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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:58.000)

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge, right. I'm Ben. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

Indeed, we are Dan Jordan

Dan (00:01:08.000)

damn Jordanna question for you about today, buddy. My bright spot today is this weekend was the release of Breath of the Wild to Kingdom Yeah, using words. The new Zelda game on the old switch got me back on the switch after having been kind of a PS five guy. Oh, yeah. For a bit you know not, you know getting used to that controller. Jumping back to the duel sticks. Weird. Yeah. untethered from the eight is strange. Yeah. wireless remotes.

Jordan (00:01:43.000)

I always come to love it.

Dan (00:01:44.000)

This is the thing that is most important about the Zelda conversation. Yeah, I'm getting used to holding the joy con.

Jordan (00:01:52.000)

Yes, of the year.

Dan (00:01:55.000)

It's a lot of fun. I enjoy it. I think so I haven't played a ton of it. I haven't had a chance to do to various things. One of the things that I've noticed about it is that it is very you know, there's a lot of similarities to Breath of the Wild. Oh, yeah. And I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Because I think what people liked was that game. Yeah. And if you just gave us more of that, but more complicated, and like sort of evolved the game a bit. Yeah. Who's complaining about that?

Jordan (00:02:25.000)

I don't know. Some asshole. Yeah, I'm sure there's some puzzles like, oh, I wanted something worse, but different.

Dan (00:02:31.000)

Yeah, I think it's I think it's been great so far. I'm only like I said a couple hours in so I don't, I can't speak on this as an expert. But everything that I've encountered so far has been pretty fun. Even the things that I like I was telling you before we got started, I wandered into a cave, and just got wrecked by some enemies that I should not have gone anywhere near even. That was fun. Yeah, multiple times. I've said Ah. I gotta run away. Oh, no, fuck, it's a Lionel run. It's a lot of fun. It's definitely going to be a bright spot for a bit nice. Yeah, I was wrong to you were wrong. Well, I I had said that the lead up to this game release was something I wasn't excited about. Because it felt kind of like another Breath of the Wild. You did. And I had entered with that those feelings and I was wrong. It's it's far surpassed the expectations that I had. So far.

Jordan (00:03:29.000)

I think that's probably why the reviews were so ecstatic is everybody who came into it being like, a love Breath of the Wild. I'm sure this is gonna be more Breath of the Wild, but you know what? You don't you got to evolve. You know, that whole thing. And then they it happened and then everybody was like, holy shit.

Dan (00:03:45.000)

Yeah. And I showed you a little bit of it. And even you were like, Whoa,

Jordan (00:03:48.000)

I want to get in on Whoa. Yeah. If I hadn't if I hadn't just started Jedi survivor, like three or four days ago. I would be in on but that's the good news. It's the waiting for. It's ready. It's ready and waiting for whenever you decide to dip your little toes in. It'll be there. Yeah.

Dan (00:04:05.000)

What's your bright spot?

Jordan (00:04:06.000)

My bright spot is? Well, today on Sunday when we record this. It's Mother's Day. Oh, yeah. We got my mother. It's a busy day for your wife. Oh, two bombs. Two bombs. Yeah. Well, we got some flowers. Right? Right. Her mom is an engineer though. So we got the flowers. She was like, Oh, these are beautiful flowers. But you should see the box they came in. I have not seen anybody put together a box like this. Could you find out more about this box for me? And it's like, that's the brain that I love so much. You know that your brain Oh, this who put together this box. Listen, I've seen flowers. Yeah, I've seen flowers. My entire goddamn letter. I'm almost seven years I'll see flowers all day.

Dan (00:04:48.000)

You're gonna have to wake up pretty early in the morning to surprise me with a flow. I have not

Jordan (00:04:52.000)

seen a box like this before once. That's pretty good. One time. Yeah, that's great.

Dan (00:04:57.000)

What was so special about this box?

Jordan (00:04:59.000)

I don't know. I did. It was a conversation they had. And it was and

Dan (00:05:03.000)

it wasn't something that would have triggered that. And your brain

Jordan (00:05:07.000)

was like box. Throw it away. Yeah. Goodbye box.

Dan (00:05:10.000)

So that's cool. Yeah, it's great. Thanks. Good day, Happy

Jordan (00:05:12.000)

Mother's Day to all the mothers and so forth. You know, you we do that stuff, right?

Dan (00:05:17.000)

Yeah. So, um, today, Jordan, we have an episode to go, oh, yeah, there's a little bit of business to cover here at the top of the show, though. So first order of business. I guess we're recording this. I'm not entirely sure how the audio is gonna sound on this, because we tried to get some new equipment because we've had some sound issues. I'm sure some people have noticed them, there's been a little bit of crackling and then it didn't come through in the recording. But periodically, our headphones would sort of frazzle out. And so we tried to replace a number of things and then spent three hours three hours later to get where we are. And now we're here. And we have reverted back to most of the old equipment, except with the headphone amp replace. Yes. And so it seems to be working. But I don't know exactly. Like if we have the levels dialed in and everything so so hopefully, everything will sound good, and what have you, but I'm just saying this in advance, if there's some scariness that's why and we'll get it sorted out as we move forward. The

Jordan (00:06:22.000)

best part of this is, if this doesn't work, you'll never know.

Dan (00:06:27.000)

The alternative was just to say we're punting. There's no episode. Yeah, fucking Not gonna happen. So there's that. Yeah. Second little piece of business. I decided to stay in the past. And so we're going to be talking about February 17 2004. Cool. And there's a couple of reasons. All right. The first was our last 2004 episode was a cliffhanger. True, because Alex was going to watch Mel Gibson on Diane Sawyer show. And then he was going to reveal whether or not they cut out the cool things that Mel Gibson said Yeah, but no, if we had waited too long, this cliffhanger now it would have no power. So that's one reason obviously storytelling. This is more or less a rationalization. Don't worry about it. This week was there was the shooting in Texas. Yeah, at the mall. Yeah. And so I was watching Alex's content, intending to cover the course. But I found it to be disgusting. Yeah. He gratuitously played the videos of people dead on the ground. And All right, well, no blood everywhere. And you know, because they're there. I didn't see them on Twitter. But I heard from a number of people that like very graphic photos and videos and stuff were circulating on social media and these were the things that Alex was playing and it was horrific. Holy shit. And, you know, his his narrative around it really isn't anything new. Yeah. But the the potency of it the emotional manipulation that was going into it. Just I don't I don't even feel like it's something that can be covered. It just has to be like mentioned and condemned. Yeah, I can't cover him playing I don't know faces of death. No, I mean, no on his show, like that's disgusting.

Jordan (00:08:23.000)

I've nearly thrown up before based upon the disgusting shit that we have experienced. And that is further than wait god.

Dan (00:08:31.000)

Yeah. And he was basically saying that that was part of the cartels starting a war in America and such and he had his whole like, all kinds of secret intelligence that is just made up shit that he's coming up with it just wasn't worth it and I found just the going through it was not fun. And I didn't think it could be made into an episode. All that was anything other than kind of

Jordan (00:09:03.000)

looking at gross this is looking at gross. Looking at gross this is yes. Yeah.

Dan (00:09:08.000)

And I felt like in the opposite direction. Our last episode we talked to Erica Lafferty was a very emotional episode for a lot of people you know there was a lot of feelings the you know are brought up of many of them positive many of them you know reflective of the ability for someone to persevere and I didn't necessarily want to super heavy episodes on one two punch. So there's a lot of reasons why I was like fuck this noise. Yeah, but I will say I think the main one is his Gore I mean obsession you

Jordan (00:09:48.000)

know, you know, I can't handle that you're doing this for me. Here's your rationalization part. You're saving my life. There's your rationalization dead

Dan (00:09:57.000)

there's there's a lot of reasons but let's add that to the File put it on there. So we're gonna be in 2004 and we're gonna find out what happened with Diane Sawyer's interview, which I watched but first okay let's take a little moment say hello to somebody Whoa that's a great idea. So first dear Brad, I'm addicted to knowledge fight and it's all your fault best paralegal ever from Mara, thank you so much. You're now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:10:19.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:10:20.000)

Thank you very much should be Mara

Dan (00:10:21.000)

ma ra could be Mara

Jordan (00:10:23.000)

Mara. I feel like Mara is the more common Morrow

Dan (00:10:26.000)

Morrow. Rob Morrow. Rob Morrow, the guy from no Torah. Okay. Next, the prophecy is being realized. Be afraid. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy wonk prophesy that I would bring up Northern Exposure. I love that show. Five years. pulled up. But loved that show. You did. So good. I wanted to live out there. Up north. They made it look so nice. Yeah. Simple, small town. Next six armed sweater. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Dan (00:10:58.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Dan (00:10:59.000)

Thank you Next, doing my part to dismantle conservative America by mainlining podcasts and leaving comments on YouTube videos. Thank you so much. You're now ballsy walk.

Alex Jones (00:11:07.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:11:08.000)

you very much. And

Dan (00:11:09.000)

cannibalistic humanoid, underground democratic socialists. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:11:15.000)

I'm a policy wonk,

Dan (00:11:16.000)

thank you very much. And

Dan (00:11:16.000)

we got a technocrat in the mix. So thank you so much to Matt, but not Matt Baker, or is it? Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

Alex Jones (00:11:25.000)

I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow. Actually. I'm just gonna take a little break now. A little breaky for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over, but I'm the devil. Fuck you. Suck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, Fuck you and your new world order. And fuck the horse she wrote in on and all your shit. Maybe today's grandma's broadcast? Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow. And you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on here. I'll be better tomorrow.

Dan (00:12:22.000)

But was Diane Sawyer?

Jordan (00:12:23.000)

That's a good question. Yeah, I don't remember Diane so I'm just now realizing just now realizing that I don't really know much about Diane sorry at all.

Dan (00:12:31.000)

She had a show. Yep. Did a lot of news programs. All right. At this point. ABC primetime Sure. Did like the did some hour long interviews. Like like this one, like this one with Mel Gibson. All right. But it's, it's a piece where Mel Gibson is being interviewed and then a lot of other people are chiming in God. You know, why is there a controversy surrounding this? Right? The Passion of the Christ, so

Jordan (00:12:58.000)

it's almost like a mini documentary with like a HUD fit. Yeah. Okay. A little bit. All right. Okay.

Dan (00:13:03.000)

So we don't need to wait very long. For Alex to get into his thoughts. Okay, about Diane Sawyer is interference here.

