlled.
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This is a world government.
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And then he read a founding father quote about banks being more dangerous than standing armies
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that would overthrow America.
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It was like Alex Jones had suddenly possessed Glenn Beck on Fox news.
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And then Ron Paul came in and agreed.
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So I don't even know what that means.
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I guess the establishment thinks Fox news is so discredited with the public that if
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Fox news comes out and talks like Alex Jones, that somehow, so in a way this is starting
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to come out, but no one is talking or discussing the fact that they are about to pub lick Lee.
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I mean, the mainstream news is admitting they're doing it, but then our own movement that's
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been right all along cannot come to grips with the fact that it's actually happening
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now.
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It's here in the next two, three weeks.
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It's here, ladies and gentlemen, racistly.
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So in the next two to three weeks, he's saying that they're going to collapse everything.
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Yeah.
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So that prediction didn't come true.
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No, it did.
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They were right the whole time.
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Didn't they were on the forefront.
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You've always been right.
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If even he knows it, if Fox news is talking like him, they've been totally discredited.
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Yeah.
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Even he is aware of that.
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He's like, Jesus, if these fucking assholes are saying the shit I'm saying, nobody can
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believe them.
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They know there's no stakes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, but also like what he doesn't seem to realize is that like his rhetoric is being
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co-opted for a specific reason.
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And that is because they don't want him involved, but they want what he stands for to be a piece
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of this artificial AstroTurf movement.
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Yeah.
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So it's tough because this is another moment where you can almost sense that he feels left
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behind.
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Like he sees his buddy Ron Paul going on Glenn Beck's show and saying the things that he
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and Ron Paul like to talk about.
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Right.
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And he's like, what were you cheating on me with that fucking mainstream show?
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This is the best.
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This is the best move that Fox news has made in not allowing Alex Jones anywhere near their
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network because once again, as we have proven and as we will, I am certain prove once again,
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uh, or prove again through, through probably this episode, every episode, Alex Jones is
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the weakest link.
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He gives up the game.
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So Glenn Beck as awful and stupid and moronic as Glenn Beck was, he never gave up the game.
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Oh yeah, he did.
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Eh, he didn't give it up.
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No, but I mean in a controlled way.
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You know so little about Glenn Beck.
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Fair enough.
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I don't know much about Glenn Beck.
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I know everything about Glenn Beck.
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Fuck off.
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We're not doing that.
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We're not spinning this show off.
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How dare you?
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No, we're not.
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I don't.
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How dare you?
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I'm not nearly as interested in Glenn Beck because so much of it comes from like his
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Mormonism and stuff like that and his shock jock past really invalidates all of his theatricality
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and fake crying and stuff like that.
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None of them believe anything.
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But he's not as interesting as Alex because at least like there is, I think there's an
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argument someone could make and I wouldn't hit him that like Alex really believes the
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things he's saying.
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Wait, what?
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Did you just say that you wouldn't hit them?
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Yeah.
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I mean like if someone told me, if someone came up to me and told me that Glenn Beck
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really believes the things he's saying, I would hit him.
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Oh yeah.
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No, that's probably, that makes sense.
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How dare you?
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Get that out of your mouth.
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That makes sense.
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How dare you?
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Don't come to me with that.
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Yeah.
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But if someone said that about Alex, I'd be open to a conversation about it because he's
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insane.
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That's true.
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There's so much craft to Glenn Beck's career in terms of like, he was a fake low rent Howard
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Stern doing like prank calls on a morning show.
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He was?
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Yes.
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That was the beginning of his career.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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And then he...
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And they just grabbed these guys and put them on Fox News and then they're...
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He just repackaged himself into someone who was about the old time ways and folksiness.
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He weaved a little bit of Garrison Keillor, a little bit of like Pat Robertson, a little
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bit of Rush Limbaugh, and there you go.
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You got Glenn Beck.
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It's an artificial creation.
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It's very easy to see through.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones is much more confusing.
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I just remember him talking about 912 and I was like, you should die.
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We're going to talk so much about 912.
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He should fucking die.
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Not today.
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Immediately.
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912?
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The moment you say, remember how we felt on 912, I want to murder you.
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912 is not going to come up today, but based on the fact that we're covering tea parties.
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That's something that would make me want to hit somebody is if they came up to me and
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they were like, hey, you know what?
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I don't like your attitude right now.
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Think about how you were on 912.
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I would hit them and say, get that shit out of your mouth.
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You want to know a really fun little piece of information?
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What's that?
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The 912, the nine principles and 12...
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No, nine statements and 12 principles or whatever.
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Wait, what?
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There was...
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It was also an acronym or some sort of bullshit like that?
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Yeah, Glenn Beck put out a publication like about the...
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What?
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The nine affirmations and 12 principles or something like that of like what our movement
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stands for.
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And people bought that shit up.
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Coke line and sinker.
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All right.
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Burn down America.
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No, no, no.
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I don't want them.
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Again, bolstered by Coke money.
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I don't even want us anymore.
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Get rid of America entirely.
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So the 912...
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We don't deserve this planet.
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The principles and guidelines or whatever.
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Again, I can't remember.
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It's like attributes, the 12 attributes or something like that.
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It's nonsense.
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But already infuriating.
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Most of it is completely cribbed from a book by W. Cleon Skousen.
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From our man, Skousen?
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No, that's his uncle.
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God damn it.
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Joel Skousen, who's on Alex Jones' show, his uncle is W. Cleon Skousen, who is a member
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of the John Birch Society.
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Oh, okay.
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And is mostly responsible from everything I've been able to tell for a lot of active
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misrepresentations of people as communists.
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Great.
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Great, great, great.
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We're gonna go...
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Love it.
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We're gonna go much more in depth on that in a future episode.
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I have a couple of book episodes we're gonna do, but I'm preparing those right now.
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So no need to do that.
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But it's interesting to see this lineage of one of Alex Jones' buddies, his uncle, a
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book that he wrote is responsible for Glenn Beck's 912.
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To become more lies.
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Exactly.
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It's all wrapped up in there, man.
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All connected.
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So here's another clip, I guess, about the Kochs being behind the Tea Party and Ron Paul.
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Okay.
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And I just couldn't believe it.
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I couldn't believe that Glenn Beck was saying this.
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Remember Glenn Beck was saying Ron Paul supporters are dangerous, the army needs to be used against
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them, they're domestic enemies.
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This is a misrepresentation of things that Glenn Beck has said, but he has said things
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pretty similar.
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Okay.
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And it is an indication that he's changed fairly recently.
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Yeah.
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For some reason.
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It's curious.
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For some reason.
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It's curious.
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It's odd.
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See, back when Ron Paul could have actually won and was exploding like a grass fire, the
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establishment shot him down, attacked him.
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What, like, they're still away?
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Now the establishment thinks it's too late, that they're getting what they want, they're
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already bringing us into the depression, they don't care.
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Now some US media is being forced to report the truth because they would lose their whole
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audience if they didn't, and their CEOs and people I guarantee you told them, hey, it
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doesn't matter, the truth's out anyways, go ahead and report it.
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The people can't stop us now.
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That's, uh, that's absurd.
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That is an absurd explanation for what's happening.
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Not least of which because I don't think any media company has ever accounted for like,
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oh, well, if we don't tell the truth, we're going to lose a lot of listeners.
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Yeah.
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Or viewers that, no, I don't think anybody needs to worry about that.
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No.
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All right.
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So, uh, here on the, uh, the 22nd, uh, you know what, you know, you know, one of my favorite
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things, some of my favorite things, I was going to say, um, one of them is Alex Jones's
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commercials that he had back then.
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Oh, love him.
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Uh, and so he's, uh, into, never not going to love me some random pants.
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Uh, we don't have a diamond gusset commercial, but in 2009 we get a, uh, in this January
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22nd episode, we get a new sponsor that I've never heard of before.
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And it's a scam to help you get better memory.
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The school of phenomenal memory gives you the training and tools you need to memorize
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any type of information quickly and efficiently.
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Just as you need to exercise to get your body into shape, you need to exercise mentally
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to improve your memory.
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The school of phenomenal memory will act as your personal trainer, guiding you through
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a series of 60 lessons.
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Once completed, you will be able to memorize any type of information, including entire
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books, guaranteed.
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Our course is not based on classic monomic techniques or other tricks that you simply
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can't apply in real life.
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Now, let me ask you, why do you think I don't trust that commercial?
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Uh, well, school of phenomenal memory already seems a little bit overselling.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Overselling it a little bit, guys.
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Yeah.
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Also, uh, the misspelled mnemonic or mispronounced mnemonic.
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That's what they were trying to say?
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Yeah.
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He said mnemonic in there.
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Oh man.
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Oh man.
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Copy that made it to air.
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He mispronounced mnemonic.
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Silent M, baby.
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Did you forget that?
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Maybe you need to take the 60 courses again.
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Monomic.
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Monometry.
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Yep.
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That's crazy.
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60 lessons, 60 lessons.
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And then you will be able to memorize entire books.
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Entire books.
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I feel like nobody's ever been able to do that with just 60 lessons.
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I don't know, man.
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I think that's a pretty absurd.
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Not even, uh, not even mr 10,000 hours would come up with some pop psychology bullshit
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quite like that.
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No, it'd be tough.
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Um, so on this show, uh, Alex Jones brings in our old buddy, the guy who saw Reagan get
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butt fucked himself.
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Hell yeah.
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Bob Chapman comes back.
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Bobby chaps.
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And I've started to, uh, I started to really enjoy Bob Chapman for his, uh, nasally old
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man voice.
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Right.
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And, uh, very much unlike Tracy Chapman.
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It's completely, um, uh, absurd fear-mongering.
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On this episode, Alex seems to have a specific point in bringing him on a use for him that
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I think you'll be able to figure out exactly what's up as the loofah.
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Yeah.
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Unless you understand the game and prepare for it.
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And it's still not too late with Bob Chapman of the international forecaster.com joining
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us, formerly the largest newsletter in the world until he retired for a few years, came
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back, formerly the biggest gold and silver broker individually in the world.
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I want to bring Ted Anderson up, the owner of the Genesis network in the gold and silver
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business for 30 years, currently trying to suppress the price of gold, but it's way up
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again this week.
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Ted bought it when it was a lot lower.
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It can pass on those savings.
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And he's got a quick offer for you today on gold and silver coins.
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But before we go to chatter for a moment, uh, Bob Chapman, how important is it now before
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the true hyperinflation sets in, uh, to get into gold and silver?
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Uh, there is no explanation other than the fact that you must do it if you want to be
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able to stay out of financial harm's way.
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Come with me if you want to live.
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Exactly, exactly.
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So I also enjoy, I also enjoy a beginning clip where, where we get an old fashioned
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Alex Jones arguing with song lyrics.
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I love it.
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Yeah, it's like, no, no, this song is incorrect.
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Ah, ha ha ha.
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This song is incorrect if you buy gold.
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You sirs are indeed not straight out of Compton.
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You just got off a flight.
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I know.
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Um, so I mean, you can see the game real pretty clearly right there that he's having Bob on
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to talk about like how the economy is going to collapse.
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That's what Bob talks about all the time.
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There is no other reason to buy gold.
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I mean, unless you want to survive the coming apocalypse.
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If you don't want to die, buy gold.
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Yeah.
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There's a pause there where he's like, uh, no, there really isn't a reason, but uh, what
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do I got?
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What do I got?
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And so he's on there and he's setting the table more or less for Ted Anderson to come
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in and give his sales pitch right after this clip.
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Ted comes on and talks about his British sovereigns and uh, Hey, you know the only British sovereign
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I want?
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Lady sovereign.
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Shut up.
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Shut up.
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Fuck you.
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I did shut up.
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Why are you even more angry at me for not saying anything?
