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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, knowledge

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of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge

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of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge of the fight, knowledge to fight,

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knowledge to fight, knowledge to fight, knowledge to fight, knowledge to fight, knowledge to

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan, I'm Jordan, we're Double Dudes,

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like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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I've got a cloud that hangs over the room, but I will allow you, because I know I'm sure

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it's going to be your bright spot, so I'll leave it to you.

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Oh no, it wasn't going to be my bright spot.

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No?

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No, absolutely not.

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That doesn't sound like you.

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No, well, I understand, I understand, but here's what people don't get about this,

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which really bums me out, alright?

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It is nothing to celebrate, he won.

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He won by any objective way of looking at it.

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This man proves that there is no cosmic good or evil, there is no karma, there is no, yeah,

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there is no none of this.

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We should not be celebrating, we should only have celebrated if he experienced consequences

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for anything he ever did one time, but instead you can be evil, be rewarded beyond all of

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your imagination, and then die a hundred years old with people loving you.

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So that's not your bright spot, then?

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No, not my bright spot.

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Okay.

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My bright spot would have been if he got hit by a truck, or shot into the sun, or any number

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of different creative ways for a hundred to be celebrated.

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I see, I see.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, my bright spot is, uh, I got back into MST3K, watching the original series again.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah, it's great.

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You a Joel guy?

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Oh, love Joel.

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I love Joel and Mike.

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I don't have a, I don't have a fight.

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I don't need to fight between the two.

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I feel like almost everybody has a fight.

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I feel, I feel like Joel guys don't like Mike, Mike, Mike folk don't like Joel.

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There's one, there, whatever, whatever blood there may have been, they're financing a new

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season, season 14, everybody crowd fund it, Joel and Mike are both involved, so what are

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you going to do?

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Never thought I'd see the day.

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Never.

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I did go back and I watched-

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I mean, it actually was the beginning, as they were there to-

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Sure.

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No, I mean, I never thought I'd see the day again.

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Yeah, right.

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But like, um, there was a, I think, I don't know, maybe it was Mitchell that I went back

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and watched.

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It was classic.

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Yeah.

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Good old Mitchell.

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But the, I, I remember, it was, it was like, this is slower than I remembered.

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Like, it's, it's a testament to how much shows have gotten like frenetic and like quick paced

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that, that show feels like molasses.

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It really does.

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Yeah.

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But not in a bad way.

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No, no, no, no.

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I, I've just, it's just really enjoyable on, and on, you know, there's the nostalgic element

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to, of it too, but also there's just like, there really isn't anything like this.

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No.

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And especially not now, you know, like this is a, MST3K is a unique thing.

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Even something that has such a like a public access ass roots and feel that carry with

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it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just homemade ass, UHF weird Al kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, you a Crow guy or are you a servo guy?

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Uh, I like Crow.

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Whoa.

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I'm a big fan of Crow.

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Whoa.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I, I think I might be more of a servo.

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Uh, I'm a, I'm a TV's Frank.

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Let's be, let's be real.

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Sure.

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Trace, uh, Trace Bolo.

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Uh, uh, you know, what are you going to do?

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Always mysterious how to pronounce that name.

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They were at, uh, up north.

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North.

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Yeah.

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I couldn't make it.

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We both could have said hello, figured out how to pronounce his last name.

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Please.

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Um, my bright spot, uh, is I guess, um, you know, Hey, I don't like to, I don't want to

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promote Spotify, but it's been very nice seeing all these people posting their year wrap and

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uh, seeing how much, way too long they've listened to our show.

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It's nice in, in some, in some sense of like, Oh, wow.

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People are listening and they can, and you know, I know they are, but there's, there's

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kind of like an outpouring of like, eh, we, we do like your show and I, I, you know, I

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know Spotify is exploiting that in order for advertising and what have you, and I don't

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appreciate that, but it is, it is, it is, uh, I mean, seeing some of those numbers.

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It's overwhelming.

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It's so they're very, there's a lot of minutes.

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I did not know there were that many in a year.

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Sometimes I hear that.

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I've seen a couple folks who have posted six digit numbers.

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I don't even like seeing the, I, yeah, no, I didn't even like seeing, I didn't like seeing

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numbers that had to separate by H, you know, like I didn't, that's too many.

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That's so many.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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But thank you all for listening and enjoying the show.

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Yes.

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Thank you very much.

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My secondary bright spot.

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I was thinking about that.

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I was thinking about not having that because of Spotify and all the, I don't want, no free

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rides.

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That's what I'm going to do.

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This isn't an Aldi podcast.

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It's not a Spotify podcast.

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It's definitely not.

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Um, Celine has been, uh, uh, struggling with static electricity lately.

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Oh, I don't know what's happened, but there's a lot of static electricity and so like she'll

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rub up against me and get shocked.

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It's a lot of fun.

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Yeah, that's, it's, it's not because they can't, you know, Celine doesn't really understand

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the concept of it, but it also doesn't really hurt or anything.

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No, it doesn't hurt.

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It's just very funny.

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Yeah.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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And here's the sitch.

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What is it?

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Henry Kissinger died last night as we're recording this.

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So today Alex would be responding to it, but didn't really have time that we would be able

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to turn it around to cover his show today on the show we're recording today.

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So we'll do that for Monday.

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Right.

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Decided to put that off for Monday.

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At the same time, it felt like, well, who cares what Alex was saying the day before

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Kissinger died.

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It does feel like it makes everything useless.

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Why aren't you talking about that?

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Right.

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There is that.

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So I decided we're going to go all the way off the beaten path and go back to the past.

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Okay.

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So we're in 2004 today.

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Talk about March 24th, 2004.

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All right.

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On this, this here excursion.

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3-24-04.

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Alex does a couple of interviews about the same topic and they're quite different.

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So we'll see how that goes, but first, uh, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks.

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Ooh, that's a great idea.

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So first, uh, Skull Bat 308.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Next, lucky psycho.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Melissa, AKA.

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Scottches, only hero.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy walk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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You know next, Scott Emily in West Virginia and our cats, Frankandbeans.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Uh, next on second thought let's not be technocrats.

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It's a silly name.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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What a silly name.

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Uh, thank you so much to I'm playing a cocaine addict in a murder mystery and Alex Jones

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is my template.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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You could do worse.

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Yes.

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You could do worse.

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He's not an addict.

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He's an enjoyer of cocaine.

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That is a good question.

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And I'm not sure if it's cocaine.

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It's stimulants of some variety.

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Sure, sure.

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What is an addict when it comes to a man who needs something just to survive?

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Are we a water addict?

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Yes.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, he's an addict.

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Yeah, that tracks.

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So we start here and Alex has, he announces at the beginning of the show, this interview

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series.

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Actually, he doesn't make it clear that there's going to be two interviews until the third

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hour.

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But he announces the first interview right at the top.

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Okay.

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And I got interested.

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Okay.

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We have an ultra massive show for you today in 30 minutes.

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I have a district attorney coming on in a major state who says he loves making people

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give blood at checkpoints and you better get used to it.

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Imagine driving up to a checkpoint, 50 cars are stopped in front of you.

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Every third car is pulled over.

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Police officers handcuff you and jab needles into your arm, sucking out your blood.

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The Nazis, imagine watching an old movie, you the Nazis on board the train, sucking

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people's blood.

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No one would buy that.

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I mean, just showing the papers was bad enough, but see how far we've gone.

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I'm not sure that asking for papers or hypothetically taking blood samples is what I most shudder

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about when I think of the Nazis.

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As of 2019, there were nine states that had full fledged police phlebotomy programs and

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they aren't necessarily the most appealing things for states to adopt.

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They're meant to be surefire screens for impaired drivers, but they're also super unpopular

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with the public and the cost of implementing them are pretty high.

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You need to set up special training and certification for officers and you introduce all the possibilities

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of like an officer messing up while drawing blood and then you end up with a lawsuit.

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You introduce all these nasty variables into the equation when you consider that you're

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trying to take blood in an unsterile environment, like in a car, it's just not worth it for

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most police departments.

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You would have to be incredibly stupid and only a cop would think it's a good idea.

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That's why, or at least part of it, why even in those states that allow blood draws for

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DUI checks, it's much smoother for them just to establish probable cause through some other

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sobriety checks and then take you to the station and do a blood test.

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And also, not for nothing, at this point, now in the present day, you need to have a

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warrant to compel someone.

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You shouldn't be allowed to have my blood.

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In the past, there were implied consent laws in some states, but since then, they've been

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overturned.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so now it's a situation where they cannot compulsively take your blood without a judge.

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Right.

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I understand.

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I understand that it's 2023 and I am aware of how modern stuff works, but it is not far

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enough removed for me and really the entire human race to say that stealing my blood is

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not also magic.

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That is also magic.

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It's not far enough away.

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It is something that is shocking that it was okay, like compelling people to provide blood

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samples.

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I mean, that should be a fight, right?

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And I think that it was in the courts and that's why it's not okay anymore.

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I mean, that would make sense, yeah.

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I do think that it was probably not usually done.

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Sure.

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The forcing.

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Sure.

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Boy.

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It doesn't get...

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Are you...

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Excuse me.

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Are you holding down that man and taking his blood to see if he's drunk and you think you're

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the one in the right here?

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Well, the police's arguments were always that, you know, it's a matter of time.

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You know, like the blood will metabolize the alcohol and so if you wait too long, then

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you won't have the evidence that you need in order to prove that the person was driving

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drunk and courts eventually found that this is not a worthwhile argument.

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I think every police department should hire someone to just slap all of their lawyers

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regularly, because they're insane.

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Typically, what the blood situation is, is there's already probable cause, they're already

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arrested for a drunk driving thing, and this is something you are consenting to.

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You're just stealing my blood.

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Well, you're consenting to it at that point, because the officers are like, you're gonna

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get arrested anyway.

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You just need the evidence.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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So most people end up being like, all right, fine.

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If you want my blood, you're gonna have to get it off the concrete, my man.

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But here's the thing.

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Yeah.

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Either way, I'm excited for an interview with this district attorney that Alex is setting

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up as being like a vampire.

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Yeah, I'm excited.

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He loves taking your blood.

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I was just thinking, I was just thinking, I was like, would it be Dracula's general?

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I think that's what we would be talking about for the plural here.

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Yeah.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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So we have, obviously, the entire premise of this is fighting drunk driving.

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Right.

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That is what's behind all of this.

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Right.

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Whether or not you agree with the tactics that are used, the strategies, what they're

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doing is attempting to cut down on drunk driving.

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Right.

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Which Alex seems to be against.

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Well, obviously.

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He's from Texas.

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He's talking about drunk driving, police drop blood.

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Hey, let me tell you something about MAD, folks.

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They're a front for the government.

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It has nothing to do with drunk driving.

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It's about a police state setting up automatic toll roads on all highways, automatic checkpoint

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systems.

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They passed the federal laws, the federal funding to do it.

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Back in 1998, and it's in my film, Police State 2000, released in early 99.

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So that's the reality of what we're dealing with.

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That's what you're dealing with?

