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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan.
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We are a couple of dudes. I like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we
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are Dan.
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Dan! What's up? If you went to a family reunion yesterday
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Oh boy. Did you? Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah.
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Do you want to talk about it? No. Let's cut through this stupid bit that we do at the beginning and get human.
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Hey, if you were a member of my family. I imagine it would be tough for you to tell them that you
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don't know anything about Alex Jones. It would be harder. But they'd be thrilled to tell them that you do a
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podcast with a guy who knows a lot about him.
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That's exactly how it went. And this is our podcast where I know a lot about
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Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. I've been, Jordan, if I
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can be perfectly honest with you, I've been going on a delightful spice
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adventure for the last couple days. Yes! Yes! My hot sauces that I bought in Austin, Texas
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have finally come in the mail since they're too big to be taken on a
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plane. And I've been having a blast. I just wanted to put that out into the
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universe. Having a delightful time with this spice. How do you feel about that?
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Well, I think you need to get a new passport, Dan! Oh, man. I'm being attacked.
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Yeah. I do need to get a new passport, though. Yes, you do. My last one will have expired by now.
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Yeah. You should have gotten it about a year and a half before it
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expired. So, Jordan, today we have a delightful show. We're back in 2009. Yes.
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We're gonna be going over some stuff. But before we do, I feel like I want to throw a
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wrench into the gears. Alright. Alright. I'm liking wrenches. I've always, you know,
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been trying to look for ways to expand on what this show is. What this podcast
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is all about. God, your giddy joy is really, as you tease this out, it is driving me insane.
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I want to throw some wrenches into the gears, and so I have here a habanero
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pepper. I'm going to eat this while I allow you to take over the show. To what now?
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I throw the show into your hands. Those are the people who are new policy wonks
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that we need to give a shout out to. Alright. And for now, and I'll say this, I have
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never eaten a habanero before. I have no idea how I'm going to respond to this.
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I genuinely have no idea what's about to happen. I've had jalapenos before, there's no doubt
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about that, but this is a new experience for me, so now I will... Are we a gimmick show now?
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Yeah, exactly. Do we want a soundboard? Anyway, here we go. Jordan, take over the show.
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Alrighty. Guys, do you know what isn't eating a habanero pepper right now? That's our new
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donors, ladies and gentlemen. Our first new donor, we would like to give a huge shout
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out to Peter. Welcome to the policy wonks, Peter.
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Don't do that right while I'm swallowing. I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Peter. Hey, thank you very much, Peter. And our next
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policy wonk has actually bumped up her donorships. No, just came straight in.
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Oh, she came straight in? Good heavens, she came straight in at the globalist level. Thank
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you very much, Larissa. I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.
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Thank you so much, Larissa. Absolutely. How are we doing, Dan?
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Totally fine. Oh.
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This is very disappointing. This is the worst wrench you have ever thrown.
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You threw a tiny wrench into the giant mesher from Ferngully. I don't know why that was
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the first thought I had. I legitimately expected that to be interesting
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in some way, or at least fun. I know. I could see it in your face. You were
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so excited. And I was weird pre-show because I had this
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I was going to spring on you. I was going to be like, I don't know if Jordan's going
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to enjoy this. I don't think you did. And I give it a B, quite frankly.
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I was fine with it. I expected to be really hurt by this. I expected
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to be like, ooh, ooh. You know, I did not expect much to, you're
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a spice guy. You like spices, things and spice like that. If I took a bite out of that, I
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would cry. I would cry like a thresher in Ferngully. I've historically not been a pepper
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guy. And that's why it kind of like had me worried, had me shook a little bit. But then
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at the same time, you know, like we're at this point now where I feel
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Oh my God, you started bleeding from the eyes. Oh no. I feel like the way we set the opening
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of the show has become so entrenched in this little tiny bits that we do that I was trying
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to throw a curve ball. I don't think this is going to work. I feel like we, we mix up
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our bits. It's not like we do the same bit every time. We try and add.
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And now this is one of them fair enough. Fair enough. Like all opening bits. So now let's
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get to today's show here. Jordan is an out of context drop episode. Okay. So much of
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what we hear in Patriot mythology. Is it real? Oh, interesting. Very much out of context.
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All right. All right. I'm interested to see where that goes. Uh, just spoiler alert. That's
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him talking to like a sovereign citizen caller and being like, maybe you shouldn't put too
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much stock in saying double cane in court and that shit. Um, yeah. And that getting
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you off the hook, but it also applies to everything else. Alex believes in Patriot mythology.
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All not true. Yeah. Um, today, Jordan, we're going to be going over the February 6th to
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February 10th episodes of the Alex Jones show in 2009. And the reason we have such a wide
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swath there is because there's a lot of dead air. There's a lot of downtime. Uh, and we
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need to pick up the speed because we need to get to the point where the tea party really
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kicks off and we really get to see how long does it take Alex to change from looking at
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the board, all of those 2009 positions into his much more in line with the Koch brothers
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position mysteriously. And so we need to, we need to get to February. We got to steamroll
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along to that. We need to get to the end of February to see how he responds to the massive
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public tea party stuff happening. Um, and so we start on February 6th. Um, and Alex
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is launching a new narrative that is really interesting and will carry through the entirety
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of what we cover on today's episode. All right. I'm going to guess the it's about the bees
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are dying because in 2009 was whenever that first started to get like, it had been happening
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for like 10 years before that. But people started to really notice in 2009 they were
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like, where are all the fucking bees going? There's going to be no food if we don't have
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bees. So I assume that Alex Jones is going to jump on the back of that. Ignore the whole
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Obama thing. Like really, he's already said all he's going to say, which is that Obama's
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a terrible president. So it's time to get down to the bottom of the bees. And Dan, here's
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where I think he's going to go with this. First of all, let me just stop you before
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you go any further. Okay. You've never been more right. So where do you think he goes?
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All right. All right. I'm going to go with, uh, and actually in a complete turnaround
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for him, he is going to find the most reasonable explanation. He's not going to go with like
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chemtrails or the magnetic poles reversing. What he is going to say is, uh, I'm going
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to go with manmade climate change and it's time to regulate the oil companies in order
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to keep this from continuing. And frankly, in a real left field church, he's going to
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say that a global carbon tax is the best way to do it. Pump the brakes. Did you just say
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Anne Frankly? Did you say Anne Frankly? I didn't, uh, but I kind of want to now. You're
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incorrect. Uh, about your guests though, Alex is going to say that the globalists are hoarding
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the bees. They're actually at a bee summer resort that the globalists, no, that actually
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sounds fun. This is correct. Here is Alex's narrative, eight states and growing are telling
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the federal government it is completely rogue and criminal, but they will not put up with
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gun confiscation, concentration camps, stage terror attacks, you name it. Increasing number
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of States declaring sovereignty. This article by Curt Nimmo will be going over it early
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in the shower. He goes over it a lot, not just in that next hour. Um, so we got this
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story here and it's, it's actually a really interesting thing. Um, do you know, um, in,
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in the history of our country, generally speaking, state legislatures don't get together to say
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like, Hey, uh, the law is the law. Remember that federal government, but mysteriously
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a month or so after a black guy gets elected, uh, a bunch of States get together and have
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their legislature put together a bunch of, uh, uh, bills, uh, and resolutions that they
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put through that are directly, uh, uh, delivered to the president and the speaker of the house.
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Right. Um, that just say, Hey, we're letting you know the law is law. Don't be encroaching.
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Wait, what? That's all it is. That really happened. Yes. It's the same. Legislatures
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got together. Wow. What did they, what did they, they wrote a resolution. You can find
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all of the, all of the, and they mailed it to the speaker of the house and it said, don't
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tread on T basically. Okay. There's a lot of States that, uh, introduced these house
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resolutions in the state houses, not in the, uh, not in the actual like federal house of
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a representative. Right, right, right, right. Now that I put together. Um, so they would
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be sent to the president if they passed and became, uh, accepted resolutions. So that's
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one piece of it. But the second piece of it, and I need to stress this, is these, uh, States
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are all coordinating. These are all almost identical resolute, uh, resolutions in these
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States. I've read them. They're almost all identical. And I think that they're being
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operated by people who may or may not show up on our episode today. Really? Yeah. On,
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on Alex. Yeah. Because they're weirdo Patriot assholes. Because all of these, all of these
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bills are like actually written by the heritage foundation. Like, like something along like
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most well, like a version of the, well, yeah, the anti-abortion stuff. All of that is written
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by the heritage foundation might be there. It might actually be like, they're the ones
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who write all these bills. I don't know if a Republican lawmaker has ever actually learned
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to read. It's, it's some Patriot, uh, bill mill or something like that. Yeah. And so
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I looked into all of this and frankly, so you can find bill trackers and stuff like
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that and you can find out what happened with these, uh, these resolutions. Bill trackers
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is an amazing dude to get a drink with. So I found the one in Washington state that got
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introduced. Uh, the bill just sort of sat there and nobody did that and nobody acted
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on it. So it never got passed and never got put through. Um, the main one that Alex talks
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about, cause it was the one that was introduced in, uh, earliest I believe, uh, at least that's
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the sense I got from listening to the show. I was in New Hampshire and I looked that up
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and it turns out that the bill is listed as quote, in expedient to legislate, which I'm
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like, I don't know what the fuck that means. So I had to do some looking and to do some
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digging into it. What legally, what is in expedient to a, yeah, that's new Hampshire
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code for quote, this bill is dead and will not be reconsidered. Yeah, that sounds right.
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So that one's dead. Arizona, the, uh, the house resolution passed 34 to 24, but I was
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going to say they probably passed a no black president's bill at the same time. Well, it's
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important to point out that the Arizona bill only passed. Uh, there was someone who went
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on record and said this, that it only passed because, uh, the language of it was very specific
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that it's non binding in any way. Okay. So it's just basically shaking your fist at Obama.
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So a strange that a state filled with 90% old people would shake its fist on a metaphorical
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lawn at a black person. Yeah. Yeah. So who could have guessed? So Montana introduced
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a version of this. Oh yeah. The bill was introduced and failed as a bill. So it was then reintroduced
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as a resolution, quote, generally articulating Montana's rights under the U S constitution.
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And it once again failed because everyone's like, all you're saying is we like laws are
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laws. We don't need to do this. Yeah. So Michigan, uh, the version that was, uh, introduced there
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died in committee, uh, the committee of government operations, uh, my home state, Missouri. This
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one's weird. Their version, HR two 12 was a little bit rangy quote. It declares Missouri's
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sovereignty under the 10th amendment and urges the United States Congress to reject the passage
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of federal freedom of choice act, which prohibits regulations on abortion. So they tried to
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so in, in, in like in a double whammy. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, the law is the law,
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but at the same time, please don't make any more laws about abortion, please. They tried
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to Frankenstein's monster, the 10th amendment and abortion into this HR two 12. That sounds
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very Missouri and to do this bill was deemed unpassable in the Missouri house. So even
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Missouri was like, whoa guys. Well, cause it was, it was covered too much. You know,
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it was like, we can't get a consensus on this. So, uh, it was replaced with HR two 94, which
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just said, quote, urges the United States Congress to summarily reject the enactment
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of the federal freedom of choice act, which classifies abortion as a fundamental right
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to any restrictions. So if I understand this correctly, if I understand this correctly,
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they could not, they could not pass a, the law is the law and you got to remember that
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we're Missouri. We are sovereign and the anti-abortion bill, but they could, Oh, amazingly pass the
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anti-abortion bell. It does appear. They don't even agree that the law is the law, but everybody's
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like find a way. No abortions. It appears that that's the case. Yes. Cause two 94 does
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appear to have passed the house. So Alex, people are fucked up. Alex will end up talking
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to the guy responsible for this one. This is Oklahoma. Uh, this one is crazy. I don't
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think you can not talk to a guy from Oklahoma. What do you mean? I mean in this, in this
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circumstance, any, I'm passing Arizona, Montana, all of that stuff. Boring Oklahoma. I don't
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even really know anything about Oklahoma. I'm going to talk to a guy from Oklahoma.
