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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes

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You like to sit around drink novelty beverages and have a little chitchat about Alex Jones

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There is however a twist to that correct one important twist. There's one big one

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It's like a it's like our blues traveler if you it's like a structure

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If you were going to Doc's us, it would be with our hook. We're our show to be a pretzel

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this

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Would be the thing in the middle and that is that I know a lot about Alex Jones

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I don't know anything about Alex and there we find our dynamic. Absolutely today

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We are celebrating a little bit because you're about to go on vacation. I'm about to leave

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I'm about to go to Iceland and see the glaciers right before they disappear forever. Absolutely

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So this week might be a little strange on the podcast

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I might be trying to get some replacement Jordans to fill in here and there but I don't know. We'll see what happens

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But for now, we're celebrating safe travels to you, sir. Wonderful. Give my best to the people of Helsinki. Oh, yeah, wrong country. Yeah

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Reykjavik

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Now we also have in backup, oh

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Did I say we're drinking Boone's farm you said we're drinking Boone's

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I don't think I did I think I just said because we're celebrating and I was gonna get to the fact

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Oh, you didn't. All right, we got boons. I've had too much boons already. I've had a couple of sips and I am drunk

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Yeah, now we have backup for drinks though indeed. And that as you have told me is

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built around

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Patriot what color is that box of paps blue ribbon? There is a red. There's a red stripe

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There is there's it's got a white background and a blue ribbon and a blue goddamn ribbon. That's for America

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That's American America that's gonna come into play. That's gonna be very important. Yeah, but it's more Chicago America, but you know

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Look Chicago's a great part of America. We love it. Absolutely being the things we love

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I'd like to give a shout out to our new donator. What's going on out there Kyle? I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you for joining up with the show

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You can do so by going to knowledge fight calm and clicking the support the show button. You should you'll become a policy wonk

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I recommend it. It's a high status position in these here parts

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So Jordan in these parts. Yes before you go on vacation

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I wanted to you know sit down with you record this episode because I needed you

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I couldn't allow the idea of you going on vacation without being up to speed on the what's been going on in

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2017 with Alex Jones. Oh, absolutely. That way I can jump right back in

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I'm sure nothing will happen in the next week. That will be very important. No the the rate of our political

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System and how everything is going. It's gonna be pretty static. Yeah, it's gonna calm down. It's really gonna be yeah

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Uh, so we're gonna be going over mostly August 4th

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Okay, Friday, August 4th, but in order to catch you up

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I'm going to be just discussing the narratives that Alex Jones has been pitching on August 2nd and 3rd

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Friday is the third right? No fourth

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We're recording this on Friday, holy shit, it's Friday, August 4th. Do you need to get to a plane? I'd rather not.

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That would be funny.

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You and your girlfriend both have the same date-based delusion

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So on the second, which is Wednesday

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Yeah, Alex Jones as I mentioned on the last episode on the first

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He was coming in with some new Seth Rich

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Shit. Yeah

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Yeah, he was coming in with another wrinkle in the Seth Rich case and then on the second he goes even harder

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He goes even further and that is because some audio was released of Seymour Hirsch

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award-winning journalist Seymour Hirsch

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Giving talking about how the Russian stuff is all nonsense and he knows

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who has like concocted all of it, uh-huh, and that he has been told by high-level sources that Seth Rich was the

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Fall guy. He was the guy. He was the guy who gave stuff to WikiLeaks

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But he also says I don't know if that murder was related to it. So that

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Could have just been a murder whatever you win some you lose. Crazy coincidence. It would be a crazy coincidence, right?

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So beyond that in the Seymour Hirsch tape, he's talking about how

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Seth Rich had come into possession of a bunch of these emails and what have you and

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He was trying to get money from WikiLeaks in exchange for me

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He was trying to sell them to WikiLeaks and he had indicated to people that he had given a locked

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Dropbox code a digital drop box right to some friends

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So even killing him wouldn't stop the dissemination of this information

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Uh-huh, that stuff would be very trackable also did hide stuff under a park bench indeed in Central Park. Yep

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Safest place absolutely like in the movies. Yeah, the problem with this narrative is

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first of all Seymour Hirsch

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the last statement that he gave was that he talked to

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The gentleman who oh god, this is such a twisted web

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So there was that Republican fundraiser that donor the big donor who had hired rod wheeler the private detective. Yes

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And got the family to sign off on it Seth Rich's family to sign off

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but he paid for it and was directing it and

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Now rod wheeler is suing Fox News for taking his words out of context and attributing quotes to him that he didn't say of course

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So that big donor is also the one who apparently recorded Seymour Hirsch saying these things

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I'm sure he doesn't have a vested interest in either direction. This is pure

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This is just about getting the truth out. Yes, and then beyond that Seymour Hirsch has said

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the only comment that he's made about the entire situation is that all he's heard is rumors and

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That the donor guy whose name always slips my mind

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I feel very bad about that

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But he actually just I think the quote was he heard two and two and put them together and made his own

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conclusion, okay now did Seymour

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Confirm that that was his voice and those were his recording. He does not made a comment about the actual tape

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Okay, it seems like it would be really important for him to make that comment. There are true

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There are some deep call. Well, I mean if you do a voice comparison, apparently it's pretty similar. Okay

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I don't know if I can scientifically say that. Yeah, it's believable that it is him

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But it is a real problem that he's you know

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making

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The statements that all I've heard is rumors and then on this tape. He's saying something that yeah

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It's coming off as not just rumors. Uh-huh, but it's explosive. Yeah, absolutely

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I mean the idea that Seymour Hirsch somebody who does have a

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a real track record in journalism as opposed to you know, all the people that we deal with the idea of him

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Giving credence to this I that you know, the Seth rich

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Conspiracy is a huge deal

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So if he isn't commenting on whether or not it's his voice and the audio comparison says it's him

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I think he's probably the guy who did it

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Yeah, yeah. Well, I

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I mean kill Seth rich. That's what he did. Yeah

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Wait, what are you talking about? I'm talking about Seymour Hirsch killed Seth rich. That's one theory. That's

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troubling if true troubling

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The thing that you also have to take into account with this is like Seymour Hirsch has won a couple of Pulitzer Prizes

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yeah, he is a

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Historically respected journalist. He's a real journalist, but he's also a guy who has believed

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Nonsense stories from anonymous sources

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Repeatedly throughout his career. Okay, there is a lot of criticism of him that you can find of people who are like

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This is absurd. This is absolutely absurd. He is believing

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People just telling him shit

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Yeah

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Like and he's even said that he has a different journalistic standard that he keeps himself to

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So if he gives a speech he doesn't have to hold himself to the standards that he has to hold to writing

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So he said quote sometimes I change events dates and places

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I can't fudge what I write, but I can certainly fudge what I say

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Sound great. Yeah, I can't lie when I publish things, but I will lie all the time if I'm talking or I can lie

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Yeah, and then there was also a really high-profile thing the fact that he didn't say forget the dates or you know, maybe I

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Missed you know mistranslated them. He said fudge which kind of suggests he's lying intentionally

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Yeah, so the other thing is that there was a pretty high high-profile incident of him

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claiming that the

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Abu Ghraib prison that soldiers were raping little boys and that they were being videotaped

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To terrorize people to terrorize detainees and the soundtrack of the screams would play

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And stuff like that. Wait American soldiers were raping little boys

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That was the that was the contention Wow, and it turns out that when he was pressed on that

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he pretty much backed down to saying

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Look some

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Contractor might have raped a young boy and someone might have taken a picture of it

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It's like well, there's a bit of a difference between these two stories. Yeah, I don't know what you like that embellish

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But I wouldn't put it beyond Blackwater. They've done all the all the atrocities you can do

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I'm not talking about what's true and what's not I'm talking about what is made what claims are made and then what?

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Explanations are given when asked about those claims. Yes

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So though Seymour Hersh does have a good track record with like the my lie massacre other things he's uncovered

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he does also have a problematic history of embellishing admitting he embellishes and

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and believing anonymous sources that are probably lying to him or

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Unreliable gotcha that has happened a bunch

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So I don't I can't take Seymour Hersh's word totally at face value from this anonymous

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Anonymously sourced clip right is published on Cassandra Fairbanks his website

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That's where I know that so it also has like a Providence problem like where it's ending up coming from

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Yeah, so Alex Jones is screaming about this for most of the day

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But I don't want to listen to that because it's nonsense so I have this clip instead for you

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And it's him sort of talking about

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He's still a little mad about John Oliver course and so he's in the middle of a plug and he

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Here's what he says with just water

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It tastes okay

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And I want you to try it with milk and a few ice cubes and tell me if it doesn't taste delicious

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The issue is though a lot of folks are using it for weight loss because it's so filling

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That's why some people now are actually

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Whipping it up in a blender and then freezing and eating it like telling yogurt ice cream or something

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I mean it we're gonna do a whole I'm doing a taste test. I think I'm going to

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Go down the hike and bike trail the whole setup and do a taste test of it

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Pepsi challenge from

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a

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Place like

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Wendy's if you're getting a frosty you're gonna get it from someplace like Wendy's maybe

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I'm gonna get a Big Mac

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like

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McDonald's I'm gonna get a peanut-buster parfait from a place that's like Wendy's as well. How dare you it's from the brazier

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It's from the Dairy Queen. I used to work there when I was 15. It was a miserable time

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So you have a lot of brand loyalty, but I did eat a lot of peanut-buster parfaits to lose weight

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They're so filling they were so filling right? That's him skirting the line of saying. This is a weight loss

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That's right on the line it is a lot of people are using it for weight loss because it tastes so bad

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You never want to eat again, right?

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Right, but you isn't it fascinating how like he's still it's still just in his craw that John Oliver

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Insinuated that one of his products tastes bad. Oh this and used his own reaction as evidence. Yeah, he's

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Furious about that. Yeah. No, that's completely in character

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I buy that I would be shocked if he just moved on from that totally like this is this is an affront to him

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This is an affront to his business and this is a reason that people might not buy shit

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Which is the only thing he cannot abide. Yeah, and he's petty. Yeah

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yes, so that's you know, most of the substance of the second is taken up with the

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The Seth rich narrative and I want to be fully fucking clear about this

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Infowars as an institution should I mean first of all, they don't have any credibility to begin with none

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But they should have lost their credibility

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Vis-a-vis Seth rich when they tried to pull that stunt where Jerome Corsi might get murdered this week. Yeah

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That's right. That's right. How quick we forget

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They pretended that Jerome Corsi was gonna get murdered is Jerome Corsi still alive

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Yes, he was just on the other day. I mean now I don't know as we record is Jerome Corsi alive

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This is Friday, August 4th. If by Monday, we don't know whether or not he's alive. I think we know what happened

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You're doing another weekend. I think we know what happened. This is bullshit. Seymour Hirsch killed him

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God got a lot of gotta keep eyes on that Hirsch

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Hirsch or the ghost of Seth rich did it I will buy both could have been a vindictive ghost. Absolutely

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So we move on to August 3rd, and it's Seth Rich's bones that are in that broth

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weight loss

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So

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Alex

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Surprisingly much to my surprise

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He actually drops the separate narrative just immediately

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You know why because on the third it came out that that info warrior got fired from the government

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So that was the story where oh, yeah

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That's right. The guy put out the whole globalist than a rather got fired from the National Security Board

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Good department and I see yeah

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because he had written a paper that had to do with how the globalists were trying to team up with

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The Islamic assists to overrun the country. Yeah, and

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HR McMaster said oh

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No, no you get out

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You get out cuz you are crazy. Yeah, of course, Alex Jones sees that as

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HR McMaster is a fucking globalist course, and he's trying to keep our people out

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And of course shoot as we all should from everywhere, but hold on

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I don't want to get a peanut-buster parfait from an info warrior. We're talking about Wendy's

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place like it gotcha, uh

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the thing that I think is super fascinating is if

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Alex himself believed that Seth rich was murdered by the DNC as his narrative would lead you to believe he believes

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He wouldn't stop

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Talking about it, right?

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He makes a big deal out of it for a day so he can come back to it a week down the road two

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Weeks down the road to become one of his new way stones, right? He just gets bored by it's like this would unravel everything

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Why don't you keep going down that road you dumb dumb? It's boring because well, he also just knows there's nothing here

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Yeah, of course. He knows that, you know push too far you start to realize. Oh my god

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It's other Russian aligned propagandists who are putting out this information

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shit

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So the thing that I think is really fascinating. I think you're gonna love this too. I think everyone's gonna love this. Okay is that

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Alex's main complaint is that they're trying to encircle Trump

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They're trying to cut off all communication with him from people who aren't approved by HR McMaster

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General Kelly, uh-huh, and who's the third one? I don't know bad dog Mattis

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So you got these this triangle of generals and hey, I'm with you. I don't want generals all over the place

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No, I'm not thrilled with that. I'm guessing they're gonna think everything is a nail and use the hammer that they're used to

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Yeah, that's I don't want a military coup. No, it turns out Alex doesn't either

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But what we have very different views on it because he thinks the globalists are using these generals to get Trump out in a military

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coup whereas

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Rational minds would look at it and say huh? You know what? He appointed all those generals. Yeah

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It's clearly doing this on purpose. Maybe they'll affect a coup for him

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Or maybe they will just maybe he's just frankly Trump is a moron

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Yeah, they can just tell him what they want him to do and he'll do it. You have an effective. Yeah

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It's effectively a military junta at this point. Hmm if the if the cabinet is all people it's it's

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It's fucking dr. Strangelove. Well, that's what we're dealing with to some extent

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So Alex believes that and maybe it's true. Maybe it's not I don't know that Trump is becoming incredibly isolated from outside

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Information sources right kill the snake at the head. And so he has he has this

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to say that I think is

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Fascinating because it it belies that something that he's based his entire

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Position on Trump on is a complete lie and he knows it and then folks that Trump has brought in

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To the National Security Council and brought in the State Department are writing papers on this for the State Department

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I have it my stack and they're getting fired. There's nobody in the State Department

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for writing papers quoting globalists quoting Peter Sutherland Al Gore

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and

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Of course George Soros in the BBC

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Saying we're getting rid of the West. We're getting rid of Europe. We're getting rid of free market. We're using Muslims to do it

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He is taking everything out of context. These people are not saying that that's what they're doing. It's in the BBC

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It's not but then beyond that I want you to keep like keep track of this

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Soros has been a globalist forever. Yeah, and Alex is mine. Oh, yeah

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This isn't a recent interview. He did with the BBC

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And everything that Al Gore has been doing has been on record. It's not it's not like last week

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He did something real globalist II or something like that like touch a glowing orb, right?

