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Dune.
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Dune.
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as if they're the good guys saying
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we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it. Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller. I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Hello everyone, welcome to
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a brand new show that we're doing.
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Miniseries.
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As you can tell from the
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remix up top.
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I realized as soon as the music started
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that we should have prepared in some way
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to have like a special theme
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or something, but we just didn't plan ahead at all.
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You know, I think improv is
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a loose form of art.
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Sure.
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Just yell Dune.
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So, that is
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what we're doing. We're doing Dune
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with Dan. Doing Dune.
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That's the plan. I'm gonna
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try not to rhyme any further.
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No, I encourage it.
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So, I don't know why, but
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people have for quite a while
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kind of insisted that we talk about
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Dune. Yes. Beyond, I suppose
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you know, Alex is
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I think it's almost like a connection that
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Alex and I have on like an evil
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hero villain kind of
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scale. It's just a passion
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for Frank Herbert.
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It's like a spectrum.
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I'm on the chaotic good.
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He's a chaotic evil, I guess.
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Sure.
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It is definitely
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something that the U2 share and
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I have an entire blind
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spot for. I know that I
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read Dune when I was
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young, but I didn't get it and I don't remember
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it. I didn't retain any of it.
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I've never seen the movies.
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Just kind of, as I
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mentioned to you, I just picture
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desert and I just check
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out. My brain's like, fuck no.
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You don't do Ben Hur. No, I don't want
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a desert. It's too dry.
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I don't like it.
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Yes.
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I think that's
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one of the interesting things about
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this is that
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there's almost a conversation that happens
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over your head sometimes whenever it's like
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I think I know Alex is referencing
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Dune and you don't.
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Definitely. There's a lot of
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sci-fi context that I end up
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missing and just sort of
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taking as like, this guy's being a
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weirdo. Oh no, he just thinks he's
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living inside some
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sci-fi book that he read as a kid.
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So, we're going to rectify
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that. It's a problem that needs
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something.
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At the very least, what
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we wound up doing right now
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is we watched David Lynch's
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Dune. Right. Thus, we're doing
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David's Dune with Dan.
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I almost got donuts.
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I wish you had.
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Honestly. I think the best place to
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start, because we can't really take it as a whole.
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Right? As you kind of pointed
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out, you had a first half
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of a movie where you kind of knew what was
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going on. Well, you're getting ahead of yourself
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a little bit. Right. So,
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we watched Dune. We watched Dune.
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Okay, maybe we caught up.
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Exactly.
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I mean,
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there's really no way to kind of give a synopsis
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of Dune, especially with David Lynch's
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version, because, you know, it's like half of
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the movie. So, I was kind of thinking, what is your reaction
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to the first half of the movie, just
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overall? Not the second
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half. Not the second half. Leave the second half
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into the, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Okay,
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nonsense.
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If I'm looking
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at it just from the standpoint of a movie,
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I would leave that not knowing what the
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fuck I had just seen.
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I mean, I think there's the bare bones
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of a story that are being told,
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but poorly.
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Leaving out clearly a lot of connective
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tissue and detail. There's
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the demand that the audience do a lot of work.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, I found that to be unpleasant.
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But,
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I do think that if I was
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a teen, and I was
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smoking a lot of weed or something like that,
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it might blow my mind.
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It might, especially like,
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it looked like shit, but it's from
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1984. Right, right, right. If you were in
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the 80s, it'd probably look great. It'd look
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amazing. That scene where Kyle McLaughlin
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and Patrick Stewart are fighting at the beginning
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with the shields, it looked like trash.
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Absolutely. But, back then
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I'd be like, holy shit,
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I can't believe they were able to do this.
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I can't believe they put
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Patrick Stewart in squares.
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Right.
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I don't know, the first part,
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the first half of the movie, I'm assuming, is like
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you're making the cutoff point
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when Paul gets to Arrakis.
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Or when he crash lands
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with his mom.
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Yes, after his dad dies.
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So, that's the point where we've got our
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first half of the movie, where we
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begin by establishing
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that shit's up.
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Why?
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Because, and this is a
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weird part that, again, David
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Lynch kind of makes this,
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as we talked about while we were watching it,
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he kind of rearranges the book and rearranges
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the story, and then
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if you don't understand what's going on,
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he tries to explain it
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I don't know about that. Through voiceover.
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Sort of. As if they're in their heads,
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right? Now that, of course,
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makes it even more confusing.
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But it opens with
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the Emperor Shaddam
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meeting one of the tube guys.
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I don't know if that name is ever said
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in the movie.
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I just knew, ah, powerful
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guy.
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Super excited power guy.
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That is fine.
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To me, he didn't have a name.
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And then he's meeting with some
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dude
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who's a worm thing,
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but he's not a worm. He's just some kind
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of a weird alien thing
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in a case.
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They don't explain.
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And he's very
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powerful. This worm,
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but not worm, has power over
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the Emperor. Right. And he's
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surrounded by a bunch of weirdos in
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goth outfits. Yes.
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One of whom I noticed
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when the tube guy
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leaves, one of the guys
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starts vacuuming up behind him.
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Just one of the guys, one of the goth
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people who are surrounding this
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alien in a tank as a vacuum.
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Yeah, the picture
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is this giant
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aquarium, right?
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A giant aquarium filled
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with, later on we find
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out it's spice gas. We don't.
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You know that. I do know that. You know that from context.
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We don't know that from the movie. You'll never
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know that. No. Nope, not even close.
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But it's gigantic.
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It's like at least eight people across
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standing arm to arm
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like that, and then 20 people
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long. And as they're
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moving out, the entire part
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is like leaking juice.
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Sure. And there's
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one guy on the edge who's
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kind of like vacuuming up, but then there's
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seven guys worth of juice that they're
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just letting go. Yeah, and only one vacuumer.
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It's absolutely not doing anything.
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No. It's almost
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like, I
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had, in the moment, my thought was
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it was an actor's choice, and it was
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a background extra who was trying to stand
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out. Yep. Or second, it's
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passive aggressive in terms of the
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story. Sure. Like, they're like, we're gonna
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leave a mess, but we're gonna pretend we're trying to do something.
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That's how much of a flex it is. Exactly.
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That's a power move on the Emperor.
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I can see that. None of this has anything to do
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with the story, but these were the thoughts that were going through
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my head, because I don't know who this
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fucking tank dude is. Right. I don't know what's
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going on. So he's like, oh
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no, you gotta kill Paul Atreides. Yes.
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There we go.
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The beginning, the movie begins.
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Yes. So the weirdo in the
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tank is like, kill Paul. Right.
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The reason that this whole
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scene is happening, all right, is
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the Emperor is
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explaining the plot of the movie.
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There's a conspiracy afoot. Straight up, he
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just out and out says it. They were like,
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let's dispense with any kind of
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you know, we'll just
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go out and say it. I am planning on sending
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this guy here to betray this guy.
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Then that guy's gonna die. Now we're
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going. Right. Right. Now
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to spoil a little bit,
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I mean, he spoils the
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movie. Well, but about how things play out.
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Right. My sense
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of it from the beginning was
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aha, I
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will, so there's
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this Arrakis planet
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spice on there.
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There's a big market for spice. Doing the thing.
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A lot of money. Everybody wants it.
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Cool. Whatever. Yeah.
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I don't understand it. He tried to explain
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it. Doesn't make sense. Gotcha. So
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anyway, he,
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Baron Harkonnen, his family,
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they have control of
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Arrakis. Currently. Right? Yes.
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So the Emperor
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is going to put the Atreides family
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in charge of it. Right. But then
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betray them and have Baron Harkonnen
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come in and take back over. Yes. I get
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that. Right. But my perception of it was
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20 years
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from now, Baron Harkonnen will
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take back over it. It'll be some kind of a
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long con. Right.
