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love your word. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back

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to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around and check

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novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan.

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Jordan. What do you got for a bright spot this week? Well here's one that shows how stupid I am.

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I didn't know that frozen hash brown patties existed and could be sold at the store. Okay.

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And I've discovered that and they're fantastic. They're fantastic. They're really nice for a

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breakfast item. You can't go wrong with potatoes. No. In any form. I didn't realize how many

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different shapes of potato they sell in the frozen food section. I like that. I like the way you put

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that. Just shapes of potatoes. There's a lot of presentations and it's pretty wild. I thought it

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was just like we got crinkle fries, you got shoestring fries, steak fries. Of course. It's

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so much more. Tots. Tots. You got tots. Curly fries. Fucking waffle fries. We ate the hash brown

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patty. It's just like if you went to McDonald's. Yeah. Except a pack of 10 of them costs like four

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bucks. Perfect. Yeah. It's a perfect breakfast. You don't have to go to McDonald's. No. Fuck

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McDonald's. That's my bright spot. Take that. Hash browns. Mr. McDonald. Exactly. Whatever your name

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may be. Ray Kroc. Yeah. That's a whole crock of shit is what I'm telling you. Right. What about

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you? I will tell you. A book series by Anne McCraffrey. Dragon Song and Dragon Singer and

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then there's a third one. But I love it so much because it's like that kind of magical

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girl story where she's in a quiet remote place and she's got a magical destiny and that kind of

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thing. Sure. But it's entirely about her wanting to become a musician and going to this school

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that doesn't allow women musicians and it's amazing and it's beautiful and it shows a true

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and deep passion for music that I care about very much. So that sounds lovely. Yeah. It's

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like a children's book. Read that book and get a hash brown. It's good. That's our recommendation

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for today. There you go. So Jordan, today we are going over a little bit of an episode of Alex

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Jones' show for our Friday. We got April Fool's Day episode, April 1st, 2020. Don't you do it.

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Don't you do it. 2020. God damn it. So we're going to go over that. It's really interesting.

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There's some weird stuff and then there's weirder stuff. Okay. Almost half of this episode is taken

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up with a source of conversation that is meaningless. It will not pay off and is ridiculous.

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Okay. I like it. So I'm thrilled to get into that, but before we do Jordan, we're going to take a

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So, Jordan, today, like I said, April 1st, April Fools.

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Alex starts off the show talking about a little bit of April Fools business.

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OK.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is April Fools Day.

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And we've got the April Fools virus out there in full effect.

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No, it's a real bio weapon.

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It's probably going to kill what Adam's original analysis is pretty good.

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We had the flu kill 80,000 in 2018.

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We have a total lockdown of society and the stock market plunging,

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which it is right now.

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No.

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So first, like what's the what's the April Fools here?

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It's the April Fools virus, but it's not.

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It's very real.

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Is the April Fools Day joke pretending

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that Mike Adams original estimate was 80 to 90,000 I guess his original estimate.

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Oh, boy.

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So Alex's flu numbers are inaccurate there.

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But even so, flu comparisons are by definition stupid.

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So I'm just gonna leave that aside.

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What I want to focus on here is the claim

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that Mike Adams estimates are being shown to be correct.

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April Fools.

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That's fair enough, because this is not OK to say based on Mike's appearances on Alex's show.

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It's impossible to say which of Mike's estimates Alex is talking about.

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Mike has changed projections quite a bit over the course of this period.

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Very suspiciously in ways that seem to be meant to complement Alex's editorial tone.

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It's really helpful that way.

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On the day after China locked down Wuhan on January 24th,

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Mike famously guested on Alex's show and declared that it was over for humanity

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and there would only be lone survivors.

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On that same show, he literally said that most people would not survive.

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In my assessment, the bulk of the human race will not survive this.

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Now, there can be lone survivors or small groups of survivors.

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And I think that that's the strategy we have to get to.

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So that death toll's pretty high.

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That, uh, most people?

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Maybe unspecific, but pretty high.

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On February 8th, Mike returned to the show to misuse an estimate put out by Professor Neil Ferguson

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in order to estimate that we would be seeing 7,500 deaths a day in China from the virus.

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If the death rate is 15 to 17%, which I will lay out here in a minute,

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China has admitted it, by the way, in a press conference.

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They accidentally admitted it.

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They didn't.

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The Neil Ferguson's estimates, Professor Ferguson, his estimates of 50,000 new infections a day

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translates to 7,500 deaths a day in China over the next few weeks.

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At the point of the writing of this episode, China had experienced 3312 deaths from the virus,

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a little more than half of Mike's daily prediction.

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Now, granted, of course, you take China's numbers with a grain of salt,

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there's still nowhere near what Mike's talking about.

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Then, on March 1st, Mike and Alex spent a considerable amount of time

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discussing Rush Limbaugh's comments about the virus having a 2% mortality rate

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and how half the population, if half the population got infected,

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that would translate to approximately 3 million deaths.

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And you mentioned Rush, so I'll bring this up.

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Okay, Rush says there's only a 2% mortality rate.

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Well, if you infect half of America, which is pretty typical for a flu,

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2% comes out to roughly 3.3 million dead Americans.

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So Rush essentially just admitted there could be millions of deaths in America,

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which is a hundred times larger than the flu.

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And let's be clear, we don't want that to happen, it's terrible.

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Ooh, Mike said it's a hundred times larger than the flu.

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Oh, that's a good flu comparison.

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Did Alex say that his projections were right,

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meaning that there would only be 80,000 to 90,000 people left on the planet?

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In which case, I think that is a correct...

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According to the initial one, maybe.

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So, by March 2nd, Alex had completely fabricated two lieutenant colonel sources

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who had told him that the Pentagon was predicting approximately 3 million deaths,

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exactly what he and Mike had discussed when they were talking about Rush Limbaugh.

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Alex claimed that the military had been ordered to contact him to let him know this

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because they needed hardcore patriots to be prepared.

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Weirdly, Alex has completely dropped this 100% made-up storyline now

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because it's not useful to him anymore.

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On March 6th, Mike returned to the show with a new computer model

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that showed a possibility of about 2 million deaths by July,

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which Alex proceeded to use incorrectly.

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Now, the models are at millions and millions dying, there's a new computer model out

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that shows 2 plus dead million people by July.

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But again, these are just models, other Lancet models,

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you know, show 15% death rates, not 2%.

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Alex was so out of line that Mike had to interrupt their interview

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to tell him to change the headline about his model on Infoswars

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to reflect that the model is showing what would happen in the unlikely,

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impossibly impossible scenario that literally nothing was done to slow down the virus.

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And it was drawn on Microsoft Paint, so it wasn't a very good computer model.

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There is no narrative you can make out of this that says that Mike Adams was accurate.

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Mike was all over the place and generally erring strongly in the direction of hysteria early on.

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What Alex just did to start his show is textbook gaslighting,

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pretending that Mike Adams has been super accurate.

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And his models, they've always shown 80 to 90,000.

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And that's how I've reported it straight down the middle.

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Complete vindication for his process, Dan.

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Complete vindication.

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It's abusive, man.

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It's so good to know when you're right, you know, and have it be confirmed.

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So there's a lot of rewriting of things and, like, creating this new,

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but sort of more solidified narrative.

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And in this case, Alex lays it out here.

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And it's essentially, you know, what you need to know is that early on,

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the globalist said it was no big deal in order to lure Trump.

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You know, we've been on this road before, but here's how Alex explains it.

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About March 1st, a month ago, they flipped and said it's all Trump's fault.

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It's the American virus.

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America's a crap hole.

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It's going to have the most cases because we're going to have the most testing.

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So they run the hoax that we're not testing.

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We're not testing.

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More testing, the whole world combined.

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Hundreds of times the testing of China.

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China stopped testing two weeks ago.

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On record.

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Alex's narrative is nonsensical about the progression through this.

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And I don't really even care that much about how he's deciding to re-rate history

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in order to keep Trump the noble hero in the story.

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He can live in that fantasy world of his choosing.

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I'll just stick to the claims that he's making.

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Alex claims that the U.S. is engaging in more testing than the rest of the world combined,

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and a hundred times that of China.

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He further claims that China stopped testing two weeks ago on record.

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That sounds like something China would do during the middle of the largest outbreak in their history.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The claim that China stopped testing people for coronavirus is something that was making the rounds

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in some right-wing blogs, which is undoubtedly where Alex got it from.

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It's all based on an article out of the Daily Apple,

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which is a strongly anti-China tabloid from Hong Kong.

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The reporting hasn't been substantiated by any other source,

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and it seems unlikely that this is the case and China is still reporting new cases.

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There's substantial questions about China's reporting of numbers,

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and those things will be clearer in the future.

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But at this point, I wouldn't stake my credibility on this unfounded report,

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an unconfirmed report, which Alex has just decided is on record totally accurate 100%.

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Sounds true. Daily Apple, you got it.

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So the U.S. has now done over 1.1 million coronavirus tests,

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and from what I can tell, that is the most of any country in the world.

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However, it's not more than all the countries combined.

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Italy's done more than 450,000, and South Korea is about 420,000.

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The issues that the vast majority of these tests in America have been done recently,

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whereas it would have been way more effective to have done them earlier.

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Widespread testing is always helpful,

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but the point that it could have had the most impact has passed.

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So saying that we're doing a ton of testing now is great,

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but the complaint is more that testing wasn't done when it was needed.

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It's not their fault. It was a hoax, but now it's real.

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You just didn't notice that it turned from a hoax to reality.

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I guess that's the way you explain it, but it's nonsense.

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The other issue is that 1.1 million tests is good,

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but per capita, we're still far behind countries like Italy.

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In an article on NPR, they put the per capita testing at the United States

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at about 1 in 366 people compared to 1 in 133 in Italy.

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So when you adjust for country size,

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you can see the differences a little bit more clearly,

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and the numbers are kind of artificial to an extent.

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So all this stuff that Alex is saying is just nonsensical.

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Ways to try and defend Trump is nonsense.

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Yeah, any time he starts using big numbers quoting from places,

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it's always conveniently getting rid of the per capita part of that.

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You know, oh, Chicago has the worst murders in the...

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But per capita, it's, yeah.

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That difference is always something he struggles with.

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Yeah.

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So one of the things that I found particularly interesting about this,

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and I thought it might have been an April Fool's joke,

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but it turns out it's not, is that Alex is very insistent

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that the Senate and the Pentagon,

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they now all are sure that this was a bioweapon release.

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Oh, God damn.

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Which I'm not sure where he's getting for that from, but OK.

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The consensus at the Senate Intelligence and the Pentagon,

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and again, people that are part of the pro-American camp there,

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is that this is a globalist attack by the deep state through Communist China

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because America was taking over the New World Order

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and Americanizing it 1776 worldwide.

