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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Demon Feast!
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Ooooh, right out the gate, changing things up!
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I figured it was going to be a race for one of us to say it, so I might as well get to it real fast.
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Yeah, you defeated me there. That was well done. I got snook attacked on, yeah, I know.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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Hi, I'm Jordan!
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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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And I would like to start the show by apologizing for not knowing that that was,
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or not recognizing that it was Chuck Mangione, the king of the flugelhorn.
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Yes, we were both very...
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Brownly shamed.
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I mostly only know Chuck Mangione from the Children of Sanchez soundtrack.
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Right, right, right.
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So I did not recognize Feel So Good, and that's on me.
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Anyway.
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It's a great song, no argument there.
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Sure.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Quick question.
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Jordan.
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What's your Bright Spot today?
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My Bright Spot today, I'm going to loop back to the Eco Challenge show that I was watching,
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because I was thinking about it, I finished it, and I realized what I liked so much about it,
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as a structure, it was all inspirational.
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It was all positive.
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Everything about it was people trying their hardest,
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with people they cared about, and trying to finish.
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Like the first half of the show had kind of a focus on what team was going to come in first,
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and that was like pretty, you know, something to be proud of.
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Sure, sure.
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But then, even after the winner, everyone was still just as excited about like,
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are these people going to finish?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And just like, everybody, everybody, just, there's, goodness!
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No, it's fantastic.
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You know, and I think that there's so many shows that are about kicking people, or like,
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you know, being sort of, there's a schadenfreude aspect to them,
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and it just, it was devoid of any of that.
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Whenever somebody had to quit, or got hurt, it was a tragedy.
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Yeah.
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When people pushed through and tried as hard as they could, but still didn't make the cut off,
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they were congratulated for never quitting.
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Right, of course, of course.
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It's just great.
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Yeah.
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Made me feel very, very warm.
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Yeah, there was a, we watched a documentary of my partner and I on,
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about this woman who was running the Iditarod for like 20 years,
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and she just could not get further, you know?
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She was, she was really good, she cared a lot,
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and then all of a sudden she starts coming in second, second, second, over and over and over again.
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Brutal.
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She's like helping people, she could have won like twice,
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but instead somebody got trapped behind her and she was like,
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I'm gonna go save him, you know?
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Like it was that kind of shit, and you're like,
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it's not about winning, man!
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It's about this lady!
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That's great.
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Yeah, that's what it's about!
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Yeah, even with this, this eco challenge,
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there's like a lot of people who are old-time adventure racers who are like, past their prime.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And just seeing them just, like, muttly and...
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It's great, it's great.
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Anyway, I recommend it.
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Yes.
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It's the final table of outdoor racing to dig real deep.
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No, I wonder why there wasn't a second season of that.
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Could have been the absurd production values?
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Maybe, maybe.
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A little on the pricey side for a cooking show.
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Overhead was high.
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Overhead was high!
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Yeah.
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So what about you?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot, I'm gonna follow up a few months...
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Not a few months ago, a few weeks ago,
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I had said that we were starting to eat healthy and do this meal thing and all that stuff.
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I have lost five pounds.
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Wow.
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Yeah!
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All right.
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That's nuts!
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Yeah, it's also nuts because I'm the one who needs to lose five pounds.
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You're plenty thin.
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I know, my partner is very frustrated with me and I realized what happened.
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You need to build.
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You need gains, bro.
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It's not about eating healthy for me.
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It's that the food tastes fine, so when I'm done, I'm done.
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I used to order out all the time and I like the taste, so I just kept eating it.
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And now it's not that good.
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It's not terrible.
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Some of it tastes okay.
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Yeah, but you want to serve it.
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Exactly.
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I want one and then I'm out.
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Yeah, you're full enough.
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It's crazy how people just eat like that.
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It's not like a giant thing of mac and cheese.
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No!
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Yeah, I don't need it.
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It works.
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Well, congratulations.
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Thanks.
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I don't know how much congratulations.
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I think it's more of my bright spot just because it's very weird.
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I'm, you know, not like bragging.
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Sure.
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It's weird.
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Sure, but I think that maybe having a different relationship with eating that's
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not like you hurting yourself is maybe positive.
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It's way better.
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I haven't beaten myself with a bag of Cheetos for a while yet.
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Well, hooray.
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So, Jordan, today we have an episode from the past.
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Yay!
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We're going back to 2003 because, quite frankly, I was in a situation where I've got some side
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projects I'm working on, which we'll talk about eventually, but also like on Monday's
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episode, Alex was talking about advice about maybe you should kill your family.
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Right, right.
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I don't know what is more time out worthy than that.
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That was one of the most fucked up things imaginable.
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And actually, I went back when I was editing the episode and I looked up that story that
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you mentioned about the guy who killed his brother and his brother's wife, and it was
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shockingly very similar to that.
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I was a little bit disappointed that I didn't pick up those pieces as clearly in preparation
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of the episode, but it did seem like that was kind of what he was touching on a little
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bit.
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Yeah.
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And there's a weird feeling that I have, and that it's partially that whenever Alex
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says he's going to eat his neighbors, a million views on Twitter.
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Right, right, right, right, right.
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When he's like, maybe it's time for you to think about killing your family if they
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like vaccines.
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Yeah.
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I didn't see that go viral.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I didn't see anybody point that out.
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It is fascinating.
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I didn't even see him saying, it's a demon feast, go viral.
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That could have.
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That is a real bummer that he exists in that space where people love to infantilize him
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as being, oh, he's the guy who says crazy stuff like eat your neighbors.
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But then it goes, and there's really only a tiny difference in tone of voice between
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it's time to eat your neighbors and it's time to kill your family.
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It's the tiniest difference.
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Yeah, I think there's also a difference between being like, hey, if my family's starving,
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I will cook and eat my neighbors.
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And hey, maybe it's time to think about, hey, look, I don't judge what families do.
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It's a family affair.
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You might have to kill your family if they like vaccines.
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Well, I mean, what if you're really hungry?
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You might have to eat your family too.
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Oh, that's true.
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There's always a loophole in the, oh boy.
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I will say that sometimes it gets disheartening.
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Yeah.
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And I'll push through that and we'll get back to the present day on Monday.
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Sure.
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I was just like, I don't, I can't, I can't imagine something worse than this.
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And I can't imagine how mad I would be if there is something that's worse than no one
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is like dealing with it seriously.
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No, all forced contrarianism aside, that's really fucked up and I'm glad we're not in
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the press.
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And so Jordan, like I said, we're in the past and we will get down to business on that.
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But first let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, this is just a theme, I guess.
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Farting for my life in a demon feast.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Next, Martin, year 11 is the policy wonk anniversary.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Martin.
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Yeah.
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And that's great because I do think that we should try and brand one anniversary as the
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policy wonk.
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Policy wonk anniversary?
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So on your, I mean, look, the suggestion is 11.
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Right.
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On your 11th anniversary now you have to annoy your partner with really in-depth things about
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tax code or healthcare law.
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Yeah, I don't think we could pull off 666 as the wonk anniversary.
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No one lives that long.
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I don't think that would be, I mean, not yet.
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Sure.
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Once we get these life extension technologies, then we'll see.
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You know what?
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We got to do it now.
