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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge, right. I'm Dan. Dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan, good question for you. But it's up. today. Why don't you take the wheel? Well,

Jordan (00:01:15.000)

Dan, may the fourth be with you?

Dan (00:01:18.000)

I've heard that before. Yeah, Cindy.

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We're recording that

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were made the fourth Star Wars

Dan (00:01:25.000)

followed closely by Cinco Demayo.

Jordan (00:01:27.000)

Joe it's a it's a double feature. Right, left, right, left. Yeah, absolutely. No. And so there is a series that Star Wars puts out called Star Wars visions. And they have a bunch of different animating studios make these short stories that are so so unique inside the world of Star Wars, there's there's definitely a point of view that you don't get from other creators in the like, because with the less attention and the less budget, they're allowed to do more interesting things. So this season, you've got like claymation done by like, it's fun. Yeah, there's there's all kinds of there's the people who did Spider Man into the spider verse, their animation style. There's all these cool little

Dan (00:02:12.000)

short stories, they get somebody from Spider Man Turn Off the Dark. I

Jordan (00:02:16.000)

don't know. But there was some rotoscope. So it's possible. I don't know. But yeah, it's just a really, really good way to view things whenever you're allowed to be inside this world. You know that. And my theory on why it's it's really, really touching in a way is because the world of Star Wars is so familiar to me. It is very similar to the real world. And as far as how emotionally connected I can be just stories within it. You know what I'm saying? Sure. So it is it is more effecting than some other type of fantasy story because I lived in Star Wars. Do you know what I

Dan (00:02:53.000)

mean? I guess yeah.

Jordan (00:02:54.000)

Yes, you do now? Yeah. you fully understand? Sure. What's your bright spot?

Dan (00:02:58.000)

Well, I guess it's, you know, like, my parents gave me a tube of bath bombs. For my birthday. Maybe it was Christmas Eve it because yeah, it was it. They've been in the bathroom for a while. I mean, I gave

Jordan (00:03:12.000)

you some bathrooms. Do you use mine?

Dan (00:03:13.000)

I think so. Okay, that's pretty good. But these ones they have things in them. Oh, I didn't realize that. But so like, like, what? Like eyeballs? No, like, there was one. And you know, it fizzed. Sure and then when it was gone, there was a gold coin. Like a pirate treasure coin. One had a ring in it. All right. All right. Had a Heart. Okay. And then this last one. Crazy. Okay, so it made the tub blue. Sure. The water was like blue. Like I've done that. Yeah, I've been there. The thing that it had inside it was a bunch of little snowflakes. Okay, so it made it like an ice ice Wonderland bath.

Jordan (00:03:54.000)

That's nice. That's fun.

Dan (00:03:56.000)

I guess so I'm grasping at straws.

Jordan (00:03:57.000)

I had I had a one of the bath bombs that I got in Dublin. They made all these custom bath bombs that you could make there. And one of the things that we got was a was one that was filled with a lot more glitter than I expected. Sure. I was covered in glitter for two

Dan (00:04:14.000)

days. You'd never expect the power of glitter. It never goes away. Yep, yep. It it's not to be trifled with. And that's why glitter bombing is terrorism. We need to treat it as such. Absolutely. So Jordan today we have an episode to go over. And we're talking about May 3 and fourth, maybe 2023. That is Wednesday and Thursday. Right? As as present day as it can be quite frankly. And yeah, weird. Weird week schedule wise. You know, we had your interview episode on Monday and we recorded that interview on Tuesday night with Mark and it's gonna come out on Wednesday. Yep, and then scheduling time. Due to like some of the content, we had to put it out in the afternoon soup and the snakes were sneaky sneaky snakes went crazy this week. Yeah, just, uh, just wild. Alex had been out of studio though. So it was all it was all just, you know, just perfect timing for all of that. Yeah. But now Alex is back and better than ever.

Jordan (00:05:20.000)

It's time to get down to business.

Dan (00:05:23.000)

Better than ever.

Jordan (00:05:25.000)

It's big boy pants time. Oh, oh, it is? Oh, it

Dan (00:05:28.000)

is big boy. So I got a little bit of feedback that I was busting your balls a little bit on the last episode.

Jordan (00:05:34.000)

That's our dynamic.

Dan (00:05:35.000)

I know. I I admit that I was poking fun at your interview skills. Yeah, of course. But it wasn't fun. I was not being malicious. I just want everyone to know that. I was. I think it's fantastic that you're doing these? Of course, of course, I'm not insulting. You

Jordan (00:05:51.000)

see, that's the thing that people don't know about us personally, is that you know me well enough to know that no matter what my ego needs to be kept in check at all costs, right. And if you preventative Yeah, if you don't, if you don't get a baseline, like think about how confident I am right now. Imagine if I if I didn't have near constant hatred, right? Oh, man, I'd be out of control. And

Dan (00:06:12.000)

it's best when that hatred comes from someone who cares. Yeah, absolutely.

Jordan (00:06:16.000)

Yeah. No, because then we can be friends afterwards.

Dan (00:06:21.000)

But yeah, I knew I knew everything was fine. On our front cover. I see some people commenting on that. And I wanted to know that there's no animosity or weirdness between us doing this for years. That is true. Yeah. So Jordan today, where are we at this episode, but first, we have some long, I'll say hello to that's a great idea. So first, don't bet a Bibi you can't afford to lose. Thank you so much on our policy walk.

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your bottom baby. Next salines college fund. Thank you so much. You're an alpha as you walk.

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Thank you very much lane and go into college. school of hard knocks. Next to Alex sounds like he's saying Riddler at the beginning of the theme and you can never unhear that thank you so much. For now policy walk.

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Jordan (00:07:24.000)

How do you pronounce the heart emoji? Blue? Okay.

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you very much.

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Thank you. And Jordans Austin pharmacist. Thank you so much for now policy walk.

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I think I know who that is probably. In the mix. I don't approve of this. But whatever. I mean, I approve of the person that I'm sure they're wonderful. But I don't approve of this name. Okay. But thank you so much to Dan's been licking and sticking Nancy Reagan and secretly loves it. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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Thank you very much.

Dan (00:08:18.000)

So we're gonna start here on the third, the third. And the third is actually a very interesting day. I don't think I've seen something quite like this. Okay, at least in a while. And that is that Alex is recording an episode but not from his own studio. Okay. Now a couple times. We've seen him in a hotel room are sure when he's on a workstation. Is he finally

Jordan (00:08:38.000)

calling in from the car entirely? The whole thing? It would be great one road trip. Austin to New York. I'm doing a 24 hour. Yeah,

Dan (00:08:47.000)

I want to see America. I will be broadcasting from small Texas. That was a fantasy that I had. Yeah. Before we started this podcast, one of the things I thought about doing was getting an RV and doing a podcast from small towns. Sure. And like just experiencing it, talking to people doing whatever and then like the audience could tell me where to go next course I thought that'd be a really fun idea. But I don't want to live in an

Jordan (00:09:16.000)

RV. We've all been in that place of like, maybe I just hit the road and then we're like logistics are a nightmare. Yeah,

Dan (00:09:22.000)

I think some of that may come from our time doing stand up. Like fantasy of the road life. Wanted to live the road. Yeah, but no, that's not where Alex is. No, he's in Texas. Okay, another city in Texas. Okay, he's at Steven Crowder studio. Oh, he's recording his episode from Steven Crowder. Oh,

Jordan (00:09:39.000)

wait. He's recording his episode from Crowder studio. Yeah, his shit is so broke. It's

Dan (00:09:44.000)

very strange. I don't know what's going on. Ladies and

Alex Jones (00:09:47.000)

gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this live Wednesday edition of the Alex Jones Show. It's May 3 2023. And I come to you live from the amazing studios and unknown location in Texas. The great Steven Crowder and his wonderful groom will be here for the next three hours and 55 minutes and then Owen Shroyer, 3pm. Central today from the Infowars studios in the once great city of Austin, Texas now taking over the lawless George Soros left.

Unknown Speaker (00:10:17.000)

Oh, when did that happen? I like

Jordan (00:10:20.000)

that. I like that. Oh, and doesn't get to go on field trips. No. Hey, buddy, you're staying home this time? Yeah. You know, you know, he was like, Oh, my coming to No, no, no,

Dan (00:10:32.000)

sorry. No room in the car. salutely. I gotta take.

Jordan (00:10:36.000)

You're taking here. No, I see. You're taking the tour bus. There's like three beds in there.

Dan (00:10:40.000)

Yeah. And I got to take Well, I mean, look, I gotta take barns. Sure. Well, of course he gets it. Feel the wind in his head. Yeah, I think that Austin's always been pretty lefty. I don't know when it fell to the tonight.

Jordan (00:10:59.000)

I mean, it was great city. It was it was a stronghold for the left and now it is overrun.

Dan (00:11:07.000)

Yeah. So this is interesting timing. I don't know how much you've been following the situation with Steven Crowder's life,

Jordan (00:11:14.000)

it is still my goal to know as little as possible about what's going on.

Dan (00:11:18.000)

So Steven Crowder, had that situation with the daily wire. Okay. You remember that? Because we talked about that, right? They offered him a contract. Yeah. And then he made a big deal. We did the whole

Jordan (00:11:27.000)

thing. And it was a bunch of whining. Terrible. Yes, mostly.

Dan (00:11:31.000)

And so in the aftermath of that, Candace Owens made a video where she said that he's got a lot on his plate and people should pray for him. And it was kind of maybe in a like

Jordan (00:11:42.000)

backhanded compliment. He kind of there was

Dan (00:11:45.000)

a feeling of that Midwest, Southern, bless your heart, kind of we're praying for you vibe. Fuck you. A little bit of you. There was a tiny bit of fuck you and yeah, but it wasn't over. So then flash forward a bit until fairly, fairly recently, within the last couple of weeks, Steven Crowder puts out a video where he discusses that he is getting a divorce or has been in the process of this divorce for a while Sure, and that he had been trying to keep it secret and that he heavily implied the Candace Owens was extorting him.

Jordan (00:12:21.000)

He can't No, no, he can't take the contract until the divorce is finalized. Otherwise, the income goes into the divorce.

Dan (00:12:30.000)

No, because he took a contract with rumble,

Jordan (00:12:33.000)

right? No, no, I mean, the daily wire thing, right.

Dan (00:12:36.000)

I don't know how much the rumble contract is paying it but probably a bit. Maybe not as much probably as the daily wire. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know where the varying levels of fair enough.

Jordan (00:12:45.000)

I don't know about divorce. That's an

Dan (00:12:46.000)

interesting theory. And that may be but I don't know, we'll see. So anyway, he was a very seriously and strongly insinuated that Candace Owens was extorting him about the fact that he was getting a divorce show. He was keeping private, okay for the safety of his children, ostensibly, or something along those lines. Yeah. So Candace Owens is like, fuck you.

Jordan (00:13:12.000)

Yeah, of course. You can't call me a blackmailer, right? What are you talking about?

Dan (00:13:16.000)

So this I'm rich, this becomes a huge mess. Sure. And in the process of it, somebody releases some ring camera footage of Steven Crowder, being a real fucking asshole to his very pregnant than wife grades. Great stuff, right? Yeah. And so public opinion has become quite against Steven Crowder in terms of his behavior. I believe, as I understand some of the main things in this video that was released. There's like, him trying to get her to feed the dogs a medicine that's dangerous for pregnant women to touch. Yeah. So what right? Okay, but but it's a wifely duty thing? Kind of? I don't know. Okay, so there's that and then off camera. Apparently. He said I will fuck you up. Great. Great, which I I've heard that said I've not seen any rebuttal. And I, in the article that I read. It said that Steven Crowder acknowledged saying that

Jordan (00:14:26.000)

okay, that's okay. You remember all those red flag things we have about potential violence towards women. That's up on the top number one red flag done?

Dan (00:14:37.000)

Yeah. From the sense of that I get having not really dug super deep into this. We have very clear instance, and allegations of emotional abuse, cheer for sure. Great verbal, great psychological type,

Jordan (00:14:55.000)

but it's only one short step to physical and most people make it there. Yeah,

Dan (00:14:59.000)

but I I'm not sure if that is the case, but it may be you might not be sure. I'm not sure. So this is where we find Steven Crowder right now. Yeah, he's doing great little bit of the time after this where now maybe he's become even more of a toxic commodity right to the people in his sphere. Right? You have people who might have been thrilled to have him on the show before. Maybe you're like, I don't know about this. Now, but I know Alex, because he's right there with him. So funny. Alex is also clearly an emotional abuser who doesn't respect his spouse. The last

Jordan (00:15:31.000)

time we talked about Crowder you're like, oh, man, I wonder if he's coming to Infowars and we're like, I don't know he might be too big. Boom. Infowars baby Alex is broadcasting from your studio. Yeah,

Dan (00:15:42.000)

Alex is in New York.

Jordan (00:15:46.000)

The metaphor for that is astonish Ellie on boy

Dan (00:15:50.000)

behind your fucking desk and you're in the guest chair, buddy.

Jordan (00:15:54.000)

Well take Alex might as well be wearing a Steven Crowder basket that taken off and be like it was me the whole time.

Dan (00:15:59.000)

He's wearing one of Steven Crowder shirts. fight like hell shirts. Yeah.

Jordan (00:16:05.000)

Berets. Does anybody know symbolism anymore? Do we need to call Umberto Eco? You want to happen it

Dan (00:16:11.000)

you might might need to get him in the mix. So yeah, it's interesting, I believe. Yeah. The last time we talked about it, he was like, he's too big. Yeah. And now I think he's

Jordan (00:16:22.000)

getting he's right in there. Yeah, he's in the pocket.

