Transcript/510: Fourth Time Is Not A Charm
From Knowledge Fight Wiki
Warning: Bot Generated Content
This transcript was automatically generated by transcription software and likely contains many mistakes and misattributions. Please check the audio for definitive quotes, attribution, and context.
Unknown Speaker (00:00:00.000)
N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:12.880)
Dan and Jordan, I am SWEATING
Unknown Speaker (00:00:17.920)
knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray
Unknown Speaker (00:00:21.120)
I have great respect for knowledge fight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:23.760)
knowledge fight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:24.800)
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys
Unknown Speaker (00:00:27.120)
saying we are the bad guys
Unknown Speaker (00:00:28.719)
knowledge fight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:30.000)
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:32.159)
Rattle her, rattle her, rattle her
Unknown Speaker (00:00:34.320)
I need, I need money
Unknown Speaker (00:00:36.399)
Rattle her, rattle her, rattle her
Unknown Speaker (00:00:39.280)
Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and
Unknown Speaker (00:00:42.159)
Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas
Unknown Speaker (00:00:44.640)
Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray
Unknown Speaker (00:00:47.039)
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding
Unknown Speaker (00:00:49.280)
Hello Alex, I'm a 16th caller, I'm with your Japan
Unknown Speaker (00:00:51.679)
I love your room
Unknown Speaker (00:00:52.880)
knowledgefight
Unknown Speaker (00:00:53.840)
n-n-n-n-n-n-n-knowledgefight.com
Unknown Speaker (00:00:56.880)
I love you
Unknown Speaker (00:00:59.359)
Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledgefight, I'm Dan
Unknown Speaker (00:01:01.280)
I'm Jordan
Unknown Speaker (00:01:01.679)
We're a couple dudes, I'd like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones
Unknown Speaker (00:01:05.519)
Oh indeed we are, Dan
Unknown Speaker (00:01:06.719)
Jordan
Unknown Speaker (00:01:07.120)
Dan
Unknown Speaker (00:01:07.519)
Throw it in
Unknown Speaker (00:01:08.000)
I have a quick question for you
Unknown Speaker (00:01:08.959)
Sure
Unknown Speaker (00:01:09.200)
What's your bright spot today?
Unknown Speaker (00:01:10.239)
My bright spot today is a follow-up to our
Unknown Speaker (00:01:12.319)
Follow-up?
Unknown Speaker (00:01:12.799)
Yes, to our bonus episode that we put out on Wednesday
Unknown Speaker (00:01:15.519)
Indeed we did
Unknown Speaker (00:01:16.400)
People can find that over on patreon.com slash knowledgefight
Unknown Speaker (00:01:20.000)
You can just look at it
Unknown Speaker (00:01:20.879)
Sure, you don't have to be a subscriber or anything, it's free, it's public, but it's posted there
Unknown Speaker (00:01:25.359)
on that page and we had played a delightful game of Thomas Jefferson or not Thomas Jefferson quotes
Unknown Speaker (00:01:31.120)
Indeed
Unknown Speaker (00:01:31.599)
Um, and my bright spot is following up on some things from the Zeep mailbox
Unknown Speaker (00:01:37.040)
Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:01:37.920)
So Nick sent some chocolate and some of these little nanoblocks
Unknown Speaker (00:01:42.959)
Ah yes, yes, yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:01:44.959)
I have to say first of all that nanoblocks are the coolest, greatest thing
Unknown Speaker (00:01:50.079)
They are like little tiny Legos and I found building this pelican to be incredibly like a zen state
Unknown Speaker (00:01:58.799)
I just felt really good, I was relaxed building this because you do have to focus
Unknown Speaker (00:02:03.359)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:02:04.400)
Put the piece in the right place
Unknown Speaker (00:02:06.079)
It was great, it was like a really, it really triggered a lot of those feelings that I had
Unknown Speaker (00:02:11.360)
that I loved about Legos and I appreciate that gift
Unknown Speaker (00:02:14.960)
And then also a follow-up on that chocolate
Unknown Speaker (00:02:17.680)
The fizzy jelly
Unknown Speaker (00:02:19.120)
Did you save any for me?
Unknown Speaker (00:02:21.280)
No
Unknown Speaker (00:02:21.680)
I did not think so and it was brutal because the moment you told me you liked it I was like
Unknown Speaker (00:02:25.759)
I would like to try it and I know I'm never going to get the chance
Unknown Speaker (00:02:28.639)
I will order a bar just so you can try it
Unknown Speaker (00:02:30.879)
Just so I can try it
Unknown Speaker (00:02:31.840)
It was so good
Unknown Speaker (00:02:34.400)
How was it good?
Unknown Speaker (00:02:35.759)
How was it good?
Unknown Speaker (00:02:36.560)
It was balanced
Unknown Speaker (00:02:37.439)
Was it gummy and chewy?
Unknown Speaker (00:02:39.439)
There were little bits of gummy but not like offensively so
Unknown Speaker (00:02:44.080)
Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:02:44.560)
Like it wasn't like there was a like gum in the middle of something
Unknown Speaker (00:02:48.080)
Okay, alright
Unknown Speaker (00:02:48.639)
And then there was like a fizziness, like pop rocks kind of thing
Unknown Speaker (00:02:52.159)
Really?
Unknown Speaker (00:02:52.479)
But it wasn't over the top fizzy
Unknown Speaker (00:02:54.960)
Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:02:55.520)
It was a nonsense game
Unknown Speaker (00:02:57.360)
Alright, okay
Unknown Speaker (00:02:59.360)
On paper it doesn't work but it was so good
Unknown Speaker (00:03:02.080)
This is one of those things where you're gonna have another one and you're gonna be like
Unknown Speaker (00:03:04.800)
You know what, I realize all I liked was the fact that these things don't happen to me before
Unknown Speaker (00:03:08.639)
and now that I've tried them again they're awful
Unknown Speaker (00:03:10.879)
There's a chance but as it stands now I ate the fucking shit out of that bar
Unknown Speaker (00:03:17.360)
I want to try it
Unknown Speaker (00:03:18.560)
I want to try it, you could have saved me a piece
Unknown Speaker (00:03:20.639)
Nope
Unknown Speaker (00:03:21.039)
Nope
Unknown Speaker (00:03:21.439)
Nope
Unknown Speaker (00:03:22.560)
So what's your bright spot?
Unknown Speaker (00:03:24.800)
Well my bright spot was going to be the piece of chocolate I was about to eat
Unknown Speaker (00:03:27.840)
Wow
Unknown Speaker (00:03:28.400)
Not gonna happen
Unknown Speaker (00:03:29.680)
No
Unknown Speaker (00:03:29.919)
You know who has it?
Unknown Speaker (00:03:30.879)
John Grand Prix has that chocolate
Unknown Speaker (00:03:32.879)
How's he doing?
Unknown Speaker (00:03:33.520)
Not good
Unknown Speaker (00:03:36.400)
My bright spot is a movie called Wild Mountain Time, I think is what it's called
Unknown Speaker (00:03:42.240)
And it is an inexplicable movie
Unknown Speaker (00:03:45.520)
I love it
Unknown Speaker (00:03:46.800)
You know those movies- The fizzy jelly candy of movies
Unknown Speaker (00:03:49.439)
A little bit, yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:03:50.479)
You know those movies where you're like this is not a good movie
Unknown Speaker (00:03:53.599)
This is not a bad movie
Unknown Speaker (00:03:55.199)
This movie just needed to exist where it didn't before
Unknown Speaker (00:03:58.639)
Like it's just a thing that you're like I'm glad that's there now
Unknown Speaker (00:04:01.919)
It wasn't
Unknown Speaker (00:04:03.120)
And it's my favorite type of story
Unknown Speaker (00:04:04.639)
I don't know exactly what you're talking about
Unknown Speaker (00:04:06.960)
It's my favorite type of story for two reasons
Unknown Speaker (00:04:09.039)
One, it opens up with Christopher Walken doing voiceover in a terrible Irish accent
Unknown Speaker (00:04:16.000)
That sounds like somebody doing an impression of Christopher Walken trying to do an Irish accent
Unknown Speaker (00:04:20.800)
Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:04:21.120)
It's fantastic
Unknown Speaker (00:04:22.560)
And you're like oh this is probably gonna stop
Unknown Speaker (00:04:24.720)
Nope
Unknown Speaker (00:04:25.360)
Keeps going
Unknown Speaker (00:04:25.839)
Keeps going
Unknown Speaker (00:04:26.399)
Oh yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:04:26.879)
This leads me to believe that it is a bad movie
Unknown Speaker (00:04:28.720)
No it's amazing
Unknown Speaker (00:04:29.839)
It's amazing
Unknown Speaker (00:04:30.399)
And it's also my favorite type of Irish story of which there are only two
Unknown Speaker (00:04:33.439)
There are two Irish stories in the world, Dan
Unknown Speaker (00:04:35.360)
There's Irish stories that go like this
Unknown Speaker (00:04:38.000)
Oh my god you're an outsider get the fuck away
Unknown Speaker (00:04:40.079)
And then over time they're like okay fine you can stay
Unknown Speaker (00:04:43.040)
But you know too much so you can never leave
Unknown Speaker (00:04:46.079)
Or the other kind where it's like ah get the fuck away from here
Unknown Speaker (00:04:48.800)
And then they leave
Unknown Speaker (00:04:49.759)
Like those are the only two types
Unknown Speaker (00:04:50.959)
If there's no story where the Irish people grow and change
Unknown Speaker (00:04:54.319)
Nuh-uh you're either in or out and that's it
Unknown Speaker (00:04:56.800)
Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:04:57.199)
And this is very much one of those stories
Unknown Speaker (00:04:59.120)
And then like the way it could be sold to you
Unknown Speaker (00:05:02.319)
The way that people are going to review it is there's like a twist at the end
Unknown Speaker (00:05:05.439)
There is not a twist
Unknown Speaker (00:05:06.959)
It's not a twist
Unknown Speaker (00:05:08.240)
It's just a reason and it's going to blow your fucking mind
Unknown Speaker (00:05:11.600)
Okay I'm not gonna watch this movie but
Unknown Speaker (00:05:13.600)
You gotta see it
Unknown Speaker (00:05:14.399)
Okay fine I'll watch it
Unknown Speaker (00:05:16.000)
Just because I want people to talk about it
Unknown Speaker (00:05:17.839)
I want more people to talk about it
Unknown Speaker (00:05:19.279)
I want to talk about this movie
Unknown Speaker (00:05:20.480)
You're gonna get some messages now from people who want to discuss
Unknown Speaker (00:05:22.879)
I can't wait
Unknown Speaker (00:05:24.000)
Rocky Mountain Fever whatever it's called
Unknown Speaker (00:05:25.519)
It's an insane movie I can't wait
Unknown Speaker (00:05:27.439)
All right
Unknown Speaker (00:05:28.879)
Jordan today we have an interesting episode to go over
Unknown Speaker (00:05:31.279)
My path was winding and rocky as I got to this episode
Unknown Speaker (00:05:36.480)
But I think we're gonna have some fun
Unknown Speaker (00:05:38.720)
And before we get into the episode itself let's take a little moment to say thank you
Unknown Speaker (00:05:42.240)
To some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show
Unknown Speaker (00:05:43.920)
I think that's a great idea
Unknown Speaker (00:05:44.879)
So first Galen O thank you so much
Unknown Speaker (00:05:47.120)
You are now Policy Wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:48.480)
I'm a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:49.439)
Thanks Galen
Unknown Speaker (00:05:50.160)
Thank you
Unknown Speaker (00:05:50.560)
Next Mylo F Thank you so much
Unknown Speaker (00:05:52.240)
You are now a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:53.519)
I'm a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:54.560)
Thank you Mylo
Unknown Speaker (00:05:55.680)
Thank you
Unknown Speaker (00:05:56.079)
Next Devin Thank you so much
Unknown Speaker (00:05:57.279)
You are now a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:58.879)
I'm a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:05:59.920)
Thanks Devin
Unknown Speaker (00:06:00.480)
Thank you
Unknown Speaker (00:06:00.959)
Next Most Nate thank you so much
Unknown Speaker (00:06:02.720)
You are now a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:06:04.079)
I'm a policy wonk
Unknown Speaker (00:06:05.199)
Thank you very much
Unknown Speaker (00:06:05.839)
Most Nate
Unknown Speaker (00:06:06.639)
Thank you
Unknown Speaker (00:06:07.040)
Next Brodie W
Unknown Speaker (00:06:08.319)
Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Brody. Thank you. Next Richard H
Unknown Speaker (00:06:13.620)
Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Richard. Thank you. And then finally Jimmy Van Gogh
Unknown Speaker (00:06:20.019)
Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Jimmy Van Gogh. All one word no less.
Unknown Speaker (00:06:27.420)
That's like that's Jimmy Carter's brother in the way. It's Vincent Van Gogh's brother like that kind of yeah makes sense
Unknown Speaker (00:06:33.579)
Yeah, if you're out there listening and thinking hey
Unknown Speaker (00:06:35.860)
I enjoy the show. I'd like to support these gents too. You can do that by going to our website
Unknown Speaker (00:06:38.740)
knowledgefight.com clicking the button says support the show or what you could do is you could take that
Unknown Speaker (00:06:43.660)
Generosity and you could just funnel it into some sort of creative spirit and it doesn't matter what it's about
Unknown Speaker (00:06:48.899)
It doesn't matter what it's about or whether or not it's good what it's about is getting it out there
Unknown Speaker (00:06:54.019)
So even if you're confused by your generous spirit put it out there
Unknown Speaker (00:06:57.939)
Take it to a local bail funder charity and I'll be goddamn if it's not better said in Ireland. So there you go
Unknown Speaker (00:07:03.699)
There you go
Unknown Speaker (00:07:05.740)
Landed it. Yeah. Thank you. So Jordan this episode today. We're gonna start
Unknown Speaker (00:07:11.379)
Where where I'm sort of going down this road
Unknown Speaker (00:07:15.819)
Starting with a little bit from Wednesday December 9th. Okay on Alex's show
Unknown Speaker (00:07:21.459)
He's he's in a weird headspace can just bragging
Unknown Speaker (00:07:25.420)
There's about a half hour at the beginning about a half hour bragging about half hour of him
Unknown Speaker (00:07:29.620)
Just talking about how he's like so popular
Unknown Speaker (00:07:32.500)
Everybody loves all right. I mean look
Unknown Speaker (00:07:36.180)
We've been taking off almost every box system that plugs into the internet and quote gives you cable
Unknown Speaker (00:07:41.439)
But cloud TV is owned by Patriots. They put us on two years ago
Unknown Speaker (00:07:45.300)
We're number one on cloud TV
Unknown Speaker (00:07:48.120)
And if you combine all news channels together including OAN or bigger than all of them Newsmax OAN all of them together
Unknown Speaker (00:07:55.379)
And again, they're kind of shocked by that
Unknown Speaker (00:07:57.560)
They even moved us used to we were at the top is whatever was number one
Unknown Speaker (00:08:00.540)
They put at the top they kind of move us the bottom like well
Unknown Speaker (00:08:02.740)
He just he just dominates too much
Unknown Speaker (00:08:04.699)
We kind of that sounds like like a good reason channels will get some more viewers
Unknown Speaker (00:08:08.100)
And I'm not in competition with those folks. I love OAN. I really like Newsmax
Unknown Speaker (00:08:14.060)
It's just that they won't play just funny because we have more viewers than all of them combined on cloud TV
Unknown Speaker (00:08:20.860)
Obviously OAN is on a much more cable systems and satellite systems, and I love it
Unknown Speaker (00:08:24.480)
And I hope OAN or Newsmax become the number one stations. I don't care. We're too popular. We're just so popular
Unknown Speaker (00:08:29.980)
We're too popular
Unknown Speaker (00:08:30.779)
They used to put us up at the top because we were so popular
Unknown Speaker (00:08:33.059)
But now they put us at the bottom so other channels have a chance. That really doesn't sound right that doesn't sound like good business logic
Unknown Speaker (00:08:38.460)
This goes on for so fucking long. I was getting so annoyed and then Alex was like not only am I the most popular thing
Unknown Speaker (00:08:45.500)
I'm also like super alpha
Unknown Speaker (00:08:48.019)
See, I'm an alpha male so when I was a kid I
Unknown Speaker (00:08:52.019)
Had the alpha genes I guess and I'd see a super like like Jason Jinko jeans
Unknown Speaker (00:08:56.500)
513 where guys coming in with a knife, and you don't fight back and you run you fall down and you plead
Unknown Speaker (00:09:00.779)
I thought that was fake. I've grown up now actually the average man or woman does fall down and starts groveling and
Unknown Speaker (00:09:09.340)
But now actually if Jason pulled a knife out the average liberal would run up and grab it and go I love you
Unknown Speaker (00:09:14.460)
I love you. This is good for me isn't in horror movies isn't the thing that people trip isn't that?
Unknown Speaker (00:09:20.659)
Yeah, no white women in a scary situation in a horror movie are going to fall
Unknown Speaker (00:09:25.139)
But even dudes too like you trip over your feet
Unknown Speaker (00:09:27.700)
It's the trope that sure yeah, I don't think that the people
Unknown Speaker (00:09:32.059)
I don't know. Maybe there are some horror movies where people intentionally fall down and then beg off with Jason
Unknown Speaker (00:09:38.100)
But I think it's mostly like they're trying to get away and then something happens. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know
Unknown Speaker (00:09:43.460)
I think we're doing their best. They weren't like oh shit
Unknown Speaker (00:09:47.220)
Maybe this monster will have mercy. Oh what I should have tried was groveling. Yeah, I don't know anyway
Unknown Speaker (00:09:54.059)
I just got so damn tired of this. Yeah. I was just like I need why?
Unknown Speaker (00:10:04.100)
I just needed something anything to go on and there was one talking point that was going on on Wednesday's show
Unknown Speaker (00:10:10.580)
Like I was trying to find like this something to pull out. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is something that is worth discussing
Unknown Speaker (00:10:17.259)
We've got a lot more here to cover but
Unknown Speaker (00:10:19.259)
FDA six people died during Pfizer COVID vaccine trial so we're gonna be talking about something else as a whole on today's episode
Unknown Speaker (00:10:26.779)
But I did want to bring this up
Unknown Speaker (00:10:29.179)
I think it's a
Unknown Speaker (00:10:30.259)
Important for us to cover this and probably the sooner the better because that feels like it's gonna become a big talking point
Unknown Speaker (00:10:36.539)
Yeah on his show this week
Unknown Speaker (00:10:38.720)
Alex has been repeating this particular headline with outrageous repetition over at infowars
Unknown Speaker (00:10:43.820)
You can find the headline quote FDA six people died during Pfizer COVID vaccine trial
Unknown Speaker (00:10:48.740)
The actual article covers some of the details of this story
Unknown Speaker (00:10:51.740)
But these details you don't really hear them when Alex covers it on the show because he just reads headlines then rants about what he?
