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Damn and Jordan, I am sweating

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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today is I have historically tried to

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or I generally have listened to podcasts on Stitcher

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Sure

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As I have mentioned in the past

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Yes

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You know, it was commercial free on these here shows

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Sure, that was your jam

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And I've had to make the shift over to podcasts with commercials

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Oof

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And I have to say, we made a decision when we were doing this show

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that we'd never have ads and all that, what?

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Wrongly, but

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From a financial perspective, incredibly wrongly

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Real big waste on our part

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A lot of missed opportunity

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Huge mistake, way, way terrible idea

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But from the standpoint of somebody who likes podcasts and listens to podcasts

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I listen to it and I'm like, I could not handle the idea that

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the thing that I make is being randomly interrupted by this shit

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Anyway, my bright spot is

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They're usually these brands of like, you know, MeUndies or whatever

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Sure, sure, sure, there's the podcast hits

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Yeah

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And they're things that seem like a lot of the time they're stuff that's like

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this is our main advertising strategy

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We're just gonna funnel money into this

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Right

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Um, I've

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I don't know what the fuck is going on

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but I've heard multiple ad reads by the hosts of podcasts

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for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups

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What?

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Who needs to advertise Reese's Peanut Butter Cups?

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Wait, who has forgotten?

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You're right

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What new generation is unaware?

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Right, it's so bizarre

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That's wasteful

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It's weird enough that they have like those commercials with like Will Arnett talking

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Yeah, no

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Ooh, that's you gotta take a bite out

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But like to have a podcast and have the host do like a live read of like

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Yeah

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You know what, if you're looking for candy

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No

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Reese's Peanut Butter Cup is a good option

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That's fucking disgusting

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You should have to

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There should have to be a rule that if everybody already knows about your product

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your advertising budget has to go to like feeding people

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It should

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That's the, like everybody, like if an Oreo advertises, fuck you

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Get the fuck out, get the fuck out of here, you're Oreo

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But it makes me wonder if Zoomers have lost touch with the Peanut Butter Cup

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They have not

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No?

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I defy a zillennial to not eat a fucking Reese's Peanut Butter Cup

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I feel like the Zoomers are into the Take 5

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They're like a more complicated candy

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That is my new favorite

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Zoomers are into the Take 5

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That's what they are, that's what the kids are at, that's where they are now

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I'll be honest, I like a Take 5

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But I just thought, the first time that I heard it I was like, well that's weird

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And then the second show that I heard it I'm like, why are they doing this?

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What is Reese's, what are they doing?

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It's very stupid

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What exec was at that place going like, oh here's what we do, we need to boost sales

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Old man Reese's, we gotta tap a new market

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It does feel like somebody finally tapped an old man's shoulder and was like, hey man, did you know that podcasts are happening?

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Radio whenever you want!

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If there weren't those commercials with Will Arnett that are on TV

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I would think like, well they just had to scale back their budget

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And this is trying to make the best of a bad situation

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It's part of a whole package

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Integrated, top down, anyway what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is, I recently got to hang out with my friend Matt Elfring

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Old time Chicago buddy who did his show, I Just Want to Talk to Friends

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Which luckily I am the titular in that episode

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So yeah, so we talked about what wound up happening, wound up just doing a lot of catching up on the shit

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You know, oh remember the old days, remember that old stuff

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If you're looking for like information, don't go there

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But if you're looking for having a good time, that's what we were there for

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Just having a bro down about suburban comedy from ten years ago

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Oh, you were that open mic?

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No, no, because here's what I was thinking about, because I was listening to what it happened was

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Right, so Open Mic Eagle and Questlove are talking about that, you know like, 96 to 2000 era

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Like that's when that shit's popping up, you know, D'Angelo, you got Voodoo, you got, oh Erica Badu is winning

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You know, like that, it's like that but in suburban comedy

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Right, talking about various open mics and names of people that even folks who did Chicago comedy don't know

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Hey, remember that time Kyle Kinane was there, that's the tenor of most suburban comedy stories

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I thought you were gonna say Kyle Paris

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No, oh no, those are different stories

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Those are

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Those are different stories

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So, oh god

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Yeah, yeah, but it was a really enjoyable time

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That's wonderful

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Yes

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and we're a little bit late on this upload

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And that's because there was a little bit of a turnabout yesterday, we're recording this in the morning-ish of Friday

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And it's because last night Tucker Carlson, the most important man in the world, released an interview with Alex Jones

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Man, man oh man, I mean, I knew it was coming eventually

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Sure, sure

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Because Alex did say that one of his work vacations was to Maine to visit Tucker

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Right

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And so you would have to be kind of foolish to not think like, they recorded something

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No, they didn't make any content, they forgot

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It's either made up or they did a video of some kind

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Right

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So my instinct was that it was a matter of time before we saw this, but it's still a bummer to see it

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Yeah

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I mean, it's a bummer all around, it sucks for the world because it's just Alex getting more promotion, which sucks

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It sucks for Tucker because he's really debasing himself

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Yeah

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In incredibly embarrassing ways

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Oh, that's not good

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And it's bad for us because quite frankly, as we go through the interview, almost all of it is stuff we've already talked about before

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Like almost all of it is kind of Alex just trying to present himself in a good light

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Yeah

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And it's not as exciting as like, here's what I would put, this is a PR opportunity for Alex

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Sure, sure, sure

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In the same way that going on Rogan is a PR opportunity for him

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Right

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It's the chance to show himself to a wider audience

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And Tucker's audience is full of weirdo crypto racists who are mostly fairly boring

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Already predisposed to liking Alex

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Sure, sure, but they're mostly kind of boring

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Yes

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And so that's the kind of interview you're gonna get

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Whereas on Rogan, you got a bunch of psychonauts and druggies and weirdos

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There is that

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Who listen to his show and so Alex comes in chugging whiskey and being really exciting and like having a showmanship to him

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Whereas in this, he might as well be half asleep, quite frankly

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Brutal

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So it's not the most electrifying interview ever, but that's not to say there aren't things worth discussing

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So we are going to do that here today

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Yeah, you know, I wish that sometimes in life this would be the moment where people like Alex and Tucker would be in Maine

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And then like, you know, just like a discus, some sort of like a Greek mythological event hits them and it's just like fishing show

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And then they just go and they record a fishing show out back, you know

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That makes sense to me

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Well, you remember when Alex was trying to pull the Alex Jones live shit, he had all these like ideas for shows

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Right, you're out there

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Get the painting show going, you and Tucker painting

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In Maine, that's where you do it

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Right

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The outdoors is your canvas

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Yeah, do a painting show, sit around the fireplace, whatever, do something

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Get out of whatever life we all live in and do one of your frontier things, you know

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As far as I'm concerned, there's literally only one exciting thing that happens in the hour and a half that they're recording

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And it's forced

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Amazing

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Alex has brought a bottle of the whiskey that he sells

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Sure

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He sells whiskey, we haven't really talked about that much, he has a brand of whiskey that he sells

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Yeah, I mean that makes sense though

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Yeah

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Like does it

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It doesn't come up all that much in his coverage

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Peyton Manning has a brand of whiskey, who gives a shit, everybody can have it

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Celebrity Booze

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Yeah, everybody has a brand of whiskey

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So he brought it and it's like in a gun case for like traveling

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All right

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And he can't get it open so he has to use a hatchet to open up the gun case

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And it's forced

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It does feel a little bit forced

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Man

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But that's the only exciting thing that happens quite frankly, the rest of it is just two idiots talking shit

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That's so stupid

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Yeah

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And I bet they screwed up that bit too because the bit is good as long as you do it with your wide open face

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Just like, oh you don't even try, like don't even try and open the case at all

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Just like, ah, oh no this case won't open, giant hatchet appears out of nowhere

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I guess I gotta do it, you know like make it up, telegraph that it's a bit

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Well I think that Tucker's producers produced it better than Infowars would have

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No that's fair

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I'll say that

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Okay

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But yeah it still leaves something to be desired

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Brutal

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Anyway we'll get down to business on this but first Jordan let's say hello to some new wonks

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Oh that's a great idea

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So first JB I'm on Knowledge Fight, thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next I first became a policy wonk on episode number 620 and I liked it so nice

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I became a wonk twice. Thank you so much you're now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next the blood of my enemies tastes like a west coast IPA

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you, uh next happy birthday to my favorite turd, Austin you're so dumb

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Thank you so much you're a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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And thank you so much to Mike L. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Roaming Rebecchi.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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So the interview itself starts with a shot of Tucker and Alex out in front of an outhouse

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outside.

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Alright.

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And they're just like, ah, hey, this is the most dangerous man to wear.

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It doesn't seem so bad.

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And then it goes inside.

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There's a little sting, a little cold open.

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Oh.

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I didn't include a clip of that because it was meaningless.

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So like media literacy wise, that would be like the, the shot is to imply that Alex and

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Tucker are shitty.

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I mean there, you know, you could bring all sorts of layers of analysis to it.

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I think you're supposed to look at them as outdoorsy and like maybe they just went hunting

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or something like that.

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Okay.

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All right.

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But whatever the case, we start off with Tucker giving a little bit of a preamble before he

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introduces Alex.

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Sounds good.

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We have a ruling class in the United States defined by its hatreds, not its loves, not

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its hopes, but by its hatreds.

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They hate all kinds of people, large groups of people, the deplorables, the bitter clingers,

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America's entire blue collar population, the unfashionable people.

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They're hated by the people who run our country, but no one is hated more by them than a man

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called Alex Jones.

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No one.

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That was over the top.

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The ruling class of the United States is not defined by their hatreds and I have no idea

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what that would even mean.

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That is just a bizarre sentence.

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Yeah, that is a very bizarre sentence.

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In Tucker's mouth, what he's trying to say is that the man hates white people, but the

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way he's phrasing it just comes out confusing.

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That's really the subtext of what he's saying.

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If you don't imagine that he's speaking in some kind of cryptic code, what could he possibly

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mean?

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This is the point he's starting off the video with and it's bewildering.

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Like, okay, so they're defined by their hatreds, not their loves.

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Or their dreams.

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Or their dreams, or I suppose the type of hot sauce they use.

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I don't get quite where the, okay, but that would be like, oh, a person who hates to lose

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more than they want to win.

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That kind of concept, you know?

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Sure.

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But that doesn't apply to this idea of what's defining you.

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No, and that's why it's confusing.

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Yeah, it's very confusing.

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Yeah.

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Because he's trying to be oblique about his racism.

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Why is it that every time we interact with Tucker there's at least 15 different like

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minor writing things?

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Like there's a writing instructor's job that's available.

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But think about this.

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At the end he says, a man called Alex Jones.

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Is he British now?

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What is this?

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Yeah, there's all of these layers of just bizarre nonsense.

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So anyway, Alex is really censored and it's because he rattles the system.

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Oh, that system.

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Alex Jones is the single most censored man in all American history.

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He was the first media figure in our history to be completely erased and one day deplatformed.

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Alex Jones was deplatformed before it was a common term.

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And not just deplatformed, sued, attacked, they attempted to criminally charge him.

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What did Alex Jones do wrong?

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Alex Jones didn't rape anybody.

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He didn't loot Macy's.

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He didn't burn a police station.

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He didn't invent a fake cryptocurrency and loot pension funds.

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He didn't start a pointless war that made this country poorer and more disorganized.

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He didn't open the southern border.

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No, Alex Jones had opinions that deeply rattled the people who run America.

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In fact, rattled a lot of us.

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And I'll just confess that I first heard of Alex Jones when he questioned the official

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story behind 9-11.

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And I, speaking for myself, was deeply offended by this.

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Oh, man.

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So you can see here already some of the elementary rhetorical tricks Tucker is going to use to

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whitewash Alex for the audience.

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The first is the confusing mixing up of all these consequences Alex has had for his actions.

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Alex was kicked off a bunch of social media platforms, and that was because of his actions.

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You can argue that his actions should be considered acceptable speech and the platforms are wrong

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to kick him off.

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I'm going to be hyper generous and put this consequence in one basket.

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This is a case of corporate censorship seeking to protect advertising revenues by not associating

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with a toxic person.

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I'm going to put that as the most generous version of this, you can say.

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The second thing brought up is that Alex was sued.

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This was the result of his own actions, defaming the families of the victims at Sandy Hook.

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This was not censorship.

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It's a consequence of his behavior.

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And this is a point that's kind of important to understand.

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If that lawsuit resulted in any censorship, that's Alex's own fault.

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If the families wanted to run him out of business so he couldn't hurt anyone the way that he

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hurt them, that's Alex's fault, not censorship.

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It may appear like censorship, but it's a consequence of Alex's actions.

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So this is in another basket, which I'm going to call Alex causing his own problems.

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Then Tucker says that Alex was attacked.

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I have no idea what that means, and it's vague to the point of being meaningless.

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If he's talking about people criticizing Alex and his stupid ideas, then I think this

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is just whining.

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If it's about physical attacks, then I'd be curious what those are, because I can't

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think of anything.

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Alex got yelled at at a chicken restaurant, and it became a week's worth of content

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for his show, complaining about how he's the victim here, so I imagine if Alex was

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actually attacked in any meaningful way, you would never hear the end of it.

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This goes in another basket, that I'm calling meaningless.

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Then Tucker says that they tried to criminally charge Alex.

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I'd like receipts on this, because I don't believe it.

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Also, how do you try to criminally charge somebody?

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Grand juries, baby.

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He was requested for testimony in front of the January 6th committee, but he wasn't

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charged, and there was no chance he would be.

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I would bet just about anything that he's committed some crimes in the context of his

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bankruptcy, but he hasn't been charged with anything.

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The most accurate position here is that Alex has been given an undeserved level of lenience

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in his life.

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So this is another one that goes in the meaningless basket.

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These are the things that the man has done to Alex, but none of it means anything.

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The most concrete, closest to real thing Tucker has is that Alex was kicked off social media,

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and that was a corporate decision made to protect ad revenue.

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The rest of this stuff is either not real, or the direct consequences of bad decisions

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Alex made because he knew that making them at the time would be profitable.

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This is all a load of shit, but it's important for Tucker to present Alex as a victim right

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up front.

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In Tucker's culture, it's important that all of the extremists that he platforms and sanitizes,

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they're just blameless people that the man hates for no reason.

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I was trying to...

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I know you...

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I'm not good at it.

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No, you did your best.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's the mission of this intro, and it's being done poorly, and it's very transparent.

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The second rhetorical technique that Tucker is deploying here is the barrage of culture

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war grievance touchpoints.

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Alex didn't loot a Macy's, he didn't burn down a police station, et cetera.

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These are fun little shout-outs to the stuff that excite Tucker's audience, but ultimately

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are non-sequiturs.

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This has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but Tucker needs to dress up this monologue

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intro a little bit, so you just play to the cheap seats.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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Oh, no, I was just...

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It's so amazing how silly it is when you just listen to the band, because when you juxtapose

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the two of those, there's the part of me that goes, okay, okay, all right.

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But two separate lines of which goes to which, right?

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Okay.

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This is what he did.

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They took him off social media.

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Did he start a war for no reason?

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No.

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Ah, ah, but does that mean if he had started a war, that is the right thing to do?

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Okay, so now we connect the dots.

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Take off social media?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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So now it's like, oh, well, he didn't steal from a Macy's.

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Ah, but if he had stolen from a Macy's, then it's okay to sue him, and then we connect

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the dots.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That's a nice little thing there.

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Well, here's the thing, is that you have one thing which is a barrage of these grievances

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about other people, and Alex didn't do these things, but then the other pile of things

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are consequences that are supposedly being done to Alex, and then the question is being

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asked, what is Alex's crime?

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What did he do?

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And when you don't actually assess, like, no, what did he do?

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Yeah, that's what I would like to know.

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Yeah, when you leave it as this open question that's unknowable.

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The answer to this question is, it's so beyond my abilities as a journalist.

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What even is a crime?

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Right.

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I can't possibly understand why people don't like this pile of human shit.

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Right.

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When you leave it spoken like that, it's like, it's just a very elementary trick that you're

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trying to pull off people.

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So the comparing, he didn't do all this, he didn't burn down, blah, blah, blah.

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You see that kind of tactic a lot.

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There's almost like an obsessive need in folks like Tucker to compare your own people to

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the boogeyman examples that you've made of your enemies.

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And honestly, who cares if Alex didn't burn down a police station?

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That doesn't help me get a handle on his character, and it's not meant to.

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This is meant to remind the audience of who the villain really is.

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I know you've heard bad things about this Alex guy, but don't you remember all those

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terrifying Macy's looters that we yelled about all the time?

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Yeah.

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You know what Tucker is doing here is trying to set as clean a table as possible.

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Because on some level, he knows that the person he's interviewing is a monster, and a lot

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of people know it.

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He has to create an entirely fictional framework of who this guy is in order to even begin

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talking to him.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, good for him.

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You know, and I'm gonna throw this out at you.

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It should be visible to the person saying it, but it never is.

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It never is.

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It should be visible that if one of your comparisons that you're making to make somebody look good

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is, he didn't lie us into the war in Iraq.

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Which you did, Tucker.

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That's kind of the thing.

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I mean, you'd think-

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Granted, Tucker had much less responsibility than the actual architect of the war and stuff,

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but Tucker supported the Iraq war.

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Sure.

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I mean, part of this is just like-

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Go back and watch some of those Crossfire episodes.

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Like, relatively speaking, yeah, most of us are not guilty of that sin.

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Sure.

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I'd say if that's your benchmark for like, hey, until you do this, no one gets consequences.

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I think we're all fucked.

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It is just a way of like, he's not the devil, so criticism is impossible for me.

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Great.

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Grow up.

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It's not a useful argument.

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It's not a worthwhile argument, nor is it a valuable argument to have.

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But if somebody-

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No, it's purely to just make people more open to accepting this person, who they know on

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some level is not cool.

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Right, right, right.

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But it is literally like, okay, fine.

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Until George W. Bush gets consequences for the war in Iraq stuff, then laws aren't real

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and nothing counts.

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And it's like, okay, fine, at least that's consistent.

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At least your benchmark is someone has to receive consequences somewhere.

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If we take that as the standard, that's a little strange, because I would transition

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this slightly outside of the language even of crimes.

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Some of the stuff that Alex is whining about through Tucker, the consequences that he's

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faced, are not legal consequences.

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Right, right, right, right.

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They are not the things that happen because of crimes.

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They are the things that happen because you're a fucking asshole.

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And I think a lot of people could do a pretty decent job of filling Tucker in on why Alex

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is an asshole.

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Did he steal from Macy's?

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No, and yet sometimes when he's outside, people don't like him very much.

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Right.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, all right.

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So Tucker brought up there in the last clip that he resented Alex's talk about 9-11.

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Sure.

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So he gets into that feeling a little bit more here.

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Okay.

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It's very fast, that I first heard of Alex Jones when he questioned the official story

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behind 9-11.

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And I, speaking for myself, was deeply offended by this.

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I didn't take any time to find out what he was saying, but I was bothered by the idea

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that this defining event in American history, which changed the life of everyone who lived

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here then, might not actually have unfolded as we were told it did.

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And that possibility was too destabilizing, and I remember feeling resentment toward Alex

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Jones for saying that.

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But several years later, I went up in Austin, Texas, and through a chain of circumstances

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wound up meeting Alex Jones.

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And I learned what everyone who has met him now knows, which is Alex Jones is not a crazy

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person.

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Alex Jones has said pretty far out things on TV from time to time.

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Not that far out.

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He hasn't said men can become women or Ukraine is a democracy, but within the bounds of say

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cable news, pretty far out.

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You can see again Tucker throwing out these right-wing culture war memes to keep the audience

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interested.

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Yeah.

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Transphobia and pro-Russia talking points, keep the people engaged, so keep them coming

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Tucker.

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Yeah.

