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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a victim caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work, knowledgefight.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Yep.
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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I guess it's the silliness that the heat brings out.
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Yeah it sure does.
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It is fucking hot in Chicago.
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Makes you a little giddy.
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One of these Chicago summer days.
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Yeah it's like 100 degrees something.
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It's a mess man.
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So hot out there, your sausage cooks right on the ground.
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Hey, I tell you what now.
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I had, we all had that heat wave.
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Oh yeah.
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Last week it was in the hundreds.
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Yep.
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Just a complete disaster.
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And then it was so, like it was chilly one day, like sweater weather.
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Uh huh.
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And now it's back to hundreds.
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Yep.
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This is a mess.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It reminds me of how it wasn't like in my youth.
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You know, before whenever everybody was like global warming, there's still winter.
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And now everybody's a little bit like, ooh it's fucking hot.
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Oh shit.
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There was always some bit of seasonal variability.
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Of course.
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But it does definitely feel different.
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It sure fucking does.
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It is upsetting.
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Probably anecdotal like, oh you know, the past, it's not like the way it used to be.
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This really does, no there's math.
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I saw it.
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I need to go pick up a prescription and I am intentionally waiting until after we record,
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hoping it's a little cooler.
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Yeah, yeah.
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On the longest day of the year.
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As if the sun will be down by then.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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It's not like we're recording at 9pm or something.
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But yeah, I'm still sort of trying to bank on that.
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Fingers crossed.
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Yeah, good luck.
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Good luck.
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I wish you the best.
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See, I'm not sure what my bright spot is, but I guess it's whatever.
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Anyway, what's yours?
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My bright spot is similarly low stakes.
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I told you, my partner, it's the end of the school year.
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This was the first real day that she did not have an alarm clock on.
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During the school year, I wake up at 6.30, I cannot go back to sleep.
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So this morning, I slept in until 8.45.
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Greatest day of my life.
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Greatest day of my life.
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8.45, my friend.
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That's crazy late.
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Yeah, oh no, it's out of control.
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Says the guy who...
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I don't know if I've seen that side of 9 in a while.
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Yeah.
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I've been up at 8.45.
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Sure, sure.
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Some all-nighters.
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There's been some work.
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But yeah, well, congratulations on sleeping in.
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I hope you enjoy whatever period of time you're able to do that for.
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Yes.
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So somebody else who's maybe not been waking up early.
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All right.
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Alex Jones, still out of studio.
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What is happening?
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Yeah, we expected him to be back on Sunday, but he's been still gone.
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Didn't they say he was going to be back on Sunday?
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Yep.
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We're recording this on Tuesday.
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Right.
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He might have been back today.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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Mm-hmm.
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But yeah, he was gone Sunday, gone Monday.
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And we'll talk a little bit about that and get into some other stuff.
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God.
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I hope he fled.
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I really do.
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I really hope he fled.
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I don't think my working theory is hangover.
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Sure.
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Or missed a flight or something.
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Totally.
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Acceptable.
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I'm hoping.
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But we'll get into an episode here.
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But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Dr. Marvel's Liquid Liver Tonic.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next.
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Mm.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that one a great deal.
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They said an appropriately long, so I played it by ear.
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Yep, yep.
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Next, this includes an apology and a happy birthday to Ethan from Mimi, your future wife.
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This was supposed to be the beginning of the month.
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Oh, boy.
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All right.
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Are they already married?
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I don't know.
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Sorry.
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A little bit delayed.
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But also happy birthday, Ethan.
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Happy birthday.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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Next.
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Roger Stone's Bikini Waxer.
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And yes, the sack does match the back, sir.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I'm not thrilled I said that, but the message did include an apology that I had to say it,
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so let it go.
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It's true.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Next, Nicholas R., one of the top box engineers in the country and erstwhile tequila sunset.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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That's as confusing as it is, almost pleasing.
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Yeah.
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I like that arc.
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That's a good arc.
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And we've got a couple technocrats, Jordan.
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So first, Baba Yaga, the only friend Alex deserves.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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And Matt from Illinois, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I have risen above my enemies.
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I might quit tomorrow, actually.
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I'm just going to take a little break-y now.
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A little break-y for me.
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And then we're going to come back, and I'm going to start the show over.
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But I'm the devil.
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I've got to be taking all this hair off, and all this blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World
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Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do.
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I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns
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on air.
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I'll be better tomorrow.
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We'll never know if he's better today because he's fucking nowhere to be found.
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Oh boy.
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He's in the wind.
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Ah man, if he fled, that'd be great.
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I doubt it.
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Oh, I know.
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So we have a couple of clips here from Monday's show.
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Owen is hosting and addressing the fact that Alex is not there.
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And so here is the beginning of a little bit of a breakdown discussion of where the fuck
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is Alex?
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Okay.
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Yeah, that's a good question.
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If you're tuned in and you're wondering where is Alex, Owen?
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You told me Alex would be back.
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Well, yes, the plan was for Alex to be back.
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The problem is we're living in Biden's America and we're living in the collapsing civilization
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that we're in right now.
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And so part of the symptom of our collapsing society, our collapsing civilization is flight
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cancellations and what is being now called travel Armageddon.
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Yeah, man.
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Travel Armageddon.
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Right.
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Alex is a victim of travel Armageddon.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So yeah, there's canceled flights and what have you.
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Sure.