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That's the way that the movie made
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it feel. Not like I'm setting
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a trap for this person. Right. Right.
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It does feel like they
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are
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building a much more subterfuge-based
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plan as opposed to just being like
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hey, he's going to land. Boom.
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Yeah. We're going to fuck him up. Right.
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Yeah. That's the trick. He's going to
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take a shit someday and then we get him. Yeah.
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It did, it seemed like
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if
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this was the whole plan
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Right. You could have
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just killed the guy. Right? I mean
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like, you didn't need to go through all
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of this nonsense in order to
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kill this family. Right.
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Right. So that's where the book comes
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in. I imagine. You have
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to go through all this nonsense
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to kill a family. And he spends a
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lot of time explaining it. So I'm
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guessing something that's missing
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from this is that it would
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set off some kind of allegiances
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and alliances
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and all kinds of things if the
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Emperor were to kill the Atreides. Yeah.
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So you have to put it there to make it look like
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maybe something had gone wrong with the Fremen
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or something like that. Something like that.
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Yeah. You have to false flag it somehow.
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I love that it took you about five
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seconds and a little bit of thought to get basically
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the idea.
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Well, I mean, I'm forced to.
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Right. Right. Because you
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couldn't have gotten it from the movie. No. No.
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But that was a good guess. Thanks.
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So to flesh out the
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Oh. That actually brings me to my first note.
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Excellent. I was taking notes.
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Don't film this movie.
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Well, that's I mean, that's just sort of
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behind all of it. Sure.
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That is that spice
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is one letter away from space.
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And then I
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wrote coincidence? Question mark?
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That is
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I think. Are you referencing
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Dan Brown?
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Never mind. I think it's interesting
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that the name of the thing is
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is so close to space.
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I feel like we need
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to keep that somewhere, wait 40 years
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and then there'll be a national treasure
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movie with that as a clue.
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You know, space and spice. There's only
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one letter away. Which one do you choose?
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Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, I had a
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feeling. I wrote that note
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and then a little bit after that
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there was the voice
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over of Paul's thoughts and he's like
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is the worm and spice
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connected? I'm like, I feel like he and I are working on
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the same levels, putting connections together.
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Yeah. You're just putting things together.
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That's again, basically. Spice is in space.
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So yeah.
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So the political thing to flush this
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out, right? The emperor has
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a nominal power
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and then there are the great houses
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which are, you know, all of this
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is essentially based on the Greek
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Iliad kind of family structure
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thing, you know?
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And then you have the guild
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which are the
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humans who are mutated into
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the vacuum guy. They're what
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allows people to travel through space.
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And because they exist within
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a spice gas, it
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turns them into that and
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gives them the ability to travel through space.
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How does that help any
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like, if I were
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hanging out with one of these tank
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people, they could help
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me travel through space?
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Um, with a
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spaceship, you know.
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So if they were in my spaceship, they
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could travel my spaceship through
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space. They could fold time and space.
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Because it has a Holzman generator.
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Yeah, I know.
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But, you know, they can see the
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future. That's the idea.
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There's a lot of powers going on
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that don't really make sense
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and aren't delineated
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at all. Well, the
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basic idea is you have to be able to
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see the future in order to
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travel through space. When you're not
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going at the speed of light, right? Because
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if you're traveling through space
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and folding space, you don't know what's
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going to be there. Unless you know
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what's going to be there. Right. That makes sense.
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Does it? Sort of.
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Close enough. At least in terms of an
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idea, that makes sense. Right.
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So you've got the Great Houses.
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You've got the
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the Guild.
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You've got the Emperor. And then you've got the
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L'Anse Rod, which is like
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the economic council,
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essentially. Who? Yeah, the
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Chamber of Commerce. Are they in the movie?
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No. Okay. But all of
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these things put together mean that
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if you do stuff in a direct
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way, everybody has to
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attack the Emperor. That's the check on
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their power. So in order
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for the Emperor to check the
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Atreides, he has to go through the
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Atreides' mortal enemy, the Harkonnens.
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And that makes it look like it's just a
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regular-ass feud and not
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the Emperor murdering and
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ending the house. Right.
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Because if he just went out and
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killed everybody, then the rest of the houses
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would have to be like, hey, fuck you!
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You know, like that. Okay. Yeah.
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So there's the politics. Cool. That happened
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in the first scene that is not
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explained anywhere. Right. And I was distracted
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by the guy with the vacuum. Yeah.
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Um...
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So yeah. It was, I mean
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it started off with a plot.
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Yeah. So then we get to Paul.
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Yeah. How do you feel about the McLaughlin
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group? The person?
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Kyle McLaughlin, yeah.
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I'm warm
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to him generally, I guess. Yeah.
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You're a Twin Peaks fan. I like the... First season.
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First season of Twin Peaks. Sure. Second season's
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all...
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But I never watch the new one, the
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reboot or whatever. Sure. I think
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people have mentioned that.
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Um... Yeah, I don't know.
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Here's the problem. Okay.
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I've probably seen him in a number of things.
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Sure. I don't remember.
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But I don't know. I don't have a negative
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feeling about him. I will say he was sweaty
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as hell.
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Not like metaphorically in terms of like
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trying too hard. He was just
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sweaty. Yeah. And I
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noticed, I noticed this.
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I know he's going to a desert
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planet later. Sure. He's already sweaty
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as shit. He's sweaty in advance. Yes. Yeah.
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I'm worried for his like internal
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body temperature regulation. Like
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he is just like laying inside
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in House Atreides sweating
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his ass off. This doesn't bode
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well. Yeah. Every time he has a
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vision, he gets real sweaty.
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Yeah, that's David Lynch's way of letting
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you know. This is a stressful vision.
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This isn't like a regular ass dream.
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He's a young man. Um...
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I wouldn't say his
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delivery of lines is
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good. It's his first movie.
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Sure. Can you believe that? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's not terrible.
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I mean I couldn't do better. No. I'm not a good actor.
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But um... Yeah, no.
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I thought he was fine.
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I get it. Put upon air
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to a family house and then there's
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these weird witches who have been trying
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to breed him and prophesy him.
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It's a lot of stress.
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A lot of stress. Yeah.
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So the bald lady, that's
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the Bene Gesserit mother. Right.
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She's the head Bene Gesserit. And there's sort
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of an implication that there's a lot of them, but
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you only see one. Right.
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They're everywhere. Right. Yeah.
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But you only see one. Right. They are
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in essence
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the secret society that runs everything.
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Well, here's my problem with that.
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Yeah. They stick out.
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Little bit. If you're a secret society
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I could pick that Bene Gesserit
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out of a crowd. It does feel
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It's not very secret. a little
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opulent for a
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secret society. Yeah, if you're trying to be
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a secret society and everybody is
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keenly aware of who you are based on
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you being bald
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and wearing ridiculous outfits
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I think you're fucking up the
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secrecy part. Yeah, yeah. Not only that
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but it's widely known
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that their abilities are to
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tell you what to do and you have to do it.
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They have like a
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The voice. Okay. Yeah. So the voice
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I did notice that happened a couple times.
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Yeah, like that.
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So the voice is the way
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they can control people. So let me just
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so I'm keeping this
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in line. We've got
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the tank people who can fold
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space and also can see the future.
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Yeah. Spice. That allows them to do that.
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Okay. I mean spice allows everybody to do
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everything. Exactly. Right. Which is the problem.
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That is the problem. So you've got the
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Bene Gesserit ladies who can tell you
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what to do. Yeah. Need spice.
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Right. So these are the powers we have so far.
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You got it. Right. Yeah. But the worm
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not worm. Tank people
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can't tell you what to do.
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No. And the Bene Gesserit can't
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fold space. Right.