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Anytime I take a shot, anytime, anytime I fucking go for it, you just look at me weird
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or give me negative points.
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That was not looking at you weird.
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It was a little weird.
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That was not, that was just, I raised an eyebrow at you, sir.
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That is not a weird look.
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That is not a weird look.
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It was an incredulous eyebrow raise.
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It was simply a response.
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Fair enough.
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So that's interesting and that's a fun game that they get to play.
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Try and move some of Ted's gold.
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It's a little bit like a, like a timeshare sales pitch.
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Like they bring somebody in to tell you like, Oh man, I have a timeshare right now.
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It is incredible.
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And I'll tell you something.
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I don't even know why human beings don't all have timeshares.
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Have you ever had a timeshare?
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Now you've got to get one.
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And here's Ted Anderson and he's going to tell you about the cost.
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Yep, absolutely.
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Bob Chapman and Alex are the people you come in and have your like, you have a little meal.
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They give you a free sandwich.
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And you're having a great time.
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And then, uh, then you get Ted Anderson with the hard sell.
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Oh yeah.
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You want a margarita before we get the hard sell going?
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Sure.
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Absolutely.
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That's I mean, you can see that game playing out there.
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It's fascinating.
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Like it's, I don't know what else to say about it, but like, if you're a solid two man con
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game, but if three man, but if they're all in on it, but if you're listening to that
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and you don't understand what they're doing, like, I feel very sad for you.
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You poor girl.
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But the reality is that there's a lot of like old people, the same people who are victims
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of like QVC, who don't understand what's going on.
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And they're the ones that got ripped off by Ted Anderson.
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Right.
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Anyway.
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Or, or your, uh, your prosperity gospel is built entirely upon the backs of dumb old
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people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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So, um, on this, the 22nd, we're again, two days into Barack Obama's inauguration.
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Right.
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He is two days into his presidency.
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Given a great chance.
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And man, oh man, the stars are out.
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Uh-huh.
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Alex Jones on the 22nd, uh, Joe Rogan is in town.
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So Joe Rogan comes into studio.
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Gonna drop by.
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We get to, we get to hear a little bit of what Joe Rogan is like on Alex Jones.
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Where's our, is our, is our buddy Eddie Bravo there?
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Eddie Bravo's still in the dojo training.
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Being sweet and dumb.
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I don't know if Eddie Bravo was a, like a media figure in 2009.
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Like I'm sure, I bet, I don't know their history, but I bet him and Joe were friends.
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Yeah.
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Like I bet they knew each other in 2009.
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Right.
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But I don't, I don't, I don't know if anyone cared about how stupid he was or how charming
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he was, how delightfully stupid he was.
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But Joe Rogan is in town.
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He's in Austin.
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And so he comes into Info Wars Studios and through it, we kind of realize that Alex and
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Rogan have exactly one story together that makes their friendship.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're live.
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We're about to go to break here in a moment.
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Joe Rogan, my good buddy visiting here in Austin is busy beating up the microphone right
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now.
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We're going to talk about a lot of stuff in the next hour and 10 minutes.
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Joe, good to have you here.
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Good to be here.
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Thanks, buddy.
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What's going on?
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I like how we just shook hands, even though we've already shook hands and hugged and we,
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we got to shake hands for you guys.
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Exactly.
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Very important.
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Are you saying it's bad?
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No, I'm not saying it's bad.
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Keep it real, Jones.
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Keep it real, Jones.
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I'm about to shout one day closer to victory.
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You know, Joe just can't believe I actually really like this.
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This is what I'm really like.
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Oh, I know.
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I believe you like this.
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I've known you for a long time now, man.
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I was thinking we met in 99.
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So this is actually 10 years.
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You remember when, when, when I did my, uh, DVD that I filmed in Austin, the belly of
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the beast, you and I wore George W. Bush, Max and Herbert Walker, Bush mask.
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We did a little satanic dance to show the satanic.
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It's going by.
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We went running around the, uh, the, uh, the grounds of, uh, the state Capitol building.
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And people thought we were nuts cause we weren't.
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That's the only story they really have.
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They bring it up like twice on this episode and they brought it up on when he was on Rogan's
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podcast.
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They bring it up every time.
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It's like, so they wore ex-presidents masked and did not rob any banks.
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Yeah, no, I mean, you can find the video of it.
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It's on YouTube.
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It's just them running around in masks and then smoking weed in the bathroom.
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Um, it's nonsense.
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All right.
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That's, that's some, that's some shenanigans.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's charming on the scale of Alex Jones things.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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It would be like if you and I were friends for 10 years and the only story that we had
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was that time that we did shows in the burbs and had a great time together.
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Oh yeah.
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Like if that was it.
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Oh man.
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Do you remember every time that we got on air together, it was just, that came up.
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I mean, it would be like, oh, you're trying to really reinforce that you're friends when
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you're not.
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Well, well, it's kind of showbiz.
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It's kind of like one of those, uh, you think we're friends.
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I know we're not really friends, but you're so nice.
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There's a, there's so nice to me.
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There's a slight imbalance and it's interesting that it's even there in 2009.
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Joe Rogan's got that news radio money, baby.
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He's doing UFC at this point.
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Oh, okay.
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He's, he's, he's loaded and he, I mean, he was an at, he was a in demand standup.
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He was.
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No, at 99.
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Absolutely.
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So it's interesting you brought up news radio, uh, because we talked about it at great detail
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in that time we went and did shows in the suburbs about how much we love news.
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That's actually true.
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Yeah, uh, news radio is a great show.
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And, uh, Rogan talks a little bit about being on it and then something happens.
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And it's because of that, you know, I, I got to really appreciate like the craft of creating
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like a good television show.
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So it makes it hard to do another one afterwards.
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That's why in a sense that fear factor was a good thing to do because it was way better
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to do that than a crappy sitcom.
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It's like, let's just do this goofy game show.
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You know, that's not really supposed to be a job.
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Demons.
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It never happens unless you have a big guest in studio.
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We have multiple backup lines.
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Our connection to the satellite just cut out, but we have backups to satellite.
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You have backups to satellite.
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So the connection cut out and you think that it's the government is doing this?
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No, no, it only happens if I have Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura in studio.
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It only happens if Charlie Sheen's on.
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We probably have one of those guests every month and it only happens when a big guest
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is on generally.
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Well, I'm a far less threatening than any of those gentlemen.
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We have four backups to the satellite, so we're fine.
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You need not worry about me.
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I'm a comedian.
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Comedian.
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Joe's kind of making fun of Alex throughout this.
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Yeah, oh yeah.
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It's a little bit...
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So you think the government did it?
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All right.
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Well, then he's like, new world order.
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I'm not as scary as them.
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You need not worry about me.
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I mean, you even heard it in the last clip.
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He was sort of making like, we're one day closer to victory.
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Like doing an impression of Alex to him.
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But, you know, Rogan's not totally not into some of the things that Alex is into.
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Oh no, of course.
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In this next clip, he describes how passionate he is about Ron Paul.
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I want to play part of this clip in a minute so you can hear it.
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But first off, your view of Ron Paul.
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Well, I think he's the only guy that's saying, listen, we need a radical restructuring of
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our government.
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He's absolutely correct.
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And he is what a real conservative is supposed to be.
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I mean, by all stretches of the imagination, I mean, that guy's a real...
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I mean, there's no way you can say by any stretch of the imagination that he's not a
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conservative.
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I mean, he's a real conservative, a fiscal conservative, a social conservative.
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But he wants people to be able to do whatever they want.
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He believes in states' rights.
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He believes that the federal government is completely out of control, that it's too big.
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He believes that, you know, we have to get rid of the IRS.
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It's a flawed institution.
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He believes we have to get rid of the Federal Reserve.
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He believes all these things that totally make sense.
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And when he says these things on TV, they laugh and they make it like it's a joke.
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Even though we know that the system is completely...
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It's just completely unfixable.
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I mean, if you look at the way it is now, just it's a honeycomb of corruption and just
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bureaucratic BS and red tape.
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Sure.
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What were you responding to?
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I can't even...
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Now I can't even remember.
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What? What? Oh, man.
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Just...
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Shit.
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What the fuck is he talking about?
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think that...
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Oh, no, no.
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Whatever he's like...
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Everybody knows it's a good idea to get rid of the IRS and to get rid of the Fed.
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Everybody knows this.
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Everybody doesn't know that.
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No, no.
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Excuse me.
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Excuse me, sir.
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No.
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It's easy to get seduced into Ron Paul's line of thinking because he is very sensible about
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foreign entanglements and stuff like that and drug policy.
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And so if you're someone like...
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Oh, and even like private prisons he's against.
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Right.
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So like those sorts of things.
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If you're someone like Joe Rogan who smokes weed all the time and is generally inclined
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towards pacifism...
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And rich.
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Yeah.
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Usually you're far more susceptible to the abolish the Fed and the IRS kind of nonsense.
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But like the idea...
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So Ron Paul's...
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One of his biggest rallying cries that goes around is audit the Fed.
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Audit the Federal Reserve.
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Sure.
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And this is sort of a misconception.
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He's playing on people's unawareness of what actually goes on.
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Yeah.
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Because you can go to the Federal Reserve's website.
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And audit them?
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Does the Federal Reserve ever get audited?
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Yes.
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Full stop.
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Period.
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Next question.
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What else you got, Fac?
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The Board of Governors, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks and the Federal Reserve System as a
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whole are all subject to several levels of audit and review.
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One, the Government Accountability Office conducts numerous reviews of Federal Reserve
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activities every year.
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Two, the Board's financial statements and its compliance with laws and regulations affecting
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those statements are audited annually by an outside auditor retained by the independent
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Office of Inspector General.
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The results of this independent audit are released to the Congress and the public.
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Three, the Board's Office of Inspector General conducts independent audits, evaluations,
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and criminal investigations related to the programs and operations of the Board, as well
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as those Board functions delegated to the Reserve Banks.
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Sounds fake.
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Four, the financial statements of the Reserve Banks are also audited annually by an independent
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outside auditor.
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Don't believe it.
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Fifth, each week the Federal Reserve publishes its balance sheet and charts of recent balance
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sheet trends.
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It also provides an interactive guide to the Fed's balance sheet.
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The balance sheet is included in the Federal Reserve's H-4-1 statistic release, quote,
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factors affecting reserve balances of depository institutions and conditions statement of the
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Federal Reserve Banks.
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Nobody could do it within a week.
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That's clearly fake.
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Well, no.
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It's all lies.
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No, that part is just about their balance sheets.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Nobody could figure out what their balance sheets are every week.
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Come on.
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They got a whole fucking team doing it.
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Making it up.
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So, like, I-
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We got a team making it up.
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I don't quite understand where the line is drawn between the, like, rally and cry to
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audit the Fed and the reality of what is done.
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You know, like, what is not being done that they want done.
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Oh, all of it.
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But, okay, great.
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I don't understand.
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That's the answer.
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What do you think the answer is going to be?
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The answer is you bring that stuff and they'll be like, yeah, but, and that's all of it.
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What do you think isn't being audited?
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Oh, all of it.
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No matter what, it's unsatisfying.
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Yeah.
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And we get that same thing, that same bullshit from Rogan that drives me insane about these
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fucking stupid assholes is always like, oh, well, it's a honeycomb.
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It's a complicated system.
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And it's like, yeah, cause it's a fucking insanely complicated system.
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No matter how many rules and shit you write into there, there's always going to be an
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angle.
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There's always going to be a loophole and it's going to be based on like a one word
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where like with the-
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There's always going to be con men in the mix.
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And guess what?
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You're on one of their shows.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Or like with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
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Yeah. Like the guy who is in there now probably shouldn't be because according to the law,
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it is the outgoing director who can appoint his follower in the interim or whatever it
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is. Right.
