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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed, that is what we do.
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Dan, Dan, let me ask you a question.
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Yep.
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Is there a hook?
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There is, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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We are back, after what seems like forever.
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Yeah!
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Thank you to everybody who enjoyed the end game coverage, which you can find all nine hours of on our iTunes feed.
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You can find Dan's monument to looking up whether or not a guy said that.
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Right, there's a lot of that.
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I want to start this show by just doing a little bit of house cleaning on that.
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I am very self-conscious because I think I didn't do a good enough job.
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On Thursday night, you were all up in my business saying, I got something wrong.
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Jordan, I got something wrong!
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Not so much that, I mean I think, first of all, Malthus might have been a worse dude than we gave him credit for.
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He's probably a pretty terrible dude and I think we let him off the hook too easy.
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But then the other thing was that in the first episode, at the beginning, the first thing we stopped for, that H.G. Wells quote,
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I misread my notes about the quote, and that's accurate.
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What I said in there was accurate, but also the specific part of the quote that he takes out.
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He doesn't even put an ellipsis in to note that he was, you know, he's not using AP style.
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The quote that he says is, like, many people will resist the New World Order or die resisting it or whatever.
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Right, right, right.
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In the middle of those two sentences, there's a list of, like, millionaires and maharajis.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's just, like, the specific people he's talking about in that quote, and I forgot to point this out.
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And their addresses and where to buy a gun and where to find them and solve the New World Order problem.
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He's literally talking about the people who will resist the New World Order of taking care of people will be these millionaires.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So be that as it may, I just wanted to clear that up because I'm very self-conscious of myself and all this.
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Wow.
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I just didn't make the point strongly enough.
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Yeah, it was even worse than we talked about.
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That's how stupid that quote is.
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There's a couple more instances of that you can check out on our endgame bibliography, which is on knowledgefight.com.
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Or if you have a CD of the Encarta, you can also follow up with a lot of his...
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Or if you want to fuck around with the Wayback Machine.
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Oh, you can get one of those.
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You can find those Encarta pages.
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You can get Mr. Peabody and fucking ride it out.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over today as our welcome back to reality.
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But before we get...
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It's going to be all about cotter.
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It is.
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Up your nose.
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Up your nose.
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Before we get into that, I want to give a shout out to a couple of new donors.
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What's going on out there?
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What's going on out there, Pete B?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much for joining up with the show.
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Thank you so much, Pete Best.
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The Fifth Beetle has joined up.
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The next one is actually very special.
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Special shout out to someone who has bumped up their donation, but at the same time has
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also become the moderator of our new group on Facebook.
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Oh shit.
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That is the encouragement for us actually creating that group.
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He sent me a message and said, hey, it would be kind of cool if we had a group where people
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can post stuff and joke around and all that stuff.
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So we have a group on Facebook.
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It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
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The shortest name we could find.
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So it's there.
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You could find it.
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And if you request to be a member, we will let you in the group.
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There's a lot of fun stuff going on.
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You only have to remember six of those eight words in order to find the group, yes.
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People clowning around.
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It's a great time.
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And thank you for the...
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And if you search Knowledge Fight, it won't come up, so no.
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We're stupid.
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But thank you for inspiring and encouraging us to open that up because it's really cool.
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It's so fun looking at all of the listeners and myself jumping in and clowning with each
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other.
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Absolutely.
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It's real nice.
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But thanks for inspiring that and bumping up the donation.
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Keegan, you're officially a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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So thank you very much, Keegan.
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Now that you think about it, he might have already been a technocrat.
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But either way, God bless you.
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You're the best.
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So Jordan, it took a long time to do that end game coverage because there's a ton of
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research into very weird...
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His bibliography sucked.
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There were loose ends.
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There were dead ends of his research and things he didn't prove at all and I had to try and
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figure out what the fuck is he talking about.
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There's a guy with a cowboy hat.
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Oh God, that cowboy hat.
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Jim Tucker.
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I had to research where cowboy hats came from.
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His cowboy hat was of course made by a globalist undercutting his entire argument.
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I had to figure out why he wasn't also wearing a bolo tie.
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These were questions and he's dead so I had to have a seance to find out.
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It took a lot of time.
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So it took weeks of research and then we recorded...
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That'd be a fun, harsh turn for us to take because all of a sudden we're spiritualists.
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By the way, we are turn of the century spiritualists apparently.
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It happens.
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He claims to be the reincarnation of David Wilcox.
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Oh man.
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He's not dead.
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Cleopatra.
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Cleopatra.
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That's me.
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David Wilcox claims to be the reincarnation of...
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Who is that guy?
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He's called The Sleeping Mystic.
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What was his fucking name?
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Edgar Cayce.
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Oh, okay.
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He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and so...
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This is not...
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Who gives a shit?
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I don't know.
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I think now is the time to talk about reincarnation.
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He has been on Project Camelot so he might come up at some point in the future.
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But we recorded that, that was a hot nine hours and then the editing of it, the posting,
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putting together our bibliography, that took up most of last week and so we haven't had
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an episode.
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And unfortunately or fortunately, it's debatable, in that time a lot of stuff that hits close
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to home for Alex has happened.
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We had the...
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Mainly guns.
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We had the shooting in Parkland, which I think that you and I have discussed we have no interest
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in talking about, at least at this point, out of respect for those affected.
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And rage.
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There's that.
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And that all the arguments that are made are really stupid and are the exact same arguments
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that have been made over and over and over again every time there's a tragedy.
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So if you want to know our feelings about it, go listen to us talk about Alex talking
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about Sandy Hook.
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Pretty much.
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Pretty much the same fucking thing.
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Very similar.
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And then there was that town hall meeting that CNN had.
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I don't know if he talks about that too much.
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But then some articles started to come out about how he was in trouble with YouTube standards.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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He's got two strikes.
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I think he has two strikes left or something like that.
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Who knows?
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Arbitrary bullshit.
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I was talking on the group Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant with some folks.
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My position on it is, quite frankly, that these sorts of articles are really just reinforcing
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his victim status and his narratives that he has.
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I think it does nobody any help to sell this sort of bullshit.
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Why exactly are you talking about how many fucking strikes he has on YouTube whenever
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he's an anti-Semite fucking lunatic?
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Exactly.
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Who gives a shit about his strikes on YouTube?
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Every single fucking article should be like, and here's why he's a monster, and here's
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why all of this stuff, instead of fucking Alex Jones, noted ridiculous monster.
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My feeling on it is, quite frankly, I think it's stupid.
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I think the strikes they're referring to are nonspecific and full of shit.
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But then further-
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It's amazing how much baseball has influenced our punitive systems.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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But baseball's not arbitrary.
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No.
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There's rules.
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There's so many rules.
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You could make it two strikes.
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You could make it five strikes.
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It doesn't matter.
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So many technicalities in baseball, but not in YouTube.
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Weird.
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So the other feeling that I had is like, all right, if you guys are going to play that
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game and that's what you want to do, hit me up.
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I could find you some more strikes.
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I know a few things.
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I know a few places where he vaguely threatened Chris Cuomo's children.
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Yeah, you want some strikes?
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We'll find you some strikes.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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We can get him banned from YouTube tomorrow.
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Exactly.
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You guys want to talk about fortified supply?
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We got plenty of shit.
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We can get him banned from stuff, but that's not our objective.
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And I sincerely think that-
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It's kind of not our objective.
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Well, but I think anybody who's pushing for like some sort of a banning on the merits
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of content, I think is barking up a really bad tree and it's the wrong approach to take
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because up to a certain point, he is protected under free speech guidelines that are there
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specifically to protect speech that is disgusting and awful.
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And I think you play a losing game when you're like, Alex said something stupid.
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Let's get him kicked off X, Y, or Z.
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The more reasonable thing to do is the crimes certainly deal with those.
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Usually crime starts first.
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And then wage a campaign to allow his listeners to see him within the proper context.
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Things like show people his bibliography for Endgame.
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That's something that I think could erode public confidence among info warriors.
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You would hope.
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But again, we've talked about this.
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He would just say, of course I don't have anything in the bibliography.
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All my sources are secret.
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I have top-
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Top level.
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Oh yeah.
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Anyway, who cares?
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I'm getting off on a terrible-
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Top level Encarta access.
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Absolutely.
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So it's been a big week for Alex.
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Did you know there's a secret Encarta page that you can find on the dark web?
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You know what's weird?
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It has all of Encarta encapsulated?
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On Tor?
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A Tor browser?
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You get all of Encarta?
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think we did a really terrible job of a couple things, actually, now that I'm thinking
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about it a little more.
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All right, Dan.
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We're gonna have to do it again.
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From the top.
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Get it going.
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No, we didn't know.
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I think that it bears mentioning that-
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Take two.
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Alex made that.
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That came out in 2006, 2007.
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He doesn't mention George Soros in that documentary once.
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That's true.
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You know?
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There's all sorts of things like that that are like-
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Well, George Soros wasn't involved in building the Trans-Texas Pipeline or whatever it was.
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He was involved in everything, according to Alex, and I think it's interesting that his
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narrative hadn't developed to that point yet.
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Well, what happened was they told Soros, they were like, hey, you're doing a great job globalizing.
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We love it.
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Sit this Texas thing out.
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That way Alex can't talk about you.
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But he believes that he's a part of the trilateral commission and the Bilderberg group and all
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that, and he is talking-
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Oh yeah.
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Who cares?
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Well, he was the one who invented the time zones.
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He's got a sense that his name doesn't come up once, and he's Alex Jones' big boogeyman.
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Anyway, it's been a big week for Alex.
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He's got a lot of shit to deal with, and I went back and I was like, all right, we're
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coming back.
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We had to check in with the president.
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I was like-
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Do we?
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Well, I think we do out of a decency and a completeness.
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That's true.
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So I was looking around and I was like, hmm, that's weird.
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Milo Yiannopoulos was on every day last week.
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I saw that.
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He was on all the time.
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I saw that.
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I saw-
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They're really trying to forge an alliance.
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Really?
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Why is that?
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I believe so.
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Well, because Milo has reached a premature point in his career where no one wants him,
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and when that happens, generally people go to Infowars, and so he's going to Infowars.
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He's a potent tool for Alex right now, but I think he'll outstay his welcome pretty quickly.
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As he has done literally everywhere else.
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I don't mean this in any homophobic sense, but I think that Alex's audience, and Alex
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has to know this, I assume.
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So much of what drives Infowars is a misplaced version of masculinity, and that's why they
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like this testosterone-driven Alex Jones screaming all the time and taking his shirt off and-
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Right, right, right.
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You know, the Owen Schroyer shooting hoops in a commercial for vitamin B or whatever.
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There's a weird testosterone-driven masculinity that is at the core of Infowars.
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So you're saying an effete homosexual will, especially a British one, will most likely
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turn off his very masculine-based awful, awful listeners.
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I think it's only a matter of time before the charm wears off for them.