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Cool. Yeah. But
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if you piss off any one of
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them then say you piss off the
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the worm people.
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Right. Not worms. Exactly.
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They can just be like well we're never flying
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anybody to your planet again. So they
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effectively can isolate you
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and end your connection to the entire
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universe. Right. So
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no inner space travel is
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possible except them? Exactly.
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And no
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and them not without
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the spice and so on and so on and so on.
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So again the spice is everything.
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Well this makes more sense
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now. Right. This makes sense
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that this is why the spice is
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important because it
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mutates people into being able
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to travel between planets. Yeah.
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That's pretty important right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay. Alright.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Like imagine only one
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you know one country has planes.
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You know it's like
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they're going to have the ability to tell
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everybody what to do if you want to fly. Right.
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I mean it gets sort of like gasoline.
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Right. Right. It's a very thinly
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Except it also gives super powers
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and hallucinations. But I guess
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if you sniff enough gas put your head in a
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big tank of gas you'll probably see some stuff.
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I had not considered that he had
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not only based this on
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oil but also sniffed
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a lot of oil as a way of
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eh that's entirely possible. It was a different time
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back then. You had to get your kicks.
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Oh the sixties. Yeah.
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A lot of people experimenting with new ways to
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catch a buzz.
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I want to say
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that that's silly but I also want to say
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I remember a lot of books from the sixties
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that were like we huffed everything.
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Yeah. Fair enough.
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Uh speaking of huffing
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the spice is a drug. Yeah. Alright.
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Except it looked like the only time I saw
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anybody take it
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was when Paul took it and it was just like
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in a little pellet. Yeah. Right.
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It was in the
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space food. Uh huh.
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Always great to see space food
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in like a little pellet form.
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Made me very excited for the future.
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Yeah.
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Nobody really eats. They just uh
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I'm fine with that. Yeah. That's fair.
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Those days will be great once we have food pellets.
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I uh I'm not against it.
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But yeah so the spice.
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Uh because Paul
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is uh genetically
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uh you know
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bread essentially. When he
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takes the spice he becomes
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uh able to see the future.
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But he seemed to have already been doing that.
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Kinda. Yeah. Because
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if you can see the future you can also see the
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past. Don't worry about it. Right. But you don't need
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he didn't need the spice to do that.
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No. He just seemed to do a bit more of it.
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Right. Once he took it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. The spice I mean
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Sort of a amplifier.
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Right. Eh. Not really.
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So that leads me to think that these people
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who turn into the tank people could probably
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travel through space without the spice.
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They don't need that shit.
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It's just amplifying this. Or maybe they could make it halfway.
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That's kind of more the idea.
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I mean honestly it is
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more like they have you know when they're kids
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they show the signs
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of the force. But then you gotta
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still cram them full of spice. Yeah.
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You know and turn them into weird monsters.
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Right. So. There's something
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else that we haven't even brought up. What's that?
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In the beginning of this. And that is
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when you got Paul in the room
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at the beginning before the
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weird S.H.I.E.L.D. fight. Sure.
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Comes in to the room. We got
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a trio of people. We got
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Patrick Stewart. Yeah. Crazy.
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Yep. We got Dean Stockwell.
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We got the Stockwell of Deans. Crazy.
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Yep. And then you got weirdo computer guy
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which you had to explain to me. Yeah.
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Is. What was it called? Mentat.
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Okay. Yeah.
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All I see
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is a crazy looking dude with
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uh. Super huge eyebrows.
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Great juice lips. Yep.
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What is going on?
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And they don't explain it. It's just
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what is happening. Fine.
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Eventually we find out
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sort of. Yeah. That they need to
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drink this juice in order to
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give them brain powers. Yeah. Or something.
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Saffu juice. Right. Yeah.
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And again you were telling me
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this is something that they have to do from birth or
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something like that. It's like an amplifier.
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They're created as super computers
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cause there's no computers. Yep. Or anything.
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Fine. Yep.
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That's a good way of treating that.
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Here's my problem. Yeah.
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The eyebrows. Yeah.
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They don't need that.
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Why not? Is this in the book?
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The eyebrows? I mean.
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Does the juice make your eyebrows go crazy?
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No. Because all of the people
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who drank the juice had crazy eyebrows. They did.
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And everybody else didn't.
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Eyebrow trimming does exist
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in this universe. No.
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As far as I'm aware in the books
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thoroughly capable of trimming your own eyebrows.
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So there's something a side
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product of drinking the juice and
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becoming one of these human computers that you
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see through the
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bullshit that everyone else doesn't.
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Everyone else wants short eyebrows. Right.
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But you want long ones. Yeah. Because of the
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There's some kind of advantage to it.
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Well I mean if you are that much of
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a super computer then you
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must know that there's like an aerodynamic
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quality to having giant eyebrows. I would
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argue it's the exact opposite. If you try and swim
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it's gonna give you some drag. Alright.
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It's gonna hold you back.
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So it's more of a falling thing.
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So then they
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it's like a feather. You know they just kind of
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whoo.
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I mean I don't know if it would have that effect but
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they're working towards it.
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It seems like they're working.
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If they get a little spice. Boom.
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Amplify that up. Now everybody floats.
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Spice brows.
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So anyway I was very distracted
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by a number of these aesthetic choices.
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Right.
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I figured must have some reason
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like the lips one makes
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sense with the context of this juice
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staining your lips or whatever.
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Right right right. I don't
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fully understand why that has anything to do with
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them being a brain computer but whatever. Yeah.
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The eyebrows apparently not. There's nothing
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in the book. Nope. Okay. Don't need eyebrows.
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Cool. No eyebrow powers
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are involved in the making of
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Mentats. Good. Good.
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Good stuff. You can look like anything. There's
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guys who are later on
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as a warrior. Looks just like a regular guy.
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I would say trim that shit then if I were
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there.
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You look crazy. Yeah I think
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David Lynch is
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one of the ways that he's trying to deal with I guess
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not being able to explain half of what he's trying
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to is just like give everybody
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a specific look.
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You know like when Patrick Stewart walks in
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you can tell that Gurney Halleck is
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a balladeer because he just walks in
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carrying his gigantic guitar.
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I didn't know that. I thought
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because it doesn't come back up. Because it could have been anything.
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It doesn't come back up. Nope. And he just said
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I'm packing this. Yep.
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The end. I did not know that he was a balladeer.
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Yep he's a balladeer my man.
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I don't even know what that means. It means he sings
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songs but also
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he's a warrior. Right.
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I did get that. Yeah. Because he does fight
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a bit later on. Fights later on. Yeah. So he was
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raised on Geety Prime.
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Tortured. No good.
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Yep. Now he joins the Atreides.
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Kicks ass. Because he hates the Harkonnens. You got it. Right.
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In the middle we have
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Dr. Yue
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Dean Stockwell. Dean Stockwell.
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From
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Quantum Leap. Yeah.
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Absolutely. He is
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a doctor trained by the
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Imperium. Given imperial
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conditioning so that he will never break
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his word. Hence the red diamond on
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his forehead. Exactly. He will never betray
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whomever he works for because if you're
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a doctor that's like a huge point of weakness
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for your inner circle. Mhm.
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You know. Great place to assassinate him.
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HIPPA laws. You know what I'm saying? Totally.
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Totally. So naturally it is both
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impossible and it is the plot.
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Yes. He is the traitor.
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Mhm. Not a lot of tension around
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that subplot of
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who's the traitor. Nope.
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Because pretty early on
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Baron Harkonnen says like we got a traitor.
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We got a traitor. And then
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there's not a lot of like who could it
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be. There's not a lot of intrigue. Nope.
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I guess you don't have time. Maybe.
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There's a lot of story to tell. Yeah. But yeah
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then it turns out to be Doctor Yui. And
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uh. When it
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was I was not
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I didn't feel like a
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huh.