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Right, you didn't do any of those sorts of things. So all this is stuff that's in the past

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That's important to remember as the rest of this clip goes on and that Alex is lying about what globalists say

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admitting the plan and

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they don't want that being given out the government, but they've already admitted it and

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and Trump's a really smart guy when it comes to basic free market policy and trying to run the country but

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Folks that have talked to the president recently when you talk to him

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Reportedly those that have talked to him at length. I mean hour-long conversations. He's basically winking

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He doesn't know about a lot of this and they're isolating more and more

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The one little pinhole he gets now is Sean Hannity that he watches most nights. No, that's the pinhole

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And so thank God that's why they're trying to fire him

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So beyond that being kind of alarming that his pinhole into the world is Sean Hannity

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Yeah, the it's it's a great that the only way he gets a window into the outside world is through Sean

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Goddamn Hannity well beyond that

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I think what's more important to point out is that he's talking about what this guy was writing in these reports about

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globalists and all this shit

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Yeah, which is stuff deep in the past and Alex is saying that people who are talking to the president are saying that he's not

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Aware of that stuff which flies right in the no

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He's not a secret patriot that it flies right in the face of this clip from January 19th of this year. I

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Tell you it's an incredible time to be alive history's happening Trump's for real. He's anti New World Order

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He was let in on the whole communist

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Globalist plan back in the 60s by the congressional experts that had access to all the classified files

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And they went information. I'm releasing here on air and nobody else has I just want everybody to know that

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I think now is the time to even release that information

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So people understand exactly why Trump has been a patriot sleeper cell and I always said what if we had people

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That went along with the system like the leftists have done, but we're actually sleeper cells the other way around

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And it turns out that that's exactly what Donald Trump is

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But he doesn't know who Peter Sutherland is or what his plan dating back to that

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Oh, he's known about all of this since the 60s. What the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck?

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Where is the what are you making up all of it? Yeah, it has to be all of it. Of course of

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Fucking course. Oh

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He doesn't know about this stuff

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He needs this guy in the National Security Committee to write papers for him to keep him abreast of all these past

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Globalist act. He's a sleeper cell. He's been doing it since the 60s. He's been hip to all this. We've got a patriot

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He's re sleeper selling though. That's what he's doing cuz cuz try that's interesting cuz Trump may have

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Early-onset dementia. He has re sleeper selling. I think that's what's going on. That would make him the perfect

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Exactly deep cover guy. He doesn't know he doesn't even know. Yeah

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Yeah, it's not until he's activated by the digital Dropbox. So that as it relates to

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Trump being a secret anti globalist gentleman

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Who's at the door, I think it's a globalist it's a globalist at the door. Yeah, keep it locked end of this bit

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You're busted Alex you busted Alex

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so we go on a little bit on August 3rd, and he wants to talk more specifically about McMaster and these these other generals the

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Kelly and

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mad dog

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So you he's gonna he says this I don't want anybody named mad dog running the country doesn't sound great

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That's a bet. Look you can be a fighter pilot. You can be maverick. You can be mad dog. You can be Iceman

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you shouldn't be running the fucking country at the same time he seems much more competent and

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Sensible than a lot of the other people we got in the mix. That's true

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Still not good. Not great. But anyway, Alex has a different complaint about them than we do

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And he makes it here

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This is a lot bigger than you guys retiring with some Saudi deal or some five million dollar a year defense contract

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She can go play golf and live in your big fancy house with your stupid trophy wife like the president

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The globalists want to kill the country and are you really gonna ally with a billion and a half Muslims and really sell us

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Out to them because that's what's going on

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And and do you think you're ever gonna get away with that you think Trump is your problem?

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Trump's only one wave in this one manifestation of the awakening

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You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. You must join with us

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You must join with a republic. You must join with prosperity. You must join with Christianity

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You must join with common sense. You must join with the Renaissance. You must join with your ancestors and be honorable

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Which ones

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Confederate the old unwritten tradition the US military

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To kill all the Native Americans in charge of things that haven't shown their honorably brass and we also come from bad families

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In general you had to come from good families because you got to trust the genetic type of a person

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You are this new world order believing you're in this big multi-dimensional complex system of

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of joining with Islam on the grand chessboard to project power into the future and to control Islam as your

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Magic key to control Russia and China and all it's gonna do is bring us down

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It wants to destroy the West it wants to bring it down

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It wants to enslave everything you do not join with Islam. You do not join with cancer

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It eats your guts out and then it kills you like Priebus do you are Scaramucci?

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Do you think he knows what he's saying? He just said that there needs to be a genetic test basically

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He just said that if you come from good genes, yeah

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I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before except for the entirety of keeping black people away from any rights

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Yeah, I mean he always talks about how like he's basically calling other people savages. Like that's what he's fucking doing to

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Unbelievable without having to make much of a stretch from his literal text. Yeah, you can say that he's a fucking white nationalist

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That's absolutely white nationalist. No other explanation for that. That's beyond a dog whistle. Oh, yeah. That's harsh

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Oh, yeah, the that's David Duke level territory now

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He would hide behind saying like no, these are coward families or something like that

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Sure, you've your family fought for the Confederacy you dickweed. Yeah. Yeah, you fucking prick

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It's on fucking but he just called for it's all he means only white people

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That's what he means. Mm-hmm

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Explicitly. Yeah, I'm used to

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Handle the dog whistle, but I mean I can't handle that obviously in my history

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I'm not doing good with dog whistles, but this is fucking this is a step beyond right? This is unbelievable

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Yeah, whenever you get into like I mean, this is profoundly eugenics II

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Yeah, but beyond that even I want to go back to the beginning of the clip where he's saying like you have to come with

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Us you have to join with us. You have to join with prosperity. You have to join with Christianity

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Yeah, I can't think of any reason why that would be important. But like what kind of rhetoric is that? Oh, it's like

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Rhetoric, you know what? That's a lot like it's a lot like fucking

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Isis a hundred percent Isis. Yeah CNN and Alex Jones are Isis. That's a new button. That's our

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We'll just piggyback who cares. Yeah, let's just start throwing it

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We'll have a list and just start crossing things out as what is Isis at any given point in sir

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Well, I got a dry erase board. Yeah, exactly done. Okay, they're not Isis and at this point Isis isn't even as bad as Isis now

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I'm less scared of them than I am of Alex way more afraid of white nationalists. Yeah, I'm fucking believe

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So now if you want to take the sting off it a little bit

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I want to play you the end of that clip again, and then what happens immediately after it

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I'm gonna tell you this

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it's gonna get boring a little bit towards the middle of this clip, but it's worth it just to hang with it and

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I've not edited this at all. Okay. This is exactly what happens at the end of that clip

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We just listened to where he screamed about good families and you have to come with God white nationalists. Yep

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Yeah, here's what happens immediately after you do not join with cancer

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It eats your guts out and then it kills you

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Salespan

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Here's the facts

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We have the global is trying to shut us down every front

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but despite that you have increased your funding in support of our operations and your prayers and you're spreading the links and articles on every

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Platform you can nothing can stop you. You are our social media team listeners

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We need you to take action and we need your financial support. You are unpaid social media team. Yeah

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Actually you pay us

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So now beyond that this this clips gonna go on for a while

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But I kept it in its entirety because I think it's fun every now and again to take a nice look at his literal

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Like how he does this because John Oliver did a good job of covering a lot of the sales stuff

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yeah, but what he didn't do is actually play like a full commercial and I want to point out a couple things because

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This is the beginning of August. So that means that the June sales just ended or the July sales just ended

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Are you sure the Easter sales didn't just these their sales have been in effect for a while?

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They

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Might as well of our Halloween sales, I want to be clear

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This is a point that I want to make everything is always on sale

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Yeah, and you'll see it demonstrated in this clip. Exactly. We've ended the big free shipping specials

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All those products were about to sell out. So we've ended those specials as I said we would today

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But we're launching in the month of August the 1776 defend America's specials

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So does everything normally cost 35 52 it's something like that

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But look, here's the point I want to make first of all

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These are not that different than the sales they had before. These are pretty much the same sales except

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He's made all the prices 1776. Yeah

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1776. Yeah. Well, another point I want to make is if you want to turn yourself into the patriotic branded dollar store

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I like that. I

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like the

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1776 dollar tree you remember you've been there. It's the it's the Dollar Tree of Liberty. Yeah

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The tree of Patriot blood. Yeah, I think I think this really should highlight a

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sense of desperation

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Because I don't know what kind of markup they actually do but it can't be much more than like

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200% or so I I would disagree you think it's much higher than I bet it's I bet they're regular

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well, anytime you're talking about a business your your

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MSRP is usually 3.5 times. Okay, and then your discount is a lie

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Yeah, so you make 200% like it's two times. So 1776 theoretically would still be a

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200% of what he's paying roughly so he's still making like a hundred percent

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Profit. Yeah, it's that I I have nothing to back this up

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I can't actually speak to this if he ever actually sells anything by

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to anybody at retail

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Insane crazy unbelievable. Yeah, I were you're an idiot

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What I what I was more getting at is the idea that like his his shit is consistently on these big sales

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Uh-huh. Everything is pretty much consistently 50% off 60% off 55% off to get to

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The specials that we had these are the new specials the 1776 specials. Hell yeah and and and I see on there

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It says free shipping

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So here's the problem I have these ad meetings and then half the time I get them wrong

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And then that's okay cuz we got a few crew here. That's okay cuz that's your gain

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It says free shipping I guess to continue free shipping and I didn't know about it

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We'll see how long that goes

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I've gotta end that so I'm gonna say it's part of the 1776 special that runs for the month the free shipping only is gonna go

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For till next Monday, okay, so I guess we continue I wonder if it'll continue beyond that

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We'll keep you posted the marketing team had to have high fives for like a week straight the moment one of those assholes was like

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Oh, maybe we maybe we charge 1776 for you're imagining. There's a marketing

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That's a good point a good point Rob do and fucking Alex Jones

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Snorting super male vitality crystals and just spitballing ideas. I bet Buckley threw a little bit in there

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Buckley's got the good stuff. Buckley threw some darts at the wall. Buckley you holding?

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Pulls out a little sack. Pulls out a little baggie of super male

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Gotta hoof it. It's even better when you hoof it. I got a few vials

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It's supposed to be sublingual, but I like to snort it like poppers

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Put it under your tongue or inject it in between your toes

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Now Jordan yes, we have to move on to August 4th

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Yes, like I said those were the two narratives and they're all kind of bullshit

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There's no real need to dive too deep into it because from my perspective

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I think General Kelly is largely just trying to do damage control

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And for now eventually he'll switch from damage control to doing damage

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Yeah conceivably but at the same time whatever Alex's narrative is is nonsense

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And then the Seth with the Seth Rich shit is just a real desperate attempt to try and cover up

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And really reinforce this idea that it wasn't Russia

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That's all that game is and they're doing it very disgracefully

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Which it's not Russia

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Like everybody knows that it was like the family the private investigator all were like

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This is unrelated. This is just a murder

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Oh yeah, I meant the Russia the hacking stuff

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Oh the hacking stuff, I thought he was talking about

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No, Alex needs Seth Rich to be the leaker because if not it exposes that the

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The Russians most likely did it

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His complaints about it not being the Russians fall apart

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And the leader in the clubhouse as far as explanations go

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Is what everyone else is saying and that it is Russian intelligence

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Beyond that the fact that Julian Assange has been playing into

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The idea that it was Seth Rich who was his source

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Assange has gone full Russian propaganda

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And the fact if this is to fall like I said on our last episode

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Then Julian Assange is incredibly vulnerable

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He's very exposed

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Well he should be in jail anyway

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Yeah absolutely but I mean he's exposed in terms of the geopolitical game he's playing

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It's very clear he's on the side of Russia

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Oh undeniable

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And as a corollary, Trump

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The true hero is Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange can go fuck himself

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And he'd be nothing without her and Snowden

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But be that as it may

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Snowden didn't go through

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Oh the triangle of leakers, that kind of thing?

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I mean the greater sphere of the import of leakers

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And stuff like that

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What Snowden did in the ensuing conversation

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Led to a lot of pro-Julian Assange sentiment

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Not necessarily that they had anything to do with each other

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But just that he benefited from Snowden's actions

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Absolutely

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And he's a monster, but not Snowden, Assange

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Snowden not a monster, Snowden hero, Chelsea Manning hero, Assange can go right straight to hell

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Yeah so on our last episode Jordan, last week

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You may remember that I made some claims

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Or some assertions or some speculations about Alex Jones

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Having a pro-Russia stance that might be more important to him than his pro-Trump stance

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Yes and though I met with

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I responded with a lot of skepticism

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Your arguments are hard to argue against

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Well I'm the sort of guy who gets really nervous and anxious

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Whenever I make a claim that might sound stupid

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And so for the better part of the day

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I was feeling like shit

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After we recorded I took a little bit of an edible

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And that didn't help

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That just made you more anxious

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We really second guess everything

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I was like, am I a fucking dumb dumb?

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Am I an idiot?

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And thankfully listening to Friday's show

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I came upon something that made me think

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That maybe I was more right than I know

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Than even you had suspected

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Yes

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And that is what we're going to be discussing for the rest of the episode

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Okay

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Let's dive into this

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The first hour of the show is boring as shit

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It doesn't deserve to be discussed at all

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I don't even think I took any notes on it

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I was just like, he's just yelling about stuff

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Right

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I think it's, as I recall it's more just McMaster is trying to isolate Trump

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They're going to kill him, I think there's some of that

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Gotta do that

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Yeah

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If you're a globalist you gotta get him dead

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They're isolating him in order to prepare the public for an assassination

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That makes sense

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And then he's also like, it could be that they're insulating him to protect him from an assassination

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But they're globalists so they're probably not

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Well at least he's second guessing himself too

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That's a positive step forward

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Bro, he wouldn't if he had actual sources

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Well, I'm sure Donald Trump Jr. kind of gave him a little text message going like

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McMaster won't let me see my dad

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Which is a very smart move if true

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Yeah

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McMaster is a genius if he's

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Not troubling if true

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No, no, no

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Yeah

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Well I mean unfortunate for us because if Donald Trump Jr. saw his dad we would get more wackadoo bullshit from every angle

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Yeah, General Kelly's trying to dad block me

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So the second hour starts up

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I'm just my dad

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The second hour of August 4th starts up and this is what I hear and I

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Perked up, ears raised, hackles up

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Heart rate starts flooding a little bit and I start to realize we've got an issue

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Oh boy

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Alexander Duke, an advisor to Vladimir Putin, will be joining us coming up

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Oh no, not good

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Not good

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Oh boy

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Wait, Dugan's coming on to Info Wars

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Dugan has the balls to go on to Info Wars

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He does

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Amidst the chances are Russian collusion situation

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And Alex has the balls to have him on

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Wow, that's fucked up

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I want to say that Alexander Dugan is an associate of Putin's

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He is an advisor of his

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The last time we talked about him we didn't really get into a lot of the details of why it's really problematic

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That he is on Info Wars, period

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Or that Alex Jones is platforming him and allowing him to speak his bullshit over American airwaves

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And granted Alex Jones doesn't have the fear of sponsors or anything like that

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So he can do whatever he wants and good on you it's free speech

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I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to do this, but him choosing to is very, very seriously a problem

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So the last time he was on

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Well, Dugan got here because of the free shipping

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Yeah

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The last time Dugan was on, I swept it under the rug

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Because there was that whole, after Trump got elected, Dugan came out and said that

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Alex Jones is the greatest example of an American, he is a great human, because of him we don't hate America anymore

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All this bullshit, all this blowing smoke up his ass

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But he said he wasn't so Alex believed him

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Right, and so the idea that Alex had him on his show made sense

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That is just sort of like, you sucked my dick, come on my show

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Exactly, I'll give you a platform

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The idea that he's coming on again is what led me to think

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Especially fucking now, wouldn't you want to stay as far away from that as possible if you're Alex Jones?

