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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight, I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight, Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Need, need money.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a victim caller, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and take novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today?
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Well, interestingly Jordan, we had a wild storm yesterday, Monday, as we're recording this.
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You know, Chicago's a really interesting place.
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You're a little bit south of me and you were telling me almost nothing.
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Almost, almost.
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I mean, aside from the debris all over the place, our place did not get bothered at all.
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Well, you were also saying that you just saw a little bit of rain.
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Oh no, I saw the rain line.
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Yeah, but it was a little ways away from here.
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Yeah, yeah, no.
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Maybe 200 feet away I could see terrifying, pouring rain and I was completely dry.
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It was bananas.
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Meanwhile, up at my place.
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You got fucked up.
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Well, I'm very lucky compared to, you know, you see some pictures of like downed trees
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and what have you, but like my lights were flickering and the tree out in front of my
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place was definitely bending much more than you expect a tree to do.
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It was pretty scary and the only thing that really was going through my head was like,
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okay, I can prop, I'm from central Missouri.
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I've had a lot of tornado experience.
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I know what to do.
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I can find some place, even if I live on a top floor, I don't have a basement.
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No, we were raised rural in Tornado Alley.
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We got the game.
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You can still figure some stuff out, but I'm like, I don't know what to do with Celine.
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It really worried me what to do with her.
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Thankfully, nothing ended up happening and everything was all right here, but the bright
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spot is that as I was wandering around my house, I noticed that, I haven't even mentioned
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this, well to you I have, but not on the show, as part of my growing tons of plants, I have
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also embarked on trying to grow some bonsais from seeds, which is a ridiculously long process
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and I had kind of figured that I completely fucked it up because it's just like all it
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is is you see dirt there.
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You don't see anything.
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It's been weeks.
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No, I look forward to seeing your beauty in 20 years.
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Got a little bit of green poking up.
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Saw that after the storm.
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The new day has dawned.
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Yes.
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Like that Nelson song, after the rain washes away.
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Did God also show you a rainbow and promise never to break the covenant in the future?
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In the form of a tiny little thing of a bonsai popping out.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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So we got some bonsais coming.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Old Mantis house phone, bonsai, this place is going to be a mess.
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It's growing into something beautiful.
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How about you?
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You're going to make fun of me because-
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I probably will.
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This is commerce related, but newly minted raptor princess Emily has made us some new
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designs for the earth defense force that are now available and they are so fucking cool.
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It is really, really cool.
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Human hitting a robot with a stick.
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Yes, it's so cool.
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I hate that I got to be like, oh, it's a teacher.
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It's an awesome looking shirt.
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But it's so cool.
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It's such a cool design.
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I'm really excited about it.
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Thank you so much to Emily for designing that and allowing us to use it.
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Totally.
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Yeah, we hope to get it out closer to the episode where Alex announced the earth defense
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force.
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He has since forgotten about this announcement, but the shirt is really awesome.
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We will never forget about the earth defense force.
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Never.
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Never.
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And that's available on our-
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Public.
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Go to the website and-
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Yeah, there's a button that says merch and you can get it on a mug or a shirt.
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It'll be great.
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Yeah.
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It's so good.
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Yeah, it is pretty cool.
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So Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over that'll be interesting-ish fun.
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Okay.
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No, it is.
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It'll be a good time.
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But it's going to be August 11th, 2020.
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I'm down.
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This is 2020.
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That is Tuesday.
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All right.
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I'll admit I had a little bit of the storm gave me some troubles in terms of my workflow.
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Okay.
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Because I have not been that scared by weather in Chicago in a long time.
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We're not used to tornadoes here.
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No, and granted, I wasn't as worried as I had been in my younger years in Missouri.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Much more threatening weather sometimes there, but the uncertainty of it for a good part
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of the afternoon with just completely dark skies-
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Oh, man.
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And you're on the top floor.
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Yeah.
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That's the thing that got to me.
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I was texting you like, oh shit, he's on the top floor.
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And I think that your texts made me worry even more.
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I'm a helpful man.
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Yeah.
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So that kind of threw things off.
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All right.
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And then afterwards, I think I was so worked up about it that I had to take a nap.
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And so I think yesterday-
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Oh no, of course.
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Of course.
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Yesterday was a wash for me.
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Of course, of course.
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So anyway, here we are, August 11th, 2020.
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I'm down.
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This is 2020.
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All right.
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We're not doing it again.
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No.
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Did I do that already?
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Yes, you did.
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Oops.
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All right.
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Anyway, hey, let's take a moment to say thank you to the folks who signed up for the show
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and are supporting the show.
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I like it.
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So, Gary N. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks Gary!
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Thank you so much.
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Next, Blavit Dane.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Blav- I want to make that name disappear, hey?
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All right, nice.
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Nice.
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Next Michael D. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks Mike.
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Thank you.
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Next Ardo S. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Ardo!
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That next Abner Doubleday.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Abner Doubleday.
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Thank you so much.
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Next, Ferkin Sturf.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Ferkin Sturf.
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Thank you so much.
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Next, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on elevated level and we appreciate
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that very much.
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So, Kevin R. Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right.
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We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, Kevin.
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Yes.
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Thank you very much, Kev.
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Do you think he goes by Kev?
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He might.
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All right.
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Maybe we could talk him into it.
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I think so.
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And then finally, thank you to somebody, a very special thank you to someone who will
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be henceforth a raptor princess.
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This is a fake name.
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Fair enough.
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New Dan Mychill.
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Thank you so much for a raptor princess.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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I'll barbecue your ass.
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It's over for humanity.
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You're a beautiful soul.
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They're coming for your balls.
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Well, I piss all over your God.
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Very few people crap in the pool unless they're babies.
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I piss all over the state.
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Make it a practice of calling people pieces of garbage.
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When they are.
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Come on.
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As you see fit.
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Thank you so much.
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New Dan Mychill.
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Yes.
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If that's a real name, you're going to feel really embarrassed about that.
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I feel like I'm pretty certain it's an alias.
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All right.
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If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support
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these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefate.com, clicking
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the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
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Or you can take that generosity, fold it up into a paper airplane, throw it, have it do
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some loop-de-loops in the air, and then land at a charity in your area to help people in
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need.
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I think that's the best one you've executed so far.
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It's pretty smooth.
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That was smooth as shit.
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Yep.
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I love it.
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So Jordan, before we get to today's episode, we got a little bit of business to go over.
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The first matter in front of us is a little trip into the mail bag.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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Jordan, I have here in front of me a book.
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It is a book.
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It's a big book.
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Confessions of an Illuminati.
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Oh shit.
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It's from zigami.
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That took you a while.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Well, the title, the name is the same color as the fucking...
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It's not good graphic design.
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This is really bad.
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The second edition of Confessions of an Illuminati, the whole truth about the Illuminati and the
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New World Order by Leo Lyon Zagami.
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God damn it.
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This guy does not realize that his days as a fucking DJ are worthy of a memoir and this
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bullshit is not.
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Hey.
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Maybe that's in there.
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I'm really excited.
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Oh, that'd be cool.
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I am going to be reading this as soon as I can.
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Oh, of course.
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As soon as we hit end on the record, I'm going to be diving in and we're definitely going
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to be talking about it.
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Oh, no, no.
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We can't not.
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So this came with a little note.
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All right.
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Dan and Jordan.
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Yes, sir.
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I wanted to send you this novel of complete madness as a way of thanking you for all the
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great content you've put out over the years.
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I've been a fan since 2018 and can't thank both of you enough for consistently excellent
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content that's entertained and educated me during multiple moves and learning how to
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paint miniatures.
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I think it's so important for people to be introduced to right wing talking points with
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critical and well thought out rebuttals.
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You're essentially inoculating people against these toxic ideologies and I think that the
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impact you both have had on fighting the far right is immeasurable.
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Thank you very much.
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I disagree.
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It's totally measurable.
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I'm not saying that it's bad.
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I'm not saying we're not doing a good job.
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I'm just saying that you can absolutely measure.
