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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I am Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little
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bit about Alex Jones.
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Today we are drinking the noveltiest of beverages.
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Correct.
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Old style.
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Old style.
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Because we need it, buddy.
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The Chicago favorite.
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We need it.
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Today is a weird day, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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And that's our dynamic, that's how we like to have fun.
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And clearly Dan has got some shit to say, because you ran through that bet real fast.
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I want to talk about Survivor Series.
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Alright, I knew it.
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I knew it!
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God dammit!
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No, I don't, not really.
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I do kind of want to talk about it, but we already...
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Surely you spent the last five minutes telling me about it.
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Yeah, I was venting a little bit.
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You know how a lot of people pre-show, a lot of shows have like, okay, here's what we're
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going to talk about today, here's what we're going to go through, a nice little pre-production
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meeting.
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Nope.
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Nah.
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I'm like, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn got fucked.
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It's pointless.
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Yep.
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Bunch of garbage.
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I hate it.
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This is why our eventual show on MSNBC will be canceled immediately.
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Right, just weird, vague reviews, trying not to give spoilers away about past wrestling
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pay-per-views.
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Fox News is going to have a field day, because in the first five minutes of our TV show I'm
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going to be like, have we considered killing all white people?
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Well, we're going to get to that later.
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And here is my plan for how to do it.
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Jordan, you're going to love one of the things that comes up on today's show.
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I believe it.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to guess it has something to do with race war.
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It does, in a very interesting way.
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Today, we're going to be covering the November 20th, 2017 episode of the Alex Jones Show.
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That's today.
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That's current as we're recording this, and you know, we, there's trouble.
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I don't know how else to put it.
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Every time we go back into the present, we get into trouble.
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Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that I found incredibly shocking about today's episode.
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Oh boy.
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And I think you, I make a prediction that you're going to be as mad as you've ever been.
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That is a hearty prediction, my friend.
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And considering that it's already 8 p.m., I want to ask that you-
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Among the almost year that we've been doing this podcast, I think I've got some high points,
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as far as anger goes.
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There's some infuriating stuff in here, especially once we get into what the reality of what
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they're talking about is.
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But I just ask you, in courtesy to my neighbors, try and contain yourself.
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Okay, I'll do my best.
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Recently, my anger has been very cold.
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It's been, I've just been reserved and furious.
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That's not true.
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Do you disagree?
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Yes, I disagree.
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For me, I feel like-
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I've edited these episodes.
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I know exactly how much you've been yelling.
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I have a hard time listening to them now.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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So the episode, I think, is going to be trouble.
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And so to start things off, I have an out-of-context drop that is delightful.
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You're so protective of me.
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I try.
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Is it just this song?
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I love this song.
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He's not wrong.
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Finally we agree on something.
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Finally me and Alex can really come together.
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That's pretty delightful.
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Coming out of break.
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Just eastbound it down.
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I love this song.
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I love it.
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Ah, such a human moment now.
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We begin with something that is filled with love, and I assume we are going to only descend
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from that high point into hell.
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Yes, indeed.
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In a very Dante-esque nightmare.
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I will tell you this, ahead of the show, I actually spoiled this in a text message between
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you and I earlier today.
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A lot of the show that Alex put on today was in reaction to the death of Charles Manson.
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That's why I said I'm sure it has something to do with Race War.
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Yes, but that's not actually the biggest part of the Race War stuff.
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There's another-
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How is Charles Manson not the biggest part of the Race War stuff?
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I had a stretch where I was actually very interested in the whole Charles Manson thing,
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and boy howdy.
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He was really afraid of black people.
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That's good that you have a lot of awareness and knowledge about Charles Manson.
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Is it?
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Well, for this episode, yes.
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Because I have a good sense of him, but I will be the first to admit that I've never
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done a deep dive on him.
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I have just read a couple books and seen some documentaries and stuff.
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That's more of a deep dive than most human beings will ever do.
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Right, but I imagine you have more expertise, and thankfully that is the case, because Alex
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has a narrative.
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Oh no.
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And let's start-
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Oh no.
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Let's start with how he wants to get things going, how he's going to present the death
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of Charles Manson.
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I'm already angry.
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Alex Jones, thank you for joining us on this Monday, the 20th day of November.
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Also this is the music that's playing is the cover of Helter Skelter, which is a little
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bit-
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I'm guessing he couldn't get the rights to Helter Skelter on this one.
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Interesting.
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2017.
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Well, Charlie Manson of Helter Skelter is deader than doornail.
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Also, spoiler alert, guys, I don't like to brag, but I have 100%ed the drums on Helter
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Skelter on Expert on Rock Band Beatles.
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I don't mean to brag.
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I don't mean to-
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All right, all right.
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And as that came out of my mouth, I realized that's a lie.
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So in fact, actually you were telling the truth.
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You don't mean to brag.
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Clearly you did the opposite of that.
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I got gold stars on it.
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I didn't 100% it in the interest of honesty.
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And because the person I was playing with is in the chat room.
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I'll take it that's Nicki Minaj.
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I'll take it that's Nicki Minaj.
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Hi, Nicki.
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Hi, Nicki.
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Now back then, it was really weird and crazy to have somebody on PCP and LSD running around-
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Still is.
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Killing beauty queens.
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Definitely still is.
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And coffee baronesses.
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It was a big, big deal.
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It was shocking.
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But nowadays, everybody's crazy.
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That is a Charles Manson quote paraphrased.
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This is the godfather of the Antifa movement.
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What?
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This is the godfather-
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God fucking damn it!
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Of the modern environmental movement.
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Neighbors.
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This is a man that wanted 90% of the world's population to be exterminated by a world government.
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And a man who wanted to ignite the breakdown of civilization by causing race war, playing
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different ethnic and religious groups off against each other around the world in a divide
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and conquer strategy.
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The truth is, Charlie Manson was inducted into a higher level CIA DARPA mind control
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program and inserted into the highest levels of rock and roll, movies, he knew all the
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major folks, co-wrote songs for the Beach Boys, the list goes on and on, and was delivering
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large amounts of pure weapons grade LSD to campuses all over California.
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He was selling drugs.
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Definitely doing that.
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Then the windup toy either went off the rails or was ordered to carry out the murders.
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We don't know still to this day.
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Sure don't.
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Yes we do!
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But he was CIA.
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100%.
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So, what is your immediate reaction to that?
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I think I've made that clear.
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I think my immediate reaction came immediately and was very obvious.
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Was not in favor, I'm guessing.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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One.
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Right.
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He did not try and cause a race war.
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He was paranoid and terrified of the race war.
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He assumed that it was going to come and one of the main things that he did was he used
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that paranoia to control the people inside of his cult.
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He wouldn't allow them to escape, he wouldn't allow them to go anywhere by stoking their
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fears that they would be killed if they went elsewhere.
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The other thing that he did was not co-write any of the Beach Boys songs, however, he hung
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out with one of the Beach Boys.
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He did not hang out with all of the Beach Boys, the rest of the Beach Boys fucking thought
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he was a lunatic.
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Right.
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It probably had to do with why they ended up breaking up.
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Yeah.
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One of the reasons, however, that he hung out with one of the Beach Boys was not because
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they were friends of any sort, it was because sex.
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He was-
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Sex?
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Yeah.
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I thought it was drugs.
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No, no, no, no.
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Sex is a drug for some people.
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I just want to be right.
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No, so what's this fuck, I don't remember which Beach Boy it was.
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Brian Wilson.
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It was not Brian Wilson.
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David Wilson.
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It was not Brian Wilson.
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It was David Wilson.
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David Jones.
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It was not David Jones.
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Alex's dad.
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It was Alex's dad.
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I don't remember the names of the rest of the Beach Boys.
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No, so it was basically David Wilson just hung out at the place because Charles Manson
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threw women at him, underage women.
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Sure.
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In case you were wondering.
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I wonder if Alex wants to talk about that.
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I don't think he does.
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He doesn't.
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Yeah, no, it was a sex cult for David Wilson and he did that.
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Part of the reason that he had the cult was just so he could get more people for David
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Wilson to have sex with.
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We're getting a correction.
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David would still hang out with him.
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We're getting a correction from the chat room.
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It was Stamos.
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John Stamos?
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Yeah.
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He's doing it with the Beach Boys.
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I know.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I'm still very angry.
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The point that I want to make, putting aside all of the factual inaccuracies.
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Which is all of them.
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The interesting thing that I run into all the time is the length that Alex will go to
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excuse white violence.
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It's astounding to me that every time that there's a white person, it has to be some
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sort of a CIA operation gone wrong or something like that.
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It's never that they actually wanted to kill people.
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It's never that they actually had malice, evil or anything in their hearts.
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It's always someone else's fault.
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Oh, so Dennis Wilson, not David Wilson.
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Who cares?
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David Wilson was a guy who ran a film festival in my hometown and was not involved with Charles
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Manson.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Dennis.
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Yeah.
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Fuck Dennis.
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Yeah.
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He was a piece of shit.
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He was a menace.
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He was an old star.
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His old style is getting good to me.
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I'm furious that you're doing that.
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Whatever that was, you got to stop it.
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I think what's going on is I know that this episode is going to make you so mad that I'm
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kind of like-
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You're trying to preemptively toss in the bits?
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No, I'm just trying to be like, I'm almost trolling at this point.
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It's almost just like, I'm going to have my fun.
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Right.
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I gotcha.
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I gotcha.
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That's fine.
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I will try and play off of that end.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm getting a correction.
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It's Owen Wilson.
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That actually sounds right.
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It was Drillbit Taylor.
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Yeah.
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Luke.
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Luke would never have been involved with that.
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Absolutely not.
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Luke actually wrote all of the best songs on Pet Sounds.
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That's true.
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Very strange truth.
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Yeah.
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And Future Man.
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I get it.
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Andrew Wilson.
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That was his name.
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Andrew Wilson, who played Future Man in Bottle Rocket.
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And of course, the best character in any film in history.
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Future Man.
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No.
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Oh.
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A volleyball from Castaway.
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I get it.
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Wilson Wilson.
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I get it.
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I just want to talk more about Future Man.
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That's a...
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I don't actually know what Future Man is.
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Which one is that?
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He was the guy who they lived with in Bottle Rocket when they were trying to plan the big
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robbery.
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Oh.
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I'm not gonna lie to you.
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Never saw a Bottle Rocket.
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He...
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Buh buh buh buh buh buh.
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Owen Wilson has a yellow jumpsuit on, and Future Man pulls up in a jeep, and he makes
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fun of him.
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He's like, look at this guy.
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He looks like a little banana.
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To this day, one of the funniest lines.
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Because afterwards, after he drives away, Owen Wilson's like, Future Man's so cool.
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Anyway.
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Quick question.
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Enough Bottle Rocket talk.
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Quick question.
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I love Bottle Rocket.
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Okay.
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Probably Wes Anderson's best movie.
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Really?
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Don't fucking come at me, chat room.
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All right.
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That's going on the list of things Dan finds reasonable.
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I think Bottle Rocket is very reasonable.
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Let's move along.
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All right.
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Enough of this Wilson riff.
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All right.
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Let's get down to this.
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Alex wants to talk about the 60s, and the...
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I'm sure he has got his finger on the pulse of the 60s.
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He wants to talk about the environment the people were living in in the 60s, and what
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was taboo, and what have you.
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And it's devil worshiping, apparently.
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Nothing I love more than a guy who grew up in the 70s telling me what happened in the
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60s.
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This is about devil worship, and it goes off the rails pretty fast.
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What was big and bad and evil in the 1960s to the Puritan America?
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Devil worship.
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But if you could get people to worship the devil, to have sex with super hot movie stars,
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what next it was, we need you to kill somebody.
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And that's what Charlie Manson was about.
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He was one MK ultra tentacle that went sideways, and they used it to create the whole new popular
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culture where it's so cool to be whacked out of your brain, a shaman who knows everything,
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and can do everything, and has got your cult of trendies that go from being hippies to
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being cold-blooded murderers.
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That's always what it is.
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First, they get you peace and love and nirvana, and you can do anything, and all of a sudden,
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but there's a price to pay.
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There's always a Dracula in the shadow.
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So hold on one second.
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We got a couple of problems.
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Is he saying that Charles Manson was used to incite the 60s to violence?
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Because as the narrative goes, literally for everyone else, Charles Manson was the end
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of the 60s.
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Yeah.
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Charles Manson was the story where everybody goes, oh, the flower child bullshit is over.
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We got to figure shit out.
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Yeah, yeah, to a great extent, because that was like 69, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Then everything that happened at the beginning of the 70s was kind of trash.
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Yeah.
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Ken Kesey's eulogy for the 60s heavily features Charles Manson.
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Yeah.
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I think Alex's conception, as best I can tell from having listened to all of it, and the
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connective tissue that's not really in a lot of these clips, because it's boring, is that
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he believed that Charles Manson was a guy who was a bag man, he was a drug guy, and
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he was trying to get people into drugs and then compromise them into devil worship.
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But not even the family.
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He's not even talking about the family.
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He's talking about, like, he says specifically there's one Charles Manson at every campus
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around America, and Charles Manson was just the one that went wrong.
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He went off the reservation, and Alex will explain what that means in a little bit.
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You have a question.
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I see you raising your hand.
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I have time for one question.
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All right.
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No follow-ups.
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At University of Missouri, who was your Charles Manson?
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I think it was this guy named Gabe.
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Gabe Wilson.
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Gabe Wilson, yeah.
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He was real weird.
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He would walk around with a big effigy of George Bush bleeding.
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He was strange.
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You know what?
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I'm going to go with that's fine.
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I don't think he had a cult, though, did he?