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If your argument is there's no possibility of Russian collusion, there's no situation there at all

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Why would you have one of Putin's advisors come on your show?

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It's incredibly weird, I don't know, I don't know

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Because just the fact that he's there suggests that you're involved with the Russians

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Totally

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Big time

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There's no other, like what did he get an email? Like hey, somebody's got to set the record straight

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I am just going to say it is not true, and then we'll leave it there

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Look, it's baffling to me, and over the course of the rest of this episode

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I hope to lay out how much of a problem this is

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Oh boy

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And in order to do so, I don't know if I should just get into Dugan up top

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Or if we should let him talk and then get into it

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What do you think? What do you think the best structure is?

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I think we got to let him, we got to let him say his peace

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We got to let him say his peace, man

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Alright, so here's the first clip, and Alex wants to talk about why do the globalists hate Russia

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Geopolitical.ru, you've got the floor my friend, let's go through who the globalists are

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What their aims are, why they hate the United States and Russia so much

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And is there any way to stop them before they trigger World War III?

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Hi Alex, I'm really happy to be broadcasted in the United States

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Laying it on a little thick, dude

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That is not his real accent

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It is, that is his Russian accent

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Nah, that's bullshit

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So I want to say one thing, the reason that he's really excited to be broadcasted in the United States

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Over Alex Jones' show is because on the 11th of March in 2015 the United States Department of the Treasury

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Added Dugan, as well as his organization which is called the Eurasian Youth Union

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To its list of Russian citizens who were sanctioned as a result of their involvement in the Ukrainian crisis

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Wait

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We'll get into more details about exactly what his involvement was a little bit later

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Wait, is he still?

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Yeah

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So he's still under that sanction

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Yeah

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So they just broke the law

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No, because he's not paying him to be there, it's the Department of the Treasury

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I don't think you can say

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Oh yeah

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I don't think there's a law that says you can't have him over Skype

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Right, that's true

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It's not illegal, but it is a sort of thing where

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It's not great

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No other media organization is going to

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Would ever touch it

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Well, I'm not entirely sure, but they certainly wouldn't allow him whole cloth just to say whatever he wants

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Right

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There would be an interview, because I know that he's done some interviews with the BBC and stuff like that

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They're not on the Department of Treasuries

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They're not in the United States, that's definitely true

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Yeah, exactly

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But beyond that, they also push back against his ideas

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Yeah

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I was watching one interview where he was talking about how Russia has its own unique truth

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That's not good

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Because every truth is really relative and subjective

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It's not!

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There is reality!

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So he's like, there's no capital T truth, so Russia has its own truth

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And then they started to get into, like, war seems inevitable between Russia and the United States

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Great

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And the interviewer's like, well it does seem that way from watching Russian media

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But I was just in the United States and I don't think it seems that way

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And Dugan's like, well, to us, to me it seems that way

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It's like, well, that might be projection

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Calm it down, yeah, calm it down, dude

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You might be worried about your position in this whole thing

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Right

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Because you've done some fucked up stuff

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Or you might want a war

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Because that would

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We're going to get into that too

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There we go, great

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Jesus Christ

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Spoiler alert

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Part of his big philosophy is the destruction of the world

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But we're going to do that in a little bit

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That's very similar to Bannon's philosophy

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Exactly

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It's exactly the same thing as Bannon's philosophy

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Uh huh

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In fact it is 100% the same thing as

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Jesus Christ

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There's a shocking amount of overlap

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Jesus Christ

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Yeah

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So let's let him get into it after his kissing ass of Alex for ignoring sanctions

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And having him on the broadcast

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Here we go

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Your station and your channel and your heroic struggle is the unique

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Unique possibility, unique momentum

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To say the truth that nobody wants to hear

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Don't forget the balls

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And first of all I think that globalists need enemy

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But not the right enemy

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Because the right enemy of globalists are they themselves

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Because they are going to destroy humanity

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To exchange the human kind by artificial intelligence

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By kind of cyborgs

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And they try to destroy all kinds of links of the humanity

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With its essence

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And that is an essence that is very negative

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Absolutely negative

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Satanic plan

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And they need in order to keep attention elsewhere

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They need some enemy

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And they have designated Russia as enemy number one

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So

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That is word for it

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Dugan did his research

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Yeah

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Dugan absolutely did his research

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He's a really smart guy

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He went with robot chimeras

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He even went with satanic

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He's going there dealing with the wrong enemy

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They're using Russia who have kicked out the globalists

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As a fucking fall guy

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Now I will say that some of that does match up with his beliefs

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But some of it is also gilding on to add to impress Alex

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And you know what

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He doesn't talk about any of the other much more problematic aspects of his beliefs

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Because he is tricking Alex

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He is incredibly smart

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Alexander Dugan is a philosopher

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And a social scientist

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And Alex is being played like a fucking cheap violin

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This is so easy

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It's insane

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It's like he had a team of writers and he's reading off of a script

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Like this is pathetic

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And Alex falls for this

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Is Alex falling for it or is Alex just

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Well no of course

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Anytime Alex gets flattered he is willing to listen to anything

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I'm hard pressed to say that Alex is falling for it as much as he is on board a hundred percent

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And let's hear this next clip where Alex talks about how great Vladimir Putin is

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The globalists are absolutely insanely hateful of Russia

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And I've done an analysis of Putin

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He's been reforming

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He's been cutting back the corruption

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He's been arresting the oligarchs

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He's been empowering programs for the family

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He's been promoting Christianity

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He's been promoting sovereignty

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And he's been exposing through national shows

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Not against technology but how technology is being used to enslave people

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By the technocrats and has been opposing the wicked plan of Davos

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That is anti-American, anti-Russian, anti-human

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And quite frankly now we see more of this from Trump

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But this isn't like something he got from Putin

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Or he got from me

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This is the truth of what we face

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So let's

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I wanted to stop it there because he's about to say something that's really horrible about women

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And I wanted to give us a chance to sort of decompress on that part of the clip

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Before we get to the part that's just ugly

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So

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His analysis of Putin is magical

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It's magical nonsensical thinking

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It sounds very similar to his 2015 analysis of Putin

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It also sounds very similar to Russian TV's analysis of Putin

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Sounds exactly like propaganda outlets

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Yeah

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Yeah

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No he's bringing back the family

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Glorious leader

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Absolutely

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And you know the way he's bringing back the family

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Is that he's weakening laws about domestic violence

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Hey a little bit of tyranny is a good thing

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Right

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In Alex's world a little bit of tyranny gets shit done

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Yeah absolutely

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You know it never leads to a lot of tyranny

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Especially with dictators

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You know how they're always proceed with restraint

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Totally

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You know how they're always like

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It's one of the hallmarks

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Listen let's not go too far

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Yeah

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What we're gonna do we're gonna get in we're gonna get out we're gonna save the world

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I think like the UN has that checklist of are you living in a dictatorship

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And what the first thing is are they reasonable

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Yeah

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Are they restrained in their actions

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Well that's a dictator right there

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At least that's how Alex would look at it based on his treatment of Obama for sure

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Yeah that's true

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Um so yeah that is just lionizing Putin

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Like and he's saying that he's done a ton of research that has led him to this conclusion

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Yeah

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It's that's nonsense

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That's absolute nonsense

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He he he's he's getting on his show and being a Russian propagandist

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Yeah that's true

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He's putting on the hat so he can hang out with Alexander Dugan

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They are fun hats to wear though

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It is

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Have you worn a Russian hat

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Yeah it's very very comfortable

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Pretty good

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Nice little babushka

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Sure it's great it has those ear flaps perfect for a cold Austin evening

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In August

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It's not a good hat to wear

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During a drought

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Alright so here we go here's where he's gonna get to some nice misogyny

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Talk about Vladimir Putin himself and why the globalists hate him

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They're also obsessed with him

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It's leaked that uh I mean Hillary's obsessed with him

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Basically in love with him

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Uh in the WikiLeaks he was just beside herself

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Uh Megyn Kelly behind the scenes began it was shuddering with sexual pleasure basically

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Uh whenever I'm serious when she talked about Putin

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I mean why are they so obsessed with Putin

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What the fuck

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Megyn Kelly

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He's interviewing like let's let's

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Megyn Kelly

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Let's be clear

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Alexander Dugan for all of his problems and being an awful person and a out and out uh Russian hack

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Probably doesn't think that Megyn Kelly wants to fuck Putin

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He is still a substantial individual

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And the idea that Alex is like hey why does uh why does Megyn Kelly get wet when she sees Putin

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Like that's disgraceful

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Yeah

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Even for an interview with this guy

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I'm like I'm not comfortable with that

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Listen you're talking to one of the true monsters in this world

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But hey come on dial it back

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He's at least give him the respect that a true monster deserves

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He's created like philosophies that have created a lot of damage in the world

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He's written multiple books

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Like don't fucking come at that

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Don't don't do that

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At least have a like it's clear that Alex has not read his books

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Done no research

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It's clear he doesn't know what he stands for

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Because if he did he would know that Alexander Dugan is very big into the destruction of the United States

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And not a good guy to have on your patriot based

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Yes

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One of the most explicit things he's argued for in the course of his career has been the destruction of the United States

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Or at least the destruction of our hegemony

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Well yes and what he refers to as liberalism which really is just the freedom

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Freedom

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Individuality

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People not being murdered

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He's deeply against the idea of what individuality brings

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Because individuality takes you outside of the collective

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It takes you outside of normality

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And it makes you accept things like homosexuality or transgender folk

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He's right up in that like culture war shit that a lot of the conservatives are now

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And it's deeply troubling to see the overlaps

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Nobody is more ideologically aligned than hateful hard right bigots in Russia and hateful hard right bigots here

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And hateful hard right bigots in ISIS

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And hateful hard right bigots in France

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And hateful hard right bigots in fucking Britain

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Like all of these people don't realize that they're on the same side

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Like the only thing that's protecting us is all of these idiots thinking that they're fighting against each other

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Because if they actually united which like Brexit, like Cambridge Analytica, like all of those things

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They really did push all of these people together on the national stage

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And that is a very bad thing

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Like it's like the fucking, it's like the old Batman and Superman cartoons

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The Justice League cartoons

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Like they have a little thing that comes up out of a swamp

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Like these people are insane

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So I agree, but also if you'll recall that last clip ended with a question

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Why does Megyn Kelly get so hard?

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Yeah, and I'll give Dugan a bit of credit

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What's his response?

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He does not engage with that part of the question

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Good, good, good

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But here's his answer and it gets spiritual

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So I think Putin, he plays the role of supporter

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We in Russian-Christian Orthodoxy have idea of Greek concept of supporter

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In Greek, katechen

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Some figure, symbolical figure

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You're talking about an icon that's a defender

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Yes, defender, defender, exactly

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In Greek that means exactly supporter, but defender, that is the right word

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You fucking idiot

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This defender is the last obstacle of coming of Antichrist

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That doesn't let Antichrist regime to be installed on the planetary level

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And Putin is obstacle for globalization

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For fulfillment of the wicked plans of globalists

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And by the way, I agree with you

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They say their technocracy, their one world government that Putin's in the way

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Now Trump pops up and the only truth to American-Russian collusion is

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I sense the same spirit of humanity not wanting to be enslaved

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And it's really the spirit of Christ all over the world is rising up against this Antichrist spirit

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Does Alex not realize that he just agreed that Putin is the last defense against the Antichrist?

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Well, I think he does know that

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He just agreed Putin

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I think he does know that because that's what he's been saying for years

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But he's the only defense against the fucking Antichrist?

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In 2015 he was saying, essentially, that Vladimir Putin was the only person

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Who was standing against the new world order, against the globalists on the world stage

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Before he supported Donald Trump at all

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He believes that the globalists are transitional to bringing in a one world government led by the Antichrist

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So if Putin is standing against them on the global stage

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Of course he agrees with that premise

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That Putin is what's going to save us from hell on earth

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And the ascent of the evil one

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I just thought that we were talking more about

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We were talking more metaphorically about globalists leading to the Antichrist

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But when he goes directly into Christian Orthodox beliefs

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From the Greek Orthodox beliefs

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That Putin is the defender against the Antichrist

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I did not expect for Alex to be like

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I'm going to throw out all the Christian shit I pretend to believe

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And say that Putin, fucking Putin

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Is the only one keeping the seventh seal from being opened

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Fucking unbelievable

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We might be getting a glimpse into what Alex Jones' actual version of Christianity is

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Because we, because words mean things to us

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We assume

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Like fools

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Right, we assume when he says that he's a Christian

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It means what we understand Christianity to be

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And it may not be the case

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No

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It may be that there are some similarities

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And I don't think it's necessarily just even Greek Orthodox

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Because I've known some Greek Orthodox people in my day

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I know my dad's a religious studies professor, I knew some Orthodox preachers when I was a kid

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I don't think that necessarily they believe all this wacky nonsense

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But be that as it may

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You're seeing this shocking agreement between the two of them

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And some of that is that Alexander Dugan is a very gifted manipulator

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And he knows what sort of things to say to make Alex Jones be like, I'm on board

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But then at the same time we've documented this over and over again with Leo Zagami, Lord Moncton

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And now Alexander Dugan

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Anybody with an accent, Alex kind of just is like, you're a genius

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I love what you're saying

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Unfortunately in this case I do think Alexander Dugan is incredibly smart

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And therefore far more dangerous

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Very much so

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Do you want to hear a fun fact about Alexander Dugan?

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Sure

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This is a new segment on our show?