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But this is based, the reason that there's a challenge is that it's based on a law that
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was written that kind of says that that supersedes what the president may appoint.
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But it's like, it's the difference between like should or could.
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Like in the entire law, the entire argument is based on, well, maybe they meant to say
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this, but what they actually said was could.
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Like that's it.
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Like there's no way you can write perfect bullshit on there.
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That's why it becomes so complicated.
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That's why lawyers are well-paid.
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Yeah, because it's insane.
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Semantic breakdown shit.
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So one of the other reasons to be sort of frustrated with Joe is that as we saw in the,
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what was it, beginning of 2017 when Alex was on Rogan's podcast, one of the chief complaints
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that I had was that Rogan would say something sort of maybe challenging or like a question
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for Alex.
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Alex would lie to him and then Joe would be like, oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's right.
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And that's almost the entire interview.
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Yeah.
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It's that repeatedly.
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And then also Joe talking about working for the UFC.
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Yeah, that was fun.
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Like a collegial interview of Rogan's career, which we have no need to listen to.
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But here is Alex saying that Obama is going to be worse than Hitler and Joe saying, huh?
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But I mean, you know, I don't just make things up.
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I've got just reams of evidence.
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Obama is probably going to end up being like Adolf Hitler.
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I mean, I'm saying, I'm saying if you think Bush was bad, prepare yourself.
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Really?
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You really think that he's going to, I mean, but I know it.
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I know it.
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And then it's just accepted.
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It's sort of like, huh?
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But he gave him a chance.
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Yeah.
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He gave him a day.
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And now, you know, he's got reams of evidence.
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Well, the spoiler is that behind the scenes right now in January 2009, Alex is editing
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and producing his Obama deception documentary.
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He's already on it?
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That's a quick turnaround time on the 20 South Park episode level.
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Later on, I don't think it's on the episodes that we're covering.
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He gives the release date of it and it's like, yeah, it's like he's rushing this to print.
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Okay.
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Basically.
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And it's like, you understand that painting Obama in a really negative dictatorial light
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only serves your interest in selling this documentary that you're creating.
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Yeah.
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It kind of gives a sense of like, oh, that's why you're doing this so fast.
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Okay.
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That's why you didn't give him a chance.
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You need to get this documentary money.
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I'm guessing they definitely wouldn't have, although I would have almost liked to live
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in an alternate history where we get the McCain-Palin deception.
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Oh, yeah.
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That would be fun.
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I bet it wouldn't have happened.
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I bet it wouldn't have happened.
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I can't think of any reason why, Dan.
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If 9-11 hadn't happened, I doubt that Alex would have made a...
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We never would have gotten 9-12.
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Well, certainly not.
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We wouldn't have even made it that far.
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But I bet that Alex wouldn't have made any documentaries that were harshly critical of
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Bush.
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I mean, he might have.
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We can't rewrite history like that.
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We have no idea what could or would have happened.
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So who cares?
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We're going to have to develop an interdimensional travel machine.
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Or perhaps contact some of our friends.
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In Vacaville, Bristol.
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Exactly.
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Call Mark.
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So despite Alex saying that Obama's going to be worse than Hitler, Joe thinks maybe
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he'll be okay.
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Who knows what his motivation is?
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I mean, his motivation may be pure.
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I mean, his motivation may very well be that he's trying to fix the predicament that we're
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in.
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Or...
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He may be a New World Order shill, ladies and gentlemen.
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I have him on video calling for a New World Order.
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Oh.
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What's he saying?
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He said we all want a New World Order.
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Is that what he said?
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Yeah.
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Well, do you think that people, when they say a New World Order, do they mean like a
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New Order to the world?
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Well, they've all written books.
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Or do they mean like New World Order as in like Darth Vader type stuff?
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Well, his advisors have written books about what they mean.
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What did they say?
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Like Rahm Emanuel said, National Forest Service.
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Everyone will have to serve.
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And they say the New World Order means a world government.
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One world government.
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Run by the private banks.
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Oh, what a good idea.
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He's fucking with you, Alex.
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A little bit, but at the same time, he's not pushing back.
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He's like, what books?
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He should have said, what books?
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What are you talking about?
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They have a citation of when they say New World Order means a global government run
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by the banks, as opposed to the good question that he did ask.
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Is it possible they just mean a new way that the world would be ordered in?
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Ordering the world in a new fashion.
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Right.
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Because the old way sucks.
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Especially considering the fact that just mere moments ago, he was screaming to get
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rid of all of the institutions.
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Which would be a New World Order.
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Creating a New World Order.
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Well, it would be a really old World Order.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Because that's all they really want.
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That's a very different rallying cry.
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Old World Order.
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You know, it's interesting.
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This might be premature for me to bring this up, but I've been reading Carol Quigley's
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book, The Tragedy and Hope, because so much of this is based on misrepresentations of
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that.
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Even Carol Quigley has come out and been like, that's not what I was writing about.
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That's not what I was saying.
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Hey, guys.
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Hey.
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Hey, guys.
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Come on now.
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One of the things that's so, so much a focus of people like the Austrian School of Economic
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and the Mies Institute, which are big parts of Alex Jones's philosophical underpinnings,
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are a desire to get back to the gold standard and their desire to go back to pre-1914 economics,
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which is when the Federal Reserve System was begun.
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Oh, and I remember how great it was.
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All of the history books, history books.
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It was wonderful.
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But what's interesting is that in Carol Quigley's book, if you look at it, he does talk about
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how there is a network of bankers and stuff that were trying to manipulate things after
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World War I.
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Yeah, because that just makes good financial sense.
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But what Alex never takes into account and never really discusses is that their goal
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was to bring back the gold standard.
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Don't add these competing thoughts in my head, Dan.
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No, because there's this weird thing that these globalists, these proto-globalists that
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Alex is taking as being like the people that Carol Quigley wrote about.
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They were the beginning of the networks, interconnected, killing us all.
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They have the exact same goals as the Mies Institute.
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Well, yeah, but that's because we all know they were correct.
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Right.
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I don't know what to think about that.
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But anyway.
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Look, everyone's full of shit.
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You can want to do evil even in the service of a good idea.
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See, Dan?
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So these globalists, they're co-opting the get back to the gold standard argument in
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order to further cement their power.
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They're trying to reclaim it.
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So as we know, as we know, if that were to succeed, if we were to go to the gold standard,
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then they would be able to cement their power.
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So of course, we need to go to the gold standard in order to keep them from doing that, Dan.
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It's too obvious.
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Makes so much sense.
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It's too good of a strategic move.
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Genius.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I remember in Sun Tzu's The Art of War, do whatever your enemy does.
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Right.
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Just do it.
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And then blame them.
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And then tell them all.
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Accuse them of the same thing.
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You guys are the worst.
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Boo them.
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Boo your enemy.
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After Rogan leaves, Alex has another guest.
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And we don't have any clips of him, but it's worth bringing up.
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He has Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo on.
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Okay.
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He has him on every now and again back then.
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It's really fucking interesting because Art Acevedo does an impression of Alex to his face.
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Okay.
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All right.
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But also there's sort of a sense of like, why are you here?
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A kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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And yeah.
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Why is he there?
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Because he believes in outreach and he believes in community connections and stuff like that.
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So he makes it a priority to go around.
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Like I've looked into him and like, as much as you can ever like a cop,
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I kind of like a lot of the stuff that he seems to be about.
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Seems like a good dude.
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It seems like it.
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I don't know.
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And again, I haven't looked into him enough to give him a rubber stamp.
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Right.
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But I was reading this long article about it.
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He's now the mayor or not the mayor.
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He's now the police chief of Houston.
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Okay.
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He came over in like 2016 from Austin to Houston to work on that department.
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That's a pretty solid step up for him.
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And during Hurricane Harvey, he was fucking out there with his people,
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like trying to save elderly people from buildings.
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He had this whole thing where he didn't trust the electronic and automated gauges
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that would tell him where there was danger.
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So he had all of his people out monitoring particularly vulnerable sites for flooding,
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where there were old people and disabled people there that would need help.
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He was just proactively trying to make sure that the damage would be as low as possible.
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And that's one of the major reasons that cited for why the death count wasn't higher,
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is because of his really active, really engaged approach.
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All right.
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So he did some heroic ass shit.
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Well, yeah, I would say so.
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Yeah.
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And it falls in line with the philosophy that he espouses for policing on Alex's show
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and in interviews that I've read with him since,
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that is like, you're going to make much better work if you get out there.
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Don't murder people.
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Well, there's that, yeah.
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And he also has a very strong position of keeping his officers accountable for their actions.
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Trying to make body cameras automatically turn on as opposed to,
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oh, you got to turn it on yourself.
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Right, right, right.
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Get around shit.
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Could never, could never imagine getting around that.
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So for as far as a cop goes, I think he's pretty cool.
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Seems pretty on the level.
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Yeah.
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All right, all right.
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I buy it upon further review.
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Right.
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And so the two of them have a fine, again, just jovial conversation with each other.
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And a bunch of the time, Alex keeps trying to bring up that lady who got arrested for
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spelling a Bloody Mary on an airplane.
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And our day's debate is like, I don't know that story.
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I mean, you have to send it to me.
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It was just that over and over again.
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He's like, I can't comment on that.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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What do you mean you can't comment on something you don't know anything about?
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What do you think I'm doing?
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It'll be unprofessional.
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Anyway, we move on now to January 23rd.
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Yes.
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And it's just this on the 25th because 24th is a Saturday.
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There's no show on the 23rd.
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We get who my voice went weird.
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On the 23rd, we get a little glimpse into what Alex Jones's finances looked like back
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in 2009.
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And so we're going to be attempting to expand what we're doing here.
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So I want to be clear.
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We're not in trouble.
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It's just that we want to do more.
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And frankly, we get more financial support.
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I won't.
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I'll be able to spend my time focusing on issues and fighting the globalist and awakening
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people rather than worrying about, well, can I get a microphone?
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Can I get a camera?
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Can I get this server we need?
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I mean, we need servers right now.
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And that's one reason Prison Planet Forum was down.
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I mean, we need more support.
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So at this point, Alex Jones had to legitimately be concerned about buying a microphone.
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Yeah.
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And like, I mean, I don't like that.
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I want to get back to that.
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I don't know what the like what sort of mics he's using, but like a like a good mic couldn't
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be more than like a thousand dollars.
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So the idea that he has to be concerned about a thousand dollars, it gives you a sense of
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the operation that he's running at this point.
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Now, I mean, at the same time, it's important to be thrifty.
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Sure.
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It's important to get your highest quality for your lowest dollar.
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That makes sense.
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Stenheisers were like ninety five bucks.
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They've served me well for five years.
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Probably get solid results out of something that isn't necessarily the top of the line.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, he could he could very easily be talking about.
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I don't have five hundred bucks.
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Yeah.
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So that's a glimpse.
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That's a snapshot of January twenty third, two thousand nine.
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That's where Alex's finances are at or he's trying to sucker people into giving money.
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I'm not entirely sure it could be one of the two.
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I'm inclined to believe it's the prior, though.
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Well, he did he did a preface it with we're not in trouble, which in Alex Jones parlance
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is never means you're in trouble.
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No, I think I think I took that as sincere, like because he's asking for money.
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If he's wanting money, we are in trouble is the way to get it.
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Right.
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Then you make the situation much more dire.
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You make it like we need your support.
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We're in trouble.
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Him saying we're not in trouble means like, yeah, we could use your money, but, you know,
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I'm not going to fucking be manipulative about it, even though I am being manipulative with
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my bullshit.
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OK.
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So, Jordan, I mysteriously told you at the top of the show that this is the pinnacle
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of Alex Jones's relevance, relevant mainstream relevance.