Alex Jones (00:13:11.000)

But the first thing I'm going to cover when we get back is primetime with Diane Sawyer last night. We get back I'll go over it. I got very angry. Something I've been doing more and more these days. When I got home at about midnight film. My wife had recorded it for me. And so I sat down and watched the interview with Mel Gibson. And I've got some comments on this when I get back. I've got some very serious comments about Mr. Foxman and others who are a pack of liars. And I am sick of them. So that's coming up as well. Damn. Okay,

Dan (00:13:49.000)

so I watched this hour long interview that Sawyer did with Mel Gibson, and it's about what you'd expect. She's asking him questions about the movie and then he has some. She has some religious experts on to discuss some of the reasons that people are concerned about the film, the head of the ADL is interviewed and he explicitly says that he doesn't think Gibson is anti semitic, nor is the film necessarily anti semitic, but it has the potential to inflame anti semitic feelings, particularly surrounding the idea that Jewish people, including those alive today bear responsibility for killing Jesus. Gibson does also directly say that he believes there's a conspiracy all around us without specifically naming the New World Order. He gets really pissed off when Diane Sawyer brings up how his dad's a Holocaust denier though, and his answers are not super helpful when she asks for clarification about metals feelings, but whether or not his movie is divinely inspired. Yeah, very weird. Yeah,

Jordan (00:14:41.000)

you should probably have those answers ready to go.

Dan (00:14:44.000)

She asks if he believes the Holocaust happened, uh

Jordan (00:14:47.000)

huh. And didn't need to be asked but it really was he?

Dan (00:14:51.000)

He says yes, in a roundabout way. Not convincing lads convinced I do.

Jordan (00:14:57.000)

I do appreciate the head of the ADL into the wasn't for Western twice. I don't think Mel is anti semitic with

Dan (00:15:04.000)

Well, here's, here's the thing, you got to consider the time. Sure. This is before a lot of the other stuff that Mel Gibson, right,

Jordan (00:15:12.000)

right, right. No, no, this is back in the time where you gave people the benefit of the doubt.

Dan (00:15:17.000)

Right? And I'm embarrassed because his dad is such does not mean he is true. It's cause for concern at little bit. I mean, but, you know, there's Abraham Foxman, the head of the ADL at this point is being very generous, being quite, quite fair with his press very, very generous. So overall, this wasn't great. But it also wasn't too bad. It helps provide some explanation for the reasons that some groups were offended by various aspects of the movie, while at the same time, it doesn't hold Mel's feet to the fire about how his dad's a giant anti Semite who hates the Catholic church because they reject the idea that Jews are guilty of deicide. And how his new movie really gives the impression that Jews are guilty of deicide. So you're really let that line of inquiry dropped pretty easily. And I think that could have been pressed on a little bit more. Because, you know, just because your dad has a noxious belief doesn't mean that you do as well, right? However, when your dad's horrible, really, noxious belief is tied to some religious belief, and you share that religious belief. It leads to the question of do you also share that noxious belief that is connected to your dad's religious belief which you do share? Right? That's, that's, I would have liked a little bit more assessment of that. But he gets so mad. Oh, and she's asking about his dad. Diane. Got it. Got to drop it.

Jordan (00:16:44.000)

Wow. Wow. See, that's That's crazy to me. I mean, but that's that's TV journalism. You know, like, that's been saying, yeah,

Dan (00:16:52.000)

here's what you see. Even watching. It made me uncomfortable. Yeah,

Jordan (00:16:55.000)

no, I mean, you look at that. And you see somebody who's who's right on the cusp of a you can't handle the truth monologue where he reveals that he hates all the Jews. You give him that rope? You let him go. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Are you telling me to drop this? Why do you want me to drop this, sir? Please continue on until eventually he's like, yes. would use guild rights

Dan (00:17:15.000)

for frost Nixon would not have been frost Nixon, if there hadn't been push. Yeah. Pushing on. You gotta push on it. I think I think she let it go a little bit too easily. But I guess I mean, like, I got the sense from watching it that like he probably would have left.

Jordan (00:17:30.000)

Wow. I mean, that says all you need to know, I guess. Hey, yo,

Dan (00:17:35.000)

because here's the problem. Like it's centered around like you're trying to make me disown my dad, you know? Sure. Sure. Sure. There's a lot of ways that Mel could leave and play it with like a that's that's not evidence that I have anticipated. That's fair. It would play to whoever he plays to, and it wouldn't to whoever doesn't want to accept it. That's true. So anyway, Alex, watch this interview. Okay, did he? I'm unclear.

Alex Jones (00:18:01.000)

Last night, I went worked on a film that I'm putting together and at about midnight, I got home. And my wife had taped primetime with Diane Sawyer for me because Mel Gibson was on the show. And I wanted to see what they tried to say about the passion and what his response was. And my wife had just let the the tape run. So I had two hours of shows on there. And so I just hit rewind and sat down and started. Did we need that detail waiting for it to conclude, it's rewinding. And I got impatient and hit play. And it stopped on Abraham Foxman of the anti Defamation League, which is really the Defamation League of freedom. And it stopped on Intel and s and saying how scary the film was, and how scary it was that these Christians were crying and everybody was so silent after he snuck into a screening of it and Mrs. CEFR, Diane Sawyer said to him, she said, Well, is Mel Gibson, anti semitic? Is his film anti semitic. And he said, No, it's not, but it's still dangerous. The point that

Dan (00:19:17.000)

Foxman was making was that the film is super emotionally powerful. It's just one long torture scene basically. And it's very hard to sit through something like that and not have it make some kind of impact. When there's a discussion of the movie being scary. It's because of the history of passion plays and how they've been used in the past to target Jewish populations. One of the experts they talked to also made the point that there are aspects of how things are presented in the movie that will be experienced very differently by a viewer who has experience of being called things like Christ killer. Yeah. Do you got to understand where people are coming from right. Oh, little.

Jordan (00:19:54.000)

All right. There's context. Yeah, all in all,

Dan (00:19:57.000)

I think it's a fairly fair piece. If anything It's way too easy on Mel and to unwilling to make more direct statements, particularly about his dad, I can't help but feel like the tone would have been a bit different at this been like after 2006, which is when whale got caught drunk driving, and yelled at the COP about how Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. And asked if she was a Jew.

Jordan (00:20:21.000)

In the in the now we live in Yeah, it seems very easy to go back into the 2004 and be like, do you see how he's doing the stuff? And then go back to 2006 and be like, I told you so. And then go back to now and be like, Why didn't we do anything about that he's going to direct to the next movie that wins an Oscar or whatever it is. We're doing great. Daddy's home. Exactly. Like what are we doing? someone do something.

Dan (00:20:47.000)

It's It is weird, because I can understand why people are a little bit reticent to make, like full like accusations or whatever. Sure, sure. But we live past 2006. So we can see like,

Jordan (00:21:02.000)

yep, maybe you should have you shut it down. It should have gone with maybe we know in advance. Yeah.

Dan (00:21:07.000)

Yep. So Alex talked to Mel Gibson's dad. Sure. And he had some inside info about what happened in the piece. And, man, they fucked up. Oh,

Alex Jones (00:21:19.000)

and I talked to Hutton a few days ago before this aired Mel Gibson's father, who's, again, just an expert on the New World Order. We really respect his opinion on this. He said, Well, I don't want you to talk about this on air until after it airs. But after it does, you know you're welcome to. They interviewed Mel for three and a half hours. And then ended up I guess, about 1215 minutes. I didn't, I didn't time it out, where Mel is actually talking on the screen. And he did a great job. I mean, most people, they talk for three and a half hours, the news media is gonna find something damning to use against him. But they were unable to do that in this interview. Where they told me that Mel told him that he he said, You know, when this comes out, I think I'm just gonna go hide somewhere. Because of all the heat that's been on me. And I think I'm gonna hide somewhere where nobody can find me. I think I'm gonna pitch a tent next to the weapons of mass destruction wherever they are. And, you know, I predicted on the show yesterday without television, without stealing Mel Gibson's lines. That would never be in the piece.

Dan (00:22:28.000)

Man, they fucked up. They cut this out. And then Hutton had given Alex the inside info so he can bring it out and be like, you're too afraid? Yep, you're too. Unfortunately, that joke was in the piece. Oh,

Mel Gibson (00:22:39.000)

no. But what about Mel Gibson superstar, the box office Lethal Weapon? You want to see Craig can go back to making those films after this? You know, I just I went I'm kind of, I don't know. I don't know. I don't feel like I want to. I don't feel like I want to get in front of a camera anymore. I like getting cut to just being a slob behind the camera and watching other people look good. You know, I might not hurry back. I might go and go somewhere. No one can find me. You know where that is? You know, where's the place that no one can find you. I was thinking of pitching my tent right next to the weapons of mass destruction. And no one would find me. In the meantime, people from weighing in surprising ways.

Dan (00:23:34.000)

Yeah. So man, they cut that out.

Jordan (00:23:37.000)

I wish they would if I was if I was male. I'd have been like, Could you please cut that out? I have

Dan (00:23:42.000)

two thoughts about this. And the first is Alex clearly hasn't seen this. Right. He didn't watch the whole thing. No, he said he didn't watch the whole thing. He may be watched a couple minutes

Jordan (00:23:51.000)

of it. He said he paused because he got

Dan (00:23:55.000)

bored. He got tired of rewinding, or the implication that he went back and watched the whole thing. Sure, because he's covering it. And he had strong opinions about it. Yeah, you know, putting implies that and he's making a direct claim that something got cut out of it. That was in the piece.

Jordan (00:24:13.000)

Right. Right.

Dan (00:24:14.000)

So you know, whatever evidence is if he that he watched it? I would we're gonna find out later though. It definitely did. But he's still at the beginning of the show, pretending that he has Yeah. The other thing I'm thinking about, though, is that like, at this time, there was a really strong feeling that that would be a good bet to make that they would cut that out. Yeah. Because there was such a weird feeling about like, dissenting against the war. Sure, sure. You know,

Jordan (00:24:42.000)

it's Wow, we all we all saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks. And we were all like, oh, they silenced us.

Dan (00:24:48.000)

It's understandable to have a feeling that like Diane Sawyer would never allow that in. Yeah. And so I understand where Alex is coming from in his prediction. I think that he should have been To confirmed whether or not his prediction was correct before he celebrated Yeah.

Jordan (00:25:04.000)

But I feel like I feel like at that time period, it goes the opposite direction. You know, like, I feel like they were more willing to cut things out that made people look ugly back then than they are now. Because now, I mean, now think about all the times that we're there like, oh, footage and are unearthed from blah, blah, blah, with this person saying the N word 300 times to their mom or whatever it is, you know, like that's, that's probably on every editors tape for the past 30 years from some asshole and they just delete it. And they're like, Oh, well, we can't use it, because then we won't have access to this guy anymore.