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So if Alex is trying to give him his own-
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You don't think a certain amount of tokenism will instead make them feel more enlightened?
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They'll be like, see?
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You can't call us racists or homophobes.
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We listen to a gay man.
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It's possible, but I think the alternative is more likely, just based on what I know.
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These guys all love the Olympics.
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They've been listening to Johnny Weir.
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They're crying at figure skating all the time.
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That's something that we know about Infowars.
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Sure.
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Yep.
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I don't know.
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Admittedly, I'm just guessing.
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But who knows?
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Who knows?
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I don't know.
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So far, it's been a really good press gambit for the two of them.
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All these sites are writing about it, and what have you.
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Milo said something, bah!
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It's weird how any time there's a Infowars change, they'll write up a boring, like, well,
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look it.
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Milo is saying bullshit on Infowars, but the day-to-day monstrosity is never covered.
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Well, you know why?
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I've been thinking about that.
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Because we do it.
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Because it's fucking hard.
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It is fucking hard.
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And, you know, you think about the bottleneck of Alex Jones' Infowars-related material.
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It generally comes from, you know, Right Wing Watch or Media Matters.
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But even Media Matters generally gets their clips from Right Wing Watch.
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And the reason is, it fucking takes forever to go through all this bullshit.
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And Right Wing Watch does it for you.
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So Right Wing Watch puts out a video of X, Y, or Z thing that they think is interesting
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from Alex Jones' show.
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And then Media Matters, or, and I'm not saying anything bad about Media Matters or Sam Seder,
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or any of these shows, any of these YouTube shows, they pick up the thing that Right Wing
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Watch put out because it's the work done for them already.
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That's true.
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So you're saying that Right Wing Watch should hire us.
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Nah, I don't want to do that.
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I don't want to be a part of any of those institutions.
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Like I thought about this.
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I could apply for a job at Media Matters and probably get one.
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Like based on the work that I've done already, a lot of the things I've written, a demonstration
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created, track record of being on that side, hypothetically, I don't know what there is
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more to that side that I don't know, but I would assume the competences I've displayed
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probably would get me at least an entry level job.
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You would hope.
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And I have no interest in that.
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Okay.
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I don't want to move to DC.
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But anyway.
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Fair enough.
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So my point is-
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Work from home, Dan, freelance.
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My point is that there's nothing nefarious about the idea that everyone just covers this,
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you know, clip of Milo being embarrassing, selling supplements or whatever.
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It's because it's the thing that someone's already pre-packaged for you and you can just
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push it out.
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Right.
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I get it.
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I just wish that people would, like you were saying, look at the bigger picture.
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Anyway, I checked in on Friday, so I wanted to see what was happening.
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And so I watched a bit of it, and I have a couple clips I want to play for you.
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In this first one, Alex is Furious, and he explains how he feels about this perceived
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censorship that's going on with YouTube.
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And he references a Wall Street Journal article that he flashes up on screen, and it doesn't
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say the things he says it says.
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Of course not.
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But let's enjoy.
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I've tried to explain this feeling.
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It's like coming home to your apartment, because I haven't had any robberies with the house
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apartment, and all your stuff's been torn through, and on top of it, whoever was in
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your house over the weekend, because people break in anyway, you stay in there, I guess
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because they know you're out of town or something, and then somebody pisses on your rug for no
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reason.
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Right out of Big Lebowski, you're like, wow, you pissed on my floor, you didn't just steal
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my computer and TV and eat stuff out of the refrigerator, you pissed on the floor.
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And that's what CNN's like.
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Fake news, fake town halls, fake scripted interviews, they've all been caught going
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and harassing old ladies at their houses, CNN peed on my floor, all this crap to try
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to bully the American, Cuomo going, you're not allowed to look at WikiLeaks, you'll be
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arrested if you do.
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I am allowed to.
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I mean, the condescension of a narcissistic mental patient like that.
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I mean, a drooling, knuckle dragging, 75 IQ thug, a thug, like his stupid brother.
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But no, I'm serious.
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Milo?
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Oh, he's talking to Milo?
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I feel raped, and I don't feel like I'm a victim, I'm pissed.
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I want to unscrew somebody's head politically.
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I mean, this is a real group of flaming authoritarians that brag and celebrate that they banned you
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off Twitter and have financially tried to ruin you.
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And they celebrate everywhere, pissing on you constantly.
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And people say, why are you that Milo guy?
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It's fashionable to tear him down because he's like, I said, Wednesday and now I am.
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And all these other idiot libertarian and conservative hosts that don't get this morons.
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Why did I give Rush Limbaugh $300 and something thousand dollars when they were about to kick
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his show off?
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Because I could get advertising at half price and support the First Amendment.
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I wonder which of those considerations was more important.
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Wait.
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I wonder if he was more like-
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So I can get advertising at half price, dummies.
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Also the First Amendment, whatever, whatever.
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It's a fire sale on ads.
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I gave him 300 grand and he gave me services in response.
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Why do you think I did that?
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Was it just a normal transaction that we all make all the time?
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Was I making a good deal?
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Yes.
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But also the First Amendment, baby.
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Was it a tacit-
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All about it.
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Was it a tacit acknowledgement that he had a much wider audience than me and I was trying
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to poach him?
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Maybe.
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But also the First Amendment.
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Was it so I could tell him, hey, guess what?
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You're failing and I'm the one who's saving you.
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Right.
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Maybe.
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Was it an ego move?
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Maybe.
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Entirely possible.
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Maybe I was taking it too and I made a bunch of money for our operation.
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That's right.
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And the First Amendment.
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I went and propped up Rush Limbaugh and a bunch of other people did because if they
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could shut him down, they're going to shut us down, people.
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You hang together, you hang separate.
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Remember Benjamin Franklin?
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He's on the $100 bill.
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He launched the whole country.
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You know who he is?
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Who?
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Damn, these people don't have any instincts, Milo.
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What bill is he on?
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None.
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I'm not mad for me.
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We've already been demonetized.
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They already censor us on YouTube.
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It's that they're nakedly, openly saying, we're censors and we're going to shut everybody
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down.
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And then the public, the dumb liberals go, oh good, shut him down.
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YouTube is a private company, right?
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You're going to be shut down, you drooling morons.
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I'm sorry.
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Love it.
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Politically.
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I love it.
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I'm sorry.
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Politically.
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I'm sorry.
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So, I mean, he's doing good.
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Yeah.
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And the true, and the true comedy of it is like, Milo being on now is interesting because
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he fucking wouldn't touch Milo right after all the shit went down.
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Oh yeah.
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But now you've, you've, he's cooled off.
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You've waited it out.
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Yeah, he's cooled off.
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You've waited it out.
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Why do you think I gave $300,000 to hire Milo?
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Was it because I got him super cheap?
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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Was it because his net, well, his podcast wasn't taking off and he needs some, he needs
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some juice.
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Was it because, oh, he's in a desperate position because that whole fucking lawsuit he was
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trying to pull against his publishers didn't work out and the Mercer stopped giving him
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money?
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Maybe.
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But he did plead on him.
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First amendment.
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Entirely possible.
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First amendment.
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First amendment though.
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So at this point they sort of pivot, uh, and I mean, it's, it's all like how Alex sort
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of deals with this fake idea that he's being censored.
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He just gets mad at his normal enemies, YouTube, CNN.
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Censoring him.
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Well, I mean, I've got this wall street journal article.
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Also he does know that the, look, the first amendment covers what the government can do.
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A private company can still just do whatever you, you have to agree to their terms and
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conditions, which clearly state, you know, we can fuck you over if we want.
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Right.
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Right.
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You know, it's, it's that, it's that thing that every company has, like when I used to
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manage a movie theater, every ticket it was printed, we can refuse service to anyone for
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any reason.
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Yeah.
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And it's the same thing with most, except for if you're black, we can't do it then.
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Gay?
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Maybe.
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In the, in the maybe zone right now.
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Depends on what state.
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Yeah.
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We'll see how the Supreme Court rules before we go there.
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And then, you know, every, almost every state has at will employment where you can be fired
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for any reason or no reason.
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Exactly.
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It's just what businesses do.
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Yeah.
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To, to an extent getting mad about that is like, well, you have a lot more to get mad
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at.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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You got a bigger picture to look at.
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But I have this wall street journal article here in front of me.
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The headline is YouTube takes aim at conspiracies, propaganda, conspiracies, comma propaganda.
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And I'll just read a little bit here.
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YouTube says it's planning changes to give users more context for videos promoting conspiracy
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theories or state-sponsored content.
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The latest effort by an internet giant to clean up its platform made criticism over
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its role in spreading misinformation.
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YouTube said starting Friday it would label all videos coming from what it identifies
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as state-funded broadcasters, a category that would include even the United States' Public
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Broadcasting Service or PBS.
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The step is significant in part because YouTube has been a major conduit for RT, the Russian
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state news organization that U.S. intelligence officials called the Kremlin's principal international
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propaganda outlet.
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So I looked through this entire article.
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It doesn't say anything about censoring info wars.
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I think there's only one reference to Alex Jones at all in it, and it's oblique at best.
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YouTube first tweaked its search results for breaking news in October after it was criticized
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for surfacing conspiracy theories about a mass shooting that killed 59 people during
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a concert in Las Vegas.
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The change appears to have enhanced the search results for some key news events that have
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attracted conspiracies.
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Three days after the Las Vegas shooting in October, for instance, the fifth result for
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a search on YouTube about the attacks was a video titled, quote, proof Las Vegas shooting
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was a false flag attack shooter on the fourth floor.
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But on Thursday night, the results were all mainstream news sources.
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The policy hasn't always worked, though.
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On Wednesday, after a train carrying some Republican lawmakers with a truck searches
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for GOP train crash on YouTube returned as the first result, a livestream from Alex Jones,
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the founder of conspiracy theory site Infowars, as the third, and as of the third, a video
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titled train crash attempted assassination of GOP Congress members?
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YouTube said its algorithm hadn't recognized the search quickly enough as a news related
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query.
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So it's talking about, I mean, Alex Jones is referenced there, but because he's part
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of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think you I think I think you get into dangerous territory whenever you say, like,
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just because you're saying stupid shit, we're going to block you or something like that.
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But yeah.
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But then again, if you're spreading propaganda about how these kids are crisis actors, yeah,
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that's a little bit different than saying stupid shit.
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No, I agree.
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I agree.
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And I don't think that this this is tantamount to I don't I don't I mean, again, goes large
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part of this goes to the private company aspect.
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But I don't I don't consider this some sort of racketeering censorship that Alex Jones
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presents it as.
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Now, that's a good question, though.
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Should certain platforms be publicly owned?
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Like, would it be a good idea if YouTube was publicly owned?
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I kind of think it would.
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I'm not sure.
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Right.
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I haven't I haven't sat around and thought about it enough to have an informed opinion
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on it.
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Yeah, me neither.