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We got to control it now before it happens.
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Right.
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I usually am not in favor of some of your ideas.
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This one I'm all about preemptively.
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The 666th anniversary is the one anniversary.
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Yes.
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It is law.
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Yeah.
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Next, Kevin.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Kevin.
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Next, Jeff.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jeff.
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Hey, we had a technocrat out there.
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So what's up?
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Extra saucy.
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Mike, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why are you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you all.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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Now, Jordan, the 23rd of June, 2003 is what we're going over.
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OK.
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And I will admit, I wasted a bit of my time
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listening to the episode prior to this, the 20th.
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Oh, the 20th.
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OK.
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Because that was over the weekend.
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Gotcha.
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It's a repeat, and I didn't realize it for a while.
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That's fair.
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Not fair.
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Doesn't speak highly of some of his broadcasts in 2003.
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Yeah.
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It took me a second, and then I'm like, wait,
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why are you defending yourself about being drunk on a boat
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yelling at people?
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I remember this.
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I was like, you're not doing the exact same conversation again.
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I know.
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You cut your hand to people who started the conspiracy about it.
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So there's not a ton that's going to be all that interesting
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for us to go into here.
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But there's a couple of points that I found very illuminating.
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OK.
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And I'm excited to get into that.
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But first, here's an out of context drop that will come in
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very handy in the future.
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You're a traitor, Dan.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, man.
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God damn it.
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Come on, Alex.
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This is going to round out our zoo crew fucking thing forever.
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Because now we've got a negative.
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We've got a positive.
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I know.
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We've got it.
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We don't even need us anymore.
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Let's be real.
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No.
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Alex, you're really dumb.
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You're a traitor, Dan.
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Come on.
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See what I'm saying?
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Come on, Alex.
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This is terrible.
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Who do you think you're talking to?
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No, no, no, no.
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We're not doing Bonville.
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We're not doing this.
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We're not doing this.
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We're not doing this.
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Shut it down.
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All right.
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Fine.
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So here we go.
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We're going to start on the beginning of this year, June
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23 episode.
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And this clip, I think, is really illustrative of why
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it's dumb to try and talk to someone like Alex.
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Or try and correct him.
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Because I think that you're never
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going to really get through.
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He's talking about the Charles Sell Supreme Court decision.
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Right.
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And we've talked about that quite a bit in our 2003
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episodes so far.
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Here's his take on people who try and correct
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him about the ruling.
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Last Monday, the Supreme Court ruled they can grab you
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for any reason, forcibly drug you,
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and that it gives them total police state power.
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Now, most of the headlines I saw in the newspapers
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and what I saw on television said
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that, oh, the Supreme Court has moved
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to restrict force drugging of individuals for trial.
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I read the ruling.
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It said as long as there's not a great chance
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the medication will kill you, they can do it.
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So they have to fill out a little form
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and dot an I and cross a T. Takes about 60 seconds,
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literally.
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And that's it.
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They just got to have a prison.
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Doctors say this drug's fine.
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And it happens.
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But the average person's emailing me going, Alex,
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I heard your show.
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You said that the Supreme Court said they can force drug.
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That's not true.
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Well, I'm sorry for folks out there
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that don't know how to read federal rulings
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or even read deeper into the articles themselves.
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But the headline may say they restricted force drugging.
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But the meat of the articles and the ruling
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shows that they basically made it unlimited.
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No, that's not true at all.
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These random people who are emailing
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Alex are absolutely correct.
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But what's fascinating about this is at least in 2003,
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Alex seems to have an awareness of this distinction
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between a headline and body of article.
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Yeah.
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That distinction is gone in his present day awareness.
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Yeah, him saying that you need to read beyond the headline
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made me want to start barking viscerally.
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Well, it's insulting.
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It's very offensive.
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Yeah.
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How dare you?
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Have you no decency, sir?
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Not cool.
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Yes.
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Um, yeah.
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I think that these people who are emailing him are correct.
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And he's just, you can give him exactly the right information.
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Yeah.
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And he'll just be like, no, you need to read deeper.
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What you don't understand is how to read these documents.
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They actually mean the opposite of what they say.
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Yeah.
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If somebody is telling you you're not reading something
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right because you're engaging with what it says.
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Right.
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Then you are, what do you say?
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Right.
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You have to then go to first principles.
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Right.
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Do we agree that A means A?
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Is this even a book?
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What are we talking about here?
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Are we talking about a book that you've written
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in the margins of the book I'm reading?
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It's a fundamental disagreement about what you can get,
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how information is taken from source to receiver of information.
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No, no, no, no.
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It's what the documents don't say.
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Okay, well then leave me alone forever.
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Yeah, good.
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Do info jazz.
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Yeah.
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I don't care.
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Do that over there, but don't fucking pretend.
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No.
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Don't pretend that's anything other than an art form.
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Right.
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It's about the notes you don't play, baby.
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So Alex has a big story on this day.
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And this is fascinating to me.
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This is a huge problem for Alex.
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And he is on the exact wrong side of this issue.
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Of course he is.
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Based on his political principles.
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Naturally.
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Wayne Jeffrey, a seven-year veteran of the Fall River Force,
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was fired May 29th after an internal investigation prompted
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by a unsigned letter that claimed he smoked tobacco at a party.
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Oh, wow.
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Now unsigned letters.
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You lose your job.
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A 1988 state law that police officers and firefighters is subject
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to immediate termination if they are found to be using tobacco products
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either on or off duty.
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Really?
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And it goes on.
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It's our policy to investigate any accusation.
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Thoroughly, regardless of the source,
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Police Chief John Solza told Fall River News Herald.
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The statute, as written, provides us no room for discretion.
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Oh, so see, now a fifth grader draws a picture of his father,
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who's an army captain in Iraq.
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This just happened a month ago.
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He draws a picture of his father, the captain, with an M-16 during art class.
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Police were called.
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He was detained and expelled for the year.
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I don't know about this art school story, art class story.
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Whoa, this art class story got out of hand real quick.
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It did.
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But this story is really interesting about this guy, Wayne Jeffrey,
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who was a police officer in Falls River.
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Right.
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Um, and so look, Alex is trying to present this as a police state kind of thing.
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There's a zero tolerance for all this stuff.
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You just get jammed up.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And I don't know what the art thing,
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like exactly how it relates to the police guy getting fired for smoking.
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That's obfuscation.
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The Fall River Police Department has a zero tolerance policy on smoking among officers,
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whether they're on or off duty for a very specific reason.
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I wonder if you can guess it.
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Like, could you, can you workshop in your brain why that might be the case?
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I don't know, because in Falls, they're the only cops who carry around hand grenades at all times.
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Yes.
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They all have cartoons, TNT, sticks of dynamite.
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Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
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It's because they don't want to allow for any insurance claims that present things like smoking
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linked heart or lung cancer as being work related.
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So if you're disallowed from smoking at work and you have one of those conditions,
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they don't have to pay out in the insurance.
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You're right, I should have assumed capitalism was the problem.
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I should have immediately assumed, oh, somebody needs money somewhere along the line.
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Yeah, this is a fun case where Alex and I are both against this thing,
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but for completely different reasons.
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I'm opposed to the rule because they can, they clearly don't care if someone smokes or not.