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Anyway, thanks to both of you for an excellent podcast and I owe you both a novelty beverage
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one day.
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Sincerely, Policy Wonk, Brent C. Thank you so much, Brent.
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Thank you so much, Brent.
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Also, there's a postscript here.
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I'd love to make each of you a Warhammer mini as a way of thanks.
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If there's anything you know about the setting, do you have any preferences?
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Thanks.
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Oh.
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I don't know anything about it.
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Me either.
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I'm not somebody who has any experience in that arena, although I think it's some sort
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of Dungeons and Dragons-esque role-playing thing, right, but with miniature figurines.
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I think there's a role-playing, but there's a miniature figurine aspect to it.
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You create your own character.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I would assume that I would have to be a bard or some kind of a scholar.
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You could be a bard.
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Yeah.
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A cleric of some sort.
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No.
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A cleric is great.
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Then you would be a berserker type.
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I would even give you fucking Lawful Good.
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I would give you Lawful Good, Dan.
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Your alignment is great.
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Some sort of a lore where it used to be chaotic or something.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You've advanced beyond that and grown as a person.
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Brent, I don't know.
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I don't know anything about this, but I think that's an awesome... I would love to have
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miniatures.
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Totally.
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Because there's so much nonsense in terms of the show that we've talked about, whether
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it be the Project Camelot stuff.
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There's so much potential for weird lore things that I think you could let your mind go crazy
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and come up with something fun.
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Yeah, totally.
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You know, I want some kind of... Look, I'm a nerd.
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I get it.
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I want some sort of magician character.
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You know, when I was really, really young, I was athletic and my friend was very much
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not athletic.
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In a reverse kind of role play situation, he would always play as the barbarian strongman.
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And I would always play as the wizard type.
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And I've always enjoyed that.
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That's what the realm of fantasy is for.
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That's what I'm all about.
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So if there's a magic user, preferably one with a violent temper and an awful past...
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That works.
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Give it to me.
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Yeah.
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Now, Jordan, last little thing before we get to the episode.
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Sure.
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I mentioned on our last episode that we have a phone number.
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Oh, yes, me too.
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And that, of course, is 773-TAT-GUYS.
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And you'll be happy to know that we did receive some messages out of the bunch.
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So we are not going to be able to get to all of them today.
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I knew we'd get there.
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But here are some of the messages.
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First caller, and I have no idea what the fuck to say.
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Shit.
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First caller, doesn't know what to say.
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That's the call.
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I think first is a great thing to say if you're the first caller.
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But unfortunately-
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This is classic internet shit.
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Unfortunately, this person was ten minutes late.
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They were the second caller.
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Oh, no!
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Here's the actual first caller.
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Hello, Dan.
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Jordan.
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This is Motoko from Seattle.
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I'm a long-time listener.
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Second time caller.
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I actually called him a guy called Skype, but message got deleted after a month.
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It has nothing to do with Alex.
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I just wanted to know if you have any advice on Horizon Zero Dawn.
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I know Dan loved it.
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I'm just starting it.
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What should I do?
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Thank you, and have a great show.
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Advice about Horizon Zero Dawn, I would say enjoy your journey.
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My advice?
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Take some time.
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Enjoy the scenery.
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That's great advice.
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Yeah, it's great visually.
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From a gameplay perspective, my advice, get to the cauldrons early.
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You want to be able to turn all of those machines to your side.
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Yes, that is true.
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That's a huge concern.
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And the cauldrons are a lot of fun.
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Oh, there's so much fun.
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Yeah, they're like little mini dungeons, basically.
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Puzzles.
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Platforming.
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It's great.
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The cauldrons are a lot of fun.
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I found the place that has the special armor behind the big locked thing.
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You know what?
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I never got that.
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I found that almost immediately, and became obsessed with it as a quest.
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And I think that that kind of hurt my...
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Did you find it?
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Yeah, I did.
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Oh, I never did.
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It took me forever, but I did.
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But it also is gated.
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There's things you need in order to solve that that you can't do at various parts in
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the game.
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And that led to me getting really frustrated.
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So my advice would be, don't get too bogged down in specific things.
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And just enjoy and have a good time.
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It is a little bit like Assassin's Creed when it tantalizes you with that first aspect that
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you need to get the super armor, but then you have to wait like ten full chapters before
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you can get to the last one.
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So you're like, motherfucker, when am I going to get this armor?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I get you.
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But yeah, the cauldrons, that's a great tip.
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I think so.
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Because then you can override things.
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Overriding things is so much fun.
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It opens up interesting mechanics.
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Totally.
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I also think that taking your time with the hunting grounds is worth it, even though it's
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completely side to the main quest.
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That's fair.
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But that's a fun thing.
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I enjoyed those, yeah.
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All right, here's the last message for today.
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Hey, this is Pat, guys.
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I'm just calling, so I was wondering if I could order some Pat, I know during COVID
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that might be a bit difficult, but you know, I'm a man in need, as it was.
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Anyway, call me back.
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I think this introduces a problem with our phone number, and that is that people might
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be trying to order tattoos, and I think we could run into problems there.
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I did not think that through.
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I would like to know if anybody called Tat Bros.
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I can't tell you, because it's not our phone number.
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But yeah, thanks for the calls, everybody.
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We'll get to some more of them on future episodes.
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Also, we'll figure out some distribution for Tat's supplies, I guess.
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Yeah, why not?
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Yeah, why don't we do it?
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We got the phone number.
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Sure.
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So let's jump in here, Jordan.
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After far too long of an intro, here is starting up on August 11th, Alex is getting pretty
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extreme about the coming election.
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Sure.
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They are now officially announcing a plan that when Joe Biden loses in a landslide despite
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their election fraud, that they are going to have every blue state secede and have their
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own inauguration.
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Ooh.
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Ooh, I like this idea.
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I'm a president and completely dividing this country.
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This is how foreign enemies can take down the United States, not with an outward military
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attack, but with a collapse from within.
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And that is our top story continuing, we'll be covering it.
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So that's the top story.
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So is he against secession now?
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He was for 10th Amendment assertions of seceding back in 2009.
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He was in favor of that when there was talk of gun laws.
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And he also believes that Texas is its own country, and so therefore it just could do
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whatever the fuck it wants.
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It is beholden to no laws.
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Right, right, right.
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I think this is, actually, honestly, if this plan was true, I think this is a win for Alex,
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right?
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No.
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It's a reverse secession for them.
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What are you going to be mad that you guys aren't the ones who get to secede?
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We're seceding from you.
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That's essentially the same as you seceding from us.
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I think he would be very mad about that.
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I think that he would be like, no.
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That's fair.
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You're right.
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You don't fire me, I quit.
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I don't want to play with you, but I don't want you to not want to play with me.
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That's probably totally true.
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It's all petulance and narcissism.
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Oh my God.
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That's so sad.
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But this is just about what we talked about on the last episode, that war game session
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that one of the scenarios that they explored was the possibility of Biden not conceding
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the election in basically the 2000 election, but with a fight or whatever.
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That's what Alex is pretending is the official plan that they've announced.
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That's where we're at.
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I think it's a great idea, but we're just going to have to move Atlanta somewhere.
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The red state, blue state thing, Atlanta's still trapped in the red state.
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What about purple states, my friend?
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Purple states, two-fifths, what about purple stuff?
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That song.
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Purple stuff.
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I thought you were talking about the Sonny D commercial.
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No, I'm talking about Big Mo.
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I want that purple stuff.
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Have you ever seen that music video, Purple Stuff?
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No, I've never seen that music video.
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For Big Mo?
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Yeah.
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It's a great, rest in peace Big Mo, by the way, he died from codeine, which is what purple
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stuff is.
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Very sad.
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This is a whole Siverta situation all over again.
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That video is amazing.
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It's a pretty good song.
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I enjoy it.
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Then it also has this very weird, unnecessary Willy Wonka kind of thing going on.
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All right.
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I like it.
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Anyway.
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Yes.
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This next clip, Alex said something that really got me excited because it's one of the indications
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to me that maybe he's going to try.