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I'm actually fascinated by this retelling of Tucker's early feelings about Alex, because

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it's not this deep.

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Tucker's brand back then was that he was a staunch neocon and a huge supporter for the

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Iraq war.

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Alex's position was insane, and an affront to the political wing he was a part of.

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You don't need to have all this like emotional turmoil about the most important event in

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the U.S. into the front to me.

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Come on.

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Yeah, come on.

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Let's judge it up.

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Come on.

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Give it a little drama.

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Are you pretending you've gone to therapy about your feelings about Alex?

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The fuck out of here.

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We've worked through it.

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I start most of my senses with I feel now.

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Right.

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Things are going well.

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Also, you notice that Tucker is clear that he just had a knee-jerk reaction to what he

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assumed Alex said back then, and then he didn't look into it.

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That behavior pattern hasn't changed, but his stance on Alex did because he happened

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to be in Austin and he met Alex.

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This seems to happen to a lot of people.

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They think Alex is out there and may be crazy, and then they meet him and their tune changes.

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I suspect this happens for two reasons.

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One is that people like Tucker aren't serious people to begin with, and their perspectives

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are as malleable as aluminum foil.

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The second is that Alex is a narcissist, and in small bursts, narcissists are super fun

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to be around.

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Their ability to carry on as they do relies on people liking them, so narcissists have

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intense levels of charisma they can turn on to charm people when they need to.

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Folks like Tucker and Joe Rogan come into contact with this and mistake it for friendship,

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or him being a cool guy.

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And as to Tucker's point that Alex isn't crazy, if he wants to stand behind that, I demand

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he rationalize a full episode of Alex's show to his own audience.

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Play the shit where Alex fake cries about God choosing him to vanquish the literal devil

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and see how well you can play this.

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He's actually a really well-adjusted person, game.

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The fuck out of here.

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He's well-adjusted in the version you want to present of him, but not as he actually

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is.

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Yeah, I think what I'm weirded out by now so much with Alex is as far as Alex is concerned,

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he's not the front page anymore.

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The idea of Alex has now taken over completely.

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So what people talk about, you know, anytime I'm hearing people talking about Alex, nobody

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is talking about, oh, here's what's happening on Alex's show.

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Everyone's talking about the proverbial Alex, the theoretical Alex, oh, Alex was blank.

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The platonic ideal of Alex.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, yeah, it is literally like he is no longer who he is and it is only an idea or

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a football to be tossed back and forth in the conversation.

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Much like Batman, he has become a symbol.

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He is a symbol and not even a good one.

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No, no.

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And the reality does not match what version is sold by the people who like to use him

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as a symbol.

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What would be the big fat neck signal?

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How would you draw a silhouette of a neck?

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I think it would be an airline pillow.

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I like that.

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I like that.

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I'll take that.

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So Alex predicts a lot of stuff.

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Oh, God, we're not doing this.

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Oh, yes, we are.

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Oh, God damn it.

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But fundamentally, Alex Jones is right about a lot of things.

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And in fact, that's why they don't like him.

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Alex Jones has an uncanny, really an amazing ability to predict events before they happen.

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He has called it and he's done it on tape again and again to the point where it's a

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meme on the Internet.

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Alex Jones, profit, not conspiracy, not profit.

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But when you dig into Alex Jones's predictions, they are so spot on that it's remarkable.

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How does he do this?

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We're guessing there's a kind of spiritual sensitivity to Alex Jones.

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Maybe that's his secret.

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He was displaying this years before the average person you fucking with me about matters like

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that.

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Now, it's pretty obvious to most people that the current war going on in this country is

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taking place in ways you can't see it most of the time.

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But 10 years ago, people were not thinking about how Alex Jones was.

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Yeah, that freaked me out.

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Did we just get that the psychics are real and also maybe the world is religion?

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Yeah, and maybe there is a spiritual battle between demons and...

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Sweet.

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Sweet.

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Yes.

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You know what?

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Tucker.

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Here's where we're at, Tucker.

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Fuck you.

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Come on, man.

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This is not your brand.

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Get out of here.

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Get out of here.

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Oh, maybe it is the case that angels and demons are fighting in my backyard.

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Go back on fucking Fox News and say, oh God.

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We need to get a change.org petition to get him back in the bow tie.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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This is ridiculous.

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This is pathetic.

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Yeah, man.

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But hearing that kind of stuff spouted by Tucker is either just a sign of how desperately

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he's trying to make Alex look normal or it's a sign that maybe a lot of this is a bit more

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pervasive in extreme right ideology than we like to think.

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It may very well be that this is just the schema now.

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Yeah, I mean, well, I think it's going to wind up being both, because there's going

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to be the thing that happens that goes both ways.

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So on the one side, you have the people that I've been having conversations with for the

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longest time where they're like, okay, I understand what you think about religion and all this

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stuff, but most people don't really believe it's real real.

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It's more of like a way to interact with all this stuff and all that stuff.

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And then I go, listen, I know what you're saying.

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Stop it.

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They do.

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And then, you know, but now we're in a situation where Tucker is starting to look like that.

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That's not good.

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That's not good.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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And it's really fun that, you know, you have people who are like arguing against social

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issues on like all of these, these, this concrete reality kind of stuff.

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And then they're like, oh, so demons are fighting.

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Yeah.

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I mean, just bring physiognomy back.

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I'm fine with that.

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My nose is a little bit off, so I'm probably evil.

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That makes as much sense as anything else they've said so far.

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Coming next week on Tucker.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So you remember how Tucker said that he didn't look into Alex's positions on 9-11 and then

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just jump to a conclusion about them?

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Well, he's doing the same thing again when he's decided that Alex is super right about

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all his predictions, we've been over this ad nauseum, but Alex is consistently wrong

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about everything.

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And he just points to a couple of instances where he happened to say something that ended

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up happening when he was right.

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It's meaningless when you just like, oh, I've got a couple of examples here.

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And most often when he does do that, when he gets something right, there's an explanation

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that takes away from the prophetic nature of his prediction.

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And a lot of the times he's lying about what he said in the past in order to make it look

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like he predicted something.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because he's a psychic.

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Yeah.

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So it's a mess.

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He's one of the great examples of, and it is, it's one of those things that like in

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my mind, it's, it's messed me up because it feels like this is the type of shit that exists

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only in the past whenever people hadn't dealt with it before.

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But you can just scream the same thing loud enough for long enough and then the world

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will believe it.

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This is a true thing that can happen sometimes.

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And Alex is an example of that.

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You can just, you can just scream a not true thing loud enough and long enough and eventually

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the world, or at least a large part of it will go, sounds true to me.

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Yeah.

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And you can just have the world's shittiest track record.

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But if you create a little video that makes it look like you actually have a great track

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record, somehow people just ignore the fact that you're so wrong about everything all

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the time.

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It is wild, but I mean, on some level you kind of got to tip your cap to the manipulativeness

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of it.

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Totally.

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But that is why you like read stories about like fucking, God, I don't even know how far

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back you can go and you get the fucking, the spider, Anasazi, the spider, you know what

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I'm saying?

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Like it goes back that far.

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Shouldn't human beings have been like, maybe we put a stop to this.

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If the spider from Africa does it.

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Maybe.

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Okay.

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So Tucker introduces Alex and they get right into, man, you're so right about stuff.

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It's just embarrassing.

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And so we thought it'd be interesting to sit down and talk to Alex Jones, the man.

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He joins us now in our studio, Alex Jones.

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Thank you.

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Wow.

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Tucker.

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It's great to be here.

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Amazing studios.

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Amazing.

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I mean, an amazing people.

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And this is, this is a really going to be, I think a historic interview.

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So thanks for having me.

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Well, I'm really grateful to be able to do it and it's just, it's one of the great blessings

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of my life and of my job is that I've been able to meet people that I've had preconceptions

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about and sometimes find those preconceptions bolstered and in other cases demolished and

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you're definitely in the second category.

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So I want for people who've made it this far, you know, the people who are in the country

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have really succeeded in making you disreputable.

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And the whole point of course is people won't listen to you.

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So we thought it'd be interesting to start with a series of on tape predictions that

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you made.

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Some of which are so precise and so prescient that it makes the hair on my arms stand up.

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Does it?

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And our viewers are about to, about to see what I'm talking about.

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Here is a list of things that you called ahead of time.

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By the middle of September that the new policies being written, you all have to wear mask again

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and show will airport employees.

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It's happening.

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Mask mandates are officially back.

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We got one.

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This is absolutely embarrassing.

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Tucker is playing a compilation that Alex made himself from Alex's website of times

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Alex was supposedly correct about stuff.

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No fucking clown, just regurgitating Alex's masturbatory propaganda.

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Wow.

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Unbelievably just embarrassing.

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So that first one is Alex predicting in August, 2023 that we would all have to wear masks

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skin in September.

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It's now December and this prediction was not accurate.

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However, Alex plays a clip of an anchor from the show rising, discussing a story with the

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Chiron quote, Atlanta college reinstates mask mandates for students, employees.

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This was a story about Morris Brown college, which has a student body of about 400 and

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is a private college.

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All of this sensational reporting around the story was flawed since it didn't point out

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that this was a temporary two week mandate and it was caused by a spike in cases being

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found at the university health center.

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By the first week of September, about two weeks later, that mandate was lifted.

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This first example is not a case of Alex being right or predicting anything.

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It's an example of him talking the same shit he talks all the time and then pulling off

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a sleight of hand trick where he juxtaposes it with an out of context news report that

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makes it look like he was right.

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Alex specifically predicted that all of his listeners and airline employees would be required

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to wear masks and that's categorically wrong.

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So after prediction number one, hair on my arms remain unstood up.

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Yeah.

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I wonder if chilling Tucker, chilling.

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I wonder if the person who invented the Chiron, the like street, the on the, on the news broadcast,

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I wonder if they're going to feel good.

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You know, if there is an afterlife, do you think they, do you think they're going to

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be like, ah, we did it or like, Ooh, we really may have ruined everything but movies.

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I think you can rest easy saying it's a tool and people who use it well use it well and

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people who don't don't, you know, it's like a car.

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You can use a Chiron to run over children.

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It does work well in movies.

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So we continue with this, uh, this, uh, greatest hits collection that Tucker's playing.

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We know the joint chiefs of staff wanted to blow up airliners, Baltimore Sun, or if you

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let some terrorist group do it, like the world trade center, we know who to blame.

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And if there was an outside threat, like a Bin Laden, who was a known CIA asset in the

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eighties.

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This group and its leader, a person named Osama Bin Laden, he's the boogeyman they need.

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So this is the part where Alex predicted nine 11 and chilling detail.

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I thought we were doing a list.

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No, no, it's a, it's just a video.

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Yeah.

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It's a sizzle reel.

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Yeah.

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So if you pay close attention, you'll notice that there's some pretty strategic cuts being

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used here to create the appearance that Alex made a complete, fully accurate prediction

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about nine 11.

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But that's another parlor trick.

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The first clip is Alex saying that quote, we know the joint chiefs of staff wanted to

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blow up airliners, Baltimore Sun.

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This is just him talking about operation Northwoods.

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Although at this point in his career, he didn't know that name, so he just referenced it by

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pointing to the sun article about it.

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The second clip is Alex saying, if you let some terrorists do it like the world trade

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center, we know who to blame.

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This is not him predicting an attack on the world trade center.

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He's referencing the 1993 bombing, which he also believes is a false flag.

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He's, you know, he's saying if you let some terrorists do it like in 1993 at the world

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trade center, this is not saying the world trade center is going to be the target.

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The next clip is Alex saying, and if there was an outside threat, like a bin Laden, who's

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a known CIA asset in the eighties, I'll give Alex this one, but I also qualified as not

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being that impressive of a prediction because bin Laden had taken credit for the 93 bombing

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and wouldn't stop telling people he wanted to attack the U S again.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that one is really always confused me a lot.

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Like I don't, I didn't like that after it was like what, 2008 it had been like five

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years after the war in Iraq had already gotten full blast.

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Whenever I was reading it, it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Bin Laden hit the world trade center a decade before.

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You didn't know that?

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I don't think I knew that.

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Oh, I didn't.

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I, nobody had told me that like where I grew up, that wasn't the type of shit we'd learned.

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I did.

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I don't know when it was that I became aware of that, but it seems like something that

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I've known.

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I, I could not, I could not begin to describe why I, I was so floored by that because it's

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even, you had to have known.

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I had to have known I'd like it the moment it happened.

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I'm sure whenever they did such a lesser terrorist attack, in terms of scope and consequence

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than no, no, no, it was, no, it wasn't then.

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It was a, no, nevermind.

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It was cross his album.

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It was the David cross.

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Yeah.

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Shut up.

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You fucking baby.

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Yep.

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It was that album.

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Yeah.

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When he was like the dude, he did it before.

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Yeah.

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It's not a prediction.

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Comedians.

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The historians of when you find out stupid shit.

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Yeah.

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So pointing to bin Laden as a possible suspect for a terrorist attack is not really the work

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of a profit, but it's fine.

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You know, Alex is saying, you know, if you point out, if you blame bin Laden, we know

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who to blame.

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That's as close to like something that is actually a prediction that Alex is making.

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Sure.

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These are not all from one cohesive thought Alex was putting out on his show, but when

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they're smashed together like this, it makes it look like Alex was solving clue.

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It was bin Laden at the world trade center with airplanes.

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That's the image that Alex's slick video is meant to convey, and it's the fraudulent image

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that Tucker is passing along to his audience.

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Another important issue to point out is that there's some discrepancy on the dates of these

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clips that they're being shown in this compilation.

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The original video says it's from July 25th, 2001, whereas the new compilation has a label

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on it for July 21st.

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I don't think that there's anything suspicious going on here, I just think that people at

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Infowars are lazy and do bad work, because it's right there on the screen.

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Jesus Christ.

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That date is important though, because as we've discussed a hundred times, Alex stole

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his 9-11 prediction from Bill Cooper.

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Alex's show was on July 25th, 2001, but on June 28th, 2001, Bill Cooper started predicting

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a major attack would happen and be blamed on bin Laden.

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If you go back and listen to Bill Cooper's show The Hour of the Time, Alex's prophetic

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skills look a lot less impressive, because Alex stole a lot from Bill Cooper.

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And this is one of the really big things, but hey man, Bill got killed by the police

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a couple months after 9-11, so Alex has had free reign to lie about him ever since.

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Yeah, that's a stroke of luck.

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And this is not to say that Bill Cooper was great, or even that he had prophetic powers,

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he was a piece of shit as well, but Alex did steal this formulation from me very clearly.

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Also, what I've not understood, and I think this, I assume that the interview will actually

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bear this out, that's what I assume this is for, is fine if you think that Alex has predicted

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this shit, but to me, if you're going to be like, oh, well this person should be heralded

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for predicting the future correctly, that means that they should then be able to tell

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me, like, okay, well if the future's going to be this, then we should do this now so

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the future does not become that, right?

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That's the idea.

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Well, yeah, hold on to that thought, I don't think they're going to get into that in the

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interview, but there are obvious implications that you can take away from the things that

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Alex is saying.

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Right.

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Like, you know, he's saying that there are all these military-aged men coming over the

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border, what's the answer to that?

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Right.

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Expel immigrants and close the border.

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I mean, yeah.

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So like, he has those solutions that are baked into what he's talking about, it's just those

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aren't usually articulated because they're pretty extreme things.

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Right, but I mean, what's the point of telling me, I just hate that, like, you're letting

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the prophet religion thing do so much work whenever what you're really saying is, because

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I like what this guy says, I'm going to make it sound like he knows what's coming, so whenever

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you do what he says to avoid what's coming, it won't sound like any...

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I think that there's a slightly different level that's going on that we'll get into

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as this goes through.

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So we get back to the compilation.

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We're looking at a giant war in February right now.

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I predict the Russians are going to roll in.

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They're already there.

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They're going to roll in.

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With attacks across Ukraine, which is the size of Texas.

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So we've been over this a bunch, but Alex is entirely wrong about this prediction.

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And a hundred others that he's made about the invasion of Ukraine.

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When Alex said we're looking at a big war in February, the actual context of that was

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his fear about China going to invade Taiwan, which is why the clip is edited down so short.

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Also, after Russia invaded Ukraine, Alex said that Zelensky was on Putin's payroll and that

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Ukraine would stand down immediately, with the war being over within 48 hours.

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He's been wrong since the start, and he's continued to be wrong, all while tooting his

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little horn about how he gets all this shit right.

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On one level, it's kind of funny how someone who's so wrong all the time can't stop obsessing

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about how right he is all the time, but from a psychological perspective, it's pretty sad.

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Alex is so desperate for validation that he has to lie about the things he said in order

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to make himself look right in hindsight.

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I suspect he does this because the shit he says now is so crazy that it would be damn

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near impossible to get anyone hooked unless they're given constant admonitions to ignore

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their own instincts.

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Your inner voice is telling you that this guy fake crying about demons is unwell and

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you should not listen to him, but what about all the times he's magically predicted all

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these major world events?

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Maybe your instincts are wrong.

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Maybe you need to shut up with that inner voice telling you that this guy's nuts.

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That's part of the game that I think is why you want to make Alex had to be a prophet,

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because there is such a hurdle to taking him seriously if you actually watch his show.

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That's why when you kidnap somebody, you have puppies in the van.

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You don't jump out with a knife and go, ah, that's scary.

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Your instinct is to run away, but when you got puppies, you go, hey, there's some puppies,

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and then they just come right in.

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This is essentially the same thing.

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I'm a prophet.

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Tucker Carlson is turning Alex Jones into a van filled with puppies.

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That's the goal.

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That's what Adrian was doing.

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That's the idea.

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That's the project.

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Mm-hmm.

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So we end this compilation, and Tucker is just blown away.

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Blown away by how great.

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What a genius.

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Those 9-11 clips are crazy.

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They're crazy.

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I'm actually bothered by the precision of them.

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I'm not accusing you of being behind 9-11.

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But how could you in July of 2001 call that?

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You said they're going to have airliners fly into the World Trade Center and they're going

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to blame a guy called Osama bin Laden.

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No.

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Leaving aside what actually happened, how could you have known that?

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So if you're paying attention, Tucker has created an entirely fictitious prediction.

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Alex didn't say that.

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Because of the manipulative way the clips are edited together, it makes it appear like

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Alex had all these thoughts strung together.

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Tucker isn't an idiot, and he's been in media for a really long time, so I have zero belief

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that he takes this shit seriously at all.

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He doesn't believe that Alex made this prediction or that it means anything, but this is part

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of a game, and Tucker believes in that game.

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Alex is part of the vanguard of voices who are pushing for the most extremely bigoted

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positions, who retain the thinnest veneer of respectability.

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You could get more virulent, extremist, racist type, but generally there are going to be

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people who you can't get away with interviewing.

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Alex is right on the cusp of somehow you can get away with talking to him.

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It does feel like he is the new Mendoza line.

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Yes.

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Tucker is now part of a political project that's oriented toward re-establishing a brutally

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xenophobic country entirely ordered around cis-heterosexual white male Christian people

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maintaining a monopoly on power, and Alex is an important part of pushing that Overton

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window.

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For many years, people like Glenn Beck enjoyed a certain amount of cover because of Alex.

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They could say the most insane shit, and when they were called out on it, they could say

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something like, it's not like I'm on Infowars.

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Alex's existence as a clearly insane person in media allowed them to appear sane by comparison,

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which is a trick Tucker himself has used as recently as about a year ago.

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The season has changed a little bit now, and figures like Tucker are now in a bit of a

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more offensive footing.

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So instead of playing defense by throwing Alex under the bus, the move is to sanitize

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Alex to your audience so the extreme horrible shit he says appears less extreme than it

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actually is.

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This shift in tactic is something that should be of pretty serious concern.

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Because it's an indication of a desire to move in the direction of Alex.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to, you know, I saw Mark's tweet about how Alex can go fuck himself and all

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that stuff.

