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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight.
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Dan and Jordan.
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Knowledgefight.
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Riddle her.
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Riddle her.
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Riddle her.
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Need money.
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Riddle her.
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Riddle her.
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Riddle her.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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Let's sit around to worship the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question.
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Forgot your name for a second.
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That's fine.
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2022, who are you?
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Eh, we'll come up with something.
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today is I put a new cover art on the show.
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This is an image that was sent to us a while back by a guy named Jack Kay.
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Not Jack Kay, the actress.
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No.
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Jack Kay.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Set this design.
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I really liked it and I've been thinking about freshening things up and it was our anniversary
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for the show.
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Sure.
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Brand new world.
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I thought the timing is perfect and I figured out what I'd been doing wrong in terms of
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why our like really old cover art was showing up in like Apple Podcasts and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because it's been appearing.
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I sized the image wrong it turns out and apparently it was outside of the range of what iTunes
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and Apple Podcasts accepts.
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So I figured like fuck it, let's one fell swoop and so thanks to Jack that image is
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really great and I appreciate that people are really enjoying it and I love looking
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at it as well.
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Yeah, it is.
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There's so many things to find in there.
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It's really great.
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Yep.
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Some people are very confused by the pink guitar.
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That's a deep cut.
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It's true.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's like a...
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And we will not explain it.
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Never.
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So yeah, what about you?
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My bright spot, Dan, is I saw The Eternals.
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Okay.
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That Marvel movie.
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I heard that was bad.
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Garbage.
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Absolute garbage.
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Yeah.
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Really, really terrible.
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But there's one moment in the film where, and part of the reason is bad is it is incomprehensible
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and what's comprehensible, incredibly stupid about their backstory.
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Sure.
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Well, they're eternal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So apparently one of the deviants slowly, there's supposed to be this race of monster
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and The Eternals fight him and blah, blah, blah, you know the whole deal, right?
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So one of them gained sentience, right?
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And slowly starts to think and feel and has thoughts after absorbing one of these dudes.
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All right.
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So they find out that the God that created them both has really just been like playing
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ants and pushing them and making them fight this whole time, right?
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So the guy that gained sentience is like, hey, fuck this noise, let's team up and go
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after the real guy.
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We're just pawns in his dumb game.
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We're the people who are victims here, both of us, you and me, right?
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Was that Kamale?
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No, no, no.
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Okay.
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Kamale was one of The Eternals.
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Okay.
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So then they brutally murder this guy who had just gained sentience and was 100% correct
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about everything.
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Uh-huh.
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Oh, so The Eternals more...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, no.
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And this movie is bad because the only good guy in this movie was murdered immediately.
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By the ostensible heroes.
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By the ostensible good guys.
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And what made it my bright spot though is that in a way, I think it was an unintended
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microcosm of the Marvel machine.
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The one bright spot that said, listen, we can break through of this goddamn orthodox
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storytelling method.
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This is all made up of bullshit.
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We're just fighting for no reason.
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We got to change things.
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Murdered.
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And it's like, yeah, man, you nailed it.
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I'm glad that you dug deep and found some meaning in that movie.
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I did.
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I did.
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I've not seen it.
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So when I say I heard it's bad, I'm just basing it off.
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Don't ever see it.
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Random tweets.
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Real bad.
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I might have skimmed past.
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Real bad.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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We're going to go back into the past, not to 2003, but we're going to take a separate
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journey today because I was thinking about it and like, I don't want to fucking talk
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more about these same stupid conspiracy, like the COVID conspiracies, and I don't want to
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talk about like James O'Keefe, Project Veritas put out a video.
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Boo.
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I don't care.
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Who gives a shit?
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I don't want to hear about it.
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We're done.
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Yeah.
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Rand Paul got into a little fight with Fauci again.
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I don't care.
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Was he debating me?
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Then fuck off.
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Alex is probably going to have a fit.
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I don't care.
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So I just was like, I had the present day.
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I got to let it, let it simmer for a little bit.
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You're never going to do better than on Monday, the who's the most important person in the
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world.
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We can't follow it up.
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We can't follow it up.
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No.
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No.
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So I needed to go back to the past on a little bit of an excursion based on some, some things
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that I've stumbled across online and I want to explore some ideas that I had about them.
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But before we get down to business on all of that, let's take a little moment to say
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thank you and hello to some new wonks.
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So first Candy and Anzus, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks Candy.
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Thank you.
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Next, I am now the scout wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Keon, the trisexual ant being.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Next, Keon.
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Thank you.
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Next, the common Florida burb guy.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And Joshua Kimball, who wonders if he ever crossed paths with Dan in the movie theaters
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of Columbia, Missouri in the mid and late 2000s.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I would say there's a decent chance, I guess.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Jordan, so look, here's the other downside of this episode.
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We're recording this on Thursday.
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Yes, indeed.
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And we just got news that Stuart Rhodes got arrested.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That one was kind of big.
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And boy, I would love to talk about that.
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Yeah, instead we're going back to July 23rd, 1860, the first time we talked about a civil
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war.
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The first time Stuart Rhodes got arrested.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I think that Alex's response to this will be very illuminating, very interesting.
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And I can't wait to talk about that on Monday.
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It frustrates me that there's no way for us to do that for this episode.
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I'm broadcasting from Paraguay for no reason.
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So I was going back through some of the archives and such of Alex's shows and other things
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on Info Wars.
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And one of the things I noticed was there's a bit of a pattern as it relates to how public
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health crises are covered.
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And so I noticed a number of things surrounding, in particular, the end of April in 2009, which
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is when the H1N1 swine flu pandemic was really getting going and the first cases were identified.
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Yes, I remember that.
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And I started to recognize there are some things that would be well worth our time to
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look at as it relates to Alex's behavior in the present day and draw some connections
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and threads.
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Almost like maybe there's a template.
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Almost.
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So I want to start off with a little bit of a comment, and that is that I mean in no way
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to minimize the impact of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak in this episode.
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I'm not minimizing or belittling it.
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It was a serious public health event and a lot of people got sick and died.
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But I think it's very clear from history that it wasn't as severe an event as what we're
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living through in the present.
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The point of this episode that I put together today is to look at some of Alex's coverage
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from the early days of H1N1 or the swine flu outbreak to highlight the ways that his rhetoric
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was almost identical to the ways he behaved in the early days of the COVID pandemic at
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the beginning of 2020.
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Alex's tone has changed a bit since that point, but it's my contention that he's only had
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to change his rhetoric because he fucked up.
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Over the course of this, I'm going to argue that Alex has a method of responding to things
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like novel outbreaks that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of the situation, but
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is actually motivated by the utility that this method has in terms of building and pushing
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predetermined narratives.
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These central narratives are the virus is man-made, it's a bioweapon, it was deployed
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in order to put in martial law, it was deployed in order to make people get vaccines, and
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that the vaccines will be mandated and they're secretly meant to hurt you.
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In addition to these narratives, I contend that Alex also uses some hallmark techniques
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in order to reinforce his narratives, and uses set strategies in order to get his message
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out.
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Through examining a few broadcasts from 2009, I believe that all this is pretty clearly
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borne out, and I hope that looking at this will be helpful in terms of understanding
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how meaningless Alex's stories about the present pandemic really are.
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Earlier I said Alex's narratives about COVID are so convoluted and like all over the map
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right now because he fucked up, and what I mean by that is this.
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In the past, Alex was able to maximize his outcomes by following basically the same script
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that he used at the beginning of the COVID outbreak.
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In these instances, whether it was the avian flu in 2005, Ebola in 2014, or H1N1 in 2009,
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the public health response was competent, and we got lucky, so the diseases didn't end
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up causing the sort of social disruption that we've seen in the last few years.
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That's the sweet spot for someone like Alex to work in.
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There's a legitimate public health concern that he can spread bullshit about, but the
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adults working on the actual problems are still able to get their work done to avert
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any real, long-running troubles.
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Alex gets to fear monger, make a ton of unfounded claims, and then when things die down he can
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move on to another subject altogether.
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In fact, because things are being competently handled, he doesn't even really have to make
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a story like H1N1 the number one story in his rotation every day over and over again.
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Alex would have had every expectation based on every single time he's done this in the
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past that COVID would go the same way, but it didn't, and he stuck.
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I believe that had things gone poorly in the past in other instances, he would see a similar
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deterioration of Alex trying to stay, keep his grip on the narrative as things just spiral
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out of control.
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I mean, obviously the most important, not most important, but definitely not coincidental
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thing is that the president that he wanted was in the White House at the time that he
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did not get what he wanted in a way that made it look like he got what he wanted.
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Is this irony?
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It is not irony so much as a self-fulfilling failure prophecy.
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Is it more a set irony?
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It could be.
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So we're going to start here looking at an episode of Jason Burmese's show, The Info
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Warrior.
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Interesting.
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Jason Burmese back in the fold now, he was of course one of the guys who made Loose Change,
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him and Alex, I guess, became best friends.
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Forever.
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I honestly think if you look back at some of the earlier times in Info Wars history,
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like around these, you know, 2008, 2009, this stretch of time, Alex owes a lot to Jason
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Burmese in terms of, first of all, Loose Change.
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Sure.
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Second, he was the guy who would fill in for Alex when Alex had no other employees.
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And he was the person who Alex had like as another show, when there were no other shows
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on the Info Wars Network in quotes.
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Right, right, right.
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So Jason Burmese has this show, The Info Warrior, that's evenings, it's an evening show.
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And on this April 27th, 2009 episode, Alex is filling in because Jason is running late.
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And so Alex gets into a little bit of news about the H1N1.
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So I would ask the Genesis Network folks up there, if you get on the line and somebody
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is not from Mexico or doesn't have family in Mexico or not from San Antonio or other
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areas, where there are outbreaks of this, we would ask folks to call in later, just
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in the next hour after we get some of these calls from Mexico or areas affected by this
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new designer virus is exactly what it looks like.
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So we have a presentation already, like this is days after the first cases are identified
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in the United States, pretty shortly after the news had broken of the first cases in
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Mexico.
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And already, this is pre-determined to be a designed virus, this is manufactured, they
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did this, they cooked this shit up.
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It's a formula, it's a knee-jerk reaction.
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It really was like he didn't even think about it, it was just like, oh, he doesn't even
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know how to speak of viruses that aren't designed, like the idea of, oh, the designer virus,
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the flu.
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I think a lot of times you could look at any wild-born virus or disease and you could find
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something suspicious about it, like you could probably find something that's weird about
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most diseases that-
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Well, I mean, viruses are weird in the first place, they're alive, but they're not alive,
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what does that even fucking mean?
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You guys are driving me crazy.
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Sure, but you could find something to cast suspicion on, and in this case it's that there
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are elements of swine, avian, and human flu influences that make up this new novel condition.
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But that's not that surprising.
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Especially not now.
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Well, experts and scientists and researchers who weighed in on it, even at the time, they
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talk about recombining that happens when one, let's say one pig is infected with multiple
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viruses, they will trade genetic information, and you can end up with the genetic information
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of various different flus combining into one, and so that's basically as much as he has
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for this was designed, it's because there's these hallmarks of three different types of
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flu.
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It's a weak argument, but that's stamped in the narrative immediately.
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Instant.
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And once you know that it's designed, we gotta ask yourself some other questions about it.
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Who designed it?
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Also, is swine flu a biological weapon?
