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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight
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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones indeed
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We are Dan
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Let me ask you a question. Yeah
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Now I'm not gonna ask you a question about the whole Israel-Palestine situation. That's a good. That's good
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Yeah, it's been it's been ignored a great deal in the news from what I've heard
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I know which is very little I've seen it. I've seen some articles about it
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But yeah, probably not not as many as I feel like should be happening. Yeah, I don't disagree with that
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So would you say that I know a lot about the real Palestine situation comparatively? Yeah, and then I know less than you
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So in reverse though, if you were gonna use that same logic to apply to our show, I know a lot about Alex Jones
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I don't know anything about Alex Jones and that was a circuitous route it is
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It was and I know a lot about how we're recording this on Saturday. It's very different because I've got to watch WrestleMania
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Yeah, yeah, and of course NXT TakeOver New Orleans tonight. Very exciting
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Yep, I'm thrilled to see what kind of hijinks these these folks pull out
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Although it has the potential to be incredibly disappointing
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We'll see every single wrestling pay-per-view that you ever told me about has either been immensely disappointing or yeah, it's alright. Yeah
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Basically, I've never been like this was amazing. It's always been the issue
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I don't build up is so much better for you than the actual product
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Well, that's because I like the storyline aspects of it rather than I like the execution
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I mean, I like the the like the actual in-ring storytelling and the athleticism of it. Don't get me wrong
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I'm not getting on that but I like imagining what could happen more than I like the actual and then when
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When the probability wave function collapses into one future you get disappointed
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Yeah, and I don't really like wrestling as much as people may think
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But be that is it man, alright, alright the guy who's about to watch seven hours of wrestling tomorrow doesn't like wrestling as much as
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I'm gonna be playing Zelda while I do it. It's not writing articles about Alex Jones while I
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Don't I'm gonna be working
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Anyway, speaking of working today. I'd put some work in on this show
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because as we're recording this on Saturday with uh, there's not a lot of a material to cover from
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You know since we recorded on Thursday, right? The Thursday show was a disaster and then Friday
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It was basically a best of episode again
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Uh, he had Paul Joseph Watson in studio not a studio, but he was he was hosting for a bit and then they played the really
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long
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Video that Alex made when he went out to Ted Nugent's farm great. I'm not watching this shit. Yeah
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Yeah, let that one go. So Friday was kind of like a and there's no show on Saturday for us to go over
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It's always I was you know
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It's a classic situation where you got a scramble got to try and figure something out, of course
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And so I remembered that back in 2006
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Okay
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Just fine that you think it was very difficult so I
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Remembered in 2006 as though this is a normal train of thought for somebody to go down
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Well, I'm getting particularly interested in some of like the more formative experiences of Alex Jones's career
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Okay, I remember that one of the biggest ones was an interview. He did with a guy named Aaron Russo and
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I don't know if you know who that is
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Nope
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But Alex has sort of used it as a foundation of a lot of his narratives and I realized hey
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Maybe we should go take a look at that and see what it looks like through our eyes
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Okay, so I went back and that's an hour-long interview
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There's a lot of stuff about 9-eleven that I've just sort of left out
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I wish you wouldn't there's a lot of I have a lot of interesting things to say on 9-eleven
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But it's it's it's all the standard 9-eleven truths kind of stuff. Like why won't they tell us about building seven?
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And it's not that's not all that fun to talk about. Anyway, Aaron Russo. Let me tell you about this Joe
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I think it was an inside job. Okay. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. I don't know what you mean by inside job. Yeah, exactly
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I think it's just more fun
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If you think it's an inside job whether or not whether or not that even has it's more fun until you define what you mean
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By and so yeah, then it's trouble all the way
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It's time to get slippery then you might as well just write a nice little fiction
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Like I don't think it was perpetrated by the government. I do think that
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A Cheney set the whole thing up in a in a zodiac style
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No, I wasn't saying zodiac. I was talking seven. Okay. See that's what I think is going on. Dick Cheney
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It was Kevin Spacey Kevin Spacey from seven. Okay is punishing America for their sins. So that is one of the deadly sins
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Everest, uh, no, I was just gonna go with a
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Building big buildings too big. It's not one of those. I'm pretty sure that's
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Seven that building was too tall. That's his pride seven deadly SIDS. I could be pride. It could be pride
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You could say that right?
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Aaron Russo. Yes gentleman who used to be he's guilty of sloth. Well, no, maybe since 2007 cuz he's dead
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Pretty lazy since death. Yeah, I'd say um, so he used to be a
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Hollywood producer. Uh-huh. That's sort of his claim to fame and he came out
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Before then as it came to prominence as a producer for Bette Midler
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Alright in nineteen seems like a nice guy in 1978
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He won a primetime Emmy for outstanding special comedy variety or music for his work on Bette Midler old redhead is back
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Or older red hair is back now that that is a seminal
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Special for me so that I remember watching that growing up. Sure just on a loop
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That's just Oh Bette Midler. You have done it again. That's the one award that he has in his IMDb credits
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Right to his name. Although he did also produce trading places, which is really it's a great movie
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That's an amazing movie. So you produced that but the rest of his resume I would call iffy it includes the
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1986 Joe Piscopo classic wise guys now
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Hold on. Yeah
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Not good. Not good. Did he do the one with?
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a Michael Keaton where it was the
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Dangerously, oh
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Damn it, cuz then I would really respect but he also did the 1989 Cheech Marin
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But not Tommy Chong stoner movie rude awakening, which he also co-directed. Oh boy
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I don't know if you know the plot of that one
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but it's Cheech Marin and someone who is not Tommy John playing hippies who have
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Retreated to the woods for years and then they come back to society to find that all their old hippie friends are now yippies
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Oh, no, it's a classic classic fish out of water tail exactly. Yeah, so in 19, how was the direction though?
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I don't know. I haven't seen it. I think we're gonna have to take a look
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I want to see how he places his camera review scores on IMDb are not positive. They're not
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I think it's like a 4.5 out of 10 or something
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But he made a 7 for directing. Sure. Sure 7
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generously
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In 1991, he made a bit of a pivot in his career and became a bit political and he made a film
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So he was a 9-eleven truther way too soon
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This wasn't a 9-eleven necessarily, but he made what I would call film in quotes
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Called mad as hell which I could not make more than 10 minutes into when I tried to watch it
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All right
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I thought it was just gonna be one of these shitty
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Documentaries that people like Alex Jones and his crew make but it appears to be more like a one-man show
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Okay, that's being done by someone who has the charisma and the bitterness of a 15-year open mic-er great
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Great, great. Great. Great. It's him out on a stage. Let's definitely not name any names of those people that we know
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No
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But I will play you a little clip
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From mad as hell to give you a taste of what kind of energy he was bringing to the table. All right
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51%
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the majority
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Can take away the rights of 49%
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45% the minority
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That's not freedom
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Who's ever in office
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Determines burn it right this Alex is burning impression like a ping-pong ball
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That's back and forth back and forth one says abortion's legal one says it's not one says gun control
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But other says no taxes are too high taxes are too low
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Oh balance the budget in seven years five years nine years three years one year 18 years
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Affirmative action no affirmative action speed limit 55 75. It's safer. It's not safe. It's in Saturday
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Wait, there's why are people applauding I told you it's like a one-man show it's a live thing
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Yeah, but I mean, but even if it is a live thing, why why are people applaud an applause sign? He's in a small theater
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It's
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It's like that's a bit. I mean, yeah, yeah clearly the problem is it doesn't go anywhere or have any resolution to it
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No
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and most of those things aren't things or even have a point of view attached to it and most of those things that he brings up
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aren't voted on in
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elections
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I don't understand I
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Sincerely don't understand how any of the things he listed are things where the majority infringes on the rights of the minority now
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I I especially speed limits. I I guess well, you got to throw speed limits in there though
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Yeah, that's the real applause line
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so he generally has had a history of just being his that entire thing was just like
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Some people say one thing and other people they say a different thing, right? That was it
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It's there's no there's nothing to it. He doesn't even draw a conclusion from it or or have a point of view on it
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He's just observing that people disagree on stuff. There's no prescriptive quality. No, it's just he couldn't even be like
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Maybe we should have two separate countries like at least there's a thought there a dumb one
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But at least there's a thought and let me say that I have to cop to the fact
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That I had to turn it off because I was so bored
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Yeah, that's also he may prescribe a solution at some point right there, but I did not get to it
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So in 2000 now if you saw my movie where Cheech Marin goes into the woods
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We go into the woods
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It's true. That's a great. That's a great end for that one-man show