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Sure.

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That's a plan that I have put forward, a thesis.

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Stupidly.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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So that's what you mean by 1776 worldwide?

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You got it.

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Is not getting rid of the New World Order, but Americanizing it.

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Exactly.

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And it's your version of America, right?

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Right, right, right, right.

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Ooh, I don't want that.

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No, no, no.

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It's a global one-world government that is created by the...

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Trump.

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Oh, no, that's not good.

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Hmm.

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OK, let's see.

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It's a good idea to have a one-world...

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No, I don't think Alex can say that, right?

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Well, it's kind of what he's saying.

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Yeah.

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So Trump and his goons were taking over the one-world government.

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They were doing it.

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And that was too bad.

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So there was a globalist bio-attack.

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That's why...

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That's basically what the narrative here is, which is absurd.

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Yeah.

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And the Senate, there's a consensus in the intelligence committee

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in the Pentagon.

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The fuck out of here.

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That's why it's OK that Inhofe and Feinstein and Loeffler

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all sold all their stocks right away because they found out it was a bio-weapon.

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So they had to save their money for the future.

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It's not unethical, Dan.

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Hmm.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if that angle's going to work.

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I don't think so.

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I wouldn't be surprised to hear Alex picking it up.

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Yeah.

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So the globalists, because they're doing this bio-attack and all this...

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Sure.

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They need people to be hurt by it or something.

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And so they don't want you to know that this hydrochloroquine is basically,

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you know, as Trump put it, a game changer, right?

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I really feel like it's not.

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So you had all of these governors, like we talked about on the last episode,

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who were putting restrictions and regulations in place about frivolous prescriptions

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because there's a concern about, you know, running into a complete shortage.

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Right, because the president has enlisted everybody in a panic-buy

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of a medication that could be otherwise very, very helpful.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has now learned that some of these senators,

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or not senators, governors are requesting hydroxychloroquine.

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And so he's decided that they've flipped.

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Okay.

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They have fought like the devil to tell you there is no truth.

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Who is an interdimensional being, just so you know.

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That if you get it, you're just basically dead or get ready for a ventilator.

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Not telling you that if your immune system is boosted

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and that if you've got a lot of zinc in your body,

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a lot of D3 and a lot of sunshine and things like that,

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that it's very hard to get it, not just a fact.

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And they're so pissed that medical doctors are saying that,

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that a bunch of governors try to block them.

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Well, they all failed.

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Now the governors, like Michigan,

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that were telling people that hydroxychloroquine was illegal are now begging for it.

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And the FDA says, yeah, they have massive success.

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90 plus percent, as I said, brought off their own reports.

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I was reading major news out of Europe, mainline news,

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that now they've just capitulated.

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The Democrats are failing in blocking the medicine of the people,

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but it shows they are psychotic filth of the highest order.

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So Alex isn't lying that Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

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did request hydroxychloroquine, but he's lying about why.

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She did it at the request of the Michigan Senate Majority Leader, Mike Shirkey,

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who explained his actions to the Detroit News thusly.

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Quote, we needed something to prevent chloroquine from becoming the next toilet paper.

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Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy

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for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drugs

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may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis,

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or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydrochloroquine are proven treatments.

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Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically

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to treat COVID-19.

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This is exactly the situation we were discussing on a recent episode.

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People like Alex and Trump are pretending they found a miracle cure,

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and because people look up to them, they're making a run on this medication,

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which is leading to scarcity.

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To continue to serve the patients who have these conditions

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that this is actually used for, people like the leadership in Michigan

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have had to try to get more of it, which gives the appearance

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that they're on board with it being a coronavirus cure,

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when in reality, they're just trying to mitigate the danger

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caused by Trump's reckless behavior.

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It makes me so mad.

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I'm just so tired of that.

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We are forcing people to act like this because we've entrapped them

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in this cult-like behavior.

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They're doing all this stuff, thus causing a shortage that the rest of us have to deal with.

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When the rest of us deal with their bullshit,

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they cite it as proof that they've succeeded.

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It's insane!

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These people are insane!

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Yeah, yeah.

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I don't have a rebuttal.

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There's no rebuttal.

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It's just so fucking infuriating.

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Now, the thing that makes it a little more interestingly

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is that simultaneously over the weekend,

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the FDA issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine

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to be used for coronavirus patients.

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A couple of very important things to point out about this are that

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in their declaration, the FDA makes it clear that the main reason

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for this emergency authorization is one, there's no available alternative treatment,

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and two, the sense that the possible benefits outweigh the expected risks,

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which, you know, are death.

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They're trying to get rid of hope, Dan.

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That's what they're trying to do with this chloroquine.

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They're getting rid of hope.

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Yeah, that's it.

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So the FDA is very clear that this is not an approved drug

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and that the science does not reach the non-emergency standard for approval.

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But we're in an emergency situation, so they're like,

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well, let's try it.

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It probably won't kill as many people as it might help, question mark?

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Ugh, that's unbelievable.

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This could end up being really bad news, but it also might not be.

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It's really hard to say, but it's important to remember

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that there's a big difference between this declaration

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and the rest of the shit we've been seeing.

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A health official saying, you know, like, this isn't proven,

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but we're in an emergency and it might do more to help than hurt,

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so doctors should use their discretion, giving it to patients

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that do test positive.

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That's super different than Alex and Trump promoting it as a cure

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and 99% effective in the studies, they're suppressing it.

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Yeah, it's just the FDA going, Trump won't fucking shut up, so fine.

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Fine. We'll do this.

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Yeah, well, but, yeah, I don't think it's entirely that.

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If you read the declaration, there is, like,

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if you look at the science under appropriate care,

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the odds of you dying are probably low from the hydroxychloroquine.

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If used appropriately with the assistance of a doctor,

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it's not as unsafe as just everyone taking it

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or people doing it on their own.

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So trying to approve it in that context makes more sense

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than running the risk of people trying to self-medicate.

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So I think that there's a harm reduction factor there.

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Now, to the point that you're making, it still is all roads lead back to...

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Trump is throwing a fit like a whiny baby.

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Hyper-inflated expectations that are being created by Trump and his allies.

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That is still the root of where all of the impetus

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to try and self-medicate with it are coming from, but...

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It's like we're all sharing a car with fucking toddlers,

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and every now and again the toddlers get to drive

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and we just have to deal with it.

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Like, and it's just like, I don't know where this fucking car is going to go,

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there's a toddler driving it. Good luck.

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Well, if you're a toddler and you hate the United Nations,

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you might say things like Alex says in this next clip

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about the 1992 Agenda 21 conference.

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Oh, here we go.

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And I'll say I need citations on pretty much all of this.

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Microsoft fucking Carta.

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I mean, the UN said back in 1992 at the big Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit for Agenda 21,

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now they've gotten that, they're now Agenda 2030.

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And they said, we're going to bring in total world government

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and we're going to bring back human sacrifice

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like the pagans had to reduce population.

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We're going to tear up the families.

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We're not going to have single parent or double parent homes,

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single family dwelling facilities.

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We're going to ban fireplaces.

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We're going to ban individual farming.

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We're going to have giant factory farms, total control,

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and we're going to phase out humans.

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Who needs it?

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That's now all public, but that's on the UN website.

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I couldn't find that on the UN website.

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Is it on the UN website?

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I couldn't find it.

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But I will say we want to create a post human society is on the UN website.

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I will say that where I checked out was the human sacrifice part.

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Yeah.

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That was about where I was like, I don't even care anymore.

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They didn't say that.

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Yeah.

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So, um, Alex gets to playing a clip of Trump talking because Trump's tone did take a pretty

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big change over the last couple of days where he's like, there's going to be a lot of deaths.

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Right. Right. If we get a hundred thousand deaths, that'll be a victory.

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That kind of tone.

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It's changed a bit.

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Yeah.

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Let me recontextualize from this is an entire hoax to don't you realize that by me not doing

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anything up until now and then doing something means that I have saved probably millions of

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lives and I'm the hero for this outbreak that I definitely did not call a hoax a month ago.

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So in terms of Alex talking about, uh, that in leading, leading into the clip, um, he,

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uh, you know, he, he kind of ends up admitting that Mike Adams predictions weren't 80, 90,000

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to begin with.

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He, he, this is, this is ridiculous here.

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Let's hear from the president prepare for hard days ahead.

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As many as 250,000 dead by the middle of July.

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Mike Adams projected 250,000 dead by the middle of July about five weeks ago here on air.

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Now he's downgraded that because Trump went along with some of the lockdown, uh, and he's

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saying 90,000, he'll be joining us bottom of the hour, but here's the president.

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So no, he didn't.

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He said two point something million by July in his model that Alex was misusing.

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The model was if nobody does anything, if nobody does anything to, uh, something million

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people will be dead by July.

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Right, right.

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So no, but even, even so, this is, this is nonsense.

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Alex can't keep his story straight.

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This is, this is disgusting.

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It is.

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This is disgusting.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is apparently a big Dow Jones guy now.

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Well, you gotta be.

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He's a big market guy.

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He doesn't sell gold anymore.

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He's got to buy stocks in Raytheon or whatever it is he does.

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Apparently the market is like really important now.

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And he's, he wants to check in, finds out, markets down.

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Oh no.

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Uh oh.

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And the stock market's almost down 800 points right now.

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And a lot of people go, Oh, the stock market.

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Summer of rage.

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It's tied to the entire economy.

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And when it starts tanking, they're going to demand bigger bailouts.

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And then that creates more inflation down the road.

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But the depressionary thing's happening so fast right now that all the stimulus

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may not even be able to stop it.

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And that's why Jim Acosta praised Trump last night when he said, okay, we got

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to stay close two more weeks.

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They went good, good, because then it'll set the precedent that when he opens it

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in a month, it's not total depression.

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It's all his fault.

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They're setting the trap.

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But Trump knows the trap.

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It was a trap though.

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If he didn't respond, they blame every death on him.

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So he's riding the tiger.

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We're all riding the tiger together.

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And I'm in simpatico with the president.

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I understand what he's doing.

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No, you don't.

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This is, this is just wild.

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These, the, the gymnastics that's required in order to make this, make even

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something close to sense.

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I just, there's, I mean, there's no point again in pointing out hypocrisy.

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There's just no point.

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It's over with.

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Right.

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But the fact that people on the right are saying like this $2 trillion stimulus

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might not be enough, makes me want to throw rocks at their homes because when

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we had the fucking last one, they're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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We can't do $1.5 trillion stimulus.

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We don't have the money.

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They will never find it.

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This is a bailout.

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We need to, it's definitely because of the bailout.

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It's not because he's black.