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Excellent article that is up on prisonplanet.com that Burmus is going to be going over.
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Another one, is swine flu a biological weapon again, that was the printer friendly version
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of that.
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Yeah, you just gotta stop overprinting here, man.
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I mean-
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He acts like he's reading two headlines, but it's the same article.
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Is he considered the overhead that comes along with the amount of toner he uses?
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It's gotta be huge.
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I mean, it's crazy.
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Yeah, when I was making the buttons that I sent out, it was-
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Every time you bought ink, you were like, what?
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It was at expense.
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It was ridiculous.
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Yes.
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There's no way that this is okay.
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No, and he's doing this every day.
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What are these stacks about?
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Oof.
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Empty paper.
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Yeah, and some of them are even like color printed too.
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And unreal, you are throwing money away.
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So it's probably not surprising, but this headline that Alex is reading suggesting that
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swine flu could be a biological weapon was written by Paul Joseph Watson.
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Paul is hip by this point in 2009 and seems to be aware that he should probably cover
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his ass.
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So this article starts like this, quote, there are some factors that suggest the swine flu
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killing people in Mexico may be a biological weapon, but obviously no such conclusion can
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be drawn at this time.
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Oh man.
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Well done, Paul.
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Wow.
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The lead of Paul's story is that there's no conclusive answer, but wouldn't it be fun
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to spend the next 12 or so paragraphs heavily insinuating that you don't have a conclusive
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answer but you think that the swine flu probably is a biological weapon?
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That sounds fun.
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Yeah!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So the article that Paul has written largely relies on an alleged source who spoke to former
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regular Infowars guest Wayne Madsen.
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Wayne is one of Alex's old best buddies, and he was the guy who broke that story about
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Hillary Clinton's personal chef being found dead with a note attached to him that said
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call Larry Nichols.
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So you know that this dude is credible as hell.
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He's the good shit.
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He stopped talking to Alex a little bit after Alex went all in for Trump, since Wayne was
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a conspiracy lunatic, but probably sensed that that was bad for his brand.
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Wayne's source apparently told him that he was quote, convinced that the current outbreak
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of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result
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of an introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic
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with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and
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commerce.
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Paul plays with the nice edge, stressing that it's too early to say anything with certainty,
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but also ends the article with this paragraph.
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Quote, fears that a mass pandemic was being readied as a biological attack have rumbled
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on in the conspiracy community ever since 9-11.
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Investigators point to the highly unusual number of deaths of top microbiologists to
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suggest that people with knowledge of the program are being eliminated.
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That's funny.
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That's a fun, since 9-11.
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democracy minded people have said that about every virus since fucking before they threw
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dead bodies into castles.
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They were like, Oh, those guys are manmade that virus.
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Well, and I mean, I think, you know, you see, you see historical like, I think that 1918
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was prior to 9-11.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yes.
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That's it.
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It's a sooner one.
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There were some people who had theories about that one.
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I may have gone back a little bit further.
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Yeah.
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So I also would like to ask, Paul, like what investigators are pointing to this kind of
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stuff exactly?
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Like, it seems like it's you.
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It seems like it's you, Paul.
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Well, some investigators have said.
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Seems like some bullshit is being used to freak readers out and make them have fears
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about this mass pandemic being launched as a biological attack, just like Infowars does
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all the time.
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It seems like this end that's justifying whatever insinuations you're making throughout the
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article is just like, well, we do this a lot.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is kind of our thing.
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Don't you understand it's normal for us?
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What are you going to say?
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Infowars don't do you?
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That's wrong.
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That's wrong.
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It's important to understand that a large part of what Alex has been doing over the
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course of the current pandemic is part of a larger pattern, and seeing the same stuff
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play out in other periods in his career can be really helpful in illustrating the exact
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ways he's full of shit.
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The reality is he's doing these exact same things that we saw at the beginning of the
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pandemic here in the past, and he would have been doing exactly the same thing that he's
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doing now then if it weren't for some good luck and better public health response that
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led to these outbreaks not getting as bad as things have gotten today.
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Yeah.
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And we see like a really concrete example here.
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Also, it's up to 149 confirmed dead in Mexico, but the numbers we were getting was over 200
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Saturday, so they're clearly suppressing those numbers even according to the BBC.
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It may be difficult to remember this now, but when COVID was just emerging, Alex wasn't
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a huge denialist about it.
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He was a sensationalist, and one of his main narratives in the beginning was that China
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was suppressing the numbers of dead by gigantic magnitudes.
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I think it's probably fair to say that there wasn't total transparency with China's reporting,
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but that has no bearing on how irresponsible and dishonest the kind of reporting Alex did
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was.
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This is from March 24th, 2020.
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This coronavirus situation and all these top biological weapons experts and top scientists
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scanning the virus and saying it's man-made, we've got to get ahead of this.
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And if you notice the virus numbers, and maybe we can punch those back up for a moment while
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we're waiting for the president.
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The official World Health Organization says 28,000 confirmed when I walked in here a few
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minutes ago, it was 24,000.
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But the internal Chinese numbers that leaked and were actually published in China by the
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People's Daily said 24,000 dead yesterday.
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So what we think they're doing is they're just putting the number of dead as the number
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of infected.
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This is part of Alex's early sensationalism, which he employs because it's profitable.
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And generally there isn't any real consequence to any of it because public health protocols
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are handled responsibly.
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At this point, Alex had every reason to assume that the 2019 coronavirus would be like all
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the other health scares he'd sensationalized in the past.
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And this was the model that he has used to maximize his profits.
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He was behaving exactly the same way.
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And within that clip, you already see multiple elements of this exact same script.
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It was made in a lab built by some bad guys.
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And also they are covering up exactly how there's a grander scale of the deaths that
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they're lying to us about.
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Yep.
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All consistent.
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And the only difference, the only thing that's different is that the person he wanted to
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be running the country was running the country at cross purposes with the organization that
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was supposed to be the adults trying to stop all of this stuff from happening.
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It's crazy how that works.
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It's almost like there's a very simple direct lesson to be learned.
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I don't think we'll ever do it.
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Probably not.
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Nope.
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So Alex also in the present day, one of the things that he would do, I guess he'd just
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do this all the time actually.
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This isn't really a connection between these two instances of public health things.
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It's kind of a consistent pattern and that is misuse sources.
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Oh, sure.
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And so he has a CNN interview that he's going to bring up and it's an interview with this
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retired general Honoré, which is, I know this name because Alex will reference him
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a lot, but it's fun because at this point in 2009, Alex has no idea who he is.
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It's really fun to watch him try and pronounce the name.
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Up on prisonplanet.com, there's another headline of a CNN clip.
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In fact, guys, let's get that video clip ready because I want to play that clip coming up
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once Burmus is here and on the show.
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Retired Army General Russell, I believe you pronounced that H-O-N-O-R-E with a French
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squiggly on the end of it.
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How do you pronounce that?
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H-O-N-O-R-E with a squiggly.
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Did swine flu come out of a lab?
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Retired Army General Russell Honora on CNN.
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How did this start in Mexico?
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Where did it emanate from?
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We've been able to find that out in all previous pandemics.
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The question now is, to get the heart of how this started, did it start from a occasion
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of viruses coming together or did it come out of a lab?
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All those questions have to be answered.
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Most doctors, medical doctors and virologists we've talked to and that are on record say
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this had to be weaponized and engineered.
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We'll tell you why when we get back.
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Oh boy.
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So you can see here the next very clear parallel between Alex's swine flu coverage and how
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things began with COVID.
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He's focusing attention on building up the narrative that the flu came out of a lab and
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was built by bad guys.
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Right.
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Got to get it out there.
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The reason he does this is pretty simple, but there's actually two prongs to it.
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The first is that if it came from nature, there's no real bad guy.
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We're all just trying to deal with this wild-born disease that threatens us all, and it's not
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really all that exciting.
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If it came from a lab, then there's intrigue and the ability to paint these meddling scientists
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as either outright villains or people who probably meant well but were tampering with
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forces outside of what God wants man to tamper with, which led to a smiting.
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There are more movies about mad scientists than there are of like, the crops aren't as
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good this year.
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What have we wrought?
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No!
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Yeah.
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The second reason is because reporting all of these potential outbreak stories as having
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their roots in a lab, it helps bolster anti-vax narratives in as much as they undermine general
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trust in science.
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There's an added element to this too, which is that it's always reported as vaccine research
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gone wrong that led to this lab accident or the release of this alleged bioweapon, which
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has the effect of associating vaccine development with disaster in the audience's mind.
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This interview that retired General Honore did with CNN was between him and Don Lemon.
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Here's the exchange that Alex is basing this insinuation on.
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Lemon has pointed out that informing people is an important part of a national strategy
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to a public health response, and Honore says, quote, informing people, so people can make
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informed decisions.
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That will help us, that will help stop the spread of the disease.
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But you know, the key question we've got to ask is, we think it came from Mexico.
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That's the conventional wisdom of most folks.
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The next question is, how did it start in Mexico?
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Where did it emanate from?
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We've been able to find out that in all previous pandemics.
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The question is to get at the heart of how did this start?
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Did it start from the occasion of viruses coming together, or was it, did it come out
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of a lab?
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I mean, all these questions have to be answered.
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I know it seems like I'm possibly splitting hairs, but I sincerely believe there's a relevant
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difference between someone saying that it's important to understand where the virus came
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from and the way Alex was reporting on these comments.
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The difference is that interviews like these with General Honore are open-ended in terms
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of laying out questions that are on the table, whereas Alex's coverage is designed to lead
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the listener to a predetermined conclusion.
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The goal is to cover this as a lab-related outbreak, and Alex uses Honore's comment
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to further that goal.
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You can see that, by the way, that Alex has tailored the headline as to only include the
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part where it's suggesting that the virus came from lab, and of course the part at the
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end where he's saying that all experts are saying it's weaponized.
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Yeah, that part was really a problem.
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Yeah, it's a little overt.
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That one got a little out of hand.
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You know, like, he was like, we don't know exactly, and then they turned into, this is
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a bioweapon.
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That's a little bit far.
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I do think, though, like he's saying that all the experts and scientists that we've
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talked to have said that.
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I think that's actually possibly a true statement, if you specifically only talk to crazies.
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We talked to three people with rabies, and they all agreed in between frothing in the
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mouth.
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I have on good authority from all the people that I've talked to that everyone has rabies.
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All of the scientists we've spoke to have said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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and I think that speaks for itself.
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Yeah, and so, of course, you know, we have this established.
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This is from a lab, and now we've got to build from there.
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Yeah, well, this is just a clip of the retired general on CNN pointing out that this could
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be made in a lab, and when you get all these different viruses mixed together, where you
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get the pig flu, the swine flu, this bird flu, and human flu, all mixed together classically,
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historically, that is engineered in the lab, and then you always have it coming from the
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east, and there's two different flu seasons, and it always comes from the east, the new
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strains always.
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This originated in Mexico City, and they've known about it since March 18th, at least,
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and we're busy covering it up, and the reason they're so scared is because it's killing
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healthy, you know, virile 18- to 30-year-old men and women, mainly, and the death toll's
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now upwards of 149.
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I have the latest there, and that's probably a whitewash number.
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So this is a really dishonest way to leap off of Honore's CNN interview.
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There's no reason to believe that just because the 2009 H1N1 virus had elements of swine,
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avian, and human flus in it, that that means that it had to be made in a lab.
