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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're wearing the same thing in this episode as the last one.
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I can't understand why that would happen.
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There were five minutes between episodes.
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I think it might be because we're disgusting human beings.
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That's also a very relevant possibility.
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Uh, we are disgusting human beings who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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That is what we do, is there a reason why you would, or perhaps is there a reason why we would record two episodes back to back?
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Uh, getting work done.
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Some sort of interesting...
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Just getting work in.
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Some sort of like a hook, some sort of twist, like a blues traveler style slash Stephen King style twist.
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The reason is like, look, the world is what it is, it's a terrifying place.
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I happen to know a lot about Alex Jones, and I see it as my duty to teach you, who knows nothing about Alex Jones, about this before it's too late.
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That makes me sound like a buffoonish child.
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No, you know a lot about a lot of other things, but just not Alex Jones.
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Not Alex Jones.
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I happen to believe it's one of the most important areas of study in our times, and we can debate whether that's true.
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I'm leaning towards, it's not.
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You know what, here's the other thing.
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I'm actually leaning towards you, but even harder.
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We shouldn't be looking for any kind of media grants or anything like that.
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No?
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Let me tell you something, Dan. You and me? Adjunct professors.
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I like this.
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That's what we're doing now.
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You know what, though?
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History of modern propaganda slash Alex Jones is a dickbag.
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I think we could teach that at a junior college.
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I think so, too.
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I bet we could.
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I bet we could get at least 20 grand for it.
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Let's do it.
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Do a little bit of research.
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Between us? I'd still take it.
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I was gonna say, that's 20 grand more than we currently have.
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That's certainly right, but we could have 20 grand if George Soros goes to our website,
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knowledgefight.com, and clicks to support the show button.
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And if you would like to do that, you could become a policy wonk.
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Or, if you've already donated and you want to bump that number up, you could become a foreign policy wonk.
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Like one of our new foreign policy wonks.
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We got a new one today.
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Oh, shit.
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Actually, this gentleman came to Chicago, and we had a great time hanging out with him over the weekend.
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We did!
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It was a blast.
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It was very fun.
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Although I was very hungover the next day.
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Very.
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But I'd like to give a shout-out to our new foreign policy wonk.
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What's going on out there, John?
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Yeah.
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John, you are a super cool dude.
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Yeah.
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You are, I think, one of the very, very few policy wonks who have ever seen me do stand-up.
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Yeah, we went out and watched you do a set, which is very President-heavy.
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I apologize heartily, John.
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And that's the other thing.
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If you would like to-
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We are too accessible.
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If you would like to see me do stand-up, follow me on.
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I don't have any social media, and I do not post any of my gigs anywhere.
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I will find a video and send it to you, though.
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Please don't.
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Please don't.
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But no, for real, it was super fun to hang out and meet someone who likes the show and
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is a very interesting guy, a very nice guy.
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Yeah.
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And if you're ever in town, policy wonks out there, feel free to hit us up.
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We'll probably have a drink with you.
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And to be honest, even if you are a serial killer, we'd be like, well, this isn't a bad way to go.
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And we'd be in public.
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We would be in public.
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I don't think we'd meet a serial killer in private somewhere, anything like that.
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But yeah, it's great.
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It's really cool to me that we have cool fans, everybody that I've interacted with online
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in our chat room for the live shows.
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They're all super cool and not dicks.
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Even to people, sometimes we get Alex Jones fans in the chat room, and they don't attack them.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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And they're not assholes to people, and I think we've done a good job of cultivating
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a reasonable fan base.
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I think we have an incredibly reasonable, intelligent fan base.
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And that is why we are all not so much larger.
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We are not so popular.
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It's the price we pay.
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It turns out reasonable and intelligent people, we're running low.
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If we pick fights, we would be much better off.
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Oh yeah.
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So today, Jordan, what we're going to be going over is I wanted to do a little bit of a look
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at Alex Jones and his relationship with Russian media.
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So you got a telescope.
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I did.
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All right, there we go.
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What?
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Dropping bits.
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I might not understand the bit.
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I wanted to get a look at...
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All right, screw you, Dan.
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Screw you, Dan.
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Don't you dare take a sip while I haphazardly explain the moderately terrible bit I just gave.
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So what I did, Jordan, is I went back and I watched a number of instances of Alex Jones'
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appearances on RT.
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And then also I have put together a montage of Alex Jones when he was a guest on Alexander
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Dugan's show right after Donald Trump was elected president.
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Great.
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I'm not sure what a lot of this proves, but it's an interesting glimpse.
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And I want to add this glimpse into the picture even before we get started.
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Yeah.
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One of the things that I learned from this exploration is that there's a high incidence
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of Alex Jones regulars who are also regulars on RT.
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People like Paul Craig Roberts is on all the time.
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Gerald Cilenti, Peter Schiff.
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These people often go on RT and make fairly anti-American arguments.
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Like, listen to this.
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I'm going to start with a clip of Paul Craig Roberts, who is a guy who is on Alex's show
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very regularly.
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Here he is on RT, and I would say this is just talking shit on America.
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So the American economy is descending into a third world economy in which the only jobs
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available are domestic services, such as barbers, waitresses, and bartenders.
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There's slightly more than that.
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So this is not the picture of a superpower.
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Agreed.
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Well, to some extent.
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Well, I mean, that's a dumb argument to make.
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Using his particular examples and proof, I do think he's correct, though.
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I do not agree.
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I think we're descending into a third world country.
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When you look at our infant mortality rate going up, you've got to be like, well, there's
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maybe some argument to be had there.
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No, that's because of the vaccines they're giving to the white babies.
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That makes sense now.
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Right.
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You've got me back on board.
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Pro-America all the way.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Our economy isn't descending into a third world economy.
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Our economy has been getting steadily better since 2008.
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That argument is silly.
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A lot of the jobs that are available are in service industries and in that sector.
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That's mainly because manufacturing has become roboticized.
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But that's not all of the jobs.
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That is one snapshot, but there's a lot of other jobs.
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There are tons of other ones.
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That's an overly simplistic view.
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I don't think we're descending into a third world economy, but we're not what we were
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70 years ago or whatever.
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That's because modernization happens.
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That's a silly argument to be making.
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And at the end, him saying, this is not a superpower, is not justifiable based on the
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numbers.
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Based on what he gave as examples, I think you're correct.
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Based on the overall reality, I think you might be wrong.
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I think we are watching a former superpower decline.
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That may be.
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In the same way that you saw...
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That may be, but you need to look...
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If that is true, you're predicting the future in a way that's a little irresponsible.
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I'm using history to predict the future, which I think is a relatively reasonable idea to
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do.
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But if everybody understands history, there's a way you can cut things off at the pass,
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which we're not doing.
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Which we're definitely not doing.
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Right.
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But I mean, if you look at the way that Rome ended, this is fairly similar.
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There are some similarities.
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There are a lot of similarities.
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Not least to mention so many different states within Rome and its outlying territory starting
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to break away from each other ideologically and really by geography.
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I would posit that you having these thoughts and you having these positions is pretty reasonable
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and we're doing a podcast here and that's fine.
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We can spout these things.
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If you were to go on Russian television, Russian state-owned television, and say that America
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is not a superpower and descending into a third world country, it has a different flair
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to it, to me, a little bit.
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Well, see, but the way that I would do that is then put, comma, like you guys, Russia.
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Interesting.
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Interesting strategy.
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I support it.
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The thing, and I realize that this is a little bit of a small example, but it is the trend
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among all of his guests that end up going on.
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The Robert David Steels, the Gerald Cilentes, the Peter Shifts, they go on and they say
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negative things about America.
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Right.
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And that's not a coincidence.
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No, of course not.
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So, let's start off here.
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I mean, if you are a state-owned propaganda outlet, you are not going to give both sides
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equal view.
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Like if you were, say, some sort of massive media company that has a hard right bent,
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you would definitely not give equal view to climate change.
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No.
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You would absolutely insist that the weakest and most idiotic people represent the more
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reasonable position, therein making it look like you guys are the smartest.
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Let's go have scientists on Fox News as opposed to, let's have a weirdo like, let's
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say, Tammy Loren.
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Exactly.
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Let Tammy Loren go on and talk shit on the scientists as opposed to having the scientists
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on.
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Makes more sense.
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Right.
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It's a better game.
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Yeah.
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Let's talk a little bit about the idea of Alex Jones going on RT to discuss the Georgian
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conflict.
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If you'll recall, Georgia and Russia got into a war over South Ossetia and another
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area, I can't remember the name.
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Well, they were not selling as many colorful suits.
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Yeah, that was the problem.
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That's an Atlanta, that was a church in Atlanta joke.
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Okay.
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Thank you very much.
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That might have been a little subtle.
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A little bit.
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A little bit subtle.
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Yeah, well, South Ossetia and Abkhazia were the two regions where there were separatist
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rebels that Russia gave support to and they flared up and started a bit of fighting.
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And Russia annexed them and declared them to be sovereign areas.
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Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah.
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Very similar to what happened in Crimea and very similar to, without the armed conflict
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aspect of it, something that Russia has been doing to their neighbors in small degrees
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for the whole time Putin's been around.
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So here is Alex in the wake of the Russia-Georgia conflict on Russian television.
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While the shooting may be over, the war of words continues.
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Russia has criticized the Western media for what it's called its biased view on the
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conflict.
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But not all journalists blame Russia for the conflict.
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Alex Jones from the Infowars.com website claims rather than American viewers have been deceived
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by the coverage.
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First off, let me say I am ashamed as an American.
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I'm a loyal American who loves my country, but my country has been taken over by a private
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international military industrial complex and they launched a sneak attack on the Russian
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enclaves of Abkhazia and other areas, as you know, on 888 using the cover of the Olympic
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Games and a dastardly sneak attack on the order of Pearl Harbor in World War II.
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You know it's real when you use the word dastardly.
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Our country has been hijacked and is being used to do this.
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I was watching foreign news and I knew that the U.S.-backed Georgians, the Israeli and
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NATO-backed Georgians had snuck attack viciously and were hunting down and killing civilians,
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attacking the peacekeepers, just unprecedented crimes.
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Who do you think he's talking about when he says foreign media?
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Oh boy.
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I was watching you.
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Yeah.
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In our modern age, the 21st century.
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It definitely wasn't getting that from the BBC.
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CNN and Fox and even BBC and they were reporting that Russia, it was headlines, Russia invades
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Georgia, Russia sneak attacks and our leaders went on television and said that we would
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have to have a new Cold War.
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It was such an insult to the American people's intelligence that the United States backed
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Georgia and I apologize as an American that we let our government have been taken over
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like this and this is not the United States that I grew up in.
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The neo-cons in NATO, in the U.S. and Israel want to have a new Cold War.
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I just hope Russia keeps the troops in Georgia so no more sneak attacks can be lost because
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the dictator, and we know he was elected under fraud there in Georgia, has said that he plans,
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he said it last week, to attack again as soon as he can.
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So please, Russia does not need to leave these areas that have been part of Russia for years,
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Abkhazia and Ossetia, because we don't want violence.
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The American people don't want this, we want to be friends with Russia.
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The Anglo-American Western New World Order system based in, of course, London and New
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York and D.C.
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They have hijacked the U.S., they have implemented continuity of government, they have geared
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up for martial law.
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They're destroying our republic, they're destroying our freedoms, they're coming after the free
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press, and so they're using NATO expansion as a way to widen the war throughout Central
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Asia and then to the West through Eastern Europe and Central Europe.
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And I really appreciate the fact that Russia has been restrained in all of this.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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So there's a lot of problems with that, like, narratively.