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So then in 2006 Russo wrote and directed a documentary called America freedom to fascism
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Which is a foundational piece of Alex Jones's philosophy where Alex sold it on the infowars store. He references it all the time
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I did not know that he claims in the film
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Or he claims that the film had its international premiere to packed audiences quote during the Cannes Film Festival
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Festival the during part is very different. I'm gonna read to you from the New York Times
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The film was not on the program at Cannes
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However, not even for screenings made under the festival's aegis without being in the competition. Mr
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Russo the film's director writer and producer just set up an inflatable screen on a beach
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Photographs posted at one of mr. Russo's websites depict an audience of fewer than 50 people spread out on a platform on the sand. I
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Love that. Yeah, that is guerrilla filmmaking. It's do-it-yourself
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Yeah, shit. I'm loving it. I respect that more than a lot of the people who were in the Cannes Film Festival
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There's a there's a bit of hustle to it
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But it's also like that shitty marketing thing or it's like a debut during Cannes like I know I know that's that's fun
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Yeah, the film itself is just a mishmash of all sorts of conspiracy bullshit
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But it's mostly about how the federal income tax is bullshit
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it always comes back to that doesn't it and how it's illegal just don't like a
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What a quarter of their paycheck going somewhere else? Yeah, they just don't get it
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Yeah in order to make his arguments
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He engages in exactly the same sort of behaviors that we saw Alex do in Endgame
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He fabricates quotes take sentence fragments out of context in order to make quotes that appear to say something
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But in context mean the exact opposite he treats conjecture and hearsay is the same thing as facts and just makes up sources
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One thing that he never brings up in his documentary work or in this interview with Alex Jones that we're about to listen to is
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That in 2006 when he was making anti-tax documentaries and making sensational claims boy
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I feel like he is committed a crime of tax fraud or something like that
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He has more than two million dollars tax liens
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Thank you very much it kind of has a vested interest maybe a little bit
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So we will get to this interview and then along the way, we'll learn a little bit more about Aaron Russo
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But it's important to know those sorts of facts up front
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To give you a little bit of a flavor of where this guy's coming from like maybe
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Scientology is really just about L Ron Hubbard not wanting to pay the enormous amount of taxes
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He owed on his books possibly could be a little to do with that
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So here's the first clip where Russo talks a little bit about his past and tells a dubious story
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the late 80s I
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Was a pretty big silver trader
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and gold trader and
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I
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Don't think I've ever told a story on tape before I was a pretty big silver and gold trader and
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The I took and I always paid my taxes and I took what was a legal tax deduction on my silver trades and
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A few years later. I think it was 88 or 89 or something the I
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IRS
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Claimed now what I did and other people did as well
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Was now illegal we couldn't do it anymore, but they made it retroactive
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Can't do that. So what do you mean retroactive? It was legal then we do I did what was legal
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Yeah, but it's now we're making it illegal retroactively. No, that's against the law. That's not good. So you owe us six hundred or eight hundred thousand dollars
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For what it was legal. How could you make something retroactive?
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It's called the law backwards in time. It makes no sense
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Well, we're doing it. And so everybody said they can't do that
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So he went to court a class-action lawsuit and the judge agreed with the IRS and so they could do it retroactively
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And that's when I knew there was something wrong in America with the IRS and the system sure Dan. So
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Listening to that claim I can clearly
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Surmise that he is telling the truth so far. He has become nothing but a trustworthy man
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So anyone who works with Joe Piscopo has the highest rating of honesty. There's no doubt
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Now, I'm sure that you have done research on this claim and you will absolutely back it up that he is correct
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Well ex post facto laws in terms of like you making something illegal. That wasn't illegal before have always been
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Illegal you can't do that in terms of criminal civil
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cases and stuff like that in terms of those sorts of laws and most of the arguments that have been made or people have
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Brought cases up about this is like sex offender registries
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Where people have made the argument that when it became required to register as a sex offender that's adding punitive
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Consequences on that didn't exist before and courts have consistently been like no. Yeah. No. Yeah, I'm gonna go with no
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Yeah, that's not an extra punishment. It's I don't know
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anyway, the the issue is that with tax stuff you can do ex post facto laws really but
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Typically speaking that's just because of the way a government works, right?
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So like to happen
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Let's say we have a tax law that ends up getting passed at X point during the year
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Generally speaking what they will do is they back date it to the beginning of the fiscal year
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So it's retroactive to the beginning of the year, right? That is the only thing it can't go too far, right?
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There's grievous
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Circumstances where in like oh, yeah, we're gonna make this back 20 years. That would never fly. Okay, that would never fly
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So this is from the Congressional Research Service quote any retroactive tax legislation found to be a criminal penalty
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Will likely be struck down as a violation of the ex post facto clause
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Which the Supreme Court has done on at least one occasion in extremely rare circumstances tax legislation that seems to target certain
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Taxpayers might raise concerns under the equal protection guarantees of the Fifth Amendment
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Finally, it might also be asked whether such legislation is an unconstitutional bill of attainer
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When there do not appear to be any instances of this occurring
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It seems possible that a retroactive tax legislation could depending on its specifics meet the criteria to be a bill of attainer
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So those are the only circumstances where in you know, you'd have
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crimes being done by by
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The retroactive tax right right and and so his story doesn't check out all that
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Well, I don't necessarily believe the line that he's spitting
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I think it's probably a thing where it was like it's backdated to the beginning of this fiscal year and he's like, ah shit
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Yeah, I gotta pay a bunch more than I wanted to pay exactly. I'm going to create a mythology out of this
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Well, whatever reality it's kind of how the tax code works whenever he said
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I've never told this story before back in the 80s and 90s
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I was a big gold and silver trailer trader and I always paid my taxes. That's that Alex Jones moment. You're like, ah
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You already said that which kind of means that you know that you didn't right, right? I have to preload
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Yeah, exactly
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Before I tell you this long-winded fictional story, let me start by saying I always paid my taxes. That's just a given he
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Well, I mean he had a two million dollar tax lien in 2006
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but so that that begs some questions a little bit so whether or not he pays his taxes is a
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Irrelevant issue to this next clip where he explains that he doesn't believe in taxes
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But he's not gonna tell people not to pay their taxes. Well, that's a good legal gray area right there
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You don't advise people to
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Not pay and I do the same thing people say well wait
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You're saying it's a scam but you're single and pay it and I like the way you summed it up
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Well, it's really fairly simple. I mean
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Since making that movie, you know many people come to me and ask me whether they should pay their income taxes or not
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You know and I never advise people not to pay and the reason I said tell them I said look
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I've done a lot of research
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There isn't the Supreme Court has ruled that the IRS has no authority the 16th amendment
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But did not give the IRS the authority to tax your labor and your wages. That's a fact
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No, the Supreme Court is the law of the land there, you know and and the and the IRS does not trump the Supreme Court
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however
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That being the case
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The fact is if the mafia would come to you and say we want $2,000 a month that we're gonna hurt you
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I would not advise you not to pay them because you may get hurt by not paying them whether it's legal or not
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Doesn't necessarily matter. Okay, interesting now. I'd like to read you literally the 16th amendment
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All right, quote the Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived
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Not labor without a pro apportionment among the several states and without regard to any census or enumeration
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I would argue that taxes on incomes from whatever source derived does include your labor because that would be your income
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Yeah, what source is that though?
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I don't know
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But so there's a lot of people who have tried in the years to call out and claim that there's there's problems with the 16th
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Amendment's ratification. One of them is that Ohio wasn't a state when it was ratified
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Oh, well, then Ohio is not a subject to the rules
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But at the time you would have needed 36 states to ratify it to pass as an amendment and they have 41
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So it really doesn't matter but you throw Ohio in there. Yeah, then you have 40 out of yeah. See, there you go
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I mean that's both that's bunk. You have to do the whole thing over again
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So every time we get a new state it has to be a do-over on all of our amendments
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Everybody knows that. That's the 48th amendment. Yeah, the do-over amendment. Let's reconsider it
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So one of the most prominent anti-tax petitioners
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Who operated on 16th Amendment concerns was a guy by the name of William J. Benson
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He wrote a book called the like the biggest law that never was or something like that
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He's another one of these guys kind of well, it's an amendment not really a law
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Sure, he's one of these guys who is sort of like in the Erwin Schiff mold of like writing books that say you don't have
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To pay taxes. It's really dangerous
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His sort of rhetoric but his argument was that the text of the amendments that were ratified in different states varied
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In so much as the spelling of words
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Differing capitalization and stuff like that. Hey all caps isn't your real human being right?