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About Musk letting him back on Twitter.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I'm all fine with that.

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I'm all fine with all that stuff.

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I just, man, I'm from sports, dude.

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If somebody's down, you fucking step on their throat and you end the game.

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You end the game.

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You end the game.

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The game is ended.

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You don't allow the game to continue on with that person, uh, fine.

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That's not a good way to play the game because then the game continues on and they can come

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back in the game.

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But from the standpoint of what I think Mark was saying with the I don't care if Alex is

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left or allowed back on Twitter or not is meaningless.

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I kind of agree with that.

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I agree with it too.

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Because the damage that Alex can do vis-a-vis social media, there are so many worse figures

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now.

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Sure.

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All over social media.

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But again, I agree on all fronts, all reasonable thoughts are there, but I'm from sports.

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You step on a man's fucking throat.

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It's interesting.

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And you end the game.

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It's interesting how intensely you're telling me that you're from sports.

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I'm from sports.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I'm just, I can't, I can't, I've just seen it too many times.

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I've seen too many fourth quarter comebacks.

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I am also from sports.

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It's too many fourth quarter comebacks, Dan.

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But I'm talking about the Huey Lewis and the News album.

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That fourth quarter sales spiked.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So, you know, all this is concerning, but let's go ahead and hear Alex explain his prediction

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of 9-11.

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Sure.

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Because we've heard a hundred different versions of this.

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I was going to say, which version is this?

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See how he chooses to lie to Tucker's audience.

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How could you have known that?

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Well, in the longer clips, it's a multi-hour show from July 25th, 2001.

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I specifically walked through all the reasons and I knew that they were hyping up, that

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we were about to be hit by Osama bin Laden.

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I knew that the World Trade Center had been attacked the first time and that the Fedsman

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involved helping cook the bomb and allowing it to go forward.

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And I just saw a lot of the pre-programming that was happening in the media as they were

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on the news saying, you know, well, life's about to change in America.

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And I was reading what the Rand Corporation was saying and what the Pentagon was putting

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out.

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And I read the PNAC document from a year before rebuilding America's defenses that Dick Cheney

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had helped write and it said we need a Pearl Harbor event on the American homeland to be

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able to bring in this police state and this control and expand the American empire worldwide.

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So hundreds of pieces of data, hundreds of pieces of data went into that prediction.

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So I have two main responses to this explanation.

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The first is that Alex has been very clear on his show as well as when he was on Rogan's

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show that even though he claimed that he got that prediction from research, in reality

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it came to him in a prophetic dream.

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Here's him saying that.

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From the time I was a child, and it only happens once every few years, we'll have a dream,

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I will tell people about the dream, vividly image it, and it will happen at a later date,

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a month, six months, a year later.

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And a lot of people ask, how did I know about 9-1-1, how did I get on the air, never done

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this before.

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I said call the White House, call Congress, tell them not to use bin Laden to attack New

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York as their patsy.

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And I have the evidence, I have the information, but frankly folks, I've never said this on

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the air, I had a dream where I saw the towers hit.

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You wonder why Alex won't just tell his buddy Tucker, who clearly has indicated that he

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believes there's a spiritual war going on, that he got his prediction from a prophetic

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dream, which is part of the skill set that God gave him so he could lead his forces against

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the devil.

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Maybe it's too early in the interview for that, but I don't know, it seems disingenuous

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for Alex not to tell his buddy the truth.

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Now leaving that aside, my other response is that Alex has completely forgotten the

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narrative from 2001.

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In 2001, there were a couple of journalists who were able to get interviews with bin Laden,

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and the conspiracy community took serious notice of that.

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How could these journalists get access to this guy who the US intelligence agencies

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couldn't even seem to find?

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It doesn't make sense.

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In the context of multiple interviews being reported on from outlets in the Middle East,

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CNN made a big deal out of how their team were the first to conduct a TV interview with

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bin Laden in 1997, where he declared war on America.

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All this added up to a media rollout, according to people like Bill Cooper.

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They were putting the boogeyman into the public's mind in advance of blaming him for a major

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act of terrorism.

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That was the genesis of Cooper's prediction that he lays out pretty clearly on his show,

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and this is where the beginnings of what led to Alex's, what his prediction was.

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It's that there were interviews with bin Laden, and CNN was talking about it, and that's it.

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That's one of the things that I hate the most in the faith world.

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Listen, I think we're all fairly convinced that something's going on that we can't see.

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Something large of that.

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Yeah, I'm tapped into the universe, and I predicted that Osama bin Laden flew the planes

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into there because I can see into the future.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not just going to let that on TV.

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Can you say the first part and then also have some fake ass reasons for why that you might

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be right?

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Because we won't just let people allow them to believe you on faith, despite insinuating

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strongly they should.

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Well, no, no, you should believe this on faith, but also, this is a big ask.

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This is maybe a little bit too much for the uninitiated to give Alex a pass on, that he's

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a prophet and literally has visions of the future.

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Yeah, I suppose you want your way up to the 9-11.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I suppose.

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You want to wait until date three to drop the I'm a psychic on somebody.

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Fair enough, fair enough.

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So Tucker's just blown away by Alex and his predictions, his abilities.

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Oh.

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Hair on his arms.

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Oh.

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Standing up.

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Mine's still quite not stood up.

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Plus it.

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But the 9-11 thing, I remember that really well.

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Nobody was thinking like that.

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So you called it in public on tape.

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Did the 9-11 commission.

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So if I'm the FBI and I'm investigating 9-11.

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Did the 9-11.

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Yeah.

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What did they say?

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Because you're the only person who said that out loud.

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Is that Bill Cooper?

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Did they call you?

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Yeah.

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No, they didn't.

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Of course they didn't.

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My most accurate prediction going back over a decade was when I read the Rockefeller Foundation

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Operation Lockstep and they described using a virus to bring in world government, to bring

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in a world medical ID, that they would then build the social credit score off of and that

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they would make people wear masks for fear, that they would shut down sporting events

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and things like that and basically phase in this new tyranny.

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So I was also able to specifically make that prediction over and over and over again because

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I was going off their own battle plans.

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Yeah.

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No, that's Operation Lockstep isn't real.

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Nope.

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And this is a load of bullshit.

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Yep.

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Alex is just pivoting over to...

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Because he probably doesn't want to talk more about the 9-11 prediction because there isn't

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anything there.

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There's nothing else there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he doesn't remember really what was going on.

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And further examination of the things he said about 9-11 is going to be bad for them.

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Does Tucker want to force Alex to actually explain what he thinks happened on 9-11?

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Yeah.

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Because that's going to be a mess.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And there is a certain part of every interview, like, hey, Alex, we came here for a surface

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interview and Alex would be like, yes, you did.

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Why are you asking me questions then?

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Well, to Tucker's credit, he does just let Alex roll quite a bit.

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So there isn't much like searching for depth.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Because I think Tucker understands that there isn't any.

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Just wind him up and let him go.

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You came here to watch me cook, let me go into the kitchen, and then when we're done,

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we'll have a meal.

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That's it.

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And it'll be inedible.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Don't be like, oh, what were you thinking then?

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No.

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You don't want to know.

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So Alex had all this information that informed his belief about 9-11 happening.

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Sure.

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He had this lockstep document.

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Chicken fried lockstep.

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And it makes Tucker ask a very pointed question.

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And it's a question that I think I would take as an insult if I were Alex.

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All right.

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Are you the only person in media who actually reads these reports?

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I don't think a lot of people do read them.

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But I do read them.

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I mean, I'm currently reading MIT reports from their top councils, Pentagon reports.

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They have a working group called the Mad Scientist Group at the Pentagon that works with MIT.

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And if you go watch their hour long, two hour long, three hour long meetings they have on

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YouTube, with all the top, I mean, we're talking hundreds of top scientists.

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They admit that they're building a post-human world, that soon everyone's going to be mind

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controlled, that they're going to put smart dust in our food that they can electromagnetically

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control and they just lay it all out right there.

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The smart dust is going to go with the bugs.

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I do like that one.

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Yeah.

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I think that if I were asked, are you the only person who reads this stuff?

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I would probably take that as insult because obviously Tucker is, in essence, what he's

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teasing out is, no one says this stuff.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Do you have access to magic reports that no one has?

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It is very much like only, that is like that psychopath question, you know, like how do

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you meet the person at the funeral again?

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Only a narcissist could listen to that question and then take it in stride and just keep on

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going.

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Like I hear that and I go, you're fucking with me.

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What do you want?

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What did I do to you?

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I'm reading the things and Alex is like, I know, isn't it weird that people don't read

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these things?

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And I think the goal of asking it for Tucker is to be like, no, they read this and they

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just cover it up.

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Yeah.

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Or something like that.

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It's gotta be.

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The endpoint that is most advantageous to the presentation Tucker is doing is something

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where everybody has access to this.

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It's an open secret.

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Yeah, it's hiding in plain sight.

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Yeah.

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Alex doesn't quite go that direction.

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So he has, he just, he reads all this high level shit, man.

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I'm not really making predictions in these high level world economic forum and other

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large think tank groups, they are laying out the future and they're, they're high priest

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of the world economic forum.

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That's a consortium of all these groups.

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You've all know Harari, you can read his quotes.

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The future is not human.

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The human era is over.

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The public is useless.

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I mean, this is a very anti-human system.

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So that's how I'm able to make predictions because they've given us a roadmap.

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They tell us where they want to take us.

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And so when the public wakes up, we push back on some of it, but they always come back.

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And so I'm just following the trajectory of where they say they want to take us.

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And there were a lot of white papers, not just the peanut document from 2000, a year

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before nine 11, where they describe, we really need big terror attacks.

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We really need Pearl Harbor events to get Americans to their rights.

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I can test this and I demand Alex producer even cite any of these other white papers.

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He claims that we needed Pearl Harbor events.

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Ridiculous.

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Name one.

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This is complete horseshit he's laying out in front of Tucker because he knows that Tucker's

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enough of a worm to eat it.

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Alex doesn't read high level world economic forum documents.

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He skims memes and he makes shit up.

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He has a couple of lines that he attributes to Yuval Noah Harari, but I know without a

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shred of a doubt that Alex has not even read the most elementary stuff Harari has released,

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like his book Sapiens and Homo Deus.

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I know that because I've read Alex's stupid book, The Great Reset, and multiple chapters

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in it are dedicated to out of context sentences from Harari's book that are just being used

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completely inappropriately, you know, much in the way that someone who hasn't read his

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books would do.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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If Tucker had any integrity at all and cared at all about what he was exposing his audience

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to, he would ask for further details.

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If Tucker is so blown away by Alex's seemingly superhuman prophecy powers and Alex is saying

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that it comes from reading these reports, shouldn't Tucker be at all curious what these

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reports are?

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Shouldn't high level world economic forum documents be way too vague?

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You're a journalist, dick.

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You're interviewing a guy.

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Tucker doesn't ask any more details because he doesn't actually think Alex is a prophet.

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He just wants the audience too.

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He doesn't ask for more details because he's playing a game with Alex and he doesn't want

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to make it too clear that Alex is an idiot liar and he knows that there's no depth.

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Look for more details and you'll get a five minute diatribe that includes no details.

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Yeah.

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He knows that.

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Yeah.

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It is, it is weird to be watching like daytime TV from the nineties.

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Is that what this is?

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I mean, you know, like when they would have the, the faith healers on when they would

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have the spiritualists on the daytime TV, like Donahue.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like Donahue and the Reba, Montel, that's who, that's exactly who I was thinking of.

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I saw in my head, I saw in my head, Montel, yeah, that's, that's exactly what I'm thinking

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of.

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I'm thinking of them bringing on Alex as this, Oh my God, this person who has seen the future

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three times in a row they've predicted that the only difference is there's a level of

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curiosity that those programs were based in theory.

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They weren't just trying to whitewash the guests.

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No, but there was an opportunity for the audience generally to ask questions and sometimes it

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turned hostile.

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That's what, that's what I was thinking about why this was, this is so much worse is because

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this is so curated, you know, like in the daytime TV, they knew that they couldn't,

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they knew that the producers knew what was going on.

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Everybody was involved in the show, you know, and then the audience got the chance to have

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their fun with it too.

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This is just like an isolated block.

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It's like a, it's like daytime TV in a, in a confinement, solitary confinement, daytime

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TV is disgusting.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So, um, Tucker allows Alex to ramble quite a bit at various points in this interview

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and here's one of them that just, uh, I don't know.

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It's clear that Hezbollah and Hamas have tens of thousands of men and women as sleeper cells

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that are quote other than Mexican that the border patrol list every month, tens of thousands

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coming across the Texas and Arizona and California sectors.

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And it's an easy equation to predict that there's a wide probability that Hezbollah

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and Hamas at some point are going to attack sports stadiums, they're going to attack colleges,

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they're going to attack synagogues, they're going to shoot up mass gatherings if they're

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given the order by Iran, if we go to war with Iran and then when this happens, our government

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won't get in trouble for dissolving the border and letting these people come in.

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Just like on 9-11, our government clearly had prior knowledge that was clearly a major

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stand down that went on and the government got more power, more control, and now they're

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not pointing the Homeland Security apparatus at the Russians like they did in the cold

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war or the Islamists after 9-11.

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Now they admit that their main focus is Christian conservatives and the bitter clingers and

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the people that live in rural America that quote white people.

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I mean, it says that in the report are the main terror threat.

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And so this whole apparatus of the war on terror, it has now been turned inwardly against

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the people, not just here, but also in Europe, where if someone criticizes transgenderism

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in the UK, they come to their house and arrest them.

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If the journalist does that, they come to their house and arrest them.

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If somebody says, I think these surveillance cameras should start getting cut down, they

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come to their house, they arrest them for their free speech.

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And so this is a global movement by the mega corporations, by the BlackRocks and the state

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streets and the vanguards that control 80 plus percent of world wealth to control our

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behavior.

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And Larry Fink of BlackRock has said that today most repeatedly.

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We're going to use our control over all this finance and this global social credit score

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rolling out to control people's behavior.

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So that's really what this is.

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And then they use the threat of global warming.

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They use the threat of a virus.

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They use the threat of radical Islam to take our rights.

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But we really are the target.

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What if I by the way, none of that seems implausible at this point, you're a measure of how the

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world has changed.

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If you'd said this to me 15 years ago, I'd have been like, you know, someone's a crackpot

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and it's not me.

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And now after covid, nothing you said seems crazy at all.

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I mean, you may be right.

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You may be wrong, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, obviously.

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But even if I disagree with what you just said, I would think that's pretty interesting.

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It's interesting perspective.

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Why do you think you've committed no crime?

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You'd be in jail if you had.

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Why do you think they hate you so much?

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You've committed no crime.

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You'd be in jail if you had is a painfully stupid thing to hear Tucker say he doesn't

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believe that shit for a second.

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But it's just another way to appeal to the audience that Alex has done no wrong.

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He's a good man.

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He's good man.

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People like don't like for no reason.

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Wow.

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Now I can elucidate a little bit about why people don't like Alex, even just using the

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very interesting perspective he just shared with Tucker.

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That clip jumps all over the place.

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But the general theme is that Alex doesn't like that law enforcement agencies in the

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country recognize the dangers of white nationalism and white supremacist groups.

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He thinks that homeland security should only be used to protect the homeland from non-white

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people, so he gets really offended when white groups are seen as terrorist threats, even

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when they do terrorist stuff.

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That's a big part of why people don't like Alex.

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He's a flagrant racist.

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He's savvy enough to not use slurs on air, but the difference in the way he covers stories

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depending on the race of the subject is very glaring if you pay attention.

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Beyond this trend, which we've covered in detail previously, Alex literally just repeats

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white supremacist talking points constantly, stuff about varying crime rates and what have

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you, and he believes that apartheid should be reintroduced in South Africa and Zimbabwe.

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I know a lot of people think it's fun to pretend Alex isn't racist, but that's delusional and

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I have no time for it.

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Keeping going with things that Alex touches on in that clip, he's also a vicious transphobe

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who would like to wield the power of the state to outlaw all LGBTQ existence in public and

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eventually in private.

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He believes that gay people and trans people are mostly pedophiles trying to lure your

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children into a death cult, which is disgusting to preach.

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In that clip, he says that in the UK you get arrested if you criticize trans people, which

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seems really strange considering that JK Rowling doesn't seem to be in jail, the biggest transphobic

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person probably in media in the world.

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Well, yeah.

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So this brings me to the next reason from that clip that people don't like Alex.

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He lies to justify his hate.

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He has no problem making things up when he needs to, generally because reality doesn't

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conform to his ridiculous bigot shit.

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Also in that clip, Alex claims there are tons of Hezbollah sleeper cell people in the country

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who have come over the border, which he has no evidence to back up.

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However, promoting this mentality is a surefire way to build up anti-immigrant sentiment,

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which is one of Alex's big causes.

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If you think that there are tons of Hezbollah sleeper cell agents walking among us, any

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person you suspect of being an immigrant from the Middle East could be a lethal threat to

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you and your family.

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Promoting narratives like this are building blocks of Alex's aim of dehumanizing immigrant

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populations who he would like to expel from the country.

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Also, people hate Alex because climate change is real and because COVID is real, and his

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actions probably led to a ton of unnecessary deaths during the pandemic, which Alex shamelessly

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tried to profit from, promoting how evil all the masks are while selling a mask, claiming

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that his supplements could protect you from COVID.

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It's a load of shit.

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There's plenty more, but just from that clip there, these are some of the reasons people

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might hate Alex.

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It's because he's a lying piece of shit whose primary influence on the world is inciting

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and exacerbating hate.

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He's done no crime, hence he's not in jail.

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You know what's amazing, Dan?

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You made me hate him all over again.

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Yeah.

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We like to renew those vows.

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We like to fall into hate all over.

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So Alex has his own answer though.

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Sure.

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Different from yours?

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It's a little different.

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Okay.

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Why do you think they hate you so much?

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Because I do read their documents and I do read their books, and we were effectively

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getting a lot of people in the military and the intelligence agencies who were compartmentalized

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and who tuned into my show and saw my films and read my books and things, and they clicked

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with it and said, wow, I see all this going on around me.

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He's not lying about it.

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And then I would give them other pieces that I discovered or my other guests discovered.

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And so it was giving them an operational awareness outside of their compartmentalization.

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And so we had massive success in the military, in the police, and in the intelligence agencies

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not just here but around the world.

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And so our penetration into those areas to help people expand their awareness that were

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inside the government, inside corporations, was triggering a lot of whistleblowers, was

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triggering a lot of people not going along with the program.

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And so really my sin was decompartmentalization of the population.

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So Alex absolutely does not read anybody's documents.

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This is, it's ridiculous.

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Are you sure his sin isn't decompartmentalization?

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Well, that's where things get actually kind of interesting because I think that there's

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some truth to what he's saying.

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Now granted, I don't think that there's any reason why the man hates him being explained

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here or anything like that.

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But I do think he's touching on a dynamic that was real of his show, which was that

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he was pretty effective at radicalizing police officers and military.

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Sure.

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There is something to be said for that.

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I don't think that that is why the globalists hate him or anything like that because that's

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all in his head.

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But I think that, you know, he's at least pointing to something real as a cause for

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why his imaginary enemies hate him.

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There is that.

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Yeah.

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I will give him that.

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So tip of the old cap for at least having internal consistency and logic.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Which is not often the case here.

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That's true.

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So Alex got censored from-

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Before we go any further, I want, I just, I just need a head count or something.

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Two.

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Alex Tucker.

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Right, right, right.

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But I'd be like, how is it possible for Hezbollah to be sending so many people over here-

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And they have been for years.

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That's why.

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And then still, you know, like, is it a good argument?

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Like how are they running their own infrastructure?

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You know, like who is dealing with Hezbollah's comptrolling issues, you know, because they've

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got so many people in sleeper cells over here.