Unknown Speaker (00:10:57.460)
Wants the story to be about it sounds scary that six people died in these trials
Unknown Speaker (00:11:01.820)
But in cases like this, it's crucially important to consult the actual information to see what the data says
Unknown Speaker (00:11:07.139)
If you go to the FDA's website
Unknown Speaker (00:11:09.100)
You can find the vaccines and related biological products advisory committee briefing document on the new Pfizer
Unknown Speaker (00:11:14.960)
vaccine if you read this document
Unknown Speaker (00:11:18.279)
You'll find that six participants in the trial are dead, but that number has to be understood in context
Unknown Speaker (00:11:24.220)
The first thing to consider is that there were forty three thousand two hundred fifty two participants enrolled in the study
Unknown Speaker (00:11:29.960)
Six out of that is a very low number
Unknown Speaker (00:11:32.120)
But even so if the vaccine killed six out of forty three thousand people that still might be a cause for concern
Unknown Speaker (00:11:38.519)
Well, I mean if there's three hundred and three thirty million people getting the vaccine, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:11:42.919)
Yes scale up and that could be a huge number it would you know?
Unknown Speaker (00:11:46.519)
So that's why you kind of need to look a little bit further in the text
Unknown Speaker (00:11:49.360)
If you do you'll find that four out of the six deaths were people who were in the placebo group
Unknown Speaker (00:11:54.039)
Which is to say that they didn't even get the vaccine that's being tested
Unknown Speaker (00:11:57.480)
These deaths are absolutely unrelated to the vaccine because they didn't get the vaccine
Unknown Speaker (00:12:01.720)
So that leaves us with two people in the experimental group who died one of whom was retroactively John F
Unknown Speaker (00:12:07.679)
Kennedy so we know why he went down his corpse
Unknown Speaker (00:12:10.000)
It didn't get COVID so these two individuals were both in the older group
Unknown Speaker (00:12:15.320)
Which means that they were over 55 years of age one experienced quote cardiac arrests 60 days after dose two and died
Unknown Speaker (00:12:22.919)
Three days later. This was a person who was in the trial, but two months afterwards had a heart attack
Unknown Speaker (00:12:28.279)
This is sad for that person, but almost certainly unrelated to the vaccine
Unknown Speaker (00:12:32.360)
The other person experienced quote arteriosclerosis and died three days after dose one
Unknown Speaker (00:12:37.720)
Arteriosclerosis is a gradual condition
Unknown Speaker (00:12:40.759)
And it's kind of absurd to imagine that it developed in three days because of a vaccine in this case
Unknown Speaker (00:12:45.720)
It seems almost certain that there was an underlying condition unrelated to the vaccine that precipitated the death
Unknown Speaker (00:12:50.679)
I thought it might be possible that you can make a study out of whether or not the vaccine could have
Unknown Speaker (00:12:55.679)
Exacerbated an existing arteriosclerosis, but that doesn't seem like it was a major concern of the authors doesn't seem like it was likely
Unknown Speaker (00:13:01.879)
So there were two deaths in the experimental group, but both are unlikely connected to the vaccine itself
Unknown Speaker (00:13:07.080)
But that report is being misrepresented and reported by people like Alex to be that six people died in the trial and you're gonna die
Unknown Speaker (00:13:13.399)
too I just it it seems like a very obvious oversight for any news organization not to at least be like
Unknown Speaker (00:13:22.679)
Six people died in the trial only to receive the vaccine in the headline
Unknown Speaker (00:13:27.320)
I'm not I'm not positive how any other outlet reported it so I can't speak to that. I do agree with you
Unknown Speaker (00:13:32.759)
Yeah, that seems that you gotta do that. It's an important detail. Yeah, you can't not do that
Unknown Speaker (00:13:37.240)
Four in the placebo group is very important
Unknown Speaker (00:13:39.240)
Yeah, when you're looking at that number if two-thirds of the number you're talking about exactly is in the placebo group
Unknown Speaker (00:13:44.519)
But I only know what how it was reported on info wars and of course their standard is lying
Unknown Speaker (00:13:49.559)
Yeah, a little bit of a different situation
Unknown Speaker (00:13:51.639)
yeah, the paper itself from the FDA explicitly lays this out quote the incidents of severe adverse events and deaths were low in the
Unknown Speaker (00:13:59.600)
context of the number of participants enrolled and
Unknown Speaker (00:14:01.759)
And comparable for experimental and placebo. Yeah, so
Unknown Speaker (00:14:06.320)
This is a disgusting lie on Alex's part
Unknown Speaker (00:14:08.600)
Which he's able to pass off by neglecting to inform his audience of what the headline he's reading actually means
Unknown Speaker (00:14:14.200)
He gives the audience the illusion that he's informing them of important stuff when he reports that six people died in the vaccine trial
Unknown Speaker (00:14:20.080)
But what he's actually doing is misinforming the flashy clickbait style headline is not necessarily untrue itself
Unknown Speaker (00:14:27.559)
But the conclusion that's meant to lead you to is a lie and a misrepresentation effects
Unknown Speaker (00:14:32.519)
So I got this and I just was like I'm not feeling it. Yeah got one thing. That's like, okay, that's important
Unknown Speaker (00:14:40.279)
Yeah, and it'll probably be something you hear about moving forward as more countries roll out of that
Unknown Speaker (00:14:47.799)
But I was like, I don't want to I don't want to I don't care
Unknown Speaker (00:14:50.799)
I don't want to listen to half an hour of Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:14:53.480)
Rambling about how great he is and then I started to think about it this weekend
Unknown Speaker (00:14:58.519)
Alex is supposed to go down to DC. Yeah, I'm supposed to go move to DC
Unknown Speaker (00:15:02.600)
Sure, and that means I got to write a song about yeah, that is true. That is true. You've got some work to do
Unknown Speaker (00:15:07.159)
Uh-huh. So I felt like my follow-ups don't equal the original Monday
Unknown Speaker (00:15:12.159)
We've got to get into like Alex going to DC and all that stuff
Unknown Speaker (00:15:16.720)
Yeah, have a little better idea of what happened with that protest. We have a responsibility, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:15:21.799)
so I was thinking we have a responsibility to do other things and
Unknown Speaker (00:15:27.000)
Maybe now is the best time. Oh, we're not gonna do Rogan are we but you take DMT with Joe Biden
Unknown Speaker (00:15:37.879)
Shit so we're gonna cover the
Unknown Speaker (00:15:41.080)
Last week, I think maybe I just recently Joe Rogan showed up in Alex's studio in Austin
Unknown Speaker (00:15:47.399)
And they did a four-hour interview, which I regretfully I have I have just one
Unknown Speaker (00:15:53.039)
I just one thing to say about the vaccine shit, which is that I I
Unknown Speaker (00:15:57.960)
Mean just to take one quick step back
Unknown Speaker (00:16:00.879)
It is amazing to me that they can turn six dead in this trial into a terrifying thing
Unknown Speaker (00:16:07.159)
Whenever like it went we went from a brand new disease to a vaccine in a year and a half
Unknown Speaker (00:16:13.440)
That's a fucking miracle. It's a year and a half. Yeah, it's a
Unknown Speaker (00:16:18.320)
miracle to have done that like not since
Unknown Speaker (00:16:21.039)
Like what like they did it one time faster in like the 1950s like it's in a crazy miracle
Unknown Speaker (00:16:27.799)
Yeah, and they're just like Oh six dead like wait 100 years ago. They would be like, this is the demon like this is incredible
Unknown Speaker (00:16:34.720)
Yeah, and I didn't read that entire FDA document
Unknown Speaker (00:16:38.879)
I was looking over the section about the severe and non severe adverse events and a lot of it didn't see it like
Unknown Speaker (00:16:46.240)
You know, they have to report everything. Sure. So like there's like stats for number of people who had like
Unknown Speaker (00:16:52.440)
The a rash. Yeah, exactly or like pain in the site of vaccination. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, all right
Unknown Speaker (00:17:00.440)
Information is there. Yeah, you know, it's there
Unknown Speaker (00:17:02.759)
Um, anyway, I agree. I agree. Yeah, but we have issues. We have issues to deal with. Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:17:09.140)
I want to be a globalist. How do I get in?
Unknown Speaker (00:17:13.799)
So we're really doing this, huh? Yeah, we're really gonna listen Joe Rogan talk shit
Unknown Speaker (00:17:19.900)
I'm about people infinitely smarter than I'm gonna say this ahead of time. I
Unknown Speaker (00:17:24.660)
Tried to steer away from conversation about how fucked up they are
Unknown Speaker (00:17:28.859)
Yes, because I think that's kind of boring and it's not really all that like I would if I were in a studio with Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:17:35.220)
Rogan, I'd probably be fucked up too. Yeah, it's kind of low-hanging fruit a little bit and it would become tires
Unknown Speaker (00:17:40.700)
I think we just put a disclaimer up top. These guys are fucked up. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:17:44.779)
Yeah, and I think that other like other people living their lives. I don't think there's anything wrong with being fucked up
Unknown Speaker (00:17:51.980)
No, I do think that there's something probably wrong about Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:17:54.940)
Presenting himself the way he does and then being super fucked up with Rogan and talking nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, whatever
Unknown Speaker (00:18:01.900)
I don't really care that much. Yeah, I'm not a square whatever
Unknown Speaker (00:18:05.839)
anyway, I
Unknown Speaker (00:18:07.720)
Look, it's not as good as
Unknown Speaker (00:18:11.400)
When he Alex was on Rogan, of course not because Alex isn't really trying to impress
Unknown Speaker (00:18:16.420)
exactly as much as he is just trying to like solidify the bond between the two of them and yeah and
Unknown Speaker (00:18:22.099)
Try and get whatever he can out of it
Unknown Speaker (00:18:24.619)
But there is still a number of things that I think are important teachable moment. Sure
Unknown Speaker (00:18:28.339)
I mean Rogan in Alex's studio isn't fun because at the it's like they're on more of an equal footing
Unknown Speaker (00:18:35.599)
Like not in any cool footing but Alex doesn't have to supplicate himself quite as much because when you would
Unknown Speaker (00:18:43.500)
Know oh no
Unknown Speaker (00:18:45.500)
He really what do we start what a wine how dare you say you're an alpha
Unknown Speaker (00:18:50.920)
Why don't why don't we start and listen to this alpha?
Unknown Speaker (00:18:54.660)
Evil wars the most banned network in the world
Unknown Speaker (00:18:59.099)
Well, I gotta tell you I get bigger goosebumps with this guy on the air the one I've had Donald Trump on and this movie
Unknown Speaker (00:19:05.299)
Stars, no, seriously
Unknown Speaker (00:19:06.500)
I've known you for 22 years and you're a fun really smart amazing guy and you've put up a lot of my crap and
Unknown Speaker (00:19:11.819)
He's the number one not just podcaster but talk show host the world Joe Rogan my fellow Texan Alex Jones. Thanks for having me
Unknown Speaker (00:19:19.319)
Supplication. Oh boy, right out of the go boy. Did he learn that from Stevie P's that level of
Unknown Speaker (00:19:25.400)
Sequience. Yeah, it must have rubbed off. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:19:28.079)
Over the years you just learn how to compliment people if you get your balls rubbed by Stevie P's enough
Unknown Speaker (00:19:33.200)
So there's a there's a constant consistent thing throughout this
Unknown Speaker (00:19:37.400)
Interview where Alex seems to want to hit a couple of points pretty hard
Unknown Speaker (00:19:42.240)
Yeah, one of them is why did you move from LA? Sure. Why like how is Spotify?
Unknown Speaker (00:19:47.960)
Tell me tell me everybody in LA is evil. Tell me Spotify is a great company to work with and they might be willing to
Unknown Speaker (00:19:54.619)
Pay me
Unknown Speaker (00:19:58.960)
Hey, they let me on the your show on Spotify, maybe they'll let my show on Spotify
Unknown Speaker (00:20:03.440)
Yeah, and you know just a couple of other like pointed things run throughout
Unknown Speaker (00:20:09.400)
Yeah, and so the Alex starts off with hey, man
Unknown Speaker (00:20:13.200)
Why'd you leave LA?
Unknown Speaker (00:20:14.519)
Mm-hmm
Unknown Speaker (00:20:15.000)
I really love Texas for so long and I always was attached to LA because the comedy store because of business and just doing stand
Unknown Speaker (00:20:21.960)
Up there and podcast there
Unknown Speaker (00:20:23.660)
But once they locked everything down
Unknown Speaker (00:20:25.839)
This was the logical place for me to move and and it for me it felt like I had a nice
Unknown Speaker (00:20:30.819)
Excuse to move here and just like I thought about moving here for a long time
Unknown Speaker (00:20:34.539)
But it didn't seem feasible and then as soon as the lockdowns happen and then the riots the looting and I was like I gotta
Unknown Speaker (00:20:40.380)
Get the fuck out of LA. I don't believe that for a second. Uh-uh. It's almost certainly tax-related. Yep
Unknown Speaker (00:20:47.579)
Just got a hundred million dollars and LA charges me a lot of money
Unknown Speaker (00:20:51.779)
It turns out and I understand that, you know, Joe would perform in LA and and shit
Unknown Speaker (00:20:56.500)
But like I don't think he lived in the city
Unknown Speaker (00:20:59.180)
Mm-hmm. I don't think he lived anywhere where let's say
Unknown Speaker (00:21:03.539)
Protests were no. No, there are so many looters and writers outside of Joe Rogan's neighborhood
Unknown Speaker (00:21:10.099)
Recent hundred millionaire. I know Rogan's mill. I just don't buy it
Unknown Speaker (00:21:14.279)
I find this brings artificial and false
Unknown Speaker (00:21:16.539)
But it is probably about the best thing you could do as opposed to saying like I'm fucking loaded now. Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker (00:21:24.980)
Don't need them anymore used to be rich
Unknown Speaker (00:21:27.700)
I
Unknown Speaker (00:21:30.740)
Could be comically rich anywhere
Unknown Speaker (00:21:32.740)
I want and it just so happens that Texas is the state where I can stay the most comically
Unknown Speaker (00:21:39.059)
I mean it was either Texas or moved to Miami and I don't think he's going to Miami. Yeah, so Alex also
Unknown Speaker (00:21:45.819)
in with his sort of Steve pochenik esque buttering
Unknown Speaker (00:21:50.420)
He's constantly asking Joe like why?
Unknown Speaker (00:21:53.980)
What's it like to be the most famous person in the world?
Unknown Speaker (00:21:58.099)
You were so successful early on in your career all this stuff. What's it like having the biggest dick anyone's ever seen
Unknown Speaker (00:22:04.900)
What is it like more or less?
Unknown Speaker (00:22:07.339)
Someone's said once a friend of mine said that I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads
Unknown Speaker (00:22:13.019)
I'd like to look at it that well, that was kind of my next angle of my next question
Unknown Speaker (00:22:16.660)
I mean you've been doing podcasting over ten years, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:22:19.299)
It's yeah. Yeah 2009. So it's almost 11 years. It'd be 11 years in December
Unknown Speaker (00:22:25.180)
Away, I mean, I mean you've been big right away. You probably been no no
Unknown Speaker (00:22:28.359)
No, it wasn't big at all in the beginning like literally no one was watching
Unknown Speaker (00:22:31.660)
It was a it's part of the comedy show. We were watching we were watching Joe. Oh my god. Oh my god
Unknown Speaker (00:22:38.819)
Little brother vibe. This isn't the fucking today's show
Unknown Speaker (00:22:43.059)
Oh
Unknown Speaker (00:22:44.380)
Yeah, I'll tell you you were successful early on despite your yeah, let me
Unknown Speaker (00:22:52.059)
Tell you about your experience I know it better
Unknown Speaker (00:22:55.339)
Yeah, I was here. So four minutes in to this interview four minutes
Unknown Speaker (00:23:01.140)
They've had some pleasantries and it's like all just kind of like oh, yeah, you're so great
Unknown Speaker (00:23:05.460)
It's so great to have you here awesome. They start smoking weed four minutes in on air. Let's go back to that
Unknown Speaker (00:23:11.099)
That was my first question. How did you develop your worth at ethic and drive because I have some great tobacco
Unknown Speaker (00:23:16.339)
Absolutely. I'll take a pop ball
Unknown Speaker (00:23:22.420)
So they're good
Unknown Speaker (00:23:23.220)
they're smoking weed and there was a meme that went around or like a video that someone put together from the
Unknown Speaker (00:23:29.380)
Last time Alex was on Rogan and they spliced together things to make it sound like Alex wanted to have sex with Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:23:34.660)
Oh and sort of it went around on Twitter and stuff. Oh, so Alex is constantly
Unknown Speaker (00:23:39.819)
uh
Unknown Speaker (00:23:40.940)
Leaning into that sure sure hoping that someone else makes a video. Right? Right, right
Unknown Speaker (00:23:45.220)
It's really desperate and very pathetic right? Yeah, it's it's obnoxious. He's he's just
Unknown Speaker (00:23:52.900)
Outrageously desperate to get a meme. Yes. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:23:55.779)
I think that's what he wants more than even having Joe on is like somebody in Joe's audience will make something
Unknown Speaker (00:24:03.059)
That'll go viral. Yeah, that's that's kind of the goal. I'm looking for 20,000 likes on something
Unknown Speaker (00:24:08.940)
Yeah, and if you got to make fun of me, you got to make fun of me
Unknown Speaker (00:24:11.779)
Hey, well, that's how people have really embraced me because I love being made fun of. Yes
Unknown Speaker (00:24:16.140)
I don't get folks that don't like it. I love it. No you you get a kick out of him
Unknown Speaker (00:24:19.740)
There's a show he would love that
Unknown Speaker (00:24:23.740)
I have a podcast to recommend to him called fucking knowledge fight. I kind of enjoy it
Unknown Speaker (00:24:28.259)
I don't think he's very serious. No, I kind of think that he has very thin skin
Unknown Speaker (00:24:32.460)
I think he has a hair trigger as well. I think he might react negatively when he receives any criticism whatsoever
Unknown Speaker (00:24:40.059)
Yeah, that could be mm-hmm. Well, I could be wrong though. Maybe he's an avid fan
Unknown Speaker (00:24:44.299)
No, he does not like being made fun of but he likes to say that he likes being made fun of well
Unknown Speaker (00:24:48.859)
It makes him look cool
Unknown Speaker (00:24:49.579)
He kind of likes being made fun of in ways that are profitable to him though
Unknown Speaker (00:24:52.619)
Like so if someone makes a meme that's poking fun at him
Unknown Speaker (00:24:54.859)
He gets a ton of people and a ton of attention and his name is all over the place then he'll take it
Unknown Speaker (00:24:59.980)
Yeah, I'll accept being made fun of for profit, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:25:03.900)
Right, I will I will accept payment to be in the dunk tank. Yes, but I will not do it for fun. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:25:10.099)
Yeah, he's a sad clown. Yes in many ways, but you know, it was not Joe Rogan Joe Rogan is the most famous
Unknown Speaker (00:25:17.500)
He's the most famous person in the world. He is the Walter Cronkite of our time. Oh god
Unknown Speaker (00:25:23.779)
No
Unknown Speaker (00:25:24.619)
when did you realize that you were in the site guys because you were already in the site guys to hit TV shows and UFC and
Unknown Speaker (00:25:30.140)
You know big movies and you know the national champion
Unknown Speaker (00:25:32.579)
I mean you've had success since day one you had to fight hard for it. But what did you realize? Oh my god
Unknown Speaker (00:25:37.339)
I'm like a real superstar not of some just empty movie or an empty actor that reads off a
Unknown Speaker (00:25:43.259)
Teleprompter a script you get to be your own self and be the biggest that's that's that's very rare
Unknown Speaker (00:25:47.859)
The tobacco is kicking in. I I don't know if I ever realized it. I'm not sure if I still realize it
Unknown Speaker (00:25:54.660)
Come on, you got it. Like like what cuz I mean, I'm pretty super famous, too
Unknown Speaker (00:25:58.740)
One of the reasons why I like pot is it makes me think about much more interesting things
Unknown Speaker (00:26:03.660)
So like wolf, but I kind of respect that answer because it's a it's a really embarrassing question
Unknown Speaker (00:26:09.819)
It is and for Joe as like a person like the graceful
Unknown Speaker (00:26:14.980)
dignified way to respond to that is I don't think about that too much because
Unknown Speaker (00:26:20.579)
To imagine that you do think about it is is gross. Yeah. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:26:27.339)
Joe I have a quick question how often and
Unknown Speaker (00:26:31.539)
Strenuously, do you sniff your own farts and believe them to be amazing? Could you just tell me real quick?