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I just thought of it right now.
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Let's get into it and solve it.
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I think it would probably create new and interesting problems.
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I don't know, I mean, because it's kind of like a it's kind of like a public space now.
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No, everybody puts their shit up there, but they don't have to like the reason you don't
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have to go outside either.
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Damn right.
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But the reason that electricity and telephones are like landlines and shit like that were
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deemed public utilities were because without if one company had monopoly over them, you
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wouldn't have electricity in your fucking house.
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It's different than, hey, if you don't use YouTube, you can't put your review of Black
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Panther up.
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That's not the same.
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Is it?
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Yes.
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Is it different, Dan?
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Yes.
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Are you sure?
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It's very different.
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How can you survive if somebody can't get a hold of you, just like with the long distance
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phone call?
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Yeah.
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But it's just emailing you there.
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Very different.
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Yeah.
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And if Alex Jones wants to say like, well, make it YouTube, like not letting us put stuff
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up, it would make it so we can't exist as a news operation.
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And my response, though, would be there's so many ways you can host video online.
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And if you have a website where you can embed those videos and you have a good reputation
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and people start to like what you're doing, it shouldn't matter if YouTube is on board
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with you.
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It doesn't.
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I mean, you're just kind of being petty.
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Yeah.
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But be that as it may.
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Well, I mean, that's another question, though, is because that's the second click through.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like, if you're on YouTube looking for Alex Jones videos, that's very different than if
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you're on YouTube and you see an Alex Jones video.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Yes.
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In terms of...
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That introduces the whole other problem of their suggestions and stuff like that, which
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much has been written about, especially over at BuzzFeed.
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There's some interesting articles you can read about the algorithms that are used to
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suggest videos and how they often end people, end up with people going down really fucked
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up roads that lead to lots of misinformation.
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And it seems to always be on the right.
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That's it.
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It seems to be on the conservative side.
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What if they just got rid of that?
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They could just do that, right?
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Mm hmm.
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But they wouldn't do that.
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Mm hmm.
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Of course not.
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It would reduce their traffic, their overall traffic, their click through rates and stuff
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like that.
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Yeah, you're right.
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Anyway, let's get to this next clip.
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God damn it.
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Alex Jones in this next clip is going to scream butt CNN and it's...
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Well, they pissed on his rug.
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I get it.
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This...
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Lebowski gets it.
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This borders on funny, but it's still not there.
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OK.
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What's so weird about every major CNN host?
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I don't know where they grow these people, but there's...
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I just get that sort of...
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I think it's a real laugh.
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You know when you're dating and somebody does something really disgusting and suddenly you
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can never see them sexually again?
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When you see someone on television and they just make you shudder and cringe and you get
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that sort of flash of disgust and fear and horror.
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Why doesn't Brian Stelter know when he...
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Oh, look at it.
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He releases these photos.
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Stop it.
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Take it away.
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There's a bunch of them.
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There's new ones.
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That photo that they have up on screen is a picture of him at an adult swim party.
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It's just clearly like a Getty Images.
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He didn't release it.
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I just...
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Anyway.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Hold it.
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Save it.
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Save it for the end of this.
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OK.
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I'm very angry.
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We got to go on the ride.
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OK.
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Type in Brian Stelter and hit Google Images.
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There's one where he doesn't...
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He doesn't...
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Type it.
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Do not type it.
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He looks like...
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Get the clown.
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I mean, he doesn't know.
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I am a full-born maniac and a dancing clown.
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And there's clowns in popcorn.
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Doing impressions.
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What is happening right now?
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Look at him.
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Look at his legs.
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You want a balloon?
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The thing is, he releases these photos himself.
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This is official photos.
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He looks like that on purpose.
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One thing that you should...
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Wow.
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There's more.
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But hold on.
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One thing you need to keep in mind, and this is the true comedy of this, is Steve Puchenik
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is on the phone.
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Wait.
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He's just there on the phone.
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That's fantastic.
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He'll show up at the end of this clip.
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Guys, guys, I can't see the picture.
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I can't join in.
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It's just funny to know that he's silently there this whole time.
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He's got a speakerphone in the background.
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Seriously, Dr. Puchenik, you're a psychiatrist.
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Getting a couple calls here.
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You know somebody when they've got that lunatic, whatever the face is.
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It's like a...
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I mean, if I saw somebody and they're like, I'd be like, just give me my firearm.
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I mean, you know, it's like...
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This is creepy as fuck.
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I don't like any of this.
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I don't like any of this.
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Stop it.
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Well, that's the face.
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That smile is...
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I'm not really showing you this, but that's what you are really doing.
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It sounds like Alex is tickling.
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Sorry.
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Alex is one of the three spookiest CNN hosts.
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Who's number one?
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The supporters on sexual harassment.
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Cooper.
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Three.
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Como, just because he's a knuckle dragging thug.
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I'd love to see you.
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Not a bad list.
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Not a bad list.
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Sorry.
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I'm going to go back to...
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I'm sorry, though.
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As a psychiatrist, that look on Stelter's face that he does everywhere says, I'm invincible.
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I'm in a lunatic power trip.
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Did Alex just say, ask a psychiatrist or as a psychiatrist?
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We have the...
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He's asking for...
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What's the rule that goes back to Goldwater?
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You're not supposed to diagnose somebody from afar, but looking at Stelter, what do you
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make of him and his behavior?
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He's not relevant.
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I mean, people who are dangerous...
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He's not relevant.
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He looks like a serial killer.
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You could put his face on a horror movie package.
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With all due respect, I've had a whole ward of serial killers.
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They're usually pretty quiet.
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Steve Pacittic here to wet blanket you.
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Steve Pacittic sucks, but at the same time, the way he's rude to Alex still always charms
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me.
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It's a tickle.
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Yeah.
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But unfortunately, it turns bad because here's what Steve Pacittic says next.
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I don't know, sometimes.
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The Stony Brook, the Sandy Hook and this Parkland, they're all false flags.
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And what you're looking at is the nonsense of the vestiges of the press trying to be
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relevant, as well as the FBI and a criminal.
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Yes, the FBI.
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How long does this ghost dance go on then?
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So Alex accepts his premise and then asks, how long does this ghost dance go on?
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So we're at this place where he went on Owen Schroyer's War Room show and did a half hour
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on how Parkland was fake and all this shit.
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It's unacceptable.
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And it's just this level of shit I don't want to deal with.
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I wish there was a sultry breeze that could just take me away, take me away to a better
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place.
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I wish there was a sultry breeze.
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What's this I hear?
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Is this the Twin Peaks theme song?
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What's this I hear in the distance?
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Are these the dulcet tones of a beautiful theme song?
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Oh, this is so soothing.
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This is not at all like the present day.
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Oh, God, a tree.
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Is this just...
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Did you just play this song?
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Are you just playing this by yourself?
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This isn't on the show.
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No, it's on the show.
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This is on the show.
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No, it's on our show.
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You're just letting it play.
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Oh, okay.
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You're just playing this.
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Trying to get us in a better head space.
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I've heard actually, I don't know if you know this, but I've read some studies recently
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that sometimes when you're really frustrated about a right wing propaganda...
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You're really going to let this happen, are you?
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This is still going on.
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When you're really frustrated about a right wing propagandist, sometimes if you put on
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a soothing enough song, it allows you to time travel.
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Oh, God.
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Damn it, Dan.
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Just mellow out a little bit.
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Don't you have one of those bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, like flashback
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songs?
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All right.
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So anyway, we find ourselves now time traveled back to 2006.
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Two things.
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Two points real quick.
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First off...
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Let me make a point real quick.
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You're a bit killer.
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I was trying to do a bit, and you fucking walked all over it.
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Look, bits are about timing, Dan.
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I think my timing was spectacular there.
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You dragged it out a little bit long.
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I'm sorry.
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We'll workshop it.
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We'll do it on the next time travel episode.
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From the top.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Why is it that these guys are always like, oh, liberals are such, they're all triggered
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and all this stuff, and the way they describe everybody's appearance is like, it makes me
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shudder and cringe.
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That's it?
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Yeah.
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All it takes is Brian Stelter to make you curl up into a ball like a little titty baby.
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That's what these people are.
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This sounds interesting, but since I am in 2006 right now, I have no idea who Brian Stelter
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is.
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He was just a twinkle in his father's eye.
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He was certainly not on CNN back then.
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There's a method to my madness.
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We're now in 2006.
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Don't make me.
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Aloha, baby.
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So we're now back in 2006 for a very specific reason.
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In 2006, for whatever reason, David Lynch went on Info Wars.
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That's why you played it.
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Very nice.
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Let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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I can't believe you didn't let that happen.
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David Lynch?
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What the fuck is your problem?
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What do you mean I didn't let that happen?
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That would have been so fucking smooth if he hadn't gone back to Brian Stelter.
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Okay, then let's edit this and we'll go.
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So in 2006, David Lynch was putting out Inland Empire, and he also had a book that he was
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putting out.
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I never will understand why anybody accepts an invitation from Alex to come on, because
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you kind of have to know that there's a reason.
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If you're going on and you're not one of the, like, the whack pack, you know, like the Steve
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Pochetics, the Matt Brackens, these type of guys, the Gerald Cilentes, the Lionels, like
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if you're not one of these guys and he's calling you, like, if you're David Rothschild and
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he's like, you want to come on?
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You got to know there's an agenda.
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And David Lynch doesn't, I don't think he realizes that there's an agenda to why Alex
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wants to have him on.
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Right.
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And you could never know what this agenda is.
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Now.
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It's surprising.
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There are people who come on and have their own agenda that take over, like Christopher
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Walken.
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Certainly.
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He wanted to tell him what they were cooking.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's interesting.
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And then he naps a lot.
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It's interesting that you bring that up, because generally, whenever Alex does something like
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this, you end up with the world's worst interview.
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Yes.
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He's a terrible interviewer.
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Well, because you have Alex who has his agenda that he's pushing for, and then this guest
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who has their agenda, and they're working across purposes.
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They can't ever get quite on the same page.
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And quite frankly, the guest is right.
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Yeah.
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Because there, we're clearly told beforehand, you can come on to promote your X, Y, or Z
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thing.
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Yeah.
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It's a promotion.
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Yes.
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That's what those interviews with those outlets are.
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Right.
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I'll accept some questions and what have you, but I'm here to talk about my book.
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David Rothschild even said as much, I'm here to talk about my book and the Live Earth concert.
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You get a couple of questions that are like, hey, what are you...
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And then your next question is, so you got a new movie coming out.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So let's see how this all goes.
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Here's the introduction.
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And I'll say this.
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I think Alex does actually seem like he's a fan.
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Okay.
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I think he is a Lynch fan.
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All right.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
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We got about 24 minutes left in this broadcast today, and I'm really honored to have an amazing
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director and writer on with us.
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I'm a fan of so many of his films.
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The Elephant Man, Eraserhead, the TV show, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway.