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It's an organizational nightmare.

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It's absurd.

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It is absurd.

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The org chart is nuts.

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I mean, come on.

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And who reports to who, you don't even know who's going to be there on what day.

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What's the phone tree like if someone's sick?

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Everybody knows that Hezbollah has the largest standing army.

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There's so many people in Hezbollah, apparently.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So Alex got sent, I can't, I have no answer for you.

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I don't know.

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Is there a lot?

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Is there a little?

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I don't know.

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According to this mythology and this fantasy-

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Infinite.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So Alex got censored from internets.

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Yes, he did.

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And Tucker wasn't there for him.

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No, no.

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First they came for Alex and Tucker said, fuck off.

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I'm out on a boat, asshole.

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When you got deplatformed and to this day, no one has ever been more aggressively censored,

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I don't think, than you.

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I've apologized to you just in person before.

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I was in Labrador on a fishing trip and missed the entire thing.

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I was literally out of cell range.

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I didn't know what happened, but I got back and I was, and I read about it.

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I felt like it was a major moment in the history of the American media.

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I don't think anybody defended you when that happened, anybody with any kind of audience.

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When Tim Cook admitted that he met on the weekend in August of 2017 with the other big

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tech heads and they made the decision to curate, like it's a museum, and take me off, it was

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hundreds of platforms.

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I mean, it wasn't just all the big ones.

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It was everything from LinkedIn to our bank accounts being taken away to everything ensuing

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that week and over the next month.

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And I knew that I was a test case.

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And I wasn't taken off those platforms for any demonstrable reason.

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It was the questioning the school shooting thing that came later.

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They went and kind of dredged that up for my past, just questioning it a few times,

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blew that up after I'd been deplatformed and said I was deplatformed for that.

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But if you check the record, I wasn't.

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And so once they deplatformed me, it made the show in ways only get bigger with people

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actually going to mfullwars.com and finding me on local radio stations and things.

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So then they panicked and said, OK, let's look at his record and create more of a reason

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that he's being taken off.

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So they took things out of context from five, six years before, blew him up as a current

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thing out of context, and deceptively reported on what I'd said to create a straw man argument

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to then facilitate the reason.

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What's so crazy is if you asked just a cross section of Americans who's responsible for

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the Sandy Hook massacre of kids at the school, no one remembers the name of the murderer.

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Adam Lanza.

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OK, thank you.

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I didn't remember what is happening.

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They effectively blamed you for a school shooting.

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Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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It's fascinating, though, to hear Tucker repeat something that I've literally only heard Alex

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say, which is that no one knows Adam Lanza's name and they just think Alex did Sandy Hook.

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Yeah, that's completely insane.

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And I have a strong suspicion that Tucker is just pretending not to remember Lanza to

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play along with Alex's idiotic bit.

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That, right there, is one of the indications that I think Alex had some creative control

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over this interview.

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I've never heard anybody say that.

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Never.

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Never.

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It's a ridiculous thing that Alex says.

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Opening the show with his own sizzle reel of fake predictions, there is something going

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on here that Alex, this is not something that is impartial and Tucker is producing of his

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own accord, you know what I mean?

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I'm not saying that it's a pay-to-play situation or anything like that, but there is some level

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of editorial that Alex is exerting.

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Yeah, I don't like this at all.

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Also, that really seemed like a sincere apology, and it totally explains why this is the first

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time that Tucker has appeared anywhere with Alex in the five years since Alex got kicked

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off social media.

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Well.

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Seems really sincere.

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Yeah, well, I mean, he got him.

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You know, he's got your back now.

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Yeah, I mean, he referenced him a couple times on his Fox show, a couple times, didn't have

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him on.

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Alex Jones, people think Alex Jones is crazy, but is he really that crazy?

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See, I said that three years ago, Alex.

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Sure.

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Remember?

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Yeah.

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I am your greatest supporter.

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Yeah.

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So, Alex rambles here about the ADL a bit and how they want to take the sponsors away.

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They're trying to take the sponsors.

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All right.

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Are you doing some of the Elon Musk talk from recent days?

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Yeah.

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I am still banned and I'm not mad at Elon Musk.

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I understand I've been so demonized with the general public.

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He's barely able to keep Twitter going right now.

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I really appreciate what he's done.

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I admire him.

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I think he's done a lot of great work and I see him moving in the right direction.

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So a lot of people attack Musk on Twitter.

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You know, I trend all the time.

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Hey, if you're such an absolutist on free speech, bring back Alex Jones.

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I understand that if he did that, the ADL and others would really be able to, which

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are probably shut down Twitter.

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So, so I understand that he needs to go through a process before he does that.

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So people get mad at Twitter for not why the ADL.

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I don't, I mean, I'm not the world's expert on your career, but I, I don't, I know you,

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I've never used a single anti-Semitic thing and the anti-Israel thing.

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Why would the ADL be against you?

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I don't, I don't think anyone's even called you an anti-Semite.

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What goes on is the left forever called everybody a racist.

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If you were just a conservative or pro second amendment or pro life, that didn't work anymore

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to call people racist.

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And so the ADL gets all this big liberal donations.

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And so they go out and then police and take people's sponsors and, and, and, and target

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them just by the ADL calling up sponsors, sponsors get scared and drop.

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And so that's what they've done to Elon Musk.

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They've been, you know, they took over 50% of Twitter's North American and European advertising

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in just the last year and bragged about it by, by saying he gives harbor to white supremacists,

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which, which, which he doesn't.

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But at the same time, white supremacists are ridiculous.

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They're goofy.

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Most of them are usually working for foundations that are basically, you know, actors.

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We're not supposed to say that, but there's many cases of that actually being the case

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and that they're just, Tucker, you're one premises, but let those

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Whatever happened to the ACLU that used to support the KKK marching through a town or

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publishing newspaper.

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I don't support the KKK.

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I think they're a joke, but if you take their rights, you're taking everybody's, but, but

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they're not even taking the rights of those people to post because they create fear and

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they get the ADL more funding.

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But if they can target an Alex Jones or an Elon Musk or Tucker Carlson, then they're

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going after the real populist leaders that are bringing America together.

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And so the left wants us to divide us all according to race and to come out and say

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fundamentally with critical race theory that inherently being white is bad and teaching

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five-year-old white children, they're inherently bad because they're white.

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Oh God.

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So this is just kind of a bland episode of Alex's show at this point, which makes sense.

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The goal here is to expose more people to Alex's shit and push the audience even further

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down the road to extremism.

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And the only way to do that is by presenting Alex as kind of a sensible person.

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The way this interview could have been interesting is if Alex got wasted like he did on Rogan

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and then he put on a show, but he's trying to appeal to a different audience here and

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they would likely be turned off by him being drunk off his ass rambling about aliens, which

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is unfortunate because this is just boring.

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Yeah, that is, I mean, it does feel as though Alex was invited onto Tucker's show after

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Tucker had been kicked off of Fox News, freeing the available space open after advertisers

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have already left Twitter.

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They're gone.

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Yeah.

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That shit's gone.

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So they're in an echo chamber of just people who would otherwise agree.

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There are zero downsides because no one pays attention to who fucking cares what the WAPO

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says about Alex and Tucker's interview.

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Who fucking cares, right?

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This is kind of like that Mark Twain quote that Alex loves.

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Like at the beginning, a patriot is a feared man, scarce and you know, like, but then in

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time people come around cause it costs nothing to be a patriot.

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Just replace patriot with a white supremacist and you have, you have Tucker, like it doesn't

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cost him anything to do this now.

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And so yeah, he wouldn't have done it before.

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You know what would have been a fucking awesome move?

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What?

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Jesse Waters, as soon as he takes over for Tucker, brings Alex on.

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That would have been a bad ass move.

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Fuck you Tucker.

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That would have been a bad ass move.

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What now?

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A bad ass move.

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No, I just don't understand why they're not leaning into it.

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You know, like I don't understand why you're still holding, why you still have the gloves

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on if you're Tucker, if you're Tucker, because it feels like somebody, it feels like they

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had a conversation that was like, this is for Tucker's audience.

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This is who we want you to look like.

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This is who we're presenting you for.

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Right.

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Because I think that Tucker probably doesn't want to be seen as that publicly.

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I think, I think that his, his, uh, that's, that's pathetic.

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You are that publicly, Tucker.

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Step up.

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Well, I think that a lot of folks have a difficulty with being overt that we're the bad guys.

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I understand.

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They know that on some level, so you create a thin veneer of respectability.

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And then on the second level, I think that if you were just to be out and out, uh, you

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know, clear about what you're about as someone like Tucker or, or Alex, I think that Tucker

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would run the risk of actually getting his show kicked off Twitter.

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Well no, he wouldn't.

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What?

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Yeah.

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What are you talking about?

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Because of what?

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In the past.

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Yes.

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In the past.

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Yes.

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No.

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Absolutely not.

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As soon as that came out of my mouth, I'm like, what am I talking about?

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What are you talking about?

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No.

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No, we're all, the best thing that's going to happen is that we're all going to be kicked

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off Twitter.

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Right.

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When it goes away.

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When it folds.

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Yes.

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Uh, in this next clip, uh, they, they branch off from complaining about the ADL taking

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everyone's sponsors, uh, into complaining about how tough it is to be white, white people

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have it.

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So tough and teaching five year old white children.

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They're inherently bad because they're white.

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That is wounding their brains and really creating racial division.

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Why do people put up with that?

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I don't understand why.

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I mean, that's just, if you had told me 20 years ago, I grew up in a world where people

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put up with slavery, skin color was totally immoral and I still believe that, but if you

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told me 20 years ago, we were going to live in a world where people get on TV and just

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be like, I hate white people.

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They're bad.

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No, it's totally fine.

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Like what, what, why do people put up with that?

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Like there should be zero tolerance for that.

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I don't get it.

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The democratic party founded the KKK and when the majority were whites in the south

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of some areas, they played the race card for political power.

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Now that the majority in most areas are not white, they're playing the good old fashioned

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race card of tell whites, you know, stand down and let people take over your society,

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your culture, give up your culture.

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It's embarrassing to be white.

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And then now it's flat out bad to be white and the left trying to convert all these minority

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groups that are now majority in most areas into race based systems because that is a

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very effective system.

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Why do people put up with that?

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I mean, like if it was doing that to the Norasians or Filipinos or Hondurans, I would say you

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can't do that.

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You're not allowed to attack people on the basis of their race.

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I'm sorry, not in a country like this because the country will fall apart and it's immoral.

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I totally agree.

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But nobody says anything.

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I don't get it.

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The reason they've done it is most of the enforcers of this are white liberal women,

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45 or older.

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Not fair.

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It's just a fact.

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And they're cucked husbands.

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And so to them, can I say that the phrase cucked husbands is the best.

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I mean, it really is true.

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So if you get around these white liberals, they're totally scared of anybody with a

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brown skin.

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I want a psychiatrist to signal constantly and then say, yes, the white people are bad.

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You know, the white people are evil.

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And you know, these these I mean, I mean, you see white people sit there and say, yeah,

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it's time to deal with with these crackers.

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And they're a white person saying that.

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So from Jackson Hole or Nantucket or Aspen, are you people?

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The ones in America are you talking about to be a lot super simple.

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If you've got a BLM sign in your yard, you should be required to live in Gary, Indiana

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or Baltimore.

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What?

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You should not be anywhere near Jackson, Wyoming.

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You should be made to live in East St. Louis.

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I totally agree.

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You should be made to live in Detroit.

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Segregation now, segregation then, segregation forever.

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That is unironically some of the most racist content I've heard from Alex.

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That's the most racist thing I've ever heard.

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Apparently, Alex and Tucker don't believe you can express your belief that black lives

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matter if you live in an area where they feel it's predominantly white.

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The implication here is, of course, that these cushy white liberals who live in these cushy

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white areas only believe that black lives matter because they don't live in areas with

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higher black populations.

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There's an underlying premise here that these imaginary white liberals would change their

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mind if they lived in East St. Louis and that their opposition to racism exists only because

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they don't live around a lot of black people, which is nuts.

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But it's my favorite because it's such a great line of thinking, like, oh, the only reason

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you don't live by those people who I would never live nearby is because of the imaginary

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things that I think those people I've never met might do to you.

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Right.

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All this is made up in Alex and Tucker's racist imagination.

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Who are these white liberals, these shrill female enforcers and their cucked husbands?

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Forty five and older.

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Yes!

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They don't exist, but they're characters that Alex has invented in his mind in order to

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invalidate opposition to racism.

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To the point of how this is all in his imagination, no one is even saying that white populations

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are inherently evil.

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This is a complete fabrication of Alex's imagination because he's emotionally threatened by conversations

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about how race and racism have shaped the modern world we currently inhabit.

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He's intensely weak in his sense of self, so instead of engaging with the actual arguments

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and conversations that are being had, he has to create a fictional version of them to whine

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about where he's the victim.

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Does he think that the legacy of slavery and the years of segregation that followed don't

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still have real world impact in terms of housing, urban development, and generational wealth?

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If he doesn't agree with that position, then he should actually form a rebuttal instead

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of just pretending everyone hates white people because they're white.

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This is ridiculous.

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It's childish shit that somehow is allowed to be taken seriously.

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It needs to calm down and go away, and it's being mixed with some just generally and genuinely

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intensely racist ideas that are being expressed.

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That is literally the most full-throated support of segregation I've heard publicly in a long

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time, which is why it's even crazier to me that we have to pretend behaving like not

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getting drunk all the time is what's going to make Alex more palatable to people as opposed

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to just being like, hey, I just think you shouldn't be allowed to have a BLM sign if

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you don't live in a predominantly black area, and also only black people should live in

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predominantly black areas.

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What are we doing here?

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It's a mess.

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I don't understand how... When people see a thing and then they tell me, oh, this is

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what people are going to think, I am always wrong.

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I am way wrong.

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I'm way wrong because I hear that and I'm like, well, obviously people are going to

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go, look at these two weirdo white nationalist creepos living in the fucking main underneath

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the... What are they doing?

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Instead, they're like, ah, these people.

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They get it.

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They have got it.

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We got to think about whether or not 9-11 is because of this.

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Tucker and Alex don't have the woke mind virus, man.

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I guess it must be that.

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I think I have the woke mind virus.

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Yeah, you got it from the vaccine, man.

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You must have got it from the vaccine or something.

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Or you watch too much TV that China made you watch.

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See, I don't do that either.

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It's not just here.

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It's in Europe and it's in the UK, like in London.

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The liberal areas are like 99% white.

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Oh, I noticed.

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Okay, and there's a lot of rich people in London that aren't white, but they're not

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even in that area.

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They are the most insular group and then they point at white Christian culture and society

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that actually outlawed slavery in most of the world, was the vanguard of stopping it.

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And then they don't point at China, which is the most homogeneous racist group in the

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world.

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It's an ethnostate.

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It's Han Chinese, period.

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Well, they teach, as you know on their news, that we are going to have Chinese superiority.

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We are the Chinese supremacist.

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Xi Jinping admires Hitler.

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He is literally following a race-based operation that is taking the world over, that owns the

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majority of Hollywood, that's paid off the Democratic Party.

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And if you look at all these anti-white shows that you see funded in Hollywood, almost all

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of it has majority literal communist Chinese government backing that is funding this.

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So it's real simple.

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China looks in and sees this diverse culture and they say, we're going to use that to split

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the country up and balkanize it.

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And that's what they've done.

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And so communist China, along with the Southern Property Law Center and the ADL and all these

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groups see America's weakness and they're literally coming in saying white people are

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inherently bad because of the color of their skin.

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They're inherently have cheated people.

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They've hurt people.

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White people invented racism.

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None of that's true.

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It's really just tribalism.

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And wait, did China invent this?

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Organize all these other groups into race-based groups to then unify them under the Democratic

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Party to attack who is left that tends to be more conservative.

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And that is some white people in this country.

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Oh boy.

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So again, more weird anti-white fantasies out of Alex's imagination.

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I'm going to go ahead and just wait for him to prove that China is making anti-white movies

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and TV shows in order to attack white people by making minority groups join the Democratic

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Party in order to fight white conservatives, something, I don't know, very strange.

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Also a small point, Alex is totally wrong about the UK's voting patterns.

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White people overwhelmingly voted for conservatives and the non-white people in the country mostly

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voted for labor.

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Large cities mostly went for labor like London, which is not 99% white or whatever the fuck

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he's saying.

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I don't even know how to begin.

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Ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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This is, again, Alex trying to make a very racist point, which is his belief that people

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who are anti-racist are only so because they don't live around non-white people.

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This is flagrantly racist stuff that he's blaming on China or something.

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Yeah.

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It's incoherent.

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No.

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I mean, it is so much like I look at people who live in harmony together and I say, ah,

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the only reason you guys do that is because you don't live next to each other.

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And I say that because I don't live next to any of you.

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If you live in a city, that's where all the white nationalists, I mean, but I don't live

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there so I won't go there.

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But that's where they, wait.

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Alex is the same person who freaked out because he saw Muslim women in a pool supply shop.

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Just go to the store.

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Yeah.

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Shut up and go to the store.

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Yeah.

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He's the one who has the problem.

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Oh, they're replacing it.

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Shut up and go to the store.

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Yeah.

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Just shut up.

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Live your life, dickweed.

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Just shut up.

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Yeah.

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I mean, amazing.

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No one cares about your very soft feelings.

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But what if someone not white makes me mean?

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Makes me feel bad.

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No.

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What about China making these anti-white TV shows?

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Oh man.

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What TV shows are these?

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Fresh Prince.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Will Smith.

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All China.

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Yep.

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Um, I'm not sure.

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No specifics are given, so we just assume it's all of these.

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This huge collection of anti-white TV shows could be anything you want.

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Probably anything with a black main character, because that, Alex believes, should have been

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a white main character.

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I was going to say, yeah.

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There's no way that there's just like a regular TGI block, you know?

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You mean like there's a show that's like step-by-step, but the entire show is just about how much

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white people suck?

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Yeah.

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There's no like TGI, there's no like block of like nonstop.

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I'm going to guess there's not.

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That would be, that would be a really, I would watch the shit out of that, to be honest.

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Just be fun.

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So the issue that we come to is that black people and Hispanic people are voting more

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for the GOP and that's making the race-baitors of the Democratic Party freak out.

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Uh oh.

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Though they're panicking because more and more blacks are voting Republican, more and

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more Hispanics are voting Republican, they're starting to figure this out, so now they're

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in panic mode to bring in totally disenfranchised third world populations who are refugees from

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the multi-year lockdowns in Africa, Latin America and Asia and the Middle East.

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They then bring them to UN camps, brainwash them, then bring them to our border, brainwash

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them more, then send them into the United States and then literally hold them for years

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at facilities while they're indoctrinated to be this new political underclass that's

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then going to be turned loose on America.

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And that's why Democrats giving illegal aliens the right to vote in their cities, giving

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them driver's license.

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That's why you see them passing laws.

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They can be police officers.

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So they are importing a new enforcement class against the American people and they're setting

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it up along racial lines, not us making it racial.

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Oh, Hitler made what he's so clever of them.

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So it's the left and the think tanks and the communist Chinese that look at the US and

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have seen our weakness as race and they are exacerbating it.

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So I don't understand.

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So you're you're from Texas.

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You grew up in Texas.

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Your family's been there a long time.

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Texas is changing really fast.

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It's dirty for one thing I notice.

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Whoa.

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Weird shift of topic.

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I weird.

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It's dirty that I don't feel comfortable with whatsoever whatsoever.

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We'll get more into where his thought goes afterwards.

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But I just had to like have a little bit of a break after that clip, because it's like

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what Alex imagines is ridiculous.

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The level of an operation they would need to brainwash immigrants for years in order

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to in numbers that would sway election massive is ridiculous.

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So we're talking hundreds of thousands more than that, at least.