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It's like a shallow pot. Yeah, I'm excited. Okay. I want to hear what this dude has to
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say. His name is Charles key. Uh, and he will come up on our episode. Uh, and he introduced
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the joint resolution one zero zero three, which passed the house and the Senate, but
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then was vetoed by governor Brad Henry who did so because the language of the resolution
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strongly suggested that Oklahoma should send back federal tax money. And he was like, no,
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I don't want to do that. No one wants to do that. That will ruin all of our budget. Um,
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uh, governor, we would like you to sign this bill. Um, the name of which is shoot Oklahoma
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in the Dick. Yeah, I'm going to go with no, shoot Oklahoma in the Dick bill. So Charles
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key said, fuck you bro. And he reintroduced the bill as a house concurrent resolution
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one zero two eight. What is the point of government? It passed the damn house again, although it's
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slightly diminished support, probably because of the points that Brad Henry brought up because
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it was concurrent resolution. It did not need to go to the governor this time. And when
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it passed, it was sent along to Obama, Biden and the speaker of the house. And again, how
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did they do to reiterate, how did they, how did they like that to reiterate all the bill
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was, was you could really boil it down to just the two words. Watch it. Yeah. Or we
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got our eye on you black guy. Hey, we resent black people. You better know that. It's really,
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really hard to look at this and not see that parallel. You know what I'm saying? Like it's,
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it's, it's pretty much like, Oh, you guys are shook. You whites are shook. That, that
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shit like that should have been the moment Obama's like reaching across the island going
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to happen on this one. So you, you're saying eight years trying to reach across the aisle
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two weeks in when you got eight States being like, we're passing a vaguely racist bill.
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Right? You should have just been like, well, you don't count a States anymore. Oh, you
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want to declare sovereignty. Guess what? Yeah. And by the way, a lot of this is in direct
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response to Obama being elected. Of course. I know about the resolutions of this because
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we're years later and stuff, but the like the, these ones dying and committee and stuff
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like that, they happen in like March and April of 2009, whereas we're still in, in February.
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So I'm a little bit of an omniscient narrator, but at the same time, like, you know that
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the reason these are being introduced is because it's fucking Obama and they're scared of him.
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Um, anyway, in this next clip we get like, man, Alex is fucking weird. I never really
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know what to expect from him. Um, I know him well, uh, in many ways, but he still surprises
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you're, you're the neighbor to a serial killer. You're like, I knew him well. I didn't see
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him serial killing, but it seemed like a decent guy. I wouldn't say that. No, none of us would.
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Uh, but this is, this was jarring to me. Okay. And so they didn't sell the message through
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popular culture, through public schools or college that it's just the received granted
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a knowledge that it's true that more children is bad and that more children cost the public
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money when it's actually children that are our future. And if they had any hope in this
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Ponzi scheme of big government and social security and pensions that we needed a another
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baby boom. This is not the part that surprises me. I imagine not this part is right in line
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with his demographic shift. Yeah, we're not having enough babies. Right, right, right.
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But that didn't happen when the United States, if you take out the giant immigrant influx
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has about a 1.7, 1.8 depending on the year population growth. That means for every two
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people we lose, we lose more people each year. Okay. A mother and a father on average have
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1.7 children and they don't replace themselves. And I listen to talk radio now for the last
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week and a half since that mother had eight babies and she already had a few children.
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She went in, she did hold on, hold on, hold on. This isn't going to be an Octobob situation.
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Hold on. All right. Of a fertilization that's not in vitro. It was, she did a type where
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they normally put five to eight embryos in. Most of them don't take with her. She was
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very fertile. Too fertile. Being a equatorial creature and boom, they're now talking about
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how dare her. We've got to pay for her. We've got to, you know, we've got to pay for her
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children. She's evil. She's bad. You know, whether it was a good decision or not for
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her to make when the family's middle class and the grandparents are paying for it, that
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doesn't matter. I don't, I don't care. I just think it's funny. I don't know what his point
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is. I don't care either, but I don't know. And I don't care. I just love that Alex is
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coming to bat for Octomom. Like knowing what we know. She's got eight. Huh? How many do
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you have? She has 14 now. She has 14. That's at least seven and a half too many. Yeah.
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You said it, my man. Well, for me, all too many. The only reason I kept that in is because
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it's fascinating that he's, he's fine. He's cool with the Octomom, but then also, uh,
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let me just call her not now. I don't know what equatorial. That's what I was going to
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bring up. That's gross. What does he mean by equatorial? I think near the equator, right?
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Of exactly of lineage, of, of, of, of their fertile of the world because they're very
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fertile from near the equator. Does he think she's actually a volcano and she's in the
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ring of fire and thus prone to well, volcanoes, notoriously fertile, very fertile. Absolutely.
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The soil is incredible, prone to explosions of babies, but still very fertile. All I,
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all I know is it's, it feels racist. It does. It feels. It is racist, but I don't know how.
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Right. Because that's, that's what I'm talking about. That's a large amount of space. Remember
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when I, uh, earlier said he continues to surprise me. That's, that's why. But it's like, that
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feels very, very bigoted. But at the same time, I don't know how to put my finger on
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it. Yeah. I know it's wrong. It seems to me like someone who talks about like fiery Latino
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blood and stuff like that, you know, like that, that version of a bigotry. I don't know.
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I do like the idea of him changing his rhetoric. He's like, the West is under attack from the
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middle, the whole, just the whole middle, the middle, the, the, you go all the way around
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it in the center. I'm going to go with a 10th to the 10th parallel. Yeah. I don't know.
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So you might remember that a few years back, uh, uh, Todd Aiken, uh, made some, uh, awful
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comments about how if a woman has been raped her and she gets pregnant, her body will take
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care of that. Right. The body has a way of working that out. That's a weird thing for
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Clay Aiken to say. He then wished he was invisible. Which is a big hit. How do you know that?
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I don't know. I don't understand you because it's a creepy fucking song. Oh, he's like,
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the chorus is, if I were invisible, I would watch you in your room. Oh, there's nothing
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creepy about that. Very creepy for a pop song. Anyway. Um, so it, it, it's also, it shouldn't
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be too surprising to remember that Alex wasn't like, he wasn't defended by that. He was kind
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of like, eh, it seems like a reasonable comment. He watches TLC a lot, I imagine. And now we
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go back to 2009 and we hear him saying shockingly similar things, uh, except you take the, uh,
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the sexual violence out of it back to 2009. Well, that's where we are. Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Depending on the study, it gives you a 50 to 200%, depending on the trimester increase
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in cervical ovarian and other forms of reproductive organ cancer. When you have an abortion, let
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me give you a little news flash. If the baby needs to die, your body will terminate. If
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things aren't going right, 99% of the time, if your body's in danger, the body will do
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it. So, so women just need to know you've had abortions. That's a good chance of you
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getting cancer. It's also associated with breast cancer. Why don't you have the baby
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and adopt it? Why don't you? Hell, at the end of having the baby and keeping it, you'll
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have to fight CPS off anyways. I mean, they want, she, she, I mean, they're killing babies
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with one hand and then they're CPSing them with another.
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I'm sparing you from a lot of clips of him screaming really gross things about abortion
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that are just like his normal milieu. Right? This is weird. This is real weird. This is
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very unscientific. Where do these guys get their woman science? Like, is it, is it like,
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cause I feel like it's folklore from the 1700s. Patriot mythology. Right? It's gotta be, it's
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gotta be something like also women, if you are near them while they're menstruating,
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you'll get, you'll get, you'll become a woman. Like, and if you stand in a fairy circle,
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yeah. You gotta send them to the menses. Yeah. Like what are these guys doing? I don't know
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man. If there's something wrong, it'll terminate itself. Everything works out. Don't you understand?
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There are no problems. 50% of women used to die in childbirth until like a hundred years
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ago. Body worked that out. No. Well yeah, in a certain sense, if something's not right,
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it'll just kill both of you. That's how it's supposed to be. And then how will you have
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an Octomom? Exactly. That's I mean, there's that, there's that question we need to ask
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ourselves. Um, and then further, Alex has had, he's paid for 10 abortions or more in
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his life. He said, so this idea of guilting people about stuff is utter horse shit. So
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that means he literally gave, by his own beliefs, 10 women cancer. Right. Right. Absolutely.
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That was what I was going to get to. Uh, he's stupid. And so he spends a lot of this show
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just saying really gross things, uh, fear tactics, uh, and shit about abortion that
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it doesn't, it doesn't pass the smell test and largely probably comes from these, uh,
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militant anti-abortion groups. That's probably where he's getting his information from. Right.
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But where do they get that from? I just miss reading stuff. It just sounds so made up.
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So we, we have arbitrary, we have all that. And then we dive into greener, more familiar
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pastures when, uh, our old friend, the guy who made millions and millions of dollars
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taking gold from South Africa, Bob Chapman, fucking Bob Chapman, and he is on, he is back
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on his bullshit. As they say, the outcome financially will be all the currencies will
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collapse and there'll be default devaluation. Almost all of them will do dreadfully. There'll
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be a few that will do okay. Which ones? And in the meantime, every single day, every single
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currency is devaluing against, against. So which ones? Uh, he doesn't specify really,
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but it is just, he's just on to say all this stuff about how like there's an artificial
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collapse coming of all currencies. Uh, and then he said for a few, uh, but mostly, uh,
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gold, baby gold. And so he gets to this and of course inflation is going to go ballistic
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and even though deflation is happening at the same time, $902 or $10 gold, gold is going
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over $3,000. And if you don't, if you have done what you know you're supposed to do about
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having that defensive insurance position at home, you've got to get more coins. You've
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got to get more gold. You've got to get more silver. It's the only thing that's going to
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be worth anything. Gold has been hovering around nine 20. It's right there today. How
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long can they keep it at that? Or will it just keep rising or will it correct again
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next week? It's going to fly next week. It's going to fly. You better buy shit now. So
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it's a, it didn't fly. It never hit 3000 or anything like that. But in its slight bit
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of fairness, I will say that gold was rising around this time. It never reached the levels
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that they are saying it's going to, but it was, it was gaining value. I mean, it was,
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it's not like it's falling and they're pretending it's rising. Right. It did. It did end up
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reaching a little bit later. A pretty, I mean, it got up to about like 1600 an ounce or so.
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Uh, and then corrected where it's been pretty much since with a little bit of fluctuation
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right around 11, 1200 an ounce. So that's frustrating to me because that's evil. They're
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doing that maliciously and yet it was still for a time, a good investment. Well, you can
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like that. You can be a liar, uh, about the big picture and still be correct about, you
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know, a detail. I know that's karmic, karmically. That is a bummer to me. It is. You want it
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to be all a lie. And unfortunately there's a piece of it that's like, well, I mean, it's
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not what they're trying to scare you with isn't true. But the idea that like at that
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time if you'd bought gold, you could have made some money if you got out at the right
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time. Yeah. You know, that's not, but we've never said that that's not true. No, it's
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actually generally always been like Bitcoin is largely a scam or a lot of cryptocurrencies
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are, are scams. But if you are able to ride them correctly and, and you can make money
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on that, a lot of people do, but it's just, they're like 12 year olds or millionaires,
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but they're just more examples of people who get defrauded, uh, or end up blowing everything
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and people who buy their gold and silver from Midas resources, as we know from copious amounts
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of ripoff reports and shit like that, they were getting screwed with having nothing to
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do with the price of gold. So that's, that's sort of more important. A little bit after
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this, Ted Anderson pops up, gives a, gives a specials, gives reach the menu, gives a,
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gives a little bit of a, yeah, sovereigns are hot. Um, and you know, so they, they play
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their normal game and then, uh, the show, show goes on. I, I, I, I have a hard time
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realizing I don't think I've ever asked this question. Interesting. What is, so he doesn't
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sell gold. I, every time I hear he sells gold, I imagine little bars. Yeah. That's what I,
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every time you've said that I've been like, Oh, little bars of gold. No, like a little,
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like chocolate bars. It's a gold wrapping. It's ridiculous. Why is that ridiculous? Because
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that makes as much sense as anything else. If you're imagining like a proper sized bar
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of gold, that would be way too expensive. No, no. I mean like a kick bar sized. No,
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that's crazy. No one would, uh, mint that. Why not? What they have is mostly coins, uh,
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that have a certain amount of gold content in them. Okay. So generally he'll have like
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these British sovereigns, uh, or these, the, he has the, those, uh, dimes that, uh, that
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have silver content in them. Yeah. And so like from, uh, I don't know how much, uh,
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how many of them are like currently, uh, printed at the, at this time. But you have these like,
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you can even still find some of them in circulation. You can find like quarters from like 1920
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or something like that. That'll have a little bit of silver in them like that. So these
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are coins from specific years from back when they had silver in these coins. So like a,
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like one of his walking Liberty half dollars or whatever will have 0.002 ounces of gold
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in it or whatever. And so that's mostly what he's selling. He's selling. How would you
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know that? What? How would you know? Well, it's because of the, the, they're certified.