Dan (00:25:39.000)

Probably. Yeah, probably. Not. That that is almost certainly true. But also the wealth maybe not everybody but a lot of like the the aspect of critiquing the war in this way and saying like, they're, you know, there's no mass weapons of mass destruction. The you know, the labor find me there. Yeah, or whatever. Yeah, that is like cutting that out. Might make him look better. In as much as you know, you couldn't see some kind of a blowback. Yeah. From that some sort of career consequence. Yeah. Leaving it in? is, I mean, not like, it's not like a brave move, necessarily, but it is at least mildly risky. risky. Yeah, I would say so. And so I get this, but I just don't get Alex going on air and talking about this shit without having watched the thing.

Jordan (00:26:31.000)

It's weird. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's just, that's not even laziness. That's insanity. You know, that's not I wish it laziness is like skimming through it at like three times speed, you know, like, I'll listen to Okay. Yeah, this is just insane. Yeah.

Dan (00:26:51.000)

So, Alex, the part that he's clearly seen is this part that has Foxman the the ADL Yeah, in it. And so he's decided that the narrative is that Foxman is backing off. Like he's he's made all kinds of like rampant accusations and screamed about how Mel Gibson's an anti Semite. Sure, and now he's backing off because he realized that his plot didn't work.

Jordan (00:27:18.000)

Oh, man. So if I understand correctly, this documentary about how the film might be anti semitic is responded to by Alex in a way such as singling out the only Semitic person there and being strongly anti.

Dan (00:27:35.000)

I mean, yeah, I'm the only reason I'm pausing slightly is I don't I think there might have been another like Jewish scholar who was interviewed. But yeah.

Alex Jones (00:27:45.000)

Now why is the ADL backing off now? And why is the Simon Wiesenthal Center backing off demonizing the passion? Because their lives didn't work, it blew up in their face. Mel Gibson traveled this country from end to end. Sure, shrinking the film to hundreds of large crowds. And when people went and saw it, Paul Harvey and others went to see it. They said, I don't get it. I don't understand how this is anti semitic. In fact, the Adla already injected that into the debate where if somebody watches it, that's all they're gonna be thinking about now. In fact, the ADL is actually creating a overall dislike of Jews, with everybody is, is is hurting Jews, I'd have to say it's the ADL

Dan (00:28:36.000)

Calm down, Alec. Wow, this is gonna save that for your private conversations with Nicolas,

Jordan (00:28:44.000)

like that twisting, like twisting things around until you get to the point where I see the only person who's really hurt and slaves, all these slaves,

Dan (00:28:51.000)

especially the people who are enslaved who are complaining about

Jordan (00:28:55.000)

oh my god, they're the ones who make me do terrible things to them. It's awful. Why are they making me do such bad things?

Dan (00:29:03.000)

Right. I mean, like, it's the same kind of lines that some of the JBS John Birch Society folks had during the Civil Rights time. It's like, these people who are pointing out inequality are making white people racist.

Jordan (00:29:17.000)

They're the ones who are making us be more any we would where our dream is to be as equal as possible. Totally. Number one thing we love to do, but when you point us out that we're not it just makes us want to add more. That's not crazy.

Dan (00:29:32.000)

That's whiteness, it's very common as a trend is his does seem to be that way. So Alex, like I said, did he didn't watch this whole thing? For sure.

Alex Jones (00:29:44.000)

I made a good point in the piece. One of the pastors they were interviewing that when Christians see across in major surveys they feel love and compassion and Christ's sacrifice. And that when they quote interview Jews and they see a cross, they feel threatened and that it's you know, This bad symbol and that's ridiculous. Also, Mrs. Council on Foreign Relations, Diane Sawyer Mrs. anti gun. She's been caught, you know, putting out all these stilted and manipulated the news pieces. She said, Well what about Hitler? You know, he he said passion plays were very useful, you know show that Jews are bad and Mel Gibson came back with the best answer. He's so smart. He said Hitler was an occultist. Hitler was a devil worshiper. You know, that's what I say to people who call them to this show. And like Hitler, Hitler was horrible worshipper. That's your problem is part of a fool society. Hitler was part of the showing bones organizations that were founded in Germany. That's the facts. And 99% of people you talk to don't know that about Hitler. In fact, the ADL and other brands, what we don't know about an example of Christianity targeting Jews, and I resent that I resent them saying a devil worshiper represents Christians. Adolf Hitler was an occultist.

Dan (00:31:07.000)

So whatever you want to say about Hitler's specific religious inclinations, that's an argument for another day. Neither Diane Sawyer nor anyone in this beast said that Hitler was an example of a Christian. They just said that Hitler believed that passion plays were a useful tool in creating hatred against Jewish people. Right. That's all. That's it. Alex is responding to a point that no one made because his ability to respond to this piece that all relies on that. Also, it's painfully obvious that Alex didn't watch the whole thing. He thinks they cut out Mel's WMDs Zinger. And all the specific things he's mentioning are all from around the same five minutes in the middle that he stopped at when he got impatient. With this VHS we want to say that's exactly right. That sounds exactly right. The reason that some Jewish people expressed a negative feeling towards seeing across is because of that history of being accused of deicide. And the atrocities that have been carried out against Jewish people using that accusation as justification. Like it's not something that is universal, but it's something that some Jewish people who were talked to, and you know, involved in responding to surveys,

Jordan (00:32:13.000)

I got some I got some crazy news for you. But throughout history, a lot of people were not stoked to see the cross on other people walking towards them. Yeah, not stoked about it. That's true. They were like, That's not good. Those people are murderers, right? Those people wearing that cross the girder people

Dan (00:32:30.000)

say it's had some negative signifying with cross,

Jordan (00:32:34.000)

oh boy, talk about your your evangelists, your missionaries, and the like, whoa, not a lot of people like those guys walking around, understand some context

Dan (00:32:43.000)

to negative associations around this symbol, right? Without a hatred of the religion itself. Right? It is possible for those to be discrete things, right. So it's interesting to me, to me to see how little Alex cares about preparing for his job, even at this point in his career. I always like to imagine that he was a real hard worker in these earlier days when he got lazy later, right. He can't even be bothered to watch an hour long ABC interview before he spends a sizable chunk of his show complaining about it and using it to argue that the ADL is responsible for making anti semitism worse.

Jordan (00:33:18.000)

You know, I think our here's the thing, our investigation, okay, you know, we've done we've done 2015 investigations, we've done all that we've done investigations, right? This one doesn't seem like there's a an investigation element to it. We're learning. What we're learning, though, is that, I think naturally, a lot of people, me included thought, we're gonna, we're watching the decline. You know, we're seeing him go from where he is now, you know, and then we're gonna go back up to where he started from. He was just at the same spot the whole time. Well,

Dan (00:33:48.000)

here's what I think here's the thought that I'm coming around to, I think that you're right. But there's an aesthetic decline. Yes. That I think is a he has some traits that change. They definitely appear much more different. Sure. She is, oh, well, I

Jordan (00:34:06.000)

mean, that's just like an age though. You know, on speed. I'm slower than I was when I was a young 25 year old or whatever.

Dan (00:34:15.000)

I'm saying he was faster later, because he was doing Oh, well, he

Jordan (00:34:17.000)

did do a lot of drugs. That's definitely true. Yeah, that's true. There's the

Dan (00:34:21.000)

sloppiness of clear progression of alcohol is yeah, that's definitely you know, like, there's those things, but some of that is kind of aesthetic. Yeah. Now, here's the other thing. I think there is a big decline from like, 2008 2009 times, which is another period that we've watched to President, but I think it's a parabola. Okay. I think he's like, kind of so we're in the upward ride, right? I think he's similar in this 2003 2004 To like, more present time. Sure. But there was an attempt to right make yourself look a little bit it less of a horrible toxic figure in those times because that was around when he was getting a bit more media attention. There was more of a mainstreaming that came along with the the Tea Party and stuff. I don't know this to be true for sure. But the episodes in 2009 in that time period that I've listened to, that's where the impression I think of the decline comes from right. I think he might have shaved and was putting on a little bit more of a professional thing that

Jordan (00:35:30.000)

could be around that point. Yeah. So now he's in the minors. All right, gets called up to Tea Party era, right has his cup of coffee. And then after he gets that contract, just lets it go gains a lot of weights or too many drugs

Dan (00:35:45.000)

is spent his money that he got during that time to buy the tea.

Jordan (00:35:49.000)

I mean, it did it was his boss. Yeah, exactly. He's a player manager, right. He's like, scratch, pencil me in for every single game.

Dan (00:35:58.000)

That's kind of how it feels. That's fair. So Alex has not watched this interview, but he has some important things to say about it about how they cut out everything. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:36:07.000)

So if you want to talk about the primetime piece, you're welcome to. But notice that that a lot of what Mel Gibson had to say that was really important, didn't make it into the cut. We'll be right back, folks. Stay with us.

Dan (00:36:24.000)

He didn't watch it. He didn't watch it. He's making these declarative statements about like things that they cut out, they cut out all the important stuff. He doesn't know that. And here's the thing. It's not important whether or not anything Mel Gibson said was cut out or not. The reality is in material. There's a party line for Alex and his ilk, and it resonates with the emotional reality that the audience has, it feels true that they cut out all the important stuff of the interview. And so that's what Alex is reporting to them. It really is the definition of telling the audience what they want to hear and Alex knows what the audience audience wants well enough that he doesn't even have to watch the show to tell you that the shoot was cut out. That's the narrative he was going to run with before his wife hit record on the VCR. Yeah, that was always going to be the thing and if they didn't cut stuff out, then his insight information from Hutton Gibson is meaningless. Yeah, it was in thing they have to cut stuff out. Right? There's no There's no payoff to that otherwise, right? And not

Jordan (00:37:18.000)

just to me and cutting stuff out is the is the perfect thing. They didn't cut that out the thing that you said they didn't kind of, oh, well, I forgot that part. But there's stuff you didn't see that they cut out is an unprovable. You know, like, oh, okay, well, then let's go get the full three and a half hour tape, Alex. Well,

Dan (00:37:37.000)

here's where things get fun with that. Okay? Because Alex goes to break.

Jordan (00:37:41.000)

And immediately. Here we go. All right.