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It goes on and on.
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I even like Dune.
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What an epic film there.
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It's a great movie.
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I mean, it's a terrible movie, but I love it.
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And he is a prolific individual.
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He's got a new movie coming out.
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He was just screening it here in Austin.
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He has a signing at Barnes and Nobles today in North Austin.
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We'll tell you about that.
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We have links to it up on infoawars.com right now.
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And you know, he's also made headlines with some of his statements and politics lately.
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He is David Lynch and the new film coming out is Inland Empire.
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Mr. Lynch, it's a real honor to be able to speak with you.
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Good to talk to you, Alex.
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What the fuck?
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Yeah.
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It's time.
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He's listing credits.
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He likes Dune.
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I even like Dune.
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I even like Dune.
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Right.
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I mean, it does seem like, I mean, whenever he has someone on, generally.
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So wait a second.
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You're telling me that Lost Highway was about OJ?
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We're going to talk OJ?
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Hold on.
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Oh, yes.
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We're totally going to talk OJ, aren't we?
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Alex has some theories about Lost Highway he wants to run by Lynch, but that's in a
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little bit.
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All right.
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First.
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Now I'm excited.
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I didn't know we were just going to get to talk Lynch.
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No, before we get to that, Alex really wants to know what Inland Empire is about and David
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Lynch.
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Eventually Sandy Hook will happen and it will be a false flag and also win in Twin Peaks.
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I don't understand Twin Peaks.
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What was going on with Bob?
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What was going on?
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Who was Bob?
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What was, who?
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Wait, was that?
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What was up with that midget?
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Was that the same guy?
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So Alex really wants to know right off the bat what Inland Empire is about and David
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Lynch, I'm not surprised by this, isn't thrilled with that sort of question.
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So they kind of butt heads a tiny bit.
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Tell us about Inland Empire.
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I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet.
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Tell us about the film.
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Well all I say about it is it's a story of a woman in trouble.
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And I'm telling you it's like quite a few of your films.
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It's pretty complex.
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Well you know Alex, I love stories and particularly stories that are at one level concrete stories
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but that hold abstractions.
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And abstractions are things that cinema can say, things that are, you know, we experience
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in life, but cinema can say them.
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So it's an experience that may be difficult to put into words, but cinema can say it and
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people can still think it.
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And it's a beautiful language of film and so I would say Inland Empire holds some of
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this.
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I mean how would you describe it though if you could say there's a plot to this David
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Lynch film and it's getting obviously rave reviews.
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What Alex is saying there is my audience is stupid, please just fucking tell them it's
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about like a guy who wants to do a thing.
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Alright that's great, there's a lot of music and poetry to film and I understand where
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you're coming from.
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I too have abstract feelings inside my heart that I need to express at the same time I
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have to deal with reality and I think you mix the two together.
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But seriously, what the fuck is the movie about?
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You're getting into a little, your impression drifted to Ventura.
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I know, it didn't get better.
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From your New York Times, Austin American Statesman in front of me, I mean for those
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that, I mean to give them some handle, what's the basics with Inland Empire?
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You know Alex, bless your heart man, it's a story of a woman in trouble and that's it,
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you know.
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He's not going to get that plot synopsis.
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I think in that clip there we see the first indication of two men not seeing eye to eye
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on what conversation is because a decent interviewer would have heard that, Lynch's answer and
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maybe asked a question about film, you know, or would have like a follow up on that, that
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sort of thing.
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And Alex is like, please tell me the plot, it's not good.
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Give me a book report, please.
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There's nowhere to go from there.
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I'm not going to watch this movie.
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Your guest has already indicated, I'm not interested in telling the plot of this, you
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know, there's blah, blah, blah, and so like your next question is like, you're just going
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for another lap around the same thing.
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And then David Lynch explains like, you know, I like to go into a movie not knowing too
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much because then you enter a world and it opens in front of you, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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That sounds like a Lynchian thing to say.
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So then at this point, Alex pitches his theory about Lost Highway, which I'm intrigued that
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you called out.
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Now I've got to ask you this question and we'll get back into Inland Empire and some
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of the other things you're doing, your new book.
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But Lost Highway, I mean, I have my own interpretation of it.
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And you know, basically like an alternate reality or a total hallucination, somebody
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who's insane.
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I mean, any comments from the director on Lost Highway?
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Well you know, I've been saying looking back on Lost Highway, I wrote the screenplay with
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Barry Gifford.
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He and I wrote the screenplay together.
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And we never really talked about this, but it was at a time when the OJ Simpson trial
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was going on.
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And you know, similar things with the character Fred Madison.
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How a human being can do a thing that is so horrible and keep on living and smiling as
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OJ is playing golf.
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So there is a thing that we've discovered, a psychogenic fugue where the mind tricks
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itself to hide the horror of something done.
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That's what I thought.
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I was arguing with some of my staff last night and they were saying it was one thing and
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I was saying, no, it's two different personalities.
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That's not quite what you thought.
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No.
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In fact, that's the complete opposite of what he just tried to explain to you.
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Yeah.
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And Alex heard a psychogenic fugue and got the word wrong.
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It's going to lead to a very weird end to the sentence that he's embarked on here.
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Well it's, you know, you can, I won't say any more, but the thing is that more often
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than not, well in the long run, nothing stays hidden.
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So there you go.
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Well I'm having a psychogenic feud right now because I want to get you on about all these
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great subjects and I'm such a big fan.
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And I'm having a psychogenic feud right now.
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Top five answers on the board.
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I'm Mr. Lynch because I'm trying to control myself and be honorable.
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Okay.
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Well good for you, Alex.
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Fake laugh.
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Oh my God.
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Hiya.
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Hiya.
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Ugh.
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Okay.
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Tell us about the new books.
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That's, that's bad.
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Hiya.
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Hiya.
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Okay.
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I'm having a psychogenic feud because I want to be honorable.
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Good for you, Alex.
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Yeah.
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Tell me about your book.
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What is a psychogenic feud look like?
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It's him struggling right there when he's laughing and all that shit.
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It's the two parts of him that's like, I want, I love this guy because I think he is a fan.
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Yeah.
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I think it feels like he is a David Lynch fan, but at the same time, there's something
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he wants to ask him and he can't directly ask him.
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That's the feud that's inside Alex.
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Right.
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There's something that like, he's hoping he can just.
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Did you start the Iraq war?
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He wants to find the pivot point that'll get him to the topic that he wants the interview
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to be about.
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And so far it's kind of about creativity.
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For real, what is Dune about?
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So he's like, at this point, Alex sort of retreats.
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Is the spice a metaphor?
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That's probably a metaphor at this point, Alex retreats and is like, all right, you,
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you came on to talk about your book.
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Let's let me ask you about your book.
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Okay.
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Uh, tell us about the new book, sir.
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Well, the new book is called catching the big fish, meditation, consciousness, and creativity.
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And it's, um, a book, you know, about, you know, um, my 33 years of meditation and, um,
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and how it works with catching ideas.
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Because I say in there that, you know, ideas are like fish and we can, we can catch these
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ideas and if we can expand the container of consciousness, we can catch ideas on a deeper
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and deeper level.
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See if Alex has a good follow up for this creativity flowing by learning, are you a
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chimera and contacting that unbounded infinite ocean inside every human being and it feeds
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the creativity and it feeds the joy of doing things.
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Oh, I agree.
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In fact, you're a prolific guy.
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I mean, you're working hard.
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I mean, on this multifaceted tour right now, just shifting gears, talking about, you know,
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things in your subconscious, uh, in twin peaks, the owls, the owls are omens of evil.
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The owls, the owls in, in, in more Western or Greek mythology, it's wisdom, uh, or the
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guardian of the high places.
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But in native America, it's a harbinger of evil and destruction.
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Uh, why did you, uh, why are the owls these totems of wickedness in your twin peaks?
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Mostly that came from Mark Frost.
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So I don't even, I don't really, you know, um, no.
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Okay, great.
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All right.
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So that was a follow up.
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Was that like a stealth?
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You a native American?
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I don't know.
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Oh, or like, is this some sort of pagan shit?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's cause it's a non sequitur to him talking about his book, which spoiler alert, his book
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is just pimping transcendental meditation.
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And uh, I have some bad news about transcendental meditation.
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It works?
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It's a cult.
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No.
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Yes.
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Oh, it's a giant, giant, uh, I would say bordering on, I think it's like, wasn't the
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guy who, uh, popularized, uh, he was, he was definitely, uh, he was definitely arrested
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for rape charges, I believe.
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I don't know.
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I don't know about that.
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I don't know a whole lot about his personal history and I don't really, it's not great.
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I don't think it's, well, I mean, I'm sure it's terrible, but I don't think it's relevant
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to like the David Lynch appearance here, nor the, uh, the nature of transcendental meditation
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and the TM and what have you.
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I would describe it kind of as like it being on par with Scientology, just without the
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horror stories, uh, the public horror stories, without the history of blackmail and private
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investigators.
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It's, um, it's, it's, it's some really crazy stuff, uh, once you, once you start to look
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into it.
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I think it's a pretty, uh, generally evil thing that is couched.
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Well, Dan, actually, I, uh, blackmailed Mark Frost into...
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Putting owls in shit?
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... becoming a pagan ritual man.
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Um, I, I don't know, I don't know, I don't want to jump in half cocked on this, but like,
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uh, quite, quite frankly, uh, transcendental meditation, I, I believe from all the research
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that I've done into it and looking into it, I think what they do is they take something
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very positive, that is meditation, and they've made, um, a very dangerous cult around it.
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So you have the positive benefits that you, uh, you achieve through meditation and by,
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um, by gradual, uh, indoctrination, you associate them with this group, uh, and I don't know,
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I've read, uh, read a bunch of stuff about, about the practices that they have and it's,
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uh...
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Well, when you get into...
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... it's not good.
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... like when you get away from just, uh, you know, traditional meditation and start
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going into, like, uh, autobiography of a yogi and, uh, floating and beings of light and
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all of that shit and you're like, ah, okay.
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So from...
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Alright, guys.
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I'll just, I'll just go ahead and jump into the TM stuff, uh, might as well, we've already
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broached the subject.
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Trademark.
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Um, the basis of transcendental meditation and the sort of selling point of it, what
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David Lynch is going to get into a little bit here on this episode and everybody does
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who, who sells this, you know, people like Jim Carrey, you know, the list of celebrity
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practitioners of TM is like, it's a mile long.
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Gotta meditate.
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Um, and meditation is good, it's really good for you.
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It's very, it's very helpful, but, uh, they claim and the, the hook is that it's a relaxation
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based thing and like you and that's, you know, that's how you open the door, uh, but, uh,
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you have to, you have to get in and you have to pay for classes and generally speaking
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they're about a thousand dollars, uh, or more, uh, unless you get them, unless you get them
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through your school because a lot of schools have, uh, meditation programs that are done
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through transcendental meditation.