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No.
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Generally, people on that side of things don't...
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You got to start low.
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He did have a Students for Action group or something like that.
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He did have a following.
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Well, then you know he fucked.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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On that picture of George Bush bleeding.
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Oh, no, not a picture.
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Effigy.
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It was like a giant...
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It was an effigy.
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It was a giant puppet.
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Oh, well, then he just had sex with the effigy.
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That's clear.
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It's entirely possible.
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That's entirely true.
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So in this next clip, while discussing all this devil worship in the 60s, Alex accidentally
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makes a bit of a confession about what his version of Christianity is.
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Oh, boy.
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And what he looks to.
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Let's see.
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The whole revolution you're seeing is French Revolution Part Two.
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They saw we were launching ours in 1776 for the real...
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The real.
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New Atlantis.
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No.
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For Sir Francis Bacon.
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The real Rosicrucian order.
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Esoteric Christianity.
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Oh.
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And they created their counterfeit, which is just every flavor of rebellion, death,
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degradation, and it's all about psychopathic men being able to have women and others programmed
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and under their control to do horrible things.
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Think about exactly that.
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Oh, I...
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You're a psychopathic man who is obsessed with subjugating women.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I also wanted to say at the end of that last clip, we kind of got off track, but he's
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saying that, you know, Charles Manson, there's always a Dracula in the background or whatever.
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Like, fucking look at David Koresh, you dumbass.
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Like he based his career, he started his career building like a new church at the site of
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the Branch Davidians and loves Waco, loves David Koresh.
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All that shit.
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This is where you find up something weird about me.
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Huge David Koresh fan.
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Interesting.
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Huge David Koresh fan.
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I love the way his name is David Koresh.
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Love the way he was Jesus, reincarnated.
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That's true.
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Everybody knows that.
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Yeah.
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Strangely enough, I'm fine with everything he did.
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Not true.
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Moving along.
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Not true.
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Of course not.
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Not true.
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But Alex is very apologetic about David Koresh.
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It's like, hey, if you...
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You can't.
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He is.
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You can't.
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He is.
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You can't be.
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He is.
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That's not a thing you can be.
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It's tough.
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But anyway, he's into esoteric Christianity.
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I do like the degree of difficulty on that, though.
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You got like...
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Okay.
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It's like in the Olympics.
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You know, anybody can do a straight dive, make it look pretty good.
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Your degree of difficulty score, way down.
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If you can defend David Koresh, your degree of difficulty is way up there.
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You already start a little ahead.
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Even if you fail, you still got bonus points starting off.
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There's no doubt about that, but at the same time, he does not nail the landing.
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No, of course not.
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It's a disaster.
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He belly flops and explodes.
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The entire pool just explodes around him.
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He just goes on and on about, like, Janet Reno killed him.
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Janet Reno did kill him.
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He's not wrong.
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Right.
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But that's not the most important piece.
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That's not the most important David Koresh information.
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So esoteric Christianity, though, have you done any research into esoteric Christianity?
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I have not done any research into...
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My theories about Gnosticism are pretty close to right.
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He's not talking about Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity, right?
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He might be.
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He calls Thomas Jefferson a classical liberal, and he calls himself a classical liberal all
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the time.
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Yeah, but Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity is so logical, as you would say.
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No, so that's not this.
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He removed all of the pretend parts of the Bible.
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Oh, no, no.
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He was like, hey, you know that Jesus...
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He's not talking about that.
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That Jesus guy, he said some cool shit.
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Those miracles?
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Bullshit.
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He's not talking about, like, the Gospel of Thomas or something like that, where it's
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just all the miracles, not there, and all that shit, just the sayings and stuff.
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Right, right, right.
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No, no, no.
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If you look into...
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He's talking about Chimerus.
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Right.
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If you look into most versions of esoteric Christianity, a lot of the interpretations
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there...
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This is just one of my favorite pieces of it.
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Most of the interpretations of it are, like, don't come.
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That's what a lot of it boils down to, is, like, the tree of wisdom of good and evil
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is an orgasm.
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The fruit of the tree of good and evil is an orgasm, and so you should never come.
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It's so weird how all religions are obsessed with sex, so obsessed with controlling and
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regulating sex.
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Like, because it's such a powerful force.
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Right.
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Well, and it's not a bad idea.
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Like, if you're trying to get people to channel all of that...
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Look, if everybody's...
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It's why you so frequently see con men with food stuff, you know, because it is another
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base urge that you have.
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Right.
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If you get someone to control that through your system, then you're way more likely to
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control them.
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Well, and the...
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I mean, the other thing is, if everybody's getting laid all the time, nobody's gonna
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work as hard, you know?
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Like, you got a lot of needs satisfied, you're just gonna kind of chill out, whereas if everybody
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is repressed and sexual, you're gonna build the Sistine Chapel.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It's that kind of bullshit.
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Sure.
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Sublimation of sexual energies.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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It's not like we're talking about pyramids.
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Indeed.
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So Alex Jones is into esoteric Christianity, which is weird as shit.
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But at least we finally have an admission that it's not real Christianity.
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No, of course not.
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Not mainline Christianity.
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I think we all knew about that.
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But it's nice to hear...
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It's not even biblical Christianity.
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But it's nice to hear it from his mouth.
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Yeah.
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And that means straight up, he might believe in, like, the lost books of the Bible and
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forgotten books of Eden.
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He might be into the Apocrypha, the Pseudepigrapha.
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He might be into all of these, like, banished books and stuff.
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There's some good shit in the Apocrypha.
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The Apocrypha is...
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No!
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We're not talking about any kind of, like, logic or reason or even good deeds.
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Just decent books.
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They're just, they're great comic books.
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Like I would...
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Totally.
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If you had an illuminated text of the, of Jesus fighting dragons and murdering kids
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when he was a kid.
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Totally.
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That's some good shit.
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Absolutely.
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I would definitely read that.
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Like I said, I just like to hear it out of his mouth, and I'm excited about that.
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Now let's go back to Manson.
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No!
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So you know Manson killed Sharon Tate.
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You know that?
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Yeah, I heard.
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Alex knows that too.
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Wait, what?
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And that's where our information diverges.
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That'd be funny if I was like, I spent a long time researching Manson and the...
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Wait, he did what?
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Holy shit.
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Are you shitting me?
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This guy was a murderer?
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I take back everything.
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So he, those are probably the only two things, like, the only thing we're going to agree
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with him in in this next clip, because he has a sort of an alternate explanation of...
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Also, he got the French Revolution wrong.
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The Jacobins.
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He got the American Revolution wrong.
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He got all of the revolutions wrong.
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No, it was about esoteric Christianity, baby.
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That could be.
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All right, so here we go.
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Let's talk Tate.
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Talkin' Tate.
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That's our new podcast.
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Talkin' Tate.
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With Dan and George.
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And boy, Charlie Manson was jealous of the cult above him.
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He was getting kicked out of that cult.
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They weren't being nice to him anymore.
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So what'd he do?
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They were never being nice to him.
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He went and killed their high priestess.
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He told people he did too.
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He went and killed their goddess.
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He went and killed who they thought was the number one woman in the Hollywood cult of
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Roman Polanski and others.
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While he was out of town, they killed her and they killed his baby.
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They showed him what would happen if Charlie Manson didn't get to stay in the cult.
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I don't...
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Charlie Manson created a list of people that weren't partying with him anymore and weren't,
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you know, buying his LSD anymore.
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And he went in there and he killed him.
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And that, my friends, is the rest of the story of Charlie Little Man Manson.
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Is that where it ends?
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Alex thinks he's Garrison Keillor or something like that.
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Is that where it ends?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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Also, I like how he just takes Manson's word for it.
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He told people, so of course Manson was telling the truth.
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But I think that's probably in reference to things that he did say about, like, wanting
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to kill a celebrity because there'd be more attention and she was a huge movie star.
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Like that sort of thing.
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It's not like she's the goddess of an Illuminati cult or something like that.
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He keeps saying that, like, at this point, Charles Manson is a Renfield, but he wants
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to be a Dracula.
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So he acts like a Dracula and kills their high priestess.
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And it's like, okay.
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Well, then doesn't he meet all the requirements of being a Dracula?
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And that's why he went in prison for the rest of his life.
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I'd never said any of this stuff.
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It's like, no, he was a paranoid, coke addled fame whore who just wanted people to like
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him.
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Inexplicably, that was how he chose to do it.
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Like he was, he was such an insane person and at the same time, his motivations are
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so understandable if you just get into where it was that he came from.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like, you know how so many-
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Are you saying that he's reasonable?
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No.
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Just checking.
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No, no, no, no.
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Just checking for our records.
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No.
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Well, it's like how serial killers.
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Like so many times you find out serial killers were raped as children repeatedly and they've
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been destroyed-
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And you have Manson's history of like boarding houses and shit like that and going to prison
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as a kid.
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Yeah.
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He was definitely sexually abused from the jump, man.
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Like he was fucked up to start with.
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Also like five foot four.
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Very short man.
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That's no good.
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Such a short, short man.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's bad.
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Super weird.
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Those people, those people, I mean, I know this guy, Randy, he told me they have no reason
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to live.
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Randy Paul?
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Randy Newman.
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Short people got no-
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All right.
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Oh boy.
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Let's move it along.
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Uh, so in this next clip, Alex discusses, uh, how, uh, the, these drugs are too strong.
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He's saying that there are, there's like marijuana's that are going around that are hallucinogenic.
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Did you just say marijuana's?
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Yeah, yeah I did.
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Does he say marijuana's?
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More or less.
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I might have-
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Yeah, but you said marijuana's.
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I might've been putting a little English on it.
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I might've been trying to get fancy.
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Got a little spin, got a little draw on that.
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Might've been.
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Uh, but, uh, so he talks about that and then talks about like psychotropic drugs, uh, medicinals,
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and then he gets sidetracked in a weird, uh, uh, deconstruction of his own voice, kind
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of.
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It's very, it's very strange.
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It'll make sense in a minute.
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Let's get in.
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This is a very, very serious situation and is part of a larger operation to put you into
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a near dream state so that you're not really conscious.
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Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is
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but a dream.
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If I wanted to come on this show and talk to you like they do on NPR to put you into
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a trance, I could do it.
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But on purpose, I have a grading voice to get you out of your coma, to shake you free
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out of it.
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So you're revealing that your voice is bullshit?
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If I wanted to, I could talk just as sweet and just as pretty as all these fake people.
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But I don't do that.
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Are you trying to hear my real voice and it's everything they hate.
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It's masculine, it's grading.
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It's like an alarm in the night.
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It's like a Marine Corps drill Sergeant, but I'm not copying a Marine Corps drill Sergeant.
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Drill sergeants are trying to encompass the classic status of a male instructing people
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in serious, dangerous things that affect their life.
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So people listen, so they understand what's going on.
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So you've been warned.
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So if you've got what it takes, you'll listen.
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If you don't, you were warned.
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We did our job.
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And we'll be back in just about five minutes.
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We are going to play you some very lovely music right now.
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And that is how the glo-
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So I don't actually have any, that's stupid.
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Alex just gets lost in his own bullshit.
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I enjoy that.
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That's bananas.
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At the end of the show, Matt Dubier from the quote unquote Chicago affiliate is supposed
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to host the fourth hour.
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But I think Alex doesn't trust him to host.
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Because of course not.
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So he cuts into the time and just rambles about how the globalists aren't having kids
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because they don't want kids down in their underground arcs and stuff like that.
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I was like, it's too nonsensical, but I wanted to bring it up.
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That sounds fun.
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It sounds more fun than what we're about to talk about, I'm assuming.
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We're going back to Manson.
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Oh, okay.
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So, you know what?
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I'm going to be honest with you.
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I'm actually kind of interested in, I'm actually very fascinated in what his take already is
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on Manson and how it's going to go from here.
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Because again, that was like, I'm a huge, I'm a huge nerd about certain types of things
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like that.
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So it's going to be fun.
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And let me be perfectly clear.
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This isn't the stuff I expected you to yell about.
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That's later.
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God damn you.
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The Manson stuff I figured would be frustrated by, but also at the same time, like, what
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a dick.
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Yeah.
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In this next clip, Alex makes his narrative about Charles Manson a bit more robust.
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He starts to try and deal with the idea that Charles Manson had environmental leanings.
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And he basically says that he was a globalist.
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Well, he already called him a CIA agent, so he's got to be part of the globalist empire.
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He's basically saying that he's a proto globalist and that...
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And also a proto antifa.
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Well, he's the grandfather of antifa.
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He's the grandfather of antifa.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And that he had firsthand knowledge of globalist plans.
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That doesn't sound right.
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No.
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Charlie Manson is only just one guy they put into things and he wrote not just one, but
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several songs with the Beach Boys and other bands.
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He got to know the main Hollywood crew and he got to learn not just from the CIA and
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the drugs he was being given, but from all the different cults in Hollywood, how things
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ran and who really ran the world and what the plan was.
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So when you hear a guy that probably took LSD over a thousand times looking completely
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insane, looking like across from a homeless person and a guru, gibbering all this.
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You say, where does he get it?
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He got it directly from their battle plan.
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So good.
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Mm-hmm.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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I'm listening.
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If true.
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Right.
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Troubling.
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Well.
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If not true, which it is not, the globalists have an incredibly bad plan.
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Right.
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So his fear of what the world was going to be, yes, he thought 90% of people were going
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to die in a race war, which by the way, that is his fears of stuff are, I actually recently
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watched In Bruges.
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There's a part where the dwarf or a little person.
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Dinklage?
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No, it wasn't Dinklage.
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Wow.
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I thought it was Dinklage at first.