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I didn't feel
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a betrayal. It was him.
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Nope. Nope. None of that. No. There wasn't like
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a big reveal to me. I was like ah
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that was him. I was almost even
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in the movie like Baron going uh
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we have a traitor. And then it cuts
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to him like stabbing you. And you're like yeah
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it's the traitor. It's Doctor Yui. I feel like there were
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only a few options in terms of
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characters that had been introduced.
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Could have been.
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Who was your second choice for who
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the traitor could have been? Well my thought was Duncan
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Idaho but that's just because it's a name that
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I know. Right. And I don't
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he didn't play any factor in the movie at all.
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Nope. Nope. So
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I thought like well that would be a way to make him
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relevant in a name I'm aware of.
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Yeah. But no it's not.
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Yeah in the
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the coolest character that
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Paul Idol
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hero worships
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who will eventually later on
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turn out to be recreated
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over and over and over again for thousands and
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thousands of years.
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Reborn as a clone and then
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killed and then reborn as a clone over and over
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and over again. Wow. What a life.
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Because he's so cool.
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He's too cool not to exist. In the movie he's
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just not in it. Doesn't seem to
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play a big role. Nah he shows up and then
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he dies. Just almost immediately.
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Lost him.
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Yep. It's a bummer. So then
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yeah other than
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him I didn't really have a thought of who
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you know what? What?
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My brain didn't even like
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try and solve the mystery.
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Like it was just like
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there's a traitor. Oh next.
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Yeah. Alright. I know
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that the housekeeper lady warned about the
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traitor too and I was like ah yes I'm reminded
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of this plot thread. Right. The shout out
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mapes. What?
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That's her name. The housekeeper. Okay.
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She was the shout out mapes.
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That was her name. Cool. They called her
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the shout out mapes.
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Stop saying that.
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I don't know why. I can't
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not say it. It's just it's such
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an I don't know it's a
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unique combination of syllables.
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So wait we may be ahead of
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ourselves. Where are we in the plot?
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We have just started.
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Right.
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Okay so after
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after we get the Shaddam
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after we get the Paul Atreides dream
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scene then we go to the
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Harkonnen scene where he is going
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like ah I'm evil.
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I'm gross. Yeah.
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And then you see the first
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like real this
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is the most evil man possible
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thing. The heartbeat.
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Oh I thought it was because he was hanging out with Sting.
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Well there's definitely that. How did you like the
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reveal of Sting is in this movie?
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I think I knew it.
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I think I think you know
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there are certain things that you're aware of
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but then you forget you're aware of. Sure.
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And then they happen and you're like ah.
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And I think that's kind of how I felt with Sting.
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Because I think I knew he was in this. Yeah.
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And then it didn't really surprise me that much
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and I thought look at that guy.
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He's young.
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That was
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when so 84
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in Sting's discography.
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In Sting years. What had he
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just done?
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Oh boy. I think he had
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I mean the police existed. I think he had just left
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the police. Whoa. Just quit the force.
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I want to say it was either that
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or I'm making that up.
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But I feel like that was
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Fuck y'all I'm going solo.
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Man I want to say that was. Fuck me.
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I thought he was fine. Yeah. Didn't factor
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all that much into the story
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I guess until he has a duel with Paul
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at the end but.
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I will kill him. Right.
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Also doesn't deliver
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The way he walks out
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in the introduction. Cocky.
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I mean the man is wearing nothing
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but a cod piece emerging from a steam
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bath. True.
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You've got no opinion on Sting.
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Just being like that's how I'm doing this. But he looks good.
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He looks young. Yes. I'm used to
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him as kind of a more old man.
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So it was interesting
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I don't care. I don't know anything about this character.
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Just a guy coming out of a steam bath.
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Alright. But to your point about the heart
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plugs. Yes. Great idea for
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a dictator. Yeah. If
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you have a somewhat limited
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population. I don't know if
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that works at scale. Yeah.
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But since there are only about
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ten people that we see
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around him. Sure. Makes sense to have
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heart plugs on all of them.
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Yeah I mean it is
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based upon the number of people whose heart
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plugs he just rips out all the time
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probably wise to limit the number of people
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around him at any given point in time.
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The more there are around him
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the more heart plugs he's going to pull out. Right.
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And the less chance you have of being successful when you
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attempt to pull out someone's heart plug.
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Absolutely. So I've pulled up
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Sting's discography. Yes.
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So we had
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1984
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What the fuck?
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Okay. Hold on. Hold on.
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I think this is only his solo
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discography. Yeah.
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A bit limited. Oh Dream
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of the Blue Turtles. That album comes out in
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1985. Oh yeah. That was his first solo album.
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So yeah it looks like
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it was just when he had gone solo. Yeah.
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I think that was right around the time.
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Yeah. Every breath
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you take with the police was 83.
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Wow. So he's on top of the world.
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He is literally on top of the world. Yeah.
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He's about to star in a blockbuster movie.
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One of the biggest sci-fi movies
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to date. The biggest budget
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that you can have. In the few years leading
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up to this. Yeah. He has had
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number one hits
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with the police. Don't stand so
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close to me. Every little thing she does
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is magic. And every breath you take.
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Huge
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Huge worldwide global
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superstar. Big get to be
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in this movie at this point.
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Yep. Crazy.
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Yeah. Emerges
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with a codpiece from a steam
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fan. Sure.
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Absolutely. I think the Baron
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is great. I really
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really like the portrayal of him
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as like this screaming
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weirdo. Disgusting groso.
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Yeah. I think
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in the new movies
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the Dennis Villanueve movies
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it's a Skarsgard. Which I haven't
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seen. No. We might do those. Right.
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It's a Skarsgard. He's great.
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He's very menacing and he's
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terrifying. And he does the Skarsgard
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thing. Right. But this guy
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is more nuts.
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He's more like pure absolute
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insane nuts.
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Just bouncing off the walls. It's a little
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over the top. But I mean
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I guess that's kind of what you gotta do when
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you're this kind of a character.
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And you're grotesque and you're evil
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and you float for some reason.
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Yep. I
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do think it might be tough to play down the
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middle. Yeah.
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Might be a little tough to be understated
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in that kind of a role.
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Yeah. He's fine. You're supposed to
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not like him so I didn't like him.
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We're gonna put you in the blueberry
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suit from Willy Wonka
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and expect you to be the heavy
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of this movie. It's tough.
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It's tough to do. I did not take
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many notes. I'm looking over my notes here.
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You wanna hear
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some of my notes? Yeah. Let's do it. This movie
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killed Toto. That is true.
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We haven't even talked about Toto.
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Toto doing the soundtrack. Toto
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and Sting both at the top
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of their game at this exact
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moment. Some of the stuff we've already covered.
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A lot of crazy eyebrows. Yep. Paul's so sweaty.
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Paul's very sweaty.
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I noted that in
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Atreides' house, still
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hard wood. Yeah. Hard wood
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still in style. I like that. Do you know what's crazy?
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What's that? That's a water planet.
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So they have treated this wood so
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well that it survives a water planet.
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That seems like the wrong choice. Yeah.
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Totally. Caladan? Yeah. Crazy.
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The last note I took before I stopped taking
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notes. This should give you an
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indication of how early I stopped taking notes.
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Paul's mom's hair looks like
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Dove chocolate.
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That's a good way of describing it. It's like a heart made
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of Dove chocolate. Yeah. Until it didn't.
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So yeah, Paul's mom. Yeah. She's
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a Bene Gesserit. But she's
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not bald. But she's not bald. Cause her
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hair looks like Dove chocolate. Right.
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She is not yet a reverend mother.
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Whenever we meet her and
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Duke Leto.