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And Alex is apparently, this is the reason that he's not in studio, but I think it's
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cover.
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I think he probably just partied a little too hard.
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What was, I think he's in Belarus being hidden by the Russian regime.
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I think that's what's going on.
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He's going to show back up at Infowars.
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It's going to be a wax figurine.
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That's kind of what I'm thinking.
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Is he in the exact same hiding place that Saddam was?
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That's the real question.
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He's underground.
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Yeah.
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No, I think he probably just got drunk and missed a flight.
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Yeah, that would make the most sense.
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That's my theory.
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But man, it's a conspiracy though, according to Owen.
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I like how he's somehow condescending towards us.
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Like we're stupid for thinking, how dare we think that he should be back despite it being
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Biden's America.
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Well, and he said he'd be back.
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And look, I'll be honest.
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Yeah.
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Fuck you.
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Don't take that tone with me.
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Flight cancellations are a headache.
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Sure.
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It's a chore.
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It's been happening to me.
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Alex is fucking so rich.
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So goddamn rich.
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Buy your own fucking plane.
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This is a level of irresponsibility that is shocking to come from a celebrity and media
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personality.
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Totally.
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And why is Owen delivering this instead of Alex on the phone?
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He could be doing it on the phone unless he was a little too drunk because he missed his
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flight and decided, fuck it.
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Or if he's in Belarus, no wifi.
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Can't call in.
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Yeah.
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Here's Owen complaining a little bit more.
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Okay.
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And so I'm not trying to talk at length here about why Alex isn't in, that's why he's not
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in.
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But the story here is that it's just yet another example of how everything is collapsing now
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in just a year and a half of Democrat control and the Biden White House, just everything
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is collapsing, including the ability to fly stress-free and easily get from one airport
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to the other.
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This is fun for Owen and all, but I don't understand exactly how we're going to make
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this Biden's fault.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Some flights were canceled because of weather conditions and unless you're going to pull
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out weather weapons, I guess that's possible.
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No, we're at the level of like, oh, that's Zeus for you.
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I got struck by lightning.
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What are you going to do?
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That's Zeus.
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You're just saying a name to give cause to your troubles.
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Right.
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And the phenomenon of these heightened levels of cancellation in flights, it wasn't just
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something that was being experienced in the United States, it was across the board in
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the world.
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So I don't know how that's Biden's fault.
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Staffing shortages, there's still COVID running rampant through everything, transmission is
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fucking up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're fucked.
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And flight load is up and there were multiple holiday considerations, it's nonsense.
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The only thing I can really think that Owen could really stick to here is Biden's putting
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out bad vibes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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I would accept that.
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Yeah.
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But even then, that almost undercuts your own argument when you say within a year and
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a half of Biden, it's like Biden has not done shit in a year and a half.
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So if you're complaining about now because of maybe it's because of the recent past.
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No, no.
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Biden's destroyed the airline industry.
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But I mean, he hasn't done anything like almost period.
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It's kind of amazing.
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He's given a lot of money to the military.
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And according to Alex and Info Wars, he can barely talk.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He doesn't know where he is.
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He's also grounding planes.
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Yeah, what is he doing?
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So Jordan, today we're going to be talking about August 5th, 2003.
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We're going to stick around the past, but I have to be honest.
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It's not a very interesting episode.
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There's not a ton that goes on.
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So thankfully, something came to my attention and I would like to give a hat tip to my friend
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Allie about this because she-
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Alexander?
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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Allie Alexander is not my friend.
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Not your friend.
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No hat tips.
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Sorry, I was just checking.
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But Allie brought this to my attention.
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There's a little thing from 1998 that was uncovered on the internet.
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It turns out that in 1998, Alex Jones was hired or maybe, I don't know, maybe he wasn't
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even paid for this.
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Who fucking knows?
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But Alex Jones did a public service announcement.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Like many teenagers who are lured into trouble by the temptation of easy credit, Tina was
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naive about the responsibilities of personal finance.
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Nothing can be more important to a person starting out in life than getting a proper
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understanding of how personal finances work.
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Teenagers are notorious for giving in to their desires without thinking ahead to the consequences.
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Before they know it, teenagers can be in over their heads, owe more money than they can
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pay and have to turn to parents, relatives or outside credit counseling agencies for
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help.
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But that doesn't have to happen to you.
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It doesn't.
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Fiscal responsibility and credit card management for teens.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what could bring me more just like simple pleasure.
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That is so stupid.
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Pre-info wars.
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But Alex had already had like a public access show.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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But I think he founded Info Wars in 99.
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So this is before that.
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But he's still like obviously a weirdo.
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But yeah, this was a PSA that was made by a company called Lucerne Media and they shot
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it at the CBS studio in Austin.
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And Alex is the host for whatever reason.
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Unreal.
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It was a weird, painfully done recreations of like a teen who got a credit card and went
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to the mall and thought they could get everything and you know, it just backfired on them.
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All right.
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All right.
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This is a bit like finding out that Goebbels did a PSA for not leaving your pets in the
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car.
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Yes.
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You know, like, wait, what?
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What are you talking about?
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Definitely.
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No, no, no.
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You can't do that and then turn to evil.
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And it's hilarious too.
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Like he's in a suit.
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No.
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He's super ripped, Alex Jones.
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He's not.
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He's not all that ripped.
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Oh, he's not.
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He's still.
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Okay.