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I did not know that.
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When they do those, the students don't really have to pay for those, but of course not.
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Are my tax dollars going to subsidize transcendental meditation, Dan?
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I don't know.
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I imagine most of it's done in private schools because it is a little, I don't know.
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I haven't done it.
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It's a little hippy dippy.
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I haven't done enough research into that to like say where the schools are that are doing
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it, but I'm a little uncomfortable with it because of its branding.
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We're just teaching kids meditation.
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I'd be totally into that.
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I think that's a very, very positive thing.
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In the, in the school of transcendental meditation though, once you pay for these classes, you
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undergo a ritual, uh, that's not good.
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Called the pooja.
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I don't like rituals.
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At the end of which you're given a mantra, uh, that's supposed to be your personal mantra.
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Right.
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And the idea of it is sort of that if you tell anyone what your mantra is, then it stops
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working, which is a way that they, that way they can just give out the same mantra.
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Exactly.
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Whomever.
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God, these people are so stupid.
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Because of the nature of this pooja ceremony, uh, there is, they're trying to present this
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idea that they're creating a personalized mantra for you, but it's leaked since documents
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that show the, how they choose the mantras and it's based on your age.
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That's the only thing that it's based on.
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And so they get around that.
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They can't even do any cold reading?
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No.
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Like that's a little disappointing.
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Like even a good, uh, even a good, uh, con man along those lines can do some cold reading.
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Uh, I mean, I, I imagine there's a little bit of intuitive stuff, like seeing if you're
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falling for this and that sort of thing, the need to push harder or if you're going along.
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Um, people who have been to your mantra is Charles Manson.
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Charles Manson is your mantra.
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Well, here's the interesting thing.
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I want to, I, I, so, uh, the mantra thing is, uh, it's arbitrary, you know, it's just
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words.
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What is your mantra?
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Well, see, I, I, I actually have fooled around with this a little bit in the past and I can
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speak to, um, it's effectiveness, let's say.
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So I found a video, uh, years ago from a guy who used to be a teacher of transcendental
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meditation who had left the group and was sort of speaking out against, uh, the sort
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of more dangerous practices of how it is essentially like the, the pooja ritual that you go in
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is it's basically inducting a trance.
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It's putting you in a trance-like state, giving you this mantra, and then there's a bunch
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of followup shit.
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You have these like, uh, recessions that you have to go to.
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So they check if you're doing it right and those sorts of things.
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They hit your knee with the reflex hammer and do the whole thing.
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All those things are reinforcing of that trance state and teaching you to get into the trance
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state yourself.
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The mantra that they give you is super unimportant.
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It's just the act of repeating this thing.
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And so the guy was explaining, yeah, the guy was explaining that all you have to do is
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basically choose a slightly long thing, uh, that doesn't really have a necessary meaning
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to it.
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Cause it has words.
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If it's words that have too much of a meaning, your brain will like think about the meaning.
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And so I came up with something and I tried it.
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And like, if you, if you do put in like a good 20 minutes, half hour, a couple times
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doing that, like I did reach some sort of a state that I would describe as altered.
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Like it was, uh, like my body felt entirely different.
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My brain felt like I was going to a different place.
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It was incredibly powerful.
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Like I felt, it felt great.
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Uh, you know, especially devoid of the teachings of the transcendental meditation outside of
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their grasps or whatever.
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I think the, the method of inducing a trance in yourself is, is pretty effective from,
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from my admittedly limited exploration of it.
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But now if you were doing that, I fucked around with some, uh, Zen Buddhism in the past.
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The difference is like with Zen Buddhism, you just kind of get there and you shut the
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fuck up.
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Right.
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And you try and get your brain to shut the fuck up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's pretty much it.
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There's a hundred schools of meditation and none are better than any other.
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They're all just different routes to quietness or whatever.
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Um, but the state that I got in, I imagine achieving that state in the presence of people
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who are trained to induce that state.
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Uh, I think it would be an incredibly vulnerable thing and it scares the shit out of me.
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The idea that this millions of dollar organization that charges people tons of money and has
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a bunch of celebrities pimping it, um, is sort of based around that.
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Like the reports that I've read of these ceremonies are like, they're manipulative as fuck.
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Of course.
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Like the, the essential piece...
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Still selling a religion.
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The essential pieces of it are basically you undergoing like ritualized things where the
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instructor tells you to do things, which is tacitly you submitting to them.
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Then you get put into trance state.
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You're taught this mantra and then you're able to re, uh, uh, trance yourself.
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Yeah.
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And I don't think, I don't think...
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Is that any worse than a church giving you the Holy Ghost?
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You know?
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I don't think that usually...
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That's something of a, that's, they've studied that.
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That's something of a trance state.
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I don't think that's, not from my experience with churches.
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No, of course not.
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I think...
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But neither of us are church people.
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If you have those, those like really, uh, wildly evangelical churches with the like
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touching of hands and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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The Pentecostals and all those guys?
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Yeah.
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A lot of those do also, um, you know, through the like chanting and the jumping around,
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what they try and do is make you lose your breath a little bit.
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There are those, uh, that are the, are very similar, yes.
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But I, I, we're not talking about them today because they aren't the guest on Info Wars.
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Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
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Um, and so the issue, the issue that you come to is that like the deeper you get into it,
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the more that sort of gets revealed to you.
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The idea that it's a relaxation and clearing your head and creativity sort of fades away.
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And in the later stages, if you keep going, you end up learning all kinds of things about
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like spiritual purity, moral perfection, getting in touch with the cosmic consciousness.
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I don't like that part.
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And then eventually there are weekend retreats that, uh, explain like communing with the
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God consciousness.
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Oh, that's great.
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Personalized deities you can get in touch with.
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Just really fucked up considering they're charging tons of money for all of it.
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I don't, I don't like anything that's eventually like, oh man, you're going to reach the next
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level.
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Oh, if you, if you just, if you just give us more money, you're going to get to reach
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the next level.
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Speaking of which you can become a policy wonk, uh, time travel level and you can, yeah.
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So I think, I think, I think that you can use, uh, the techniques of the, the transcendental
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meditation teaches to, as a conduit to good meditation.
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I sincerely think that's the case.
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But, uh, I think outside of the church, cause it is, it is, um, I think that, that you can
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do that, but, uh, I have, I have some very serious misgivings about, um, uh, transcendental
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meditation as an organization.
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And then further, I think that, uh, you have to be very careful with this sort of method
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of inducing a transfer meditation because there is a slight dissociation that comes
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along with it.
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And again, I can speak to that in terms of the, um, the experience that I had when I
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was using these techniques.
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There was a sense of detachment from my body and detachment from my brain.
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Um, yeah, you had to go to rehab to get off those techniques.
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It wasn't, it wasn't that full, but I do worry, like there are tons and tons of stories of
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people who have had psychotic breaks and stuff like that from using these techniques because
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of the implicit dissociation.
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It can reinforce, uh, dangerous ideas that you may have about like things not being real,
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uh, and that sort of thing.
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There's hundreds of stories you can find about, uh, people who had to go, basically did have
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to go to rehab or were hospitalized, meditated too hard.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Using the, cause again, it's just not know you could do that.
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It's dissociation and trance stuff, which can exacerbate underlying conditions that
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you may have.
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It's not something that should be, uh, undertaken, uh, lightly.
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And I don't, I don't know that from what I can find, I don't think that the Transcendental
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Meditation Organization is, um, careful enough with, uh, with power of the techniques they
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use.
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Did not realize that.
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Yeah.
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There's a, there's a check with your doctor before you meditate to see if you're healthy
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enough for a active sex life.
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I think no matter what, I think everyone's meditation lasts longer than four hours, then
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that's pretty long.
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That's tantric at that point.
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It's too much.
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Even though, like, uh, if you're just doing like mindfulness meditation or something like
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that, real basic stuff, you're, you're in the clear.
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I think you're fine.
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Uh, but other, other techniques, once you get into the God consciousness, then you're
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fucked.
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Right.
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It can be, uh, it can be a little, it can be a little much.
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Um, and again, it's, it, I think, I think it would be the same thing with, you know,
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if you look at almost any cultures, yogic practices, you know, I think you do end up
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with, you know, the whirling dervishes and shit, they do dissociate to a certain extent
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by spinning.
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Right.
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A lot of cultures have, um, that the idea of the communion with God and implicit within
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it is dissociation from yourself.
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And that's not always, I don't know, I'm walking a fine line here.
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Well, I mean, let's, the, the, the real bottom of it is ultimately consciousness sucks and
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you want to try and take a break from it.
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Some people do drugs, some people meditate, some people do the church thing.
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Everybody realizes implicitly at the very, uh, like base level, being aware sucks.
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Like don't you wish you were unaware?
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Don't you wish you weren't?
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I think, I think, you know, I think just a bundle of instincts and love you're using.
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I think aware is the wrong word.
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I think self-aware.
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I think it's more, are you tired of being yourself or do you want a little break from
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normal?
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Whatever.
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Right.
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So anyway, I just think it's interesting, um, that like often Alex Jones is our villain.
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And to me, I think David Lynch is a little bit more of a villain because he has the David
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Lynch foundation through transcendental meditation.
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And he's selling a book.
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I thought it was because he casted Kyle McLaughlin as Paul Atreides and that should never have
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happened.
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Look, it's, I don't, I look, I don't want to get into casting decisions.
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All I'm saying is Patrick Stewart wasn't the right casting choice there either.
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I love very frustrating.
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I love Sherilyn Finn.
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Uh, she was pretty great, but he's, he's on here to pimp this book, catching the big fish.
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And that's just a book that is extolling the virtues of transcendental meditation that
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automatically is, I mean, any of these books that are about transcendental meditation,
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don't tell you the techniques or anything like that because you have to go to the classes,
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right?
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That's part of it.
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You have to pay for it for free.
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Of course not.
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Lynch had to pay for it.
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Then you lose a thousand dollars.
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Yeah, exactly.
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The people who are the teachers, they have to sign an oath that includes the following
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passage.
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I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training, I had no prior knowledge of such
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a system of teaching that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such
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teaching may be obtained, that such training is secret and unique.
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I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded and that to retain the
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purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that should I ever
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cease to teach at and then fill in the blank organization or any other organization founded
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by you for the purpose of teaching transcendental meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate
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process from using the secret teaching of transcendental meditation imparted to me.
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Appropriate process.
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That's probably the law.
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I mean, the way I read that is that's an implied gag order.
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You can't copyright transcendental meditation, can you?
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The techniques, I think that's what that passage from the oath.
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You can patent the techniques, that doesn't make sense either.
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The oath is essentially a contract where you're like, I respect that this is secret and unique
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and if I ever leave, I wouldn't tell these secrets to people.
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Yeah, but it's like the iTunes terms and conditions.
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You just agree to it and then you move on.