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Duke Leto, a
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great not Chris Chris
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Sofferson character. Someone who
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plagued me. I swore
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that I knew who this guy was.
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I did not know who he was.
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You're getting something around here. Yeah.
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I appreciated that you brought it up
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and you're like, oh he's in das
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boot. Right. Like, yep. I don't think
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I've seen. Oh he's in Twin Peaks Firewalk with me.
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That's where I know him from. Yeah.
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Oh wait, he played a woodsman.
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Nope, don't know him from that. No, I don't think so.
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But yeah, he was intense.
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He had a quiet intensity
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to himself. Made an impact with his role.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good on you. Yep.
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He dies almost immediately. Sure, pretty early.
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Yep. So that's the. So wait,
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before he dies. Sure. There's an
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attempt on Paul's life. Right.
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Which I thought, this is, but they've already
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gotten to Arrakis by this point. Right.
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So they arrive at Arrakis. They're
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taking over for the Harkonnens. Yes.
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And there's obviously the traitor.
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So someone is trying to kill him. Right.
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There's sabotage devices that are too easily found
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apparently. Yes. To quote the guy with the crazy
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eyebrows. Yep. And so
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they have a fucking
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device that they use to try
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and kill Paul. Right. That is
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a flying syringe. Yep.
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That makes a lot of noise. Tons of noise.
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And can only respond to
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movement. It's too dark.
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But it's not. Nope.
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Not even a little bit. It's a well lit room. Yep.
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I thought this was a bad
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assassination strategy. Oh yeah,
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terrible. I would have gone with a different one.
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It is huge. Yeah.
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It's so big. The
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hunter seeker
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is supposed to be this super
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terrifying
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like, it's like a drone that murders
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people but it's a needle. Right.
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And in the movie it is a
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I mean a
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massive
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dildo sized thing.
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And seems to
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move slowly until it doesn't. Yep.
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Makes a lot of noise so you're
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alerted of its presence.
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And is like the
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T-Rex in Jurassic Park. Yep.
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If you don't move it can't see you. Stay perfectly still.
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Alright. And then the shoutout
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may have opened the door. Who? Yep, exactly.
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Who? The shoutout may have.
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Paul
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grabs it super speed. Yes.
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Does that whole thing.
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But we haven't even talked
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about the most important aspect
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of this movie for David Lynch.
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Which is the weirding
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way.
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This comes into play more
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later I think. Right.
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So.
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Yeah. It's weird. Yeah.
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I don't fully. I mean
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it's just yelling. Right.
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Why don't you lay this out.
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Right. So in the
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books the weirding way
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is basically just how the Ben and Jezeret
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fight. Those words do exist. Right. Okay.
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The Ben and Jezeret are
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not just super powerful mental
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secret condition
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people. They also are space ninjas.
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So they can super fight.
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On top of everything.
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The Ben and Jezeret are. Yes.
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The bald ladies. You got it. But they don't
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teach other people how to do this.
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Jessica
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has not only
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given birth to a son when she was
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supposed to give birth to a daughter. But she's
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trained Leto's troops in the
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weirding way. So now they're the
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strongest best fighters in the world.
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In the universe.
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Et cetera. Which she wasn't supposed
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to do. She wasn't supposed to do.
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Because the emperor has the strongest
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super troops. The Sardaukar.
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Oh. The Sardaukar. So that
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is why the emperor wants to kill
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Atreides in the first place.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. I didn't
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get that from the movie. Nope.
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So
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the Harkonnens take
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them out pretty easily for
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that. Right. Which is the
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next part. The Harkonnens
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get Sardaukar from
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the emperor to help kill the
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Atreides. Right. But
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Atreides should be stronger. Didn't need it.
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They just totally wiped him out.
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Because it was a sneak attack. Uh huh. You don't need to
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have super, you know. I guess.
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Yeah. You stab people. So
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okay. Yeah. So that makes sense.
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Right. Okay. So then we get to
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finally Arrakis. Then
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we get to Leto taking
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people out. Looking at the spice. And we finally get
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to see our giant sand worms.
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Right. Max von Sydow
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as one of the
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locals. Yeah.
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Oh shit. Takes people out. Yeah.
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And takes them out
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in like a little bit of a
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tiny space hover craft
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thing. It's an ornithopter.
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It's basically, in the book it's a dragonfly
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looking ship. But because
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that would be kind of silly.
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Instead it's a weird square
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that floats. I don't think that they were too
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worried about things being looking silly
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in the movie. I think they were
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warm to that. Yeah.
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So they're flying around. They're going to see the spice
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production. Yes. And they go and they see this one
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place. Yep. And oh no worms coming.
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Yep. Oh no. How do we know
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which guy is the good guy and which guy is the bad
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guy? The Harkonnen
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they go, ah we just want the
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spice. You can sacrifice
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your lives if must be. Yeah.
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The good guy Leto goes,
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we must save the people.
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And then they proceed to save
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two? Yeah. I mean it's like
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they say there's 26 people
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in the spice mining facility.
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Yep. They have no room
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for all of those people. No. They end up bringing
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two people on board and the rest of them must
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have gotten eaten by the big worm. Yeah you can fit as many
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as you can fit. The worm is big.
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It's very big. Right. It eats the whole
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thing. Yep. Yep.
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I mean
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how do you feel about the worm? It's kind of iconic.
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Yeah.
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I
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guess. I mean like
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here's the thing. Yeah.
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Tell me about your worm thoughts.
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Um. This planet sucks.
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Sure. You don't like deserts.
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Period. No deserts for Dan.
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And then we're adding a giant worm
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a bunch of giant worms apparently
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that are going to eat you and wreck
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shit. I don't want to be a part of this planet.
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I don't care about spice. Fuck this
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planet. You say the
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Atreides are on a water planet? Yep.
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Get me over there. Yeah they're doing great on
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the water planet too. And you know what
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I don't need spice because I don't want to leave the planet.
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Right. This is fine. Yeah.
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So shut it down.
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I don't give a fuck. It would be nice.
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I think that they showed the worm
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a little early. Mhm. I had a
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pretty clear visual on the worm.
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Wasn't really all that scary.
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Um. I thought
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that the ability of the worm
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to get stuck by rocks
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was a little bit uh
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made it a little bit less scary.
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Sure. As a presence. Sure.
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People are able to
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evade them
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at some points. Yeah.
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So I don't know but it was big. Yeah.
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I don't give a shit. Yeah.
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I get it. I'm more scared of a shark
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probably. Really? Yeah.
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Man that's interesting. The worm has
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captured the imagination of
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generations. Including Alex
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Goddamn Joe. Mhm.
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And for you it's like eh
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it's a shit worm. So I understand that
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the worm is spice. Sure.
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What does that mean? The worm is
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okay so
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the life cycle
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of the worm we find out
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in the later books is
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uh sand trout
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they're exactly
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what they look like. They sound like yeah
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they're sand fish. Mhm. Alright. They
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find the spice. Then they
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eat the spice because they have to kill the spice.
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Then they turn into little worms.
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Alright. Mhm. Then the worms
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grow up. Come big. Mhm.
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Etcetera. Then they die, melt into
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spice and the
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cycle continues. So the spice
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is dead worms. Yeah.
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About that. What's the water of life?
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That is a dead baby worm. So
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to get the water of life they get the
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baby worm and then they drown it.
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So this is all about the worms. All
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about the worms. Every this whole
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fucking society. Everything. Is
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based on worms. Yep. They don't
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know it. They don't know it's just worms.
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It's just worms. Right and here's the craziest
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part. It's been like that for like a
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thousand like thousands of years. Mhm.
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And nobody has ever been like hey
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what's up with these worms?
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Mhm. I mean they're big. Yeah
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sure. And
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here's the other problem. Yeah. What's your other problem?
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They're so
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uncontrollable except they're easily
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controlled. Totally easily controlled.