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We always know that I get very pumped when Alex is like, I'm going to prove something.
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And I thought that's what was coming here, but I'm not sure if you followed through with
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this.
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I have three huge stories here.
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All of which we have broken, all of which Info Wars is discovered, all of which no one
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even knows about.
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Now it isn't about the credit, but I want listeners to understand one of these stories
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would devastate the COVID hoax.
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We have three of them.
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I got so pumped because it's like, all right, we got three strikes coming.
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Somebody's going to devastate the COVID hoax.
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Well, I mean, like Alex is going to be like, here's story number one, and then I can take
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care of that.
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Here's story number two.
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I'm going to take care of that.
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Of course.
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He doesn't really specify what the three stories are.
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I'm not sure he got to all three of them.
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I honestly don't know.
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We could guess if the three are various things that are covered along the way, but he doesn't
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make it explicit.
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Is Bill Gates one of the three?
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No.
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He's still one of the 12.
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He's one of the 12.
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Yes, for sure.
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All right.
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I don't think that this is one of the three giant stories, but Alex rambles about something.
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It actually allows me to put into context something he talked about on a previous episode.
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Okay.
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And then you learn there's hundreds of stories, one every day about, oh, this LGBT professor,
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she died of COVID, doesn't exist, being put out by psyops.
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So on our last episode, I mentioned that Alex was vaguely accusing fake people of being
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included in COVID death numbers, and we discussed how dangerous an evolution that is in terms
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of his rhetoric.
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One of the things that I took the most issue with was the lack of any specific details
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that would tell people what he was talking about.
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And at least this time he's being a little bit less vague.
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This story is about a Twitter hoax.
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Yeah, I remember this one.
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It was run by an account called sciencing underscore bi.
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The account purported to be an LGBTQ indigenous professor at the Arizona state university
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who had caught COVID-19 and then apparently passed away from it.
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People who've looked into the details of the story have found that many elements of that
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person's story don't match up with reality, including claims of teaching, uh, uh, when
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at a point no classes were in session.
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And the fact that ASU had no faculty members die of COVID-19 in the time period when this
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person was said to have died.
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And she was dating Monte teo.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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That's an old, okay.
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That was a little bit.
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Fine.
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Fine.
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It's dated.
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What do you want from me?
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It's not a bad joke.
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It's just a ways back.
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It's just maybe.
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When do we have a, what's the most recent catfishing story?
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Maybe.
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Is that like seven years ago?
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That was a long time ago.
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I know.
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I'm sorry.
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Anyways.
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How's that Monica Lewinsky stuff go?
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Not bad.
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As far as the joke goes, the construction was there.
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It wasn't appropriate reference.
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It was just, I don't know how many people remember.
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You know what?
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It's fine.
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It's fine.
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My references are great, Dan.
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So this person's death was reported by a Twitter account run by a woman named Beth Ann McLaughlin.
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According to an article in Heavy, McLaughlin's lawyer gave the New York Times a statement
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that said, quote, I take full responsibility for my involvement in creating the at sciencing
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underscore by Twitter account.
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My actions are inexcusable.
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I apologize without reservation to all the people I hurt.
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It's really hard to say exactly what's going on with the situation or what people's motivations
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were, but from what I can gather, it looks like McLaughlin had been running a fake Twitter
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account purporting to be an indigenous anthropology professor at ASU for a few years.
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In that time period, she had tricked a number of folks into thinking the professor was a
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real person, and then she decided to pretend that she died of COVID-19.
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This is what it looks like from the information that I can find.
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This is why specifics are important.
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If you're alleging that there are fake people claiming to have died of COVID-19 and this
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is the story you're talking about, we can engage with that responsibly and look at the
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details of the story and conclude that most likely what's going on here is a Twitter hoax.
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People do stuff like this all the time, and it's one of the reasons why you have to be
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pretty careful with social media.
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However, there's absolutely no reason to pretend that this story involves any of the elements
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that Alex is claiming it does.
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For one, there's no reason to think that this Twitter persona's alleged death is being included
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in anyone's statistics.
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That's a complete fabrication of Alex's mind.
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The second thing is that there's no reason for Alex to suggest that this was a work of
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psy-op specialists.
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That's a claim that he's making that he's obligated to support.
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He needs to defend that assertion, which he can't do beyond just saying it and then asserting
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and insisting that it's a fact.
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What you end up doing when you act this way is that you really end up muddying the waters.
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The baseline story is about a really interesting and bizarre case of someone apparently running
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a fake Twitter account that they decided to kill off with COVID-19, but because of how
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Alex is speaking so vaguely about it and making up details to suit his purposes, it's easy
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for the audience to come away with the impression that things are very different.
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If you didn't look into it, you might think that the underlying story in the mainstream
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media is that a professor at ASU had officially died of COVID-19, but Alex and his crack staff
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had uncovered that she didn't actually exist.
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Yeah, any one of these three stories will do it.
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You can easily see how the conclusion you'd be left with would be different based on the
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two different versions of the story, and that confusion is Alex's goal.
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It's a twisting of reality that leads people to a desired conclusion.
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That's the game he's playing, and that's why specifics are so dangerous for him.
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When he first talked about it, it was just, hey, there's fake people dying of COVID, and
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it's like, well, that's a really dangerous idea to suggest, but you're not giving me
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anything to go on, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Now that you bring in that it's an LGBTQ professor who's fake, I can find out what this is, and
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I can say, oh, this is a completely different story, has nothing to do with what you're
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talking about.
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No, it's very much a situation where specifics hurts him, but vagueness hurts us, where it's
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like-
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Vagueness hurts everyone.
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Vagueness hurts everyone.
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I just...
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Hold on.
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One second.
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I need you to confirm this for me.
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Please.
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She pretended to be an LGBTQ indigenous professor.
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I think so.
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That's the information I can find.
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I can't say that with certainty, but it appears that that is the case, and that article in
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Heavy does seem to indicate that she has confessed to such.
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And in her apology, she wrote, I apologize without reservation.
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Oh.
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Now, did she parenthesize pun intended or unintended?
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Because if you don't parenthesize that, man, you're fucking with my head.
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That's right.
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That's-
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That's really fucking with my head, Dan.
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That's a pretty good point.
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Are you fucking with me?
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And apparently, that was a quote from her lawyer, so maybe we can't attribute that to
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her.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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That's fair.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Yeah, that is-
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Damn, that's...
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Are you fucking with me?
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Maybe.
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All right.
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I mean, I'm not.
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Okay.
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So this, I think, is one of Alex's three stories.
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Okay.
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I think not that one.
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No, no, no.
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This next one-
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Oh, okay.
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Okay, okay.
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I think is one of Alex's three stories.
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Gotcha.
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This is an interesting story in Axios, and he's pretending that he's gotten to the bottom
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of a deeper reality.
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Okay.
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And then he just dives off the deep end to do some gross Islamophobia.
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All right.
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From Axios, 97,000 children test positive for COVID-19, a school's eye reopening.
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He thought he might actually go to the report they're using from the National Hospital Association.
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They get these numbers from the CDC, Children's Hospital Association.
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They're counting people, and almost all of them are 24 years old or 19.
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Got them.
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They're now counting, just like they count 30-year-old migrants, invaders, Islamist men
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as children, and put them in school, in middle school with your daughters.
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And German TV says in actual shows, oh, this is Inga.
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She's 14.
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She has her 18-year-old boyfriend now.
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They're getting married.
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He's from Syria.
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He's like a 30-year-old dude.
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They're literally matchmaking your daughters with Islamicists.
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Wow.
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Because they promise them in the ads, come to Germany, you get women.
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Come to Sweden, you get women.
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And they're like the women, the grown-up women are like, I don't want this deadbeat Islamicist
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chop my head off, but they can give them a dumb 14-year-old.
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A lot of them get tortured and killed.
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My point is, is that this is the age of total deception, ladies and gentlemen.
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I thought your point was about an Axios story.
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No, no, no.