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It wasn't him.
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I'm just guessing.
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I've never seen it.
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No, it might as well be.
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It's a movie.
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Dinklage.
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Right.
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You would think.
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Yeah.
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But he has a cocaine binge where he explains how there's going to be a race war, and that's
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based off of Manson's ideas.
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Well, there's a bunch of Charlie Pride songs too.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of neo-Nazi shit about how there's going to be a race war.
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But the point being, no.
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That's a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to think.
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It's not even the race war part.
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It's also Alex talking about the idea of climate change and saving the environment.
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It's all of those things that seem incongruous to a...
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That would have been a tertiary result of that plan were it to actually go around.
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Right.
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You kill 90% of the people on the planet, I'm going to tell you this, climate's going
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to improve.
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So in some ways, I do respect Charlie Manson's plans.
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Don't call him Charlie.
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How can you not?
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So in this...
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Now that we're all so familiar with him.
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Also here we go, this next clip lays out what I mean.
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It's not just the race war stuff.
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This is what Alex is talking about.
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They had Charlie Manson types who were the gurus over the universities in every city.
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And again, that was somebody of things that was wrong could be destroyed.
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And the reason I mention all that is coming up in the next segment, I'm going to play
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a bunch of clips of Charlie Manson and you're going to go, wait a minute, this is everything
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the Democrats and Al Gore and Antifa and George Soros says.
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Now this plan backfires.
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This plan backfires when Alex starts playing some clips and they kind of sound more like
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him.
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And he doesn't address that at all, but I would imagine not.
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We'll address that here in a second.
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But in the meantime, Alex starts talking about globalists and just sort of generally discussing
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what they are about and spreading some fears.
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And I have some thoughts on the other side.
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And that's what we're dealing with, folks, is a bunch of pedophile devil worshipers today
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because now it's not sick enough to just, you know, have sex with hot chicks on altars.
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That's just the entryway into it that gets much worse.
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The blood drinking.
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But that's not enough.
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You've got to ship out factor eight to millions of people with HIV and hepatitis in it.
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We address that.
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It's not what they're doing.
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And you've got to legalize giving blood if you've got HIV in California to spread that.
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That's human sacrifice.
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And you've got to sexualize children at a young age.
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You've got to give them fluoride and you've got to give them Prozac.
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You've got to give them Ritalin and you've got to bombard them with GMO.
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You've got to slowly sacrifice the whole planet.
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So that's the globalists.
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And you know who's sexualizing children at a young age these days?
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Roy Moore.
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Yeah.
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Well, and not just that, but the entire homeschooled evangelical community.
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Like one of the big things that they do is they create these child marriages in order
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to once again subjugate women.
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And in order for like that way, your father has complete control over your future.
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And the weirdest thing about it is that you're betrothed.
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You're supposed to be betrothed like that and married at like 15.
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But before you actually move in with your husband, your dad is supposed to teach you
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for a few years what your duties are.
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Like it's batshit insane out there.
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There are a bunch of dudes who go around and give these talks at evangelical meetings and
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conferences that are all vaguely like, you know, this is what women are supposed to do.
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And then later on, people are like, wait, are you talking about 14 year olds?
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And they stop getting invited as much because it's very uncomfortable.
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It's not good.
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More what I wanted to bring up is that what he's talking about, they're drinking blood.
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The globalists are drinking blood.
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That's the blood libel.
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That's antisemitism.
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Yeah.
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But you know what?
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Where are they getting it?
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From the children.
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You know, if they're just getting it from like blood vans, I think I'm fine with that.
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They're not doing that.
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Oh, okay.
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That's not in the but that's classical antisemitism.
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That's blood libel.
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That's all that is.
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That's all that he's using to define the globalist.
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This idea of misinterpreting stories to say that they're trying to taint blood supplies,
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whether it be through HIV or hepatitis, whatever, which is not the case in those stories.
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We've already talked about that.
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Or the putting the fluoride in the water.
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All of that are examples of poisoning the well, which is another form of archaic antisemitism.
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All of this stuff that Alex talks about with the globalists, all of these fears trace back
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for in the most part.
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A few millennia.
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Yeah, back to like about 1100 or so.
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And it's pathetic.
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And the fact that the people don't see through that is troubling.
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And it true.
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It's troubling and true.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex wants you to not be afraid.
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Oh, good.
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Because he's been stoking my fears for a while now.
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You spoke too soon.
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He wants you to not be afraid of the fluoride in the water much anymore.
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Oh, that's good.
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Yeah, because it's at a low enough level.
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Although we have found in China, there are levels of fluoride that are perhaps damaging.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's not in America, though.
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It's because he's been unless you live in Flint, he's been spreading the word.
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And so the globalists know that people know.
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And so now there's a new fear.
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They've got studies out on what you can do with these systems.
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Birds will just fall out of trees and won't care if ants eat them.
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They can make you just go to sleep.
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Flip the switch.
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Everybody just whoa, lies down.
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You don't think the Pentagon doesn't want those type of weapons?
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And you don't think the globalists that put fluoride in the water and all the rest of
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stuff to hurt us wouldn't use that?
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Because they know we know about fluoride now and the adjuvants in the water and they're
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moving away from that program because they know most of your filtering your water and
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they're going to electromagnetic.
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So you're going to pivot just like Dr. Nick Baggage just said, we should get back on the
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show very, very soon.
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He said, forget the chemicals, Alex.
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That's the child's play because they have to get into your body.
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They're going with 5G technology.
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So this is Hamamoto.
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So we're going on full cell phones are going to kill you.
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Yes.
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Gotcha.
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And Dr. Group has been doing a good job of like trying to spin these narratives on the
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show lately.
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This is like, I don't like the way you said that Dr. Hamamoto.
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My favorite crazy.
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Yes.
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Your favorite crazy.
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He has spouted a lot of this shit.
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And Alex brings up Hamamoto's source as well.
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Dr. Nick Baggage, who we've gone over is not a doctor.
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And Dr. Hamamoto has a lot of those classic traits that he was describing about university
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gurus and the like.
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A little bit.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Yeah.
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But Nick baggage is not a doctor.
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He has his degree.
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Dr. Nick baggage.
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Isn't a doctor.
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He has a fake degree from a Sri Lankan university diploma.
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There we go.
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He's just making up all this shit about electromagnetic waves and what have you.
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It's just complete pseudoscience woo shit.
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I was thinking about becoming a substitute teacher.
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Do you think I could get one of those Sri Lankan degrees?
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Totally.
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I'll write you up.
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Oh, sweet.
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Yeah.
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Do you think I could get two?
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I have a fucking diploma mill that I run.
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How do you think I can rent?
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Yeah.
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This show is not making enough money.
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Now I was a big fan of your cryptocurrency, Dan coin, Dan coin, but, but if you got a
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diploma mill, I like one that you're expanding your revenue streams.
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That's always important.
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They're called Dan plomas.
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Totally accredited.
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That's like four different puns you've made already.
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I'm in a weird mood.
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Your pun ratio is high today.
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I think I'm just trying to prepare you for what's what's to come.
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God damn it, Dan.
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It's not good.
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Why are you doing this to me?
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This guy who comes on his show later is like, is deeply troubling and we'll get to it in
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a minute.
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But before we do, uh, it turns out there's big news, uh, in terms of the world and how
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we're all going to be forced to live.
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You know, one of the big problems I have with his hatred of the, uh, theoretical university
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gurus in the sixties was that generally speaking, all of them, all of them were trying their
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best to, uh, react to what they saw as the fifties and the way that the Eisenhower era
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destroyed women.
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Like that's exactly what they were going for.
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Unfortunately, a lot of them continued that in a different direction.
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Uh, but one of the big things that they were trying to do was create a more, uh, expansive
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society and allow people to open up their, their minds in the same way that Ken Kesey
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and the electric Kool-Aid acid test would go around and do that.
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And it's frustrating to me that you would malign them for the wrong reasons.
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Like they are deserving of much malignment for many other reasons.
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I think to a certain extent, what you look at is, um, like a macro version of someone
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who's going through therapy, you know, something like that where like, let's say that you are
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really buttoned up and never speak your mind.
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And you get therapy about, uh, speaking up for yourself and, uh, being assertive and
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all that.
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And on the way to health, you will probably scream at somebody.
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You'll probably on the path to getting better, you'll do something wrong or you'll go too
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far.
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And perhaps the sixties in a response to the fifties, uh, the, the therapy of getting people
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help and, uh, trying to fix the woes of society, you end up metaphorically screaming at somebody.
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And one of the biggest, uh, groups, uh, uh, or one of the biggest influences of so many
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of those gurus was the burgeoning therapeutic community at the time.
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There were so many, like, uh, again, I'm going to bring up Ken Kesey because he's one of
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the, uh, great chroniclers of why it was that the sixties all went wrong.
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And his disillusionment when the seventies rolled around after he did time in Mexico,
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uh, all of that stuff was, was very fascinating in that he did start to kind of deconstruct
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how many of those therapists were basing themselves off of false science.
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I'm assuming the chat room is going wild for, uh, yeah, I'm liking that.
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Don't mention it.
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She just wants attention.
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Uh, uh, but I mean, it is, it is something that comes, comes out of that and, uh, the
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way that he's, he's portraying these people is so wrong because they did so many wrong
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things.
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And if you're doing, and he's, he's, he's missing the point because the things that
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they did wrong are the things that he supports himself.
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Right.
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Whereas he's creating this false reality by silly by Celine.
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What an asshole.
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She's just making a drop in cameo.
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That's what Celine is doing today.
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She's the best.
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Oh man.
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The worst and the best simultaneously.
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No, it's, it's, I don't know.
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I don't know what to, I don't know how far to go in, in why it is that Charlie Manson,
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uh, now I'm doing it all the time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Repetitively.
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Yeah, I know Charles Manson.
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Uh, you could, you could make a lot of arguments that Charles Manson was an offshoot of the
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worst tendencies of the sixties.
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Uh, at the same time you could make a lot of arguments that serial killers gonna serial
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kill, right?
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Yeah.
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They're going to happen, uh, in any era.
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And just the, the particular details of them or what, what are circumstantial to the era.
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Yeah, the trappings have nothing to do with nothing.
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Yeah.
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Uh, so anyway, let's get to this next clip because I feel like we wandered down a, down
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a road.
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Alex is the zodiac killer.
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And Celine completely distracted me from whatever point we were trying to make.
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I completely lost track the moment I saw her.
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Um, so in, uh, I, I, I think I tried to start setting up this clip.
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And I interrupted you, which means everybody gets to drink.
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This weekend there's a big news about the world and religion.
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There's a big news.
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Yeah.
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They announced this weekend.
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They're going to have a one world religion based on worshiping AI and everyone will have
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to submit to it.
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Other religions will be banned.
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Okay.
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I think I might be okay with that.
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Any other religion and then you've got to just make them all one big thing.
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Just like they tell you in the movie Tron, everything is them telling you the big giant
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mainframe and it's grabbing in all other programs.
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Yep.
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Put him on the grid, let him play for a while and then blow him away.
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Impression.
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Not a good one.
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There's something different about this one.
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The new church of the AI God is even creepier than I imagined.
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She net says, what did Elon Musk warn you in the last few months?
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He goes, well, watch out for tech leaders coming out and saying AI gods.
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I can't get into it.
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I signed on disclosures, but it's dangerous.
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We're all in danger.
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We're all in danger.
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On the left, it's like, I can't wait to marriage with him.
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Now don't say mother and father, masculinity is bad.
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So we're back to that.
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We're back to that from 2015.
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We're all the way back there, huh?
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Yeah.
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And then also he's completely lying about Elon Musk.
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Elon Musk subtweeted a guy.
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There's a guy who's as probably a goof or some sort of publicity stunt is starting a
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church to worship the AI godhead.
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All of which is most likely a tongue in cheek bullshit kind of idea.
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Yeah.
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And Elon Musk tweeted, you are not the person of all the people who shouldn't be making
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a religion or something along those lines.
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Right, right, right.
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Complete bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Alex is, he's manufacturing dialogue in one of the most disgraceful ways there.
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I signed a non-disclosure agreement.
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Oh, it's coming.
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It's dangerous.
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Now, the fascinating thing about that.
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How pathetic is that?
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Well, the fascinating thing about that is that AI would be the closest thing that we've
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ever come to that is actually a real god.
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Right.
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Like that's a fascinating idea.
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Like perhaps a religion should develop around an AI.
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I'm hip to that.
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Yeah.
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And you know, the way that technology expands exponentially or it progresses not on a non-linear
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fashion, like what we will end up having.
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Geometric progression, yeah.
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We'll have access to within the next like 15, 20 years in terms of the growth of technology.
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It's almost unpredictable.
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Yeah.
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And some people's models, some futurist models are insanely like, you know, just everything
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being able to communicate with each other, all knowledge, all centralized.
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I don't know.
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A self-learning, self-perpetuating computer would be omniscient essentially.
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Yeah.
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And I would be fine with, I mean, I have some questions about AI, quite frankly.
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Like I always think about this.
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Like can it swim?
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That is one good question.
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Yeah.
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Second question.
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After we figure that one out.
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Yeah.
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Would a thinking robot, like if you could really sincerely have them be able to respond
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to commands and do rudimentary work or whatever.
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Full on past the Turing test, are you saying?
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Sure.
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Something along those lines?
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Would they be capable of experiencing boredom?
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That is a very good question.
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Because that is a line.
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Because it's-
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That's a line for me.
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But the thing, if they were capable of experiencing boredom, they would experience boredom at
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the same exponential level.
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So one second of boredom for something along those lines would be infinite.
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And the search for robot novelty would be insane.