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Yeah.

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Mothers against drunk driving are the front for the government.

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Globalist.

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Yeah.

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I get it.

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Alex thinks that people should just be allowed to drive drunk because the state shouldn't

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impede your liberty or ability to travel or whatever.

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In present day, I would be totally convinced this position just came from place of him

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just being a complete alcoholic and not wanting to get pulled over.

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But in the past, he doesn't seem like he's that out of control, so it'd maybe just be

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libertarian bullshit.

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It's fun to argue against, but not fun to live in a world where it's okay.

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Whatever the case, it is fun to hear that Mothers Against Drunk Driving is a secret

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globalist front trying to bring in the police state.

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Always great.

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They're not as much of an active force apparently in the world in 2023 for Alex.

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Their role in the hierarchy just below Klaus Schwab.

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Who pushed them down out of the headlines?

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Alex got bored.

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So here's the reality that Alex doesn't want to deal with.

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Apparently nothing that we do stops drunk driving.

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Education campaigns don't work because pretty much everyone knows that drunk driving is

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dangerous and yet people still do it.

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People know that there's serious consequences legally speaking and that you could kill yourself

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or others and yet they still do it.

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By the time you're at the point of deciding to drive drunk or not, you're drunk and your

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decision making skills are impaired.

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And that means at least some of the people who totally know better and would never decide

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to drive drunk do so anyway.

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And then they kill people.

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For some context, in the year 2000, 32% of traffic fatalities involved at least one driver

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over.08 BAC.

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In 2021, it was 31%.

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In 2021, there are actually 160 additional fatalities involving alcohol impaired drivers

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than there were 21 years prior.

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And you can pretty much just guarantee that every year at least 10,000 people are going

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to die for no reason because people drive drunk.

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This isn't to say that drawing blood at checkpoints is the right solution, but it is to say that

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people have every reason to propose solutions like this to solve a seemingly unsolvable

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problem.

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Alex's solution seems to be do nothing.

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That doesn't sound super convincing.

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I get that all this seems like a horrible tyranny to him, but I do wonder how his perspective

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might change if one of his children were killed by a drunk driver.

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That's a large part of what motivated the creation of MAD, the tragedy of this becoming

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personally real.

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It's just an abstraction to Alex, so as long as the issue remains abstract, he's able to

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paint those traumatized by the issue as evil people trying to promote tyranny.

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To recognize the legitimate human motivation in trying to fight an issue like drunk driving

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would be to critically weaken his own fragile position, so it's much easier just to demonize

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these people.

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And granted, I don't think that taking blood at checkpoints is the right solution, but

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I get that it is in service of this, and it isn't something that was widespread.

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Yeah, I mean, you can't do it because, I mean, Prohibition didn't even stop drunk driving,

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you know?

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Like, there's nothing you can do.

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Fuck.

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I didn't include a clip, but Alex goes on a long jag on this episode about how Prohibition

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was a conspiracy.

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Prohibition wasn't a conspiracy, but it was essentially, hey, we've got to keep men from

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beating the shit out of their wives all the time, and then they were like, well, what

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if we just got rid of booze?

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And then they found out that you can't just get rid of shit.

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That's just not how shit works.

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Oh, no, it was a conspiracy in order to make booze illegal so you could create a police

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state by chasing down people who had booze.

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Right.

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Men thought a lot of things about things that are made to keep them from hitting people.

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So Mothers Against Drunk Driving, bad.

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Now, the beginning of this becoming an episode for Alex is that he read an article in the

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Wall Street Journal that had to do with taking blood from people in order to verify their

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blood alcohol content.

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Wild that you could read that in the Wall Street Journal and not immediately go like,

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we got to call somebody who, what the fuck is going on?

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They're just taking blood?

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Fine.

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Okay.

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Well, obviously the article itself doesn't quite match Alex's version of things.

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Fair enough.

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But so there's an article, the district attorney vampire is somebody who's mentioned in the

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article and he was interviewed with in the article.

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And so that's, that's how this ball got rolling.

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And there's some other stuff in this article that's actually pretty disturbing.

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And in this article, it says in push to stop drunk driving, police draw blood authorities

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often must force suspects to give samples, a dilemma for doctors, Wall Street Journal

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and that sub headline, Mr. Jones dies fighting.

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They kicked his face in, they tied him down and kicked his face until his, till his eye

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actually fell out, cave the whole eye in and he died and they got their blood cause it's

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America where we jab needles in your checkpoints cause we're free.

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So Alex is mixing up some stories here.

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That sounds right.

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The whole thing that's supposed to be like here is about like the whole story is about

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police taking blood at checkpoints, which Alex is staunchly opposed to.

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But then he takes this Wall Street Journal article and tries to use it to support his

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point, but it doesn't work.

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This guy that he's referring to, Terry Jones, almost certainly died because of police brutality

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and an autopsy did show that he was kicked in the head, which contributed to his death.

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That's inexcusable and nothing I'm saying is to minimize what the police did here.

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But it doesn't really work for Alex's argument.

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Jones was already in custody at the time.

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The police had found him asleep behind the wheel of his parked car, which was still running

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and there was an open 22 ounce beer in his car.

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So he was pretty much going to get arrested.

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He was arrested and then he was taken to the station where he allegedly threatened and

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fought the officers who were attempting to do a blood test.

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Police obviously should have had better protocol of how to subdue somebody who's in custody,

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but that's a different issue than the one Alex is grandstanding about.

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For this to make sense, Alex is going to need to expand his complaint out and have it to

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be about like the police shouldn't be able to compel you to do anything, even if you've

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already been arrested.

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And I think that's a tough argument for him to make.

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Or it is kind of nice that in 2004 Alex was against police killing people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean the bar is about as low as it can be.

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It is about as low as it can be.

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It is shocking to recognize that there was a time when he dealt with this a lot differently

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because his brand was so police state oriented that his racism did not eclipse his fear of

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the police.

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Man, those were the days when we could all be united around an actual enemy.

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What are you going to do?

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So in this instance, this is Terry Jones, this person, was I would say a victim of the

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implied consent rules where they were going to compel a blood sample from him and then

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he was fighting with them.

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Yeah, I would do that.

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Probably because he was still drunk also.

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Well, there's definitely that, but.

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I mean that's so stupid though.

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I think in a large part that's why it is not the case around anymore.

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So Alex introduces this vampire district attorney, who is not a vampire, and Alex actually probably

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should have prepared a little bit before he did this interview.

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No.

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Suddenly Mr. Jones went limp.

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The coroner ruled Mr. Jones died of an acute cardiac arrhythmia, a heart rhythm disturbance,

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but a second autopsy performed by a retired deputy medical examiner, the request of Mrs.

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Jones' widow, found that his head had been beaten and his left eye crushed, had it off

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of the trauma, he probably would not have died, the doctor testified.

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And it said last March, a jury ruled the police and jail officials weren't responsible.

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Paul Martin, the jail's chief, says it now uses a specially made chair with Velcro straps

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to restrain drivers brought in for forced blood draws.

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Joining us is a district attorney from a different area of the country, John O'Boyle, district

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attorney of Pierce County, Wisconsin, and we're honored to have him on the show.

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He says that I've really pushed it, he believes in it, and he says blood tests tend to be

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pretty bulletproof.

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Sir, it's good to have you on the show.

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Thank you.

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So you're a big fan of this.

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When did the blood drawing start?

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Well, I'm a big fan of having officers obtain and do blood tests as their primary test under

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our law.

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When they arrest somebody for an OWI, they have a choice between either having the person

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submit to a breath test, a urine test, or a blood test, and I've advocated for them

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to always use the blood test because it's the best result.

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Now let's make that clear.

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In the stacks of mainstream news articles I have, and I've mainly seen this out west,

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they don't give you a choice.

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They say, we're taking your blood on the side of the road.

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Are you aware of that?

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No, I'm not.

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We don't do that in Wisconsin.

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Oops.

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So you can see here Alex is trying to finesse this interview from the jump.

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His moves are intentional, but also very clunky, and I think that there's a lack of preparation

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that hurt the trap that he was trying to set here.

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Yeah.

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Alex's first move is to recover this story about Terry Jones dying in custody because

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it's important for Alex to ascribe approval of that killing onto the guest.

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The guest supports the drawing of blood to verify DUI arrest, so he therefore must support

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killing Mr. Jones.

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That's obviously a nonsense conclusion to draw, but it's the frame that Alex is trying

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to begin the interview with.

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The second big move is a complete failure on Alex's part, which is an attempt to saddle

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a boil, this district attorney, with the sin of drawing blood at checkpoints.

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Unfortunately, Alex didn't prepare and doesn't know that that isn't something that they do

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in Wisconsin, so now he essentially is lost in the weeds of the conversation.

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He knows that this needs to be an adversarial interview, since that's how the entire first

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half hour of the show has set this thing up, but now his guest has stated that they don't

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do the thing Alex is so mad about.

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In order for this to remain emotionally satisfying for the audience, Alex is going to need to

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find another thing to attack O'Boyle about, or else this thing is going to flounder in

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the water.

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We're screwed.

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See, that's the thing.

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You can save this.

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You can save this very easily.

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Just because he says that doesn't mean anything, you know, like, oh, you say that now, sure,

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but it exists, you're drawing blood, so that means it's going to go over time in neither

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two ways.

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It's going to be, you can draw it right next to the sidewalk, or it's going to be you can't

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do it at all.

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That's how it moves in the future, so you have to defend it now.

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There's no reason to assume that it goes that way.

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Yeah, it is.

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There's no other way for stuff to go.

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It can just stay the same.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Drawing blood on the side of the road can just stay the same?

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No, because it doesn't exist.

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Yes, it does.

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Not in Wisconsin.

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But it will.

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See, this is how you argue.

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It doesn't have to make sense, and you have to argue.

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It certainly doesn't make sense.

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That's not the point.

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Right.

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So the obvious thing here is that Alex has a decent point if he wants it, which is taking

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blood without consent or without a court order is bad.

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Right.

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If he just chose to stand on that leg, things kind of would be fine, and it would be, well,

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here's the problem, the DA wouldn't disagree with him really at all, and then there wouldn't

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be a disagreement.

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Yeah, I mean, ultimately the conversation has to be just like, listen, I don't know

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if in this case it's used appropriately or not, but I do know that in the history of

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the United States, the one thing that they can't have is control over my blood.

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I can't let them have it, and I'll tell you why.

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Indeed the history of the United States.

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The government should not have my blood.

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You end up in an argument where Alex has one position, which is they should not be able

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to take blood without consent, and then you have a DA who's like, we don't do that.

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Right.

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I don't know about other states, and then you're kind of at a stalemate where you want

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to pillory this guy, you want to attack him, and then you have to attack him for things

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that other states are doing that presumably he is not in favor of.

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So I say you switch texts and then you start asking for his blood.

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I don't think that's a terrible idea.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's over the phone.

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Give me your blood right now.

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Mail it.

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I dare you.

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So Alex does have to kind of weave around a little bit and try and figure out how to

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do this interview.

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Right.