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It's that all caps is your legal entity and I've gotten rid of all caps, right? So you may not MF doom
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hey, he made the argument that because of these capitalization and punctuation differences that the ratification of the
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16th amendment was it was null and void see and now we learn children. Why the semicolon is so important. Absolutely
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They had used the semicolon. Yeah, we would have to pay taxes, but they didn't
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Yeah
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So that was considered back during the ratification times even and it was a criticism that they they took
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And we're like this doesn't matter
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And so that was already ruled on in terms of like that being a valid reason
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To think that income tax was not legal. The ruling was essentially dude. Have you read this writing?
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They used commas all over the fucking place back then their F's were s's. I don't know what these people were talking about
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Crazy, they look at that shit. You can't hold them accountable for it. So based on this stupid argument
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He stopped paying his taxes and naturally he eventually was convicted of tax evasion and failure
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Will full failure to file tax returns for over a hundred thousand dollars of unreported income
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Okay on December 17th
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2007 the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois ruled the Benson's non-ratification argument constituted a quote fraud
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Perpetrated by Benson that had quote caused needless confusion and a waste of the consumers and the IRS's time and resource
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I like it. Yeah, so
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He got sentenced for being a douchebag. Well, because this argument has already been dealt with and if you're using that as your legal
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Backing for your I don't want to pay my taxes shit
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You're doing that in full awareness that this question has been settled that and so this stuff like this this this stuff
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legitimately that Aaron Russo is peddling on the show is
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Demonstrably not true and has been dealt with in the courts over and over and over again
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To the point where people who have these anti-tax arguments
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They sound really good until you look into the actual details
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And then you realize that people keep going to court for this stuff and they lose every time it usually happens. Yeah
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they lose every time like those remind me so much of that kind of
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What like the the wealth gospel?
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Preachers that go on TV where it's like oh if you just give us a little bit of money your life will be blessed
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and he's selling his book under the same premise, but
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If you do what he says when you buy his book, you just wind up going to jail for it
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Basically, and that was actually even addressed in the in the court
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Oh, yeah, it's about how like he's perfect
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He's perpetrating a scam on people in such a way that is dangerous to them and he knows
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He he knows or has reason to know that that's what he's doing, right? So there's one case a guy named Lloyd long
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Who always gets referenced as like he went to court and he made the argument Lloyd long
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Yeah, where do these people come from? I don't know double L. So he ended up winning a court case
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It was one of the only ones that text protesters reference
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All right
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But there's a lot of problems with this because he ended up losing the civil case
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That was attached to it and ended up still being liable to pay all the taxes that you write pay, right?
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But he won a case where it was a court a jury case
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and
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All they did was prove or they decided that he wasn't
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Willfully breaking the law and so they they didn't find him guilty of intentional
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they found him guilty of stupidity basically, yes that that long and short of it and
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Subsequent attempts to use that as precedent have been like oh good. God. No
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So like all of this stuff is so
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Like I like the idea of using that as precedent to it's just like well that guy was stupid, right?
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Yeah, what do you think? I'm not yeah
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That's more or less the holy grail of these tax protesters nonsense arguments
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so in this next clip, we already got a little bit of a taste of this of
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Russo in his one-man show that we listen to a bit right the idea that like majority some people pay taxes
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And other people don't well like the majority
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And
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Sometimes you don't okay. I'm referring more to the majority rule aspect right and he's gonna get into that
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but before he does he's got to do his best impression of
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I don't know college sophomores sitting around smoking a joint talking politics. All right. All right. Here we go
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The the American people are living in a matrix
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They don't understand the truth of how things are working in this country, you know
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And let me give you an example of what I'm talking about
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Please do the very fact is a few if you ask a hundred people on the street
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What kind of government is America supposed to be?
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99% of them will tell you a democracy
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America's supposed to be a democracy
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But that's a lie
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That's an illusion. The word democracy is not written into the Constitution one time
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It's not in the Bill of Rights. Okay. It's not the Declaration of Independence
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The founding fathers hated the idea of a democracy
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And I agree with them because the money democracy
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51% of the people control 49% of the people if you're part of the 49% you're not free
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America was found as a constitutional republic and in that constitutional republic that we have
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99% of the people can't take away the rights of 1% you have your rights because you were born with them
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You have God-given human rights. I got bad news about Republic's really also
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I really don't like this whole you have rights cuz God gave them to you think hey
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I mean if you want to say he's using that metaphorically, it's fine
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I know the idea of intrinsic human rights, which I support but you I understand where you're coming from
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Um in a republic you could still have the representatives 51% of them overruling
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What you're talking about like a representative
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Are you saying that there have been multiple decisions in the Senate where it was?
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59 51 to 49 tons of them. Oh, it's crazy took away people's right. They took away the rights
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Also Supreme Court decisions could go five to four
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There's certainly instances. You mean where they steal elections, right?
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I mean or even like if you go back I know I have harped on this a little bit before but like
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I can't remember what year was exactly but it's certainly in the mid to later 1900s
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There was a Supreme Court decision that upheld that women couldn't work as bartenders in bars that weren't owned by a male relative
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Yeah, but that just makes sense, right, but that's taking away a right based on majority rule in a Supreme Court decision
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You know, but God didn't give you the right to work at a bar. That's true
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If you're a woman, it's not a human right dead. Well, if you're a man it is
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If you're a woman, no, because women have one less rib or something. I don't know
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I don't know how God works like that and they bleed
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They're weak. Oh
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't know
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I don't understand because like I don't want to get a drink from anything that bleeds once a month and doesn't die
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Right, like that's the old saying any of his complaints about the majority rule aspect of a democracy is exactly the same as arguments
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It could be levied against a majority rule in a republic now be that as it it's an argument against any majority rule whatsoever
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Which is an argument against?
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Yeah, it's an argument against government entirely by anything other than a fascist dictator. It's stealthily might be what's being advocated
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Yeah, pretty much in spirit. I think a lot of these libertarian folk end up
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Accidentally advocating for exactly that under the fashion under the pretense of individual
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Nothing is more individually free than having one guy tell you what to do, right? That's individual freedom Dan, right?
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but I mean like the the I
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Don't I don't even know how to I don't even know how to deal with that kind of nonsense because like
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You couldn't you couldn't vote like let's say you have a right to
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Employment or whatever you have the right to seek employment. Okay as a person who lives in the United States
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Yeah, God gave us that one. Now. Let's say 50% 51% of the public came out to vote and we're like, alright
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You can't look for work anymore, right? That wouldn't fly
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I don't know. I mean like even gun even gun stuff you couldn't vote on that
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No one there's no way that would fly. No, there's a massive majority for gun control
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I still can't get it abortion is not an issue that would be on a ballot and get get passed
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No, there would but there's a massive majority that wants abortion
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Unrestricted right in the same way. So like all of this all of this just is is empty to me
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It's just his words are empty. And when you consider he is not some kind of like
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Judicial scholar. He's not a professor. He's a guy who was Bette Midler's manager. Well, yeah
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Directed and produced a Cheech Marin. Yeah, but don't you know that Bette Midler only hires the greatest legal minds to assist her on anything
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That could be the case. Hey has argued multiple courses in the Supreme Court. Okay. Yeah, I did not know that
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Now she gets coffee. So in this next clip, we learned that the New World Order is actually democracy
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What what but you ask those intelligent people what form of government America's supposed to be they'll say democracy
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Is that's that's that they've been brainwashed. They've been psy-op into believing that
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in Iraq
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They believe we're in Iraq to promote democracy the word democracy
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He had George Bush saying democracy means freedom real quick. I'll tell you who didn't believe that
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liberals in
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2002-2003 this is Aaron Russo in
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2006 this is already a tired line of rhetoric based on like protests that I was involved in in, Columbia
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Missouri that I mean had to have been much bigger in other cities
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But like I experienced this that these words of like this democracy thing is a sham
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This argument is is nonsense. Yeah is something that was very
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Well-traveled territory for people on the other side from people like these guys. Yeah, pretty much
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No
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democracy equals New World Order
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Democracy equals slavery the word democracy is not synonymous with freedom
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It's the opposite of freedom if the United States is anonymous
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If the United States is a republic in it in the way. He's saying it and
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You know democracy is slavery. Why did we have slavery for a really fucking long time?
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Back when the original founders of our Republic were the ones who were literally ruling the place
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Why is that the case? Well, God gave them different rights, right?
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There you go. God-given rights
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Democracy is the worst form of government you can have this is majority rule and the government can tell you exactly
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What they want to tell you to do
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The majority wants it. I don't care what the majority wants
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I live my life as I choose and if I don't commit violence, theft, or fraud against another human being
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I can live my life as I wish so you can't commit fraud, right?