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Scientists who have studied the virus widely reject this conclusion for a number of reasons.
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The first is that it's entirely possible for this kind of recombination to happen in nature.
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Pigs or people can be infected with multiple flus simultaneously, and then they can recombine
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in ways where they trade genetic information.
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According to the CDC, quote, each of the gene segments within the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus
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had been found in pigs for more than 10 years prior to the beginning of the 2009 H1N1 influenza
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outbreak.
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Pigs have long been considered a possible mixing vessel for influenza viruses that originate
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within pigs, birds, and humans.
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In addition, a 2009 nature study showed that reassortment between influenza viruses found
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in North American and Eurasian pigs had already occurred at least once naturally in the five
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years prior to the identification of the 2009 H1N1 flu.
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So there's precedent.
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Yeah, see, now this is one of those times where I feel like scientists need somebody
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like me right next to them to explain it, right, because they're like, oh, see, these
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pigs can, and then all the viruses, and then they recombine, and that's how we can see
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that stuff.
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And I could just be there and be like, man, pigs let viruses fuck inside them, who knows?
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And then we'd be fine.
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Everybody would understand that better than they recombine.
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It's more relatable.
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Yeah, I guess that is an approach.
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So there's no need for a lab to be involved to explain the complex nature of the virus,
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but Alex is obscuring that to further push his predetermined conclusion that the virus
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had to have come from a lab just as he's done consistently since the beginning of COVID.
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He's jumped all over the place trying to find these weird explanations for why it had to
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be made in a lab that had also been fallen flat and he's kind of forgotten about.
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As for the idea that flus come from the east, that's actually kind of been borne out by
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research, but it's not a universal thing.
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A study by the University of Chicago noted that between 2000 and 2010, 87% of the, quote,
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most successful globally spreading strains of H3N2 originated in east, south, and southeast
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Asia, N3N2, of course, being the most common disease-causing strain.
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This is a high number, but it also does tell us another little fact, and that is that it's
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not unheard of for flus to pop up in other locations.
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There's a good 13% there that, and this is also only of the most successful globally
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spreading strains.
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So there are, it doesn't have to have come from the east, it could easily have popped
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up in Mexico.
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And again, that is not like some sort of, it comes from the east because the east, it's
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a relative concept, and it comes from an environment and an ecosphere.
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And we'd call that the east just because that's where it is in our heads, but it could be
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anywhere.
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Sure.
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And there's some non-consensus, let's say, there's competing theories about exactly why
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that phenomenon is the case.
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Whether it has to do with something about population patterns or it has to do with the
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climate, it's not entirely clear.
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But it's not the Chinese people themselves doing it.
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I don't think Alex is saying that, to be fair.
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No, I know, but it gets weirdly close to that sometimes.
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I think he is in the present.
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Yeah, well, there's that.
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So Alex is fairly right that 2009 H1N1 did affect younger people more severely, with
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people over 65 being less vulnerable.
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However, what he's saying about there being a cover-up of anything is just not founded
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in any way.
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And here we see another common feature of how Alex reports on public health matters
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in the immediate.
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It's important to cast suspicion on all other sources of information, so no matter what
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the reality of the situation is, you lead with accusing them of a cover-up.
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By this point, the CDC was already posting updates about what information had been learned
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up till that point.
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The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy were sounding the alarm.
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State governments were posting guidance for people to avert panic and help them guide
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themselves through any possible health problems.
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CNN had even reported on cases that had been confirmed in California.
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So I don't know what cover-up Alex is talking about, because there wasn't one.
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But the suggestion that there was is crucial to undermining trust in public health experts,
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which then helps Alex present himself as the actual expert to his audience.
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Around every corner in the present pandemic, there have been accusations of cover-ups because
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it's an easy thing to do and you never have to back it up.
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Nope.
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You see it, you know.
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And if the thing about it that makes it so good is no matter what they're telling you,
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because yes, you see all of this stuff, you can always claim they're covering up something.
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Right.
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You know, oh sure, it's in the news that there are cases in LA, but they're covering up that
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there are cases everywhere.
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And you know, it's magical about that too.
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What?
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Is if you just have a vague notion that there's a cover-up, your mind gets to imagine whatever
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you want.
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Whatever it is you want.
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Yes.
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And if months later something comes out that wasn't in the reporting by any innocuous reason
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for any reason.
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That was cover-up.
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Part of the fucking cover-up, buddy.
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You bet.
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You bet.
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And I secretly knew that all along.
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All the whole time!
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Even though I said they were covering up 10 million different other things, the one that
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I didn't say that did happen to be the case is the one that I meant.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, at this point, presenting you with this information, how do you feel about what
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Alex wants the audience to think about this virus?
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I feel like he wants to let them know that the government is murdering them as they speak
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and that if they're not terrified and giving him money, it's all over.
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Well, there's a cover-up.
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Well, sure.
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I mean, he wanted specifics.
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Well, no.
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I mean, I'm just sort of bouncing back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's a cover-up.
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Sure.
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This was clearly made in a lab.
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Who's covering it up?
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It's manufactured for a reason.
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Yep.
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It was a bioweapon, most likely.
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Came from outside the United States.
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And they're reporting fraudulently low death numbers.
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They're lying about everything.
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Which kind of implies that more people are dying and this is... So you'd think kind
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of that you're supposed to be scared of this virus, right?
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I would be terrified.
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I feel like that's the tone.
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But then we get to this point.
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The death toll's now upwards of 149.
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I have the latest there and that's probably a whitewash number.
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But still, this is a bunch of hype because the regular flu strains every year kill millions
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of people worldwide, conservatively hundreds of thousands and over 15,000 a year in the
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US, even more in Mexico.
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But when we see all this massive media hype, we have to question.
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This is an important element of the presentation to zoom in on real close.
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That's infuriating.
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Alex doesn't want his audience to actually be super afraid of the H1N1 flu, in the same
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way he doesn't actually want the audience to be afraid of COVID now, nor did he at the
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beginning.
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Right.
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He wants to build up a sense of fear, foster distrust in mainline sources, and then transmute
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that fear that he's established into being fear of something else that he wants them
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to be afraid of, possibly something that profits him or pushes his extremist agenda, one that
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you know.
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Right.
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Generally.
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Usually.
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He's afraid because these people are clearly building a virus in a lab that's a bioweapon.
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It's killing people at a rate the globalists are covering up.
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But also it's all hype because normal flu's kill people, a bunch of people every year.
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That's really kind of an insane thing.
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If you stop and think about it.
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It's jarring.
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What he's implying and then the just like, but hey, don't worry about it.
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It's not as bad as a real flu.
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The first part of this would lead you to think that you should be very afraid of the fact
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that the villains are creating a bioweapon and for some reason they're covering up how
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many people have died from it, which heavily implies that the virus is something to be
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deeply concerned about.
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But then the second part deflates that and sends the message that this is no more scary
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than any flu every year.
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That's crazy.
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This is confusing if you don't pay attention because it's inherently nonsensical.
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If it's all hype and no different than every flu, why does this coverage exist?
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If the numbers are no different than they are every year, why would the globalists put
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out decreased death numbers?
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What sense does that make?
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If it's the same as every year, why would the globalists need to cover up the flu's
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existence for a few months, as Alex is implying?
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Alex wouldn't have gone through all the effort of laying that track if it weren't for the
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purposes of shifting the fear narrative down the road towards what he actually wants to
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push this towards.
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Right.
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Right.
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Which is, I mean, insane.
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Like, okay, so you're telling me that the flu is not manmade and is just a natural disaster,
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part of the natural order of things.
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I assume he probably would rather not talk about that.
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Well, I'm sure he wouldn't do that.
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Might get confusing.
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That's fair.
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But like, okay, I'm, I'm scared of a tsunami tearing the entire east coast apart.
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Like that's horrific.
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But what is tsunami but rain?
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Right.
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But, but my comparison there is though, like, yes, that's terrifying, but nobody's directing
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that.
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It is even more of a crisis that needs to be reacted to if just one dude dropped a bomb
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that gave a tsunami on the coast of Georgia.
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That's not as bad as the fucking God level strike of the entire east coast.
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But that's a guy doing it.
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We got to react to that real quick.
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Right.
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You know, like that's an emergency.
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Right.
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As who do you know what I mean?
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Who knows what he's up to?
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Yeah, exactly.
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You can't be saying like, Hey, don't worry about it.
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The government created a bio weapon and kill a bunch of people in Mexico, but that's no
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big deal.
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It's not as bad as the flu.
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Like, no, no, we got to deal with that now.
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We do, but Alex wants to deal with it in the way that he wants to deal with it.
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And I think you can already kind of get a sense based on, I don't know, everything we've
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gone through the way that this is going to go, this is going to be shifted into fears
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of lockdowns, fears of vaccinations being forced on you exactly.
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You build up the fear the way he has so far and then deflate the fear of the actual condition
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and use that fear that you've built to build your own gingerbread house of fear that looks
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like a FEMA camp.
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This is really, really scary.
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Now calm down.
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This is not what you should be afraid of.
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You should be more afraid of this, but this is what you should be afraid of.
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Don't calm down.
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Keep those feelings.
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Keep that crazy angry.
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Move this way.
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Hey, get over here.
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So Jason Burmus comes in, he shows up and he's got some thoughts.
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You know, I checked my emails last night.
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Apparently Baxter is going to be the one in charge of immunizing for this.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Go ahead and tell folks.
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I mean, if you don't know who Baxter is, only two months ago in mid February, I actually
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was late February that Bloomberg reported on it, they sent out to 14 separate countries
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this batch of anti bird flu vaccine that contained two different strains of bird flu and then
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a third strain of flu.
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And this is just incredible to me that we would allow Baxter to be the people in charge
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of inoculating and quote unquote immunizing the populace.
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This just isn't true.
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According to a write up from WebMD in 2009, 46% of the vaccines manufactured for the United
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States were made by Novartis, 26% were from Sanofi Pasteur, 19% from CSL, 6% from Medimune
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and 3% from GlaxoSmithKline.
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And none of these are Baxter's secret name.
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Baxter talked a big game, but they ended up getting beaten out by other suppliers that
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came to the market.
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That being said, in October 2009, after Baxter had won part of a contract to supply H1N1
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vaccines to the United Kingdom, it came out that they had been forced to pay back millions
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to state governments for overcharging them for products in the past and committing Medicare
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frauds.
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Well, I mean, hey now, who among us has not tried to commit some sort of Medicare fraud
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on a large scale?
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I haven't.
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Uh oh, fair.
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Additionally, Baxter did have a mix up at a lab that they run in Austria, being a little
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exaggerated by Burmas, but that did actually happen, where live avian flu had contaminated
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some experimental samples that they'd sent to a couple other labs.
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It was a bad mix up and could have had some seriously bad consequences, but ultimately
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it just ended up killing a few ferrets, which is still sad, but investigations into it found
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no hard, like no foul play.
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We only killed ferrets, guys.
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No foul play or anything.
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No ferret play.
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Yeah.
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There wasn't ferret play.
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There was a little ferret play.
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There's a specific goal that's being pursued by coverage like this that Burmas is doing
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as well.
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The point of this is to establish the groundwork that there's something suspicious about the
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plans to develop a vaccine for this new flu virus.
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There must be a reason that the globalists are having all of our vaccines made by this
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one specific company that recently bungled a shipment of experimental samples.