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How long ago did Wisconsin start this?

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Start doing what?

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The blood testing.

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Oh, I think it's been around for quite a long time.

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I mean, I've been prosecuting here for 10 years, and we've always advocated to have

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the officers utilize a blood test as their primary test as opposed to the breath or the

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urine test just because it's more accurate.

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Now the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I mean, imagine an old black and white

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movie if the Germans on the train would have been sticking needles in people.

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I mean, the government's sticking needles in us.

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You don't think that's Big Brother?

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I don't think in the context of an OWI arrest, no, because they lawfully can do it.

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A blood draw can be done.

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This is a tragic start for the interview for Alex.

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Yeah, it's not good.

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I don't think he intended to pull out the Nazis on the train imagery so early, but it

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feels like he has nowhere to go, and he's panicked.

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O'Boyle has a sensible answer for Alex's questions, and Wisconsin isn't doing the

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shit that Alex is wanting to argue about, so what ground are we going to dispute here?

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We've got to find something to fight about.

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I mean, Godwin's law is supposed to be after at least a few back and forths.

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It's not like, Godwin's law, the first thing anybody says is you're a Nazi.

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That's not how it's supposed to work.

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It's supposed to be like, we have a disagreement, not just like, hey, you're a Nazi.

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Don't you think this thing that you don't do but I'm accusing you of is Nazi-ish?

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Also, I think, I don't want to be insensitive, but I think in the context of why Nazis were

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putting people on trains, doing a DUI test is not necessarily like, that's not a big

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thing in terms of what they were doing.

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If you found out they were doing a DUI test, you would have been filled with relief.

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That is the way I would view it.

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It's a strange way for Alex to try and ascribe Nazi-ishness to police doing DUI tests.

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One thing that this does already bring to the table, which I always enjoy, is when somebody

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who thinks they are just doing their job is then interacting with Alex.

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Already you can feel this guy just being like, I'm just explaining my job.

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I'm not doing anything controversial, I'm not doing anything, I'm not even trying to

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make a point.

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I'm just telling you, it's like you're coming to visit me at work.

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That's what it is.

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It takes him a while to get the lay of the land, but he does eventually get to the point

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where he's like, oh, okay.

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Oh, I get it.

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You're a dick.

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So there's an issue of impairment with driving, obviously, that's behind why these things

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are done.

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So what about non-booze impairment?

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What about that?

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What about that?

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How does that happen?

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How do you feel about that, asshole?

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The other states have seen, they say they take the blood to also look for other drugs.

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Right.

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And we've done that, too.

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Once the blood test has been obtained, the result has been obtained, we have them all

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sent to our state laboratory of hygiene, and most of the time they're just doing the screens

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for alcohol, but we've also on occasion had them run a screen for drugs, too, because

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we have seen situations where there's a combination of drugs and alcohol.

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What do you do if it's legal drugs, because Ritalin is legal methamphetamine, Prozac is

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a legal hallucinogen.

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I mean, what do you do about all the legal drugs they got everybody hopped up on?

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Well, it depends, because our law actually, conceivably, you could be prosecuted for operating

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under the influence of a drug, even though the drug is legal, if it impairs your ability

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to safely operate.

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So, if you don't commit suicide from the Prozac, you'll end up in jail either way, so it's

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kind of a great system.

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Well, not necessarily, no.

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That's not necessary.

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I'm sure you heard about the suicide with the drugs.

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No.

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Mmm, no.

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So the question of impairment by legal drugs is an interesting and complex matter.

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You have all sorts of variables to consider in that space, like whether or not the person

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was taking the medication legally or as indicated by their prescription.

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It's very conceivable that somebody could be arrested for driving impaired by legal

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medication.

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In fact, it happens a bunch.

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One of the most clear-cut examples of this is zolpidem, or Ambien, the sleeping pill

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that can cause people to do all sorts of shit they don't remember if they don't take it

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correctly or if something just goes weird with their body chemistry.

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There have been tons of people arrested for driving while impaired by Ambien, and the

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fact that they have legal access to the medication doesn't protect them from prosecution.

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The dangers of Prozac to your ability to drive are much smaller, and would generally involve

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something like you suffering from a side effect like insomnia from the medication, which would

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then in turn impair your driving.

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But you can see what Alex is doing here, which is basically him desperately trying to find

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a foothold.

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He's throwing out the most loosely connected talking points because he's trying to find

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some kind of way to have a gotcha moment.

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O'Boyle has openly discussed how even some legal drugs can cause impaired driving and

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that can get you arrested, but agreement isn't what Alex is after.

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He's out for a dunk, so he takes this moment of agreement to extend things further outside

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the real parameters of what this interview is supposed to be about, hoping to create

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the appearance that he needs.

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Also, if Alex is really concerned about impaired driving from medications like Prozac, then

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I would think that you should be super in favor of blood testing.

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If you're not going to catch somebody with Prozac with a breath test, this is a point

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of incoherence in his position because he doesn't really have a position that ties together

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as much as he has a collection of separate stands he likes to take that are rooted in

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oppositional defiance.

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And like I'm saying, if this is sincerely just Alex being opposed to impaired or implied

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consent in various states, that makes sense.

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Sure.

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But that's not what he's doing.

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I find it fascinating.

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The term implied consent doesn't even come up.

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Here's what I find fascinating.

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And I think we all know it because it's something that we all do.

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We have a specific tone of voice created for a hysterical dick question.

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That like, oh yeah, well what about this?

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We all know it.

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We've all exercised it at a certain point or another.

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We all internalize the fact that we know if you make that voice, you're the one being

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an asshole.

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Right?

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You know it.

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There's no other way around it.

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Why is it that we allow it to just happen?

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If you hear that, shouldn't you be allowed to just go like, ha ha, I heard it.

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Ha ha.

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Nope.

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I can at least start to think like, these are deep waters.

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Yeah.

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I am not talking to somebody who wishes me well in this interview.

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Yeah, I see.

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I hear the sounds you're making.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it only kind of gets worse.

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Yeah.

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Has anybody died not giving blood in Wisconsin?

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No.

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Not that I'm aware of.

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And all our draws are done either in a hospital setting or we've had a medical provider come

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into the actual jail and do the draw there.

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What do you do if somebody refuses?

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If somebody refuses, and we've had this situation come up where they've essentially said, you

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know, you're going to have to hold me down to do it.

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And the law does allow us to use, officers to use a reasonable amount of force to obtain

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the blood sample.

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But typically what happens is the suspect will ask the nurse if they can do it, and

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the nurse will tell them, yeah, they can, and then the person cooperates.

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In 10 years, I've not seen a situation in my county where somebody's actually been physically

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held down to have the blood sample.

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Were you familiar with the executive order Clinton signed in 93 for urine and blood testing

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at driver's license facilities?

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No.

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That's actually the law, but they've never implemented it.

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I wonder what people are going to think going to get their driver's license when it's not

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just biometrics, but they want our blood.

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I'm not aware of that at all, and I don't think that's not done up here at all.

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Have you heard of the public schools now wanting that President Bush wants to drug test everybody?

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Uh, no.

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Yeah, he gave a radio address a few weeks ago.

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Oh, really, a radio address?

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Oh, a radio address.

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So Alex is implementing his next strategy to win the argument here by trying to make

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O'Boyle look uninformed by ambushing him with a bunch of weird Infowars talking points that

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he clearly has no familiarity with.

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The audience has heard Alex say these things and things like them for years, and they've

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been trained to think that if Alex is saying something, then it means something, it's big.

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So the effect here is to make O'Boyle look like a total idiot.

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He doesn't even know that Clinton signed this executive order demanding your blood?

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Sure, you may sound like a totally reasonable guy, but this guy's uninformed.

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How can I even take anything he's saying seriously?

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In his county, there's never been people being held down.

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Please.

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I'm just saying.

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I can't believe that.

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If you don't know that Clinton is trying to get your blood, then you shouldn't be an Attorney

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General.

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No.

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That's just a prerequisite for the job.

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District Attorney.

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I've been on LinkedIn.

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Uh-huh.

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District Attorney?

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Yeah.

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Never mind, he's doing the right thing.

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Sure.

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Yep.

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Just a load of shit.

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And again, I keep coming back to this, if Alex had the right argument, he has a good

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point.

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Yeah, no, 100%.

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It's infuriating.

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It is the way it is.

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Anyway, this was always meant to be a fight, and Alex is not getting there.

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How could you?

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You have to alert someone to it.

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Manny Pacquiao doesn't walk up into the fucking stands and punch somebody in the head.

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They do a whole thing.

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Alex started-

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Yeah, what am I?

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How old am I?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Alex started this off, though, with, here's a DA who loves taking her blood at checkpoints

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and he wants to talk all about it.

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It is a start.

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And it is not what this is.

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If this was that, there would have been an organic fight that would have started.

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But this guy doesn't have the positions that Alex has ascribed to him, and it's not working

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out.

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So Alex just has to get with the script and be like, look, I want to have a fight with

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you.

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Okay.

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I'm sure you've heard that a lot of schools are moving to drug testing everybody.

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You didn't hear that?

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Drug testing teachers or students?

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All the students.

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No, I'm not aware of that.

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What do you think of that?

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Well, I guess it depends on the, you know, what the circumstances are for the particular

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school.

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I don't know.

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It's hard to comment on something like that.

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Let me just say this.

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Okay.

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The-

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It's the school for fame.

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The mothers against drunk driving and the rest of it, and I've got the federal plans

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on this, the National Seatbelt Initiative Program, part three.

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They admit it's about getting us used to checkpoints, getting us used to having our vehicles hurt,

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getting us used to having our masters, the government, our owners, and I appreciate the

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great job you do owning us and running us, but at the same time, people are getting very

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angry about this and, you know, I'm not going to give my blood to anybody.

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I don't drink and drive and, you know, so I guess the police now are judge, jury, and

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executioner and they just go ahead and arrest me and take me on down to have my blood sucked

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or if I'm in Nevada or if I'm in someplace like Arizona, I guess they'll just hold me

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down on the side of the highway in a bed of fire ants and jab the needles into me.

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I, you know, I can't, I don't know what goes on in those other states.

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I only deal with what goes on in my jurisdiction in my state.

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I would find that kind of hard to believe that that would happen.

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Oops.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you would.

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Not taking the bait.

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You would find it kind of hard to believe.

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So this is the real point Alex wanted to get to from the start.

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This is the point where he gets to pretend he's speaking truth to power or he takes a

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stand against the man.

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It's just kind of not that compelling, though, because Alex fucked up with how he set up

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the skit.

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This was supposed to be a district attorney who loves taking your blood at checkpoints,

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which would have given Alex a perfect opportunity to take his stand and lambast this evildoer

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on behalf of the American people out there who don't have the voice that Alex has.

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You will not take my blood at a checkpoint, sir.

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But that failed because this guy doesn't do the thing that Alex said he does and he doesn't

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know about these other laws in states enough to comment on them.

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So yelling at him for that just isn't going to fly.

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Because Alex needed to pivot, and he starts trying to find the other little footholds

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where he might be able to get a chance to fight with him.