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And there's a lot of problems with that historically.
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Oh, yeah?
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Yeah.
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The leader in Georgia that he's referring to was a sort of Western sympathetic ruler
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that came to power, and he's not a dictator, but he was leaning towards trying to join
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the U.N.
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He wanted protection from that guy to his East.
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Didn't want to have that guy anywhere near him.
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And, of course, like any of these geopolitical struggles, it had to do with the fucking pipeline.
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That Russia didn't want to be there, because it took away from their funds.
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They didn't make as much money.
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Yeah, exactly.
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If they're producing oil, that's competition, and they don't want competition because then
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they don't make as much money.
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It's the same thing with Crimea.
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Yeah.
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It's strange.
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It's all exactly, like, it's all a very, very simple calculus.
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And why would Georgia never have been allowed in the U.N.?
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Because Russia can negotiate on the Security Council with the rest of the U.N. and be like,
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hey, we're going to take Georgia, and you guys don't have the balls to stop us.
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And other members of the Security Council, when that was being discussed, the idea of
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putting forward a map of them joining, their position was that would be seen as an undue
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insult or an attack on Russia.
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Right.
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And so that didn't move forward.
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But what did move forward-
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China definitely isn't going to sign off on a, quote, undue attack on Russia.
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No.
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And so we have this.
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We have this situation where there are areas where, sure, you can make the argument that
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they used to be part of the Soviet Union.
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And some of the people there identify with Russia as it's bordering.
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Right.
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But it's not a part of Russia.
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That's not their country.
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No.
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The lines are very clear about national sovereignty and stuff like that.
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It goes to Alex's, like, his belief that secession is OK and that sort of thing.
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Right.
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Now, there is some of that in there.
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You know, actually, I have a pretty significant question that is such a huge blind spot because
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I never really even thought about it.
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How were the borders drawn up immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union?
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Were they pre-Soviet Union borders or did they have to redistrict everything?
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I think they would have had to rewrite everything.
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Right.
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And how would you do so?
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Well, in the 10th century A.D., Georgia for the first time emerged as an ethnic concept
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in the territories where the Georgian language was used to perform Christian rituals.
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All right.
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Fast forward.
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After the Mongol invasions of the region-
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Fast forward.
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No.
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OK.
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So there's the-
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Move ahead.
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The independent Democratic Republic of Georgia was invaded by the Red Army in 1921 and Soviet
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government was installed.
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The government of Soviet Georgia created an autonomous administrative unit for the Transcaucasial
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Ossetans in April 1922 called the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast.
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Historians-
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Great name.
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Such as Stephen F. Jones and some other folks believe that the Bolsheviks granted this autonomy
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to the Ossetians in exchange for their help in fighting the Democratic Republic of Georgia
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since the area had never been a separate entity prior to the Russian invasion.
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South Ossetia had not been a separate region.
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It was-
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So the Democratic Republic of Georgia predated the Soviet Union coming and invading them.
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Right.
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Right.
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So I don't know how it worked with all of the Soviet territories that split up after
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that, but they predated, so there's that.
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Right.
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I don't know all the boundaries of all these other countries, but there's that.
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And of course you're going to have people who identify in the Soviet Union because they've
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never lived with anything else.
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Sure.
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Like from when they were born, they've always been-
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We have people who still believe in the Confederacy.
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Exactly.
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Of course.
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There's that.
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I mean, if you had, let's say, a situation where Canada was a sneaky power, and they
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were trying to bolster the credibility of the remnants of the Confederacy in our country,
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it would be fairly similar.
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Yeah.
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So it could be like, you know, Alabama was really more importantly part of the Confederacy.
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It wasn't really part of the United States.
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They kind of got forced into it.
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Or if the Civil War had just ended with us becoming two separate countries, plenty of
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people in the South would still identify as North American.
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Sure.
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So it's incredibly complicated, and Alex went on Russian television and just supported the
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exact Russian line on it.
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Yeah.
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And that's kind of common.
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It's kind of common, you're going to see.
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Because one of the other things that is a big thorn in the side of Russia regaining
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a lot of the territory that it lost when the Soviet Union broke up, a lot of the power,
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a lot of the money that they could be making through oil reserves and stuff like that is
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UN sanctions.
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Right.
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It is a complete disaster for them because they keep encroaching on their neighbors,
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and the UN's not thrilled with that.
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They're not happy with it.
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No.
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So here's another clip of Alex on RT talking about the UN.
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What would you do to fix it?
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Is it possible to fix it?
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Is there any solution here?
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Well, that's a great question.
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The United Nations inherently was designed for fraud and corruption.
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No, it wasn't.
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And taking over sovereign nations.
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Did they write that down?
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It's also being used at the international level to pass laws that take US sovereignty.
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That's the globalist model.
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And so you can't do anything good with the UN overall because its mission is to set up
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a covert world government that's now come out of the open.
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Not really.
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Wait, I thought that its mission was to set up a overt world government.
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Isn't that kind of a cooperative expression of, hey, let's not all kill each other?
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Yeah, that's really the mission that it set out for was let's not have another world war.
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Right.
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Hey, you guys want to fight.
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Guess what?
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We're all hanging out.
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Come on over.
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We'll talk it out.
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Maybe you guys won't fight.
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Right.
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And even with whatever extreme nationalist version of the world Alex wants to create
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and these other people want to create.
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There is going to be a United Nations.
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There has to be.
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It's the only way that you can coordinate your dumb nationalism.
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Because even if you have these nationalist entities that go all and everybody's got weird
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unilateral treaties with each other, what have you, eventually you're going to butt
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up against each other.
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Eventually there's going to be some need for collective bargaining with each other because
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otherwise nothing will ever get done.
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And guess what?
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Guess what?
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Once that happens and you have this national collection of nations that are getting together
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under some slightly different name for the exact same goal, there will be corruption
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within it and there will be inadequacies.
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There will be times when atrocities take place and they're supposed to stop it and they
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fuck it up.
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That's going to happen no matter what.
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That's the score.
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Yes.
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But the situation with the, I suppose we'll call it upside down UN, the situation there
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is if you've got-
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The UUN.
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Yeah.
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The Dark Universe UN.
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Yeah.
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The situation there is if you've got a bunch of nationalist countries, eventually you're
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going to get into disputes of, just like we talked about with the Soviet Union, your American
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nationalists are going to start saying, well, Mexico was part of the United States.
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Right.
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We own that territory.
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Why don't we have it?
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And then Mexico will rebut, part of the United States was Mexico.
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Right.
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And like, ooh, we have reached a stalemate.
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But is Mexico in the Dark United Nations?
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Nope.
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I'm afraid not.
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No.
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So the Dark United Nations is not going to stand up and say, hey, we can't let you do
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that.
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Right.
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Because Mexico is too chaotic due to all the cartels and what have you to get their shit
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together and be admitted into the Dark Side UN.
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Oh, of course.
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Frankly, I think in this Dark UN universe, they would say it is actually a police action.
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It is an act of benevolence for the nationalist United States to annex Mexico.
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Right.
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In the same way that it is a national benevolence for Russia to reabsorb the Ukraine.
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Or Germany to invade neighbors.
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Well, frankly, they already, they're getting Poland back pretty quick.
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Through subversion.
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Yeah.
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The only people that don't want more Nazis in Poland are the Nazis in Germany.
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So, yeah, I mean, like that's the thing that you really butt up into when you get into
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Alex's views about the UN, because his ideas about what they were created for, obviously
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not accurate.
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Stupid.
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But his ideas of what the world will end up being in his like fantasy scenario don't even
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work necessarily.
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No.
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So him coming on to RT and saying that the UN is beyond fixing and its only function
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is corruption, that's manna from heaven to the people, the propagandists at RT.
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They're like, yes, absolutely.
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This is exactly what we think.
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What he's really describing is FIFA.
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You don't get that, do you?
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I didn't have time to take a sip.
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I'm sorry, would the International Olympic Committee be a far more apt comparison for
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you?
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Sure, any of these things.
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Yeah.
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That's what they're really describing.
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Not the United Nations.
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As much corruption as I'm sure there is in the United Nations.
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Tons.
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Of which there is a shit ton.
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Tons.
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You know, they hung out with Silvio Berlusconi, who, happily to report, is making a comeback,
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is making his sixth comeback.
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Any of these fucking bodies that you have end up lending themselves to corruption, and
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legitimately, the only way that you work against that is regulation and oversight.
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Yeah.
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Those are the only things that are good.
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And applying the rule of law equally across boundaries.
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Well, and you can look at it.
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You can say, like, we have a federal government and it's full of corruption.
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That's why states are important.
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Like, look at the state governments.
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There's tons of corruption in state government.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay, well, let's get down to city government.
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There's tons of corruption in city government.
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Any kind of organized power body is going to have those elements within it.
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So, you get watchdog groups.
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So, you get strict regulations, so when people are caught doing things, they are punished
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appropriately.
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Right.
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And you do that, and that...
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Internationally, that works, too.
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How do you stop the financial crash of 2008, or the one in 1929, or the one in 1987?
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The one in 2019.
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The one in 2018.
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I'm going to go with it.
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I'm being generous.
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Is you put the people who caused it in jail forever.
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Right.
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Forever and ever.
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Because it's cruel and unusual to use a guillotine on them on live TV.
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I mean, Alex even uses the example of...
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It's Iceland, right?
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That jailed all the bankers that...
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Yeah.
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Oh, they got fucked.
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Yeah, and he even uses that example, and I think he takes the wrong lesson from it, necessarily.
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The right lesson is those were crimes that were committed, and people were punished
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appropriately.
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And Iceland's economy has recovered and has acted more fairly in the absence of those
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fucking corrupt assholes.
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And with appropriate oversight and, like you say, a reasonable application of the law across
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the board, those things are possible on a national level, on an international level.
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And that's what we should be working towards, not the dismantling of the UN that only really
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serves the purposes of hostile actors.
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Right.
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That's not what we want.
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And even more than that, it's such a simple psychological concept that everybody feels
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infinitely more safe when the law is applied equally.
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It's such a small thing, but think about how much more comfortable you are if the law is,
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oh, I'm not treated any less fairly than the richest guy or the poorest guy.
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Yeah.
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We're all treated the same.
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Every day you wake up far more safe.
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Every day, every black person that wakes up never worries about the cops, because they
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know they're going to be treated the same way that a billionaire would be treated.
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It really seems like that would be a good way to get legitimate prosperity.
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Right.
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And every billionaire goes to sleep wondering if the next day is the day that they die.
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Yeah.
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The skeletons come back.
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Because also, in my fantasy, the law is applied equally, and I am the leader of roving bands
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of coyotes.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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Wait, people getting people over the border?
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Nope.
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Oh.
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Literal coyotes.
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Literal coyotes.
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Literal coyotes.
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I think you have to pronounce coyotes then.
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I have them pull a sled, and I just go from Fortune 500 company to the next.
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Like reverse Santa Claus.
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In a hypothetical sense, I support your mission.
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Yes.
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So this next clip, I told you that Alex Jones, a lot of his guests appear frequently as guests
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on RT, and he has one guest in particular who has his own show on RT and has for years.
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There's a gentleman by the name of Max Kaiser.
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We know him from his cryptocurrency, MaxBucks, and from that one time he tried to get Alex
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to be reasonable about the idea of gun insurance, and Alex freaked out at it.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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So we know him from that.
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Here is a clip of Max Kaiser and Alex Jones having a conversation.
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This is on Alex's show.