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It's when they were printed. They, it's back when those were like, that was how that was
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the currency. Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of it to, uh, the more, uh, non historical
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coins that he has are ones that they make specifically that are like, this has this
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much gold in it and then some filler and shit like that. Oh man. Or even full gold coins.
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But that would be like, those would be pretty expensive selling money. I don't, I don't
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trust that at all. No, there's like, there's a bit of faith involved. Yeah. Even, even
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back whenever that was the way that it worked. How could you trust that shit? Who's doing
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the certifying? I don't know. It's all currency has always been magic. Currency has always
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been a faith based. There's always been a faith and credit aspect of it that, uh, they're
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so mad about with the idea of trusting the government, but it'd be fine to trust your
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local coin guy or the, uh, centralized coin guy who's making the coins for the state or
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whatever. Everything is fine in that level. But anyway, it's all a scam. They're all just
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running a scam. So at this point on the show, something really interesting happens and that
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is Alex Jones has Steve Watson as a guest. Steve Watson. Paul Joseph Watson's brother.
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What? I have never heard Paul Joseph Watson on the show in 2009 as I'm listening back
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to these and now I hear Steve Watson and boy, he is not ready for prime time. He is boring
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as shit. He is. P.J. Dubs has not been on the show. I mean he might've been, but I haven't
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heard him in the two months of episodes that I've been listening to so far. He has not
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popped up. He's been referenced. He's definitely around. Like he's writing and stuff like that.
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But Alex hasn't forced him on air yet, it appears. But Steve Watson comes on and man,
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I can't imagine he's on ever again. He's so boring. He is just like, oof, it's a disaster.
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And I have a working theory. This is my big conspiracy because I found some pictures of
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Steve Watson. He looks a lot like Paul Joseph. It's Paul Joseph Watson in a Mustang. I think
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he might not exist. And what happened was Alex introduced Steve as like this performer.
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I think that Paul Joseph Watson or Steve, we'll call him Peeve. Peeve Watson decided
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that he wanted two paychecks and he knew Alex was never coming to England. And so he created
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a brother persona in order to get two paychecks out of Alex. Now Alex is trying to push them
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on air. So Steve, the persona comes on and is just awful. He never comes back on, but
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Paul does a little bit of like, a little bit of work, a little bit of reps. He's training.
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It's a little bit better. Gets a little snarkier. Starts getting that glassy eye thing going
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so he looks like he means everything he's saying. Comes back stronger than ever. Steve
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never shows back up on air. Paul Joseph Watson takes the mantle out of the Watson. And now
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Steve fades into the background much like Paul Joseph Watson appears to be in 2009.
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That's my theory. I have nothing to base that on except for a picture that I saw of Steve
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Watson who looks very similar to Paul Joseph Watson. Which also could be his brother. Yeah.
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And could very well be his brother. Could be. That is a long way to go. It's a long
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way for Paul to go. I'm going to be honest with you, I'm leaning towards that theory
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more than I am that Paul has a brother. I've got to amuse myself somehow while I listen
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to these episodes. Or Paul has a brother who's exactly as crazy as Paul? Yeah, apparently.
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That seems unreasonable. Or in the early days they got on the same page about like, we can
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make some money off this. Yeah. And then it just sort of outgrew itself and now they're
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in too deep. Does he have the same posh British accent? Or is he like a... does he have a...
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is he like from... It's pretty similar. No, it's pretty similar, but it's low... Is that...
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It's low energy. Uh huh. It's very... and that might just be because of the time zone
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difference. Quite frankly. Okay. Calling from London. See, because now I'm thinking Paul
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Joseph Watson puts on the Steve persona, but just hams it up with a Dick Van Dyke kind
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of cockney accent. No, no, no. And just really goes hard on it. No, no, no, no. No, he doesn't
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do that. Similar enough voices that I believe they're from the same area or whatever. Okay.
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But we're not going to listen to any of it because he's just so boring and awful. And
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we are going to go on to Alex's next guest, which is a hard hitting interview that he
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has. This should surprise nobody. But I've only had him on once, about three or four
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months ago. And I want to get him back on because we've got a lot of questions from
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listeners out there about how does a box the size of a water cooler without the water bottle
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on top produce seven and a half gallons of water a day in normal humidity? What's in
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the box? It produces water in the desert. How does that work? So we have the... What's
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in the box? Founder of a Cola Blue, the designer. And he is also, of course, the individual
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who we have on air with us. And so he's perfect to be able to discuss all these things. And
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he's Tyler Palmer. Tyler, I appreciate you coming on with us.
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Tyler, what's in the box? Cola Blue is one of Alex's big sponsors.
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What's in the box? Tyler, what's in the box? They just talk about how great his water filters
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are for about half an hour. So sweet. That's great. Towards the end of the show, that's
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just another example of... So he just does a boring interview with one of his sponsors?
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That sucks. But it's clear that he does this all the time. He has Ted Anderson on and then
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Bob Chapman is just a subsidiary arm of Ted Anderson's gold sales. He has the soap limerick
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guy on all the time. Love me the soap limerick guy.
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And now we introduce this, that he has the Ecola Blue guy water filter sponsor on as
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a guest. It's clear he has to do this. It's clear that there's some sort of a brokering
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of like, you sponsor my show and I'll let you come on and spout some nonsense. Now granted,
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this guy doesn't say anything that's as funny as a limerick or anything like that.
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That's disappointing. But it is just an infomercial. Alex is offering
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infomercial space on his show because he's fucking desperate. He is not doing well in
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2009. I can guarantee that based on a number of the indications that I see. You see Bob
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Chapman come in and be like, next week the gold prices are skyrocketing.
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They're going to be three billion. The only function of that is to be like, buy
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it now. We need you to buy it now. This, do an infomercial for the water sponsor. Maybe
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you get a couple extra bucks from him. Right. Whatever. So towards the end of the show,
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Alex decides like, I'm going to transition this. I'm going to take some calls and they're
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all pretty boring, but this one caller says something that I think is pretty funny.
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I want to send, send you a, my thing. I can't find your address anywhere on the, what is
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wrong with your site? Why is it an abortion? Basically your site is an abortion. I cannot
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find anything because you have all this stuff jammed in. I don't mind having the advertising,
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but the rest of the space, could you have like little blocks for little segments so
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that we can go to whatever segment of the site we want abortion? Well, that's a, thank
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you. Thank you. I access, I try to access your site and I go berserk trying to find
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simple things. No, I hear you and I appreciate your call. Okay.
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Your website sucks. I love that. I love that he's taking calls from people who are just
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whining about shit. Dude, get some fucking web design going. I can't even find anything.
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And also let me start telling you about your, your tone of voice. I don't think, I don't
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like it. Some people like to listen to you. I don't like to change your voice. I'm still
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going to listen anyways. Anyway, your website's an abortion. Thank you. I'll take my answer
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off him. Um, so that's it for the six. One of those people hope happens. I don't know.
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Well, well you told Alex that he needs to change his website. It's in God's hands now.
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Yeah. Maybe he'll change his website. So, uh, that ends the six. That's a Friday show.
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So there's nothing on the seventh and we get to the eighth and the eighth is a disaster.
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It's mostly just him reading a bullshit article by Kurt Nemo that we don't need to really
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go into. Nope. And then a lot of the episode also is about, again, these states declaring
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their sovereignty narrative, which we've already sort of discussed. Um, uh, but Alex does say
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this and this is the only thing I think is, uh, it all got mad. My, uh, my, my ears perked
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up at all. The good news is all these yuppies who've been laughing at me and who've helped
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this happen, they're going to lose everything they've got. Just understand we're all going
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to get hurt in this, but at least the scum is going to get hurt too. Now, a lot of the
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scums would try to join this to get power. Imagine every control freak, every nobody
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who can't build a business, who can't run a company, who can never creates anything.
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They're all going to have their own little uniforms on power trips with all these roid
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head cops who've been in Iraq confiscating guns, killing 1.3 million. They're all coming
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home to America to drink our country's blood down. Okay. So that's very anti-troops and
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anti-police. Yeah. There's a lot going on there too. That's just like, uh, I, I, I feel,
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I feel like from his perspective, the, what he's trying to be the customer facing persona,
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the idea of like, yeah, we're going down, but they're getting hurt too. Probably isn't,
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that's not good. That's not like, that's not in line with what he wants his listeners to
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think. Right. I mean like that's, that's petty and bitter. Yeah, that sounds right. Well,
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yeah, but you don't want that. You don't want that presentation. Oh no, no. Well he's petty
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and better. He's, he's been petty and better for how many years now? I think he was petty
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from the start. Oh yeah, absolutely. I have a working theory that if his dad just would
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have made him feel smart, uh, fascism would have had a much difficult time, much harder
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time taking root in, uh, in American society. I think that's a, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say,
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I'm gonna say, uh, fascism has a long and storied past with the United States. Sure.
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It would have come in some other way, but this route that it did go, uh, if Alex Jones
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his dad would have just made him feel smart. It's weird that, uh, the, uh, my perception
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of the downfall of America, uh, all traces back to the Infowars human resources director.
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That's a good point. It's weird. That's a weird way to view the downfall of America.
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So February 9th, 2009 is also kind of, uh, not much. There's not much going on on that
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show. Uh, and to illustrate how little I think is going on, the only thing that I think is
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worth mentioning is that this is the first time I've heard this theme music that I think
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is one of the most out of place things ever on Alex's show. Uh, this I think is its debut.
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This was the first time. And as they introduce more and more quote vaccines. So real quick,
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we'll get back to the clip, but like he's using it as a coming in from commercial. Whereas
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in the present it's always going out to break. So now it's, I think he's debuting. He's like,
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Oh, this doesn't fit here. This could go like as a soft reminder that it's time for a commercial
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break, but coming in is jarring.
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But a really genetic engineering, DNA altering systems. They are testing how to cover it
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up in the media, how to spin it, how to control the watchdog groups that pop up to fight it.
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They've been testing soft kill weapons in Africa, Latin America, Asia, and now the soft
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kills coming here. And what is Bill and Melinda Gates foundation trying to do engineer mosquitoes
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where you, even if you don't want to take vaccines, the mosquitoes bite you and deliver
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it.
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That sounds like it was from final fantasy four, like Nobuo Uematsu composed that, right?
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It's so mellow. It's so mellow. It's very comforting.
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It's like you're going through a dungeon and it's a, it's like an ice dungeon. Like to
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your tastes, it would be like a Zelda dungeon. You know what I'm saying?
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Or like an underwater level in Donkey Kong country, something serene. Like, yeah, I don't
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know, man. It's very weird. But also that end part is so stupid. He's working off this
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really incomplete understanding of an article that he read about little mosquitoes, little
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mosquito drones being able to be created.
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I like it.
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Well, the idea that they'd be able to vaccinate people is absurd because...
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With mosquito drones?
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Well, the problem is that being able to make something small enough that they would be
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largely undetected and be able to fly around and zap people with vaccines.
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With enough vaccine payload.
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Well, I mean, you'd only be able to have like one person worth of vaccine. And that would
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be like, if you're trying to hit an adult, that's a milliliter. That's pretty big for
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a...
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For a mosquito sized...
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For a mosquito drone. And then beyond that, just like the energy capacity that it would
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need to fly around a milliliter would be pretty ridiculous. People have gone on record and
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specified that like that technology is...
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Cost prohibitive.
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It doesn't exist, and no one would be motivated towards creating it.
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Why not?
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Because you'd...
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Why not, Dan?
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It'd be insane. And then...
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You ask why, I ask why not.
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And then the further issue is that like different vaccines that you need, like a flu vaccine
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or an MMR or whatever, like...
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Make some more mosquitoes.
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Well, some of them require subdermal injections. Some are subcutaneous.
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Make bigger...
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Like make hornets.
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They'd need to be like specifically able to make specific injections that would be...
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It's just...
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Put a brain in them.
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It's the craziest idea.
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Put a human brain in them.
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See now...
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Put a little rat brain in them.
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Now we're there. That is...