Dan (00:16:24.000)

I think so especially the reputational damage and institutional damage that he did to himself with the entire fiasco with daily wire. Yeah. Makes I think probably most reputable businesses not want to work with Right, right. Seems like somebody that might leak the insides of your content. Your contract? might fuck around and record you surreptitiously not good. Yeah. So there's, there's a number of that things. And then other stuff. He just seems like maybe he's an asshole. There's a bunch of people who have worked with him before who have come out and said like, yeah, the Steven you saw in my videos, the real him. There's like, people who've come out and said he, like we're like, exposed himself at work on multiple occasions. Right? And like, so yeah. I mean, he's, he's in a bad he's in a bad place. You

Jordan (00:17:13.000)

know, it is so fascinating to me how when somebody with the ideological bent that leans towards doing these things to people, right, when people work for them, they cannot, they cannot engage in any of the behavior, like, say, reporting him for doing all of this shit, because they ideologically believe that he should be allowed to abuse them. Right?

Dan (00:17:37.000)

What do I do go to a union totally right to go to workplace harass? Yeah,

Jordan (00:17:41.000)

I just suck it up and allow him to abuse people until it becomes public, and then other people take care of it for me,

Dan (00:17:48.000)

or I have to get all the way to the point where I'm changing my political idea. Totally. Yeah. So also, Alex, in that clip said that they're gonna be there for four hours. They are not okay. They are there for two hours. Oh, and his hosting back and covers the rest of the show. All right, good. So, before Stephen comes in, Alex is getting to a little bit a little a little bit of news.

Alex Jones (00:18:10.000)

We'll also be looking at to drone strike in the early morning hours, today in Moscow, attacking the living quarters. Lattimer Putin, they're able to shoot down the drums. And then they exploded once they were hit. That is a serious act of war. And the Russians have said an attempted assassination of Putin is a serious red line. Yeah, there

Dan (00:18:32.000)

was a drone that flew over the Kremlin, which may or may not have been shot down. The exact purpose of the drones mission is unknown, and all parties have been denying responsibility for it. It's a little rich of Alex to make a big deal out of this being an act of war, though seeing as Russia is currently engaged in a war of aggression against Ukraine. Yeah, even if the drone was sent by Ukraine, are they not allowed to do acts of war when they're in a war that they didn't start?

Jordan (00:18:57.000)

I mean, I would say that the number one thing everyone should be doing right now is trying to kill Putin. Why? Why not? Yo, what? Well, what are you talking about? See, if you're at war, the leader of the war is also at war, who it gets to be warned at Right, right, right. You get if anybody gets to die, Putin gets to die.

Dan (00:19:15.000)

Here's how comical this nonsense is. I'm like, I don't want our listeners

Jordan (00:19:21.000)

to kill Putin. If anybody wants to walk to Russia right now and kill him. That's fine.

Dan (00:19:27.000)

I think I will. I'm torn. I'm torn on the message. I

Jordan (00:19:32.000)

can't not be like hey, you can kill Hitler. We're not going to live in a not kill Hitler world. That's not gonna happen, not for me. Other people can choose the true forgiveness of God. I'm not talking. I'm talking whatever they accept that every human life is precious. He's talking about you want but that motherfucker can die every day every day. That's not

Dan (00:19:54.000)

what I'm talking about. We're talking about encouraging violent behaviors in people. You know, like that lions who towards

Jordan (00:20:00.000)

Hitler courage violent behavior towards Hitler. We can't live in that not world

Dan (00:20:11.000)

it's just weird. It is

Jordan (00:20:13.000)

weird. Weird, but that's war right? We have to accept that that's You can't start a war itself.

Dan (00:20:19.000)

But here's here's the here's the kind of issue that I'm I'm butting up against so to say that it's war. I agree with you. We're not in that war. But does that not like are you not allowed to join the side of the war against him? I don't know. Could you be a mercenary? I mean, Trump, you probably could official foreign leader through a we can always go there. Right. That's how you become a great writer, right?

Jordan (00:20:46.000)

No, I would say this. Yeah. In a best world. We take one attack on any of us in aggression as an attack on all of us.

Dan (00:20:55.000)

i Well, you're getting dangerously close to libertarianism. Oh, boy. Ah, what? Libertarianism non Aggression Principle, baby. No, I

Jordan (00:21:03.000)

mean that if somebody attacks anybody, they are attacking the entire human race and the entire human race must be willing to stamp out this nightmare. That's not quite

Dan (00:21:13.000)

libertarian, I guess a little bit not military. So there's a couple things that I find interesting about the situation with the drone. Yeah. The first is that Putin spokesperson has blamed the US for the drone saying that Ukraine launched it on us orders. No evidence was shown to support this claim. But that's some wild kind of talk can be thrown around. Yeah. The second thing I find interesting is that Intel a few years ago, Alex would very easily have said that this was an instance of Putin false flagging himself to blame his enemies, so he could justify greater aggression against them. Not anymore though, because Putin is just the best Yeah,

Jordan (00:21:47.000)

this doesn't I do I do appreciate that kind of a like Oh, yeah. The US was like Hey, Ukraine. Hey, buddy. Don't you want to don't you want to do it? Just send a drone just send one drunk buddy just sent one drone no big deal maybe a couple a couple What are you not gonna try it come by the United States peer pressured Ukraine into an assassination attempt.

Dan (00:22:08.000)

It's totally cool. So we get to the issue of Tucker cheer. And here's where Alex is on this. The the there's been some leaks of information about Tucker some videos of him like before his show starts on Fox nation him saying like, no one watches Fox nation the show was that fast. That kind of stuff. Yeah. And so Alex's belief is that she's gonna articulate here is that they're trying to lure him into breaking his non disparagement clause. The thinks that it's Fox and Rupert Murdoch himself who's like leaking this stuff. So that's where he's

Alex Jones (00:22:50.000)

speaking more. I want to talk about Tucker Carlson. I covered this some in the last hour of the show yesterday, but Stephen agrees my lesser degree and my crew agrees or might talk to embrace the dirt that Fox News that she was releasing the satellite raw feeds of Tucker Carlson making jokes about media matters, and about postmenopausal women and things like that. He's being done by Fox because Tucker has a non disparagement clause in his contract. He's not been disparaging Fox News. Oh, no. Yeah. So they're leaking it disgustingly to Media Matters, hoping that by messing with Tucker, and getting in his face, that that he will then strike back at them, and then they can play some type of game with his contract. Now I can tell everybody that wants to bring down Tucker Carlson, some summers, I know the inside baseball, I know what really went on. And I've been known as information incompetent. So I will not be telling you what I know here. I just want everybody laughing everybody that you had a victory to know, you have just made Tucker Carlson bigger, just like censoring Infowars. I made this bigger. It is her Carlson is not going anywhere. And I would leave it at that. And I would also say that for a lot of the groups out there. Patrick and Davidson a really nice guy I like him a lot. You know Newsmax has some good people over there another offering Tucker 100 million dollar contracts the rest of it over the next five years. So just say this. I wouldn't hold your breath. Because Tucker's already been through the experience of having bosses at the Heritage Foundation, and then at CNN and a bunch of other places. And Tucker wants to be his own boss. And in the future in the very near future. I would expect Tucker Carlson to launch his own operation on Stormfront round that build an entire new network. I just have a feeling about that. Hey, domeless now Sean's one of I predicted what do I know?

Dan (00:24:44.000)

Boy? Well, I mean, if you really want to break down some of these predictions, do we want to ask that question? Um, so yeah, I think I think maybe that's probably true. If I were Tucker, I wouldn't wanna have a fucking boss. At this point. I hear.

Jordan (00:24:57.000)

bajillion air why would you ever ever work for anyone ever again. Right? The difficulty

Dan (00:25:03.000)

there though is you start your own operation and you become so much more on the hook for things there. And there's just logistical difficulties that like, I think that probably the headache of it, someone in his position wouldn't want the cost out of pocket to start your own operation in the way that Alex or someone like, Tucker's ego would demand. Yeah, that's a lot of money on the table. You know, it's

Jordan (00:25:30.000)

so crazy to me, because I'm just thinking like, holy shit. If I'm Tucker, I can start a podcast tomorrow, get a million downloads and have a comfortable, like I just leave all the money or give all the money to other people. That would be more than enough money for me. I don't understand how to be rich dad, that's this is maybe the bigger problem. That

Dan (00:25:49.000)

is that is an issue. Yeah. I mean, Tucker could just do me uneasy, or you could join the pillow man.

Jordan (00:25:55.000)

Fun.

Dan (00:25:57.000)

I think that would be fun, right? Sure. So Carter's got to feel great that Alex is sitting in his studio and talking about how great but Alex touches on the whirlwind that is going on in Crowder's life, okay, and it turns out all that COINTELPRO. Okay, that makes sense.

Alex Jones (00:26:17.000)

So those little actions build monumental collective efforts. And we have to start using that power right now. And that means in the information war, you've got to share the links, share the videos, take the clips you think are most important and post them on Tik Tok. post them on Instagram, post them on Twitter, post them on Facebook, post them on YouTube, and also post them on all the quote new sites like rumble, like Gab, like them any other sites that are out there that are exploding in size. And that's why they're not just going after me You're not just trying to Carlson it's why they're coming after Steven Crowder and I happen to know the inside baseball on that I'm not gonna reveal it. I'm gonna ask not to on that as well. But let me just say this when push comes to shove, and it's come to shove, Steven Crowder will be completely vindicated in triplicate, with a royal flush with what's going on because the same COINTELPRO dirty tactics that they use against Martin Luther King haven't used it as Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, and many, many other people like Roger Stone, we will all those people have we live this week. We know how they operate. We know what they do. These are intelligence agencies.

Dan (00:27:30.000)

All those people they have in common. They're like Martin Luther King.

Jordan (00:27:33.000)

I mean, okay. I would say this. I would say this. If you were to put that on the LSAT, I do not think that you would get the same answer. As Alex is insisting

Dan (00:27:45.000)

on Alex Tucker. Router, Roger Stone. scam.

Jordan (00:27:52.000)

No, no, no, no, no civil rights leaders.

Dan (00:27:54.000)

Okay. That's that grouping? Yeah. Oh, yeah. COINTELPRO. Yeah, clearly COINTELPRO him being addicted his wife. Okay. Also, there was a weird thing. I didn't bring this up because it was why it's ways back. But that first video that he did, where he discussed how like he was being extorted about his his divorce. Crowder made at least a couple mentions of how much it bothered him that his wife could just decide that she wanted to get divorced. And that was enough. Right? Right. He was lamenting that he wasn't able to, like keep her shares fully marry him. He's a weird, dude. I mean, COINTELPRO

Jordan (00:28:39.000)

you know, here's the problem with that. All right. Yeah, that is just remembering a time only 70 years ago. That's not That's not like, Oh, what an absurd thought this man had no the law of the United States for most of its entire existence, you know, so So I understand people thinking that that's ridiculous. It is though, but at the same time, it's ridiculous. But I have a memory. Right, right. That's more what I mean. Not like that. It's an unreasonable stupid.

Dan (00:29:06.000)

He the same thing could be said if he was like, I'm pissed that she can get a credit card and her name totally pissed that she can have a job without my consent. 100% like 100% It's, it's bizarre, though. It's bizarre to hear, especially from someone who's like, I don't know, he's younger than me. I know.

Jordan (00:29:25.000)

It's not far back enough. It would be like him being like, oh, man, I'm so mad women have the right to vote and you're like, man, we've settled that that's gone. That's way too far back. We're not going back from there. You know, like he shouldn't be like, Oh, but no

Dan (00:29:38.000)

fault divorce. That's all certainly that's a live issue. So Alex gets back to talking about the Russia business.

Alex Jones (00:29:50.000)

I've got a lot of huge news here that I mentioned in the first big segment, but let's go ahead and drill into it right now. We'll show you some video that for TV viewers, but this is a big deal you have Zielinski in the last six months, launching hundreds of drone assaults directed by NATO with the NATO intelligence, hundreds of miles into Russia and into Moscow itself. Now, okay. In the early morning hours today, in Russia, the living quarters of Vladimir Putin was attacked by two drones. Two of them, both were shot down. Now, obviously, if the Russians bombed the Capitol Building in Kyiv, it would be called a war crime. They've not been hitting main civilian targets reportedly on purpose. I'm not a Russian apologist. That's a fact. They've they've us why they all walk around out in the open in the main cities, few missiles of non Australian, they mainly been hitting black military targets and in finance charge, like power stations and factories.

Dan (00:30:50.000)

This just is not true. Over the course of the past 14 months or so of the War, Russia has attacked civilian targets on numerous occasions. They've bombed hospitals, they've repeatedly shelled the city of Kharkiv. They've targeted schools, shopping malls, apartment buildings, and even multiple humanitarian corridors that were established to allow civilians to flee dangerous areas. By saying the things he's saying Alex is 100% Being a Russia apologist he does. He doesn't want people to think that he is and he knows that once the fog of war clears. He doesn't want people to think that he was a Putin backer, but that's exactly what he is. It's not going to change. He's just also a coward who's unwilling to own his own positions. Also, just because Alex is a complete idiot, in October of last year, Russia carried out multiple missile attacks on Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine. Yeah, among other things, the missiles hit a playground and a university. It's a convenient excuse to say that you were targeting some kind of a legitimate military site whenever you actually hit an apartment building and kill a ton of civilians. But when that starts to become a pattern, the excuse seems a little weak. And before anybody gets any ideas in my head, feel the same way about our drone program? Yeah,

Jordan (00:31:59.000)

absolutely. Oh, no, no, we

Dan (00:32:01.000)

don't guilty of this. We

Jordan (00:32:02.000)

don't get to look over at that and be like, Oh, that drone program right now.

Dan (00:32:06.000)

And to the extent that there may be an errant missile that hits an apartment building, you're still responsible for that. Hopefully,

Jordan (00:32:14.000)

that's how it goes. That's how it works.