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Oh yeah.
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Because the way that we deal with boredom is generally through vice or through novelty.
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We find something interesting and like, oh, that's weird.
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For a robot, especially an omniscient robot, novelty could be-
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Now we're getting into an episode of Futurama where Bender goes on a bender.
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Or Black Mirror.
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Yeah.
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Um, so that's the future.
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Yes.
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But now let's go to the past.
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All right.
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Alex Jones has something he wants to say about the past.
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And then I'm going to have some pretty serious rebuttals afterwards.
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Okay.
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Okay, let me get right back into this.
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No puns then?
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The scientific elite starting in the 1850s in Britain with the governing system of the
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world at that time being the British empire.
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So let's just stop there.
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So he's saying that the British empire was the ruling system of the world in the 1850s.
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Now let me tell you, in the 1850s, is he going to go in the 1850s?
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I pulled together a list of some of the things that were going on in the 1850s that were
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not much to do with the British empire being the rulers of the world.
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Scientific elites.
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Well, first of all, we've got the American West was being explored, like California was
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becoming a state.
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Manifest destiny!
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Expansionism had taken over.
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The Monroe Doctrine.
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Imperial Russia was on the march.
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Who would have guessed?
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There's a war in Crimea.
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Yeah!
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Well, it's old as new again.
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The Ottoman empire was still in play.
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They were kicking ass in the 1850s.
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They were kind of on their way down, but they were still at a great range of power.
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Right.
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The Qing dynasty is going strong in China for another 60 years after this.
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Really?
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The Qing dynasty?
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Q-I-N-G.
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That's Qing.
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Qing.
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That's what I thought.
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Anyway.
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So those are some of the things that are going on.
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And also, there was the Indian mutiny against British rule.
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Yeah, that was...
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Britain was dealing with some of that shit, there was the Opium Wars were going on.
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Yeah, which was Britain's fault.
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Britain was not.
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The colonial British system was not ruling the world in any way back then.
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It was like dead center of the complete collapse of the British colonial system.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is...
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I mean, we're talking when Haiti and the Dominican Republic started fighting back against...
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Yeah.
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He hasn't even presented his thesis, and he's wrong.
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He's just given the setting and like, no.
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Although, I am wrong.
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That was pre-American Revolution.
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Fair enough.
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Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
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That's Haiti.
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Haiti?
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Yeah.
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Made the decision to establish world government.
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So...
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In the 1850s?
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Yes.
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The British government, the scientific elite in the British government, the colonial British
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government, the empire that was running the world back then decided they needed global
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government in 1850.
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Could've swore they thought up that one a long time before that.
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In 1850, they'd just invented a sewing machine.
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Hey, don't knock that.
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That was very hard to do.
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No, it's cool.
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It's cool.
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It's cool.
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But the scientific elite were not doing all that much in 1850.
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Right.
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No.
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True world government, not just empire.
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And they decided to use science to do it and always be so ahead of everybody else that
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they couldn't be defeated, not just militarily, but culturally.
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They had barely understood pasteurization.
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There aren't any families anymore.
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People are programmable.
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That's the final revolution, is what the globalist technocrats call it.
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And they've written books, they've written white papers, they have conferences.
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They had a consensus 160 years ago.
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They didn't.
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You know what he's talking about?
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I figured it out.
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What?
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Charles Darwin wrote The Origin of the Species in 1859.
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That's it.
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I think that's it.
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What are you really talking about?
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I think that's it.
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OK.
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I think that's the only thing he's talking about because that's like the scientific shit
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he hates.
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Right.
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The idea of, I guess, The Origin of the Species is a white paper.
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Evolution.
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Or whatever.
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He hates evolution.
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He hates the idea of...
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Well, if you're an esoteric Christian, you have to hate evolution.
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Of course.
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Yeah, that has to be number one on the list.
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That's legitimately the only thing I can think of that was relevant in 1850s, you know, the
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Western world that he could be talking about.
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Well, I don't know my history, but I'm pretty sure that's when they found out heliocentricity.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Really?
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No.
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OK.
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I was like, that seems off.
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No.
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That seems off.
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No.
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That shows how dumb I am.
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But I kind of feel like Alex is still mad about that, too.
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Oh, definitely.
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That shows how much I trust you that you gave me a second of like, hold on now.
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So earlier, Alex said that he was going to play some clips of Charles Manson.
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And that they were going to show that Charles Manson, Charlie, if you're nasty, he is like
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Antifa.
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He is like the Democrats.
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He is like Al Gore.
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Here's the first clip.
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Charles Manson.
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Here's the first clip.
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Charles Manson is like Al Gore.
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Here's the first clip, which he specifically says is like Al Gore.
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Let's listen to it and see if it sounds like Al Gore.
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All right.
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So here it is.
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Charles Manson.
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No.
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Reality is they did what they did.
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They're responsible for their own actions.
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I'm responsible for my actions.
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Let's talk about the family.
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I've come off with clothes a few times.
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Come on.
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Didn't you try?
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What do you mean come on?
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Didn't you, man?
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I ain't lying to you.
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If you think I'm lying to you, you're wasting my time and your time.
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OK.
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Let's not lie.
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Sounds like Al Gore.
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There's no reason to.
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There's no reason to.
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Why are you guilty of that?
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I'm guilty of.
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What am I guilty of?
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I'm guilty of thinking that I had rights in a courtroom.
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That's what I'm guilty of.
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That sounds a lot like all of this is out.
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My father died in all the mother wars.
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I thought, man, I'd stand in the courtroom and tell the judge it'd be all over 15, 20
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minutes.
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I'm busy.
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I got some appointments and it started making money.
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And when it started making money, whoa, money takes precedence.
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They want to put me down on the ground for the money.
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As long as they make the money, they don't care who did it.
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Who did it's not important.
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And if I had it done, it would be worse than if I hadn't considered.
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I don't understand.
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Well, consider.
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I tell you like this.
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Yeah, I chopped up nine hogs.
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And I'm going to chop up some more.
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I'm going to kill you as many as I can.
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I'm going to pile you up to the sky.
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I'm thinking about 50 million.
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If I can get about 50 million, I might be able to save my trees and my air, my water,
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my wildlife.
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Well, that's just a drop in the bucket to what's really coming.
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That's just a drop in the bucket to what's really coming.
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And we know bio weapon, plug releases, you name it.
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You've got electromagnetic systems.
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You can flip the switch.
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People just go to sleep.
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There'll be a bunch of skeletons.
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They got to come in a few months to clean up.
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Dan, this is where normally now I know you don't have enough time.
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If we weren't doing this episode live, I feel like you would have spent an entire weekend
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on that one clip and just gone like sentence by sentence.
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Through Manson?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sentence by sentence through Manson, pulled together a clip of Alex saying the exact same
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fucking thing.
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I don't even need to because at the end there, he's like, yep, we know.
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It's basically him being like, Manson, you get it.
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No, he's crazy.
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He's saying that stuff about 50 million people and all that in response to being antagonized
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by this interviewer.
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He's not saying that like, I believe this.
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He's saying it to shock the guy.
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Yeah.
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And none of that sounds like Al Gore except for, I guess Al Gore likes trees.
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You should save the trees.
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Yeah.
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So there's that.
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Now here's exhibit B. Alex Jones believes that Charles Manson is super into a one world
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government.
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Okay.
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Charles Manson wants a one world government.
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Here it is.
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A man doesn't back up to his fear.
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He goes straight into his fear.
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We've got to get a one world government.
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We've got to have it, man.
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This is just the bombed out little drug delivery guy at the CIA who heard all this, you know,
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the Satan orgies and is now up here being our guru.
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Just repeating it when what you look like an inbred method.
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He looks like an Antifa, doesn't he?
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Cool.
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We're going to come back with more of these clips, ladies and gentlemen, but this is who
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we're facing.
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This is who we're dealing with.
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Alex criticizes other people.
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Now, before I go any further.
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Fuck you, Dad.
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Fuck you, Dad.
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If you don't financially support us, Soros will win.
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God damn it.
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If you don't support us, George Soros will win.
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George Soros.
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Cheers to everybody.
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There we go.
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Now, he pivots to an ad, not just on, like, be afraid.
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It's our enemies are goddamn Charles Manson.
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When accidentally, like him playing these things, it's very clear that it sounds a lot
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like Alex.
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It sounds exactly like Alex.
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It sounds very similar.
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It's freakishly similar to Alex.
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The one world government thing isn't like Alex at all, but at the same time, like, back
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in the 60s, the idea of a unified world government was a very popular idea.
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Yeah.
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It's not like he was the only person who ever espoused that.
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That was a pretty big hippie idea.
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That was one of the, and it was also coincidentally the time when the UN was maybe the most popular
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it's ever been.
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Yeah.
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Like, that was shortly after.
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Because they were afraid.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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That was shortly after the end of World War II, and the Cold War was just really starting
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to ramp up, and all of the proxy wars were just really starting to begin.
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There was the hope of being able to avoid stuff like Vietnam in the future.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Through UN action.
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Yeah, and it's entirely possible that at that point in time, had we had a one world government,
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maybe we wouldn't have done that.
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You sound like Charlie.
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Ah.
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So here's the, oh, Vietnam, Charlie, oh boy.
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Anyway, here's the next clip.
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I prefer spider leadership.
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In the next clip, Alex, I don't even know what point he's trying to make, but it doesn't
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work.
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Uh, here he is talking about man-made global warming in 1987.
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Here's Charles Manson.
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I tried to stop the Vietnam War, and I did it.
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And all the things I did, I did without breaking the law.
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Because your law, 1776, you got dead air.
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What the fuck?
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What the fuck?
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Why would you play that clip, Alex?
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What the fuck?
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Why would you do that?
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That's insane.
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And you said your slogan.
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So anyway, it goes on from here, but it is definitely worth stopping.
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Alex is the least self-aware person in the history of the world.
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He's really fucking lucky that it flashed away from his face on video, because there
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had to be a moment where he's like, uh-oh, I really should have listened to these clips
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before.
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Because what he's doing is he's just playing the clips that Paul Joseph Watson put in an
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article on Info Wars.
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You think Paul Joseph Watson is starting to troll Alex?
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He might be.
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I think that'd be fun.
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He might be working on an exit strategy.
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Yeah, I think that'd be smart of him.
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Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about how Charles Manson was an environmentalist,
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and he just cherry-picked these tiny little pieces from interviews without looking at
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the big picture.
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But anyway, listen to the rest of this fucking thing.
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We already got the 1776.
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Listen to how much he sounds like Alex throughout the rest of this.
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There's so much.
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Airplanes going 6,000 miles an hour, and you're reading books that was written on the back
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of horses.
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White papers.
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Why don't you tell the public what's really going on?
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White papers.
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Why don't you tell them the water is so bad the fish can't live in it?
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All right.
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Why don't you tell them that the polar traps are melting because you're creating so much
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heat with this machine?
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You see what I'm saying?
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1987 interview.
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He steadfastly refused to admit guilt or show any remorse for his actions.
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You won't face the fact that there's a holy war moving upon the planet Earth.
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You couldn't see the blood splattered all over the walls.
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Now you say you want to blame one guy for it.
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I've seen it.
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I witnessed it go by.
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I've seen the children, what they were trying to do, and I was sympathetic with them.
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But you might say I'm a devil in this respect, that I never broke will or entered into any
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one circle with breaking will in any respect whatsoever.
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Alex Jones constantly talks about free association.
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Wow.
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Whatsoever.
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I just watch this s*** flow downstream.
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From your words, as Mr. Emmons quotes him in this book, it's clear that you were guilty
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of murder, and yet he says in all his conversations with you, he never heard you express remorse.
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Have you never felt it?
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Remorse for what?
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You people have done everything in the world to me.
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Doesn't that give me equal right?
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I can do anything I want to you people at any time I want to, because that's what you've
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done to me.
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Alex believes that all of his actions are justified because of how evil the globalists
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are.
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Whatever they're doing is what they say we're doing.
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Yeah.
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If you spit in my face and smack me in the mouth and throw me in solitary confinement
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for nothing, what do you think is going to happen when I get out of here?
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What do you think is going to happen to you?
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The things that you create in here.
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That was.
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Time errors.
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So there you go.
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If you go out on the street and look at the Antifa people, or you look at the average
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leftist at the Hillary event that we just had a nice reporter out to cover, in her face,
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screaming at her, attacking her, flipping her off, grabbing the microphone, they all
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have that trashiness to that stupidity to them, that glaze in their eyes.
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There's nothing there.
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They're just kind of broadcasting the corrupt spirit of the world.
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They're not themselves.
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That's a great way to respond to that clip because he can't deal with the content of
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it at all without people being like, hold on now.
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I think the biggest reveal though is not all of the shit that he said that is exactly what
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Alex says.
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Right.
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Or very similar.
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Especially like that, you know, lick, if they come after me, I'll kick everybody's ass.
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And you're like, Alex, that's you.
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You have these-
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Flashback to him screaming at Adam Schiff.
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Yeah.
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You have these paranoid fantasies of somebody attacking you, which will then give you the
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right to do whatever it is you want.
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Right.
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Thunderdome.
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Yeah.
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The biggest thing though, that I felt was a huge reveal is, listen, I'm not a devil,
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but I'm a devil in some way.
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Right.
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And he talks about the evil in him.
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Exactly.
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Which is such an Alex thing of like, Hey, I'm not perfect.
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I have a, so I have evil inside of me and I'll tell you, that's how I know the good.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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That's to me so much of what Alex is.
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There's, there's so much there.
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And then also-
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All right.
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Quick question.
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Yeah.
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Did Charles Manson die?
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Yes.