Alex Jones (00:37:45.000)

I don't know what I'd do without my wife. She called me during the break and said, Honey, I didn't take the entire primetime piece. A few minutes of it. PCR was

Alex Jones (00:38:01.000)

national NASA structure, which I couldn't imagine how they wouldn't so I guess I was wrong when I predicted they wouldn't. Um, you know, out of three and a half hours of an interview 15 minutes over there. So I mean, what an amazing quote that Mel Gibson was going to hide out in a tent next to the weapons of mass destruction. What an amazing after this movie comes out, and that quote was in there. So now of course, I don't have it on tape. I mostly hopefully, you'll, you'll send it to me.

Dan (00:38:29.000)

Yeah, someone's someone's gonna need to send that in. Oh, my God. So apparently, his wife didn't record the whole thing. And Alex didn't realize that somehow, which is weird. I don't get it. Like, this is more suspicious now. Like, wouldn't you have told him that sometime before right now and he's on air? How did he get impatient waiting for the tape to rewind if there was only like five minutes of the show recorded? None of this makes sense. I'd love to get to the bottom of this, but I suspect there's no hope. My guess is that someone at the office, maybe even his wife pointed out that he was completely wrong about the WMD joke. And now he has to try and cover his ass before callers confront him about it, which is what would happen. So he just comes up with this baffling story about his wife's recording.

Jordan (00:39:11.000)

Nana's. This makes no sense. No, I don't believe this. What human beings behave like this. And all we're doing is watching. I need to understand need to understand that. We are talking about all the all we're talking about is watching a pre recorded segment. Yeah,

Dan (00:39:27.000)

that's it. It's he's trying to watch an hour long. All you got to do primetime Diane Sawyer video. And it's a mystery.

Jordan (00:39:37.000)

And it is it's turned into a comedy of errors. I'm baffled. All you have to do is watch the tape.

Dan (00:39:43.000)

Right? That would have been the easiest thing to do. If my cut he didn't do that. No, he didn't do that. But he thinks he did it.

Jordan (00:39:48.000)

I don't know if that's okay. How

Dan (00:39:52.000)

could he possibly have thought that he watched the whole thing? You know, those primetime ABC things. They're like those overly produced so when they're going To break, they're like when we come back. Yeah. If it cut off in the middle of like a commercial, or like before they went to break, you would know. Yep. If it cut off in the middle of a segment, you'd be like, anyway, that was weird to cut off. This makes no sense. None,

Jordan (00:40:14.000)

none? None. None. No, there's no, there's no explanation that isn't just, I didn't watch it.

Dan (00:40:21.000)

The idea that his wife called and said, That makes no sense, either.

Dan (00:40:24.000)

Why is she listening

Dan (00:40:26.000)

to it? Does she listen to him and works for him and understand why she's like his webmaster and all that stuff? Right.

Jordan (00:40:32.000)

Right. But I mean, like,

Dan (00:40:36.000)

she probably listened some I don't know. That's Billy cowboy. So anyway, take some calls. Okay. And one of the callers wants to complain about the interview, and it's so dumb, Alex hasn't seen it. Why are we doing?

Alex Jones (00:40:51.000)

Let's talk to Gary in Ohio. Gary, go ahead.

Caller 1 (807) (00:40:54.000)

Hi, Alex. How you doing? Good. Hey, a couple of quick thoughts on the interview last night. I watched the pace. I was actually very pleased with the results. I was surprised i i noticed that Diane Sawyer, I swear he kept baiting him with these kinds of questions. I get thinking about Hitler and all that. And it's like, Well, it's because you're coming up with some brilliant answers. Like we went through the weapons of mass destruction, but it just about I got kind of like, I wanted to hear what he had to say. But I really didn't want to hear what she had to say, you know, the questions are just I don't know.

Jordan (00:41:30.000)

Like, that's not

Caller 1 (807) (00:41:33.000)

really off the

Alex Jones (00:41:33.000)

wall. Well, they were and it was an attempt to try to trap him and I think that she failed miserably. How do you know that you didn't watch it?

Jordan (00:41:44.000)

I think she failed miserably. Right?

Dan (00:41:46.000)

Well, he was so disingenuous, trying to trap him. What he wants three minutes.

Jordan (00:41:53.000)

Traps. That's why I turned it off. I was like, Jesus, there's too many traps.

Dan (00:41:57.000)

He watched three minutes got mad at the head of the ADL and turned it off and grabbed a bottle of whiskey or something. Yeah, I

Jordan (00:42:03.000)

mean, that is that does seem like the mystery solved. That seems more likely.

Dan (00:42:11.000)

You're so wrong. This mystery goes so much deeper.

Jordan (00:42:14.000)

I think we just had all the endings of Clue wrapped up in one right there.

Dan (00:42:17.000)

No, no, because there's gonna be a twist later that you don't see come okay. But yeah, man, everybody loves it. Everybody loved that interview share. And Alex,

Jordan (00:42:25.000)

for whenever the women talk. That was a that was a problem. Sure guy.

Dan (00:42:29.000)

And I don't like the person asking question. Yeah, in this interview. Yeah. All right. Weird. So but they love the weapons of mass destruction. Like, it's so funny. Huge.

Alex Jones (00:42:40.000)

I've talked to Ron here in Pennsylvania. Roger, go

Caller 2 (807) (00:42:42.000)

ahead. Thanks, Alex. That was such a superbly funny line. Well, just to make sure I've never found to che mill.

Alex Jones (00:42:51.000)

I wish I had that on tape. Because obviously, Washington didn't see that. Because I predicted I didn't make a prediction. I said, he probably won't put that in there. But they did. Why do you think they did that?

Caller 2 (807) (00:43:05.000)

Oh, well, who knows? But yeah, who knows?

Jordan (00:43:12.000)

That is the best answer I've

Dan (00:43:13.000)

heard. Oh, maybe because our worldview is stupid and wrong. No, we're crazy. Let's move on. Who knows? What do you believe Alex called it a prediction earlier in the show in the earlier the show? But yeah, I'm gonna walk that back since super row.

Jordan (00:43:26.000)

So wrong. I wouldn't call it a prediction. I would call it a bet. I made a bad bet.

Dan (00:43:31.000)

So like I mentioned, Alex wants to make this all about Foxman ahead of the ADL. Yeah. And so here's him doing that.

Caller 2 (807) (00:43:39.000)

I noticed she didn't add to that panel. Any orthodox scholars from any faith? Yeah, that would be anathema to her purpose. What

Alex Jones (00:43:49.000)

did you think of Foxman? I mean, he's normally pretty aggressive. He looked like a deer in the headlights.

Caller 2 (807) (00:43:54.000)

But I'm glad you brought that up. Because I think basically the reason he backed off is now finally that the movie has come out he better shut up because he's gonna lose even his Nope. Toast liberal Jewish supporters? Because I'll see he's full of it if he doesn't conveniently forget what he said. Well,

Alex Jones (00:44:15.000)

I mean, that's it. It's easy for the FBI or the Southern Poverty Law Center or the ADL to demonize some little known person and to persecute them and lie about them. But they went up against Mel Gibson, Mel Gibson went coast to coast showed the film and in in Jews, Gentiles, you name it shot and said, What is the big deal? Why are they saying this? So Foxman has really blown his foot off.

Dan (00:44:41.000)

I mean, he went coast to coast showing the film as a promotional thing, because he didn't have a distribution deal. Yeah. And they were like, specifically targeting like evangelical churches and like religious groups, to it's a marketing plan. Yeah, that was the idea. Yeah. So great. Yeah. Anyway, Alex's entire angle on the stories that Abraham Foxman, the head of the ADL is doing an about face and this interview because Alex watched a couple of minutes where Foxman said that he doesn't think that Mel Gibson's anti semitic which is a turnaround. Alex believes that he's seen Foxman call Gibson and his movie anti semitic in the past so this is a softening of his position. In reality, Foxman hadn't said those things but Alex constructed narratives were criticism of Gibson, and the plans for this movie were reported as attacks on Gibson and accusations that he's anti semitic. Right? Alex has built a storyline out of his fantasies that does not really connect to reality. Foxman and plenty of other religious experts were very concerned about how the plan that Gibson had for this movie would turn out Gibson's dad was no secret. Nor was the fact that Mel himself was a member of the breakaway branch of Catholicism that denies the Vatican's legitimacy since the second Council. There is a way that this story could be brought to the screen in a responsible way. And there's a way that seemed more like what someone like Mel Gibson might do. And many right thinking people were worried about that and voiced that concern to Alex, that was them calling Gibson anti semitic, which, ironically, is accurate, but isn't what they were saying, right, Foxman as well as a lot of other folks from many different religious groups were able to read the script in advance. And they were super concerned that it seemed like the movie was setting out to make the Jewish people, the primary antagonists in the film, with the Romans just kind of being there and having their hands tied by Jewish influence. Hey,

Jordan (00:46:27.000)

were white, what are we going to do hurt people

Dan (00:46:30.000)

also, people were really not thrilled with the scene in the early version of the film where the high priest Caiaphas says, quote, his blood beyond us and our children, which is a line from Matthew that's been used historically, to hurl accusations of deicide on all people of Jewish ancestry to the present day, boy, you can just change that. That line was cut from the film and an associate of Gibson told The New York Times, quote, it didn't work in the focus screenings, maybe it was thought to be too hurtful or taken, not in the way that it was intended. It has been used terribly over the years. It's kind of fun that Mel Gibson was so obsessed with the pointing out that you know, is making the most accurate portrayal of the passion. And yet he was swayed by focus screenings. A little ridiculous. Yeah,

Jordan (00:47:16.000)

you know, it is. That is an interesting point. If you can take it out of the movie, you should be able to take it out of the book. I think there should be a novelization of the Bible based upon the movies made of the Bible.

Dan (00:47:30.000)

Well, here's the thing. If that were the standard, then you could set out to make a Bible movie. Yeah. And just make it wacky. Oh, hell, yeah, I could. And then now you're gonna demand that the Bible be changed. I

Jordan (00:47:41.000)

don't see any change from any other better use religious behavior. Look,

Dan (00:47:45.000)

I don't want to get in the weeds. My point is that Mel Gibson was like, one of the biggest things that he was saying is like, Hey, you don't have a problem with me. You have a problem with the Bible. And I like that kind of stuff. Like I'm being just so accurate to the Bible. Yeah. And, you know, there's clearly they were doing focus screenings, so go fuck yourself. But then second, like, what is accuracy? Is context necessary? If you are really just using the Gospels and not external context and historical information, then you're not really being accurate.