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Yeah, Alexander Dugan believes that the entire internet should be banned

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And here's a quote

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I think that the internet as such as a phenomenon is worth prohibiting

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Because it gives nobody anything good

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Beyond that, in June 2012 Dugan said in a lecture that chemistry and physics are demonic sciences

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And that all Orthodox Russians need to unite around the president of Russian Federation

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In the last battle between good and evil

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Following the example of Iran and North Korea

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He added, quote, if we want to liberate ourselves from the West

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It is needed that we liberate ourselves from textbooks on physics and chemistry

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Oh, well that makes sense

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Totally, totally tracks

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But even in there, if we want to liberate ourselves from the West

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Alex has a boner for the West

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He's saying that we should follow in the example of Iran and North Korea

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I will give it to Alex that he has never, ever, ever in his life read that

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Ever, not even once

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It takes a Google search

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Yeah, exactly, which is why I can guarantee that Alex has never read it

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It takes more than one step

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He has to Google search, which means he has to remember what it is he's looking for

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Which is his next guest, which he cannot do

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Which he cannot do, then he has to click on one of many results

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Which is just too many steps for him

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Yeah, so I want to say that I referenced earlier that Alexander Dugin is under sanctions

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By the Department of the Treasury because of his activities in the Ukraine crisis

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I want to touch on that for a second

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Because I feel like we should be specific and let people know what he's been up to

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In 2005, Alexander Dugin founded an organization called the Eurasian Youth Union

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Which is not good

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No, I love it, I love it when people add in, you know, Eurasian youth, like Hitler youth

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All these youth programs are really good

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After school programs are important

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It's not great when you have a political organization that has a youth component

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No, no, no, it's very good

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Get them young

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Children do not understand politics

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And they should not be indoctrinated

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Be that as it may, on March 31st, 2014

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I think most charter schools would disagree with you

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On March 31st, 2014, Oleg Bahirov, a member of the Eurasian Youth Union of Russia

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Founded by Alexander Dugin, was arrested

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He had trained a group of about 200 people to seize parliament in another government building

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According to the Secret Service of Ukraine

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He was basically training paramilitary groups to go cause trouble in Ukraine

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It is unclear how many of the attacks and bombings, that sort of thing

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Were a direct result of that?

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It's impossible to tell

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The people who have been disrupted were like this cell that had 200 people

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That were going to seize the Ukrainian parliament

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So it is not low scale stuff

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That's a bad plan

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It's not great, but you know, at any point

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You're gonna need more than 200 to get rid of the parliament

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I don't know though, if it's in a crisis situation

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There's ongoing strife all around

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If these 200 people are well armed

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And well trained

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Since youth

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You could do some damage

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And so, I mean, you see, this is not a benign figure

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No, these are shock troops, he's training shock troops

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And I'm not saying that Alexander Dugin is sitting around personally training them

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But he's created this organization

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And he's responsible for that

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That's how the storm troopers from Star Wars showed up

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Right

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I mean, aside from being clones

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Like, there was that

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Un-fucking-believable

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I thought that got retconned

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That did get retconned

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Okay

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Glad, glad I'm on the right side of history on that one

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I guess

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So, if you thought that, like, that was just sort of a flippant aside

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Here is Alexander Dugin reiterating that Putin's gonna stop the Antichrist

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But this battle is not political

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That has nothing to do with short or superficial interests

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National interests and so on

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The battle is much deeper than that

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And Putin plays here the role of defender

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Defender of Christian civilization

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Of traditional society

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The defender of human nature

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Because the globalists try now to replay this nature

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They wage war against common sense

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Yes, yes, exactly

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And what is important

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I have got information

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That Russian oligarchs

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They have a kind of supported financially Hillary

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So that was completely opposite to the thing the globalists pretend

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So this is also probably based on the uranium bullshit

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Of course

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Because beyond that

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The Russian supported Hillary is insane

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Beyond that you can't really find a whole lot of concrete examples

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Of people being specific about

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Well, were the Russians supporting Hillary?

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Yeah

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I didn't pull the clip of it

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But Alex, on the episode where he's talking about the Seth Rich shit

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He plays an interview with Julian Assange

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Where Julian Assange is saying

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I've studied both of these candidates

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And from my end

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All I can tell is that Hillary had contact with the Russians

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And financial dealings with them

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The Uranium One deal

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Which was not with the Russians

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That was with a Canadian based company

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That had Russian ownership

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It got bought out by the Russians

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Those weren't our uranium rights

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She didn't make the decision

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It was the skiffiest

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Organization that had nine people in it

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She had no involvement in that at all

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We've been over this a whole bunch of times

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And then Julian Assange

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His only other piece of evidence

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Is Podesta being on the board of Jewel Unlimited

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Which we've also talked about

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That is not evidence of anything

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Wow

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It's crazy

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So Julian Assange is pitching these same fucking

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Clinton, Russia, Uranium deal, Podesta, Jewel Unlimited narratives

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Propaganda

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That means something

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That doesn't mean nothing

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And the fact that Alexander Dougan is being very non-specific

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About how he heard that the oligarchs were supporting Hillary

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You gotta kind of believe it's something like that

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And it's insane to me how

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He's good

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He's good

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He's good

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It's not bad

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Because he's throwing in that

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That idea of getting rid of physics and chemistry

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And getting rid of the internet

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He doesn't mean that

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What he means is getting rid of it for people

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Yeah

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And he and his cabal get to keep it

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Like that's what he's doing

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And he can lie straight through his fucking teeth

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Hey dum-dum, you're on the internet now

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Exactly

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Fucking unreal

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You couldn't get your propaganda to the United States

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Without the internet

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Yeah

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You couldn't fucking mail pamphlets over here effectively

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Not in this day and age, no one reads

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I mean, well, during World War II

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Japan did put bombs on little umbrella-type parachutes

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And they made it all the way to Oregon

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What?

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This is true

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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This is a piece of history I don't know

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No, there are some

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There were some on American soil deaths

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Because of these Japanese bombs

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Hold on

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Did they launch them from the ground

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Like they just tossed them with an umbrella

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Because that's crazy

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Well, what they did

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You know those paper candles

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You know those that they put out to sea

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Yeah, I've seen that in like the beach

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The beach

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It wasn't quite that, but it was close

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Okay

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Do you want to know another fun fact about Alexander Dugan?

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Sure

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In an interview that he did with the Anna News Agency

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Alexander Dugan, describing the alleged atrocities

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That were perpetrated against the Ukrainians

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Called for them to be killed

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In the 18th minute of the interview he said

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Referring to the Ukrainians, the following

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Quote, kill, kill, kill

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There should be no more talks

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As a professor, I think so

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He's not a good professor

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No, and he ended up getting fired for saying that

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Usually advocating genocide should get you fired

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Especially when you're like, I'm a professor

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Yeah

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This is the job you can fire me from

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One out of five professors agree

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Yeah

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Murder all people

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Somehow that didn't tarnish his credibility

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Or his position in Russia itself though

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It would only raise his profile

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It would only raise his fucking profile

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Because look at the pieces that we have in place already

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We have, he started a youth organization based on

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Eurasianism, which we'll get into in a little bit

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And this, as an offshoot

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When the situation in Ukraine started in 2014

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They were shock troops for it

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And went around to cause trouble

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And then, when interviewed

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He advocated for the state going in and killing Ukrainians

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Which is a war crime

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That's a big war crime

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He advocates for war crimes

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Well, it's

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So has Trump, so

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Yeah, well, that's, that, fuck

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We're all gonna die

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Yeah

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We're all fucking dead

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Well, words don't mean anything anymore

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We're living on borrowed time

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Yeah

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That's what's going on

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This is un-fucking-real

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Mm-hmm

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Holy shit

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Can you tell why I was aside myself?

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Yeah, this isn't great

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I don't like how this is going

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No, so

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I feel like this is bad for all of humanity

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Yeah

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Not just America

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But be that as it may

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At least Alex Jones and Alexander Dugan

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Have now finished the portion of the show

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Where they're gonna talk about how great Putin is

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Yeah

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So at least that has happened

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But I remember seeing reports five, ten years ago

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That you were kind of a spiritual advisor to Trump

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Uh, I mean, not to Trump, to Putin

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Uh, that, that, that, that

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You know, he read your books

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Flip of the tongue

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About that they were interesting

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I just wanna try to get an idea

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For somebody that actually knows Putin

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But also lives in Russia

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About the real mindset of Putin

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Cause people say, oh, he's this former KGB guy or whatever

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But we know he was there during the reforms

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Kicking a lot of the globalist oligarchs out

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Wow

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Getting your sovereignty back

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The proof's in the pudding

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Separately I read that

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He was baptized as a child

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His family was part of the large Russian movement

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That was crypto-Christian

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That, you know, kept the faith

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And continued on

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And you judge a tree by its fruits

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Today, he's been a huge supporter

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Of bringing orthodoxy back to Russia

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And bringing the birth rate back up

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Uh oh

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And proving he wants life

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Fighting against all the abortions

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Fighting against the destruction of the family

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That's what Putin's doing

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Killing all the journalists

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Not killing babies

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Like the globalists are pushing

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Putting all dissenters to jail

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So, I mean, how true is it that, that, that

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You're a high-level advisor to Putin

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I know you don't wanna brag about it

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And specifically a spiritual advisor

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And can you give us a view into

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The mindset of Vladimir Putin and his worldview

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Uh, first of all

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Vladimir Putin, uh, has, uh, his own worldview

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That is not so much ideological

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It is the kind he represents

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More or less what, uh, Russian people think

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I hope not

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But also, I lied

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They're not nearly done talking about

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How great Putin is

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Wow

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That's, I mean, that's crazy

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That, that's, he's, he's just doing

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Putin's pretty great

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And he, I love

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Putin's pretty great

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What we should do is put together

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A long clip of all the times Alex makes a mistake

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And then mock him the same way he tries to do Pelosi

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Oh, he was an advisor to Trump

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I mean, Putin

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Like, either he's an idiot the same way he thinks she is

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Which means he can shut the fuck up about that clip

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Right

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Or that's the most Freudian slip there could ever be

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I think it's more the latter

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Yeah, right?

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Absolutely

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He's, Dugan, you've advised Trump

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I mean, Putin, you've done all of these great things

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For Trump's campaign

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I mean, Putin

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You have absolutely done all these great things

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For Trump's campaign

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Yeah, no kidding

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But let's not admit that

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Let's never deal with that shit

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But, like

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And then even at the end, Dugan is like, Putin doesn't actually believe anything

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He just wants money

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Well, I, what happens after that clip ends

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Is he goes on to talk about how Putin is indicative of the soul of the Russian people

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Right

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And that he doesn't have, like, this rigid ideology

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As much as he is a representation of the people

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And he's pragmatic, and that sort of thing

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Well

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So that's what he's trying to get at

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But again, that's just

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If you want to become a dictator, he is going about it in a very practical way

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That's just Alex Jones allowing this dude to spit fucking straight up Putin propaganda on his show

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Yeah

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He's turned his show over to Russia for an hour

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That's, there's no other way to put it

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It's fucked up

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What?

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That's, I just don't know what to say

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We're speechless

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I don't know what to say

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Like, of all the things I could have imagined

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Uncovering that Alex is pure Russian propaganda

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Is not what I was expecting

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Like, if we, if, like, all the stuff, you know, like, I talk about

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Or in our opening, it's like, I don't know anything about Alex Jones

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Yeah

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And when we very started, all I knew about Alex was he was a lunatic who shouted

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Then as we've gone through this the whole time, it's like, oh, he's a lunatic who shouted

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Who turned into a white nationalist

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Yeah

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He's a bigot

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But that's always been there

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Well, yeah, exactly

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But I didn't know about it

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So I didn't know that that's what we were dealing with

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But now the other

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Eventually getting to, he's a Russian shill?

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And then on the way, learning that he has this weird religious thing going on

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Yeah

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Which doesn't make sense

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Right

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And then getting to the Russian shit

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And I'll tell you this, I listened to Alex Jones a bit in my younger years

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Yeah

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And I didn't fucking realize any of this either

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No

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So as much as I say I know everything about Alex Jones

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Right

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A lot of this is still eye-opening

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Now we have to do another investigation of when did Alex become a Putin shill?

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I think we already are

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You think so?

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Yeah

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I, cause I think we've already got, like

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No, because when we started the June, in June of 2015

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Uh-huh

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He wasn't saying pro-Putin stuff

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He wasn't saying pro-Putin stuff

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That crept in over the summer of 2015

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Yeah, that's true

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It came in trickling a little bit

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And then where we are now in September, end of September, beginning of October 2015

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He's going whole hog

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Which, if we recall, the Justice Department or the

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Is Comey

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The intelligence community said that in the summer of 2015

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The Russians really ramped up their information campaign against us

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Influence campaign of media and stuff

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Yeah

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Yeah

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Holy shit

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Yeah, it starts

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And that funnily coincides with when Trump started his campaign

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Yeah

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It starts to become a picture where, um

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Look, we're dumbasses in Chicago

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We don't know anything

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But it starts to look a lot like there's something going on here

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And I have to believe someone's investigating this

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I don't know who, but I have to believe

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That we aren't the only people who put two, two, and two together

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Yeah

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Like, cause it's, it doesn't seem coincidental

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And then you put that together with our

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You put that together with the pivot

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With Trump

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When did the Russians start supporting Trump?

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Is maybe the best question for when Alex starts supporting Trump

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Well, I think that they supported him before he even started running for president

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Oh, you think so?

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Well, I mean

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Well, he is a front for their, yeah

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Money laundering and what have you

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And there are instances that have been pointed out of

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It appears, for example, very rich Russian people with weird connections

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Buying some of his property for inflated prices

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Never moving into the house and then selling it for less

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That sort of thing seems to happen a bit

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And it appears that they bailed him out of being in debt for a while

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Or being bankrupt

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Beyond that, there are indications going back at least to like the 90s

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Possibly even earlier, of him having pro-Russian

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Or at least pro-Russian business interests

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Yeah, we have read the

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He took out an op-ed, right?

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Yeah

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Which was very pro-Russia

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Well, that's not the one where he was talking about how the

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The Central Park Five should be hung

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No, that was a very different one

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Different op-ed

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Yeah

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So I want to read you another quote from Alexander Dugan

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In between these clips

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Here's a quote from 2007

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There are no more opponents of Putin's course

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And if they are, they're mentally ill

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And need to be sent off for clinical examination

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Putin is everywhere, Putin is everything

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Putin is absolute, and Putin is indispensable

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Boy, I do not like that language

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I own it all

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That's really bad

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Yeah

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Like there's never been a situation in the entirety of history

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Where that was a good thing to say about anybody

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No

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That is what you say right before genocide happens

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Yeah

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Like that's word for word what you say before genocide happens

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Yeah, here's another quote

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Every fucking time

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Here's another quote from him

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All is dead with modernity

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So it should end

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We are going to end it

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Oh, well, that's fine

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Okay

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That's Unabomber-ish

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That's, yeah, well

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He hates the idea that the world is becoming modern

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I mean, the Unabomber had some good points

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Yeah

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Everybody knows this

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Yeah

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If you are the boring guy at a party, you know this

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So, Jordan, I told you that where that clip was gonna go

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Was that Dugan was going to explain that Putin is pragmatic

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And what have you

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And as it turns out, I do have the rest of that

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Well, I mean, if he's the only single person in the planet

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Who knows what's going on

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And if you disagree with him

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You should be killed

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Or you should at least be taken in for examination

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Yeah

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Because if that ain't right

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Then pragmatic is the only way to describe him

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Because it's the only way you're allowed to describe him

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Absolutely

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So that's where this clip starts

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And then it ends with Alex Jones and him coming to a conclusion

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That should be troubling to everybody

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He doesn't feel himself a kind of cosmopolitan

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He represent our culture, our people

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And he doesn't stop this feelings, this emotion in our country

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He is not ideological nationalist

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He is rather realist and pragmatic in his politics

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He is very pragmatical, very rational, I would say

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Rational man

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But he is Russian

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And that defines his inner and deep identities

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And that is exactly the same way Trump is

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So it's a return to common sense

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A return to cultural nationalist with a Christian base

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White

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Yes

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Yes

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So yeah, I mean, that's fun

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Because at the end there we get them making it abundantly clear

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That they are comparing the two men as being very similar

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Yeah

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And whenever they

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I do like his reveal

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He is rational, but he's Russian

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Yeah

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So let's calm it down there, guys

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But I think what he's trying to say, I know that's fun

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shit on your joke there

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But what he's trying to say is he's rational

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But at the same time his priority is the fact that he's Russian

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Yeah

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And for Trump, the priority is that he's American

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I don't

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We need to get back to nationalism

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You know how nationalism always works?