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They must want to have these vaccines that they put into us contaminated too.
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Introducing these sorts of narratives is the first step of the essential pivot that needs
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to happen, where the fear that's being built about the virus is transformed into fear about
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the vaccines.
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It's pretty remarkable how this is almost just muscle memory for them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's second nature to be able to build up and move.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, the thing about ways to combat bullshit is that they have to constantly evolve,
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and the thing about bullshit is that it stayed exactly the same for my entire fucking life,
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and it just comes up in different spots, like whack-a-mole, you know?
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Yeah, and I think actually we're going to get to a pretty salient example of that in
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a little bit.
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Don't do this.
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So, here's another piece that gets brought up that I think you'll see heavy overlap with
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the present.
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This swine flu that's now all over the media, I mean, people are hyped up.
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I didn't see it where I was because I wasn't in the city, but you can bet within the next
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week if this stays in the news that people will be wearing the masks, they will be wearing
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bandanas around their face.
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I mean, this is a big fear.
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Well, it was already in the Associated Press this morning that the federal government came
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out and said, yeah, people need to go ahead and start wearing masks in affected areas
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inside of the United States, so either the government is viciously hyping this to get
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people to take more vaccines and to take the, quote, antivirals, you know, like...
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Tamiflu's been mentioned?
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I've heard Tamiflu mentioned that.
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No, no, that's what...
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It's record stock prices right now tied in to Rumsfeld and the Bushes and even the president,
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current President Barack Obama, is profiting from that.
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So you can see here this almost identical language to the president.
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Masks are just fear hysteria and it's all in service of trying to force vaccines on
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you.
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For what it's worth, Alex never got to the second option after Burmus interrupted him,
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so I have no idea what it was going to be when he's brought up Tamiflu, I have no idea.
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So that said, Tamiflu is not a publicly traded entity.
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It's a product that's produced by Gilead Sciences.
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The reality, too, is that Alex is wrong.
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Gilead was not seeing record stock prices in April 2009.
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Their peak was on August 4th, 2008, coming in at about $28.50 a share.
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The day this episode is recorded, their shares, they hit a high of $24.11.
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Their numbers would start going up eventually, but it wouldn't be until late 2011, and a
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large part of that was likely due to enthusiasm surrounding some acquisitions that they've
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made, buying up a ton of pharma companies like CV Therapeutics and CGI.
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Shockingly, there is some truth to the claim that Obama had a very small interest in Gilead.
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In May 2009, CNN reviewed his financial investments and found that predominantly his investments
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were in US Treasury bonds and accounts for his children.
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But he also did have money in an index fund called Vanguard.
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That fund has holdings in a bunch of other companies, and Gilead is number 10 on their
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list of most held things.
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So in a very indirect way, you can claim that Obama profits from Gilead, but what Alex is
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claiming is a bit of a stretch.
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Yeah.
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If Alex just wants to go all the way and say that public officials can't own stock, I'll
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join him in that.
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But otherwise, this is all just blustery nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm for the no public officials owning stock.
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I feel like that seems...
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I think it'll be safer.
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That seems just too obvious.
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Yeah.
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Too obvious.
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I think in an ideal world, everybody should be able to invest in whatever they want, but
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we don't live there.
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We don't live even close to there.
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But what you see here is another standard feature of Alex's public health coverage.
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There needs to be an insistence that Alex's political enemies are painted as corrupt with
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their motives chalked up to their financial stake in these pharmaceutical companies.
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We saw this exact same song and dance play out in the COVID pandemic, and there are a
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few slight differences though.
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Trump was in office, so it wasn't going to fly to start tossing around ideas about his
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finances, so Alex went the safer route and just insisted Bill Gates had the patent on
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not only the vaccine, but also the virus itself.
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While he might have had some interest in pharmaceutical companies, or he does through the Bill and
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Melinda Gates Foundation, Gates doesn't himself have a patent on the vaccine.
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In fact, last May, he came out as in favor of dropping the patent protection on the vaccines
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in order to allow greater access for them in developing countries, although probably
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too late on that.
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Maybe could have come to that conclusion a little earlier.
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Yeah.
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Alex would later add Fauci to the list of owners of the patent who were making money
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off the vaccine, but to be fair to him, he didn't know who Fauci was at the beginning
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for a while, so he couldn't accuse him of that.
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Right.
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I think what is ridiculous about this now, especially on its face, after having lived
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through all of this, we can put this type of conspiracy to bed.
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There's only one way to evilly profit off of pharmaceuticals, and that's just plainly
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taking insulin and charging $1,000 for it.
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We see the grift.
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The grift is there.
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It's tough to-
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It's just wide open.
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It's tough to conceive of who's doing something more messy than that.
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We see the grift.
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The evil grift is in our faces and on our bills.
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This is the-
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No, but the real problem is that Obama has some money in this index fund that holds some
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gilead.
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But then again, Obama was in favor of health, and Michelle was really into diet.
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Yeah.
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She made it a deal.
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And I should tell you that this Vanguard index fund also holds a lot of stock in McDonald's.
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Ooh, those bastards!
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So some of this doesn't quite make sense.
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No, that doesn't make sense.
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Anyway, the point here is that all leaders who advise caution or public health measures,
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they're only doing so because they want to create fear hysteria in order to corral you
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into getting this vaccine, because then they profit from it.
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This story plays out over and over again because it's a myth cycle.
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It's not actually analysis of the news.
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This is basically Alex's version of Joseph Campbell.
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Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
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It doesn't make any sense, because what you would do is you would want to get the population
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to all have some sort of version of diabetes.
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So if you wanted to invest in a pharmaceutical company and then create a conspiracy that
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would make you a ton of money, then you would do that and then you would try and flood the
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market of the United States with some sort of high sugar content.
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And then what you'd really want to do is get kids to really be into it.
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So you'd have cartoon characters and all of these people, they would advertise it for
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you, and then they would push that out there.
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And then so many people would get it, and it would just become part of their daily lives.
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And then...
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I'm sorry.
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I think you could even take a step back and look at it from the perspective of if the
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financial motivations really were guiding some of this stuff, there would be no reason
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to actually vaccinate people.
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Once the company's got these contracts to produce the vaccinations, that's good enough.
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You've got the money.
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You've made the money.
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Yeah, go away.
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What, are you going to worry about the next one?
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Everybody will be dead by then.
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Yeah, there's just a lot of balls that need to be juggled here.
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So speaking of balls that need to be juggled, Alex has a lot of irons in the fire, and I
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am mixing metaphors.
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And there's a reason for that.
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You know, I was kind of piling up my stack of news before you came in, because I'm going
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to be on Coast to Coast AM for several hours tonight.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah, and I've got up at 645 this morning, which I'd have slept in four and a half hours
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today when we went into overdrive.
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So I'm going to get out of here.
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But one of the biggest stories that I'm going to look for while we play this clip, I had
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it here and then I can't find it.
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It was up on Infowars.com back in early March.
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Kurt Nemo wrote a story when it came out in government documents that the government had
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predicted a deadly pandemic flu to kill 30 million people in 2009 in 1996.
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So we're talking 15 years ago, roughly, they were already planning this.
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Operation Lockstep.
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They were planning it, man.
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So that clip was amazing, because in it you see two of the major elements that Alex needs
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to make this whole pageant a success.
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The first is to have a platform that's larger than his and presumably more mainstream that
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will allow him to come on and present himself as an expert to the suggestible audience.
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In the present day, that's Joe Rogan's job.
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But in 2009, Rogan wasn't a gigantically popular podcaster, so he wasn't useful for Alex in
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that way.
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George Norrie will do in a pinch.
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We'll get to that in a minute.
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But first, I want to get into that second aspect.
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The almost too perfect document that Alex has found.
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In order for this whole charade to go off right and for Alex to be able to control where
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the audience directs their fear, there needs to be some kind of document that can be used
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to illustrate that the globalists have been planning this all along, which means that
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Alex is right, and that means you've got to listen to him.
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In our current performance of this play, there have been actually a ton of documents that
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have fit this role, with Alex and his menagerie of weirdos cherry picking things to suit their
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purposes and prove definitely that this pandemic is a false flag.
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There is a tranche of made up documents.
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There is a raft of tranches.
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I would say that based on my experience, the Lockstep document is the one that Alex seems
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to present as the most concrete and most persuasive, so I'm gonna give it that title for the present
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day pandemic.
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And here in 2009, we happen to have another too perfect document.
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I'll tell you that tracking this one down was really hard, because Alex gives almost
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no details on it other than it was on his website, possibly in March, and apparently
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written by Kurt Nimmo.
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If you try to search keywords like 30 million dead, prediction, 2009, 1996, something, you
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don't come up with anything, but thanks to the Wayback Machine, I was able to go through
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all of the headlines published on Infowars in March 2009, and I hit pay dirt.
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This Kurt Nimmo article is headlined, quote, US Air Force Study Proposed 2009 Influenza
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Pandemic in 1996.
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The underlying document is a thought experiment from the Air University titled Air Force 2025,
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that's described as, quote, a study to identify the concepts, capabilities, and technologies
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the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the first
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quarter of the 21st century.
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This document is literally the exact same thing as the lockstep document, and Alex is
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using the exact same intentional misunderstanding in order to present it as some kind of a nefarious
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plan.
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This was an exercise to brainstorm what the Air Force would need to do to continue effectively
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into the future, and in order to carry out that exercise, the research participants created
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six different alternative future scenarios to explore possible challenges in.
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They used three variables, American worldview, tech, and the world power grid.
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Each of these had two values possible.
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American worldview could either be global or domestic, tech could either be constrained
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or exponential, and the power grid could be concentrated or dispersed.
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So for instance, if you want to explore a world where the American worldview is global,
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tech is constrained, and the power grid is dispersed, you'd be looking at their scenario
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titled Gulliver's Travails.
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There are five other scenarios, but for our purposes we don't need to go through all of
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them in minute detail.
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Each of the scenarios includes a section titled Plausible History, which is an in-exercise
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description of how the world got to the point it is in their imagined version of 2025.
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These are imagined, made-up things, and if you want to go, you can cherry pick whatever
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you want out of it.
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For instance, in this Gulliver's Travails scenario, China broke up into fifteen new
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territories in 2006, and apparently this year, 2022, it's just titled Africa Wars.
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Oh no!
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No idea what that means.
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We're fucked.
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Yeah.
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So look, the scenario Kurt Nimmo has decided to focus on is one called Digital Cacophony.
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This is one where it has a global American worldview, exponential tech, and a dispersed
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power grid.
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In this scenario's Plausible History, there's an influenza that kills thirty million people
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in 2009, but there's other things in here that should be red flags for anybody thinking
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this is reflective of planning.
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For instance, in this Plausible History, we're supposed to have reached a state of abundant
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food due to genetics in 2002.
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Oh, also the UN dissolved in 2010.
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Oh, that was nice of them.
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It's also going to be tough, because in 2015, at least forty-eight countries have weapons
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of mass destruction.
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Also in 2020, by that point, we have a ton of space settlements.
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Oh, that's nice!
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Yeah.
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That's nice!
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That goes along with the...
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That goes along with that one!
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Yeah, the flu part is part and parcel of all this.
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If you read the report, the flu outbreak is included in this scenario as a reminder that,
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though this is a possible future that's dominated by technological advancement, quote, technology
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could not solve some old problems.