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And let me tell you this, Alex is smiling the biggest smile I've ever heard.
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Disgusting.
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I've ever seen right at the beginning of this clip when Max gives him a little bit of news.
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Disgusting.
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The economy.
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Because like you said, it's a mixed bag.
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Vladimir Putin says to say hello, by the way.
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Does that really happen?
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Oh yeah.
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He said, would you say Alex Tom?
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I said hello.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to go over there though.
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I'm going to interview Putin this year.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Going over there.
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Now, I am interested in this because I was told by the head of RT America.
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He's smug pieces of shit.
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Like eight, nine years ago.
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Putin's a big listener.
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And by the way, he likes how you play.
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He loves my show.
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He imitated me at the ten-year anniversary dinner.
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Well, I know you're a big star all over the world, but Putin knows you.
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Yeah, he's imitated me.
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I did this thing where David Cameron ripped his shirt off at the governor's dinner and
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he looked at this clip and he said, your journalists are very interesting.
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The one, Max, who ripped his shirt off is very interesting.
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Let's get back to the Putin thing.
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Oh, this will be newsworthy.
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Let me hear this.
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What did he say?
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Well, I'm just telling what he said.
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I'm just telling what he said to me.
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And Jesse Ventura was there at the dinner.
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All the people who said Adam Ventura told me that.
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Leave my name out of this asshole.
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Say hello to Alex Jones.
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He's going to come on my show this year.
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You know, Moscow is beautiful in the springtime.
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We actually got reached out to years ago by some people.
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And I checked and was like, yes, Putin wants to come on, but he wants to talk about hunting
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because you're from Texas.
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And I was just like.
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Well, you know, I noticed you like to go bare chested now.
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I think Putin started that.
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I did that as a joke.
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That whole bare chesting thing.
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I did it to troll the media.
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He made a picture of himself on a horse with his shirt off like Putin.
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I trolled the media as much like calling Obama a sperm bank or whatever the fuck.
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Sure.
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This liberal is crazy because Putin dares to be heterosexual.
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So therefore, we could go Alex Jones on a horse.
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Alex Jones on a horse.
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You know, Putin's heterosexual.
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And so therefore.
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I'm not bragging, but aren't those some big pecs?
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People are saying.
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Those are awesome pecs.
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This is live.
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Those are Putin sized pecs.
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This is on air.
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You've gotten Putin pecs.
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Alex Putin Peck.
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That's right.
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He on the horse all naked.
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You know, so this is what drives the liberals crazy.
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You know, especially in Britain, where not a single person in government would be classified
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as, you know.
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I shouldn't have been laughing.
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Are you guys going to fuck?
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I did it to troll him.
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And then the media was like in a whole bunch of newspapers.
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He's a role model.
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He's bringing peace around the world.
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He's a statesman, you know.
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And so I am a Russian agent.
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And Trump figures that, you know what, the greatest way to save money in the age.
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Alex one has completely stopped listening.
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Yeah.
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He stopped listening.
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The moment he heard Putin says hi, he's like, I am just going to be the happiest schoolgirl
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in the world.
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Let me put up the picture where I imitated him.
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Isn't it cute?
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Maybe he'll see this.
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Are you saying he got my note?
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Right.
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The one that said, do you like Alex Jones?
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Yes or no.
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And then the really funny thing is like at the end there, he's like, scroll down the
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one we did about Planet of the Apes and I guess they did another parody picture of something
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with Planet of the Apes, but the person scrolls down and then immediately has to get off the
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Google image search because there's a bunch of like one that crosses through Stars of
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David.
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Of course.
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It's just like, oh shit.
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Abort.
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Abort.
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Oh no.
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We don't want the, we don't want to, don't make the subtext text.
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We don't want to air that we're aware of how hateful our audience is.
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That sort of thing.
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Oh shit.
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So yeah, I mean like when we really get down to it, he's beaming when he hears that Putin
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likes him and wants to say hi, wants to come on and talk about hunting.
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Right.
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Whatever the fuck, man.
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He wants to come on and...
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That's just indicative to me of how...
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Have you hunted the most dangerous game?
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Oh boy.
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Yes.
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Is it a Southall Sessions?
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No, it is actually a...
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Apartment buildings?
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No, it's Johnny Leguizamo.
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It's Johnny Legs.
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Oh.
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From the past.
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Okay.
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Do you not remember that one?
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It's a one man show.
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No, that was...
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No, it's the movie where he gets hunted.
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The most dangerous game?
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It's like a send up of, it's like a send up of the most dangerous game.
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I remember that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I just got conflated because the only thing I can think of when I hear John Leguizamo
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is that he did that one man show where he played all the characters in it.
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There was like a bunch of characters.
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I assume it was the most...
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Someone explained it to me.
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I assume it was the most well received one man show in the history of the world.
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The person who...
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In the same way that Super Mario Brothers is the best video game adaptation movie that
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I've ever seen.
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It's great.
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It's great.
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It's great.
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And Spawn was the best comic book movie.
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Spawn.
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Can't think of any other John Leguizamo movies.
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Anyway.
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He's great in John Wick.
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He's turned himself into a good character actor later in life.
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He's in John Wick?
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Yeah.
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I still have not seen that.
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It's such a great movie.
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Right here.
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You know what, do you know what happens in it?
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And you'll never believe this.
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All right.
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A lot of people get killed?
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It's a Keanu Reeves movie.
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Right.
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He is an invincible assassin.
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Do they do Gunkate like in The Matrix?
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Pretty much.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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Pretty close to it.
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So, someone else who believed in The Matrix is Alex.
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Not a great translation.
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That wasn't a good one.
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So, after the election, and we've talked about this a bit, we've made reference to this a
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bit.
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Yes.
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After the election, Alex Jones almost immediately gets an invitation over Skype to be on Alexander
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Dugan's show on Russian television.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And as we know, Alexander Dugan is a philosopher of note.
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He is a...
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As dispenser.
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Yeah.
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And, I mean, the only way really to put it is he has had a lot of foundational ideas
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with anti-liberalism.
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And when we say liberalism, we're not talking about liberals, we're talking about freedom,
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the American system.
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He's a fascist.
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He is against anything that takes people into the collective or what have you.
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There's a lot of bizarre ideas about...
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Or 2017 instead of 1884.
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Indeed.
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Well, we can re-delve back into a little bit of his philosophies as we go through this
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because we're gonna play a bit of Alex's appearance on his show.
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And I think it's fairly telling.
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I know that we've, in the past, made reference to how much he's getting his balls sucked
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on this show.
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Right, right, right.
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But you haven't listened to it and you haven't heard just how much.
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He's gonna get his balls sucked?
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And the entire time this is going on, because most of this is going to be these Russian
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people talking, Alex looks like he's gonna cry.
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He looks so thrilled to be getting these sort of accolades that, like, you did a good job
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singing.
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Well, actually, Alexander Dugan hired somebody to sound him underneath the chair.
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Okay, that's possible.
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Anything's possible.
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You know what sounding is?
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Yes, I do.
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Oh, it's fun stuff.
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We have a special program today because in a few moments we are joined by a legendary
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American journalist, Alex Jones.
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But before that, let's see the short piece about our today's special guest, Alex Jones.
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Mainstream media, the fourth estate, is molding us today.
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We form our worldview, our perception of reality, depending on how the mainstream media presents
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the information.
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So just a quick assessment of what's going on, because it's, you know, this isn't visual.
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They're playing a, like, video package about how great Alex is.
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And it's all in Russian, and so the voice you hear is Alex's Russian employee, Daria,
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doing the translation.
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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...to us.
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In the Western world, the dictatorship of the liberal paradigm is all too obvious when
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it comes to the media.
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But it's become especially brazen during the U.S. presidential race.
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All the big media moguls openly supported the war criminal Hillary Clinton.
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Round the clock with the help of lies, distortions, and fake polls, they praised her political
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platform and assured of her inevitable win.
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Meanwhile, all the front pages of every other publication portrayed Trump as a loser, intentionally
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exaggerating his supposed dark past.
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His words taken out of context and repeated over and over on all media outlets.
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On November 8th, the main Western media operations had already prepared their November 9 issue
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with Hillary's portrait on the cover and headline, Madam President.
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I would like just to rebut against that.
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They also had a version prepared where Trump won.
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That's kind of how it works.
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It's like the Super Bowl t-shirt.
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Exactly.
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They have to do that.
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Yeah.
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There's no way, especially with an election that ends up going into, like before someone
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conceded, it was like three in the morning.
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The idea of getting that to press, the idea of getting the copies out, of course they
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had pre-made graphics for everybody and something leaked.
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Of course.
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It's embarrassing in the same way as the Dewey defeats Truman kind of shit, but that's what
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people do.
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Every single presidential election that has ever happened, I guarantee there is some facsimile
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of the loser winning that exists somewhere.
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It's not worth punching about.
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But instead of underprivileged kids in Africa wearing New England Patriots 2004 Super Bowl
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shirts, they're wiping their ass with pictures of Hillary.
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And underprivileged propagandists get to make hay out of it.
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And television programs have prepared reports praising the lady kingpin of the world financial
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elites.
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Something went wrong and all the pre-scripted news packages turned a complete fiasco.
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They've put everything on the line and failed miserably.
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The predetermined Clinton win has suffered a death blow.
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The numbers spoke for themselves.
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Trump won.
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No one in the US mainstream media believed or wanted to believe in Trump.
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No one except for those in the scientific world and one dynamic, highly passionate,
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energetic and unrelenting journalist and documentary producer Alex Jones, the director and editor
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in chief of Info Wars News.
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It is this journalist who had the courage to show the truth of what is really going
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on in the United States.
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Full disclosure, I work for him.
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He has been fighting the false narratives of the mainstream media information.
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He has exposed the globalist liberal ideology prevailing in a totalitarian style on the
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modern Western media front.
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He reported on the financial elites, their stakes and strategies during the election.
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Alex Jones believes that behind all the world's media outlets there is an ideological liberal
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agenda.
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You know who else believes that?
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Can't think of anybody.
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Nazis.
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Can't think of anybody.
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The Jew media.
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Can't think of anything.
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Which aims at building a unipolar empire.
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This world government manipulates all the prominent media systems for the sake of their
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own personal interests.
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He was all but ostracized for continually exposing the war crimes of Hillary Clinton.
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They avoided mentioning his name and his website suffered repeated denial of service attacks.
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But they couldn't stop him.
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His videos continue to gather hundreds of thousands of views.
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InfoWars.com was practically the only resource where the elections were covered thoroughly
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and objectively.
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He didn't cut July feeds when someone voiced criticism towards the FBI and they discussed
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the WikiLeaks stumps.
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InfoWars has built itself to still with the interests of the American people.
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This media organization showed its independence from the world financial elites.
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It showed its sovereignty from the globalist still going on today when mainstream liberal
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media have utterly been discredited, revealing themselves as long list of credit, along with
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the new independent media outlets are becoming powerful forces in the new era and new paradigm,
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which usher Donald Trump.
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So that is a long fucking intro, but it's, it's essential for like buttering up Alex.
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Yeah.
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Like he's already on board, but this is like the payoff for him.
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Right?
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This is you did a good job, son.
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All right.
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All of that on the head, all of the things were stars.
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Go home and tell your mother.
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Yeah.
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Tell her you're brilliant.
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Yeah.
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All of these things are basically just like, you know, this Alex, you believe this to be
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true.
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You're hearing us repeat it, you're on, you're on the right side, buddy, stick with us.
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We get it.
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You get it done.
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Everybody's happy now.
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It's nuts.