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Yeah, it works great

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Jesus Christ

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Works great

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They're trying to kill us

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Yeah

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Well, no, they're trying to kill a lot of people, not necessarily you or I

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Right

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I mean, we'll probably

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Not yet, not yet

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Well, we'll probably be, you know, collateral damage

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Because I want to

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Dude, I want to get killed by the Russians so bad

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How awesome would that be?

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You may have your chance

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Ooh

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I want to be perfectly clear, I'll spell it out a little bit down the line as this episode

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goes on

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But Alexander Dugan is angling for a war between the United States and Russia

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Seems like it

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I don't know why Alex Jones would have him on his show, because that is part of his worldview

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I don't know how else to put it

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Like, Alex Jones, the supreme American patriot, he comes from Americana royalty bloodlines

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Confederate

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Well, in his version, it's Americana royalty

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Yeah

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And he's having a guy on the show who's expressed opinion is destruction of the United States,

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destruction of the West

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You're saying United States

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This is how Alex can get through it

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No, no, no, he can't

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He wants Texas

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Alex just wants Texas

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You know what, fuck that

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Go to war with everybody

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Fuck that

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Alex can't even play that game because Alexander Dugan has very specifically said that the

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enemy is the West

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Ooh, that's true, that's true

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Alex Jones can't even use his branding or, like, semantic games with that

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He said that the West and liberalism, which doesn't mean liberals in this case

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Okay, I'll just give you an umbrella version of Alexander Dugan's big book

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His biggest book is called The Fourth Political Ideology

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It's actually Harry Potter and the Fourth Political Ideology

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I apologize, it's Harry Potter and the Fourth Political Theory

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And the argument that he lays out in that book is that there is liberalism, communism,

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and fascism that have been the warring ideologies of the world and liberalism is one

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That's a very reductive way of putting it, but fine

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But over the course of recent history you have those three that are coming up against

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each other and liberalism destroyed fascism in World War II

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Woo

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And liberalism destroyed communism with the breaking up of the Soviet Union

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Double down

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And then since then liberalism has become bored, I guess, and is fighting with itself

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And that's why you end up with these positions where, like, oh, political correctness run amok

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Well, historically you could make the argument because within, in his terms

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It's too much freedom

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Within his terms of liberalism, generally it's eaten away by fascism within

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Mm-hmm

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So that is a fairly good assessment of certain, like, for a reductive assessment it's not terrible

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Right, so he proposes a fourth political theory

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I bet it's good for all of us

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Right, he takes elements of traditionalism

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He takes elements of some elements, I believe, of liberal

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I don't want, I don't, look, I haven't read the book in its entirety

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I don't know how to break it all down

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But from all the reviews I could get of it, I've read a number of reviews

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And most of it seems like there is just a lot of proto-fascism

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Right

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Within his worldview

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Right

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And he denies being a fascist, and in the sense

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Generally fascists tend to

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They're thrilled to do that

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Yeah, they love it

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It's one of the biggest parts of being a fascist

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Yeah, it's the I'm not a racist butt of ideologies

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Yeah, I can't be a fascist, I wrote a book about how fascism is one of the problems

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I said it was bad

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Right

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But Jones, he says that fascism is bad

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I've read

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So you know that even though he says a little bit of tyranny is good

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Mm-hmm

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Fascism is bad

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I've read three reviews of like his worldview that all express

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He's against fascism, but is a fascist

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Some of you described him as an occult fascist

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Ooh, a Rasputin type figure

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Exactly

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There we go

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Which goes back into that idea that Putin is going to stand against the Antichrist

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Figured it out

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Can Rasputin be killed?

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No

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Too big of a dick

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Too big of a dick

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Guess what happens?

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Alex loves big dicks

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Goes away for a while

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Alex loves big dicks

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Goes away, Rasputin disappears for a while

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Hold on, hold on

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Alex Jones loving big dicks is an important piece of this

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Fine

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That's actually why he loves the BBC interview, because

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Right

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You see there's a double meaning

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Anyway

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So Rasputin hides out in a castle

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Rasputin is Dugan

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It's possible, he's got a beard

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Problem solved

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He is actually called Putin's Rasputin

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Just because

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I want to open a restaurant named Putin's Rasputin

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He's called that because of his sort of mystic elements that he has within his worldview

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And then the fact that he has a beard

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So

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Well I mean you start talking about

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And he's Russian

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Putin's the only defender against the Antichrist

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You're going to get some occult bullshit going on

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Yeah, and there's even more within his larger philosophy

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Which we'll get to in a moment, but here let's get to another clip

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Well what you got to do is get the spear of destiny before you can defeat the Antichrist

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Everybody knows this

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Yeah come on

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That's gauche

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What are you crazy?

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That's gauche for you to even bring that up

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Look up the movie Constantine starring our greatest living actor Keanu Reeves

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I'll be honest, I like that movie

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I love it

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I saw it in theaters ever since

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You know I haven't seen it since 2005

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But I liked it then, it might have been high as shit

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It's not as terrible as you might imagine

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You know it is though, this next clip

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Putin could be considered to be Russian Trump

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As well as Trump could be considered American Putin

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Not because they are accused of authoritarian rule or something like that

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They're individually very different

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But they reflect what our people want

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They're not out to get their country

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They have a sense of roots to the nation, to the culture

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They're not soulless globalists who never have children

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Are totally about destroying anything independent, anything family

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Because they're satanic

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Trump and Putin you're saying are not satanic

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Wow

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Absolutely

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So now Jordan, I know you had a strong reaction to that

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Trump is American Putin

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And Putin is Russian Trump

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That is not a good thing to have on your theoretically patriot based Alex Jones show

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No

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This is pure

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Why is he doing this now?

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That's insane that he's doing it now

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Because he doesn't think it's weird

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He thinks that the globalists did all this shit in Ukraine

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Not realizing that the guy he has on his show

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Legitimately was training a paramilitary organization

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That went into and attacked Ukraine

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He doesn't realize that it's very clear that Russia did that

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He thinks that it's the globalists

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So all of his premonitions, all of his ideas

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All this Russia stuff is bullshit

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Because he believes the stories that come to him from official Russian state media

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That's a very different thing

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That's a bigger leap though

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I'm sure that the GOP who are all on that

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There's no Russian collusion tip

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They're different

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They're different

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They're in trouble

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Yeah

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Alex is dumb

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But if you are dealing with them

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Even those guys can't possibly be okay with you saying

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Trump is an American Putin

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That can't be a thing that's okay

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Even for them

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Alex hates the Republican establishment as much as he hates the Democrats

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So he doesn't give a shit

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They can disapprove of him too

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If that's what you're saying

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Even his listeners can't

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No

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Because he's radicalized his audience

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A lot of those people are still

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No

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Bullshit

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The line that the Russian story is nothing is very different from saying

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Trump is the American fascist journalist murdering

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Country invading

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Billionaire bloodsucker

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To use Alex's terms

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But here's where

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Of Russia

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Here's the thing that you're missing

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He's been prepping his audience for this for at least a year and a half

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That's true

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And not like this is the big reveal or anything like this

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I think this is him showing his cards way too much to someone like me

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Who's listening critically

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But I think that he's been preparing his audience

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By talking about how the globalists are gonna snatch your kids out of the backyard

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And want to drink their blood

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And Putin is the only one defending against it

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But he hasn't talked too much about that for a while now

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All that stuff has been sublimated to Trump

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With the same goal though

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The same goal being that this is

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Let's co-opt Alexander Dugan's language

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He is the guy who's standing between the Antichrist and you

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Alex Jones has taken that idea on and applied it to Trump

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And now the audience is ready for it

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There to be two people standing between them and the Antichrist

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It's incredibly fucked up

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It's deeply and profoundly fucked up

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And I think it comes entirely down to the fact that Alex Jones has been

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He's lost his mind

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And he just believes out and out of propaganda

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He's been in a propaganda hole for so long

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Yelling about the globalists

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Believing nonsense stories

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Again it's because he has brain damage

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From these things that we've uncovered from his own stories

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Most likely

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He doesn't understand where truth and reality mixes into fantasy

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And lies

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And he's been lied to

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And he believes that lie narrative

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Because he has too many people around him

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Who are aggressive

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Look, it comes down to, I think also

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The fact that we talk about

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Who the fuck is going on this show?

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Who the fuck is actually going to spend time talking to this dickhole?

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He's a racist fuck

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You know, all this stuff

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It's been demonstrated over and over again

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How much of a white identity bias he has

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So who is going on to this discredited, alienated show

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That maybe has a million listeners

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Maybe

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That's entirely possible

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But you want a million bigots on your side?

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The people who are going on to that

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Are people

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Well, well, that's a good question

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I don't

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Yeah, but the GOP does

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They love

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They've got way more than a million bigots on their side

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I'm certainly happy with the about, let's say

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Way less than that policy wonks that we have

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I'm thrilled with it

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Yeah, no kidding

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But be that as it may

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Why is it that a silly comedy podcast

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About Alex Jones discovers a crazy Russian plot?

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What is this?

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And let's be clear

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Why isn't Media Matters talking about this shit?

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Let's be clear

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We have not necessarily uncovered it

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But we've seen very strong indications

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That Alex Jones is

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Not that he's a Russian agent

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Again, I'm not saying that

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No, he's not a Russian agent

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He's a shill

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On board with this stuff

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And is beholden to

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Because he does not understand the difference between truth and reality

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And is propagating it

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Yeah

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He's spreading this

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Yeah, and here's the thing

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I get

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Which, I don't know if you know this or not

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But during the run up to 1939

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Or 1937

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There were a lot of op-eds in American newspapers supporting Hitler

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Yeah, and a bunch of stuff about how

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Hitler will calm down once the election's over

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Oh, of course

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Yeah, the whole thing

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There were a lot of people normalizing and being like

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Eh, this will blow over

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But be that as it may

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I want to say this about Media Matters

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I don't think that they're necessarily dumb or evil

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Or anything like that

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But they are an organization that relies on

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Clicks

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Yeah, and traffic and attention

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And we aren't

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Because we are just doing this

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We don't expect to make a living off this

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It would be great

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We would love it

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We don't expect to do that

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We're dumbasses

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You're a comedian

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I quit doing comedy

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But like

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Once a comedian, always a comedian

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Yeah, it's in my bones

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It's in your blood

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But we're doing this because

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The reason you quit is because I drink your adrenochrome

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That's what happens

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I have no more adrenaline in my blood

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We're doing this because we've stumbled into something

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And we believe in it

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And I've bullied you into it

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Because when I said we, I mean I

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Stumbled into this

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And it's fun to hang out with you and drink

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I'm just here to make your beliefs palatable

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I need someone to bounce it off

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But Back to Media Matters

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They are really into getting attention

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So whenever this came out

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This interview was on the 4th

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On the 3rd, Milo Yiannopoulos was on

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And they gay-bashed Glenn Beck

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Which we talked about last week

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And that they made an article about

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And that went viral

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People were complaining about

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Milo and him talking about Glenn Beck's gay sweaters

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And stuff like that

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This is so much more important

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Now I don't know

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I don't go to Media Matters all the time

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So I don't know what all their articles are

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But in the past I have gone and looked at like

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What are they covering?

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And I know that in the past they have covered

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Not stories like this necessarily

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But more substantial stories

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About Glenn Beck

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About Alex Jones

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And you look at the shares on it

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Not as high

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So low

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So it's just that most people don't care

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It's hard to engage with these ideas

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Yeah

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But that's because, well

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I would say that

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Before this for me

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There was a lot more complication to it

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It was a lot more nuanced, right?

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So we're talking about Alex Jones'

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Pro-Russia situation in 2015

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If you are really trying to parse that

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There are a lot of different elements that could come in

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Just like you and I have talked about

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I've consistently been skeptical of your

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Kind of gestalt theory on all of this

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But let me be clear

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So have I

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I've been skeptical of my own theory

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I'm not judging you

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I'm not judging you

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That's more for me than for you

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Because I want people to realize

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I'm not lying when I say

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I didn't come into this with an agenda

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Other than laughing at Alex Jones' dumb ass

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But you were saying

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So before I would say that it is

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Much easier to be skeptical

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Because there are so many different parts

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Coming into play

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If he's just saying

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Putin's a strong man

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You can say

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Well he's just an idiot

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Who likes big dicks

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As you might imagine

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This is kind of unequivocal

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That he supports

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He supports Russian

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What?

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Expansion?

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Russian

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What is the end goal of Dugan?

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We'll get to that in a second

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God dammit!

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Let's be clear

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For about a year and a half

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Alex Jones has been screaming

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About how Donald Trump is our only hope

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And blah blah blah

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And then on this

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The August 4th 2017 episode

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He allows an associate of Putin

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Who is a propagandist

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To come onto his show

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And say that Trump is the American Putin

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And Putin is the Russian Trump

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And Alex Jones agrees

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And then he doubles down on it

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So that means that everything

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That he believes about Trump

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And has been saying in the past

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In some fashion he believes

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About Putin

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Trump is the American Putin

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That's genuinely what Alex believes

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So now I want to bring this

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Hold on

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I'm sorry do you actually have a thought?

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No I have a question

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Does Dugan ever kind of drop

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What it is he's going for?

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Or is he just going on here

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To kind of spread pro-Putin propaganda?

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He wants to talk about his book a little bit

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But then also there

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Oh that's the other thing

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Milo Yiannopoulos was on

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Because Alex Jones is selling his book

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On Infowars

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So that's a part that's missing from the whole story

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Oh so Simon & Schuster is gone

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No they dropped it

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Yeah no no that's what I'm saying

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Simon & Schuster is gone

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So Milo went to the only outlet

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That would still sell his book

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Well that was secondary

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He went to the fucking Mercers

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Oh that's true

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And he plays this whole game in the interview

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Where it's like you know what

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I just had to rely on the support of the people

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Like fuck you

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Right now we have an Easter sale on my book

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It's 55% off

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It's $17.76

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You can get it at Infowars.com

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But back to your question about Dugan

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No most of it is

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He wants to talk about his book a little bit

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He brings up his idea about the fourth political theory

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It's boring

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Alex can't engage with it

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But the rest of it is all just pro-Putin stuff

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Wow

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And anti-globalist stuff which is

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Because of the nature of the interview

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Dugan doesn't believe in globalists

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I think he actually does

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You think he does?