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I mean, if you consider the places where you could make a relevant difference in like the

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electoral vote.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Here's what I would throw out at you.

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All right.

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I would throw out that it is impossible to imagine the words turn loose upon the American

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public while at the same time, while at the same time still including that they would

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have to then get very menial jobs like the rest of us.

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You know, like how do you turn something on a population because they're giving them all

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the free money?

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No, but I mean, they'd be working at like the receptionist at the fucking turn loose

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free money.

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Oh, God.

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But again, this is all I have to pay rent.

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This is all inciting othering and dehumanization of immigrant populations, which is something

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that Alex is very invested in.

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And so all of this bullshit nonsense that he's throwing out is in service of that.

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And when you consider the logistics of what he's just randomly throwing out, no evidence,

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just doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, it's comical in its scale, the kind of project that he

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is discussing.

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Yeah.

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And you know, it is so easy to like, because we're inoculated to it, you know, and overwhelmed

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by it all the time, but it is like a turn loose is such a fucking stupid.

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Somebody could just move into your building, turn loose, turn loose.

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You know, like it's not, it's just people moving.

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It's people moving.

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It's not like, it's not like they've got somewhere else to go along the way.

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There's like, there's a job for them.

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They've got a place to live.

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Now they're your neighbors.

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Nobody's been turned loose.

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They joined you at the club.

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Best case scenario.

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They're coming off five years of globalist brainwashing, I would like to pick that right

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with that.

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And you know what?

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Now that I'm their neighbor, come on over.

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Let's talk about it.

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But that's best case scenario.

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That is best worst case scenario.

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Hezbollah.

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Hezbollah.

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I know.

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I never knew though.

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I knew Hezbollah was coming.

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Yeah.

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You never know.

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And that's why you can always, you can't trust these immigrants.

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If it's Hezbollah, also Austin is dirty.

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So let's get back to that thought.

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All right.

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So I don't understand.

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So you're, you're from Texas.

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You grew up in Texas.

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Your family's been there a long time.

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Texas is changing really fast.

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It's dirty for one thing I notice.

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Because physically dirty, garbage on the side of the road.

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I never have seen that in Texas before.

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So your governor could have stopped that.

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He commands the Texas National Guard.

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Literally?

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What is happening?

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I feel like that makes him a traitor to the country, but what am I missing?

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Well, I mean, governor Abbott is on a scale of one to 10, you know, the best kind of Republican

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governor is a 10 and the worst is say a one.

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And like Illinois, it's a so-called Republican.

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That's really a Democrat.

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I would put Greg Abbott as about a five.

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He is a Democrat.

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The state is overwhelmed.

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There isn't really a state mechanism.

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It's federal to kick people back and deport them.

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So they have put up barbed wire.

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They have tried to stop people.

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They have tried.

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They have to hand them over to the feds who released them.

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But why don't you say the feds are committing a crime.

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They're committing a crime.

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This is not allowed under laws passed by the Congress in a democracy.

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Congress passed laws.

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Ha ha.

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And so you've got criminals running the country.

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The Biden administration is criminal, which is true criminals.

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And we're not we're not playing along.

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And like, if you don't like it, come do something about it.

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Meanwhile, every able bodied man with a black rifle assemble at the border.

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And we're going to stop this and save the country.

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I don't understand.

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Like, that's not hard.

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What?

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What am I missing?

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You're absolutely right.

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In fact, what the deep state fears would be a coalition of good governors, good attorney

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generals, giving them the findings, the rulings that they could indeed do that, deputize armed

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militia to patrol the border and shoot people who try and cross.

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That's great.

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Right.

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So now here's the thing.

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Yeah.

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Alex doesn't realize that Pritzker won.

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Yeah.

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I think he still thinks Rauner is the.

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That's fine.

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But leaving aside his share is a four year old Illinois politics.

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Listen, what are we going to get a different billionaire next year?

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It's fine.

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We'll be all right.

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So leaving that aside, I think that Tucker is legitimately calling people garbage.

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I do agree with you.

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Because otherwise what he's saying doesn't make sense.

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That's what, it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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Yeah.

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He cannot be describing it as there's.

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There's litter.

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It's not.

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There's littering.

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No.

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I mean.

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And that makes Abbott a traitor to the country.

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Come on.

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It is intense dehumanization.

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And I think Alex gets it because he doesn't miss a beat.

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Yeah.

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Going along the same road.

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No.

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Nobody felt like they were confused by Tucker using a synecdoche when it should not be there.

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Yeah, man.

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Yeah.

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Pretty fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Pretty, pretty fucked up.

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You know, because the first thing that I thought, the first thing I thought was the fun little,

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oh, did you know that Don't Mess With Texas was actually to help stop littering.

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Because they didn't want Texas to be.

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That's the first thing you thought about.

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That was the first thing I thought about.

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I was like, whoa.

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Well, that's important.

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Not Tucker.

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Tucker thought people are garbage.

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And then Tucker was like, no, people are garbage.

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And I was like, oh, right.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Also, not a good idea to just arm random people and have them deputized to be malicious

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on the border.

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We've seen a litany of abuses that have been carried out by people who took that upon themselves

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to do.

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A lot of people who were guests on Alex's show over the years, in fact, who have maybe

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kidnapped people at gunpoint.

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We need to compile a list of similar type questions, because they are regularly asked.

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The questions of the like that are like, why don't people do blank?

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Because they're questions that have repeated answers throughout history.

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Yep.

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The same answer.

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Questions we've all answered and moved along from.

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Over and over so many times.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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It's like, this is why we need AI.

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Not for any reason.

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Whenever Tucker says something like that rhetorically, why don't we just, bleh.

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Then the AI went, boom.

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Because in 1908, 300 million people died.

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It wouldn't help.

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It wouldn't help.

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But that's what it is.

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Because the end result is Tucker wants people terrorized.

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Yeah.

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No, that's the idea.

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He wants people who are coming over the border to be terrorized in the ways that it has gone

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wrong when vigilantes have taken this shit upon themselves.

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He wants that in order to dissuade people from coming to the country.

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Yeah.

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He wants floating dead bodies in the Rio Grande to keep people away.

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Yeah.

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I mean, granted, he'd probably be all squeamish about the imagery of that.

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How can we let people do this?

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He would be scandalized by the imagery of it, but the effect of that is essentially

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what he would like to be.

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So the fact that this has an answer doesn't stop him from breathlessly asking the question

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as if there is no answer.

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Naturally.

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Well, the central banks, they want to buy up everything, but people aren't selling,

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so they've got to crush us.

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And this has to do with bringing in immigrants and such.

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This is a mess.

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This is a plan.

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The central banks have unlimited money, but they can't buy all the infrastructure up because

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people aren't selling.

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So they've got to crush us and make people so poor that everybody's forced to sell their

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business, their intellectual property, their physical property.

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But more importantly, to turn over our bodies to them, or a UN treaty that Biden right now

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is Biden is Biden is trying to ratify, would literally put our bodies under the control

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of the United Nations and our medical care policy under it.

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So it's the pandemic pandemic treaty.

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So what this is, is really a breaking of our will, a demoralization.

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That's what the transgenderism is.

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And two men can have a baby and puberty blockers and castrating little boys and cutting little

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girls' breasts off.

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They've got such hellish stuff coming in this designed global collapse to bring in their

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world government that they've got to just have all these horrors out there hoping we

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just throw up our hands and run off to the countryside, which everybody's doing, and

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in a way that's good.

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But at the same time, then they've got full control.

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That's totally right.

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And they're going to march out of the countryside next and dig us out.

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So that's, I mean, you look at the White House press secretary who can barely speak English,

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who's one of the stupidest people I've ever seen, and a transparent liar.

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You wouldn't hire her to run your copy machine.

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She's the White House press secretary.

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Why would you do that?

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And it's not because of her race or who she sleeps with.

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I think the whole point is she's so obviously repulsive that it makes you feel bad about

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the country to see her.

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I mean, that's it.

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What the fuck was that?

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It's very reassuring that Tucker clarified that it's not about race.

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That really makes me more comfortable.

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What the fuck was that?

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Wait, is that, is the White House press secretary a black woman?

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Yeah.

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Oh, well that makes more sense now.

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Yeah.

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Like it was, it makes more sense that he was just being racist as opposed to like, I thought

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he was just being very, very dismissive professionally.

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Well, he's also being that.

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No, no, no.

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Totally.

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For sure.

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For sure that.

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But I mean, as opposed to it being rooted in just a massive hatred for women, it's also

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a hatred for women who are not white.

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Yes.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Mm.

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Double thumbs up.

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Yep.

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Mwah.

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So.

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That's great.

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What is it?

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What is it going to take?

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Is it going to take me inventing a gun that shoots bullets shaped like Sean Spicer?

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Is that what it's going to take for us to just be like, you know what?

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We don't have to make fun of press secretary.

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What are we even doing?

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Was it the mooch?

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What are we doing?

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What are we doing?

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Stop it.

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Stop.

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penetrated the cabinets, to quote Klaus Schwab.

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They've put their operatives in to cut off our energy,

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demoralize us, release the hardened criminals,

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put the political activists in prison,

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continue to cut off the resources to make an angrier world.

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Klaus Schwab says, we're gonna make the world collapse,

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we're gonna have everybody turn against each other,

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we're gonna blame the political classes

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that we own and control, and then when we're done,

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we'll bring in our new solution.

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But first they have to demolish the cultures and societies

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that we had before, with the fentanyl,

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with the open borders, with the demoralization,

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and then they bring in their next phase,

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which is a high-tech, casual society,

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robot, drone-controlled nightmare,

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more than half of the US in their official UN maps,

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that they've had for more than 25 years,

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the rest of my first films,

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show half the US off-limits to humans,

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all cars left to have GPS, everybody by law

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left to have a cell phone at all times,

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Australia just did this last year,

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tried to push it through,

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and that's the admitted global unit

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of standardized plan. Just imagine Tucker saying like,

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ooh!

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Yeah, that's what I saw.

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Every car is a robot kill switch, GPS-controlled,

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California's moving to ban all the, quote, classic cars,

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that's any car that doesn't have a digital ignition,

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and they admit it's for control.

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So if people think things are bad now,

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the straitjacket, the ball and chain is going on,

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it's all being militarily run.

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Our military's great men and women,

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but at the top, our military has been globalist trained.

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Reel it in, Tucker.

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What are we doing?

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Somebody stop this.

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Almost every general, every person under their control,

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and that's why it came out in the UK and Europe,

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and also here in Canada, you pulled the headlines,

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Defense Department purposely scared public

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into lockdowns, masking, and taking inoculations.

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UK headline, British Ministry of Defense

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secretly brainwashed and terrorized public.

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Canada, same headline, they even let you know,

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oh, the military is here to do this.

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And now, oh, the CIA and Justice Department

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is there to help surveil the public to stop disinformation.

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And it turned out, of course,

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almost all that disinformation was true.

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Always.

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About everything, so.

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Always.

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We have to understand, our governments have been seized.

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The big corporations want to get rid of the American idea.

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You got 50 acres in your house and a business and a farm,

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and you can take care of your family,

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and you're independent.

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They have to destroy all that,

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because the rest of the world aspires to that.

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Instead, they want 15-minute cities,

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central bank digital currencies.

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They want all of these systems that track and trace

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everything you do on the social credit scores.

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And the plan for the rest of the public,

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I mean, we're talking 99%, is 250-square-foot

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coffin apartments, 5G bathing you in them,

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literally eating bug protein.

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And I told people 10 years ago,

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they're gonna push bugs on the public,

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because I read it in their white papers.

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Now, it's already in grocery stores all over the U.S.,

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all over Europe, they're putting the cricket meal

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into the food, very toxic.

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Undisclosed, yeah.

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It's got chitin in it, yeah,

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but they'll just give it a number.

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It's got like a code.

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And you ask again, why would you do that?

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Because it's all about breaking our will.

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They don't want people to aspire to open free societies.

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Yeah, there's a lot of waste, there's decadence,

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there's issues, but there's freedom.

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They want to train us to live on carbon rationing,

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food rationing, a very dystopic world.

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You'll own nothing, you'll have nothing,

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and you'll be happy.

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These are quotes.

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I have to say, I bet there are,

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I don't know how long into this we are,

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30 minutes or something,

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I bet there are a lot of people watching

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who are thinking, holy smokes,

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I can't believe I'm agreeing with Alex Jones.

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I'm supposed to hate this guy.

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Like, where's the lie in what you just said?

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I'm not sucking up, I'm sincere.

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Obviously, tricking people into agreeing with Alex

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is the primary function of this interview,

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so it's not surprising to hear Tucker

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attempting to restate the goal here.

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But he asked where the lie was,

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so from that last clip,

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I'm gonna list off the lies that jumped out to me.

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One, Klaus Schwab did not admit

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that they put in operatives to cut off energy,

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demoralize people, et cetera.

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Two, there's not a plan in place

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to release hardened criminals.

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Three, Alex is calling jail time

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for the people who planned the riot on January 6th,

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putting the political activists in prison,

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which is a dishonest framing.

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Nah, fair enough.

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Four, Klaus Schwab didn't say

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that he's going to make the world collapse.

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Five, Klaus Schwab didn't say

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he's going to have everyone turn against each other.

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He really needs a box.

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Six, no one has announced plans

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for high-tech cashless society

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robot drone-controlled nightmares.

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Seven, more than half the United States

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is not slated to be off limits to humans.

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It would be a very strange choice to make.

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Eight, all cars are not legally required to have GPS.

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Nine, Australia did not require

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everyone carry a phone at all times.

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10, no one has announced a plan

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to force everyone to have a cell phone

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if they leave the house.

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11, California is not banning classic cars.

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12, the top of our military

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has not been New World Order globalist trained

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for 30 to 40 years.

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13, not all of the generals are under globalist control.

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14, almost all of the COVID disinformation

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did not turn out to be correct.

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That is also true.

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15, the government does not want to destroy

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the idea of you having a house and a family.

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I don't know if that's true.

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Maybe they do.

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16, the US is not going to have

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a central bank digital currency

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the way Alex understands it.

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Yeah, no.

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17, the US does not have a social credit score

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or anything approximating it.

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Mine's a nine.

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18, there's no plan for 99% of the population

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to live in coffin apartments.

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Where would you sleep?

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19, cricket meal is not toxic.

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20, the bugs that are in your food

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are not there because Klaus Schwab

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wanted you to eat the bugs.

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Eat the bugs.

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But because corporations can't produce food at scale

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without the risk of some bugs

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getting into those regulations.

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It's just how it is, yeah.

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21, you'll own nothing and be happy.

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That quote is entirely out of context.

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That's not even a complete list

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but there are 21 points of dishonesty

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or outright lies from just four minutes of Alex talking.

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I'm sure that Tucker cares about the where's the lie.

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He's not.

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He's pretending that nothing in there is,

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oh, everything you say is real and I agree with it

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and my audience should love it.

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Yeah, I mean, it is a very openly cynical,

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perhaps to a point of creating a black hole

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in so far as just being like,

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none of what you said,

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like looking directly at the camera and saying

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none of what he says means anything.

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I'll just tell you what to think.

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Yeah.

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And I cannot find fault with this man.

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I mean, right?

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Just like-

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That's exactly what Alex said about Putin.

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Right, I mean, it is just like,

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don't force me to listen to Alex make noises

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if all you want is for him to be there

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and then you to point and then go, this good now.

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You should like this.

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Yeah, exactly, just do that.

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Right, I mean-

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Just fucking put him under a jar of glass

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so I don't have to listen to his bullshit.

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Well, here is actually where the interview

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took a little bit of a turn for me.

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And I thought like we're approaching parody level.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So one of the things I find so striking about you

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having watched you on and off over the years,

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and this must be a burden for you personally,

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but your ability to see people at a deeper level

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or to see things in them

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that are not obvious to the rest of us.

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And I wanna give a specific example.

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So there's a guy called Brian Stelter

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who had the media show on CNN.

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I first met Brian Stelter

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when he was a high school student

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or a first year college student

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because he would hang around the show I worked on

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at the time at CNN.

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This was 20 years ago at least.

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And I always thought he was awkward and weird

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and probably had a super creepy personal life,

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but I never took him seriously.

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There's a pretty famous clip,

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and I wanna play it right now,

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of you critiquing Brian Stelter and-

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Don't play a clip of him.

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You take him way more seriously than I ever did

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and I think you're right to.

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He's not gonna do it, is he?

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Pretty famous clip of you on Brian Stelter.

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Hell on earth.

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He wants to run your life.

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He wants to control every aspect of your life

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because he knows he is a cowardly,

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degenerate sack of anti-human trash.

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I pledge before my heavenly father

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that I will resist them every way I can.

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These people are the literal demon spawn

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of the pit of hell.

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Look at him.

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And you know what?

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He is better than you if you keep letting him run your life.

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He runs your kids, he runs the schools, he runs the banks.

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This guy, this spirit, this smiling, leering devil

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that thinks you can't see what he is.

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He is your enemy, period.

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All the narcissistic devil worshiping filth.

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Sure.

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I see you enemy.

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I see you enemy!

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Enemy, enemy!

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You are my enemy!

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And I swear total resistance to you

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with everything I've got.

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Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back, twisted,

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a defiler, a betrayer, a backstabber, a devil!

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You don't think I don't see you, Stelter?

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I see you, you understand me?

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I know what you think of me and my family.

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I see you right back.

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You understand that?

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You understand that, Stelter?

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I mean, I've only watched that several hundred times

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and I laugh every time, but I also,

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there's something to, if Brian Stelter had absolute power,

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would you and your family survive?

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Of course not.

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You wouldn't, you'd be, of course not,

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and neither would mine.

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So there's a lot that's true about what you said.

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How did you perceive that?

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The rest of us just made fun of him.

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This is bordering on parody levels of obsequiousness.

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This is just nuts.

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Ah, that's, he's a twisted, weird, little elf.

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Who?

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Tucker, something, something's going on there.

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It's just disorienting to hear somebody play a clip

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like that where Alex just loses his shit

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about Brian Stelter, then he turns around

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and asks a serious question.

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But you know, this is actually very insightful.

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This is adding onto my pile of things

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where I think Alex had creative control.

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This feels like Alex.

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If, obviously, obviously, if Stelter was a God King,

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you would be dead, clearly.

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Is a, that's, what a straight, what a fucking,

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what a fucking weird, what a weird fucking world view,

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life-think way to fucking fuck off.

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I always dreaded, go somewhere else.

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I always dreaded the notion of McNeil from McNeil Error.

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I always worried about him becoming a God King

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and how I would, my family would not be safe if McNeil,

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if, no, Jim McNeil, no, Jim Lehrer.

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Yeah, Jim Lehrer, I don't remember.

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But yeah, if he became a God King,

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my family would be screwed.

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I mean, like one.

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It's such a bizarre obsession.

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First off, somewhere, somewhere inside,

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you have to know that outside of the very specific context

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that you existed, you don't exist to him.

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You're not real.

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Brian Stelter does not care about you.

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Well, actually, hold on to that thought.

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Oh, God, no.

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For a second.

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There's a part of me, though, that's weird.

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Like, why doesn't Tucker play the clips of Alex rambling

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about how Stelter's a pedophile and stuff like that?

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Why doesn't he, or the, like, literal demons possess him

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and all this shit.

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Why, it's weird that he chose, you know.

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Eh, that one's more fun.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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Betrayer!

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You are my enemy!

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I think it's, I think it's just the depth from where,

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you know, he does have a diaphragm that fucking works.

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The reason that that clip is at all notable,

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or people, like, responded to it at all,

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is because it's fucking hilarious

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that Alex is losing his shit about Brian Stelter.

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It's Brian Stelter.

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Yeah.

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It's Brian Stelter, he does, it's just,

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it's just Brian Stelter, man.

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So now when you say that Brian Stelter

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doesn't think about Alex.