Unknown Speaker (00:26:37.059)
Your farts don't stink obviously, sir, obviously, when did you first notice?
Unknown Speaker (00:26:41.140)
Well, I mean like what other answer could he give that doesn't make him look like a shithead the fuck
Unknown Speaker (00:26:49.420)
Well, I think it was about July
Unknown Speaker (00:26:52.740)
2014 that I realized that I was the king of the world
Unknown Speaker (00:26:56.539)
Isn't the great pothead meathead summit of 2016? Yeah, whatever I brought them to together. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:27:02.339)
No one thought that I could reach day talk between the two but much like Steve pochenik solving all the world conflicts
Unknown Speaker (00:27:09.140)
I solved the meathead jock
Unknown Speaker (00:27:11.619)
pothead
Unknown Speaker (00:27:12.859)
Conflict it turns out everybody likes doing nothing sometimes
Unknown Speaker (00:27:16.339)
So Alex tried to destroy Joe when Joe said that he couldn't be on his show
Unknown Speaker (00:27:22.859)
So as this goes yeah a couple times back when Alex was on he lied to Joe's face about Sandy Hook
Unknown Speaker (00:27:29.579)
He did do that. Yes
Unknown Speaker (00:27:30.660)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:27:31.140)
And apparently Joe found out about this and it was right around when a lot of attention was going on with the Sandy Hook suit
Unknown Speaker (00:27:37.819)
might have been around the time Alex threatened to murder the opposing council or
Unknown Speaker (00:27:42.619)
I'm sorry put out a million-dollar hit Wow
Unknown Speaker (00:27:46.059)
What's a what's a million dollars between friends? Sure
Unknown Speaker (00:27:48.619)
Yeah, so Joe said that Alex couldn't be on his show for the time being so that was resolved
Unknown Speaker (00:27:53.700)
I said that Joe is a sneaky snake you that threatened to destroy him talking about his children
Unknown Speaker (00:27:59.579)
Yeah, you didn't threaten to kill his well, but he was talking about them in a way that is very inappropriate
Unknown Speaker (00:28:04.140)
I'm not happy for public discussion. No
Unknown Speaker (00:28:06.380)
um
Unknown Speaker (00:28:07.660)
Now looks kind of wants to say sorry about all that
Unknown Speaker (00:28:11.099)
Well, I'm gonna mea copa some before you know the hardcore issues here with you tonight. We appreciate you being her Joe and
Unknown Speaker (00:28:17.220)
That's that I've kind of gotten whacked out under all the pressure all the attacks
Unknown Speaker (00:28:20.500)
Yeah, we've been over this so many times the opposite of Fame though
Unknown Speaker (00:28:23.900)
It's like being I get Ellen is is is you almost start becoming the villain, but I just want to say the way you help man
Unknown Speaker (00:28:29.619)
I wrote that was a big help. Well, we just
Unknown Speaker (00:28:32.019)
I wrote for a long time and I think that's it's just a
Unknown Speaker (00:28:37.539)
It's really a microcosm of what is happening online with people is that they're not talking to each other
Unknown Speaker (00:28:44.099)
No, it's not. It is not a microcosm of what's going on with social media. No, no not communicating with each other
Unknown Speaker (00:28:51.779)
It's very much a case of Alex trying to ride your coattails
Unknown Speaker (00:28:57.460)
this is one of those things where I
Unknown Speaker (00:28:59.460)
Remember this quote from Sinbad and I will till a day. I die the sailor or the comedian
Unknown Speaker (00:29:05.420)
the comedian, okay
Unknown Speaker (00:29:08.259)
Comics are funnier when they ride the bus
Unknown Speaker (00:29:10.740)
Mmm, just that like simple like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You hundred millionaire dumbass
Unknown Speaker (00:29:17.259)
Yeah, what are you talking about? What's going on online right now? Yeah, your experience is stupid. Yeah, sure and
Unknown Speaker (00:29:24.460)
like Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:29:26.460)
I I don't know what the fuck he thinks Alex does for a living
Unknown Speaker (00:29:31.940)
Like I don't I don't know does he not know what Alex's show is about. He's never watched imagine
Unknown Speaker (00:29:38.140)
He doesn't have the time. Does he imagine that Alex is talking about like real conspiracies still? Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:29:43.940)
cuz I
Unknown Speaker (00:29:45.640)
He can't possibly know the horrible things Alex said about him for days
Unknown Speaker (00:29:50.460)
Yeah, it's quite a bit. It's not just they needed to talk. Alex was turning their fight into content
Unknown Speaker (00:29:57.019)
Yeah, but he was monetizing fighting between the two of them
Unknown Speaker (00:30:00.220)
Yeah, if you were Joe's friend, wouldn't you be like hey, I saw I know you probably don't have time to see him for us
Unknown Speaker (00:30:06.099)
But I saw this online and it's this whole long series of things that Joe said or that Alex said directly about you
Unknown Speaker (00:30:11.619)
You should watch this and remember it forever
Unknown Speaker (00:30:14.259)
Let's say that you're a friend of mine and we have a falling out and like maybe you're a high-profile person, too
Unknown Speaker (00:30:20.299)
Mm-hmm. I wouldn't
Unknown Speaker (00:30:22.700)
Have the instinct to threaten to destroy you for attention. Yeah on air
Unknown Speaker (00:30:27.619)
Yeah, that's kind of in that's a bad person
Unknown Speaker (00:30:31.339)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:30:31.859)
If I started my own show like we have a falling out and I start my own show and then all of a sudden
Unknown Speaker (00:30:36.660)
You just start going on. I'm gonna kill Jordan rants one. Your show would become far more popular sneaky
Unknown Speaker (00:30:43.380)
Too I would be very offended Dan. Yeah, that would hurt my feelings nonsense. Oh, we just needed to talk. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:30:48.440)
Anyway, Alex carries on this charade that like he actually knows anything about what he's talking about
Unknown Speaker (00:30:54.559)
And in this clip we kind of get the first
Unknown Speaker (00:30:57.599)
Real meaty thing that I think happens and that is like a full demonstration of why Joe Rogan cannot do the things he's doing
Unknown Speaker (00:31:05.000)
When I get into issues when I'm being serious
Unknown Speaker (00:31:08.400)
I mean, I'm yeah, you can differ on my interpretation
Unknown Speaker (00:31:11.759)
But if I'm saying I've got a clip or I've got something I've got it
Unknown Speaker (00:31:15.200)
Well, that's why I wanted to clear podcast really clearly and I think we accomplished a great job, by the way
Unknown Speaker (00:31:20.440)
I felt terrible that night you pat on the back. You said this will be the best one. You just got proven, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:31:24.559)
I'm surprised almost everything you said was a car
Unknown Speaker (00:31:26.240)
I thought if you there's been mistake and and and you were damn right
Unknown Speaker (00:31:29.039)
My buddy Pat Raleigh was there and he said that was your best podcast with Joe ever. I went home depressed
Unknown Speaker (00:31:33.440)
This is why Joe is not equipped to do the job that he's assigned for himself
Unknown Speaker (00:31:37.599)
Joe didn't fact-check Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:31:39.519)
But he gave just enough of the appearance of doing so to rationalize continuing his association with him
Unknown Speaker (00:31:45.559)
Joe could have and should have completely destroyed Alex's career on that podcast
Unknown Speaker (00:31:50.240)
but he didn't have the ammo that he needed to take that shot and because he didn't now that
Unknown Speaker (00:31:54.759)
Podcast gets to be pointed to as a time when Alex's beliefs were really put to the test and he was found
Unknown Speaker (00:32:00.039)
To be correct. Yep
Unknown Speaker (00:32:01.359)
It's just a pathetic display from all parties and I find it difficult to imagine that Joe doesn't have some awareness of what he's doing
Unknown Speaker (00:32:07.440)
And here's what makes me the most convinced of that on that last podcast that they did
Unknown Speaker (00:32:12.839)
Alex presented Joe with information that he was previously unaware of
Unknown Speaker (00:32:16.720)
The Rockefeller Foundation had a public plan called operation lockstep that is identical to the current kovat 19 response
Unknown Speaker (00:32:23.720)
According to Alex everything that's happening now is planned 10 years ago by these evil globalists and the documents are easily accessible to prove it
Unknown Speaker (00:32:30.400)
I do not believe that a sincere person would not finish the podcast and then immediately or at their first opportunity
Unknown Speaker (00:32:37.319)
Check that claim
Unknown Speaker (00:32:39.400)
Alex can either be right or wrong if he's wrong
Unknown Speaker (00:32:42.319)
Your friend is a liar and he's using your platform to spread misinformation
Unknown Speaker (00:32:45.480)
That's gonna get people killed and you're complicit in it if he's right
Unknown Speaker (00:32:49.200)
There's a very easily provable
Unknown Speaker (00:32:51.079)
Conspiracy to kill off the population using the illusion of an outbreak and it seems like knowing that for certain would be pretty important
Unknown Speaker (00:32:57.400)
The only thing that really makes sense here is if Joe is treating Alex like Eddie Bravo
Unknown Speaker (00:33:01.880)
It's fun to talk to him about the crazy bullshit
Unknown Speaker (00:33:04.160)
He believes but there's literally no reason to take any of it seriously or think about it for a second outside of his presence
Unknown Speaker (00:33:10.160)
Joe's not gonna dig into whether the earth is flat after hanging out with Eddie and he's not gonna research the fake
Unknown Speaker (00:33:15.519)
Operation lockstep after hanging out with Alex because he takes them equally seriously
Unknown Speaker (00:33:19.740)
Joe probably thinks that what he's doing is fine and innocent enough
Unknown Speaker (00:33:22.880)
But he's doing a lot of damage and doing a bad job while pretending to fact-check Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:33:27.640)
Yeah, if you just want to shoot the shit with your friend fine. Once you step into the game of like
Unknown Speaker (00:33:33.299)
Validating his conspiracies and pretending that you're doing some kind of rigor or due diligence on this
Unknown Speaker (00:33:39.039)
You're giving Alex all the carte blanche to your audience that he needs. Mm-hmm. You're basically selling your audience to him
Unknown Speaker (00:33:46.079)
Yeah, you can't I'd like the first sentence
Unknown Speaker (00:33:48.680)
He said is just like we can differ on interpretation and it's like you on some things you can
Unknown Speaker (00:33:54.519)
But there are things that are or are not it's not everything is not
Unknown Speaker (00:33:58.559)
Differable on interpretation and then second you always have the documents. Why why would you say that?
Unknown Speaker (00:34:06.079)
Why would you say he always has the documents luck? Is it the joke?
Unknown Speaker (00:34:09.960)
Yeah, I hate it. Yeah. No, it's it's sad. That's pathetic
Unknown Speaker (00:34:13.619)
So Alex is a gift for Joe not only the gift of ass kisser II and nonsense
Unknown Speaker (00:34:19.320)
He also has physical gifts. Okay, you've given me a lot of great UFC tickets
Unknown Speaker (00:34:23.679)
But really nice to me for 20 plus years and I've never really gotten you anything
Unknown Speaker (00:34:27.280)
And I've seen people give you gifts on the show using some PR thing that they're selling. I don't know any stock in this
Unknown Speaker (00:34:32.519)
It's a it's a great rifle. I really enjoy it
Unknown Speaker (00:34:35.039)
And so this is something where you can go get four or five grizzly bears
Unknown Speaker (00:34:38.840)
That's so Texas grizzly bears at the same time. What are these rounds? I'm gonna guys bring the rifle in here
Unknown Speaker (00:34:43.920)
So this is your gift along with that box of cigars. You very much. So I got him cigars and rifle like
Unknown Speaker (00:34:50.159)
It's just like a parody of masculinity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's really that's really bad. Mm-hmm
Unknown Speaker (00:34:55.860)
That would be a little bit too on-the-nose in a movie. I would be like, okay guys, we get it
Unknown Speaker (00:35:00.500)
They're supposedly men your bros. Yeah. All right. Yeah. This is a man cave. I gotcha. All right
Unknown Speaker (00:35:06.760)
Here's where it gets easy to pull it back. Here's where it gets even worse now remember it
Unknown Speaker (00:35:10.599)
They're smoking weed and drinking booze and booze and he is just gifted Joe a rifle right and then Alex says this
Unknown Speaker (00:35:17.119)
It's really wild when you go pick up the rifle and try it out a little bit
Unknown Speaker (00:35:20.239)
Don't you pick try it out? You know what I mean? Just check it out. Let's just put it away
Unknown Speaker (00:35:23.840)
I know what a rifle is. I got a bunch of all right. How Texas is this? That is the right response
Unknown Speaker (00:35:29.239)
Yeah, yeah, that's a good response. I was very I was very afraid because generally whatever info wars
Unknown Speaker (00:35:34.760)
Hey pick up that rifle is a of course. I'll pick up that rifle Alex Jones the pinnacle of gun safety
Unknown Speaker (00:35:40.280)
Just the guy who loves the Second Amendment
Unknown Speaker (00:35:43.079)
Responsible gun ownership. Hey, don't shoot it. Don't shoot it. Hey, what are you test out that rifle?
Unknown Speaker (00:35:48.480)
No, give it a go. Give it a go inside. Don't shoot it though. Just swing it around Wow pointed at your friends
Unknown Speaker (00:35:55.000)
so they get to talking about like
Unknown Speaker (00:35:58.679)
sort of meds and medication and
Unknown Speaker (00:36:02.519)
Joe knows some people who have mixed drugs with meds and it's had a bad response. Oh
Unknown Speaker (00:36:08.679)
Some side effects there's different people with different side effects, you know
Unknown Speaker (00:36:13.199)
And and some people are seeing it with things and cocaine, you know, there's a lot of people that say that mixing it with cocaine
Unknown Speaker (00:36:19.760)
Turns you psychotic and oral heart makes life say Xanax. It's not
Unknown Speaker (00:36:23.880)
Terrible for you and a lot of people do it. It's terrible for you
Unknown Speaker (00:36:26.559)
They say don't drink on this people are yeah, okay, and they drink on it, right? The problem isn't the meds though
Unknown Speaker (00:36:32.440)
Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one it's that it's the inverse of what you think is
Unknown Speaker (00:36:37.659)
Yeah, I can't do my coke on these meds. No, you're sir, sir. Let me back you up one step
Unknown Speaker (00:36:43.599)
That is what it does kind of seem to me that well, I can't stop doing
Unknown Speaker (00:36:51.199)
Free basin for ten years now and just cuz you want me to take this med. Oh my cholesterol is high
Unknown Speaker (00:36:56.800)
Yeah, fuck you. Mixing booze and Xanax is really dangerous. So people who are on Xanax
Unknown Speaker (00:37:03.340)
Who actually use it as prescribed
Unknown Speaker (00:37:05.340)
It's a little bit like you say no, I'm on booze. I'm taking Xanax. Okay, that's that's my recreation. It's very strange
Unknown Speaker (00:37:14.820)
Also, very strange to hear that Joe's position on marijuana is evolving a little bit
Unknown Speaker (00:37:19.739)
And I think that's probably good because I I think for everything I could tell there is a little bit of a cartoonish
Unknown Speaker (00:37:26.199)
pro marijuana cartoonish carte blanche of
Unknown Speaker (00:37:29.139)
Like like permissiveness to yeah, it's all good. Nothing bad can ever come of we yeah, I think that was kind of a position
Unknown Speaker (00:37:36.179)
He may have presented earlier on it's not addictive and you blow the smoke in your four-year-olds face. It's good stuff move on
Unknown Speaker (00:37:42.539)
He's now evolved a little bit into a position where it seems like he is is aware that sometimes it can have negative outcomes
Unknown Speaker (00:37:49.579)
You know, I've been more and more open over the last few years
Unknown Speaker (00:37:53.139)
Especially to recognize that pots not always safe and I don't think it's a good idea to tell everybody it's always safe
Unknown Speaker (00:37:58.940)
Well, they made it so strong that it's definitely been connected to increases in schizophrenia. I have no I don't know if it's from the
Unknown Speaker (00:38:06.059)
Potency perspective. I think maybe it's always happened and we just didn't
Unknown Speaker (00:38:12.460)
two people
Unknown Speaker (00:38:13.900)
Personally who were normal and started smoking a lot of pot and went crazy. I do as well including edibles
Unknown Speaker (00:38:20.980)
I know people who have them worked here. One of them started thinking that everyone was reptiles. Wait, that's David. I
Unknown Speaker (00:38:26.739)
Was saying that I got bad news for you
Unknown Speaker (00:38:30.940)
If those people worked it in for us previously, they weren't normal
Unknown Speaker (00:38:35.880)
They weren't starting from like really grounded place and then they started smoking weed
Unknown Speaker (00:38:42.059)
They started listening to me. Yeah. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:38:46.059)
Sign that this person had lost it is that they thought everyone was reptiles. Yeah when in reality everyone is
Unknown Speaker (00:38:52.659)
interdimensional demons, duh
Unknown Speaker (00:38:54.659)
What are you? What are you high? That's the difference between mental health
Unknown Speaker (00:38:59.780)
Losing it is do you think people are reptiles or do you think they're interdimensional demons?
Unknown Speaker (00:39:04.139)
You know what? I don't I don't understand why people would listen to this
Unknown Speaker (00:39:06.780)
I don't understand why people would listen to two people have the same dumb thoughts. You could already have at home
Unknown Speaker (00:39:12.980)
Oh, you know no totally like like this is dumb as hell
Unknown Speaker (00:39:16.860)
Like I have thoughts that you can think of at home
Unknown Speaker (00:39:19.739)
But it's interesting because you have knowledge and research and shit. Well now we're both just being like, hey
Unknown Speaker (00:39:25.559)
I half remember the content of this thing that I might have read one of the reasons
Unknown Speaker (00:39:29.900)
I ultimately decided to do this episode was because I'm looking forward to Monday and we have the
Unknown Speaker (00:39:36.780)
The trip to DC sure for the episode on Monday. Sure
Unknown Speaker (00:39:40.300)
I don't know when we'll have time to get to the Rogan episode if not now, of course, and then the other more
Unknown Speaker (00:39:45.699)
Motivating factor was that it is something that people are curious about people are curious about like what a four-hour
Unknown Speaker (00:39:52.659)
Fucking episode unreal and no one should have to listen to no one. It's so long
Unknown Speaker (00:39:57.059)
It's mean there were long stretches where I was listening to this and I'm just like I don't care
Unknown Speaker (00:40:02.380)
I don't care. No, cuz cuz there are parts that are just like, okay. This is just a stupid conversation
Unknown Speaker (00:40:08.219)
It's not really relevant
Unknown Speaker (00:40:09.460)
Yeah, it's it's not that entertaining just talking about like a fun time you all had or something like Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:40:16.280)
Rogan does like 10 minutes about how great Joey Diaz is as a comedian. He is great
Unknown Speaker (00:40:31.820)
There's so much there's like skip and so I'll save people the time I'll listen to it for you
Unknown Speaker (00:40:37.139)
Thank you, and we can just listen to the parts that are interesting like finding out the two of Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:40:41.659)
Oh, there's gonna be a short into the grass. Of course, then they lost their minds, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:40:46.840)
also
Unknown Speaker (00:40:48.219)
Alex thinks that he's interviewing Joe kinda. Uh-huh, but the tables turn. Oh, I talk about interdimensional things
Unknown Speaker (00:40:54.900)
That's what the globalists believe in. Have you ever had an interdimensional experience? Here we go
Unknown Speaker (00:41:00.659)
Well, I'm interviewing Joe Rogan
Unknown Speaker (00:41:02.659)
Why are we interviewing each other man? No, no, no, we're not I just want to get all the cool stuff out
Unknown Speaker (00:41:08.179)
Let's just talk. Okay, I'll tell you
Unknown Speaker (00:41:10.820)
So he did not want to answer that question. He wanted to dodge that if you were an interdimensional experience explain to me how that
Unknown Speaker (00:41:18.980)
Question can blow you away if it's like
Unknown Speaker (00:41:22.980)
I talk about interdimensional stuff. Of course. That's what the globalists believe. Have you ever had one?