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Like for real

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Based on what I can tell from his writing yes

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But I also think that it's a convenient excuse

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For his Eurasianism theory

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Which we'll get to in a minute

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But before we do

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I have a game show

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Thank god! Thank god Dan!

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We have a segment

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The destruction of the republic

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Does need to be interrupted by a game show

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Ladies and gentlemen

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This is the first segment that has ever happened

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I have prepared a segment

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So at the end of that clip

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Alex Jones

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I know it's like 15 minutes in the past now

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But at the end of that clip

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Alex Jones said

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That the globalists are satanic

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And you know this because they don't have any children

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Now

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I have pulled up a list

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Of some of his big globalists

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And I'd like you to try and guess how many children they have

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Bill Gates

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How many children does Bill and Melinda Gates have?

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I believe he has three children

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You are correct

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Three children

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Excellent

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One point for me

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One point

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Jordan with one point

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Not zero

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Gotcha

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Barack Obama

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Barack has two children?

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Two children

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Two lovely children

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Two points for me

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The Clintons

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Clintons have one child

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That's correct

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The big new Brzezinski

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Oh that one's gonna be tougher

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That's gonna be tougher

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Champion globalist

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The big new Brzezinski

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You know what?

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I'm actually gonna go one up

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I'm gonna say four

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He has three

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Oh damn it

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He has Mika

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He has a son who was an ambassador to Sweden

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I believe

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And a foreign policy child

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Oh good for him

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Yeah, yeah

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So all of them sort of followed in the family business

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The child was born of foreign policy?

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Yes

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A foreign policy child

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Jacob Roth's child

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Oh Jacob Roth's child?

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Two

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The baron of Roth's child or whatever

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The fourth baron

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He has four children

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Ah shit

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Four children

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That's more than Alex

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No I think it's equivalent

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No I think Alex has four

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That's a tie

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Yeah

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David Rockefeller

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Who just recently died

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Rockefeller?

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I'm gonna go with fourteen

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He has six

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Oh I knew it was gonna be big

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I didn't know how big

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Six children

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Okay

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That's not zero Alex

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That's too many children

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All of these globalists have tons of children

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I mean I guess if you're a billionaire six is fine

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George Soros

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Three

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He has five

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Five kids?

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Five kids

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Soros

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You gotta stop fucking

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All these people

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He's like you've noticed these globalists never have kids

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All of them have kids and some of them crazy numbers

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Yeah

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Jesus

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George Soros has five kids

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David Rockefeller had six kids

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Those are big numbers

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Yeah

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That's Little House on the Prairie type numbers

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Yeah

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You have a fucking global operation in banking to concern yourself with

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Not a farm

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What are you doing?

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Soros does have a TV show called Five is Enough

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I remember that one

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So that's the end of the game show

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Soros is enough

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Alex Jones is fucking stupid

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It's another example of him just making claims out of nowhere

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That was just bullshit that he was thrown out there

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The audience will just be like

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Oh yeah of course they don't have any children

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They don't care about the future

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Yeah they're globalists

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All of them have fucking children

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Yeah of course

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And if Alex wants to play this game where he's like

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Well the Clintons, that wasn't actually Bill's kid

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I will say I don't care about your bullshit narrative

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It's still Hillary's kid

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Yeah

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So I don't give a shit

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Why don't you go fuck yourself

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Hey

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Do you know who is the father of Megyn Kelly's kid?

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Probably Putin

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It's definitely Putin

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You got her all wet

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Does Kelly have a Putin?

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Does Kelly have a child?

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I didn't look into that

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I don't think that she's an arch

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I don't think she has a child

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She's also not an arch globalist

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She became a globalist though once she left Fox News right?

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But she's nouveau globalist

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She's not like the old school globalists

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Like these people on this list

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Right right right

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I mean you could make an argument that Barack Obama and the Clintons are just tools of the globalists

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But the rest of them like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alex Jones

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Huge globalist

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Talks about how he is the one of the people who set the agenda

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Architect

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George Soros runs the whole fucking thing

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Of course

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David Rockefeller was the heart and soul of globalism

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And the Rothschild's family is what's all behind it

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It's fucking nonsense

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Wow

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So stupid

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This should just be a small indication that everything he said is made up

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Yeah

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He just comes up with stuff and knows no one's going to look into it

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Well and that wasn't even something that he planned on making up

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Like that was just a throw off

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Yeah but it was a throw off reinforcing his idea

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That there are globalist satanists who don't give a shit about anything

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No exactly

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He's just riffing on that one

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Like that one was just him throwing out a bunch of shit

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And then he's like

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Eh they probably don't have kids

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Who fucking cares I don't know

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I've never heard

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Yeah I'm not paying attention

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I've never spent hours on air complaining about George Soros' son

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Which he literally has

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I've never talked about Chelsea Clinton over and over and over again

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Alex Soros is in college

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I've never spent a bunch of segments complaining about how Barack Obama's kids behave

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Yeah no of course not

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He was in that shit man when they were talking about like Malia dancing at Lollapalooza

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God I hate

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He was on board with that

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I hate all of these people so much

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I hate all of them so fucking much

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They're terrible

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They're fucking believable

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Let's get back to this though because look we

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Look the problem is that we're not normal

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That's true

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We're weird

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Regardless of your ideology that is true

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We're weird

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And Alexander and Alex want to talk about a couple people who are normal

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But their goal is against normality

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And people in Trump they are normal

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They represent not ideological special ideological circles or special world vision

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They represent the peoples and that's very important

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They could be called populists

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So hey Putin and Trump are normal

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Yeah

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There's normal people

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Oh yeah

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All these other people

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All polls show

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All these other people are just aberrations

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Oh they're freaks

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To the normality

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Obama freak

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Yeah totally

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Yeah yeah yeah

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Him having the most average amount of children

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You know

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That's about all I know about him being normal

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He's not normal

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All world leaders are not normal

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If you want to be a world leader you're an insane person

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You would expect that there's some overlap between

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At least like a powerful personality

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A powerful ideology that you have backing your principles

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That's not normal

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So I want to take now this guy Alexander Dugan is saying

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This fucking guy

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He's saying that the two of them are normal

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And so now I think it's a good time as any to talk about what is normal to him

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Oh here we go

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So I've looked into this a little bit

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We've got a new game show

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This is when you give me three options and I have to pick out which one is normal to him

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No I'm just going to read some paragraphs from this article by a guy named Paul Ratner

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They're written up on BigThink.com

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There's a bunch of sources

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I've looked into them

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They check out

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So I trust this in terms of

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I've read some Russian sources on this too

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Because Google translates stuff

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I've gone and checked

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Everything that he's saying matches up

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But he writes it up very well

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So I'm just going to read his article

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Dugan contrasts

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Okay so I need to give a little bit of setup

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One of the things he talks about a lot

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Alexander Dugan that is

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Is the idea that for the last couple decades

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We've had a unipolar world where the United States is the only massive power in the world

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And what Dugan would like to see is a multipolar world

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Which makes some sense on some level

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I don't disagree I suppose

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I don't think that the United States needs to be the only supreme power in the world

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I think that's egotistical

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I think that's a little tunnel vision-y

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I think I would probably argue that there should be an apolar world

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As opposed to a unipolar, tripolar, whatever it is

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I like the sound of that

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I like the idea of an apolar world

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If that is possible

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I'm not entirely sure

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But be that as it may

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For us to become a type one civilization

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It requires that

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Well we're never going to get there

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But be that as it may

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Dugan likes to talk about a multipolar world

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Where in Russia becomes a superpower that is able to check the United States superpower

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That's why he's really big into what's going on in Syria

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Because it is a situation where

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It's a proxy war

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Well it's a situation where Assad was this guy

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And the United States came in like

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Get him out of here

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And they're a superpower

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And of course whatever they say goes

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But no, Russia comes in and is like

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Hold on

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You don't get to just say that

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So the way Alexander Dugan would present that is

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And I'm basing this on an interview we did with the BBC

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Right

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The way he would present that is

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Because we have nukes

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And because we aren't to be trifled with

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We can step in and say

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No, you aren't the big supreme leader in the world

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And it's not because we like Assad

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It's just on principle

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Like ehhhh

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Ehhhhh

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Ehhhhh

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Ehhhhh

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Yeah

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So here's a quote from the article

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Dugan contrasts his theory of a multipolar world

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With what he and conspiracy theorists worldwide see

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As the movement towards creating a

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World government

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Led by disingenuous globalist elites

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Who are out to deprive people of a sense of identity

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And to subjugate them into their corporate needs

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In this world of a number of regional superpowers

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What role would Russia play?

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Dugan sees Russia to be the leading nation

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In the Eurasian Union

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Who would have guessed?

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And has founded the International Eurasia Movement

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To make that happen

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What is Eurasia?

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Basically it's the territory of the former Soviet Union

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Wow

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Boy does he get really

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That's very subtle

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That's a subtle thing right there

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Dugan thinks the Soviet Union

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Just took over the boundaries of a historical union of people

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And ethnicities that were there

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For the Russian Empire

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As Russia is a country of a unique culture and destiny

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It is its mission to create a center of power

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That has elements of both Europe and Asia

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The two continents straddled by the expansive country

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So part of his philosophy is this thing called Eurasianism

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And that is the idea that you're gonna create a Eurasian Union

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Alex Jones is really against those sorts of things

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I mean he even pointed out

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Multipolar is a globalist organization

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Like he used that sentence

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Yeah

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Dude does he buy his own bullshit?

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Alex?

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No this Alexander Dugan fuck

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I would say possibly

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He can't possibly buy that dumb

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That's dumb

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That's not

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It's not that that's evil or some kind of

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Like it's just dumb

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It's not lunacy

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It's idiocy

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Like how can you possibly believe

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No it's not

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It is

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It's stupid

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It's a fine layer of varnish over expansionism

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Yeah

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It is good

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But that's what I'm saying about buying his own bullshit

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No it's good

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He knows exactly what he means

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But it's good PR to put it in this sort of language

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In the same way

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Right but what he's saying is

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We want the Soviet Union back

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Yes

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Now

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What kind of bullshit moron would think that they would stop at the fucking Soviet Union back

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That's un-fucking believable

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Right

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There's no way that

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Look say they get the Soviet Union back

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I think we're good

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Guess what happens

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We're good

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Guess what happens

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We're good

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You know what else was part of the Soviet Union world

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Do you remember that Poland used to

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Like it's just made up bullshit

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Oh yeah

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To try and take over as much as they fucking can

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All of Europe would get absorbed by that at some point

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So he can't possibly buy this nonsense

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No but he doesn't buy it

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Yeah

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That's his public face

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How

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Do you not understand that

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Words, words need to mean things

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You're having such a difficult time

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I'm having a fucking stroke is what I'm having

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The reason you're having a difficult time is you're trying to accept face value from propagandists

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I'm not, I'm just trying to say that

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I just find it so, I find it so fascinating that these people are such sociopaths

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They're such psychopaths

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Big time

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That they can lie like this

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They can twist reality into something that is a mirror version of this world

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And they can pull it off

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Like he's brilliant on this show

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And this is all

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It's not hard with Alex

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Well yeah that's fair

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The world's greatest straight man

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That's very fair, that's very fair

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Well he's no Phil Hartman

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He's like one of the Smothers brothers

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I'm not sure which one

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He's not even Dave Foley

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Come on

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No I, like the thing about, like do you watch True Crime at all

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I've seen some stuff

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You see these monsters and you think

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How can a human being think like that

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How can a human being do something like that

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But these guys on a grand scale are pure insanity

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Well I know that I've watched a lot of like cops and those sorts of shows

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And you know, everyone, whenever you're caught red handed

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You always sort of come up with an excuse

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And those are dumb people

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Exactly

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Alexander Dukin's a really smart person who knows he will be caught red handed eventually

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And it's created an entire world view based around preemptively not having to make that excuse at the last second

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Exactly

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And that's what he's doing

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That's the difference between a human being and a psychopath

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Like if you're on cops

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Genius

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If you're on cops

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It's genius

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Well I don't know if I would go

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The difference between a normal bad person and a psychopath is to some extent a layer of intelligence

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Well I mean, yeah you're not wrong

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You're not wrong

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I have another paragraph to read you

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I mean a serial killer usually gets away with plenty so you have to be pretty smart to get away with that many murders

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Yeah, so Alex Jones likes to talk about America being the new Atlantis

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We can recall a number of times in our investigations and episodes where he's talked about that

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Yeah that one's fun

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That one he's not saying that Russia is great

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He's also talked a lot about Atlantis in terms that don't match up with Plato

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And he cites Plato on that

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And here's a quote that has to do with Atlantis about Dugan

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From Alex or from Dugan?

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This is from that article from Big Think about Dugan's philosophies

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Dugan digs even deeper into his very controversial historical analysis claiming Eurasia's current opponent is not just the United States but Atlanticism

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An axis of cooperation between Europe, US, and Canada that crosses the Atlantic Ocean

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These maritime liberal nations value individuality and market forces

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Eurasia on the other hand represents the conservative philosophy of landlocked continentalism

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Which according to Eurasians has among its values a hierarchical structure, law and order, traditionalism, and religion

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Thus we have Atlantis versus Eurasia

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In fact Dugan claims all history can be viewed as a battle between maritime and land-based nations

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That is very true

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He's written a bunch of stuff about that, how a lot of wars can just be traced back to water versus land people

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It's wild

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I mean the waterbenders and the earthbenders have never really gotten along well

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You keep trying to get me to watch this fucking Avatar

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You're gonna watch Avatar, that's what's gonna happen

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He's the last airbender there, freewheeling people

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I base a lot of my philosophy on Aang

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This is very important to me

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No I have no idea

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Yeah

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That's crazy

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Water people versus land people

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Was fucking Genghis Khan fighting against a lot of navies?

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Like fuck you, that's insanity

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It's pretty dumb

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Dan you've made me very angry today

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Yeah

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I'm trying to speak in complete sentences and I'm not doing a good job

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A little bit earlier I made the claim that he wants to end the world and here's a quote from his book, that fourth political theory

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The end times and the eschatological meaning of politics will not realize themselves on their own

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We will wait for the end in vain

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The end will never come if we wait for it

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And it will never come if we do not

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It is the fourth political

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Well then don't

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The end times won't come unless we do it

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So then it's easy

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If the fourth political practice is not able to realize the end of times then it would be invalid

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The end of days should come but it will not come by itself

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That's not good

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But hey whatever

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That's like a Patton Oswalt bit about George W. Bush wanting to become the last president

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Yeah but this isn't a joke

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No it's not. This is a real guy

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This is a Russian philosopher who has the ear of Putin

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Who's on Alex Jones' show

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Who now has the ear of Alex Jones' listeners

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Yeah

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Who have been primed for at least a year to be sympathetic to his views

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Because the globalists and the globalist controlled media are just lying about all this shit

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Is it bringing about the end times exactly what the antichrist wants to do?