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Also, what is, I don't like,

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I don't like Tucker telling me this personal story

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about Brian Stelter as a young kid,

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and then years later on,

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he's peeing a piece of shit to Brian Stelter then, too?

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Well.

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That's bullying over decades?

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What a fucking asshole!

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Mic down for this next clip,

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because when you're talking about bullying.

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Oh, God.

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I mean, I don't know if you want me to reveal this,

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but we had dinner in our barn last night,

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and there were some drinks,

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and after dinner, you and my producer called Stelter

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on the phone, and what was so,

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and it was on speaker, so I listened to it.

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What was so interesting was,

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you know, you've been very clear

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in a very direct, pretty masculine way, I would say,

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about how you feel about Brian Stelter.

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There's not a lot of confusion

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about your views on Stelter after clips like that,

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which doubtless he seemed,

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because he Googles himself compulsively.

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He was very kind of syrupy sweet with you.

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And that's why I was sarcastic

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and told him I want to date him.

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You did, yeah.

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In fact, the exact line that you had was,

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Brian, I'm not usually gay, but I want you.

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And he seemed a little bit,

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I'm not saying he's open to it or whatever,

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but he wasn't shocked by it.

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And he's like, give me your phone number.

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Give me, you know, I'll talk to you.

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Yeah.

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And then he hit your producer up,

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please give me his number right now.

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Yeah, that was interesting.

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But I was being silly with him,

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but there was also a line.

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He goes, oh, Alex Jones.

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I said, I want you to call my show.

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And he said, oh, you still got a show?

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And I went, no, you're the one that doesn't have a show.

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And then, sorry, I said it's so-

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Tell him the other line.

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It's so boorish to like recount conversations

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people were witnessing.

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It was funny though.

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But you said, you know, you're off TV now,

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but you were a real star.

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I mean, not on CNN, but on my show.

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Oh, that was so good.

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And then there was the point when you said,

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is your refrigerator running?

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And then he said, you should go catch it.

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Oh man, that was classic.

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These are adults.

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Alex is 50.

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They got drunk and pranked

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cold Brian Stelter the night before this.

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See, I'm, that's fun.

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I'm stoked about that.

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I'm not.

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Them telling this story is the sad-

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It's very sad.

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One, on record, I don't like telling,

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I guess you had to be there stories.

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No.

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And I definitely don't want to,

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I don't want me telling one to be recorded.

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Sure.

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You know what I'm saying?

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It's a little tacky.

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Like just don't broadcast that.

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Don't broadcast you enjoying a story

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that other people can't enjoy.

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Isn't your bright spot, you and Elfring telling a bunch

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of you had to be there stories?

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No, no, no, no.

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Those are charming fun stories.

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All of my, I guess you had to be there stories

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are boring and sad and I leave them alone.

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Fair enough.

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There's a difference.

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Yeah, yeah, there's a huge difference.

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There's, yeah, you go on the road, there's stories.

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I disagree with you that it's cool and fine

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that these two adults got drunk and pranked

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cold Brian Stelter.

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Yes, we could disagree on that.

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I think contextually-

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I feel like that's a little embarrassing.

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I agree with you.

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And these are children.

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I agree.

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But what I think is we should all be children.

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I've had Alex's phone number for years.

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I could have prank called him at any point.

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Right, that's true.

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But that wouldn't have been fun.

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No.

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That wouldn't have been fun.

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And they didn't even have fun.

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That's the other, that's what it is.

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They're having fun now talking about it

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because they're creating a scenario where they did have fun,

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which is not the scenario that actually went down.

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Probably not.

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Brian Stelter fucking made Alex pissed off

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by making a joke about how Alex doesn't have a show anymore

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before Alex could make a joke-

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And-

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About how Stelter doesn't have a show anymore.

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So they've rewritten this whole thing

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and now they can laugh about how actually we're the ones

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who are twice as clever and funny as everybody else.

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And can you imagine just being home,

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minding your own business,

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and then drunkenly Tucker's producer calls you

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and boop, it's Alex drunk on the other end of the line

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telling you that he wants to fuck you?

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Yes!

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That sounds reasonable, right?

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It's a weird night.

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It does, but it does seem like a night

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where somebody gets in the phone and you're like,

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oh yeah, oh, Alex is drunk and calling me.

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That's, I'm Brian Stelter, this sounds right.

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And then you hang up and you move on with your life.

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It's ridiculous.

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Fucking stupid.

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So Tucker is shocked that Stelter would be so kind

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and so nice on the phone when Alex has been so mean to him

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instead of looking at this as a man

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who's capable of forgiveness and understand-

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Nope.

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If Stelter was God, you would be dead.

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Because Stelter's nice on the phone,

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he's weak.

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Enemy.

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Betrayer.

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If someone had talked about you that way

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and then called you late night after a couple of drinks,

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you'd say, you know, up yours, pal.

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You know what I mean?

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Like buzz off or I'm not taking your call.

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But he kind of sucked up to you.

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That's a very weird, passive aggressive posture.

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Well, I've said a lot of really mean things about him

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and attacked him.

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And when I watch the clips out of context, I feel guilty.

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But he was going around with Oliver Darcy.

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They would brag on Twitter

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and literally hitting hundreds of my sponsors.

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And I say hundreds, I'd have like 20.

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They take them all.

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I get 20 more, take them all.

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This went on for years.

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So you go get a sponsor, you get them, they're doing great.

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He takes it away from you.

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And then he brags to him.

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I was taken off Twitter,

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not for the Sandy Hook stuff that came later

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that they focused on.

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Look it up.

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They had the former head of Twitter

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and the lawyer on Joe Rogan about four years ago.

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And Joe said, why did you ban Alex Jones?

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The lawyer goes, okay, let me open my clipboard.

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She goes, here's why.

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He was mean to Oliver Darcy.

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So I'm at the Capitol.

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They're having censorship hearings.

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Sundar Pichai is there.

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I just confronted him in the hall.

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Who runs Google.

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And you guys are welcome to use that if you want.

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And then that was at the Senate.

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So now they were going over to our house meeting

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and there's Oliver Darcy in the line.

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He gets to get in.

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I don't even get into a hearing

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where they then attacked me.

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They'd attacked me at the last hearing,

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but I don't get to face my accuser.

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And so I get in his face.

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I don't threaten him, but I say, you are an evil man.

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You're un-American coming after my free speech,

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harassing my sponsors, trying to get me off the internet.

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And the last place I was on was Twitter.

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They'd held out.

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And so Jack Dorsey had held out.

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And so Jack Dorsey admitted,

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well, the last straw was I bullied Oliver Darcy.

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And so that's why I was deplatformed.

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Elon Musk thinks it was the Sandy Hook thing.

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And then noticed-

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Do you know that in most cultures,

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bullying Oliver Darcy would be like a rite of passage.

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Like you couldn't, like that would be a positive good,

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right?

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Boo!

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He's literally on Twitter taking my sponsors,

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calling for me to be silenced.

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So this is all a load of shit.

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And the biggest part of it that's ridiculous

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is the idea that Stelter and Darcy

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were just constantly taking Alex's sponsors away.

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Alex would get new sponsors

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and they'd come along and muck it all up.

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The reason this is idiotic

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is that Alex's business model is specifically set up

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to insulate himself from this kind of pressure campaign.

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His primary sponsors are his own products.

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And the outside groups that work with him

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are run by zealots like himself.

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They would never care what these dudes say.

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My Patriot supply isn't going anywhere.

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This is by design.

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He knows that he says stuff that's going to anger people

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and people are going to be able to exert economic pressure.

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That's why from the beginning,

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before he decided he needed more money

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and wanted to branch out even larger,

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he had Genesis Communications Network

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that was run by Ted Anderson,

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who also ran Midas Resources.

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Ted Anderson very explicitly laid it out

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that they were a one talent business

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in terms of they had, what was it?

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Genesis Communications needed sponsors

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and Midas Resources needed to advertise.

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And so they worked hand in glove with each other.

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Alex had just that and the couple of weirdos

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like the Limerick soap guy that would come in.

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That was it.

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They designed a system where public pressure

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could not get rid of sponsors.

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To be clear, let's just reinforce what that means

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is that these two arch capitalists

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have specifically gone out of their way

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to protect themselves from what capitalism would do to them

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if it were allowed to go unchecked.

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They were trying to protect themselves

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from the forces of the free market

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because they knew that they would anger

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and run afoul of it.

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So it's not always a good thing.

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Not really.

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So this is a real concern

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that other much more successful shows have to worry about.

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Tucker had to deal with it on Fox

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where there was a pressure campaign applied

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to get his sponsors to drop their support of his show.

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And Alex wants to get in on that

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by pretending that that was a worry he had as well.

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The second thing there is that Alex

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is not quite getting the reason

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that he was kicked off Twitter correct.

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It may well have been that the time

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that he confronted Oliver Darcy

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was when the getting kicked off happened.

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And it may even be the case that that was the last straw,

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but that wasn't the sole reason.

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There were three primary reasons

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that Twitter's lawyer, Vijaya Gadde, gave on Rogan

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for removing Alex from Twitter.

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The first is that he'd received multiple strikes

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to his account for posting things like a video

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of a giant man punching an 11 year old girl in the face.

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He received other strikes for behavior

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that came up in the line of inciting harassment,

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it was right on that line,

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against individuals in his posts and on Periscope broadcasts

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and the interaction with Oliver Darcy

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was possibly a tipping point in that.

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This wasn't a political or journalistic confrontation

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that Alex made with Darcy

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and the people at Twitter, I believe correctly,

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assessed it to be an act of targeted harassment.

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Alex was doing this as a performance

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to incite further abuse and harassment

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to be directed at Darcy,

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which Twitter didn't feel like

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was an appropriate use of their site.

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Alex can oversimplify this all he wants,

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but the truth is that when all the other companies

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kicked him off, Twitter didn't.

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He had every chance to maintain his Twitter account

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despite him being a loathsome piece of shit

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and he couldn't even manage that.

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At that time, there was a real feeling

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that Alex was trying to get himself kicked off Twitter

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because this I've been silenced shtick

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doesn't really work well when people can just respond,

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you're still on Twitter.

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At that point, being kicked off stuff

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was becoming to be seen as like a mark of valor

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for people in the extreme right wing as well

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and Alex has been pretty zealous

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about making that his brand.

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He got exactly what he wanted

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and now he's complaining about getting it,

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which is ridiculous.

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But you know, he's a victim.

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He's a victim of the forces that are aligned against him.

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Yeah, something like that.

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And Tucker, it's his big thing on this episode

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to reinforce that and push it.

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So what's the effect on you?

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And I don't mean even the lawsuits against you

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and there was an effort to criminally indict you,

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I guess, just for having bad opinions or whatever.

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A bunch of them, actually.

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A bunch of them, yeah.

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I've had four injuries I've had to respond to,

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subpoenas about my lawyer.

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When you've committed no crime,

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you're like one of the only people in the media

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who's not ginning up race hatred.

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I would say, just to be totally clear,

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because it's very common to do that.

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You don't do that.

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And so anyway, and then of course,

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this billion dollar judgment against you

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for having naughty opinions, which is insane.

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I really think that Tucker is saying

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that Alex doesn't incite racial hatred over and over again.

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He's protesting a little too much.

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Maybe hitting that gong a couple too many times.

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Hey, not like you.

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You don't do that.

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What I'm talking about,

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it's really easy for other people to do.

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It's super easy to do.

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It's so easy to do that.

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Everyone else does it.

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And in fact, people do it so much

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that you might do it and people will hear it

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and think that you're doing it, but you're not doing it.

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No, no, no, no.

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No, no, no.

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Because you don't do that.

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No.

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You're one of the only who doesn't.

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You want to.

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You're so great.

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But actually, you don't even want to.

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That's how great you are.

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You don't even want to do that thing that you want to do.

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Yep.

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Alex absolutely has not been subpoenaed to four grand juries

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and to the extent there have been any grand juries

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that he's been called to, it's to provide testimony.

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They weren't trying to indict him.

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This is all just a load of shit

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meant to convey the idea that Alex is a victim.

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Everything is about downplaying Alex for Tucker.

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He has to constantly say that Alex

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doesn't incite race hatred, which is definitely untrue.

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Tucker is trying to reassure his audience

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that Alex isn't a racist

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because there's a large percentage of his viewers

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who haven't come to terms with the fact

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that they love racists.

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They're on their path there,

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but they haven't quite gotten there yet.

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Yeah.

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Also, the Sandy Hook case has to be presented

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as being about Alex having naughty opinions

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because presenting it as it really is

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would make Alex look really bad.

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Tucker literally could do,

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he couldn't do this interview successfully

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if he took that case seriously

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if he did the cursory research he's obligated to do

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and heard the experiences of the plaintiffs.

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That case wasn't about Alex having naughty opinions.

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It was about his concrete actions

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that caused family members of murder victims

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to be terrorized.

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And Alex has claimed that he was drunk on air

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when he was making the claims about them,

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so please, Tucker, show Alex as he is,

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not the construct you want to make him out to be.

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This is pathetic, this childish level of,

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look at the fake version of this man

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that I want you to admire.

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Yeah.

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I really feel like that we should be smart enough

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to get past the whole,

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I mean, okay, how about this?

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All right.

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The idea of a trial is that on neutral playing field,

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facts and reality have sway,

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cannot be fought back against,

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and people without influence or bias

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given the correct and accurate information

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will make a good decision, right?

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That's the idea of justice.

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It's about as good as we got, right?

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If all of that happens over the course of like six years,

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over the course of however many things,

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over all of this bullshit, and at the end of all of that,

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those 12 people come back

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with one and a half billion fucking dollars,

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everybody should just go, shit, that's a lot.

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Maybe we'll just leave this one alone.

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Well, no, because it's all rigged.

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No, I mean, and listen, winning a,

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fucking Putin isn't going to win an election

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by 1.5 billion votes, that's unreasonable.

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Only a ridiculous dictator would win by 1.5 billion.

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It's so ridiculous that you would have to believe

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that Alex is an asshole.

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You have to.

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Maybe, or maybe it's all rigged.

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No!

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No!

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Every election is fucking fraud.

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That's true.

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Because sometimes your candidates might lose an election

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and you need a rationalization for why.

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They actually won, they secretly won, but it was stolen.

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So every election is stolen from now on.

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Every court case is rigged from now on

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because sometimes the people that you like lose cases

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and you don't want to let that color

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the way that you look at them.

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You don't want to have to deal with the fact

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that Alex is a giant piece of shit

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and did stuff that really caused serious drama

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to these people.

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No, it was a rigged case.

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And they're just trying to punish him

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for having naughty opinions.

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Right, right.

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Because I like you because of the things

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that you remind me of me about.

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And then whenever I see you getting punished

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for those things, then it makes me think

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that maybe I'll be punished for doing those things.

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Oh no.

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So here's a real insightful question

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that Tucker jumps to.

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What's that?

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Just the chops on this guy.

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What's it like to spend 25, 30 years connecting the dots

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and seeing this slow moving storm

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come toward the country that you were born in?

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What effect does it have on you?

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Since you use the analogy of a storm,

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it'd be like if I was 100 years ago before they had radar

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and I've read about the famous flood 120 some years ago

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in Galveston that killed tens of thousands of people.

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Yeah, the hurricane, yeah.

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Yeah, the hurricane.

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They didn't have radar.

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And so they didn't know.

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But they're the fishermen out there

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catching shrimp or whatever.

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And then all of a sudden here comes basically a tidal wave.

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And if I was one of those fishermen

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and I knew my children and my wife were on shore

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at school or work or whatever,

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and here comes a 40, 50 foot wave.

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I know it's about to kill them.

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I would not be thinking about myself

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watching this giant wave come in.

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I'd go, oh my God, my wife and kids are over there.

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And so it's not that I'm a hero.

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It's not even a selflessness.

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I realized that I was just out in front

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and ahead of some people in understanding this

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because of family and research and just things in my life

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that I saw that encouraged me to get involved in the media

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because I was aware of the global,

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some things that were going on

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because my uncle was high level Iran Contra,

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had some other family that worked in clandestine tanks.

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So I kind of grew up just around folks

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that knew what was really going on.

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Wait, your uncle was high level Iran Contra?

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I thought he was just running an airport.

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He wasn't involved in the dirty stuff.

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Oh, well.

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It's real bad.

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It's real bad.

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It's fun that this interview just takes for granted now

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that Alex is right about the idiotic shit he says.

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We just jumped to that.

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Oh yeah.

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So why isn't Alex saying what he normally does on his show?

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Like where are the shout outs to the John Birch Society

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who formed the basis for Alex's political ideology?

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Where's the talk about God giving Alex a prophetic vision

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as a child that laid out the full spectrum awareness

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of history in the world?

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Where's the talk about periodic downloads from God

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over chicken fried steak?

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Alex doesn't get into that stuff

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because he knows what he's doing here.

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That kind of talk would make him look insane

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to a new viewer and this interview is all about

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putting on the freshest, most respectable face possible

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for Alex to present to potential new viewers.

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Crying about the devil and all that shit,

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that's for initiated viewers to keep them interested

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and spiritually bully them into sending you more money.

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It's a tool that has no use for new eyes though.

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So Tucker is just talking to this curated,

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watered down version of Alex.

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He's like a bad boy, school, drug addict bully

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who puts on a tie and gets a haircut to meet

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his new girlfriend's parents.

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It's ridiculous.

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Anyone who knows the bully guy sees past the haircut.

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Anybody who knows anything about Alex looks at this

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and is like, why is he not presenting himself as he is?

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This is ridiculous.

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This is like, this has got to be,

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like I imagine if I'm watching this

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in a way that I can respond to it,

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that I'm already aware of Tucker and Alex

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and I've already made up my mind or anything.

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I imagine somebody walking by the Scientology Center

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if they have nothing to, their shitty day,

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you know this stuff.

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The whole stuff that makes you,

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when you walk by a Scientology Center

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and see a bright smiling face and somebody say hi,

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can I help you?

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That makes you go in.

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This has to be that kind of going clear moment

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for so many people because you obviously don't join

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the Sea Org, you don't go straight from,

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I had a bad day at work and my boss is an asshole

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to like, yeah, slavery is fine.

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You know, like it takes a bit, you know?

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Yeah, by degrees.

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It is strange though, because I don't know how it is,

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like if Infowars is the Sea Org that we're getting to

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in this analogy, right?

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What would make you want to join Infowars from this

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interview, do you know what I mean?

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What would make you join the Sea Org from this interview?

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I don't feel it.

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Well, maybe you don't, but.

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I mean, that's what I'm saying.

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If you put yourself in the shoes of somebody

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who really likes Tucker and you have Tucker

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presenting this guy as a prophet, essentially.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that you should not trust your own instincts

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and anything you've heard about this guy.

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Sure.

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That might at least make you curious.

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And if you get lucky and you go over to his show,

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maybe it's not one of the days where he fake cries

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and quits on air.

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Maybe it's not, and then.

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That is a gamble, that is a good point.

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So no, I mean, I think that the credibility

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that Tucker is giving him by presenting him like this

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and saying the things he does about him

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and acting so blown away, I think that gets you on the boat.

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Oof, man.

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Don't join the Sea Org.

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No, it's not a good idea.

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No.

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So Alex goes on to ranting about some of his nightmare,

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dystopian future ideas.

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But the globalists have gone from testing phase,

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beta test phase, into full operational now.

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And they say, read their writings,

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we are going to have a post-industrial world by 2030.

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We will have no personal cars by 2030.

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You will be eating bugs by 2030.

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And we will start the depopulation

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of 90% of the people by 2045.

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That is the official WF, official UN,

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official Club of Rome plan.

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What do you mean the depopulation?

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They want to bring the world population

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down to 500 million.

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But I thought we're going to go to genocide.

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No or no?

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I guess we're not.