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Well, and I you know, we had that interview with with Joe Rogan.
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Yes.
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Celebrity Joe Rogan.
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Big celebrity.
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Yes.
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I know I didn't say that sarcastically.
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I couldn't tell.
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I was looking down.
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So you also had you also have an interview with legitimately the police chief of Austin.
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Yes.
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So there's cultural relevance or community relevance.
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Right.
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He's there and the chief is giving him the time of day to come into studio for like an
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hour.
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That's pretty that's pretty legit stuff.
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Yeah.
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But then on the twenty third, something happened that I never expected to happen.
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Angelina Jolie.
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Chris KRS one, Parker Parker, originally formed the group with Scott LaRock, who was trying
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to break up a street fight and help spark Kara's as one's ambitious anti-violence crusade,
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which is probably around the country right now, speaking to the youth.
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But it was BDP's productions blend of hip hop with reggae dance and rock influences
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that set the group apart from other message oriented rappers, as well as KSR one's dextrous
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verbosity and blunt beat since growing up.
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Porn, how KSR one, how surreal is it to hear him read that bio?
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He is reading it very uncomfortably.
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KSR one, KSR BDP.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, God.
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KRS one is on the show.
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Why?
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What?
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I don't know.
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Is he going to do a couple of tracks?
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No, he's not.
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But it does turn out that KRS one is very much afraid of the New World Order and the Illuminati.
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Yeah, but he should be.
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Yeah, I guess.
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I don't know.
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Look, if anybody should be afraid of the New World Order in any form, should be KRS one.
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So what?
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I mean, like, man, I don't I don't know what I don't know what to think about this other
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than like, if on the next episode, like J Roo, the damage just shows up.
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I'm going to be like, right.
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What could happen?
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What happened?
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Fuck.
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Yeah.
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Oh, KRS one.
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I know at the same time.
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You know what?
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I want I want Master P been on.
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He made Alex say, oh, you know what?
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I bet Master P would go on, but I bet Alex wouldn't have him.
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That's what I would guess.
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That's not fair.
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No.
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How about Kane?
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You want to go with Big Daddy Kane?
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You think I'm at the pro wrestler?
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No, we already.
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Yeah, we already know he's on there.
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It's just super weird to me.
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And I would really love to talk to KRS one now and ask him what he thinks.
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Like, do we want to go back on?
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I think that was a good idea.
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And not to be a dick about it, but like, you know, it is another when I say his
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mainstream relevance, the toxicity of what he puts out isn't so overt yet.
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At this point that someone who is a smart, insightful person like KRS one
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could come on Alex's show and find common ground with some of the things of like,
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yeah, I don't like violence and stuff like that.
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Controversial take.
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They talk a bit about violence and what have you.
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I disagree with the way they look at the New World Order and stuff like that.
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But I understand that that's also a widespread belief that people have.
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So it's not like KRS one is insane to think that.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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It's just, I'm struggling.
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This is a little bit similar to like if Killer Mike went on today.
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Yeah.
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You know, like that could...
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That couldn't happen.
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I actually kind of could see Killer Mike doing that.
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I couldn't see that.
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You don't think so?
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No.
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I could see Killer Mike.
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It's too public, the shit that Alex stands for now.
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There's no way that that someone who has a career
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would like, even if they are leaning that way, like Killer Mike did do that interview with NRA TV.
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Yeah.
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Have you people got all mad about?
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Yeah.
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But I still don't think that I just I think you would get too much flack
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because you would go on and then all of your fans would end up posting all the
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times he said really fucked up stuff about black people and shit like that.
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Right.
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And then you'd be like, oh shit.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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Right.
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Or LP would pull him aside and be like, hey,
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here's all this fucked up shit he said about black people.
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Don't go on his show.
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Right.
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And even if it is just like we see eye to eye on guns would be no way.
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Well, they don't see eye to eye on guns because Killer Mike would like black people to be armed.
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Alex says he would.
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Yeah, I don't think he does, though.
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Like most gun control reforms in America, it's going to be once black people start getting guns,
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all of a sudden everybody's going to be for gun control.
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Well, I mean, did you did you read this story the other day?
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I was going to retweet it, but I don't like to retweet the taste du jour about Infowars.
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But the story about Rakem Belogan, who was a gentleman who got arrested because of he
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was labeled a black identity extremist.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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And they've been secretly surveilling him
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and predicting his movements using Palantir and the like.
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And if you read the article here on The Guardian, it says, quote, investigators began
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monitoring Belogan, whose legal name is Christopher Daniels, after he participated in an Austin,
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Texas, rally in March 2015, protesting against law enforcement, special agent Aaron Niley
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said in court.
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The FBI, Niley said, learned of the protest from a video on Infowars, a far right site
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run by commentator Alex Jones, known for spreading false news and conspiracy theories.
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Wait.
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The reference to Infowars in court stunned Belogan, quote, they're using a conspiracy
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theorist video to justify their tyranny.
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That is a big insult.
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They referenced Infowars in court?
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That's not good.
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Your lawsuit or charges or indictment should be tossed immediately.
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And the reason that you're saying a black person with a gun sparked my thought of this
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is because there's a picture in this article of him with a gun standing there with a handgun.
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Yeah.
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Awesome.
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I see that picture and I don't really like I'm not terrified of it, but that would scare
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the shit out of Alex.
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So anyway, it's really fucked up.
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It's that's it's these are the sorts of things that you got to really you got to understand.
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These are the real world effects of what Alex puts out there.
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COINTELPRO was a great program and I'm glad they brought it back.
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So here comes Alex.
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He reads another like a minute and a half of KRS-1's bio, but we don't need to read
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it.
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All he does is stammer over hip hop stuff.
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Right.
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He's just confused by all of these things.
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I love Grandmaster Flash.
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And so here's his introduction where he reassures his audience that this is the good hip hop.
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What?
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Exactly.
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OK.
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All right.
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To the bottom of the hour, KRS-1 is our guest.
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He's on a Texas tour coming up a little while.
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He's in North Texas, going to be speaking to a group of high schoolers about how horrible
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the shoot him up culture is that we have not just with black youth, but Hispanic youth.
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It's happening in rural areas.
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And he really speaks out against all the gangster rap, you know, go out and kill each other,
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go out, deal drugs, all of that.
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And he has really turned millions of people away from that.
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But he's a pioneering hip hopper, sold millions and millions of records.
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In August of 1987, his partner, La Rock, was murdered and that's what got him going on
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to stop the violence movement that went nationwide in 1989.
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And again, so this is the good hip hop.
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This is the stuff that's really uplifting.
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Right.
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And he just does an amazing job.
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He's also involved in 9-11 Truth and Anti-War.
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And we're just really, really excited to have KRS-1 on the show with us.
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It's great to have you, sir.
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Hello, how are you?
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How surreal is that?
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That's the sound of the Saudis.
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How surreal is that?
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Just to hear his voice after Alex's long rap up.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how to deal with any of this.
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So here, Alex, they're talking about cultural violence and KRS-1's making the argument
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that it's a piece of us, it's a piece of our history.
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Just biologically, we seem to have violence, but we can rise above it and what have you.
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Then Alex brings out one of his favorite old chestnuts.
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Well, KRS, the Pentagon has done studies in the 40s, 50s, right through to today that
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within four days of no food or water, most people start stealing.
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Within 10 to 15, 90 plus percent of people start murdering for food.
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So that's just a fact.
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Wow, wow, you just added to my lexicon of truth here.
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Wow, really, four days?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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There...
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Oh man, KRS, there is a reason that you are immediately incredulous.
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Go with that instinct.
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Yeah, so...
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Stick with it.
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It's interesting.
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Why does everybody just believe that bullshit when he says it?
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It's the exact same thing that Rogan does.
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Oh shit, is that true?
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You didn't even bother asking that part, you just believed him.
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These fuckers need to seriously learn a lesson from telemarketers where it's like two rebuttals.
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Two rebuttals before you hang up the phone.
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It's like, cite those papers, cite the studies.
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I'll tell you this, I spent quite a while trying to find these studies.
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I can't find these studies.
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Uh, shocker.
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I also searched Infowars.com for all sorts of word combinations.
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Pentagon study, murder, kill, societal breakdown, 15 days, all of it.
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I searched for everything.
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There's no article on Infowars where he backs up and gives citations for this.
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But!
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Yeah, but it's just historically true.
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As you can go back and see through every major disaster,
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90% of the human race has eventually eaten other people.
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I would like to read to you here from an article in Slate titled
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What Really Happens After Societal Collapse?
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Dog Eat Dog or Lions and Lambs Lying Together?
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It's an article from 2017 and it cites this.
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Quote, in a 1961 paper that was unpublished until 1996,
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sociologist Charles Fritz laid out the case for his contrary perspective,
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that disasters and other majorly stressful events don't necessarily result in societal breakdown and trauma.
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Fritz, who had begun his observation of disasters while stationed in Berlin
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during the Blitz...
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Can't trust the Krauts.
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Sorry, Britain during the Blitz.
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Can't trust the Brits.
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...reported that during the time he saw, quote,
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a nation of gloriously happy people enjoying life to the fullest,
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exhibiting a sense of gaiety and love of life that was truly remarkable,
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with Britons reaching beyond class distinctions, sharing supplies,
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and talking to people who they had never spoken with before.
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Marshalling sociological and historical evidence,
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Fritz recounts example after example of people pulling together in the midst of tragedy.
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Black and white police militia members uniting to maintain order
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during the yellow fever epidemic in Memphis in 1878.
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Enemies forgetting old quarrels during the German bombing of Krakow in World War II.
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Community members reporting strengthened personal relationships with neighbors
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after the White County, Arkansas tornado of 1952.
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Right.
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It just goes on and on and on.
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The examples are so numerous of when the shit is going on, when it hits the fan,
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when all the chips are down, people are social creatures.
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And we don't eat each other when those things happen unless it goes way past that.
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It's the Independence Day theory of global coming together.
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Fucking stupid zombie movie mentality being presented.
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No, no, no.
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I mean, what's going on there is the idea that so many people have that might be true
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is that the only way for the entire globe to unite is if we have
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an extraterrestrial force to fight against.
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Like the only way human beings will unite is in the face of some larger attack.
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Now you're talking Watchmen.
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Exactly.
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Well, I'm talking Independence Day, my friend.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think a lot of people...
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Talk about Bill Pullman.
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And to be fair, I think that that's kind of fairly compatible with that study.
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Yeah.
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But the reality that you find is in a vast majority of circumstances,
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when supplies are low, people help each other.
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Yeah.
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And in disasters, people come together.
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So he's just lying to care.
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Jeff Goldblum will emerge to save us.
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That's just the truth.
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And Quaid.
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I can't forget about Quaid.
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I can't think of Quaid without...
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What is it?
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Illuminati is trying to kill me.
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So they had this interview, and it's a little bit more of that with Alex lying
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to KRS-1, and KRS-1 just believing him, but sad.
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But what makes me profoundly sad is how this interview ends.
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Folks can Google KRS-1 in Austin, Texas.
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They will find it.
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KRS-1.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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And I can't wait to have you in studio tomorrow, sir.
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There's no show tomorrow.
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Alex, hip-hop stands with you straight up.
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No.
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Let me say that we stand with you.
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We don't.
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And when it's time to get on the front line, you're going to look to your right and your
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left, and I hope I'm right there with you.
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I hope you're not.
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The info warriors, the We Are Changers, the 9-11 Truthers, the Lovers of Liberty Everywhere,
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stay with you, my friend, and I'll call you this afternoon and give you the address.
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And I look forward to seeing you tomorrow.
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We're going to get on that right now.
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What a bummer.
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What a bummer.
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Hip-hop stands with Alex Jones.