Dan (00:32:15.000)

You don't get a whoopsie I meant to hit something else. It's you should be held responsible for the thing that was done, not the thing you meant to do. Right? Right. When it comes to blowing things up

Jordan (00:32:25.000)

as a clown. If I were to throw a pie at you and hit the wrong person, that's That's unfortunate. We can have a conversation and we'll all forgive each other. Wow, if that was a missile bid is ruined, the bid is ruined. Well, it might be improved depends on whether or not the Harlem Globetrotters are nearby. But a missile changes things a missile escalates the problem

Dan (00:32:48.000)

It does, yeah, it does. Yeah. And if you can't, like be relied on to have the accuracy that would be required to hit these targets that are near civilian targets. You should not be using those. Those systems. It's not a big jump, right? Yeah. So anyway, Alex is just full of shit and lying. And also,

Jordan (00:33:07.000)

you can't be mad at somebody in a war if they start attacking your house. You can't. You just can't. You can't. I mean, you can't it's not like a Russian soldier can be in there and Ukraine and be like, Ah, man, these people are fighting back. That's rude. That's not fair.

Dan (00:33:26.000)

Someone who supported Russia would not see it as egregious to attack the Capitol Building in Ukraine. Right? And vice versa. Exactly. And Alex and his buddy stored the capital on what are we doing somebody should

Jordan (00:33:42.000)

any of us doing? Why are we talking? So?

Dan (00:33:45.000)

Look, they never tried to kill Zelensky though.

Alex Jones (00:33:48.000)

Reportedly, a lot of times, sleeps on his train at night drives around different parts of Russia and armored train, because of justice issue. There's tunnels under the Kremlin to other areas, and put reportedly sleeps underground. Kind of like US presidents to sleep underground. There's a bunker under the lighthouse. There's an underground train system is submitted to is classified with orders. It goes all the way out to Colorado. A lot of underground digging into a big issue here as this is a nuclear war provocation to try to kill the head of state something that Putin hasn't even done openly in Ukraine.

Jordan (00:34:30.000)

Wait openly. That's a big qualifier. That's a huge qualifier. Huge.

Unknown Speaker (00:34:34.000)

That's a very large qualifier.

Dan (00:34:37.000)

Yeah, there have been many assassination attempts on Zelinsky. During the war, groups of Chechen mercenaries and members of the Wagner group have been enlisted to take on plots to kill Zelinsky. And they've just failed. If you accept the premise that this drone was an assassination attempt on Putin, which is a dubious assumption to begin with. Yeah, then it comes after repeated plots to kills Alinsky. Alex denies these things happen. because he's a Putin apologist, and he fully supports him in his war against Ukraine, but he doesn't want to have to deal with the inconvenient fact that make this position harder to defend. Yeah. And so he just acts like they didn't happen. It's not real.

Jordan (00:35:11.000)

I mean, bad. I just, I don't like that. I just don't like it's not great. You should if you want to apologize, you should have to apologize for the real shit that happened and just acknowledge it. And then we can move from there. If you just deny it happened, then fuck off. I can't even live with

Dan (00:35:26.000)

you. Yeah, it's it does make arguing meaningful. Yeah. So Steven shows up. The crowd, man. Oh, God, the crowd source. All right, crowd. I'll come up with something. Yeah, you'll get it. Um, but yeah, so Alex decides, Okay, I've been talking about Tucker in Stevens studio wanted to talk about him today. Steven, make it

Jordan (00:35:47.000)

useless for

Alex Jones (00:35:48.000)

people with all this big news, the open borders in a title 42. The bank collapse? All the transgender call it been crazy. I think what you bring up on here is most central. This is a spiritual battle. Good versus evil. I can tell you that I was told by sources very close to Tucker that yeah, the main thing was him becoming Christian, and really preaching it to people. And that that really upset Rupert Murdoch. And so what is it about the name of Jesus? What is it about rodecaster system, somebody brought this up today? I think it's really timeless, even a better Christian than me. But I know your pastoral history. Nobody's perfect. You've been very steadfast in your belief, since you were very, very young. And that's really what what's guided you. So talking about your family?

Steven Crowder (00:36:28.000)

I think you actually brought it up today, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that

Dan (00:36:31.000)

was you, Alex, you brought that yeah, that was on you. So this is the weakest reason I can imagine to propose where why Tucker got fired. It's a good way to amplify and play into the very addictive feelings of persecution that Alex his audience has about their religious beliefs, though. Love it, so I understand why he's doing it. It told us that. Yeah. Also, listen to this shit. Yeah, I didn't realize this until I dug around a little bit. Rupert Murdoch was supposedly pissed that Tucker was becoming more Christian. Right. Sure. But Alex, and you and me might be surprised to learn that Murdoch's company, News Corp owns a Christian media entity called Zondervan, which owns the rights to the NIV version of the Bible. I'm sorry, what? They own the commercial rights to do international version. Hold

Jordan (00:37:13.000)

on. So Rupert Murdoch literally owns the Bible, one

Dan (00:37:17.000)

version of it,

Jordan (00:37:18.000)

he owns a version of the Bible. I don't think we should be allowed to. Humanity needs to step back for a while. I'm not sure

Dan (00:37:25.000)

exactly what that means in practice, like, if you can't publish an NIV by me without getting permission, does

Jordan (00:37:33.000)

that mean they get to edit the Bible? And if that's the case, I think we should really

Dan (00:37:38.000)

zoom they might have to call it out. I doubt they do. So they also published Rick Warren's bestseller The Purpose Driven Life among other books. My grandmother probably sent me as a birthday gift. Yeah, so like a Rupert Murdoch's not bad about Christians. Look at the On Air talent of Fox News. I know pretty sure almost all of them have talked about their Christianity at some point. But he's just nonsense.

Jordan (00:38:01.000)

It's heartening for me to go back to my roots and see Christians really arguing about nonsense at each other. That's, that's nice, I guess. Yeah. It feels it feels like home.

Dan (00:38:09.000)

For me, it's exhausting in a way that I'm true.

Jordan (00:38:14.000)

I'll see you guys true. Yeah, go Oh, no, you deal with it yourself.

Dan (00:38:17.000)

So Steven talks a little bit about the intersection of Christianity and ethics. I think this is stupid. Okay.

Steven Crowder (00:38:26.000)

I think that was incredibly effective. By the way it was, we were sitting on like, oh, my gosh, isn't Alex Jones altar call? It's not the second half of the same case in comparison, because people aren't he was a pastor beforehand. So I thought, Man, I really see the reincarnation. But you know what? I don't really I haven't talked about it much. But he the shows on Fridays, like with Gerald because God has actually studied this and actually to teach courses. He's a theologian. Yeah, he really knows it well. And of course, there's always sort of this infighting as far as what qualifies a theologian. I mean, Jesus never went to seminary. But I do think, look, there is truth that comes down to truth, right? I think both you and I are obsessed with truth. And I don't think there's any greater truth than the fact that God created the world and Jesus Christ as as you know, the one and only Son, He sent His Son for all of us, and there's no way to be redeemed outside of that. And I understand that there are a lot of atheists who watch a lot of libertarians who now are becoming sympathetic toward the idea because they see that if there are no Judeo Christian principles, right, Western civilization ceases to be this idea of if I don't, if I don't need a God, if you need a God to tell you how to kill, then you must be a horrible person I and I always go with those people say, well, it's like, okay, not all societies agree that you shouldn't kill or certainly the circumstances surrounding killing what, let's go further theft. That's fine. For example, a lot of Native American tribes didn't have a concept, but I'm sorry, what?

Jordan (00:39:41.000)

I'm sorry. Hold on one sec. About I'm sorry, what tree?

Steven Crowder (00:39:43.000)

What about flattening of philandering? What about the idea of mercy? This was only a value because of modern Christian and so I think we see in practice, and unfortunately, a lot of people don't necessarily finish connecting those dots.

Dan (00:39:54.000)

Small point people don't make jokes about Alex being Sam Kinison. That's Bill Hicks. Yeah. Next up yep. To the larger point of what Steven saying This is stupid. He lists a few things that are apparently from Kristen Doom or Christianity the makeup essential parts of western ethics. I want to examine these a little closer. Okay. The first is killing Sure. Other cultures have had prohibitions on killing Christianity now they love it. What societies does Stephen I have in mind that encourage random killing?

Jordan (00:40:21.000)

Oh, the ones? Oh, boy, I bet they're probably from a different continent, probably. I

Dan (00:40:27.000)

mean, you know, there can be something said for like ritualistic killings in some cultures that maybe he's taking issue with whatever, or like the king being able to have the monopoly over the control of force. Boy, I feel like in our society,

Jordan (00:40:44.000)

I'm gonna throw this out there. Maybe Maybe all the Crusades and the inquisitions and all that stuff that might be included in what Christianity is, but they didn't want to do that. Yeah. It seems like they didn't want to include that. But they also didn't want to do the Crusades. Oh, no, I made me do it. I feel to the wall. Okay. All right.

Dan (00:41:05.000)

The second is theft. And then Stevens example that he brings up is unspecified, Native American tribes who are cool with that because they didn't have a concept of personal property. Here's where Stephen makes a huge error in his thinking. If these cultures had no concept of personal property, then there is no theft. It's not that they were okay with theft. It's that what Stephen wants to call theft is not theft. His belief in personal property in and of itself creates the existence of theft, which he's decided is wrong and he may be justifies that with the Bible. Steven is getting this backwards by looking down on this culture for being okay with theft when what they're really doing is looking at ownership through a different lens than him and he doesn't care to understand that or present it with any meaningful accuracy.

Jordan (00:41:50.000)

Yeah, it is. It is essentially the exact same thing, idiot white people believed 500 years ago.

Dan (00:41:57.000)

The third thing is adultery. I think that Western culture is full of adultery, and philandering, particularly among people who claim Christian values are the basis of their lives, what's

Jordan (00:42:06.000)

named one church leader,

Dan (00:42:09.000)

I can't Okay, there's no law in the United States against adultery or sleeping around. So I have no idea what Stephens actually even talking about. Considering that he's talking to Alex Jones, the guy who claims he slept with 150 women before the age of 18. Considering that he's in the fact in the middle of a particularly nasty public divorce right now. I don't really understand the point that he's trying to illustrate here with the adultery and plan. Anti philandering is the book Cornerstone basis that's unique to Chris and I believe

Jordan (00:42:39.000)

what he's talking about more as we need to stone people in public again, because Western culture does not encourage killing

Dan (00:42:48.000)

enough. Exactly right. The fourth is mercy. Does Steven think that mercy is a concept that only exists in Christian cultures? Yep. There are many examples of Buddhist ideas around mercy and compassion and the Muslim tale. The conference of birds from the 1100s gave us a pretty resonant story that's been immortalized in art like the painting a ruffian spares the life of a poor man. Sure, none of these ideas or values only exists because of Christendom. And none of them are really actually generally practiced by the sort of Christians that Alex and Stephen represent. The actual things Stephen is saying are incoherent and meaningless, but behind all of it is the real point that he wants to drive home, namely that we should live in a Christian theocracy because a system based on anything else is inferior, right? It can't possibly have all these wonderful things that that we rely on for the West. Yeah, you

Jordan (00:43:39.000)

know, I go back and I think of the very first you know, novel, what we what we ascribe as the first novel, you know, that Romance of the Three Kingdoms. No mercy in it. Non LuBu didn't show any mercy. No mercy for anyone. LuBu was a dude fuck people up. Yep.

Dan (00:43:57.000)

Plenty of adultery. Was LuBu fucking around was LuBu philandering. I

Jordan (00:44:02.000)

think they all were okay. I mean, you can't be a warlord and not. You're just on the road all the time. True. It's more of a travel thing.

Dan (00:44:12.000)

Getting your RV.

Jordan (00:44:13.000)

That's my that's my. Yep. That's what I got for the history,

Dan (00:44:17.000)

man. So Steve, Steven and Alex get back to talking about Tucker Carlson? Because of course they're obsessed. Sure. And so they start talking about these leaks that have happened. Have you read these? Some of these tweets?

Jordan (00:44:30.000)

I've read some? Some of the text. Yeah, I've read some of them. He's a real asshole.

Dan (00:44:34.000)

The one about that's not how white people fight. I have read that one. Yeah, because they're gonna talk about that and how it's not that bad. Okay.

Steven Crowder (00:44:42.000)

A lot of Christians are afraid they're gonna Oh, any mistakes I've ever made is going to come back and people say you're not a Christian because everyone else's sin is worse than your own. Right. It's so easy to say. I can't believe that Tucker said that. And frankly, none of it was even that bad. I'm sure there will be worse things. That's what they do. They drip this out. But people don't want to examine what it is that they do. You want to tell me that you've never just said something as bad as Tucker Carlson and Tex, the worst thing he said was, you know, this isn't the way that white people fight meaning gang up. Look, of course not all black people that we discuss Worldstar Hip Hop, it exists for retiring white, white, the whitest

Jordan (00:45:15.000)

Worldstar just came in.

Dan (00:45:18.000)

Yeah. And then they transition to how Steven has the whitest dog. Yeah, kind of interesting timing to bring that superlative up. World, sir,

Jordan (00:45:28.000)

this is when you just miss Def Jam, Def Jam would have had a great time with this. How do white people fight? I don't know. But they smell like macaroni and cheese. We can do this all day.

Dan (00:45:39.000)

This is a little bit much this.

Jordan (00:45:44.000)

Oh, my God.

Dan (00:45:45.000)

I think that he's missing a little bit of the meaning of what Tucker was saying?

Jordan (00:45:53.000)

I think so. I think maybe he's willfully misinterpreting the meaning of what Tucker was trying to point out.