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It's because of the bailout.

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That's why we're so mad.

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It's the bailout.

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Now they're like, well, I mean, of course we need to have another stimulus

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package.

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Obviously two point trillion isn't going to be enough.

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Yeah.

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And particularly with Alex, his, his hatred of Obama specifically surrounding

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the bailout was so central to a lot of his coverage that like the whole tea

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party, they should be bankrupt immediately.

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And their money should go towards the stimulus.

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Like I realized that we can't do anything criminal.

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Seize the blame.

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They should be seized, all of their assets should be seized.

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This is kind of a crime.

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Use civil asset for it for sure.

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I don't care.

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Take it.

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So Alex is really in a strange place at the beginning, in the first hour of

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this show, he's talking a bit about, um, you know, still the downplaying, but

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also a Trump saying like a hundred thousand deaths.

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I mean, that's no big deal.

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That's like the flu a couple of years ago.

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Yeah.

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There's still that sort of thing, but he's also getting pretty deep into

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conspiracy shit and like, um, but it, but it's a lot of stuff that we've gone

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over in the past.

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Like a lot of it is stuff that you'd find in our end game coverage.

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Like he's just recycling a lot of weird, like old, um, sort of political

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conspiracy.

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And it gets into talking about like the CIA man and how they like really

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screwed over Shanghai, Shek, uh, in the national.

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I mean, okay.

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And is that what you want to fight on?

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Yeah, sure.

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It takes a really interesting road because he's trying to relate that to the

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present day with China, uh, being the tools of the globalists, as it were.

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And the globalist shadow organization, this is all came out in the history

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books of the CIA.

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No, I've been around two years at the time tracked down and murdered

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hundreds of army officers fighting with Shanghai Shek in China.

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And the CIA sabotage the hundreds of thousands of rifles and weapons by

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removing the firing pins and by removing the explosives out of the hand

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grenades after the ships launched from San Diego and Long Beach to China.

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That's just a little snippets of history.

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And you know, I was always read this from the John Birch society and saw

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congressional hearings.

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When I was a kid, I heard people talking about it.

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And then disclaimer, do not show your kid like 22 years ago, I was watching

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history channel and it had the old former section chief of the CIA bragging.

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Yeah, well, a lot of us thought Mao was going to really help China.

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And so working with the Rockefeller foundation, this guy looked like a

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mummy on there.

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He goes, we've helped him kick Chiang Kai Shek out.

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And we thought Congress, you know, didn't understand how great Mao was

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going to be for China.

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And he was great.

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He was great.

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And so we kicked Chiang Kai Shek out.

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And I'm sitting there on history channel watching him talk about this.

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So Mao Zedong could kill 80 something million people himself?

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So Alex goes down a road on this episode of rewriting the history of the

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Chinese civil war.

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And considering that such a huge part of his worldview, I really need him to

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do better than this.

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I can find no citations at the globalist sabotaged weapons being set to

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Chiang Kai Shek, nor any evidence that the CIA was hunting down pro-Shek

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soldiers.

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That's how you know they did it because there's no evidence.

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They're the CIA.

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I can find plenty of evidence that the US assessed that Chiang Kai Shek was

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doomed to lose that war because he was carrying it out very terribly and not

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listening to strategic advice.

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And they determined that a full on US involvement would lead to a gigantic

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war, likely involving a bunch of other countries, and it just couldn't be

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justified.

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That's not hard conclusion to come to.

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I was going through the CIA's FOIA archive of documents about Mao and

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Chiang Kai Shek and none of the stuff Alex is saying squares with any of the

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documents I can find.

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However, I did find an August 4th, 1958 letter that Allen Dulles sent

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Chiang Kai Shek's wife thanking her for sending him a box of tea.

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So it seems like they were on friendly relations in 1958.

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Oh, well, that's nice.

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It's weird if Allen Dulles was running the CIA that was trying to kill people

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working with him and put Mao into power, but whatever.

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Hey, the job's the job, man.

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It's not personal.

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There's no kayfabe in civil wars.

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You can share some tea with somebody, but when it comes down to it, the

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president says you got it.

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All right.

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I even found a May 24th, 1962 memo that details, quote, a result of a check

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with the old China hands in the agency and the Department of State.

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They found that, quote, the US has always held that the GRC, the government

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of the nationalists, represents the legitimate government of China.

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However, it also does say that in 1949 to 1950, quote, we did inform Chiang

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Kai Shek that the US did not intend to become further involved in the Chinese

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civil war.

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Alex is making claims that I need to see more proof of, and the best he has

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is claiming it's in the book, so it's been declassified, and that's not good

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enough.

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I've heard him say a hundred times that kind of thing, and he's just making

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those things up.

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I do believe that he read this stuff in John Birch Society.

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I agree.

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I 100% believe, but that doesn't mean anything.

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No, what gives me no faith in this whole thing is his foggy memory of some

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CIA section chief on an unnamed show on either the Discovery Channel or

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History Channel that Alex saw 22 years ago.

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Hey, you remember something whenever it's true, Dan.

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That's how it works.

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I have no idea if this alleged documentary exists, if it says what Alex

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thinks it does, or anything.

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This is as good as providing no evidence, quite frankly.

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All the information I can find about the CIA in the period around this time

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has to do with them doing covert actions to try and destabilize Mao's

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government, so I really need Alex to cite some sources here.

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A couple of things that are concerning about his memory is that there's no

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such thing as a CIA section chief.

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That's not a real title.

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Is that just an FBI thing?

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No, the title is station chief.

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You'd hope he'd know that.

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There was only one CIA station chief in China at that time, so if Alex has

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seen evidence of this person saying they were trying to help Mao, it should

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be really fucking easy for him to know that person's name, have information

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about their career, have some corroborating evidence, anything, but he

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doesn't.

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All Alex has is a probably completely false memory about something he claims

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he saw on the Discovery Channel or History Channel two decades ago.

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This is literally indistinguishable from not trying.

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He might as well just say that he saw this, like, history in a dream, and

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that would hold as much weight as this argument that he's making here.

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I've got a sci-fi movie for you, buddy.

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It's Ghost in the Shell.

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The Section 9 agency.

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There are sections in the Japanese law enforcement.

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Section 9 chief.

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Chief Aramaki.

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Done.

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Solved it.

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That's where he got the idea from.

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Loves Ghost in the Shell.

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It's a great movie.

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It's a great series.

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I'm sure.

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It's good stuff.

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It doesn't help us with our history.

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I'm going to check that off on our movies list.

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We've almost got Bingo.

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We've almost got Bingo.

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I'm telling you.

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From what I can tell, here's what I think is going on with this kind of

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narrative.

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Okay.

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Chiang Kai-Shek was going to lose that war against Mao, and the U.S.

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knew that there were only two options in front of them.

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One was letting the war play out and probably allowing the Communist

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government to take power in China.

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The other was becoming directly involved in the conflict, risking a

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wider war, and in a best-case scenario, installing Chiang Kai-Shek and the

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Nationalists into power by virtue of our military support.

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Alex wants the U.S. of the past to do the latter, but he's also invested

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in a whole lot of his career in being the anti-intervention guy.

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One of the only positions he's ever held that made people think he's not

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a total lunatic is a strong aversion to the Iraq War and all these wars

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of regime change.

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I suspect that he knows that it would be impossible for him to argue

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against regime change wars, then claim that the U.S. should have gotten

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directly involved in a country's civil war in order to pick a winner.

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In order to avoid that cognitive dissonance, he and all his extreme

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right-wing anti-communist types have created an entirely new story of

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what happened in that war, so it doesn't look like what would have

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happened is exactly what they pretend to be against in the present.

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Instead of them retroactively calling for a war of regime change, they're

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really just against the secret regime change that actually was going on

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where the globalists were supporting Mao.

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That seems like what it's going on, but honestly, I have no idea.

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This could all just be stuff that Alex's dad told him when he was a kid.

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I don't really know.

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It's purely that right-wing playbook of what I want to have.

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I have no historical consistency whatsoever, so I am 100% against

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vaccines today, and then you're like, well, what about the polio vaccine?

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We're like, well, back then, polio vaccines were great.

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They solved everything.

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I have to stop you, because later in this episode...

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He does not say he's against the polio vaccine.

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He might not.

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A certain health ranger might.

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God damn it!

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What?

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All right, well, then I guess I'll have to give it up to him like the

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Somali pirates for some sort of consistency.

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That's insane.

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Yeah, even your parody example.

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I'm trying to be insane!

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Yeah, it's unfortunately invalidated by something that comes up later in this exact episode.

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Nothing is beyond parody.

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Nope.

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So Alex said that he, you know, he saw this stuff in the John Birch society.

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Sure.

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And I do believe that, and he talks a little bit more about that here.

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What is the John Birch society?

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I'm not even part of it, but everything I ever saw them right turned out to be accurate.

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It wasn't.

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John Birch was an army officer.

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The chai comms captured him, our government knew, they tortured him to death.

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He didn't give up any of the secrets.

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So to be fair, you said that Alex's dad was in the John Birch society, and we don't know

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that a hundred percent.

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Just that Alex has said that there were birchers around.

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Right.

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And it seems very likely that his dad was a bircher.

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It seems, it seems incredibly likely, but we don't have confirmation of that.

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It could have just been that he had, like, uncles or his grandfather or friends of his

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dads who were basically uncles, that sort of thing.

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He had a lot of, he had a lot of influence and his dad seems to have a lot of similar

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ideas as the John Birch society.

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I'm just saying that if you give your son John Birch reading material, regardless of

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whether or not you are an avowed John Birch.

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Yeah, it's dangerous to allow your kid to read something like that when you're without

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the proper maturity.

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It's so funny to hear Alex's clip there, though, when he's talking about these birchers

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always being right.

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Always right.

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Well, I mean, considering the fact that just a few years ago, Alex was trying to pretend

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that he wasn't into the John Birch society.

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He knew that saying that he was into their shit would prove that he was a completely

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insane right-wing anti-communist lunatic, which would have hurt the crossover appeal

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that he was trying to cultivate in all those years when he was pretending he was above

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the left-right paradigm.

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Don't got to worry about that now.

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All that time, he was lying.

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He was a bircher the whole time trying to push extreme right-wing shit under the banner

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of pretending to be above this.

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I'm a libertarian.

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The right left.

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It's just a lie, man.

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It's about freedom to you.

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In that sense, a lot of these people like Dave Rubin really owe their careers to Alex

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Jones.

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He paved the way of that bullshit.

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That fucking line.

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Trojan horse and right wing stuff.

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To be above it all.

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Yeah, fuck off.

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However, it's hilarious to hear Alex say that everything the John Birch society has put

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out is true.