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I feel like I don't think KRS-1 speaks for hip-hop.
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Uh, as, as delightful and, uh, wonderful his music is.
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I don't think he has all of hip-hop, uh, behind him.
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You know who in hip-hop stands with Alex Jones?
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Ever?
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KRS-1 and this appearance.
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I don't know if he's been on more times than this.
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We'll find out.
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Uh-huh.
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Professor Griff.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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He seems to like Alex Jones quite a bit.
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Right.
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Immortal Technique.
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Those are the people, those are the rappers that I could think of who have had any affiliation
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with Alex.
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And that doesn't stand for mainstream hip-hop.
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No, I don't think the Soulquarians would have been into it at this time.
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I think they would have, uh, they would have probably been a hard pass on this one.
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You know who's the king of the Soulquarians though?
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Questlove?
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Bob Chapman.
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Bob Chapman.
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He comes back on January 23rd.
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Why is he on two days in a row?
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That's very weird.
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The economy's coming down.
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And KRS-1 is doing it.
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You think it's happening faster than, I mean, uh, than you previously thought.
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You know, degrading slowly for two or three years.
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Uh, I know you people can read the nuances of that international forecaster, but for
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those that are listening right now, if you're, if you're revising your forecast, uh, I mean,
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project that for us.
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Well, uh, two weeks ago, uh, in the forecaster at the beginning of the forecast, there were
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always put something where I want to catch people's attention, uh, I said, this is it.
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You go all in on gold and silver because they're going to take off.
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Which I've never said before.
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Never.
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So go all in on gold and silver.
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All in.
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So not surprisingly.
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That the only way to protect assets that you've earned, even paid taxes on to the damn bankers.
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Excuse me, folks.
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That slipped out.
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I apologize.
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Even with those people, uh, I mean, I mean, all you can do is get gold and silver.
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And I want to bring Ted Anderson in briefly here because Ted is still offering gold at
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the offer he did yesterday.
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That was last week's prices.
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That was 30 something bucks under what he was able to buy it for.
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And then today it's up 30 something more.
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And so you're, those were great deals yesterday.
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These deals are insane.
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Ted offering yesterday's deal today.
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Is, is that a good deal?
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Bob Chapman doesn't get any better.
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Jesus Christ.
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This is so overt.
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We're going to have to put a counter on the, we're going to have to put a counter on this
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one.
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We're going to, for one hour, we're going to be selling these prices for what they were
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yesterday.
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We can't just let this go the whole time.
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This is a limited time offer.
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Two days in a row.
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Alex has Bob Chapman on to talk doom and gloom about the economy.
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So you need to get in gold and silver and then immediately transition to Bob Ted, Ted
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Anderson, Ted Chapman coming in to do his sales pitch on gold and silver.
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See, this is what makes me think the we're not in trouble is not necessarily a reality.
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If they're pushing this hard, it's tough to say day to day.
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I don't know.
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Also, if he did this forecast two weeks ago, why would today be any different than yesterday?
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Hey, did he just get some sort of brand new forecast in the intervening?
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Ted gave him a forecast.
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Yeah, you might be right.
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They might be in trouble.
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It's, it's difficult to tell.
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I think that Alex, and maybe it's just because he had a little bit more decorum back then
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and doesn't want to show ass.
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Maybe that's why he said we're not in trouble because he doesn't want to look like that's
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kind of what I was thinking because modern day he's given up the pretense of not being
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desperate.
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Oh, not even bothering.
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But maybe back then there was enough of like, eh, you know what?
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If we, if we don't make a ton of money, but we just survive, that's okay.
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Maybe there was that feeling, but now he's, I need a lot of money.
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Yeah.
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Uh, it's, I don't know.
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It's, it's tough for me to tell, but I will say that Alex has another guest on this show
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that, uh, it's no KRS-One.
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It's actually Kool Herc.
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It's not, this guy.
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Oh, we have, uh, somebody many people say invented hip hop.
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So I don't know if he's one of the good ones or the bad ones.
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He was, he was pre good or bad hip hop.
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Uh, I suspect that this guy does not stand with hip hop.
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I'm not entirely sure, but, uh, here, here's Alex's next guest.
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Let's go to Steve Shank.
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I hadn't had him on in a few weeks and to give us a report on what's going on worldwide.
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Uh, you know, my biggest reason Steve all along has not been food shortages or things
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like that caused by drought or any problems.
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My problem and reason I told folks to store both foods is the depression situation to
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buy bulk food before they inflate the currency or the depression sets in.
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And, uh, I've really been excited to hear these ads running on the network, uh, for
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the, what is it?
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The three day responder, uh, because for 21 bucks, uh, a multi-day, well, give us the
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specifics.
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I've only heard the ad twice.
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What exactly is this new offer?
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So Alex does like a half hour with his survival food sponsor.
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He's much like the soap guy, but he doesn't say any limericks.
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So I'm not going to listen to it.
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I can listen to him on the show.
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Come on.
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They just talk about how like shit's going down.
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You're going to need food.
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And luckily I sell it and Alex gets a cut.
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It's just so fucking overt.
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Three day responder.
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Yeah.
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That's a three days worth of food that he sells.
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He sells these bins that have three days worth of food.
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Um, I don't know.
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Okay, but what if you run out after three days?
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Well, see, that's what you keep.
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You should buy more than three days worth of food.
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He also sells like 21 day bins and stuff like that.
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But the three day one is just for like minor tragedies.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Like maybe like a tornado or something like that or like a, let's say, uh, that terrible
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storm, uh, snowstorm that hit New York, uh, last year or a couple of years ago, you know,
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three day responder would have been great.
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Would have been perfect for that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But they also do all this fucking shit on the show about like, it's better than food.
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They do a bunch of that.
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I don't know why everybody isn't eating it all the time.
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It's like, it's cheaper than groceries.
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I mean, people could just get this and eat it.
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Like you're giving a hard sell here.
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I mean, is this, is it that much different from blue apron?
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Like at the end of the day, is it that much different?
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It's blue apron plus fear.
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And so it's a little worse.
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If blue apron was trying to scare you into buying it, then that would be bad.
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And also blue apron.
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You'll never learn to cook.
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Okay.
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Let us do it for you.
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Okay.
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There is a little fear there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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See, there you go.
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But also blue apron stuff is perishable.
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Like you can't keep it in your shelf forever.
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That's the survival food is like years worth.
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See, that's why it's better than blue apron.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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Everybody knows that military rations are the only thing to eat.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So on this show also, I don't have any of this and I might do a special episode by myself about
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this because I think it merits covering, but we have a limited time.
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You have a show tonight.
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I couldn't make this a three hour episode, but there's a couple calls that Alex gets
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where they call him out on stuff and it's really interesting how he responds because
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he's arguing with this one guy because this guy calls in and he talks about how that subsection
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51 Barbie blah, blah, blah.
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Right, right, right, right.
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The guy calls in and he's like, you know, the subject section you're talking about,
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the next one after it says you need consent, informed consent from everybody.
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They think that we bring up a bunch.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And Alex is like, I don't have it in front of me.
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Maybe they changed it.
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I don't know.
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It's like that. And then he goes to commercial and he's like, no, I'm going to talk to this
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guy over commercial or go to the live feed or whatever.
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So on the radio there is a commercial playing, but on the Infowars stream,
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they're still talking.
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They're still talking.
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And he sort of equivocates with the guy a little bit.
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And again, he brings, he don't remember exactly what it is, but the guy brings up something.
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He's like, you, you exaggerated about this.
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This was completely wrong.
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He's like, yeah, that one I was wrong about.
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And he admits he's wrong, but it's not on the radio.
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Exactly.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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So it wasn't about that subsection that he admits he's wrong.
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It was something else that he admits he's wrong about.
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But then after he admits he's wrong, like, ah, you know, that, you know,
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things change.
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I was wrong about that.
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And I admit it.
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Sorry.
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Uh, I got to let you go.
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Got to get back to the show.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The intro music launches right back into his, uh,
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Says the same bullshit.
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Yeah.
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It's surreal.
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But at the same time, I don't think proves anything.
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So that's why I can, I can leave it off, uh, the actual episode.
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Cause there's far more important things like KRS one being on the show, like Joe
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Rogan and, uh, this theme that's developing of, um, of almost vaudeville
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naked money grubbing.
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Yeah.
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This game that they're playing in order to sell gold.
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Um, so we get to the 25th, the Sunday show and Alex, uh, like I said,
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one of the big reasons that we're doing this 2009 thing is that we see
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shocking differences in Alex Jones philosophically from 2009.
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If we go to the board, we can see that he's anti-police.
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Yes.
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We can see that he is pro net neutrality.
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He is also KRS one.
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He is explicitly pro Palestinian, not KRS one.
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Uh, he doesn't talk about Soros.
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The bad guys are the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds.
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Right.
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Uh, so these are some massive differences in that day's Alex Jones at present day,
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Alex Jones, and here comes another one.
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Hillary Clinton just signed a new deal, uh, Friday with the leader of Israel,
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the prime minister of Israel, uh, to, in the next year, either have Iran buckle
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to giving up their peaceful nuclear program or to be physically attacked.
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So on the war front, Obama is actually expanding things.
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That's why the neocons and Pat Robertson and others are coming out and endorsing
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him.
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Alex knew in 2009 that Iran's program of nuclear, uh, shit is peaceful.
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He, he's the exact opposite.
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Now he says that they were trying to make nukes the entire time, like in the modern
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day with trying to make rationalizations for why Trump is cool to get out of the
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Iran deal, uh, and what have you.
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Not, not least of which, what he's essentially talking about is Trump's
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position now, which is you're either going to give those up or we're going to use
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the military options.
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Whereas Obama's position was, how about we settle this economically and we make an
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arrangement, we make an arrangement where in we give you your money back, which
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we're so gracious, uh, you can get your money.
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Uh, and then also you will agree to all sorts of testing, uh, and oversight that
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we didn't have access to before.
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And the Iran deal did have very specific pieces of like, if someone is not in
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compliance with the deal, these are the steps that can be taken.
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Yeah.
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So even if they thought, cause there wasn't a thought that maybe they'll try
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and cheat because some countries cheat on stuff.
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So when the deal was made, there was an expectation.
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Countries like the United States.
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Yeah, apparently.
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But there was an expectation that that was a possibility.
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And so there were pieces of the deal that dealt with that.
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So now getting rid of the deal is the fucking stupidest thing in the world.
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No, it's genius.
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We can't get the money back.
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We're not going to be able to, we're not going to be able to enforce the sanctions
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that were in place pre-Iran deal.
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Gotta.
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Because why, why?
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Who would go along with it?
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Everybody.
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The UN is not going to go along with it.
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City on a hill, Dan.
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Our fucking allies aren't going to go along with it.
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Shining city on a hill.
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Our allies who are still a part of the deal aren't going to go along with it.
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Like France?
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Eh, we don't have allies anymore.
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Everybody, everybody knows that America is chaos.
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We're like a drunken ex-husband, you know, divorced dad.
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That's, that's the way the world treats us now.
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Just pray, just pray that they go for a regime change instead of carpet bombing.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I don't pray for that.
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Oh man, we still have to deal with this guy because we need the alimony money,
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but God, this is the worst human being in the world.
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But more, more to the point, it's really, really fucked up
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that Alex, that's his position in 2009.
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It's counter, it's counter a hundred percent.
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I don't know.
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Every, everything that they say they don't care about
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because all they're doing is playing team sports.
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Right.
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Like that's, that's all that's going on right now.
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None of these people believe anything.
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If Obama did what Trump is doing now, they'd say he's the worst president ever.
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If Trump does anything that Obama does, they say it's the most brilliant idea.