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Very easy to control. Seems like over
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thousands of years someone
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would have put the pieces together
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and been like wait the spice
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is dead worms. Let's
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farm these worms. Right.
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No one does that. No. Because
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they can't. And that is because
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of the Fremen. That is the people
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who live in the deep desert. Right.
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The blue eyes. Yes. With the blue
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eyes. They are spice addicted people.
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They are of the desert.
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And they kill anybody who tries to get close and study
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the worms. Okay. Yeah.
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I guess that makes sense. Right. Except
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You've solved this one. Except you've got an
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entire civilization that spans a
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galaxy. But you're like man
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these desert
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people can't fuck with them.
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Well they know the
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deserts. They know the
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topography. Yeah. And they got
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giant worms I guess. But they don't.
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Ah but they do. But they don't.
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They can ride the worms. It seemed
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like a big deal later when Paul rides the
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worm though. Yeah no they ride worms
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all the time. Okay. It's just a
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regular thing they do. They just love riding worms.
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Okay. That didn't come through. Yeah
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yeah. It's not hard. The reason that
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it's exciting is because they taught an
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outsider Paul how to ride the
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worms. Right. You don't teach an outsider how to
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ride a worm. Okay. Because the worm is
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God. See to me
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experiencing it in the context of the movie
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I thought
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these worms are
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revered by the Fremen
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and shit and it was
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a big deal that Paul was like I'm
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going to ride one. Yeah.
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But like because no one ever had
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or something like that. Right right right.
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You know like in Avatar
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you know
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I'm going to ride this beast. Sure.
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No one's ridden. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
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To know
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that they all just casually ride worms
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is a little bit disappointing. It is
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it is a little bit like if
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God was also a greyhound bus.
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You know like
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you worship it but also you take it to
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the south every you know
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every six months. Yeah. You get
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on the worm and you ride south.
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So. Yeah.
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That's a bummer. Yeah. The worms are
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fine. The worms are fine. But
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the Fremen alright
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they are the people
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who are living in the deep desert
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they are the people who have been given
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the religion from
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Bene Gesserit. If that makes sense.
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They don't really talk about the
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whole thing as far as the
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cosmology behind it.
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You know we hear in the movie you know
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like oh he's the chosen one etc.
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Is he? Prophesied.
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Is he the one? The whole thing. Yeah.
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Though they ask that a lot. Right.
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Now the Bene Gesserit
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have been
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doing this thing called the
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Missionaria Protectiva.
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Where they send people out into
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any place they want to go
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before they send to Bene Gesserit.
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And those people kind of
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go throughout the population
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and they give them a religion.
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They give them the same kind of constant
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religion that says you should really be nice
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to the Bene Gesserit. They're super awesome.
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Take care of them. Worship them
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and give them everything. And then someday
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there will be the Messiah.
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Right? So the religion is what
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they use to
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kind of protect themselves
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throughout the universe. They can go wherever they want.
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The Bene Gesserit. Right.
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But also they
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are creating what they
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would kind of what we would kind of call
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a super being if you will.
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Because they're trying to breed
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the Letos. Yes.
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They're breeding these great houses
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because again it's very important
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to know that aristocrats are the only human
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beings that count.
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But in this case they do have super powers.
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Exactly. So
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it's not all just like a societal
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construct or whatever. There is super
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powers going on. Right. So
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I mean they're wrong. Yeah.
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But they're not as wrong. No.
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I mean yeah. Yeah. You got it.
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But so they breed this whole thing
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and their breeding program is
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coming down to this very last two people.
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The people that can't ever interbreed
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the Harkonnen and the Atreides.
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Jessica is
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the daughter of Baron Harkonnen.
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Secretly. They
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don't know about that.
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She has a kid.
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Why do these people have names like Jessica and
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Paul? You are telling. You are asking me.
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It's ridiculous. I know. Anyway. Sorry.
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Yeah. There's Vladimir
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and then yeah.
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So Jessica
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is then going
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to have a kid with Leto.
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Leto is supposed to have a daughter
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and then the daughter is supposed
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to have a kid with Feyd-Rotha
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who is Baron Harkonnen's
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yeah. Sting. Right. And then
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that kid will be the man
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who becomes the Kwisatz Haderach
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and who can see into the past.
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Right. And the future. Etc. Right.
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He can cross space and time.
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But Jessica
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falls in love with Leto. Right.
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Right. And Leto really
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wants a son because
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Leto is that kind of dude. But that's how
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they were back then. That's how they were
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back then. Give me a male
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heir. In the year 11,000.
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That's exactly how they were.
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This is in the future. Yeah. Way in the future. I should
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have known. I guess I did kind of know
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because you told me that they had computers and then they took
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over and then they had to destroy all the computers
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and that's why. Right. Everything is
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sort of
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faux old.
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Yeah. Sort of steampunk
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esque. Yeah. A little bit like that.
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Um. Where was I?
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Yeah. So instead of giving them
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the daughter. Yeah. Paul is born
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and he is
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not supposed to be the guy.
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Mhm. Right. Um.
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But turns out he is
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the guy. Mhm. Or he's one of the guys.
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He's a guy. He's just a guy. Yeah.
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He has visions where he gets sweaty. Mhm.
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And then he eats some food. Yep.
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And has more visions and then decides that he's
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going to be called Muad'Dib.
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Which apparently means the mouse on the
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sunset or some fucking shit.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. Alright.
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So.
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So after this happens.
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Alright. They. Leto. Paul.
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Meet the Fremen. We find out Leto is the good
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guy. Immediately after that we murder
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Leto. Doctor Yu. Gotta get it.
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Gotta get him out of here. We know that the good guy is dead
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so we can move on and uh. But Dean
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Stockwell is only
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doing this partially in order to give him
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a tooth in order to try and kill
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Baron Harkonnen. Right. But that doesn't
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work. Remember the tooth. He remembered the tooth.
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Remember the tooth. And then he accidentally killed Brad Duroph
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instead. Yes. He kills Piter De Vries
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who is a twisted Mentat. Right.
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Crazy eyebrows. A regular Mentat
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but evil. Right.
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I mean.
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Which is weird. Yeah.
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I would have.
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Who cares. Fucking eyebrows. Right.
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Yeah. It's hard to tell
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like giant eyebrows
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and all that would have been like a marker
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of him being a twisted Mentat.
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Right. But they both have. Yeah.
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They all have the eyebrows. Yeah. So it's not a
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signifier. No. Yeah.
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Anyway. Um.
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So yeah. The tooth. He remembers
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the tooth. Yep. Remembers the tooth. Leto dies.
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Kills Piter. And then uh.
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Harkonnen sends off the
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supposedly dead bodies
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of Jessica and Paul
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to die and be eaten by a worm.
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Yes. Um.
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Fun. Right. And that's about where the
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first movie ends. And that's about where the first movie
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ends. Yes. Yeah. Essentially.
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So then we rush through. You've got through a bit
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of political intrigue. A bit
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of bullshit. Huh. Um.
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Whatever. It made sense
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as a story being broadly
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told. And that. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. And
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as far as like a condensing
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uh political
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intrigue that takes you know 80 pages
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to get through. You don't really need
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that in a movie so much. And you kind of get
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some of the exposition. And then at the end
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you get dead Leto. So you've got like a
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movie. All of that stuff
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is fine.
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Yeah. The rest
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of it is confusing. Now we get
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to the rest of it. Well but even the stuff
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that is the rest of it that was in the
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beginning of the movie is
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not well
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explained. Like even just on a
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very basic level. A guy in a tank
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like that's at the beginning of the movie. Right. Right.
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It's not well explained. No. He's just a guy in a tank in the
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It seems to hold a lot of sway.