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Because if you're talking about them being drones, then I mean, what you would have is
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you'd have to have someone operating them. And so you'd have to have someone flying around
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a little tiny mosquito with a milliliter worth of...
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What do you think the Nintendo Switch was invented for, Dan?
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That's a good point.
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That's what it's all about.
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So then you would stick someone with this milliliter and then you'd have to go back
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to home base.
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Right.
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Or you would expect like it's just going to be lost.
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This little mosquito drone is going to be lost in the field.
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You'd expect somebody to slap it with their hands.
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Which happens with mosquitoes a lot. And then you're out a million dollars or whatever.
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It doesn't really work.
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There's a lot of like sort of just fundamental questions that Alex isn't asking about these
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technologies he's trying to scare his audience about.
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I like it.
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There's a lot to like. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot to like in terms of the fancifulness
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of it.
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I want mosquito drones.
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Oh, hey. Also, if you had that kind of a drone and you were trying to use it in any precise
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way about like landing on someone and sticking them, you'd have to worry about wind because
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they'd be too small that they'd be...
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Mosquitoes fly through wind. That's fine.
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Also have to worry about like what are you using a propeller like how are you doing this.
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You'd have to worry about...
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Little wings.
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It doesn't work that way.
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Mosquito wings.
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You can't do that.
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You just really...
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You can't do that.
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Really what you're doing is just putting a little robot brain on a mosquito.
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Can't do that. Then you have to worry about humidity. It would be just like there's so
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many factors involved that just make this like Bill Gates would shrink it.
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Bill Gates would sit down and be like, I love solving problems. I'm going to punt.
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This one is not...
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Okay.
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No.
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Different track.
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All right.
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I'm listening.
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You build a giant mosquito robot. Shrink it down.
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I'm nodding.
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Shrink it down.
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Oh.
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So you got to build...
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So now the issue is...
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Now you got to build a...
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Shrink it.
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The issue is the shrink ray all along, Dan. That's been the whole problem from the start.
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There's no doubt about that.
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And we know that the shrink ray technology is possible.
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Can I tell you about something that happened to me back when I lived in Hawaii?
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You got shrunk?
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No.
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So I...
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Honey, I shrunk the kids in Hawaii.
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I got involved in an invention contest back when I was like in third grade or something
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like that.
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All right.
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And so what I did is I created a multi-use tool that would clean barbecue grills.
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All right.
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Because there's a bunch of different things that you need, like a scraper, you need the
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bristles, you need like a bunch of things.
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You got to do the whole thing.
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I'm in fucking third grade. I didn't realize this probably existed already. But I made
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a prototype of this multi-purpose tool for cleaning barbecue grills. And I entered it
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in this exchange, this contest of inventions, and I lost.
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And they gave you a mosquito as a reward.
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No, I lost to this girl who had invented a hypothetical shrink and expanding ray. And
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her proof of concept was a Hershey's kiss and then a giant Hershey's kiss. And she's
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like, you would, it would hit the ray and then it would turn into that. I'm like, that
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doesn't exist.
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She showed the scene from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory where they shrink him
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down.
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It made me furious.
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She calls it the Mike TV machine.
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I'm still mad about this. I was in third grade. I was furious. It's like, I put work into
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this.
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That was her proof of concept.
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She just bought a giant Hershey's kiss. Yeah.
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All right. Well, I'm sold. I'm sold. How did she do?
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She won.
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No, I mean like later on in life. How does her shrink ray work?
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I lost track of her. She probably is working on a giant mosquito technology.
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All right. Well, that's good. And it was winning that contest that propelled her, that gave
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her the self-confidence necessary to pursue a career in giant mosquito making technology.
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And you know what, Dan? You're trying to step in the way.
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You know, what makes me most furious is that like, I'm sure she doesn't even remember it.
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I'm sure that's not even a memory for her.
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And for me it plagues me.
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What could have been if I had just won that contest?
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So Jordan, we move on to February 10th now, Tuesday. And here's where shit gets fairly
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interesting. And Alex says a bunch of really stupid shit. That'll be fun to talk about.
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It starts with him getting back on his bullshit a little bit about saying gross things about
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abortion. And I only kept this in because I've tried to find the specific case he's
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talking about and I can't, and I just don't think this happened.
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I read that mainstream news story about the baby letting you get to the abortion clinic
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for a seven month abortion partial birth. The doctor doesn't show up on time. She has
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the baby. So they grab the baby, throw it on the ground, try to bash its brains out.
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This is mainstream news. Then take it and throw it in the dumpster and it died of exposure.
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Cockroaches chewing on it. And people went in the comment section of M4 Wars and said
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I was making it up. They don't even go to the news article and read it. You just can't
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handle the truth. You can't handle it.
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So I looked for this. They didn't read the original article. How would they find it?
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Did you link to it? No? Okay.
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I'm not disputing that there might be some sensationalized bullshit article that he's
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talking about. I don't know. I haven't found it. But I did look into all this. There is
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a lot of instances of babies and dumpsters and stuff like that, fetuses and dumpsters.
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And most of the time, if you look at the stories, they are not abortion clinics. They are people
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who have the baby and want to keep it secret, whether it's an abusive spouse, abusive partner,
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or just like a I don't want to deal with this kind of situation, generally speaking.
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In the same way that when he talks about kids being kept in cages, not in terms of the immigration
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stuff, but in terms of these pedophile networks are keeping kids in cages, when you look at
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the instances of times the kids have been found in cages, it's almost always their parents
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keeping them in cages. It's parental abuse. And the stories that I kept finding when I
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looked into this and tried to dig it up, I don't even want to talk about them because
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they're horrifying and gross. But they are instances of people who had got pregnant.
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They didn't take care of it. They got no I don't know why. Even these articles a lot
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of the time say it's unclear why they didn't deal with this. Yeah. But then they end up
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having the baby at home and then throw it in a dumpster, like as if that is going to
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deal with the issue. One of them was a was like a sorority college student, and she had
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the baby in her bathroom and then put it in a trash bag and threw it in the dumpster and
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then texted her boyfriend, no baby. So like, wow, no more baby or something like that.
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Wow. Now, to the extent that I didn't find like a police report on this, I'll say that
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I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. But I think it was in like the New Republic
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or something like that. So it's not like some it's not like some place that makes up things
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whole cloth. Yeah. They have they definitely have a bias like that. But yeah, it's not
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like it's going to look. The issue is you have stuff like this and then you have stuff
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like, you know, Kermit Gosnell, that abortion doctor who was cutting up babies and stuff
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like that, who is just a monster. That's not a story about abortion being a problem. That's
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a story of a fucking psychopath. Yeah. So you have a couple of instances like this that
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you can find. And Alex is as best I can tell, he's trying to turn the the fear of the reality
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of people like Gosnell and these people who do this to their own child and apply that
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to abortion as a whole. And it's fucking disgusting. It's it's well, I think it plays on. Yeah,
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no, no, no. I got disgusted. My problem is what he described was a cartoon where the
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doctor steps out for a second and the door gets locked behind him and then the baby comes
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flying out and it's sliding around on the floor while all the nurses are trying to slam
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it with hammers and they can't get it because it's too quick. It's sliding across the room
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like a greased pig and then it dies of exposure. It's too cold. There's a couple of busty ladies
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chasing the fetus around. Yeah, exactly. A cop with a billy club. Yeah. It's, um, it
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is. Wow, we couldn't catch that baby. Well, also the idea too is just like this, like
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they beat, they beat up the fetus. Yeah, what are you talking, that's what I'm saying. It
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sounds like there are people with hammers, like there are always just people with big
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foam mallets at an abortion clinic. Like, well, if the baby comes flying out of there,
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we gotta be, we gotta have backup for this abortion. I would say that like since the
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seventies, uh, especially abortion clinics and people who work at them are pretty keenly
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aware that people want to kill them. Uh, and uh, I generally think that they would, uh,
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they much more aware. So even if you wanted to do what we just were sarcastically discussing
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as like a possibility, they'd be like, eh, no. Yeah, I think, I think, uh, they go far
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more by the books and that's why whenever these things come out by like James O'Keefe
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or the Center for Medical Progress, it's always crazy edited videos. Uh, and it's always,
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uh, uh, outright manipulation to try and make these people look like they're doing the things
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that they want their listeners to be afraid that they're doing when they're not. Right.
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So hmm. But that leads back to my, my long, my long held belief that, uh, don't worry
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about them like, like because there's nothing you can do. There's no amount of purity that
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you can, they're going to portray you as what they want you to be no matter what. Like don't
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even like what, who gives a shit? Like don't, don't fucking deal with these people. Like
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what? Obama never had a chance. They would never have given him a shot. It'd be so great
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if you just like, uh, just suck my balls. Yeah. Just swung it. Just swing your dick
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on the table. That's, that's my, that's my issue with liberals. We don't swing our dicks
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on the table. Conservatives swing their dicks all around. I think it's fine for, I'm coming
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around to your position a little bit more. Um, and I think that a lot of my positions
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need clarification, uh, like in terms of like what people think I believe and versus what
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I actually do. Um, in terms of like what is the right decorum and stuff like that. Uh,
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I don't, I don't think it's wrong to scream at anybody who's involved with Trump. I mean,
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I never did. I didn't think it was the, the line that I had for the longest time was like,
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well, we're going to have to eventually figure this out and eventually we're going to have
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to work things out. And eventually there are people who are conservative, who are come
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from a good faith position and we should not, uh, abuse them in the same way that we would
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abuse, uh, people who are of the Nazi persuasion. And the more time goes on and the, the less
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and less I hear any of those voices, uh, the more it becomes very clear to me that, uh,
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the priority is the people whose, uh, existence is in jeopardy. Uh, and uh, go ahead and go
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ahead and paint conservatives with a broad brush. I don't care. Yeah. Maybe six, nine
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months ago, I kind of cared a little bit about the idea of like, let's be fair to people
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and not put them in these groups. Uh, but now, especially with the stuff that we're
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seeing now with like the, uh, you know, you could see these polls of, of conservatives,
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uh, like just broadly supporting everything that's horrible that Trump does. And you just
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see that and you're like, well, this does not track. I apologize to those 20% or whatever
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that aren't on board, but fuck you. Yeah. Because the other 60% is going to kill my
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friends. That's not cool. It just always goes back to like, think about who's standing around
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you. When you're, when you're at a rally, look around, do you want to be at that rally?
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And if you're one of the 20% of conservatives who's like, I don't want to be at that rally,
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but I'm still calling myself a conservative. Well then you're at that rally. So go fuck
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yourself. It's that classic thing of like, if you're cool hanging out with Nazis, you
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are a Nazi. You know, there's not, there's not a thin line there. There's not, there's
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not a line at all. You just are. Yep. Um, and I know everyone can, blah, blah, blah.
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Keep saying Nazi, whatever. It, it, it's relevant. No, they're Nazis. That's relevant. I, I,
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I read this Washington Post article that was about the... Talking WAPO? Yeah, I'm talking
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WAPO. That's my new, uh, my new show that'll be on AMC. Talking WAPO. Yeah. Talking WAPO?
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Yep. Now that Chris Hardwick's out, I'm in. Walkin' Poe, talkin' WAPO. Uh. Strong. Strong.
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I read this like opinion piece that was like, Sarah Huckabee Sanders should not have been
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kicked out of that restaurant. I agree with you that Nazis are bad. I've seen that take.
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We need to, and, uh, one of all the things to care about right now, what Sarah Huckabee
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fucking Sanders is allowed to do, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Right. Even
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if I, even if I agreed with him in the longer sense, uh, we'll get to that later, dude.
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We'll get to 10 years from now, whenever these, whenever all of this shit is behind us, which
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it won't be, but then we can talk about decorum. For right now, let's bail on decorum and get
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refugee children back to their parents. But I honestly think that that conversation is
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even like a disservice to the reality of the world. You know, like even the civility conversation
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that seems to be happening on, uh, on the internet, I think even that is like, we should
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just reject that. Yeah. Like we shouldn't even, it shouldn't even have like those sorts
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of articles just hard pass. No, thank you. No, not, not interested. It's just because
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the responses are all just a waste of time and they all seem to boil down to, especially
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from the right, the responses to Sarah Huckabee Sanders not being allowed to eat at this restaurant
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in Virginia seemed to be like, Oh, but what about the people who won't bake a cake? Right.
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And it's like, well, your actions are different than you being a part of a protected class.
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The civil rights act exists. And then you, did you see that fucking? No, it's equivalent.