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Anything that Obama did, even if it was a good idea,
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even if they know it's a good idea, they have to support Trump undoing it.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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These people don't believe in anything.
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See, now this is why we've touched on something
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that was why I'm not interested in the current day anymore.
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Like of his show, because number one, it's all distractions.
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I went and watched the Thursday show from last week.
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And it was just piles of bullshit.
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But when I watch the show, people on our Facebook group
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do want us to talk about the present day.
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So maybe instead of Project Camelot on Wednesday,
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we'll do a modern day episode just to be like, here you go or whatever.
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But one of the things that will teach you a lesson.
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One of the things that really struck me is that first of all,
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it's an incredibly stupid show.
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More so than in 2009 for sure.
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Yeah, like jumping back in and watching it after having not watched
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for like two weeks of present day stuff.
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I was like, fuck, this is stupid.
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Like I was just like, there's nothing there.
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It's vapid.
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And all of the things that I could really bring up are like,
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hey, his guest is a monster.
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And I could tell you, I could tell you like a laundry list of things about this guest.
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Like, holy shit, look at this fucking dick.
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And then all of the other stuff is like, he's a hypocrite.
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And as we've talked about over and over again,
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we even brought up there, they don't care.
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That doesn't matter.
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It's a feature, not a bug.
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Right.
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And so the version of it in 2009, the hypocrite is much more interesting to me
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because you can look at him and like, hey, he's a hypocrite about X, Y, or Z.
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But the thing here that's hypocritical is his awareness in 2009
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that Iran's nuclear program was for domestic use.
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It was for electricity and research and stuff like that.
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It wasn't for making weapons.
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He knew that then.
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That is a hypocrisy on some level in present day.
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But in the past, it's a clue.
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It's a clue because the things that change, change for a reason.
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And the specific things that change, change because someone fucking paid him to change his game.
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So these are hypocrisies.
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Are you saying that many of these people are actually motivated more by money than ideology, Dan?
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Look, no.
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I mean, maybe, I don't know.
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I haven't studied a whole lot of them.
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I'm sure a lot of them.
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I'm a student of human nature.
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Right.
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And no, I'm not.
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But these guys are still all liars.
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We're just out for money.
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The point that I'm trying to make is that like in present day, it's a pointless hypocrisy.
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Yeah.
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In the past, it's indicative of something that is a clue.
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That will be, you know, there's follow up on it.
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All right, all right.
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I get what you're saying.
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I'm not trying to bust him for hypocrisies.
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I'm trying to use his own words to guide me towards like, huh, who would have the specific
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goals in mind that Alex's rhetoric changes to fit?
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Right.
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I think it's a short list.
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Well, I mean, that's a really brilliant way to go about it because what we are talking
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about in 2009 is a more independent Alex Jones.
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Yeah.
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One who is not quite as beholden to so many of these bullshit artists.
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He's independent in some ways, but then also.
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But of course, so to see where his independence changes, then you start to see exactly whose
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motivations are changing that.
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Exactly.
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I get what you're saying now.
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Yeah.
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And it's not just like, I don't like bisque.
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And then big bisque comes in.
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I don't know.
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Weird example.
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Bisque?
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Big bisque.
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Big lobster bisque.
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You know, like, it's not a superficial thing where he changes.
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That actually sounds like Big Body Bess's better name.
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Big Berkey?
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Big Bisque.
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Yeah.
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Big Bisque Bess.
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See, but Big Berkey is a water filter.
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You don't want bisque, a soup, to be associated with the filter.
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People think it's a soup machine.
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Oh no, I'm talking about the rapper friend of Shit.
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Now I can't remember his name.
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I thought you were talking about Big Berkey, the sponsor, the water filter sponsor.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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I am talking about Action Bronson's, what, like...
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Who cares?
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The point I was trying to make is that these are not superficial, pointless things that
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change.
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Yeah.
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They are positions that change.
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Right.
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The idea of being cool with what Iran was up to is a position that changes.
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The idea of being pro-net neutrality and shifting to anti-net neutrality is a position that
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changes.
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They aren't superficial preferences or something like that.
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So that's...
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And they're hyper-specific.
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Very.
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That's perhaps the more revealing thing is that these aren't just wide republic...
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Adopting random or like a wide swath of republican policies so much as, why would you change
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your opinion on specifically net neutrality?
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Right.
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When that is, if you thought about it, clearly against your best interests.
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So if you're picking something that specific, it kind of says something.
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Yeah.
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And what are the things that don't change?
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I think those are also important because they give you also another clue into who would
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court this guy.
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You know, the things that don't change, like him thinking climate change is about carbon
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taxes.
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Right.
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Those sorts of things that are consistent.
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He's very pro-Russia stance.
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Yeah.
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Like those sorts of things are things that, you know, all of this is clues.
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And I understand why this isn't like maybe as fun as listening to Alex break down on
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us laugh at him.
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I get that.
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But this is substantially more important.
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It's an investigation.
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Exactly.
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So Alex Jones, he said that he was going to talk to KRS-One tomorrow on the Friday show.
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Right.
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There is no Saturday show.
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Okay.
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So we're going to get some KRS-One.
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But no, we're not.
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But Alex...
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He made a specific policy change on KRS-One.
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Alex went to...
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Who do we know who does not like KRS-One?
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Koch brothers.
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Alex went...
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Stated mission of Americans for Prosperity.
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No KRS-One.
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That might be one of their positions.
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Could be.
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But Alex went to the KRS-One show.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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And here is his report from it.
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And then KRS-One gets up on stage after the other groups had played and was like,
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I'm down with Alex Jones.
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I'm not down with Barack Obama.
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Barack Obama is a New World Order puppet.
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You watch.
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And then he started going into all these raps and putting me in them and everything.
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It was just...
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Yeah, he's not down with the...
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And then I interviewed him over the phone last Friday because he couldn't make it to
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town until Saturday on the radio.
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And he said a lot of that.
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He said, hip-hop is behind you.
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But then after the show, I got to interview him for about 30 minutes and he was telling
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me just how many people, I mean, the icons of hip-hop are huge fans of this radio show
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and the films and what we do.
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And expanding from there, you know, I talked to my buddy who does a major TV show in Hollywood,
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not Charlie Sheen, somebody else, and he told me the whole cast of the show, basically,
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you know, in their dressing rooms, listen to the radio show because they'll sit there
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for hours having their makeup put on or reading scripts.
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And, you know, then I talked to Joe Rogan, who was in town.
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I had dinner with him last night before I went to meet with KRS-One because he was here
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for his comedy routine.
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In case you were wondering, I know, he was telling me, he goes, oh, yeah, a whole bunch
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of people, a whole bunch of the biggest names he was listing.
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I'm not really up on Ultimate Fighting.
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But he was telling me, like, all the big guys in it were, like, huge fans of the show.
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I mean, it is getting exponential.
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It's pretty crazy.
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So I am not saying anything about the relative intelligence of all UFC fighters.
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The concussed gentleman.
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I am not making any claims whatsoever.
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I am not generalizing.
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But of course, UFC fighters listen to Alex Jones.
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Well, you can take that with a slight grain of salt.
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But then, oh, I mean, like, I don't I don't begrudge Alex for thinking that maybe everyone
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likes him when he has, in the same week, Joe Rogan and KRS-One making time for him.
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That's true.
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You know?
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Now, what they probably said were, yeah, a lot of people like you or something like that.
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He's building it up in his head and mythologizing it to a certain extent where, like, all rap
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pioneers love me and everyone on a show that's definitely not Charlie Sheen's show.
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They all sit around in the dressing room and listen to me.
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Like, you could you can understand where, like, yeah.
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He's got a big head.
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You could kind of buy it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And maybe like Icarus, it leads him to fly too close to the sun because he thinks he's
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a much bigger deal than he is, perhaps at this time.
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Anyway, on a recent episode, I told you that I thought that Alex wasn't going along with
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the Obama didn't swear in, didn't do the inauguration correctly.
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Wait, now he's doing that one?
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Yeah, he's on.
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Oh, great.
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He's back on his bullshit.
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Great.
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Yeah, for those that don't know, the inauguration isn't official, the swearing in unless they
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do it properly.
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And we pointed that out.
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So Obama then two days later, because, you know, he didn't do large parts of it.
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So right there, large parts of it, right there already, Alex is saying we reported on it
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and that made him redo it.
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Of course, he's already taken credit for that, which is absurd.
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Uh, he then was sworn in again, but this time they said secretly, but they had one camera
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person there, but in my secretly wouldn't let him record it.
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And he didn't swear out why I have a camera.
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And that was in the mainstream news.
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So they did that on purpose.
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So you could then go have a private one and not do it on the Bible.
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I guarantee you there was all these big debates about what he's swearing on the Bible.
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You know, was he really a Muslim?
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All this other stuff.
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And I kind of poo-pooed that.
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But now you got to ask yourself the question.
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All right. All right.
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So, so if I understand the conspiracy theory now and the way that it is metastasized is
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now we're past the, uh, the Cinderella midnight theory of, uh, global politics, wherein if
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you don't do things right the first time, everybody invalidates it.
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And we're onto the whole reason this happened is so people wouldn't see that Obama wasn't
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going to swear in on the Bible.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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Um, because he's, he's stupid.
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Uh, for example, Theodore Roosevelt didn't use a Bible when he was taking the oath in
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1901.
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John Quincy Adams and Franklin Pierce swore in on a book of law with the intention that
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they were swearing to the constitution.
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Uh, Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on a Roman Catholic missile, uh, on Air Force One.
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Uh, here-
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A what?
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Uh, missile, uh, M-I-S-S-A-L.
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Oh, okay.
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Uh-
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Because if you said missile on Air Force One, now I'm very interested.
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It's a liturgical book that contains the, uh, instructions and texts necessary for the
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celebration of mass.
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Oh, that one is page turner.
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Yeah.
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Love that one.
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There are plenty of presidents in our history who have sworn in on other things that are
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not, uh, the Bible.
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No!
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So that's, that's cockamamie.
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That's nonsense.
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Anything, anything any of these people say, you can go back in American history and be
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like, yeah, this guy already did that.
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Yeah.
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And they'll be like, it doesn't matter!
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Make a big deal out of this.
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It's a zero.
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Um, so would you believe-
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Yes.
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That Bob Chapman is on again?
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Still.
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He's on again on the 25th.
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And we learn a little bit more about him here on the 25th that is super duper interesting.
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When I was nine, KRS-1 and I tried to take down the Fed by ourselves.
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That's-
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You just popped in my ear and said something and I didn't understand it.
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Okay, good, good.
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We're going to have Bob Chapman on the economy with us.
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I've been having him on a lot lately because his track record of predicting what's happening
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in the economy has been more accurate than most.
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I'd say 95% accuracy.
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Everyone is 95% accurate.
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Yeah.
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Everyone.
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Just like, just like every dictator gets 97% of the popular vote.
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Every single person that Alex Jones talks to is 95% accurate.
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So stupid.
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Of course, he's had one of the biggest financial newsletters in the world till he retired.
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Didn't.
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And he was the largest private silver and gold broker as well.
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And he's been fighting the globalists for 45 years.
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He helped, you know, produce and publish Nundare Call It Conspiracy with Gary Allen, his partner,
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worked with so many other leaders in the fight against globalists.
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I wanted to get him on.
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That is big.
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So many other leaders in the fight against globalists.
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But that's big.
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From 45 years ago.
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I didn't know that Bob Chapman was responsible for financing and publishing Nundare Call It Conspiracy.
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I did not know that either.
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This is a big break in the sort of influence line of Alex Jones's life.
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That's really, really important.
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And it is making it so we are going to need to do a full-on episode
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about Nundare Call It Conspiracy in the very near future.
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Oh no!
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Well, it'll be fun.
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Okay.
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You'll be very mad.