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But he's in the middle stage between bodybuilder and thick necked weirdo.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But he's yeah, he's in a suit and he's standing in front of what would be a green screen,
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but with like a bunch of bills and credit cards on it.
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I'll post a link to the to the video of it because it only has about 300 views right
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now.
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Oh boy.
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It's about to have a lot more.
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It seems to be a much wider scene than this thing.
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Now the question that comes up is at the end of the video, there's a list of the other
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videos in this series and one of them is called herpes it's with you for life.
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That's true.
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And then there's another one about gambling, one about smoking and all the biggest issues.
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It's an open question whether or not Alex hosted all of them.
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And I think that there's a good chance that he did.
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Oh my God.
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Wow.
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I was able to find the smoking one at a library in Danvers, Massachusetts.
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It's on a VHS tape in Massachusetts and I'm getting on a plane.
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Do you know what's great?
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We've got a friend of the show, Sarah Shockey.
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I was talking with her last night.
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There's a friend who's doing VHS to DVD conversions.
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Is that right?
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Are they in Danvers, Massachusetts?
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No, but you could call somebody and have them mail it to you.
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But I don't know if this library in Danvers is going to just be like, oh yeah, here have
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this VHS.
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We're going to have to get you a library card for that library in Danvers, Massachusetts.
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How are we going to do that?
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We'll find a way.
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Well, maybe we have some enterprising listeners in Danvers, Massachusetts.
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We'll see what happens.
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I believe there's another copy of it in Idaho at a library.
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I love America.
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So I want to find all of these and see if Alex is, in fact, the host of all of them
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because it would be truly bizarre to see him talking about the dangers of smoking and drinking
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and herpes.
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Listen, here's the problem.
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The problem is if you get all of them together in one place, then the dragon will emerge
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and you'll be granted a wish, right?
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My wish will already have been granted.
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And that is that I get all of the Alex stones.
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Creating a paradox that you and the dragon just sit there and stare at each other for
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the rest of time.
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I'm fine with that.
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Then I get a new friend.
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Ah, it's a good day.
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Now, look, the upside of this is it's pretty hilarious that this exists.
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It's very funny.
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Now the downside of it is Alex is pretty boring as a PSA pitchman.
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Some companies will get you to sign up with a low late payment fee, then increase the
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fee later on as shown here by a simple mention on your statement.
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This is a legal notice, so be sure to read your statements carefully.
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If your minimum payment due is 15 and you miss the July 4th due date, this company will
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charge you a $29 late fee.
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Another trick is to make a due date on a holiday like this company when no mail will be delivered.
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These are the kinds of things that can add up and make a $10 pizza cost you $100 or more
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in the long run.
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This is pretty boring.
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There's an alternate universe where Alex Jones wears a suit with dollar signs on it and tries
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to sell you grants from the government, man.
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One of the things that I think is really interesting about this is that he's not yelling about
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fiat currency.
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Nope.
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He's not talking about the Federal Reserve.
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No.
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I mean, it is about financial issues, financial literacy for teens, and who needs to know
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more than teens about the Fed?
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I'm going to be honest.
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I had several overdraft fees when I was 19 years old, and I could have been served by
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this PSA.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's an educational program, and it should have made its way to Illinois.
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The problem was I didn't see Alex Jones at the right time in my life.
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That's what's gone on here.
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When he was giving helpful messages.
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When he was giving helpful messages.
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Read your bill.
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Now I imagine a world where this show, you were like, and I know everything about Alex
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Jones, and I'm like, the only thing I know about Alex Jones is how not to get overdraft
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fees on pizza charges.
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The only thing I know about Alex Jones is he saved me $70 when I was a teen.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I just think that it would be really funny if they gave him a little more creative control,
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and he was able to be like, now you read the bill, you make sure that you pay your bill
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on time, and also three senators passed the Federal Reserve to talk to my friend Ron Paul
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about buying gold.
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I don't know.
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I think that would be a more fun way for him to go is to turn his full conspiracy powers
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on just overdraft fees and be like, listen, man, let's get into the weeds, all right?
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There's no reason that they should be able to charge you overdraft fees.
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They're creating this fee in order to make more profits for them.
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And if you know anything about the Bible, you'll know that Jesus said that usury is
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wrong.
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I think if I remember correctly, the big issue that Al Franken championed in that book, Why
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Not Me, where he had his fake run for president, he ran for president and one of his big issues
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was ATM fees.
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Honestly.
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Like getting rid of ATM fees.
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You should.
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So, you know, maybe there is something to that.
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I wouldn't be wrong.
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It galvanizes the public.
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I wouldn't disagree.
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So Alex has some warnings in this PSA, and I think that they come off weird knowing this
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career trajectory.
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That $10 pizza paid for with a bad check can end up costing you $60 or more if that check
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also costs other checks to bounce.
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One of the most important things you can do in life is to maintain a good credit rating.
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As the world becomes more populated and less personal, computerized data is increasingly
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important to establish who and what we are.
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A person's credit rating is one of the first things checked by employers.
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Keep your money on gold!
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And other people who make decisions about your future.
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It seems very weird that he's stressing so much, like you've got to keep your credit
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rating good.
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You've got to have a good credit rating.
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I mean, isn't that like basically the beginnings of the social credit score that he's so worried
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about?
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Totally.
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Or potential employers are going to check your credit score in order to see if you should
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be hired.
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You should be furious about that.