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I've read a lot of the JBS materials and suffice it to say that almost none of it is

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true.

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And guess what?

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I don't even have to get into any of their publications to demonstrate that the John

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Birch society was named.

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They named themselves after John Birch, who they claimed was the first US casualty of

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the Cold War.

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Alex is saying that he was tortured and he didn't give up his secrets.

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And that part definitely isn't true.

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He was shot by a PLA army contingent on August 25th, 1945 after refusing to disarm.

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He wasn't captured.

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He wasn't tortured and he didn't give up his secrets.

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Alex just made that up.

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I was going to say the funniest part about that is him saying John Birch or shit is true.

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And it's like you didn't even get the truth of your own fucking name, right?

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Yeah, nothing is true.

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So John Birch was definitely working in intelligence in China in 1945, which doesn't that kind

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of mess up Alex's narrative about US intelligence working to install Mao?

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Nope, stop it.

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Doesn't that tend to imply that the guy that John Birch society was named after was plotting

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to betray Chiang Kai-Shek?

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Hold on one second.

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I encourage you not to think about it because Alex certainly has not.

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You just hurt my brain, Dan.

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So Lieutenant Colonel James Doolittle served with Birch in China, and I should tell you

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he's an actual Lieutenant Colonel unlike the ones Alex makes up.

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In his 2009 memoir entitled I Could Never Be So Lucky Again, he had this to say about

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John Birch, who he knew personally, quote,

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He had no way of knowing that the John Birch Society, a highly vocal post-war anti-communist

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organization, would be named after him because its founders believed him to be the first

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casualty of World War III.

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I feel sure he would not have approved.

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John Birch is a thing to the John Birch Society, not a person.

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He's taken on as their patron saint.

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Well, he had no say in the matter, and according to someone who knew him, he probably would

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not be into it.

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And then what Alex is doing is even worse.

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He's created a fictional story about torture to apply to Birch to make the narrative better.

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These people are ghouls.

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They are awful.

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Yeah.

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So the lie is baked in to the John Birch Society.

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From the beginning.

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You don't even need to get into any of their publications, their blue book, or any of that

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shit, so...

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No, absolutely.

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I'm starting a group called the Mary Poppins Society because Mary Poppins was the first

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woman to murder 6,000 people in World War II.

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Did you know that?

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Is that right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Did you know that?

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I knew her, and I don't think she'd approve.

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I'm pretty sure she would.

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No, no, no, no.

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What do you think that umbrella's for?

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Murder.

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Fair enough.

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She was the basis for the penguin.

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Okay.

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So the CIA put Mao into power, and also John Birch was a hero.

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Yes.

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So Alex is talking a bit about this CIA shit, and he seems to think that the problem in

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the world and all of the troubles of the Trump administration, they all are basically about

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Trump trying to get his people into the leadership.

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Boy.

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And that's what's creating chaos.

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Woof.

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And this is stupid.

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The CIA is just the biggest intelligence agency.

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It got all the funding to get rid of naval intelligence and army intelligence and all

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the rest of it, and get all the funding to then control and corral that and get its people

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in.

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But as soon as the military realizes that, it's checkmate, and now Trump's bringing his

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people in the CIA, and that's why there's a giant civil war, because we're that close

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to taking the government back.

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We're on the march, the empire on the run, but the fight is now intensified.

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So get ready.

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You can see here again that Alex doesn't not like the deep state.

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He just wants it to be his deep state.

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I want a better deep state.

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Yeah.

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I've seen this time and time again when he ends up talking too loosely.

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He ends up revealing that the new world order is probably good as long as Trump's running

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it, or how he wants a one-world government, like we should buy Greenland and all that

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shit.

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Just as long as the one-world government that's in place is led by the US, and Trump is in

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charge.

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I hate COINTELPRO as long as they're targeting right-wing activists.

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If they're killing Martin Luther King Jr., love COINTELPRO.

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His pretend principles mean nothing.

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Yelling about the institutional rot of intelligence agencies being in control of the government

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means nothing, because he wants the intelligence agencies to control the government, but only

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if his weirdos run the intelligence agency.

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This is exactly why political projects of the sort that Alex and his ilk engage in will

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never lead to real change.

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They scream about structural change, but all they want is the kind that puts them in charge

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of the structures.

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Yes.

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They want a superficial change only.

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Absolutely.

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That way they can destroy the structures and live...

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I assume they become dukes.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, call Larry.

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Okay.

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Also, since Trump's been in office, there have been three heads of the CIA appointed.

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Mero Park was the acting head for three days, right at the beginning of the term, and Gina

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Haspel has been in since May 2018, previous to Haspel, who Trump appointed.

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Trump appointed Mike Pompeo as the head of the CIA for a good 15 months before making

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him the Secretary of State.

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Well, he had so much good practice as the head of CIA, he was clearly ready for the

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promotion to the big leagues.

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But the point is that Trump has clearly been able to put people in charge...

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No!

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That's what they want you to think, Dan!

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Okay, but what about the Director of National Intelligence?

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He's been killed for 30 years!

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Well, there was Mike Dempsey, who was the acting head after Trump got rid of Clapper.

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Sure.

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And then Trump appointed Dan Coats, who was in the position for about two and a half years.

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And then we got two acting heads.

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There was Joseph McGuire, who Trump appointed when Dan Coats left.

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He was appointed because Trump didn't want the deputy director to take over, probably

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because he didn't trust her.

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And then about five months later, Trump fired McGuire because one of his subordinates briefed

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the House Intel Committee about Russia's preference for Trump to win in 2020, which angered Trump

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because Trump is a baby.

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Pretty sure Trump said, you had me at goodbye.

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Then Trump replaced him with the former ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell.

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In his time as ambassador, he was described by ABC News as, quote,

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viewed as one of President Donald Trump's closest envoys in Europe, which explains why

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he was involved in the negotiations to arrest Julian Assange, which Alex should not be thrilled

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with, but whatever.

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Grenell was literally the person who made a verbal pledge that if Assange was handed

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over, he wouldn't get the death penalty.

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And this is one of Trump's closest allies, who he appointed director of national intelligence.

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Yeah, but at what cost?

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At what cost?

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That's all I got.

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Trump has been nominating and appointing people to leadership positions in the intelligence

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community, as any president would.

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He happens to be appointing bad people, but that tends to create chaos.

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And the picture that Alex wants to paint here is complete bullshit that tries to rewrite

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why the chaos is happening.

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Yeah.

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It's nonsense.

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I'm not going to argue, they're all bad people.

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There's no intelligence head that isn't a bad person.

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Everybody Obama appointed was a bad person.

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It's just how it is.

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That's a fair conversation, but also there are grades of bad.

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I 100% agree.

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I'm just not going to argue about that.

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Sure.

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Fuck this.

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Further, someone like Alex should recognize, I got really drunk at my CPEC speech and tried

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to lead the people in a pitchfork rally to free Julian Assange.

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No problems.

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And the guy who literally negotiated the arrest of Julian Assange, Trump rewarded with making

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the DNI.

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Right.

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Now you're saying one thing, but let me counter with this.

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No, and a different thing.

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My point is that Alex doesn't know anything.

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Yeah.

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Also the office of Naval intelligence still exists and there have been two directors appointed

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in the time since Trump has been in office.

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These aren't actually positions that the president appoints, but they are nominated by the defense

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secretary who was appointed by the president.

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So it kind of trickles down.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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Yeah.

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Also army intelligence still exists.

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Nope.

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It's a much wider entity though, but generally speaking, the US army deputy chief of staff

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G2 is considered the head of army intelligence.

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Hey Dan, army intelligence.

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That's a oxymoron.

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You get it?

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Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Fucking dad joke.

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Scott barrier is currently in that position and he's been there since, uh, January, 2018

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within the time Trump has been in office.

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These things like Naval intelligence and army intelligence still exists.

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And if Trump has had no problem appointing people into positions, like if he wanted to,

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what are we doing?

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This is all just made up bullshit.

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Alex is spouting because Trump is doing a terrible job and he needs a justification for

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it.

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It can't just be that Trump is profoundly stupid and a malicious person who's not equipped

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to be in office.

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It has to be that everyone else is working against him and he is in fact the only good

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person.

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Again, to mirror things I said in Wednesday's Bill Cooper episode, this is childish.

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Yeah.

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This is very fucking childish.

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It's, it's just, it's amazing.

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It really is amazing how, how fucked up the human brain can be, how many twists it can

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take to get to where it wants to go.

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Because if you are, if you're even an uninformed person, you can't look at what Trump has done

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and go, that's a good human being.

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It's just not possible.

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And I'm not even talking to his president.

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I'm talking to his human.

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Yeah.

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It's just a human being.

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If you know Trump's story, you're like, oh, well that's a shit person.

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Even if you retired after the like apprentice, you'd be like, that guy's a piece of shit.

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If his catching phrase is your fire, he sucked in home alone too.

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What else do you want?

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He wasn't even Richie rich.

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I hate him.

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He didn't have really a chance at home alone.

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He sucked at WrestleMania.

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You know what?

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That's that's his Hitler failed as a painter.

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Has Hitler failed as a painter?

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If Trump had the chance to really get a meaty role in home alone too, we wouldn't be here.

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Can I tell you what he really sucked at?

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Taking a stunner.

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Stone cold gave him a stunner and he took it very poorly.

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It was bad.

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Yeah.

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He's no rock.

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I'll tell you that.

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I'm really great at taking a stunner.

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I really don't like you reminding me that the president is in the world wrestling hall of fame.

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I really don't like you reminding me of that.

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When Vince McMahon and his family went to the white house,

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so there was a meme that was like stone cold has stunned 60% of the people in this photo.

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God, that's so fucked up.

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He's given a stutter to Vince, Shane McMahon, Linda McMahon, Stephanie,

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just not the children that are in the picture.

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I was like, Oh God, that's a grim fucking reality.

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Grim fucking reality.

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This is a, this is a simulation though.

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We should stop worrying so much.

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So anyway, Alex believes that the issue is that what Trump needs to do is he needs to

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come out and very strongly endorse that everybody take hydroxy chloroquine.

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And is it through my son, a Z pack and everything will be cool counter.

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That's a bad idea.

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Well, people are learning just as Mike Adams said when he was on a few days ago, he said,

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the good news is if Trump just promotes Z pack and hydroxy chloroquine and zinc,

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like the medical doctors are saying all over the world,

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China, Europe, Mexico, everywhere, incredible recovery rates.

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So Alex is saying there are these studies out of Europe, China, and Mexico claiming super

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high recovery rates from hydroxy chloroquine being used to treat coronavirus.

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And he needs to be more careful.

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The study from Europe he's talking about was that French study.

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And this study should absolutely not be seen as conclusive for anything.