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I got bad news about the show you're on. Explain to me why it is they always pick the ones they're doing
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Well to be fair. That's a pretty consistent libertarian
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Position because it's that like if I commit violence against you then I am encroaching on your rights if I steal something from you
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I'm encroaching on your right to property and if I commit fraud against you, I am stealing from you through
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wordcraft and or whatever
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Simultaneously, they hold the belief that it was always out of self-defense
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Right that shit was mine to begin with right and it's on you to laissez-faire man. Come on. Suck it out. Nope. Totally
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Yeah, it's all they tend to not give a shit when it comes down to their behavior is really all they do
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It's a big old. Let's play both sides of this coin. Yeah mentality. Yep. So but also like legitimately he's saying there at the end
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I can't commit fraud. But otherwise I can do whatever I want. Right? You're committing fraud
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Yeah, you just as he's talking you just said that the 16th amendment doesn't apply to the ability for the government to collect taxes
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Right just because they use the IRS now as an as a government entity to do that
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Does not mean that the 16th amendment is somehow being violated and courts have consistently ruled on this
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That's a fraud
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One of those things where a guy is trying to use the insanity defense and before he actually goes to trial
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He's trying to act it up as he's all crazy dude, like that's exactly like he's doing the stupidity defense
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But he's just throwing it out there. Like see look how dumb I am. That's what you can't say. This was willful
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I'm stupid. Look at this interview. That's what Erwin Schiff tried to do at the like in one of his last appeals
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Uh, he was trying to say that he suffered from a delusion that he believed that he was the only person who could interpret tax
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Law correctly. All right
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I like it this got blown up loving it this got blown up in his face because one of his co-defendants in the case
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sent out an email to their supporters saying that we hate to have to use this kind of a defense, but
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So
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It was like a it was a Hail Mary kind of thing to try to get him out of prison
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You can't email the invalidation of your defense
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You think that it's only going to your supporters and they're the only ones who are gonna see it, but that's not how that works
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Oh, oh boy. Nope. So anyway, that's kind of funny that that's where that's where your brain now
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He should he should have gotten off for being too stupid. Well, yeah send an email like that
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That's the best evidence for you're too stupid
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It was the other
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Co-defendant. Well, then throw the book. They also went to prison. Yeah, I would have guessed so in this next clip
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Hey, what do you know?
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This this fucking Aaron Russo commits another fraud on air great
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What happens is now the government borrows money from them to fund the government then the government says well
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We have to pay these people interest. He's talking about the federal how do they pay them interest? Let's impose a tax
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The American people which never existed before to pay the interest of the bankers
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in fact in 1980 Ronald Reagan said not one red cent of
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Of your income tax money goes to run the country all those the phones are well go with it was the grace commission report
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That said that all that one nickel goes to the infrastructure of the country. So that's fun
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What do you know about the grace report the grace commission report? I don't Ronald Reagan put through I don't know
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I know it's almost certainly stupid. So this is it's if it's associated with Ronald Reagan. It would definitely not be prosecuted
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for a willful anything
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Aaron Russo and Alex Jones in that clip both are
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perpetuating an idea that in the report they found and Reagan has said that none of your income tax money goes to
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Paying any programs or anything it all goes to paying off interest to these bankers
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These international bankers and the Federal Reserve. Oh, yeah
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Exactly. Yeah, I'll read the quote to you from the report because I read way to do it in Ronald Reagan's
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I can't do that. Come on. I don't know how to do in private shot
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Nancy no
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Like it
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So here's the quote from the report that they're misusing quote with two-thirds of everyone's personal income tax wasted or not collected
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100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments
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in other words
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All individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services that taxpayers expect from their government now
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It's important that what is actually being said there is
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more to the effect of
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Everything is getting wasted as you see that at the beginning there
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Two-thirds of everyone's personal income tax wasted or not collected and it's important to consider what Reagan
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Considered wasting of tax money because that's a very important on human beings. So
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building roads
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This is not remembering anything. This is everything except jelly beans everything except jelly beans. That's not a waste
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Yeah, so this is not saying what Russo's claim gets saying but it is good that your taxpayer money is
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Illegally funding I ran so the grace commission which itself cost
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75 million dollars
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Found that there was
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424 billion dollars of waste in government spending that this quote that Russo extracts doesn't take into account
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What it does not take into account is that that number is cited in the report now, what's the waste what what sort of?
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Recommendations did this Commission come out with I read the CBO the Congressional Budget Office
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Assessment of the I didn't want to read the entire Commission reports
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It's like 600 fucking pages long or something like that
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No way and there's no way Aaron Russo or Alex Jones read that either too long
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But the CBO assessment found and listed off a bunch of the things that the the grace Commission
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Considered waste and was part of that
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424 billion dollars they could just get away with the Department of the Interior. No, that's that's my energy department Ron Paul stuff the
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State Department clearly we're in that world again. So here's some of the suggestions they had quote reduce food stamp child nutrition overlap
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Oh can't have that
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consolidate student loan programs
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sell unneeded public land
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Modify federal employees health benefit program. You kind of get the sense that some of those are probably code
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How are you gonna save money modifying the federal employees health care benefit?
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Oh, you're gonna modify it you're gonna get rid of a lot of I can't imagine that you're just gonna modify
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consolidating student loan programs
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Probably let's pinch these kids. Oh, you're gonna modify it right modify it. Yeah, you're gonna put them together reduce civil service
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Retirement benefits. Oh, you can't let them have that. Mmm repeal or modify Davis Bacon Act
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Which is a 1931 United States federal law that establishes the requirement for paying the locally prevailing
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Wages for public works progress for laborers and mechanics great get rid of that right? Yeah
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Also rip under bid
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Repeal or modify Walsh Healy Public Contract Act
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Which establishes minimum wage maximum hours and safety and health standards for workers on contracts in excess of ten thousand dollars for the manufacturing
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Or furnishing of materials supplies articles or equipment to the US government
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So again, it's another one of those. Let's cut corners by yeah people. Yeah
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Yeah, because it's also for contracts over ten thousand dollars
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So you can reasonably assume that the people who are getting those larger contracts could probably absorb some of that, you know
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But it'll be passed down to the individual laborers. They're getting fucked
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Of course, so also phase out VA health care facility construction
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Oh, well, you got to get rid of those get rid of the benefits for the VA
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Hey, you can't have that now just put them in a public hospital
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They can they fight and die for our country, which you find to be so important
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But yeah, but when they're done, they're done. You can't care about them after that also restrict federal employee disability benefits
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Well, and what if they get hurt? Mmm, then we'd have to pay for it. That's bull
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If we get rid of those benefits, they won't get hurt. That's an airtight argument Dan reduce
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They just don't have a financial incentive not to get hurt reduce paid annual leave benefits for federal employees
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Where are they going make them work more?
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Fuck it. Where do you need to go? Come on, man from the New York Times?
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I read an article from 1984 while this was going on
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it says quote one of the reason it's not possible at least at this stage to calculate actual or
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Likely total savings from the Commission's work is that many of these ideas were already under consideration
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So 75 million dollars was spent to end up with a lot of conclusions that Reagan and his shithead friends already
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Wanted you just to give rationalization to it and the things that you see in it are largely get rid of
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Helping programs. Yeah, so the idea well, that's what the taxpayers don't want to see their money go towards
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No
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But don't you understand this elaborate fraud that is against libertarian ideas that Aaron Russo is perpetuating with the help
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Very complicit help of Alex Jones is this idea that all of your income tax
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It just goes to pay off the interest on federal debts when that's not the case this report
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He's using it actually pay your friends, right? Exactly. Yeah that report explicitly doesn't say that it's fucking bullshit
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Anyway, I'm furious about that. Yeah
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Well, you know, we all need to recognize Reagan was one of our great presidents sitting on the hill speech
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Come on
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It was a shining city
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It was on that hill and the only way to get up on top of that hill is to stand on top of the dead
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Corpses of the poor. Yeah, everybody knows this like the grace Commission report is like
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It's it being used in this context is infuriating if you care about people and if you care about the truth
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Right, if all you care about is trying to push bogus anti-tax anti-federal reserve narratives
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It's manna from heaven because it's really easy to misrepresent. Oh, yeah ain't nobody gonna read that 600 pages
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Not it. It's not just easy to misrepresent. Even if you follow up on it. You're like, well, yeah, these are great ideas
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you know like that kind of a thing, of course, of course you want to
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Use the report that says fuck over the poor and be like see they're fucking over the poor. Yeah
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So in this next clip they talk about how evil it is that taxes are just taken out of your check
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Oh, yeah, you should have to write them a letter every time indeed
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And so now they've even taken control of the tax the the tax payment itself. I mean, we're really like you're a slave
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They're taking it right there when you make it exactly. I don't even trust the public enough to send them a check, right?