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They're just trying to, you know, save money by not having to pay some cop's health care.
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Right.
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Alex is opposed to it because he's created a fake version of the story to present,
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you know, it's just yet another example of the New World Order taking over.
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It's, it's a, it's a human resources issue.
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Jesus. That's so fucking annoying.
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Yeah.
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Every, oh, I can't, but I, oh, come on, man.
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Is there nowhere? Is there nowhere?
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It's wild.
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So anyway, Alex seems to think this, this bizarre notion that in this case,
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the cop should have to go on trial.
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I'm sorry, what now?
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Yeah, it's, it's nuts.
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The cops should have to go.
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Okay.
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Why don't we do other officers have been fired since the law went into effect,
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but Jeffrey's case was the first base on an anonymous tip.
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I don't think they drafted this law.
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They intended it to be used in this manner.
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Jeffrey said to the Boston Herald, if you're charged with a crime,
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you get to face your accuser.
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I never got to face my accuser.
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Well, sorry, Jeffrey.
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Under Patriot Act, they can arrest Alex Jones and my wife wonders where I am 20 years later
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when they find me in a shallow grave,
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give the feds don't take the time to put me in a meat grinder or a vat of acid.
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That has nothing to do with this.
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Do the feds put people in vats of acid?
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Whether they do or not is irrelevant.
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This is a human resources issue.
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I'm not allowed to face my accuser.
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Sir, sir, you just, you just don't work for us anymore.
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Nobody's, nobody's putting you in jail.
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Right.
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I got in trouble back when I used to work at a subway because one of my coworkers saw
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me eating a meatball and snitched.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I did not have a chance to face my accuser.
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Yeah.
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Before I got sent home for the shift, but told you're done for the day.
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Get out of here.
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Stop eating the meatballs.
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I did not get you should have had a trial.
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How dare they is just, are you going to assume that you've eaten the meatball?
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It could have been anybody.
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You can't trust that eyewitness account, right?
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Dirty snitch.
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You could bring in, it's been proven that eyewitness accounts are easily adjustable.
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You know, like, yeah, this is bullshit.
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Also, I got a tip, uh, uh, like very good source, uh, that this guy who had snitched
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on me was on the management's payroll.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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That's two vaudevilles.
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That's two vaudevilles.
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So Alex is like legitimately convinced that somehow this smoking of the, that the cop
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did is a crime that he needs to have due process for.
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Right.
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It's so ridiculous.
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I like it.
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Now I've got all this earth shattering news of incredible import, but I decided to start
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the show today with the cop being fired.
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The veteran police officer, an anonymous letter said someone saw him smoking at a party tobacco.
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And, uh, they say zero tolerance.
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When we don't need to have witnesses, we don't need to know who the person is.
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They just said, you did it.
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And that's the end of it.
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See anonymous, this is how it works now.
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And the cop says, wait, I'm guilty.
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I, I have due process.
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You have to tell me, you know, who said this or you have to have a trial and they go, no,
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we don't.
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We don't have to do anything because this is the new world order.
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Cause it's the cops.
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There's no right to due process based on employment.
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This is a completely silly thing that Alex is claiming.
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Although maybe it's not the worst idea in the world.
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Maybe it would be good to get rid of at will employment where workers are seen as disposable
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commodities that can be replaced in a second.
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Maybe we should replace that with a system where a company wants to fire somebody.
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They have to prove their case in court.
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You don't think that Alex would appreciate, I think you're going,
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Hmm.
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That seems to be what he's saying.
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No, I know that's what he's saying, but I don't think he's saying that.
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I think that Alex would totally be in favor of this considering how huge an infringement
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that would be on a business's ability to operate within the mythical free market.
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And considering how many big government processes would need to be put in place to make sure
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businesses adhere to this and gave their employees a fair day in court if they wanted to fire
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them.
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Ooh, God damn, Alex versus Millie Weaver in court on the gate of gates.
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Oh, I want it.
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I want it.
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I want that deposition real bad.
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In the case of Alex Jones versus David Knight for firing, Alex calls Steve Pechenik.
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Our star witness, Steve Pechenik.
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Yeah, nonsense.
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It's a human resources issue.
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This is so dumb.
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If the cop feels that he was fired wrongfully, like he was wrongfully terminated, then he
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can sue.
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And then at that point, the court can decide whether or not it is valid for him to be fired
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for smoking when there is a statute that says you can be fired for smoking.
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You can challenge that statute eventually, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether
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or not the person who snitched on you smoking was anonymous or not.
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Like, you don't have due process.
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You don't have to face your accuser.
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You're not innocent until proven guilty.
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None of this matters.
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I mean, also, he's making it sound like there was an anonymous tip and they went to the
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cop and they were like, man, somebody said you've been smoking.
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And he's like, no, I've never smoked before in my life.
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And they, like, pulled his jacket open and pulled out a pack of Marlboros.
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And they're like, ha, we got him.
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Put it in the evidence locker, cuffed him behind his back and escorted him out of the
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building.
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It was just like, hey, man, you can't smoke.
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Goodbye.
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That wasn't hard.
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So he spends a lot of time on this story.
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And I just think that there's a fundamental problem with it, that if he spent a tiny bit
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of time thinking about what the issue he's mad about is, he'd realize that this flies
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completely in the face of every weirdo conservative idea he has.
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It is funny.
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The idea that if this one thing, like, if he got his one wish on this, the unintended
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consequences would tear down his entire house of cards and police systems.
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Like, if he accidentally got one wish, like a genie just popped in, hey, today I'm going
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to grant whatever the first thing you say on your show is, this would be the accidental
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labor revolution that we've all been waiting for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I mean, look, I think that some modicum of this is probably could be good, but I think
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that if you had to have a court case for everybody you fire, I don't think that's productive.
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I don't necessarily think that might be productive.
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I think what Alex is advocating for accidentally is actually too far.
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I don't know.
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Maybe if it was that much of a hassle to fire somebody, we'd just be trained better and
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treated well.
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Maybe, maybe.
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I used to manage a theater, and if I had to go to court every time I wanted to fire one
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of these kids, it would have been a pain in the ass.
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That would have been fun.
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So Alex spends a good bit of time on this, and I was starting to feel like maybe this
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is going to be what the whole show is about.
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Maybe I'm getting a little bit, I feel like I'm walking through some mud, and then this
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happened, and I saw the light, the sun coming out from behind the clouds.
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I was like, yes.
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We talk about stuff that actually affects you and your family on this show, but I will
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say this.
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There's been a over a million Harry Potter books sold.
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Here we go.
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Let's do it.
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And we also now have Hillary selling around a half a million books.
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I mean, who really cares, folks?
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Well, I'll say this.
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I didn't spend much time on Harry Potter last week.
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I just said, look, the difference between Harry Potter and JRR Tolkien's Lord of the
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Rings is in Lord of the Rings, it doesn't teach you how to perform magic.
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It's just following the different levels of a Wiccan cult.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, man.
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That's great.
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Difference between Tolkien and Harry Potter is that Tolkien wasn't a reference book for
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magic.
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If the Harry Potter books actually taught people how to do magic, we would have a huge
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problem on our hands.
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Society would be untenable.
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Okay, let's just stop there.
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You know how many magic kids there would be?