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Is that the, this is the age of total deception.
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Ayyy.
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No, no, no.
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It's okay.
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So let's refer to the details of the story.
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Right.
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So this is about coronavirus, COVID-19, Axios, youths being diagnosed with COVID-19.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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And that's because young women in Sweden are marrying.
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They're being matchmade.
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They're being matchmade.
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By the U.N.
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By the matchmaker from Mulan?
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No, the U.N.
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We are meeting our matchmaker.
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I mean, that's just disgusting xenophobic trash.
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Just say everyone non-white is coming for your daughters.
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That's all you want to say.
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We're going all the way back.
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Let's just start in the Jim Crow area.
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That's the underpinning of things.
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Let's just do it.
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Leaving that disgustingness aside, Alex is lying about that Axios thing.
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The reason there's some age confusion about the data in that report that is what Axios
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is reporting on, which is from the American Academy of Pediatrics, is that the only thing
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that they can go on is state-level data, and each state has a different way of classifying
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age cohorts.
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That's smart.
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If you do go look at the data, you can see this very clearly called out on page three
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as one of the limitations of the data set.
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But yet, Alex is still lying.
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There's only one state that lists people up to age 24, and that's Alabama.
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From the page about data limitations, quote, Alabama reported children as ages 0 to 24
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and is excluded from some figures.
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The people compiling the report recognize that this was outside the range of what they
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were talking about, and thus had to exclude the state's data lest it throw things off
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too much.
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Sure.
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Tennessee and South Carolina included people from ages 0 to 20, but most states had a cut
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off of 17, 18, or 19.
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If you actually go and look at the charts where the statistics that are being reported
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are taken from, you'll see a little disclaimer saying, quote, Alabama and Texas excluded
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from figure.
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This is because the state-level data from Alabama was unreliable given the age range,
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and Texas was excluded because, quote, Texas reported age distribution for only 8% of all
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cases.
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Neither of these states could be reliably sorted into this data set, so they were excluded.
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What this actually means is that the real number of child cases of COVID-19 is higher
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than what's being reported, because there are obviously some children in Alabama and
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Texas who have gotten sick.
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Did you say that the age range was only reported for 8% in Texas?
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Yeah, but that's the state decision of some sort.
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I understand that's the state decision.
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Someone has that data, but it's just not reported to the...
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Wow.
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I don't know.
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Oh, man, it is over for humanity.
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There will only be lone survivors, Dan.
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Essentially, what's going on is that Alex is misrepresenting something he doesn't understand
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about this report, and he's relying on that misunderstanding to report the exact opposite
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of the truth.
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He's saying that these numbers are exaggerating, and that they're counting 24-year-olds when
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in reality the only state that goes up that high is excluded from the data set, thereby
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excluding also the gross number of people who are under 15, 16 years of age who have
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tested positive in Alabama and Texas.
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The study raised and addressed his concerns well before he even thought about it.
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That's almost always the case with these things.
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They tend to think about stuff in advance, Dan.
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Have you ever heard of that?
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Yeah.
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That's a large part of what going to higher education is about.
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Oh, yeah, no, that's a great idea.
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It's about instilling methodology.
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Oh, no, no, that's a good idea.
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Now, also, Alex is a racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic piece of shit who can't even be bothered to
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do his job with any degree of competence, and it's maybe more important.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Now, it's been a while since I've gotten to hear Alex and his natural element.
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You know, sometimes-
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Singing along to the highwaymen?
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Well, that's certainly one of the places that he feels most at home.
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You know, I mean, you could go to a zoo and you could see an animal and it's kind of depressing
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because they're in a cage.
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But if you go in nature and you see a deer, it's kind of like, ah, that's where it belongs.
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This is Alex, kind of where he belongs.
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Saxophone is where he belongs.
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Yeah, we're under U.N. control.
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I can face it.
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I know you can too.
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So basically, yes, the highwaymen.
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You can hear it.
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Oh, yeah.
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We're getting near it.
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Oh, we're getting near it.
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You son of a bitch.
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You don't have any choice.
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He pulls me back in.
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My ancestors did.
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We've defeated swim masters before.
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We'll beat them again.
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Make no mistake.
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We're going into bondage right now.
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If it doesn't make every cell in your body surge with energy to resist it, there's something
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wrong.
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It's time to wake up, it's time to decide that you're not going to adapt to being a
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slave.
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But we're going to throw this thing off together.
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You're great.
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You know, to the future, we're not going to let these tyrants steal the future from us.
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We're going to let this attack energize us to rise to the occasion.
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Yeah, Alex's natural environment is giving vapid pump up speeches that are pretty aggressive
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and maybe a little bit of insinuating of violence over you belong to the city.
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Clear eyes belong to the city, can't lose.
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I can't believe that there were years of his show that he didn't have that as bumper music.
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I don't understand.
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It's just such a-
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It's where he belongs.
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It's such a perfect juxtaposition of his, like, we will take out the globalists over
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this goddamn eagle's ass saxophone Glenn Frey nonsense.
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It's so good.
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Oh, man.
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Just start playing Dave Matthews Band and let's move on with our lives.
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I swear to God, if he could do that for three hours-
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It'd be great.
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I mean-
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It would be great.
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I don't understand why he wouldn't do that.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Which is where he imagines himself as, like, General Patton.
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Seriously.
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Like, no, if he went full Joe Frank on us and just gave us small, like, little mini
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pieces of just, like, pure distillation of insanity, that'd be great.
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It'd be awesome.
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You could put him as bumper music on all shows.
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There was that nice stretch where he was, like, almost every day doing a speech over
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you belong to the city.
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It's great.
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And I hadn't heard it in a while and I missed it.
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Yeah.
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So I'm glad that came back.
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That is good stuff.
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Yep.
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So there's a lot of censorship going on about conservatives, you know?
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That doesn't sound right.
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They're not allowed on anything anymore.
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They're allowed a lot of places.
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An astonishing number of places.
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It turns out that now they can't use phones.
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There's not much further to go other than not letting us use text messages or phones,
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and now Laura Loomer's in the lead to win the Republican primary and to beat the Democrat
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in the general election.
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So now she's not allowed to use a telephone.
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They've turned her telephone service off.
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She's joining us today.
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To pay her bill.
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We don't allow hate.
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Sorry.
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Your campaign system can't send text messages to people.
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Oh, that's a little different.
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Stories on Infowars.com.
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That's the plan.
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It's here.
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I got a lot of red flags on this story.
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The article on Infowars relies entirely on a video that Laura Loomer recorded of herself
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claiming that Xfinity and Comcast have banned her from sending texts and emails to her supporters.
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Sounds trustworthy to me.
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It's unclear how this mechanism would even work, considering that they're just utility
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providers and her messages would most likely be delivered through third-party platforms
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like MailChimp for emails or... Anyway, Loomer provides literally no evidence for her claims
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in the video, and based on her incredibly embarrassing and deceitful history, I'm not
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going to take her word on anything.
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If, you know, if a utility is blocking somebody from using their service like a phone or internet
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based on political beliefs, then I do oppose that.
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Yes, agreed.
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I just don't believe Laura Loomer that that's what's happening in this case.
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Not for a second.
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So I looked into this a little further and take what I'm about to say with a grain of
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salt because I found this article on Breitbart.
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The article claimed that they had a statement from a Comcast spokesperson who said, quote,
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we're reaching out to the campaign and have made a technical fix that will resolve this
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issue within 24 hours.
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We're continuously working to protect our customers from potential security threats.
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In this case, our security platform, which leverages widely used third-party threat intelligence
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services, flagged the texting provider used by Laura Loomer's campaign as a potential
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threat.
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Anyone using this texting provider would have had the same experience, not only with our
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service, but with any security service using similar threat intelligence lists.
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The security alert had nothing to do with the content sender of any communication, content
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or sender.
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Yeah, I mean, when you work with a texting company called Nazi.great, you're not going
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to do great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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If this Breitbart article is to believe, then the issue is not related to Loomer's campaign
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as much as it is that she was working with a mass texting company that might not be very
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legit.