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They, uh, loved each other and we're not bothering anybody and got married and would like a cake
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for that. And she is the lying mouthpiece of an organization that is tossing, uh, innocent
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people into jail all the time, all the time. Speaking of the civil rights act, did you
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see that video of, uh, Jordan Peterson being interviewed by Jim Jefferies? No, I heard
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about it though. It's, it's basically just, I mean, Sam Cedar does this with, uh, libertarians
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all the fucking time. Just brings up the idea of the civil rights act and be like, okay,
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so based on the argument that you're making, you think the businesses shouldn't be able
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to serve black people if they don't like them. And they're like, and they all, they all basically
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waffle about that. They all just fall apart. And the fact that Jim Jefferies brings this
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up to Jordan Peterson about his idea of the gay cakes, uh, shit. And he's like, I might
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be wrong. What the fuck is wrong? Well, that was quick. How did you not think of this?
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This is the most basic rebuttal that anyone could make. And the fact that he, Oh God,
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it was disastrous. When I saw that, I'm like, how dare you show your face in public again?
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How dare you tweet ever again? You need to go on hiatus. Like this is the intellectual
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version of like, I got to go to rehab. I got to go to rehab. Perfect. That is the, that
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is the perfect analogy for that. It's like some celebrity who got in trouble, got a little
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too buck wild one night and then they're like, all right, I don't want everyone to hate me.
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I'm going to rehab. Go away. Then film iron man. That's what you gotta do. You gotta go
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away to come back. You're going to be huge. Sign a 10 picture deal with not being a homophobe.
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Exactly. Yeah. Um, so now, um, we get to this next clip and this is, this is pretty weird.
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And I will say, um, I find, I find this distasteful on a lot of levels. And I think actually Alex
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Jones is, uh, against his libertarian values in this, uh, this next one, which I find kind
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of delightful. First they sell you on getting rid of the old people saying, well, they have
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a right to die with dignity. And they'll cut to some person 75 years old, excruciating
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pain saying, I deserve to be able to commit suicide. Yeah. Agreed. Hey Bubba, nobody stopping
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you from going to the dentist to have a tooth pulled and getting the whole bottle of a hydrocodone
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and going home and turning your lights out. Well, they can't get access to suicide.
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So that's a long pause that he has, but I want to address this cause he's going to say
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some other shit. But like before that, the very easy rebuttal to this is like, I believe
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that libertarians do believe that you have the right to end your own life. If you are
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in excruciating pain or something like that, that is absolutely a libertarian position.
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You have the right over your own body and what have you to the extent of that, um, him
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saying no one's stopping you from going to the dentist and getting a ton of hydrocodone.
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As you pointed out the law as I'm pointing out, okay, in order for you to do that, you
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now need a dentist who's willing to be your accessory in your suicide of yourself. You
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get a black market dentist or you need to conveniently need dental surgery and then
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pay for that. And along the way, get hydrocodone. Have you ever been to the dentist? You already
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want to kill yourself, right? Right. It's gonna, it's gonna fuel the process, but like
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no matter what, you're going to need assistance. Somehow you're going to need to eat assistance
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getting that hydrocodone or you're going to need Kevorkian, you know, like you need one
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of the two. Uh, and there's no way around that. Also, I don't understand his point.
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We'll get to it here in a second. But because what I'm hearing right now is him saying people
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want the right to die. Right. And then he says, well, nobody's stopping you from finding
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a way to kill yourself. His whole point is that like, uh, the, uh, people who are arguing
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that like old people should be able to choose to die with dignity, which I think is probably
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the better way to phrase it. Yeah. Uh, the, those people, uh, yeah, of course you agree
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with that, but what that's really about is instituting death panels and shit like that.
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That's fast. Yeah. That's, but that's his argument. And to, to, to that I say I reject
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the premise like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. But then his idea is like,
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you shouldn't need the law to come in, uh, and make it okay for someone to help you die
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because that's just going to get other people who don't want to die killed. Whereas you
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should just be able to go or you'd not be able to, you specifically should just go to
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your dentist and get a bunch of pills and then kill yourself. Or what he suggests next
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is if you can't go in the kitchen and turn the gas on, if you can't go in the garage
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and close it and turn the car on, shut up. You want to kill yourself. Go ahead. The whole
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point here is that they want to pass a law saying the government decides when to kill
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us through their bioethicist boards. That is Neo eugenics. Nope. Nope. All of those
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things. Killing old people is Neo eugenics. It's uh, I don't know what the opposite of
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I know. I was, I was just thinking the same thing. I was like, Oh, come on. Oh, you're
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jerry. Oh, Jen. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, again, I reject the premise, uh, because I don't
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know if you've ever watched any documentaries about, uh, people who, uh, choose to end their
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own life, uh, like with, uh, assisted suicide and like there's a couple of States that allow
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it. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen something. Uh, no one, no one's forcing anybody to do
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anything. Like it's, no, you have to go through, well, even Kevorkian, you had to go through
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like three different interviews and he had to be like, you need a proof of psychological
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evaluation. You need to go through the whole thing. It's crucial that people have consent
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and it's, it's the, they are deciding like I have a disease that's going to be super
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painful and is going to be a miserable experience to go through. I would rather check out now
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when I can be around my loved ones. Um, and what have you. And so the idea that he's like,
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nah, this is just a slippery slope. That's cruel. That's very cruel. Um, and then also
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the, the anger that he's expressing with the, you can't turn on the gas. You can't turn
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on the gas or something like that. That's dangerous. That's really fucking get everybody
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else around you killed. You could blow up a house if you just turn on your gas and then
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off yourself. And especially like if you're a single person and there's no one to find
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you, you could fill up your entire house with gas. You could blow up a block. And then also
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the, uh, the, um, you know, if you just do that, the exhaust in your, uh, your garage
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one, you might kill your kid. Like if you do that and they stumble in and find you,
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there's a pass out and there you go. It's not super likely, but it's possible. There's
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a lot of, there's a lot of real serious problems with that. Like idea that like, here's how
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you do it. Here's how you do it. If you want to do it, stop trying to get people to give
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you a, uh, lethal injection that you ask for around your loved ones. When you just go check
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out noticeably absent, uh, guns. Well, they're, they're never using suicides. Doesn't that
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like cause that's your first thought because that's, that's just a button. That's a button
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that says, fuck that noise. Which is what I, cause I don't want to bring that up because
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almost all gun deaths, like many of them are suicide. Something like 40, 40 to 60%. Yeah.
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Something insane. Because I, and as far as the law goes, like I think for me, the law
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should just be like the, uh, a fuck that noise law where it's like, oh, you've got stage
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four cancer and you get to press a button that says, fuck that noise. Get on out. You
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know, like that kind of thing. At your own, um, uh, the way you want to go. Like if you
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want to go sleepily with drugs, then go sleepily with drugs. If you want to, I mean, this is
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weird and maybe I'm going too far with this. Now we're going to just dream up scenarios
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for us to kill ourselves delightfully. If you want to safely shoot yourself, I think
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you should be able to do that. Yeah, that's fine. Like under, like cause some people maybe
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don't want to take drugs and doze off or whatever. I don't know. I would certainly. You might
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get, you might get sick though and you might throw it up. You might do that whole thing
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or maybe you're weird in your last moments. You don't want that. Maybe you are like blacked
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out and say some shit. You shouldn't say like because of the drugs. Maybe the last moment
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with your family is you saying like I was part of the little font side or something
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like that. Like I'm the green river killer. I'm DB Cooper and yeah, yeah, yeah. You might
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see now that's cause that's the thing that I would want to do is I would want to leave
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a big ass mystery. You might be super high on whatever those death drugs are and then
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you're like, I'm going to pull a prank.
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Then I'll tell him, I gotcha. Oh no, I can't. But in order to avoid that, maybe you want
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to shoot yourself and there's ways to do that safely. Uh, but you know, there's a, I just,
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I disrespect this position. I really hate it. I know that he's afraid of Obamacare and
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all that stuff and I get, I get why he wants to spread his political fear, but the real
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world impact of this is really, really ugly.
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And that's, as you said, you know, that's specifically against his principles because
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that is denying you your choice. Yeah, absolutely. Well at the same time he's trying to protect
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his ideas by saying, you can go kill yourself. We just shouldn't allow it under the law.
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Right. Like that doesn't make any sense. No. So what else doesn't make sense is Alex.
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Uh, at this point gets into, remember he was talking about how the, uh, the, they want
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to steal your baby. They've always wanted to do that. Right, right. So they want to
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give you, unless it slides out and then is on the floor and you're, they want to kill
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your baby, but failing that they want to steal it.
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He loves the conception of these people. Then get this, Alex on this show role plays what
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it's like when a nurse is with a pregnant lady. Oh yes. I want to hear this.
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The nurse sits there and ask your wife right in front of you. Do you have any problems
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at home? And she'll say, Oh, sir, will you go file this? Take this to the nurse downstairs
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for me. And then as soon as you leave the room, this is how they do it. They go, do
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you feel safe at home? You got enough money? Our bill's tough. And there's the trusting
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woman sitting there about to have her baby, you know, she's going into labor and the nurse
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is smiling, honey, you need a cup of water. And then she's putting in the computer. And
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if you say you're having money troubles, they come snatch your children.
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That's fast. That is fast. They don't even have to see a budget.
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By the grace of God though, the CPS is huge, but they're usually so busy kidnapping other
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kids that a lot of times they can't show up to kidnap yours.
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Oh, okay. Okay. Cool, man. Well, cool. That is good luck for me for everyone. That's like
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the, the IRS is understaffed. So you're probably don't even need to pay your taxes. Here's
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my nightmare story that happens all the time. Now, if it has happened to none of you, don't
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be surprised because they're too busy doing it to everybody else. Now you probably haven't
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experienced this, but everyone else has. Please don't talk amongst yourselves about how this
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never happens. That's so ridiculous. I love that. I love that conversation too.
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You need a water? You want some water? Oh honey. Oh, you're having money troubles? Steal
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that baby! Steal it! Putting in the paperwork. Steal the baby.
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She's got a little, she's got like a little, a bank teller secret alarm button underneath
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the little thing. This is crazy, but this is, I mean, this does make sense. I mean,
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it is, it is in line with this, this, um, this worldview that he has about families
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and stuff like that and how they're like, shouldn't fucking have anybody get involved
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with them. And it's like, well, there does need to be an implement of the state if kids
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are being abused and stuff like that. Like you do need some sort of recourse again. No.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't like that. I don't like that. Um, so in this next clip, we, we
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get a trend that we see over and over again in Alex's world. Uh, and that is that he says
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one positive, uh, uh, adjective and he's really talking about white people.
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Here we are. We are going into the control grid and with it comes the face scanning cameras,
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the secret police all over England. Now, if you're at the park or walking down the street,
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this happened to me, but not just me. I watch him walking up to mainly clean cut, good looking
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families. They leave all the people that the public's told us is for the illegal aliens,
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the foreigners alone. Okay. So clean cut, good looking families, white people, white
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people, clean cuts, good looking, good looking families. Now they leave everyone who looks
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like they're foreigners alone. Right. That could be anybody. Certainly not clean cut,
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good looking family. Our first lady isn't even from here. She's not even a citizen.
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Let's not talk about her. Um, so I don't know. I mean, it's just, it's a, it's a hot mess.
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So, um, I only, I know that this is repetitious, but there is a, there is a method to my madness
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to a certain extent. And just remind it, we need constant reminders that when he talks
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about positive things, it does seem to be like he's talking about white people and there's
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a differentiation between people who are weird and different, uh, and clean cut American
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good families. Which again, this is the weakest link. It's so obvious what he's doing because
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he's terrible at it. You go to a place like, well, and I mean even like all the mainstream
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conservative outlets are just running towards his side. The guy, the guy who said you're
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out of your cotton pick and mind, like you, you are running towards Alex Jones. They used
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to be better at it. They used to be, they used to have the slightest of winks to where
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you're like, wait, is that a dog whistle? I don't even know. This is the thing that
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I never predicted. Uh, and I don't even think this was the case at the election. I'm not,
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I'm not a hundred percent sure cause I was not a scholar of Fox news per se. Um, but
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I never would have predicted even in, uh, 2016 that what we would end up with is Fox
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news becoming like Alex Jones. Oh yeah. Like I didn't think that what would happen is that
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we would experience that. But like that is what's happening. Like the, the, the overwhelming
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portion of right wing media is now blending towards Alex. Well they have to, they don't
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have to. Well, I mean in, in they do, they do kind of have to, in order to continue existing
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completely change. Right. Well they would have to completely change. Exactly. In order
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to continue existing as they are, they have to bequeath ground to the Democrats or something
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or the left. Yeah. And they can't do that. So you have to, because the reality is he's
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doing everything that you said your, that you said Obama was doing, you have to make
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up reasons to dis-believe it. And the more reasons you make up to disbelieve things,
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the best way to disbelieve something is to create something else to believe in, i.e.