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Maybe he won't support arrests for people who are impaired by legal drugs.

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That could work.

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Maybe he'll be really into tying people down to forcibly take their blood after their arrest.

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That wouldn't be the same fight as I was supposed to be having, but it's close.

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All this failed, so now Alex is trying to manufacture whatever fight he can, and his

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last attempt is about how Bush apparently said on the radio that he wants a drug test

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everyone at schools.

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That'll get him.

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That didn't really spark a conflict, so Alex has no other option left than just to whine

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at him anyway as if they'd had a serious disagreement.

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Because that was the point all along.

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The point all along was to pretend that Alex is up against the avatar of the government

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who just wants to oppress everyone, so Alex gets to be the heroic voice of the people

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saying no, you will not.

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This just wasn't built right, and Alex just seems like he's whining.

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It's just not justified.

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This guy's polite, and he's sincerely answering Alex's questions, and then out of nowhere

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Alex launches into this diatribe.

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It's just unearned from a structural standpoint.

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You know what blows me away even further is that Alex didn't even take the opportunity

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to see if a fight could start whenever he...

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The guy was like, oh, most of our blood tests are taken in hospital settings or anything

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like that.

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Alex should then immediately be like, okay, well then would you do it on the side of the

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...

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If you had your drug, start something.

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You probably would say no.

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Here's the way you wedge the fight from there.

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Do you feel that your officers compel people whether or not they are forcing them?

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Do you feel like they're making it seem like people have to do it when they don't actually

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have to do it?

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That kind of thing could be a much better way to wedge an argument into a fight there,

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but Alex is just completely fucked up in how he built this fight.

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Or then you could make up all kinds of shit once you've got the cops involved.

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You can be like, you know, I've been hearing from a lot of people on the force in your

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area that they're against the rules that keep them from taking those blood tests.

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Why not make everything up?

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Yeah, why not?

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Who fucking cares?

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Right.

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Why are you doing the shitty version of the thing you could be doing?

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You've got this guy who probably isn't used to dealing with incredibly bad factors.

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Doesn't even know you could be.

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I think now in 2023, the whole of the world knows like, oh, people like this exist.

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Yeah.

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In 2004, he is blindsided.

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This existence is just not even, this is an alien.

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I was talking to your deputy yesterday and he tells me blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah, 100 years ago you're like, no, that's physically impossible for you to have been

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doing that.

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Right.

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Well.

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So we've laid out that we want to fight.

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Alex has made it clear that this is not a cool interview.

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White glove thrown.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And so now we're going to try and find other things to pick fights about.

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I think it's scary that they're leaving the breathalyzer, which you'll find somebody if

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they're drunk, and moving into sticking needles in.

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Well.

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That's very invasive.

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Well, but the problem is, you know, the law does allow when somebody, at least in my state,

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and I'm sure this is probably consistent in other states, once you're placed lawfully

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under arrest for drunk driving, law enforcement officials have the option of obtaining evidence

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and the blood is evidence of a crime.

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So they're law enforcement officials and authorities.

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They're not servants.

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What do you mean by?

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Well, we used to, just 10 years ago, it was public law enforcement, public servants, peace

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officers.

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It's enforcement now.

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It's authorities.

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It's officials.

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Well, I'm not sure, Mayor, there's semantics that, you know, a police officer puts somebody

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arrest under arrest for an OWI and, you know, they have the lawful, he can obtain evidence.

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What I'm saying, sir, is that the semantics are very important.

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For 10 years now, we've been called civilians.

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Police are civilians.

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Our mayor here in Austin calls us civilians.

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Is this a military government?

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I don't know what your mayor calls it down there.

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This is, like, the semantic argument is meaningless.

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This is just a weird direction that he's taking things in when there is a prime road to go

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down.

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If you want to talk about the issue, which is after you're arrested, you don't have the

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right to say no to your blood being taken, there is the issue.

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It's very simple.

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There is the point.

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We're talking about what terms are used, because I don't know why.

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What exactly are my rights the moment that you arrest me?

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You can take all of my blood?

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How much blood exactly do you get to have after I'm arrested, as far as consent is concerned?

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And how much do you get personally?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Are you a vampire?

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Eh, it would have been good to clarify.

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Eh, it would have helped.

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So Alex lays out his point here, and-

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Eloquently is a word you didn't add there.

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I feel like-

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I reserve judgment on that.

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But I do think that he doesn't do it well in a way that is not easy to sidestep.

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Well, look, this is the point I'm trying to make to you, okay?

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I'm a little lost to the point.

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Yeah, right?

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Well, Mr. O'Boyle, you know, I had you on, you sound like- you don't sound like a mean

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guy, so I'm not going to jump on you like I planned to do.

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But this is what I'm trying to say to you, okay?

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This is what I'm trying to get across to you.

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You can say it's the law.

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We had a law that black people weren't human beings.

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That doesn't make it just.

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We had a law that black people couldn't ride at the front of the bus.

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That doesn't make it just.

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We had a law that women couldn't vote.

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That doesn't make it just.

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So just because the courts say that you can have, you know, the nice men down at the jail

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sticking needles in us, and you've got your reasons to stop the evil drunk drivers.

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It's scary.

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It's out of control.

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It's Big Brother.

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Well, I guess that's your opinion.

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I don't, you know, I don't necessarily agree with that, but-

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And that's as easy as it is to move to the side of it.

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Sir, I'm a district attorney for a small county in Wisconsin.

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I didn't get into this business to, I guess, get on radio fights with you.

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Is that what your goal is?

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Well, the issue too is that like people putting needles in you is not Orwellian or Nazi-ish

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or whatever he wants to say.

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The idea that you don't have the ability to not consent to it is.

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And that is the distinction that Alex is failing to make in order to make this conversation

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make sense.

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Right.

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And that is trouble.

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And because Alex is saying that, it is easy just to be like, well, that's your opinion.

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You think that the police should not be able to take blood samples, period?

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Yeah.

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I think the police should not be able to take blood samples, period.

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Yeah.

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I haven't thought about it enough.

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I think mainly because, and this isn't a good reason, this isn't a good argument for all

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things.

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I think it is 100% accurate, is a hundred thousand years ago, needle would have scared

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my ancestors.

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Same difference.

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Your ancestors would have been scared of piss too, should they not be able to take a urine

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sample?

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I didn't say it was good for all arguments.

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I just said it was good for this one.

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But I mean, it does introduce the question of like where Alex's line would be.

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Can they not take fingerprints if they arrest you?

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I mean, at a certain point, at a certain point, you're asking what information do you have

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can they take from me that I don't even know they can take from?

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Right.

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And that's the issue.

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With fingerprints, if what you've got is my fingerprint and that is a fingerprint, fine.

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If you take my blood, you can find out all kinds of fucking shit from that stuff.

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Blood's got everything in there.

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You can clone me and shit.

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I'm not letting you clone me.

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They're not going to clone you?

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Oh, I'm so cloneable.

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I'm the most cloneable person.

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I feel like the market for Jordan clones is low.

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I say this with respect, because I say this with all due respect, because as I say it

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to you, I say it to me, equally valid about myself.

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We are not things that the world wants more than one of.

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We are not great.

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We have all sorts of problems in our blood.

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Not prime blood.

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Yeah, no, I don't think either of us would ever claim to be part of any master race.

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So Alex tries to find some bit of agreement in as much as like the roadside shit's bad,

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right?

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Yeah, it is.

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And this is an interesting tack, because he's been trying to sow division and start a fight

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on all these other fronts, and now this is like, I don't know about that, but at least

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come together on this point.

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Sure.

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Well, if I got you the articles out of Nevada and places where they do it on the side of

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the road, but we found photos this morning of the police sticking the needle on somebody

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on the side of the road.

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I mean, so you agree that's, that's, that's pretty scary.

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Well, I would agree that I would wonder why that's being done before I would go that far.

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Why, what authority would they have to do if it was being done with absolutely no lawful

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authority?

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Yeah, that's scary.

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Well, you know the law, we're under arrest when the, sir, we're under arrest when the

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blue and reds go on.

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No, we're not.

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Oh, really?

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Well, I'll get, I mean, I am a lawyer that's down if I don't stop.

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That's kind of my job.

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No, I doubt that.

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Oh, you haven't watched Fox News with the chases?

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I don't get Fox News up here.

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This is not great argumentation Alex is deploying.

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This is compelling radio.

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So then we tried to find this agreement about the roadside blood draws and it looked like

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there was a potential for some, uh, uh, some agreement there until Alex makes the very

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controversial statement that as soon as the cherries and berries go on, you're under arrest.

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That is an issue.

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Which is not true.

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That is a problem.

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There is that.

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That's a weird thought.

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Ah, man.

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I mean, I, I guess in this construction of what's the cherries and berries go on, you're

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under arrest.

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Alex is assuming he's guilty of something, right?

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Or he's going to be set up for something.

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But I mean, I feel like the real life scenario where Alex is taking this visage of once the

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stars and bars go on, you know, that whole thing.

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That's the flag.

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I know.

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I was just, uh, I was trying out, so, um, cause there's also, uh, whatever.

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Um, so he's, he's, he's drunk in this scenario.

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He's driving drunk.

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Or he's like me when I was high, like when I was like a kid and I was stoned, stoned

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driving around.

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I'm like, if those lights go on, I'm going to prison.

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I'm fucked.

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I'm going to have to, I'm, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You've imagined throwing drugs out the window.

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May have thrown drugs out the window.

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Yeah.

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But that's not, that's not the reality though.

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And Alex is, Alex is acting like, okay, just because when the lights go on, the situation

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has changed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That doesn't mean you're under arrest.

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It just means the situation has changed.

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You have to pull over.

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It does feel like if there is anybody that I would want in my front seat less, then I'm

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like, I'm going five miles over the speed limit and the lights go on.

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Alex should, I don't want you there, man.

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Alex pulls out a gun and starts shooting backwards at the tires.

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I don't want you to know.

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I don't want you to know.

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Stop.

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Come on.

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No.

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So anyway, Alex now wants to pick a fight about whether or not you're under arrest.

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That's fine.

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So, so you're saying I'm not under arrest in your county when the blue and reds go on.

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All right.

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Right.

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Definitely.

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Well then, well then what am I under when they do that?

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You're being stopped.

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You're not under arrest.

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Well, I don't think you've read the case law.

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Pardon?

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I don't think you've read the case law.

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Oh, I'm well familiar with the case law in my state.

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Well, let me just bring this up to you.

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I'm sure you heard about the Supreme Court case about that you have to show your ID.

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The courts have ruled hundreds of times, over 20 times in the Supreme Court that you don't

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have to show your ID walking down the street.

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You do with the motor vehicle they claim, but the Supreme Court is moving to say, oh,

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you got to show your ID.

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I mean, do you think I got to show my ID when I'm walking my dog?

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Legally, you don't have to.

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I mean, you just said that.

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But they still arrest people all the time for it.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Well, that's a pretty broad, broad sweeping statement.

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In Austin, Texas, it's called failure to ID.

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What's that?