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Well, you know, we're told now

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we're going to have children that's bad for the earth.

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And we're told all this, and Elon Musk is right,

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and is a hero for pointing out all the actuary show.

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If you don't have 2.1 children, a man and a woman,

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people go, well, a man and a woman can have 2.1.

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It's in the aggregate, folks, out of billions.

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If a country doesn't have 2.1, 2.2 replacement rate,

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then you don't have people to take care of the old folks.

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Society collapses.

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And so Japan's 1.3, Italy's 1.3.

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They're done as cultures.

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America without immigrant influx is about 1.6.

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That's not viable.

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And so, and I'm just talking about white people only here,

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but white people are 7% of the world population, maybe eight.

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And so I would be sad if-

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So it's almost like they're not that important?

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I mean, I'm sad that the Japanese, within 100 years,

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there might be 20 million of them.

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But just to my previous question about,

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and without getting too personal, but like,

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I mean, I feel a little bit enervated and down

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just hearing your dot connecting here.

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Like what's the effect on you over 25 years?

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Hey buddy, I don't want to talk about

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demographic stuff with you right now,

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because I'm pretty sure this is going to get

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much more racist than I generally-

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Let's go into specifics about how many of each race

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I want to live at any given point in time.

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Japanese 900, wait.

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Yeah, I feel like Tucker was trying to ask him

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what effect this has on him.

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What does it feel like to be so ahead of the curve

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and so right?

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Let's do the racial breakdown of how the world

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is going to come down after the club of Rome.

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Yeah, okay, let's not do that.

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I was wondering how do you feel?

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Gently move this back.

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How do you feel?

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Right, so here we go with another attempt at that question.

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What's the effect on you over 25 years?

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I mean, if you literally foresee 9-11 before it happens

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and you did, and it can be proven, we just proved it.

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Like what is that- Proved.

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Boo!

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To live with that weird ability?

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Well, I mean, I know a specific clip,

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I specifically say, call the White House,

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tell them we know they're going to let Al Qaeda

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attack us, bin Laden, and then take our rights.

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And I say, call the White House.

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I put the number out, so I put the money where my mouth was.

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And that's the only time I ever said call the White House

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and tell them to stop a particular event.

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I'm now saying we need to call the White House and say,

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you've let tens of thousands of military age men

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of the Middle East in.

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We know a lot of them are Hezbollah and Hamas.

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The FBI has confirmed that.

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And so, when and if there's big terror attacks,

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which I believe will probably happen in America,

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we're not going to have Homeland Security to get more funds

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and more power and grope us at the airports more.

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I want prison time for the agencies and groups

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that have allowed this.

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And I want Biden impeached now, okay?

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Okay, there's no answer to Tucker's question

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about what effect this prophetic power has had on Alex

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over the years, because it hasn't had any effect.

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Alex doesn't actually think he has this gift,

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or at least to any extent that he does,

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it's a function of his delusions.

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And they're not delusions that he reflects on.

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The whole Alex Jones was right about his predictions thing

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isn't real, it's a marketing campaign.

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And it relies on out of context,

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manipulatively edited short clips

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where Alex is actually wrong.

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It's a game, and if you actually believe it,

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you're the mark in the scam.

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Since Alex has no insight into how he's dealt

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with being a prophet, the only place he can really go

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is inciting against immigrants, apparently.

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Also, for what it's worth, Alex has absolutely said

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to call the White House about a ton of shit.

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He's pretending that he only said it once

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and it was about 9-11, so this new anti-immigrant

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talking point holds more weight.

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But that's just another trick.

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On May 5th, 2011, he told the audience

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to call the White House because the globalists

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were going to set off a dirty bomb.

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On December 26th, 2012, he told the audience

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to call the White House because Obama stole

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the last election, which Alex claims he never has said,

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and the globalists were gonna come take all the guns.

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On August 5th, 2009, Alex told the audience

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to call the White House because the globalists

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were gonna attack the public with a bioweapon,

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which turned out to be SARS, in basically a cold run

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of the narratives that he's now doing about COVID.

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Everything old is new again.

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On November 12th, 2014, he told the audience

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to call the White House because the globalists

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were gonna attack the public with a bioweapon,

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this time Ebola, trying to do that routine again.

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Throughout that stretch in 2019,

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Alex was constantly telling the audience

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to call the White House to get Trump to pardon Roger Stone.

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On September 8th, 2009, Alex told the audience

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to call the White House to tell Obama

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to meet with Charlie Sheen.

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The point is that Alex does this shit all the time,

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and he lies about not doing it to give whatever narrative

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he's covering at the moment undeserved weight.

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He's a liar and a con man, running this con

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with expert assistance from Tucker.

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I mean, Tucker could not be doing a better job

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of helping prop up Alex's scammy bullshit.

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It is really a two man game.

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Right now, it's kind of almost disgustingly

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fucking find the lucky lady ass shit.

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Like this is, yeah, wow.

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So Alex does finally get around to answering the question

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of what it is like to deal with being so right for so long.

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Bad.

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And you asked the question,

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this has really taken a toll on me,

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not the fake lawsuits, not the weaponization,

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not the platforming.

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I was already getting exhausted five, six years ago.

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And when I married my second wife, it was amazing.

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I have three children, my previous wife,

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and they're all great children, and one with her.

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We were in Hawaii getting married like seven years ago.

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And I said to her, I said, I want to just write books

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and make documentary films,

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and maybe even occasional podcasts.

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But at that time, I'd been on air like 20, 22 years,

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six days a week, three hours a day at least.

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And I said, I just don't want this burden, this big crew.

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I love the crew, but I don't want to do this anymore.

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I said, I want to move the country.

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And I want to just, you know,

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the business is taking a physical toll

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to every day, look at the stuff.

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And now I've gotten the point,

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which even though I say don't let them break your will,

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don't let them demoralize you,

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that's because I understand the process.

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It's happened to me.

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Used to, I'd have hundreds of incredible stories

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and clips every day.

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I couldn't wait to expose the bad guys.

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Now I look at it once, I'm ready, I study it.

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And then half the time I get on air

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and I just go, let's just take calls.

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Or I start talking about some fun story

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just because I mentally cannot sit there

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and stare into the abyss.

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Or I quit on air.

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I mean.

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Or the other press secretary

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that's meant to enrage us and demoralize us.

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And I think that's a defense mechanism that's healthy.

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So I think we all have to be balanced.

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And I'm not mad about the press secretary

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because she's black.

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Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

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If I, it's a good thing he doesn't have a boss.

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Yeah.

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Cause if I was his boss and I just heard him say,

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I can't do my job anymore, I don't like it

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and my heart isn't in it and I want to quit.

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I'd be like, okay, cool.

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Then let's start finding you.

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Yeah.

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And it's all a load of shit.

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He's acting like, oh, I'm so passionate about writing books

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but you don't even write the books that you write.

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You don't do shit.

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You don't do anything.

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You don't even do an occasional podcast.

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I love the way he's presenting the current workflow though

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as being a result of not wanting to look into the abyss.

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As opposed to, he's just gotten lazy

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and he currently relies on narratives

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and talking points that require no actual preparation.

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Underneath what he's talking about is bullshit.

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He knows that.

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So why study the bullshit?

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Just make up whatever you want.

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Most of the time Alex will just see a tweet posted

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by someone like Jack Pessobic

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and then yell about what he imagines

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the attached article says.

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And that's fine.

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That's what his audience want.

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And they don't expect more from him.

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If Alex wanted to, he could sit down

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and do hard hitting shows about the evils of the globalists

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but that's too difficult.

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The audience doesn't want depth anyway.

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They just want the catharsis

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of watching an emotional outburst

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that includes the kind of bigotries that they enjoy

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and buzzwords that resonate with them.

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And Alex provides that for them.

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So why try harder?

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He'd be an idiot if he tried harder.

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Yeah, it would be, well, I mean, he'd lose his job.

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It's a waste.

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Yeah.

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It's a waste of effort.

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You'd be providing the thing

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the audience doesn't actually want.

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Yeah, I mean, it's counterproductive.

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Yes. Yeah.

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So the globalists, they want death.

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That's what they want.

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Sure.

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And this clip is stupid.

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The globalists are so scared of death.

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They have all this money, all this power, all this control.

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So they're obsessed with finding life extension technology

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merging with machines, becoming gods.

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That's their new religion.

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That's the transhumanism.

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And that's where all their funding goes.

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But that's only one side of the coin.

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The other side is that if you're going to be God

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you've got to be in charge of death.

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So because they fear death and they project their hatred

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of themselves onto us, then if they can poison us,

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dumb us down, sterilize us, depopulate us,

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they believe that's more for them at a very greedy level.

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So they want to be death, the destroyer of worlds,

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to quote Oppenheimer, I become death, destroyer of worlds.

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And at the same time, cheat death.

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So it's a total subconscious observation.

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Oppenheimer came up with that quote?

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Instead of consciously focusing on it, getting over it,

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instead they turn it loose

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to their animal lower alligator brain.

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And are now manifesting all this

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because they've not embraced

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the higher level of understanding.

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I agree with that completely.

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What?

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So why isn't Alex explaining to Tucker

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that transdimensional beings told the globalists

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that they need to kill everyone off?

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That's a really big part of Alex's worldview.

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It's so weird that Alex doesn't bring up

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how the globalists want to kill everyone

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because that was part of their pact with the literal devil.

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And that the people who they kill

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are sacrifices to feed the planet Saturn,

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which may or may not be a portal to hell.

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That's right, I remember that one.

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Yeah, oh wait, I remember.

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Alex is trying to present the cleaned up version

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of himself here.

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So he leaves those explicitly crazy beliefs at home

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to avoid scaring off potential new customers.

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This is just a ridiculous charade.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and even more so now

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because like when you say that,

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now we're having this conversation.

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We're listening to this interview.

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And when he says the one that we agree

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is the cleaned up version,

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that sounds way crazier to me

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than if he's just like,

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oh yeah, the devil made me do it.

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I'm like, oh, thank God, the devil.

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That at least doesn't make sense, right?

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We can deal with stuff not making sense.

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Whenever you try and make sense out of it,

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that's fucking insane.

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Yeah, they fear death, but want to control death.

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Nope, stop right there, you are done.

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It's the devil, hooray, yes, got it.

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I'm on board, we're back in.

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So I'm gonna jump around here a little bit

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because there's just long stretches where Alex is rambling

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and it's all just stuff we've talked about before.

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Yeah.

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So I'm gonna jump here to the part where Alex is,

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they're in a bit of a plug section because-

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Oh my God, of course.

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Why didn't I assume that there would be a whole chunk?

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Yeah, Tucker's asking about the supplements you sell.

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Sure.

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And then we're gonna start this clip in Media Res

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where Alex is talking about his book and how great it is.

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Right.

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And then this leads to the whiskey incident.

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How do decent people prevail?

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They believe they can push it by deception.

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That's why if people are aware

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of why they're cutting off the fertilizer

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to collapse the third world,

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to then flood us with those giant populations,

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they will then control and give voting rights to.

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And if you don't want to give them voting rights,

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then you're a racist.

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See, that's why the lockdown's biggest crime

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wasn't just the 80 plus million the UN estimates

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starved to death the last three and a half years.

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On top of the normal 15 million

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they starve to death each year, you looked this up.

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They then use those giant masses of people

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that are fleeing total collapse

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as their new political underclass.

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So that's why it's so vital to not just challenge

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the great reset and the new world order,

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eugenics operation of the transhumanist,

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it's vital to then give an alternative plan

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and to have an alternative debate about that plan.

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And that's what the great awakening gets into.

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So, but if you give up on that, you also sell bourbon.

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Man, you are really being nice here today, Tucker.

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Well, you know why?

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You know, I hate selling products,

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but I like this product because I love the name.

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Look at this right here.

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This, my friends, is a gift to your crew

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because I know they drank,

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I had some drinks with them last night

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when we called Bronx Delta.

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Some of the crew does drink.

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Yes, that's true.

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So this is for you.

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We've got a few other bottles for you out there.

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Sounds like you can't even open this thing.

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This thing was sealed.

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Maybe you got locked on the airplane.

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Anyways, can somebody open this?

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I'm like, you're embarrassing.

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I don't know, hold on.

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I think that the center thing,

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I don't travel with guns very often,

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so I don't know how to operate these.

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I'm gonna smash this son of a bitch up.

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Ooh, watch yourself.

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Ah, ah, there we go.

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Son of a bitch.

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All right, goddammit.

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Look at that, it doesn't come like this in stores.

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I'm gonna kill the people that come up with this.

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Swap that into the studio.

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We're rolling.

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All right, we're rolling.

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All right, we're rolling.

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I don't think that plug should be that.

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Oh my God.

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I got a lot of points when he gets here.

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Okay, that was amazing.

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This whiskey does not come with a hatchet to open it

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or a blacklight, but if you,

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does it come with a blacklight?

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No, but if you have one.

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But if you have a blacklight,

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by the way, I don't think I've ever sold a product

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on the air, but I'm proud to say.

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We appreciate you supporting us.

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Come on, I'm totally all about it.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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I think that it felt forced.

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It couldn't try a little harder to open this case.

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It felt like, well, there's nothing,

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like I said, there's nothing really exciting happening.

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There's no like meme-able moment or something.

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Yeah.

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And so it just feels like you kind of needed it.

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And the guy going like, we're rolling.

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It kind of makes it feel like this feels a little produced.

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I mean, what it feels is the wrong amount

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of produced though.

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It's the wrong amount.

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It's the amount of produced where somebody thought,

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hey, this is a good idea.

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They remembered times people have done bits similar

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to this in the past and they assumed, fuck it.

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I'll just do one of those without ever actually

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doing any of the leg work.

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It doesn't feel chaotic, really.

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Nope.

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It feels like it's supposed to feel chaotic.

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Right.

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It doesn't really.

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It's inorganic.

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Yeah, if you want to do the bit like that,

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then you have to make it a bit.

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Alex needs to cut the actual whiskey bottle

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open with the hatchet.

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You need to do the fucking thing, man.

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Drink the glass, Tucker.

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Yeah, I mean, it's just a, listen,

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if you want to go over the top, then do it.

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Alex drunkenly throwing hatchets at his own camera

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on Christmas Eve.

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Yes.

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That's chaotic energy.

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That's chaos.

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This is not.

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This is weak.

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Yeah.

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So after they do their plugs, they get to talking about Biden

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and how he's an old loonie man.

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Oh, man.

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They don't get into the part about him plumping, though.

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He has bags of blood.

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What?

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Oh, come on.

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10 bags of blood.

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I want more blood bag.

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He's plumping, for sure.

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Related material.

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Turns out he walks around the White House naked,

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and he's on drugs.

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Fun.

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I actually have a contact for you.

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I'll actually be able to hear it from them.

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But when this is over, I'll let you actually

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hear it from yourself.

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I think they'll tell you off record.

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I think they're willing to talk to you.

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But yeah, he is completely out of his mind.

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He wanders around for the entire two and a half years.

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It's getting worse.

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Naked in the White House.

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He's even more naked now.

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In the middle of the night, doesn't know who he is.

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They get a bunch of drugs, a bunch of amphetamines

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in the morning, then they've got a drugging at night.

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Sometimes he's got to, though, he'll

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like be out for the morning for a while,

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then he comes back out at night for a ball.

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That's when there's a real problem.

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He is on drugs.

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I have established that.

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I know someone who witnessed it.

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I'm not guessing at this.

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I know someone personally who witnessed him.

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Witnessed him.

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Taking amphetamines.

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This was during the 2020 election.

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So how's this going to go?

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That's huge.

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I know you don't play games.

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You've been proven.

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No, I don't play games with this.

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No games.

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No games.

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You said the NSA spying on me, high level,

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and then a month later they went, yes,

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we're spying on Tucker Carlson.

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Yeah, I know.

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So you don't make stuff up.

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And so what I'm saying here is Biden's a liability for him.

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Trump's a liability.

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What do they do?

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They have a right winger they'll claim, assassinate Biden,

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and they'll have a left winger assassinate Trump.

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That then gets the country even in more

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of a fight against each other.

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And then they put in Gavin Newsom and somebody

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like Mike Pence or who knows.

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But I really think the next 13 months

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is the most critical time, not just in American history,

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but world history.

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He's plumping.

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He's taking amphetamines.

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He's walking around naked.

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And so the globalists have got to kill him and Trump

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in order to get Gavin Newsom and Mike Pence a unity

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ticket that no one is into.

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I can't imagine something less interesting

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to the entirety of the United States

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than Gavin Newsom, Mike Pence run in your country.

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Yeah.

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Also, Alex usually says Michelle Obama, but calls her Big Mike.

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And I think that maybe Alex isn't sure if that flies here.

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So he's going just with Gavin Newsom and Mike Pence.

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Yeah, I was going to say.

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So I feel like he's silly to be concerned.

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All sorts of bigotry clearly flies here.

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There's no need for decorum.

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How alive is, like, what's the distance between, like,

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Weekend at Bernie's 2 and where we're at as far as?

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We're so far past it.

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So, well, I mean, no, all I'm saying, OK,

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so Weekend at Bernie's 2.

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Weekend at Bernie's looks like a Fred Astaire movie compared to.

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You have to use a hoodoo in order to get him to walk.

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So now we're just drugging Biden, right?

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But also, Alex probably should cool out

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about people taking amphetamines.

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Calm down.

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I think we should all cool out about people

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taking amphetamines.

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Well, especially Alex.

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I mean, especially Alex.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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What do people think our president,

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do people think our presidents have not always

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been consistently fucked up?

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But also, I mean, amphetamines, if he takes amphetamines,

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that could just mean he's on a prescription for something that

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is medically appropriate.

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Sure.

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There's no reason to think he's doing some illicit substance.

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Or he fucking had somebody stop at a truck stop

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and he did some trucker speed.

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He's fine.

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He's fine.

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It's legal.

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Wait, wait, hold on.

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Well, I mean, legal and illegal are different at truck stops.

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I don't know what they mean.

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But anyways, if the president wants

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to do some trucker speed to get through a fucking ball,

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that's fine.

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That's fine.

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All right.

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I'm fine with that.

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So look, there might be a war.

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Then you've got escalation.

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Remember a year ago, Biden said, you can't give F-16s

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and Abrams tanks and cruise missiles to the Ukrainians.

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That's World War III.

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Now they're doing it.

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So as Russia wins that war, as Colonel McGregor

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documented a few months ago with you, NATO is escalating.

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Well, that leads right to nuclear war.

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So we're so close.

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That fundamentally makes me so mad.

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This transcends politics.

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Since when do Democrats love war?

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Since when do Democrats love the intelligence agencies?

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They love them now.

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And so really, the Democratic-

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So dark.

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Just like the Republican Party is

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a beachhead for sanity and populism.

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It's not perfect.

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But it's a beachhead.

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The Democratic Party is totally turned over to evil.

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Tucker, calm the fuck down.

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Fuck you.

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You're bow tie Iraq war shit.

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I can't believe it.

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So scandalized by Democrats supporting war.

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It used to be this one.

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Back in the more genteel times.

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Also, I believe that Biden said that troops on the ground

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was not- that would be World War III.

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Yeah.

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Alex is changing that now in order to fit his purposes.

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Yeah.

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Load of shit.

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Yep.

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So anyway, the 2024 election.

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Oh boy, I can't believe we're still going.

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We got- Biden's going to be killed.

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Sure.

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Trump's going to be killed.

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Sure.

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Probably.

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Probably.

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But why even have the election, really?

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OK.

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This is a new angle I'm listening to.

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Do you think that we're going to see on election day 2024

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a ballot with Biden and Trump on it?

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I've been saying I think they may assassinate him or claim

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they had a heart attack.

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And then- but I was thinking about each one individually.

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But I think when you said that a month ago, it was prescient,

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that that's the next move.