Unknown Speaker (00:41:27.340)
Because if I say yes, then I would have to admit that I also believe in that shit
Unknown Speaker (00:41:33.019)
And that's kind of probably gonna sound bad
Unknown Speaker (00:41:34.539)
It sounds silly for me to say that's what the globalists believe if I've experienced it and I know it's real
Unknown Speaker (00:41:39.139)
It kind of makes me look like an idiot that if I say no, then the globalists are just a bunch of
Unknown Speaker (00:41:44.659)
Yeah, those who have beliefs that aren't true. Yep. What kind of power is there in that? Not a lot
Unknown Speaker (00:41:50.019)
Yeah, kind of a trap. Okay, so Alex doesn't really answer but then he does he does say this
Unknown Speaker (00:41:55.619)
I don't want to make this about me, but I could actually shift into a psychic awareness a psychic awareness
Unknown Speaker (00:42:02.780)
Although the higher level how well do you think you'd do at rock-paper-scissors?
Unknown Speaker (00:42:06.980)
You know, we can joke about that probably pretty good
Unknown Speaker (00:42:15.460)
You better win every time exactly I'll give you a minute to shift into your psychic state and you better win
Unknown Speaker (00:42:22.440)
All right, that is full of shit that is huge
Unknown Speaker (00:42:26.480)
You I don't have to do any voices vibe out of this guy. Yes. Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker (00:42:32.559)
Can know I don't know about interdimensional experiences, but I can shift into a psychic state
Unknown Speaker (00:42:40.639)
Maybe I would hope so. Anyway, Alex has a good example of when he has done this in the past
Unknown Speaker (00:42:46.960)
No, but I know how to you know
Unknown Speaker (00:42:49.219)
I let's just say I I wouldn't call the exaggeration
Unknown Speaker (00:42:54.019)
It'll be accelerated to the next power where they claim
Unknown Speaker (00:42:56.780)
It's like actual projection or remote viewing right but but I can't control it had a lot of dreams to come exactly true later
Unknown Speaker (00:43:02.500)
And I've called a lot of things like two months for 9-11
Unknown Speaker (00:43:05.699)
I said they're gonna blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on been live what simple said
Unknown Speaker (00:43:08.619)
How did you know how to dream about it kept having a recurring dream? What? Yeah, did you talk about this Larry?
Unknown Speaker (00:43:12.940)
Yeah, there's videos over here. No. Yeah, so I can't really control it. Holy shit
Unknown Speaker (00:43:17.800)
So that's amazing. But that's only one data points. It's not amazing. No, it's not we've talked about we did
Unknown Speaker (00:43:22.980)
I think a whole episode about why it's not
Unknown Speaker (00:43:25.539)
But like that's that that's just one piece of data. What if he had a second dream that came?
Unknown Speaker (00:43:31.179)
Okay kept having this recurring dream of a guy in a pink and green striped sweater. Mm-hmm
Unknown Speaker (00:43:36.659)
When I walk around the side of a building attacking me with like a club Bill Gates and and and and as you wear
Unknown Speaker (00:43:42.260)
What is it Roger sweaters and we used to drive into town? It was like 15, but with older kids to get alcohol
Unknown Speaker (00:43:47.739)
He had to drive into downtown Dallas to get alcohol and weed
Unknown Speaker (00:43:50.619)
We got a like little crack houses, but we're buying weed on them
Unknown Speaker (00:43:53.139)
And then I was going around the side of all these buildings and it was a white crackhead and he tried to attack me
Unknown Speaker (00:43:58.719)
I'd have the exact dream a whole bunch of times and miss when he tried to club me in the head
Unknown Speaker (00:44:02.300)
So it was like it was like it was like my psychic understanding to get past that point
Unknown Speaker (00:44:06.099)
Happened like two months later. I kept having the dream of this guy
Unknown Speaker (00:44:08.820)
I'm all sudden walk around this house to buy some weed wasn't a big weed guy, but we're driving out again for girls
Unknown Speaker (00:44:13.179)
And this guy tries to club me in the head and crackhead and it's the same guy from the dream. Jesus Christ
Unknown Speaker (00:44:18.260)
Yeah those dreams so you've had two of those big ones. You've had a lot of other ones. Yeah a lot of them
Unknown Speaker (00:44:22.980)
Wow, these are the two examples that he uses though. Holy shit
Unknown Speaker (00:44:26.340)
So I guess maybe that was like he'd seen Nightmare on Elm Street
Unknown Speaker (00:44:31.579)
I guess like that's so that's so bullshit
Unknown Speaker (00:44:35.460)
Fuck don't I have one rule don't ever tell anybody about your dreams unless it's a sex dream with someone interesting
Unknown Speaker (00:44:41.659)
No one else. No one cares about anything else. Yeah, I'm positive that I could come up with some stories
Unknown Speaker (00:44:47.659)
Of dreams I had that I could make match things that happen. Yeah. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:44:52.619)
Anybody you can fudge the details cuz it's a dream, right? You don't perfectly remember any of this fuck off. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:44:59.539)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:44:59.860)
So this is the Alex gets back to the 9-eleven prediction and he says something that I actually think is a real problem
Unknown Speaker (00:45:06.300)
Well, there was a two-hour thing. I did it in July 25th
Unknown Speaker (00:45:11.380)
2001 I went ahead and went on air and they're gonna blow the World Trade Center blend on the CIS have been live then launch all
Unknown Speaker (00:45:16.300)
These wars and and I said, oh I just got this from analysis and information, but I kept having the dream
Unknown Speaker (00:45:22.300)
The towers smoking all the rest of it
Unknown Speaker (00:45:24.340)
So what I what I want to point out and take issue with here is that Alex admits that he lied
Unknown Speaker (00:45:30.619)
About what the information source was. Yeah, he is saying I said that it was based on analysis
Unknown Speaker (00:45:37.260)
But really it was the product of a prophetic dream that I had right because he knew in
Unknown Speaker (00:45:43.019)
2000 that he could not say I had a dream about this
Unknown Speaker (00:45:46.980)
That would be very very silly and I would suggest that if this is all true and Alex is being he's reporting
Unknown Speaker (00:45:54.179)
this accurately then what happened was he was listening to a ton of Bill Cooper and
Unknown Speaker (00:45:59.860)
Patriot ass radio back then and at that point in time it seeped into his subconscious
Unknown Speaker (00:46:04.340)
Bill Cooper was saying very similar things and that's why he was dreaming about it
Unknown Speaker (00:46:09.460)
Yeah, that's and you combine that with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center
Unknown Speaker (00:46:14.619)
The feelings like bin Laden was somebody who was known at the time
Unknown Speaker (00:46:19.699)
Well, and he did say he was going to bomb the World Trade Center. There's that he was very explicit about it
Unknown Speaker (00:46:25.500)
Too like a long time in advance, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:46:27.380)
So like Alex's dreams about this or more likely the product of influences that he had sure and then he got on air and
Unknown Speaker (00:46:35.260)
Pretended that he was some kind of expert had some analysis and that's kind of a microcosm of his career
Unknown Speaker (00:46:40.980)
Yeah, yeah ending that he has information that he's just coming up with out of his fantasies
Unknown Speaker (00:46:45.260)
Yeah, I would say that what he's done is invalidate any time he's ever said that he predicted 9-eleven as being like a result of
Unknown Speaker (00:46:53.780)
Work. Yeah, so at best you had a dream you had a dream, right?
Unknown Speaker (00:46:58.420)
So then I will so then if you could your entire career is based on a lie
Unknown Speaker (00:47:03.539)
Unless you are selling yourself as a pure psychic who can predict things as opposed to analyze them
Unknown Speaker (00:47:09.500)
And it calls into question other times that he said he's analyzed things or he has information
Unknown Speaker (00:47:13.659)
Is he actually just lying about the dream? Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:47:17.739)
How seriously should you take any information that he provides if he was willing to pass off a prediction about a terrorist attack as?
Unknown Speaker (00:47:25.980)
Analysis when it was actually a dream. Well, he did say Chicago was gonna be nuked. How are we doing? We're fine
Unknown Speaker (00:47:30.659)
Oh might have had a dream. Oh shit. We might still be fucked. But he had a dream. Yeah, that sounds about right
Unknown Speaker (00:47:36.300)
So look, this is an interview. Mm-hmm. They're gonna get down to the nitty-gritty
Unknown Speaker (00:47:39.880)
They're gonna get down and find out what the truth is unless Joe doesn't want to have an interview. Okay
Unknown Speaker (00:47:46.280)
So what are you in the comedy Oh
Unknown Speaker (00:47:49.800)
Alex this is so forced
Unknown Speaker (00:47:52.639)
What got me in the comedy it is not forced it is
Unknown Speaker (00:47:55.960)
Questions like we're doing an interview. No, I'm just because I actually but we're I can talk plenty. Look out. No, I know
Unknown Speaker (00:48:02.639)
Let's talk well you don't follow those if you were magically made ruler of the world
Unknown Speaker (00:48:08.079)
Oh, geez, what are three things you would do to change the world as it is?
Unknown Speaker (00:48:12.800)
Alex Jones never does this. I'm being different. I understand
Unknown Speaker (00:48:16.039)
I don't think the two of them want to are they're working on the exact same page here. I think no
Unknown Speaker (00:48:22.039)
Alex is kind of wanting to get something again. Joe just wants to have a conversation. It's still funny anymore
Unknown Speaker (00:48:28.719)
He's charismatic. Yeah, I mean I thought I would I would expect he would go for a joke every now and again
Unknown Speaker (00:48:35.440)
I think he comes off pretty well. Okay, at least all right, okay
Unknown Speaker (00:48:39.119)
I think he says a number of really stupid things sure, but at the same time like I you know watching this
Unknown Speaker (00:48:44.199)
I was thinking like I could probably
Unknown Speaker (00:48:46.679)
Hang out with Rogan Wow
Unknown Speaker (00:48:48.400)
I could probably get along with him as long as we didn't get into these sorts of topics. Sure
Unknown Speaker (00:48:52.719)
Sure, I think it might be fun. And as long as it wasn't like a show
Unknown Speaker (00:48:56.340)
I mean, I wouldn't want to do like I wouldn't want to be on his show. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:49:00.239)
Yeah, just hanging out socially having a conversation. I think he could probably probably be a lot of fun
Unknown Speaker (00:49:06.320)
Definitely hung out and had social conversations in green rooms with far worse people
Unknown Speaker (00:49:12.119)
He's able to like Alex you're forcing it why yeah asking a question
Unknown Speaker (00:49:16.320)
When did I get into comedy right like yeah that that is that's an indication at least on some level that he's willing to have
Unknown Speaker (00:49:23.239)
You know conversation that's not that's true boring. That's true. So but in terms of him being funny. I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure
Unknown Speaker (00:49:31.679)
But Alex thinks he's funny. How about this kill fucker fight? Oh
Unknown Speaker (00:49:39.639)
Well, I don't want to kill him you're gonna fuck him and I don't want to fight him
Unknown Speaker (00:49:43.519)
I don't want to hurt him. It probably be the most gentle if I fuck him
Unknown Speaker (00:49:46.480)
All right, we don't like to keep him alive. No, that's rude that and then you're just making a mockery of it
Unknown Speaker (00:49:53.519)
Oh, you want a personal mama bill? Yes
Unknown Speaker (00:49:56.400)
I
Unknown Speaker (00:49:57.519)
You know, I'm trying to feed the memes right now. So desperate. Oh desperate. I get a meme going. That's really bad
Unknown Speaker (00:50:04.000)
Yeah, that's kind of heart-wrenching. Yeah, it's it's
Unknown Speaker (00:50:07.519)
Cringy, it's very cringy
Unknown Speaker (00:50:09.400)
Yeah, especially since he's he's trying to it seems like he's getting so much mileage out of just saying fuck
Unknown Speaker (00:50:14.760)
Just like kill fuck fight, you know, you want him to say that it's like it's like a family feud question
Unknown Speaker (00:50:21.360)
We're like you want grandma to say tits. We know it
Unknown Speaker (00:50:24.860)
Yeah, there's a little bit of a problem too in that like Joe doesn't seem to hate Bill Gates. Whereas Alex
Unknown Speaker (00:50:31.440)
It claims to know that he runs the world and wants to kill everyone sure
Unknown Speaker (00:50:36.480)
There is Alex doesn't challenge Joe on his non hatred of Bill Gates, which seems weird
Unknown Speaker (00:50:42.440)
I'm considering everything Alex says about Bill Gates all the time, but I would have said, you know, he's one of the 12
Unknown Speaker (00:50:52.679)
Maybe he's middle management
Unknown Speaker (00:50:55.679)
That's true when when Alex was on Joe's podcast last it was a disgraceful
Unknown Speaker (00:51:01.519)
Showing, you know, there were just tons and tons of things that were factually inaccurate
Unknown Speaker (00:51:08.159)
emotionally inaccurate
Unknown Speaker (00:51:10.159)
And manipulative at the very least. Yes, and you know, we did our episode about it and if anybody's interested they can find
Unknown Speaker (00:51:17.519)
cataloging of them there
Unknown Speaker (00:51:19.519)
But Joe seems to think that people were desperate to find something that Alex was wrong about
Unknown Speaker (00:51:26.000)
Let's go ahead and play it's Bill Gates himself saying that the vaccine made 80% of the people ill
Unknown Speaker (00:51:32.360)
Which is exactly what you said on the podcast and people were complaining and they were they were angry
Unknown Speaker (00:51:37.639)
They were trying to find something that you said that was wrong
Unknown Speaker (00:51:40.559)
It was so hard as we basically checked everything you said and all that proved to be accurate
Unknown Speaker (00:51:46.000)
so then we got to this part where you said 80% of the people that took the vaccine got sick and people are like he's
Unknown Speaker (00:51:51.559)
Spreading anti-vaccine conspiracy theories. So I said, okay. Listen, here's the video
Unknown Speaker (00:51:56.840)
We're not desperate to find things that Alex is wrong about it was not a struggle really. No
Unknown Speaker (00:52:01.559)
Oh, it's kind of a Google search honestly. Kind of exhausting. It's a bit of a Google search. It was an exhausting cataloging of things that he was wrong about that took for fucking ever
Unknown Speaker (00:52:15.119)
But Joe I don't understand how he can possibly not recognize that Alex was lying like that
Unknown Speaker (00:52:22.239)
Project lockstep operation lockstep thing is like so glaring that he should never talk to Alex ever again
Unknown Speaker (00:52:27.960)
But he seems to think that everybody was so desperate to find one the thing one place where Alex didn't dot his
Unknown Speaker (00:52:35.360)
Eye or cross his teeth see this this is a struggle because it does seem like he doesn't take Alex seriously
Unknown Speaker (00:52:43.840)
So, how can you also say that?
Unknown Speaker (00:52:47.000)
You know, that's the conflict that I have like he doesn't take this information seriously. Yeah, obviously
Unknown Speaker (00:52:53.079)
So, how can you say that it's proven and then not react to it really like it's a an issue
Unknown Speaker (00:52:57.960)
How can you go out of your way to rationalize Alex and sell him to your audience while at the same time?
Unknown Speaker (00:53:05.039)
Not taking a step and seeing if his fucking conspiracy about the plan to destroy everyone in the present
Unknown Speaker (00:53:12.519)
Yeah, using kovat 19 has any credence to it?
Unknown Speaker (00:53:15.840)
How could you be that not curious if you're willing to vouch for him? Oh
Unknown Speaker (00:53:20.880)
How how could you believe that that stuff has been proven and not use five of your hundred million dollars
Unknown Speaker (00:53:28.920)
To do something about it. Yeah yours. He's if you believe what Alex is saying then the elites are killing all of us
Unknown Speaker (00:53:36.880)
Murdering us all and you have a hundred million dollars. You should buy info. You could do something about it
Unknown Speaker (00:53:42.159)
How do you not make that just oh, I'm just a regular old guy just being trampled
Unknown Speaker (00:53:46.840)
Down to the machines. Yeah, fuck you. Well, I don't I don't know what his answer to that would be
Unknown Speaker (00:53:52.599)
And I don't understand how he can have this completely bizarre relationship with with Alex. Yeah, it's weird
Unknown Speaker (00:53:58.239)
It doesn't make any sense now
Unknown Speaker (00:53:59.719)
But I think one of the ways that he's able to play it publicly is to be like yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:54:04.440)
Everyone's just mad about things that you say because you're saying them. They're too attached to the messenger
Unknown Speaker (00:54:10.800)
Sure, people get trapped into the messenger. They get trapped into the messenger instead of listening to the information a
Unknown Speaker (00:54:18.320)
Fucking moron might have something important to say you never know when someone isn't. Thank you Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:54:25.159)
Not you, but if someone's an idiot at most things and they come to you with one fact someone could be a fucking liar
Unknown Speaker (00:54:32.119)
All the time, but then they come to you with one fact that they saw on TV, you know, get the fuck out of here
Unknown Speaker (00:54:38.000)
That's where crying wolf comes from right? Absolutely knows that a couple of did you learn the wrong lesson from the very story?