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It's called failure to ID here.

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You're in Texas, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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I'm not familiar with your state's laws, so.

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Look, I'm just trying to pick your brain on several issues here.

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Yeah.

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I do like the way he's like, oh, I know what you're trying to do.

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He gets the picture of what's going on now.

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Yeah.

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But it's good to know that Alex is probably against like stop and frisk then.

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I guess.

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Yeah.

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Well, I guess he probably was at this point.

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I'm sure he's worried about all of them.

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These, you know, I think you do make an interesting, although not successful argument when you

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say, when I'm walking around, I don't have to provide my ID for no reason.

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But when I'm driving, I do.

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It seems like if there's a critical difference between the two, then maybe.

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Would a murder weapon be a critical difference between the two?

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A giant bomb, perhaps moving at high speed, would that be a difference between the two?

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What if you're walking around with a giant bomb?

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I feel like maybe show some ID.

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You know what?

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You can't take my blood.

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But if I'm walking around with a comically large bomb that has a skull and crossbones

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on it and you ask for my ID, I say reasonable question.

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You get a license for that bomb?

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Totally reasonable.

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Totally reasonable.

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The answer's no, but it's a reasonable question.

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Well, I guess by this standard, it does give kind of a glimpse into Alex's brain.

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And that is that if you're under arrest the second you start an interaction with a cop.

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Right.

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And it just means we are all preemptively under arrest right now.

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You know, that's the brain state that he's in.

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We are always in a liminal space between arrests.

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Once our paths intersect with a cop.

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We are either pre or post-inarrest.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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And that seems to me to be paranoid.

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I mean, I think what is actually very interesting about that, of all of the things, is that

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I do believe that that paranoia of the cops is indicative less of paranoia on his part

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and more on the absolute and utter abuse of police in this fucking country.

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I think for other people maybe, but for Alex, no.

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For Alex, yeah.

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I agree with you there.

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But I mean, that is the type of paranoia that is 100% if not like super reasonable, it is

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not unreasonable to believe that the cops are against you.

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But I...

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Here's...

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Okay.

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Here is...

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It's not unreasonable.

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Here is the distinction.

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Sure.

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If you believe that if you are interacting with a cop, things could go bad.

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Yeah.

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That has a kernel of rationality based on external circumstances, the world, the past

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information.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If you believe that according to case law, the second you interact with a cop you're

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under arrest, something's wrong.

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There is something wrong there.

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That is an absolutely incorrect belief.

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I think I would have taken that opportunity if I was him, because he'll never get it again.

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But in a very, I'd just be like, listen, Alex, in a very straightforward, non egotistical

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way, non threatening way, non...

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I'm not even trying to be a big man here.

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This isn't about that.

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Alex, I'm the district attorney.

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I am the law.

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I am the case law.

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That's me.

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The case law.

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This is my career.

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This is what I do.

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I never get to say I am the law.

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I would go a different direction with that.

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I would be like, no ego, none of that shit.

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Same prelude you gave, but like, you're a mess, man.

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You're on some whack shit, Alex.

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Hey, buddy.

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You need to talk to somebody.

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How about this?

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How about this?

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Let's end the interview right now.

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I'll go get a drink with you.

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I'm fine with that.

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You need help.

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Yeah.

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I'll give you some legal advice.

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Do you need legal advice?

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You're under arrest.

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Yeah.

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So Alex keeps up his other strategy that he was employing, which was throwing out news

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stories in order to try and confuse and befuddle the district attorney.

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Did you hear about Tulia, Texas, where they arrested the 50-plus people, no drugs or paraphernalia

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found?

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You know, I'm in Wisconsin.

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I don't keep up with the news that goes on in your state.

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Well, my point is, I don't even trust the government now to give us real tests, to give

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us real results.

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Separate complaint.

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Yeah.

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Just weird.

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I don't even...

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Mr. O'Boyle?

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Yeah?

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I don't have confidence in this government.

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I don't have confidence in its activities.

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Good for you.

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Is there something wrong with me?

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You certainly are entitled to your opinion.

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I suppose if you don't like it, you could move, but you're certainly entitled to your

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opinion.

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Well, wait a minute.

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I mean, yeah, but I'm going to stay here.

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I want to make people move out of the country that want to pull me over and jab needles

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in my arm.

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I mean, I want America to be America, Mr. Boyle.

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O'Boyle?

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Yeah?

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I'm trying to find something out here.

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Have you heard about the national news stories about cameras in school bathrooms?

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Sorry, what?

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No.

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And you keep asking me about stories here, there, and everywhere.

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No, I'm not aware of those.

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Well, because it all goes together.

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Because you wanted to talk about OWI laws and blood draws, not newspaper articles from

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all over the place.

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I'm not familiar with them.

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I have no idea why he hasn't hung up.

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All those long silences, clearly, it's just like, I don't know what he's talking about.

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I have nothing to say here.

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Just hang up.

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Yeah, I mean, at the very least be like, excuse me, what am I still doing here?

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Right.

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What do we do?

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What am I doing?

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I could just not be here.

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Do you think I'm involved in putting cameras in school bathrooms?

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I mean, there is a part of it like, actually, let's move this into a different, can I help

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you with something?

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This is now a business call that will be ending if I cannot perform customer service.

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I think he's more kind of bemused by like, what is even happening?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We've seen a couple of instances of this happen where like normal people accidentally end

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up on Alex's show and they're like, they have to put the pieces together of like, what world

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am I in?

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It takes a while.

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Yeah.

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It takes a while to explain why he's throwing out all these seemingly non sequitur articles.

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Yeah.

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Well, because it all goes together.

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I thought we wanted to talk about OWI laws and blood draws, not newspaper articles from

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all over the place.

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I'm not familiar with them.

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So it's really, I'm not in any position to comment on articles.

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Well, let me give you an example of why I'm saying this.

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You're prosecuting a guy that's got a long rap sheet.

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You want to bring in his criminal record to the jury.

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So I'm trying to give you a snapshot of the stuff that's going on to find out.

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I want to see what's going on in your head, why you think this blood sucking is okay.

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So I'm trying to find out here to see if you're informed to see if you know what's going on.

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About what?

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About the Orwellian garbage going on in the country.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with my law enforcement officers and this office, our

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office enforcing the OWI laws in the state of Wisconsin in my jurisdiction.

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Well, have you read the Wall Street Journal article?

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You know, I have not seen it.

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I was surprised to actually get the phone call that you about this whole article because

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I have not seen it yet.

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Were you interviewed by the Wall Street Journal?

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Yeah, I was, but it was quite some time ago.

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Yeah.

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So he did this interview with the Wall Street Journal a while ago, didn't know the article

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was coming out, got this call from Alex and boy, he should, you know, maybe the communications

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department where he's at is not up to snuff.

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But again, people didn't know about Alex back then.

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No, no.

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This just would have seemed like a regular radio interview request.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wonder what that would, I wonder what the conversation was like.

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Afterwards?

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No, before.

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Oh.

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About whether or not to go.

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I mean, afterwards it had to have been a fantastic time.

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Right.

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I don't wonder about that.

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I wish I was there.

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Either we're all laughing or you're fired.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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There's no middle ground.

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No, no, no, no.

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It is just like he got the request, right?

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There was probably somebody at the office who took it, who was like, and then they just

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passed it off.

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You know, there was no like, did they even Google Infowars?

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Google existed in 2004.

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Yeah, but I honestly think unless you spend a little time on the website, sometimes Infowars

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might not seem like that crazy of a website.

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Because if you just, if you're not reading what's actually on the page, it kind of has

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the appearance of just like a news site.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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And that is somewhat intentional.

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Yeah.

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I do, I do, boy, it should be a lot harder than just, well, as long as you don't read,

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we've got you.

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Actually in 2004, it did look a little bit crazier.

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They've streamlined things to not look so nuts.

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But still, yeah, I would assume very little checking this time.

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Yeah, there had to have been very little checking.

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But again, there is just such a problem with Alex not being specific what his complaint

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is, because it's clearly the drawing blood at checkpoints, which this guy doesn't do.

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He doesn't have any comment on because it's not done in his state.

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Alex can shift the goalposts to implied consent being something that police are able to use

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in various states.

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If you were to do this, it would make more sense.

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If it's just drawing blood, this is a nonsensical conversation.

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And it's saying like all this Orwellian garbage that's going on in the country, like all these

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other stories as if they connect.

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Like this guy isn't doing any of those things.

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Right.

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So when you're trying to make the comparison to like you're prosecuting someone and you're

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bringing in their rap sheet, that's not his rap sheet.

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What are you talking about?

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Right.

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I think this is a secret that can get in the way for Alex.

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Because another part of that is not just like, let's start an argument with all of these

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nonsensical things that he's tossing out.

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There's also a part of it that's like, let's hope he gives me the argument to give back

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to him.

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Because there is like, okay, well I can't understand what you're saying.

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This happens all the time.

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It happens with Trump and it happens with all of these people where it's like you're

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talking to a reasonable person and they go, I can't understand what it was that you were

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just talking about because it was stupid and insane.

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So I'm going to give you the largest possible benefit of the doubt and come up with something

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that sounds like that might be what you were trying to say.

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And then I'm going to argue that.

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But this guy's not doing that much.

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He's not doing that.

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No, no, no, no.

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Alex is getting nothing out of this.

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And long silences.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, the interview ends as well as it began.

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It'd be almost impossible for me to comment on something that's happened in Nevada that

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I have no knowledge of.

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Well, I mean, I literally read to you from the Wall Street Journal and I'm just trying

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to talk about this progression here and as a public servant, as, as an official on authority,

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I was trying to find out what your view on it is.

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It's hard for me to give it a view on something that I'm not, I'm not familiar with what articles

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is that what we grew up to think of America is guys in black uniforms holding somebody

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down and putting a needle in their arm.

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I don't know.

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It depends on each given person.

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Do you guys still wear blue uniforms up there or are they black uniform?

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I don't wear uniform at all.

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You know, they have different colors.

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What's your, what's your county swatch?

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What are we doing?

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I don't think it's either one.

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Black Widow?

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Nope.

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Well, what is it then?

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I'm almost thinking it's an Eagle if they have a symbol at all.

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An Eagle?

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I don't even know if they have a symbol to be honest with you.

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An Eagle.

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Well, I've never, that's, that's good.

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Good old Eagle.

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I don't know.

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Is that all it takes?

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Well, John O'Boyle, I'll let you go and go read the article.

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We appreciate you coming on the show and I don't think you're a bad guy.

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I think you mean well, but, but this isn't America and you need to research the things

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I've told you about because it's all documented.

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I'll go right on it.

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Thanks.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Sure thing, buddy.

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That, that genuinely might as well be like, have you heard what Mr. Tumnus is doing in

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Narnia?

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I hope I'm going to dig into this as soon as I get a chance.

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This isn't the Narnia I grew up with.

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I think that, um, you witnessed somebody who's a normal person, uh, navigate as best you

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can really, an interview with Alex and then end with a nice little jab that is very clear

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and the callers who call in later very clearly got like, he's not going to look into this

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stuff.