Jordan (00:48:25.000)

Right? Right. I mean, but in his point of view, in his mind, he is telling you the accurate story, because the Bible is the revealed word of God, which means it's true. And the other context around it. Yeah. Is people lying. Because they're the devil.

Dan (00:48:41.000)

Yeah. But he's also like, using other stuff that he's pretending not to you.

Jordan (00:48:46.000)

Well, sure. I mean, you can't use that. Obviously. I know. I used it, but you can't use that.

Dan (00:48:51.000)

Right. Like there's the like revelations of this non named and Catherine Emmerich. Well, sure,

Jordan (00:48:57.000)

but that wasn't in the Bible, because they forgot to add it. That's not

Dan (00:49:01.000)

why. Like he but he was like, very swayed by her view, her visions of the passion. So like, there's the one of the articles that I was reading points out that there's at least one example of something in the movie that is directly from those visions, as opposed to being biblical. Oh, and so like, there's also kind of anti semitic leanings on shamrocks part Sure, sure, sure. Anyway, one thing that Foxman did say was quote, not in the interview with Sawyer this is something that he had said previously right. He said quote, recent statements by Mel Gibson paint the portrait of an anti Semite. This is sort of calling him an anti Semite, but it's kind of artful in a way that it's not really calling him one it's just these actions are those that an anti Semite would me

Jordan (00:49:53.000)

I mean, that's that's a skip away from if it looks like a duck. You know, like it's the same fucking

Dan (00:49:59.000)

thing this wasn't about the movie though. This was about some comments that Mel had made towards the end of 2003. Peter Boyle of the New York, the New Yorker, went to a rough cut screening of the passion and then spent some time with Mel. And some of the stuff he was saying wasn't great. For instance, Gibson was talking about the that cutscene of kFS and said, quote, I wanted it in my brother said, I was wimping out. If I didn't include it, it happened. It was said, but man, if I included it in there, they'd be coming after me at my house, they'd kill me. Boyle makes it very clear in the article that they Gibson was referring to are the people at the ABL and Simon Wiesenthal Center who had criticized him previously. Yeah, that's right. At another point Gibson got mad that someone on CNN mentioned his father and said, quote, I don't want to be dissing my father. He never denied the Holocaust. He just said there were fewer than 6 million. I don't want to have them dissing my father. I mean, he's my father. I don't know about you. But if my father made a practice of going around in the media and downplaying the Holocaust, I don't think I mind people disagreeing

Jordan (00:50:59.000)

Oh, I diss the shit out of my Holocaust denying father. Do you know what he does? He denies the Holocaust. Yeah, I do not get to not diss him. Unless I think he's got a point.

Dan (00:51:13.000)

I think that so many people are like, you know, the blood tie, though. You know, you can't you can't condemn your father. Even if you think that his ideas are horrible.

Jordan (00:51:22.000)

Noise. You can't deny the Holocaust. You can't deny the Holocaust. My brother,

Dan (00:51:26.000)

I'm with you. I

Jordan (00:51:27.000)

see. It's just not complex.

Dan (00:51:29.000)

I agree with you. But I think that there are some people who like would be like, Oh, it's so complicated. Sure, sure. No, I understand. I think that's how you get a little bit of the free pass that Gibson get right.

Jordan (00:51:40.000)

i At this point, I get into trouble a lot. You know, people are like, Oh, Jordan, you don't focus on the shades of grey. Now. Sometimes. I think that's the opposite. All right. If deal sometimes, sometimes things are very black and white. And we overcomplicate them. Like for instance, you can't deny the Holocaust. Black and white. No complications. None.

Dan (00:51:59.000)

Yeah. Even if you're my dad, even if you're my fucking dad, man. So up till this point. Before he'd said that this paints the portrait. Foxman had been pretty clear that he didn't think Gibson or the film was anti semitic, but that it was quote insensitive. After that New Yorker piece. Foxman said that his comments painted the portrait of an anti Semite which isn't really the same but in a there's no huge change, of course for Foxman, but Alex needs there to be for some kind of a narrative to stick. Yeah, like Mel Gibson has risen

Jordan (00:52:29.000)

above you need to have some sort of locks. Yeah, there needs to be a plot element happening. Right? Yeah.

Dan (00:52:35.000)

When in reality the criticism has been largely the same exact same thing. Yeah. The whole time. Yep. Yep. So I told you there'd be a twist Sure. With the our mystery All right, but Alex not watching.

Jordan (00:52:46.000)

Mr. body isn't dead at all.

Dan (00:52:48.000)

We maybe should be concerned not about Mr. Body. But Alex's body.

Alex Jones (00:52:52.000)

Oh, all right, my brands already in to the second hour. On this global transmission against tyranny. I rarely get sick. But it's my excuse for being a bit. I think the operative word is a Danny today. I wrote last night when I was working on a new film. And then I got home and didn't sleep too well. And I'm sitting here on air running a fever right now. With a raw throat so so just bear with me if I'm not my normal chipper self. I probably shouldn't even do a radio show of I'm sick because, again, I got home last night. And my wife had taped Mel Gibson on on the national show on ABC with Diane Sawyer primetime. And I guess we hadn't taped the whole thing and I'm like, Yep, I knew it. They didn't talk about weapons of mass destruction. See, I knew she'd got out and indeed it was in there. So that's, that's encouraging your wife cut it out.

Dan (00:53:59.000)

No, he had a fever. He was he was just completely delirious from this fever and sore throat that he had COVID 2004

Jordan (00:54:08.000)

Boy, this reminds me of whenever he suddenly had a terrible cough at a trial recently, suddenly, a terrible cough appeared.

Dan (00:54:15.000)

I don't know like I I don't think of Alex as a tough it out kind of guy. And I don't up till this point. And after I saw no signs of a scratchy throat, there is nothing like it. This is just pathetic, just trying to come up with more excuses for why he hasn't seen. He could have just been he refuses to just come out and say no, I didn't watch all of it and do it or whatever. It's

Jordan (00:54:42.000)

he can't take responsibility for his own decision since

Dan (00:54:45.000)

for something as trivial as I didn't watch the Diane Sawyer

Jordan (00:54:47.000)

thing. He cannot take responsibility, you know, so great.

Dan (00:54:51.000)

Just come on here and be like, Look, I didn't get around to the Diane Sawyer thing. I was working on this film. I know you probably want to talk about it. So let's save those call her tomorrow. We'll watch it tonight. Boom, could do that. No problem. Instead he had to try and bluff you

Jordan (00:55:05.000)

got to bluff. You got to bluffs. Sometimes you get caught on your bluff, but that doesn't mean you stop trying. It's amazing. That is a terrible idea.

Dan (00:55:14.000)

Yeah. So Alex wants to complain about some racial a grievance that he has about whiteness. Sure. And he uses a story that I looked into and ended up spiraling into some weird information. All right?

Alex Jones (00:55:27.000)

In public schools all over the nation. If your child writes the word gun in an essay for English class, they're arrested or expelled, the CPS has entered the home, will your child you know, in a story wrote about a gun, which thought crime. A few years ago, there was a case in Idaho, where a black football coach assaulted a white woman who was a reporter, because she took his picture at the end of the game. And the woman's husband jumped over the bleachers and ran up to the black man and the black man called him a racial name. This was in the newspaper. And we had him on the show and the white man called him a racial name back. And he was arrested for the racial term. And the black man wasn't arrested for assaulting the woman. And my point is, is that this is thought crime in America. And they're really trying to set this up there. They're doing this.

Dan (00:56:30.000)

So Alex has some details off about their story, because it's not really an actual event that happened in terms of how his mind relates to it. This is just a vague memory that he pulls up to justify his feelings of intense racial persecution over his whiteness. Also, even if everything Alex was saying was true. That's not a thoughtcrime explicit actions were made, not thoughts.

Jordan (00:56:51.000)

I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and do this now. Because I feel like we've we've done this this fun rabbit hole thing before and I want to have my predictions in Okay, yeah, right here. Do you want

Dan (00:57:01.000)

to write them down? Or do you want to? Do you want to verbalize?

Jordan (00:57:05.000)

Okay, so here's what I think here's how this normally goes down. All right, we have a story that Alex is misrepresenting. And this guy's a real piece of shit. All right, then you come back, we've got another story in like 2012, where he was arrested for blah, blah, blah, then you come back. And then in 2014, he was caught with like, 300 pounds of explosives in his fucking room. And then in 2017, finally, he was arrested on domestic violence charges and he's gonna do 20 years or something. Not exactly.

Dan (00:57:33.000)

The guy himself. There's a little bit of like, manipulation on that front. And then there's an offshoot character, okay. All right. That is more important. All right. That's what I'm okay. So in the real world, this guy wasn't a coach that is involved. It was actually a referee at a high school football game. The woman in question was a reporter named Kimberly Ray, who was trying to take pictures of the referees specifically because she thought they had decided the outcome of the game. And one of the teams wasn't going to go to state because of it. Right. She told ABC, quote, a lot of penalties were called throughout the game, and I decided I was going to include that perspective in my stories. So she felt that there were a lot of penalties in this high school football game and decided that her reporting was going to reflect that. She tried to take pictures of the reps after the game was over. While they were leaving to the locker room. She was asked not to take their picture. And according to her, she stopped and was going to leave when one of them grabbed her camera and tried to wrestle it from her. She yelled for her husband who came to her defense. The ref put up his hands and said, according to the husband, I ain't touched her. This is like I said, it's a story that's coming from her husband, Lonnie Ray. Sure. So it no point in his telling of it to ABC. Did the referee call him any racist names, right? That did not happen in his telling of the story, right. However, he immediately stormed towards the locker room and found the county commissioner there, which should give you a sense of how small of a town we're talking about. So Lonnie told ABC that he said to the county commissioner, you bring that an up here, I want to kick his fucking ass. And it wasn't at an end. No, I

Jordan (00:59:12.000)

understand. There's a fool I think we all got the heart or in your voice. Oh, yeah.

Dan (00:59:16.000)

And thus, Lonnie Ray was looking at charges involving hate speech, mostly because he was using fighting words and making threats while using a racial slur, which could easily be argued implies some greater desire to commit violence against the person because of their race. Yeah. Lonnie didn't get convicted of the hate crime portion of the charges, but he did get charged with assault and he ended up getting seven days in jail, which his lawyer appealed and the conviction was eventually vacated. This all happened in a town in Idaho with a population of around 7000 And it happened three and a half years in the past at this point when Alex was on air amazing that this was like fresh in his mind. Kind of a Oh, no thing.

Jordan (00:59:55.000)

I mean, that is that is a that tells you exactly what sticks You know, sometimes you see what spaghetti stuck on the wall and you're like, really? How about that?