Unknown Speaker (00:54:44.559)
You just reference
Unknown Speaker (00:54:45.519)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (00:54:45.800)
the lesson supposed to be like in that story is that when you cry wolf a bunch of times and there is no wolf people will
Unknown Speaker (00:54:52.000)
Not believe you
Unknown Speaker (00:54:55.280)
The lesson of that story isn't that the people who stop believing someone who constantly lied about there being a wolf or wrong to
Unknown Speaker (00:55:01.719)
Not believe him the last time that's a completely bizarre
Unknown Speaker (00:55:04.400)
Interpretation of that story the takeaway is supposed to be that if you're a liar and the lies you're telling affect other people
Unknown Speaker (00:55:10.679)
You can cause serious damage to people with your lies because the time you're telling the truth about a threat
Unknown Speaker (00:55:15.440)
They might not believe you. Uh-huh. Alex is kind of the boy who cried wolf except in his version
Unknown Speaker (00:55:21.159)
There still isn't a wolf at the end
Unknown Speaker (00:55:22.539)
He's just continuing to lie and the boy is getting rich selling anti wolf pills to a particularly gullible set of people in town
Unknown Speaker (00:55:29.400)
Yeah, there's an issue there. Also. This is a critically important point Joe is saying that people cannot hear the things
Unknown Speaker (00:55:35.880)
Alex says and evaluate them on their merits because they're caught up in the messenger
Unknown Speaker (00:55:39.559)
They hate Alex and so he must be wrong about everything
Unknown Speaker (00:55:43.639)
This is exactly the problem with how Joe engages with Alex just in the reverse
Unknown Speaker (00:55:48.840)
It's Joe who's completely caught up on the messenger and refuses to accept the possibility that Alex is a malignant narcissist
Unknown Speaker (00:55:55.079)
Who is not his friend. I hate Alex Jones more than most people and I can easily separate my feelings about how repulsive
Unknown Speaker (00:56:01.679)
He is from whether or not specific claims he makes are based in reality
Unknown Speaker (00:56:05.599)
It's not a difficult exercise because I care because I believe that there's a reason that this matters
Unknown Speaker (00:56:11.559)
For all Joe's talk about ideas and good ideas beating bad ideas. He doesn't think any of this shit
Unknown Speaker (00:56:17.679)
He's talking about matters
Unknown Speaker (00:56:19.079)
He's trapped by the illusion in his head that he's created where Alex is a good guy who means well
Unknown Speaker (00:56:24.039)
Which he only believes because the two of them have gotten fucked up together a couple times and said offensive things to each other
Unknown Speaker (00:56:29.880)
Which is bonding I guess and Alex gave him a rifle cigars, too
Unknown Speaker (00:56:33.719)
I challenge Joe to take his own of advice and separate the messenger from the message
Unknown Speaker (00:56:39.119)
Start with operation lockstep and go from there and consider the possibility that this person you insist is your friend is actually a dangerous liar
Unknown Speaker (00:56:46.880)
Yeah, I do. I mean it to your point. Yeah. Okay, Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:56:50.639)
Then do you watch like the other conservative news networks whenever they say all that bullshit?
Unknown Speaker (00:56:55.719)
Do you go? Well, obviously I must believe them because it's true
Unknown Speaker (00:56:59.840)
That's the only because they're not that no that's that's so fucked up
Unknown Speaker (00:57:03.920)
He's absolutely tied to the to just I will defend Alex no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's
Unknown Speaker (00:57:11.679)
sucks
Unknown Speaker (00:57:12.599)
Well, I mean it kind of sucks, but it also is really gaslighting to say people who yeah like disagree
Unknown Speaker (00:57:18.480)
But can't possibly have substance-based reasons for disagreeing. We just hate Alex all about it's all about your feelings
Unknown Speaker (00:57:25.440)
It's always it's he's creating this archetype of like all criticism is coming from
Unknown Speaker (00:57:30.840)
SJW snowflakes who are all mad because Alex Jones is too manly or something sure and then like it that's so
Unknown Speaker (00:57:38.460)
Boring, you're like trafficking in this like fetishization of ideas and that's the idea you have
Unknown Speaker (00:57:44.539)
Well, what it is we've done 500 something episodes of this podcast about substance. Yeah, that's wrong with Alex Jones
Unknown Speaker (00:57:51.780)
It's not I don't I'm not just mad at him. Yeah, we would have stopped a long time ago. I was just mad at him
Unknown Speaker (00:57:58.019)
Yeah, yeah, it's such bullshit Joe
Unknown Speaker (00:58:00.179)
It's it's just like with Alex's fears of and then being like on the other side and he wants those things to happen
Unknown Speaker (00:58:07.820)
It's what he's afraid of is the things that he desires in the same way
Unknown Speaker (00:58:11.940)
Joe is what he's really expressing is I react to things based on how I feel
Unknown Speaker (00:58:17.099)
So I assume that others react to things based on how they feel. I can't imagine them
Unknown Speaker (00:58:24.099)
Breaking free of the the mold that I exist in because obviously if I have a hundred million dollars the things I think are important
Unknown Speaker (00:58:31.099)
They're not just feelings that I have or fucking fake prophetic ass dreams that I have that must be where their
Unknown Speaker (00:58:38.099)
Criticism comes from as well. Yeah, and I mean Joe even gets into this kind of thing a little bit later here
Unknown Speaker (00:58:44.880)
I'll even go to this. I'll jump forward a little bit because it's really relevant
Unknown Speaker (00:58:48.639)
I'll go to this clip here because he's talking about like how people shape their ideas
Unknown Speaker (00:58:53.440)
And I think that this might be how he has right or it feels like projecting
Unknown Speaker (00:59:00.119)
This is the thing. It's like like you you're allowed to have other ideas
Unknown Speaker (00:59:05.239)
But the whole idea of who you are and what life is is
Unknown Speaker (00:59:10.199)
Mostly shaped by what you think is gonna give you the least resistance from the people that are around
Unknown Speaker (00:59:15.039)
But that's the Liberals always liked was the fact that they were open and free and believed in speech
Unknown Speaker (00:59:20.320)
And even though I disagree with them on some points they agree with my overall freedom. I'm so high
Unknown Speaker (00:59:25.280)
I don't even know what I just said. You said something really smart
Unknown Speaker (00:59:27.880)
I agree. I'm a bullshitter. So I know that Joe's discounting his own point because he's all high and shit, but the the
Unknown Speaker (00:59:39.519)
Presumption that you mold your identity by with that which
Unknown Speaker (00:59:43.760)
Ideas these ideas that will cause the least tension with the people around you. Mm-hmm. That's not how everyone lives
Unknown Speaker (00:59:51.079)
No, that's not very much personal experience. A lot of times your personality is formed by conflict
Unknown Speaker (00:59:56.480)
It's formed by tension
Unknown Speaker (00:59:58.079)
with groups that you don't fit in with having to find new people that you get along with better because
Unknown Speaker (01:00:06.239)
That's that's nonsensical. Yeah. Yeah, I I can't handle this. I get it
Unknown Speaker (01:00:12.719)
There's ideas and you can look at things from a different way
Unknown Speaker (01:00:15.639)
But we also have to exist in a world where some things are and some things are not
Unknown Speaker (01:00:20.639)
Mm-hmm. Everything is not open to interpretation. No, it just can't be otherwise we get places where it's like
Unknown Speaker (01:00:27.280)
We think there's voter fraud
Unknown Speaker (01:00:28.760)
So there was no things at there at a certain point something is or is not we can't live in a no
Unknown Speaker (01:00:35.159)
This is just how I interpret things like that's just not how we can share a universe. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard
Unknown Speaker (01:00:40.679)
Yeah, but I will say that they're modeling it for us
Unknown Speaker (01:00:44.679)
Here with Alex and Joe. That's why it's so shitty. They're two completely different people and they're getting along
Unknown Speaker (01:00:51.360)
They voted for different people. Did you know that Rogan didn't vote for Trump? What?
Unknown Speaker (01:00:56.760)
Listen, I voted for Joe Jorgensen. I voted for the libertarian because I think we should probably
Unknown Speaker (01:01:02.480)
You know, I'm voting out of California
Unknown Speaker (01:01:04.039)
So I'm like we should support third-party candidates because that's one of the solutions. I'd love to grill him on Jorgensen's position
Unknown Speaker (01:01:11.039)
God, I want to slap him so bad. I kind of how fucking dare you
Unknown Speaker (01:01:16.719)
I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter since it's California
Unknown Speaker (01:01:19.920)
Yeah, I I would love to see how much he knows about Joe George totally
Unknown Speaker (01:01:25.559)
That's just some fake ass
Unknown Speaker (01:01:27.420)
Like I'm so I look I don't agree with what Trump does and I don't like the way he does it
Unknown Speaker (01:01:33.360)
But listen, I can't support the Democrats cuz I'm an iconoclast. I'm Joe fucking Rogan. You don't know shit
Unknown Speaker (01:01:40.559)
I would have voted Democrat if they got Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, right fuck off you fucking screw you
Unknown Speaker (01:01:46.760)
So again, I often feel like we're gonna get hit with the DMCA complaint and have like copyright
Unknown Speaker (01:01:54.280)
Claims put on our episodes big in cyberpunk 2077
Unknown Speaker (01:01:57.880)
All right, people are saying that you have to turn DMCA music off. Otherwise the twitch will kick you off
Unknown Speaker (01:02:03.440)
Oh, no, you'll get kicked off, but we're fine. Oh are we so again?
Unknown Speaker (01:02:07.340)
Thanks for watching and back to this exclusive in-depth Joe Rogan interview
Unknown Speaker (01:02:11.780)
Which is free to air all you can re-upload it. You can clip it out. You can make memes out of it
Unknown Speaker (01:02:16.800)
It's all copyright free the Alex show show and everything we do at info Wars calm
Unknown Speaker (01:02:22.280)
See, this is the double-edged sword of his desperation for memeing
Unknown Speaker (01:02:25.679)
It is a little bit is that he has to give blanket permission to people like us to be
Unknown Speaker (01:02:30.679)
Easy so I guess we're safe. All right, buddy. Yeah, so that was from a little
Unknown Speaker (01:02:37.099)
commercial that Alex inserted in of course
Unknown Speaker (01:02:40.639)
Of course he did. Why wouldn't he you gotta make money? Yeah, I don't actually even remember what this is about
Unknown Speaker (01:02:47.079)
This next clip. I doubt they do either. Oh, no now I remember
Unknown Speaker (01:02:50.840)
So they're talking about Joe's dog and how great this golden retriever is. Oh my god
Unknown Speaker (01:02:55.199)
Is Alex gonna kill his dog on air? I was worried about that. The rifle is right there. I know! He's swinging it around!
Unknown Speaker (01:03:02.960)
The dog isn't there
Unknown Speaker (01:03:04.199)
But they talk about how great Joe's dog is and the dog smiles and loves Joe and Alex gets mad because he starts thinking
Unknown Speaker (01:03:10.480)
about how like, you know some animal psychologists will say like what you think of as
Unknown Speaker (01:03:17.320)
happiness in an animal isn't always
Unknown Speaker (01:03:20.159)
Happiness. Right. A smile on a dog isn't necessarily happiness in the same way it is for humans. Alex gets kind of mad about this
Unknown Speaker (01:03:28.559)
That is a microcosm of his relationship to animals is his relationship to people. I don't understand why you don't think me! You're all
Unknown Speaker (01:03:36.920)
You're all nature. None of its nurture. Well, but but that's then but then they say they are up here though
Unknown Speaker (01:03:43.139)
They have souls. They have minds. They have decisions. Just you don't. He's talking about like the elites of psychiatry and what have you.
Unknown Speaker (01:03:51.119)
And it's an ultimate. They're in the lower class. We're in the lower class.
Unknown Speaker (01:03:54.880)
Elitism. What existed before the Germans and then in modern psychiatry and psychology
Unknown Speaker (01:03:59.199)
200 years ago, and so that's what I'm coming at here is it doesn't mean that the things they've created the list
Unknown Speaker (01:04:04.400)
They've made aren't real human traits
Unknown Speaker (01:04:06.400)
But it's really a cult a gill blocking us from the larger issue because your dog is magic. Your dog does have a soul
Unknown Speaker (01:04:12.599)
It does have an energy. It is smiling. You are interfacing. Dogs are psychic buffers way more psychic than we are
Unknown Speaker (01:04:19.119)
And so I'm saying is your dog is is the example of what humanity is to go towards instead of somebody like Bill Gates
Unknown Speaker (01:04:25.900)
Yeah, we should be less like Bill Gates and more like Rogan's dog. Jesus
Unknown Speaker (01:04:31.000)
Just it's meaningful. It's meaningful stuff. Just scream out. I don't want to learn that
Unknown Speaker (01:04:37.039)
That how dare they say something different than me? Well, like I'm not threatened by
Unknown Speaker (01:04:43.460)
Someone telling me that my cat smiling doesn't mean she's happy. Oh shit. What is it? What does it mean?
Unknown Speaker (01:04:48.639)
I'm not next question. I'm not threatened by the idea that her purring isn't always like showing love or happiness
Unknown Speaker (01:04:55.400)
How can I make it better right and I also don't question
Unknown Speaker (01:04:59.559)
The bond that we have like I'm not tied up in
Unknown Speaker (01:05:03.880)
Nope, if a psychiatrist said that that cat doesn't feel everything you think it's feeling all the time
Unknown Speaker (01:05:08.860)
That's because you don't have a soul. I'm not invested in projecting my feelings on to my pet friend
Unknown Speaker (01:05:15.519)
Yeah, I don't understand why people I don't know. I don't care. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's it's a thing
Unknown Speaker (01:05:22.880)
So Joe has been pretty shitty so far about the idea that people have valid criticism
Unknown Speaker (01:05:29.420)
Criticism right about Alex right right and in this next clip. I think this is like I really resent this
Unknown Speaker (01:05:35.820)
Listen, Alex, you got to think of what it's like to be a 23 year old kid
Unknown Speaker (01:05:39.340)
Who is friends with a bunch of other 23 year old kids that espouse a very rigid?
Unknown Speaker (01:05:45.579)
Ideology and when someone deviates from this ideology
Unknown Speaker (01:05:49.579)
Ideology and says maybe the guy's not a bad guy. Maybe he had like a psychotic moment. Maybe he had a bad time
Unknown Speaker (01:05:55.579)
Maybe maybe he believed it because he's seen so much
Unknown Speaker (01:06:00.199)
Bullshit, he's seen so many lies and maybe went crazy
Unknown Speaker (01:06:04.860)
Maybe you went crazy cuz he's on his own and because nobody wants to stand up and say hey
Unknown Speaker (01:06:11.460)
He's right about a lot of shit. So
Unknown Speaker (01:06:15.019)
He seemed like the the thing that he's saying is like psychotic is like a sandy hook stuff
Unknown Speaker (01:06:19.539)
Yeah, but like what Joe is presenting is this idea that like the only people who are really critiquing Alex or?
Unknown Speaker (01:06:27.139)
23 year olds who are socially uncomfortable with the fear that they have of saying hey
Unknown Speaker (01:06:32.980)
Maybe Alex is right about something. Yeah, that's
Unknown Speaker (01:06:36.300)
Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, that's very frustrating and and angering and
Unknown Speaker (01:06:41.179)
almost suggests a sort of distance from what people really live that could only really come about through a
Unknown Speaker (01:06:48.539)
hundred million dollars
Unknown Speaker (01:06:50.900)
And it's straw man straw man techniques in terms of like this is why people have a problem with you
Unknown Speaker (01:06:58.019)
It's because all their 23 year old friends are in a rigid
Unknown Speaker (01:07:01.860)
ideology it's it's crazy how I'm not even going to mention that maybe
Unknown Speaker (01:07:06.820)
People of color or women might have critiques of you. It's actually
Unknown Speaker (01:07:10.860)
23 year old men who are
Unknown Speaker (01:07:12.860)
Scared hurting their friends feeling. Yeah. Yeah by saying fuck you Alex has all those it's all those non
Unknown Speaker (01:07:20.380)
alpha men who aren't carrying a gun right now and smoking cigars and whining about how people don't respect
Unknown Speaker (01:07:26.820)
everything that we believe without questioning us like alphas do and the real problem is
Unknown Speaker (01:07:32.900)
That Alex got left out in the wilderness
Unknown Speaker (01:07:37.460)
That's the real problem even if you're wrong rather about some things
Unknown Speaker (01:07:41.019)
I meant well, you're a human being and your perspective is valuable
Unknown Speaker (01:07:44.860)
And one of the reasons why you were wrong about such things is because you were abandoned
Unknown Speaker (01:07:50.300)
There was so many people that didn't want to hitch their car up to your train because they were scared
Unknown Speaker (01:07:56.420)
They would get caught in the 9-11 conspiracy in the Bohemian Grove
Unknown Speaker (01:08:00.619)
Conspiracy and the fucking Bilderberg conspiracy. There was so many different things that led people down uncomfortable moments and uncomfortable
Unknown Speaker (01:08:07.980)
Conversations, they didn't want to be a part of it. So they just left you alone and
Unknown Speaker (01:08:13.500)
when people get
Unknown Speaker (01:08:16.060)
Abandoned by all of the other people around them that may
Unknown Speaker (01:08:20.539)
Possibly have an inkling that you are correct. You start going fucking crazy
Unknown Speaker (01:08:26.180)
Yeah, that look on your face was amazing. I'm so fucking mad
Unknown Speaker (01:08:30.579)
I'm so mad at that this okay. Okay, fine. I get it
Unknown Speaker (01:08:35.739)
We've all seen Good Will Hunting, you know, it's great to give the pep talk speech
Unknown Speaker (01:08:40.619)
But you know that was that was fucking Matt Damon as like a underappreciate
Unknown Speaker (01:08:45.060)
This is like giving that same pep talk speech to John Wayne Gacy and being like look a lot of people just don't
Unknown Speaker (01:08:50.819)
Understand why you're doing what you're doing man, but they're just not ready to challenge themselves. I I disagree here
Unknown Speaker (01:08:57.859)
Here's what I think. Mm-hmm. It would be like John Wayne Gacy
Unknown Speaker (01:09:01.380)
I haven't killed all those people. Yes, and then someone his friend being like look, you know
Unknown Speaker (01:09:07.739)
The problem was that you didn't have friends around you telling you not to dress up like a clown
Unknown Speaker (01:09:15.220)
You were abandoned
Unknown Speaker (01:09:18.659)
Didn't have people around you telling you not to report on Sandy Hook like that
Unknown Speaker (01:09:22.140)
Even though we have I don't know a deposition of Paul Joseph Watson saying I told him not to do this
Unknown Speaker (01:09:28.260)
There was that yeah, this is there was that this is this some bullshit
Unknown Speaker (01:09:31.420)
We were trying to make it not Alex's fault. They had done every bad thing. He's done in his career
Unknown Speaker (01:09:36.699)
These are the people who bitch about
Unknown Speaker (01:09:39.300)
participation trophies
Unknown Speaker (01:09:41.699)
This is the most like hey look just cuz you failed a million times
Unknown Speaker (01:09:46.539)
Upwards to the tune of millions of dollars now doesn't mean you're not still great. It's participation trophies and personal
Unknown Speaker (01:09:53.699)
responsibility and ideas like these people who think that's all they keep repeating and over and over and over again and
Unknown Speaker (01:10:01.199)
Here you have like Alex. It's not your fault. People just left you people just people left you on your own
Unknown Speaker (01:10:06.340)
And that's why you had to say that people were crisis actors who were grieving for their dead family members
Unknown Speaker (01:10:12.619)
yourself starting to think a lot of people's criticisms of
Unknown Speaker (01:10:16.979)
Entitled white men are right on. Yeah, but I'm probably just a 23 year old is worried
Unknown Speaker (01:10:21.619)
It could be that three-year-olds around me that it could be that you're right. Yeah, so when you are
Unknown Speaker (01:10:28.739)
Hearing something like Alex saying that he's not using Joe for exposure
Unknown Speaker (01:10:34.180)
How would you hear that?