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For one, it only included 42 patients in the trials.

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And six of them did not complete the study with one dying in the middle of treatment.

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Of the 42 patients, 26 were given hydroxy chloroquine.

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Six were given hydroxy chloroquine and azithromycin and 10 were the control group.

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All six of the patients who could not complete the trial were in the group that were given

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hydroxy chloroquine, but only one was thought to have been unable to complete it because

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of a drug interaction.

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So maybe some of that is just circumstantial, but because the sample is so small and the

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controls aren't good, you don't know.

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It doesn't mean anything.

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The six patients who were given the combined drugs were all said to have recovered in five

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days, but the study is super dicey.

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For one, the small number of participants is not great.

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And the fact that they don't address that six patients, those six patients who couldn't

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complete the trial is unnerving.

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They just don't address it?

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Well, they don't give specifics into like what was going on.

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Oh, okay.

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It's not really factored in well to the explanation of, well, this, it should screw up their numbers.

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Yeah.

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The fact that they only provided data on the patients for seven days when the trial was

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supposed to have been 14 is also a huge problem for people who have looked into it.

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Ah, that's a good sign.

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There were a lot of problems with the study and it became even more troubling when the

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peer review status was examined.

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It was accepted by the journal, The Register, the day after the study was supposed to have

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ended, which is very suspicious.

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As it turns out, one of the co-authors of the study is the editor in chief of that journal.

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There we go.

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So it appears that what happened is was rushed through the process and published as peer

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reviewed, possibly prematurely.

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This study may be interesting to repeat with more rigorous standards and a larger randomized

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set of participants, but from everything I can tell, you should not take this specific

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finding too seriously.

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There are way too many unanswered questions about the study for it to be like, okay.

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That's so infuriating.

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Why would you do that now?

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Why would you release a study with only 40 some odd patients?

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I think for the sake of like actual people in the medical field, it is worthwhile data.

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I get that.

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Yeah, I get that.

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And I don't know enough about the person who did this study to say that they were using

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it like wrongly.

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Maybe their intention was just to give this information as possibly hastily shattered

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together as it was to people who could then recreate the experiment.

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Possibly it does serve that function.

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And that's, I mean, this is one of the downsides of the interconnectedness of the internet

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and the free quick flow of information.

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It's a lot of stuff that's not meant for your eyes and can only be a problem for you to

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see, but other people need to see it.

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Other doctors, other scientists could make use of it.

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It's just that the editor in chief also helped write the study.

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It ended a week early and the day after it might not have ended, the data that's provided

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on the seven days, not 14 days.

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And then it was rushed through.

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It just seems like that's too glaring a thing to allow to happen with that.

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Like, I don't need the context or the results of the study.

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I just need to know that.

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I'm like, I can't trust you.

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Well, I just can't.

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Yeah.

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Well, the way that I think is the most appropriate to look at it is there's a lot of questions.

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It's not necessarily evidence of malfeasance from the things that I've been able to tell,

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but there are questions that need to be addressed before you want to really look at this.

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Absolutely.

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And for Alex to take it as like gospel is really troubling.

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Right, for sure.

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And I'm not arguing, like again, maybe the results of the study are right on and maybe

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everything was followed to a T, but there's too many different things around there that

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say I can't trust this.

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And so it's not that I'm going to dismiss the findings out of hand, but it's like, I'm

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not even going to pretend those matter until I have something else.

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Well, they're interesting and you should like, there are data points that are worthwhile,

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but I think when we get to the end of this little chunk that I have to present for you,

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you'll understand a little bit why some of this information might come out in the way

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that it does.

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Okay.

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So as for the study from China, it's a worse example.

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This was a study that was published by the Journal of Beijing University in China.

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And the conclusion it reached was that hydroxychloroquine was as effective as no treatment.

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It too was a really small study of only 30 patients.

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15 were given the drug and after a week, 13 tested negative.

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Of the 15 who weren't given the drug, 14 tested negative after a week.

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The conclusion in the paper was deemed not statistically significant and further studies

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were required to determine if there was any real benefit there.

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Another not yet peer reviewed study out of China of 62 patients did find a decreased

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time of recovery in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, but this is unreviewed

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and it should not be taken as definitive as of yet.

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And again, it's only 62 patients.

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So I can find no study out of Mexico as Alex is claiming that hydroxychloroquine can cure

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coronavirus.

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However, if you just Google those words, you'll find a posting on clinicaltrials.gov,

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which is recruiting patients for a double blind study being put on by the National Institute

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of Respiratory Diseases in Mexico.

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According to the posting, the study is supposed to begin on March 23rd, 2020, but would not

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complete until March 21st, I'm sorry, March 22nd, 2021.

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The results of these trials will likely be far more illuminating than the small scale

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studies we have access to at this point, but the results are a ways off in the future.

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There's no way Alex could know the results of this study, but if he was just reading

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headlines, he might see something about a study about hydroxychloroquine in Mexico and

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just make up the rest.

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Just toss it in there.

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Yeah.

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Now, but this Mexico study is actually kind of like demonstrative of what I was saying

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is like to do a real trial like this would take that long.

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Yeah.

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So the data would never really be, you'd never have the preliminary data that people

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are maybe needing in order to like form other trials to do.

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If you did it like this rigorous standards with a large group of participants and, and

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randomization, double blind, all the, all the standards.

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The only study coming out of Mexico right now is how long it takes for AMLO to get

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coronavirus the way he's going.

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That guy is insane.

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That's an interesting study.

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Are you conducting that?

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Well, we're all just, we're all conducting it.

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Like he's just not, he's not doing anything.

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Like AMLO is still traveling around flying commercially as much as possible, denying

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that the situation is happening.

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Shaking hands, doing the whole thing.

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Like it's amazing.

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You talked to Boris about the hand shaking.

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Insane.

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Yeah.

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So that these three countries, or I guess Europe's not a country, but the three places

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that he said there's studies from, these are the specifics things that he's talking

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about.

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One is that French study that's dubious, but possible.

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There needs to be more work done on that before you can draw any kind of conclusions.

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Right.

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The Chinese study, the first one said it's as good as nothing.

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And then the other one that more recently came out from China is not peer reviewed and

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is unclear.

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And the Mexico one hasn't even happened.

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Well, it's in the middle of it apparently at this point.

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You have no results from that.

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Alex doesn't have anything to back any of this up and he's just a dick.

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Anyway, but Trump needs to say, everyone take this.

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Oh, well, of course.

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Of course.

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Absolutely.

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So Alex has Mike Adams on because his projections have always been accurate.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So a month ago they were talking about 80,000.

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Your original projection was at 80,000.

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Original projection was everyone.

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Before that.

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Then they went to 100 to 200,000.

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Now they're at 250.

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Mike, give us the latest and why they're starting to up the numbers after lowering them before.

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Well, they're following the mathematics of where this goes.

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This is deeply gaslighting.

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This is like Mike should have been like, you know what?

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No, I was off early.

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I said, I said most of the human race would not survive.

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Just a little bit.

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Just be, just walk it back a little bit.

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You don't have to walk it back a ton.

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Just be like, look, I was a little bit out of line at first.

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I was panicking like everybody else.

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And so I went back and I checked the numbers and I think it's more in line with what the CDC is.

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Yeah.

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It's okay.

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I'm more than willing to admit that I didn't take the situation nearly as seriously in like,

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let's say January as I am now.

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And that's because I had blind faith in the system.

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For sure.

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No matter how often we are disabused of that notion, somehow there's still a like,

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someday there will be adults in the room and there just are not.

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I had a misguided belief that like, yes, this could be pretty bad,

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but I have faith in the public health officials and everyone will make the right decisions.

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And nope, apparently not.

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So that's fine.

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You could admit that some of your assumptions were turned out to not be accurate.

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And that's okay.

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It's not just okay.

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It's a good thing that leads to growth.

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Yeah, perhaps.

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Yeah.

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So Mike's projection is now 45 to 90,000, but he has a solution.

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Sure.

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And my projections are currently between 45 and 90,000 deaths by the end of July.

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The White House is currently estimating 100,000 to 240,000.

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But look, Alex, the solution is right in front of us.

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The solution, I am convinced now, is more masks, more zinc for everybody,

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vitamin D3 and more testing.

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I believe with those four elements in place, I mean, nationwide emergency production of zinc

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and give it out for free to everybody, flood the country with zinc,

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with proper recommendations for proper dosing.

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I think we could get America back to work by the end of April.

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These guys are going to fuck around and give people heavy metal poisoning.

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You know what? Here's my problem.

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I would prefer it if he stuck with it's the end of humanity,

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because now that he's going on this tip, I'm more afraid that it's the end of humanity.

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Like when he's like,

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ah, I think it'll be between 45 and 90,000 if we get all these testing and all these masks.

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The thing that I said two weeks ago, we don't need to do and that we're all going to die,

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but now we're going to be fine and all that shit.

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Now I'm worried.

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That's an interesting reaction that you're having to the health ranger.

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I also want to put them in the stocks and have people throw tomatoes at them forever.

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That's not an interesting reaction. That's very normal.

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That seems right.

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So you got to get all the zinc.

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Now what's interesting to me about this is that Mike is presenting this as a very,

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just like this is my research scholarly opinion,

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as if Alex hadn't been doing recently an ad pitch constantly about zinc in the real red pill,

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one of the products that he sells.

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I didn't even know that zinc was important.

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Dan, how did they, how did they come to that conclusion independently of each other, Dan?

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It's just so constantly like, uh, just zinc, zinc, zinc is the answer.

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But they're not talking about it being in Alex's products.

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And I think that's intentional.

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Oh, do you think so?

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Are they sick of getting letters from attorneys general?

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But anyway, the real issue is that doctors, you know,

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those doctors that are doctors who have degrees,

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they're totally real doctors who are also Lieutenant colonels in the military.

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No, no, no.

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Doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor.

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Yeah.

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Like ones you might meet at a hospital.

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Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Problem with their education, Jordan, they don't know about zinc.

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That's the problem is they don't teach, as you know, medical doctors with degrees more

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than a few weeks on nutrition.

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I've talked a lot of nutritionists.

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I'm getting different numbers, but I've talked to a few medical doctors and they tell me

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they're looking into it too.

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But a lot of doctors saying 250 milligrams, we already have it daily,

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which over time could be toxic for the kidneys.

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That's what they say.

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Yeah, a lot of other people say, well, maybe take 50 to 100 milligrams a day.

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What are you doing?

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25, 25 milligrams a day and, and eating healthy foods.

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And I think that's all you need really.

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I mean, maybe people who are deficient could take more, but most people are getting almost zero.

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And so there's a chronic zinc deficiency in the population.