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Sort of poetic.
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Alright, so I've figured out how to defeat Alex's game here, alright?
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No one can think about the future ever.
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Never engage in...
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Not once!
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Don't you dare...
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No thought experiments?
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Don't you dare think about abstractions?
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Absolutely not.
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At all.
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Don't take historical things and then put them in a possible future.
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That's just you saying that the future is going to happen.
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Do you have a calendar?
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Burn it.
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Burn it!
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Yes.
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Every calendar that has more months than the day that you're on, burn it.
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If anybody asks you what you're going to do tomorrow, punch them.
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Fuck them.
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Yeah.
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So Nimmo's article is really interesting, too, because he's trying to use this document
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to build a conspiracy about the Baxter flu lab mix-up that had happened previously.
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Interesting.
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Quote, is it merely a coincidence the Pentagon would propose in 1996 a deadly flu pandemic
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for 2009 when live H5N1 avian flu viruses are discovered in vaccines produced by Baxter
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International plants in Austria?
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He goes on to cite Paul Joseph Watson.
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Quote, the fact that Baxter mixed its deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu
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viruses is the smoking gun, writes Paul Joseph Watson.
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The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it's less airborne and more
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restricted in the ease with which it can spread.
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However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super airborne
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and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super airborne, super deadly biological weapon
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of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025.
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That's a lot of supers.
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Yeah.
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Very suspiciously, those last words, quote, of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025, those
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aren't part of the quote from Paul.
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That was Nimmo adding a little editorial and completely fabricating the idea that this
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document proposes a biological weapon.
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Sure.
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It's nonsense.
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Yeah, why not?
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In the scenario, they say that no one ever figured out if it was a naturally occurring
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flu or it was bioengineered, but that makes sense in the scenario's parameters.
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It's a world with boundless dispersed technology and power where one of the main hallmarks
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of the challenges that they have is that there's an increasing number of states and non-state
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actors that have weapons of mass destruction.
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Proving the genesis of this flu outbreak ambiguous creates flavor in the picture that they're
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painting for the scenario exercise.
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Sure.
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Anyway, Kurt Nimmo sucks, and even he had no clue that this would be able to be repurposed
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when that whole Baxter narrative didn't really go anywhere, and so now Alex is digging back,
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taking this, and saying that, oh no, it proves this one.
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And that's the same article that Paul Joseph Watson opened with some are saying.
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Like he was very circumspect about not being like, this is true.
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I mean, these are different articles, but they're both Paul.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, Paul's kind of a shithead too.
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Yeah, he's a little bit of an asshole.
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Yeah.
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As is the exact same situation with the present day use of the Rockefeller lockstep document,
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this is a useful tool for people in the Air Force educational program to explore what
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challenges the military may face if certain variables of social organization go different
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ways.
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This isn't no way predictive of anything, or I guess it's as predictive of this 2009
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flu as it is of the UN dissolving in 2010.
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It's not an accident that Alex's coverage of both the H1N1 flu outbreak and the present
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pandemic include a completely misrepresented document that he uses to prove foreknowledge
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on the part of his enemies.
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It's because he's a liar with a pattern, and he needs props.
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He's the carrot top of liars.
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I mean, it's at the point now where you're like, do they have a flow chart somewhere?
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I can't imagine.
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For a pandemic, they've got, oh, break out the flow chart that has start here and then
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just keep going down the cascade of bullshit.
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I don't think they could possibly be that organized, but I think it's just like these
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are the elements.
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It's just the way to do it.
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We've got to pull from.
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Yeah, it's just the way to do it.
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So now let's loop back to this coast to coast thing.
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I'm not going to make us sit here and listen to it all bit by bit, but I could not help
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myself, so I created a supercut of some of the high points of the episode.
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This is on with giant theorist and regular Jim Bakker guest Steve Quayle, who would like
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to introduce the sex robot, and he's one of the other shitty info wars Steves.
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So this is like six and a half minutes long or so, but this is the only way I could boil
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down the experience of listening to this whole episode.
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While in our continuing special report on the swine flu scare, up next, Steven Quayle
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joins us along with Alex Jones right here on Coast to Coast AM.
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We can paint a picture that is so far removed from conspiracy to be in your face just by
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public documents.
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For instance, in 1996, Air Force put out a document claiming that by 2009, 30 million
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people would be dead from influenza.
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How did they know that?
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Isn't that interesting?
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We just heard from Steve and Alex who believes that this was concocted in a laboratory and
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released on us.
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Your take.
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Well, my problem is I'm sitting here with about 150 plus documents and reports, including
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the one we broke just a month and a half ago at info wars dot com about that Air Force
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perspective saying that they thought there would be a massive flu outbreak back in 1996
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in 2009.
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So I just have information overload here, but all people listen to me very, very carefully
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because this is so important.
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This is clearly a designer virus.
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This is clearly been manmade.
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Even CNN had a retired top general on the day involved in researching bioweapons saying
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when you look at this being made in a laboratory and I predicted a month ago and just like
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I predicted 9-11 because I just understand these people and I don't just throw predictions
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out here, predictions out there.
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I'm not bragging.
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I can't sleep.
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All I do is study this.
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I said they've got a bunch of cards on their hands, the globalist above our government,
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the Illuminati, the new world order, the social engineers, and they need a crisis or they
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won't get their world government through, which they're openly announcing new bank of
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the world.
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We pay our carbon taxes too.
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They've got to make us love them as their saviors.
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And I said out of a stage nuke, out of attacking Iran, out of attacking Pakistan, out of all
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these things they can do, I believe the next card they're going to play is at least a massive
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bird flu scare.
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And so that's where we, and I talked to Steve last Monday and he on record said that too,
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so a lot of people are thinking along the same line.
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On record.
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Take a breath.
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On record.
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Stories like that happen.
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The media jumps on it.
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This is a hot news story that we've been talking about for three or four years, easy, all of
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us, and they're just now starting to pick up.
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They don't know how to handle it because they haven't investigated what you and Steven have
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investigated for years.
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You guys are so far ahead of the curve.
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Can everybody that's listening to this broadcast worldwide even imagine the fact of the period
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that's going to be exhibited throughout the nations of the world when they find out that
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this was a genetically altered biological weapon that was intentionally released?
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Now those are my words.
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Is there anybody honest enough to say those things?
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And I'm not talking about you and Alex, but a scientist.
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Don't just, Alex and I always tell people, go and look at the research that we spend
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blurry eyed hours in the midnight or early morning to research this stuff.
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They either know this is super bad and are covering it up.
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They either released it and know it's super bad and are covering it up and are using this
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as a martial law takeover smokescreen, or they know it's not really bad and they're
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just hyping it because governments everywhere, including Mexico on the verge of collapse
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needs this as a unifier.
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And most of the sociologists looking at this and many Mexicans I was speaking to in Mexico
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believe the government is hyping it and using it and may have even released it to stop revolution
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and get people's minds off of all the government corruption.
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This is world depopulation.
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That's why, why now?
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I mean, wasn't, wasn't there an episode in 24 where the president shook the hands of
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somebody and got gook all over him and then, uh, you know, he came down with a disease.
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I mean, all of this is just too bizarre.
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Well, I said this was made in the lab, but something very serious went wrong.
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Reuters reported, uh, yesterday, uh, that Janet Napolitano, the head of Homeland security
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said that, uh, well, this, this flu may not be a pandemic.
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It may go away in a few weeks, but then another deadly one is coming soon and she smiled.
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Ah, psychic.
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Is she?
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I believe that we are in a total war mode right now, both in the natural and supernatural
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realm.
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I believe the four horse from the apocalypse to use prophetic symbolism and imagery couldn't
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be more exact.
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I believe that you're seeing the complete plan being implemented by, uh, the powers
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that are to ultimately wipe out mankind.
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I said on this program that SARS would not be in a pandemic, that the avian flu would
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not be a pandemic qualifying it every time, every time by saying, unless they concocted
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in a laboratory.
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Yeah.
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George, I want to agree with you.
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I'm on record.
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Uh, I mean, on my Alex Jones channel on YouTube, there's a video up there I did three years
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ago saying the bird flu, uh, is hype, but it's hype to train everybody to be fearful
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and to go under this martial law control grid.
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You know, it's interesting, George, because no one who speaks a prophetic word at the
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time it's given is ever received at the time it's given.
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And only people look back at it and say, gee, that guy knew what was going on.
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Well, all I know is Mexico's on the edge of collapse and now this can push it over.
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So who benefits if Mexico collapses?
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The globalists.
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If the deaths are mainly centered in Mexico city, there are studies showing that the toxic
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waste and the, and, and, and the heavy metals can weaken people and that, uh, that may be
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why we're seeing so many deaths there.
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But if the evidence continues to confirm that they're dying in these nice little clean towns
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on the Pacific and on the Gulf of Mexico and on the Caribbean, and we're getting these
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reports, if that is happening, then it, this is race specific tailored for people of Asian
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descent.
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For those that don't know, uh, over the Bering Strait about 20,000 years ago, Asians came
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across the bloodline.
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You know, they have the Mongolian spots on their backs when they're a babies.
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Uh, the people who are quote Mexican are really predominantly Asian with a mixture of Spanish
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bloodlines.
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And so this is a, yes, that's a big, I guess the shrouding of this year, this swine flu.
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I was wondering if that anything, anything to do with possibly, um, the disclosure of
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extraterrestrials and possibly a connection with how they would, I guess, uh, throw them
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out there without creating panic that maybe they have a, I would say in this case that
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has nothing to do with this one.
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Oh, congrats.
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That's great.
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Congrats, George.
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That's really nice.
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Yeah.
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That's really nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's uh, he sucks.
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Um, but like you see a couple of things like the nonsense aside, a couple of other added
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elements are the knee jerk insinuation.
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This is a race specific bio, always.
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You saw that exactly at the beginning of, uh, the COVID stuff.
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It's a very standard feature of Alex's coverage.
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Um, and also the other thing too is the notion that this is meant to stop a revolution that's
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happening in Mexico, stop this awakening against the, the globalist tyranny.
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That's exactly what he was saying about, uh, in China.
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There were people who were rising up against the CCP and, you know, and it's gotta be crushed
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political dissent in Hong Kong.
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So fucking sad.
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It makes me so sad.
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I think you would be very sad mostly, uh, anytime you listen to Coast to Coast.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Sometimes it's fun, but most of the time it's not.
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I'm I'm, here's what I'm saying.
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Okay.
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We don't need, we don't need laws restricting speech.
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We need a Bureau of enforcement of predictions.
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All right.
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Oh, that'd be nice.
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So if you go on the radio and say some shit, that's fine.
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You can say whatever you want on the radio, but up somewhere it goes on the board and
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there's a date.
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And if you, if it's like contact tracing for bullshit, like you have to follow up on each
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prediction and then you have to come out and admit you learned something.
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So, so if you were, if you're Alex on this shit in 2010 or whatever, somebody comes into
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your office, they go, guess what?
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It turns out you're full of shit.
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You have to go on TV and apologize and say, I learned my lesson.
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And if you refuse to that, you lose your prediction.
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There you go.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I'm saying it just needs to be regulated.
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We need regulated bullshit.
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We don't need outlawed bullshit.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So larger picture though.
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I mean, I support your bill that you're proposing.
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I'm running for Congress.