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Yep. Um. He can tell
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the emperor what to do. Like a dick
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too. He's even like
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hey shut up asshole.
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And they use exposition
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uh just liberally.
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But it doesn't help.
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No. Nope.
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Inexplicably. Yeah.
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Now we've got Paul and Jessica in the
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desert. They are
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Paul is officially
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overloaded with spice. Right. He gets
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too much spice. Has his vision.
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Realizes this whole thing
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and can see the future. Well
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he took spice. Had more
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of a vision. Yep. Then
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but that was earlier. Right. And now they
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have gone on this ship. They commandeered the ship.
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Took back over it.
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It crash landed. Yep. They ran away from
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the worm cause they
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can't come onto rocks. Right.
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So they went over there and then because he's out in the
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environment he's getting overloaded with spice.
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Cause spice is everywhere. Spice is everywhere.
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Dead worms are everywhere. Everywhere.
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I mean it's the desert. It's the dead worms.
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So that's spice. So that's what's happening.
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He's having these visions. Right.
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So now that he's having the spice visions
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he is actually seeing the future.
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And he gets like a
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you know he gets the cloudy picture of what's
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going to happen. Finds out
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that he's going to be Muad'Dib.
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The Mahdi.
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The Lisan al Ghaib.
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Etc. Etc. A lot of names.
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Yeah all the names for whatever.
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All based on a religion that the
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Bene Gesserit planted in advance
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to make it so when Paul shows
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up they're all super nice to him.
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And they you know treat him all
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cool. But it seemed like they were
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super nice to him because his mom
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can kick some ass.
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There's definitely that. That seemed to be
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why they ended up being nice to him.
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The Fremen at first. Right.
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When they first meet the Fremen
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Paul runs and hides.
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And then Jessica shows off that the
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Bene Gesserit are space ninjas.
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And then Stilgar who's the guy
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who's the leader of Siege Tabor
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he's like holy shit
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teach us all how to do this fighting.
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Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. And that seems to be
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why they're nice to him. Not the religious stuff.
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No not really. But later on
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when Paul becomes the guy.
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Here's the point that I would make on
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that front. Sure. So when
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they meet the Fremen
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folk and then they're like we'll give
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your mom kicks ass
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teach us and you're all cool.
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He's like what is your name? What
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will your name be? And Paul
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is like what is the name
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for a mouse, the sun,
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whatever the fuck. And he's like we call
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that Muad'Dib. Yeah. And he's like
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then I will be Muad'Dib. And there isn't
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like a feeling of
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like holy shit. Right.
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That's his name. Right.
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There isn't like a feeling of this is what a
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prophecy has been fulfilled
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or anything. Right. It's just like that shall be
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your name. Hey that's your name. And everybody's like oh
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okay we're moving on. Yeah. Yeah. So the
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prophecy is
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oh boy.
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Essentially
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Paul is going to
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be the
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you know guy who leads the way
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essentially. Right. That's the
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translation. And then
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the Muad'Dib thing. It's kind of
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a joke to you know he's a little mouse.
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He's a little. He's not a real
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Fremen. He's not a big guy. He's
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the Muad'Dib. But the
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constellation is known as the one who lights
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the way kind of thing. So it's like
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oh it's actually the sign
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that this is the guy.
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Not everybody believes yet but it's like oh
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that's another sign and so on and so on. Didn't feel that
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way. No it doesn't come across. No.
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This is the part of the movie where you don't know what's going on
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ever. Quite a bit. Yeah. Seems to
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take them over real fast. Yep. Takes
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about five minutes.
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Because then they
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have the you can yell at the
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obelisk scene. Which is always great.
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This
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is where you were making a point
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of it being a departure from the books.
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Right. This sort of yell fighting.
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Right right right right. Yeah.
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In the books because
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you have to
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have hand to hand fighting
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and this is
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another underpinning of like
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all of the interactions
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is that because
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the shields protect you
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from being shot by lasers
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not because they protect you
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from being shot but because it will
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turn into a nuclear explosion
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killing everybody everywhere.
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It only makes sense to no longer
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shoot people. Right. And only
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wear the shields. Yeah.
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You either have
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we only use lasers and cut
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everybody in half with lasers all the time
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or we have shields and then we fight
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hand to hand. Yeah.
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Or we yell.
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Or we yell.
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From a distance with weird little neck things
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going
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blah.
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And then there's
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the whole. It's weird. Yeah. And then there's the whole
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he just says his name and he's like oh my name is
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a killing word. Yeah. It's absolutely.
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Can only certain words kill?
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It's not established.
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No. But yeah. Apparently.
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Now it is. Okay.
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Yep. So he takes
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over an insurgency
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basically to kill
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the Harkonnens. Right.
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And that works.
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Yeah. So this is
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the part. This is the part that takes a while
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in the books. That lasts about
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two scenes in the movie. He has an underwritten
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love interest. Yep. Yep. That
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just shows up and then disappears.
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She's really important. Not in the
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movie. Nope. Not even close.
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All of their buddies. The
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Fedeken. Super important.
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Not in the movie.
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He runs back into Patrick
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Stewart. Yeah. And then
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it's over. Then we move on.
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So then we
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get to the final climax. And again
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that is a huge chunk of the book
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that is all just ripped out.
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It does get the. It has the feeling of
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yada yada yada. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then we get to the
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climax. Right. Where Paul
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Atreides. Because he is able
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to end
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Spice. He has got
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the atomics. Each great house
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has ancient
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family atomics that are nuclear
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bombs essentially. And
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because he has them from being
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a duke. He
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points them at the spice fields
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or whatever. And says to the
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universe. If you don't
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fucking deal with me
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I'm going to end Spice forever.
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Because
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and this is the big point of
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the whole fucking thing. This is the
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whole point of Frank Herbert's
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book. Is if you can
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destroy something then you are
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the one who is in control of it. Right.
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And it's like. That is
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said in the movie. A lot.
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It's an exploration of hydraulic despotism.
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So if
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you are the only person who can
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destroy something then you are the only person
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who really has control of it.
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And if that's the thing that the entire universe
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depends on then you are the center
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of the universe. Right.
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You are holding everyone hostage. Right.
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So Paul is both figuratively
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the center of the universe
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metaphorically
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religiously and then actually
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physically literally the center
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of the universe. All of this
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boils down to one person. Right.
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Right. And then he succeeds.
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Yep. That's kind of it.
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Yeah. Yep.
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So.
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There you go.
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End of movie. I found it a little
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anti-climactic.
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And then it rains. Yeah.
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It rains on Arrakis. Yeah.
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So all of that is really established.
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So he's really the Keats Exadarak. All of that is really
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established in a completely different way.
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It has nothing to do with him being
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the reason it rains
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is because the Fremen for
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hundreds of years have been collecting
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water in these
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little areas. Right.
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In the hopes of you know
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turning the planet back into a
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green place. Right. The water of life
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which is dead baby worms. Exactly.
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Uh huh. Yeah.
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And you can't drink that. No.
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Well you can. No no no.
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The water of life is different from the
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water in the sietches.
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Oh boy. The water there is
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yeah don't even worry about it.
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Honestly let's just bail on that
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part. Let's not even
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worry about the sietches because they're not in the
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movie.
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Okay. Yeah. So I
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I don't know I
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there's not a good message I don't
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think that comes
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if you just watch the movie
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and not you know
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little else
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um
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I don't know what the
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I don't know what the overarching
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message is other than like
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hey the Lido's got their revenge.
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Yeah. Yeah. Which is
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kind of like that
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that's the problem is it
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the arc of the story is
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essentially very normal
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it's a very normal story
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of like there's two
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competing houses one is the
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good ones bad the good ones get
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set up by the bad the bad kill the
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people there's a betrayal
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all this da da da there's
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the rightful heir to the good
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side lives comes back
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kills the bad people
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but everything else
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around it is nonsense.