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So they think that automatically cuz they know people aren't gonna want to pay it. No shit
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That's my response to that. No fucking shit. Yeah, do you understand how difficult it would be to operate any sort of organization?
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With just like good faith you guys will take care of it
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I'm like the massive number of people like people who are like Alex or like Aaron Russo
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Even when the people are filling out their tax returns
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There's still a shit ton of like I bet if I just claim that I have a child nobody's gonna ask
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They can't look into that. Yeah, come on. What are you guys gonna do show up at my house? I had a home birth
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Hey, but but see like the other thing too is that like if you had that system in place where it's on you to send
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In your taxes, you would end up creating a much larger tax system, right?
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Because then you would have to have tons of investigators
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You'd have to have tons of people who go out and like hunt people down for not paying their taxes
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Yeah, but we could afford it if we didn't have to pay the minimum wage or take care of their benefits
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See it all makes sense at the end of the day have roving tax collectors raking six dollars an hour
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And then you're good what he's at zero government waste
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What he's accidentally advocating for is the diametric opposite of what he wants
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He wants a smaller tax system and that would create a huge tax system
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But these I would that would lead to audits having to happen for almost everybody on a regular basis. Yeah, cuz
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I guess they just don't want to pay taxes. Yeah, exactly. Just say you don't want to pay taxes. I mean they are
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Yeah, it's just it's just these stupid
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Intellectualizing of it right goes back to these ideas that are bogus that are misrepresenting actual cases
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it's so much of the
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Christian response to evolution like whenever they like if you go to the Creation Museum
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It's not just like well, we reject their science. It's like their science is wrong
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Hahaha, we fooled you. Yeah, you they thought they knew science with their doing it and we can just
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We lived at the same time as dinosaurs. You saw the Flintstones. Yeah, there we go. So God Jordan
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Are you ready for this to take a huge turn?
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I I'm not because I really think that every time somebody with a southern accent says the word slave
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They should have to pay a dollar fair. I think that's a reasonable thing reduced government waste exactly
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Um, so in this next clip everything I'll pay somebody minimum wage to go around and collect dollars from people in the south saying the word
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slave sure
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Everything changes in this next clip
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You we've talked a lot about taxes up till this point. Yes, and now everything changes we get back to the new
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I had a friend Nick Rockefeller. Okay, who's one of the Rockefeller family? All right, and he uh, when
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I was running for governor in Nevada, he came to me introduced himself to me through an attorney and
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we became friends we started talking about things and
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I
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Don't know if a lot for mr. Rockefeller and one of the things that we used to talk about
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Was the ultimate plan of the banking industry what they want to accomplish. So, what do you think about that?
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My friend. Well, I mean the Rockefeller was clearly recruiting him for the globalists
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Mm-hmm. And this is a this is while he's running for governor, correct?
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Ah, see now Alex is going to correctly call him out on his bullshit. He's gonna say no you were recruited by the globalists
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What do you have to say about that?
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Aaron Aaron you have tried to take over through globalist means clearly you have learned something from this
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And now you're coming back to me Alex Jones to rectify this makes mistake
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You're gonna tell us the secrets behind the globalist and how it is that they recruit people like you people who clearly have good
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Ideas and they're twisting and turning these good ideas into something evil
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What are the banking industries want to do? What did what globalist secrets did Rockefeller tell you you're on to some interesting?
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Threads that will continue as we go along
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but
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what you should know is this guy Nick Rockefeller may or may not exist as
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as Aaron Russo describes him from what is
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from what is available research because there is a picture of him with a guy who is
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Is purportedly and it seems to be a guy named Nick Rockefeller who is a lawyer that is not enough
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He's a lawyer not enough evidence
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He may or may not be a member of the Council on Foreign Relations
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But it's not clear whether he is a term member or a permanent member
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He might just be someone who joined for business contacts or something like that
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Right because the if you look at the role of members, it's a ridiculously huge list of people that doesn't prove shit to me at all
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There's no evidence that I can find that he's related to the Rockefellers. There's there's where we run into an issue here
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Yeah, that could be a big deal. That's a big issue. That might be a big deal
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I also cannot find any evidence that he's on Rockefeller Records
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Fuck you. All right, Dan, so I'll stick to the facts
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Yeah, that's what everybody was yeah, they don't need you for Rock of Ware now in 1998
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Aaron Russo ran for the governorship of Nevada as a Republican Russo placed second in the Republican primary winning about
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26% of the vote he would go on to endorse the Democratic candidate in the general election
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Who would go on to lose to Kenny Gwynn who would beat Russo in the primary?
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Ah, so he's all over the place there in 2004. He's uh, he takes things personally and he was like that guy beat me
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Fuck that guy. It's possible. That was the motivation
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I'm hearing I'm listening to Aaron Russo's voice and he's a guy who takes things personally. It's possible
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So in 2004, he tried to run for president as a libertarian
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He won the first round of voting in the libertarian primary by two votes
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Which was not a large enough margin to name him the candidate coming out of the convention
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So they had another ballot and he would go on to lose the final ballot by 89 votes
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423 to 344 so huge the libertarian party in
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2004 at that point he'd already
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Been diagnosed with bladder cancer
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Okay, and that's what he ends up dying a year after or about a year after this interview with Alex Jones
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He'd already been suffering from cancer struggling with cancer for years, right?
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and I think that might inform some of the claims he's making because he has a two million dollar tax lien and
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He has been battling cancer for years
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I think that that not to say boy it sure seems like he would benefit from
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More government spending on health care. It would also instead of perhaps
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Being unable to afford both health care and taxes
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It would also appear that he would stand to benefit from creating a documentary
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that's poorly sourced called America freedom to fascism and then creating a niche market for himself by going on Alex Jones's show and
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Saying that he knows a Rockefeller who told him all the secrets. It seems like that is a
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Pretty good gamble to make that you're going to make a lot of money from that now
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And I believe he may have now proved to me that Larry Nichols
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Existed before 2006. I think I can I think Aaron Russo faked his own death and became Larry Nick
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No, I can hear it in the voice
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No, because of Larry Nichols involvement in early Clinton scandals a trooper gate and stuff like that
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Where was Aaron Russo at the time? I don't know. He was running for governor
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He was producing a Cheech Marin joint, that's what he was doing Larry Nichols wrote jingles the same thing. Oh
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The movie
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That's probably not the case Larry Nichols did ghostwrite most of Bette Midler songs though
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So in this next clip we get to learn a little bit of what this mysterious
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Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo. Yes about the globalists plan
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Although we notice not using the term globalist start about international bankers, right?
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so the ultimate goal that these people have in mind is the goal to
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Create a one-world government
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Run by the banking industry run by the bankers
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Where and then they're doing it in sections the European currency the euro and and the European
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Constitution is one part of it now
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They're trying to do in America with the North American Union, right and they want to create a new currency called the Amero
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right
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The whole the whole agenda is to create a one-world government
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Where everybody has an our an RFID chip implanted in them. Gotta all money is
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to be
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In those chips
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Okay, it's not at all like an argument to go back. Let's go from a former gold-sales
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and all money will be in your chips and
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So any so not instead of having which was provided by any time you have money in your in your in your chip
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They can take out whatever they want to take out whenever they want to
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So that's that's the plan. I find this disappointing slightly, you know, why?
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mainly because I I
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One I'm pretty sure we do to some extent have an international
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One-world government that is run by the bankers and so far as the entire economic system of the world is interconnected
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Sure through bankers some of that's inevitable though. Like yeah, I mean even in a perfect
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Very mindful way of organizing society like the the the way that you know capitalism exists
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That is an inevitable conclusion of it because eventually you need to get into other markets
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Then I mean capitalism has a has a vested not even interest
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It has a necessity of growth that is entirely what it's about and because of that you can't ever
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Like at the highest levels of it
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You can't just limit yourself to your area and and even even if you did you'd still need trade
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Yeah, you still need resources from other places
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capitalism is a
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Is almost a disease like it spreads and it only has like one desire. Yeah. It's a lot like bladder cancer
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Yeah, and then it pees all over our assholes, right?
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I I mean, you know what?
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You know what so how bad of an idea is a one-world government and how bad of an idea is the RFID chip?