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But like, we should all be so lucky as Alex to have friends throughout the, like all these
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points in our careers with wide audiences that are willing to engage with our bullshit.
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Hey, come on.
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And like you see the, the narratives that he's pushing on the show with Jason and he's
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just shined them up a tiny bit, made them a little bit harder to track down exactly
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what he's talking about and he's disseminating them to George's audience.
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And George is a very willing, active participant in it in the same way that Rogan is.
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Yep.
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Through negligence or actually being interested in spreading the Alex's narratives.
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And it's, Alex couldn't exist without that.
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Yeah, no.
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Like he wouldn't be able to attract people to his bullshit.
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It's the dum-dum who's willing to say, oh, that's interesting.
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Say more about that.
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Or huh?
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You know, that's all you have to do.
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That's what they need.
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Honestly, they never say, say more about that.
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No, no, no.
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They never get to any deeper.
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I just mean like, like I'm interested in your topic.
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Keep, keep spewing bullshit.
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You've interested me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're fascinating.
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Lie to me more.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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That's what I mean.
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So, um, Alex left Burmus because he had to take a nap or whatever in order to get ready
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to go on Coast to Coast.
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And so now we've gone to Coast to Coast and we're going to jump back in.
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On Saturday, May 2nd, Alex put out an emergency show.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It's going to be a special, an emergency, uh, most important thing he's ever done about
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the swine flu.
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Let me just read through the bullet points I've written here.
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Then I'll go through the news that backs it all up.
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A huge mind control exercise, a literal war on freedom and liberty worldwide is taking
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place and you can just Google UN says swine flu outbreak.
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Good for globalism or globalists say flu outbreak.
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Good for world government and you will see them in the news bragging that this is helping
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them set up a world government.
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They need a crisis to offer their solution.
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Exactly exactly the same as, as how we, we deal with this in the, in the present.
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So Alex is a particular villain, uh, at this point and it's the director of Homeland security,
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uh, Janet Napolitano.
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They love it.
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They're also admitting themselves as Janet Napolitano said last Sunday.
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Now, six, seven days ago that, oh, this flu will probably fade out, but another big pandemic
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will come, will happen.
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It's a foregone conclusion.
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So let's not forget about that.
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And they're saying that this flu will probably mutate right around the fall when flu season
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begins.
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We better all go roll up our sleeves and get the shot they're going to have right on time.
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They're talking about the federal government paying for 600 million doses for the 300 million
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Americans.
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Do you know how much profit that is when they're talking about the drug company that's chosen
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to make the vaccine get as much as $20 per shot?
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What's uh, what's 20 times 600 million.
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So you can see here a direct mirror of much of Alex's rhetoric from COVID times and the
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current day it was Bill Gates saying that there would be future diseases that Alex deemed
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to be suspicious, but in the past it was Janet Napolitano.
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And of course it's a fear based exercise in order to get everyone to take vaccines, possibly
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just motivated by getting $20 per shot for large batches.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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$12 billion, Dan.
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That's a lot of money.
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It is.
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Especially to a trillion dollar company.
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Sure.
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Certainly worth destroying.
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Yeah.
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Definitely worthy of killing millions of people for.
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Yep.
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Absolutely.
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So look, dude, this is, this is staged man.
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Understand, the reason this is a danger is this is a beta test as the economy continues
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to collapse.
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We can, and I'd already predicted this months ago, their model for control will be staged
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bio attacks.
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So you had a staged bio attack in order to retain control as the economy collapses.
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This is great.
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So consistent.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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And, and he just keeps hitting the exact same points.
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This is clearly a designer virus.
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We got to watch this.
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This is serious because they may move on us right now with martial law.
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And these globalists are eugenicists who've done all this chemical, biological, radiological
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testing on us in the past.
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We need to take what they're saying serious, but we believe it's a hoax.
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Well, it's now becoming more and more clear.
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Thank God it is a hoax, but that's just the lesser of two evils because we know that it's
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a hoax for them beta testing their federalization and their takeover and coming martial law.
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It could be in the fall, the winter of this year into early next year.
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And they even admit their beta testing that.
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So we got clearly a designer virus.
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He's hammering that home.
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And now we have the prediction that by the end of the year, early into 2010, we got martial
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law.
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Yeah.
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None of this happened.
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None of this happened.
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No, the Bureau of enforcement needs to show up.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the reality is that the way the H1N1 outbreak played out in 2009 is ideal almost
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for everybody, except for unfortunately people who got sick.
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The way that it weakened and became sort of a flu and not something that was necessarily
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more dangerous than normal flus.
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That's great for the population and it's great for Alex because people can forget about all
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this bullshit that he did.
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But it's going to be tough to forget about it now.
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Now is going to be a harder with 2019 or I'm sorry, 2020, 2021 and now into 2022, the presentation
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of the performance that he's done surrounding COVID has gone so far off the rails that it's
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going to be impossible.
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There's no going back.
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No, but he could go back from this.
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That's an easy dismount.
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The argument that I'm making is that that is what he, I believe, hoped.
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I believe that he thought he was doing another one of these until he wasn't and by that point
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it was too late.
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It was too late.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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You know, it's almost like if you are actively searching for bad governance and then you
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win and then something that needs good governance happens.
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Yeah.
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It turns out like, I think there's an under appreciated element for Alex that like his
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conspiracies legitimately rely on decent governance to be a safeguard against COVID.
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Against the things.
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Yeah.
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If what he wants to happen happens, he's fucked.
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So he needs people to ignore him and give him money, which is a tough tight rope to
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walk because sooner or later people are going to pay attention to you if you get enough
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money.
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And here we are.
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So Napolitano, Jenna Napolitano, bad.
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Saying bad things.
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That's not hard.
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They said last Sunday in a Napolitano Homeland Security heads briefing, she said to everybody
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out there, she said, there is no need to shut down the border or shut down flights or anything
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because it's already spread everywhere and there's no way to stop it anyways.
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And besides, and newer worst flus coming anyways, very cryptic.
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This is an absolutely inaccurate description of Janet Napolitano's comments that were made
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in the press conference.
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That sounds about right.
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Speaking of efforts at the border, she said, quote, we have implemented passive surveillance
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protocols to screen individuals who may arrive at our borders.
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All persons entering the United States from a location of human infection of swine flu
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will be processed through all appropriate CBP protocols.
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Right now, these are passive.
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That means they're looking for people who, and asking about, are you sick?
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Have you been sick?
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And the like.
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And if so, then they can be referred over for further examination.
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The part from that press conference that touches on the possibility of new strains popping
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up is not Napolitano, but it's a comment made by the acting director of the CDC, Dr. Richard
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Besser.
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The professor says, quote, we analyze that strain and are continuing to do further analysis
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of that strain, and we expect to see the emergence of new flu strains.
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That's something that we are continually watching for to ensure that we're ready should a strain
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emerge that there's not immunity and protection in the community for it.
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This strain is not unlike other new strains that have emerged.
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It's an assortment.
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It's got genetic components from a number of sources, including human, swine, and avian
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sources.
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This is something that you see with new strains.
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Not that...
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I mean, it's so, it's so crazy that, cause I feel like this is a fundamental thing that
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hasn't really been communicated to people, to the level that I think a lot of people
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just assume other people understand it.
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What do you mean?
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But I mean, viruses reproduce, you know, and they don't clone.
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It's not exactly the same.
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I want people to go on TV and be like, okay, you know how when you have kids, right, they
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don't look exactly like you.
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And then if you have like a billion kids, eventually over a long enough period of time,
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they're going to look completely different from you.
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This is like that, but because viruses do it all in like a day, they do a billion of
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those in a day, it happens faster.
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Do you understand now?
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It's just like us, but it's a different thing.
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Well, I think even that isn't a good enough explanation.
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No, you're probably right.
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You're really right.
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Honestly.
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Yeah, I think that, you know, the idea that you would have A and then once it transmits,
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it's still A. I think that could be better articulated.
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Yeah, and I think that's kind of what Besser's point is.
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It's what he's trying to say, yeah.
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And the notion that there are combinations of things from different sources isn't something
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that is as surprising or weird as it may seem.
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None of the comments that Alex ascribes to Napolitano are accurate in the least, but
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that doesn't really matter.
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This isn't about reporting news or depicting reality.
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This is about characterizing Alex's enemy in a particular way.
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They want the virus to spread, because doing so allows them to force vaccines on people
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and put in martial law.
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So naturally, Napolitano isn't closing the border intentionally to make the virus spread
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more.
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The enemy wants the public to be in horrible fear, so of course Napolitano ominously predicted
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new and worse strains of the flu, which Alex interprets essentially as a threat, just as
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he did with early Bill Gates interviews in the present day.
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Now, one thing I should note that looking at this content, there's a tremendous overlap
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in terms of tactics and narrative elements that Alex is using.
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There's a glaring difference in terms of the stuff that I reviewed for this episode.
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I'm not saying he doesn't mention him anywhere, but all the stuff I looked at, he doesn't
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bring up Bill Gates at all.
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Weird!
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Isn't Bill Gates in the Council of Twelve?
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In 2009, I think he was probably middle management.
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Yeah, he was probably still middle management.
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But yeah, he was still very involved with world public health stuff.
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You know, you get really involved when you've got several billion dollars hanging around.
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I think that Alex was able to direct his attentions at the government figures that he didn't like,
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and so Bill Gates maybe wasn't nearly as much of an evil figure.
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He had Obama, he had Napolitano- No, you don't have to worry about adding
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in extra billionaires, because you've got the government that's the most evil one you've
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ever had before.
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It's got Obama there.
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Right, and it makes more sense, the idea that Obama would be able to put in martial law
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enforcement to have vaccines, whereas the leap from Bill Gates being able to do that
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is a little- A little bit tough.
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A little bit tough.
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I admit that he's been able to pull that off.
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He's bridged that gap in the present day, not smoothly, but he's done it.
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It helps that they've already created a massive mythology around Trump divorcing him from
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the reality of who the person is to the point where you can say both, he's the most powerful
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man on the earth, and he can't do anything about anything.
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Oh no, he was tricked by Kushner again.
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Oh, simultaneously, the unstoppable can't do anything.
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Yeah.
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So here's some of the exact same sort of rhetoric that we see in the present.
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Is the public getting by on the phony boogeyman terrorists in a cave anymore as a reason to
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lock down the cities?
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This is something where we're all guilty, and the government gets to get involved in
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our lives and tell us what to do and tell us what to put in our bodies, that they're
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going to come forcibly inoculate us, inoculate us and put us in prison if we don't go along
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with what they say, quarantine us, lock our cities down, they're already beta testing
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with hotels and airports and some people's homes in Texas and California.
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People are on quarantine with police out front, keeping them on house arrest.
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I actually tricked you.
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That is a clip from 2020.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's not actually, but it could have been.
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God damn it.
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No, that's from 2009.
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God damn it.
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But it could have been.
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God damn it.
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Wait, is it?
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It's 2009.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But it's almost indistinguishable from a lot of the stuff that you're seeing.
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No, truly, truly, absolutely one to one.
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Yes.
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Brutal.
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And there's a reason.
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It's very clear.
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Money.
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So look, there are people who are fear mongering.
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Sure.
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CNN.
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Crazy.
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But there's other people who aren't.
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Who?
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Now here's an article not fear mongering.
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Sign points to milder swine flu outbreak than once feared.
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Well, don't tell CNN that.