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the globalists. Right. So there you go. Now we call it the deep state on Fox news or any
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of those things in order to, cause they're smart enough to know like about the connotations
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of using this specific language. Yeah. They're not going to use globalist. But it's, it's
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wild man. It's, it's, uh, I don't, I don't know how to deal with it. No, I, I, I don't
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think Sean Hannity is anything other than Alex Jones in 2015. Totally. Yeah. It's the
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same guy. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, Brian Kilmeade the other day, he was on Fox and
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friends and he was talking about the, uh, the kids, uh, at the camps and he was the
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one who said, they're not our kids, our kids. They have compassion, but right. And there
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was a, there was another clip that was circulating from years ago of him on Fox and France talking
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about how, um, America has not had like a ethnic purity or something like that. Talking
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about like, uh, Scandinavia and country, they marry each other, but we marry other breeds
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and races and stuff like that. It's like, oh man, this is so vert. Yeah, no, they're,
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they're a giant Nazi network. They're a Nazi network. Isn't that crazy? I saw, I saw, uh,
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although at the same time I saw regular Fox news, uh, like, like the news part, cause
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all of that, that they, that we talk of as Fox news is, uh, they're, they're opinion
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programming shows. Yeah. They're, they're opinion programming that presents itself exactly
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like their new shows. And I saw one of their regular Fox news shows and it was like, oh,
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you guys actually do news. Oh, look at you. You're cute. Like it was cute to see them
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try and do news. It is cute. Yeah. What's about to happen is not cute. Um, so at this
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point on the 10th of February, 2009, Alex Jones has on as a guest gentleman by the name
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of Charles Key. You might remember him cause I brought him up earlier. He's the guy from
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Oklahoma who is putting forth that state sovereignty bill. Is that a Dana Callas joke? What? You
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might remember him cause I brought him up earlier. Very funny comedian. Dana Callas.
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Check him out. Um, he comes on as a guest now, not Danny Callas, Charles Key. Um, and
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we find out Danny would be great on it for us. We find anyways, we find out the reason
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that Alex Jones for the last, cause he's started that on the sixth. Now we're at the 10th.
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One of the reasons that he's pushing the States asserting their sovereignty narrative. It
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seems like it's just like, Hey, this is exciting. Another talking point for me. Right. There's
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a deeper reason to it. There's many rays of sunshine. Um, the biggest one obviously is
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that Oklahoma passed a resolution saying we're not going to allow UN takeovers and gun confiscation
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and UN and all this. And then the feds bombed you to teach you to love them, uh, to teach
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you that they're the savior, uh, with Oklahoma city that you've exposed. Um, oh, now we've
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got, it's 10 States now it's grown three more since last week. Introducing bills to say
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no to the feds. And in there, I'm sure you've had a chance to read over some of the others.
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Uh, it's saying we're not going to put up with martial law. We're not putting up with
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gun confiscation. We're going to instruct our state police to resist. So
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we're not going to put up with those things you're not doing and can't. Right. This is
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um, you know what else? We're going to stop it. Stop signs. We'll do it. You can't even
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stop us. I don't know if that would pass as a house resolution. Let's not waste our time
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with this. So the reason that Alex Jones is so gung ho about this is because part of his
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narrative is that Oklahoma passed a resolution like this. And then as a retaliatory action,
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they got in order to then the thunder terrorism. Right. Now I find this week
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Oh, do you? I do. All right. Give, give several examples. Why I will in a moment, but before
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I do, here's my, here's my stated position about things like this. Oklahoma city is a
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really big issue. If we were going to get into it, it would require a lot of research
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on my part. Some of it I've done already. Some I'd need to get deeper into the specifics
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of, and I don't give a shit because I don't care about the people who died or anything
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like that, but because the burden of proof is on Alex. And if he wants to say that Oklahoma
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city was fake, that's too broad a claim. I don't know what to do with that. I need him
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to give me a specific, I need him to point out one thing and then I'll look into that
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and we can go from there. If he says this, that they passed this resolution and then
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the, uh, they got Oklahoma city, they put that bomb in the teacher cause equals effect.
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There's nothing I can do with that. There's no, there's no amount of research that I can
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do that will disprove that tenuous connection that he's trying to make. Unfortunately in
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this interview, Alex does bring up a specific, oh no, and I will get to it. Why does he do
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that? Here is what he does. Charles Key representative in Oklahoma, spearhead of a general Benton
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Parton and others exposing the bombs in the buildings, the police eyewitnesses and others,
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federal forces brutally tortured to death and murdered. Like cop of the year, Terrence
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Yankee when they tried to expose it. See, he's gone through that journey. So he brings
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up Terrence Yankee. He says Yankee, uh, cause he doesn't have a good, he's not a good broadcaster,
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but um, do you know who Terrence Yankee is? No. He's a police officer, uh, in Oklahoma
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city who, uh, saved a bunch of people in the aftermath of the bombing. He ended up pulling
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out, uh, between four and eight people from the wreckage, uh, before falling through a
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hole in the, uh, in the, I don't know, the building, I guess he fell two floors and injured
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his back. Um, and after that he became very despondent, uh, and felt an immense amount
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of guilt, uh, because he got hurt and wasn't able to save more people. Right. And he ended
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up committing suicide in a field, uh, about a year after the Oklahoma city bombing a couple
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days before he was supposed to receive a huge honor, a big, a big award. Right. And before
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that he had started to say things like, I don't deserve this. Right. And things like
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that. Extreme imposter syndrome kind of thing. I've reviewed a lot of, uh, the evidence that
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conspiracy theorists, cause Alex right there and there, he's saying that he was tortured
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and then killed, uh, because he was going to come out and reveal that it was all fake.
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Oh, okay. I thought he was saying it sarcastically because he thought he was part of the whole
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conspiracy. Nope. Okay. He believes that, and this is a, one of the major underpinnings
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of the Oklahoma city conspiracy is the Terrence Yakey was a cop who was involved and he was
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about to go public and, uh, because he couldn't deal with it. Uh, he was making a bunch of
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statements to people and then they in heavy quotes, yeah, murdered him. Right. Uh, the
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suicide was actually a murder. Um, and I've, I've re I've reviewed a ton of evidence of
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this. I've looked over everything and I am not convinced in any way that Terrence Yakey
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was murdered. This looks like an all too common instance of a tragedy being compounded. The
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Oak, uh, the Oklahoma city bombing was a complete tragedy and the suicide of police officer
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who by all credible accounts seems to be a good hearted man as just another layer of
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that tragedy. Circumstances of his death are in no way particularly outside of what you
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might expect in a suicide being done by someone who has not attempted suicide before he had
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sooth. He had superficial cuts to his wrist and his throat, but died from a gunshot wound
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to his head. This might seem strange, uh, but in reality it's a bit harder than you
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might expect to slash your wrist successfully. It is. So, uh, the, the circumstances were
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that he, uh, was in his car, uh, and he tried to slash his wrists, uh, conceivably his neck.
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Um, and then, uh, there's a bunch of blood in the car and, uh, his car was left and he
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wandered about a mile and a half. It's taken too long. Uh, you wandered about a mile and
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a half and then he was found, uh, in this field, uh, having shot himself in the head.
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So the issue is that it takes an amazing amount of poise. I don't know if that's the right
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word, but, uh, to cut yourself deeply enough to kill yourself. I know that this sounds
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really indelicate and awful, but it does. It's, it's a thing where you think this sucks.
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This sucks to talk about in any way. I will. Fine. Then I'll do it. I was there. I did
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the whole thing. It's really hard to do. I speak from experience myself. Yeah. Yeah.
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It's, it's, uh, you don't, you don't, God, it's ugly, but like, it's like, it's, it's
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really, really close to trying to, cause you're doing it with your own hands. It's really
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close to trying to strangle yourself with your own hands. Exactly. Yeah. It takes, it
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takes, um, uh, it just, you don't, you don't understand without having gone through it
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or anything, the amount of like, you have to go fucking super deep and you have to really
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mean it. And I'm not saying he didn't mean it when he was trying to cut his wrists, but
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like, there are ways that you can kill yourself, like overdosing or a gunshot that are more
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like a button that you press. Right. And like with, with taking overdosing and stuff like
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that, you hope in that state, you hope that it does the trick. Right. And with the gun,
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it's like, you're done. But like cutting yourself is like, you might think it's deep enough,
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but it's not. And I imagine in that circumstance, that might have been what he found himself
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in that car. Right. I'm not sure if you're walking a mile and a half and then you shoot
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yourself. Right. You didn't, it wasn't there. So now to reframe things a little bit, cause
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this is very important. What Alex believes is that he was attacked in the car and then
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dragged a mile and a half and then killed at the point where he was found. Now, the
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problem that seems inefficient. Now, the problem that I have with that is why the hell would
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the murderers cut him up fairly cleanly, but not deeply enough to kill him, which likely
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would be impossible if you were fighting back in anywhere, particularly considering that
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the cuts were on his wrists and his throat. You know, like he would be fighting and then
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if you're trying to not kill him, but then you get deep enough cause he's fighting back,
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you would there's no way to to create that scenario without accidentally going too far.
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He was driving. No, because he's parked in this this field. He was parked. So then they
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would have had to they would have had to have done it in the car, which means that they
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would have had to have been in an enclosed space with him. And further, any of the cuts
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he had would clearly cause bloodstains on the murderer. And more importantly, no bloodstains
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in the car where the murderer would have been. That physical evidence of a person attacking
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him in his car would be open and shut and it doesn't exist. Then you have to consider
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that these murderers would have to think it was a good idea to not kill him in the car
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where they've already done most of the work, but instead drag him a mile and a half, which
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would take approximately 30 minutes under normal average walking conditions, but would
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probably be slowed down by the barbed wire fences in the way. And the very heavy human
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who he was six foot tall, three inches, two hundred seventy five pounds. The murderer
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would have to be drag. Wait, what? Yeah, he was six foot six, three to seventy five. And
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they dragged him in their conspiracy theory a mile and a half after attacking him in the
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car. He's bleeding, but not dead, possibly still conscious. They'd have to be dragging
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him for a mile and a half. It's very fair to assume that that would take forty five
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minutes to 50 minutes generously to cover that amount of ground in that conditions.
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The murderers would have had to, for zero reason, risked being out in the open with
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their victim mid-murder for almost an hour when at any point he could scream or anyone
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could accidentally stumble on their path. That makes no sense from any perspective.
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When it could have, the job that needed to be done could have been done right there in
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the car. Then, for no reason, they would have to choose an arbitrary spot where, I guess,
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they walked far enough where they decide to shoot Terrence in the head, which they very
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much could have done at any point or even back at the car. This is a terrible plan and
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no one would have done it. It's much easier to rationalize the idea that he had tried
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to slash his wrists and throat and realized he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it to the
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extent that he wanted to end his life and he couldn't do it that way. The exact reason
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for leaving the car is anyone's guess. I don't pretend to have any idea what it would be,
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but it could have been a fear that an errant shot, if he was shooting himself, could have
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blown up the car and caused excess damage to the field he was in, like a wildfire, something
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like that. The idea that he would wander towards his childhood hometown, El Reino, which is
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close to where he ended up, his body was found, and then finish the suicide there makes total
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sense. I have no idea what the reality is, but there could have been a sentimental attachment
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to the place where he ended his life or it could just be as simple as that it's where
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he fell and ran out of enough strength to carry on.
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The idea that there was a downward trajectory to the bullet that went through his head.
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That is another piece of evidence that people bring up as evidence of a murder. That's not
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indicative that he didn't shoot the shot. There are a hundred different possible explanations
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for that. One of the easier ones is that it would be the safest way to shoot yourself.