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How is it that you can read the John Birch Society and still do a PSA for financial literacy?
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I'll tell you how, because at the end of the day, the John Birch Society is more about
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the grift than it is about anything fucking else, man.
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And let me tell you this, in 1998, Alex was desperate for any gig that was going to come
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along.
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So he'll do PSAs for things that are essentially incompatible with his world view.
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Well, I mean, he asked his dad for a radio show.
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That's pretty incompatible with his pull yourself up by your bolts.
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Sure.
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Yeah, sure.
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And I mean, the ultimate irony really is, you know, this includes some advice that he
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should have taken himself.
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Oh no.
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The primary way to avoid all of the problems we've mentioned so far is to live by the golden
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rule.
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You have to earn more money than you have.
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That would be good, considering he currently has a business that's $50 million in the hole
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or whatever, even if he does owe the money to his own company or whatever, still ironic
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a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That is nice.
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I don't fully believe in the simulation because if it were real, then we would have heard
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him be like, listen, I'm sorry, but Columbine really happened.
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And if anybody ever claims that a school shooting is a false flag in the future, they're really
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fucked.
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That would be too on the nose.
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Well, you know what would be really weird about that?
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Is that Columbine didn't happen for another year?
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Yes.
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Yeah, that would be weird about that.
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That's not the point.
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It's not the point that the timing's right.
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The point is the coincidence.
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God damn it, dad.
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I get what you're saying, but it would be evidence of larger powers.
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Right, right, right.
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So anyway, that was just a little bit of a delight to experience.
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And I'm glad because it allows us to pad this out a little bit because like I said, August
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5th, 2003, not much going on, but I do think that there are a couple of actually important
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things to bring up and it's good to have them kind of in the immediate time after we talked
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about the last episode because they relate a little bit.
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And here's the first thing, and this actually does, this links back to his episode from
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August 4th.
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I got a bunch of emails about Gary Busey, who I know is a listener to the show because
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he calls my house all the time.
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He's a good guy, knows about the New World Order, kind of a wild man though.
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And I got a bunch of emails about Gary Busey on his show on Comedy Central talking about
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the New World Order and saying, I can't talk about it on this show, but it's all in Police
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State 2000 because Gary's gotten the videos.
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He got the videos and contacted me and was, a lot of folks out in Hollywood, well you
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know Mel Gibson's dad and Mel Gibson have seen the films and they know about the New
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World Order and there's quite a few other people.
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No offense to Gary Busey, but I wouldn't use him as a citation when I was trying to list
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people who believe the same crazy stuff I believe.
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Sure.
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I understand Busey is famous, but associating him with your ideas kind of makes me trust
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your ideas even less.
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It's fun that Alex is saying that the Gibson family knows about the New World Order though.
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We talked about Hutton Gibson, Mel's father, and his horrible antisemitic comments on our
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last 2003 episode, but this actually deserves a little revisiting.
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The point that Alex is making is that Hutton Gibson knows about the New World Order.
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This definitively means that Alex is asserting that he and Hutton Gibson are of the same
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mind about this globalist conspiracy and that's a huge fucking problem.
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In an interview from 2004 on a show called Speaker Peace, Hutton Gibson did expound on
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his thoughts about the New World Order and here's what he said.
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Oh boy.
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Quote, the Federal Reserve and those foreign bankers who own our currency and charge us
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for it.
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The foreign bankers who run the International Reserve like the Rothschilds and their allies
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in this country like the Rockefellers who were Jews and others who owned the money.
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There's a book out not too long ago listing the big Jewish families in the country which
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lists the Rockefellers as Jewish and there was no protest.
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At another point he says, quote, I don't know what the Jews' agenda is except that it's
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all about control.
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They're after one world religion and one world government.
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Alex is an idiot, but he's not this kind of an idiot.
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He knows what Hutton Gibson thinks the New World Order is and he's signaling his agreement
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here.
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On the one hand, this could be indicative of Alex's own crypto antisemitism, but that
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would be difficult to prove definitively.
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It's easy to point to a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but that doesn't speak to what's
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inside his head.
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What I think is more important is that you better believe that any antisemitic or neo-Nazi
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leading listeners know what Hutton Gibson believes and hearing Alex express that they're
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on the same page, it serves as a wink to that community that while you might say globalist
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and pretend he's not a bigot, he's only doing that because he can't get away with saying
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what he actually knows and believes on the air because he'll get in trouble.
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And just to clarify, Hutton had been self-publishing a newsletter titled The War Is Now since 1994,
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so a lot of his beliefs, they weren't a private matter, even if a lot of it didn't become
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the subject of mainstream public debate until around the time of Passion of the Christ.
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He was still a figure that was known in those circles.
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So I find this to be a little fucked up.
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It does feel like Alex has a chaotic, you know those alignment charts, you know, Lawful
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Good, Lawful Nude, Alex just has all the chaotic alignments locked up, he's got like Busey
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on hand, he's got the Nugent right next to him, he's got Charlie Sheen, anything chaotic,
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blank.
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Alex has a whole cadre of people to fill that alignment.
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Who's chaotic good?
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Kinky Friedman?
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I mean, what, Bill Ayers?
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Is he chaotic though?
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Weather Underground was pretty fucking chaotic.
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Formerly chaotic.
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Alright, I'll give him that.
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I don't know if he's all that chaotic now.