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Putin's free texting company.
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It kind of makes sense.
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I mean, she has bad instincts and associates with absolutely shady people, so I could see
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her using a disreputable company to handle her campaign correspondence.
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Even if this is the case, apparently Comcast's been responsive to the issue and is working
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to resolve it.
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This is, at worst, a normal inconvenience someone might run into in their lives, but
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because people like Laura Loomer are so invested in their identity as a victim, the whole thing
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becomes a grand plot against them because everyone's so scared of their ideas.
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Loomer releases a video playing the aggrieved, noble but censored conservative, and then
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people like Alex can report on that video, unquestioningly accepting her framing because
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it also serves their purposes and fits their narratives.
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As is the case with so much of the stuff we see on Infowars, this is an instance of someone
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taking their own personal inconveniences and extrapolating them into being broad conspiracies
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against them.
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Laura's texting company is shady, so this ends up being reported as conservatives will
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soon have no phones.
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Alex's wife has to make a reservation at a park, and this ends up being reported as an
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Agenda 21 takeover of state parks.
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It's all just narcissism run amok, that's all that's going on.
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A representative from Comcast also said that we immediately flagged the texting company
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called Nikolai Ciao text you.
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That's all right.
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That's all right?
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Yeah.
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That wasn't bad.
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Well, Ceausescu's certainly more relevant than Manti Teo, so even though it's an older
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reference-
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You're shitting on me today, damn!
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It's not shitting, it's being analytical.
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Okay, all right, all right, look, they can't all be home runs, sometimes you hit a single.
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Sometimes you hit a bloop single over the third baseman, it's still good.
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I think one of the problems is that, and I think this is the difference between how you
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and I engage with things, is that I'm not always a laugher.
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No, I accept that, that's the challenge.
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You laugh at things.
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That's the challenge.
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And I can appreciate a Nikolai Ciao text you.
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I can appreciate that.
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It's not bad.
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But I might not laugh at it.
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Fair, no, no, no, it's fair.
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The Manti Teo thing I think was funny.
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I'm just probably not going to laugh at it the same way that you might anywhere.
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I know, it's that denial of approval that makes this show work, Dan.
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You're my dad, all right?
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That's what's happening.
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It's not a lack of approval.
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I approve and I appreciate.
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I just might not laugh.
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When I get a smirk or a little laugh out of you, I feel like it's an accomplishment.
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That's why you can't-
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I feel like you should-
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You can't give it to me on Ciao text you.
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You can't.
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I gotta work harder.
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Still pretty good.
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You should translate me saying, ah, all right.
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That's the equivalent of like a belly laugh.
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Okay, all right.
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All right.
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I buy it.
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So anyway, Alex gets to some headlines here.
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Maybe this is another one of his three stories.
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I don't know.
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Sure.
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Maybe.
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So let's go over some of these articles.
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Why the WHO faked a pandemic.
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Forbes magazine 10 years ago, Michael Fimento, and it goes all over how they staged a whole
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fake deal in the Rockefeller Foundation and the CDC and Fauci to see how the public will
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respond.
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And what did Gates say three months ago on Colbert?
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He said, this is really just a drill.
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The real attacks coming from terrorists, it'll be much worse.
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This is a drill.
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This is a lockdown drill to see how you'll behave.
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And if you grovel and behave, they're going to release something far worse.
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I mean, go watch it for yourself.
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Michael Gates didn't say those things in that interview.
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That was just Alex's imagination interpreting comments to mean those things.
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No, I'm pretty sure Obama said that too in Africa in 2010.
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So there are a couple of important points about that article in Forbes, even though
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Alex is accurately reading the headline.
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The first thing is that this article is from February 2010 and it has to do with complaints
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about swine flu.
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The second thing is that Michael Fimento, the author, has a pretty suspicious credit
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on his byline.
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He's not listed as a scientist or a researcher or even a journalist.
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He's identified as a, quote, subscriber.
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Oh, no.
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This is an audience-submitted op-ed that Forbes published, which doesn't quite reach the platinum
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level of evidence that Alex is holding it up to be.
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As a columnist, Fimento has a dodgy history.
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He seems to have made a brand out of telling people to calm down about things.
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All right.
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Like in the late 80s, HIV-AIDS.
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Hold on.
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Michael Fimento has been submitting comment or bullshit for...
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He's also been a published columnist throughout some period of time.
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And he wrote a book called The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS.
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Oh, boy.
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So we've got a hero on our hands.
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Also, he's told people to calm down about climate change and Monsanto.
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Does he think that Magic Johnson actually means magic?
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I don't know.
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But with Monsanto, he got in a little bit of trouble back in 2006 when it was revealed
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that he'd failed to report that he'd profited financially from a Monsanto grant for the
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Hudson Institute, where he was employed.
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And he'd written positive things about Monsanto.
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It's so wild when the justice system has been bought and paid for by a large multinational
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corporation like Chevron or Monsanto.
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I'm sure it was a sincere slip-up and not an instance of someone writing positive articles
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about an entity that indirectly funded them.
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I'm sure it was totally about that.
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That sounds right.
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That sounds right.
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Anyway, another target of Fimento's calm-down scolding was the swine flu outbreak of 2009.
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This op-ed in Forbes is in no way conclusive and has nothing to do with the topics that
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Alex is pretending that it does.
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There's no mention of the Rockefeller Foundation or of Dr. Fauci.
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This is just another example of Alex taking a headline that works for him and making up
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a story about what the article actually says.
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Articles and headlines are props for Alex.
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All of the details are just things he's pulling out of thin air.
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Also, just because it's funny, Michael Fimento, another article that he wrote with his vein
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of calm-down scolding was about anti-vaxxers and telling them to calm down, vaccines are
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great.
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No big deal.
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Come on, vaccines are great.
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I'm sure Alex would love to engage with that article at some point.
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It seems like pretty much almost everything that I can find of him is accusing everyone
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of being hysterical about topics all across the board.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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I don't know.
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All right.
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I don't know.
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Plague, bubonic, calm down.
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No big deal.
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What are we talking about here?
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Vandals coming to our home.
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No big deal.
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The important thing is that it does have a headline that is saying that the World Health
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Organization faked a pandemic when the article doesn't prove that.
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It's a user-submitted op-ed that got published on Forbes, and this guy has a decades-long
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track record of basically all of his work just being telling people to shut up.
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This medium post by Dick Bag McGee means that we're all going to die.
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You're worried about this thing?
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Yeah.
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You're crazy.
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Calm it down.
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You're hysterical.
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Calm it down.
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What are you talking about?
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What are we, bothered about slavery?
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It's the economy.
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What are you doing?
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It'll take care of itself, Dan.
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Yeah.
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For a long time, Alex has been making the claim that on the CDC's own materials that
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they say that all the tests are false positives, basically.
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Sure.
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And he never really gives any specifics about it, so I've never really been able to engage
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with it.
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In this next clip, Alex gives an indication of where he's pulling that information from.
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And again, he has to not be specific, because when he does, it reveals this stuff.
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CDC, 2019 novel coronavirus, real-time RTPRC diagnostic panel.
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PCR.
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This is the official CDC, and it says on page three, do not rule out bacterial infection
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or co-infection with other viruses, false positives.
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They admit most of the tests are false.
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And Gates just had to admit, okay, yeah, most of the tests are false.
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Yeah, because they put them out.
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This is one of the most damning instances of Alex playing games.
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So this is just a stray line that he found in this document.
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He hasn't read this thing.
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The full sentence he's reading is, quote, the 2019 novel coronavirus RNA is genetically
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detectable in upper and lower respiratory specimens during infection.
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Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019 novel coronavirus, but
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do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
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The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.
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You can easily see the trick Alex is playing here.
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He starts the sentence at, quote, do not rule out, which changes the grammar of the sentence.
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When you start the sentence that way, it appears to be a command telling people to do something.
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When in reality, the sentence starts with, quote, positive results are indicative of
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active infection, but do not rule out, which is saying that a positive result would show
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COVID-19, but also that doesn't mean the patient may not be suffering from another condition
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also.