Unknown Speaker (01:10:36.060)
Like a punch to the face and here's the deal
Unknown Speaker (01:10:39.899)
I'm not using you in this interview, but you're so big and the system
Unknown Speaker (01:10:43.939)
Likes wants to watch what you're doing so I can get messages through when you're on the show
Unknown Speaker (01:10:48.779)
so one of the things I wanted to say to the left is
Unknown Speaker (01:10:50.859)
I
Unknown Speaker (01:10:52.220)
Don't know about the left the average left person left us cool. I
Unknown Speaker (01:10:56.739)
Hear Alex say I'm not using you
Unknown Speaker (01:11:00.220)
But I know that more people will listen because you're here as him saying I'm using you now
Unknown Speaker (01:11:06.140)
I don't understand how you could be friends with Alex for this long without
Unknown Speaker (01:11:12.119)
Finding out his rhetorical trick of saying I'm not doing
Unknown Speaker (01:11:15.479)
But and then doing the thing yeah, because literally he does that every time Alex's son named his show
Unknown Speaker (01:11:22.840)
I'm not bragging as a joke
Unknown Speaker (01:11:25.640)
Exactly. I'm not doing this. I'm not using you. I'm doing this means. I'm using you
Unknown Speaker (01:11:32.359)
Yeah, every reason that I then explained. I don't hang out with him real life only on the context of this show
Unknown Speaker (01:11:38.859)
So occasionally yeah, uh and I picked up on that real fast, so I kept this clip in just because it's like
Unknown Speaker (01:11:46.220)
I think it's kind of indicative of
Unknown Speaker (01:11:49.220)
Some stretches of this episode where it's like what I was talking about earlier. It's like yeah, this is boring
Unknown Speaker (01:11:54.579)
Yeah, this is just them having a conversation that I don't care about but it goes on
Unknown Speaker (01:12:00.899)
You ever have a Kopi luat coffee
Unknown Speaker (01:12:04.779)
No, oh my god
Unknown Speaker (01:12:06.779)
That's
Unknown Speaker (01:12:08.140)
Not even a real razorback though Kopi luat coffee is coffee that comes from a civet
Unknown Speaker (01:12:13.939)
So the civet eats the coffee bar craps and shits them out
Unknown Speaker (01:12:17.859)
And then people collect them and clean them up and then sell them
Unknown Speaker (01:12:21.859)
And it makes the best fucking coffee ever when you said about tried it. I've heard of it. It's so good
Unknown Speaker (01:12:29.779)
It's really good
Unknown Speaker (01:12:31.779)
Like it's it's a cat like a civet is kind of a cat. It's like real close
Unknown Speaker (01:12:39.020)
By the way do you have a photograph of a civet by the way you have a ragdoll catch
Unknown Speaker (01:12:44.319)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:12:45.819)
Hold on. Let's look at a civet
Unknown Speaker (01:12:49.659)
Now I was trying to stalk you but but but I watched the show a lot today, and I'm going hey
Unknown Speaker (01:12:54.899)
You've got ragdoll catch tell Joe you've got him so I didn't know you had right this week this week
Unknown Speaker (01:12:59.460)
I was smart well. They're really relaxed pretty blue eyes. Yeah, there's your civet
Unknown Speaker (01:13:04.380)
yeah, so that animal shits out coffee beans and
Unknown Speaker (01:13:09.300)
Then it's super expensive. It's called Kopi luat. I've heard of it. Yeah, so is it really good
Unknown Speaker (01:13:18.340)
It's really good Wow
Unknown Speaker (01:13:21.060)
Great I've been on road trip. I've been on road trips with comics before yeah, and there is one
Unknown Speaker (01:13:26.760)
I will remember forever because the two people in the back just started having such a boring
Unknown Speaker (01:13:32.539)
Conversation while I was driving. I drove so much faster
Unknown Speaker (01:13:36.699)
Just cuz their conversation was boring
Unknown Speaker (01:13:40.060)
That is the worst. I would I would literally stop being friends with people who had that conversation
Unknown Speaker (01:13:47.260)
Yeah, I was listening to that
Unknown Speaker (01:13:48.420)
And I just sort of whoa there was a couple points and that was one of them where I was just sort of like rubbing
Unknown Speaker (01:13:53.779)
My temples Wow don't know what's going on. I got guys this this is what this is on purpose
Unknown Speaker (01:13:59.939)
It's gonna stop the global
Unknown Speaker (01:14:03.460)
You can edit things
Unknown Speaker (01:14:05.720)
Well Joe has a big message that he wants to get across on this episode and that is that we need to get rid of
Unknown Speaker (01:14:11.460)
tribalism and when he says tribalism
Unknown Speaker (01:14:13.699)
He's talking about the idea of looking at everybody as teams like Democrats Republicans
Unknown Speaker (01:14:18.340)
We need to get over that and start looking at each other as people who have ideas
Unknown Speaker (01:14:22.359)
And look at the ideas that each other have and if I have a better idea than your idea
Unknown Speaker (01:14:26.960)
Then my idea will win and you will then have my idea all I hear is I would like people to stop
Unknown Speaker (01:14:32.479)
Criticizing rich white men maybe that could be it
Unknown Speaker (01:14:35.039)
We are dealing with the remnants of a savage past when people kill people with stone
Unknown Speaker (01:14:43.000)
Axe tools and now we do it with chemtrails and vaccines
Unknown Speaker (01:14:47.720)
Slow down my point is
Unknown Speaker (01:14:50.199)
Is
Unknown Speaker (01:14:51.560)
We're connected with this idea that we have to
Unknown Speaker (01:14:56.359)
absolutely have to
Unknown Speaker (01:14:58.159)
Be in opposition with each other. I don't think I'm sure bloods. That's dumb. It's nonsense
Unknown Speaker (01:15:05.000)
That's the weakness. The weakness is not like
Unknown Speaker (01:15:09.319)
flip-flopping or
Unknown Speaker (01:15:10.920)
Reconsidering your opinions. The real weakness is the really thinking that people that are just
Unknown Speaker (01:15:16.640)
Marginally different from you in terms of the way they look at things that those people your enemy
Unknown Speaker (01:15:23.279)
We have to stop seeing each other as the enemy, but that's what I want. Just
Unknown Speaker (01:15:27.079)
Talk, do you know who you're talking to?
Unknown Speaker (01:15:30.880)
Alex spends all of his time talking about how his imaginary enemies are like working for the literal devil
Unknown Speaker (01:15:36.800)
Yeah, like this is a fine point that he's making but it's farcical to be making it while sitting next to Alex fucking Jones
Unknown Speaker (01:15:44.800)
Like hey, you know what you should do after this. You should ask him what he thinks about Democrats
Unknown Speaker (01:15:49.880)
What does he think?
Unknown Speaker (01:15:51.359)
He thinks they're all demons. He thinks that they're literally possessed by demons
Unknown Speaker (01:15:57.199)
Yep. Wow. Yeah Wow. Oh my god. I mean sure it's a it's a it's a fine thought the
Unknown Speaker (01:16:04.399)
Alex does agree with him
Unknown Speaker (01:16:06.880)
he would like that to be the
Unknown Speaker (01:16:09.640)
Perfect world and it can only come about in an all-white nation
Unknown Speaker (01:16:14.319)
It seems like that's kind of the tribalism that I would like to Christian. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:16:20.819)
On those tribalism parts that he kind of focuses on maybe those tribalism parts are the worst ones
Unknown Speaker (01:16:27.420)
No, we start with we have to overcome it though as Joe is
Unknown Speaker (01:16:32.859)
Very repetitively pointing. Thanks. I think the thing that is
Unknown Speaker (01:16:37.859)
most
Unknown Speaker (01:16:40.000)
Difficult to overcome in our pursuit
Unknown Speaker (01:16:43.119)
For the understanding of the reality of the universe white male hedge money behavior. Oh
Unknown Speaker (01:16:49.680)
That there's a team that's in opposition to you and your beliefs which are righteous and true and good
Unknown Speaker (01:16:56.319)
But if I don't have tribalism somebody's gonna overtake me so I don't like tribalism as a necessary evil
Unknown Speaker (01:17:01.319)
Like I don't want a government that I need a strong enough government that has limited government to protect me from try radical governments, right? I understand
Unknown Speaker (01:17:08.640)
I think maybe the solution is an understanding of tribalism and then an agreement to never engage in it and
Unknown Speaker (01:17:16.699)
When people do engage in it, you should look at those people as being foolish
Unknown Speaker (01:17:20.899)
I agree, so we need a lot of good versus bad. Yeah positive versus sin
Unknown Speaker (01:17:25.739)
Look not the Christian cosmology of sin. What is a sin against humanity? I think lying I think being a chicken shit
Unknown Speaker (01:17:32.800)
I think me a coward. Yeah. Yeah, so what's evil Alex?
Unknown Speaker (01:17:38.119)
I find you guilty of your own sins against humanity
Unknown Speaker (01:17:41.619)
You know what? I love to listen to two dumber people have a
Unknown Speaker (01:17:47.180)
Conversation that was famous for happening
Unknown Speaker (01:17:50.680)
2,500 years ago
Unknown Speaker (01:17:52.680)
This is the exact... what are we doing?
Unknown Speaker (01:17:59.000)
This is the problem with so much like online based discourse and like the the whole the sort of
Unknown Speaker (01:18:06.619)
Debates that happen like among people who are self-taught
Unknown Speaker (01:18:10.020)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:18:10.420)
Like she was good a lot of the times you don't realize that these ideas that you think are so
Unknown Speaker (01:18:15.819)
Revolutionary are things you might encounter in your first year in college
Unknown Speaker (01:18:19.079)
Yeah, like there is so much past these points that they're getting to where their minds are blown
Unknown Speaker (01:18:24.020)
But also I mean like I would take Rogan like as a good faith actor sure
Unknown Speaker (01:18:29.060)
Sure, and I would say that okay. Now. This is interesting. Okay now
Unknown Speaker (01:18:35.779)
There we go Joe you are on the right track buddy
Unknown Speaker (01:18:39.779)
Now what does it mean for you to say that we should disincentivize people to act tribally
Unknown Speaker (01:18:44.739)
And then if people do begin to act tribally we should look at them as fools. Yes
Unknown Speaker (01:18:50.939)
it means that how is society organized and what we need to do is
Unknown Speaker (01:18:57.140)
Give people a fine
Unknown Speaker (01:18:59.659)
For engaging in behavior with groups larger than a thousand wait wait
Unknown Speaker (01:19:04.100)
So now we have to have a fine for being foolish for being a fool
Unknown Speaker (01:19:10.140)
This is not enforceable in any way
Unknown Speaker (01:19:12.619)
And if you tried it would get so out of hand
Unknown Speaker (01:19:18.220)
It would be absolutely used to crack down on vulnerable populations trying to band together
Unknown Speaker (01:19:23.340)
But they don't think about that because they've never been the vulnerable population getting cracked down on but they do think that they are of course
Unknown Speaker (01:19:29.359)
They guess they're conservatives who are so fucking shadow banned
Unknown Speaker (01:19:32.380)
You know the reason I used to here's what I used to think that has just been blown away by this very conversation
Unknown Speaker (01:19:38.859)
the reason I thought people who have spent their entire lives studying this type of thing having a
Unknown Speaker (01:19:44.819)
Conversation and that becoming popular the reason I thought the the thing that blocked that for me
Unknown Speaker (01:19:49.260)
I thought was that it would be too dry. It would be too
Unknown Speaker (01:19:53.180)
Boring, you know, but this conversation is more boring than anything I can think of
Unknown Speaker (01:19:57.460)
Yeah, this is tragically boring and more people are gonna watch that then two people who've spent their entire life studying these questions
Unknown Speaker (01:20:05.060)
Yeah, I have I don't know it's tough for me to say because I guess I'm not a normal person
Unknown Speaker (01:20:10.939)
Necessarily and I am you know, 36
Unknown Speaker (01:20:13.100)
I'm on a different period of my life is maybe the target demographic of Joe Rogan. Sure
Unknown Speaker (01:20:18.260)
But like 23 year old meatheads, I suppose. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:20:21.979)
Who are afraid of yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:20:23.539)
I think a lot of people think of like college lectures and like academic conversation to be really boring
Unknown Speaker (01:20:30.439)
But this is fucking boring. This is incredibly boring. Yes, and the difference is if you engage with the academic stuff
Unknown Speaker (01:20:37.640)
You probably learn something. It's amazing. You're not gonna learn anything from this
Unknown Speaker (01:20:41.439)
No other than I think Joe's a little bit disappointed in Alex
Unknown Speaker (01:20:45.479)
Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:20:45.720)
because when when Joe's talking about this need to overcome tribalism and Alex is like
Unknown Speaker (01:20:50.279)
I need my tribe to fight back against any other it try
Unknown Speaker (01:20:53.479)
Yeah, I think there's a sense of Joe being like you don't get it
Unknown Speaker (01:20:57.020)
You don't get the higher-level thing that I'm imagining. Yeah granted what he's imagining is a stupid
Unknown Speaker (01:21:05.859)
But he has no idea how to attain you just can't see my flying Pegasus world and it's disappointing to me
Unknown Speaker (01:21:13.220)
Yeah, no
Unknown Speaker (01:21:14.739)
But despite all that disappointment, I mean the two of them are friends and we can prove it
Unknown Speaker (01:21:20.140)
Well, yeah, like two years later. We shot a video. Yeah during the contested election
Unknown Speaker (01:21:23.979)
Making fun of the bushes. Well you and I dressed up I dressed up like
Unknown Speaker (01:21:29.539)
See, I just have a junior junior senior. Yeah, and I was in a wheelchair and we
Unknown Speaker (01:21:36.260)
Went running around
Unknown Speaker (01:21:38.100)
Was the capital the capital and we smoked a little weed allegedly every single time these two talk this story comes up
Unknown Speaker (01:21:45.060)
Wow, which leads me to suspect that maybe there aren't that many memories. Yeah, that kind of suggests maybe
Unknown Speaker (01:21:50.520)
Maybe
Unknown Speaker (01:21:52.140)
They got high and ran around the capital and masks
Unknown Speaker (01:21:54.819)
You know
Unknown Speaker (01:21:55.460)
I think that the basis like the stories for any friendship and that you that you share
Unknown Speaker (01:22:01.180)
Should not be I guess you had to be their stories, you know, because this story is one where I'm like, I
Unknown Speaker (01:22:08.819)
Maybe if I was there it would be funny, but this is no
Unknown Speaker (01:22:11.979)
I mean, I've seen it they videotaped it cool. I've watched it was still 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:22:17.340)
Oh, I mean I you've had experiences like that with friends
Unknown Speaker (01:22:20.859)
You can extrapolate like how much fun that much sure sure and it was like, you know, 99 2000
Unknown Speaker (01:22:27.199)
It's just you're free, you know, like it's such a different time
Unknown Speaker (01:22:33.460)
Maybe a few years. Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker (01:22:36.619)
Just think it's kind of depressing. Yeah, I've heard this on other podcasts to like people who only have one story
Unknown Speaker (01:22:43.020)
Yeah, and every time this guest is on that story comes up. Yes. It's like, huh? Yeah get a new story guys live
Unknown Speaker (01:22:50.460)
Stop talking and live. Yeah, so in this next clip we get again another thing another instance of this
Unknown Speaker (01:22:59.260)
mentality that Alex has where he wants to be like
Unknown Speaker (01:23:03.140)
Rogan with this like yeah, we need to get rid of all this tribalism stuff, but I also need mine
Unknown Speaker (01:23:07.859)
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't have a hundred million dollars and and this is this is Alex expressing that like, you know
Unknown Speaker (01:23:15.739)
His nationalism is basically a cult
Unknown Speaker (01:23:18.340)
Yeah, but he needs that call well because he imagines that his enemies are also a cult
Unknown Speaker (01:23:22.979)
Well, and so he needs his call to fight their call. But yeah, I'm
Unknown Speaker (01:23:27.420)
Creating my own enemy in order to destroy myself
Unknown Speaker (01:23:30.140)
I don't understand what you don't understand and I'm creating my own enemy to justify really fucked up things
Unknown Speaker (01:23:35.819)
I want exactly we have to use our own nationalism which has failed and has problems and it's cultic
Unknown Speaker (01:23:41.699)
But our cults better than their cult humans organizing cults. It's our nature. I agree. We should transcend it
Unknown Speaker (01:23:47.300)
You're at that point Joe. I can see up on the mountain. I get where you're going
Unknown Speaker (01:23:51.539)
I'm just saying well, you're in a crisis though
Unknown Speaker (01:23:53.899)
It's like the lower brain
Unknown Speaker (01:23:54.939)
It is the nationalist called a free market money and family and God and runs and everything
Unknown Speaker (01:24:00.979)
It's gonna counter the chai comms where man you work 18 hours a day if you complain your ass is dead
Unknown Speaker (01:24:05.779)
yeah, because the global model is communist China and
Unknown Speaker (01:24:09.180)
All I'm saying is they're taking over. So what do we do about that?
Unknown Speaker (01:24:14.899)
Good response Joe first of all, whenever you're in a situation where you're coming at me
Unknown Speaker (01:24:22.739)
for global advice
Unknown Speaker (01:24:25.260)
We got real problems. I think there's a humility in Joe's response. I appreciate that, you know, like come on
Unknown Speaker (01:24:31.859)
Why the fuck are you asking me for a solution now? Unfortunately?
Unknown Speaker (01:24:36.140)
He does continue and give an idea. Well, I mean he can't not and he should have stopped it
Unknown Speaker (01:24:41.779)
You shouldn't ask me because this is dumb
Unknown Speaker (01:24:44.779)
But honestly, I do look at it like when you say like what do we do about it?
Unknown Speaker (01:24:49.739)
If you could wave a magic wand
Unknown Speaker (01:24:53.579)
You'd make them all do mushrooms all of them. Just all of them
Unknown Speaker (01:24:58.340)
Everybody anybody in a position of power anybody locked into an ideology
Unknown Speaker (01:25:04.100)
Anybody who believes nonsense anybody who believes things that they know aren't true clean
Unknown Speaker (01:25:11.060)
But they'll fight for them. Do you know people that know that the things they believe aren't true? How dare you?
Unknown Speaker (01:25:16.819)
They'll get angry you and how dare you there's a weird
Unknown Speaker (01:25:19.939)
How fucking dare you that if more people took hallucinogens they would but but then someone go crazy someone go crazy
Unknown Speaker (01:25:27.220)
Yeah, yeah, some kids break their legs. You see like an Islamic leader. You can tell they've never taken it. What? Wow
Unknown Speaker (01:25:34.380)
What? Wow, what? Yeah, no, no Muslims have ever tripped or something
Unknown Speaker (01:25:40.020)
This is I mean, this is embarrassing. That's spectacular. This is like Joe Rogan's like 50 no
Unknown Speaker (01:25:46.739)
No, no, he is late 40s. He did somebody's got to be true
Unknown Speaker (01:25:51.420)
He is something I never thought anyone could do which is he took the four ways to learn and really condensed it still further
Unknown Speaker (01:25:59.300)
Down one one way fungus mushrooms. Yeah. All right. All right. So here's how we solve Israel, Palestine
Unknown Speaker (01:26:06.380)
He's gonna be like great. That's gotta be like a joke. It's gotta be his brand. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:26:10.779)
I mean, yeah, you could really know. No, he's just doing like I imagine if your job is to essentially be high all the time
Unknown Speaker (01:26:18.899)
You know, yeah, you've got to lean into it, you know
Unknown Speaker (01:26:22.539)
Benson didn't stop doing weed jokes just cuz he got to 50 plus right, you know
Unknown Speaker (01:26:27.500)
I've done mushrooms and it is a fun experience, you know, and under the right circumstances
Unknown Speaker (01:26:32.979)
Sure. I also know a lot of shitheads who've done a lot of mushrooms. Yes
Unknown Speaker (01:26:37.180)
It doesn't it they are all for universal basic income. I don't know if they are it does not solve anything
Unknown Speaker (01:26:43.939)
It's not a miracle cure. No, it's not like oh if you're living in a contradiction you take mushrooms. It's
Unknown Speaker (01:26:50.220)
That's how it always works. Kind of hippie-dippie bullshit is every story that I've ever heard about
Unknown Speaker (01:26:56.300)
Hallucinogenics has been oh man. It's straightened out my political philosophy. Huh? That's what it did made sure all those
Unknown Speaker (01:27:04.260)
Inconsistencies I had in my head just went away resolved everything
Unknown Speaker (01:27:09.300)
Hey, what was the thing that I thought most on my trip was just like a progressive tax policy does work as intended
Unknown Speaker (01:27:16.979)
I expect this like in a bong circle with a guy coming out of the mouth of someone wearing like
Unknown Speaker (01:27:23.460)
blown glass necklace on a
Unknown Speaker (01:27:26.579)
Braid, you know, that's what I expect. I don't expect this out of a hundred million mayor
Unknown Speaker (01:27:32.140)
Yeah, yeah, who's almost 50 she's have some dignity
Unknown Speaker (01:27:37.619)
What he didn't get to be a hundred millionaire by having dignity or learning things
Unknown Speaker (01:27:41.420)
He got to a hundred million by being a guy who took shrooms
Unknown Speaker (01:27:50.260)
Especially the people who believe things that aren't true like the person I'm sitting right next to why do we always make the people most?