Dan (00:45:59.000)

He was he was indicating in some ways a belief that there is a racial superiority. Yeah, in terms of being more dignified or just based on race, you have a higher standard of being you know, like

Jordan (00:46:16.000)

it is Worldstar is a nice thing. Even now, because it is one of those quick tests. It's almost like a it's almost like a quick little litmus test. Like, how do you feel about Worldstar? Oh, now you're right. Ah, I'm out of here. I know. You

Dan (00:46:30.000)

were like, they were like, one on one fights in that. Oh, no. There were white people who fought Oh,

Jordan (00:46:35.000)

no, that's what I'm saying. Worldstar was just a bunch of shit. It's just a bunch of shit. Not if you go to Worldstar and you're not a racist. You'll be like, Oh, look at all this shit.

Dan (00:46:45.000)

Yeah, maybe the only times that it penetrates into like Alex or Stephens world is when some racist post video from there in order to make a point that black people are out trying to attack White people. Yep, yep. And so maybe that is why it leaves culturally in that part of their brain. Yeah, that would make sense. So Stephen, shits on abortion a little bit here. And then Japan takes a swipe at Japan gotta get them.

Steven Crowder (00:47:13.000)

abortion. I don't know who described this way. It is sacrificed at the altar of self. Sure. It's actual human sacrifice. People want to say zygote embryo Where does okay. But at the point where you look at the abort abortion policies in California, in Colorado, in Virginia. No one denies that you're ending a life. And the only reason that when you look at a very small percentage of incest or rape, the vast majority are because someone doesn't want to raise the baby.

Alex Jones (00:47:35.000)

Notice now the left doesn't say it's just a blob of flesh. They said hell yeah. kill that kid. Yeah, they have t shirts. Yeah, bragging about it. Yeah, no, it's about their selfishness. I'm in charge through that little

Steven Crowder (00:47:44.000)

and then they wonder why 40 something percent of young men don't want to get married. This is one thing. Culturally, okay. It's an issue that can't be fixed. Right? It's 40 something percent and the number in front of you. But you know the number I'm sure I mean, you have this crazy memory where you can go by rote it makes it makes it fix it by forcing

Jordan (00:48:00.000)

him that's that's the way I would describe it to come from one

Alex Jones (00:48:02.000)

50% Japan,

Steven Crowder (00:48:04.000)

it's like 70 in Japan is very high. Yeah. And they have used panty vending machines. So they have a lot of problems. A lot of problems also in Japan. It's also weird, you know, to sleep with your wife and your house because it's considered like a brother sister relationship. So this kind of people think sexual repression comes from Christianity, which couldn't be further from the truth if you've read Songs of Solomon and refers to lady's breasts as a melons where I actually couldn't go to the produce aisle. So there you go. I was a kid.

Dan (00:48:28.000)

On the fuck those melons. Yeah, Stephen. Weird. Yeah, yep, yep. Yep. Yeah, I think some of the reluctance to get married. Some of it may be just shifting cultural beliefs around relationships, some of that and then some of it might also be materially based in like, no one can afford a home. Definitely there. Yeah. So some of that it also just having to work more to stay afloat. I think a lot of people might not be able to prioritize a, you know, committed relationship in the same way people have the time, or the emotional space to in the past. Yeah. Be a part of it.

Jordan (00:49:06.000)

I appreciate that. The fabric of society breaking down is not included in in any of these, like large pronouncements about the choices that everyone's making. It's interesting

Dan (00:49:18.000)

how everything is a grand conspiracy theory and everything is connected. And now we're talking about you know,

Jordan (00:49:24.000)

that it's these these young boys are afraid of abortion, right. Obviously, yeah, the

Dan (00:49:28.000)

connections are errant. Yeah. This stuff makes Japanese couples have different sleeping styles from each other, even some sleeping the same bed others don't for a number of reasons. Some of the ones that I saw discussed, that people bring up are the different work schedules. Sure. Not wanting to wake each other up. Another reason is in Japan, a mother will traditionally sleep with an infant child as it's growing up. And so that is one reason. Some of the marriages are probably not full of love, but that's Certainly drove a bunch of them here. I don't know if it's different.

Jordan (00:50:04.000)

I mean, ask your grandparents. Did they sleep in the same bed? No, most likely they slept in two small twin beds.

Dan (00:50:10.000)

It's possible. There's a phenomenon in Japan of couples staying together despite their marriage essentially being over because of some stigma and societal taboos around divorce chair, particularly if you have children, you know that you don't want them to be the child of divorced parents. There is some of that culturally, but I don't think that that's necessarily everybody. But what Steven saying is just nonsense. Yeah, also plenty of American couples even today, sleep separately. There was a New York Times survey just in February that came out. And I would like you to guess what percentage of American couples sleep separately according to that survey. I'm gonna go with 35 A little lower 20% 20%. So one in five. Yeah. That's pretty like If Stephen wants to talk about you know, like some other culture being weird because sleep separately 20% of American couples do.

Jordan (00:51:04.000)

It even makes sense. As far as a conversation about it goes like what Oh, sleep separately. My wife and I sleep in the same bed. But one of us sometimes falls asleep on the couch. Like it happens all the time. And

Dan (00:51:15.000)

I had somebody who has some like relatively screwy sleep issues. Totally. I think I would much prefer to sleep.

Jordan (00:51:25.000)

No, no, totally and atomics in

Dan (00:51:27.000)

the past and relationships I've often put up with, or, you know, just sort of got through it. But yeah, ideally, I think if I were with somebody and it was a permanent, or like, Well, it'd be like, I'm gonna I gotta

Jordan (00:51:42.000)

think about it. I mean, half the time. It's just because a heat some person is too hot. That can happen. It's like, Listen, I love you more than life itself. But when we sleep together, you are a furnace. Yeah. How many sleep on the floor? Like that's how hot you are? Yeah, I run hot. Yeah, that happens. Yeah. What are you gonna do?

Dan (00:51:59.000)

So anyway? Alex gets to talking about Old Testament laws. Sure.

Jordan (00:52:05.000)

Why stop? Don't do it. Well.

Steven Crowder (00:52:09.000)

Okay. The Bible is prescriptive in a lot of ways. And it is

Alex Jones (00:52:13.000)

like don't eat shellfish and eat and 20 times you probably get sick. You have got to like read them again. I don't

Steven Crowder (00:52:19.000)

know if that's necessarily the best example. But sure, um, I

Alex Jones (00:52:21.000)

think the shrimp Yeah, but the Old Testaments? Levitical law, right. And back. Well, they couldn't testify or No, yeah, it was like, you know, hey, don't eat this. See a pig that carrying all these diseases? We got ticks all over? They say we're writing a law against that. Right, exactly.

Steven Crowder (00:52:38.000)

And they talked about some of the horrible practices back then. I mean, you think about it, they wouldn't have even had a chip in their brain for like, like a Lizzo. was like, I don't do tattoos because these people are doing them. And I'm talking about witchcraft, not tattoos, as we know that. Well, I

Alex Jones (00:52:50.000)

mean, I love the alternative that really apply today. And all makes sense. Don't mix the seed. People to other people's bodily fluids in your body. Don't don't. I mean, it's, it's all really common sense stuff.

Dan (00:53:01.000)

I don't really know what to make of any of this, quite frankly. I was just I was a little confused. But it is interesting that Alex can take something from the Bible and then contextualize it as like, this was something because of the time yeah, this was something that was a law that was, you know, in the Bible, because of concerns of the time, right. I find that surprising. That I don't feel like that's how he generally relates to the Bible. Well,

Jordan (00:53:33.000)

I mean, if you were going to be a biblical literalist, the fundament of that would be that the book itself is the revelation of the words of God specifically, and that he himself wrote it,

Dan (00:53:46.000)

he does take, you know, he does lean in that direction.

Jordan (00:53:49.000)

So that means that he's reconciling God's Holy Word with somebody who's also like, Hey, listen, we got to stop getting sick on the shellfish.

Dan (00:53:58.000)

But yeah, that that disconnect is something that I find really strange, I'm not sure where he is between, like a sort of a contextual list and a literalist. Yeah, you know, it's very strange

Jordan (00:54:11.000)

also aren't there is no sense there's more than one law in Leviticus about a woman punching you in the balls. If I remember correctly, there are at least to some I actually maybe one involves grabbing the balls. There's

Dan (00:54:24.000)

some rules about menstruation. Yeah, a little bit,

Jordan (00:54:28.000)

some some choppy off a couple of little head choppy coffee.

Dan (00:54:32.000)

So Alex is talking about this. This conversation that he and Steven are having brings up a bit about the Judeo Christian roots of our ethics and all of this show. Sure. And he gets a little bit worked up because a lot of people apparently around him say it's not Judeo Christian.

Jordan (00:54:53.000)

Oh, oh, no,

Dan (00:54:55.000)

I think Alex is that I would say this is a you pro. Are we gonna go with Abraham? religions. Yeah. But this is a problem for Alex because of who he's talking to. Yeah, they don't like Jewish people. Oh

Jordan (00:55:06.000)

my god. And you know,

Alex Jones (00:55:08.000)

and I see some of the real racists out there that think everything's a Jewish conspiracy when you know when it's not. They literally go it's not Judeo Christian. Well, yeah, it is Judeo Christian because it's Abraham, and all three of the monotheistic things come out of Abraham and the Jews. So just sorry. It's not like I'm worshiping Jews here. I've got big problems with leftist Jews, the ADL and what they do, but I don't blame Jews for that. I'm sorry. So their secular humanist, secular humanists have taken over Judaism,

Unknown Speaker (00:55:35.000)

who listens to radio at night. Law enforcement, and many other hard working people just like you,

Dan (00:55:43.000)

I was a little bit taken aback by this. This sharp commercial very, very

Jordan (00:55:48.000)

serious cut.

Dan (00:55:50.000)

Yeah. So yeah. First of all, I know that we've heard Alex bring this up before there's the the idea that Jews aren't Jews, god of secular humanists has taken over and are calling themselves Jews. That's, that's just another anti semitic formulation. But this I do find very bizarre that Alex doesn't quite understand that these conversations are self selected by who he's hanging out with. These are your friends. Yeah. Who want to take the Judeo out of Judeo Christian? Yeah, these are your buddy.

Jordan (00:56:27.000)

Yeah. Nobody else is like, Oh,

Dan (00:56:31.000)

I can't imagine ever having that conversation. Nope. I can't imagine how that would come up. I can't imagine what I would do if a friend of mine was

Jordan (00:56:39.000)

let's get rid of the Judeo why. Why do you think if you've been thinking this, why do you think why do you

Dan (00:56:46.000)

think did I miss something about you? That was really maybe you did? Maybe you didn't?

Jordan (00:56:51.000)

Maybe we'll stop this conversation and pretend it never happened. You get out. I'll talk to my other friends about getting rid of Judeo haven't actually no, I'm not. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. We can still be friends. I gotta go. Okay.

Dan (00:57:02.000)

So that cut pretty quick. Yes, it did. And so I went and I found the non radio version. Okay, listen to the commercial break. And it's not really that interesting. Alex just kind of repeats the same point. Like all of these people, say, get the Judeo out. I think you already already made that point. What have you. Then they start talking a little bit about Islam. And, boy, this isn't this isn't great. So Stephens talking about the, the how you're not supposed to draw Muhammad? Sure. And then they, man, it's worse. I think maybe this is worse than drawing Muhammad.

Jordan (00:57:44.000)

I appreciate that Steven is going out of his way to insult so many cultures that he knows literally nothing about. Oh, man.

Dan (00:57:53.000)

Yeah, this is bad.

Steven Crowder (00:57:55.000)

So it says Well, every we believe in the Bible, except not everything else. For example, in Islam, this was one thing we talked about recently, where they get really mad, for example, if you draw mob and I'm not saying you just go out and troll and draw Muhammad, but what I am saying is, hold on that's more offensive than a religion that says Jesus is not exactly who he claimed he was right. And Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but that he didn't die that the body was replaced. Well, that's sacrilegious to Christians, certainly more so than drawing a crowd.

Alex Jones (00:58:20.000)

We know what Muhammad did. He was literally life hacking muzzles, but it's true. He was illiterate. And he lived there at the crossroads at Mecca. Well, obviously going after the trains, the camel trains, you know, that came through from the east going west. And he would rob the caravans. And he just smartly said, I'll control people. And I'll take a cosmology of the dominant religions of Judaism and Christianity, and I'll adopt that em on religion. And within a generation after his death, they control the whole middle. He said,

Steven Crowder (00:58:50.000)

a pinch of Zoroastrianism, and I get to have six year old wife.

Alex Jones (00:58:54.000)

He, I think she was she was nine. She was

Steven Crowder (00:58:58.000)

six, she was arguably nine when he consummated. Yeah, that's right, which I still think is, you know, different, I think is a little weird.

Jordan (00:59:05.000)

That's not what's, why is that the thing that you have the least amount of problem with?

Dan (00:59:11.000)

I think it's because they talk about that all the time. Yeah. And so maybe it's just like, we don't need to do this bid. Again. That's true. It's pretty. It's a pretty standard Muhammad bid for them. Yeah, I don't know, man. I think I think one of the differences between having a belief that someone else disagrees with and, you know, drawing Muhammad to anger Muslims. Yeah. There's a difference between holding a belief and doing an act. You know what I mean?

Jordan (00:59:40.000)

I mean, there's, there's even more simply a situation where you can't tell another religion that they're more offensive to you than you are to them. That's just not how a perspective works. Sure. Yeah. But I mean, from their perspective, your religion is real, so you can't be offended, right but in the same you know,

Dan (01:00:00.000)

that's that's that's kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah, to a certain extent is if a member of religion a privately believes that the figurehead of your religion isn't the Son of God. Yeah, that is just a belief that they have if you do something that is, you know, something that is sacrilegious to them for specifically, I guess, the

Jordan (01:00:25.000)

malicious purpose. Yeah, yes. That's very different. Yeah. It's almost like it would go against the tendons of some sort of book that you just talked about having laws that base your entire ethics on? Yeah, it's

Dan (01:00:39.000)

it's strange, weird, Alex, this telling of Islam is not good.