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Before we go any further, this show couldn't happen because every five seconds I'd just
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be like, Expelliarmus, and knock the fucking microphone out of your hand just for the joy
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of it.
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I wouldn't exist because I've called people who like Harry Potter books dorks.
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Yeah, you'd be gone.
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I'd be gone.
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You'd be gone.
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I'd be in a cornfield somewhere.
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Terrible.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I do like this because actually what Alex is saying is I'm old.
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Yes.
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My generation's version of sci-fi is better.
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I don't understand things that the young kids like.
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The fantasy that appealed to my child imagination is different than this generation's.
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And that alienates me from the pop culture.
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And I feel sad about this.
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Why don't young people like the things that I like?
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Hey, guess what?
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They do.
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Oh, no.
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A lot of them do.
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No, they like Harry Potter.
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No, I'm disconnected.
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They like Lord of the Rings because it's safer.
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It doesn't teach you.
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I mean, you know, to a certain extent, I guess I agree with the point.
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Well, I mean, think about it.
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In Lord of the Rings, you need the ring in order to do all the...
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You absolutely do not need the ring to do magic.
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How dare you?
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How dare you?
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There's wizards.
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What are you talking about?
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The main character dies and come back to life through magic.
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Wait.
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Gandalf.
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Oh, yeah.
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I didn't consider him the main character.
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Well, I mean, he's the only one.
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Tom Bombadil.
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Tom Bombadil is the main character.
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You're right.
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That's what a bunch of dorks have told me.
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Hey, doll, dairy doll, ring dongadillo, Dan.
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Do you like Dune?
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I do like Dune.
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No, I mean, did you like the movie?
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I loved it.
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It's great.
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It's fantastic.
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So one of the great things about Dune is it doesn't teach you how to do magic.
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Actually, I believe the David Lynch version does teach you that if you yell loud enough,
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you can explode stuff.
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Oh, that's good to know.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has read two Harry Potter books.
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Which ones?
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Up to this point, there's five.
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The fifth one just got released right in this 2003 range.
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House of Secrets.
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No, no.
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House of Lots.
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House of Cards.
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House of Cards.
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So yeah, Alex has read two, and here's what he thinks about it.
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He's wrong.
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I've read two of the Harry Potter books, and it is classical occult training.
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And I've got one big piece of evidence to share without spending a bunch of time on it.
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And they released the Harry Potter book on the eve of the summer solstice, the high holy
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point for occult practitioners.
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Wow.
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Which ones?
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The ones in Harry Potter?
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I thought he was talking about the first one, because wouldn't it be like the bringing about
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the...
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It would have to be the first one was on the solstice.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That would have to be the thing.
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So that one, the Philosopher's Stone, was released in 1997.
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Uh-huh. The summer solstice was June 21st in 1997.
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And Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone came out on June 26th.
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I don't know how close you have to be to the solstice for it to be a conspiracy, but I
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guess five days is good enough.
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Yeah, I mean, there's a grace period, yeah.
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Sure.
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Nobody expects like, on the day, you know, you get like a, you know, there's a three
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day late fee, there's a five day grace period.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like paying rent.
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But I like that that's the big piece of evidence.
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Oh, that's the hugest piece.
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It was released on the solstice.
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I don't know, maybe if you, maybe if you learned how to speak Elvish in Tolkien, you'd be able
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to do magic.
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Maybe Alex just sucks at reading Elvish.
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It wouldn't be the only language.
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Yeah.
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There's more...
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Well done.
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Thanks.
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There's more evidence just than with this one book came out on the solstice.
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And they released the other books on other high days, the winter solstice and on the
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summer solstice.
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The second book, Chamber of Secrets, came out on July 2nd, 1998, which was not a solstice.
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The third book, The Prisoner of Azkaban, came out on July 8th, 1999.
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Starring Gary Oldman, rest in peace.
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The fourth book, The Goblet of Fire, came out on July 8th, 2020.
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And the fifth book, The Order of the Phoenix, which had just come out on July, I'm sorry,
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June 21st, 2003.
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That was a summer solstice.
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Hey, there we go.
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We finally found one.
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We got it.
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On the fifth book.
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I think that...
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That's the new Bible on the fifth book that JK Rowling rested.
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Here is how you create a grand conspiracy.
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Okay.
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You release four books and then on the fifth one release on the solstice.
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That'll trick them.
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They'll never see it coming.
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Just have a bunch of other, like, summer release dates when, you know, maybe kids are getting
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out of school and they'd have plenty of free time if they wouldn't have to read books for
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school and maybe it would go on summer reading lists that parents would be more apt to buy
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bulk of them.
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Is he mad also at, like, the Tempest?
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Like, at what point...
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What magic is fine and what magic is not fine?
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You know, like, are we...
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Is he mad at Macbeth?
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Because, I'm sorry, I can't say that in here, obviously.
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We're not on stage.
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Yeah, like, because they...
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Oh, see, if you rhyme while stirring.
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Yeah, yeah, then you can do magic.
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Macbeth taught children how to do magic.
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I mean, it's the script for the magical ritual is right there.
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Everybody knows it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I wonder if the Harry Potter thing is Alex just hates education so much.
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It's a school.
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Even books about school make him furious.
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I wonder if that's it.
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Like, he actually thinks that, like, well, if you read this,
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it's kind of like going to Hogwarts, you know?
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You know who my favorite character in fiction is?
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Samwise, because he clearly never had an education.
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He didn't do shit.
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He didn't think about shit.
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I would love it if, like, you just got to sit and talk with Alex and it turned out that
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he, like, just got a little bit drunk one night, was leafing through the Harry Potter book,
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and he came to the sorting hat and he got so scared.
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He had nightmares.
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You can see in my thoughts.
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No.
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He had nightmares about the sorting hat.
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I think I'm Slytherin.
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I think I'm Slytherin.
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Oh, no.
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I can't get it out of my head.
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I think I'm Slytherin.
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They say, I want to be Gryffindor.
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I'm supposed to be courageous, but I think I'm Slytherin.
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I got to kill that hat.
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Oh, I'm going to kill that fucking hat.
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No one will ever know.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, just sort of looking at this and then recognizing that nowadays Alex is
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probably pretty into JK Rowling.
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I love TERFs.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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The thing that's different about Tolkien and Harry Potter is that Harry Potter taught
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people how to be more racist.
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I do think that there's something of a fun, you know, like, hey, this is teaching kids
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how to do evil magic.
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And, you know, 18 years later, I'll defend the transphobia of the author who was teaching
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kids how to do magic.
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Man, unreal.
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Yep.
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So it's not the only thing that's demonic, though.
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You know, Harry Potter is pretty demonic.
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But I was I mean, you know the story.
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But when I was when I was 10 years old or when I was 11, when the first book came out,
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my church got a hold of it and they gave it to me.
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They were like, read this to see if there's any real magic in it.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Like, is this okay to give to children or is this demonic?
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I guess so.
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It's like, yeah, this sounds so familiar to me.
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That's fun.
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I do remember hearing about that.
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Like, I know I remember hearing stuff about people who had that.
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I never experienced that, like, firsthand.
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I think by the time those books were coming out, I feel like my mom was even reading them.
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Yeah.
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You know, like, I feel like that extremism didn't touch our sort of religious community.