Unknown Speaker (01:27:57.060)
Deserving as of a slap to the face of the most famous and rich people available and good at martial arts
Unknown Speaker (01:28:06.539)
This next clip Alex reveals that he's probably taken some hallucinogens
Unknown Speaker (01:28:10.039)
He might have even done acid with Joey be a watch out or he got dosed by Joey Diaz and pissed his pants one
Unknown Speaker (01:28:17.060)
Where the other one was that you have you invited me to in Houston like eight nine years ago with Joey Diaz
Unknown Speaker (01:28:22.380)
Well, didn't you guys allegedly do acid allegedly?
Unknown Speaker (01:28:24.840)
Well
Unknown Speaker (01:28:27.720)
No, let's go back Joey Diaz
Unknown Speaker (01:28:32.140)
Joey Diaz hands me a cookie in Houston
Unknown Speaker (01:28:40.500)
Couldn't get out of the chair
Unknown Speaker (01:28:42.500)
I'm sitting I'm watching the whole day
Unknown Speaker (01:28:53.619)
That's where God did we go to dinner that night we did yeah, I was like crawling around the ground and you couldn't
Unknown Speaker (01:29:01.539)
Pillar of Christianity
Unknown Speaker (01:29:03.579)
Destroyer of globalists. Yep. I who got dosed by Joey Diaz and pissed his pants at a UFC fight
Unknown Speaker (01:29:09.760)
Alex Jones
Unknown Speaker (01:29:13.640)
See now that's where I would like to be
Unknown Speaker (01:29:16.319)
I want to see Joey Diaz roast Alex while he's tripping. That would be hilarious
Unknown Speaker (01:29:22.359)
I can't I can't provide that while he's tripping but there was a time like way back when Joey Diaz came to
Unknown Speaker (01:29:28.880)
Infowars Studios with Rogan. I did not know that. Yeah, we can cover that in a future episode
Unknown Speaker (01:29:33.960)
Like a good one. I like a good DS. It's really tough though because he's screaming at Alex. Well, that sounds right
Unknown Speaker (01:29:40.960)
It's something that I've always thought about like, yeah, maybe we'll do that for an episode
Unknown Speaker (01:29:44.399)
But I remember way back. I tried to prepare it and it was just like holy shit. This is incoherent
Unknown Speaker (01:29:50.920)
But maybe
Unknown Speaker (01:29:54.560)
My pants
Unknown Speaker (01:29:56.560)
I dosed Alex with way too much THC and he smells like piss
Unknown Speaker (01:30:11.439)
Anyway in this next clip Joe, this is this is another instance where I take him to task
Unknown Speaker (01:30:17.439)
I think that this is him revealing what his goals were with having Alex on his podcast
Unknown Speaker (01:30:24.520)
Mm-hmm, and I would say that this is not what he does
Unknown Speaker (01:30:28.479)
One of the goals that and this is real
Unknown Speaker (01:30:31.479)
one of the goals that what I wanted to achieve is
Unknown Speaker (01:30:35.279)
To have people consider that there's people that have wildly different ideas that you do that may be good guys
Unknown Speaker (01:30:42.039)
so there's maybe these people that have ideas of you and I wanted them to consider that maybe
Unknown Speaker (01:30:47.960)
That's a good guy. And if you and Alex were hanging out with me and Eddie Bravo
Unknown Speaker (01:30:54.720)
And we were all in a room together. We would be fucking laughing. We would be laughing hard
Unknown Speaker (01:30:59.560)
We'd be having a lot of fun. We'd be it would be fun. It'd be ridiculous
Unknown Speaker (01:31:04.399)
And if you're not in that room, it's easy to judge. Well, guess what guess who's not in that room
Unknown Speaker (01:31:10.279)
The millions of people who are watching. Yeah, you're you're saying like oh, yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:31:14.960)
I just wanted to show that it's a fun experience to hang out with Alex Jones. Mm-hmm. But meanwhile
Unknown Speaker (01:31:21.279)
The people who are watching aren't gonna have that fun experience
Unknown Speaker (01:31:24.199)
What they are going to see is me fumble and accidentally validate all of the lies that he's trying to disseminate
Unknown Speaker (01:31:30.479)
Yeah, and hey, man
Unknown Speaker (01:31:31.640)
Like I don't know I was Paul pot a fun guy to drink with could you have done a podcast with him?
Unknown Speaker (01:31:36.760)
Like I know that's probably an extreme example, but like yeah, okay
Unknown Speaker (01:31:40.720)
Yeah, you can get along with people who are like gerbils. Yeah fun. I don't know. I don't know
Unknown Speaker (01:31:47.520)
Let's let's hope we never find out don't I don't think so
Unknown Speaker (01:31:50.760)
I just don't think he was that kind of guy probably not but you know, what is a real Sudoku guy?
Unknown Speaker (01:31:55.600)
He wasn't really a hangout Joe is basically saying that his goal was to launder Alex
Unknown Speaker (01:32:01.199)
To his audience by virtue of seeing how how much fun we can hang out with
Unknown Speaker (01:32:05.199)
Furthermore. Hey, fuck you. How about fuck you you would have fun if you were in a room with me and Alex Jones and Eddie Bravo
Unknown Speaker (01:32:12.520)
What if you were a fucking Muslim woman not much not much fun
Unknown Speaker (01:32:16.960)
No to have the guy across from you who is saying shit like I want you to die
Unknown Speaker (01:32:20.960)
Yeah a trans person. What if you were not a white guy? Yeah, huh? Well Eddie's a
Unknown Speaker (01:32:26.720)
Person of color. Okay. Anyway, look, here's what I would say Eddie's Eddie
Unknown Speaker (01:32:31.539)
Here's what I would say
Unknown Speaker (01:32:34.859)
If this was your goal
Unknown Speaker (01:32:37.420)
Then you have a responsibility to not allow Alex to talk about anything conspiracy related anything political on your show
Unknown Speaker (01:32:43.539)
Yep, if your goal was just to talk about how fun Alex is you guys have an interview and a talk?
Unknown Speaker (01:32:50.140)
We get drunk and talk about college football and high school and like talk about that stuff
Unknown Speaker (01:32:55.460)
Yeah, you do not talk about the globalists
Unknown Speaker (01:32:57.659)
You don't talk about his bullshit because then that intersects with where his misinformation is and you especially don't turn it into a call back
Unknown Speaker (01:33:04.420)
No, you can always go back to and say hey look we had him on our show and he checked out
Unknown Speaker (01:33:10.539)
Mm-hmm. So if you if you think something's wrong, I'll tell you he checked out when I looked at you
Unknown Speaker (01:33:15.060)
It's a perfect case of wanting to play both games at the same time
Unknown Speaker (01:33:18.659)
yeah, it's like I wanted to show the world that you were fun by getting fucked up with you and
Unknown Speaker (01:33:24.020)
and tacitly supporting your conspiracies
Unknown Speaker (01:33:27.100)
like that's not that's not
Unknown Speaker (01:33:28.579)
You can't pretend that you're fact-checking him and showing that he's fun because you're doing neither
Unknown Speaker (01:33:33.220)
It's almost as though he grew up kind of choosing the path of least resistance
Unknown Speaker (01:33:38.779)
You know to just kind of get along with everybody around him and just kind of not make
Unknown Speaker (01:33:45.060)
Your identity that could be how you form your identity damn
Unknown Speaker (01:33:48.020)
So I will say that Joe is not comfortable with how much Alex wants to talk about how famous he is
Unknown Speaker (01:33:54.539)
What is it like to be?
Unknown Speaker (01:33:56.180)
You know the the main Oracle because you can say like, you know, Jimmy Carson was this guy
Unknown Speaker (01:34:01.560)
I mean older Cronkite was that guy you're kind of that fuse together on a first
Unknown Speaker (01:34:04.800)
You have the audience are bigger when every other media has been atomized
Unknown Speaker (01:34:08.460)
But in force is a close second or whatever, but this matters not about that
Unknown Speaker (01:34:12.020)
You're in the position of being the Oracle does that like an Oracle Adelphi right now?
Unknown Speaker (01:34:16.460)
Well, you're definitely not helping me with your weird description of what I do cuz it's not accurate nor is it respectful
Unknown Speaker (01:34:24.100)
It's ridiculous. He's a little bit more playful when he's saying it's it sounded like he was actually saying that's disrespect
Unknown Speaker (01:34:34.460)
But he is uncomfortable and he should be that's fucking weird
Unknown Speaker (01:34:38.100)
yeah, I would not be comfortable with that Joe interviews people and has
Unknown Speaker (01:34:42.260)
In formal conversations that go too long and yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:34:46.819)
You're the Oracle of Delphi. Yeah, you're basically Walter Cronkite and
Unknown Speaker (01:34:51.060)
Jimmy Carson Oh
Unknown Speaker (01:34:53.300)
Jimmy Carson. Oh, man. He had some of those great jokes
Unknown Speaker (01:34:57.060)
He used to wear a where a turban Joe Rogan actually was on Jimmy Carson. He got waved over to the love seat
Unknown Speaker (01:35:05.220)
Made his career overnight success
Unknown Speaker (01:35:08.300)
Oh, we got in at the store. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:35:14.140)
Oh
Unknown Speaker (01:35:16.020)
Jimmy Carson
Unknown Speaker (01:35:17.619)
So one of the things that I think was a big point that I made early on in our podcast
Unknown Speaker (01:35:23.060)
And I maybe make it less now because I don't like him nearly as much as I used to yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:35:28.539)
Not to say that I used to like Alex, but I certainly dislike him more. Yes. Yes
Unknown Speaker (01:35:32.579)
I actively dislike him a lot more. Yeah, but one thing that I still do believe but I think is probably less important
Unknown Speaker (01:35:39.859)
Is that the role that he used to fill is kind of a good role in society?
Unknown Speaker (01:35:45.739)
The kind of guy who will freak you out and maybe it's your brother's friend or something who tells you about the CIA
Unknown Speaker (01:35:54.020)
Or whatever sure. Sure. Sure. That is a voice that there is a place for in society
Unknown Speaker (01:35:59.699)
Mm-hmm a conspiracy theorist who you know doesn't behave the way that Alex does the guy who's not also
Unknown Speaker (01:36:06.340)
Who can't hurt anybody a complete racist bigot monster and semi throwing around demon shit all the time
Unknown Speaker (01:36:13.420)
You know somebody without malice. Yeah. Yeah, there is a place for that
Unknown Speaker (01:36:18.220)
Yeah, and I think Joe like he touches on like why?
Unknown Speaker (01:36:22.739)
Alex has anything and it's because there was a place that he fit in before
Unknown Speaker (01:36:29.380)
You've taught me a lot of things and this is very important. Like like I said earlier on the show about
Unknown Speaker (01:36:36.579)
people using
Unknown Speaker (01:36:38.779)
other
Unknown Speaker (01:36:41.180)
Departments or other
Unknown Speaker (01:36:43.579)
law enforcement or whatever to start smashing
Unknown Speaker (01:36:46.659)
Polite protests and turning them into violent protests like until you showed me all that stuff about agent provocateurs
Unknown Speaker (01:36:53.100)
I really had no idea that anybody would ever think like that. I had this naive perspective
Unknown Speaker (01:36:58.340)
I think a lot of people have that people that are in government and people that are in
Unknown Speaker (01:37:05.140)
Leadership they really just want the best for the citizens
Unknown Speaker (01:37:09.460)
So there is there is a role that can be filled of like
Unknown Speaker (01:37:13.260)
Discussing these kinds of topics. They often aren't
Unknown Speaker (01:37:17.020)
necessarily front and center sure there there's a value to that
Unknown Speaker (01:37:21.539)
Yeah, but unfortunately the double-edge of this clip is it so clearly demonstrates
Unknown Speaker (01:37:27.460)
Why what Alex is doing nowadays is useless. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:37:30.619)
Like yes in the 90s Alex woke you up to the idea of agent provocateurs, right?
Unknown Speaker (01:37:37.100)
That is his niche, right? That's what he should be right? He
Unknown Speaker (01:37:40.819)
Strayed too far and ended up being a guy who can shift into psychic spaces
Unknown Speaker (01:37:47.020)
And his lore is a little too complicated now his skill set is absurd
Unknown Speaker (01:37:51.939)
Yeah, he's a show that went on too long. He's ending the way Game of Thrones did
Unknown Speaker (01:37:56.300)
I think he's a victim of his own success. Yeah, right like he
Unknown Speaker (01:38:00.979)
Whatever the reason he got like millions of dollars and ended up in that flashy ass studio
Unknown Speaker (01:38:06.699)
Mm-hmm. It's the detriment of his career. Like he could probably have lived out a pretty
Unknown Speaker (01:38:12.140)
successful
Unknown Speaker (01:38:13.500)
Making a good living being a conspiracy theory talk-show host
Unknown Speaker (01:38:18.859)
But he got too big for his britches and now this is embarrassing. No comedians are funnier when they're on the bus
Unknown Speaker (01:38:23.340)
I never I've never dreamt of being like famous
Unknown Speaker (01:38:27.060)
I've always just wanted to be a comic who lived his life as like a comic like I want to live comic life
Unknown Speaker (01:38:32.699)
I don't want to make a comic show
Unknown Speaker (01:38:34.699)
I want to live comic life. I don't want millions. I don't I definitely don't want a hundred million enough. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:38:39.939)
Yeah, having too much might end up being
Unknown Speaker (01:38:44.100)
It might make you unable to do
Unknown Speaker (01:38:47.140)
Whatever it is
Unknown Speaker (01:38:47.960)
You need to do because once you start going down this road and you start worrying about like pill sales
Unknown Speaker (01:38:53.979)
And all this you start to think about like what are the things that I'm doing that gets the most attention?
Unknown Speaker (01:38:58.539)
For sure and then you know, it's no longer. Hey, here's a boring conversation about the reality of
Unknown Speaker (01:39:06.020)
Agent provocateurs and what you need to know about the history of this tactic, right?
Unknown Speaker (01:39:11.020)
It now becomes everybody is pretending that they have relatives who have died
Unknown Speaker (01:39:15.140)
Yeah, because it's exciting because it excites the internet and it gets a traffic
Unknown Speaker (01:39:19.199)
Yeah, because your incentive is no longer to educate or whatever if that was his attention at the beginning
Unknown Speaker (01:39:26.539)
I guess it's it's now a marketing base. Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's you know
Unknown Speaker (01:39:32.619)
the idea of not trying to be a millionaire and doing every single possible step you can take to get there is a
Unknown Speaker (01:39:41.140)
Radical socialist commie bullshit Dan and you're on my list fair enough. So whereas Alex
Unknown Speaker (01:39:48.819)
30 years ago turned Joe on to agent provocateurs
Unknown Speaker (01:39:53.340)
This is what he does now. I'm in Arizona three weeks ago. I got a call from the White House
Unknown Speaker (01:39:59.060)
High level high level. Well, I mean, you know a Trump son
Unknown Speaker (01:40:05.300)
Secret, I'll just say it's all about name dropping too late. Oh you need to look into
Unknown Speaker (01:40:11.819)
Dominion and communist China and Switzerland all the stuff
Unknown Speaker (01:40:15.539)
We'll call this guy. This guy calls me up from like this big company
Unknown Speaker (01:40:19.619)
He tells me all this stuff. And so I hire a company look at it. We get all the SEC documents
Unknown Speaker (01:40:24.300)
They're on him forwards all the news today
Unknown Speaker (01:40:26.260)
And but this is I asked him I said
Unknown Speaker (01:40:29.260)
Why are you telling me this and they all we've chosen you as the conduit?
Unknown Speaker (01:40:32.819)
I'm almost like is that to discredit it because they've said I'm just right
Unknown Speaker (01:40:37.260)
That's the thing like they can do that with someone so he that's full of shit that he just took that from
Unknown Speaker (01:40:43.300)
Q and on yeah Twitter accounts and stuff. That was just a
Unknown Speaker (01:40:46.359)
The conspiracy that he he laundered but it's interesting there at the end when he's talking about like are they doing this to discredit me?
Unknown Speaker (01:40:54.220)
Yeah, that moment of self-reflection was very strange. Why would Trump's son do that?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:00.500)
You forgot that you said that he was your source. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:41:05.100)
It does make sense if you think that they're trying to discredit
Unknown Speaker (01:41:08.659)
He's just lying and telling these intriguing stories to Joe to keep his attention. Yeah, and he just keeps lying
Unknown Speaker (01:41:14.619)
What are the what's the percentage of people that vote?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:18.220)
Usually it's about 60% in a national election about 49% in an off-year election up down to 40
Unknown Speaker (01:41:24.739)
But with the whole metric with Trump they had a overturn of about 90% Democrat how many percent Republican turn on?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:31.100)
Yeah, how many what they had 9% Democrat turn 90?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:34.659)
Never has been statistically fake. It's never happened. It's a 90% fraud proof though. They just used all Democrat voters, right?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:40.579)
But do you know that for a fact?
Unknown Speaker (01:41:42.579)
Yes, they had like 87% of Democrats audio
Unknown Speaker (01:41:45.979)
In the 2020 election there was a 66.7% voter turnout
Unknown Speaker (01:41:50.380)
Alex is just making shit up and saying it confidently which allows him to lie to Joe's face and not get called on it
Unknown Speaker (01:41:56.859)
Because Joe is attached to the messenger and Alex knows that he's exploiting it
Unknown Speaker (01:42:03.539)
Yeah, but the end goal is attention. The end goal is attention
Unknown Speaker (01:42:08.100)
He lies to Joe in order to disseminate this information and because Joe doesn't have the wherewithal to push back on it
Unknown Speaker (01:42:14.500)
Be like fuck yourself. There's no way there was a 90%
Unknown Speaker (01:42:17.819)
Democrat turnout what the fuck are you talking about?