Jordan (01:00:46.000)

Well, so what happened is Mohammed got together his band, alright, he wore a green hat. And he had a little feather in his cap. All right. And so whenever the rich kings in the like, would get on their trains, right, he would get on his carriage wagon with his band of merry men. They would rob the rich people and then start a religion.

Dan (01:01:11.000)

I think Alex's thinking of the song highway man, it could be that first verse could be Nelson's verse. But then, at the end of it, Willie Nelson starts a religion, right? I find it very difficult to imagine. If you're Alex, and you believe that this is the history of Islam, then I find it very difficult to imagine that you could ever really respect somebody who believes that faith Yeah, seems like it's

Jordan (01:01:35.000)

off the table. Yeah. If you're if your first argument is sure, but your prophet, he was just a highway man. Yeah.

Dan (01:01:42.000)

And created your religion for the sake of pedophilia control over people. Yeah. And then yeah, Stephen Crowder's impression there was probably a bit disrespecting, anyway,

Jordan (01:01:54.000)

let's say didn't drawn. That's true. Yeah,

Dan (01:01:56.000)

I think that's worse though.

Jordan (01:01:59.000)

I definitely believe that. But you know what, you can't tell a religion what's more or less offensive to them?

Dan (01:02:03.000)

It's a fair point. Yep. So they get into talking about energy. Why? Because, okay.

Alex Jones (01:02:09.000)

California has banned all new construction of lawnmowers, golf carts, leaf blowers. Now it's diesel trucks were out of diesel years, the UN's doing, Jeremy to turn off his last nuclear power plants. I mean, first is just getting coal plants. Now they're trying to burn gas power plants could totally clean. We're having our

Steven Crowder (01:02:28.000)

energy cut off. I'm gonna ask you two questions. How many carbon emissions come from nuclear power plants? Just wanna make sure what? 00 Okay, yeah, that's correct. And you just talked about California? Can you still infect somebody knowingly, when they send a load of HIV? I just wanna make sure that that is. Okay. All right. I'm just a little murky on the rulebook. So, all right, no nuclear power with no carbon emissions we can use. But hey, do you know what you sleep with me at some techno Viking festival hits a roll of dice California.

Alex Jones (01:02:54.000)

And it gets worse.

Dan (01:02:55.000)

How is that related? I mean, it's a fun game that Stephens trying to play, but it means nothing. Yeah, we're just talking about a nuclear plant in Germany, not in California, that even if it were in California, what would it have to do with laws about HIV?

Jordan (01:03:09.000)

I mean, what do you say to that other than that's not a sincere argument, sir. Stop.

Dan (01:03:12.000)

No, that's just a free association. Yeah, of like, six year old talking totally, totally does. That was a law in California in 2017, Jesus Christ, but like, we've been over it a bunch. And the reason that California made it not a felony to expose someone to HIV is because the law didn't work to begin with, and it was counterproductive. In order to be prosecuted for knowingly exposing someone to HIV, you'd need to know you had it, which disincentivizes people to get tested and know their status. As it stands now, even after the law, it's still a misdemeanor in California to knowingly infect someone with HIV intentionally as is the case with knowingly and intentionally infecting someone with any other virus. Yeah, the other the reason?

Jordan (01:03:55.000)

It's almost like if you pick HIV, you're specifically pointing out one group of people that the law is supposed to apply to more or less, right, yeah.

Dan (01:04:05.000)

But also, now, there are also a lot of interventions and yes, you know, maybe maybe not cures, but treatments, management, that can be done with HIV and AIDS. And like, that's come a long way. And so I don't know, it seems there's a shithead.

Jordan (01:04:24.000)

I mean, I don't I, again, it can't be a sincere argument. If it's 40 years ago, you're one of the people laughing at HIV. I can't

Dan (01:04:33.000)

I honestly think that Steven might laugh.

Jordan (01:04:36.000)

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You can't you cannot do that. Yeah, unacceptable.

Dan (01:04:40.000)

So this, this interview actually is fairly boring. There is not a whole lot going on, as evidenced by this.

Steven Crowder (01:04:49.000)

Look, I've used Fox nation. I don't even know how to make it work. It's just not very good. That's I think it's that simple. It's just not very good. When I was at Fox News, I was at Fox News for four and a half years. They thought YouTube was a Santa. Yeah. then I would applaud them. No, I

Alex Jones (01:05:01.000)

agree. I mean nothing against Roger Ailes but that guy was a dinosaur. Yes. And and and yeah, but he did like the ladies. He did love him. What

Steven Crowder (01:05:10.000)

do we do ladies? Yeah, that guy that guy got around but how else are you gonna do it when you look like you look like Orson Welles or you look like our, you know, Hitchcock and relish show? Yeah, well no, no, no come on. You do not sell yourself short. I'm

Alex Jones (01:05:21.000)

a little Orson Welles these days. Roger

Steven Crowder (01:05:23.000)

Ailes was a weird it was a whole odd shape like he would he was the shape of any cup. You put him in a pair. Yeah. Yeah. Like the pit like the planters peanuts guy only without like, reminisce a little bit. A little bit of grimace. And you know, I always thought it was weird that the Hamburglar kept reappearing on those. He's a thief and he's on camera. Catch him put them in a lineup for crying out loud.

Jordan (01:05:46.000)

What the fuck is going on? He

Alex Jones (01:05:47.000)

arrested

Steven Crowder (01:05:50.000)

recidivism Ronald,

Dan (01:05:51.000)

is he trying to work in a base this

Jordan (01:05:53.000)

is he do people think he's funny thing that I'm supposed to think from that.

Dan (01:05:58.000)

I guess so. Yeah, man. He did his hamburger.

Jordan (01:06:00.000)

He's like a riff guy. And then he can come in with bids.

Dan (01:06:04.000)

Roger Ailes looks like grimace. Hey, man. Why didn't they block you lock up the Hamburglar? Are you are you doing a Hamburglar bid Mayor McCheese was put in by sorrow. Hey,

Jordan (01:06:14.000)

I am out the hammer. No, you can't do that. Because that's actually a good fucking twist on the bid instead of just being like, Oh, why don't they catch the thief? This is insane. This is insane. It is it's unacceptable to me.

Dan (01:06:27.000)

So do you really think stealing hamburgers is a felony? I mean, how long would he get in prison for that?

Jordan (01:06:34.000)

Okay. It depends. I mean, one way hey, listen, we're way past third strike laws. So he might be like, do you want might be like you want mandatory minimums and McDonald's? Totally. Absolutely. Oh, I mean, what what? How many patties? Has he stolen over his lifetime? Several $1,000 I think he's at felony shit right now.

Dan (01:06:52.000)

Three patties? Absolutely.

Dan (01:06:59.000)

Anyway, yeah, that's kind of the vibe I have. Yeah, I'm like, I don't care, guys. Yeah, you're having fun. This is stupid. I really, really just don't like it when there are things that I find very offensive, like ideas that I think are really offensive being brought up in ways that are presented as jokes but are bad jokes. Yeah. Because it's just I don't even know what to do with it. It's just, uh, yeah. You're not sincere in the way you're articulating this. You're not trying to be taken seriously. You're not funny. I don't know what it is. i The Marriage of Alex and Steven Crowder is a real bad thing, because Steven Crowder has a bigger audience than Alex. Alex will always be excited to go over there. But Stephen makes his content worse. Yeah, he makes Alex's content worse way

Jordan (01:07:47.000)

worse. Man. Yeah, that's that's weird to me. Because I I mean, I think the way that I signal that I shouldn't be taken seriously is when I get a laugh. The idea that I would still consider myself easy didn't take non seriously if I never got laughs That's insane. Well, someone must be

Dan (01:08:06.000)

laughing. So I mean, he did have people on the payroll. Sure. You know, his co host.

Jordan (01:08:10.000)

That's right. I've heard there be like little chuckles and shit. Yeah. That's Tara's co hosted

Dan (01:08:14.000)

life. Oh, that's brutal.

Jordan (01:08:15.000)

Yep. Ouch.

Dan (01:08:17.000)

So we now go to the fourth because like I said, they only did two hours in the no one took over. And I have access. Yeah, yeah. So Alex was like, I'm gonna drive back to Austin. Like, what are you gonna get back for the fourth hour? We'll be back on air tomorrow. Okay, so he's back on here tomorrow. The fourth and big news in the morning of the fourth, and that is that the proud boys were convicted. They were found guilty. Hell yeah. Of seditious conspiracy, including Alex's good buddy Enrique TARIO was on the show many times. Rambo Joe big. Exactly. Former Infowars employee. Yeah, so we have a lot of Info Wars characters who are going to be in prison for quite a while for some conspiracy. Yeah, we have. Enrique TARIO. Joe Biggs. Stuart Rhoads. At least that's three. Yeah. close associates.

Jordan (01:09:15.000)

Yeah, you know, it is two

Dan (01:09:16.000)

different organizations that Alex was close to. Both going to jail. Here's the

Jordan (01:09:23.000)

problem. He has been doing a show that is almost entirely about borderline seditious conspiracy for 20 years, right or live. It seems like this should be the logical endpoint, and we're seeing it.

Dan (01:09:37.000)

Uh huh. But maybe he doesn't get left holding the bag. Yeah, exactly.

Jordan (01:09:40.000)

Because he doesn't actually give a shit, right. Everybody he inspires has gone to jail for seditious conspiracy. And he's like, Hey, all I have to do is pay back a shit ton of money.

Dan (01:09:49.000)

Yeah, everybody who took this shit too serious? Yeah, absolutely weren't trying to maximize their hustle.

Jordan (01:09:55.000)

I mean, shouldn't there be like that one moment before they go to jail where Alex meets them like hey, He's he's got a special thing. And they're like, all the guards leave and they're like, Well, okay, we'll give you a private conversation. And Alex just leans in and he's like, Alex Jones wasn't right, and then walks away. walks away.

Dan (01:10:14.000)

So anyway, Alex starts the show on the fourth. By getting into this. Sure.

Alex Jones (01:10:18.000)

Yeah, one of the top immigration investigators in the world. Michael Yan joining us from the Darien Gap in Central America. From a uplink, he is found in the middle of the jungle.

Dan (01:10:32.000)

So right quick, uh huh. We're not gonna listen to any of this interview. Okay, but I heard that and I was like, how bad is the tech gonna be on that? Yeah, he's in the jungles literally in the jungle works great.

Jordan (01:10:43.000)

Of course it does. Of course it does.

Dan (01:10:45.000)

He tries to get somebody on Zoom and everything goes to some guys in the middle of the jungle on an uplink and it works fine now.

Alex Jones (01:10:54.000)

You're also going to be having norm Pattis on Andrew Hernandez. Marpat is one of the main lawyers for the proud boys, who just 30 minutes ago, were found guilty of terrorism, seditious conspiracy they face decades and decades in prison, in the reg trial in the district of Mordor, okay, all on the Potomac, Washington, DC.

Dan (01:11:20.000)

So as I was listening to that, I was thinking I'd forgotten every now and again, that norm is one of their lawyers, ya know, and just norms heaven a lot of ELLs. It's been a rough nine months. For Norma Yeah, lost a billion dollars.

Jordan (01:11:33.000)

Yeah. Largest largest defamation judgment in the history of the world.

Dan (01:11:37.000)

He lost that. Yeah. And now the proud boys that he was defending or going to prison for seditious conspiracy.

Jordan (01:11:42.000)

Yeah. You know, he didn't warm he didn't take low stakes trials. I will say that the man the man willingly walked into several big L's knowing that he was going to get paid regardless. Yeah, it's

Dan (01:11:55.000)

pretty, pretty wild. Yeah. tough year.

Jordan (01:11:58.000)

I mean, I you'd think he would lose future business but as the bottom of the bottom feeders, yours, you're just you're always gonna get work.

Dan (01:12:08.000)

Yeah, that's true. And that profile is incredibly high. Yeah, and you know, I get the sense that maybe a lot of the clients he has are Hail Mary, shady kind of situation. Yeah. So I don't think that'll stop anybody. Well, I mean, maybe what he really he's like a soul Goodman who loses?

Jordan (01:12:30.000)

Exactly. He's not very clever and doesn't get out of it in the Yeah, I think what it is they the potential clients are like, I need a lawyer, but I don't know what kind and then they see a stand up set from norm and then like, boom, there we go. Right. That's the trial lawyer. I want I didn't know it, but I want a guy with no pain. That's what I need. Yeah. Oh, is he gonna say the N word in court? I don't know.

Dan (01:12:53.000)

So Alex also wants to talk a little bit before we get going on this episode. In too much speed with the case of the guy who got choked on the subway. Oh, no. killed on the subway. Oh my god. Yeah.

Alex Jones (01:13:08.000)

Or Jeff. Yeah, Craps to distribute 21 attacks on white. There's one attack on a black by white person. I'm not attacking black people. That's just the facts. Most people are not doing this. It is a minority though of black males and black females that are now viciously attacking whites everywhere. Well, the argument broke out on a subway and a white for marine. choked a man for only about 30 seconds probably went too far killed him. And now all the demonstrations the riots it's all beginning ladies. They finally have another George Floyd image. They need chokehold death of Jordan Neely ruled a homicide is outrageous grows over caught on video, subway killing, I can show you 100 videos of whites being attacked, many have been killed from just this week. We don't really show a lot of that, though, because it would take a whole show where we show some of it. But maybe we should just do a whole four hour show and a show back to back blacks murdering whites. Let's see the media doesn't show that because they're helping promote that idea that that's a good thing to happen or that whites deserve it. But oh my gosh, a white guy accidentally kills a black man who they admit was being aggressive and is mentally ill.