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I will never forget this because it was a weird moment of both, like,
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growth and insane cognitive dissonance.
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But coming out of the first movie, I went and saw it with my family.
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Right.
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And my dad said, who is super conservative Christian.
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My dad said, like, after the movie, he's like, you know what?
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I liked it.
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I liked it because they solved the problems without using magic.
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That was how they won in the end is not using magic.
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And I was like, and the reason that that's both a good interpretation and insane is
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because he was afraid to see the movie because there would be too much magic in it.
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Sure.
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And it would be evil.
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Yeah.
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So it's like, yeah, okay, dad.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I worked at the movie theater when one of them came out.
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I don't remember which one.
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I think it might have been, like, the third one, maybe second or third.
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And a friend of mine who worked at the theater with me saw it.
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He came out and he's like, don't watch that movie.
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It is so fucking scary.
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It is so scary.
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And I thought, like, well, all right.
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And so I went and I watched it, like, a week later.
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It wasn't scary at all.
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It's like, what the fuck was going on?
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You said it was so scary.
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It's like, oh, I was on shrooms, man.
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Well, then never mind.
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I can see why that might be scary.
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I would like to see that movie.
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Fair enough.
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I will watch that movie.
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So Harry Potter is a bit demonic, but there's other things.
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I mean, turn on the radio, listen to rock and roll, folks.
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And, you know, I'm going to admit it, I listened to it years ago.
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I like it.
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You know, it's got this powerful sound, but I don't listen to it anymore.
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I'm in a much healthier and happier person.
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You listen to it.
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It's half the songs talk about how they're in service to Satan, people.
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You're supposed to just laugh and go, oh, it's just funny.
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It's just for having fun.
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Yeah, look at how these people's lives end.
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So that's all I have to say about Harry Potter.
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Okay, good summation.
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All I have to say about Harry Potter is Keith Moon died.
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Uh huh.
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All right.
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Do you get it?
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Uh huh.
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Do you get it now?
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I do like the idea of Alex being like, I repent of rock and roll.
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He's not that old here.
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This is 2003.
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He's not old enough to be like, I don't listen to rock and roll anymore.
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He was born in 74.
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What are we talking about?
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He's 29.
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Oh my God.
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Go away.
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I don't listen to rock and roll.
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I repent from rock.
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Oh man.
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I stop listening to it.
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I'm a happier and healthier person.
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You just listen to Kris Kristofferson by yourself.
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That's not bad.
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He also sings along with a lot of like pretty demonic leaning rock later in his career.
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Yeah, but we'll leave that aside.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has a guest coming on the show.
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Scott Goldbrinson.
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Uh, Scott Goldbrinson.
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I don't know.
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Alex mispronounces it like 30 times.
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Great.
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And he calls himself out for it and they have a nice moment of like, ah, it's fine.
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But anyway, he's going to have this guy on and, uh, in the preface of talking about how
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he's going to have him on, he points out that he disagrees with him.
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Okay.
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Again, we do have a guest coming up, the author of the silent invasion
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in the next hour.
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And we'll get into how our government's bringing in foreign troops.
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Of course, the author is basically saying that they're all here and the government doesn't
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know about it or mobile.
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No, it's official.
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They're, they're sanctioning and they're setting it up.
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I got pumped when I heard this because I was like, okay, so you're going to have two people
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who are both arguing that foreign troops are being brought into the United States and they're
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going to argue about whether or not the government is behind it.
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Right, right, right, right.
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This doesn't happen.
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This, this does not pay off at all.
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It doesn't?
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They don't argue.
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They just talk about how foreign troops are coming.
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They're going to, I know it was, it was like a balloon deflating.
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Yeah, that's, that's like a Marvel versus DC argument, you know, in terms of Mysoreality
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is better than yours.
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Yeah.
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And then in the end you don't really even argue about them.
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You're just like, they're both pretty good.
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Hey, comics are great.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know what's great?
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Cartoons.
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I like people who draw.
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Let's do that.
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So, uh, Alex is, uh, not too surprisingly opposed to affirmative action.
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Oh, not surprising.
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Uh, right around this point in 2003, there were two Supreme Court decisions that were
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regarding affirmative action, um, and especially regarding school admissions process.
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Right.
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And these two cases, essentially, if you took both of them together, what they, the conclusion
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that they came to was that having a point system or anything where like, if just by
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virtue of being of a minority group, you got a point, uh, or if there were quotas, that's
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unconstitutional.
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Right.
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Schools can't do that.
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Right.
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But having some consideration about the diversity and the makeup of your university in terms
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of admissions processes narrowly is okay.
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Yeah.
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That is not something that is considered unconstitutional.
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Sure.
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So Alex has a bit of a weird take on all this, and here's what he's got to say.
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I mean, I think it's wrong if you've got a white student who's got a 98 and a black
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student who's got a 95 and they give it to the black student.
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But let's be honest, there's an even bigger form of discrimination in the good old boy
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network for bureaucrats and elected officials, children, and people like George Bush, who
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had a failing grade, but got into Princeton, got into Yale, excuse me.
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So we see this over and over again.
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So, you know, it's not just the minorities that get preferential treatment.
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Let's be honest about that.
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But Supreme Court did rule that with the undergrads, they can not overstep people who have better
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test scores.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
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That happened because of extreme pressure.
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But it's funny how they always get you to focus in on what the minorities are doing
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and what they're getting, but never on how the fat cats get the real preferential treatment.
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So there's a lot of different forms of affirmative action going on out there.
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That's what we do on the show is we show you different sides of the equation.
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Showed me a side there for sure, a certain side.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah, so I think that that appeals to some people, rightly, in as much as there are these
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fat cats and the legacy folk who are getting all this shit handed to them on a silver platter.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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I think that there's fair criticisms about that.
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And I think that some people might hear a clip like that and get tricked by that being
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very appropriate and fine.
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And then accidentally agree with him being like, these minorities are also getting all
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of our shit.
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Yeah, that's kind of amazing.
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You know who is exactly like big fat cats?
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The people that are crushed underneath big fat cats' boots at all times.
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Yeah, yeah, what Alex is saying is basically that there is this sort of three tiers.
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There's the fat cats, the minorities, and then the whites.
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And then the whites.
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I can't believe, I can't believe that it got to this.
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Yeah, that's essentially what's behind the argument that he's making.
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I think that it's pretty easy to miss that if you're just listening and you're like,
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you know what, yeah, fuck that.
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The fat cats are, that is the real kind of affirmative action.
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It is the real kind of affirmative action.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You could hear that and not realize that you're internalizing a fairly racist perspective
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along with it.
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Yeah.
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And that sucks.
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Fairly racist or super racist?
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Sometimes I'm very generous with how I see it.
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So Alex takes a call and this guy, his dad, he's a doubting Thomas.
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He's the sort that would see the holes in Alex's hand metaphorically.
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The hole would be Alex's documentary about Bohemian Grove.
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Sure.
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And then this guy, his dad wouldn't believe that Bohemian Grove is all evil and devils.
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Right, right.
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So we're, we're stigmating that if you...
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I went afar afield with that metaphor.
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All right.
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This caller, his dad would be doubtful even if he saw evidence of something and Alex,
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Alex doesn't think that's cool.