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Well RFID chips wouldn't work for that purpose based on the technology course, but the the spiritual idea behind what it is
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They're saying it's like having a fucking debit card, you know
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I mean pretty much exactly like having a debit card if I lose my debit card, I'm fucked
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You know what? I mean? Like I can't buy or sell without a debit card and that's not something evil
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I can also use it to get currency out of an ATM or whatever, you know
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Like it there's convenience issues that it does address
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But I think it would never I think no self-respecting world government would ever go for that just because of how hacky it is
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You know what? I mean? It is hacky. It's the kind of thing
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It's like well, this is gonna trigger the most aggressive angry gun toting
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Right, right. Let's not go down that right. Let's give it to them in something they can hold
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Well, I mean see here's how all of our debit cards have computer chips inside of them that function in the exact same way
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as what it is he's describing there's and there's already chips in like
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Passports now. Yeah stuff like that
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So I mean and what is your what is your business with like I think the only problem a lot of people's pets have chips
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And then you write so I mean, I think the only issue with a one-world government is what government it is
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Like I don't want a one-world government run by Xi Jinping, you know, right?
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I don't want a one-world government run by those guys
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I don't want to run one-world government run by the United States either
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No, but like the problem is that the problem with one-world government is that most governments around the world are shit
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Well, that's and that's I mean
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Even if you take the world government aspect out of it, like I don't want our government being run this way
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I don't want Chinese government being that way. It's not an issue of scale. It's an issue
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These are these are I don't think countries are anywhere near as important as their shitty
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Governments that are fucking everybody over and that's why even if having a central one-world government would be
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Necessarily not the worst thing ever
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It's a very bad thing to look for now because of the unevolved state of all the world's governments exactly
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The with the exception of something some places in like Scandinavia the only the only difference between a one-world government now and
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What we have is that instead?
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Everybody in the world would just be fucked over in the same way
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See instead of in their own unique way see that touches on what the fear is
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that the capital F fear of the one-world government that Alex and his ilk have and that is that if there is a
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Unified one-world government. There's nowhere you can go
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So like if fascism took over in America and it became a horrible authoritarian state
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You could still run away to Europe or something like that
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Whereas if there was a unified one-world government
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Then you would never be able to escape it without getting off the planet which at this point you couldn't do as a citizen
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Ah, so then 2006 in Alex Jones world in 2018, of course, you can't absolutely Mars bases, right?
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Absolutely. Well, no, not really. No, that's don't that's don't paint him with that one space world government
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Yeah, don't paint him with that
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But like so I get that fear and that for in for similar reasons to what you were espousing about most governments being flawed
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I don't support the creation of one world government
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But just from very different reasons than Alex and I don't think it's going that way
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No, I don't think the fact that the euro exists is evident
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I think it's going hard the opposite way currently there has not been sincere efforts to create
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At the amaro. I know it's been discussed, but it's always been roundly rejected just based on the the
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Complications that would come from how currency works
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Well and the the differences of opinion between countries like Canada America, Mexico
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They know there's no way they'd be able to come to agreement about how it should be
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You know laid out right just wouldn't it every time it gets suggested. It's like no well
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And that's not least of which because countries themselves are not unified blocks like so
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You know as much as your identity may be
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I'm American or I'm Canadian the guys in Canada who are like
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Government isn't real are more in the same country as like the guys in America who are like government is it isn't real as opposed
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To sure people along those lines like the country isn't the difference between those two people and that's an argument for
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globalism
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Because our borders are abstract ideas that I think it's an argument for segregation, and I don't like it now
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Well, I don't I disagree with your
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Assessment all I'm saying is that we should put people like Alex into one camp well. No no no
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But think about it. Let's give them a state. Let's get the state
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Let's give them, Arizona look if you don't think there should be a government you get, Arizona
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There's no government there you guys figure your own shit out and everybody else will be fine the ultimate irony would be if like there
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Was a North American Union that ended up happening and because Texas is so bullheaded
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They're like all right. We succeed right and then they are the thing that links the entire thing
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You have one little
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Sovereign state in the middle that blocks the rest of the United States from Mexico to a certain extent that's almost
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California that almost southern states that almost makes sense because then if you were one of those assholes living in Canada
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You'd be like well. I could just go to this non-government place, but because I'm staying here
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I'm tacitly admitting that government is a good thing
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I don't know if we're gonna come to a resolution of this, but it is more fun than talking about Aaron Russo
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I think I think Arizona is shit, and let's give them whatever they want Arizona has some delightful
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Rock formations, I've enjoyed it many times. I love it. We should we should take back their land, okay?
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In this next clip we get to hear a shocking
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revelation of Aaron Russo's that comes from mysterious Nick Rockefeller
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You'd be specific about when you met Rockefeller how it happened in these discussions I?
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Met Rockefeller to a female attorney
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I knew who called me up one day and said one of the Rockefellers would like to meet you
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I'd made a video called mad as hell and
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He'd seen the video and wanted to meet me and knew I was running for governor in, Nevada
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so sure I'd love to meet him and I met him and I liked him and
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he was a very very smart man and we should talk and share ideas and thoughts and
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And he's the one who told me 11 months before
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9-eleven ever happened that there was going to be an event
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Never tell him what the event was going to be
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But there was going to be an event and out of that event
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We would invade it's actually Woodstock 99 to run pipelines from the Caspian Sea. We were going to invade Iraq
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You know to take over the oil fields establish a base in the Middle East and make it all part of the New World Order
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and we go after Chavez in Venezuela and
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Sure enough later 9-eleven happened, and I remember he was telling me how
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How you're gonna see so just looking in caves for people in
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Afghanistan and Pakistan and all these places
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Was a psychic and there's gonna be this war on terror, which is no real enemy and the whole thing is a giant hoax
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You know, but it's a way for the government to take over the American people. He told you was gonna be a hoax. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
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There's no question
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Says there's gonna be war and terror and he's laughing. There's no
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Who is fighting? I mean, why do you think 9-eleven happened and then nothing's happened since then nothing?
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So anyway, that's that's a little silly. Here's the problem with this. Here's the problem
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I think I know why 9-eleven happened
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But also nothing happened since is a ridiculous thing to argue and if you're just saying that why haven't they taken over more planes?
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I don't know because fucking security got clamped down real fucking hard
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Now the other thing is all of this also it became hack all of the stuff that he's saying in this interview in
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2006 is stuff that has happened since 9-eleven
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He's just using his awareness of what has happened since then and pretending that he knew it 11 months before
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Mysteriously didn't tell anybody before 9-eleven. He wrote it down in an envelope. He put it in a bank vault waited five years
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after
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9-eleven didn't tell anybody and then brought the story out
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Mysteriously around the same time that he released a movie called America freedom to fascism
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Weird and he has two million dollars in tax liens and has a vested interest in really trying to sell this movie
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How do you sell it? I know a secret Rockefeller guy who told me about 9-eleven ahead of time
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Therefore everything in my movie must be based on totally real stuff now
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I'll read to you from a New York Times review of his documentary from freedom to fascism. Okay quote near the film's beginning. Mr
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Russo says and others appear on screen asserting that the IRS has refused every request to show any law
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Making Americans liable for an income tax on their wages yet among those
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Thanked in the credits for their help in making the film is Anthony Burke an IRS spokesman. Mr. Burke said that when mr
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Russo called him asking what law required the payment of income taxes on wages. He sent mr
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Russo a link to documents including title 26 of the United States Code
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Citing these specific sections that require income tax to be paid on wages
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Title 26 says on its face that it is a law enacted by Congress, but mr. Russo denied this fact. Oh, okay
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So he's just completely lying about shit
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Oh also the New York Times review also include that Bette Midler should get a best picture. Absolutely
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Yeah, the film the film also includes a brief interview with Sheldon Cohen who was an IRS commissioner in the Johnson administration
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Administration cut. Mr. Cohen said that mr. Russo used editing that quote twists my views to create a false impression
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Yeah
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So you get these sense that there's multiple people who were involved with this fucking stupid
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Documentary that he put out who have come out publicly and said oh no
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I did send him those documents that very clearly answer the question
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He asked and in the documentary says oh
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No one will respond to my requests and give me documents right or you have someone else who comes out and says hey this guy
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lied about me using editing and now he's coming on Alex Jones's show who has a
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staunch staunchly credible
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Reputation as a truth-teller right? He's coming on here in saying all this bullshit
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That's completely unverifiable about a guy named Nick Rockefeller who doesn't even appear to be a member of the Rockefeller family
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They say using him as my favorite to us because that's his name. He's using him to say
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Oh, I knew about 9-eleven almost a year before but yet I didn't do anything
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Which also probably makes you culpable for the deaths of three thousand people, which isn't great
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That's right, you didn't do a goddamn thing about it
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You want to criticize Bush for not stopping it based on prior intelligence. What the fuck did you do?
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Also, why don't you tell Alex Jones?