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Or-
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Yes.
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Did he-
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No.
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Pretend to be Bill Hicks for a long time.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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And then pretend to be Alex Jones.
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Interesting.
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And he was then replaced by a DARPA spy.
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Okay.
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Let's actually go with Russian agent.
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Okay.
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Why not?
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Sure.
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Let's go with Russian agent who had a swastika tattooed on his forehead.
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That way he could differentiate himself from the real Charles Manson.
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So when the fake one dies, Charles Manson, who is now living as Alex Jones, goes onto
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his show and tries to rehab his image.
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Exactly.
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So it's an entirely new narrative.
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Exactly.
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Interesting.
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I think we found that they're saying the same shit.
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As realistic as anything Alex is saying on this episode.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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So Alex-
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Who's there?
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Is somebody there?
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It's me.
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It's Manson.
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Call me Charlie.
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Manson.
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Manson.
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Hold on a second.
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Call me Charlie.
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Why, why are you holding up a mirror right now?
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Alex, you're busted.
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Oh no.
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Haven't done that in a long time.
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That's been a while.
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So anyway, Alex, last week-
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Is there a reason we haven't done that one in a long time?
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I feel like there is.
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Got rusty.
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So last week, Alex Jones did a 36 hour marathon.
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Yes.
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Because he needed money.
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I recall.
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And-
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Money bomb!
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The people, some people made fun of him quite a bit.
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Vice did an article that we discussed that covered all of the wrong aspects of it.
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And it turns out Alex is going to do another marathon next week, mostly motivated out of
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spite.
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We're going to have a 34 hour live broadcast next week again because Vice and others didn't
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like this.
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We're going to do another one that's very popular.
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Got about a million and a half new listeners and viewers during that.
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So it's very, very successful to reach out to new people.
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We're going to start doing those since they don't like them and try to demoralize us.
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That's coming up on Monday.
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That's just, I need money.
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That's, I mean, there's no other-
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Why would you even try and hide it under that veneer of like, we're doing this not because
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I need money.
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Oh, it-
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We're doing this because I want to troll these assholes.
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To the chat room, I see a question.
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Those posters that are behind me are in fact the foods that should not eat to get ger.
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That is what those are, the old time Freezin' Point reference that'll never be explained.
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Yes.
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Actually, I think we did do an episode wherein we explained, or at least we talked about
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those.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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We're going to read the archives, policy wonks, and maybe you'll find eventually us talking
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about the food that you shouldn't eat to get ger.
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Now let me tell you, don't eat a pigeon with an ice lolly.
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It's a bad idea.
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It'll give you asthma.
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Let me tell you something, ice cream, ginger salad, dead.
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There's a bunch of things you can't eat with jinkle beans.
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I know that much.
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I don't know what a jinkle bean is, but anyway.
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I'll tell you this, I don't know what a mangosteen is.
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You know what a mangosteen is?
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What's a mangosteen?
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All I know is that maybe 12 years ago, Ludacris was on Twitter yelling about mangosteen, and
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Aziz Ansari was trying to get him to not take mangosteen.
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Apparently there's some danger, so we'll give you some.
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Anyway.
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I'm just a big fan of neem leaf and chicken egg giving you rheumatism.
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Give you rheumatism, man, don't fuck with it.
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So anyway, in this next, oh, we're done with Charles Manson, buddy.
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Oh, thank God.
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No, that's not a good thing.
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No, that's not a good thing?
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Are you sure?
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I'm not even going to introduce this clip.
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This is Mike down.
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And we have Simon Roche on who is a prominent activist and individual who's been exposing
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the massive white genocide in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, in many of these other African
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countries where everybody's now basically starving to death and they have epic Weimar
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Republic inflation because they've driven any infrastructure out.
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It's just a thing of conquest.
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So South Africans hold Black Monday protests over white farmer murders.
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That's Newsweek.
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Murders of white farmers sparked protests in South Africa.
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That's CBS News.
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Epidemic of South African farm murders continues as gunmen shoot elderly victims dead.
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Now, these are groups of ANC connected black communists doing it, but the whole Black Lives
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Matter thing.
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It's like international.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, boy.
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This is trouble.
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You can pick your mic back up now if you like.
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Alex has this guy, Simon Roche on to talk about white genocide in South Africa.
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You know, it's interesting.
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My girlfriend actually grew up in South Africa at the end of apartheid.
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She lived through the end of apartheid.
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Yeah.
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So I do not have any thoughts.
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I have no thoughts about it whatsoever.
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Well, good.
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Let's cheers.
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Jesus Christ.
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Oh, fucking Christ.
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The the call to even to even be like, hey, I can't believe black people are angry at
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white people in these countries.
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Look, the chrome plated balls on these fuckheads like this is this is astonishing, right?
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It's pretty it's pretty crazy.
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Look, look, here's what I want you to say, whatever you're about to say.
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But I also want you to know that the situation they're talking about specifically is crazier
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than you think.
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OK, but go ahead.
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All I'm going to say is if there is any place in the world where you could look at white
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genocide happening and be like, I guess that's fine.
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It would be those two places where you have a soft no, I'm a soft no.
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But in those two places, you've got to be a little bit like, OK, guys, you shouldn't
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do it.
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OK.
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But I get it.
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So Alex didn't read this article.
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Of course not.
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I'm going to read an article about this black was it Black Friday, Black Monday?
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Yes.
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That they whatever.
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Who cares?
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It is not at all what he's talking about, boy, and he is being misled by this guy who's
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coming on.
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Right.
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Who is a part of what would amount to a militia group for white people.
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That's not good.
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Yeah.
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Very heavily armed.
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And we'll get to some of their craziness here in a little bit, but I just read this article
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to you.
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So before you read it, just recap the story that we were told, which is that white farmers
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were killed, being slaughtered, were killed by ANC black militia groups, which is what
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Black Lives Matter.
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And he's implying a connection to Black Lives Matter worldwide.
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That is Alex Jones's interpretation.
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And I guarantee you that as Dan reads this article, it will line up perfectly with truth.
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This is an article from Al Jazeera here.
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Most white farmers across South Africa donned black clothing and gathered on motorways and
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roads in a procession of tractors and trucks to protest against what they described as
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a weak state response to farm murders.
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The racially charged protest, very few rallying were not white, comes days after two white
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farmers were sentenced to more than 10 years in jail for assaulting a black man in a case
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that has also stirred racial tensions.
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Interesting that that's what the protest was about, not what Alex is actually even describing.
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White commercial farmers have long complained that they bear the brunt of rising violent
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crime and say the government ignores their plight.
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So what do you think so far?
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What I think so far is that perhaps Alex did not read this article.
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I'm going to go on in the article.
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Earlier in 2017, Africa Check, which is a fact checking political organization, said
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since there were no reliable estimates on how many people were working and living on
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farms, it was close to impossible to calculate a farm murder rate.
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It also laid rest to accusations that a white genocide was unfolding in the country after
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Mike Cernovich, a prominent American white supremacist, tweeted in late 2016 that, quote,
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white genocide is real in South Africa.
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Here is an interesting other quote from a guy named Gareth Newham, who's the head of
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Governance, Crime and Justice Division.
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Again, even if it was, you'd kind of be like, I get it.
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So this guy, Gareth Newham, is the head of the Governance, Crime and Justice Division
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of the Pretoria-based Institute for Security Studies, quote, within the white farming community,
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there are white right wing sentiments and a belief that these attacks are orchestrated.
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And they've been lobbying European countries, which has only resulted in the politicization
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of the issue.
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But they think it's only them, and that's a mistake.
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Of course, their concerns vis-a-vis murders, violence, their concerns are serious, but
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they also need to appreciate that it is a national issue.
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Though claims of a white genocide continue to circulate on social media with memes calling
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on the world to act and stop whites being murdered en masse, these have been met mostly
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with ridicule by most South Africans.
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Last week, the South African Police Service released its annual stats of crime and found
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that there were more than 19,000 murders in the country or 34 murders per 100,000 people
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between 2015 and 2016.
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Not bad.
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Quote, if you want to ascertain through statistics who are the most likely to be murdered in
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South Africa, then those are young black males, Gareth Newham told Al Jazeera.
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What?
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For some bit of context, white South Africans make up 1.8% of the country's murders while
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being under 9% of the population.
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Statistically, they have a shockingly lower than expected murder rate.
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So Mike Cernovich.
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But thank God that one of our cast of lunatic characters saved the day by being a fucking
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racist pile of garbage.
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Right.
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I'm not sure.
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I don't have this article pulled up anymore, but I found a very interesting thing about
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this guy, Simon Roche.
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Apparently, what he has done, he is a part of a group called the Swede Landers, and I'm
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not pronouncing that correct.
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That's already, I'm already out.
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It means South Landers, and they are a group that is militarizing, they believe that a
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race war is coming and that they are going to be the victims of it.
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And so they're basically...
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So essentially he's having Charles Manson on his show.
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Yep.
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It's ironic on the day after Charles Manson dies.
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Of course.
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Okay.
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Here's the article.
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This is an article on a website called angrywhitemen.org, which is dedicated to tracking the connections
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within the white supremacist alt-right world.
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And it's...
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Oh, because it sounds like it could be a very different website.
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It could be on the other side of it.
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It's really interesting.
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I'll post a link up to it because I don't have time to go through all of it.
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But one of the things that's really fascinating is if you do the kind of research that this
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website has done, you see a very focused and intentional campaign on the part of Simon
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Roche and other members of the Swede Landers to approach really, really fucked up versions
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of the right wing and get them to try and publicize and fundraise for them to the extent
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that they even have a recording of a phone call.
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This guy...
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Man, I'm sorry, I really should have prepared this a little bit better.
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Does Simon Roche have a Afrikaner accent?
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He's South African, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So does he have an Afrikaner accent?
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I believe so.
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Yeah, it's a little...
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It's close to Australian even.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's very similar to the New Zealand accent.
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So I'll just read here from this blog, because this is specifically about Simon Roche.
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The founder of the Southern nationalist blog, Occidental Descent, Brad Griffin, has penned
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a number of inflammatory articles under the pseudonym Hunter Wallace.
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In 2012, for example, he wrote that, quote, Hitler was justified in conquering Norway
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and claimed that in 150 years, mass murderer Anders Breivik will be viewed as, quote, the
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European John Brown.
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Don't support Anders Breivik.
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That's rough.
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In a March 16th, 2017 post, Griffin wrote that he was contacted by a representative
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of the Swede Landers.
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He explained that he had received several calls from an unknown number.
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When he finally answered the phone, a gentleman by the name of Simon Roche introduced himself
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and informed him that an acquaintance passed Griffin's number to him.
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Later, he revealed that he accidentally recorded the conversation between him and Roche and
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posted the audio on his blog as proof.
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During the call, a portion of which is included here on this website, Roche explains that
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he and other Swede Landers are currently touring the U.S. as part of a fundraising mission.
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Roche says that he was hoping Griffin would cover the Swede Landers organization on his
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blog.
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Griffin agrees, telling Roche that he has, quote, written a few things about the crazy
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situation going on in Southern Africa.
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So there's a bunch of connections here that are intentionally made with white nationalist
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blogs.
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And that's not a coincidence.
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One thing that's really, it's really important to remember, and it's actually really hard
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to remember, is that apartheid didn't end a long time ago.
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Like I said, my girlfriend lived through the end of apartheid.
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She is not 40 years older than me.
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You do like them old, though.
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I do like them older, though.
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It's insane because, of course, listen to these, listen to these assholes.
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You can tell that it's that same white victimization that comes from them discovering, oh no, we
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don't run the world anymore.
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It's so much more fucked up than that.
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God damn you.
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So I'm going to finish this article in Al Jazeera, and then we'll jump back in to Alex's
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interview with him.
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OK.
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So Jillian Godsell, a lecturer at the Witt School of Governance, told Al Jazeera-
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Jillian?
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Is it with a G?
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It's a G.
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So it's probably Gillian.
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Jillian?
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Maybe.
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I don't care.
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Gillian.
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She told Al Jazeera that the claim of rising farm murders was a, quote, proxy for something
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else.
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Quote, I don't think this is about murders.
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The number of deaths, we don't know if there are whites or black farmers who were killed.
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Some say 30 percent of those murdered were black workers.
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People seem to be grieving for much more than these deaths.
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People are grieving about change in this country.
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Yeah.
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The end of apartheid.
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Now here are two things that are very, very relevant.
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A lot of these farmers were flying apartheid-era flags.
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Who would have guessed?
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That is not about farm rights or whatever.
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Again.
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That is about wanting to go back to a status quo wherein you had all the power over another
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group of people.
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Again, even if it was a white genocide, you'd be like, I get it.
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Here is another fact and a stat that is very important.
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According to a recent land audit, white southern Africans are 8.9 percent of the population,
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and they own 73 percent of the agricultural land.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Still.
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Yeah.
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Still.
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That's a very, very important thing.
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That's fucked up.
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In that, even at the end of apartheid, the compassion that was shown to this very, very
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small minority.
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Yep.
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It's ridiculous.
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God.
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I mean, again.
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It's absurd.
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Look, one of the reasons I'm a soft no on white genocide is because of that.
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Every time that white people have finally had to relinquish all of the power and only
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had most of the power, they've been treated with such, such compassion.
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It's bananas.
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Yep.
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So all that stuff-
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Which they would never have shown.
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No.
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Which they have historically never shown.
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No.
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Not when they needed to.
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I like how I'm calling white people they.
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Right.
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Well-
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I think at this point I've proven that I'm a self-hating white person.
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Right.
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But the issue comes down to that this is not about any kind of idea of white genocide.
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No.