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Yeah, don't tell CNN because they have this one article.
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This article is from Fox News that Alex says isn't fear mongering.
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But if you actually look at the article, the quotes that are in it are from the very people
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Alex is claiming are hyping this up and fear mongering.
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For instance, Dr. Nancy Cox, a flu chief at the CDC said, quote, we do not see the markers
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for virulence that we're seeing in the 1918 virus.
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Obama is cited in that article as suggesting that the flu may have run its course, like
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ordinary flus.
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Alex wants to have his cake and eat it too, and he achieves this by crafting intricate
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stories based solely on headlines.
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This Fox article is saying that the signs are pointing to a milder flu than once feared,
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which is counter to what the establishment is saying.
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But because he ignores the body of the article, Alex doesn't have to then explain the fact
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that the article is based on comments from the people within the very establishment that
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Alex is insisting are trying to fear monger and bring in martial law.
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Also if you look at the coverage of comments made by Dr. Cox around this time, you find
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articles in NPR, who's titled, flu genes suggest virus not as deadly as 1918.
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And guess what?
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You can even find an article from CNN using the exact same quote.
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Sure.
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There is a story that Alex wants to tell, and it has no relationship to the reality
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in front of him, which is why headlines are his most important tool.
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They're often flashy and vaguely written, either due to length constraints or a desire
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to drive clicks to websites, and thus, they're really easy to misconstrue, which is about
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75% of Alex's journalistic toolkit.
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Yep.
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And you see that in the present, you see that in the past.
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Yeah, you do, I mean, you do have to give it up for those solid 18th century newspapers
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in Britain and the like, where the headlines are the entire thing, and you're like, wow,
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this is an unruly headline, but on the other hand, there is that.
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Or it's like, around the world in 80 days, it's like those chapter titles that are...
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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole fucking chapter.
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In which past part two...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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Absolutely.
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This is the novel of a chapter title.
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Yeah, so look, we're, we, I think I've made about a lot of the points that I wanted to
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make or I hope to demonstrate with this.
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You see, you see these exact same tricks, a formula more or less play out that Alex
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used at the beginning of the coverage of the COVID pandemic that you see here with the
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2009 H1N1.
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And now there's a little bit more to talk about, but also this special that he did ends
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up going off the rails a little bit.
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That is...
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And so there's something nice to enjoy here at the end, almost like dessert.
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So if I understand this correctly, even in 2009, an emergency special report that is
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an hour long, it spends about 20 minutes on the topic.
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Well, I mean, the topic is still more or less, uh, like consistent throughout, but he has
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an idea for something that actually is a lot of fun.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Let me go through the other news.
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I'm gonna give out the...
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We're going to call the White House on air.
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I hadn't mentioned that.
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We're going to, I'm going to call the White House myself on air coming up in a few minutes.
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And then we're going to open up the scene.
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Let me go over the martial law, what they're selling, what they're pushing, why this is
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so important.
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And folks, if you're watching this in a month on YouTube, when it's got, you know, 200,000
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views or whatever, you call the White House too, because they're planning to run this
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in the fall of the winter.
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They're even saying it.
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This is a great training for us to have Northcom and the military take over and lock the cities
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down and have forced inoculations for your safety, uh, when the next deadly flu hits
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this winter.
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So you need to call Obama and go, look, Jack, we know what you're doing.
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And we know you're using this as the economy implodes as an excuse to put troops on the
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streets and bring in martial law.
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Didn't Biden call everyone Jack?
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I believe he did.
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Yeah.
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Listen up, Jack.
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You know, I mean, I think what I do appreciate that is I would speak to the president of
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the United States that way.
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Sure.
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That would be a delight.
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Well, I mean, listen up, Jack.
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Look, Obama did sort of curate the image of like, I sit down with world leaders and have
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a beer.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I think if anybody would be like, I'm going to, I'm going to allow people to call me Jack
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or buddy or friend or whatever.
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I think it would be Obama.
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I think Nixon would take a swing at you.
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I think Nixon depends on how drunk he was.
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Sure.
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JFK, you could get away with it.
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Oh, totally.
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But you'd already have sex with him by then.
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Also isn't his name Jack?
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His name is Jack.
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Well, you know, that's what we called him.
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Sure.
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American royalty.
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Uh, there's, there are some other things that are parallels to before we get to the actual
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phone call.
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Sure.
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And, and, and, and they admit Reuters AP that we're, this country is under UN control.
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They are directing their response to the CDC and the States and Northcom.
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And you can go read where it says forced inoculations that you have no rights.
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You can go read all of this for yourself.
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We've had this link all week long up at info wars.com and prison planet.com.
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And let me give you the name of it.
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It's world health organization checklist for influenza pandemic preparedness planning.
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And then it lists all the international laws and treaties.
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Now this is real.
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The United nations really exist.
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Here it is right here.
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Hate that.
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Tell Glenn Beck this, but here it is, it exists.
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This was a document that the WHO put together in 2005 because of the avian flu outbreak.
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This is not a list of demands the world health organization is making of everybody.
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It's just a helpful guide to establishing best practices, to be able to be ready to
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respond in the possible event of a new flu strain emerging, where health officials need
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to respond quickly to uncertain circumstances.
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It doesn't list any treaties or whatever Alex is saying, that's all just made up, but we
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see here another direct parallel to the present day.
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It's important for Alex to present the takeover plan that's being facilitated by the outbreak
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as being run by the international globalist bodies that he imagines he's fighting against.
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In this framework, the folks like Obama and Napolitano are bad, but they're really just
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under the sway of these folks like the WHO who are actually running things.
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We've seen that time and time again in terms of COVID where any form of international cooperation
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or collaboration is presented as the world health organization ruling over American sovereignty.
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That's a meaningless argument for Alex to make, but it's a very good way for him to
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fear monger to his audience that's been trained for years to be super afraid of the inevitable
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day when the UN and the international bodies would take over the United States.
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He was doing that in 2009, he was doing that prior, and he's still doing it.
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Maybe he needs another visit from the predictions board.
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Just a one trick pony.
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Yeah, I mean there's a lot of side tricks.
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It's so disappointing that it still works.
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If you spend enough time reading human history, you dream of that slow growth.
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That lesson upon lesson we grow and we change.
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Brick by brick.
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Everything.
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You know what?
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You fuck up, but you fuck up in a new way.
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If you fucked up, you'll learn your lesson from that, and you can do spirited, and it
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turns out you can just do the same ass shit for 30 years and be a millionaire.
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Well as long as you have friends like George Norie and Joe Rogan too.
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It's good to have rich friends.
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Yeah, and no shame.
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No, no, no.
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Those are the two things you need.
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Gall and rich friends.
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Maybe stimulants.
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Never go wrong with stimulants.
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So anyway, here's some more parallels to the present.
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Think about it.
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It's perfect.
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Governments everywhere are on the verge of falling.
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They're falling all over Eastern Europe, they're falling all over the planet because of the
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world implosion as they set up the new bank of the world, the new carbon taxes.
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How do they lock down cities?
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How do they set up a police state?
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How do they ban public gatherings?
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How do they ban protesting?
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How do they grandstand as saviors?
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They hype up a designer flu, and it's no doubt a designer flu.
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They did that.
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Scientists who weren't part of their cabal looked at it.
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They would at least go, yeah, this is totally new and novel.
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By the way, it looks like it's an engineer.
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This is scary.
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So they can create fear and then say, oh, it's mutating in the fall, you need to take
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the vaccine.
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Boy, it's something special they got for you in that vaccine.
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Maybe it's like the syphilis for the black man.
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Remember, that's the government that does this type of stuff thousands of times.
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See, all of this is the exact same thing.
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I'm sounding like a broken record at this point.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is going to build up to taking call, taking calls, taking calls, making the call
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to Obama.
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Yeah.
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Look, Jack, let's go ahead and call the White House.
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Here is the number we're going to call in a moment.
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Call the White House.
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Two oh two four five six one one one one.
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Be polite.
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These are just puppets.
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These are just actors.
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This is, you know, the real government is run out of the Rand Corporation and the Council
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on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, these big think tanks brag.
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They said all the real policies, the military dictatorship that works for them is based
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not in Virginia, not in D.C., but at Northcom.
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So remember, you're just calling like a group of Shakespearean actors.
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You're just calling a theater troupe.
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So don't be rude to these actors.
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You know, they work hard, man.
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They're tired.
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You know, they go home.
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Obama smokes a cigarette, you know, maybe hits a doobie or something.
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You know, he's a really good actor.
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He presents the script.
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Don't be rude.
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Let them know, hey, we know your actors.
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And the people will back you up if you just won't stage terror attacks or, you know, when
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your bosses staged terror attacks.
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That's a good deal.
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That's a good deal.
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And and and and tell your bosses we know they're hyping this to sell the public on forced inoculations
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and roundups and lockdowns.
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And we know Obama.
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Yeah, but also be polite.
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I mean, that's great.
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I love the offer.
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Uh huh.
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I love the way they're going about it.
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I think it's good advice that he's giving.
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Certainly it's how you want to communicate with people.
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If you want to reach like an understanding and like, you know, you could really see yourself
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working together with somebody when they approach you like that.
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Listen, I know everything that you're about to tell me is a lie and you're just an actor
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because you're a fucking actor.
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There's no way for us to communicate in any real way, obviously, unless you agree with
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my presentation.
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That is a part of your act.
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Also, sight unseen.
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I will not tell you what you need to agree with first.
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Yep.
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You have to just yes.
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And you got to go with whatever it is that I'm saying.
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And then I will believe you.
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Yeah.
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Oh, great.
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So Alex tries to call.
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We're calling the puppet.
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So let's go ahead and call Obama.
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I'm going to go ahead and talk to him right now.
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Let's go ahead and call the White House.
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Call the local theater going to the bathroom right now.
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Two oh two four five six one one one one.
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I'm going to call the local actors.
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We're sorry.
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Your call cannot be completed.
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This is the craziest thing we called that before the show and it worked.
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I told you they're constantly like five or six numbers and they're changing them day
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to day and they're like, they're constantly changing the number.
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They missed out.
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What are you talking about?
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Of course they miss dialed.
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But no, Alex can't even like he asks if they miss dialed and then has to walk it back to
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be like, no, it's a conspiracy.
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They've changed the number routinely.
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Couldn't couldn't just let him try one more time before you go with the conspiracy.
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Well, no, he's got to float the conspiracy and then and then we try and you try.
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OK.
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The number is good one week.
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Then it's not good the next week.
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Then it's good another week.
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What world do you live in?
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The White House comment line.
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The office is now closed.
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Your comment is very important to the president.
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So please call again between the hours of nine a.m. and five p.m.
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Now real quick.
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So he gets this answering message before we continue further.
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I want to point something out really clearly.
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Yeah.
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He's going to pretend to leave a message.
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But there is no like answering machine.
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No, there's a beep of the phone hanging up, right?
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They didn't leave a message.
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No, there's no voicemail.
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There isn't a voicemail.
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There's no leave a message.
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But he's pretending that there is.
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He's really going to try and sell me on them.
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It's not that message literally said call back tomorrow.
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Yes.
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The end.
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Eastern Standard Time.
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Monday through Friday.
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Our direct telephone number is two zero two four five six one one one one again two oh
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two four five six one one one one.
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Thank you.
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Hi, this is Alex Jones.