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But it also led me to be like, wait, I need to look into Bob Chapman.
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Yeah.
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Because I was like, yeah, he's just a stupid gold guy, whatever.
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Who cares?
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He saw Reagan get butt-fucked.
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Who cares?
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Immediately after that, you're like, I'm not really worried about what this guy's doing.
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I think he's a clown, like for the most part.
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Or I had thought he was a clown.
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And then I started to look into him.
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And Bob Chapman is...
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What would I call him?
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A fast car?
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He's a blossoming flower of questions that cannot be answered because he's dead.
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He's an onion bloom.
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Yes.
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There's layers and layers to him.
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So here's a little bit about Bob Chapman.
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He was a stockbroker from 1960 to 1988, during which period he was, quote,
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probably the largest gold and silver broker in the world, according to his bio.
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So...
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But I believe he was a big shot.
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I'm sure.
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He's a pretty big player.
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But that begs the question, what the fuck happened between that period and now to
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reduce him from the top gold broker in the world, and thus obviously a billionaire,
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to being the panic-filled feature act that Alex uses to set up sales pitches from Ted Anderson?
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Vietnam.
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No.
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After 1988.
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Yeah.
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Well, it would have been the stock market crash of 87.
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No.
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That's not after 88.
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Also, there was...
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Yeah.
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But I actually looked into that because I thought that 87 was possibly a source of,
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like, he lost everything.
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Yeah.
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But he couldn't have, because gold didn't dip that far.
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Gold only took a short and fairly small dip.
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Uh-huh.
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It was not something that someone like Bob Chapman would have...
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Unless he's fucking stupid and just sold...
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Stop!
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If he sold everything during that small dip that happened...
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He'd still be a billionaire, though.
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Yeah, most likely.
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He'd be bitter as hell, probably.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, but...
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I watched Reagan get butt-fucked for this?
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It doesn't make sense.
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He's someone who's like, his whole life is just about buying gold and, like, gold will save you.
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And the idea that it starts to go down a little bit and he doesn't hold on to it,
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it just doesn't track.
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Ironic.
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It would be.
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It would be very ironic.
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It doesn't track with who he is.
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Right.
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So something had to have happened at that point, because if he was a huge billionaire,
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and maybe he still was, I don't know, but if he was, money,
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financial interest wouldn't be making him do this embarrassing shit on Alex's show.
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Eh, these people are insane.
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If he went broke somehow, then that makes sense.
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But if not, then there's some philosophy that is guiding him towards being this prop
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for Alex and Ted Anderson to use.
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Ex-wife, maybe?
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I don't think so, no.
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I think he was just married once throughout his life.
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Hmm.
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But I looked into it a little bit more.
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And interestingly, from 1962 to 1976,
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he made pretty much all of his money from South African gold shares.
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Oh, no.
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You might notice...
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Oh, no.
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You might notice...
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Wait, what?
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He got ruined by apartheid?
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Those years were when apartheid was alive and well.
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Wow.
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He was making killings on South African gold shares during a time when...
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Don't like the use of that word.
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It was intentional.
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So Bob claimed that after 1976, he started moving to North American gold and silver,
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and he cites the Soweto Riots as the breaking point.
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Sure.
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Interestingly, many experts view the Soweto Riots as being a critical moment when resistance
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to apartheid became much more active and in the open, which obviously made his gold operation
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impossible to run, and thus he had to settle for North American gold, which would definitely
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be lower margins for him due to overhead expenses that don't exist in apartheid.
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Yeah.
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So he was making a killing off this shit, and then the oppressed black people started
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standing up for themselves.
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Soweto Riots were about like education systems.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And a bunch of people died.
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Yeah.
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It's horrible.
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Tends to work that way.
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So what you see then is him having to shift from this super exploitative and white nationalist
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system of making money off the gold and the resources of South Africa into much less lucrative
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versions after 1976.
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Should have switched into conflict diamonds.
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Now, interestingly, not conflict diamonds, but from 1970 to 1973, in those years, Bob
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Chapman lived in Johannesburg, South Africa, and in Rhodesia.
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Great.
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Great.
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There's literally no chance that he could live in two of the largest and cruelest white
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nationalist states in Africa for three years and not be keenly aware of how racial oppression
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was in place and how it worked.
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And it is fucking telling that those three years do not seem to have informed his life
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and work at all.
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The only explanation I can draw from that is he was perfectly fine with apartheid as
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a system that he was exploiting and making tons of money off of.
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Yeah.
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I would say he's not, he wasn't just perfectly fine with it.
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He was overjoyed, certainly overjoyed, delightful.
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So now here's the troubling piece.
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That wasn't already enough?
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He lived in Rhodesia in South Africa from 1970 to 1973.
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None Dare Call It Conspiracy was published in 1971.
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During the time that Bob Chapman would have been financing and helping get None Dare Call
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It Conspiracy published, he was living in apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia and making
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a killing of stealing and selling natural resources from apartheid countries.
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Great.
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So after this, he started publishing.
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You ruined the guy who watched Reagan get butt fucked for me, Dan.
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Sorry.
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I thought it was delightful for a while.
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Turns out he's a white nationalist who's fucked over everybody for his entire goddamn life.
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So after this point, he started publishing the Gary Allen report, which I can't find
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any copies of or anything about really online.
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I think it was an early newsletter type of thing, maybe even physical copies or on like
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listservs on the internet, like really, really early type stuff.
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He then went on to publish his claim to fame and the citation that Alex always gives for
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him, The International Forecaster, which is a newsletter that presents itself as being
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heady advice for investment in business.
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But I found an archive of it.
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Oh.
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I started reading them and their heady advice, their ramblings about the New World Order
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and the Illuminati, how the economy was going to collapse any moment, any moment.
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Constant insistence is that people buy gold.
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Ninety five percent correct.
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The newsletter is 100 percent a vehicle for selling gold and fear.
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Fear based mongering.
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Yes, 100 percent.
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Yeah.
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So his entire career is based on white nationalist apartheid states gold and now fear based pimping
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on Alex Jones's show.
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Kind of a kind of a common trajectory.
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It's this is incredibly fucked up stuff.
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I mean, I'm trying to look even deeper and find out more connections that could possibly
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exist.
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But like.
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I don't think you get more messed up than the idea that the guy who was financing and
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helping put out an undare call it conspiracy was in South Africa in apartheid era, getting
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gold and getting rich off it.
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It's just like when they complain about robber barons are bad.
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I don't think white nationalists are good people, Dan.
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I don't think you can trust them.
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Here's another interesting wrinkle.
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Bob Chapman in the International Forecaster in one of the issues that he put out very
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literally said that if Ron Paul doesn't get elected president, we're all doomed.
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He's a big Ron Paul guy and has connections to the John Birch Society.
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He's dead.
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Yeah, he's dead.
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He died of pancreatic cancer, I believe.
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A couple of years back, I think 2012, maybe.
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All right.
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Seems right.
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All right.
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Let's go kill him.
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Let's get him again.
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I don't know.
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I can't even trust that he's dead.
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He's probably living in some new Rhodesia somewhere.
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Fucking asshole.
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He's living in New Berlin.
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Yeah, center of the earth.
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Of course, the beetle beings.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's a real bummer.
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But this appearance, why is he on on the 25th?
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Well, I would hope to sell gold.
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Before this segment ends, I want to bring Ted Anderson, the owner of the Genesis Network
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that syndicates this radio show on because he also owns Midas Resources, 30-year gold
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brokerage.
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So right there, I just want to be totally clear because we have to be super fair to
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Alex.
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This is the only time that I've heard him correctly cite who Ted Anderson is.
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Yeah.
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He will say he's a sponsor or something like that.
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Yeah.
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But this is the only time that I think he's above board in terms of like FTC rules,
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about you have to say that this person runs your fucking network and owns a gold sales
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thing.
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So at least he's saying that.
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But I don't think most people listening would have heard it.
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Silver brokerage.
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Because Ted bought gold when it was $815 an ounce.
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Now it's over $900 right now.
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He has it in store.
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And he also wants to, you've let us at his company give people a free introductory copy
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of your latest hard copy newsletter, The International Forecaster.
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They can also internationalforecaster.com.
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So before this segment ended, I wanted to briefly bring Ted in so he could, well, it's
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800-686-2237.
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So they could call and find out about that, but also find out about the gold and silver
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deal that Ted's got going that only goes until midnight tonight, folks, because then he's
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going to be out of this position and have to put a clock on it.
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Higher price.
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Most places don't even have gold and silver.
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Ted's been in it so long, but I mean, Bob, bottom line, would it be a smart move for
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people to physically have part of their 401k in gold or silver?
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So they just trust the government and leave it at it.
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Physically.
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Well, I recommend gold and silver related assets very strongly, because as far as I
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can see, after all my years of experience, this is the only place to be.
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How good of a deal is it if Ted bought gold at $815 an ounce and he's selling it at that
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price, priced into the market when it's at $900?
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How good of a deal is that?
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Oh, it's terrific.
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It goes without saying.
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I mean, coins that he purchased probably for, say, $45 he was selling at that level,
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they're now $160 or whatever.
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Let's bring Ted on.
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That's a difference of $15.
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than what Ted bought them at.
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Ted, take a frank or a British sovereign.
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Please.
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All right.
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All right.
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Fuck you.
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Like, that is so overt.
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It's so...
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So Bob has said then, like the only thing that then makes sense is that Bob has a vested
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interest in Genesis Communications.
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Midas.
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Midas resources as well.
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I can't find, at press time, I can't find a specific connection between the two past
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philosophical connections that Ted Anderson is a big booster for Ron Paul and also has
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leanings towards the John Birchey.
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But you can both have that leaning without having this dude shill for you that hard.
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I'm just saying that that's the only firm connection I can find between the two of them
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outside of appearances on the show.
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There has to be a...
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Because Bob Chapman was a player in the game.
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He's not just going to stay on the sidelines and sell for somebody else.
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The International Forecaster is a sponsor on Alex's show, and it appears that they're
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also a Genesis Communications sponsor.
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So they buy ad time.
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That's one connection, but it doesn't rationalize this.
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It doesn't make sense that he would be...
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Like, he's in many ways sticking his neck out.
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Like, he's putting his credibility as one of the world's largest gold and silver brokers
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into being like...
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Formerly one of the world's largest, yeah.
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But Midas Resources is...
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Like, these deals are amazing.
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And I don't want to read, like, the pages of rip-off reports about Midas Resources.
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You can find them if you Google it.
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It's very easy to find pages and pages of people who got ripped off by Midas and Ted
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Anderson.
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What else would they be doing?
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Markups.
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Constant markups.
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Of course.
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There's constant weird, like, hidden charges and fees.
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People who bought gold at, like, a certain amount and then trying to resell it later.
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It's like, oh, the price is way down.
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I can't find a buyer for you.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That sort of shit is just constant with Ted Anderson's past.
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And there's a reason that he lost his fucking bullion license in 2015.
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It's because this shit caught up to him.
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And the idea that you're...
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I'm trying to reinforce the point that you are making.
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And that, like, he has to have some sort of skin in this game.
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Yeah.
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Or else it doesn't make sense for him to...
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But I think he probably also knows enough if he has decades in the gold business.
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He knows that Ted Anderson is running a scam.
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Right.
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So he knows that, like, I want to get on board with this scam.
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It's because I used to run the fucking same scam, man.
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Well, it's a slightly different one.
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It has to do with oppressing countries, populations, whereas Alex just...
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That's a later wrinkle of his career, wanting to racially oppress minorities.
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So I don't know, man.
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I don't know what conclusions we can draw, but there's something really, really major about this.
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There's something really, really fucked up.
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What the fuck is Chapman doing?
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I don't know.
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How old is he at this time?