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Back then why don't you tell someone else who could do something scream about it? Anyway, my point is this guy's a con man
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yeah, this guy is a big old con man, and
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And it's so foundational for Alex Jones's worldview that it definitely deserves
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Being talked about now. There's a lot of other stuff in the interview that we're just for the sake of time
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We don't really have the time to get into
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but
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Suffice it to say the rest of the stuff is mostly like this. Yeah, so in this next clip. He said he
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Makes a brave pronouncement about the war on terror
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Look, this whole war on terror is a fraud. That's a farce
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It's very difficult to say it out loud because people are intimidated
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Against saying it because if you say it they want to make you into a nutcase
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Let's put the truth, but the truth has to be the truth has to come out
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That's what I'm doing this interview. The fact the matter happens to be that the whole war on terror is a fraud
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It's a farce. There's a war going on in Iraq because we invaded Iraq
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I think they're fighting, you know, but the war on terror, that's a joke
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Again, you could have gone to any protest. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's he's right
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and
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He's not just right at the time if you said the war on terror was a fraud and the news media would be like
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Ah, you're a nutcase. You're a lunatic that whole thing. I disagree
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Well, I don't know if the news is gonna cover what Aaron Russo said. Oh, yeah
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No, absolutely. Aaron Russo is a nutcase, but the war on terror is also a fraud
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But that is a very common very middle-of-the-road position in most liberal
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activist communities
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Predating 2006 right? So this idea, you know, the media sold the war on terror in the first place
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I'm not saying that I'm just saying that as a larger as a larger concept during this time
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I remember clearly that so many people who are like this is bullshit would be you're an American and you're a lunatic and all
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That stuff I don't I think I still don't think it makes it hard to say no
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Well, I'm on Alex Jones's fucking show
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No, of course not for him on Alex's show
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but at the time if you there were plenty of people whose
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Political careers were ruined by coming out and saying that this is bullshamed one. Uh, Dave. Okay, he's in my
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He's my works IT. Yeah, Dave from IT makes a repeat of God DM Dave from IT. I don't know. Anyway in this next clip
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We get some more news from the Rockefeller guy. Okay about women's lib. Oh
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Why would you jump there and he started laughing? He's Aaron. What do you think women's liberation was about?
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and
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I said I'm pretty conventional thinking about it at that point
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I said things about women having the right to work getting equal pay with men just like they won the right to vote
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You know, and he started to laugh. I said you're an idiot
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He said you want let me tell what that was about we yeah, I could fellas funded that we funded women's lib
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You know and we're the ones who got all over the newspapers and television the Rockefeller Foundation
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he says and you want to why so there were two primary reasons and
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And they were one reason was we couldn't tax half the population
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I think that's probably legitimate, but the second reason was now we get the kids in school at an early age
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We can indoctrinate the kids how to think but it breaks up their family
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The kids that look at the state as the family as the school as the officials as their family
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not as the parents teaching them and
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And so those are the two part of the primary reasons for myself, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing
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So we all know the public school didn't exist before women's lib, right? So there's that yeah
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But they didn't think they got into schools later, right?
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Yeah, yeah in which kindergarten taken from the German word
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Yeah, where they where they garden children, right? See there you go. I
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I would I would say we funded women's lib
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Well, I think they're like a no because I think if you do look back on it
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Like after like even just as another example like after Margaret Sanger had already been
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You know putting her crusade for women's health for years and years with no help
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Rockefeller Foundation did come in and fund her a little bit later good
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But so you could they didn't fund all of women's lib though
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No, no, no, but you can probably find examples where they did support
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But causes or gave grants endowments stuff like that to people like Margaret Sanger
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Throughout history you could probably find that but that doesn't mean that they funded women's lib or it was some sort of fake thing
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Right now you take the example of a fake thing. You have people like Edward Bernays with his
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Campaign to get women smoking and stuff like that now that is a fake co-opting of women's lib type ideas
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But that's not like the bigger picture of it wasn't that and to to a much finer point
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This is grossly patriarchal like this sort of idea that he's selling because well, he thought that women's
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liberation was a noble thing and then he discovered that
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Men should rule the world
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I guess but like even if like all like
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there were women who didn't want to go along with the idea of I need to have kids and
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I should have a career
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And the idea that he's sort of invalidating those people's perspective as saying like oh, no. No, it was all
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Rockefeller funded it was all these elites that I'm imagining
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That pushed this through it takes away a lot of the agency of the women who actually did fight for change
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Yeah, and also it didn't quite get pushed through so not entirely. Yeah, so this once again the globalists are
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Not real and bad at their jobs again. He's not calling them globalists, which is interesting
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So in this these next two clips
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We get to hear Aaron Russo say some stuff. That's shockingly familiar
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Okay, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna tell you this up front and I hope this doesn't color the way you hear this clip
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Uh-huh, but I got chills when I was listening to these clips because I believe that what he's about to say
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Alex has stolen his bit. I
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Think that did he meet three men in a hot tub? No, no, that would be amazing
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This is I was with these three men in a hot tub and then a globalist came up to me
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I think Alex heard this in this interview
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Aaron Russo died shortly after this and he just took it on as his own backstory because it's very
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Familiar to us nowadays, but I mean, I don't know. I haven't listened to a ton of Alex from like 2004 2005
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I don't know if this was a piece of his his past back then but I imagine it wasn't I think it just comes from this
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Okay, I
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killed no as to say, you know that I never really did that because
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Well, that was when I was coming from and as much as I like you Nick, you know
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Your way is in my ways with the other one the opposite side of the fence, you know
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I don't believe in enslaving people, you know, and
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And he would come back with oh, I do well be more like, you know better for them. That's more like, you know
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How I put it it was like
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What do you care about them, what do you care about those people
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What difference does it make to you?
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Take care of your own life
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Do the best you can for you and your family?
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What are the rest of the people mean to them mean anything to you?
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That just serves they're just people
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You know, it was it was just a lack of
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Caring, you know, and that's just not who I was. It was just sort of like cold, you know, it was just like cold
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You know and I said what what's the point of all this you have all the money in the world you need
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You have all the power you need. What's the point?
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You know, what's the end goal and he said the end goal is to get everybody chipped
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So you hear that's silly, but you you have a weird conversation
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You hear there him talking about how Nicholas Rockefeller was trying to recruit him in so many people
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They were trying to recruit him in but he couldn't do it because I don't want to disrespect the humanity of other people
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Now is this next clip where it talks about it even more and this is even more familiar
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I
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Was 10 million dollars maybe because that's the ballpark. It's in the ballpark
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successful in the movie business and
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I saw the truth of what was happening
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I try to express it to the people and
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Rather than having me express it to the people they wanted me to join this side because I so real quick already
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Already, I could have been Glenn Beck or could have been Glenn Beck or Alex. I had million-dollar movie deals
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He's already been in movies. Oh, yeah, he's been in so many big movies. He's not offered tons of movies
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They're trying to reach out to me. They're trying to get me in but I don't want to do it. So anyway
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As I was a mover and a shaker and rather than me opposing them to join them. It was real simple and
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He tried to recruit me into that situation and I didn't go for it. Did he get angry when you didn't go?
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no, no and
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You know, it's like, you know, everyone already I have to think that first of all
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It's very clear that Alex stole this because his response wasn't that happened to me, too
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Yeah, so anyway, my my thing that I'm amazed at right now is Alex is a way better interviewer in
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2006 yeah, I mean he's asking leading questions
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He's not he's letting his guests talk and he's fucking he's doing it
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I think what he references he's not a good interviewer, but he's a better interview. He references that
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They had a conversation the night before and I have to assume the night before he told him some of these
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Bombshell right he says and so he knows that like let's not step on this
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I'm going to get a fake Rockefeller story out of the right right one time
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He said to me you join us yet
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so you have an ID card Aaron, you know, you have a chip and your chip will say KMA on it and
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I saw this came Amy. He said it means kiss my ass
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You a cop or whatever and you show them your car or your chip and
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They'll know to leave you alone because she one of us, you know, and you know
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What why are you fighting for the people for what what is that about the people just you know that they have to be ruled?
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I have to have to be you know, the Constitution what we what you're standing is only for a few people
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so you visuals like to live that way, you know, and
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We believe that the special society
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This best society to be ruled by an elite people who control everything
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This is so this is so Alex's shit, man. Yeah been saying the alley
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Well, I didn't I didn't fully even down to the stupid. We're gonna put KMA on your chip, right?
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Right, like okay. All right. I mean Alex. All right, Alex talks a lot about like getting an offer like you have a free pass
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Yeah, you'll be one of us. Why do you care about these sheep?