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Matt in Arkansas, you're on the air.
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Yes, sir. My dad is a minister and I was telling him about the Bohemian Grove and he told me
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something that kind of shocked me.
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He said, you know what?
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Even if I see it with my own eyes and I have all this documentation and quotes from books
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and I see all this proof, I'm still not going to believe it.
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Pretty sad, huh?
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So your dad basically said that he will believe the lie and take, the Bible says they willingly
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take the delusion and willfully say, I want the lie.
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You know, some argue, some argue, sir, that's the ultimate sin.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you.
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Yeah, that's ultimate sin.
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Some interpretations that willfully knowing something's evil and saying, I don't care.
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I accept it.
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That's, that's, that's, that's it.
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Yeah, that's pretty bad.
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Your dad not believing me about Bohemian Grove's the ultimate sin.
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Some people say that's the ultimate sin.
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And his response to that was, oh, wow.
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Oh, wow.
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Who would have guessed that?
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That some people would think that.
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Pretty sure it's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
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Unforgivable sin.
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Maybe it's not believing Alex.
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I mean, Jesus said it was honor thy father and mother.
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So in this particular circumstance, Alex is 180 degrees away from who is committing the
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ultimate sin here.
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That's not surprising.
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Yeah.
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I would guess that this is a telephone problem where the dad is actually saying, I don't
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find this evidence compelling.
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I think that this is bullshit.
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You can put as much bullshit in front of me as you want.
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Yeah.
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I'm still not going to buy the argument that's being presented because it's bullshit.
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It's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, this caller, it goes off the rails a little bit because he has another question
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to ask Alex.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, no.
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Another question.
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The flatulent tax, you know, with the animals.
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Yes.
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Reuters.
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Yeah.
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Does that have anything to do with, like, the Jewish protocols?
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Because that's what it sounded like to me.
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And I was wondering, what was your thoughts on the Jewish protocols?
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I don't know who wrote that.
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And, sir, I just go with what UNESCO and Kyoto protocols say.
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And it's about a takeover and getting us all into compact cities.
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This is the cover for getting people off the land into the communal farms, basically.
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Man, if you can take a whiff on a softball question like that, that is how you do it.
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Wow.
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That's pretty bad.
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I think that there are some people who don't know a ton.
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Maybe you're a lay person and you might not know about the protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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Right.
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Maybe you don't know about it or maybe you've heard of it and you're like,
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I don't know who wrote that. I have no idea.
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But if you're someone like Alex...
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Where? No.
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A good half-plus of your audience believes that they're real and they are a plan to take over
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Western culture or whatever, you have kind of a responsibility to have a position on it.
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Yeah.
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You kind of have a responsibility to, especially if you're not convinced that they're real,
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to be able to tell this caller, no, this is a forgery. This is not real. It's complete shit.
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You can't just play the game like, I don't know, maybe it's real, maybe it's not.
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I mean, we did an entire episode on it.
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The idea of somebody asking me like,
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do you think that this methane tax to kind of hopefully do something about climate change
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is actually the Jewish protocols trying to kill us all?
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I would be like, listen, you got to use what you need to believe what you believe.
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That's probably irresponsible.
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Hey, look, I don't know.
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Hey, man, they could be, but I'm not saying one way or the other.
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I'm not familiar with what you're talking about.
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You have a responsibility to be familiar with it when you're
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this deep into a career in conspiracy.
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Yeah, especially when your worldview is essentially swapping out Jewish people in
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the pros and cons of the elders of Zion and just putting in whatever I want on a given day.
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And I think also you have a responsibility when you recognize that this person is probably younger.
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You know, he's talking about his dad and like an argument with his dad.
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He sounds young like this isn't this is not
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necessarily a person who's fully formed in a lot of ideas yet.
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Right.
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You're you're just there's a responsibility that's just being dropped.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Disgusting.
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You know what's super weird about this? Sometimes going back in 2003 is on some of these calls,
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you know, you hear a younger voice and you're almost like
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trap or at least I suddenly have this like cut to January, January 6.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like if this dude called 20 years ago, it is entirely possible.
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Like 35, 36.
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And he could be he could have been there.
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Yeah. You know, like how that's crazy that this dude could just call in Alex fucking Jones.
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I mean, that's fucked up.
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Well, actually, I know that this guy wasn't there because he was actually in court over
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firing over termination.
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He was he was trying to that's that's a solid alibi.
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I'll give him that one.
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So Alex gets to this author, the guy who wrote the Silent Invasion.
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And here's here's his intro.
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I just talked to our guest during the break and probably hold him over someone in the
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hour next hour, let him ride shotgun with us.
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So I go to calls earlier in this hour and kind of space out the information.
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He's written a powerful book called The Silent Invasion.
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He's Scott Gulbrenson.
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I'm pronouncing that correctly.
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I always pronounce names wrong, even my own.
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I'm from Texas, folks.
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I'm just joking.
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Ha ha.
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Great joke.
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It's a good joke.
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That's a great joke.
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So Alex and Scott, their big point is that tyranny is here.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you got to face it.
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You got to face it.
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Sometimes even these dudes who do this deep research into stuff.
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Sure.
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Sometimes even they can't believe how bad it is.
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It's so bad.
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It's so bad.
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It's bad.
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We go to urban warfare training operations with the Dutch and British and Israelis and
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Germans, and they admit it's for gun confiscation.
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I've got it on video here domestically.
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It's for America.
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The role players are screaming, I'm an American.
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No, not the camp.
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And now it's come out that they're hiring.
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This is AP Reuters, folks.
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All these former KGB bosses to help run Homeland Security.
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I mean, Scott, this is so crazy.
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I have trouble believing it even as it's happening.
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Did you go through that in researching for this book?
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Oh, absolutely.
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And in fact, I'll be honest.
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I still have days where I don't want to believe it.
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Days where growing up as an American and believing in the ideals that our country was founded
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on, I still to this day just sometimes want it to go away.
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But that only lasts about three minutes.
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And then I realized, no, I can't do that.
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It's happening.
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And I think a lot of people do just put it on their mind and say, no, no, it can't be
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happening.
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That's impossible.
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This is the United States of America.
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This is the beacon of freedom throughout the world or what used to be.
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And so when I was researching the book, yeah, I wanted it to go away.
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It took me a long time to come to grips with the fact that these people were telling the
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truth.
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Yeah, man, he had an eye opening experience that showed him what was crawling under the
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rock.
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You ignore because you see the rock on top.
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You don't see all the bugs underneath and what have you.
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But he looked under there and you can't ignore it once you see it.
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So you kind of would expect that you'd continue his path as a New World Order researcher after
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this point after 2003.
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Yeah, he looked under the rock.
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He can't go back.
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Yeah, you've got to get the word out like Alex has.
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Yeah, you're at the tip of the spear now.
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Yeah, Scott's currently the host of a radio show and podcast about the Las Vegas Raiders,
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the NFL team.
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Well, that's nice.
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It seems like he's been pretty able to go back to.
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I wonder how he feels about the Gruden situation.
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He's not.
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I don't know.
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I think that he seems to have closed his eyes quite well.
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Yeah.
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Oh, no, man.
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So it is really fucked up, though, that DHS is a horrific organization.
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He's right, but there's no KGB.