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And I, I really do truly believe that there is a, it's, it's kind of fun to say it's something
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is lost in translation cause they're Russians, right?
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But I do think that something is lost on Alex in terms of when Alexander Dugan and the Russians
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say liberalism and when he says liberalism.
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Why do you say that?
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Because Alex Jones's libertarian beliefs still rely on liberalism.
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They still rely on our systems of freedom, our Western ideals.
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I disagree.
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You disagree?
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Yeah.
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I don't think Alex has any idea what Western ideas are, are about.
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I, I, he can espouse them all he wants, but as we've seen now, he's a fascist propaganda
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outlet.
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He doesn't believe in America.
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He doesn't even like America.
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No, he's clear.
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He's clear.
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Whenever he goes on RT, he's an American Patriot.
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Yeah, no, but, but he's not right.
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But he is, he says he is.
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I know, but he hates America as he is like, it's like, he doesn't like the constitution
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cause it disagrees with him.
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He likes one part of it.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't like any of our systems.
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He doesn't think that there should be checks on power.
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No.
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Well, he does when liberals are in charge.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But not now.
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But generally speaking, whenever there's a ideological service that he wants to make
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law for everyone, regardless of reality or fact, he's on board.
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Yeah.
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So I don't think he likes America.
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I don't think most of these people actually like America.
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I don't, I don't, I don't think they do either, but I still think that in his head, the future
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he conceives of for America does still rely on liberalism.
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How so?
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Imagine what's the future in his head before we go any further, what's the future?
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There's a disconnect between what his rhetoric leads to and what he thinks it leads to.
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There's certainly that because I don't think like we can very clearly see that, you know,
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were he to reach the logical extension of most of the things that he espouses, you would
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end up pretty quickly descending into a white ethno state where everyone's armed and everyone's
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afraid of each other.
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Yeah.
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And everyone is disenfranchised.
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There's no social nets, safety nets.
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There's there is no income inequality.
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It's serfdom.
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Yeah.
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All businesses unregulated.
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Children are back in the caves.
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Drug is our only source of oxygen.
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Yeah.
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I know that we can take an external view and look at it like that, but I don't think that
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he thinks that's the end result.
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Okay.
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That's the, that's the delusion that he dwells in.
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I think that he believes that you're still going to end up with an equitable system where
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people have freedom, they have liberty, they have, they can still vote, all that stuff.
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You're just going to have businesses that are unshackled.
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Like he doesn't understand what historically has been the end result of that sort of thing.
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Oh, do you mean kids dying in a coal mining accidents?
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Right, right, right, right.
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But even then, even back then in the nightmare that we lived in, in the teens, twenties,
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we still had...
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When there were a lot of one armed women because they didn't bother having any safety equipment
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in any kind of textile mills.
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We still lived in a liberalist system.
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We still lived in a Western democracy.
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Right.
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And that is what Alexander Dugan and his ilk are opposed to.
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They are opposed to Western democracies.
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Right.
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Alex doesn't realize when he's talking to Alexander Dugan and he's like, liberalism
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is a cancer and all this stuff, he doesn't realize that that's the underpinning of even
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these vestigial images of America that Alex jacks off to.
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He doesn't realize that.
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He hears liberal in there, and that's enough for him.
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Right.
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That I...
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Yeah, no, I can see that definitely being true.
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That's the point I'm trying to get to clunkily.
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Yeah, I can absolutely see that.
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Yeah.
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And there's another disconnect.
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Because if there's one fundamental truth of this podcast, it is Alex Jones is fucking
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stupid.
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And he doesn't realize what he's up to.
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And he doesn't do any research.
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And he's a fucking moron.
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He's in so far over his head.
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Yeah.
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But the other thing that gets lost in translation is the idea of anti-Americanism.
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And that's going to come up, I believe, in this next clip.
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And I'll explain on the other end of it what I think the disconnect is.
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I'm very happy that Alex Jones is live with us right now.
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We have been following you, Alex, for many years, including myself personally.
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And when you became truly celebrated in this new era of Donald Trump, I marveled at you.
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The fact that such people as yourself who embody such free and independent points of
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view, which are shared in reality by millions of people, Americans, and worldwide, and millions
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of Russian people.
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And you have a giant dick.
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You became a hero of this campaign, how you told the truth while everyone else lied, how
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you held your ground fearlessly against all the attacks and all the dirt that they were
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throwing your way.
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And really doesn't want to actually let Alex talk.
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Because if Alex talks, he's going to ruin it.
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You were an example of a true American man, the true American spirit.
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You, Alex, are the chief of view of who?
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A real American is.
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If the American people are anything like you, then the attitude toward your country, toward
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your people will be radically changed.
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And when Donald Trump won, whom you supported, and whom we were all also in solidarity with,
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when you and him and all of us won, I said, really not a good thing to say in hindsight.
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Anti-Americanism is over.
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Now the people of the free United States, free Russia, and all the anti-globalist powers
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worldwide have to build a new world, new architecture.
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We are exceedingly glad to see you on our program, Broadcasting Live, right now.
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And from the bottom of our hearts, we thank you for being the genuine face of real America.
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Hi, Alex.
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Hey, Alex.
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All right.
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It was great having you on our show.
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We're going to say some more nice things about you.
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You go home.
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Please don't speak.
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You're going to ruin this for everybody.
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We're going to talk for half an hour about how great you are.
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But if you start talking, our audience is going to be like, oh, yeah, because we have
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just had curated clips of you.
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But if you notice, whenever he's on Russian television, he doesn't act like he acted on
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that BBC interview.
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No.
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He acts very sensible.
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He acts like someone actually who respects the person he's talking to.
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Odd.
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Yeah, it's very strange.
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Can't think of any reason why.
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No.
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And the anti-Americanism is over thing.
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I think that how Alex hears that, I know this because he's talked about it.
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He hears that and he's like, I have solved the Russia America problem.
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They don't hate us anymore.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What he doesn't realize is the subtext of what Alexander Dugan is saying there is we
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won.
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Anti-Americanism is over because we won.
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We don't need to be anti-American anymore.
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You guys are pro Russia.
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Yeah.
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You guys are serving our interests.
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We have flipped it entirely to a point where our problem is that the UN keeps telling us
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we can't do this shit that we want to do.
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We can't retake the Soviet Union.
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Right.
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Because, I mean, we've talked about this.
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Alexander Dugan, what he foresees is Eurasianism and the Eurasian Union, that sort of thing
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where the Soviet Union becomes whole again.
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Right.
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That's been his fantasy for years.
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That's an underpinning of his philosophy.
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And maybe that Eurasian Union starts to have a lot more Soviet Union aspects to it.
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But it's still the Eurasian Union.
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Or even if it doesn't need to have that, you can still do the same game that Nazis do with,
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or Alex does with Nazi ideology, just change Jew to globalist.
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You can do all the things you want to do with just changing one word.
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It's that simple.
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People are dumb.
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Eurasian Union.
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Is Enron still around?
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I feel like they might have just changed their name and we're still doing that.
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They probably did.
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They probably did, right?
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I mean, Blackwater did.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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Hey, man, there's some guillotine folk right there.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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There's some folk with the guillotine on their names.
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Nah, you're wrong.
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Alex Jones thinks that Erik Prince is a patriot and that's enough for me.
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Oh, boy.
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So what you're getting here is you're getting a full dose of just...
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This is the sort of stuff that you imagine Alex was hearing behind the scenes probably
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the entire time.
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Oh, of course.
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They've, through intermediaries, they're like, you are the only voice that's really telling
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the truth.
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The rest of the world knows it.
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All this sort of...
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This is a thousand times more effective than just Louis Farrakhan having a couple of people
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with an info wars thing on.
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But we've seen how easy it is to destroy him with flattery.
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Yeah.
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Frankly, they're going overboard.
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They're doing overkill.
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Guys, you could have just said, man, check out this guy.
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He was really good.
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He would have been exactly as you are if you give him a 25 minute long introduction.
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But to be fair, it's the culmination of so much.
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And I think Alex would probably feel slighted if they didn't do this for him.
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Because when you are someone like Alex, it's easy to imagine your influence is greater
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than it is.
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And so sometimes you need those things that make your internal perceptions appear to match
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the external reality.
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Like having Donald Trump on the show.
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His show probably didn't merit that, but because his involvement with Roger Stone and working
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it out behind the scenes, Donald Trump comes on his show and says, I won't let you down.
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You're going to be very happy.
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We're going to talk a lot in the future.
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What have you.
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Right.
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And so now the external world matches Alex Jones' sense of himself.
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After the election, Alex, we heard him on election night, drunk at three in the morning
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saying, I've served my purpose.
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Then he goes on Russian television a couple of days later and they basically mirror that
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back to him.
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And he can imagine that that's how the rest of the world feels.
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I have saved the world from globalism.
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I have done such an amazing.
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And that's why he looks like he's going to cry the whole time, which is why he's even
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more insane right now is because he's realizing, oh, no, they said nice things about me.
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And now they want me to go back in the corner.
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Oh, no.
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I'm supposed to be in a closet, a very small closet.
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Why are you guys being mean to me now?
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You said I was so important and you said I was so important.
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And maybe Alex has done a little like, I don't think he has because he doesn't do any research.
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But if he looks into what the people that are flattering him actually believe, it would
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be incredibly troubling for him.
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Or if he found out what they actually say about him.
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Or if he ever looked at the chat room while he's doing the show and saw all of the, you
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know, 1488.
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All of the Alex talk about why the Jews are evil, all of the N-words flying around.
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You know, I know that like we maybe we are, I don't know, it's grandiose on some level
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even for us to be like, yeah, our audience is great, but they are.
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Everyone is cool.
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Yes.
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And it would destroy me if our audience were like neo-Nazis.
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Oh, man.
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If we went into the chat room one night and we saw an N-word, I think we might cancel
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the show.
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I couldn't continue.
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Yeah.
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I think we would have.
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I think we would just stop.
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Now, granted, Alex Jones doesn't read the chat room and what have you.
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Right.
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Right.
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There has to be a part of him that is either in complete denial about that large chunk
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of his audience or just he has to shy away from it entirely and only listen to voices
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like this that are like, you are the true version of America.
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You have saved the international scene and now we will rebuild an international order.
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You know, I would say I think that's probably the most reasonable or relatable and human
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thing, though, is that, of course, you make compromises if you want to make a shit ton
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of money.
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True.
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Like that's part of the game.
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True.
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That's not something that's specific to Alex Jones.
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It's unfortunate or not unfortunate.
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It's indicative of what a piece of shit he is willing to become.
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The consequences are unfortunate.
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Yeah.
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The types of compromises he's willing to make.
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But the simple idea of making compromises to your ethical or moral ideology in order
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to become a very wealthy man, that seems a very common theme with everybody who becomes
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wealthy.
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I think that's the trajectory of his entire career, though, because the compromises that
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he clearly made when he infiltrated Bohemian Grove, in heavy quotes, the willingness to
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lie and misrepresent what he saw there in order to, in his mind, take down the banking
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elite or what have you, that probably, on a certain level, is a noble goal.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Our financial system is fucked.
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There is an element of it that the end goal is, you know, reordering that to some extent
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and making sure that people are punished for financial crimes in the same way that someone
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with a joint is punished, you know?
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I can't imagine.
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That sort of thing is a noble goal, but once you go down the path of completely lying about
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them and saying they're all Satanists and amping up that rhetoric and adopting so much
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of this washed-over anti-Semitism, what you do is you ruin the good pursuit that you have
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and all of the offshoots become so much more important to your audience.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's the story of his career, probably.