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These are always a stupid code that is obviously stew and like a fucking put badass motherfucker on your wallet
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And that's the same bullshit that there's more or less. Mr. Officer. I believe I'm a badass motherfucker
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You know, I apologize what's in the case
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I mean, it's the same sort of thinking that leads you to like those people who are selling the laminated don't vaccinate me card
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Yeah, you know like I have this card. You can't do it. You can't plug. Haha. You fooled
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I have a postcard that I spent
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$25 on with the fit what what what was it the phrase that got you out of it? Yeah the phrase that pays
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so I was a
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This is a perfect example of something that I definitely watched like 10 years ago or something like that
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You know seven eight years ago
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I have watched this interview before but knowing that what I know about Alex now, I saw it through completely new eyes
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Yeah
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Like that story to me was horrifying to hear because I know
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From other looking into this guy that he's a liar
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Right and then I know what Alex has sold about his life story since then so I I have
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Really strong confidence that what happened was this is Aaron Russo's
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Pretend bit if you're a comic that's his bit and then he you know, he's not super mainstream
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He never got on Comedy Central or something like that. He dies a year later. Like I'm gonna do that bit
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It was a good bit, right?
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That's a great bit he Robin Williams did the idea that the globalists have reached out to me and tried to get me to join
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their team
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Explicitly that's a good bit and he's just stolen that bit. Yeah, it's a good bit. It's a great bit
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I mean, it's bullshit. It's a good bit. I mean he should have paid for it. Yeah, absolutely
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Help him out with that text exactly. Yeah, come on, man
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I'm not sure Alex had the money in 2006 look and people buy bits it happens. There's nothing to be ashamed of
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Yeah, so we have one more
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sort of bullshit thing that
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Russo says before we wrap this up and here's that he didn't mention to me once
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Like they'll have a real problem trying to solve the Israel
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The Palestinian problem and he talked to me once about they were playing with the idea of bring Israel to Arizona
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you know and think like that idea Israel and give everybody a million dollars and
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Setting up Israel in the state of Arizona
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I'm believable. It is unbelievable. That's pretty wild. I like that. I like that. Yeah, I like the idea of
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Judaism just being like guys we got the math wrong. Our Holy Land is actually Arizona
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Right our bad our bad guys. It's also kind of insulting that it's like hey fuck it
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We'll give them a million dollars
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Now consider that that's that's almost anti-semitic and like that the yeah
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The Jews will just take money instead of now consider in 2006
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The population of Israel was seven million people give them each a million dollars
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Put them into Arizona as millionaires and that will somehow fix the Israel-Palestine issue done
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It doesn't solve anything does it Oh, are you sure I mean, you know what?
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There are a lot of ideas that you don't know are bad until you try well
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Here's here's why I wouldn't solve that because first of all, yeah
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Give me a reason dad. Well the people cuz I can't see any the people who believe in Israel the most
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Aggressively would never take that deal because it's not about like
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Just being like oh we can have Arizona great. It's not about that
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It is about the holy land that exists there kind of pretty important geographically based
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So even if you got rid of let's say two million of the seven million people that are there
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You're still gonna have a lot of people who are still
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enforcing
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Apartheid government and that's a lot of money. Yeah, it's gonna come into money. It's gonna come into money
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You know what? What's that? That's even if you have two million dollars, that's two trillion dollars more than that
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Yeah much more than that
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That's a thousand dollars. Oh, yeah. Oh boy. Yeah, I don't even know what that number is called
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No, it's millions of millions. A trillion is a hundred thousand dollars per person. So I guess it would be a quadrillion dollars
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Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah now our math is bad. It's not important because this is all bullshit
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but I
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Mean, I guess a secondary issue would be then what are you doing bringing seven million more people into Arizona?
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How is that gonna affect the demographic? Well, the Arizona's love Jews. Everybody knows that Oh
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Certainly. Yeah, that's one thing one thing that Arizona is famous for
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Loving Jewish people. I'm not even saying from a demographic standpoint that way
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I just mean adding seven million more people into a state would throw everything into complete chaos
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Seven million isn't that big for Arizona of the seven million that are in Israel though, too
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You got to assume that like that's including Palestinians. So I guess it wouldn't be all of them
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Well, and they would have to take their rock with them. So I would store their dome. They might they might pick one or the other
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in
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2006 the population of Arizona was six million. See there you go. You would double the population
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Nobody even lives there. Yeah, this is cockamamie not give him a lake the idea that he's saying that Rockefeller
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Is Nick Rockefeller right is saying this to him makes me believe that Rockefeller might just be a guy who likes to talk shit
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lawyer guy who
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Russo has assumed is part of some elite faction because of his last name and is like
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I like I
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Really like that idea
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I like that idea as fiction or the idea of just like like that's a great
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Alternate history fiction book is instead of instead of after the Holocaust. We create Israel's estate. We're just like
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Arizona
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It's nice
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Desert yeah, you guys get it
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So I mean this brings us to the end of another
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Investigation of a side con man in the infowars lineage, but I want to bring one thing sharply into focus
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at no point
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During any of this interview does Aaron Russo or Alex Jones?
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Bring up George Soros in any way. They don't reference him. That is a good point
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They don't talk about him at all zero Soros. Hey, we're in the Rockefeller territory Soros is right up there exactly
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But this is a time when Soros was not a thing that Alex thought about or cared about interesting all Rockefeller stuff Ford Foundation
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Perhaps maybe you'll get a plug in there. Yeah, it's interesting to me that you have someone who he's purporting as being on the inside
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and knowing a
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Arch-globalist family member and having the invitation them
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He's coming in and spilling the beans and at no point does Soros the Open Society Foundation come up at all
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Nope, wonder why interesting I wonder why
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Fascinating right more on that to come in. All right. All right, Dan tease your balls off
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I'm not teasing anything cuz I don't actually know the answer to this question, but it's fucking it's not right
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You know, it's yeah based on Alex Jones's own reporting of his
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Skeptical history that he should absolutely be like, what do you know about Soros right if he thinks he's a Nazi
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No, if you know a Rockefeller the Rockefellers know Soros, they're into very involved. Yeah. Yeah, they're all globalist
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They go to their meeting pretending that in 2006. He didn't rank is bullshit. That's bullshit
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He was very actively involved in politics very actively involved in funding foundations and shit like that in 2006
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It's nonsense. We'll see. I will say I want to learn more about it. Absolutely, but it fucked up
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This is if anywhere there should be a fingerprint of Soros on Alex's past
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It's when he's interviewing this guy who told him he knew about 9-eleven ahead of time
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probably
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You would think that you would think that Soros would have been like the main
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boogeyman from the start you would think or that there would have been an investigation like our like if
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like when we go back through 2015 and do that whole long ass investigation if
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Soros then comes up. It seems like there would be a
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Corroborating info wars investigation during that time of like well, we looked into the Rockefellers
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We looked into the Ford Foundation and we found another guy. We found a guy that's behind that
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You would think they found some reason instead of just a narrative emerging whole cloth out of nowhere
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But Alex doesn't do any research as you see when he brings up the grace Commission
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He doesn't understand what they actually said. He just thinks like oh, I'll take that soundbite of
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No money what all of it went to?
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The interest when it's actually saying all the stuff that we didn't consider waste went to
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Paying off the interest when waste is something that very debatably is not waste
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No, not just very debatable. He doesn't do any work
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He doesn't do any research and you can see that even in
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2006 I was hoping we'd go back and he'd have a much more strong grasp on on information and stuff like that
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But no, he's playing the same fast and loose games. He does with with stuff now so he can
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He doesn't have the he doesn't have the same ego. No, no, no, no, not at all. No because the globalist hadn't
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Imaginarily reached out to him yet. Ah, that's true and Russo hadn't died and he had he's
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Discover how important he really was right right until after he stole Aaron Russo's backstory, right? Exactly
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So anyway, if you'd like our show you can go to our website knowledge fight calm
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Underscore fight that's correct. Also. We're on Facebook
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What else you can go to iTunes? Yes, I do go to iTunes you could download our download our podcast indeed
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You could go to the you could go to the internet and just like I mean
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I don't know how the internet works, but write a letter and send it to the internet and tell people about our show
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Yeah
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Tell the internet people give give yourself a return address right internet and the
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Post office will get it. Absolutely. Yeah
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But before we end this I'd like to say that I'd like to say
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You'd like to say that you'd like to say yeah, I want not for Aaron Russo to be the person yourself to fuck him
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So I know I don't think I don't think I got the feeling that Aaron Russo wasn't the guy he's a con man for sure
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Yeah, I mean he he should fuck himself on some level but I do feel sad that he died
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Yeah, I mean almost immediately after that not immediately but shortly after this interview bladder cancer fucked him
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Really and he'd been you know, he'd been diagnosed for years
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So I think he knew that the stakes were lower right for him to come on Alex's show and say crazy shit
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Yeah, he's playing with house money. I would say maybe I
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Mean Reagan's in the running Oh Reagan can go fuck himself. All right, Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding
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So Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you