Dan (01:00:06.000)

So lonnis lawyer was a guy named Edgar steel made his bread and butter defending white supremacists in court great. He had recently at that point defended Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler, and he would later go on to be the lawyer slash spokesperson for the white supremacist pop duo prussian blue. I don't know if you know them, but they were like 12 years old. They were 12 year old twins. Who would sing like white man rise up? Wow. Yeah, it was horrible. Oh, yes. Child abuse. Oh, yeah. That's child abuse. For sure. They are in that documentary that Louis Thoreau did. Louis meets the Nazis. Oh, like it's horrifying. Yeah. It's just so scary to see them like just repeating these things that obvious, right? They don't understand. Yeah. It later in life. They still apparently have some problematic views and maybe are Holocaust revisionist? Sure. But they have also said like, we were just repeating things that we didn't even understand. Yeah, it's horrifying. So anyway, his lawyer, this guy at the Idaho football game, his lawyer was their spokesperson. Great. So he is a piece of shit. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yep. He also published a book called, quote, defensive racism and unapologetic examination of racial differences, which is something he clearly has very strong feelings about. He really only took on his case because he thought it could be something that he could take to the Supreme Court to strike down hate speech laws all across the country. That is the game that was being right. Right.

Jordan (01:01:35.000)

He was case shopping. Yes, yeah.

Dan (01:01:37.000)

I found steals book and man, if I were trying to defend myself after I yelled a racist threat at somebody, I would definitely not want him as my lawyer. It's wild. It starts out by doing a little light teasing around the idea that maybe being a racist isn't so bad, and it's just kind of a cute, put your preconceptions aside. Hey, you can pick them back up at the end of the book.

Jordan (01:01:58.000)

Listen, you think? Take every thing you know about the word racist. Yeah, and just forget it. You can pick it back up at the end of start all over. All I'm asking is for 150 pages of your time and learn until you unlearn right?

Dan (01:02:14.000)

Then by the end of it here's where we get Okay, quote, The Zionist Kabbalah top America quite simply will not step aside peacefully, nor will it allow the truth to be told to but a very few. They control the airwaves, the theaters, the newspapers, the magazines. America, Zionist masters direct the efforts of the armed forces both abroad and at home, which regularly are purged of anybody who gives the appearance of dissent. That's quite an escalation it is he lays out a bizarre fantasy where Mexico and Mexican Americans reclaim the southwest and create Aslan and black people they claimed the South as new Africa Okay, white people are going to be up north but it's important to remember that quote, Florida will be a special case due to its large population of Cuban and Caribbean extraction. How it will shake out is anybody's guess but it will end up being a white no go zone of that you can be sure

Jordan (01:03:05.000)

I appreciate somebody who's given me the good warnings in advance you know, like now that I know eventually it will be a no go zone for white people. Sure.

Dan (01:03:13.000)

I'll just pick out exactly everybody's got I assume

Jordan (01:03:17.000)

that the white nationalist President of the United States will retire there to his second White House that will I guess eventually become a fort.

Dan (01:03:27.000)

It's anybody's guess it's anybody's guess. So there's also going to be new Israel which is of course centered around New York or as Steele calls it new Tel Aviv.

Jordan (01:03:35.000)

Okay. Wow, that's just racist beyond race. Oh, yeah. That's pointless racism. Yep.

Dan (01:03:39.000)

Canada will throw in their lot with this new America and, quote, thus the New America becomes pretty much a white homeland with its borders imposed upon it by others in the main only the presence of Jews may be problematic, and by far may prove to be the single most difficult task confronting New America. The single most difficult task that you've just broken up the country into, like, Sure, hostile quadrants, and the most difficult thing for you is the idea that Jews might still blow I

Jordan (01:04:08.000)

mean, they might they might do they, you know, they don't have their own full nation. sighs I don't know what to tell you.

Dan (01:04:14.000)

You can just see how much this guy isn't that how anti semitic he is, like, deeply and fucked up. Dude, yeah. So we can wrap this up with some good news though. Edgar Steele was arrested and convicted in 2011 of trying to hire somebody to kill his wife. 2011.

Jordan (01:04:28.000)

I was one year, I was one year

Dan (01:04:32.000)

or 50 years in jail for trying to put a car bomb. So you had explosives right to?

Jordan (01:04:38.000)

It's not bad. It's not bad.

Dan (01:04:41.000)

He died in prison in 2014. But not for Alex posted an article in 2012 on Infowars that argued that steel was set up and incarcerated thanks to the NDAA I guess because he was too much of a political threat to Obama. Sure, steel was way too obviously a white supremacist and wasn't Mel Gibson stead so Alex couldn't have him on the show. But he was still you willing to use the website to associate in some way with him and make the argument that he got jammed up. So there is still like a little bit of a, you know, little connection to Alex. I

Jordan (01:05:13.000)

mean, that guy can't be your friend. I just I, there's so many signs now, you know, you'll go back and you see this shit and you're like, why are you just fine with them being friends?

Dan (01:05:24.000)

And like, if you are that guy, Lonnie Ray, yeah, in Idaho. You know what this guy is about?

Jordan (01:05:33.000)

If he's your lawyer? Oh, yeah. You know, yeah, you're in Idaho, you know, what's going on the choice

Dan (01:05:36.000)

that you're making. And that tells me a bit about you. And that

Jordan (01:05:40.000)

says that you talked to that lawyer for a while. And that lawyer was probably like, I'm going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court. And you were like, yeah,

Dan (01:05:47.000)

yeah. And I can tell by context clues that this is not the first time you've yelled the N word. No, no, no angrily at somebody you

Jordan (01:05:55.000)

you don't find that guy after your first inward? No, no, your first inward you feel shame. And you're I mean, hopefully. Yeah, I actually, I don't even want to go down this roof. This is terrible. And gross. I'm out.

Dan (01:06:07.000)

So yeah, I found that that interesting. And his book is it's vivid. This fantasy of the the way the the United States is gonna break down into these racial states. Yeah, it's very, it's grim. It's very sad. It is.

Jordan (01:06:24.000)

It is one of those paranoid fantasies that is so absurd on its face. To tell you exactly what you think of human beings, you know, like the idea of, well, obviously, we'll just congregate around race.

Dan (01:06:38.000)

Well, and Alex's buddy, Matt Bracken has very similar, like ideas. Yeah. And it was like, there's a lot of people in Alex's orbit that are like, straight up on that tip.

Jordan (01:06:47.000)

It's so weird to me how many white people are like, Oh, well, obviously everybody else is just as a race racist. That's all bananas thought that white people have. It's wild.

Dan (01:06:57.000)

So there is something else? That's a little bit depressing. Yeah. So he went to prison, this Edgar Rice guy, or Edgar steel guy, because he tried to hire someone to kill his wife. Right. Right. After that. His wife still supported. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, his wife was involved in like, trying to get him led out of prison because she was so into like a lot of that other white supremacist shit, right, and anti semitism stuff that he was all about that, like she couldn't believe it was possible that he would hire someone to kill her. And it must have been the ADL trying to set him

Jordan (01:07:32.000)

up that's willing to die for the cause is what that is. It's that is amazing. Bananas. Yeah. Ah, how do you, man that's, that must have been his fucking lucky as day when he's he's got the commissary numbers. And it's like, oh, this is going down. It's a good thing. My wife doesn't think I tried to kill her, like I'm in jail for for the rest of my life.

Dan (01:07:57.000)

I mean, it was just a shocking story. That

Jordan (01:07:59.000)

is, I just don't even know. I just don't even know. So anyway,

Dan (01:08:03.000)

some more callers want to talk about the thing that Alex didn't watch.

Caller 1 (807) (01:08:06.000)

Diane tried to put a wedge in there and for now stood up to her. When she mentioned something about Hutton saying they're talking about Jews and camped in the Holocaust during the Second World War. And, like 6000 Jews and Hatton seems to think I'm not sure. I just gathered from what was said last night, that there were less than 6000 Jews and now said, you know, 6000 2000 3000, which doesn't matter, it was too many. And she started on it again. And he looked at her right eye to eye, nose to nose. And he said, Diane, don't go there. Don't try. In other words, don't try to put a wedge between my father and me. I previously he had said, I love my father. I respect him. We get along well, we're really tight. And she tried to put that wedge in there and he just stood up to her. And I thought wow, go man go

Alex Jones (01:09:06.000)

on. I'm really frustrated now. I guess I only got about half the show. How long was it? It was an hour

Jordan (01:09:11.000)

real minus a commercial. You know how long it is? So

Caller 1 (807) (01:09:15.000)

it's the full hour she had him for the full

Alex Jones (01:09:17.000)

hour listener called and the listener said that um, I'll just stop asking for a copy of it. They'll send me one and that's good.

Dan (01:09:23.000)

Ah, wow, that color is fascinating for a number of reasons. So many reasons. The first and most obvious one is that she thinks that there were 6000 Jews killed in the Holocaust which is indicative of someone who doesn't really know all that much about history. I thought she had misspoken. She said it multiple times. She

Jordan (01:09:39.000)

said it multiple times. And then in comparison, she said 6000 2003 Like not 6000 was the number

Dan (01:09:46.000)

she believed that level of ignorance is perfect for someone like Alex to prey on because 6000 people dead during a war is a lot easier to minimize than million.

Jordan (01:09:55.000)

Hey 6000 2000 3000 What's the difference? Too many?

Dan (01:09:59.000)

The second thing that jumps right out at you is that this caller has no idea what HUD and Gibson actually is and what he actually believes. Yeah. hudon has been on as a guest with Alex twice in the past month or so. And at no point has any of this element of his belief system come up because Alex is careful to present a curated version of his guests, so the audience doesn't get scared off by their horrible ideas. This caller thinks she's informed on Hutton because she's watched Alex's show, but in reality, she knows less than someone who knows nothing. The third thing is that this caller believes that Diane Sawyer is trying to drive a wedge between Mel and his father by asking about how his dad is a Holocaust denier and whether or not he shares any of his dad's beliefs. That is a fair question for Diane to ask. And it's not driving a wedge. If anything Hutton's Holocaust denial is what would should be considered to be driving a wedge.