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And I think really this COVID-19 disease is really a chronic zinc deficiency disease that

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is a virus, which otherwise would not be very harmful to people.

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Big swing.

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Wow.

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That is a big swing.

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Yeah.

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So it's a zinc deficiency that everyone seems to have.

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Like, honestly, it's just like, look, zinc isn't in everything, but there's a lot of

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fucking foods that have zinc in it.

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This, this, like, I can't stress this enough.

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What's interesting there is like, Mike is saying like, what I do is I take this.

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That's a testimonial.

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Yes.

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That's fine legally.

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Technically.

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But this really feels like they're trying to sell zinc.

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It really feels like, hold on.

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It might be because they are.

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It really it's insane.

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Folks.

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It's called essential.

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You don't have zinc.

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You die in about four or five months.

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Okay.

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I'll look the numbers up.

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Same thing with vitamin C.

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It's called scurvy.

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Okay.

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And scurvy's made a comeback because some people don't get any real vitamin C.

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Mike Adams is our guest, naturalnews.com.

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He'll be covering all this in detail.

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As far as scurvy goes, don't call it a comeback.

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Scurvy does it.

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Scurvy is not a comeback disease.

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It's just a people who stop eating vitamin C disease.

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You can find headlines like one that I found from 2018 quote, scurvy is back.

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But then you look and you read the article and it's about two patients.

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You know, there are people with malnutrition that may come down with scurvy, but the numbers

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aren't nearly what Alex wants you to think of.

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Like scurvy is making a comeback and the solution is always eat an orange.

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Zinc deficiency can definitely be bad for people, but also most people get enough zinc.

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As long as their diets include red meat and poultry.

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If you're a vegetarian, peas, almonds, and baked beans will give you plenty of zinc.

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Or you could take a multivitamin, many of which contain zinc.

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The more these dudes talk, the more I think that this is basically an unspoken sales pitch

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for the real red pill, Alex's supplement with zinc.

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I think that Alex knows that if he makes it too overt, he's going to get another letter.

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So he's just hyper promoting zinc as the answer to the coronavirus and trusting that

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his listeners will put two and two together.

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I did the sales pitch for the fact that real red pill has zinc in it in the past.

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That was a different episode for the attorney general to make an argument that I'm doing

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this, they need to use multiple episodes.

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And I can argue that of course feels like that's the logic that's going on.

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It only happened a few times.

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And now I've changed up my primary sales method to strongly winking at the crowd.

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Yeah.

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And they do also keep using testimonial things like Alex keeps saying like, I take this as

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opposed to saying like, it, it's good for black.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's very, it seems very intentional.

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These guys are so fucking shitty.

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And honestly, I wouldn't even be that suspicious about it, except for this thing that Mike

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says.

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I don't even have any zinc to sell.

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I'm not selling zinc.

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I don't know if Infowars has zinc in their store, minor ingredient in a, a multi-vitamin

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mineral formula, possibly.

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I don't even know.

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Really?

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I'm just telling you zinc is, I believe zinc is the key to getting

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America back to work, which can save the economy, save the upcoming elections.

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So we can have elections so we can have a free society.

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We need to end the lockdowns even from a Liberty point of view, but we need to embrace nutrition,

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which means we need knowledge and we, we have to end the big pharma stranglehold over our

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systems.

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Big pharma runs the media.

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Big pharma runs Washington, DC.

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Sure.

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Fine makers, big pharma runs the medical schools and the doctors and the universities.

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And they want this to be as bad as possible so that they can position the drug companies

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and the vaccine companies as the saviors.

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In the end, they want this to get as bad as possible, have as much suffering and death

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as possible.

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And that's why they're publicly fighting to even block medical doctors from old cheap

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drugs that work great like hydroxychloroquine.

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But the good news is they failed to suppress that treatment.

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Well, that's right.

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Okay.

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All right, health ranger.

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I don't even, I don't even sell a product with zinc in it.

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I've never even seen the matrix.

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So I wouldn't know that if there was a product with zinc in it, it would be referencing the

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make matrix.

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And I definitely don't know if you, Alex Jones, the info wars host actually sell a product

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that is based on this with also the red pill.

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And I'm not, I did not even say red pill.

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I didn't say red pill.

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You said red pill.

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I wish that I listened to the episodes like where Mike hosts.

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I guarantee I could have found some audio of him selling the real red 100% talking about

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there being zero doubt in my mind.

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I believe that he doesn't sell a zinc product, but I don't believe that he's oblivious of

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the fact that Alex has been really trying to push the real red pill because of it having

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zinc in it.

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It seems just kind of ludicrous.

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So they're really, you know, the angle is very strongly in the pushing hydroxychloroquine,

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which is an unproven treatment right now.

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What makes this really difficult as a pill to swallow pun intended is that Alex is also

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trying to pair this with narratives about when they make a vaccine, it will, it'll hurt

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you.

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It'll be an unproven vaccine, right?

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It's, it's almost like two narratives that should not exist within the same brain.

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You guys give me that article.

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I saw an article a month ago by a major virologist headline, you know, be careful.

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The vaccine will probably kill more people than the actual, and we had that with the

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swine flu shot in the seventies.

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That's, that's right.

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So you have the warnings about un, like medical applications or things that aren't thoroughly

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tested and aren't ready to go.

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Meanwhile, strong promotion of FDA, only emergency approved medication.

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When like Alex shouldn't be promoting this, if it's a prescription, of course, or he should

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be saying constant, like talk to your doctor.

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Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's confusing to me.

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Ideologically, I want testing available for everyone.

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I want the eventual vaccine available, available for everyone.

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I want treatment available for everyone.

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But when I listen to Alex Jones, sometimes I'm like, what if the rest of us just covered

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our eyes for a little bit, and then in a few months they're gone.

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Like it's that kind of fury that I have at this liar.

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I, I, I want to save his life and he is actively trying to kill himself and his listeners,

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Dan.

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It's infuriating.

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It is infuriating.

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It's a, it's a trial of empathy and, and, and pointless understanding.

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It really is.

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Yes.

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And it gets worse because in this next clip is where Mike gets into polio trutherism.

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I can't how?

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It's pretty bad.

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In fact, the way to beat the vaccine industry, Alex, is to get the word out about zinc and

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get America healthy and back to work again before the vaccine even comes into existence.

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So they can't fudge the numbers and claim the vaccine cause the virus to go away.

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Like they did with polio.

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It was all a lie.

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You know, the vaccine didn't do anything.

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The vaccine actually introduced more polio to the world.

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And in fact, the number one cause of polio today is the polio vaccine.

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They're going to do the same thing with coronavirus if we give them a chance.

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So we've got to get the word out about zinc, vitamin D3, hydroxychloroquine, and masks.

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Masks are the key.

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From, from now on, anybody riding on public transportation for the next few years needs

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to wear a mask.

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I know it's, it's trouble, but look, there's going to be fashion masks coming out.

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There's going to be cool looking masks.

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There's going to be bandana masks, all kinds of stuff.

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It's just going to be like wearing shoes or wearing pants.

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Your mask will be like a pants.

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It's over for humanity.

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So it's really fucking easy for the health ranger, Mike Adams, to sit here in 2020 and

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say that the polio vaccine didn't do anything, but I think his tone would be a little fucking

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different if you were over 70 years old and lived through the period prior to the advent

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of that vaccine.

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It's hard to remember this because most of us have lived our entire lives in the post

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polio era, but people were straight up terrified of polio for good reason.

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In 1894, the first outbreak of polio occurred in Vermont and caught doctors, well, not the

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world, but recorded in the United States.

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And it caught doctors completely flat-footed.

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18 people died and 132 were left permanently paralyzed.

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At the time, people were fairly clueless about the origin of the disease and concluded based

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on preliminary information, like things like observing family members not getting sick

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when one was, that they decided it wasn't contagious.

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Smart!

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11 years later, Swedish scientist Ivor Wickman discovered the polio was in fact communicable

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and that people could have it without developing the severe version, which often led to death

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or paralysis.

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In 1916, a major outbreak struck New York, leaving over 2,000 dead in New York City.

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Cases spread across the country with a death toll reaching about 6,000 and also leaving

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thousands more paralyzed permanently.

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For decades, scientists were trying to figure out a vaccine to no avail.

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It was just the thing that people lived with, the awareness of a terrifying disease that

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could kill you, leave you paralyzed, or put you into an iron lung.

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The March of Dimes was created as a way of funding medical research into a cure or vaccine,

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and through the contributions of millions of folks, they did make some progress.

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In 1952, there were over 57,000 polio cases in the United States, with over 21,000 of

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them resulting in paralysis.

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Naturally, with those kinds of numbers, people were pretty anxious for a cure, and a few

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years later, Jonas Salk would conclude his trials, leading to the introduction of the

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first polio vaccine.

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Immediately, from 1955 to 1957...

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The most polio cases that...

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No.

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Oh.

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Shit.

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The polio rate in the United States dropped between 85 and 90%.

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Albert Sabin would come along a few years later with an improved vaccine that could

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be taken orally, and then polio was essentially eradicated in the country.

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The last naturally occurring case was said to have happened in 1979, but it wasn't an

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Amish community, and I don't mean that to say that Amish are more likely to be anti-vaccinated,

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but because of the secluded nature, sometimes communities are more under-vaccinated.

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Yes, yeah.

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Not opposition to vaccine, underserved.

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Isolated.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Many of the people who had polio but survived, they come down with post-polio syndrome, and

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people with PPS make up one of the largest blocks of persons living with disability in

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the world.

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The landscape of disability rights would be a lot different without a lot of the activists

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in the polio survivor community.

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From Ed Roberts, the founder of the World Institute on Disability, who got polio at

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14 and had to be in an iron lung, to Judith Heumann, who lived basically her whole life

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with polio, eventually becoming Bill Clinton's assistant secretary for education and rehabilitative

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services.

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What Mike is engaging in here is a shocking and offensive erasure of millions of people's

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experience.

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His whole the polio vaccine created more cases of polio shtick is just him misrepresenting

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what's known as the Cutter incident.

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In 1955, a number of recently vaccinated children were coming down with polio and paralysis

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of the arm where the vaccine was given to them.

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When the cases were investigated, they were found that they traced back to Cutter laboratory.

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It was awful, and I'm not minimizing the experience of the hundreds of people who were

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affected by the fuck-up, but this was a lab issue, not a vaccine issue.

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People were producing the vaccine, they were not correctly preparing it, and in the process

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the virus itself was not being fully inactivated.

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This hurt public confidence in the vaccine itself, and it's used to this day by anti-vax

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weirdos like Mike to try and claim that the vaccine gives you the disease when it was

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a function of bad business being done.

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If people had been more careful, and actually that led to a lot of conversations about regulation

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of production of medical stuff.