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If you're expecting a possible in and out shot, an upward trajectory could lead that
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bullet to hitting someone or something else if it goes up and out. Beyond that, a downward
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trajectory kind of just feels natural. If you put a fake gun to your head like this,
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you know, it kind of feels like there's a little bit of a downward trajectory to it.
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I suppose I can see that.
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Even past that, a person's head could be bowed when they're doing this to themselves and
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that would make a downward shot also much more likely.
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That seems more reasonable.
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So I started to look into his life. That's just the details of the actual event.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that's really hard. Looking into that stuff was really tough because it's ugly and
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thinking about that stuff is never fun.
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Triggering.
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So I read an article in People magazine that was about him and it said, quote, he joined
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the Oklahoma City police in 1990 and was called up for service in the Persian Gulf in December.
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There his duties included the mass burial of civilians killed in the war. Quote, when
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he came back, you could tell there was a major change in him, said his sister Vicki. He wasn't
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the same.
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There's an incredibly high likelihood that what was happening was that he suffered from
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PTSD and this PTSD was re-triggered by his experience in the Oklahoma City bombing.
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Again from People, quote, on the night before his death, sheriff's deputies found him sitting
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disoriented in his car by the roadside.
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They brought him to his sister Vicki's house where exhausted he spoke about the explosion,
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confiding that he was haunted by the images of dead children and terrified of his own
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nightmares.
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Quote, I'm afraid of what I might do, he said.
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The former Canadian, more details about this specific.
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Right.
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The former Canadian County Sheriff Clint Bowler, that's the county that El Reno is in, he said,
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who claims to have known Yakey, doesn't concur with the analysis of the murder.
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Bowler said that Yakey showed up at his house in El Reno in the afternoon of his death.
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His car stopped at an angle in the middle of the road.
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When Bowler and his girlfriend Kate Allen, a paramedic, ran outside, they found a police
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officer virtually passed out.
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Quote, he couldn't tell us his name initially, said Allen.
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He was ill, he was very anxious.
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His heart rate was rapid, he was sweaty.
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He told us he'd been having concentration problems.
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He hadn't slept.
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He had all the appearances, my first guess would be, of someone who was having emotional
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problems.
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And my second guess would be, of course, some kind of substance abuse problem, but that's
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a pure guess.
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Basically they, and this again is a quote from Bowler, quote, basically they, and he's
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talking about Terrence's family, who he ended up calling to pick him up and ideally take
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him to the hospital.
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Terrence refused to go to the hospital and his family just let him leave.
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Of course.
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They just let him go, said Bowler.
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We told those people he needed help.
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We knew he was suicidal.
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He had all the classic symptoms.
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It appears that Terrence suffered from a severe combination of PTSD from the horrors he experienced
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in the Gulf, mixed with survivor's guilt of not being able to save more people in Oklahoma
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City.
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Not to mention further PTSD from experiencing that terrorist event as well.
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Quote, the bombing of the Murrah building deepened Yakey's distress.
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What others saw as his heroism, he regarded as failure.
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He'd say, had I not fallen, I could have saved more lives, recalls his biological mother
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Almar Jarrah.
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Terrence fell and hurt his back in his efforts to rescue people at the Murrah building, something
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that he was deeply ashamed about, and most likely led to him being prescribed opiates
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to deal with the pain.
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Oh, fuck me.
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It's unclear if that was the case, but it is said repeatedly that he was on a number
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of medications and has a very common prescription that's made in cases of consistent pain.
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Quote, he was taking medications for his back, said Canadian County Sheriff Clint Bowler.
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He had four or five medications in his car.
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Terrence absolutely was at the Murrah building.
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He definitively saved four to eight people that day, depending on the source.
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And there's photographic evidence that he was there.
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His ex-wife, Tawny Rivera, alleges that he wasn't there or that he said that he wasn't
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there, which indicates her either not quoting him well or testifies to him being in a very
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bad emotional state when he said something along those lines to her.
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Additionally, in a reflection of behaviors that are unfortunately common in returning
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soldiers struggling with PTSD, Terrence appears to have had a history of making violent threats.
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Quote, in a fit of temper, Yakey had once threatened to take his life and those of his
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wife and children.
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So he had done, he had been in that sort of state after the bombing.
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That dude was fucked.
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It makes zero sense that, quote, they would wait 13 months to kill this person who had
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allegedly seen evidence that the whole thing was a setup.
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Many of the arguments that are made involving his fall that happened while he was in his
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rescue efforts, during the rescue efforts, have to do with the idea that he fell through
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some floors and then saw undetonated bombs down there.
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You are great.
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Which is made with zero evidence of anything.
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Perfect.
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People just making stuff up.
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In the absence of any truth or factually based indication that that is the case, people say
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that that is what he was dealing with.
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This is pure fiction using some basic details like the fall, the tragic suicide, et cetera,
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and forcing them to fit the predetermined conclusion that these people want to push
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forth.
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I.e. white terrorism is never real.
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It's always false flags done by the government meant to demonize white people and take away
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guns.
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It's incredibly disgraceful.
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Yep.
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The story goes.
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God, I don't know how much more of this I have to read.
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Boy.
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So.
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I'm going to be honest.
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I think we're good.
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No, because I need to explain to you.
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I'll try and do this quickly.
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I need to explain to you that like the reason that people think that there is something
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conspiratorial here is not based on any real evidence of anything.
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It's all statements that his ex-wife, Tony Rivera, has made.
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They all trace back to her and they don't make sense.
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Like I've looked through the claims that she's made.
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They have no backing.
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There's no support to them.
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They're nonsensical to a certain extent.
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So just really quick, one of the stories or the story that Alex would believe is that
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Terrence Yakey was handcuffed and horribly beaten in his experience at the end of his
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life.
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Sure.
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The conspiracy sites allege that he had someone else's blood on him.
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However, this is not from any official report.
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Of course.
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Quote, while Dr. Larry Balding, Oklahoma City's chief medical examiner, quickly ruled the
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death of suicide, another medical examiner's report would, according to Tony Rivera, surface
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like an eerie, prescient message from the grave.
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This is something that his ex-wife is alleging.
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This mysterious second medical examiner's report doesn't even necessarily exist based
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on any evidence we can come up with.
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Actually, I did get a hold of it and the report said that Terry Balding, great hair.
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Yeah.
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Lot of hair.
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Amazing.
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Like a tall guy named Minnie.
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Yeah.
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Smalls.
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Like a tall guy named Minnie?
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I don't know.
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But think about this.
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Think about it.
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Why would that second medical examiner's report exist?
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What universe would that exist?
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Why would it be created?
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Why would it also just be alleged by this ex-wife?
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Who is that guy?
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Where is that guy?
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Was he commissioned?
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Why would the government, if they were trying to cover things up, hire another guy to get
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the real story?
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That doesn't make any sense.
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So the other further evidence about this goes like this.
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Quote, while attending a social function, Rivera claims her sister had a chance encounter
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with a mortician who worked on Yakey's body.
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She was discussing the strange inconsistencies of his death with someone at the party when
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the mortician, not knowing the woman was Rivera's sister, spoke up.
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Quote, that sounds like, just like a police officer we worked on in Oklahoma City, he
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said.
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When asked if the man happened to be Terrence Yakey, the mortician freaked.
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Apparently, Terrence Yakey's murderers and those covering up his death had not counted
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on this particular mortician's testimony.
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That is not a credible story in any way.
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They didn't count on, oh, the mortician.
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We didn't think about the mortician.
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Shit.
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Oh, damn it.
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This story that's being told is a completely unnamed alleged mortician that Rivera is claiming
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that Terrence's sister ran into an unspecified social function who out of nowhere brings
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up that he'd seen evidence of a horrible cover-up of a murder of a policeman who was involved
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in the Oklahoma City bombing and whose name the mortician clearly remembered.
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You get drunk and awake.
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The circumstances of the story are absurd and without further backing, like the mortician's
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name, the statement that he made, him coming forward, et cetera, this means nothing.
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It's just another piece of dubious information coming from Miss Rivera.
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Now, here's the problem.
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What's Miss Rivera's ax to grind?
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She has a vested interest in him not having committed suicide.
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Insurance?
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Yeah.
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Ah, there we go.
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There it is.
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I'm not saying that's 100% the reason that she would do this.
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I understand also grief.
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I also understand that some people are just kind of like to make stuff up.
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Yeah.
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There's those sorts of things.
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Where would we meet those people?
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Right.
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We've never heard of them.
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There's those sorts of aspects, but at the same time, there was a pension that she stood
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to be allowed if it wasn't a suicide.
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Yeah.
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She has a very strong financial interest in terms of making it seem like it.
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Again, I just have to be clear because I know nothing about her except for that her statement
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that she's made that most of the conspiracies about this guy revolve around and go back
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to don't make sense.
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Are factually inaccurate.
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Or there's nothing behind them.
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You can't find anything.
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And just when you look at them like, that doesn't make sense.
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That would be a huge problem.
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Someone would definitely have documented that.
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Yeah.
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And that doesn't exist.
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And at the same time, she has a fucking reason in terms of getting the insurance money.
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So I don't know.
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That's what I'm saying.
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So this has been my very long way of saying Alex finally brought up a specific about Oklahoma
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City.
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Yeah.
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Looked into it.
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And I don't buy it.
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Yeah.
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I'll buy it one bit.
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Anyway.
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You got him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So hold on.
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Somebody knocking at the door.
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I don't want to do a bust about this.
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It's too gross because I do feel bad for the guy.
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I don't know what to I don't know what to tell you.
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This guy was fucked.
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I mean, I totally.
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This guy.
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Yeah.
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This guy never had a chance.
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Like that's the that's the brutal situation.
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And he became a hero.
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Yeah.
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Like he never had a chance.
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And he did something.
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I mean, it's so valuable with his life and fucked up.
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Yeah.
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It's a tragic hero along with the like threatening to kill his kids and shit.
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Yeah.
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There's no there's no win.
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No, there's no there's no there's no way we can sit here and paint him as an entirely
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positive figure.
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But the idea of turning him into someone who was going to unleash this information again
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13 months after.
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Yeah.
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He would have had that fall when he could have done any of this at any point or told
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people definitively what he was going to reveal.
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Right.
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Or have any of his things on a dead drop.
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It's just Alex Jones trying to create a and Alex Jones and this Charles Key guy trying
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to create a character in their story much the same way Alex has been trying to do with
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Anthony Bourdain after his suicide.
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Right.
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Right.
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The same sort of behavior.
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And it's incredibly disgraceful.
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Also Charles Key Charles Key Chuck Chucky.
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He also won I believe the election right before this to the Oklahoma state legislature.
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Of course he did.
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Oh, God damn course he did unopposed.
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Fucking fine.
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So he won on a technicality.
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Damn it.
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So in this next clip we'll get to greener pastures.
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OK.
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Now we live in a world in 2018 where everyone is screaming at members of the Trump campaign
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and not allowing them to eat dinner happily.
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And it's delightful.
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It's wonderful.
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Alex is not into it.
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Oh yeah.
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Now what does he say about this sort of behavior nine years ago.
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I'm going to say it's OK to scream at Obama officials.
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I'm not saying do this.
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I'm saying this is what the founding fathers did.
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They beat up public officials.
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Yup.
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I'm telling you what they did in the decade leading up to 1775 when the British came to
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confiscate the guns.
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Sanders needs to get her ass kicked.
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They handed out flyers exposing corruption.
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Beat the shit out of her.
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They would shun bureaucrats.
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If a bureaucrat was sitting in a tavern eating a steak they walk up and say you're a piece
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of filth and a piece of garbage.
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And they harry and they call them out in church and they scream at them.
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Talk shit.
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Get hit.
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There you go.
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I mean Stephen Miller should have two black eyes so big he can't see.
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It's tough to get around like him being like that's what the founding fathers would do.
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So I agree.
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I agree.
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Alex.
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We finally agree.
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Have that DSA.
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Time to get out there and beat the shit out of these people.
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Yeah.
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So I actually got to be honest I want to get back to the OKC thing really quick here just
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because I feel like I didn't make my point perfectly clear.
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I think your point was that Carmelo had a terrible season this year and he should not
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have been.
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He's overrated.
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They called it the big three.
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He had a good run.
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The point that I was trying to make about this just because it's such a umbrella thing.
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The narrative that he's pushing about these states declaring their sovereignty is very
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clearly in service of those beliefs that he has about Oklahoma City.