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shit like being
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married with a very
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conventional story
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and it just doesn't meld well.
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the unconventional shit
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as you put it
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is what keeps the
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you know like the actual
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story in the book that Frank Herbert is telling
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is very unconventional
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many things that you've talked about
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and my sort of cultural osmosis
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of Dune. Yeah. And so
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to me it didn't feel
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like this was the story
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that is being told it felt like
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like something and it must just be what
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isn't in the movie it is in the book.
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opposite of what's in the book into the
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movie to make it more like a
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movie. Because probably
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it couldn't be told the other way.
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meaning quite a bit
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of the wronged
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everybody is against me
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I you know
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go into the desert I have
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my 40 days 40 nights tribulations
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I return and I destroy the
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infidels you know. I do that whole
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thing. Right.
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I actually ride on top of
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god the worm to
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defeat my enemies right.
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but what if instead
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you have a
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shadowy group of people who
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have orchestrated all of this
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political shit into one moment
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creates you know
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what seems like a righteous
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war but
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because he's too good at it
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he winds up killing more people
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than anyone anywhere
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you say oh these are evil people
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one one millionth
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of the death and murder and
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everything that Paul Atreides
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is responsible for because
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and this is the
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this is the thing that
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is kind of the message that's
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very very difficult if
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you don't have a larger
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you know like five book
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yeah sure
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agency it is
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responsibility because
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Paul is the only person
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who can make a choice
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any choice he makes
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is what the future will be
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the siege to lead the Fremen
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that if he chooses that future
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then he kills the world he
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kills the universe there's nothing he can do
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to stop that he can only
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choose to kill himself
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options right so in the book
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he chooses in the first book
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to kill the universe
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in what way is that the good guy
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well I mean
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like there is that
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moment where he's having a nightmare with
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his underwritten love interest
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and he's like
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a genocide of the planet or whatever
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whatever but it didn't seem like he was
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wrestling with this too much it didn't
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seem like it was resolved right
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obviously I think as he becomes
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like this guy who's
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basically carrying out
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an insurgency
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against the spice trade
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he does
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become like
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less of a
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like sympathetic
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character
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but not to the point where it ever really fully
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changes in terms of presentation
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of the movie no no and I mean
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it is it is
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interesting in so far
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as you
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see the justification
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for the insurgency you don't just
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see the insurgency right
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you are there you are thinking
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hey if I got fucked over
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like this I would do what
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Paul did I would be an
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insurgent that kind of thing
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there is a justified thing
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for me to be doing so
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the justification that you want
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for the Messiah right you want him
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to be wronged to then go on
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but then if you say that
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he's justified are you then saying
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that the
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murder of everybody is justified
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you know when does that
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stop is he justified in
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killing the Harkonnens and then stopping
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or is he justified in protecting
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himself the only way that he can which is
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running the world well none of it's ethically
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justified but it's justified as
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storytelling you know what I mean
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it's justified plot wise
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yeah
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so you have to
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you have to look at this you know
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people often times give you that
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like oh I'm sick of this Messiah
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shit you know this like white dude
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is coming to save the world kind of thing
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this is the opposite this is white dude
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is coming to kill us all
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right but at the same time that's not in the movie
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no no
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not at all
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so that's why when you get
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such a combination of like
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this is not supposed to be the story
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yeah and then he's trying to put
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like fucking tank
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dudes in there
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I think when I
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finish the
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movie and I
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sit with it for a
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minute I'm left with the feeling
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that I don't think I know more about Dune
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than I did before I
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think I already knew there were worms
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yes I think everything that
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is added to my awareness
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is stuff that you've explained to me
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that was not in the movie
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or was kind of in the movie
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so I don't
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I don't feel more informed I don't feel
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better off good because
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Dan I'm going to
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tell you this there are more
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options for learning more
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about Dune maybe this won't
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be the last episode of Dune Dune
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with Dan maybe we'll be doing
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Dennis's Dune with Dan next time
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I
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don't know there's
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a part of me that thinks
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like this
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could be okay
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ah hold on
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if
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there was an intention
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for this David
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Lynch Dune
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to be part of a series
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or something then I could kind
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of see it being like
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ah it leaves you in this
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place where you think that you've seen
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this story and then the next one
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subverts it entirely yeah
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I could see something along those lines
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but I know that there isn't a second
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one in the there's books
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you know right but there isn't a second
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David Lynch movie not a second David
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Lynch movie yeah and
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it didn't also didn't feel like it was setting
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you up for another one it felt like a
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told story
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and that
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you know I thought
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I found myself underwhelmed
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yeah I mean you know everybody likes
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a good Jesus brought
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the rain now everybody's happy forever
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story ah
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I felt
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bad for Toto
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yep they didn't recover no
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no no
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they
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I guess it's debatable
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is Sting's solo career
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better than his time with the police
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fucking lutely not I think
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some people would disagree with you I understand those
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people and I respect them and I appreciate
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them and they that's fine they can be
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wrong about something and they can still be respected
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was that song a dreamer
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any yeah that song that sings
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so was that about Dune years
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later he's still processing being in Dune
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I think I don't I don't
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think that Dune broke up the police
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but I don't think
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that Dune helped the police stay together
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you don't have any evidence either way at this
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point because Sting was Sting
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was in that I'm trying to be a movie
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star headspace which is
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very difficult to be like let's be a collaborative
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band headspace you know that's
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true so there's a possibility
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that Dune destroyed Toto
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and the police yes
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two giant bands two huge bands
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yep and somehow David Lynch
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made it out okay
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okay yeah in quotes
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yeah he's
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had a pretty important career yeah
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yeah he's had things that have worked
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he's told people about transcendental
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meditation that is true he has talked
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about that a lot been on Infowars
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yes he has so here's the thing
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one of the
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one of the reasons to watch Dune
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is obviously the parallels with
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Alex's vision
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of himself right there is
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a sense that he may think he is Muad'Dib
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he's had a vision
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of that God gave him when he was
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a child about what the future is in his
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place in it kind of Kwisatz Haderaki
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yeah I
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didn't feel like
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based on the presentation of the movie
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that I got a ton of those things
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that's interesting you know what I mean
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like there were little glimpses here
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and there but like not
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a ton of new stuff at least
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yeah were there things that you
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were thinking of that you wanted to point
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out well that was actually the question
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that I was going to have for you is
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were there any things that you
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didn't know Alex had cribbed
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from Dune you know what I mean
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I'm sure there is but I don't
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know about from the movie right no well
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see that's why I think it's a good idea
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to watch the Dennis movies
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because they're a lot better
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they're it's two movies
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it's spread out and it does a much better
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job so
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I think that might be the way to go I think
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I think we might have to I think
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now here's the question I'm going to ask you
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in advance sure
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are there crazy eyebrows in
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the new ones I'm
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going to tell you this
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there are not I'm in
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but oh shit in the most
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not way oh there are the
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most not crazy eyebrows no one has eyebrows
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no eyebrows anywhere shit
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yeah they removed him CGI
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okay no
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um yeah I'm in
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alright we can watch some more Dune
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alright well then
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I don't know how we would end
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you and Dune with Dan I think I think
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we've done David's Dune with Dan
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we've done David's Dune yeah so
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I suppose we've got a
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website Dune Dune
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yeah we're on
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knowledgefight.com and we are not on
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any social media
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but I'm
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I'm not Neo nor Leo
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nor DZX Clark I'm
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just a regular ass professor you are
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what's another
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fun who is that housekeeper
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the shoutout
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vapes that's who you are
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woo yeah woo yeah
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woo and now here comes the
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sex robots Andy in Kansas
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you're on the air thanks for holding
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hello Alex I'm a
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first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your
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work I love you