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That's the- if I get in their mind and I'm evil,

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Machiavelli, that is what they have to do.

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But the election just forces the point.

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I mean, I guess I actually don't think

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that their preference is overt violence or anything

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that people notice.

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I mean, they much rather resort to stealth.

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Who's they?

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Covert rather than overt.

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The globalists.

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But I just think, you know, there's

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an election on the books.

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And like something's going to happen.

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Well, that's what you're saying.

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All their tactics of covert aren't working.

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So as we saw with JFK in 1963 in Dallas, they will go over.

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And so we have governors declaring

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emergencies to take the guns.

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All of that is- and then suddenly Democrats

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are against sanctuary cities, where they're the ones saying

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Governor Hochul and the mayor of New York, come here,

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come here.

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Now they're like, oh, we never said come here.

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I think it's dawning on Democrats they've been betrayed.

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And maybe there's some point where

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Democrats will have self-preservation,

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the average voter, and say, no, we need to turn against this.

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This is totalitarian.

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This is dangerous.

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This is evil.

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But if that isn't the case, the deep-

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But here's the problem.

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Even if Democrats wake up, the system

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will know that from their internal polls.

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The establishment will.

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They're going to make a big move.

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And is that a full-out war with Russia,

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a full-out war with China?

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Is it them allowing the jihadi sleeper cells

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there in America that have torn across our border,

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that are waiting to let them activate?

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And I'm not saying our government controls them,

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but they've let other governments bring them in.

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And they've given funding to those governments.

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And now, if we don't see strong signals against Iran-

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I don't want war with Iran.

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What I'm saying is, strong signals telling Iran,

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do not fund terror groups.

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And we don't see stronger prediation of Joe Biden.

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That will greenlight the security services

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to go ahead and let this new attack happen.

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And a massive jihadi attack in America

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could be the way to bring in martial law

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and cancel the election.

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OK, a lot going on there.

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So one of my favorite shows, wife and I

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watch The Magicians, very plot dense, extremely plot dense,

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to the point where if you kind of look away

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for about five, six seconds, you might look back

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and they'll be on a different show.

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It's that level of plot dense, right?

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And sometimes, when you're watching a new episode,

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they'll do the last time on.

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And it won't be the strictly last time.

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It will be, hey, here's a piece of the plot from last season.

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We're in a different universe continuity now.

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But if you don't know that, if you don't remember it,

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you won't understand what's going on on this episode.

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So surprise, here it is.

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Caught up, now we can watch the show.

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I feel like I missed the last on for that entire section

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of just like, wait.

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What season of the show are we on?

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What are you confused about?

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What season of the show are we on where this universe?

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They don't want to do a big old assassination.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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What?

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What are we talking about?

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The globalists don't want this now.

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Yeah, of course not.

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No, no, no, no.

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What was the last time?

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Give me the last time on.

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What's our continuity?

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Where are we at?

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Last time on, Alex was trying to get everyone

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to start talking about how the globalists were

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going to kill Trump.

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Right.

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We've seen that quite a bit.

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Yes.

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And I think maybe it's just not exciting enough.

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And so Biden's going to be killed too.

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Sure.

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That's fun.

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Maybe that's not exciting enough either.

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And so now we have all these machinations and plans

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of global wars and terrorist sleeper cells

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coming around to make it so we don't have an election.

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I don't know.

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I don't know about the last on.

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Yeah.

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There is no continuity to Alex, really,

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if you really break it down.

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No.

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But this is a kind of fun thing that probably will not

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come to pass.

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Yeah.

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And then we'll just forget that Alex made these predictions

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because he's a prophet.

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Right.

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You know?

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Right.

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You just forget about all these other things

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that he says are going to happen that don't happen.

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When is the next time Trump and Biden will

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be in the same room together?

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Debate night in prison.

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I don't know.

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I'd be down for that.

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That would be interesting.

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That would be interesting.

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So Alex just starts rambling a bit about his values.

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We're getting close to the dismount,

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so Alex is kind of doing a blustery bit of a speech.

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The sky is the limit.

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So people need to be vigilant and understand

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that we want to let the system know we're aware.

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We want to promote the values of free speech and of family

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and of self-defense and of local control

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and of free market rugged individualism

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and a competitive civilization and a colorblind society

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that Martin Luther King Jr. talked about.

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We need to go back to the things that made us great that

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threaten the CCP and threaten the globalists of the UN

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because they're selling tyranny and eating bugs

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and being locked down in your houses and forced injections

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and two men can have a baby.

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We're selling normal human biology and success

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in culture.

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And so I just think we have to give the alternate plan

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to their dystopia.

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We have to challenge their dystopia

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but also give the alternate plan, which

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enough people aren't doing.

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But that's Trump's big sin is his optimism.

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America's great.

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Everybody's beautiful.

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We have such potential.

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And as soon as the world heard America was open for business,

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we saw trillions flood instantly in because our leaders had

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said America is not open for business.

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Invest in China and India and Mexico

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where the globalists have middleman deals to get

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all the money and all the power instead of the people

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getting it.

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It was Henry Ford, wasn't the perfect guy.

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Whoa.

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But what about him?

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He said the other auto manufacturers

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curious this came out in no I want specifics from you

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press suits because he didn't get in trouble.

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They did.

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They said they have the other auto manufacturers.

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They said, why are you going to pay your employees three

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times what we do?

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And he said, because I won't just

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I don't want just rich people buying my cars.

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I want my employees to prime the market to buy it.

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They'll give me all the money back buying the Model T

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and then that'll supercharge it.

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So that's the two different systems.

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Build this illustrious, incredibly exciting, roaring

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civilization of laissez-faire or let these big guys already

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made all the money, centralized control, shut us all down

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and vertically integrate so they're in control

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and then kill competition.

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So we have to kill the globalist program that's

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anti-free market, anti-capitalist.

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It's monopolistic.

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It's anti-human.

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It's a bunch of degenerate, inbred third, fourth generation

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elites who didn't make all this money, who

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didn't create all this stuff.

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You didn't build your business.

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You don't even get to take part in it

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while they take part in it and live like kings.

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So it's us or them, Tucker.

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And we've got to crush the globalist.

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We've got to crush the New World Order.

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We've got to challenge them or they're

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going to destroy the planet.

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I believe that.

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You believe it?

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It's just that is his full response.

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I believe it.

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All that shit is meaningless lip service, mostly just muscle

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memory buzzwords that Alex has memorized to compile

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into fake ass rants.

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Things sure went off the rails with the stuff about Trump

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and Henry Ford.

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But what I'm most interested in is the idea

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that Alex thinks he's helping propose an alternative system

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to the one that exists that's better.

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Take any issue and imagine what Alex's policy prescription

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would be to address the problem he has.

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And you immediately end up with a pile of corpses.

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Alex wants armed vigilantes to patrol the southern border

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and have the right to do whatever they need.

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Alex wants to expel populations of people who he

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feels shouldn't be in America.

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Alex doesn't believe that Muslims can possibly integrate

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into American society.

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Alex thinks that people should be

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forced to carry fetuses to term against their own will.

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Alex believes that LGBTQ folks don't

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have the right to exist in public and probably not

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in private.

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Alex believes that public health officials

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should be killed for unleashing a bioweapon on the planet.

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Alex doesn't have an alternative system.

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He has a hit list.

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Alex doesn't have a vision of a better future.

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He has fantasies of an authoritarian state

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where all power rests in the hands

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of straight white Christian men, and that authority is never

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questioned.

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Alex is complex in terms of his ability

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to wax on about nothing for long stretches of time,

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and he weaves in a lot of stupid sci-fi with his rants.

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But he's also pretty simple.

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He wants a chauvinist Christian ethno-state at the core.

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That's really what it boils down to.

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Yeah.

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Also, Henry Ford was a fucking Nazi.

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And the whole story Alex is telling about him is a myth.

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Yeah.

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In reality, Ford raises wages for his workers

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because he was dealing with massive turnover problems.

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People kept quitting, and the hiring and training

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processes that were needed to fill those positions over

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and over again was too expensive for him to maintain.

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He raised wages to lure people into not quitting,

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which was successful.

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Also, in order to get this raise,

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employees had to submit to character assessments

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from Ford, who would send people to their homes

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to make sure they weren't drinking or gambling.

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In essence, Henry Ford enacted a social credit score

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with his employees, which is the very thing Alex

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is pretending the globalists are doing now, which is ironic.

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Yeah, the number of things that Henry Ford did that people who

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say Henry Ford was a genius.

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Not a perfect guy.

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If he were to do any of those things,

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see, the thing that they love those myths about.

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I heard the myth too.

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I heard the myth like, oh, it's a great business decision.

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See, I'll pay my employees enough to make it.

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And it's never like, actually, labor is a,

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you know, there is a fight to the fucking death

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with nobody following, whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's one way of telling a story.

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It's a business decision.

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It's not somebody had to die for it.

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Yeah.

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No.

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So I don't believe that Alex is engaged

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in any productive way of proposing an alternative.

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Yeah.

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We have to promote an alternative system.

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No, you don't.

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You want to repress people.

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You want to create a society that

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is much closer to the bad version we had in the past.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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You're not interesting.

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Yeah.

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So we come towards the dismount here.

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And Alex is discussing some of his persecution.

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And I call tremendous bullshit on this.

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OK.

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Again, I still never figure out what your crime is.

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But you have been persecuted for something.

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In an escalating way.

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I got two subpoenas last week.

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Supinas?

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I got subpoenas on January 6th.

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Again, on a criminal investigation.

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But you didn't do anything on January 6th.

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And I got subpoenaed at Trump's criminal trial in Georgia.

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On what grant?

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On what?

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On what grant?

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And the lawyer called and said, what is this?

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And they said, well, we don't just want him as a witness.

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He's a subject.

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But don't tell anyone.

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It's a secret.

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I had nothing to do with Georgia.

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I'm not saying it's bad.

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They went and challenged it.

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That's their right.

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I mean, I went and protested there.

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So it's just pure intimidation.

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So he got these two subpoenas last week.

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But they're the old ones that he got.

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Aren't they the?

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Yeah.

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He just got caught up in his own little web.

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He tried to be specific, which is always a mistake.

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Because when he talks shit, and he's like,

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I got two subpoenas last week, if he

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didn't give any specifics, he'd be

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able to maintain the illusion that that actually did happen.

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Anybody?

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You could have gotten a subpoena for anything.

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Anybody would buy any reason for you to get a subpoena.

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Sure, why not?

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You've lived an Alex Jones-like life.

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Yeah, and don't tell anyone that your lawyer

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that you're talking about is fucking Norm Paddis.

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He's unreliable as a narrator.

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Brutal.

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So we end the interview with Alex rambling a bit

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about his favorite subject, which is the Alamo,

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and how he thinks he's Colonel Travis.

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I can't believe this.

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You're our champion, Tucker.

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And there are other people, you know, lesser.

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I know you don't want to be the top dog, but you are.

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That's why you're in attack.

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Most important human in the world.

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I know no matter what happens to me,

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men and women are going to continue the fight forward

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into the future.

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But this is an Alamo situation.

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I'm not evacuating.

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I'm not leaving.

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I'm not going.

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How'd they do with the Alamo?

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Do you remember?

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Everybody got killed.

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Oh, OK.

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But that example led to a big, you know,

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my mom's family raised Colonel Travis's son.

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And on my dad's side, too, they were heavily involved.

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First Texas families, where we had like Mexican land

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grants for our property, we still have Mexican land.

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We paid for $0.12 an acre, like $18.25 in East Texas.

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So it's not as cool as your place, but it's pretty cool.

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And the last letter he wrote on that piece of wallpaper

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was to one of my great, great, great, great, great

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grandfathers in Gonzales, Texas, saying please

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take care of my little boy.

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And so, but Travis knew he was going to die.

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But he was like, I got 10,000 troops come in on our 200

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and something.

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We're going to give them one hell of a fight

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and kill a bunch of them before they can get up

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north for the main battle.

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And they killed thousands, well, 3,000,

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it's estimated, if we go from memory, of Mexican troops.

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And so that'd be an honor to have like 10,000 troops coming

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to me, and I'm in the Alamo.

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I don't have a death wish, but man, it gets me out as a kite.

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And so I'm not doing what Colonel Travis did.

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The only reason they got beat is they ran out of ammo,

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basically.

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They had powder, but no more ball.

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And they were fighting with swords at the end.

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So those are tough men.

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And I don't even measure up to them,

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but I want to try to measure up.

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And so it's very exciting.

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It's instinctive.

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It's spiritual to be defending humanity and prosperity

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and free justice.

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It's these globalist child trafficking monsters,

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the open border, all this evil.

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I mean, so my cells tell me to do this.

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My guts, my sinews say, you're ordered to do this.

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And I don't feel good unless I do it.

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And so the bigger the attacks get,

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it's the old World War II saying,

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when the planes were over the target,

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they didn't really have radar,

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but they knew the bases and the factories had flak.

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So they're shooting at them with artillery,

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anti-aircraft artillery.

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So you flew into that.

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And so me, the best place I want to be is in the flak,

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but I also hate the flak because we can blow up

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and we're not in the fight anymore.

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So there's that paradox,

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but 90% of me wants to be in the flak.

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10% says, maybe you should steer a little around it

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because you don't want to get knocked out.

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And until just a few years ago,

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I felt really bad because it didn't seem

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the paradigm had been shattered

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and people didn't actually read the globalist documents.

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Now there's been a paradigm shattering

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and I'm almost obsolete, Tucker.

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And as soon as that happens,

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as soon as I see another couple of hundred more prominent

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people that actually know what's going on,

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we've already reached a chain reaction point.

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I'm going to hang it up and disappear like Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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Alex Jones.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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What a great conversation.

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Thank you, brother.

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I really appreciate it.

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Thanks for your courage, Tucker.

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Thank you.

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Love your crew. Great energy.

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Thank you.

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Americana, baby.

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Americana, baby.

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And then he's out and then it's over.

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Oof.

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The two of them together are disgusting

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on a like existential level.

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Yeah.

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Like there's something truly gross.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It is, it's interesting in a non-interesting way.

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The dynamic brings out blandness in Alex.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's almost a Gothic horror to it

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of like this thing that should be,

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they both should be not what they are.

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Right.

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They're like uncanny human-like people.

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You know, they're like the us.

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They're like us, you know?

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They're like the sleep versions of us, right?

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And then they learned speech.

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Sure.

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And they can kind of sound like us,

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but whenever they talk, shit is fucking terrifying.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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But it's presented in a way that is not terrifying

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and kind of banal and boring and completely disorienting.

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These are adults laughing about prank calling

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Brian Stelter drunk the night before.

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This is ridiculous.

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Aye.

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They expect to be taken seriously

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on all of these like completely fucked up societal ideas

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that they have.

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Totally.

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Meanwhile, they have the maturity of me at 19.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's all about borders and to spend all of our lives

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and nobody should be able to come in and take my shirt.

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Also, let's just remember that the greatest heroes

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break into somebody else's home

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and then heroically die fighting to the death to stay there.

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Yeah.

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And are running from a life

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that they ruined as a drunken con man loser.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Every aspect of our lives is a weird reenactment

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of the ironic version of the Alamo.

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And don't forget it.

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Oh God.

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So yeah, I think that this interview,

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not super enlightening.

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Right.

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In any way, I think, I mean, if I had to pull like moments

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that were like, oh wow.

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Yeah.

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There's the, you can't fly a BLM flag

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unless you live in East St. Louis.

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Segregation's now segregation forever.

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That one's bananas.

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That to me is something that I'm kind of shocked.

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You really want segregation.

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I'm shocked that they articulated that.

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Like I always got segregation as like a economic thing.

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Like, oh, I want to steal money from people.

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I didn't know you actually wanted it.

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That sucks.

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Gross.

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It does suck.

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Gross.

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The part about the predictions I expected

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that was going to come up.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I thought it would be a little better done.

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Victory lap was going to happen.

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Yeah, but I really thought that like there would be

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more work done to actually make the argument

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as opposed to just like show a 40 second sizzle reel

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and then be like, oh my God, you're a prophet.

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I thought that was a little lazy.

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You mean somebody on Tucker's staff

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would have been forced to put together a sizzle reel

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as opposed to using one of Alex's own sizzle reel.

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Providing any kind of context to what these things

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that are being said are.

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There'd be some more convincing.

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I mean, obviously the attempt to make it more convincing

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would undercut the entire argument,

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which is why they didn't do that.

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But I still think it's a little bit lazy.

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No, I get what you're saying.

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And then the Brian Stelter, the breakdown of it is,

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I thought that was out of place.

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That got too weird.

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That got too weird.

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It seems like to me there's a misuse of time.

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But also I'm really interested in the raw footage.

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I would be interested in that because Alex, I believe,

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said like it's a two hour interview.

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There's only an hour and a half.

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There's very clearly cuts in it.

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And so I'd be curious what those were

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because we certainly have the legacy of his gay interview

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where like a week later there was a bunch of shit

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that came out that was pretty fucked up.

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I'd be curious about that.

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I would be curious if Stelter recorded that call.

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Oh, man.

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We should get that.

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Stelter, buddy.

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Stelter!

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Our old friend.

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Come on, you have to, if Alex calls you drunk

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on like what, Thanksgiving or something,

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then you record the call, right?

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But that's why you bum rush in

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with Tucker's producer calling

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and then, hey, hello, it's Alex.

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I don't know.

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Okay.

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I find myself underwhelmed a little bit.

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Yeah.

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At the same time, like exasperated.

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Yeah.

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I think that if there wasn't so much territory

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that we've covered length before,

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I would find this to be at least a little bit more fruitful.

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Like there would be interesting things

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as opposed to just like, this is just repetition

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of Thomas shit that he says all the time.

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Yeah.

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And that maybe is a function of our unfortunate familiarity

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that this becomes incredibly boring.

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I mean, I think there's definitely that,

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but I mean, I think it's not our fault, you know?

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And I think there's something to be said

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about the game's over, you know?

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The fourth quarter's been played, right?

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Like we're not the ones who are letting him back

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in the game, if that makes sense.

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Yeah.

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You know, so like I'm all about, yeah, but.

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I think Tucker could have probably had

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a much more interesting interview with Alex

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a year ago or something.

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But now it's just, blah.

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Or a much better interview a year from now.

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We're in this space right now that it's so like,

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everybody in the world is feeling a cocoon year

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of like something in the next 20, in the next blah

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is going to make the next blah, blah, blah

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so much different, but nobody has any idea.

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And it does feel like, and not because it's an election,

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but just because of the dynamics that surround an election,

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it does feel like that is a ticking clock.

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Yeah, but I mean, it doesn't even,

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but it doesn't feel like the election will be the thing.

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No, it's everything around it.

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There's so many, yeah, everything around.

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I would give anything for just an election.

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That would be a delight.

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Can you imagine?

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What about, how do you feel about Bob Dole

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and fucking Bill Clinton, Dan?

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Who do you think is going to win that one?

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Bob Dole.

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What did people live?

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What did they live like before you could just go out on TV

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and scream that the fucking government's going

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to kill your grandma tomorrow?

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What was it like?

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Or Vivek doing great replacement shit.

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Great replacement shit, what is that like?

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What was it like before this?

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Everything is just fucked.

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Amazing.

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Well.

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All right.

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Congratulations, Tucker, you did something.

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I will say, more prestigious than interviewing

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the guy who claims he blew Obama in a limo.

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True.

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That is a step up from that.

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A sad truth.

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Maybe a step down from interviewing extremist heads

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of state around the world.

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Could be.

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But you did what you needed to do.

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Could be.

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Congratulations.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan.

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Indeed.

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But until then, we have a website.

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Indeed we do, it's knowledgeright.com.

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Yeah, we're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledgeright.com.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark.

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These guys suck.

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I don't know.

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I got nothing.

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I'm exhausted.

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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

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And now, here comes the sex robot.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.