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He's using this narrative in order to hope that something happens in one of those states
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and then he could be like it's just like Oklahoma City over again.
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OK.
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I just had to make that clear because I'm not sure if I made that point.
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OK.
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So what you're saying is immediately like his point is immediately after Oklahoma originally
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did the thing.
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Right.
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Then the bombing happened.
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To teach him a lesson.
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So now he's bringing attention to all of these states as like a as like a roll in the dice
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like hey if something happens in any one of these damn I got another OKC he's I can make
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hay.
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He's setting the table.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And what it's very clearly obvious that that's what he's doing.
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Gotcha.
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Preparatory.
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It's once you get a smell of him and you kind of get used to it.
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It's so clear what he's doing is like please let someone bomb Oklahoma again.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Someone hit Arizona.
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Missouri.
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Right.
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Just come on.
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I want a bombing so bad.
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I need a false flag.
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God damn it.
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I need validation.
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It works with my narrative.
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So at this point I want people to die so I'm right.
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I will say that I generally hate Alex Jones's callers.
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They usually suck with maybe three exceptions over the years we've done this.
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Yeah.
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The time this guy enters the pantheon of people who I kind of dig.
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I'd like you to know that a lot of us couples listen to your show all the time.
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And my wife made an interesting comment and I think I'm going to pass it on to you.
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She would like to see you have more women that are involved in the Patriot movement
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and the Second Amendment movement on your show as guests.
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That's just a hint she wanted to pass along.
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Also your website sucks.
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Your website's an abortion.
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Do you hear that at the end there?
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He's like that's just a hint.
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Just a hint.
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Just a hint.
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A lot of couples listen to your show and it's all straight white dudes.
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All old weird anti-communist John Birch society dudes.
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Maybe you should have some women in the Patriot.
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Oh there aren't.
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Oh I have Charlotte Izzerbeet on.
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I can't remember any other ladies he has on.
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I guess Shliya Flea sometimes.
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She went on the show?
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Yeah she's been on a couple times.
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Phyllis?
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Yeah.
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Remember she was on that episode that Roger Stone first appeared on.
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Oh that's right.
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Right before she died.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Not soon enough.
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Not soon enough.
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Not soon enough.
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So that caller I give him credit for.
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Also by the way fuck Krauthammer.
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He can go he can go fucking die again.
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Sure.
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Um so that's a caller who I like.
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I dig that guy being like my wife wants you to know you don't have ladies on and I fucking
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agree with her but I'm still gonna make it her comment you know that sort of thing.
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It's a very weird Alex Jones caller.
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Yeah.
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Because he's a hillbilly.
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He's like well I'm I'm just I'm just a down home country hillbilly but I think the Equal
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Pay Act should have been passed 40 years ago.
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That's all I'm trying to say.
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Now Alex I do declare you need to respect the voice of the ladies.
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Where do women on your show Alex?
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It's like a fucking feminist foghorn lake horn.
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Nah nah nah nah see boy I don't think they should be allowed to vote but you should represent
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them on your show.
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That's not fair I bet this guy is totally totally into women voting.
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He sounds like such a such a contradiction this guy.
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Totally I love it.
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That's why I like it.
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Yeah.
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So I like that caller.
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He's got he's just got one progressive streak in him.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise he's a normal Alex Jones listener.
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But for some reason he's got a good wife.
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Something to build on.
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Yeah.
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So I like that caller I don't like this next caller much.
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You hear about that guy's wife and what she said.
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Fuck that lady.
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I distribute quite a few copies of your film out to people.
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Here we go.
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Have you ever have you heard of anybody else that has been more or less what a friend of
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mine called black bagged back several weeks ago when me and the wife came in we detected
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that somebody had been in the house maybe there didn't seem to be anything missing or
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disturbed too much and I thought it's just our imagination until I looked at the original
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copies of your DVDs and every last one of them it looked like somebody took sandpaper
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and went from one side to the other on.
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Stay there.
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I'll tell you what's going on when we get back.
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Okay.
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I had something to finish with.
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My wife also said you don't have enough ladies.
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So somebody broke in this guy a black bag to his apartment or home you know it's black
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bag.
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And nothing was moved.
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You don't need to describe it.
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He got black bagged.
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But someone knows what black bagging is pulled out the DVD.
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So somebody first off knew this guy.
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This is an inside job.
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Somebody knows that he has these DVDs in there.
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He's probably well not just that maybe he's blabbed.
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Maybe he was at a local bar.
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Now now we've got a Fed in house.
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So many possibilities.
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Terrifying.
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Terrifying.
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This is the game that you play when you get out there and you try and push Patriot DVDs.
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So I would say if I were if I were Alex I'd be like sir do you have any pets that'd be
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my first question.
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And then I would say where are you keeping those DVDs is it possible that you kept them
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in like an unsafe place and you ended up scratching them because that happens a whole bunch.
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I did leave them dangling precariously above my circuit saw.
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And my sandpaper collection.
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My sandpaper collection.
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My sandpaper garden.
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I did done keep them in my sandpaper garden.
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See now I'm imagining like a philateles like he's got them all on pins.
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Now most of my furniture is cactus based.
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There's a hundred explanations I could come up with for how a DVD gets scratched other
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than someone breaks in.
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All of my blankets are woven from my own stubble.
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So yes.
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That could be a possibility.
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I consider my blankets to be stubble binded.
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All right.
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Come on.
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All right.
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Mine is one.
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I feel like that should be a push.
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That's all right.
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That's a push.
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So Alex did say that we'll get back to it I'll tell you what's going on.
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And when I heard that I was like oh he's not going to get back to this guy.
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No he's totally getting back to him.
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Are you sure?
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No no no.
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The moment he said you stay right there I heard in his voice we're black bag and talking
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the rest of the show.
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And he does.
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Okay we are going back to Kurt in Texas.
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Kurt just some background.
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Let me guess you live in a small town.
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Not too small a town.
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Where do you live?
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Abilene.
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Kind of small.
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Oh Abilene is probably one of the worst.
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You know that's where the bushes hang out that in Midland.
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We see some of the worst cases in that area time and time again.
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So many black bags.
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What happens is people that give out hundreds or thousands of copies and this ended up in
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the newspaper.
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I don't know if you heard me tell the Kelly Rushing case.
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He was giving out my video and a Ron Paul video and they charged him for my video and
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the Ron Paul video saying it was threatening the police that they didn't like it.
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And it went to court and the jury found him not guilty.
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This happened in 2004.
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I don't know the details of it.
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The only information I can find are from Ron Paul forums and Prison Planet articles and
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I don't trust those.
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So I have no idea.
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There's probably more to this story but I have no idea.
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Of terroristic threats through the videos.
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Very nice guy in the community and he couldn't believe that it happened.
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But yes they probably went in your house looking for something illegal, they couldn't find
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anything and they got mad.
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And see you've got these federally paid for anti-terror liaison officers in every department.
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A lot of them in big departments.
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I don't know who those people are.
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They had nothing to do.
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There are no real terrorists but like the federal marshal said last year in the case
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of airports, a little kid taking a picture with a camera, they're on the terror list
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for life.
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Anything order a different meal on the plane, terror list for life.
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They said this is wrong but we have to show there's a terror threat.
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So these guys don't like the fact you're handing videos out in town.
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Have you handed a lot out?
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Yes.
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How many?
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I don't know.
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Ballpark.
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Ballpark.
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Four?
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Round 300.
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400.
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Well the answer is you just hand out even more.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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That's a good answer.
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It's not that we used kind of a sales pitch a little bit.
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I don't know man.
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I don't feel like it's good to reinforce people's paranoia like that.
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I mean.
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I feel like that's very unhealthy.
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The FBI did absolutely entrap people into terrorism, but wasn't black bagging white
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people.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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I don't know if you know anything about the FBI.
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Long history.
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Oh they've done so much shit, terrible things, but they wouldn't waste their time breaking
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into someone's house to scratch Alex Jones DVDs.
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No in Abilene?
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Absolutely they would.
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It seems like such a waste.
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They're so easy to get you could just burn another copy from the freely available internet
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source of them.
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So there's that.
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So now you've got that.
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What you.
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Aha.
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You actually just wind up getting another Encarta CD.
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We have wasted two hours of this old dude's time.
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Aha.
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Victory for the feds.
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What?
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I don't understand.
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I don't understand any of this.
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There's such a benign explanation that his dog just fucking scratched them or something.
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There's a hundred different explanations and I like that this is where his mind goes first.
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It's so disgraceful that he's just like, yeah, probably the feds broke into your house and
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what you need to do is become even more radicalized to my team.
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Sounds right.
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I mean, it's good if we did stuff like that, it would be like, our numbers would be much
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better than they are now.
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But well, to any of our wonks out there, think of anything that's unusual.
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You get a weird phone call.
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Alex Jones did it.
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Yep.
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Now you're sounding like his ex-wife.
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So we have one more clip here.
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Alex wants to make you scared about how the military doesn't exist anymore.
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Uh.
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Oh, what?
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And all the Spreed Accord, George Washington, all of it, it's all gone.
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It's all over.
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Just like when Hitler took over the military.
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I'm sorry.
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Are the individual troops bad?
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No.
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But all this brainwashing and we've got to worship what they do.
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That's getting you ready for them here in the United States and that's on record now.
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I'll get to all your calls tomorrow.
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We're just flat out of time.
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This is part of the show.
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I cover how they're going to ration health care.
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This is so incredible.
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This isn't Republicans claiming this.
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This is the Democrats saying it.
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But before we go any further, gold is still at the nine 20 level.
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Cool.
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Didn't see that one coming.
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Didn't?
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I didn't see that in 2009, man, he didn't have that kind of skill level.
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That was pretty solid.
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It is.
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That was a harsh turn.
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That was good.
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That was good.
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That's why it's 2009 style is that like it's not smooth now, you know, like he will give
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you whiplash in the present day, but it'll be like, oh, yeah, I didn't see that coming.
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You caught me off guard.
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You caught me unawares, but I liked it.
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I was like, eh, I'm lulled into a false sense of security by 2009.
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Yeah.
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I'm, I'm thinking we're still in a, such a larval stage of his ad pivots.
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That one sounded real tight.
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Yeah.
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It was pretty good.
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And again, this is the, again, the primordial ooze from which the modern day ad pivots will
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eventually come.
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So Jordan, over this, this course, the thing that I think is the most important is that
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one of Alex Jones's pillars in his Oklahoma City narrative is bullshit.
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And as we go on and he says more specifics, I'll find out what bullshit those are.
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But also beyond that, this narrative of the states are declaring their sovereignty is
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very relevant to modern day stuff because sovereignty is what he has a boner for now.
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It's very relevant that he's only really using that as a, as an interstitial way to set the
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table to make propaganda if an attack happens in one of those states.
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And it's clear because he's not, he never is dealing with the fact that all of those
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resolutions are the same.
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All of those House resolutions that are put in by all these states are the same and they're
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coming from the same people.
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They are a coordinated group of quote unquote patriot weirdos who are doing this.
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He's not, he's trying to present it as like, it's burgeoning up in all of these states.
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And that's not the case at all.
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And he's also not dealing with the fact that in the same way that he doesn't address that
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those FEMA camp bills that he makes people so scared of aren't real and they'd never
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made it out of committee.
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Most of these don't make it out of committee and most of the time people are like, we don't
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have to make a resolution that the law is the law.
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We're not scared that a black guy is the president.
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And that's really what's driving the other half of this.
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And it's, I mean, it's terrible.
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This is just a, this is just a terrible state of affairs.
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Yeah.
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Um, so we should wrap this up just so ironic.
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It is a never ending source of irony for me that immediately after Obama got elected,
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the conservative media went hard into him turning into a tyrant, putting people in camps,
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doing all of this shit.
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And then at their first opportunity, they elect a guy who does all the shit that they
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thought Obama was going to do.
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I'm really glad you brought that up because that's a good cliffhanger for our episode
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that will come out tomorrow.
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We are doing an episode that will come out Tuesday as an emergency.
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Oh no.
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No.
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Are we going back to the present day?
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Nope.
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Okay.
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Thank God.
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Still in the past, but that is a cliffhanger to consider what you just said.
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Cliffhanger.
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Yeah.
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We're bad at this.
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All right.
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So we're going to get out of here and it's my turn.
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Yes, it is.
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And there's no way that I would end this episode in any other way than saying former
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Oklahoma representative Charles Key.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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