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And what Bannon kind of wants to do in terms of his cyclical view of history

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So their new world order is

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Oh god these people are so fucking crazy

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Well I mean I don't think that we've ever taken it out to a macro scale

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Because we talk about all the time

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We bring up how Alex Jones accuses people of doing what he's going to do

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Yeah

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So if we take it to the nth degree

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Right

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Him talking about the new world order and all that stuff

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Maybe that is

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Maybe that's their goal because clearly that's Dugan's goal

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Dugan wants the new world order and he's peddling this bullshit philosophy

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Through Eurasianism

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Yeah he's peddling this bullshit philosophy of destroying the world

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When in reality what he's talking about is creating that very new world order

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That he is claiming to fight against

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But he wants to do it through like a massive war

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Yeah

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He wants to do it through a massive death filled war

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I mean fucking Orwell nailed that

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Yeah

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So here is the last bit

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Eternal war is a very simple way to take over

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Here's the last bit I'm going to read

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And this has to do with the idea that

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It is kind of confusing to think beyond trying to hurt Hillary Clinton

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Why the Russians would meddle in the election

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And what exactly their goal is

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And in this article this gentleman lays out

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This Paul Ratner lays out how Dugan's influence probably has some role to play

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In the actual campaign

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Uh huh

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To see what Dugan might advocate specifically

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We can look at his best selling book

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The Foundation of Geopolitics from 1997

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Which had particular success among Russian military

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And according to foreign policy and Dugan's own words

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Is assigned as a textbook at Russian military universities

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That's not good

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The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century

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That would lead to Eurasia's formation

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Which is that Eurasian union that he wants

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That's not good

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But also I mean just the reunions of the Soviet Union

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The Soviet Union

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But also includes specific strategies for defeating

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Or neutralizing the United States

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These include destabilizing and disinformation campaigns

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Using Russian special forces and asymmetrical warfare

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Splitting alliances between US and countries like Germany and France

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As well as fermenting division within the country itself

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Specifically singling out race relations

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On page 367 of the first edition of the book

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Dugan explains, quote

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It is essentially important to introduce geopolitical disorder

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Into internal American activity

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Encouraging all kinds of separatism

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And ethnic, social, and racial conflicts

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Actively supporting all dissident movements

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Extremist, racist, and sectarian groups

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Thus destabilizing internal political processes

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In the United States

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It would also make sense simultaneously

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To support isolationist tendencies in American politics

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Gotta give it to them, they're good

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And they're good

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They did it

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Yeah

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They did it

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You gotta give it to them

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Yeah

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Like they did a great job

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And Alex is fucking helping

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So even though, like even if it's not out and out collusion

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These people are working for the Russians

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Yeah

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Like Trump, Trump running on a purely racist campaign

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And isolationist

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And works perfectly for the Russians

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Yep

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And that's from 1997 he had these ideas

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I don't think it's possible for us to figure out exactly when Alex

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Became beholden to Russian propaganda

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I know I said that it's the summer of 2015

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But it's entirely possible he had influences beyond that

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Or it's just possible that when Russian active

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Like they became much more active in terms of their behaviors

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They realized, oh these goals that Alexander Dugan clearly set out

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In this book that is now a textbook for Russian military operations

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At the universities

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Alex is already on board

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He is really into creating racial strife

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Yeah

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He's really into all this stuff

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Yeah

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Like legitimately reading that, my heart fluttered

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Because I'm just like, this is so clear exactly what Alex is doing

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And it's exactly what happened

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Mm-hmm

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Man, that's fucking nuts

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Yeah

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Yeah

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What are we gonna do, Dan?

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We're gonna die

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I know I've been talking about that

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But god damn it, it's hard not to believe that this is gonna go

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It's not gonna go well

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This is gonna go real fucked up real soon

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It's gonna get worse before it gets better, that's definitely

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Oh man, I love your optimism

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Mm-hmm

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So I mean, look, look

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Look at all the details in there

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Look at the stuff about, like in 1997

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Alexander Dugan is laying out a campaign for the creation of Eurasia

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That involves strategic splitting of strong alliances

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Like with Germany, like with France

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That we're seeing, we're seeing that happen in front of our eyes

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Yep

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We saw an attempt for that to happen with Le Pen and her candidacy

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A successful situation with Brexit

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Absolutely, I mean, UK isn't mentioned specifically in there

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But of course that's in there

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But why not, yeah, yeah, that was there

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That's part of the Atlantean alliance or whatever

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Yeah, the water people

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And now Germany's election's coming up and we're gonna see that

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Even beyond that, Trump has insulted Germany

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And been very degrading about their willingness to accept refugees and stuff like that

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The EU has proven pretty strong in fighting against it

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Like, the fact that they defeated Le Pen

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The fact that most of the EU is really united

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The EU didn't defeat Le Pen

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No, no, no, no, I'm not saying that

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I'm saying the French people

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I'm not clear about that lest people think that we're saying the globalists defeated her

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Or something like that

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Yeah, yeah, fair

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You have to think about how these things sound

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Right, fair, fair

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But they, so far it seems that a lot of things have proved fairly resilient in this regard

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Sure

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I think

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International, sort of, institutions seem much stronger than our own

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Yeah

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And generally I think we have much more to worry about in terms of our norms

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In terms of our values eroding

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Well, it turns out not enough stuff was written down

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Turns out

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It's, like, the assumption on so many of these things before they were written down is just

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People will like America

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Yeah

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And it turns out there, we were, the founding, that they were way off

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Yeah

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So I, I

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The Constitutional Congress should have planned for America hating itself

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Yeah

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I want to go back to this part of the quote, too

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The direct quote from Dugan

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About encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts

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Actively supporting all dissident movements, extremist, racist, and sectarian groups

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Thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States

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Yeah

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I want to go back to that because I think it's really important for us to look at

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In the wake of the election

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There was a guy, I can't remember his name, who was trying to lead a secessionist movement

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In California

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Yes, Kalexit

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Kalexit

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Yeah

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He was working on that and then he moved to Russia

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No!

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Yeah

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That's not true

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And then gave up on the Kalexit campaign

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That is not true

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It is

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Tell me that's not true

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It is 100% true

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Could you tell me one more time that's not true?

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I wish I could

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I just need to hear it one more time from you

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I wish I could tell you it once

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How not true that was

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Absolutely true

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So with the Kalexit thing

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Yeah

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That guy moving to Russia

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Yeah

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Kalexit was

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That doesn't actually necessarily mean anything to people

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It doesn't mean anything

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But it's weird

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It's weird

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It's coincidental

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Weird

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To an insane degree

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Yeah

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But that was a massive failure

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Yeah

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If you were talking about some sort of Russian propaganda campaign to try and fund that

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That had no fertile soil, so to speak

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No, but

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But the racist

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But if you're a smart fisherman, you cast a wide net

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Yeah, of course

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You're gonna not catch a ton of fish, but you're gonna catch the rest of them

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Exactly, and that's I think what

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If we're talking about that

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In terms of maybe that's an actualized plan that they pulled off

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Yeah

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Then what they've discovered is that our racists, our bigots, our religious fuckers

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All of those people are far more easy to hoodwink than our sectarians, if you will

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Who are our sectarians?

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Like the Kalexit people

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Alex Jones?

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No, no, no, no

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Oh

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The Kalexit

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Because I would consider Alex Jones bordering on sectarians

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Disagree

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Okay

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Alex Jones does not have a religion so much as he is religious

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He has an anti-globalist religion

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Yeah, that's true, but he has more of a nonsense theology as opposed to an ideology

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Or a traditional religion, if you will

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Fair enough

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If you're at 14th dimensional beings, you're not really a Christian

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You're so unfair as 12th

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Yeah, sorry

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You're right, that was my fault, that was my fault

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But the point being

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I kind of agree, but at the same time I want to be clear that like

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This is a book that he wrote that became widely adopted

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And became a textbook for Russian military universities

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I can't believe that

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That advocates for paying and supporting disruptive entities within our internal body politic

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Right

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So if you

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Which you would, if you go back to Le Pen and those, she was very pro-Russia

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You know why Alex Jones sells shirts for $4, $4.90 or $5 or whatever

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It's a lost leader

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So sometimes, you know, you're Russia and you support some movement that doesn't end up working out

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That's a lost leader

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Yeah

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You gotta, you gotta, you gotta spread it out

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And then eventually something will sprout

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Jesus

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I think that there's something along those lines

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It does, it does seem like that

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It does seem like they've thrown whatever it is they can at the wall

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And with our racists it stuck

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Yeah, I have some good news though, Jordan

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What's your good news?

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Well

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Is Rappaport dead?

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No

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My good news is that we like to think of, you know, Trump, Putin, guys with a lot of money

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Yeah

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They're really rich

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And we like to think that they're sort of snobby and, you know, we sort of think of them as elitists

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Well I think of them as connected to the common man

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Well, you and Alexander Dugan and Alex Jones have something in common

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See, there we go

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I knew that we would have some kind of

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They're not elitists trying to change the programming of humanity, God's system, and play God

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They are living in it and are part of it

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And so that's why this artificial, synthetic, world government, transhumanist movement has openly declared war on men and women

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They're teaching in America, and schools don't have men and women, it's hurtful to others

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They are in open warfare saying humanity's ugly

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Dugan, Dugan, quick question

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Do you guys have purple penguins?

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That's exactly why I kept the clip in

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Yeah

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Because it's like, it's degrading

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It's degrading for you to be speaking to someone of the

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An arch propagandist

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Right

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Now I feel a little bit murky giving him, like, any sort of respect at all

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But at the same time, he's way smarter than Alex

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And that is an example of the way Alex does these things in interviews where he says these lie narratives

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And when the other person doesn't push back against it, he knows we're in good

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Yeah

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And we can just let it fly

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I see this as, like, LeBron James playing against a college ball player

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Like, this is, these guys are not in the same stratosphere

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Totally

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Totally

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So we got just a couple more clips to get through

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This next one is, um, is paranoid

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It's just pretty paranoid

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Just paranoid?

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Yeah

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And also get your take on what is it like to watch what they're doing to Trump

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Because, you know, Putin rightfully said there is a war against Trump by the deep state

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It is going into high gear

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They are publicly on TV saying they're getting ready to kill him

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Which is meaning they're normalizing it so there's not riots

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If they do kill Trump, I mean, the sky's the limit

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Clearly they're planning a war with Russia

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It is just beyond psychotic

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Alex, your guest for 20 years has been angling for a war with us

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Yeah

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Why are you talking about the deep state trying to create a war with Russia?

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You have a Russian on your show who has the ear of Putin

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Or at least has for years, I don't know what the current situation is

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But he's been trying to

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Ah, they golf

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They golf on the weekends

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He's been trying to start a war with us

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It's not great

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It's not great

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It's crazy

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I do like how he's saying that they're trying to normalize it for when they actually do assassinate

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When they jump

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Yeah, which is like, dude, you're trying to normalize when Putin reunites the Soviet Union

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Like, what are you doing here?

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And further, Alex is trying to normalize also the idea that if they do

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And by the way, I'm putting they in quotes

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Right

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If Trump does get impeached or assassinated, then we jump

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He's normalizing the idea that it's all out civil war at that point

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Well, he's normalizing the idea that we are currently in a civil war

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Right, but a hot civil war

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Ah, ah

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That would come once our savior, our Putin, is taken down

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I'm looking forward to Putin telling Trump to tear down the Mexican border wall

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Oh, that'd be great

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That'd be fun, that'd be an ironic twist

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If you're writing the history book, that is where you do it

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That would be terrifying

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As a civilian, that would be terrifying

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All of this is terrifying

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Yeah, Putin being able to legitimately take some nice high ground would be not pleasant

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No, not good

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It's weird to listen to this episode in specific

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Because, you know, a lot of the terror that we deal with

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I can go home and I can kind of unwind and just process it

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This is legitimately terrifying to the point where

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It's deeply troubling

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Yeah

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I don't, I won't feel comfortable for days because of this

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Dan, you've ruined my vacation

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No, you'll be fine

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You'll be fine, you'll see those fjords and be happy as shit

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Fjords or Norway

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Ah, whatever, who cares

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Globalist

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Speaking like a globalist

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So we have one more clip left

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And this one is just a little bit of

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It's interesting because we're done with Dugan now

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Yeah

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But, so a couple days ago, a couple days ago, back on the 3rd

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Mike Cernovich came out, he released a video where he said

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That he is pivoting away from Trump

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No longer on the Trump team

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I'm gonna just read a quote

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So I'm glad I've been doing more guerrilla mindset stuff

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The journalism stuff

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I pivoted from a pro-Trump

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Quote unquote journalism stuff

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I pivoted from a pro-Trump guy to a more journalistic guy

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And I'm gonna keep making that pivot

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So whenever people think of me as like a pro-Trump guy

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I don't want people to think of me as a pro-Trump guy anymore

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I want people to think of me as a mindset guy

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A journalist, a commentator, a social media personality

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A filmmaker, an author

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But I have to pivot so far away from anything pro-Trump

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I just gotta keep going that way

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So I've been pivoting

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I've been pivoting a little bit lately

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Which I told you, right?

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I've been pivoting

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And now the pivot is gonna be even bigger

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Because what do you get from being a pro-Trump guy, right?

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You shill for Trump all day

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So that's what he said

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Man, he just

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He got in a fight with Alex

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That's what he said on the 3rd

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Yeah

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As you recall

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Don't tell me he's on the show

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As you recall

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Don't tell me he's on the show, Dan

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As you recall, before this

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He was hosting the 4th hour once a week

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He was a very frequent Alex Jones guest

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He came up with the CNN is ISIS whole campaign

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Which Alex blew him on

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Right

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Just got down on his knees and went to town

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Totally

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I'd like to further

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I'd like to re-read this

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So I've been pivoting

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I've been pivoting a little bit

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Which I told you, right?

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I've been pivoting

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And now the pivot is gonna be even bigger

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What do you get from being a pro-Trump guy?

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You gotta shill for Trump all day

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I'm pivoting away from anything pro-Trump

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No, Dan

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Don't play the clip of him being on the show

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This is from August 4th

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Fuck me

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The day after

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Fucking Christ

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Mike Cernovich, who's hosting the 4th hour

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Is gonna pop in with how right he was

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With his White House sources

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On the purge that's now evident

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Where Infowars has been banned and much more

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And of course then Trump

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Continues to be absolutely encircled by traitors

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It is crazy and McMaster is the ringleader

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And it was Cernovich that first identified that

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He's even trying to keep Don Jr. out of politics and defending his dad

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Every defender of the president's being cut off

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Of course you should!

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There's supposed to be a division between the two of them

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That's called the...

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That's fucking...