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Now he's very not chaotic, he's very lawful, Lawful Good, borderline lawful neutral at
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these stages.
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But also, Alex doesn't have him, he just showed up one time for a bizarre interview.
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I mean, Christopher Walken, how about that?
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He showed up.
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That was an accident.
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It was an accident, but he's still there.
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He was just cooking dinner with Belzer.
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Cooking with the Bells!
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So on our last episode, Alex talked a little bit about this idea that Jay Leno was going
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to have a makeover by the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.
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This was somehow the gay agenda run amok.
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Alex touches back on this story, but now he's completely changed it.
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And by the way, I read yesterday, out of the big advertising consortium news, about how
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the homosexual groups are paying to have product placement on Jay Leno's TV show.
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They pay to have a pro-homosexual message.
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So the story that he was covering yesterday, or on the last episode, he whiffed.
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He messed up.
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Now it's completely different.
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The actual article is about how Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was pulling big ratings
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and sponsors were paying a lot to get product placements on the show, and it was also mentioned
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that Jay Leno was going to get a makeover from them.
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Obviously, the reasons Jay would want to do this is because he wants to associate himself
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with something popular and make himself appear to be more with the times.
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Or maybe he has an agent with a connection to the producers of Queer Eye.
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Whatever the case, it's a marketing opportunity for him.
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Jess didn't understand this story, or he willfully misrepresented it on the last show,
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and now that he's created a touchstone for the audience, he's writing a completely new
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story that has no connection to reality at all.
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Apparently now, this article is supposed to be about gay groups paying for product placement
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on Jay Leno's show.
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I'm not sure what that even means, but the point is to imply that there's no organic
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popularity to anything that involves gay people.
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Anytime you see anything that involves gay people existing on TV or in pop culture, it's
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only because special interest groups have paid off the producers to include that content.
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This isn't as blunt and clearly bigoted as him just saying that he hates gay people,
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but this is no less homophobic.
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The mentality that Alex is advancing is one that really does look at the public existence
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and popularity of media relating to LGBTQ issues or people as a conspiracy with subversive
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aims.
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It's disgusting, and this kind of thing should really be well remembered when Alex is doing
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his bullshit song and dance in the present day about how he's tolerant on gay issues
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but at the same time violently anti-trans.
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He's just faking whatever tolerance he presents until it's safe for him to attack gay people
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again.
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That's the song and dance, the game that he's doing, and it's pathetic.
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And it should be so simple and easy to see through any kind of like, oh, the gay agenda
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with cultural, like, fine, I mean, listen to a Queen song, do you like that or not like
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that?
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What do you want?
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What do you want out of culture?
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What do you want out of culture?
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Guess what?
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If you look at it, honestly, it's going to be a lot gay.
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Freddie Mercury was only acting gay because the gay groups made him do it.
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They paid him off.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All of your favorite songs, 40% made by somebody on the LGBTQ space, period.
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Period, at least.
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Yeah.
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The, yeah, what he's doing is pretty fucked up.
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And when you really look at it and you recognize that the story that he's basing this on is
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just about like companies wanting to pay for product placement space on a popular show.
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It's remarkable that he's able to make this level of homophobic content out of something
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that has nothing to do with it.
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Absolutely.
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No, it's because it's, that's the editorial agenda.
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That's the goal that he has with his content.
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I mean, you can, God, it could go back so much further just to listen to somebody listening
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to like the fucking shadow and hearing an ad for just baby wipes being like, oh, these
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women are putting ads on the goddamn stuff.
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Like I don't know.
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They might.
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I bet they did.
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Yeah.
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I bet they did.
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I bet there was a woman's pants ad that made the entire country explode for a couple of
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weeks.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So Alex takes some calls and this isn't all that meaningful, but I thought it was kind
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of funny.
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Uh, Walt in Michigan.
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Go ahead, Walt.
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Hello, Alex.
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Yeah.
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Good to talk to you.
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Yeah.
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Good to talk to you, son.
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How you doing?
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Pretty good.
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Listen, uh, I just had a little conversation with Joseph Farah on the phone.
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He says he doesn't know who you are.
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Pardon me?
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He says he doesn't know who you are.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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He says his website is a business and I confronted him about, um, and cultures, uh, book being
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advertised on his website.
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And uh, he's, I tried to explain to him what, you know, how she mistreated people on your,
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on your talk show the other day, I've interviewed Farah, Farah has run 10 stories with, with,
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with my plus with myself in them and uh, I've talked to Farah's wife.
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I've had folks on, so Joseph Farah told you he didn't know who Alex Jones was.
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That's correct.
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Ooh.
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That's heartbreaking.
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Yeah.
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That's heartbreaking.
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But then Alex is like, I've interviewed him a bunch.
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I know his wife.
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He knows who I am.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He gets real up in his head about it.
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No, no, no.
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I would feel, I would feel pretty terrible if somebody was like, ah man, you're your
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first ex-girlfriend.
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She doesn't even remember your name anymore.
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That's intense.
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That would break my heart.
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The guy from WorldNetDaily knows who I am.
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Damn it.
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That's, that's about the same in terms of how much he cares.
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So this call, uh, ends, uh, and they go to commercial and they come back from commercial
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and here's where, here's what Alex says.
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Look folks, I'll just say, prior to George Bush being elected WorldNetDaily, about 80%
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of their stories were hard hitting, very important.