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There's no hidden shit.
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It's just fucking cops out of control, man.
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That's what it is.
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Yeah, you're right.
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It's just not a good book.
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And sensationalizing it in the way that folks like Alex do does a disservice to legitimate
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criticisms and pointed critiques.
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Just fucked up.
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Yep.
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So they talk about immigration a little bit here, and I think this is bad.
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I have some of these.
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They didn't make it in this book, but they'll be documented in my next book.
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And that's these campaigns that they have all over the world, but also in Mexico, telling
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mothers in Mexico in Spanish language documents, if you're pregnant, you can give better care
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in the United States.
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Go over the border even if you're arrested.
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Because they know that once they cross over the border, the way our system is set up,
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that people can have a child here and the child becomes a citizen of the United States
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and their medical costs are zero.
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But our government wants it because these uneducated, ignorant people that don't know
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about freedom will vote for gun control, vote for bigger government, and it's somebody to
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pay into the social security system.
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So it's elaborate.
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Both parties are involved in it.
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Yes.
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Alex is just like pretty great replacement to even 2003.
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That's wild.
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These dumb people will vote the way the Democrats want them to.
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They've been great replacing us since the beginning.
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Man.
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Yeah, I think that sucks.
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I think that's a horrible perspective that Alex has.
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Yep.
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Ugh.
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They're just, they're bringing in uneducated people because they know they won't learn
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enough to-
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And they don't know about freedom!
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I mean, just, what an insane way to view people.
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I would suggest that if freedom actually does exist in any real sense, everyone inherently
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knows about it.
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Yeah.
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You would sort of just viscerally be able to understand what freedom is.
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Exactly.
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It wouldn't be some kind of elaborate private property document that you need to understand
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in order for freedom to really be captured.
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I don't even need to go to first grade to know that when I'm in first grade I am not
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free.
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I am trapped in school.
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Like, that's, you knew it.
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I also think there's like kind of two perspectives that you can take, and that is if you hear
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that there are people, let's say in Mexico, who are being told that if they're pregnant
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they should risk fleeing to the United States and getting arrested because they'd get better
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healthcare in order to protect their child, you can go down the path of like, look at
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these manipulative fucks, or you can go the other direction and look at it like, wow,
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that is a terrible choice to have to make.
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What can we do about the situation that exists?
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You know, it's kind of a difference of perspective.
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Yeah.
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I mean, they choose to blame as opposed to address.
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How can you hear that sentence of like, here is the choice that someone is faced with when
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they get pregnant.
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Either maybe die where you are, or maybe die somewhere else, but somewhere else maybe your
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baby has a better chance.
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Yeah, you and your baby have a slightly better chance.
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There's no way to look at that in a rational way without going, well, anybody who's just
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by getting pregnant an existing threat of death, there's a huge problem there.
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So before we ever even get to the United States, what the fuck is going on?
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Then next, wait a second.
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Are you telling me that if you're trying to do better for your baby, the country will
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just go, we're going to have to cuff you and then send you back to die.
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That's fucking out of control.
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May I present to you a thought?
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Freedom.
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Ah, shit.
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You know what?
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I don't think anybody's free in those scenarios.
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So Alex's dad, as we know, is a dentist.
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Yeah.
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And he's done some work for some CIA fellows, but it turns out he had a lot of clients,
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it turns out.
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Okay.
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My father's a dentist and one of the top border patrol people is his patient.
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My dad brought this up to him about the foreign troops getting shot at the bounties and he
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said, oh yeah, it's all true.
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Yeah.
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Foreign troops, mass down there, Chinese, Russian, Czechoslovakian.
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That's remarkable.
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Really?
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Really?
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah.
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He's the dentist to all people who could have information that Alex needs.
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So before there were any Lieutenant Colonels, all the Lieutenant Colonels got their
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dentistry work done by Papa Jones.
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Definitely.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So, one.
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Right.
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So the Czech army is there.
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Sure.
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Uh huh.
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Why?
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They're at the border?
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I'm sure.
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They're at the Mexican border?
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To invade the United States and to shoot border people, like a border patrol people on US
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soil.
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That's part of the conspiracy.
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I mean, does the Czech Republic get a cut of the United States after they overthrow
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us?
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I don't think the Chinese and the Russian government are going to carve out Iowa for
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the Czech Republic.
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You can have Maine.
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You can't.
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Yeah.
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You can't trust that.
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If I'm the Czech Republic, I'm saying no, sir.
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Oh, I assume it's kind of a combined effort towards the one world government.
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Sure.
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So at that point, there won't be countries.
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Naturally.
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That makes sense.
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So you got to kind of look at it from that prism.
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From the larger perspective.
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Yeah, I see what you're saying.
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I think that if Alex is telling the truth, which he's not, his dad should be in deep
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trouble.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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This has got to be a violation of some confidentiality.
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Oh, man.
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I mean, everybody who goes to his dad should be in very big trouble.
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Like, why are you going to Alex Jones of Infowars' father and telling him quote unquote secrets?
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Is there some kind of an agreement?
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I don't know this.
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Maybe we have a dentist listening who would know.
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I would assume that there's some kind of a professional obligation, like if you're on
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the gas or whatever and you're passed out, you're babbling and stuff to keep that to
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yourself, like doctor patient confidentiality kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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I would think that, especially if you're the top border patrol person or in the CIA.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's like, you know, the videos where somebody's driving their kid home and
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they're all drugged up from the dentist and they're like, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, like horrible.
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You know who doesn't make those?
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The dentist while you're drugged up in the chair.
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Although now I want to see a YouTube video of the top guy in the CIA in the backseat
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of a car.
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Why don't we all just hunker down and find out where the top people of all the organizations
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get their dentistry done?
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Well, I know Alex Jones' dad.
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That can't be all of them.
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Yes, it can.
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They can't all fly to Austin.
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Yeah, it can.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, never mind.
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He gets around.
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He's really good.
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Yeah.
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So this Scott guy, I did not think that there was much to his perspective.
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It was very standard kind of UN invasion, New World Order nonsense.
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And I also didn't feel like I had much respect for how he was describing his process.
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Yeah, I had one of the sources in my book.
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I got in a blowout with him one time because he was very afraid.
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Didn't want to come forward with some information.
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I said, look, and he said, look, they're going to kill my kids.
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I said, you know what?
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They're going to kill your kids anyway.
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So let me tell you, either you're going to fight and get more people on your side, let
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people know what's happening so that we can all come together as a country as we have
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in the past and fight this so that our kids have something to live for.
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I don't trust you anymore.
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Look, I can't do this, man.
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They're going to kill my kids.
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I'm going to kill your kids if you don't put this in my book.
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Yeah, I think that's a little bullying.
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Yeah.
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I don't feel like this is how you should treat sources.
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Fuck you, man.
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Yeah.
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You coward.
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You loser.
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Right.
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I demand you produce the thing that I know you must have.
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Because you're already assuming what the source has in terms of materials and you're
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behaving as if.
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This isn't how the game is done.
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No, that's very rude.
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Yeah.
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At the very least.
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Yeah.
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So another thing that's rude is bathroom etiquette.
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You know, like having bad bathroom etiquette.
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You know, I think a lot of the time it's generally understood.