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Well, if you want to try and rewrite FDR's legacy on the New Deal, naturally you have

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to rewrite FDR's legacy on the fucking having polio.

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Sure.

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Like these people are insane.

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So there's one other thing that Mike could be referencing, but he'd also be lying about

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it.

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So Jordan, I don't know if you know this, but there's a condition that's called circulating

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vaccine-derived poliovirus.

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Oh, I do know that.

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That's the thing that I'm fully aware of.

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Sounds like you're not.

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It's super fascinating, and honestly, the more you know about it, the better an argument

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it is to vaccinate your children.

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Okay, I'm in.

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So in 2017, mostly because the number of naturally occurring polio cases was very small, there

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were actually more cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

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So here's how this works.

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When you get a vaccine, you're getting a weakened version of that disease put into your body,

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so you can create an immune response to it, which will give you an immunity.

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Sometimes, but not always.

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Well, yeah, fine.

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This is the case with this polio vaccine, but if you get the vaccine, it's not you who

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could get vaccine-derived poliovirus.

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It's unvaccinated people around you.

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Oh, shit!

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So in the time that the weakened virus is inside you, creating the immune response,

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you can end up excreting the virus.

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It is communicable.

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In the case, well, not always, but it can be.

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In the case that you're in a population that is under-vaccinated, that virus could end

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up getting picked up by someone who hasn't been vaccinated.

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This person will likely be fine, because it's just the weakened version of the poliovirus,

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and they'll ultimately end up creating an immunity to it as well, most of the time.

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However, if the population urine is super under-vaccinated, it just might be that this

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virus can jump from person to person for a long time, and in the process, mutate back

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into the form of poliovirus that can cause serious problems, like a paralysis.

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The World Health Organization estimates that this process takes at least 12 months, and

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between 2000 and 2017, in that 17-year span, this occurred 24 times in the entire world,

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and it led to 760 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

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No shit.

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But that's compared to the estimated 13 million cases that vaccination programs had prevented.

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I don't understand.

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That's not a trade-off, Dan.

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I'm not willing to make that trade-off.

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Also, this is only an issue with the orally administered vaccine.

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It's not the case for injected, which is what's used in the United States, so it's

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not even relevant to our lives here, necessarily.

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But the vaccine-derived poliovirus is fascinating, that that's how it works.

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That is.

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That it can only really be a problem if there are a ton of people who are unvaccinated that

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can trade the harmless virus to each other, to the point where it can mutate.

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Yeah, that is that herd immunity concept, and God, I just don't understand people who

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can honestly argue against vaccinating their kids.

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It has to be...

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Look, I mean, not honestly.

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I mean, I get that people believe the anti-vax bullshit.

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I get that they believe it, but the arguing of it seems insane to me.

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Yeah.

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If you believe it, just say that you think it causes autism or whatever it is your bullshit

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is, and stop there.

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The idea of arguing with me is insane.

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Yeah.

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It's insane.

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It seems, especially when you're the health ranger.

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Yeah, it's sovereign citizen bullshit.

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But for health.

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You go into a courtroom and you're like, I got this, lawyers.

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You think you can argue with a disease.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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So when Mike says that there are more cases of polio that come from vaccines, that's what

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he's talking about.

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He wants you to imagine a doctor giving you a shot that's going to give you polio, but

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they claim it's medicine.

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But the reality is much different.

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Ultimately, what I want to say is a big fuck you to Mike Adams.

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Polio was and is real, and the vaccine has saved countless people in this country and

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around the world from paralysis and death.

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Infinite countless people.

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People who have survived it.

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I would beg anyone who's interested, go watch some documentaries about polio survivors.

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Like, hear their stories.

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It's what Mike is doing is outrageous and all that motherfucker Mike Adams has ever

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given the world is a dumbass Ebola cure that would definitely give you Ebola.

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A couple of embarrassing rap songs and this shit.

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It's over for humanity.

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There will only be lone survivors.

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Go fuck yourself, Mike Adams.

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Seriously, he's got to be.

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He's strongly making an argument for himself as like being the worst.

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He is like he really is.

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I mean, Alex will always have the grandfathered position of the worst, right?

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But that number two spot is it's constantly changing really close.

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Yeah, it is.

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Alex is allowed more Holocaust deniers, and they've certainly taken precedence.

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And Steve might always be in the number two spot, but Mike's making a great case for

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himself.

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We're in a situation where we're past like, obviously, the law can't help us here, but

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if we had somebody to take Mike to Arkham Asylum, it would be okay.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I'm against vigilante justice, but Arkham Asylum is a different situation.

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You had a lot of downtime.

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Somebody's got to stop the Joker.

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Somebody's got to stop the Joker.

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I feel like your girlfriend's condo is going to have a cave in it soon.

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If only we had a butler.

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Yeah, well, I'm free.

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You would be a great Alfred.

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I think I could be Alfred.

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Yeah, you'd give me all kinds of targets and all this stuff, and you'd be like, Jordan,

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don't do that.

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I'm not good with tech, though.

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I would never do that.

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Alfred has some tech sensibilities, too.

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He does have a little bit, yeah.

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Yeah, it's going to be a problem for me.

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All right, well, we tried.

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Anyway, Mike is pushing really hard that everybody's got to get these masks, and great.

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I guess that's fine.

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I guess.

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Say nothing else, though.

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Say only people who need masks.

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Well, unfortunately, they have to keep talking, and they start discussing how Snopes and the

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government are saying, don't take masks.

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Don't use the masks.

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The truth is the government's going to have to change what they've said about masks, because

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the Surgeon General Adams had said, stop buying masks.

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And so because the government agencies had disinformation about masks, they're going

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to now have to reverse that and teach people, no, masks are good.

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Masks actually work.

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Oh, yeah, they've got Snopes saying you don't need masks, even though it's on record.

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That's what doctors wear, and they're effective.

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But Snopes is God.

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They said no.

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In fact, Snopes still says hydroxychloroquine's not good.

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Well, you know, again, we're fighting the disinformation agents of the world, which

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are mostly globalists.

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Do you think that Mike Adams is mad that the Surgeon General is technically a health ranger

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named Adams?

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I think he's mad that Stevie Pease doesn't know that we have a Surgeon General.

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I mean, that was only like a month ago that Alex and Steve were like, Trump needs to install

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it.

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There's no Surgeon Generals.

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We're all going to die.

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And to that extent, I guess they're learning.

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You know, you got to give it up for them for that.

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If it is true that the Surgeon General is putting out disinformation about whether or

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not masks are helpful for people who don't have the virus, then there's only one person

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you should talk to about that.

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And it's the person who appointed him and could replace him at any time.

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And that's your God.

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On March 2nd, Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted, quote, Seriously, people stop buying

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masks.

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They're not effective in preventing general public from catching coronavirus.

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But if health care providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and

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our communities at risk.

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Then on April 2nd, there was a headline from CNBC, quote, In a U-turn, U.S. Surgeon General

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asks CDC to see if face masks can prevent coronavirus spread after all.

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No matter what the reality of the situation is, you kind of see how inept the people Trump

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surrounds himself with are and how you can't really rely on them for good messaging.

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It's just it's just such an obvious thing that we're living through right now, that

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when we get past this and we're all again capable of congregating, these people need

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to face charges.

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They just need to face like it is by their bungling of the system directly that many

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more people are going to die.

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Them specifically and their actions have killed people.

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That is, I don't know how other to describe that than as a crime, a murder, and they should

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face charges for that.

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That's that.

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It's not hard spiritually.

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I don't disagree with you functionally.

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I don't know what that looks like.

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No idea, but it's just that's just what should happen.

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So the big issue that I leaving that aside.

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Yes, of course.

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I don't know what to do with that.

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We're not going to we're not going to win that fight today.

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I don't think we'll ever be able to like sit here and be like, all right, here's here's

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step one.

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Yeah, get several million people together in the same place.

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So the issue that I have with Mike is that he's framing the situation with the masks

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incorrectly.

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There's a whole lot of debate about whether or not normal surgical masks are going to

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be helpful in stopping you from being exposed to the virus, particularly if you're in close

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proximity with someone who's sick and coughing.

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Those masks do not create an airtight seal on your face.

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So if the virus is admitted in a way that can be transmitted through the air, it'll

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just come around the side of the mask.

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It's not yet clear that this is the means by which the virus is primarily or even largely

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transmitted.

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But if it is, then the masks won't really help with that.

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However, they are very helpful if you're already sick, as they will be pretty effective at

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catching droplets on the way out of your mouth.

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People who are sick should wear masks if they're out in public.

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That is definitely true.

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And if it's the case that people can be contagious when they're asymptomatic, which

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looks like it may be the case, then it would make sense for people to wear masks just in

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case.

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The focus of Mike's angle is wrong, though.

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If you're promoting people wearing masks for their own scent, like as a self-defense

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mechanism, that's nonsensical.

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It really only makes sense as a public health measure, which seems I'm against public

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health.

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I don't know if he's against it, but it seems to not be at all the way he's presenting

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this information, as you should wear masks because it'll make it less likely you give

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something to someone else, which should be the messaging.

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Right.

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What his messaging is, is the same as the fucking chloroquine situation where it's

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like, all you're going to do right now, because we don't have enough resources, is

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draw a large number of people who have a large amount of resources into buying masks,

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keeping them out of the hands of people who don't have the resources to get them.

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And then we wind up in a worse-off situation.

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Quite likely.

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It's fucking infuriating.

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I'm an idiot.

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And I see this.

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So there's a great piece in The Atlantic by Ed Yong that just came out about the mask

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issue, and there's a lot of nuance to it.

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The Atlantic employs free to store, but I'll continue.

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The medical necessity of wearing masks is not really a consensus, but there are a lot

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of side issues.

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There are positives to the idea of universal mask wearing, like decreasing the stigma

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that someone would feel wearing a mask if they are sick, and the kind of signaling that

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it makes that the public is taking the disease seriously.

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But there are also downsides, like the fact that most people don't know how to wear

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masks, and they often end up constantly adjusting and touching their masks, which

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ultimately leads them to touch their face more, which is one of the main things you're

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trying not to do.

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It's more complicated as a picture than just saying, everyone should wear masks, and

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then being like, I'm the health ranger.

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I did a great job.

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Alex, give me a check.

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Right, right, right.

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What's less up for discussion is that there aren't enough masks to go around right

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now.

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So any advice that involves saying that they're essential and the definite solution

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here is probably not going to be great.

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If medical workers are having a difficult time finding masks, then it's not a great

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idea to encourage everyone to continue buying up masks unless you're also able to

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simultaneously seriously boost the immediate supply of said masks.

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One thing that I find very interesting is that there's no part of Infowars' model

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that can really thrive in the context of rational consumption.