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And now it's gone the other way, neocon dripping from it, they've got a lot of good writers
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though still that have some good issues.
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At least they report on what the federal government's doing and some of the police state measures,
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but overall, I mean, they will not criticize Lord Bush.
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A caller called and said that he had a personal conversation with Joseph Farah that was insulting
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to me.
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I am going to impugn one of my primary sources of information.
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The pettiest fucking dick.
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No reason to do that.
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Just had to.
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Just had to.
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Could not stop himself from being like, there is no reason to believe that this caller actually
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talked to Joseph Farah.
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No.
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Why would you?
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No.
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No.
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But instantaneously, how dare he?
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You know, WorldNetDaily sucks now.
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How about that?
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But he also is doing this so strategically where he can still like accept, like just
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using WorldNetDaily content because they have some good writers still.
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Oh no, I love, I love every, it's like a, it's like a progressive DA, you know, like
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oh I love everything that they stand for.
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I don't like the word progressive or DA, so I'm going to get rid of them.
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It's entirely just a guy who's been wounded, he's hurt, and he needs to lash out.
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Just lashing out.
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It's cute.
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Just stabbing people.
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Such a sad man.
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That is so pathetic.
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It is.
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That is so pathetic.
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But it is not even close to the levels of pathetic we're about to get to.
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Oh no.
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It gets worse?
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I would say a large portion of this episode is circling around the idea of a Malcolm in
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the Middle episode that Alex has not watched, but someone emailed him about.
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Okay, now hold on.
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If I understand this correctly, we're pre-Breaking Bad Cranstoning, and that's an Infowars show.
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A lot of it, yes.
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So here is Alex complaining about this episode of Malcolm in the Middle.
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You're going to need to say that one more time.
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That Alex seems to think is about him.
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This is an email I read in the last hour.
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It says, I happen to be watching Malcolm in the Middle last night when my kids and it
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seems your broadcasts have been made the butt of the ridiculous dumb-down humor of the show.
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It seems that the loser father figure on the show has been made out to be some sort of
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freak with a clandestine radio broadcasting station.
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He mentioned some issues you might have brought up, was using terms like military industrial
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complex.
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He was no way to find those out and was talking about other really lame, unrelated, dribble,
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etc.
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Naturally, the government boys show up in black van and chase him down on foot and generally
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made a real fool out of him, hauling him away.
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So I would guess this is supposed to equate anyone who wants to call attention to the
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atrocities of our government in the minds of normal Americans are really just weird
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freaks to be laughed at and it's all over the sitcoms, all over the dramas.
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There is just like, I've noticed a trend that I have kind of now and that is I'll listen
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to Alex and my response in my head will just be like, grow up man, what are you doing?
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This is ridiculous.
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Oh yeah.
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So this episode of Malcolm in the Middle is called Garage Sale and the premise of it is
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that the dad, Hal, they're having a garage sale, the family, and going through the garage
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he finds his old radio transmitter that he used back when he was in college.
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Sure, so he's doing the shortwave.
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He's doing a pirate radio show where he called himself Kid Charlemagne and he would talk
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about goings on on campus.
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That's what you gotta do to be cool.
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Yeah, and so he tries to recreate his old youth and so he takes back on the title of
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Kid Charlemagne and starts ranting about stuff.
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That's exactly like Alex Jones.
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Right.
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Kid Charlemagne.
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So he's sitting in his backyard doing this show and then he's going about his life and
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he starts becoming a little bit more paranoid and he gets pulled over by the police for
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running a stop sign and he thinks it has something to do with his show and then he creates an
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entire campaign against this single stop sign and so his shows start becoming about this
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stop sign.
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Okay.
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And he does not say the military industrial complex.
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What?
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He says the military industrial country club complex because it's a stop sign that the
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country club would put in.
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So it's not even, oh my god.
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So the yard sale, the garage sale ends up happening and somebody buys the transmitter
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and so the dad gets in the car with the person, with the transmitter so he can keep doing
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his show and then there's a black van following them and so he ends up getting a ticket for
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doing an unlicensed radio show.
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Sure, sure.
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It has nothing to do with like the content that he was putting out and he doesn't get
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dragged off into a van.
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Right that's the central humor of it is that he thinks it has something to do with the
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content whereas it actually doesn't.
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It's just it's a pirate radio show that's not licensed.
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So if you were say somebody who I don't know has a radio show that you feel like was lambasted
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by that particular program the only reason that you would be lambasted were if you were
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to react in the exact same way that Alex did.
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Yeah it's almost like Alex is embodying the thing that's being satirized after the fact
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which is really sad.
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It's really sad.
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Yeah no when a clown throws a pie right and it hits you in the face you're like oh man
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I got hit in the face by a clown with a pie that's hilarious but whenever you run as fast
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as you can towards a pie and then slam your face in it and go why did a clown throw this
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at me?
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Right and then you scream but this is indicative of societal issues.
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Absolutely everybody's clowns all of these pies are always in my face all these god damn
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it's just pathetic.
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Man I do I can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if every time I saw like a movie
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with a podcast on it and they were like this idiot is an asshole and I was like oh man
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that's exactly like me.
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This is an attack on me.
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And it's like no no no the reason that you identify with that is if you are an asshole
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you bet.
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Yeah it's a little bit of self consciousness coming out and like obviously later on there
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are instances of TV characters even like J Jonah Jameson who are obviously definitely
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based on Alex.
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No that's 100%.