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But that's a brilliant move and a classic move on the part of the people who wrecked
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the economy, that we're all pretty much aware now that the economy is fucked and it's unsustainable
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in its current, you know.
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As the stock market continues to rise, the only thing that every reasonable person should
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be thinking is, boy, how bad is the crash going to be?
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Especially as the growth rate increases.
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And it has nothing to do with real wage increases as well.
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That's when you know, because every time it's ever happened, there's been a spectacular
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crash.
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The Dust Bowl was a thing, you know?
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Hoovervilles were a thing.
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And to a great degree, I don't know, this is maybe, because what ended up saving the
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world and maybe the world, at least America, from the depression that we had was the New
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Deal and FDR and that was democratic socialism.
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It may be...
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Of which you have become a card-carrying member.
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I don't have a card yet.
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That might be the most important...
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That's the problem with the democratic socialists, they can't figure out the USPS.
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It's a federal system.
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They got great ideas, but I'm telling you the actual nuts and bolts of it, it's difficult
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to do.
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Alex Jones wants to go back to the Pony Express.
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It worked better.
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But it might be the most important thing now to build that voice in America for the coming
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disaster.
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Because those are the ideas that can save us from the inevitable future crash.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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That's just some thoughts I've been kicking around in my head.
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But it's not gonna happen until the crash happens.
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That's the reality of democratic socialism, is it's a prescriptive measure.
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It's never going to be a preventative measure, unfortunately.
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It's better now to build up that voice than to start when the crash happens.
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No, I know, and it'd be great if we had a national party who was like, this is the way
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to go.
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This absolutely is what we need to do and align ourselves with, instead of a national
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party that's like, you guys are right, but what if we don't do what you say and instead
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keep getting a shit ton of money from billionaires?
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You know what my theory is?
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I work this out a little bit.
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I believe that the Democrats and Republicans need each other because they are sort of warring
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versions of the same sort of thing.
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They're both beholden to massive corporate interests.
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They have slightly different hats they wear.
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But in large part, and granted, the GOP has gone way off the track now.
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They're bananas.
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But, I mean, to...
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They're literal Nazis now.
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Well, to look at it two years ago, they were sides of the same coin, and the GOP itself
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is still a largely corporate beholden special interest party, and so are the Democrats.
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The GOP is already crumbling to the libertarian patriot wing or whatever of it.
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The loony Nazis.
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Which speaks to, like, the defense of Roy Moore that we're seeing is bananas.
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And the fact that they're fine with it...
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Is it?
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Yes, it is.
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Because the part that supports him are the libertarian patriot wingdings.
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And that is why he has the support he has.
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If he was a mainline conservative GOP member like Paul Ryan or something like that...
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Or the fucker who got voted out in Virginia.
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He would be fucked.
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And that, to me, spells what we will see in the coming years.
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I think in the next few years, you're going to see the corporate Republican establishment
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completely destroyed and replaced with this hyper nativist pro-libertarian party.
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It's like if the Know Nothing party took over and became the national powerhouse.
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The dangerous part about that is that libertarian party?
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The proto-libertarian?
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Proto is not the right word.
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Nazis.
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Right.
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That party doesn't need the Democrats.
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So they can fight much harder in a way that the Republican establishment would seek to
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maintain the Democrats as their foil.
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That party wouldn't.
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No, of course.
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And that's scary because those corporate Democrats aren't going to fight back.
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And they don't understand.
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They don't...
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They can't understand that.
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Because their only...
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Their only ideology is ultimately compromise.
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We think that it's fine.
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So long as, buh.
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Like that's...
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When you're fighting against people like Alex Jones, who are like, okay, everybody who doesn't
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agree with us fucks kids.
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You're not going to be like, you're not going to be like, okay, well, we will give you a
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harder border.
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Chuck Schumer is a vampire.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So long as you stop calling us vampires.
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That's your compromise.
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There is...
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Like they're stupid.
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Well, and there is no like...
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It's not like there's no compromise.
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It's that in the minds of the Alex Jonesian libertarian patriot right, there's no interest
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in compromise.
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No.
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There's only interest in like what he always talks about, crushing, growling.
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Yes.
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It has nothing to do with governance.
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It has nothing to do with policy.
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No.
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Because if you're ostensibly a originalist constitutional GOP-er, you can't vote for
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somebody who's violated the constitution.
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That's something that you can't justify.
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If the guy you're voting for has been kicked out of his judgeship position twice for violating
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your constitution that you fucking love so much, and then you're like, okay, yes, he's
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done that.
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We're still going to vote.
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We're going to vote for him.
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Right.
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And then you're like, well, we hate pedophiles.
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Well, because he loves guns.
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And it comes out that he is a pedophile.
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He loves guns, though.
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You can't be like, oh, well, we're still going to vote for him.
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He loves guns and he's into the Trump agenda, in quotes.
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And what that means is that the Democrats were setting him up.
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He makes liberals...
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It's all a setup.
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He makes liberals look bad.
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Right.
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That's all they...
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He makes them really angry.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I guess the bottom line...
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He's against political correctness, you know, like the political correctness of age of consent
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laws.
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Yeah.
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The point that I'm trying to get to, I believe, is that the left needs to get on board with
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that knowledge immediately.
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And they won't.
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The time will come, and I think it'll come within the next few years, the dance of back
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and forth, aspiring to reach across the aisle kind of stuff, it's not going to have any
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stock and trade.
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Yeah, but that was gone the moment we had a black president.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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And Obama was the best, period, and Obama wasn't the best, even with aspirations of
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compromise and what have you.
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Right, right, right.
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He still fucked up a whole lot of shit.
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Yeah.
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But...
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Due mainly to his obsession with compromise.
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With Republicans and with financial interests and everything.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But the point is, that game is over.
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And it's not over because I'm saying you can't compromise with a patriot or with anything
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like that.
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I'm saying it's over because that will not be on the table.
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And, do you know how happy I am to hear you say that?
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I don't know.
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Do you know why I'm...
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I still don't think I'm as extreme as you.
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Do you know why I'm so happy about that?
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Why is that?
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It's because you have disagreed with me on that very point for months now, and finally
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you have come to the realization that there is no further compromise available with these
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people.
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I still believe that there are people who identify as conservatives out there in the
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world, citizens, who are not the problem that we're diagnosing.
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And I respect that, and I think that ultimately has been kind of a miscommunication between
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the two of us is matter of scale.
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But we're both in agreement that there is a certain group that is not just unwilling
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to compromise, ideologically opposed to compromise.
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And in that situation, there's no possibility of compromise.
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I am agreeing with you in so much as there is a part of it now, but what I'm talking
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about more...
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And that's why white genocide is fine.
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Wait, what?
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Oh, you weren't gonna go there?
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Oh, okay.
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That wasn't my next thought.
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Sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I apologize.
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What I'm talking about is there will be within a matter of years, I believe, probably...
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It gets exacerbated by election cycles too, so 2018 is gonna be a mess, 2020 is gonna
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be a mess.
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And I believe as we get closer to those, you're going to see a harsh swing in that direction
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with the people who are on the right in terms of the power base shifting.
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And if people on the left don't prepare for that in some ways, they're going to get steamrolled.
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It's going to be a complete disaster.
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Here's maybe the simplest explanation of why the Democratic Party itself is something that
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you should not trust in or appreciate.
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And that is that imagine in 2018 that the Democrats wind up taking both the House and
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the Senate and wind up actually getting a super majority, which is very possible at
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this point.
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If you start to look at the election results that we've seen, it's entirely possible that
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the anti-Trump fervor will absolutely propel the Democrats to majorities in both.
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Now, why is the Democratic Party the worst party that you want to have that?
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Because they still won't impeach Trump.
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Well, and they haven't fought for voting rights nearly as strongly enough.
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Like even with the results that we're seeing, even with the clear sentiment of a large portion
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of the population that shit's not going the way it should.
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If you have people who are disenfranchised, if you have people who are kicked off voter
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rolls, if you have these extreme gerrymandering situations, you're not going to be able to
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have the people's voice accurately displayed in the vote.
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Of course not.
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And the Democrats are complicit in that too.
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Agreed.
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I mean, it's very easy to blame gerrymandering on the opposite party, but it's both parties.
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Shit negotiation tactics.
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No, ultimately whenever they...
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So you can always find this shit somewhere where it's like, and people say there's no
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difference between Democrats and Republicans when you go into certain social issues, which
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is absolutely true.
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The problem is that the underlying factors which have contributed to those social issues,
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those are the things that Democrats and Republicans have ideologically agreed on in the past.
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When you talk about African-American rights in regards to, you know, just police shootings
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and the way that they're incarcerated at a higher rate, yeah, Democrats don't want that
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to occur, but Democrats are part of the reason it did.
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Like that's the reason that people say there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans
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is because sure, you can reactively say that we don't want all of this shit to happen,
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but if you are part of the reason it happened, then you got a lot of shit that you should
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be fighting for much harder.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I agree wholeheartedly and we'll see what happens.
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I hope everyone gets on board with something.
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It's going to be reactive.
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That's how Americans always work.
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That's why we have to be proactive.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well.
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We'll see.
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Anyway, let's get to this next clip.
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In this clip, Alexander Dugan...
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Anyways, Alexander Dugan is a monster.
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Good evening, Alex.
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My name is Andrea Fanasiev and I'm the host of The Russian Answer.
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My show is about geopolitics, strategy, and diplomacy, and we regularly follow you and
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your colleagues at Infowars, including your presence on social media.
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This should be another translator with subtitles underneath, which is like, we've never listened
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to your show, actually.
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Coming from the swamp of India.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Kevin Nealon.
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But after Clinton lost, they weren't able to accept it.
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It seems they don't have the strength of mind to recognize their defeat.
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Or they're suspicious about somebody else's involvement.
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You guys.
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Which is you and your colleagues in the independent American Patriot media.
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What they're really saying is that Americans underestimated Russia's ability.
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That's what they're proud of.
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See, when you're speaking of the civil war that is happening in America, the same civil
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war is happening in Europe, and in the same civil war, which was started 16 years ago
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in our country, the forces of good have also been victorious.
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Have they?
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And that's why we understand that today we are all in the same situation, whether it
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be Russians, Americans or Europeans.
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The globalists do not represent America.
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They are the enemy of the American people.
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And when you tell people, you are resistance, addressing your supporters, it sounds like
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a call to all the people worldwide to shake off the dominance of the globalist elites
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and establish in each of our countries our own American order in America, Russian order
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in Russia, Turkish order in Turkey.
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And this war and struggle is what unites us.
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Interesting.
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The Turkey was your third...
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That's a very strange list.
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Turkey was the other one you wanted to bring up there?
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Comedy comes in threes.
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It is kind of funny that Turkey is number three.
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Right.
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That might be a subconscious like, eh, come on.
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Yeah.
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Come on.
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Hey, we're going to fuck it with you.
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We're going to dictate.
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All right.
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Come on.
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Come on, guys.
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The way of the world is...
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Putin gets to say whatever he wants.
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Come on.
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Finally related dictatorships.
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Hey.
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Prior to a certain point, the global corporations, transnational corporations, the globalist
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elites were presented to us as the voice of the United States.
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But thanks to Trump's victory, we now know that there is a distinct difference between
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the American people, that's you, that's those who are the resistance to the globalistic
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dictatorship.
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Not the regular people.
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And the political elites, which organized color revolutions against us.
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Still not regular people.
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And they, the Soros's, the Clinton's, the Obama administration, the so-called deep state.
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Still not regular people.