Unknown Speaker (01:14:22.000)

I'm sorry, it is the show. It's okay. Because perception

Alex Jones (01:14:25.000)

is reality. The media is going to show us this millions of times on air, and it's going to try to create more white guilt. It is truly disgusting.

Dan (01:14:33.000)

So we've talked about this over and over, but it bears repeating because this is very important in central to a lot of Alex's shit, but he's lying about crime statistics in a way that's designed to incite white anger. This is the same fraudulent narrative that was the radicalizing influence on Dylann Roof as he planned his racist mass murder. And Alex knows this he understands this dynamic fully like there's no there's no doubt

Jordan (01:14:57.000)

I mean his friends just got convicted of so The dishes conspiracy he knows.

Dan (01:15:01.000)

Also at the beginning of that clip, he said that the guy went too far in his choking. Yeah, that's the entire point that people are making. That guy didn't have the right to go too far and kill someone under the pretense of subduing him. And it turns out one of the articles that I was reading, like the fact that he's a former Marine actually could work against him because he would have training. Yeah, these sorts of things. And going too far is more of an egregious mistake, because some knows in his position, somebody knows

Jordan (01:15:32.000)

how far is too far. He knows where the line is. Yeah. Well,

Dan (01:15:35.000)

I still I mean, I don't know enough about the people involved or the case to make any kind of definitive, like, he definitely knew it was going to meet the accidents can happen. And you know, there was somebody who was on the train, who said that the guy was making some pretty scary comments, not saying necessarily that subduing him is the right thing to do, though I do understand how a situation could get to that. Sure. Sure. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I'm not saying that it was right in this situation. There are situations where that is sure sure. Sure. But still putting someone in a chokehold irresponsibly going too far. That is not okay. Not is not subduing somebody that is? Maybe you killing them, maybe murder,

Jordan (01:16:22.000)

whatever, whatever the circumstances are, the the cement is wet. And when the cement is wet, and Alex is using this purely to stoke white rage, and justify a murder. It is a fucked up. I mean, it's like, again, he's turning it into a prop so that the reality doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter what the details are in his world, because this is just white and black. Yeah. And I mean that racially not like, you know, the other way. And it's, it's it is like it mean, it takes away any kind of, what are we talking about when we talk about this scenario? Yeah, he removes the reality and turns it into this course. And it's fucking annoying.

Dan (01:17:05.000)

And one of the things that is, in the reason that I bring this up, even though it happens over and over is because it is important to understand that this is a very consistent, intentional piece of his rhetoric. Yeah, like, it's not, it's not just something that pops up time and time again. It's an obsession. Yeah. Most of it. Yeah. And and a editorial line that is very consistent of trying to do things and frame stories in ways designed to incite and elicit white anger.

Jordan (01:17:37.000)

Right. And I mean, that is, that is a really important thing, because a lot of people can get from a clip on Twitter or something like that. Oh, Alex has to Alex did this, you know, and we can say this is a pattern of behavior. But we are proving that it is a pattern of behavior. We are not just saying, Oh, I can show you hours and hours of people bla bla bla bla, but fighting this is happening, right? And

Dan (01:17:59.000)

to Alex's point, I mean, like, I think it would be disgusting if he tried to do a whole show that was just designed around, like people

Jordan (01:18:08.000)

that would be incitement to violence beyond what I could imagine. Yeah.

Dan (01:18:11.000)

But to his point that he brought up that like, they, you know, he could play hours and hours if they covered all of it. That's happening, it will take over the show. Yeah, that is not true. No, he says that all the time. But that it is not true that he has all this this mountain of videos that he's not playing, because just the idea that Alex has them and the audience can believe Oh, he could play them. Yeah, that's all that matters. That's all

Jordan (01:18:38.000)

they need that yeah, they need the suspicion of proof. So now,

Dan (01:18:42.000)

the show becomes what everybody is probably interested in hearing about. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So on the third, Alex got a prank call. And someone who spoofed Tucker's number, Carlson's number and then had an AI of Tucker Carlson, who spoke to Alex. Okay, and so Alex gets on his show on the fourth and I thought this was very strange. He decided to tell this story. Alright, excited to talk with

Jordan (01:19:11.000)

Cisco get out in front of it. Yeah, guess okay. One of the

Alex Jones (01:19:14.000)

most bizarre things that ever happened to me in my life happened yesterday afternoon at about 545. I was sitting in an accounting meeting, Info Wars accounting meeting, in an office building out here, and the phone rings. And it says Tucker Carlson be talking here and they're on the phone. We text a lot. And I said, I'm gonna step out on a port call me and I stepped out into the hallway. And somebody tried to shake my hand I said, Hey, I hear you can't talk. A little bit distracting. I go, Hey, what's going on Tucker edge Tucker Carlson's voice and start saying these horrible, lewd sexual things to me. And I instantly figure out this is AI. So Almost moving his number, and I confront the individuals on this, they say a few more things, and then the phone hangs up. And I immediately call Tucker and talk to him talk to his lead producer as well, called scooter up. And he said, Hey, If this has happened to me, it's probably happening to other people. This is the next level of their setup. Then it turns out, the individual that did it that has quite a following on Twitter, bragged that they had just done it, and just recorded it and done it. And so we're gonna be talking about that. Look at that he says he's going to be airing it is His name is Frank Stallone, on Twitter. He's gonna be on his show Monday. But very important for Frank Stallone to come on the show today or tomorrow. And explain he's not part of a government group or an agency. Because what he did spoofing someone's number, and then doing that in many jurisdictions is a crime. I don't think Tucker Carlson wants to press charges. But he need to come on the air. And he do explain your intent was not to be mean. But he says he's pointing out the dangers of AI here, finding data, what, but it's serious. You don't know what's going on to what's been happening to Tucker behind the scenes. And so you need to, you need to understand what you did is not good. And we need to get that out in the open so that it doesn't escalate any further. We'll be right back.

Dan (01:21:31.000)

Yeah, so I like telling the stories strange. The things, some of the things that I think are particularly bizarre. So just to fill folks in who maybe were not following this as it unfolded, right,

Jordan (01:21:47.000)

I didn't know.

Dan (01:21:50.000)

Stallone is a guy who generally prank calls conservative radio shows. Okay, and then, you know, puts out the the prank calls.

Jordan (01:21:59.000)

What a great guy. Well,

Dan (01:22:01.000)

I mean, sometimes it can be fun. I think that there's a, you know, a genre of comedy calling into radio shows. You know, hey, Jackie, boy, what are you gonna do? Yeah, um, so he, I guess, had Alex's number and also had Tucker's number and made this prank call come together. And so he tweeted about it on Wednesday, in the evening after he had done it. And people were quite excited about Sure. Sure. And then so now Alex talking about it is so weird. Yeah. So weird. And other people were tweeting, and I believe he also tweeted about Alex talking about it. And he said, Alex wants me to come on the show to make sure that I'm not mean. And I think the people who don't listen to enough Alex Jones need to understand a little bit of the, the terminology he used, right? That isn't like it's not about like you You're being mean, right? That's It's something else. Like he always talks about, like, bad being a bad person or whatever, their childish terms for things that he's he means that he thinks that you're in the CIA. Yeah, he says the mean that some guy that doesn't mean like you're being

Jordan (01:23:20.000)

a bully or something. Are you being so mean to me? Yeah. Yeah. It's not quite

Dan (01:23:24.000)

that yeah, there is a belief that is being articulated that maybe you're part of the foundations part of the Rockefellers a,

Jordan (01:23:31.000)

they tricked you or you tricked or or any number of possible things. And the fact that you're using AI, also probably scares Alex in a weird way. And excites him.

Dan (01:23:43.000)

I would say less scares and more is very convenient for him. Yeah. It's, it's something that I think is right, exactly what he would have wanted to happen right about now.

Jordan (01:23:54.000)

I mean, I am amazed. I love I love that people really want to make sure that Alex gets a lot of attention. That's one of the things you know, I've talked about this plenty of times, so that I like our show. Because we don't get Alex attention.

Dan (01:24:13.000)

Well, we don't, you know, try not sensationalized things as best as best we can. I mean, we could.

Jordan (01:24:24.000)

Here's Okay, here's what I here's what I don't like about it. I don't like fighting. I'm tired of fighting. I would like to win. This is a consistent another addition into the never ending cycle of oh, this does this and then this does this. And then says, I just want him to go away. I want to win. Now. I want to win and we won't, they won't let me they won't let us win.

Dan (01:24:47.000)

I understand that. And I don't think I'm I mean, I obviously would love a situation where there was a wind condition but I'm not even sure what that is. For me. I gravitate generally towards hoping to have greater understanding of things. You know, that's kind of what my true north is. Yeah, in terms of, you know, the things that are worth doing are things that increase understanding increase knowledge base and what have you. And to me something like this, I think is just kind of, on on its basis. Kind of, like, yeah, maybe there's something funny about this. But yes, it's kind of a blur. But there are other elements of this that I actually find slightly problematic. And I'm not really thrilled with this. Now, to be honest, I I've known about prank Stallone, I've seen some of his videos. And I don't I honestly don't think it's, I don't think it's bad. I don't know if someone enjoys. You know, even this call. But Alex, I don't think that's a bad thing. If you get a little kick out of it. Sure. Fine. I think that there is a very real line between calling a radio show and fucking with them, and calling someone's private cell phone number. I believe that that borders on harassment. I think that spoofing someone else's phone number and using AI to try and trick them into thinking that they're talking to somebody else. Yeah, is a pretty fucked up layer of I mean, it all kind of does go back to harassment. Yeah, it is, it is a bit harassing. And I do not feel pity or empathy for Alex, in this circumstance. I understand that he's a piece of shit, I get it. But this is an invasion of privacy and harassment in a way that I think is not appropriate. Yeah. I don't believe that it's justifiable, because Alex is a piece of shit. Because guess what, there's a bunch of other people with ill intent. Who would think that you or I are pieces of shit? Yep. Because we cover Alex Jones, if we arbitrarily decide who doesn't get their privacy respected, or who is fine to harass in private spaces, because we don't like them, or we have problems with what they do. Yeah, it opens up. Basically, anyone is harassing people. And I mean, what Alex did with the Sandy Hook folks is probably okay. Because, according to him, they were assholes at that time. Yeah. I mean,

Jordan (01:27:25.000)

why why wouldn't he bother on his show prank calling them with an AI voice of their dead kid? Like, yeah, no, I mean, I get that I get where we Oh, that's too far. I don't I don't know. But it's a bit of an extreme example. Well, exactly. But my bias. I mean, I agree with you. I think I think the problem I have is, while we were talking a little bit about it before the show, because I didn't know anything about it. But that he is not releasing the audio until Monday. The that makes me so mad. That makes me so mad. Yeah. And there's a simple reason why there are two people who are trying to profit off of this. And one of them is Frank Stallone. And the other one is Alex, and they're both going to profit and nobody else will. Yeah,

Dan (01:28:12.000)

that that. You know, I think that there is a if you tweet something like this, that is this incendiary and attention baiting, and then it's days until you're going to put out the thing. Yeah, the reason is to accumulate more hype. And yeah, interest surrounding the thing. And granted, I think that that's how almost everybody operates. But except for us, yeah. And I find it to be a little bit on toward, but I guess it's a prank call that we're talking about? Sure.

Jordan (01:28:43.000)

Sure. I mean, but it's not. It's not a prank call towards somebody who does is it's a prank call towards a fucking nightmarish figure that has been turned into a cosmic joke, which is fine. He is a cosmic joke. But you are giving him power. You are giving him power. I understand that you're going to profit off of it by getting whatever money or attention that you want. But you are hurting everybody else. Yeah, that is being you're you're hurting people

Dan (01:29:18.000)

there there. There are a number of aspects as to why. And some of the other clips here from Alex talking about this. Yeah, we'll kind of delve into some of that. Yeah. But then the second, the second element of it, too, is that like, and I think this might actually be somewhat related to the first element of it. This is not a trend or a direction that I think is good, right for society as a whole. Yeah, deep fakes. And that kind of stuff is a box that I don't think should be used capriciously. Now,

Jordan (01:29:55.000)

humans have always had a really confident relationship with technology where it never goes wrong. Right.

Dan (01:30:00.000)

I mean, there's all those videos of like Trump and Obama playing video games, you know, the AI voices on? Sure. Yeah. A little bit unnerving in some ways. But the understanding is there that this is fake. It is within a context that is entirely fake. No one's going to be tricked into thinking that they're actually playing Call of Duty, right? Using deep fakes and AI, voice prints and stuff like that, for the sake of duping people. Whether or not you think they deserve it, is it's a bad way to go. It's a Pandora's box. Yeah, let's

Jordan (01:30:41.000)

not do that.

Dan (01:30:42.000)

normalizing it and making it seem like this is something that is fun, that you can mess around with. I think that down that road is some pretty scary shit.

Jordan (01:30:53.000)

We are living in an era where I genuinely struggle to recognize what is and is not real on a daily basis. Why are we making that harder shouldn't exacerbate? Why are we making that harder? Yeah, that's a bad idea.