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So, so it came across that it was disrespectful.

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Yes.

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Good.

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Good.

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I'm glad.

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But in that Wisconsin way, that Midwest disrespect.

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There is, there is a, a clash of disrespects between the Midwest and uh, and the Texas,

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you know, uh, I didn't hear a bless your heart once.

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That's not Alex's kind of Southern disrespect.

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No, that's true.

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That is true.

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His disrespect is more like, you're a...

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Fuck you.

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A pencil neck piece of shit.

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You dweeb fuck.

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Absolutely.

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I will choke you out with my bare hands.

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Or just like a traditional eighties bully.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this interview ends and Alex comes back from break saying, what a great job I did.

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No.

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He has a little bit of news that it's shocking didn't come up in the interview.

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Right now in Wisconsin, they're trying to pass a law under federal funding, of course,

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to arrest adults, to take your children, doesn't matter if you're an 80 year old lady, you

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got to take all the vaccines they say are mandatory.

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Whenever they say, whenever new vaccines, they come out and make mandatory, you've got

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to take those too.

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And again, public officials, authorities, our masters, our rulers, our owners, our keepers,

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the people that run us in our lives, in our free country will just say, it's for your

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safety.

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We're doing it for you.

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We just had a district attorney from Wisconsin on the show.

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Why didn't you bring this up with them?

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That's the one place you did not talk about.

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Constantly, you brought up nonsense that has to do with other states.

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From Canada.

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His response was, I cannot respond to, I don't really have a thought on that.

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I don't know enough about their law.

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I'm from Wisconsin.

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Here's a story from Wisconsin.

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Let's talk.

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Would have been, it would have gotten around that rebuttal that he has, but Alex didn't

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bring that up because he knows that this story is also full of shit.

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So you bring it up afterwards.

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Anyway, he succeeded, I think Alex did on one front.

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And that is that he made O'Boyle look stupid to the audience by bringing up all of these

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news stories that he didn't know about.

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And so when he goes to calls, that is a theme that runs through.

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Oh, I guess up next is Drew in Texas.

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Drew, go ahead.

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Hi, Alex.

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Good to talk to you again.

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Good to talk to you.

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I couldn't believe that character, that O'Boyle character, the DA in Wisconsin.

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Yes, Mr. Boyle on the surface of America.

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I mean, the guy sounds like he's a high school dropout.

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He's a complete idiot.

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I can't believe the people up there would vote for somebody like that.

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I assume they elect their DA's up there like they do here or everywhere else.

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Well, you know, so many times you talk to the authorities, the officials, we're the

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civilians and they just don't know anything.

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They just, but, but on that civilian point, you know, the semantics of how they're the

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military state, he had to go, yeah, I've heard that.

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What is that?

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But the guy sounds like he's completely in the dark about everything.

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I mean, everything you brought up, he just, I'm not aware of this.

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I'm not aware of that.

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You know, I mean, was he been hiding under a rock or what?

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Well, it's like Sergeant Schultz.

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I know nothing.

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I know nothing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That is like that.

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Yeah.

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So by throwing out all of this info wars inside nonsense, you're able to essentially protect

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yourself from having an embarrassing interview like Alex just did because the audience will

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view this person as like on another planet because he is, he's on the real planet as

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opposed to the prison planet weirdo nonsense.

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Yeah, I think I find it, I find it interesting to me personally just because I don't have

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that like I am not comforted by someone stroking my ego.

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Like it's not a comforting thought for me, you know?

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So like for Alex to come away from this and have people be like, this is, see look at

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all this stuff.

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This is all why you're okay.

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This is all why you're good.

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This is all why you're good.

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All of that stuff to me, that would immediately trigger the like, Oh, I fucked up.

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That was shit.

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That was absolute garbage.

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That's why people are being nice to me.

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And it doesn't trigger for Alex.

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Alex is like, thank God all these people are so nice all the time.

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But that, that, that is also not like the way the audience is interpreting it.

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Right?

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No, I know.

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It's, it's, it's, I mean, I'm fascinated by it cause I just do not understand it at all.

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Like just on a, like I don't get it.

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It's, I mean, it's almost like they have just been completely different information space

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where A is B and B is L. Sure, I just be more like the emotional space

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of like if people, if I am feeling like I had a bad interview with this guy and he didn't

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give me what I want, people call in and say, this guy's dumb.

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You know?

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That's the thing.

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Yeah.

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I don't think Alex thinks that was a bad interview.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Probably not.

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Oh.

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So, uh, there's another caller who wants to just talk shit about, uh, O'Boyle, uh, because

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that's pretty much the theme of calls.

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Yeah.

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Well, I imagine so.

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And Todd is calling us from California.

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Go ahead.

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Yes, sir.

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That, that seemed like a boxing match.

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Um, you got him on the rope at some point and you kept hitting with body blows about

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sources and all he could do was say plausible deniability.

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The thing is the judges are not on the side of truth, so he gets to actually pretend that

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he serves the people.

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My, my main concern is when he finished up your interview, he gave that little spine

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rubaric of, I'll look into that kind of thing, but I don't think he's going to read when

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he finishes up.

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No, no, but what are you going to do?

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He's going to call everyone who put him in that line of fire and say, I'm going to test

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you, you and you for even making me that exposed because I need to perpetuate my myth.

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Well, maybe he is a, I mean, he's probably some sports fan who goes right to the sports

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bar immediately after work or, you know, goes to the, to the local arena or maybe he goes

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and plays rocket ball.

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I mean, he didn't even know he was in the wall street journal until a day later.

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No, but all he had was plausible deniability.

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This guy was in the front page of the, maybe he didn't know anything.

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This guy was in the front page of the wall street journal yesterday and no one let him

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know he was in it until we called him.

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And then I said, did you interview the wall street journal?

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He goes, uh, uh, uh, yeah, that's not quite, uh, they're kind of mischaracterizing things.

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Yeah.

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Um, but you know, I think that that is the reality that sometimes you don't hear about

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things that's happened to us before in terms of us being covered in some like a Newsweek

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article or something like that.

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I didn't know about this until people brought it to my attention.

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There is an amount of things that I encounter on like a daily basis where I go, there's

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no way.

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And then it's like, yeah, millions of people listen to that every single day on a daily

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basis where the amount of people there are and the amount of fractures there are means

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that there's a million things that I have no concept of.

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Yeah.

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This guy was in an article in the wall street journal.

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He was interviewed in it.

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I, I, I, he's going about his life.

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He's busy.

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I'm not surprised he didn't hear about it.

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I guess I am a little surprised maybe that the person who wrote it didn't say, Hey, it's

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coming out tomorrow or whatever, but that's not necessary.

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It seems like a strange thing to attack somebody for.

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Right.

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I think in the world that we exist in, these types of media outlets, when they do a thing,

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it is very important.

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In the real world, no one gives a fuck what the wall street journal interviewed a district

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attorney about in Wisconsin.

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Period.

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Period.

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It's for the rest of life.

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It's not page one.

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No one cares.

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Leading the show.

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It is there because you have to fill out a certain number of pages.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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He gets to the other interview of the show that I didn't realize was going to happen.

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It takes a bunch of boring calls and I figured, Oh, that's the rest of the show.

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He gets to this other interview because he wants to have somebody who's on the other

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side of the issue.

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Wait, somebody who's anti or wait, somebody who's pro.

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No.

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Cause the DA was supposed to be pro taking blood at the roadside.

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So now we've got somebody who's anti taking blood.

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Well, he's anti here's the thing, it's a doctor.

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Sure.

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It's a doctor person who's a normal person, a reasonable person who's accidentally stumbled

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into Alex's orbit.

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Oh, you fucked up kid.

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But he also doesn't really fall into Alex's model of what he has set him up to be.

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He isn't somebody who's like, you shouldn't be drawing blood at all.

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Just not without consent.

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You should not force people.

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This doctor has the argument that Alex should be making, but it isn't the argument that

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Alex has been making.

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So anyway, it's a little bit weird.

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This is a quote from the doctor who's with us now for me to draw blood from a patient

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who was refusing to have his blood drawn, unless I have compelling medical reasons for

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that blood sample, I'm committing assault and battery, and I'm not going to do it.

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Says Dr. Phil Brewer, president of the Connecticut college of emergency physicians and a fellow

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with the national highway traffic safety administration.

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And he joins us now.

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And again, this sets the precedent, forced inoculations, all of it, sticking needles

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in people and taking what they taking their person, Dr. Brewer, thank you for holding

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during my diatribe.

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Welcome.

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Hi, how are you?

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I'm, I'm doing all right, but I seem to be informed on this.

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The district attorney wasn't, I have articles where the cops take the blood on the side

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of the road, but why are you against this?

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Well, what I'm against is, what I'm for, it's probably easier to explain what I'm for.

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I'm certainly for pursuing drunk drivers or people who are impaired drivers.

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But there's a method for doing that.

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And when it comes to drawing their blood, the laws in the states that I'm aware of only

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do that under informed consent, meaning the person is asked for permission to draw their

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blood.

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And if they agree, then I'm perfectly willing to draw it.

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And if they disagree that I'm perfectly unwilling to draw it, Wisconsin did 22,000 of these

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in 99 alone.

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And I've talked to people where they demand the blood and the point is they have the flashlights

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that are really breathalyzers.

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I mean, you can, they could even hold money down and get their breath.

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Well then dude.

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From what I understand, I don't think just showing the presence of alcohol, which is

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what the flashlights can do, is not enough evidence to convict somebody of a DUI.

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You have to establish what their level is.

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So he's explaining why you would take the blood.

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Right.

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So that kind of is against Alex's premise.

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Although I would say that if you're holding somebody down and taking their breath, it

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kind of is the same problem.

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I mean, I would say there's a little bit difference in terms of finding a vein.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In terms of potential damage you could do to somebody, yes, there is a difference.

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But overall, yeah.

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But if we're talking about abstractly the tyranny of it all, it seems pretty similar

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to me.

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I would say the moment you put a knee on the back of my skull.

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I'm less interested in what's going on after that point.

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If it's taking breath or blood.

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Yeah.

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At that point, I've got a larger problem and that's getting your knee off my head.

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You know?

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So.

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That should be job number one.

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The thought strikes me.

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You know, I was just thinking about this and why it's like, I am fucked up about this.

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I don't think people should, I don't think the government should take blood.

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And then the more I think about it, the more I'm like, it's so superstitious, that idea

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of that.

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The more I think about it, the more I think absolutely the opposite of that.

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Blood is one of the most insanely information rich things that you could possibly give somebody.

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But it's-

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It is so ridiculous.

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But it's still superstitious for you to think they're going to clone you.

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No, no, no, no, absolutely not.

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That's not what I'm, I'm not actually concerned about them cloning me.

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Right.

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But it is fascinating to me that it is more reasonable to be worried about somebody taking

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your blood now than it is in the past.

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And yet we're more reasonable for somebody taking our blood now than it would be in the

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past.

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Yeah.

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If that makes sense as far as superstition is concerned.

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Sure.