Jordan (01:10:51.000)

Yeah, it seems more like it's a it's like a turning the light on to see which side of the line you stand upon. Mel Gibson,

Dan (01:11:01.000)

Mel has made a movie that is offensive to many people specifically in terms of its depiction of Jewish people. One of the things that critics have had a problem with is how the film plays into the tropes around deicide. Miles dad is part of a traditionalist Catholic movement that is particularly mad about the Vatican condemning accusations of deicide against Jewish people. Mel's dad is a Holocaust denier. Given that set of premises it's very relevant and fair to ask them well, if he's also a Holocaust denier? And if he doesn't want to answer that, that's his business. But the answer wouldn't be doing her job if she just left that totally alone. Yeah, this caller doesn't have a serious point. And she has no idea what she's talking about. But she feels very strongly about the subject. And that feeling is what matters more than reality. Yeah. And Alex does really nothing to help bring more information to the table. It just allows those feelings, feelings into the field.

Jordan (01:11:54.000)

I mean, it is such a weird thing that we have in the United States. I know I guess it's worldwide. It's just human beings, right? You can listen to this conversation that somebody has with Mel Gibson, where they're like, Hey, do you deny the Holocaust? And he's like, don't go there. And you'll be like, no, no, no,

Dan (01:12:10.000)

that's not that wasn't a question. I

Jordan (01:12:12.000)

understand. That. I understand. I understand. But my point, my point is, is essentially, the answer that he's giving is the answer. Despite the words not being what you think they should be. Do you know what I mean? Like? Yeah, I

Dan (01:12:25.000)

mean, like, did you hire Edgar steel? If, if no one,

Jordan (01:12:29.000)

if you knew nothing about the Holocaust, and somebody like Diane Sawyer on television, for ABC doing journalism is like, hey, the Holocaust happened, you'd be like, you did? There's no complicated responses there.

Dan (01:12:44.000)

Right. But if you see a kind of a weasel ish response from Mel Gibson, being made, and you're a viewer who thinks like, you know, what, Diane Sawyer is all CFR and she's just trying to trap him in these things. Like, you could see it like, Oh, he's just not willing to play her game, or whatever. You know, like there's, there's ways to recontextualize these things that satisfy the feelings that you need to have. Why is

Jordan (01:13:13.000)

it but there's so many shorter answers like, Do you deny the Holocaust? No. See? See how quick that is? Yeah, it didn't take any time we could move on. Nobody has to be like, we need to find out if you really believe this or not. If you don't say no, I feel like you've already told me what you thought, right?

Dan (01:13:30.000)

It wasn't in this interview. But in another one that like, question directly came up and Mel Gibson gave a an answer that was like, yeah, a lot of people die in war, like kind of thing. Yeah, yes, it happened. You've

Jordan (01:13:43.000)

already told me everything I need to tell me. I know. I know. You didn't say I'm a giant anti Semite who loves the Nazis. But you just said that

Dan (01:13:52.000)

your answer is not good to this question. Oh, it implies other beliefs.

Jordan (01:13:57.000)

Words have to have meanings that you can understand. Yeah. Otherwise, they're pointless.

Dan (01:14:02.000)

So according to Alex, the media hates Christians. Sure.

Alex Jones (01:14:06.000)

Basically, what you said is so right. The media is trying to drive a wedge into the public psyche. So people don't see this film or so they don't get the message of the film. The media is anti Christian. I mean, that's obvious. Just just just, you know, watch a TV show. It's that message is everywhere. And so they try to raise this anti semitism, red herring, because that's a horrible allegation. But we'll come back and continue with your calls wide open phones today. You know, we've

Dan (01:14:43.000)

been really helpful for Alex if he wants to play this game, but the media lying about Hutton and his anti semitism. Alex should have asked Hutton what he thinks about the Holocaust while he was on the show, so you can see for himself, Hudson doesn't make a secret of his beliefs. He wrote a whole newsletter about them, and he's talked about that shit when rip borders have asked, Alex intentionally didn't ask about that stuff. Because if he did, he couldn't pretend the media was lying about Hutton's ideology, because it would be coming straight from his mouth. Yeah, this is just a dumb fucking game yet. Alex is playing of just kind of hiding the point. Yeah. And I guess you can see why he's doing it.

Dan (01:15:21.000)

Yeah. Yeah, that's,

Jordan (01:15:23.000)

I'm gonna have to push back. I don't think the media was very anti Christian at this time at all. No, I think I think there was quite a bit of Brett, very pro Christian media to the point now where I feel like if I went back and visited it, I might, in my conscious brain now be like, oh, there's some anti semitic tropes that were just on TV. Probably. It's probably their god damn.

Dan (01:15:44.000)

So Alex has a feeling about the show up till this point. Sure. And I will say I disagree with it. Okay.

Alex Jones (01:15:50.000)

Well, predominantly, on the show today, we've been talking about the First Amendment and how it's under attack here in the United States. Now, freedom of speech worldwide is under attack and listeners have been calling in one after another, saying how great they thought the primetime piece was last night with Mel Gibson with the CFR member, Diane Sawyer, and how Malla did a pretty good job of Fending off her attempts at demonization. This

Dan (01:16:19.000)

has not been about the First Amendment under attack or anything. It's been complaining about the thing he didn't watch. While everybody and attacking Abraham Foxman unnecessarily Yeah,

Jordan (01:16:32.000)

and I mean, again, like his whole angle, started the day, they portrayed Mel Gibson wrong, and they cut out all the stuff and they did all this thing to make him look bad. Everyone's response on the phones is like, I thought he did a great job. Yeah, he comes off looking good. Ya

Dan (01:16:48.000)

know, the story of this episode up to this point is Alex came in with a pre loaded narrative that was based on not watching the thing he's talking about. And it's completely collapsed under his feet. Multiple excuses. Tons. I had a fever. My wife didn't record it. Sore Throat got annoyed rewinding

Jordan (01:17:06.000)

my wife recorded of five minutes of it.

Dan (01:17:09.000)

Right? There's 100 reasons why he didn't watch this. But yeah, generally speaking, all of the response from the audience has been exactly to the narrative that he put up. Yeah. And so a little bit of that is why it's very convenient to pivot over to the, why is the ADL changing? Of course, you can kind of get a little bit of traffic out of that a little mileage. But yeah,

Jordan (01:17:33.000)

this is why you don't bluff on on TV, or on the radio, you don't broadcast your bluffs. You want to win. It's fun, though. If you're gonna bluff pre record, if you're gonna blow up pre record and then don't edit, then just don't release it.

Dan (01:17:46.000)

It's fun, though to see Alex sort of try and maneuver this

Jordan (01:17:51.000)

is he is living on the edge. Yeah, I will say that I don't think is the audience has really quite understood that he didn't watch shit. No.

Dan (01:17:59.000)

I watched a couple minutes we'll see. Maybe? Well, no, because he has a couple of specifics. But yeah, he has another he has some thoughts about the passion, though. And I just at this point, it's kind of tearing out my hair.

Alex Jones (01:18:11.000)

I was just talking to Hutton during the break. He thought it was a pretty good piece and soda dye. And what else can they do? What does it mean? It's a good movie. It's a wholesome film. Why then has the medium and demonizing the Passion of Christ. And this is just a microcosm example of how across the board, anything that's wholesome and good is being attacked. All things that are evil are being held up as good. But I mean, basically, that's all I can say on the subject.

Dan (01:18:42.000)

So now it's good. The peace and also, the Passion of the Christ is wholesome and a good movie. You haven't seen it? It's also another thing that you haven't seen that you're making strong claims about something good movie.

Jordan (01:18:57.000)

I know. I read the book.

Dan (01:19:03.000)

He talks so much about things he has not experienced.

Jordan (01:19:06.000)

i It is it is like I mean, Fox News at this time was not it wasn't the Fox News that we have today. No, it was still it was still very on the right wing.

Dan (01:19:17.000)

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Quite. patriotism. Yeah,

Jordan (01:19:21.000)

totally. And and but their argument shows we're always about, like, arguing about the reality and not like hiding everything. Yeah, they were just yell reality,

Dan (01:19:33.000)

like Hannity and comb.

Jordan (01:19:35.000)

Yeah, they would do that. This is that proto Fox News where it's like, I don't even give a fuck about reality. Yeah, don't give a shit. I don't care what they say. I don't care what anybody says. If that sun is not blue, you're wrong. You know? And it's like, that's just what they do. And that's Alex being like, Well, fuck it. I don't care. I guess it was good Peace. Hey, it was good. It was bad. Whatever anybody says I'm gonna give you what you want. and you're gonna give me money for it.

Dan (01:20:01.000)

So there's another thing that happens a little bit on this episode, which is on our last 2004 episode, Alex talked to a gun grabbing preacher, a Presbyterian preacher who he tricked into coming on the show one of the great interviews and so a couple of callers on this episode. Also want to complain about your still.

Alex Jones (01:20:19.000)

Oh, I guess who's up next year? Victor? Victor in Florida. Go ahead. You're on the air.

Caller 2 (807) (01:20:25.000)

Hello. I'm calling from Pensacola and I wanted to comment on the so called pastor from Presbyterian Church USA in Dallas.

Alex Jones (01:20:34.000)

Those again that just joined us recap what happened yesterday.

Caller 2 (807) (01:20:39.000)

Well, basically he is a gun grabber who is using his church to indoctrinate people into believing that you know, you shouldn't have gun.

Dan (01:20:49.000)

Move on.

Jordan (01:20:50.000)

Oh, I'm sorry. Are you calling Alex? days after no date

Dan (01:20:55.000)

the next day, the next day to have complaining about this pastor?

Jordan (01:21:00.000)

Or you're calling Alex the next day to say to Alex the thing Alex said to you. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to double check on playing about this. Alex said specifically those exact words. Well, there's more

Dan (01:21:12.000)

complaining about Presbyterians after this, because they are like they're into open borders. Sure. And Alex's, like his evidence of this is that they like will put up water for people who are migrants and

Jordan (01:21:26.000)

those awful terrible, they don't want people to die or open borders Presbyterian. That

Dan (01:21:30.000)

doesn't seem to be like open borders advocacy to me as much as it is like humanitarian aid. You know, no, no. And then also he Alex says, and they're into all those marriages, right code for types. Right, right. Or Alex is staunchly opposed to Yeah,

Jordan (01:21:47.000)

I was thinking about that time that Jesus saw that dude on the road, and he had money, he was blind or whatever. And Jesus was like, I'm gonna put some mud in those eyes. And then you're gonna be able to see, right, right? What if instead, he was like, emigrate and then punched him and then ran away, we'd have a much better Bible.

Dan (01:22:03.000)

Sure. Yeah. Open borders.

Jordan (01:22:06.000)

We don't have an open Bible, not open Bible.