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I think it's like a differently worded non-disclosure agreement.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I think that a lot of people maybe have held to it.
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But at this point now in 2018, plenty of people have come out and explained exactly what is
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going on.
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But David Lynch's book, The Catching of Big Fish is not going to be like, here's the techniques
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you can use.
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At the end of it, it's going to be check out the Transcendental Meditation Workshop near
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you.
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Of course.
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Or whatever.
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Yeah.
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It's a big ad.
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Right.
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And so is his appearance here on Info Wars.
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Alex is like, you think I spent $100,000 getting David Lynch on here?
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So we now kind of have established what David Lynch's goal is.
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He wants to talk about this.
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He wants to talk about his book that is selling Transcendental Meditation.
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But Alex still has a different goal that we haven't established yet, that he has been
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butting his head up against the wall with stupid questions that have nothing to do with
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what David Lynch just said.
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And I don't know, I don't think he gets to the point in this next clip, but let's see.
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Evil is a strange thing to think about.
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There's plenty of it, especially just on the surface of our world.
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And it all, you know, is in a ball with negativity.
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And negativity is like a dark black cloud.
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All this stuff is fine.
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Don't be negative.
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It's all vague enough to be...
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We all got a bunch of negativity and stresses and all kinds of things floating in us.
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And we got it a big cloud of it on the world.
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I don't like things floating in me.
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And if you want to blow that negativity away, all you have to do is learn to dive within
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and ramp up that light of unity inside everyone.
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You grow that light up.
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And the side effect of that is negativity starts to recede.
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The key to enlightenment, the full potential of the human being is there.
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And the key to peace on earth is there.
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It's very, very beautiful.
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Mr. Lynch, we're speaking with legendary director and writer David Lynch, earlier you talked
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about how in Lost Highway, you were kind of paralleling in a way OJ and how you live a
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normal life and then be involved in other things that aren't so positive.
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Any of your latest films or works?
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Is there any archetypal images that in your mind are representing things happening in
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the world with the war in Iraq or politics or the Patriot Act?
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No.
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Just direct no.
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So again, Lynch is going off on this like, you know.
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You can see the oceans through your stars, whatever.
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Right.
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But again, the language that he's using is specifically like advocating the benefits
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of transcendental meditation will be able to bring the world peace on earth.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No big deal.
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If you don't transcendentally meditate, all I'm saying is that you're the reason wars
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happen.
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Exactly.
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No big deal.
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So instead of asking a follow-up question to that, because I think Alex realizes like,
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I don't know, this is a little weird.
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He instead goes to the...
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It seemed like he was really close to being like, stop talking about this homo shit.
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Well, so at this point, Alex is like, I'm going to just fucking come out with it and
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ask you the question I want to fucking ask you.
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Right.
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Tell me about the war.
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He's like dipping his toe in.
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Right.
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Just, can you bring this up?
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Maybe it's in your films, maybe it's in your book.
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Come on, let's mix it up on the Iraq war.
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Well, you'll see on the other side of this clip that like David Lynch knows what Alex
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wants to ask him.
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He's David Lynch.
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Alex keeps being like, I want you to bring this up.
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I don't want to be an asshole.
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Right.
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You bring this up.
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But sooner or later, I'm going to be an asshole, David.
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And here's where.
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No.
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Um, you know, they say that, uh, all, all kinds of art reflects our world.
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And I think that ideas come out of, um, you know, our, our feeling the world and, and,
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you know, hearing and seeing things, but the ideas themselves that I get are separate message.
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They're not made to, you know, do anything.
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It's just ideas that you get, you fall in love with them and you see the way cinema,
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for instance, could translate those ideas.
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So here, David Lynch has explained creativity to Alex and the creative process fairly good
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job so far.
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Now let's see what happens.
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And then you're rolling and a whole thing comes out and only later as more and more
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of it comes out, do you see a theme or do you see a thing, you know, like that, but
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you don't set out to tell a message.
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I understand.
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No, you don't, my listenership will crucify me if I don't at least mention the Dutch TV
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interview, uh, that you did and, and you commented on, uh, the film loose change.
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Oh boy.
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Now we're getting into it.
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Yeah.
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Why was it?
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Wait, he commented on the film loose change.
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Yeah.
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You want on Dutch.
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Also, it's not a film.
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You went on Dutch television and the interviewer asked him about, uh, loose change.
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Why did that happen?
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I don't know.
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I, it's very weird, but he, he, uh, he's sitting there and he's like, yeah, I have a, I have
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a lot of questions about nine 11 and so he, oh, okay.
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He talks about on the, in this Dutch.
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So we're doing nine 11 trutherism well, not really.
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Alex is David Lynch is just confused.
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So on, on, in the, where is New York?
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He doesn't say anything in the clip I watched of this interview.
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He doesn't say anything negative about, uh, loose change.
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He doesn't say anything.
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Um, that's to say like they're right about their conclusions, right?
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Just that these sorts of questions, uh, make you look at what you think you experienced
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in a different way.
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And I have questions that I don't, I don't understand.
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Like the Pentagon, the hole in the building is too small for a plane.
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I don't understand what happened there.
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These questions haven't been answered.
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Um, and then the, the host is like, uh, what about the ideas that, uh, the government did
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this?
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And he's like, those sorts of ideas are too big for people to think about.
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Like your brain can't handle those sorts of ideas.
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Right.
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The ram, he's, he's implying like the ramifications.
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But Kyle McLaughlin turning into bill Pullman, that's easy, that's easy.
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So Alex wants the whole thing is like, I want to talk nine 11 with you, bro.
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That's, that's all he wanted to get to.
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You know what?
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I want to go back and think about it.
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I don't think, I don't think Alex gave him the Mulholland drive credit.
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No, I don't think he did.
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Alex doesn't like Mulholland drive.
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That's what you took away.
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This is the only thing that I can think about now.
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He also didn't reference fire walk with me.
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Well, yeah, but nobody needs to do that.
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Um, so anyway, this leads to the two of them talking about nine 11 a little bit.
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Okay.
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And you commented on, uh, the film loose change, second edition and, and, and, and what happened
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with the towers and just said, people can't deal, uh, with that.
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Uh, why, why did you even bring that up or did you know they were going to bring that
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up?
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Um, you know, I knew they were going to bring it up and, um, so, you know, you saw what
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I said.
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Um, you know, we're, we're all, you know, like detectives, human beings are like detectives.
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Like we, or like, see now even from context clues, I can't figure out if he was saying
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the light detectives or we are similar to detectives.
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I have no idea.
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It's it's within character to say either immediately after transcendental meditation, meditation
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talk.
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Sure.
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We're all like, we're all like detectives.
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He's going to talk about light and darkness and about how like the answer to darkness
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is adding more light.
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So I do think he might be saying we're light detectives.
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Possible.
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I have no idea.
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We look at our world and we keep looking at it and, and, and we get these feelings that
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there's more going on than meets the eye.
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And you know, this is a, it's a world of clues, a world of mystery, but the mystery can get,
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you know, can get solved and you know, but you can find these answers for, you know,
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a lot of these things within, as far as 9 11 goes, what there's, you know, find it within
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there's things that, you know, we, we saw that conjure questions and wondering and something
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it doesn't seem quite right.
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So it makes us wonder.
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And the next step is we need answers.
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We need answers.
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That's all.
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Well, I certainly agree with you, you know, two months before 9 11, I'll send you a video
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clip of it.
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We ought to go post it on your website.
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We should talk about your website.
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You've got a lot of.
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Here he's just trying to brag that he predicted 9 11 perspectives on 9 11 that you're allowing
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folks to submit and post there.
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We've got a link to your site up on info.
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Keep in mind, this is 2006 and we'll give out that web address before you leave us in
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any other sites that you think are important, Mr. Lynch, but, but you know, the, the establishment
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told us or an arm of it, that this is a foundational event.
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And now we've got Newt Gingrich talking about open martial law and the end of free speech
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in America.
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So it's literally survival of my, which I will support in 12 years to expose this.
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And I did kind of support Newt Gingrich in 12 years, talk about what was going to happen
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two months before it took place because I saw preparatory actions in the media.
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And so that's why I am compelled to, to do what I do exposing what happened on that data.
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When you say you have questions, what are a few of the questions that you have concerning
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9 11?
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I have the same questions that were brought up and all the things you mentioned, and I
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just don't have the answers.
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So David Lynch, that's a very good answer.
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Yeah.
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David Lynch's position about this 9 11 trutherism is they're like, yeah, there's a lot of really
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weird stuff, but the explanations given, I mean, I think this is what he's saying because
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in the, in loose change and in any of these 9 11 documentaries that you're going to watch
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documentaries and quotes, what you're going to find is you're going to find answers.
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You know what I mean?
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Like they provide an answer.
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And if you, if you are David Lynch and you have watched these films and you're coming
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away from it saying like, I got, I got questions about a lot of this stuff and you don't have
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answers.
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That means you're rejecting the answers that are given in the documentary.
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That's a good point.
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So there's an implied piece of it that he's like, this is unsatisfactory as an explanation
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for it.
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But I still am not.
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I don't like what he said.
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I don't like what you said.
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Right.
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I don't fucking know.
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And so why isn't anybody just telling me?
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And I, you know what?
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I think that especially as we are people who do a podcast about a propagandist conspiracy
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theorist, I think that there is a pressure to have an answer.
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And I appreciate David Lynch coming on here and being like, I don't have the answers cause
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I don't either.
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I don't think where do you fall on 9 11?
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I don't think we need to have an answer to that question.
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I have no idea.
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I have no idea.
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There's a lot of weird stuff, a lot of weird things.
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I'm like David Lynch.
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I don't have questions.
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I don't have answers.
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Don't fucking ask me that question.
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How dare you?
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I know that, I know that Loose Change is a shit documentary though.
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Right.
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I know I got that answer.
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Right.
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That's a good one.
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That's a good answer.
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Um, check out their bibliography.
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I don't know actually, cause it wasn't Alex Jones.
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It's all just Ask Jeeves links.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones didn't make that.
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He just produced it.
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So they might actually have a article or who cares?
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Anyway, the idea that Lynch is saying I have questions, not answers leads into this, which
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I think is fanciful bullshit.
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In the Dutch piece, you mentioned how the towers fell at the speed of, one of them fell
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at the speed of gravity, which every engineer that's looked at it says is impossible unless
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there were controlled demolitions.
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I understand Alex.
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You know, um, uh, there's, there's, um, there's questions arising from each of the events
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that day.
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And, um, I don't have the answers.
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I just have the, the, you know, um, is it your instinct?
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It's no instinct means that I'm hungry.
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I want to eat.
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I think that's intuition is the thing.
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Ah, yeah.
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Intuition is higher than intellect.
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It's emotion.
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Yes.
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Intuition.
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I appreciate what you're saying.
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When you learn to dive within, which is so beautiful, an experience, a human, human experience,
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then you understand nine 11, the ocean of knowingness, pure, vibrant consciousness,
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knowing this intuition grows.