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It's a warning, not a command.
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Exactly.
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In the proper context, all this line is saying is that if you find someone tests positive
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for COVID-19, that doesn't rule out, that there's a possibility that their diagnosis
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will ultimately be more complicated.
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Headline, CDC says, be thorough.
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Alex could not make this misrepresentation without omitting the beginning of that sentence.
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So this is absolutely a case of him consciously lying about what the document says or him
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repeating a report that someone else who's consciously lying created without confirming
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it in any way for himself.
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There's no way around this because it's so specific, the way the sentence has been changed,
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to start mid-sentence to appear to be a command.
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It's so fucking manipulative.
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I'm going to give this one to a lower level researcher on that kind of a lie right there.
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Dramatically, I wouldn't give Alex the strength, I know I would assume that it's secondhand
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and Alex just hasn't confirmed it in any way.
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But the thing that's important to recognize is that wherever it's starting from, it's
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absolutely conscious.
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Oh, totally.
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Because that sentence makes perfect sense in its entirety and it changes meaning when
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you started in the middle.
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And that's just unacceptable.
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That should be suable.
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I don't know.
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Maybe not.
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Maybe not.
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Lying motherfucker, is that the lawsuit title?
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Perhaps.
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So Alex wants to take some calls on this show, but he wants to take calls specifically about
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Tapros?
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No, about his manufactured narrative about blue states seceding.
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I want to open the phones up, starting really the next segment on the subject I raised yesterday
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and the subject I raised today.
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So I politely ask listeners that are going to call to call in about your take, your view
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on the Democrats and now being in the New York Times at the top Democrat strategy meeting
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saying we're going to have the states secede, we're going to have our own inauguration and
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say Joe Biden is the president, and then the military will have to decide who they believe
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the real government is.
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And they are running around saying the military will then remove Trump.
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I mean, that's their next hoax.
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So Alex has decided that this is the plan, this is what's going to happen, and he wants
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his audience to commiserate about this because it'll be some fun, violent talk.
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Really be prepared for the thing that we are accusing them of doing while we are doing
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it.
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Uh-huh.
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So Alex doesn't get to call us for quite a while because he has something else he has
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to do.
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Sure.
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And this is very uncharacteristic.
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Okay.
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But I have a correction to make.
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What?
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At the end of the last hour, I put out fake news that it was an accident and I apologize.
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So there is a number of things that Alex has said so far on this show that desperately
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need a correction.
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Okay.
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One, the complete misrepresentation of the guidelines about PCR tests that Alex made
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by chopping off the beginning of that sentence.
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All right.
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I'll give you that one.
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Two, the misrepresentation of the Axios article about children with COVID-19, where he failed
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to mention that the cohort of people who were 24 and considered children were only in Alabama
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and were explicitly excluded from the dataset because of this.
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All right.
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Three, the horrific Islamophobia he wove into that misrepresentation for no reason.
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Four, his taking Laura Loomer at her word about her dumb campaign for Congress being
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censored.
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And others, but that's four various journalistic fuckups that he's made in less than an hour
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of his show.
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So I expect that one of these should definitely be the thing that he's apologizing for.
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That's a good one.
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No, it's not.
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Oh, no.
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So I'm sorry.
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I said 0.32.
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I'm sorry.
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He's talking about the Texas death rate.
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Great.
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It's a fraction of that.
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How much smaller is 0.32 from 0.32?
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Can somebody do the math in there?
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What?
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What fraction of that is that?
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Because that's some horrible fake news I put out.
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God, I ought to work for the UN.
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I just told you that it's hundreds of times worse than it is.
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I'm sorry.
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I misread it.
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It wasn't on purpose.
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I admit it.
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It's not 0.32.
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It's 0.032.
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Yeah.
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So that's his big correction that he misread a number.
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I would say that that's great.
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I mean, great to do a correction, but also there's more substantive corrections you need
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to be focusing on, Alex.
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Well, there's that.
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Because these are like...
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I'm going to be honest.
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That one seems a little disingenuous to me.
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I don't think he was really meaning that as a full-throated like...
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Making a real pageant out of that false apology.
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I don't think that was a heartfelt correction there.
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I kind of think that he was being very dismissive of people who might think that a correction
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was more important.
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That he needs to make some corrections?
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I think he might be dismissive of that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because he could be like, hey, Alex, you fucked up all this stuff.
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He's like, no, when I get something wrong, I'm very comfortable admitting it on air.
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Oh, sure.
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I said that it was 0.32 and it's 0.32.
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I think I've heard somebody talk like that before.
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Fuck yourself.
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Oh, boy.
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So anyway, the thing is that cases are going up in places like Texas.
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Sure.
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It's going up and Alex knows why.
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Okay.
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But see, the death number is going straight down like a lead balloon, but the infection
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rate is going straight up because I just showed you the CDC's own website, if you had a bacterial
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infection or the flu or a cold in the last decade, on average, you are going to have
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the genetic material that you will also have if you had COVID-19.
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This is just from that guidelines with the do not rule out thing.
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He's pointing back to that.
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That's not proof of shit.
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Alex, let's just talk about the concept of time real quick.
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Now let's say that somebody gets the virus and there's what, a two week, well, 10 day
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period in between when you get the virus and when the symptoms start to really accelerate.
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So it suggests that if the case rate was going up, then the death rate would follow later.
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Right.
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And you can't really expect the exact same trajectory as the first time cases were really
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getting out of control because we have more information than we had the last sort of round,
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as it were.
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So yeah, you'd expect a delay just from just sort of how it works, just how time works.
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And then you wouldn't expect it to be identical, but yeah, this is all just stupid.
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Anyway, Alex, he gets around to talking again about this story in Axios.
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He wants to really report on this.
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And it turns out that he didn't figure this out.
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Who did?
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His tech guy.
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Oh, okay.
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We can put this on screen.
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This is a huge, it's my wife's tennis partner.
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And it's not because even one of the producers or writers or researchers found it, but one
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of our computer switchers is a really smart guy.
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He just decided when he saw this article the other day to go actually read the study and
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see that's what you need to do.
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So now he has his own show, 97,000 children test positive for COVID-19 a school's reopening.
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Nobody's dying.
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Not one of them.
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The stories they put out are fake kids.
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A lot of them don't even exist.
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Wow.
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Why is mainstream news putting out fake kids or fake LGBT?
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Because it's a psy-op, they're going for broke.
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Why not?
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You tell a thousand lies, tell a million lies.
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That's not good.
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All right.
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We went back from specific to vague, bad for everybody.
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And escalation.
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That's way worse in terms of the fake people.
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Tons of kids, not even real.
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Never gotten in trouble for saying that kids aren't real before.
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Yeah, you got to be real fucking careful, Alex, you're dancing on.
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And I'm not even talking about be careful because I think you'll get sued again.
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I think be careful because of the consequences that these types of narratives cause.
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You hurt innocent people.
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You want to do something that maligns like George W. Bush.
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I think you should always try as best as you can to deal with reality on reality's terms.
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But if you're going to do something that just victimizes George W. Bush, I'm going to debunk
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things as best I can, but I'm not worried about it as much.
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He's rich, he has security, all that stuff.
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And I don't have a line as to what he deserves.
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Individuals and private citizens that can be hurt by rhetoric and narratives like this
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make it so much more abhorrent and you can't allow yourself to act this way.
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I think what's fucked up is that my reaction to that is in the context of Alex, I know
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he won't experience any guilt for the actual people he harms.
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So when talking about something like this, it's so hard to remember to focus on, he's
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not just going to get himself sued.
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He's going to hurt people.
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You can't do stuff like this.
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You can't allow whatever you're doing to target people who are just people.
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Not least of which, just because I would prefer to deal with the consequences of my own actions
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and not a secondhand action, do you know what I'm saying?
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So Alex gets into this paper and this actually really worried me, the way he's thinking.
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These signs of like, this paper is delicious, that'd be less worrying.