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Like, he died at 82 in 2012 or something along those lines.
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So he's got to be late 70s right now.
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Let me see.
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So Bob Chapman died at 76.
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Oh, shit.
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So he's in his early 70s.
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He died in 2012, so that's three years after this.
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Yeah, he was 73.
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73.
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73.
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So he's 73.
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Not a big player in the game anymore, obviously, since he's on Infowars.
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No.
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But he's still got something going on there.
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Well, he has his international forecaster, but I mean, that amounts to him just being a
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magazine version of a gold propagandist.
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Yeah, but that doesn't really, that can't really be that much of a business.
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I don't know.
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I mean, yeah, probably.
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But I have to assume he's also doing, like, consultant shit and stuff like that, giving
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financial advice to people and taking a cut.
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Yeah.
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I would assume.
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I don't know, man.
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It's really weird.
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That's an easy racket if he's, like, if you're hiring him, you should really already know
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what advice he's about to give you.
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Unless he gives you really amazing advice once you're off the gold tip.
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Mm-hmm, what we need to look at is this three days in Alex Jones's history open up a number
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of questions that I think are unexpected, and they all have to do with Bob Chapman.
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The first is what happened?
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Like, because...
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Yeah.
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Or what didn't happen, you know?
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Because, like I said, there's a decent chance he's still a billionaire and coming on and
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shilling.
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Like, if he's shilling and not in financial disaster, then what is his motivation?
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What's the philosophical reason?
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Could just be he's old and bored and nobody else is paying attention to him anymore.
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Could be, could be.
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Certainly, we all know that Alex Jones's show is the one-stop shop for old weirdos.
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Yeah.
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Who no one else will talk to anymore.
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No one's gonna talk to you anymore.
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That's possible.
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Or the flip side is if he is doing it for money, then what happened?
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Where did he lose his billions of dollars?
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Because he had to have had billions of dollars if he was raping South Africa.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Second question.
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What was going on in 1970, 1971 when he was living in Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa
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and helping Gary Allen get none dare call it conspiracy published?
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What the fuck was going on there and is there a connection?
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Is there some sort of...
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Is that a coincidence?
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I gotta say no.
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So there's that.
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Gotta say no.
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And then third thing is, I guess, I don't know.
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Do they keep doing this?
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Do they keep doing this super see-through skit?
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When did they start?
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When did Bob and Ted get together in the beginning?
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That's another question.
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That's my question right there.
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I don't know if we can answer that from these...
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Like when did, well, when did Ted get into gold sales?
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I believe it was in the 90s.
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In the 90s?
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I believe so, yeah.
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Is it possible that Chapman gave Ted a leg up?
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It's possible.
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You know, like where else are you gonna...
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Maybe Ted is a Chapman acolyte.
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Maybe Ted was like, oh, it's too late for me to rape a country.
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So I'll talk to this guy and see what happens.
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I mean, it's possible.
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Let me see if I can get a start date.
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I'll try and rape North America.
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I'll try and fleece idiots.
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Yeah.
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Let's see.
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I don't know if I can find a start date for Midas, but there are...
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You just search for Midas resources and there is a bunch of negative reviews.
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Harshly negative reviews.
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Not a solid BBB rating?
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Go check out pissedconsumer.com.
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All right.
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I like that.
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I don't know.
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I can't find a start date, but as I recall, it's in the 90s.
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Yeah, that's possible.
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It's possible that he was his mentor.
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Yeah.
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His Darth Vader, if you will.
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Also, that is another piece of it that needs to come into question.
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Another big question is clearly Bob Chapman is an indication of someone who is fine with
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or supports white nationalism.
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Right.
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You can't live the...
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You can't have the career that he had without that being the case.
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No.
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It's pretty well impossible.
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So how much of that is relevant?
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I don't know.
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When you get to it, I think most of these people who are so violent towards the rights
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of any kind of labor are also violently white nationalists as well.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you want to talk to...
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Or let's talk about the Koch brothers, whether or not race is their stated, you know, boogaboo.
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Right.
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So to speak.
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Yeah, so to speak.
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They're all of their...
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Yeah.
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I don't know what...
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Bugaboo.
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Bugaboo.
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That's right.
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Where did that come from?
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Boogaboo.
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Boogaboo is...
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It's a great Destiny's Child song.
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All of the things that they are for, that they are advocating for are essentially racial
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violence.
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If you start talking about getting rid of the social safety net, that is when you start
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doing the math, that is mainly racial violence.
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Well, it's class and racial violence.
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It's those two things mixed together.
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It is those two things mixed together, but what's the highest percentage?
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Right.
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You know, all of these things, all of these policies that these conservative fuckfaces
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want to divorce from their white nationalist leanings always wind up disproportionately,
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if not entirely, affecting American minorities.
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Well, the thing that I would just bring in to that conversation, I guess, is violence
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is the outcome, but is it intentional violence or is it just a lack of regard or lack of
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caring that that's the outcome?
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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I don't know if it matters, but it does for the conversation.
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It doesn't matter in terms of it being wrong.
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Both are wrong.
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Right.
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But it does matter in some ways because you have people who are like, you know, daily
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stormer folk and stuff like that who are like, no, I get hard thinking about destroying minorities.
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And then you have people who are probably like Bob Chapman, I would say probably isn't
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like an out-and-out racist.
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He's just like, oh, this system that really viciously oppressed a minority group or I
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guess they weren't a minority.
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No, they were the majority.
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But you know what I mean?
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Like the non-white group, this system was really lucrative and I made a ton of money
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off it.
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So colonialism does work for a very small number of people.
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So I'm going to pretend that I don't notice the violence.
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I'm going to notice that I'm unaware of it or something like that.
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The outcome is the same, but it's different in terms of like what you want to keep your
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eyes open for, the clues and the points.
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I mean, I don't find too much, I don't particularly, whether or not there is a distinction to be
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made, I don't give a fuck.
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It's academic.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Whether or not the malicious intent is there bothers me far less than that it's being done.
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Right, right.
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You know?
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No, no, no, no.
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I understand and I agree with you, but I'm just saying for the keeping things straight
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in terms of what we're looking at.
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Which is another one of their stated goals.
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Totally.
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But like in terms of like not getting off track and being like Bob Chapman's a racist
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or something like that, it's important.
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That distinction is only important in so much as like it could lead us down a stupid road
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that isn't accurate in terms of like, what are the influences that are going on with
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Alex?
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Right.
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He is a racist, but whether or not that is important to the investigation is a different
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question.
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Fine.
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Yeah.
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Fair enough.
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I'll accept that only because you got to get out of here.
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You got to show tonight.
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All right.
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So let's do it.
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So this brings us to the end of January 22nd through 25th in 2009.
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I think there's a lot of revelations here.
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First that KRS-1 was on InfoWars.
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Yep.
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Weird.
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Yep.
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Why not?
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Nobody asks Alex follow-up questions.
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Which is unfortunate.
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Nobody.
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And then...
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Nobody ever asks a follow-up question.
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And then Alex...
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Somebody just credulous people.
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Yeah.
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And Alex, Ted Anderson, and Bob Chapman are clearly running a three-man, three-card Monty
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style scam on the radio wherein
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Bob and Alex do some riffing about fear and then bring in the closer.
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It's exactly like you sussed out at the beginning of the episode, the timeshare salesman metaphor
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is perfect.
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Yeah.
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So...
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What the fuck is wrong with these guys?
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I'm excited for what we're going to end up learning because that Saturday, the 24th,
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is when that first tea party thing happened.
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Uh-huh.
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That first little protest.
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And so now we're in it.
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We're in it.
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Right.
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We're in the point where this is growing.
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My suspicion.
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And people are talking about it.
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My suspicion is Alex is going to be against it to start with.
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He's going to be like the...
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Strongly disagree.
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You think he's going to jump on board right away?
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I think he's...
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I think he's going to be petty and bitchy about how it's supposed to be his movement.
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I agree with that.
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And these guys aren't real.
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I don't think he's going to be against it, but I agree that he's going to be petty and
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jealous.
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Yeah.
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I think he's going to be like, why the fuck am I...
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Right.
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Who didn't call me?
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Yeah, why wasn't I up there with fucking Tyranny Crusher too?
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Why didn't Ron tell me that this was going on?
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So I think there's going to be some of that, but I think he's going to get with the program
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pretty quick.
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That's my theory.
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But we'll see.
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We'll see how it plays out.
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Because you and I are both just spitballing now.
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I give it two weeks.
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I say from the 25th to whenever it will be.
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I give it two weeks before he is right there saying that these guys are the ones who are
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going to save us.
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All right.
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My prediction is a little bit more than...
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I'm going to take the over.
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You're going to take the over on two weeks.
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Well, that's not fair.
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I thought you were going to take...
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That's just me playing the field.
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I thought you were going to take the under.
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I thought you were going to be like, I'm going to give him two and a half hours.
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No.
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Because we've seen this trend that goes throughout Alex that he keeps getting left behind by
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stuff.
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Like we see it already with Ron Paul going on Glenn Beck in this episode.
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You see it in Modern Day with QAnon.
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You see it with Bitcoin.
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Like he waffles back and forth with Bitcoin for being like, I don't trust it, to being
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like...
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It's the only thing to trust.
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No, he doesn't do that.
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He doesn't say that to his credit, but he does have moments where he's like, I could
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have gotten really rich.
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Just listen to Max Keiser.
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It's fucking...
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Everybody's stupid.
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Oh, man, I wish I had invested in Apple.
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Like, come on, you weren't going to.
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Don't worry about it now.
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Right, right.
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But that's why I think it's going to be longer is because if there's one thing that is through
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line through Alex's career beyond just being in favor of Russia, it's that he is a late
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adopter.
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He is someone who comes to the party late and then is like, I was here the whole time.
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Yeah.
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And so...
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Not just he was here the whole time, he started it.
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Yeah, it's my party.
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He often starts everything.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Strangely enough.
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So I think it's going to take him longer because he doesn't understand reality.
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But then also, it's really fun because we mentioned QAnon.
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Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones have turned on QAnon.
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Sure, sure.
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Still going to crib highly from their articles, though.
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Yeah.
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Gonna guess that.
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They claim that QAnon has been taken over by the globalists.
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Oh, no!
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Yeah.
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The globalists took over QAnon?
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So stupid.
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When did they get there?
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They got the passwords.
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Or were they there the whole time?
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It's so stupid.
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What happened is that QAnon started making fun of Jerome Corsi, sort of like vaguely
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making fun of him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And Jerome Corsi got mad about it.
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And now he's like, this is fake.
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Oh my god.
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Oh, these petty idiots.
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So stupid.
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So fucking stupid.
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Anyway, I thank you, Jordan, for taking time out of your busy day to come in and do this.
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This is much more fun than sitting here with a plastic Cthulhu bank.
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Spoiler alert, I don't remember who it was, but someone was like, hey, I have that same
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bank.
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And I was like, it is not a bank.
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Because I thought it was just a plastic figurine.
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And that is why you turned on QAnon.
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They started making fun of your Cthulhu bank.
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But I actually have to cop to it.
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It's a bank.
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It's a bank.
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I'm sorry.
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God damn it, dear.
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Very sorry about my...
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Fucking liar.
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My reactive comment.
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Anyway, if you want more of the show, you can check us out at knowledgefight.com.
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Absolutely.
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You can follow us on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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We're on Facebook.
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We are indeed.
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You can find us on iTunes.
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Can you find us on iTunes?
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We're there.
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OK.
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And then, Jordan, since you weren't here for the last episode, it's time for you to choose
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someone to end this episode.
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Oh, man.
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Come on.
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It's obviously go fuck yourself, Reagan.
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But literally butt fuck yourself, Reagan.
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Ah, I get it.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