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This is not.
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In 2003 they were not Alex was not that big that he would be something worth satirizing
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but there is already like an like sort of an image of a pirate radio host and this did
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exist in the zeitgeist before Alex.
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Sealab 2021 had an episode where Captain Murphy was a pirate radio host it wasn't about Alex
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Jones they had an episode where.
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News radio.
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Exactly.
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Yeah but yeah there's something that predates Alex and Alex is just pretending it's all
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about himself.
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Yeah.
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Because he's a sad sad man.
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Who never really grew past the point where he should be doing PSAs about credit cards.
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Right.
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Honestly.
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Well you know be narcissistic about the level of fame you want not about the level of fame
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you have.
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You know what I'm saying?
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That's wise.
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Yeah that'll get you to the top.
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So anyway a caller calls in and describes the episode of Malcolm in the Middle and Alex
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is trying to make this really important.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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You realize how serious this is people?
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Serious.
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Let's go back to Mitch in Indiana so Mitch you saw this episode the pathetic mindless
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father figure the woman slaps him around his kids make fun of him he's the idiot again
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Fox always has that message so conservative so good what else happened on the show well
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I guess he had that radio transmitter from his college days so uh and uh they were cleaning
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out the garage for a garage sale and he happened to come about it so that's how he uh got set
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up in the business again business be more granular uh stop sign and uh he blamed that
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on the uh rich people for putting that stop sign there because it was at the end of their
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driveway for their uh golf course is Alex gonna end up liking this episode well he he
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was uh talking about that on the radio about how to I guess uh like glass warfare or whatever
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and uh I don't know yeah it was pretty it was pretty wacky and then a black van pulls
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up and grabs him and what do they say to him the men in black what do they say well about
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he's in violation uh as far as I can regularly he was a violation of FCC rules so basically
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we have a tv ad against patriots and a tv ad uh in in this stupid sitcom to break down
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the family against micro transmitters I mean this is how out of control it's getting thanks
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for the call man it's remarkable to think that people feel like folks like Alex can't
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take a joke yeah and this isn't even a joke directed at him really no no no this is this
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is so fucking stupid yeah yeah yeah that's that's uh that's a radio show where you call
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in to your grandma and explain movies to her right and Alex is talking about let's be clear
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he's talking about an episode of malcolm in the middle he has not he has not seen not
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seen this caller has seen and Alex is very seriously asking him what do the men in black
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say to the father yes yes again let's get some dialogue again to try and make a big
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deal out of struggling to find out why this is being treated as though it actually happened
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slow news day baby he's like he's like listen tell me what the men in black said in the
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tv show that we were watching that i didn't watch that i didn't see what someone what
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did the men in black say that someone emailed me about that i have third hand information
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of jesus wow what a petty loser yep oh my god so uh alex has a guest i'm glad he grew
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up in the intervening 20 years yeah definitely it's great so alex has two guests on this
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show one of them is jack mclam who's a guy who started the uh police against the new
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world order uh organization sure and he's like a big patriot figure uh-huh and his interview
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is meaningless and i don't really care about it right but he does bring up that he hasn't
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been a cop since 1986 when he retired because he got injured in 1986 ah and that he says
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it's 22 years prior but it's 17 years prior sure so i don't know what the discrepancy
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is there but he says 22 multiple times five years is a difference so he was born in 1945
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and so that means that he retired from the police at 41 years old yeah i believe yeah
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you know maybe give or take a year and he was in the military so he was only a cop for
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like 10 years probably yeah and it had been over 17 that he'd been a weirdo conspiracy
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theorist cashing in on this career cop right i always thought like this guy was like somebody
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who had decades on the force no and then retired with like this expertise and how everything
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works within the police department right no he was a cop for 10 years maybe right like
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i know that's not a like a short time but it's it's not stolen valor but it's it's you
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borrowed without asking valor here's a problem here's a problem with that is it appears that
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he was probably a cop for a very short time got injured on the job and then has received
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a pension for the past 50 goddamn years with which he has run a weird destroy the very
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country that pays him yeah so this interview isn't that interesting except for the fact
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that i was like wait this math is strange yeah um i i had always thought that he was
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a cop much more recently than 1986 um oh man back in my day we used to only follow hunches
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that was our policy man i saw this episode of malcolm in the middle about a cop who retired
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17 years wait hold on wait a second um so his other guest is this guy so we we talked
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about this on a 2003 episode a couple back uh the policy analysis market was this thing
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that the dod was putting together where they would have experts who could bet on right
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the idea of future things that could happen right like uh foreign leaders who would be
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deposed things like that it was a market-based approach to trying to predict trends right
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it was not a thing where people could make millions of dollars in swiss bank accounts
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but that's the way alex has covered it um two democratic senators were really mad about
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this and so they brought attention to it and the project uh was cancelled before it even
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began right what i think you mean to say is that uh honorable far-right patriots came
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together and their voices were loud enough that those two democratic senators were drowned
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out but they still stopped the bill anyway that's the story that'll probably be told
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yeah uh in coming years yeah um however alex has a guy on who has created a parody of the
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policy analysis market now we're golden yeah the bob oster tag is our guest serious about
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this they're starting the american action market and basically they save the pentagon
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darpa convicted felon run insider trading betting parlor website and have heard it around