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They also organized color revolutions against Trump, refusing to recognize the democratic
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victory of the American people.
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He lost by 3 million votes.
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Well, but also, I mean, the idea that, you know, you want to...
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This argument of we fermented color revolutions in other countries is not accurate.
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But that's...
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That's not entirely inaccurate.
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Well, there's a difference between fomenting them and supported people.
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Or perpetrating them outright.
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There's a thin line.
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But when you're trying to say that there has been an attempt to make a color revolution
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in America against Trump, at this point in history, after the election, there was only
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the Women's March and the immediate anti-Trump march, which were not color revolutions.
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No, they were peaceful protests.
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Which is pretty well covered under that old amendment.
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Yeah, but we're against it.
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Right.
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We only like the Second Amendment.
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But you understand what I'm saying.
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This underlies...
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Yeah, of course.
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This underlies that there is a perception that this peaceful protesting is a color revolution.
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Yeah.
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And if you believe that, then you have to believe that what they're complaining about
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in these other countries, Georgia, for example, that Alex is certainly a scholar on, Ukraine,
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that these color revolutions that happened probably were just peaceful protests.
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Well, it's amazing how in Saudi Arabia you don't see any of those protests, right?
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That's because everybody's happy.
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Well, Baras said that.
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Yeah.
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That's because everybody's happy.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Definitely has nothing to do with the horrible dictator regime that will crack down and murder
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you if you do.
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Oh, man, I can't wait to have one of those.
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And all of us united have to think about how we can resist this elite, we, the people,
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each defending our own system of values, have to engage in dialogue in terms of what do
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we want to build instead of globalism.
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And this time, to build it not in opposition to America, not in opposition to Russia, not
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in opposition to Turkey, not so that we fight each other to protect our narrow national
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interests, which is what the globalists impose on us, to fight with each other a civil war.
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We have to avoid this.
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People not allowing Alex to tell the communication and dialogue between us, exchange of ideas
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and differences on screen.
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So oh, man, he must be pissed.
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No, he looks like he's going to cry.
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He never lets people talk and he's let them talk for a good 15 minutes, an infinite amount
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of time in Alex Jones.
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But he lets anybody talk if they're like saying you're the best.
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And he's probably confused.
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You think so?
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Because they're being espoused, even Alex doesn't go that far.
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Well, he triggered like there's a lot of words that trigger him, like globalists and those
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sorts of things.
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And I've also realized I should just call myself out for this.
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I love how Alexander Dugan says globalists.
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And so I kind of say globalists.
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Whatever I say, globalists, I kind of do that.
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I kind of do a little Dugan impression.
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You like to do a little Dugan.
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Globalists.
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But yeah, he's triggered by those words.
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And when everybody's just sitting there, he's like, what a snowflake.
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You're so right.
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You guys are so right.
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I am awesome.
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I am awesome.
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It's like he's getting a Lifetime Achievement Award.
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A hundred percent.
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That's exactly what's happening.
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Absolutely.
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And he sees it as a culmination of his career, most likely.
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Right.
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Not realizing that, I mean.
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Furthermore, not realizing that that's a bad thing.
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And he does not want to reach the culmination of his career.
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This way.
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Exactly.
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Well, but also.
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That means it's the end of his career as well.
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But he doesn't want to wrestle with the fact that like.
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He would be ashamed of himself, like five years in the past, looking at what he's become.
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Yeah, I do believe that.
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You think so?
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If we because we go back and we look at the 2012 version of him before he was hawking
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these weird supplements, he just had these fun Big Berkey water filters, hideyourguns.com.
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Hold on.
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Movie pitch.
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Right.
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All right.
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This is all a dream that he had when he was underneath that house in those toxic gases.
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It's possible.
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We write the whole thing exactly as it happened.
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Is it Jacob's Ladder thing?
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Then we do.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He's dying under that house.
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Oh, exactly.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Or we do a Christmas carol thing.
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Oh, shit.
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Right.
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The ghost of Buckley, which, by the way, Buckley has been dead since Alex was nine.
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Right.
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OK.
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So that's why Buckley is coming to visit him in a dream.
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Right.
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And then the other three ghosts.
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Larry Nichols.
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Ghost of Christmas Past.
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That's Larry Nichols.
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Exactly.
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Ghost of Christmas in Arkansas Past.
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Ghost of Christmas Present.
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That's Roger Stone.
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Totally.
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Ghost of Christmas Future.
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No.
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What about Pachannock?
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That's you.
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No.
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Yeah.
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You come back and you show them the Knowledge Fight grave where we've both been buried alongside
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each other.
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Right.
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I think Stone and Pachannock should be present.
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OK.
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They should do it together.
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I know that's kind of off script for A Christmas Carol.
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Yeah.
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Do they have to read their lines simultaneously?
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And they should be bickering a little bit.
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Because...
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You mean like the old guys.
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Like Statler and Waldorf.
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Bingo.
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That's what you're going about.
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Bingo.
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I'm Sam the Eagle.
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Yup, yup.
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There it is.
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So it's a Muppet Christmas Carol.
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A Muppet Nationalism Christmas Carol.
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Starring Captain Picard.
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So at this point, Alexander Dugan has really just hung the balls.
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Who also played a Nazi in the green room.
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Wait.
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Dugan did?
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No, no, no.
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No.
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Captain Picard.
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What's his name again?
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Jean-Luc.
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Patrick Stewart.
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Patrick Stewart.
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No, he played a Nazi in the green room.
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I highly recommend Green Room.
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It's amazing.
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Great film.
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Sounds good.
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Great film.
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Alia Shawkat, isn't it?
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She's great.
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From Arrested Development.
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Fantastic.
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So eventually, Alex Jones does get to speak.
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And here's what he says.
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And they're so arrogant, they write books.
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You know, David Rockefeller, they've all written books, Zbigniew Brzezinski admitting
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this.
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I mean, people ask how I knew what was going to happen 20 years ago and how it all came
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true.
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I don't have a crystal ball.
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They write books admitting their plan, even admitting that it's maniacal.
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But they laugh at the public like they're too stupid to read it.
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That's actually how they end the books with a maniacal laugh.
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Dugan has got to be laughing in the middle of this interview.
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Nah.
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He says, I'm going to read this from this Big Think article.
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To see what Dugan might advocate specifically, we can look to his bestselling book, The Foundation
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of Geopolitics, from 1997, which had particular success among Russian military and, according
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to foreign policy and Dugan's own words, is assigned as a textbook at Russian military
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universities.
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The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century that would lead to Eurasia's
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formation, but also includes specific strategies for defeating or neutralizing the United States.
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These include destabilization and disinformation campaigns, using Russian special forces, and
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asymmetrical warfare, splitting alliances between US and countries like Germany and
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France, as well as fermenting division within the country itself, specifically singling
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out race relations.
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Can't see that happening.
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On page 367 of the first edition of the book, Dugan explains, quote, it is essentially important
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to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of
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separatism and ethnic, social, and radical conflicts, actively supporting all dissident
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movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political
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processes in the United States.
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Reports of that definitely haven't come out.
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It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American
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politics.
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Like who?
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Like a guy named Trump.
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So he wrote a book about this.
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Alex Jones is going on.
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Are you saying that he outlined his plan 20 years ago?
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Yeah.
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Perhaps we could have known what was going to happen to us if we had read this book.
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Well, and Alex could know that if he had read the book.
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He is literally maniacally laughing right now.
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As he has Alex on the show.
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As he has Alex on the show, he is going, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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I mean, there are Russian companies that paid for troll accounts that specifically fermented
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race division on both sides.
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Yeah.
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As white nationalists and as black nationalists.
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No, there were so many Facebook setups and all of that stuff.
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They've all come out.
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Not all of them, but many of them have come out where you're like, wait a second, we got
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money from Russian sources.
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We didn't even know.
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How did they do that?
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And it's like, well, because Facebook is evil and so on.
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They used cutouts and what have you.
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And it all traces back.
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And a lot of this fits suspiciously the philosophies and the plan laid out by Alexander Dougan
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in a book that he wrote in 1990 fucking seven as a vision for Russia in the 21st century.
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Also, I mean, if you want to talk about like asymmetrical warfare, you can't get better
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than Infowars in terms of what we've been talking about already.
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The idea of branding your enemies as demons.
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Or not just that, but when you start talking about literal asymmetrical warfare, what else
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could you describe Syria as?
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Russia doesn't really have anything to gain from fighting in Syria or even negotiating.
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No, they have the money that they've given to Assad.
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But that's exactly the point.
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They can walk away from that.
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All that that's really doing.
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Yeah.
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If they just said, nah, we're not going to do this, I don't think anybody would really
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notice except for the Syrians who are dying.
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Right.
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And Assad.
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It would be wild.
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Yeah.
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It would be like, why are you guys doing that?
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And they'd be like, well, because we really don't have anything to gain from it.
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Not just that, but were you to depose Assad and put it in.
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No.
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Put in somebody else.
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Guess what?
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We would still be able to negotiate a contract with them.
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Right.
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Because guess what?
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You guys don't fucking live near here.
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Yeah.
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What are you doing here?
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Mm-hmm.
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That's the larger question that we should be asking.
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What is the United States doing there?
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I don't know.
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Well, I mean, I kind of know.
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I think I-
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No, humanitarian efforts, but at the same time-
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Well, there's that.
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We've fucking bombed hospitals.
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So what do you say about America?
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Humanitarian efforts is the idealistic version of it.
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Yeah.
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But there are geopolitical reasons why, as a hinge, Syria is incredibly important.
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One of which is to counter the Russian asymmetrical warfare.
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More or less.
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It's kind of comical on a certain level.
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It is a silly ouroboros.
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And a lot of it is laid out in Alexander's book that he put out, and Alex getting on
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the show and talking about David Rockefeller's books, or Zbigniew Brzezinski's books, or
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you know, that John P. Holdren textbook that he always goes back to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, it's all in there.
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I've read these things, and they don't say what he acts like they say.
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So the fact that he is talking about how these globalists put out these things about how
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they're going to poison the water supply, and they think you're too stupid to read them,
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it's like, Alex, you're misrepresenting those.
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Meanwhile, the guy that you're talking to did put out a book that very clearly, unfortunately,
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we couldn't have known until now, has laid out what happened to us last year.
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Perfect plan.
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And you were a part of it.
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You were a fucking part of it, Alex.
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That'll be interesting to see in the history books written by, of course, the fish people
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who survive in our post-climate change world.
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Who then have happy faces.
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They will be so happy.
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No more human terror on their face.
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Exactly.
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They don't even have to deal with humans at all.
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Because global warming will have lifted up the sea level to the point where they can
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live anywhere.
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They will actually rule the, look, Planet of the Apes, unbelievable.
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Planet of the Fish Men, totally true.
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There will be a Forbidden Zone, but it'll be different.
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It'll be underwater.
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In the Forbidden Zone, made uninhabitable by man.
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The history books, it seems like Dugan should play such a huge part in the retelling of
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this circumstance.
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Let me give a slight caveat, just in case we're trying to paint him as a mastermind
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or anything like that.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not saying that.
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There may be more important figures that I'm unaware of who have espoused similar things
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to him.
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That's entirely possible.
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I would say-
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The only reason that he comes up so much in terms of our investigation is he is a very
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legitimate philosopher in terms of putting out philosophy books and geopolitical strategy
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books.
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He exists in Infowars.
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He exists as someone who Alex Jones clearly has interacted with.
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He's on Alex's show.
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Alex has been on his show, and the fact that he's on Alexander Dugan's show fairly close
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after the election means to me that they were in contact before.