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I don't want anyone to think of me as a pro-Trump guy

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I'm gonna specifically reject any kind of branding about pro-Trump or whatever

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I'm going this way

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Big big pivot

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Big big pivot

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Huge

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So I've already made a bit of a pivot

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A little bit more

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Now all the way over here

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That's where I am

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When the GOP elite in the deep state goes after Trump hard

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Who's gonna have his back?

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Do you gain anything by risking your reputation, your career, your business supporting Trump?

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What's the upside?

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So everything in life has an upside and a downside

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So you go risk it for Trump

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You might lose it all

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You have a big downside

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Huge downside with Trump

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What's the upside?

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First of all, that quote and everything that Mike Cernovich is saying is

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I really just care about money

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I was just doing this for money the whole time

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I legitimately have no principles attached to what I'm doing

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Secondly, the next day he's hosting the fucking fourth hour

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On a clear propaganda outlet for Donald Trump

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And he's doing it to talk about how right he was about the McMaster's leak

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And that's what brings me to my main point

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It's not about Trump

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The Trump thing was a way to make money

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For Mike Cernovich, he just laid it out

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On his fucking Periscope video that he put out

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Where he pivots away from Trump

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Alex Jones made it clear in 2015

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When we had that clip, that episode

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Where fucking Joe Biggs went to a Trump rally

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And Alex Jones realized he could make a lot of money on it

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The reason that Mike Cernovich is still doing the fourth hour

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To talk about his McMaster's leaks

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Is because this globalist narrative is more important to them

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Than any of the little pieces of it

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Any of the details

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Doesn't matter about Trump, doesn't matter about anything

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It matters about book sales

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No

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The book sales are important

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But the antisemitism that lies behind the globalist narrative

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Is inescapable

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I would say at this point now it's

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It's metastasized into full on white nationalism

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Like we're past antisemitism

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They walk hand in hand

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They do walk hand in hand

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But antisemitism is much more contained

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Cernovich tweeted out a fucking picture of McMaster as a marionette

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And the person who had the strings of the marionette was Soros

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And then there was another marionette above that

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There was another marionette above that that had Rothschilds

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That's all just fucking this same nonsense narrative

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If you really dig into it

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The Rothschilds do not have nearly as much money as everybody pretends they do

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And the whole story of their ascension to a global banking cartel

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That controls everything

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Is complete nonsense

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It's ahistorical

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And in the same way that everyone's

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It's right up there with everyone's anti-central bank shit

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It's like yeah the central bank, it's problematic as an idea

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But it didn't come around as just a way to be evil

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Same thing with the Rothschilds

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They were very successful for a bit

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And now their money has been diffused quite a bit

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They aren't nearly as rich as everyone thinks

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It seems like the greatest lesson

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It comes down to antisemitism

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The greatest lesson nobody ever learned since the death of Jesus Christ

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Was don't hate the Jews

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Comes back to bite you

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And it seems to have bitten us pretty bad

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So many people hate the Jews for no good reason

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I am firm in my conviction

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Based on all the research that I've done

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About Alex Jones' individual sources

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That he claims that prove the globalism stuff

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They just don't say what he says they say

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The things that do match up with the things he says

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Come from sources like the protocols of the elders of Zion

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And deeply antisemitic frauds throughout history

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So I am of the mind

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Which was started by Russian intelligence

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Exactly

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We're fucked! We're fucked, Dan!

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Yeah, totally

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I'm of the mind that Alex Jones is

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Knowing it or not, beholden to a deeply antisemitic worldview

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And a lot of these Johnny-come-latelys

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The Cernovitches

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The Jack Passobics

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The Cassandra Fairbanks

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The Lawrence Southerners

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These people are following right in the wake

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The Gavin McGinnises too

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They're all just going along the exact same ride

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And they are doing it

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Maybe more effectively

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Maybe smarter than Alex

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Because there's the new media aspect of it

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Maybe more craven about it

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I would say so, more desperate

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If Cernovitch is just admitting it out and out

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That it wasn't good for book sales to get into Trump

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Then it seems like they are much less beholden to any kind of thought process

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He specifically says in that rant that

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The Trump mindset book didn't sell as well

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Or the MAGA mindset didn't sell as well as Guerrilla mindset

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And so it's like, you don't fucking have any

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So fighting for a toxic masculine identity

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Sells far better than fighting for Trump

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Well because that's too much

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That's putting a hat on a hat

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You're putting toxic masculinity on top of toxic masculinity

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And you don't need to do that

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That's a comedy error

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Hat on a hat, don't do it

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Don't do it

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I don't know if I'm making my point fully

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This thing with Cernovitch is incredibly revealing

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It exposes so much

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It exposes a ton about Mike Cernovitch

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And what's really meaningful to him

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The fact that he does this

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And big big pivot away from Trump

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I reject all branding of me being pro-Trump

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And then a day later

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Doing the Infowars fourth hour

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Which is an out and out Trump propaganda operation

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And Alex didn't intervene in any way

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Like Alex had to have seen him say

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I'm way anti-Trump now

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Not anti-Trump but I'm free of Trump

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I reject the branding

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Yeah exactly

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And he didn't do shit

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I'm willing to believe he didn't see that

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That's fair

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He might be hungover

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That is fair

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There's a lot of possibilities in terms of the world of Alex Jones

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Might still be Jaeger bombed

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Yeah but I mean that was two years back

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But it's a long hangover

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Are we rejecting that out of course

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Or are we still going with that

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Quite honestly I feel like our country might be in a 17-18 year hangover right now

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Yeah fair

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I just I think that

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We never should have elected Reagan Dan

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That's where it all began

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Yeah

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How we feeling?

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We doing okay Dan?

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You know where I'm at?

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Here's where I'm at

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Where you at?

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I got too much going on inside my head

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In terms of a lot of these angles

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And I'm very worried that I'm not laying it out

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In a way that makes sense

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I'm deeply worried that

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It sounds like rampant conjecture and nonsense

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Yeah

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And

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Which there is no shortage of on the internet

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Right and

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We're not trying to be Louise Mensch

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No

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And I'm deeply critical of myself

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In as much as even as I'm saying these things

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I'm like what are you doing

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And as soon as I post this

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I will regret posting it

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Of course

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But that's with everything we've ever done

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Absolutely

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Every time I used to get on stage

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I'm like why am I doing this

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Yeah

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Every time I would do a podcast

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I'd be like

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Who the fuck

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Why did I do this

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Who the fuck wants this

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Exactly

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Why am I hurting people with this

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That's deep insecurity that is just from bad parenting

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Who knows

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And that's how we got Putin

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Who knows

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Let's not psycho analyze everything at this point

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But like

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I am deeply deeply deeply concerned

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About two things

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One is the big picture that we were talking about

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About the Dugan and Alex clear pro-Putin position

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That thing is incredibly troubling to me

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Yeah

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Because it does match up with what we saw in our last episode from two years in the past

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And there's a decent chance that all of this has been Alex's position the whole time

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And no one realized it

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That he is not a Russian agent

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But is a Russian mouthpiece

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Yeah

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More or less

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Yeah

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He is someone who is compromised maybe by flattery

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Because

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Very simple

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You know what

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If he lived in America for up till 2015 what would that be

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20 years, 19 years doing radio and everyone thinking he's crazy

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Uh huh

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Some Russian people come around and be like you're fucking awesome

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You got it

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You're so great

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Then he starts to see Russian propaganda that sounds a lot like him

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How would that not sway you

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That's true

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That's super villain backstory

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Yeah

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That's

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Yeah

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So there's that

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Yeah

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There's that image that's in my head

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Yeah

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That's where the pot is just being told you're a good boy

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Right

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Right

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Uh and then beyond that I mean the Cernovich shit I'm so I mean who cares really

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But like I'm torn between that whole pivot is fake

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That's all fake

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Which it absolutely is

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That's a media

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Absolutely

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That's a media stunt

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Yeah

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But then the other

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That's Paul Joseph Watson saying that he eats paper

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Maybe

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Yeah

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But it's possible that he's being sincere but then he still will be on Infowars because

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he still believes in the globalist stuff and he thinks that he can exist on Infowars and

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not be branded as pro-Trump which I'm here to tell you you can't

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You cannot do that

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But at the same time like I if that is the case that's even more troubling to me because

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then I mean globalists aren't real and don't give me that look

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You know damn well

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It's an audio podcast but I just raised a raised brow at you

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That was the people's eyebrow

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It I just I just don't know what to do with it I don't know what to do I I'm not ready

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to deal with the idea of there being just an out and out anti-globalist propaganda network

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wherein Alex Jones allows someone who's not pro-Trump to be on it like that idea for me

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is fascinating it's scary but it's fascinating

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It'll be it'll be interesting to see who influences who here so imagine Cernovich's pivot is

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real not because he doesn't support Trump anymore but just because why would I align

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myself with Trump's clearly disintegrating brand

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Right right

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So if that is true then his argument to Alex is one again of craven opportunisticness opportunistic

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Dude you gotta get out of here

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Yeah exactly

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Bro you gotta get off the ship

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Exactly so so he and Alex have a conversation that boils down to Alex saying my audience

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is so pro-Trump I can't pivot away

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The fact

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And Cernovich saying it's a smart move money wise in the long term

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That's fascinating

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But I can't not you know like for me to sell books I have to be divorced from Trump for

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you to sell shit you have to be on board with Trump

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You know what though this pivot didn't come six months ago from Cernovich so you know

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what I bet

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What

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I bet his book sales were great initially and then they're terrible now

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So they dropped off because everybody hates Trump

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Right so I bet the argument that Alex could make about long term stuff holds no water

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and I would argue that

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No that's that's what I'm saying Cernovich's argument is long term this is bad

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Yeah

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But Alex saying if I pivot

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I built up this operation

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If I pivot now everything is over

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Right but

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So for Cernovich it's fine for him to pivot on a day

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Dude

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Alex has to take months to pivot

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No Cernovich came up with the CNN is ISIS shit

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He is a wunderkind in terms of like ideas

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This guy is an idea dude

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Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, Buckley with a little sack of male vitality

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And a seventh wife stolen by Alex

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They get in a room together they snort some lines of that super male vitality

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They can come up with a way for Alex to get out of this thing real quick

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Except they can't because Alex Jones for the last couple years has been beholden to Russian propaganda

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And as early as Friday has had representative of that on his show

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It bums me out I don't want this to be the truth

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Does Cernovich have any kind of Russian propaganda

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Like Cernovich has to be independent of that

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Because he's way later

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No but I think he's beholden to stuff in the same way that Alex is

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But he's also just a shithead

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Like he came to prominence during the gamergate stuff

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Which he can go fucking murder himself

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But he is that kind of

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I hope he fucking shoots himself in the head

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He's that kind of guy

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He's a contrarian right male identity kind of dude online

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That's sort of been his scope

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And I haven't studied him enough to know if he has any

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I don't know if his narratives match up with Russia

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In the same way that Alex is

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He's a joke who fucking ties himself to this idea of masculinity

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That God help us should go away as soon as possible

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Agreed agreed

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That's all he is

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So at this point I'm gonna wish you a happy vacation

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I will try

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I think at this point there's a lot more information that we want that we don't have

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And we'll find out eventually

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But at this point it's deeply troubling

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But we'll see

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We'll see what the other facts come up

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Oh man if you want to know more

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Wait until we find out more

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Sure

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Or you could follow us at

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At knowledge underscore fight

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Right

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On Twitter

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Or you can go to our website knowledgefight.com

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And you can find our archive of episodes that have led us to this point

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Which has been a wild harrowing 8 month journey

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Right

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Filled with more red herrings than the fucking Thin Man

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Like what's going on here

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Absolutely it's nonsense

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Yeah

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And then also filled with more revelations of

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What the fuck is this guy talking about

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Yeah

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Just like the Thin Man I want some kind of drawing room scene

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Where all of the players are put together around a table

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And we go like

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Now it could be Alex Jones

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Up till right now I thought you were talking about the Slender Man

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No the Thin Man with Nick and Nora you don't know this shit

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I only know about the Slender Man

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Dude great movie great movie

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So is the Slender Man

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A lot more acceptance of punching wives back in the day

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Sure

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Great movie

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Oh that's just you know that's

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Yeah that's true

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It's a very relevant movie apparently

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Yeah it's very Russian

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Yeah

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Also you can check us out on iTunes

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Yeah Facebook you can check us out there

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I was trying to say it faster so you would just let it go

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It's never gonna happen

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Nope

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Big shout out to all our peeps sending us messages on there

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Yep and we're getting buttons made and other merch stuff will be flowing in the near future

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Also again I said this on the last episode I might as well reiterate it

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If you know someone who has a business that wants advertising

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I don't think there are a lot of businesses that want to be associated with me

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Or this

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Probably not

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Yeah

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You know what else no one wants to be associated with?

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Um oh uh gonorrhea?

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This denture mouth piece of shit

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Oh did uh did Alex Jones' father make him his dentures?

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You know what that's fascinating

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That's a good question

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I would love to know the truth about that

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Yeah

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CIA dentist comes in

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Hold on

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Okay

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Hold on

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Let's hear this

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New narrative

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Let's hear how great this bit is never gonna work

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John Rappaport at one point was normal

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Yes

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But then he got a toothache

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No we're talking about uh oh shit oh shit

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This is his backstory

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We're getting into evil dentures territory

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Yes

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Okay so we're talking about Frankenstein dentures

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He took them from an info warrior

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20 years ago John Rappaport was a normal investigative journalist

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Right

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He was hanging out trying to get to the bottom of scoops

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Right

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But then toothache

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Fuck what am I gonna do

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Well I happen to be in uh Texas

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Happen to be in Austin?

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I hear great things about Dr. Jones

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He's a great guy

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He's a CIA dentist

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One of the top six dentists

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And you know what this dentist no time for love

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Dr. Jones

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Just gotta get in there with the teeth

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So he goes in

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He goes in

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Rappaport goes in

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Gets his teeth worked on

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Turns out puts chimeras in his mouth

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Puts chimeras

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Talk to him

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Okay

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In his mouth

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Wait his teeth are chimeras?

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Yeah yeah

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Okay

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CIA dentist Dr. Jones puts in animal human chimeras inside the feelings inside his teeth

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Uh they start telling him all these things like HIV isn't real

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Okay

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They start whispering those things inside his mouth which I mean it's a resonant cavern

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Right

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It's gonna get into your ear eventually

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Sure sure

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If you if you

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I'm following along

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If you're tiny and inside a mouth and you speak towards the throat it's gonna get to

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the ear

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Yeah yeah yeah

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So these tiny chimeras inside the teeth start giving out

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I'm loving this you're running out of steam but I'm loving it

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I've already run out of steam

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Anyway none of this is true

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The idea that somebody turns the podcast off the moment we get into plugs makes me laugh

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so much more now

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Yeah

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Considering the fact that we have never ended this show in a anywhere near competent manner

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Or coherent

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Yeah

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But anyway that that all isn't true

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What's the point that you're trying to make Dan?

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Sean Rappaport uh with a T at the end uh can fuck himself

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

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Hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work

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I love you