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This indicates to me just a completely faulty grasp of reasoning.
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It was really scary.
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Doctor Camshaw, please.
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So they say, according to this, why there's record numbers and then it turns out 90 plus
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percent in the data from 49 states that report, one I've been reporting, almost all of them
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are 17 and up, up to age 24.
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Look at the map.
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Yellow is zero to 14.
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Only Florida and Utah report anybody testing positive that's under 14.
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Where else is 17, 18, 19, 20, 24?
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They're counting people up to 24 in Alabama.
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So there's absolutely no reason to suggest that just because a state counts people who
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are ages zero to 17 as children, that most of the cases of COVID-19 in that cohort must
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be 17 year olds, which is what he's suggesting.
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There's literally nothing in this report that indicates that, and it's just something he's
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making up.
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This is now realized that only Alabama includes people up to age 24 in the definition, but
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he's still refusing to report that the page he's looking at explicitly says that Alabama
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data is excluded from the set.
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Ride or die on that lie, Dan.
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This is the hill he will die on.
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This is really weird to me because, okay, so there's like Florida has zero to 14 is
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considered a kid, a child in there.
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And then so a bunch of other states are zero to 17, and Alex is acting like when it's zero
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to 17, that actually means 14 to 17.
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And Florida is the only state that's even counting zero to 14.
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That's what I thought he was saying.
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That is what he's saying.
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That is not accurate at all.
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That's bananas.
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That is incredibly scary because that's either thinking that your audience will accept that,
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which is terrifying, or just the cognition and the reasoning abilities that Alex has.
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That's the conclusion that he's arrived at, which is scary.
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No matter what, this is really terrifying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's bananas.
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Zero to 17 obviously means only 17 year olds.
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They're just adding zero.
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Zero to 17 means 14 to 17 because there's another option that's zero to 14.
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I understand.
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These data sets from each state are independent of each other.
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No.
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They're all...
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The colors on the map are to delineate which states use zero to 14, zero to 16, zero to
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17.
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Damn, you're literally hurting my eyes right now.
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I'm not.
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Alex is.
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That's terrifying.
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This is painful.
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You see me just ripping holes out of my eyes.
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Yeah.
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Alex is playing games, and he's just making stuff up about this report, which is really
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dangerous.
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But again, the most dangerous thing that he's doing is throwing around these accusations
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about fake deaths.
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If he wants to genuinely talk about individual specific cases like that Twitter hoax account,
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then he has the right to do so.
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But to take that specific case and then extrapolate that out to yell about fake deaths of children
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like he has been doing here is unacceptable.
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It's just completely unacceptable.
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And on a human level, I don't expect this to ever happen or this message to get across.
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Cease and desist.
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You can do whatever you're going to do, Alex, but this is crossing a line that you've crossed
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in the past and you should know is not good.
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This is just not acceptable.
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I'm making a citizen's put you in a little box until everybody else is safe from you.
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Time out.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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So anyway, Laura Loomer is on the show now towards the end of the third hour.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Roger Stone was going to be on, I think, in the fourth hour, but I turned it off after
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Laura Loomer because I was just like, I don't, I'm, I'm 36 years old and when the description
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begins with I'm 36, it's going to end with that I'm too old for this shit.
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No, it's sort of that, but it's a slight variation.
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It's like, I've only got so many years left.
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I'm still like, I don't have enough time that I can listen to Laura Loomer on Alex's show
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and be like, give me some more.
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We got 15 before climate change destroys the world.
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I'm not going to waste him on this bullshit.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So Laura is talking here about how, um, you know, they're going to turn off your phones
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if you're a conservative, get them out of here, and then it's only going to escalate
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from there.
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And if they're going to shut down your access to your internet service provider, what's
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going to stop them from shutting off your water and electricity.
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Oh wait.
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They're actually already doing that in places like California, where you have, uh, Eric
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Garcetti, the mayor telling people, if you have a party or if you don't social distance,
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we're going to shut your electric and your water off.
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These are totalitarian communist practices that are being carried out by Democrats and
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their accomplices.
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So you can already see here that Laura's moving the goalposts a little bit, so the utility
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that pretty much everyone agrees that everyone should have access to is being online or like
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having a phone, you know, phone service.
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Yes.
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That's not the same thing as being entitled to use every single service that is online
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or you can do through a phone.
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Come on.
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If a particular company doesn't want to work with you due to your behavior being distasteful
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or dangerous, that's not the same thing as Comcast not allowing you to be online.
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Laura's blurring that line on purpose because the reality of her situation is a pretty weak
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grievance and she really wants to be seen as the oppressed hero telling truth to power.
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I have so many people to look up on IMDb, Dan!
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Please keep in mind that less than a year ago, she was the co-host of a quote-unquote
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documentary with Jacob Wall where they went to Minnesota to try and prove that Ilhan Omar
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was married to her brother.
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She's not a serious person and anyone kicking her off anything is justified.
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Yeah, no, that's fine.
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As for the whole thing about LA Mayor Garcetti threatening to shut off water and power to
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houses that are throwing parties, he wasn't talking about houses that actually have like
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their people's homes.
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These are big houses that are either vacant or used for short-term rentals that people
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are renting out to throw big parties in because nightclubs are closed down.
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And this is a way to have your own little nightclub.
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Yeah, we used to record porn, now we throw parties.
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We move on with our lives.
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According to the LA Times, quote, beginning Friday night, if Los Angeles Police Department
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officers respond to and verify that a large party is occurring at a property and there's
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evidence that the venue has repeatedly engaged in such behavior, the department will request
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that the city shut off water and power services within 48 hours.
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These parties are pretty out of control, even if you don't think about it just in terms
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of the pandemic.
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This Times article discusses a recent party on Mulholland Drive that caused a ton of neighbor
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complaints, many cars that were illegally parked needed to be towed, and it ultimately
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culminated in a fatal shooting at 1245 AM when three people were shot, resulting in
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one death.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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Well, I mean, you've got to consider, it's a completely unregulated, uncontrolled environment.
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I get it, but that's just fucked.
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People like Laura and Alex want to present this story as if LA is saying that if you
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have someone over for dinner, they're going to shut off your water because you're not
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submitting to their authority, when in reality, it's basically an attempt to crack down on
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people using Airbnb mansions to throw fairly dangerous parties.
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You can agree or disagree with that tactic.
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And I'm welcome to, you know, like, I think that you could make a pretty solid argument
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that that's not the best way for the city to go about it.
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I think you could make an argument that, hey, it's not a bad tactic, whatever.
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You could have arguments on either side, but you do have an obligation to present the story
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as it actually exists, as opposed to some twisted, paranoid fantasy about renegade communists.
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Oh, this bullshit.
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If you, no, you don't get, she doesn't get to do that.
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If you don't advocate for universal broadband access, then you don't get to do that because
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you're saying that this corporation can kick you off because you lost your job.
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You're saying this corporation can kick you off because you don't have any generational
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fucking wealth.
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You're saying this corporation can kick you off for any reason because you didn't pull
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yourself up enough by your fucking bootstraps.
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But you're saying that the corporation can't kick you off for any other reason.
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Like that's fucked.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I agree with you 100%.
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I think ideally I do in terms of like, yes, I do think that you shouldn't be able, I agree
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with universal broadband access and that kind of thing, but I also don't think that it's
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being hypocritical to, I think under the current system that we live under, not paying your
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bill is different than being an asshole.
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I don't know, you're saying that a corporation can control what is ultimately what you describe
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as a human right, regardless of what their reasoning is.
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It should be a public utility, I guess.
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I don't know.
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I don't think you should be able to kick people off heat or water either, period.
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But you can if you don't pay your bill during months where it's not dangerous for them to
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turn it off.
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I agree with you idealistically, but based on the system that exists as it does now,
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I don't think that it's being hypocritical to say that it's different to say you're a
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conservative or even like you're an Alex Jones type weirdo.
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You can't have a phone.
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That's fucked up.
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I think saying you haven't paid your phone bill, your phone is turned off.