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Of course.
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And not only that, I have to assume that other people that Alex Jones is in, or in his periphery
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were in touch with him.
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People like the Paul Craig Roberts's.
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People who are the guests on RT that Alex also has on his show.
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The Robert David Steels.
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Those types of people were probably... I can't see a world where there isn't some communication
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between these folks.
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Oh, of course.
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And that doesn't mean that there's some sort of crazy conspiracy.
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That just means they were in contact before the reveal.
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Like context-like.
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The prestige, as it were, which is Alex going on Dugan's show.
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No, I'm not saying he's going to go down in history as the big guy, but he should be in
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the Heinrich Himmler role.
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There's a certain part of all of this that can be traced directly back to his ideas.
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And if his textbooks-
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And again, his ideas might have been building on other people's ideas too, that's entirely
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possible.
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No, of course.
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But he fucking nailed it.
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It's tough to get away from that.
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It's tough to get away from these things that he has espoused since 1997 have come true.
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I suppose your other argument against that though is it's a pretty tried and true plan.
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Sure.
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I mean, it's a solid plan.
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It's worked in the past on a smaller scale.
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This is just the first time it's been pulled off on a global scale.
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I would not think...
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Like that's how he took down Venezuela and that kind of shit.
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Yeah.
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Like it's essentially the same plan.
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I mean, I imagine... Or Guatemala.
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Or Guatemala, yeah.
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With bananas and shit.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But, yeah.
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I don't know.
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Or Hawaii.
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That's how we got them.
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Listen, I live there.
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I'm very sensitive about King Kamehameha.
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I know.
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We fucking murdered everybody.
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So we got one last clip of Alex's appearance on Alexander Dugan's show.
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It's just a long chunk because Alex-
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Is he allowed to talk?
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Yeah.
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Because he's into Alex on Info Wars mode.
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Okay.
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It's super interesting because we get to see some of the narratives that he spouts on Info
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Wars.
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And how Dugan responds to them?
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Eh, not really.
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Not really.
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You can just sort of hear him... You can hear stuff in the background, but that's because
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they have a translator.
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Yeah.
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Because Dugan doesn't speak English.
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Right.
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He speaks Russian and some English.
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Right.
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So there's muttering in the background from a translator and... Here we go.
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That translator must be having a great day.
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Oof.
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So I was able to take it, put it into pop culture, make it interesting, and now people
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understand the score.
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More and more people see it, and that's why the political elites are panicking right now.
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Yeah, it's four to one.
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And that's why it's so exciting to see humanity coming out of the dark ages into the true
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information age and seeing the internet that the globalist hijacked from DARPA that they
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thought would be a tool of surveillance and control, and seeing it all blow up in their
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face.
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It's a very magic time to be alive.
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We have the initiative, but we just can't let these globalist nihilists start a nuclear
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war in some type of fit, because Hitler, in his bunker in 1945, as the Russians were closing
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in from the east and the Americans from the west, if he would have had nukes, he would
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have launched them and blown up the world.
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So the problem is we have Hitlers today, Hitler-type psyches that'll overturn the whole world in
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their power.
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Like a child tweeting, another child tweeting back at him or responding to him, or a dictator
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who is clearly cleverer than most of the other world leaders that we're dealing with, despite
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his rampant James Bond villain aspects.
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But also, this underlies something that Alex has talked about a whole bunch, and that is
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that he believes that Hitler didn't die in that bunker.
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So he's making a metaphor that unfortunately presupposes Trump isn't going to behave like
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that, which he has, but also presupposes that he doesn't really give a shit if Hitler died
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in that bunker.
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He's just going to use it for political points whenever he wants.
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Okay, but if Hitler did, so I'm ambiguous on whether or not I care about whether or
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not Hitler died in that bunker.
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I'm inclined to believe he didn't.
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I like to think that he died in a knife fight in Brazil.
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Okay.
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So that'd be fun.
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Sure.
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I'm inclined to believe he didn't, but if he did, cool.
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And if he didn't, also, I mean, we have much bigger issues.
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Project Paperclip does exist.
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Like that was real.
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Unless Hitler is still alive, in which case I don't know if we have any larger-
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Then we need the life extension technology.
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Exactly.
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He found the holographic-
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See, now there we go.
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Oh no.
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Now we figured it all out.
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It's actually Hitler this whole time.
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And you know what?
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The best way to disguise yourself is to become Russian and get a huge beard.
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Ah.
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Maybe Dugan is holographic medbed survived.
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Who cares?
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This is stupid.
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But like-
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Actually, you know what?
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I'm going to go with Rex Tillerson.
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Boy's from Brazil.
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Interesting.
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He is a clone of Hitler.
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Well, but like the-
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You heard it here.
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The idea that Hitler did survive and lived in South America-
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Alternate universe news from next year today.
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We have so many people who should have been punished because they had scientific expertise
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and we didn't want Russia to absorb them.
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We just like, get over here.
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We did a ton of that.
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And the idea that Hitler would have escaped punishment is tragic in historical hindsight.
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But if it did happen, it just sort of falls in line with clearly weren't really interested
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in punishing anybody if they had something to offer us.
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So that part of it, whatever.
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The Nuremberg trials didn't hit everybody.
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And the idea, like the CIA would have lied about that, I don't really think is that big
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a deal.
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Like if the CIA did know that Hitler escaped to South America and lived out his years as
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some sort of like fake monk or whatever, I believe that's what some people believe.
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I haven't done too deep a dive into it.
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But if they did lie about it and say that he died, I don't really think that's the biggest
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lie in the world.
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I think history should correct it, but at the same time, I don't think that's nefarious.
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Because for national morale, it is a good thing to believe that he died.
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So you're saying that Osama bin Laden is still alive.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And he's in South America getting into knife fights.
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With Hitler.
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Tillerson.
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And hey, why not?
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Pol Pot is in there too.
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Sure.
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Throw them all in there.
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Now see, that's a TV show right there.
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That's like the real world.
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Yeah.
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What happens when seven should-be-dead terrorists end up living there?
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Who cares?
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Let's finish this clip.
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Our quest to stay in control and to keep on willing.
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Chairman Mao got kicked out of the house.
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Ensure that better minds in the intelligence agencies, the military, and other areas who
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really I've been critical of previously, but who've been the unsung heroes behind the scenes,
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and not just here, but also in Russia, blocking the globalist from their megalomaniacal activities.
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And that's really the most important point I could make.
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Alex, I have one question for you.
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And my question is- You crazy, bro?
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How do you ever get over the stereotype, the wrong stereotype, that Russia is still the
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Soviet Union?
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Great question.
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Well, I just study history and I mean, if you know that Russia was exploited by multinationals
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just like China was a couple- So real quick before we get back into that,
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because there is some truth to the idea that the oligarchs did wield very corrupt power
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in Russia for a time, but the idea that- No, Russia has had perhaps the longest running
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stretch of the worst governments- And it continues.
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For- Man, they are amazing at it.
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But, but, but, but, but I want to point out the true comedy of Alex Jones being on Russian
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television and some guy asks him, how do you disabuse yourself of the wrong notion that
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Russia is still the Soviet Union on the show of a guy who has espoused the creation of
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the Eurasian Union, which is essentially the recreation of the Soviet Union.
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That's bizarre.
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And then Alex should be like, I study history.
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You know what's even more amazing about that?
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That's almost an incredulous question from them.
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Like how do you lie to yourself about what we're doing?
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That's how I heard it.
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Yeah.
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That's how I heard it phrased.
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Let's scroll back- They're shocked by it.
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Like, how are you so stupid that you convince yourself what we're doing is not the most
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obvious thing?
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I've scrolled back impossibly too far, but let's listen to the tone of that again, because
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I do think that that's kind of- That's kind of the subtext?
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He has to correct himself.
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The wrong notion.
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You know, like how do you free yourself from the notion?
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The wrong notion.
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Alex, I have one question for you.
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And my question is, how do you ever get over the stereotype, the wrong stereotype, that
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Russia is still the Soviet Union?
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Well, I just study history and I mean, if you know that Russia was exploited by multinationals,
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just like China was a couple hundred years ago, when it was under colonial control, and
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it was basically manipulated for my research, I mean, you guys know more than I do, obviously,
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being in Russia, but some of those corrupt kingpins and people, some are worse than others,
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just made deals to exploit the resources and the people.
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And then Russia started coming out of that with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and
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then basically was then able to kick the oligarchs out who thought they just privatized Russia
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and exploited it.
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You still got problems, obviously, with corruption, like everybody does, but you're coming out
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of it, coming up from the bottom, like a swimmer coming towards the surface, and the United
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States is still kind of hitting the bottom, and hopefully we can follow Russia's lead
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and come back up to the surface as well.
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You know how you get up from the bottom of a pool?
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You suppress the press.
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No, everybody gets guns.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You shoot down and then you fly up.
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It's like in space.
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Yeah, that's really smart.
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Yeah.
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That's very smart.
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That's why the Second Amendment is important.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because you might be-
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Getting up from the bottom of a pool.
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You might be able to stabilize families, stabilize the Russian culture, resuscitate it from the
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long communist nightmare, and bring a true free market, more Renaissance innovation back,
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which I welcome and think is a wonderful thing, and I think Americans fundamentally look at
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what we always learned about Russia, some of it true, some of it not, and it's corruption
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and it's authoritarianism, and we see those very authoritarianisms being set up here.
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Oh, you're so close.
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And so we laugh.
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We know it's the globalist.
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You're so close.
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We want our nation screwing us over.
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And to say the Russian boogeyman that's trying to get on its feet, I mean, it just doesn't
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work.
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Russia has a GDP, as you know, of Italy, and it's certainly not manipulating this country.
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We know who's manipulating us, and it's the Fortune 100.
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And so we want those oligarchs, those outside models-
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Oh, you're so close.
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So close.
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So close.
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So close.
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We want our country back.
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We want Americanism, not globalism.
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We want a Russian national system of pride and success and wealth, and not globalism.
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We want to all compete with each other and add to each other with good sportsman-like
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conduct in the human species towards the stars.
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And openly kill gay people.
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Isn't that weird?
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What?
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You guys don't talk about that?
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Where Obama tells African journalists, you can't have cars and air conditioning on a
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jumbo jet.
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We fundamentally reject the new world order of the globalist, of the eugenicist, of the
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vestigial British empire.
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Not the British people, but the British empire itself.
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Look at how the EU and this whole global system is being rejected from the very place it's
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sprouted, England.
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I mean, the Brits aren't bad people.
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They've been exploited for this global empire, and they're understanding it now as well.
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So there's a huge awakening, and I think it started with people like Barry Goldwater,
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Ron Paul, Alexander Shultz, and Eason understood it.
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And we're different people from different perspectives seeing the same thing, because
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it's not just some ideology we cooked up.
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We're seeing the real world, and the globalists can't stand it.
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So Barry Goldwater, crazy.
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Super crazy.
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Ron Paul, deeply racist past.
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Super crazy.
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And then also some good ideas about non-interventionism and what have you.
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Yeah, yep.
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They always get you.
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That's how they get you.
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That's how they get you.
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That's how they get you.
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And then Alexander Solzhenitsyn, great man, lived through the gulags, winner of six Edwards
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awards for committing racist acts.
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Very, very strange trio.
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So that's the end of the clips that we have.
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But as a little bit of a punchline, I'm going to go through some of these RT videos that
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I didn't pull clips from because, you know, I can't get everything taken.
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You can find all these on YouTube.
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The UN is a Nazi movement.