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Intuition is like a, it's an ocean of solutions and you get that knowing this going, you know,
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it's going to be, you know, all artistic processes and all creative processes.
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Nothing we do as man, it doesn't, you know, start with, uh, it starts with an idea, catching
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those ideas and seeing a way of knowing a way to translate that, to make something and
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make it feel correct based on the idea.
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And you know, it just goes like that.
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At this point.
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I think what he's essentially pushing is nine 11 is solvable through transcendental meditation.
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I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying.
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Let's finish this clip, but I think I 99% sure that's what he's telling.
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So he's saying that if that's a weird thing for him to say, that's a weird claim for him
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to make considering he doesn't have any answers.
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Well, your answers can only be found within.
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Yeah, but he's obviously transcendentally meditating all the time.
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He's, he's shilling for it.
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So he should know what happened on nine 11, but he hasn't, he hasn't reached complete
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enlightenment yet.
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You understand?
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That's where the nine 11 questions are.
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That's where the answers are.
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That's our religion.
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Our religion is once you get to a certain level, we tell you about nine 11.
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There's a, yeah, if you donate a hundred bucks a month, we'll tell you no, no, but I, I,
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you can't wait to hear the audio drop for that one.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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I think that there is a piece of this that is self contradictory that you just brought
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up, which is that idea that like the answers are within.
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I am one of the world's most leading transcendental meditators and I'm telling you, I don't have
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answers, which leads me to believe just using a, a then B, B then C, A then C sort of argument.
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You don't, the answers aren't within.
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I think that's what I'm going to take away from that.
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They're within Saudi Arabia.
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All right.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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23 pages redacted.
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So there's an intuition going when we see things.
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Well, also we know that, that, that only two or 3% of our intellect is focused in the cerebral
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cortex.
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So the more powerful centers of the brain really already know the answer, but like you
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said in that Dutch interview, people can't handle what their intellect deep down is telling
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them at the conscious level.
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Yeah.
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Well there's, there's, um, what, what did you just say in the beginning?
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Well, I was just saying that the cerebral cortex, let me just tell you one thing about
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that, that, that brain of ours.
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They say we only use five or 10% of it.
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Nobody says that.
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Now with brain research, they can show you that when you transcend, when you really experience
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the deepest level of life, the full brain is engaged.
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And it's the only experience that, that, that brings the whole brain into, you know, oh,
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this is amazing.
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I totally agree with you.
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I call it super brainstorming, do it every day and it's, it's thinking, you know, doesn't
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do it.
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So there, tell us more about it in the final segment.
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Quick break.
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So Alex thinks that super brainstorming is what he's talking about, but because David
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Lynch hasn't used like specific language that's really going to set off the buzzers in Alex
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Jones's head, um, he's allowing David, like what he said there, like transcending allows
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you to use all of your brain.
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These are just TM talking points.
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These are TM talking points.
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Scarlett Johansson was great in that.
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He's trying to indoctrinate Alex's audience.
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He's trying to use this appearance, but that's, he's seducing them away from Christ.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah.
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That's what David Lynch is.
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That's why David Lynch went on Info Wars.
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In fairness, that's not off brand for him.
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He kind of does that in almost every interview.
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No, I'm, I'm for it.
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So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not for the transcendental meditation part.
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No, but seducing Alex's audience.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Every one of them.
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So anyway, they, they, they end this here with Alex being like, oh yeah, I do that all
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the time.
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And I'm like, man, you're thinking, that's not what I'm talking about.
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And so Alex is like on the other side of this break.
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Alex, I don't think you've understood a word I've said this entire interview.
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You haven't been listening.
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Yeah.
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Um, so, uh, they come back from break and then at this point, like it just sort of turns
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into a sales pitch for transcendental meditation.
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Oh boy.
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David Lynch.
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Are we going to, are we going to a fucking ad pivot?
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For a Lynchian ad pivot?
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Yeah, we're going to a Lynchian ad pivot.
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Again, our guest, sir, finishing up with what you were saying about using more of...
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20% off specials.
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You know, turning, I guess your intellect on or your soul on, I mean, describe exactly
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what you're getting at.
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Well, you know, Alex, it's, it's, um, something we just don't hear so much about in the West.
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There's so much misunderstanding about meditation.
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There's so many different kinds of meditation, but there truly is a within.
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And if you think about it, so many sentences we've heard have the word within, within,
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within, within the sense, first seek the kingdom of heaven, which lies within and all else
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will be added unto you.
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So the sleeper must awaken the sleep and awaken it by experiencing that deepest level within.
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We were talking during the break and I was saying nine 11, I think is the key to exposing
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this whole agenda.
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And you're saying that's the surface.
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I guess we've got to change our problems on the surface.
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We're talking about nine 11, Alex, you're not going to get it.
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You just want him to say that nine 11 was an inside job.
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That's all he wants.
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Know thyself.
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What a star fucker and watch things get better.
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Well, people should get conscious.
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They should be exposed.
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Sure.
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Believe me.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Um, so yeah, that's all, that's all Alex wants.
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I still want the Christopher Walken interview to re happen and for him to just randomly
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be like, we cooked, I love this salad.
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Nine 11 was an inside job and these tomatoes that he made fucking incredible.
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I think salt pepper on them.
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He really got some butter in there.
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He kind of baked it a little bit.
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Nine 11 was an inside job.
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I made the chicken.
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We also had steak because we're, Hey, we're very rich actors.
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I think Walken's crazy like a Fox enough to not do that.
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Like he would probably, I imagine he would be in the middle of talking about that salad
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they were making.
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Alex asked about nine 11 and then he'd say something crazy and walk away just knowing
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that if I'm off camera, he won't know that I'm not here to do the little stairwalk move
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or he just gets a weapon of choice video.
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He just starts dancing around like, Hey, that guy's crazy.
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Oh, I didn't want to talk to him about that.
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But David Lynch, like to his credit, I think he's, he knows that like, I'm not going to
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talk nine 11 with you.
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I'm going to use your questions and your repeated badgering as a way for me to sell transcendental
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meditation more as a way to like, Hey, nine 11 is just one of the problems on this physical
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realm surface.
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When in reality, all religions have been talking about the within that only we can really give
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you access to, which is why I worship volcanoes.
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Exactly.
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It's where the within comes without.
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So here's the last clip that takes us out of the interview.
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And again, it's just more, it's more Lynch shilling for TM.
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Well, I would say that not just getting to a higher level, the general public's almost
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mesmerized by the culture and not even awake at a, at a basic level.
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But but but then why did you go public in question powerfully?
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And I commend you for that.
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I don't think he questioned powerfully.
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He did not really do that.
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We were talking during the break and we were saying more people need to go public.
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Why did you go public then?
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Because, you know, all they ask me questions, you know, is, is when you see that, does it
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make you wonder about things?
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Does it seem, why did you tell the Dutch and why won't you tell me?
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It just makes me nicer.
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I see things that don't add up.
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Well, you mentioned some key points.
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You mentioned some key points.
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Also, the Dutch weren't the producers of the film in question, but you had the courage
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to speak out.
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What about Bush?
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Bush had 44000 U.S. troops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan having a launch order to attack
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Afghanistan on his desk two days before.
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That was in Newsweek.
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I mean, how obvious does it have to get?
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So obvious.
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Here's the deal.
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There's so many problems in our world.
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So much negativity.
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Don't worry about the darkness.
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Turn on the light.
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Darkness automatically goes ramp up the light of unity within.
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Help do that for yourself.
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So should the bombers have turned on the light?
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I feel like they were even more creative, though.
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Oh, dude, like on one of the...
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Or if it was an inside job, it takes a lot of creativity.
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I bet those guys were meditating.
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One of the selling points on Transcendental Meditation's website in terms of their outreach
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into foreign other countries and institutions and stuff like that is a dramatically decreased
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incidence of terrorism among people who meditate.
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Sure.
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Of course.
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That's part of the selling point.
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I don't know.
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It's hard to tell.
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So on their website, it's like, hey, if you're thinking about becoming a terrorist, and I'm
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talking to you, ISIS, maybe try Transcendental Meditation.
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It'll give you a mantra, and that mantra will be not going to blow anything up.
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It's not going to blow anything up.
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With the studies about Transcendental Meditation, it's really difficult to tell how much of
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it should be trusted.
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And quite frankly, I don't have the kind of time to go pore over all the details of it
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for this one episode.
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Right.
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I've been watching 9-11.
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Exactly.
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Come on now.
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Because a lot of the research has been done by proponents of Transcendental Meditation.
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And so it looks like their methodology is good, but it's really tough to say.
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They may have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
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Right.
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I mean, statistical studies generally are not accepted unless done through independent
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organizations.
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Right.
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I would prefer some peer review.
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And I think some of these might be.
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I don't know.
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I don't know enough to say.
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So I'm going to punt on the studies about Transcendental Meditation.
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But if it is just claims that are being made about relaxation, increased happiness, you
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can get that with all sorts of meditation.
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Right.
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Anyway, it's tough to take the practice and the organization and deal with them separately.
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Because I think the practice does have benefits, but the organization is a manipulative, squirrely
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cult.
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It's a religion.
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No, it's a cult.
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Eh.
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It's a cult.
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It's a cult.
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That's fair enough.
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And then we're really doing something.
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Well, it does start at home.
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Something that brings that light of unity.
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All diversity is appreciated in the light of unity.
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It will be so beautiful, so easy.
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Remember, that's where all the power is that created the universe.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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And it runs it, maintains it without a problem.
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Well, I agree with you that charity starts at home.
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We have to start changing ourselves one person at a time.
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That's exactly what he said, Alex.
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You nailed it.
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Charity starts at home.
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And I guess that's what the name of the Big Fish covers.
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Exactly right, Alex.
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And you're going to be in a book signing tonight at, I guess, the Galleria area up in North
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Austin at Barnes and Nobles.
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Just an amazing interview.
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Keeps saying Barnes and Nobles.
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And I appreciate your courage.
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I thought it was a re-speaking at first.
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What did you think about Charlie Sheen and others speaking up on 9-11?
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You know, if people, if people, you know, have questions, they have the right in this
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country, by golly, to, you know, raise the questions.
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Absolutely.
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So you support them raising questions?
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Yes, sir.
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You know, I support enlivening unity.
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Bring out the full potential of the human being by doing that.
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Everyone has that, you know, ability and let's start working on real peace, dynamic peace
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for the world.
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Yes, sir.
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If you have problems, you know, mostly ridiculous absurdities will vanish.
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So they're symptoms of the disease.
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Thank you.
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David Lynch.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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God bless.
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So, you know, we, again, you have the parting shot with him trying one more time.
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Charlie Sheen talked about it.
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You think that's cool?
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Hey, come on.
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Come on.
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So you have, like, this is a classic Alex Jones interview with someone he admires their
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work.