Dan (01:22:08.000)

So we have one last color. And there's a couple clips of this. Because it's it's, it's a everything's interesting, but it's, it's a portrait that we have. We see Alex as this guy who is incapable of critical thinking, pushed back on stuff. Correct. But that's not true. Now, he does push back on some stuff. True. So he gets a caller who wants to talk about NESARA? Oh, my God, which is now a big thing with Guna. Yeah, yeah. 20 years later,

Jordan (01:22:40.000)

I saw I saw the cause I didn't know I'd never seen it written out before. We only talked about NESARA and Jazira. Yeah. And then one day, I think I saw like one of the Twitter trending topics was NESARA. And I was like, that is that's how it's written down. And I know instantly. Oh, we're fucked. Yeah, that's cute. It's still

Dan (01:23:01.000)

I mean, it's it was already a thing here, even 1014 conspiracy circles, bananas. And so this caller wants to talk about it. And Alex is like, it's not real. Shut up. Just real. And I can tell you in advance why. Yeah. And it's because it's a hope narrative. It's a narrative that everything is okay. Right. And like, there's going to be this reset of the economy and all of your debts are going to be forgiven. There's a plan, right? Yeah. And Alex does not like that because he wants to scare you. Plans are evil,

Jordan (01:23:31.000)

right. People who make plans are killing you. Yeah, that is how it works.

Alex Jones (01:23:35.000)

Lisa in Michigan, go ahead.

Caller 1 (807) (01:23:38.000)

Hi, Alex. How you doing? I'm doing okay. Listen, we just found out a couple of days ago on February 12. That Sarah though, is not a dead girl. In fact, it was passed secretly on March 9 2013.

Alex Jones (01:23:55.000)

The server is not real.

Caller 1 (807) (01:23:59.000)

Well, it was secretly that's what they wanted. There's a gag order. And it was secretly passed on March 9. Okay

Alex Jones (01:24:08.000)

for those that just joined us Why don't you tell people what no Sarah claims to be?

Caller 1 (807) (01:24:12.000)

Well, the Sarah it gives forgiveness of credit card mortgage debt and other bank loans as remedy for bank and government fraud. polishes, the IRS creates flate flat rate non essential new items only sales tax revenue from government that restores constitutional law initiate US Treasury bank system which absorbs the Federal Reserve and knew of precious metal back US Treasury currency. I don't know much about it, Alex, but they requested it to the world. To the world core as we speak, right?

Alex Jones (01:24:45.000)

Well, you say you don't know much about it. I

Caller 1 (807) (01:24:48.000)

just found out about it, but we do know it was secretly passed on March 9. And how do you know that? I'm gonna fax the documents to you today and you're gonna fax

Alex Jones (01:24:58.000)

the the stuff that's on the internet to me.

Caller 1 (807) (01:25:03.000)

Well, they got it, they got a gag order.

Alex Jones (01:25:06.000)

I'm not trying to be mean to you, but I live this this is my life, okay? And like came out a few years ago and said everything's all right. The government secretly passed laws reinstituting reinstituting the Constitution and everything's okay now meanwhile, they're passing Patriot Act One and two, all this stuff happening. And there's this rumor that there's the secret law that was passed and everything's okay now and I'm telling you, it's not true.

Caller 1 (807) (01:25:33.000)

Well, it says that there was four petitions a world courts mended by the banking system with the Illuminati. They're trying to stop this, Alex. They're trying to stop this because it's gonna make them go down.

Dan (01:25:45.000)

So Alex is able to push back on stuff and he's even able to say like, oh, some dumb thing you found on the internet? Yep. What is this? What you

Jordan (01:25:52.000)

do everything you do? Everything you do don't

Dan (01:25:56.000)

qualify. fucking dare you. Yeah, it's a little rude. That is, but there's the best moment ever. Oh, that

Jordan (01:26:03.000)

we have a Wikipedia article in a manila envelope. Right?

Dan (01:26:07.000)

Look, but there's just the best moment ever. Okay, right here. I had to isolate it.

Caller 1 (807) (01:26:14.000)

Or trying to stop this because?

Jordan (01:26:17.000)

Oh, god, yeah, I heard that. I heard that. I was like, that's gotta be him. Right. But then I also thought, hey, it could be me. Anybody? anybody listening with a mic nearby would be like, Oh, God.

Dan (01:26:27.000)

Like he's trying to just be like, what? You have to accept my authority on this. Yeah, I have researched all of these things. And this thing that you found online is bullshit. All the things I find online and tell you about are true and very important. I think she won't listen. And that's what's making him say, God, yeah, keeps coming back with like, it's sent to the World Court and do Jason care that he's trying to present himself as the guy who knows at all,

Jordan (01:26:57.000)

I was waiting for him to go off on just like, Oh, what, what did you have it in a dream? Did you dream that it was passed? Did you dream that there's some sort of bass cabal of people out here going around trying to make everybody do evil things. Of course, you believe that nonsense.

Dan (01:27:15.000)

But there's also in that clip, you can see the the kind of better indication of why this is a unpalatable narrative to Alex, it's because it's relief through the government, basically, you know, it's through government channels, the problem can be solved. And Alex cannot accept that he cannot believe that the only way to solve these problems, because the globalists have infiltrated literally everything is deconstructing almost all of the government terror notions through government are anathema to what he can possibly go for. So even though it's a fun conspiracy narrative, and a lot of people are into it, it's something that Alex will never be on board with.

Jordan (01:27:57.000)

Yeah, I mean, I'm not on board with it. Period, even if it is a good thing. I don't think laws should be passed and secret. I'm gonna throw that out there. I think if you're passing secret laws, something is far but there's a far larger problem going on. Fair enough

Dan (01:28:13.000)

that so here is the the rest of him talking to her. Okay. And like he's just sort of condemning himself. A little bit through her. Yeah,

Alex Jones (01:28:23.000)

man. The Sarah is not real. Well, I mean, I could go Hold on I could go start a website. You did and say that I had easter bunnies hanging out in my backyard. law had been passed concerning the Easter Bunny, and the government was blocking it Lieutenant Colonel's have told me it's not gloveless it's it's an urban legend.

Caller 1 (807) (01:28:46.000)

Okay. Actor from out in Hillsborough County was telling us that that this this is true in and they're trying to keep it it's not a good thing. They're trying to they gotta gigs. They got it. In fact, it's got a thing. Yeah, they got a gag order on it. If you say anything. treason and punishment. This is what they're telling. Craziness. No, it is. I think it's weird, too. But I want you to know, and I want you to check it out. Don't believe me?

Alex Jones (01:29:25.000)

Did you not hear me, Lisa? I have checked it out for three years.

Caller 1 (807) (01:29:29.000)

Okay, well, this is the stuff that's getting forwarded to us. And it's in the world. They're waiting for that they requested it right now. And they're waiting for the process.

Alex Jones (01:29:39.000)

So I'm not here criticizing you. I mean, it's okay that you called up asking me about macera. But I keep telling you that I have researched it. You told me I need to research it. I'm telling you. It's an urban legend. The government didn't secretly make everything all right, and give us our rights back. It's just not true.

Caller 1 (807) (01:29:56.000)

It's not all right. That just seems like a good thing, but it's not

Alex Jones (01:30:00.000)

Okay, thank you for the call. Didn't someone come on the convention? You so All right, you know, everybody's running around going, the government's really good. And they secretly overthrew the New World Order in 2000. And look, and the New World Order is covering this up. I'm gonna hang up on

Dan (01:30:15.000)

you, because you Oh, let me gatekeeper. Yeah, your conspiracy ideas.

Jordan (01:30:19.000)

Yeah, my biggest problem is your conspiracy ideas are different from mine. Yeah.

Dan (01:30:23.000)

And I'm not going to be able to you won't bend to my reality. And so at no point in talking,

Jordan (01:30:30.000)

yeah, you know, here's, here's what I was thinking. All right. I was thinking I had a thought when she said that. The forward, this is what we're getting forwarded, right? And I was reminded of the number of FW de colon training, you know, that you used to get. And then I was like, Oh, well, with social media. At least I don't get those emails anymore. Because all those people do that shit on social media. And that saves my inbox. And then I went back and revisited that. And I was like, No, that stuff should be in your email box. That should be in your inbox. You should leave it there. Yeah,

Dan (01:31:03.000)

it should be. It should go to spam. It's like, everywhere. You'll end up seeing everywhere. Yeah, it's worse that it's not something that you can just ignore. Oh, totally easily. Email. What

Jordan (01:31:16.000)

a huge mistake we all made. Whenever we complained about those. Yeah,

Dan (01:31:20.000)

we didn't even know we had it. So good. Oh, my

Jordan (01:31:23.000)

God. And then we were complaining about those and we're like, well, at least it's not the chain letters that you got in the mail. God damn, we gotta go back. We gotta go back, buddy. Oh, no. Get this thing up to 88 miles an hour. Oh, I

Dan (01:31:35.000)

thought you were doing a Jack in season. Three or four of

Jordan (01:31:39.000)

law. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'll go back to the future.

Dan (01:31:43.000)

All right, back in time. So we come to the end of this man, I swear. I was expecting something with the cliffhanger of Alex having the Diane Sawyer thing to watch. I didn't expect this. No, I didn't in a million years expect that he wouldn't have watched it and try to pretend that he did. He had two

Jordan (01:32:03.000)

eights. It just never occurred to me. Nope. That's not a thought that I had. He's such

Dan (01:32:08.000)

a weird dude. That like, everything is like not everything. But a lot of things are very unpredictable. We can still be kind of surprised by bad choices that just, I mean, different genres of bad choice.

Jordan (01:32:22.000)

Yeah, it's like you if you brought it up in a production meeting, like Hey, guys, I didn't actually see this, then somebody would have given you Swoozie on a production meeting. I know again, why it's called him during again. That's what I'm saying. That's my point here is that all of this is going wrong because he's just keeping it up to do a

Dan (01:32:39.000)

production meeting with talking to a lamp.

Jordan (01:32:41.000)

Don't be a player manager. No.

Dan (01:32:44.000)

Doll che is absolutely one of the one of those phases anyway, we'll be back Jordan indeed we will for another episode tune but until then we have a website. Indeed

Jordan (01:32:53.000)

we do. It's knowledge.com Yep, we're

Dan (01:32:55.000)

also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yeah, we'll be back but until then, I'm gonna yo I'm Leo amnesiacs clock screen

Dan (01:33:02.000)

where we where we will whip up boop boop boop boop boop boop boop.

Unknown Speaker (01:33:11.000)

And now here comes the sex robots.

Alex Jones (01:33:13.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Unknown Speaker (01:33:17.000)

Oh, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.