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I think, I think that there are issues that come into it about like retaining the blood

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or you know, what they're doing with it, you know, that I would have concerns about.

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Sure.

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But if it is just for the sake of running a breathalyzer type alcohol test, not breathalyzer

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in this case.

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But you know what I mean?

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Right, right, right.

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If it is just that, then I don't know what the superstitions or the fear of the information

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is there.

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Right, right.

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I mean, I think it's just an, an element of like, listen, you fucked up too many times.

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You didn't, you didn't, you didn't do anything about it.

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You fucked up too many times.

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The police as an institution do not have the level of trust that you would require.

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They just don't.

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And again, that is a different conversation.

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It is a completely different conversation.

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So this doctor, Alex had the first guest on.

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Yeah.

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And he asked him about this, uh, Bill Clinton wants all your blood.

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He does.

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And, uh, this comes up because this doctor is actually in favor of that.

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The doctor, this is in America, having them grab people, hold them down and take their

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blood.

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Uh, yeah, I don't, I don't, uh, I certainly don't agree with that.

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I do agree with the, with the principle that when you get a driver's license, if you refuse

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to give blood, then you may forgo your driving privileges for a set period of time.

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And that's a Supreme court argument, is it a privilege or not?

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Uh, if it's the general can agreed upon conveyance, it's not, but they have it listed the automobile

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as the unusual conveyance, but that's a whole other debate.

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And obviously you're involved with the, uh, traffic safety administration, the federal

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government.

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So you're probably an expert on this, but so what's going on here is that Alex, something

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that he was attacking the other guest for he's hand waving away with this guest because

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he knows, he knows about it.

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He understands the thing about to say, yeah, this is very suspicious.

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Yeah.

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And what Alex is also revealing is some like sovereign citizen type beliefs about the mod,

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the mode of conveyance.

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I have the right to travel the moment.

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It was like the usual version.

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And that's why Alex doesn't want to get into this conversation anymore deeply because this

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guy knows what he's talking about and Alex would have to come off like a sovereign citizen

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weirdo.

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Don't want to do that.

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Nope.

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So Alex explains that, uh, his, uh, his opposition to, uh, forcibly drawing blood here, which

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makes sense.

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Let's get into the blood.

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Why are you against this?

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Um, well, again, I don't think that, uh, I think when people are brought to emergency

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departments or to hospitals, um, for medical care, um, that's the, that's the healthcare

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team, the physician and nurses and so forth, that's their first responsibility is to take

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care of that patient.

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Um, they have other responsibilities to protect, uh, the general health and safety.

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Um, and if they can do both in a, in ways that don't interfere with each other, uh,

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that's fine.

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But I think if you are, uh, if you have a person who does not want to give blood and

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you're literally wrestling them down to take blood from them against their will, uh, that's

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clearly way beyond the bounds of, uh, of medical care.

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So I, that, that's why I'm against it.

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I don't think we should be, uh, wrestling people to the ground and taking blood from

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them.

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I myself have never seen that happen.

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Um, in fact, I think the police, uh, at least in my state, the police rarely do that.

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I've been in Connecticut for 18 years and I can only recall one time in 18 years when

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a, uh, state police officer, uh, came to the hospital requesting us to draw somebody's

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blood.

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And this part of the, this neck of the woods is not done very often.

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Okay.

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So it sounds like, it sounds like this is not quite the issue that Alex is making it

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out to be.

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Uh, yeah, I immediately do not care, but the point that the guy is making is fine.

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It's valid.

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Totally, totally.

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And especially like the, the distinction too is a little bit interesting between what he's

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talking about is like healthcare workers and their obligations.

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And that doesn't even like deal with the side part of it that is police stations and police

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departments that have their own phlebotomy training.

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So it's not even a doctor who is drawing the blood.

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It could just be a police officer, which you should absolutely be not comfortable with.

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It seems, it seems like that's the case.

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And the concerns that he has about like your responsibilities as a physician, that seems

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like it might not apply necessarily to the police phlebotomists.

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Um, but we don't get into any of that because yeah, I mean, it does feel like, Hey, uh,

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so the reason that it goes like this is their first obligation is to the patient and also

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we have legal protections in terms of their medical information that can be or cannot

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be shared with everybody.

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HIPAA.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We have all of that stuff in place.

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So, uh, I'm fine.

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So the doctor brings up a point about his state, which is that you need a court order

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if they say that you can't draw blood tough.

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If you don't get consent, uh, you need a court order, which is the case in a lot of States

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at this point right now, pretty universally.

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Do they, uh, uh, it's, I'm from, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand, if, uh,

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in those circumstances, if somebody refuses, um, certainly in Connecticut, you, you can

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only do it with a court order, uh, not in these other States that you can all color

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of law.

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If they beat the living tar out of you stomp on your head, I mean, I mean around here in

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Texas when they arrest you, I mean, you can get out peaceful, but they go ahead and slam

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you around a bit.

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So it's kind of a, right, right.

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It is, it is interesting the way Alex constantly brings up the term color of law.

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I don't know if he knows what that means, but I think they think he thinks it sounds

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good.

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Hmm.

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And it's a good way.

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It's a good way around.

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A lot of conversations.

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There's color of law.

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Yeah, I think he means the color of law is red and blood, beaten, beaten, beaten, beaty,

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very beaty.

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So, um, Alex doesn't seem to really think that, uh, drunk driving is a big deal.

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That seems to be a lot of what is underneath his arguments.

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Yeah.

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There is definitely the, like, I will not give up my Liberty and be poked.

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Yeah.

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There's that.

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Yeah.

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The second part is he does not seem to think that there's a reason to be concerned about

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drunk driving.

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I don't see how he, I feel like these are two things that are not in opposition.

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I don't think you should drunk drive and I also don't think the cops should have my blood.

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These are not in opposition.

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They can, they can coexist.

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Yeah.

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Um, so the doctor here tries to explain to Alex that, uh, drunk driving is a, it's a,

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it's an issue.

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It's bad.

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I can honestly say that with maybe four or five exceptions, um, over 20 years of practicing

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full time as an emergency physician, um, I've never had a shift without at least one person,

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uh, who was a victim of, uh, uh, a drunk driving accident.

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Uh, that, that's how widespread it is and how big a problem it is.

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Uh, it makes, I mean, the issue of, of people dying from drunk drivers makes nine one one

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look pretty minor by comparison.

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Yeah, but, but, but those that will give up liberty to attain security will get and deserve

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neither.

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I mean, you know, shutting up people's blood, I mean, I'm more afraid of that than I am

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drunk drivers.

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I mean, I drive all the time.

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Every once in a while you see a drunk, the police pull them over.

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I mean, I know thousands and thousands and thousands of people die every year, drunks,

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but thousands and thousands die from distracted drivers.

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I mean, now they want to mount cameras in the cars to make sure you're not distracted.

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Have you seen those articles?

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Um, yeah, I don't, uh, big brother will keep me safe.

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I mean, yeah, well, I, I, there, there were 17,000 deaths last year, uh, and that doesn't

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count people who were permanently maimed and disfigured and disabled.

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Uh, so it's, it's a huge problem.

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It's like if you took a, uh, 737 and crashed it, uh, full of passengers every day, that's

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basically what we're faced with.

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No, I know, but here's the deal.

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It's never going to stop.

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There's more bars everywhere.

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The society is designed to do it.

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Humans have been guzzling alcohol.

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Society is designed to drink and drive.

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We're going to end up with the entire population in prison and it's just going to continue.

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Yeah, so why do anything about it?

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Who cares?

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Who gives a shit?

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So if I understand correctly, my big concern with this whole anti-drunk driving thing is

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that we're all going to be in prison, which would solve the problem.

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Society is designed to hype and drive, drive, drive, drive drunk.

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I I'm, I'm interested in this point because it really is difficult for me to distinguish

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where the motivation really lies.

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Yeah.

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Like there is obviously a incoherent opposition to people having their blood drawn by this.

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Sure.

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Which we can generously say is without their consent, but then we can tentatively agree,

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but you have that going on over here and then behind it is a, why should anybody do anything

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to stop drunk driving?

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It's very childish.

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I can't, I can't assume that a perfectly designed, perfectly consensual system that involves

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trying to stop drunk driving would be something Alex would be in favor of because it seems

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like he's just like, no, don't do anything to stop drunk driving.

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I mean, it's, it's, I feel like it's similar to those people who I remember growing up,

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you know, and not even growing up like 10 years ago or whatever it is, whenever you're

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going back to a small town or something and you see the playgrounds and you're like, oh,

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back in my day, everything was sharp and concrete and everything was stainless steel and shit.

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And the people who were like, yeah, those were better days.

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It's like, you're insane.

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You're an insane person that is crazy stupid dangerous.

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You have forgot of all of the people, the people that we all knew who got seriously

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injured, seriously injured, and it's not more fun.

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No, you see those playgrounds now they're shiny.

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There's all kinds of colors and shit.

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There's like soft things that you can land on what insane person is like, oh, those jungle

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gyms were better when they were made of knives back in my day, cops would stop you when you're

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drunk and they'd say, get home, make sure you bring some cigarettes home to your dad.

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Back in my day, I would drive drunk in a trailer tractor down the street.

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I mean, look, I don't want to come off as a hypocrite because when I was younger, I

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did drive drunk and I was an idiot.

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I shot.

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It was safe because I had those delusions that people have when they're drunk.

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Yeah.

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It's like, this is totally fine.

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This is the deal.

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Yeah.

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And I still will look back wistfully sort of to like driving drunk in a golf cart around

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a golf course.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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That feels a little different.

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Yeah.

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Still the same principle.

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You're operating a motored vehicle while you're impaired.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to like take some sort of a holier than

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thou aspect.

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But Alex's position is pretty stupid.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it's incredibly stupid.

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I don't have a leg to stand on.

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This guy, this fucking guy, I just, I find the argument like people are going to do it

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so well gives it is just, um, I don't know.

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It's it seems like, but I can't control everybody's behavior, so I make anything better.

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Well, I'm reluctant to say it's beneath Alex, but somehow it does feel like it is.

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It seems so dumb and without thought that it's, it's, it's because it is quitting.

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It's defeat, it's not, it's not losing.

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It's not admitting defeat.

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It's quitting.

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It's Alex being like, no, no, no.

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And then walking away.

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It's a condescending quitting.

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Yeah.

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That is, uh, yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's tacky.

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Fuck off.

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Goosh.

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Yeah.

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I'd throw something.

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So the argument here then becomes about, um, breathalyzers and cars.

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Yeah.

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Because, uh, we've heard at this point in Alex's career that he's insisting that they're

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going to put breathalyzers in everybody's cars in order to robotically control everybody's

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cars.

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And so this comes up with the, uh, with the doctor, uh, but, uh, you know, there's a move

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in New York, the move it's almost past it's out of the house, uh, in New Mexico to make

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everybody get in their car and have a breathalyzer detector automatically.

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I mean, I'm not going to put up with that.

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Uh, what's your comment on that?

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Well, I don't think, uh, having breathalyzers in all cars is, is needed or warranted.