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Yeah.
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And you talk to them.
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Star fucker.
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But he has a goal.
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The other person has a goal.
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And it's a terrible interview.
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It's not even a conversation.
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They're just talking at each other.
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Of course.
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And David Lynch is at least trying to engage with the things Alex says and weave them into
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what he wants to talk about, whereas Alex just keeps asking non sequiturs.
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Now, I think it's disgraceful that Alex Jones, even if, like, if I put myself in the head
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of someone who believes in Alex Jones's world, I think it's disgraceful that he had David
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Lynch on, because David Lynch is a big, big part of the Transcendental Meditation movement.
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Right.
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Now, who is Alex Jones's big enemy?
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The globalists.
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Mm-hmm.
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Liberals.
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Well, what are the globalists working towards?
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Boy, you know, at this point, I really don't know.
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Like everything bad?
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Well, what's his big fear?
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Uh, mind control?
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World government.
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Oh, Transcendental Meditation is about world government?
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In 1976, the followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started the World Government of the Age
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of Enlightenment to spread the teachings of Transcendental Meditation globally.
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Well there you go.
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In 2001, they established the Global Country of World Peace.
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Quote.
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It's not a good name for a country.
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Quote.
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The Global Country of World Peace was founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as a consortium of
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educational organizations in more than 100 countries working to create a new era of peace,
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progress, and prosperity in our world family.
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The Global Country of World Peace is a, quote, nation without borders, promoting unity consciousness
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and the reduction of narrow nationalism that divides humanity from humanity.
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It's time for peace-loving people everywhere.
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It's a home for peace-loving people everywhere.
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Sounds like an attack on sovereignty, Dan.
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Alex Jones also has some ideas about, you know, believing in deflating the currency
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and what have you.
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The Global Country for World Peace has their own currency called the ROM.
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Really?
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Yeah, one ROM is equivalent to ten dollars.
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Who prints it?
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Who backs it?
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Where can you use it?
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I don't know.
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I have no idea.
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This is why we should never have left the gold standard, Dan.
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So the ROM was just Bitcoin before Bitcoin.
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For a long time, these, the Global Country of World Peace folks, which is an organization
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within the Transcendental movement.
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Yogi's without borders, I believe.
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Yeah.
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Medicine, friends.
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Yeah.
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This is part of the larger organization that all sprung forth out of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
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For a long time, they've been trying to start their own country.
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Okay.
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Where?
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From a 2001 article in The Independent, quote, disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Beatles
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giggling guru who highlighted Transcendental meditation in the 1960s, want to found a sovereign
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nation in South America.
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They've offered the government of Suriname 1.3 billion dollars over three years to lease
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3,500 acres for a rural utopia 20 miles northeast of the capital, Para Maribo.
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The proposed, quote, global country of world peace would mint its own currency, maintain
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a central bank, and have its own legal jurisdiction.
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They have enough money to spend 1.5 billion dollars over three years?
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They have a lot of money.
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That's a lot of money.
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Think about all the fucking celebrities that are big proponents of them.
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Yeah, but that's a lot of money.
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If you look at the list of the celebrities who are a part of the organization, it is
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so many more than Scientology.
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People just don't talk about it because it's not as scary and they don't have all that
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gay blackmail.
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Right.
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You don't have, and you don't have, like Tom Cruise, John Travolta are massive stars.
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Right.
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Jim Carrey's a big star, but he's probably one of the most famous vocal proponents of
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TM.
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But he's not nearly on the level of Tom Cruise, and so that kind of helps Scientology.
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They got a bigger guy.
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But so they've been trying to start their own country.
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How's it been going?
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So they tried that in Suriname.
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They also tried to start a country in Costa Rica.
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And I quote.
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Can you just, like, wait, you can't lease, you can't lease land and then say you're your
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own country, right?
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I don't know.
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Why not?
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That's a good point.
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I've never tried it.
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In mid-June of this year, this is from 2002, some Costa Ricans were contacted by delegates
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of the religious organization Global Country of World Peace.
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From then on, the indigenous sector of the Central American country was immersed in confrontations
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that almost reached communal divisions and physical fights.
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It happened that the global country is an organization born in India, but with Dutch
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legalization.
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Supposedly...
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And we know they don't believe in 9-11 now.
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Supposedly, its main objective is to reach a single world country without borders, with
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a single currency, a single thought, and a single ruler, King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
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That is not a thing I want.
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No.
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No.
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The sect even...
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We were doing great.
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I was like, Global Country of World Peace, you guys have a good old time.
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I don't like having a king.
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The sect even came to Costa Rica to appoint a king, to administer the...
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You can't just appoint a king.
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In the region of Costa Rica.
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On the margin and ignoring the Costa Rican state, it imposed for the zone the currency
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ROM, equivalent to them, equivalent according to them, to $10 on the unit.
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The indigenous leader...
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Don't think that's how currency works.
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The indigenous leader, Leisandra Mendez, under the charge of King of Rica, Shanti Rastra,
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as in Costa Rica he was baptized, received from the Central Bank of Netherlands the sum
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of $4 million, so that he begins to administer this new state.
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Or 8 ROM.
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Some of his ministers receive a salary of $1,000 per month.
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This situation...
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I think there's some translation issues here, because it says, the situation filled the
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patients...
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I imagine it means tried the patients or whatever, exhausted the patients of the other indigenous
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peoples in the area and their organizations, since it was a disrespect for indigenous ancestral
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customs and an ignorance of the country's reality.
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The communities almost confronted each other, some in favor and others against the sect.
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The cause was knowing that the global country was trying to acquire 7,000 hectares to plant
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organic bananas to be sold in the United States, in addition to 7,000 hectares to establish
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the capital of the global country.
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All this in indigenous territory.
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Finally...
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They've learned something from the white man.
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From colonialism.
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Yeah.
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Finally...
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Great.
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Thanks, guys.
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You took the right thing from us.
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Finally, the Costa Rican president invited the members of the sect to leave the country
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in the shortest time possible, safeguarding the unity and integrity of the country.
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Hey, guys.
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You can't have your own country.
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Go away.
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So let's just look at these little things that I've brought up here at the end of this
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episode.
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This global country for world peace, which is a part of the Transcendental Organization...
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Was going great.
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I was fine with it till they had a king out of that crazy guy.
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Again, you know what?
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I want to say that there's a possibility that there's something lost in translation there,
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too.
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Like the single ruler being King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
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That might be...
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No, that sounds pretty translated correctly.
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It's possible, but it might also be a thing where like the single thought ruler or ideological
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ruler...
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President for life, or...
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Which isn't good, but it might not...
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Ayatollah.
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Right.
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I think he was also dead by 2002.
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But be that as it may, like what you have here is a rank history here in Costa Rica
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and in Suriname of them trying to buy land to impugn the territorial sovereignty of these
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countries.
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I feel like you can't just do that.
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Seems like it's something...
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But it also...
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I don't care if you can or not.
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It seems like a motivation Alex Jones would be super against.
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Right.
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Then you have their larger goal, which clearly this would just be the beginning of, to create
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a one world government with one world currency.
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Right.
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And their stated objectives here being that you want to create a nation without borders
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and rejecting the narrow nationalism that divides humanity.
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You have things that are principally against what Alex Jones stands for.
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When you talk about...
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Yeah, but Lynch made Dune, man.
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You gotta listen to him.
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When you talk about the globalists that Alex Jones throws darts at all the fucking time,
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as we discussed in the endgame coverage, like you look at Haas, the leader of the Council
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on Foreign Relations.
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In his essay that he wrote about globalization and sovereignty, he discusses the need to
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retain sovereignty, but to have the definition be adjusted to reflect the fact that we live
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in a global world and things that happen in other countries affect what happens to you
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in your sovereign country and non-national organizations are affecting everybody.
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Yeah.
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Currently we have economies without borders.
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There is nothing in the stuff that I've read from Alex Jones's boogeyman globalists where
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they're actually saying we want a one world government.
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They do.
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They do.
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Yeah, but come on.
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They made Mulholland Drive.
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He didn't seem to like that one.
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It's a great film, though.
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He didn't like that one.
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All right.
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They made Eraserhead.
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Alex, you're so blinded by your star fuckery that you accidentally had somebody on your
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show who's promoting ideals of an organization that actually wants a one world government.
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Congratulations, you dumb fuck.
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God damn it.
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He never fails to surprise me.
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He's dumb.
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He's so dumb.
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Anyway, go suck it, Alex.
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Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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Anyway, if you want more of the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com.
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What a fucking moron.
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Oh, God, we've still got the Easter sale going on.
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We do.
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We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
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Indeed.
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You can find us on Facebook.
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You can do that.
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Also the new group.
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New group.
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Yes, that's right.
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If you've forgotten the name, check us out.
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Which I have.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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I got a show.
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I'm doing a show at the Improv in Schaumburg next Sunday, March 4th.
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You can come out and see that.
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Improv.
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Schaumburg, March 4th.
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Say hi.
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Tickets still available.
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Sonya, flights are cheap right now.
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You can get on out, stay in Schaumburg.
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It's a beautiful, boring suburb.
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I'd like to say I'm thrilled by a lot of these international... I mean, Sonya, we've been
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aware of for a while and we've interacted.
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You probably haven't, but I've interacted with her online.
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I'm thrilled by a lot of these new internationalists coming out of the woodwork.
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I've received some messages from people in London, other parts of England, Finland, just
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in the last week.
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It's crazy.
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Denmark, it's nuts.
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I don't know what the fuck... I don't know how they're finding this, but it's awesome.
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I'm happy they are.
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It's awesome to interact with these folks.
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I hope eventually we have enough policy wonks to take over Finland and start our own knowledge
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fight country.
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With our currency.
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The ROM.
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No, it'd be the ROM 2.0.
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Oh, also to everybody out there who's emailed me about the Avengers initiative, I appreciate
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that I've not been able to get back to you because of the end game stuff.
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I sort of put responding to emails on hold, but I will be getting back to you and I appreciate
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your posting stuff about us.
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That long sound bite is coming.
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You get your own private sound bite?
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No, I'm going to play it on the show.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, it's not private.
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All right.
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Oh, also if you did email me about that stuff, please email me again with who you want to
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be from the Avengers.
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At this point, Rocket Raccoon is taken, but that's it.
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Rocket Raccoon's taken.
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That's it.
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Everyone else is still in play.
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Are we talking about all the Avengers?
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Yeah, the West Coast Avengers.
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Like all the Marvel characters in the eventual double team up.
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Yeah, everybody who's in any iteration of the Avengers.
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This is stupid.
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I want to be in the Star Wars, but whatever.
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You don't get to be involved.
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No.
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Anyway, guys, thank you all so much for listening.
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Yeah.
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Who do you got?
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I would like to say Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
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Yeah, I'm on board with that.
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Kind of an asshole.
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Go fuck yourself, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Thanks for having me.