Unknown Speaker (01:42:20.539)
Because he doesn't have that or maybe he doesn't want to cause conflict or whatever
Unknown Speaker (01:42:24.859)
Whatever reason these talking points end up being laundered to Joe's audience
Unknown Speaker (01:42:29.220)
Yep, if people look up to Joe and they respect him he's sitting there and he's allowing this point to stand tacit endorsement
Unknown Speaker (01:42:36.300)
Yeah, exactly. But again, the goal is attention and you can see that very clearly
Unknown Speaker (01:42:42.220)
in this clip
Unknown Speaker (01:42:43.739)
Imagine being like the hot chick back in like 1963 the cum dump
Unknown Speaker (01:42:49.819)
Well, let's look at it in a respectful way Alex the hot chick Christ back in 62
Unknown Speaker (01:42:57.340)
When there wasn't that many of them, you know, there wasn't no Instagram models Marilyn cum dump or uh, how dare you?
Unknown Speaker (01:43:04.659)
You keep saying that
Unknown Speaker (01:43:07.460)
The main goal there is let me on what's that? This is like the mean goal is beyond the mean gold, okay
Unknown Speaker (01:43:15.380)
Well, that's the cringiest shit
Unknown Speaker (01:43:17.979)
I've ever heard just he's so tickled by the idea that him saying cum dump is gonna be mean gold
Unknown Speaker (01:43:24.899)
Well, oh they're gonna be this so I can't think of it. I don't want you to play this on our show
Unknown Speaker (01:43:31.899)
It's really discussed. It's disgusting. Yeah. Oh
Unknown Speaker (01:43:36.380)
There's two different kinds of disgusting. There's the obvious disgusting. Oh, yeah, and then there's the disgusting of like
Unknown Speaker (01:43:42.500)
how
Unknown Speaker (01:43:43.899)
Transparently pathetic is this like how badly you want someone to make a meme?
Unknown Speaker (01:43:47.979)
Yeah out of you so much to make a meme of all the times. He's desperately begging to have memes made. Okay
Unknown Speaker (01:43:53.859)
Yeah, like cuz that's the reality of this
Unknown Speaker (01:43:56.420)
It's it's everything that he's saying that's like kind of gross and offensive is then tagged with I'm trying to get the memes going
Unknown Speaker (01:44:03.779)
Yeah, so sad
Unknown Speaker (01:44:06.579)
Also sad Alex makes a claim about something that Bill Gates said on Japanese TV
Unknown Speaker (01:44:11.899)
Mm-hmm, and because they're doing this and then putting it out later
Unknown Speaker (01:44:16.539)
Alex is able to drop in proof
Unknown Speaker (01:44:19.380)
Okay of his claim. All right, which they do about four or five times
Unknown Speaker (01:44:22.659)
None of it proves anything, but this is the most egregious example. Okay, this is
Unknown Speaker (01:44:28.460)
Outrageous and Joe if you're listening, which I know you're not I would I would say listen to this
Unknown Speaker (01:44:34.020)
Listen to the proof that Alex tagged on he had all the time in the world to find
Unknown Speaker (01:44:38.460)
Edit it later. This is it back in this is what he chose. This is your guy
Unknown Speaker (01:44:43.420)
No, he's Bill Gates said. Oh, don't worry. The Japanese TV goes this is gonna kill people
Unknown Speaker (01:44:47.939)
He goes it's for the he goes it's for other countries now, you know
Unknown Speaker (01:44:50.699)
The printer goes on why I don't know if exactly what you said is representative
Unknown Speaker (01:44:57.460)
Yeah, how many times have I told you a
Unknown Speaker (01:45:00.899)
lot
Unknown Speaker (01:45:02.020)
But when you go down crazy town was on Japanese, you know, I don't have a map
Unknown Speaker (01:45:05.619)
He said it more more defended. He goes. Yes, don't Japanese even they go, you know vaccine cause damage
Unknown Speaker (01:45:12.460)
Oh people are like you about he's this man. You claim you want to be popular he goes
Unknown Speaker (01:45:16.500)
Japan China the United States are not the target. We have special vaccines for other countries. He goes. Oh, yes
Unknown Speaker (01:45:23.819)
Oh, I mean it was like
Unknown Speaker (01:45:26.420)
He said the deal. Yeah, do I see that? Can you show me that on this? I gotta pee again
Unknown Speaker (01:45:31.819)
I don't think of this. I'll find it. We'll do it right now
Unknown Speaker (01:45:35.260)
I'd say it's an ironic if you take somebody who's doing their best to get the world ready and you know putting in my case
Unknown Speaker (01:45:42.859)
millions of dollars into these tools for infectious diseases and really trying to solve
Unknown Speaker (01:45:50.539)
Broadly infectious diseases including those that can cause pandemics, but that you know
Unknown Speaker (01:45:56.699)
We're in a crazy situation. So there's going to be crazy rumors. I hope whether it's individuals or
Unknown Speaker (01:46:04.340)
Countries then some ways that shows us how interdependent we are that to stop a a global pandemic
Unknown Speaker (01:46:11.380)
we need to find whoever's the best whatever the best vaccine construct are the best drugs and we need to make it
Unknown Speaker (01:46:19.260)
Without just focusing on one country. We need to make it for the entire world
Unknown Speaker (01:46:23.939)
Including for countries that don't have the resources to pay for vaccine research or vaccine factories
Unknown Speaker (01:46:31.020)
You know, they're actually
Unknown Speaker (01:46:33.500)
Many ways should be the priority for what we do. That's the whole clip that Alex plays
Unknown Speaker (01:46:38.699)
He played that clip to prove that Bill Gates went on Japanese TV and said Japan China US you guys get a different vaccine
Unknown Speaker (01:46:45.779)
I really feel like that proved the opposite of what he was saying. It certainly didn't prove anything. It didn't prove anything
Unknown Speaker (01:46:51.020)
No
Unknown Speaker (01:46:51.539)
it kind of proved that Bill didn't say that it kind of proves that Alex makes shit up or he has such a
Unknown Speaker (01:46:58.579)
Flimsy grasp on reality that he hears that clip and that's what he thinks Bill Gates is saying
Unknown Speaker (01:47:04.220)
He has to believe that that's like he's so smart
Unknown Speaker (01:47:07.100)
He's reading him between the lines. I would assume that that's the most generous thing that makes sense
Unknown Speaker (01:47:11.979)
Yes, because that literally says everyone should get the vaccine and we should focus on countries who can't make it for themselves
Unknown Speaker (01:47:17.579)
Yeah, they should be a priority. Yeah, because it is also a global issue as opposed to yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:47:22.819)
one country's problem to solve yeah, I don't like I
Unknown Speaker (01:47:27.659)
Like to say I don't get it. I don't understand but like there are there are a limited number of
Unknown Speaker (01:47:32.479)
Insertions. Yeah. Yeah. One is Alex is intentionally misleading. Mm-hmm
Unknown Speaker (01:47:38.239)
The second is he is a consumer of bullshit news sites. Yeah, and he thinks he's never watched the clip
Unknown Speaker (01:47:45.560)
He just has read a headline about it from National File or whatever
Unknown Speaker (01:47:49.239)
And he thinks that's what it said or he watched it and that's what he interpreted it as and it's completely
Unknown Speaker (01:47:56.800)
erroneous putting it in later, it's so it's so
Unknown Speaker (01:48:00.399)
Sad. Confusing? It's not confusing. Why would you do that? You know, I don't know
Unknown Speaker (01:48:05.760)
I mean
Unknown Speaker (01:48:06.060)
I think that there are
Unknown Speaker (01:48:07.199)
Some words that you can say that sound very similar sure and depending on what you think the word is is what you will hear
Unknown Speaker (01:48:15.119)
That could be I think that Alex would probably assume that he's implanted the idea that that's what Bill Gates was saying
Unknown Speaker (01:48:21.439)
Yeah, so if you hear that that's how if you think Alex knows shit
Unknown Speaker (01:48:24.640)
That's all you'll be primed for the correct interpretation of his so that's what I assume
Unknown Speaker (01:48:29.359)
he thinks it's almost like a
Unknown Speaker (01:48:31.760)
fucking gaslighting
Unknown Speaker (01:48:33.920)
Three-pointer, you know, it's like I'm going to tell you what you're about to hear doesn't say what you're about to hear
Unknown Speaker (01:48:40.399)
Yeah, or you just think people just like not really pay attention. Yeah, that's probably like oh, there's he played a clip of Bill Gates
Unknown Speaker (01:48:47.159)
It must have said Rogan's in the bathroom. I'll skip this part
Unknown Speaker (01:48:50.760)
Listen Rogan's fans are the meatheads and the potheads like, you know, you can trick him. That's fair. That is fair
Unknown Speaker (01:48:58.039)
That is fair. So once again Joe takes issue with people who critique his podcast
Unknown Speaker (01:49:04.319)
Interview with Alex strange and this one is also not a good point
Unknown Speaker (01:49:08.960)
Well, there was a lot of people that got tricked
Unknown Speaker (01:49:10.800)
They got tricked into thinking that the podcast was something other than what it was and they they read some
Unknown Speaker (01:49:17.000)
Someone else's description and more people did that then listen cuz well, you know, we did three hours plus right?
Unknown Speaker (01:49:23.880)
How many how many did you do 20 or something like that? I'm crazy. There's no way they listened
Unknown Speaker (01:49:32.159)
There's someone they don't like for three hours and 20 minutes. Like why would they do that? Yeah, why would we do that?
Unknown Speaker (01:49:40.720)
All right, Joe, that's a personal insult yeah that that one that is that hurts at all
Unknown Speaker (01:49:46.399)
personal
Unknown Speaker (01:49:47.640)
That is not abroad. These liberals are doing that's you specifically Dan
Unknown Speaker (01:49:51.920)
Why
Unknown Speaker (01:49:53.520)
What's most tragic about that is I don't have a good answer
Unknown Speaker (01:49:57.760)
Why would people listen to hours of someone they hate
Unknown Speaker (01:50:02.880)
Mmm, that's a good question
Unknown Speaker (01:50:05.119)
That's a good question. Also, you just described my job
Unknown Speaker (01:50:08.960)
Don't you dare say 20 hours like oh, look at how much work we did screw you
Unknown Speaker (01:50:14.220)
We put more time in talking about you dudes talk
Unknown Speaker (01:50:17.640)
Yeah, but I mean I I do understand that deflection of like it was really long people couldn't have possibly listened to it
Unknown Speaker (01:50:24.479)
I thought it was shit. Sure and like no, I mean, I'm more primed to listen to something that I think is shit
Unknown Speaker (01:50:29.380)
Yeah, that's something that is
Unknown Speaker (01:50:31.680)
Bad like this was way more painful than Joe's episode totally and granted him. This is four hours
Unknown Speaker (01:50:37.960)
I was three and a half or whatever
Unknown Speaker (01:50:39.239)
But like Alex was hot dogging on Joe's show
Unknown Speaker (01:50:42.840)
Which at least makes some kind of an entertainment value and Joe knows that this is his platform and he has to have some
Unknown Speaker (01:50:50.359)
Semblance of a shrine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so like those dynamics played out on Joe's show, which made it a little bit more of
Unknown Speaker (01:50:57.680)
Interesting. Yeah than this which is long stretches of
Unknown Speaker (01:51:02.000)
Nothing. No, this is two dudes and Alex being like you're so famous
Unknown Speaker (01:51:05.600)
This is a two person make a mean is it a two-person smoke circle?
Unknown Speaker (01:51:09.699)
And that's the worst to possibly be in Alex's how it doesn't have the showmanship chops
Unknown Speaker (01:51:15.159)
To carry this as like a show so being on Alex's turf is a problem
Unknown Speaker (01:51:21.460)
Hmm Joe is not as good as like when he's a guest
Unknown Speaker (01:51:26.720)
yeah, as he is when he's on his own show because he'll just talk about how he ate or drank some coffee that a
Unknown Speaker (01:51:34.199)
Shit it out. Do you get it? Isn't that gross? But it's good. How can that be? Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:51:39.319)
Yeah, I I just hmm. I feel like this must have been an apology like I something
Unknown Speaker (01:51:45.460)
I feel like this has to be a thing where
Unknown Speaker (01:51:47.920)
Rogan said you can't come on my yeah. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:51:51.720)
I'll go on your place. Yeah, but I won't be on your actual show. We'll just get drunk and record something
Unknown Speaker (01:51:57.520)
Yeah, I feel like it has to be something like that some kind of olive branch. Yeah, I don't know
Unknown Speaker (01:52:02.319)
It's a real bummer. There is no point for this to exist other than for them to try and get attention
Unknown Speaker (01:52:07.199)
Yeah, it's absurd unlike wild mountain time which exists only for itself to sure
Unknown Speaker (01:52:12.840)
So we have one last clip and it's Alex really summing things up well, and I think Joe nails it all right well
Unknown Speaker (01:52:19.760)
I've been on there 27 years and Joe Rogan. I want to thank you for everything
Unknown Speaker (01:52:23.680)
I want to say this is the best four hours. I ever spent. Thank you so much. That's what's outrageous outrageous about this world
Unknown Speaker (01:52:30.439)
That's what's outrageous. What is it this could be your best show?
Unknown Speaker (01:52:33.279)
This was nonsense. It is nonsense. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah, I like ideas man
Unknown Speaker (01:52:40.000)
I do I like ideas. That's why I like listening to things that I don't agree with I like listening to Alex Jones because I like
Unknown Speaker (01:52:48.159)
Finding I first of all I mean he says stupid things like Alex with guns and shit great
Unknown Speaker (01:52:52.840)
There are certain things that just wouldn't normally come up in
Unknown Speaker (01:52:56.300)
Conversations of people I enjoy and I find interesting sure podcast that I would listen to for pleasure
Unknown Speaker (01:53:01.640)
Certainly a lot of those things wouldn't be overlapping with Alex, right? That's why I listen to stuff like project Camelot
Unknown Speaker (01:53:08.520)
Hmm, I like ideas yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:53:10.920)
Weirdest and weirdest ideas that you can possibly get let's fly in the face of danger and see if something might be true
Unknown Speaker (01:53:17.739)
What if you what if one thing is true Dan just like Joe was saying yeah?
Unknown Speaker (01:53:23.159)
Just because he's lied a million times doesn't mean you won't find that one grain of gold
Unknown Speaker (01:53:27.159)
I didn't know about that civic coffee. Yeah, there we go. We did it outside of that. I don't think there was any ideas
Unknown Speaker (01:53:32.560)
That were interesting that were presented on this show. I think it was a disaster. I think it was stupid
Unknown Speaker (01:53:37.159)
I
Unknown Speaker (01:53:38.359)
Just I I here's a thought that I have never been able to escape ever since I was like really really young
Unknown Speaker (01:53:46.399)
It's helped me so far if like whenever I was like 10 years old I remember hearing
Unknown Speaker (01:53:52.279)
All of my friends have this
Unknown Speaker (01:53:53.880)
Conversation and I remember being in the middle of it talking about it and I remember thinking there's no possible way that ten-year-olds in
Unknown Speaker (01:54:02.520)
1990 blue are
Unknown Speaker (01:54:04.520)
Having a new or interesting thought so if I am having a conversation
Unknown Speaker (01:54:09.840)
Think for a second did somebody have this conversation several thousand years ago, and then maybe just read
Unknown Speaker (01:54:15.640)
Maybe read instead of being like so here's what I think about the universe and what we should do is we should give everybody
Unknown Speaker (01:54:22.159)
But you know like we got
Unknown Speaker (01:54:24.680)
Tribalism and we got to do shrooms and like hey, maybe somebody's fucking thought about it before. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (01:54:29.560)
Yeah, that is that is a perspective that it's important to have. Yeah, I do agree with you on that
Unknown Speaker (01:54:34.680)
I think that exploring ideas
Unknown Speaker (01:54:37.359)
Conversationally is a fun pastime and I think that that's what what a lot of spring
Unknown Speaker (01:54:41.880)
Do in college sure
Unknown Speaker (01:54:44.039)
And I think that it's what people do socially. I think it's a fun thing to do with friends totally
Unknown Speaker (01:54:49.239)
I don't know if it's always
Unknown Speaker (01:54:51.239)
Productive. I certainly know from listening to this that it's not entertaining. Yes. That's a good one. I don't know. I
Unknown Speaker (01:54:58.960)
Come away with this. I tried to like really distill down like the points
Unknown Speaker (01:55:03.880)
Mm-hmm that run through this because there are trends and all I could come up with are
Unknown Speaker (01:55:08.840)
Left versus right tribalism sure nonsense. Yeah, that seems to be a thing that Joe really wants to talk about all about interpretation
Unknown Speaker (01:55:16.100)
There's no possible way that the somebody could be correct. You got to overcome tribalism Joe really wants to point that out
Unknown Speaker (01:55:23.359)
Alex wants to talk about how famous Joe is. Mm-hmm and how great it is that he's on Spotify
Unknown Speaker (01:55:28.399)
And then Alex just is too overt and too obvious about his wanting to be a nation. Yeah, it's just it's it's tragic
Unknown Speaker (01:55:36.359)
it's it's
Unknown Speaker (01:55:37.680)
Like I keep saying it's cringe-worthy, but that's the only thing that's the only way I can describe it. Yeah, it's
Unknown Speaker (01:55:42.800)
Exposing his is vulnerable underbelly of desperation. I mean, what's what's wild to me is
Unknown Speaker (01:55:50.960)
Ostensibly, these are two professional
Unknown Speaker (01:55:54.560)
broadcasters
Unknown Speaker (01:55:55.800)
How can you have this boring of a conversation when you've been doing this or some?
Unknown Speaker (01:56:02.159)
facsimile of this job this very job that you are doing for 20 or 30 years and you come up with
Unknown Speaker (01:56:07.960)
This and this is what you've got and one of the people is the Jimmy Carson of our time
Unknown Speaker (01:56:13.279)
Jimmy Carson of our times man, you're wasting it. The other one's a close second. Yeah, you are no Ed McMahon, sir
Unknown Speaker (01:56:19.840)
No, yeah, so there you go folks. You got it. Yeah, there it is
Unknown Speaker (01:56:24.960)
You got stuff like everybody should do shrooms. Yep
Unknown Speaker (01:56:27.680)
I think I might have also only decided to do this episode because I came up with the title for it long in advance
Unknown Speaker (01:56:32.600)
And I was fourth try not a charm nice
Unknown Speaker (01:56:35.359)
I
Unknown Speaker (01:56:37.159)
Stuck
Unknown Speaker (01:56:38.239)
But we'll be back on Monday with a discussion of whether or not Alex moved to DC and is living in a tenement camp
Unknown Speaker (01:56:44.720)
Let's hope he is
Unknown Speaker (01:56:46.359)
Who fingers crossed? Yeah, that'll be good news. We'll be back then but tell them Jordan we have a website
Unknown Speaker (01:56:50.720)
We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. You bet it is
Unknown Speaker (01:56:53.720)
We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter
Unknown Speaker (01:56:56.880)
It's at knowledge underscore fight and then go to bed George dramatic time you were also on Facebook
Unknown Speaker (01:57:01.560)
We are Facebook in Dallas. I choose red and if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help
Unknown Speaker (01:57:07.239)
Out those still doing God's work. Yeah, we'll be back until then. I'm neo and Leo. I'm DC ex-clerk. I'm Daryl run to say
Unknown Speaker (01:57:14.319)
Don't you try out that rifle?
Unknown Speaker (01:57:18.479)
Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding
Unknown Speaker (01:57:20.479)
Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you