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It's not about farmer murders.
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No.
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And I actually looked it up.
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Even the reported statistics that they can find about farmers that are murdered are down.
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The peak of them were in the late 90s.
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Well, in the same way that crime in the United States has been significantly dropping ever
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since the 60s.
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Yeah.
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It has been consistent, and yet one of the easiest ways to stoke white fear is by acting
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as though crime slash black crime-
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Right.
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Is what's really causing all of your issues.
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The knockout game.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's all the same bullshit.
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This whole thing.
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Even the protest as Alex described it is that this is against the murders of farm workers-
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It's not.
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And the protest was about white people hurting people and how that should be fine.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's these white people went to prison and we don't like it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Of course.
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Because they were just fighting back against this-
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Of course.
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Nonsense.
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And again, as that article made very clear, and I completely agree with it, the concern
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over violence and murder rates are real.
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That's something that's real, but personalizing it and making it your victim narrative is
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wrong because it's a national problem.
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Right.
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And statistically as it's shown there, 1.8% of the murders are white people.
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And it's the same thing here.
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The statistics are not interracial murder as an issue.
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Generally speaking, murder is within each-
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You're on cohort.
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If you're a white person, you're 90% plus likely to be murdered by a white person.
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Generally people you know have to be murdered.
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Yeah.
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So, great.
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Anyway, this interview is hot garbage and so I haven't included most of it.
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Thank you.
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We don't need to listen to this fucking asshole.
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Thank God.
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But here is Alex saying one of the worst things ever.
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But I mean, explain what's happening there when we come back from break and the emergency
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plan because as you said, already South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the
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world.
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It's collapsing.
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Fuck you.
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The populations are just killing each other en masse.
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People believe if you rape a baby, if you have HIV, that it makes you well.
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I mean, it's just descending back into absolute barbarism.
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And I got to ask you, why not just evacuate?
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And then it's very sad these folks will all just kill each other.
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For whatever reason.
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It's very, very sad.
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We'll be right back.
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Stay with us.
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Fuck you with your very, very sad nonsense, Alex.
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Hey, white people evacuate.
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Right.
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Evacuate.
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Yeah.
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That's his argument.
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Yeah.
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You know what that argument is very similar to?
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And then the black people will just kill each other because they can't control themselves.
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Exactly.
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You know what that argument is very similar to?
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Nazi church?
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Exactly.
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No, no, no.
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Look, we don't want to cleanse the racists anymore.
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We just think that Europe should be for Europeans.
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Africa for the Africans.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So white people evacuate to Europe.
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That's almost in reverse.
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That's literal white nationalism.
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That's literal white nationalism.
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That's ethno states.
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That is nonsense.
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Also, if you want to talk about rape issues in Africa, do you want to know the largest
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number of rape cases and what causes those rape cases?
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Do you want to know?
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Hey, everyone.
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Well, Jordan explains this.
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It's for beer.
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The significant issue with rape in Africa is it's not fucking racial or child-based.
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It's religious.
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It's Christianity.
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It's a Christianity that was spread by, you guessed it, Americans going over there because
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... Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry, Dan.
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This is something that really fucking pisses me off.
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I know.
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Because when-
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We've talked about it in the past.
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Okay.
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I'm sorry.
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No, no.
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I'm sorry.
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It's a point that's worth bringing up.
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That fucking brand of Christianity, that fucking-
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And that narrative is whack.
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Homophobic brand of Christianity was no longer as accepted, even though it's still very accepted
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here.
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When it was no longer as accepted, those fuckers decided, nah, nah, nah, nah.
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You know what?
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We're going to go to Africa and we're going to run that fucking place.
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It's kind of like what the pilgrims did here.
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I know.
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Fucking infuriating.
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How dare you?
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Hold on.
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The chat room made a really good point.
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What's that?
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I have neighbors.
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Fair enough.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm actually more sorry to the chat room than I am to you, Dan.
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I did think that that was probably one of the things that was going to set you off the
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most.
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And just the-
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I'm so fucking predictable.
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Just the fucking idea that Alex wouldn't have the wherewithal, wouldn't have the awareness,
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the knowledge, the self-reflection to know what he was saying.
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I don't believe that.
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I don't believe he would be so glib and loose lipped as to say, I don't know, white people
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just leave and the blacks kill each other.
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He knows what he's saying.
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That's not a stray comment.
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And guess what?
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That's a big part of the Sweetlanders sort of ideology.
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They know, or no, they believe that at some point they're going to have to evacuate, especially
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the cities.
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That's part of why they go around and raise tons of money because they need to have enough
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fuel and they need to have guns and all that shit.
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So Alex is having this guy on and he's not reading the articles or the statistics or
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anything about the underpinnings of the argument, but he knows who this guy is to some extent.
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He has to.
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Or at least he's gotten a call from Cernovich or one of these guys and been like, you got
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to talk to this guy.
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He's up on shit.
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Tommy Robinson gave him a call or some shit.
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As did Tommy Davidson.
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The Sweetlanders are big in the pazones.
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Every time you say Tommy Robinson, I think of that.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Interesting thought experiment.
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Also, to the chat room.
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Roommates are okay.
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The people who live upstairs from me, probably not great.
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I'm sorry about that.
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I think they have children.
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I'm sorry.
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I thought that was the Airbnb assholes.
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Not always.
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It's only 923.
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They can deal with some dealing.
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It's not like it's a weeknight.
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Okay.
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Good point.
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I have to work tomorrow morning too.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Thought experiment.
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Right.
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If you are a white nationalist, what if we just gave you a nation?
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Because in all honesty, think about this very seriously.
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You can have French Guiana.
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Like very seriously.
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Or Guiana.
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Where did Jim Jones go?
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You can have that place.
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It's cursed.
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Yeah.
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I mean, in reality, most white people aren't white nationalists.
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True.
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White people are, at the very least, some sort of latent racist.
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There's no way to completely wash out my implicit bias.
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There's constantly conceptions that you need to...
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Yeah.
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You have to continue to reevaluate yourself as you go through this.
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So I experience certain forms of racism within me and I go, oh, fuck me.
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Sure.
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You know, like that kind of shit.
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It's just from the way that you were raised and the culture that you're raised in.
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So the people who are out and out white nationalists, if their argument is when we leave, we'll
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just let them kill each other.
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All honesty.
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If we let them leave, wouldn't those people just wind up killing each other?
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They'd probably find a new version of separation.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Like blue eyes and green eyes or something like a hair color or something.
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Those are the type of people who are going to get into a small group and then go, well,
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we're not racially pure enough.
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Right.
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There needs to be some new division that needs to come up.
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There always is a fight.
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In the same way that Alex Jones won the presidency, quote unquote, and still has to be the victim,
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the white nationalists will go and have their own country and they'd still be like, got
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to scapegoat that ginger over there.
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When your entire ideology is based on purity, then there is always going to be an escalation
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of what purity is, because purity can never exist without the impure.
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And that's always the issue there.
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They're always going to try and continue to escalate their purity and find that perfect
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little diamond of white until everybody's dead but the one guy.
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So if their argument is everybody else is going to kill each other once we leave, let's
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let them leave.
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And then when they kill each other, we'll be like, ha ha, I got you guys, you're the
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ones who are dumb.
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Yeah.
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I mean, no matter what, we can just put a pin in it with this is intense bigotry.
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And Alex Jones, like, there's no leg to stand on in terms of not harboring white nationalist
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opinions and beliefs, pretending that he doesn't know that his audience vibes with that.
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Very white nationalist.
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Or that the guests that he has on.
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Very white nationalist.
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So let's get the taste out of our mouth real quick.
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Here's a commercial.
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God, you have curated these to bring me up and then down.
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It's like a Chuck Mangione song.
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So you're playing me like a drum solo.
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That's what you're doing right now.
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So this is from a commercial where he reads reviews of the products from the website.
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All right.
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Now I'm having fun.
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And this, I want to throw something every time I hear this.
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It plays like three times per episode at this.
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This little snippet is just like, fuck you, Alex.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Continuing with silver bullet, the highest quality, 30 parts per million colloidal silver
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out there.
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Dale should be called magic bullet.
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Oh my gosh.
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The listeners are smarter than me and I'm not being patronizing.
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I've been become, that's what a silver bullet is supposed to be though.
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Our listeners are so much smarter than me.
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Every time he does that, I'm not trying to brag.
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I'm not being patronizing.
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It's like, I'm not being patronizing, but that's kind of what a silver bullet is.
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Exactly what you're doing.
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Jesus.
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What a dick.
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What a fucking asshole.
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He's just being a dick to his own audience who write these reviews for him.
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It's so weird how it seems as though he bumps in and out of self-awareness.
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Like he's the least self-aware.
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That's out.
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I feel like though he has to, on some level, know that he's trolling when he says that
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because he's doing, he's doing the, I'm not trying to brag.
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I think he's rushing.
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Cause this is one take Jones.
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Okay.
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He doesn't have time to record this.
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This is L Ron Hubbard, first draft, last draft, get it out the door, baby.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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So now let's get back to this South African Swedelander.
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Great.
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So Jordan, you might think,
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What might I think, Dan?
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This is so, this is so hard for me because I know what's coming.
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This is very hard for me.
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Here's the problem.
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You've built this up so much.
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I almost have to not get angry in response to that.
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No, this won't, this won't make you mad.
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Oh, okay.
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This we've, this is just going to baffle me.
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The fever has broken in terms of this part.
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Okay.
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There's something else that'll make you mad later.
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But in terms of the South African stuff, I think we're in the clear.
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And now we just,
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Does he ever say Swedelander?
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He does.
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And it's not pronounced like that.
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It's like Sufflander or something like that.
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That's what I was,
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It's S U I D.
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I just don't, I don't know how to pronounce it.
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I don't care.
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I don't care to respect them either.
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Quite frankly.
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Fuck em.
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Fair enough.
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So you might think that their beliefs are based on, I don't know, misinterpreted history.
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You might think that they're based on pure racial hatred.
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No, you might think that they're based on any number of things.
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I kind of think they're based on Denny's placemats.
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You could never guess what they're based on.
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Okay.
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You know, we, we hold to a series of, of prophecies that said this, this crisis, the prophecies
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given a hundred years ago will occur at a time when a man with a place scale faith,
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that is to say here, resembling a week will be in power in the United States.
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And he will take over the reins of power from a black man.
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And there are various other things I won't go on and on and on about it, but the point
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is that we are devoted to an ancient culture and ancient, I want to hear about this prophecy.
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A man with a wig, Alex Jones has a guy on his show who's motivated to make a militia.
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To be fair, Simon Roche is not in charge of the group.
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He's not in charge of the group, but who wrote that prophecy and why doesn't he have all
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of our money?
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Okay.
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Because that is the most specific prophecy I have ever heard in my entire life.
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This guy's name is Nicholas Peter Johannes, uh, Jones to Rendsburg, also known as Sienna
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von Rendsburg, which is the seer of Rendsburg.
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Okay.
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I've done a bunch of, a bit of research into him.
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Okay.
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Let me give you the broad.
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I, I, Dan, do not ruin this for me.
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That man is unequivocally a genius.
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If he wrote that prophecy, that is the most brilliant thing anyone has ever done.
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I believe in clairvoyance right now, Dan.
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I found a book of his prophecies.
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Okay.
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He's got a book of prophecies.
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Are you still, when was, when did he live?
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He's a hundred years ago.
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Uh, yeah, he died in 1926.
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And he's still writing books of, they were still writing books of prophecies back then?
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Someone collected something or other.
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I'm in.
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I'm in.
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I believe in this.
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I can't find that prophecy.
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I will tell you that.
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This one might be Simon riffing.
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This one I cannot find.
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When a man with the hair of a, uh, looks like a wig, takes over for a black man.
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I will give you one.
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Here's one of his 1916, August, 1916.
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Here's one of his prophecies.
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I see a terrified woman in black.
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And the interpretation of that is the death and destruction of communism, uh, coming to
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the West.
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It's that level of prophecy.
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That's reading into it real hard.
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It's that, it's that much of a stretch.
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Yeah, but I mean, if he got the, if he got the dude with the wig taking over for a black
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man.
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Again.
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I can't find that.
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Dan, let me believe.
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I don't believe in ghosts.
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I don't believe in God.
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I want to believe in this almost certainly racist pile of garbage.
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Well here's the deal.
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So he, uh, was a South African guy and African or yeah.
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And he was involved in, uh, you know, some, he was involved in the bore war.
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That's not good.
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I'm sure he was on the right side of that.
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I'm not sure if he was.
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I don't think so.
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But he was sort of not, he was not a good soldier and he had these visions and so he
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got sent home and then he came back to try and warn people and he gained sort of a reputation
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for being right.
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He had some hunches about military stuff and he ended up being right about some stuff.
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Which is what you could do with any amount of basic research.
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You could, you could.
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Especially in the bore war.
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You could certainly.
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That was one of the dumber wars in history.
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Nobody did a good job in that war.
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I don't want to get too into his, his whole history because it just, there's not a ton
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of information that I could find and, uh, it, it's all, it's all cockamamie bullshit.
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It's all just like, it's hearsay from the people who want to support him.
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But like, we know, uh, again, that the wig, the wig replacing a black man, I cannot find
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that takes over for a black man.
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I cannot find that prophecy, but also my Afrikaner accent dead on.
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So here's the thing that, uh, is interesting throughout most of his prophecies.
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Just real quick, the way to an Afrikaner accent, just say Blake, that's all you have to do.
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You've got it.
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Great.
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Nailed it.
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Girlfriend teach you that?
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No.
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Okay.
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Um, I got in a year.
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Okay.