Alex Jones (01:31:05.000)

So Alex, later in

Dan (01:31:07.000)

the show, tells the story again. Yeah,

Alex Jones (01:31:10.000)

I got an experience in AI yesterday. I'm in an accounting meeting. For Info Wars, an accounting firm across town at about 545. And my phone buzzes and says Tucker Carlson on. So I say let me step out. And let me take this phone call. And I step out in the hall. And it's done. Carlson's voice is Tucker, I know, Tucker, we're talking on the phone all the time. text all the time. And individual says, a bunch of sexually explicit things to me. Well, I ran away, figure out this is a Tucker Carlson. So I'll say, oh, let's not say right away. Ai garbage. This is somebody wait till the audio with a soundboard where they type out a script, put it in AI, they have a recording that they use hit buttons have different responses, begging someone in conversation. And the guy that did it is now admitted on Twitter, with over two and a half million views that are needed. And his name is Frank Stallone at the CJs on Twitter. In fact, I'll show his original tweet of again. So he starts saying sexually explicit things I want to call to share with you. I want to you know, do sexual things to you. I said this is a Tucker Carlson. Instantly my brain says this is AI and somebody who's spoofed his phone number calling me doing it.

Dan (01:32:37.000)

So I agree. I agree with what you're saying. Like, Well, we'll see. We'll see you when there's actual recording. Who is right and who is wrong.

Jordan (01:32:45.000)

Instantly, I think is a big exaggerate. Sure. Yeah,

Dan (01:32:49.000)

I'm sure there is. I mean, even if someone called me and they were spoofing someone's voice and they started saying weird shit. Yeah, there's probably like, now they're drunk or something. Yeah. Or they're fucking with me or something. Right. You know, there's, there's a number of things that go through your head before you're like, oh, prank call with AI bot. You know, like, that's, that's not exactly one, two or three. Yeah, um, you might notice though, Alex is basically plugging. Yeah, this guy. Yep. He said his name twice. It's given away, given out his Twitter handle, put the tweet up. And that's because this is a fight. Alex wants to have. Yep. This is a fight that Alex is thrilled. It's

Jordan (01:33:29.000)

a great fight. Oh, if he gets him on the show, he's got 2.5 5 million views. He can yell at him about how he's Deep State or anything along those lines. He'll get all the attention that he wants. He'll get the victory even though he loses it's it's a fucking goldmine for

Dan (01:33:47.000)

him. It's we've seen it happen a number of times. Yeah. And that's exactly what Alex had hoped. He talked to Frank Stallone earlier in the day because he was trying to get him to come on the show here on the fourth.

Alex Jones (01:34:00.000)

Okay, so let's say someone that started Carlson cell phone, and also Alex Jones cell phone number. And also an AI turned Carlson's voice. They could, in theory, call shells, pretend to be Tucker, and have a full conversation with him. Anyways, I just did that. And that is whatever he or she says they're gonna release it Monday. And this person is so divorced from God. So satanic because I talked to him earlier today on the phone. They go, I'm not gonna come on your show and explain this isn't aggressive, to be friendly. You're bigger than me. How does it helped me to come on your show? I said, we'll be bigger for your show to talk about why you did this. And why what you think of AI? Obviously, you're smaller show going bigger showing us? No, you don't help me. I said, Well, Tucker's got his lawyers involved. He's really concerned about this. Because he can't let people think his voice and then call around and threaten people and call around and say that, you know, people want to have sex with people and do this in their name. That's stealing someone's identity that's spoofing their phone number. which is a theft of identity. And then it's pretending to be them and saying horrible things in their voice. You caused a lot of angst. And the guy ran from my producer, we talked to my two hours ago, said, Screw you and laugh at me. I don't care. For them, it's all about the interface. It's all about being funny. But for me, I get this call. I've got to be in accounting, meaning I call talker. He doesn't answer leave a message. We talk to him later. I call his head producer scooter. He goes, Yes, I'm in the info. Scooter found who it was, because the guy was already bragging. Well, yeah, I mean, imagine, you don't just steal somebody's phone number. You don't just steal their identity. You don't just poses them where the number comes up that way, which they can do to these IP addresses. These virtual phones you program. You then say, hey, Tucker, what's up? I want to close the show with you. I want to have sex with you. Am I this is a Tucker. And it's still Tucker's voice. I'm like, because at first I'm like, Hey, sorry, I'm in a meeting. And it's like, what do you believe? It's me. It's me. You saw my number. I like no, I see you called gutter. And then well, I want to close the show with you who you know, do sexual things to you. I said this is not Tucker Carlson. And then the guy lied on his Twitter and said Jones bought the whole thing. No. 30 seconds. No, he doesn't edit the the tape. I went this is AI.

Dan (01:36:26.000)

So we'll see that fraud. I

Jordan (01:36:29.000)

wouldn't go that far.

Dan (01:36:30.000)

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not entirely sure. Sure. But yeah, he tried to get him on the show now. And I think that prank made the right call. Yeah. In terms of not going. Fuck you is good. Sure. And that at least allows him to control his own input and involvement in terms of this revenue or Attention Economy share adventure, you know, instead of ceding some sort of ground to Alex, although I mean, he would get better memes out of it if he just went on Alex's show and clowned on him. Yep, you know, so much fun. Yep. But But yeah, I didn't notice something in this and that is that this ends up taking up a fair amount of the show. Yeah. Not a whole lot. I think norm got bumped. Really not talking about the Cowboys. Unless he was on in the fourth hour with which I didn't listen to. But yeah, so like no time to talk about what is a maybe much more important thing that Alex should be responding to, which is one of his former employees. Just got charged with seditious conspiracy.

Jordan (01:37:38.000)

Yeah. You think tying him together with that would be cool. or doing any number of different things. That'd be cool.

Dan (01:37:46.000)

Did it didn't end up taking up a lot of time. So yeah, he did rejected the I think there's a little bit of dramatics on Alex's part. Like you say Tyrion, I sure sure Shafi, but that's that's to be expected. I do.

Jordan (01:37:59.000)

I do really appreciate how many times in the podcast existence we have where somebody has given Alex the moral high ground,

Dan (01:38:07.000)

somewhat, especially to his audience. Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. No, you can, you can, and I think a lot of people who may listen to this episode will have the response that fuck Alex, he doesn't deserve the privacy. Sure, whatever. And I can hear that argument. Yeah, I may not fully agree, but I understand where you're coming from. And I might actually agree after we talk about it a bit. Sure. But the moral high ground in terms of his audience is 100%. There. And one of the other things is that this plays very neatly into one of the topics that Alex talks about all the time, which is this AI takeover. And all of this essentially makes a lot of the points that he tries to make.

Jordan (01:38:48.000)

I mean, I I'm fine with, like, you know, listen, you know, I'm more on the fuck Alex and his privacy tip than you are, of course, sure. But my problem is not any of that. And it's all like, who is profiting? Cui bono? I mean, yeah, well, sure. But I mean, more like, why are we in a situation where you think it's worthwhile to give Alex money to laugh at him? Yeah, yeah. I mean, because that too, you can you can put it in this any other different terms you want, but you are paying Alex a percentage of whatever you get in order to get your laughs And that's fucking fine if that's what you want to do. But you're not doing anybody any good. You're existing in the same selfish bullshit that everybody else is existing

Dan (01:39:37.000)

to degree and I think that it speaks volumes that you're, you know, when you engage in this way, it is something that Alex is very, very interested in, in game. Oh, yeah. That should say something you

Jordan (01:39:54.000)

made Alex happy. Yeah.

Dan (01:39:56.000)

You excited? Yeah.

Jordan (01:39:57.000)

Why did you do that? And I said, Why do you expect me to be on board with it. And I think

Dan (01:40:01.000)

that he does actually make a decent case for spinning this into his AI narratives of fear. Yeah.

Alex Jones (01:40:09.000)

And that's why AI is so dangerous because you can give it the prerequisites you want, that haven't read all these articles under other names, they can produce more articles 1000 times a million times a billion times all the articles I can produce all the articles tear crawls and produce all the articles a James O'Keefe can produce and make it look like James O'Keefe and make it sound like James O'Keefe telling you the messages it wants. And people will then not know what's true. They won't want to up from now on and the globalist will take over. So this fella says on Monday, he's going to put the conversation I've got on my phone. I can see how long was one minute long. Hey, it's Tucker, how you doing? Oh, sorry. I mean, let me get out of here. Well, can you hear me to believe what you mean? No, it's Tucker Shima number I called you. Yeah, man. This doesn't sound like you. I mean, what you're saying this is telling you? Well, you know, I want to close the show with you and basically have sex with you. But this is Tucker. This is AI. Somebody's doing this. On infowars.com. I thought was like some live show doing? Like infowars.com Of course, right? Calm, and I hung up. But that's what this is. That's the danger of this. And the real danger of AI is us accepting it. And us using it against fellow humans. We got to hold the line. The AI wars are here.

Dan (01:41:27.000)

I'm not saying that Alex makes a compelling argument that I'm necessarily buy in. Sure. But it is folded into the lot of conspiracies that he's gone on for for a long time. Here's somebody who listens to his show. This is evidence of the things that Alex has said, are coming. They're coming. Yep. Also, there's insinuations that he's working with somebody or some agency. It only strengthens the idea that Alex and Tucker are under attack. Yep. It essentially exists within the Info Wars world very comfortably.

Jordan (01:42:01.000)

Oh, and it can't it can't be understated that any private communications released from any of these figures at this point can credibly be called defect API's? by Alex Yeah, by his ilk, for sure. There's no way that you can, in in the world that

Dan (01:42:17.000)

the church hears audio of Tucker saying x y is AI, and it's heard how good the phone call exactly was

Jordan (01:42:25.000)

totally, totally, absolutely. There is there is no way to break that artificial bubble, or there's no way to break the conservative bubble. Once this line is crossed.

Dan (01:42:37.000)

It's It's tough. It's one of the things that was, and it's I mean, we've been touched on this a little bit already is really disorienting and jarring about the nature of this world of propaganda and misinformation is the trying to make reality. all fucked up, you know, like trying what's real, what's not fake news, all this stuff? And I think I'm escalating that and helping that can be. I mean, in some, in some respect, Alex would go that

Jordan (01:43:14.000)

way, anyway. Yeah, no, no, of course,

Dan (01:43:17.000)

but this is very convenient. It

Jordan (01:43:20.000)

does. It is like, I mean, for a guy who has really had a shit time to have this fall on his lap must have been the best day. It's pretty good. It's been a long time since I've heard him be like, hey, I want you to come on the show. And then we'll you know, like, kind of chipper voice What's

Dan (01:43:37.000)

interesting to like, let's imagine a scenario where prank Stallone calls him. Yeah. And is being Tucker and Alex confesses to a crime or something like yeah, then what? That's ill gotten.

Jordan (01:43:50.000)

That's That's it admissible in court. Now?

Dan (01:43:53.000)

What are you gonna do with it? You gotta report it, but they can't use it. No. Nope. I mean, the only hope that you can really gain out of it is something embarrassing, right? I mean, like, that's the best case scenario going into this brand called says something embarrassing.

Jordan (01:44:09.000)

That's why he went straight for fucking right.

Dan (01:44:11.000)

That is to obviously like, not Tucker. Sure. So then what? What's the goal? If that's even how the phone call went? I mean, we have no idea. That's just Alex's telling of it. That

Jordan (01:44:22.000)

goal is the goal is for the attention. Right? It is. And it is,

Dan (01:44:27.000)

but also Alex has been through a lot of this stuff in the past because His career spans over this 20 something years. And there was a time when people would call with like, soundboard. Yeah, yeah. And so he talks about his experience with that a little bit. I dealt

Alex Jones (01:44:42.000)

with this 1516 years ago, there were a lot of popular soundboards online, where it's a console online that has hundreds of Alex shows clubs of the same different things they did to all other folks. There's the headline intercept US special forces. Use deep fakes for psyops was other articles along those lines. And they would call businesses and random groups and play Alex Jones clips out of yelling at them. auto parts stores, churches, police stations, you name it. For non police barbers would call me he says issued on us. And even before that, 25 years ago, people would program fax machines and send the Austin Police Department messages. I'm coming down there to kill everybody. Tomorrow noon. And my home phone would start ringing or my cell phone Hey, there's this detective, blah, blah. Why did you send us a fax saying you're gonna kill her by tomorrow? I'm like, no. Yeah, we thought that somebody spoofing your phone number. Let's see your fax machine. But do you ever do that it was just funny. He was just cute. He was really nice to do that. This individual prank stolen Stallone at the CJs he thinks it's funny to copy Tucker Carlson's voice and call it but I've done curls and say he wants to have sex with me. Okay, well, would

Dan (01:46:05.000)

you put it like that? He's like them, Teddy.

Alex Jones (01:46:08.000)

That's what he said. He thinks it's fine. And like, why are you upset? Watch Tucker upset? Well, I got your phone number. I'm spoofing it. I'm misrepresenting who you are. What's your problem? Well, I noticed he's gone offline. Now. He's not too happy. Oh, wow. It's not too good to be on a two way street son. That nice. That's my stay what you're doing. I'm just sit here. I'm supposed to sit here like I don't exist. Like I'm not a real person.

Dan (01:46:36.000)

So at this point, Frank Stallone had tweeted something about going offline. Yeah. And Alex took that seriously.

Jordan (01:46:43.000)

Yeah, he's going offline. That's right. Gotcha.

Alex Jones (01:46:47.000)

Well, you mess with my life while you screw with me. I suppose to sit here and just roll over because it's all part of your fun he stole Tucker Carlson's identity. He faked his number. He faked his voice. He called me and made sexual threats. And he just thinks that's funny. Because of his sociopathic world, I don't exist. Thou shalt is fair game for any attack. So center Carlson. We're gonna find out who you're working with, buddy. I'm sure it'll respond by spamming our numbers out more, already got plans for that. But the end of the day, you'll always be a sack of garbage.