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to what it really is betting on where the u.s government will carry out pair next who
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they will invade next what dictators about to go off the cie payroll and will be attacked
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next so it's a very very interesting i'm sure you heard about the betting parlor that we're
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going to have on dead americans what u.s city will be nuked where smallpox will be released
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in the next year oh hey guess what um even if i think this didn't get off the ground
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either but like even if it did like how does this not have the exact same problem that
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you're complaining about the dod for doing or darpa for doing like if you're somebody
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who's betting on hey the government's gonna pull a false flag at x y or z place i'm gonna
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bet a million dollars on it yeah what's stopping you from doing it yeah can't you just do that
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terrorist attack then and cash in on it sure like doesn't this have the same stupid problem
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that alex is identifying yeah yeah you know when you bring it up like that it makes sense
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but uh on the other hand how about we score minor political points for no reason on something
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that won't happen and it isn't happening yeah exactly discussing this how the project is
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never gonna happen yeah yeah absolutely but there is an issue about how odds are set you
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know like okay but who the bookmakers are exactly okay that's actually a really good
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question so this uh this guest is the bookie the guest does explain that okay i mean i wonder who's
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gonna set the odds because it's almost guaranteed they're gonna attack somebody else during the
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election well they are said they are and we got penac documents they the odds will be set up
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like a horse race oh so uh the odds will be determined by how many people bet in which
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direction so for example if uh oh my god bet on which country we're going to attack next
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and uh a thousand people bet a hundred dollars each on iran and a hundred people bet a hundred
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dollars each on uh north korea then the odds will be 10 to 1 in favor of uh iran that simple folks
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that sounds like a normal thing to do well you see this is uh this will actually produce what the
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pentagon said they hoped to get in other words because the odds will deter the odds that every
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any given moment will reflect the collective wisdom of the people who are participating in
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the market as to what the united states is going to do next this is entirely stupid because it
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actually does the opposite it it it cuts out the entire point of the policy analysis market which
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was it would only be open to people who have expertise and then it would be a market-based
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trend forecaster in theory based on people who have expertise and a lot of knowledge around uh
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policy issues around foreign uh relations issues right by opening it up to people who are just
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looking to gamble or whatever that's an insane thing to do you have basically taken it and and
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and added a randomness to the information that you'd be able to derive from it now secondarily
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the issue that you have with this is like what country are we going to attack next north korea
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or iran you have a bunch of people betting on it what if it's neither what happens then does the
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house get the money of course and obviously there's a vig like the house gets something
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naturally they get a taste of course otherwise what's the point of running the the bookmarking
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operation so the entire thing really if you look at it is this guy doing an ad for his gambling
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operation yeah that is essentially a a grift a grip what what are you talking this is one of
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those so stupid ideas that you have to stop somebody before they start trying to talk about it
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because they are trying you can see clearly him see him like a horse race he's trying to explain
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it to himself in a way that doesn't sound incredibly stupid and alex's only response is
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that's a normal thing like a normal thing to do what is happening yeah yeah hey here's what
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we're gonna do like that's another thing with the original policy with the original pam you know
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it's like that is only something that incredibly smart people would think up to avoid doing the
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thing that they already know is the actual solution you know like if you wanted to if
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you wanted to do good stuff for everybody you could but that doesn't make you personally as
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much money so let's try a market-based idea of how to figure out whether or not a war is gonna happen
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not like let's not fight wars right and it may not be necessarily if a war is gonna happen but
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regions where there's the most likely uh uh place that outbursts sure sure sure sure but like i i
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think that i think that actually this caller does really highlight or not caller it feels like a
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caller but he's a guest yeah um it does highlight um how bad of an idea this is uh as a whole yeah
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but the the policy analysis market itself makes sense somewhat because well it makes sense in
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theory yes yes yes that's a better way of putting it practice it may not right but it only makes
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sense because of the restricted user pool it doesn't make sense right uh based uh the version
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that alex is covering and reporting the fake version of it where it's like a get rich scheme
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for right for people who have inside information or whatever that doesn't make sense yeah yeah and
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presenting it as an open gambling market for people like it it does reveal how dumb yeah yeah
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dumb this is yeah there's it's not a short squeeze it's a war squeeze all the people who bet against
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the war lost our yeah whatever and if alex's whole point too is that it's distasteful like
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isn't this and that's why i'm gonna bring this guy on here to take your money in a different way
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i i i just don't understand no that's absurd so anyway uh this episode like i said thin thin
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it's light quite thin yeah he's not bringing too much beyond oh malcolm in the middle no yeah not
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a lot going on and honestly um you know with the uh waiting for alex to show up i thought he'd be
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back and so you know that uh was a bit disappointing um that psa was you know certainly coming into my
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life beautiful pretty exciting beautiful um and yeah so we said we would have a wednesday episode
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and i did we did we did unlike alex jones promising to be back we delivered right exactly
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because i had backup travel plans i charted a helicopter to get to my own apartment exactly
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that's the way you get it done not sitting in belarus business hiding out trying to record
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another psa about how you shouldn't smoke dead wax sons right yeah uh anyway we'll be back on friday
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with uh i guess we'll see we'll see what happens on friday if not anticipate if not we'll have
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something that's a little thicker than alex complaining about malcolm in the fucking middle
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uh but until then jordan we do indeed it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter
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we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed jordan yep we'll be back
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but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i hope you all have a wonderful dreamy creamy summer
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and now here comes the sex robot andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding
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hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you