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You're like an Alex Jones of impressions.
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So, um, this guy was an Afrikaner, uh, in, he died in 1926.
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He was making predictions through up to his death.
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One of the pretty consistent threads throughout a lot of his prophecies were about the rise
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of Germany.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, if he made them before 1930 in a positive light as a good thing, not just
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like a, Hey, these white dudes are going to fucking rise.
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No, no, no.
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As a, like a, a very positive thing.
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Okay.
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Did he get the dates right?
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No, he didn't have any dates, but the thing that's the problem with prophecy, why I don't
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believe in it.
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The interpretation that's given of a lot of it is that like the U S and Germany will have
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to be on the same side in world war three.
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That's a way of getting around the idea that it had anything to do with world war two.
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Ah, but you saw there at the end, I mean, and again, if you do some basic research,
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you could have expected that the U S would have joined the Wayne would have joined Germany
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in world war two.
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Sure.
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It is kind of surprising.
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If you look at the United States history to see us on the right side of history.
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So this guy named Gustav Mueller, uh, he was a guy who was in the, uh, the service in,
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uh, in South Africa as it were, uh, back in the, back in the day, uh, he's still alive
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now.
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Uh, he started the Swede Landers based on a lot of the prophecies of this CNR do Rendsburg.
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Say that one more time.
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He started this extremist religious group called, uh, D how do you pronounce D I E in
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German?
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Uh, I D D D D Swede Landers.
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Okay.
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Uh, he started that as a paramilitary, uh, uh, non connected to a state, uh, uh, action
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group in order to protect white people in South Africa based on prophecies from this
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guy.
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Based on prophecies.
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Yes.
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And now they're representative who has spent a lot of time contacting alt-right figures
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in the United States for fundraising purposes is a guest on Alex Jones's show.
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This is crazy.
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So now Gustav Mueller, I, you know, there's a certain part of me that's always jealous.
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Like imagine being the type of person who would join a group because it's based off
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prophecy.
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See, now this is where, this is where my sort of dysfunction comes into play.
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I thought you were jealous of me getting to discover these things because it's kind of
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fun.
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Not at all.
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It's kind of fun.
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Like looking into big, Oh my God.
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Again, I want to, I want to live in a world where this is not anywhere near me.
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I want to talk to you about Gustav Mueller.
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See that's a sentence I would never want to say.
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I found an article from a South African newspaper.
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That's like being like, let me tell you something about the Unabomber.
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He had some good ideas.
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So Gustav Mueller in January of September, 2008, I'm sorry, January, 2008, he was in
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court.
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Uh, I will, I will read, I will read this.
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Uh, Mueller was arrested on December 13th, 2007 at a caravan park in Mosul Bay.
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He had been on the run from police for being in possession of an illegal submachine gun.
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His two co-accused Hank Dupreeze and Suene Burger are currently held on respective bails.
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Mueller has been remanded in custody until January 21st for a formal bail application.
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The Swedelanders shot to public notice last year as the organization behind the Nelson
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Mandela hoax emails feverishly circulated on the internet.
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Do you know what he's talking about?
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This article is talking about?
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No.
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There were a bunch of emails, uh, there were a hoax that went around purporting to be from
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Nelson Mandela's widow and she had a large inheritance that she needed to get out of
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the country.
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It was the Nigerian scam.
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The Swedelanders did that, but just with Nelson Mandela.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Dan, why are, why are idiots so much better at fundraising than we are?
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What's fascinating is Alex talks about how he's had friends who got tricked by the Nigerian
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emails and now he has a guy who's part of an organization that did the same thing to
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me.
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Yeah, but they were tricked by black people.
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That's bad.
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Oh my God.
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He's tricked by white people.
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You can defend that.
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This is so insane.
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Like I don't, I don't understand.
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I just don't get it.
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This is, there's so many problems with this guest and white genocide fears are maybe the
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least of them.
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I mean, they're the most important, they're the, they're the most evil, at least the only
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real, they're the least, they're the, that's the least, I don't know.
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I don't know what to tell you somehow.
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I was about to say that's the least dumb one.
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As if being afraid of white genocide is the least dumb of those things.
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It's far more reasonable to be, Jordan said reasonable.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And the chat room is about to agree with me.
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It's far more reasonable to follow somebody based on prophecy than it is to believe that
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white genocide is going to happen.
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But when the two come together, Oh, it's, it's chocolate and peanut butter baby.
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That's what it is.
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You heard at the end of that clip, uh, the last one, it's been a little while now, but
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you heard at the end of that last clip, Alex being like, Oh, I'm excited.
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I want to hear about this prophecy.
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And so he tells him more about the prophecy and again, I can't find that prophecy with
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the wig.
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Well, in this, again, I agree with Alex.
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I am excited to hear more about this prophecy.
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Well, Alex takes a turn in this next clip.
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That is such a specific prophecy and for it to come true.
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Even better.
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I don't think it's real.
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Delightful.
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I don't think it's real.
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Of course it's not real.
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What are you talking about?
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And further when he elaborates on it, he just repeats it.
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He doesn't, there's nothing new in it.
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Um, but Alex's interest in this prophecy is a little bit self-serving.
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I'll tell you, the reason I listen to stuff like this, there's a lot of false promises.
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The Bible say who go out and put out this info, but people like this, where it's been
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proven right over and over again, it's incredible.
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And I personally haven't had like full on deals like this, but I've had experiences,
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dreams and things that came true exactly later.
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So that's why I know how real this stuff is.
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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So Alex.
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I mean, we've talked about this before.
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He thinks he has prophetic dreams.
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I know.
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That's nuts.
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But the idea that he goes on his radio show and is like, oh, that's a great prophecy.
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Let me tell you about someone.
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Mine is fantastic.
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I love it.
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To be fair, he didn't get specific about his weird dreams.
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Of course not.
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But man, oh man.
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So we've now reached the end of the Swedelander portion of the show.
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Thank God.
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So Alex has one more guest on the show and it's generally someone we don't like to talk
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about.
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PJ Dubs?
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No.
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Stefan Molyneux.
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Oh no.
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Stefan Molyneux, as we know, is the host of Free Domain Radio, which is essentially a
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cult.
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And there are support groups of people who have had to break free of it.
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As we've discussed, he encourages people to break ties with people who are abusive, sub-averse
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of people.
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Yeah.
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As Scientologists.
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Suppressive people.
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Suppressive.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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The defooing, as it were.
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He also, as we've played in the past, that clip where he says that women were to blame
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for Elliot Rogers' attack, his shooting spree, because they didn't fuck him.
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He's that sort of...
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He is the worst.
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Hey, you want to know when my extended family knew I was born?
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Stefan Molyneux told them?
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No.
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Oh.
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Until after I was born, because they cut off all contact with my extended family.
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When my family was in the cult, nobody knew.
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You got defooed, baby.
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Nobody in my family knew that I was even there.
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So yeah, this is going to hit home yet again.
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Yeah.
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So he has Stefan Molyneux on to talk about a load of bullshit, and I don't want to get
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into it.
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I mean, we're already coming in at about an hour forty in the show.
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Maybe our live shows are shorter than our long-form podcasts.
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We don't have specific time to get into all the stuff, and because Stefan Molyneux talks
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a fucking mile a minute, he's a piece of garbage, but here he says something that I think is
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really scary, and I kind of agree with, but if you understand the kind of code he's using,
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I agree with him.
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They have missed the opportunity to crush us.
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You've been doing this longer than I have.
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I've been doing it for about eleven years in a public sphere, many years before that
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in a private sphere.
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Back in the day, they tried to smash me down.
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Back in the day and continually, they tried to smash you down, but it's too late.
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We have become too big.
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There are too many interconnected people.
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There are too many networks.
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There are too many freedom lovers who are supporting each other.
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Now if they try and smash people down, all they do is raise the profile.
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In other words, what I'm saying is the Liberty virus, my friends, has gone airborne.
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It can no longer be contained, and that means that it's a wonderful opportunity for everyone
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out there.
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Please do not view the liberation of Western civilization as a spectator sport.
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Do not sit there passively in your chair, thumbing your remote, and hoping that other
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people are going to save the world for you.
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We have passed the tipping point.
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The Overton window has gone so far now that what was impossible before has become commonplace
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now.
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What was radical before has become commonplace now.
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So when you take it in context and what he's talking about with the Overton window moving
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that far and what's radical, I mean, he's just talking about-
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White nationalism.
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Yeah.
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I disagree with that.
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What do you mean?
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I mean, as like the idea that white nationalism is new, or that this is-
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No, no, no.
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It's newly acceptable.
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I disagree.
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No, no, no.
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I think to the extent it is now-
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I disagree.
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I don't think that years ago you could have a network full of mainstreamed people making
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these sorts of arguments.
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I don't think you could.
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I disagree.
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Okay.
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Please make your case.
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Okay.
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I think the biggest- I think what you're mistaking is that this is mainstreamed in a new way.
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I think one of the big issues that people are discovering is that one of the problems
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with white nationalism is that for so long it was assumed.
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It wasn't something that was publicized or talked about because everybody just assumed
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you were a white nationalist, because it was such a normal thing to be.
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Like again, go back to-
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I think there's a thin line between white nationalism and white supremacy.
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I mean, I disagree.
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Fine.
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I disagree.
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Go back to-
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I think there's a geographical aspect.
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Okay.
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Give me a decade in American history.
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Give me a decade.
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1850s.
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All right.
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White nationalism reigns supreme.
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Scientific controllers.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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I mean, what do you think is the most recent decade where white nationalism wasn't mainstream?
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I don't disagree to some extent with what you're saying, but I disagree in the sense
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that these ideas were okay to make money off of and speak out on platforms that reached
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millions of people.
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Okay.
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I mean, maybe the millions of people-
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I'm talking about the media less than the message.
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I mean, when?
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Stefan Molyneux and Alex Jones would not be allowed on television in the past or in the
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present because of public decency standards.
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That's why they've created their own places, their own weird corners of the internet where
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white supremacists and white nationalists gather and have built up their fan bases to
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the extent they have.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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I don't know.
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I think historically-
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I do.
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Okay.
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Fair enough.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if Walter Cronkite was a secret white nationalist.
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I have no idea.
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Okay.
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That's a good point.
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But to me, one of the big problems that I have with the way that we are, or maybe the
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way that the media is covering it now, is the idea that this is some kind of explosive-
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Right.
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New issue.
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I agree.
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And I would say that this is the exact same percentage of the population that has always
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been white nationalists.
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In fact, I would say this is a lower percentage of the population that is white nationalists
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than it was 20 years ago.
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It's possible.
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But it's just so much louder, and the signal is so much more amplified because of the internet,
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not because of a greater number of the population experiencing or having these feelings or leanings.
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Let's put a pin in that for a second, because that's possible.
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Okay.
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What I would like to more respond to, and when I said that I kind of agree with what
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he's saying if you just speak in code-
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No, no, no.
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I understand why you said that.
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Yeah.
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What really got to me in that rant is the freedom virus has gone airborne.
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Right.
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The white nationalist virus has gone airborne.
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Well, no, because I always conceive of this globalist idea as kind of a brain virus.
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The idea of the globalist, which is just antisemitism, is a brain virus that gets into you, and you
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start to interpret the entire world through this prism.
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And that's why you can think that the British were in charge of the entire world colonially
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in 1850 when that's not the reality at all.
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You pretend like, oh, it's secretly they were, or whatever.
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Any number of examples through Alex Jones' rose-colored glasses, you can pretend, oh,
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the globalists were doing that.
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Charles Manson, earlier in the episode, you can just create an entire new narrative for
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him based on what the globalists were secretly doing.
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Right.
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And to that extent, I believe Stéphane Malinu is correct.
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His version of freedom lover is one who believes in archaic antisemitic beliefs couched in
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an idea of the globalists.
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Yeah.
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Because Stéphane Malinu's on that tip too, or at least he isn't, and as much as when
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he's on Alex's show, he is.
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Right, right, right.
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And when he's not, he's an anarcho-capitalist who's a fucking mess.
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And again, as we have gone through over and over again, regardless of whether or not that
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is something that is central or specific to your otherwise point of view, if you go on
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Alex's show, you just agree with him and say the shit that he wants to hear in order to
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get your perspective, a higher view count.
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I'm not giving him any credit because I also hate him, but I believe Anthony Cumiya has
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said stuff to that extent.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't really buy into a lot of the bullshit, but he's a bigot and he wants to get his voice
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out there.
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But to my point, again, you know, apartheid ended-
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94?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Not long ago.
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Yeah.
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And when apartheid ended, there was a huge population in the United States who was like,
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that is wrong.
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It ended, yeah.
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There was a huge population in the United States that supported apartheid and thought,
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again, that it was the only way to contain and control black people's inherent urges,
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as if that was a thing.
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Sure.
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Well, I mean, that's even implicit in Alex's own-
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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That they're just going to kill each other thing.
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But to me, I think what's really new is the idea that there are so many people who are
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shocked by it.
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To me, that's what I find to be a new development.
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Interesting.
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That is such a large problem because, and that's part of the rewriting of the American
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legend is the idea that every time we go back through our history, we rewrite how it is
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that we thought most people felt.
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So many people in the United States now imagine themselves, were they in the sixties, they
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would have supported Martin Luther King Jr.
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And you have to go back and remember that the polls on that were far less than 30%.
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So to me, the newest idea is that people are on the side of, you're wrong.
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It's just that their voices are so loud because of the internet.
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Maybe that's the inevitable response to the mainstreaming of these voices is you have
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more people who are shocked and they realize this has been here all along.
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It's like tearing open your wall and finding out there's mold in there.