Jordan (01:47:42.000)

Well, we keep fighting. The cycle continues. Never ending, we'll have violence. So I

Dan (01:47:50.000)

just I, I mean, look, at the beginning of this show, when we were doing the show, and we had, you know, some audience. I had a position and a feeling that I would like to encourage the audience not to call into Alex's show and fuck with him. And the reason for that was twofold. One, I thought it was unhealthy. And two, I didn't want to mess with the thing that we were trying to gain a better understanding of. Yeah, by injecting our own influence onto the thing. We kind of distort the thing that we're studying, right becomes just over and over. It's a Yeah, it's an aura. Boris. Yeah. So I had that position. And I had that feeling since being involved in the lawsuit and such and since, you know, knowing that they got a corporate representative, because no one in the company wanted us to make fun of them. Yeah, knowing those kinds of things. I kind of have to make peace with the fact that some people may call into his show. Sure. And if that's the case, I'm gonna prank calls him on his show, you're gonna do whatever, you know, generally, you can tell when something's a prank call. And, you know, I can cover it or not. Yeah, you know what, I still don't think that I would want people to do it. Because I don't want Alex to be able to write us off as some people who are harassing him or whatever it is. I do think that that would D legitimize a lot of the criticisms that we have of them. But you know, people are going to call his show. That's just kind of part of doing radio, you expect that some people are going to be fucking with you, or whatever. I don't think that calling someone's phone number at home is necessarily great. I mean, I've had Alex's phone number for a long time. Yeah, I've had his home address. I like I know these things. And I don't know I I guess it may come down to a difference of opinion. I mean, I think I think whether or not you know, privacy is respect, like,

Jordan (01:49:52.000)

like, we could do this shit. Like, that's one of the things that I feel like sometimes goes by the wayside. We could do this You know, like, if we wanted to be pieces of fucking shit, we could go hard.

Dan (01:50:06.000)

Also, I was thinking about the closest that we've come in. And I mean, we called Larry Nichols back in the day. Sure. And that is even something I'm a little bit conflicted about, historically,

Jordan (01:50:18.000)

but he put his number on there. He did and we were invited people to call

Dan (01:50:21.000)

it and we were upfront about who we were. We were doing a show totally This is about a show about Alex Jones. Yep. And he agreed to talk with us so but it's still you know, there's still a feeling of of that being almost prank Callie. But it wasn't the first time the only reason I even like jumps to me is because it is his home phone. Yeah, well, I did we only knew it because he said he said

Jordan (01:50:45.000)

it on there. I think the again we didn't spoof Alex's number when we called him to pretend that we're but I think again at the first time we call them it was a bit of a prank call but more just a like a there's no way he still has this number right an idiot would do that. And then it was his number. Yeah, and then we we also cut that out we cut that out of the episode that we texted him we set up a time we did the whole thing. Yeah, like professionals even though we were not

Dan (01:51:12.000)

I guess maybe I don't know what the point of this is. I mean, outside of the point of you know getting attention that works both ways. Yeah, for Alex and for Frank Yep. The but I don't know what greater thing we get them possibly laughing at Alex nothing for

Jordan (01:51:35.000)

No, it's true. This is only harmful in the long term and short term. It's harmful. Everybody gets a nice nice little dopamine boost of look at this idiot look at this idiot in the town square. We put him in the stocks for a while right and we throw our tomatoes and then we just leave

Dan (01:51:54.000)

it is a perfect opportunity for and Alex Jones is right kind of campaign of you know, Alex said that. They're going to use AI to steal people's identities. Yeah. Do you know like, even I mean, he has he has a lot more elaborate theories about it about how like you'll download your voice print and people will be able to share you know, pretend that you live in a computer after you've died and yeah, you know, there's there's some other stuff that goes along with some of Alex's theories, but this certainly does touch on some Alex Jones is right territory.

Jordan (01:52:25.000)

I mean, I just I am so fucking tired of fake shit. I am tired of fiction. I would like to fight someone in the real fucking world. I'm tired of all these goddamn attention grabbing bullshit things and and Erica Lafferty doesn't get a fucking article about how she has to have a GoFundMe for her fucking shit. She doesn't get a shit ton of attention. No, thumbs something valuable. Something good. Something real. Something that can damage Alex got fuck off. No, no, no, we're doing some fucking fake voice shit. And now again, I don't know what's real. Now.

Dan (01:53:04.000)

So Alex talks about another use of this technology. And I mean, I think there are some differences. But there are some similarities too.

Alex Jones (01:53:13.000)

And if you think this is bad, this is nothing compared to what it's gonna do. infowars.com article from April 11. Last month I got your daughter mom trick by AI virtual kidnapping phone scam that cloned daughter's voice. Oh, it's just a joke to call a mom and say their daughter's kidnap probably took 10 years off your life. But it's funny for you. It's cute to terrorize somebody. It's all a joke. Come on, grew up, had a laugh with us. When you call a mother and say we kidnap your daughter and we're gonna kill her. Lady? Don't you have a sense of humor?

Dan (01:53:57.000)

It's a little self serving of Alex using that as an example. But on a sort of basic level. It is a more certainly extreme and maybe grotesque use of this technology. But what it is is people spoofing voices using AI in order to get something out of somebody on the other end it on a basic level. There is a there is a similarity between a kidnapping, fake call scam, and somebody who's trying to get a real great piece of content out of Allah. Yeah,

Jordan (01:54:34.000)

it's not it's not one to one and it's it's wrong for him to make that comparison and self serving but not wrong enough. Not far off enough. Not not far off enough. You know,

Dan (01:54:47.000)

and I hate I hate these kinds of situations too, because it really does end up feeling like I'm like somehow defensive of Alex or something. Sure, sure.

Jordan (01:54:57.000)

Sure. I'm sure. I'm sure people could take away from something that any number of conversations that we've had over the years of like, oh, they just want to own this space. Yeah. And it's like, I mean, in a sense, I do want to own this space, because he shouldn't be out there. Well, I wish they should be quiet and calm and enclosed.

Dan (01:55:18.000)

Yeah. And well, I don't want to own the space as it were. But I do think that there are a number of things that people either negligently or because they don't really care, do the end up playing into Alex's benefit? And maybe if that if there were less of that, things would go better. And, hey, maybe I'm wrong. And if that's the case, then fuck me. But like, I, I think I've done a bit of work on this subject,

Jordan (01:55:48.000)

I would say this, I think we're in a place in a time period where we need to start thinking of things is evident, based upon the number of years that they have been going on in exactly the same way. So if we had been treating Alex in exactly the same way for 20 years, perhaps maybe we should look at ourselves and say, perhaps, perhaps, we are involved in why he's got a 20 year long fucking career.

Dan (01:56:13.000)

Well, I think I think that there is a complicit pneus of sensationalism. You know, there is a benefit that Alex derives out of things like this things like the bony vejer song. Sure, you know, those are things that are perfect for him.

Jordan (01:56:31.000)

Yeah. They're not real. True. They're, they're talking, they're they're communicating with Alex, on his ground, which is complete and utter bullshit.

Dan (01:56:42.000)

And whether you choose to engage directly with him after the fact, you're gonna get used. And it's kind of worked Alex's benefit. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, it's good.

Jordan (01:56:53.000)

If we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and this is where we are, then maybe we have to do something different. Regardless of whatever your argument may be. You may have a very cogent argument that I can't communicate enough evidence with you to talk about, but I can tell you that we've been doing the same thing for 20 years, and he got extremely absurdly popular and only continues to fucking make money off of this horrible shit. Maybe we have to do something different if we want that to end.

Dan (01:57:22.000)

Yeah. And, you know, I think there's an argument to be made that our show isn't necessarily the end all be all of that. No, of course not. Yeah, society needs to respond to stuff like this differently. Yeah. And they need to look at Alex. Not as content fodder. They need he views himself as the meme machine. This guy that is perfect for content. Yeah, you're making him and everybody else who engages with him like that is playing in to a lot of the thing that he needs to have oxygen.

Jordan (01:57:54.000)

Yeah, I mean, just think about this. Did you make Alex Jones happy? If you made Alex Jones happy? Maybe you shouldn't have

Dan (01:58:02.000)

is Alex Jones plugging you multiple times on his show? Maybe

Jordan (01:58:05.000)

you're not good? Maybe you're not on the side of good.

Dan (01:58:09.000)

Maybe Alex is super into what you're doing? Yeah, maybe

Jordan (01:58:13.000)

it's kind of a symbiotic relationship that can only benefit him.

Dan (01:58:17.000)

Maybe you're involved in case a Do Not maybe don't even realize. So anyway, we have one less clip here. And actually this is I mean, all things being equal. I definitely don't agree with Alex. Okay,

Alex Jones (01:58:30.000)

the gloves are off guys. Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna file a criminal complaint. Because what you did to me is nothing compared to these women with their daughters and salary, but it's the same crap. You don't get to steal our phone numbers and poses us and then in our voices say things we never said. We need to punish these people. They need to be dealt with. I call for him to be arrested now. How would the police like if I copied your voice from a press conference, and then started calling up prominent people with the police chief saying he wants to commit crimes. That's a crime. That's not defamation is gentleman that's identity theft.

Alex Jones (01:59:21.000)

And I call that piece of garbage today. He didn't call me back and he called my producer back. I gave her the number and she came in here during the break. And he laughed at me and thought it was funny. We'll see how funny you think it is now? Because I'm gonna push to get your ass put in jail. To keep laughing you sociopath.

Dan (01:59:40.000)

Alex isn't going to do that. But I think the you should be in jail is a little much. It's a little much. Yeah. But yeah, you know, well, what have you done that to anybody but Alex called and made sexual overtures in Tucker's voice That's far more problematic, right? Yep. But it's the same action.

Jordan (02:00:04.000)

Sure. I mean, you know, contextually there is a difference. Yeah. But again, maybe not enough. Maybe not enough of a difference. Yeah, maybe that's the more of the problem is yeah, there is a difference. And I won't say like, Oh, you have to be. It's, it's all this are all that, you know, like in those lines, if there is a contextual difference, but, boy, I don't think it's good for. I don't think it's good for us. I don't think it's good for the people engaging in this behavior. Maybe it's not, maybe it's not morally wrong. Maybe it's not any of those things. It is. Yeah, but I don't think it is going to benefit you or us or the world or anybody but the attention seekers and Alex Yeah. So I mean, I

Dan (02:00:49.000)

mean, that's, that's largely my point. Yeah. And, you know, like I said, if you enjoy it for laughs, by all means, I don't think you're I don't think you suck. I don't know. And I don't think that this guy sucks. I think that a lot of the prank call stuff, especially to shows can be a lot of fun. Sure, I think that this is miscalculated, and I think it's probably a bad thing to do. It's a It's spoofing people's numbers and voices is a rough precedent, and calling people on their private phones. Using those things, I think is inappropriate and problematic. In a lot of ways. Yeah. But you know, larger picture, I have the exact same issue with this that I have with the the song The bony bear. So yeah, it's just it's not going to get the end result that maybe you want. And it actually is going to work against the purposes of working against the actual rhetoric that Alex puts into the world. Yep. Because if we look at this show, Alex, an ex employee, and a frequent guest of his got arrested and charged and found guilty of seditious conspiracy, yeah. And he's using the same racist narratives that inspired Dylann Roof to discuss the man who was choked to death on the subway real shit. These are things that are important. That's not going to be in any way dealt with or or even touched on fiction. With prank calling him Yeah. People who like Alex will be see vindication in it and see it as a further piece of proof that he's under attack. Maybe some people who are on the fence will be convinced by the hashtag Alex Jones have it all Yeah, no, I am sure it was right.

Jordan (02:02:46.000)

That's but that's that's the thing like the fight is what makes the these people stronger. There's no win or lose. It's just the constant fight. I want him to go away. Don't call him. Don't text him. Don't speak to him. Pretend he doesn't exist every time. It's like that Black Mirror episode. Every time he goes outside. You should see a blank screen. No, Alex Jones, nothing. pretend he's not real. I want to end the fight.

Dan (02:03:13.000)

Except as a academic weird curiosity. Sure.

Jordan (02:03:15.000)

Sure. Sure. Well, I mean, we basically study him like a weird lizard.

Dan (02:03:23.000)

It's kind of it's kind of what he is. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to end this.

Jordan (02:03:29.000)

Well, it's gonna end with us admitting that we're a little bit maybe monkish. Maybe a little ascetic? Yeah, maybe, and we're not. And there's no like moral judgment. There's no like, looking down or no, it's like, it's about solving shit. It's about solving shit. I don't. I don't want to keep this fucking cycle going, man.

Dan (02:03:50.000)

Yeah, ideally. Ideally, you hope. Like I said, I hope to gain more understanding, you have a goal of hoping to solve things. None of that is necessarily served by any of this. And all it does is create a giant ball of attention that Alex is incredibly adept at exploiting and using for

Jordan (02:04:13.000)

got all that attention. Right. Yeah,

Dan (02:04:16.000)

I think I think that anybody who believes that they're going to enter the attention battle. Yeah. Alex and come out ahead is, is probably they might feel like they want

Jordan (02:04:28.000)

Yeah, well, but that's but that's the thing is that because we live in two different realities. They both win. They both get to walk away with the wind. The only people who don't are the people watching the two of them do their shit.

Dan (02:04:44.000)

And then Alex continues. Yep. Anyway, we'll be back. Indeed we will. Maybe we'll find out what happened with that call. Oh, no, we won't because we are going to record on Sunday so there's still will not be our

Jordan (02:04:55.000)

boy. Well, what's he going to do now? Well, Get ready for a past episode assholes.

Dan (02:05:02.000)

Yeah. Sure, sure. Yeah. I had to listen to Steven Crowder. Exactly. We're

Jordan (02:05:09.000)

gonna go into the past. Yeah.

Dan (02:05:11.000)

Tell them. We have a website. Indeed

Jordan (02:05:13.000)

we do. It's all trade.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter technology underscore fight. Yep, we'll be

Dan (02:05:17.000)

back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark. And now here comes the sex robots.

Alex Jones (02:05:27.000)

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.