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You don't want to talk to people too much in the bathroom.
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Everyone can mind their own business.
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Right, right, right.
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When you're standing at a urinal and somebody chooses the one specifically next to you and
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starts up a conversation, you're like, this is out of your out of pocket here, sir.
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Yeah.
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And I think that Alex actually has a pretty decent complaint here.
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If this did happen the way it did.
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But he ran into a globalist in the bathroom.
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Okay.
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But you need to understand something.
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I was talking about the threats I received over the years.
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Really, one of the latest ones was last year when I was out in LA
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taping the conspiracy zone and then we all had our own dressing rooms.
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But right off the main floor of the stage, right before we went on, I went to bathroom,
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a communal bathroom, larger one.
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And there was Lionel Chetwin, the guy that just made a made for TV movie where Bush is
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the big hero.
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He's the head of Bush's committee that's taking over the media, humanity and arts with the
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propaganda.
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He goes, he looks at me and he goes, you're Alex Jones, bugs his eyes out, makes a fist,
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points his finger and says, we're going to get you following him out.
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And I said, he's going to get me in front of some of the staff and he goes, oh, I'm
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just joking.
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So that's on the record.
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It's on the record.
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Yeah, man.
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We're going to get you.
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I, that would be the highlight of my life.
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It'll be hilarious.
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I want, I want to be in a bathroom somewhere and just suddenly be like, you're Jordan,
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we're going to get you.
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And I'd be like, yes, yes, you will.
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If you're a listener of the show and you ever run into Jordan in public, don't say we love
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your show.
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No, absolutely not.
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Threaten me.
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Say we're going to get you.
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It's also important that you bug your eyes out.
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Otherwise, otherwise we won't know for sure it's us.
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Based on Alex's stories about like seeing demons teleport into people and stuff.
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I think that is credibility in terms of the details of this story or maybe a little bit
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sketchy.
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Although I could, like, I don't know who this guy is, this Lionel fella is, but like, if
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he has a good sense of humor, maybe he was fucking with Alex.
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If he was joking, that's a solid joke.
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That's a great joke.
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And if he was joking and if it happened to me and they were joking, I'd be like, fuck
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yeah, that was great, dude.
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You nailed it.
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We're going to get you.
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100% we're going to get you too.
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Totally, totally.
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You walk away, you bump elbows and you have a great time.
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Yeah.
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Amazing.
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But so that's, that's whatever the case, probably something rude happened in that bathroom and
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I'm not, I'm not for it.
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That reminds me so much for some reason of Paul F.
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Topkin's Ghost in the Bathroom, the monster in the bathroom bit.
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I think it was off of Freakwarf where he's, he's like, I, you know, that scene.
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In horror movies where the guy goes up to the, goes up to the sink, he's in a real lull
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and he's just like, oh man, I just need to get some water on my sink.
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Just cool my face off.
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And he looks up in the mirror.
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Ah, there's a monster behind him.
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And I was always just scared of that.
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And then, uh, I realized one day I was in my own bathroom that if that were to occur,
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the monster would have to say, excuse me.
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Fuck.
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Yeah.
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Um, so after, after we have this protracted boring interview, um, we, Alex has some more
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calls and one of the things that I've started to notice is especially during this period
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and even up till the present day, Alex has like standard callers.
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Like Carlos is a guy who calls in all the time now.
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And you know, you had Old Man House Phone and the reason that we could pick out something
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like Old Man House Phone is because he called in a bunch and he always got through.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's this weird British guy who Alex seems to not like much who calls in quite a bit.
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But he gets through.
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Yes, a lot.
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And then, uh, and, uh, we really do appreciate him coming on the show.
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Let's talk to Dan in Illinois.
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Dan, you're on the air.
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You're on the air with Scott, uh, who is, uh, fighting the new world order.
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Go ahead.
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He had a conspiracy about Polish hot dogs.
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People putting ketchup on them.
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Okay.
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Dan in Illinois had a lot of thoughts about-
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Well, I mean, obviously.
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Why are you going to have hot dog when you can have a brat?
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Man, I want your origin story to have been, to have called in one time when you were real young
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and not remember the exact date and then to discover it on the show.
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That would be incredible.
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First of all, no, it couldn't have been.
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It couldn't have been.
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No, no, I would, I don't think, I, well, first of all, I wasn't in Illinois.
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We've already established-
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No, no, no, that's definitely true.
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I would have to be pretending to be in Illinois.
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Right, and it sounds like you at the time.
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If there's a Dan in Missouri who's really into ska,
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then maybe, maybe we'll, we'll have a conspiracy going here.
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Dan in Missouri, you're on the air.
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Okay.
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Hey Alex, is it cool to wear rainbow suspenders?
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Get off the line, kid.
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What kind of riot is your favorite?
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Mine's a zoot suit.
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That's more swing.
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I know, come on.
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So we have one last clip here and I just think it's a bad summation of this episode.
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You bet, thank you.
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This show's been so good.
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I'm going to re-air it tonight, 9 to midnight central on the short wave at 5.085 and 6819.
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He re-airs every show.
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Yeah.
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This is not, it's not like this show is so good, I'm going to re-air it.
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No, you re-air every night your air, your show is re-broadcast.
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It's like at the end of an episode of Seinfeld, they're like,
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we're really going to play this one a lot.
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Yeah, this one's going to go on.
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This one's so good, it's going on syndication.
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This one's going to be syndicated.
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This one for sure is going to be syndicated.
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Yeah, so dumb.
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I think that this show, this episode was a little bit light on actual content.
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Not a whole lot going on.
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Right.
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But that cop story I think is pretty funny.
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Yeah, very funny.
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And then Alex's discussion of Harry Potter is,
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anytime we get a nice cultural touchstone, it's always really important to just experience it.
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Whether it's his take on the Watchmen, or his take on Oblivion,
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his other take on Oblivion, his third take on Oblivion.
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There is an alternate universe where fucking Siskel is the guy on Infowars,
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and Alex and Ebert have been working together for years.
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Sure.
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I think that would be great.
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That would be great.
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Alex, if Alex's career does fall apart in the coming months and years,
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I would like to extend an olive branch and do a podcast with him where we talk about movies.
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Where we just talk about man.
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What do you think this is about?
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What do you think this movie is?
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I mean, I would legitimately watch a movie with Alex and just be like,
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okay, now I want you to tell me the plot of this movie.
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Yeah.
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Just tell me what you remember happening in order.
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I just want to see how your brain interprets it.
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Also, is this real?
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What is real and what is not real?
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Is this secretly real?
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Is this the fiction part or is this the non-fiction part?
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Yeah, I would like that.
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That'd be fun.
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I would start a movie podcast with the first episode.
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Dune.
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Round table discussion.
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So, Jordan, we come to the end of this and I have to say that Harry Potter is evil.
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Don't read it.
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Can't.
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Because if you do, you'll get magical powers.
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You learn too much.
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I would also like to say, if someone invites you to a demon feast, say no.
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You have other plans.
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It depends on at the very least, ask a follow up question.
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Like, what type of demon feast will we be feasting upon demons?
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Are you on the menu?
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Exactly.
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Yeah, you need more context for that.
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Definitely.
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Definitely.
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But we'll be back.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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You're a traitor, Dan.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