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That's different.
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I don't know.
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I just feel like that's a little bit like we're conditioned to accept that that's not
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a hypocrisy inherent in the entire fucking system.
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I mean, maybe it is, but without changing the entire system, there's no reason... Okay.
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And now we're where we are.
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Fine.
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Yes.
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I agree with you.
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Yes, I know.
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If the system were completely different, great.
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I know.
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I know.
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I'm just coming at you.
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I'm coming at you with truth, Dan.
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I don't know if that's true.
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That's truth.
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I think it's-
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Truth in you.
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I think it's admirable idealism, but I don't think that it's... I mean, look, yes.
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If we could find a way to craft a society where no one could be thrown off of utilities
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because they can't afford them, I think that's a better state of affairs.
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I think that's much preferable.
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But I do think as it stands now, there's a massive difference between ideological and
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political denial of service for things.
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I agree there is a difference between the two, without question.
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And to be perfectly clear, we're talking about utilities, not companies.
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Yes.
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No, no, no.
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I understand.
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Like talking about lights, water, phone.
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Yeah.
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Those can be turned off as bananas town.
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But anyways.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So Laura Loomer is really into Trump and basically is coming in with some strong arm talk about
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how he needs to win.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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The Democrats want absolute lawlessness in this country.
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And you're either going to vote for President Trump and have law and order and be safe,
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or you're going to vote for Joe Biden and you're going to have absolute anarchy, communism,
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no police, increased crime, open borders, and pretty much end stage America.
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And by the way, if somebody said that 10 years ago, I'd say they were fairmongering.
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It's worse than you're saying.
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You said that 10 years ago.
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Yeah.
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He said that 10 years ago about Obama.
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Okay.
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Fair.
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Made a documentary about it.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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And we've never heard this sort of talk surrounding dictators and stuff.
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Nah.
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Not our style.
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No.
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Society falls apart.
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We go here.
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Law and order.
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Right.
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Over here.
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Right.
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All right.
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Do you want to be safe?
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Parentheses straight white people.
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And parentheses.
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So you have one last clip here, and this is just hilarious.
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Sarah is giving her sales pitch for her congressional run.
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Oh, here we go.
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She has a proven track record.
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I love it.
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What are you going to do if you get in it?
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How do we support you?
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Yeah.
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Well, thank you, Alex.
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And you know, look, I'm a fighter.
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Okay.
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I don't need to just say that I'm a fighter like other Republican candidates who make
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empty promises and then they get to DC and they don't actually fight.
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Right?
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You're fire breathing.
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Yeah.
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You've never made empty promises before.
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You can do what you say you're going to do.
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Yeah.
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I have a proven record of taking on the most radical members of the Democrat Party, right?
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Whether it be Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, I put illegal aliens on Nancy Pelosi's lawn,
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handcuffed myself, called out Jack Dorsey in Congress as you played earlier.
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And when I get to Congress, you know, there needs to be more accountability.
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Sure.
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I love the idea of turning these into like positive things, like these publicity stunts
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that she's done.
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That's a swing.
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That's a swing.
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Yeah.
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I have taken it by joining Jacob Wall in an embarrassing documentary.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I have taken it to Jack Dorsey by embarrassingly handcuffing myself to one of the doors of
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the Twitter building.
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I embarrassingly brought undocumented people to Nancy Pelosi's house.
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I think she might be padding her CV just a little bit.
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Yeah.
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But it's what you have to do.
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Yeah.
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No, of course.
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And also, it is, you know, it's incumbent upon you to take these-
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Mythologize.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Take these embarrassments and turn them into, actually, that was a great success.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, man.
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Now I want to go back and see what actually happened with Hercules, man.
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What did he fucking do?
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He was just like-
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He did not clean up that shit at all.
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That was just his job.
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No.
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He was just working at a stable hand.
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He was basically the Mr. Magoo of antiquity.
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And we've just turned those stories into something completely... But that's how oral tradition
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works, man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, totally.
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Oh my God.
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These stories that are told around the campfire-
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If Laura Luma winds up finding the Golden Fleece in a thousand years, I'm going to be
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real pissed, Dan.
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I think what we should do... I mean, I studied Homeric Greek in college, so I have quite
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an association with Homer, and I actually also worked with... One of my Greek professors
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was the head of a oral tradition journal, and so I ended up editing a lot of articles
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for the oral tradition journal, and I learned a lot about the world of oral tradition.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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I think that we should start our own oral tradition surrounding-
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Fuck Laura Luma.
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No, not all just Laura Luma, but around these people.
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I think that we should start telling mythological stories about the various characters, maybe
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the Leo Lion Zagamis, the John Rapoports, these folks.
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We need to build a mythology out of them that we never write down.
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We all tell each other over and over again with the hopes that when society does inevitably
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fall apart, these will be the stories that are told.
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Do you realize that six months out of every year, Dan, we get summer because Laura Luma
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turned and looked back at that door that she tried to handcuff herself to.
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Absolutely.
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That makes perfect sense to me.
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These will be the stories that the Burtzoloritas will be telling around the campfire in the
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Basque Country.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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20 hundred years from now, maybe.
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So Jordan, we're done here with this episode.
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Yes, indeed we are.
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But I mean, look, the reality is that I'm seeing this trend of Alex is becoming a little
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bit increasingly comfortable talking about the idea of fake deaths in the COVID numbers
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and stuff.
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And that to me, I think, is really the most important thing to keep an eye on and the
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trend that I think is the most troubling.
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There's a lot of instances of just like he slips, like he uses these specifics and then
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you're able to be like, OK, this is what you're talking about.
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You can see that this stuff is just total bullshit.
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And that's just his game.
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That's de rigueur, that's normal.
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But this introduction of that again into something that's so highly emotional and so important
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in people's lives right now is really dangerous and really troubling about the future.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I respect the idea that we even considered like because we considered how bad does it
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have to get before he switches up?
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You know, how many deaths, how many cases, what's the number?
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And what we should have been talking about is the real inevitability of it, which is
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how does one rationalize?
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You say they're not even real, right?
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That's the only way that he could really go.
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You know, it was just this was where we were going to be.
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Well, he can't stop him, but like I said on the last episode, when we first started touching
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on this stuff, there's such a massive difference between sort of clerical admin kind of cover
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up stuff.
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Sure.
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Where it's someone switching something, an actual death in a spreadsheet and fake people.
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It's like cops cooking the books on this isn't a felony.
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This is a misdemeanor.
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Right.
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Right.
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It's something that would require active participants and cover up and that kind of like it's it's
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such a different type of conspiracy that like.
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It's so much more dangerous.
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Well, it's kind of the difference I would look at it between like weed and heroin.
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It's like if you have a friend who's smoking a lot of weed, it's like I would be some heroin.
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Maybe your life.
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Maybe it's an indicate.
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I don't know.
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Maybe weed isn't even the best example these days.
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It's legal shit.
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I still think so.
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I still think people can abuse it sometimes.
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Not everybody, but I think a lot of people do.
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That's a hot take.
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Fine.
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Let's go with alcohol.
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I like alcohol.
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Let's go with booze.
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OK.
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You have a friend who's drinking a lot and maybe it's a problem, maybe it's not.
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And you know, no big deal.
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Maybe you don't need to intervene immediately until things get really out of control.
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You got someone you know doing heroin, you need to get them help.
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It's got to be done.
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And I think that Alex is, like this type of narrative is heroin for him.
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It's the like, this is the problem.
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This is the hard drug that you're not going to escape.
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And maybe it won't kill you the first time you do it, maybe it won't kill you the second
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or third or fourth, but it will kill you.
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Yeah, it's the 14th time actually.
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This is the kind of narrative that will hurt people.
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This can't, like you just, it's unacceptable.
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And I really, really hope that it doesn't progress any further because I don't want
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to watch this happen again.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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God, isn't that the story of 2020?
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I'm sick of watching this happen again!
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Yeah.
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But we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are Facebook!
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And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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doing God's work.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm DZXClark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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I am a blue state secessionist.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