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Um, the, the great majority of drivers, uh, do not drive under the influence of alcohol.

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And there are plenty of drivers who drive under the influence of other drugs that aren't

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detected by breathalyzers.

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So that would be a huge expenditure.

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Um, it, by the way, this district attorney said that if you're on Ritalin or Prozac and

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they test your blood and find it, they'll go ahead and arrest you, even if it's prescribed.

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Well, if, if it can be shown that, that you're impaired by it, that's a pretty difficult

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thing to do.

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That's not what the guy said.

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That's not quite what he said.

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That was just a little, little trying to be like, Hey, let's make friends by insulting

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this other guy I talked to.

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Yikes.

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Why is it being so nice to this guy?

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I have no clue what is going on.

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It is very strange.

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And we have one last clip here because this, this breathalyzer thing in the car goes on.

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Yeah.

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And in the process of talking about it, this doctor legitimately destroys Alex's argument

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about like the breathalyzer.

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About not having it in there.

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Yeah.

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About, yeah.

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Alex is saying that they're going to be in every car.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Globalist takeover, blah, blah, blah.

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This guy's like, no, absolutely not.

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And here's why not.

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Right.

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Why isn't Alex fighting him?

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He's a doctor.

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So ridiculous.

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This, why isn't this turning into a fight?

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So the, the thing that seems to have the least negative impact on the family and the best

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positive impact on, on reducing drunk driving is an interlock device or, you know, breathalyzer

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that's hooked up to your ignition.

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But, but again, that's, that's not for everybody.

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That's for repeat offenders, especially people.

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Yeah, but you notice how this works.

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Now they're wanting to make it for everybody.

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Well I, I, uh, I haven't, uh, I don't know of any places where there's actually a law

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that's advancing and where that's likely to happen.

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Very close to passing in New Mexico and New York.

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Um, well, I haven't, I'm right next door to New York and, and, uh, I've, I've not seen

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that.

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Um, I, I would be extremely astonished, uh, that, that would be such an unpopular law.

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I mean, that would basically be a six or $700 tax on every single car.

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Uh, I can't imagine that actually being enacted.

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That's the house in New Mexico.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, sometimes people pass laws knowing that they're not going to be signed

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into law for political reasons.

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I doubt very much that, uh, uh, bill Richards, uh, who I think is a governor of New Mexico

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would stay governor very long if you signed that law.

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Yeah, they got a new one.

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Whoever the governor is, what a loss, what a loser he or she, because, uh, that'll, that'll

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be the end of their term.

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No, I think it is.

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I think it's Bill Richardson, former Clemson energy secretary.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Should've been a fight, right?

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I mean, he's just completely deconstructed why Alex's conspiracy is dumb.

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Doesn't make sense.

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People wouldn't do.

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Yeah.

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It's just like, I think it's not bill Richardson anymore.

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I know that was the saddest.

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They got a new one.

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They got a new one.

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And you know what, here's what's happening.

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Yeah.

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There's this issue that Alex has a take on that's fucking dumb.

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It's stupid.

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He has got the two people or two of the people who are referenced in this article to come

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on the show and he has slotted them in as one is an adversarial interview and the other

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is a friendly interview.

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And he can't, he can't get off track with them.

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No, they're both completely same people who have pretty similar positions.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And Alex is trying to attack the shit out of one of them and brand him as a vampire

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district attorney and the other doctor is apparently fine, like being cool with giving

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blood when you get your license and with the fact that there aren't going to put breathalyzers

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in everybody's car.

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No, no, no.

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I mean, listen, the first time you see the Don Tilta windmill, you go, hey, that guy's

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nuts.

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Then you see him fuck a windmill and you're like, I don't even know what's going on with

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this interview about a doctor here.

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So I, I think it makes more sense than, than Quixote, but I like, I just love the, I love

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the single most reasonable consequence thing that I've ever, I've ever heard on Info Wars,

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which is just him being like, you know, if they had that system, it's going to be about

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a $600 tax on every car, just the most reasonable ass, boring, because in another party that

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number is he bases it on like what it would cost to put it in the car and then upkeep

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that everyone would have to pay for.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just, just as such, just such a simple, like, and the totally reasonable thing, like, yeah,

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the governor would never sign that they would be out of office so fast.

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No, you're just making, you're just, you're too angry for this.

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And I think it's also damning for Alex to, uh, so casually and easily admit sometimes

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people pass legislation that they know isn't going to, just to be like, yeah, publicity.

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They totally knew that you're the one who's supposed to think everything's a goddamn conspiracy.

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You know, like if you know that, then why are you so mad about all these, uh, nonsense

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bills that are going to die in committee or, or at the very least, if you do know that

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you can be so mad at all of these, but sometimes, sometimes at least you have to be like, ah,

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we caught him on this one.

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This is just a publicity, some bullshit instead of every time it's like, aha, this is connected

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to everything.

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At the very least, you got to give me a little taste of what it's like when people are full

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of shit.

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Now, what's interesting to me when you take a step back and you look at this, this day

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on Alex's show is that there was a potential for this to be incredibly informative for

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the, for the audience, because you have two people who are coming at it from a medical

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perspective and from a legal perspective who both do not seem to be super into the idea

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of implied consent, uh, allowing for forcible blood draws from people.

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The guy from Wisconsin is not in favor of roadside blood shit.

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The uh, the, the doctor is not in favor of anything forcible.

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It seems even from what he's saying that he's not even in favor of it when there's a court

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order.

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So like, there is a possibility that you can actually explore this issue and make an informed

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uh, make the public more informed about an issue that can change, which is needing, uh,

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like actual consent, needing informed consent, uh, for the, uh, giving of blood.

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And instead Alex just goes this conspiracy route that is just incoherent.

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Like it's all like, I just don't want blood, I don't want pokes.

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No, I think, I think there's something within this that is like, uh, you can extrapolate

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out towards, towards the fucking way shit works of just like, these are two people interacting

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with Alex, right?

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Now these two people, if they were to sit down and have a reasonable conversation, they

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would not disagree on a lot.

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They would disagree on some things, you know, but there would be a reasonable conversation

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at the end of it.

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It would be like, the biggest thing we agree on is that this is a process that can be out

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of control and needs to be under control, right?

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Which is essentially what Alex would get to.

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That's the, that's the idea.

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Either get rid of it all together, which is just controlling it in some fashion, you know,

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whatever, whatever degree of control you'd like there.

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But that's not what Alex would get to.

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But in the intervening time period, Alex is giving these two people such distorted views

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of the world that if they were to then go to isolated groups who shared those views,

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they would suddenly start to think that this shit made sense.

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You know, like this is such a weird way of how the world works with these types of disagreements,

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you know, like suddenly this gets turned into an emotional, uh, fucking, they'll never put

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a breathalyzer in my car instead of being like a, no, I'm a district attorney.

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I think also there's silly reasons why this would never happen.

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Yeah, totally.

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Like all of this stuff is there and you don't need to yell because just the logistics of

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this will stop it will be all right.

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Yeah.

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I swear to you, you could stop talking and we'll never hear about this again.

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You know, like that kind of thing.

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And then to see the way that if, if Alex is not allowed to infect it, everybody just goes

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along their, their own business.

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But when Alex is allowed to infect a topic like this, if Alex doesn't infect it, there's

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a chance for actual change.

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That's what I'm saying.

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As there has been it around the issue of, uh, of implied consent.

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Right.

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And so many of these things are the things that we don't see because they're not the

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big, huge argument that everybody's fighting about all the time.

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You know, they're not suddenly overturned or hijacked by Alex's ilk of like, oh, well,

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we should wear seatbelts turns into like the government's going to shit in your mouth.

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You know, like it is, it is just like, God, I love it whenever these people are just so

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normal.

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They're just so normal.

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It is.

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They're just reasonable ass folk.

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That's one of the things that is very nice about this past period is you do have the

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opportunity to see like civilian normal folk, uh, end up in the info war and, uh, it's surprising

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how decently a lot of them end up navigating what is insane.

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They're decent folk.

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This, this dude, this O'Boyle, the DA, like Alex is asking him to solve a problem that

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doesn't exist in his state.

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And then in order to talk about it at all, we now have to deal with various complaints

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about Texas, the fears of cameras in school bathrooms.

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Yep.

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It's just, it just expands past the point where there's anything you can really cling

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on to.

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Yeah.

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And it's, um, I think it's intentional.

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I think it's disempowering to the audience.

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Yeah.

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And I think what I find so interesting about it too is that it is this type of situation,

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you know, where you can look at people and then being like, ah, democracy doesn't work.

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Whenever in reality, it's like, look, these are two very, these, the two people Alex is

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talking to are 99% of this fucking world.

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They're just people doing their jobs.

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I think your estimates off, but generally spiritually, I agree with you.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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That kind of concept.

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And it's like, that is why things would work.

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That is why everything should work.

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Yeah.

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Alex is why democracy doesn't work.

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Yes.

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Alex is why shit doesn't work.

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Yeah.

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Alex is the reason that you are complaining about other people not working properly.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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It's that influence is, uh, is kind of what makes information not work.

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It makes decision making fucked.

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And because like stuff like conspiracy thinking is so attractive and hijacks people's minds

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and the way that they process information and world events because of that, it has such

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a cascading effect.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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And then the biggest thing though is like that once you get to the point where you go

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like, oh, people act different from me when it's like, no, you should think completely

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the opposite.

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People act exactly like me.

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Alex is fucking insane.

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You know, like everybody, you know, everybody around you, everybody you don't know, they're

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in our block right now.

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There's probably 40, 50,000 people.

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You know what I'm saying?

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59, 49,999 of those people are just like us in every possible respect, regardless of whatever.

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And then there's one Alex and that's where we're fucked.

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Meh.

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Meh.

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Everybody's got an Alex.

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Everybody's got a fucking Alex, man.

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I think that's somewhat oversimplifying things, but there's something to it.

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It's grossly oversimplifying things, but it's not wrong.

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That's the problem.

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We'll get along better if Alex's were ignored.

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If we just let them go play in a brand new playground.

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Oh, they want an old one.

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They definitely want an old playground.

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I want them to be safe even against their will.

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Oh, that's very kind of you.

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So this was silly, but we'll be back for another episode on Monday.

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Talk about Alex's probably fanfare about Kissinger's death.

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I mean, if there's anything that I've learned, it's that we are going to be disappointed

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by his death.

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There will be a surprise somehow, I'm sure.

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But also we'll get to find out what he thought about Elon Musk telling advertisers to go

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fuck themselves.

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That will be more interesting.

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That will be more interesting.

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Maybe that's the only thing I'll talk about and not even touch, kiss, or stay.

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I wouldn't be surprised.

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That's what I'm saying.

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This is who we are.

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This is who we chose.

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Anyway, we'll find out what's the deal with that.

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But until then, we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep, we're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm Alex Clark.

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I was going to start a new thing where I said that I missed various drops and then I would

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replay them.

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But then I forgot to load one up.

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So there's nothing here today, folks.

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You missed that drop.

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Yeah, I missed it.

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.