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There's so many bugs escaping when you pull that rock up.
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And I think that's what we're really doing.
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And that's why this, there's an argument to be made that I don't necessarily agree with,
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but it is that when these people do come out because their signal is so loud, so many people
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do examine themselves and go, that is wrong.
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So if you are going to say, you know, is it a, I'm not going to argue that it's a good
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thing that their voices are so loud right now, but it is something that has made a lot
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of people who otherwise would have assumed their racism as being okay, actually examined
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that their racism is not okay because they see these fucking assholes doing it.
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There's an argument to be made there.
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But also, I think the other thing that I think Stefan Molyneux is correct about is the idea
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that there's too many interconnected networks now of these people who are self-reinforcing
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and reinforcing each other.
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I agree with that.
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Like if someone were to attack Stefan Molyneux, Alex would defend him and Cernovich would
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defend him and Jack Basobiec would defend him.
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Rebel Media, if they still even exist, or Gavin McGinnis, Laura Loomer, all of these
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people would come with their social media followings and try and make it the biggest
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story in the world.
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And in a way that if they weren't a team all together, it wouldn't work.
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To continue my metaphor, in this regard, when you pull up that rock, all the bugs don't
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scatter.
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They're all connected and they're ready to fight you.
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It's a rat king.
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It's a rat king.
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That's what we have discovered.
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We have discovered a nest of rats who are fucking unified, which is terrifying.
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It's not great.
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So Stefan Molyneux can fuck himself.
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But also, there's one last clip that I pulled from him.
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And it's fun, because he's stupid, and he's trying to sound smart, and it'll be fun to
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make fun of him because he's so stupid.
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So the most important thing I think in this area, Alex, is something called the Pareto
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principle, which everyone needs to become familiar with.
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And the Pareto principle goes something like this.
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The square root of the number of people produces half the value of that group.
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So if you've got nine people, three people are producing half the value, right?
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If you have 100 people, 10 people, if you have 10,000 people in a company, 100 people
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are producing half the value.
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Now, if you have a company...
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I want to stop already.
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The Pareto principle is based on the idea of the 80-20 rule, where 80% of your outcome
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or output comes from 20% of your input.
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It was a guy in Italy who was stumbling around and realized that 80% of the land was owned
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by 20% of the people.
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And that's how he came up with this observation, and people have universalized it in a very
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bad way.
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Right, right.
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So it's not even about square roots.
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If you apply science, you go, well, that's fucking dumb.
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Well, but even his numbers are wrong, and he's telling everyone to get familiar with
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it.
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He's telling everyone to get familiar with them all.
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Where smart people start to leave, for whatever reason, then the smartest people leave, it
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means that the company productivity goes down enormously.
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If you get the top 100 people leaving, okay, you still have 9,900 workers in a 10,000 worker
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company, but half your productivity is gone.
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This is why people become rich and other people are middle class, other people are poor, there's
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a bell curve of productivity.
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Think of the third world.
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Western civilization rests on the brains, hearts, minds, and muscle of maybe 2,000 people,
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maybe 2,000 people who innovated, who reasoned, who took risks, who scientifically, philosophically,
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economically moved us all forward.
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In the third world, there are a small number of people who can reform the third world and
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make it into a better place.
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Now, if the West comes along with the giant immigration suction machine, hoovers those
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people up from the third world, then if the top 1% of smart people from the third world
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end up in the first world, what happens?
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The third world becomes catastrophically worse, and that means the next tier of people are
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desperate to get out and make it to the first world.
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And then the third tier of people and we end up with a complete disaster and everyone migrating
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to Europe, the destruction of the welfare state, the undermining of Western civilization,
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all because the West could not resist the temptation of having instant taxpayers hoover
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in from the third world and gave up on having children of their own.
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Absolutely beautifully said.
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The whole revolution...
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Absolutely beautifully said on Alex's response there.
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I mean, and it's fitting that he ends it with ideas about white breeding, because it's what
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it comes down to.
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But I mean, you nailed it.
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The point I wanted to make is this is just washed over Ayn Rand bullshit.
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And he's even misrepresenting the Pareto principle in order to apply it to this weird Ayn Randian
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vision of...
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And let's really be fucking clear about this.
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This idea that these 100 people at this company are responsible for half of the productivity
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is a cockamamie nonsense idea.
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That idea...
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And if you want to apply it on a macro scale to civilization that only these 2,000 people
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are really responsible for the productivity, no, it's not.
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They are the ones who are running the system wherein everyone is working super hard for
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nothing.
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Yeah.
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Do you want to...
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You get rid of those fucking people.
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Do you want to go through what really happens?
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What really happens is you find out that those fucking CEOs and those fucking idiots mean
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nothing.
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Right.
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They are worthless.
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Yeah.
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This is what happens...
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I want to say this.
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This is what happens when you see...
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Like the easiest examples for that are the NBA strikes.
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Sure.
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Like the owners imagine that it's because they control the league.
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If the players actually have a strong union, all of a sudden you find out, oh, we don't
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actually need those fuckers at all.
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No.
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We're the ones who provide revenue and they fucking suck blood off of it.
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So in that...
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If you want to go by blood libel bullshit.
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In that example, 80% is creating 80% of the productivity in the basketball team.
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I would argue that 80% is creating 100% of the value.
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No, not really, because they're all the people who are like maintaining the court and running
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concessions and what have you.
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Oh, no.
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No, I get...
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There's a great deal of other people who are just forgotten in his stupid fucking calculus.
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But I'm lumping them in with the players.
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Sure.
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They wouldn't be in that union though.
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That's the biggest issue.
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They'd be a different union.
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They should be in that union.
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Different union.
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Like the entire...
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Concessionist union.
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But that gets me back again to a...
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I feel like we should have a universal union at this point.
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I don't give a fuck about governments.
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I think we...
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Like just a workers union?
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I think we generally need a workers union.
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Like...
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It's called socialism.
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Imagine if we could collectively...
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That's kind of what that is.
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Right?
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Imagine if we could collectively bargain with the rich.
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Like that's ostensibly what a democracy is supposed to be.
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It's supposed to be a large group of people collectively bargaining with the rich.
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Well, that's one of the nice things...
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With what you would call the ruling class.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, that's one of the nice things that we're starting to see out of the world
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today is some sort of, you know, connection between unions and them supporting each other
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much in the same way that Stefan Molyneux and Alex Jones support each other.
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Well, the problem is we're not seeing that.
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Union membership continues to fall.
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No, but that's true.
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But at the same time, there are connections being made between various unions supporting
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each other.
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I don't know.
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The most recent things that I read about the AFL-CIO, which is supposed to be that, is
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that everyone is confused as to why union membership is dropping, even as they don't
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realize that they're not doing any outreach.
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And that the big issue...
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The big issue from the rich.
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And the big issue within those unions often comes down to job specific unions.
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Like pipe fitters unions should strike if, you know...
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Masons.
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I mean like bricklayers.
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Yeah.
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No, I know.
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Or the largest unions are car manufacturing unions.
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Like if the car manufacturers union strikes, pipe fitters should strike.
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And all of a sudden you start to see a lot of things change.
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Like one of the biggest issues is that as unions fall, wages fall.
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And nobody fucking talks about that, which is the only thing people should fucking talk
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about with labor.
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Because the talking point is so much easier that you have to pay dues and all that stuff,
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which is so much more of an immediate concern that people have that it makes it feel like
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I will make less money not looking at the long game.
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It's Pennywise pound foolish.
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Every right to work law has led to lower wages, not just in the unions but in the entire state.
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If teachers make more money, you will wind up making more money.
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That is always the case.
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It's a trickle around effect.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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When you go top down is ineffective.
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When you go bottom up, all of a sudden people start to... wealth is no longer concentrated
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at the top.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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So that brings us to the end of this episode, Stefan Molyneux sucks.
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I really think that there is a really interesting narrative that ran through this episode accidentally.
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And that's one of the reasons why I really needed to do the episode, even though, spoiler
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alert for those listening, we've done episodes the last two days.
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We're three days in a row.
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Yeah.
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We're on a real run here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So what I needed to do was the idea that he started with this weird apologizing for Charles
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Manson kind of narrative when the reality is that he was someone who maybe wasn't entirely
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motivated by racism, but had a bunch of it in him and was a fucking crazy cult leader.
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That was his game.
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And then later he has this fucking South African guy who's afraid of white genocide.
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There's such a weird mirror there.
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When a white man with hair that looks like a wig.
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That's so nuts.
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Takes over for a black president.
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Those two things, like an A and B, are insane to exist on the same show.
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I don't understand why this show exists.
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I know.
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It's baffling.
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Our show and his show, quite frankly.
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We have been doing this for a year and I still don't know how this exists, period.
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Yeah.
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And how anyone listens.
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I mean, I know that a lot of the audience is bots, as we've discovered on our last episode.
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At least half of the audience, considering the way that he described it.
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Who knows where the growth came after that.
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It's possible that he had organic growth that spawned out of that.
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It's possible.
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But at least like eight or nine million are fake.
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But anyway, because this has been such a rough road of racism.
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I feel like we did an all right job of making you talk.
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You screamed through a bit of it.
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I didn't scream through all of it.
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Not all of it.
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It was less than I expected.
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You're going to have to.
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Yeah.
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You promised that later on in the episode I would get angry and I did not.
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Yes, you did.
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Okay.
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I got pretty angry, but not all the way.
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With the white people should escape.
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You screamed for half a minute.
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Two minutes.
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That's true.
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But anyway, to make everyone feel better, I'd like to just end with this.
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I love this song.
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Four stars.
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Go home and call your mother.
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I love that song too.
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All right, Alec.
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White nationalist.
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Oh man.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, if you'd like to check us out, we have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yeah.
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We have a more regular content.
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We're updating it every day now.
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On Facebook.
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Yeah.
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We are on Twitter.
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If you'd like to follow us, it's at knowledge.
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Underscore.
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And then there's a fight after that.
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You can go to iTunes.
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You can subscribe.
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Yep.
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That's true.
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You could leave a review because apparently algorithms matter.
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Sure.
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I've heard of those.
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And then- Beyond that, if you want to become a policy
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wonk and support the show- Oh, that's right.
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We forgot to do that up top.
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We have a new policy wonk, but since we didn't do it up top, we got to do it next episode.
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I feel bad about that.
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Oh, okay.
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I'm sorry.
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No, I forgot.
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Well, then I am not sorry.
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If you would like to be not forgotten next episode, go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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You can click the support the show button.
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That's in bad cell.
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That's not great.
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That's a bad cell.
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That's as good as I can do right now.
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But beyond that, so I mean, we've run the gamut between Ayn Rand mutators, cult leaders
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from the sixties.
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Union talk.
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I'm just talking about the specific people.
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Dan, quick question.
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White nationalists, South Africans.
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Not good.
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Cult leader from the sixties.
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Also not good.
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Staffan Molyneux.
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Cult leader from the 1920s.
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Cult leader from now.
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Staffan Molyneux.
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Cult leader from now.
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Alex Jones.
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It's it's a bad group of people that we're talking about today.
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Yeah.
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Today was rough.
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Yeah.
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Quick question.
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All right.
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Um, within our podcast dynamic, uh, who is labor and who is management?
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Should I unionize against you?
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I think I'm, am I not being paid enough?
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I'm management, but I'm cool with management.
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I would not like, I think the issue is that neither of us are being paid enough.
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That's true.
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I would like for you and Drufke to unionize and Cthulhu, insulin, this motherfucker.
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We're going to come together.
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We're going to go on strike.
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Oh no.
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Look, this is tough.
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Look, every episode you've done by yourself, Cthulhu has been here.
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Imagine if there was no Cthulhu.
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Imagine if it was just one camera of you talking.
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I'd put something else weird there.
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I don't know what it would be, but I put something that we're going to all
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put together.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Your entire room, even those, the food that shouldn't eat to get to her, we're going to
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unionize.
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Oh boy.
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This is going to be tough for me.
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It's going to be rough.
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I'm going to pay insurance.
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You guys better donate.
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That's our new pitch.
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Jordan is unionizing with Cthulhu.
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You better donate.
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Better pitch than we've had before.
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That's true.
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Oh God.
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You know who won't unionize Dan?
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That was what I was trying to get to.
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There we go.
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I know.
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I was trying to lead you into it.
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Do you want to take the reins on this one?
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I thought you were going to, because you asked me a question.
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I know, but I was just, I was just saying, you know, like I was leading you into it.
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All right.
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There is a guy.
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Yes.
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There's a guy.
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There's a guy.
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Notorious union buster.
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There's a man.
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He got into so many union busting scraps.
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Oh yeah.
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He lost all his teeth.
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Oh no.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He'd be out there.
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He's a scab.
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He's a scab.
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He's a scab.
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And he'd get his ass kicked just getting beat up.
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That motherfucker.
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Just getting beat up on every picket line.
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I hate scabs.
Unknown Speaker (02:05:45.680)
And that's how we lost all his teeth.
Unknown Speaker (02:05:46.680)
Oh, okay.
Unknown Speaker (02:05:47.680)
And now he unfortunately also in one of those beatings that he took outside, uh, uh, one
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of these, these picket lines, he lost the ability to raise his arms further than this
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high.
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This high.
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Is it John McCain?
Unknown Speaker (02:06:02.119)
No, it's not.
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You can only do this high.
Unknown Speaker (02:06:04.680)
And that means that if you wanted to like hang a picture, he just couldn't get it up
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there.
Unknown Speaker (02:06:11.880)
Couldn't get it up there.
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And that is why, although I have sympathy for your physical ailments that have come
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from your union busting activity, I still must say, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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That was an accident.