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These are clips put out by RT with Alex Jones, and these are the headlines that they've given
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them, as if they're using him as propaganda.
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No idea.
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The UN is a Nazi movement.
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The UN needs to be abolished.
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Alex Jones talks Texas secession.
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Where's the one?
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Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA.
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That's true.
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They just posted a clip of him getting in a fight with anti-Trump protesters.
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No story there, just them calling...
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Check this shit out.
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Alex Jones and gay rituals at Bohemian Grove.
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The media put a spin on WikiLeaks.
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Total control grid designed to predict the future.
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There's one in here...
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I like that one.
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That one, not related to the others in the same way.
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No, I can't...
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It's not scrolling down here.
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Oh, here we are.
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Anders Breivik was a Mason's patsy.
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Oh, that's true.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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No, that's 100% true.
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Holy shit.
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Anders Breivik?
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He's not a Mason's patsy.
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Haven't you seen Anders Breivik's first movie?
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I'm a Mason's patsy?
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Do you know who that is?
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It's a wonderful Breivik.
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He's from that movie, right?
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No.
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He's a banker.
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He set off...
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Angel.
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He set off a bomb in Norway.
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No, I know the guy.
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Okay.
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And then he shot up a bunch of kids and shit.
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I know the guy.
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I know, he's a fucking monster that other people have hailed as a hero for his fucking
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white supremacist bullshit.
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Yes, I'm aware.
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And there was another copycat...
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A big hero of neo-Nazi types.
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Yeah, there was another copycat that's followed after him.
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He's been a huge influence on the white supremacist movement.
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And Paul Joseph Watson, to go back to our last episode, would probably call him a libertarian
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blogger.
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Loves him.
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Loves him.
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Libertarian blogger.
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So, I mean, look, I don't think that we've proved anything necessarily in this exploration
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of Alex Jones' time on Russian television.
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But according to a certain level burden of proof, I agree.
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According to...
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Where are you at?
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Where are you at?
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Okay.
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So, you remember...
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Because you hadn't heard any of this.
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Do you remember in old...
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Do you remember that old duck season, wabbit season?
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Looney Tunes?
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Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck?
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You remember how eventually they get to the point where...
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Elmer Fudd?
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Daffy Duck.
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Daffy Duck has put up a million different signs, all shaped like arrows, pointing directly
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towards Bugs Bunny's hole, saying, rabbit.
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That's where I'm at right now.
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That's how you feel?
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It's not 100% proof.
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You haven't gone inside of the rabbit hole and pulled Bugs Bunny out.
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But I'll be goddamned if there aren't a million signs pointing to that hole where one particular
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rabbit may be sitting, smugly, chewing on a carrot.
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But rabbit...
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I mean, it's not Alex.
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No, absolutely not.
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The rabbit is, in this case, Dugan.
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Alex is the dumb idiot who's confused by whoever's saying rabbit season.
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I think our Looney Tunes metaphor is gonna fall apart.
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I think I'm crushing it.
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Okay, let's just call him Porky Pig.
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Let's call him Porky Pig, because at the end of the episode, when we're all dead, he'll
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be like, I'm still here, motherfuckers.
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That's all, folks.
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Yeah.
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As the nukes go off in the background.
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I don't know, man, I mean, it's a bummer, but it doesn't...
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To me...
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Dr. Info Wars, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the, wait, what?
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I'm a racist, huh?
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To me, quite frankly, all of this just mirrors all the stuff we've already seen on his own
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show.
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Yeah.
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But it's interesting to look at what he is willing to say and where he's at on foreign
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media.
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And not just foreign media.
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It's foreign media run, in this case, by...
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State-owned propaganda outlets.
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And a philosopher who has espoused plans to crush America or neutralize America in the
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past.
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That bear striking resemblance to plans that were affected correctly.
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And when you look at the fact that he is willing to push the Russian version of history on
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Russian television, and RT has now been forced to sign up as a foreign agent, it's bad.
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It's a bad look.
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Well, when you talk about collusion, so what exactly, practically, is the difference between
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collusion and cooperation, right?
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Now collusion would suggest that prior to pulling off all of these narratives, they
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discussed it and reacted accordingly and put out the same things, similar timing.
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At the same time, cooperation just suggests, I see this person with similar motives, I
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am gonna amplify them.
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He sees me with similar motives, I am gonna amplify him.
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And that's not a crime.
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No, it's not a crime.
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But in effect, it's the same result.
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So who fucking cares whether or not it is collusion or cooperation?
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They need to be fought and destroyed in the same regard.
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So whether or not you want to say that Alex is on the payroll is immaterial to actually
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solving the issue, which is that Alex is beholden, at least, and ultimately is on the payroll.
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Like, whenever you get an inflated viewership number, you're gonna get better ad shit.
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You're gonna get better, what, exposure in the same way that Trump got $2 billion worth
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of free advertisement from our shitty...
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Yeah, exactly.
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In the same way, it doesn't fucking matter where or whether or not it's a direct payout,
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it is still a payout.
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Well, Alex even talks about that.
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Like if you go and watch MSNBC or NBC, you'll see ads for Northrop Grumman and it's like,
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they're gonna sell a tank to a consumer or whatever, that's a payoff.
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They have the ad there as a way so they can give them money and they're like, okay, Alex,
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now...
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Think about that.
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Let's take a step back.
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Slight little bit.
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So yeah, I mean, there are different ways of looking at it.
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But I agree that the nuts and bolts of it are not super important.
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What is super important is that...
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The effect it has.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the effect is unfortunately where we are now.
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Which again gets us back to why the Democratic Party is such a ineffectual group of people,
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at least at the top.
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And a lot of the media.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Because this story is right in front of everyone's faces.
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And it always comes back to billionaires.
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It always comes back to the oligarchs.
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They need to be destroyed.
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That's ultimately what democratic socialism, that's the goal at the end of it is.
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We can't have this level of inequality because that leads to an inequality in power.
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Yeah.
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That's the whole point.
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Well, it's one of the main points.
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It's one of the main points.
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Yeah.
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And from which you find so many other social justice platforms.
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Once you expand power to a far more equivalent extent, you wind up finding many of those
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other issues are solved along the way.
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And it's unfortunate that we can still...
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We all can kind of diagnose it.
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We're all aware that that's the problem.
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Alex even is, to some extent.
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Alex is aware that it's the problem.
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So many people are aware that the issue is, like with the opioid crisis, regardless of
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whether or not you are on the right or the left, everybody is aware people are overdosing.
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Everybody is kind of aware that there was a massive advertisement campaign based on
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these companies that wanted to sell extremely addictive heroin to many people.
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And they did it.
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And loose laws written by people who were in the pocket of big pharma.
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Because they were in their pocket.
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We all know that.
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They're just so smart, or at least they're clever enough.
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They have a low level cunning to convince a massive section of the population that it
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is in fact the people who are trying to help them who are the cause of their problem.
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That is the sleight of hand that will destroy the human race.
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So the sleight of hand to Alex's portion of it, too, is he has these ads that are all
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like, conservatism is the counterculture.
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And these sort of ideas that he puts out, when in reality, even with Trump, really,
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it's just the maintenance of a gross status quo.
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It's not really, Trump isn't a counterculture.
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He's not really fighting globalists.
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He's on board with a lot of the things that Alex is saying.
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I'm certain of that.
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He'll never put Goldman Sachs people, Hillary's in the Goldman Sachs campaign.
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Five out of his eight cabinet members were Goldman Sachs people within the first week.
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It's nonsensical to some extent.
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But the other piece of it that is more dangerous, I think he does agree with Alex on, and that
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is some of the geopolitical ideas that he has in terms of rejiggering power dynamics
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and getting away from the U.N. and those sorts of things, which, again, I mean, we've gone
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over this already even in this episode.
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The U.N. is problematic in many ways, but it is necessary and would come up no matter
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what alignment you have in terms of nationalism, globalism, all this stuff.
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You would have that body in some form or another.
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Well, what we're finding out with Trump, I think, is that we can either fight domestic
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policy or foreign policy.
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We can't successfully fight both.
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Like on domestic policy, we're fighting really hard.
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We're trying to keep health care.
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We're trying to keep them from destroying the tax codes under attack.
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At the same time, they are dismantling the EPA.
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They are dismantling their appointing judges who are literally people who have never tried
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a case before, which is spectacular.
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And that's something that is in the news that we won't even remember next week.
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We'll have no idea, because then we're going to be off on why is he in fucking China ruining
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everything?
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Why is he tweeting in North Korea?
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Why did Roy Moore still win?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And we keep going back and forth.
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We can fight one or the other, but when we're fighting both, we're going to wind up losing
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on both fronts.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well.
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I mean, it's the question of like...
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But that is the neutralization of America that is sought by these quote-unquote anti-globalist
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powers that really aren't against globalists so much as they are against the encroachment
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of the UN, which is holding up international sanctions against encroaching on your fucking
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neighbors like you did in Georgia and Ukraine.
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Which is even crazier, or not crazier, it is kind of interesting because many of the
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UN nation states often espouse that very similar center-right policy that they like so much.
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It's just they don't get their countries back.
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That's the only real disagreement at the end of the day between the klepto-fascist UN and
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the klepto-fascist Russians.
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Congratulations.
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We're all going to die.
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Anyway, let's wrap this up.
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Oh, do you mean by solving foreign policy issues?
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No, because in recognition that we won't, let's just not try.
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Okay, fair enough.
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But we can solve...
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That's not a very democratic socialist attitude.
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I can solve one problem.
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If you need to go to a website, I have a suggestion.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Oh yeah?
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Go to our website.
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Yep, check it out.
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Some asshole writes a blog every Thursday.
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That's true.
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It's garbage.
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Don't read it.
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Oh, it's trash.
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Fucking...
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All I do is rewrite Pez.
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show and we would appreciate anybody becoming a policy wonk.
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It really, really helps.
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And we've added a new level in between foreign policy wonk and globalist is Coyote.
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You're going to join my group of my roving band of coyotes.
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Now you will have to get gene therapy and become part coyote and become a human-animal
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chimera.
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It's a strange thing.
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I wrote a paper about it in the 80s.
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I've been telling people about this for years.
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Yeah, only Alex Jones has ever paid attention.
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It's weird.
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He's the only one who reads my blog, I'll tell you that right now.
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Beyond that, we appreciate you listening.
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Absolutely.
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Now here's one thing that didn't come up in my research that I think is weird.
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Yeah?
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CIA dentist?
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I could not find an instance of Larry Nichols being on RT, which seems weird.
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That does seem weird.
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Because they're very anti-Hillary.
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Like a lot of the times that these people who are Info Wars characters are on there,
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there's anti-Hillary shit in it.
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You'd think they'd call Larry.
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Absolutely.
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His phone number is public.
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You'd think they'd just give him a ring.
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Fuck, if we can call Larry, Russian intelligence can probably call him.
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Yeah, you'd think it'd get... and that's weird.
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Another person, John Rappaport.
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What about him?
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Can't find him on RT.
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That one makes more sense.
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That one makes a lot more sense.
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Even RT is like, what the fuck do we do with this guy?
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This guy's boring.
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Can you hang up that goddamn picture?
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That's gotta be... the Russians, one thing, they're tidy people.
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They prefer if you hang up pictures.
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Is that a Russian thing?
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I don't know.
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At the bread line?
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Nah, I don't know.
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Pictures were always hung up at the bread line.
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I really wish I would have prepared in any way and learned how to say, go fuck yourself
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in Russia.
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Because that would be amazing.
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That would be amazing.
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Anyway, go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