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I'm a syndicated radio broadcaster and produce some of the most viral videos on the web.
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The most popular you guys are up down there is the latest version of presidential actors.
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Is this what you think leaving a message sounds like?
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Let's call the White House and let the person answering the phone say you should give this
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to the higher level speech writers and people actually writing the scripts and plays for
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the actors that the American people are aware that Obama and George Bush and all of them
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are just puppets, total New World Order puppets, and that the folks at Infowars dot com are
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not closed on Saturday night like you are, because this is the real world.
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This is not a Shakespearean, thespian troop of actors.
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We are Infowars in the Infowars exposing the New World Order.
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This is also like, even if he was leaving a message, this is useful.
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That's insane.
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Yeah, it's basically a plug.
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There's nobody there.
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He's leaving a fake message that's a plug for how great he, like, we're not off.
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So zero people.
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You usually are.
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Zero people.
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It's Saturday night.
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You're doing an emergency show.
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You usually are not there.
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If I, this isn't live, right?
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What, the show?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think it is.
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Oh, you think it is live?
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I was gonna say, because you could have edited out the part where you left a message to a
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not-voiceman.
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I think that Alex is really into the authenticity of, like, you know, just let him see it all.
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Right, right, right.
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But I mean, here's the thing, okay?
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It's live.
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Nobody told him?
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Nobody?
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That they don't take messages?
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Nobody didn't give him, like, a signal of, like, cut it out?
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What's great, too, is that he called beforehand, before the show, and-
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Presumably heard the-
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He didn't realize they don't have an answer between-
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Because it's Saturday, though, right?
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Well, yes, it is.
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Saturday evening.
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So they wouldn't have answered either?
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No.
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But that doesn't stop him from continuing.
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But it's the voice that he's, he's leaving, he's using the I'm leaving a message voice.
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That's the thing that's so crazy.
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Yep, it is.
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You realize that's the crazy part?
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Well, I mean, there's a lot of crazy parts.
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We know you're not relieving bad guys.
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You're actors.
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You're hired guns to get up there and read off teleprompters.
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We understand that.
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But we're just saying to you as the puppets, since you actually talked to the bosses, Bernanke
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and Paulson and Kashkari and Geithner and others, who are just mid-level minions themselves
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to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and others, that we're not your slaves.
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We're not your property.
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This is our Declaration of Independence, my John Hancock, I'm Alex Jones.
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Bring me a pen.
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I want to sign my name big.
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Bring me a Sharpie here, as we simulcast on the radio and TV, that I want the White House
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to know we are not putting up with this tyranny anymore.
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I'm not your slave.
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You don't own me.
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And you can stage all the bird flu, swine flu crap you want so you can get involved
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in our lives and pose as our saviors and our bosses and shut down public assembly.
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We know Mexico's collapsing from your New World Order, narco-terrorism, that, you know,
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you guys bring the drugs in together.
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We know that they've staged this flu situation as a way to unify the people and get folks
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more worried about surviving than being slaves.
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But just know this.
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We're not cowards.
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We're standing up to you.
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We're speaking out against you and we're aware of your activities.
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So you want our comments?
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It's this.
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We know you as actors are aware that real human beings, real people who aren't buying
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into the puppets of the left right, are beginning to wake up to what you're doing.
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And we're not looking at the puppet Obama or the puppet McCain or the puppet Bush or
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the puppet Barbara Boxer.
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We're looking past the puppets right now to the elite that actually control things.
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And Ron Paul's got bills to audit the criminal Fed, private Federal Reserve that claims it's
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above all laws on Leer News Hour and no police, no judge, no branch of government can even
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look at it.
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That's asinine.
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We're exposing that.
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And we're going to audit the Fed.
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We're going to abolish the Fed.
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And just like Madoff, founder of the Nasdaq, a criminal, one of your bosses, all of you
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are going to end up going to prison after you've been tried by a jury of your peers
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unless you turn state's evidence against the New World Order today.
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So again, from info wars dot com, from the front lines of the info war, from the front
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lines of true liberty, this is my emancipation proclamation against you.
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I am not a sucker.
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I am not a slave.
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Your neuro linguistic programming and brainwashing doesn't work on me.
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And I'll say it again, like they say in V for Vendetta, ladies and gentlemen, ideas
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are eternal.
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Ideas go on forever and you can't stop the signal.
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You can't stop the truth.
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So you should join humanity.
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You should stop selling out to these degenerate old pot bellied European Rothschilds and Rockefellers.
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It's disgusting.
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So join humanity, White House.
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Look, stop being actors.
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Join humanity.
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Stop being puppets.
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Again, I'm Alex Jones from Austin, Texas.
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I hope you've listened to me.
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Wow.
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All right.
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Well, you can leave a long message if you'd like.
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Go ahead and call up there, ladies and gentlemen.
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I mean, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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That's great.
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That's awesome.
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Oh, my God.
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What a showman.
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If I was at the White House and I saw this the next day, I'd be like, well, we got to
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have a voicemail.
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I mean, we got to keep that.
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We got to keep these.
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Or actually I'd be like, well, that's exactly why we don't have a voicemail.
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No, I agree.
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And if we did, it would not allow you to leave a five minute message.
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I think Alex probably had run out of things to cover and was just like, well, I had planned
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this chunk, and I got to do it.
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I got to do something.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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It's kind of like if you're a standup and a bit's not working, but you got to finish
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it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You do your time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You power through.
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Yep.
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So this is really dumb, but if you think about it, this is also an analog to the present
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day.
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These days, Alex pretends that every important person in the world listens to his show, so
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he can just do full on wrestling promos, calling out people like Bill Gates, and the audience
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gets to feel that vicarious excitement of pretending that Alex is talking directly to
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and telling truth to power.
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He's standing up to the tyrants, and you're part of it.
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In 2009, Alex couldn't really pretend that anyone in power cared all that much about
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what he was doing, so this is how that same kind of vicarious thrill for the audience
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was conveyed.
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Alex is pretending to leave a message on the White House comment line where he just drones
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on and on and declares his independence, which is supposed to be like a thrill for the listeners.
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It's pretending to take a risk, which is clearly illustrated by Alex pretending to sign something
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with his John Hancock.
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This is meant to evoke the idea that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were taking
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a serious risk by putting their names on paper, since if their cause was unsuccessful, they
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would be immediately killed for treason.
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This is the same kind of risk Alex wants to pretend he's taking by faking leaving a voicemail
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for the White House.
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I will say that it's kind of hard to tell which version of this is the sketch that he's
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doing is sadder, like the version in the present or in the past, but I think it's probably
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the past because it requires the prop of the fake comment line message.
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I don't know any human being who has gone straight from poetic irony to poetic irony
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unscathed.
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I mean, the man literally left a voicemail to nowhere.
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A perfect microcosm of his life and career!
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It really is.
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He's essentially talking into a void.
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He's talking to no one and assuming that somebody's there listening to him, and not just assuming
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nobody is somebody, but that it's the most powerful people in the world.
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I think that Alex knows full well that no one's listening, but he wants the audience
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to believe that he is talking to those powerful people.
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A man walking from one poetic irony to the next, just not even bothering to look.
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The Abyss doesn't even bother to look at him anymore.
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The Abyss shan't look back.
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This is like, man, this fucking guy.
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The Abyss is over.
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Christ!
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Oh, God, I've got to get a beer.
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The Abyss is like, this dude again?
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Jeez.
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This motherfucker.
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So Alex, we have one last clip, and again, it's another parallel to the present.
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We want to have this video go viral so people know this was all a mass hoax.
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We hope, there's still a small chance that it may turn out deadly, but it's certainly
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engineered by them.
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It's certainly designer.
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We need this video to go extremely viral.
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Check out all the facts.
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Check out all the evidence.
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Check out all the information that we went over.
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Re-upping some of that fear a little bit, and then trying to use it to promote, you
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know, you've got to share all this information.
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You've got to make this go mega-viral in order to protect everyone from the thing that I'm
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making you afraid of.
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Sales classes call that the after sale.
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After you've closed, then you've got to push.
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So I understand that maybe this is retreading some territory a little bit, in as much as
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I think that we've hinted at and talked a little bit about how some of this dynamic
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works.
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But I felt that it was worthwhile to look a little more closely at some of this formulaic
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nature of the way that Alex presents his coverage, especially in the early stages of the pandemics
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or public health things.
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This should be damning.
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Now, one of the things that I think is a limitation of this is obviously, you know, later on down
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the road, Alex will transition this into the swine flu vaccine is dangerous.
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There are horrible side effects that are coming from the swine flu vaccine.
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But it's almost impossible to create a parallel to how he ended up having to weave things
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with COVID to any other period in his career, because he'd never been stuck that far out
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on a limb before.
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He never was forced to do whatever he's doing now as it relates to swine flu or to Ebola.
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And I mean, I guess I'm thankful for that, because that means less pandemics got out
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of hand.
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Yeah.
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But it is a limitation in terms of my being able to trace like, ah, this is the step that
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happens when you're forced to not move on.
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Right.
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And the awful part about Alex is that his type of bullshit, I guess, can only flower
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in a stable environment.
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One that doesn't fluctuate so far off course that it gives in to any of his extreme bullshit.
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And if he is allowed to flourish in a stable environment, his presence will be an unstabilizing
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aspect of it, which will then lead to where we are now.
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A stable environment allows Alex to exist, allows him to grow to the point where the
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unstable environment takes over.
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And then the cycle begins again and 20 years from now, there's going to be another fucking
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asshole Alex Jones who's going to do the same shit for 30 years.
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Well maybe we'll have learned our lesson by then and we'll write better headlines.
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Maybe longer headlines, much longer.
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That's the key.
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Maybe that's the key to information traveling in a responsible way.
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My contribution to the information warfare is insisting that editors write longer and
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better headlines.
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Long, long headlines that make very clear what you're about to say.
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That cannot be misconstrued.
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Absurdly redundant too.
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Like to the point where even after they've explained their point, they're like, but seriously,
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we're saying this specifically, not other things.
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This is not a hidden thing.
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And then like in parentheses, cough, cough, Alex.
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Bro, seriously.
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So we'll be back on Monday with a look at how Alex is dealing with his old buddy Stuart
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Rhodes getting arrested.
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Indeed we will.
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And I bet it will not be great.
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No, I'm sure he's going to take it well.
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I mean, think about it.
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Like I've been reflecting on this since that news broke a little bit earlier.
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And you know, of the people who are most instrumental in the rise of the Oath Keepers, I don't think
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you can name somebody more...
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You can get much bigger than Alex.
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Intimately entwined than Alex.
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He's been around since before they were an actual organization, him and Stuart Rhodes.
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Stuart's been a guest on Alex's show since the founding of the Oath Keepers.
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Yep.
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I don't know.
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Didn't he announce the founding of the Oath Keepers?
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I believe so.
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Yeah, I'm fairly certain.
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And did initial fundraising and stuff.
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Yeah, it was germinated through Infowars.
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So I can't imagine Alex taking this very lightly, but we'll see.
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But until then, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledgefight.com.
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Now go to bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZXclark.
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I'm Daryl Rundes.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
Unknown Speaker (01:43:04.180)
Hello, Alex.
Unknown Speaker (01:43:05.180)
I'm a first time caller.
Unknown Speaker (01:43:06.180)
I'm a huge fan.
Unknown Speaker (01:43:07.180)
I love your work.