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Everything needs to be pitched in a way that's likely to create runs on products.

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Alex sells his food buckets by saying everyone's out of food, which is meant to

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cause a hyperinflation of demand.

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Alex has reported on chloroquine as a documented miracle cure, and we've seen how

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shortages of the drug has popped up.

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In this episode alone, Mike is saying that the country needs to be flooded with zinc

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and that everybody needs to be wearing masks, which if everyone took his gospel

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would absolutely lead to runs on both products.

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I'm not saying that these dudes are causing these runs, but their business model is

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really only built to be profitable when they're able to exploit and ride those

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waves.

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And I think that's something that's worth pointing out and something that maybe

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isn't all that clear, except when you're in these situations.

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Yeah, that is a really, really good point because, yeah, it seems like they exist

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only to prop up bubbles and then float to the next one.

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Like, they sit on top of the bubble, it explodes, and by the time it explodes,

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they've already jumped onto the next bubble.

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They're the credit default swaps of human beings.

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Like, they're disgusting and awful and they're killing all of us.

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Yeah, it's like...

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There's not much else to say.

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It's like the wrong interpretation of that quote.

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Like, there comes in the Affairs of Men that, you know, you catch the wave and it

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leads to fortune.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The tide, I don't know exactly how it goes.

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I know it's a Shakespeare quote, but I only know it from Woodhouse.

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I'm pretty sure T. Jefferson said that one.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, also, Snopes didn't say, don't wear masks.

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They were just reporting on what statements were being made by officials.

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One of the sources cited in their article that is, you know, Mike and Alex's

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hero, Donald Trump, who said, quote, I'm sorry, this is from the article, quote,

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Trump said Tuesday that his scientific advisors made clear the general public

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shouldn't be competing with hospitals and health workers for scarce masks of

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any type.

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His solution?

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Quote, use a scarf if you want, Trump said at the Daily White House briefing.

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I don't know.

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What was the 25th Amendment for?

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This.

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It was for this, right?

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I can't find any Snopes articles about hydroxychloroquine being bad.

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They would never say that because they aren't idiots and they realize that the

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drug has other real uses.

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The only real article I could find that covers the subject is about Hannity and

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Rudy Giuliani's claim that this mysterious doctor had successfully treated all of

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his coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, Z-Pak, and zinc.

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It was TVPs, wasn't it?

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The article doesn't say that the claim is not true, just that it's unproven, which

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is exactly what the doctor at the center of this claim, Dr. Zelenko, said.

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Quote, in an interview with Forward, Zelenko acknowledged that his regimen was

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new and untested and that it was too soon to assess its long-term effectiveness.

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Cool.

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So, cool, awesome, great work.

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Oh, man, these guys.

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Snopes isn't saying that wearing masks are bad or that hydroxychloroquine is bad,

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just that these are not settled questions and that there's nuance.

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And as we know, Alex fucking hates nuance.

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He gets really mad at it, and this is how he behaves.

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It does seem like the concept of anyone reporting something without making

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something up or using it is so horrific to him that he hates it.

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Like, it's so awful that he has this burning hatred.

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Like, the idea of Snopes just being like,

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we're just going to quote people who say something in response to a question.

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That's all we're going to do.

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We're not going to make up anything.

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We're not even going to give a point of view or anything like that.

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He's just like, ah!

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I mean, that's one part of it, and then he's constantly on the wrong side of it.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Well, he's on the wrong side of reality, yeah.

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The scourge of his existence is fact checkers.

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And so obviously, they're always going to be enemies.

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Right, right, right, right.

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But whatever the case, we're done now with this section of the show.

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Thank God.

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We're going to get into something completely different.

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And as a transition, we have Alex coming back in from break.

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And I'm going to apologize in advance for this,

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because I think this is going to traumatize some of our listeners

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because of the music choice that he's using.

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Because usually, we've seen a lot of him doing the over the sacks,

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you belong to the city, doing a little speech.

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This time, he uses policy of truth, which is a real slap in the face.

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But Mike down for this because Alex gets into a weird fantasy

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that makes me think that maybe he's been playing Castlevania.

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Okay, this is a slick show on a little bit of it.

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Walking in the castle at night, the moon is rising.

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A policy of truth.

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What I do, I love it.

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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

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Welcome back, dork.

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That is like the stupidest.

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It's almost like he's jerking off, just mumbling to himself

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about fighting a vampire or something.

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The moon at night, you can see those red eyes.

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Oh my God, I just watched the ninth gate.

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Policy of truth, that's what I do.

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I do the policy of truth.

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I think he did just watch the ninth gate.

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He could have.

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Because that girl who's the devil had red eyes,

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and they're at a castle at night, he's not scared.

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Wait, but that movie, no, that movie is about books.

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There's no way.

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No, no, no.

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You said Castlevania, the game.

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There is a Netflix anime based on the video game.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, totally.

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And absolutely.

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That's 100% Castlevania vibe, but it's probably just because

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of the castle that he mentioned.

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Could be, could be.

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That's just, that's like, is there a castle?

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There's a castle in Highlander.

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I'm going to mark that off on our bingo card.

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No, not yet.

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All right.

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All right.

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Okay.

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But there, there's just like the vibe.

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There is like someone I wouldn't want to hang out with as a kid.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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What a shit bag.

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Anyway, we get now into Alex doing a part two of the show.

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Yes.

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And it's much sillier.

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Yes, it is.

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What I don't really get into very much because I see it

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overall as a tar baby studying it and not great.

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I know what it is.

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No, you don't.

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And it doesn't mean the whole thing's bad, but in the main,

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what it does is destructive in the end.

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There are a lot of people I respect and like that are really into it.

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I'm going to go with porn because it's that what we're doing.

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And I noticed it's something that the media attacks a little,

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but they don't censor it.

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They don't block it.

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And I personally talk to the president.

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I personally talk to a lot of other people in government,

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and I really do have amazing sources,

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but I have my own analysis that most of the time they tune in for.

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The pee tape is real, but there's something about a fortune hunt.

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There's something about a puzzle

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further in the back of the newspaper.

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Treasure hunt.

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We all call it a fortune hunt.

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Sold in booklets of crosswords.

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Because it makes you look there in this magic intrigue.

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So I always thought we just wake everybody up and we defeat the New World Order.

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Sure.

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But you see, they've got ways to create their own larping cosmologies,

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live action role play.

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And it just soaks up the energy and the immediacy of everything.

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So someone you don't know who you are, you never talk to them.

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There's no proof, but you trust the plan.

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And as one goes, we all go and all this stuff you'd imagine in a cult,

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you'd be chanting.

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So it's clearly QAnon.

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He's talking about QAnon.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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This is so fucking funny.

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Alex is apparently now mad at QAnon.

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And I checked in with the guys over at QAnon Anonymous

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to see if something had happened recently that was causing this outburst.

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They had no idea.

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No clue.

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But what's really funny to me about this is how transparent it is.

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Alex wants his audience to think that the reason he's mad is because this is a psy-op

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that's working against these political goals, but that's absurd.

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I've listened to Alex's show the whole stretch of time that QAnon's existed,

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and it's very obvious that he hates QAnon

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because he was unable to funnel them into his revenue stream.

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He really wanted to.

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And the fact that he's starting a fight like this right now,

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or being like, I'm going to start covering this,

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it leads me to believe that he wants a publicity stunt.

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Yeah.

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He's looking for some attention out of this,

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and he's going to try and metaphorically cut a chip out of a homeless person

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arm about this.

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That's the feeling that I get.

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This is a stunt.

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It seems a little bit like he's trying to start a feud with Joe Rogan

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in order to get back on the podcast,

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but he's trying to call out whoever says their cue

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and see if they'll get on his show.

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Boy, you need to hold on to those thoughts.

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Oh boy.

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But what's interesting is I've listened to this show forever,

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and I know that back on January 6th,

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Alex literally told his good buddy, Joel Skousen,

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that he attempted to and wanted to co-opt QAnon.

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I remember that.

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It didn't work.

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Nothing that QAnon has said has ever come true.

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This is a pure disinformation expert.

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And sadly, a lot of Trump supporters,

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including some of my subscribers,

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Well, I was thinking I'm just going to endorse it

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and then co-opt it publicly and go,

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oh, Q says this, Q says that,

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because everybody loves a little magic stuff.

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Because it's definitely a delusional issue,

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and it's sucking up so many good people into it.

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Yes.

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Here's my plan.

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I was going to take over Q, say that I was Q,

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and then tell all of QAnon's dumb, dumb followers

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that it's my stuff.

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Yes.

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I was just going to use the name that's very popular

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to promote my own things.

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Exactly.

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Very honest, straightforward, straight shooting.

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For sure.

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Cool.

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Absolutely.

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Historically, Alex has been able to piggyback

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and monetize all of the hard right fringe movements

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that have come along,

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because he's always been the biggest game in town.

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And prior to social media,

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he was able to be very secure in that position.

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He situated himself as the head of the 9-11 Truth folks.

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He was able to use the Oath Keepers

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and his connection to them

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to co-opt much of the Tea Party enthusiasm

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that bubbled up in the 2009 period,

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and then he perched atop of it.

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He was able to frame himself as the king

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of all sorts of reality-defying conspiracy theories

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that were popular online,

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like Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing.

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But now, Alex is not needed.

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QAnon exists entirely outside of Alex's world,

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and they don't like him.

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If there was a dime in it for Alex to support

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or play along with this shit,

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he'd probably be doing that.

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But since they're hostile to him,

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he knows that this is not a fertile market,

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so fuck him.

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This is so funny to me.

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And I think it's probably mostly just the result

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of Alex's interview with Ted Nugent's wife

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who super hates QAnon.

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I think there's fallout from that.

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You think that's why?

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You think she got mad at him

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or he got mad at her about that?

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I don't know.

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That's so funny.

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I think maybe Ted gave him a talking to.

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What if Ted gave him a text like,

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hey, don't you start talking about QAnon?

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Are you saying QAnon's not real?

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I mean, if Ted Nugent's wife is super into QAnon,

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you got to expect Ted might be.

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Right.

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Oh, man.

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Can you imagine?

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Look, this is the first time

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that I'm really feeling a lot of empathy for Ted Nugent,

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stuck between his wife and QAnon on one side

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and Alex Jones and Alex Jones on the other side.

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That's brutal.

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What relationship do you choose, Dan?

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Neither.

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This is an alien versus predator situation.

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Ted Nugent's predator, by the way.

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Whoever wins, we lose.

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Because Ted Nugent has a song

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where he talks about how he's a predator.

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He is a sexual predator, that's for sure.

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You bet.

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Alex doesn't care about that, though.

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No, not important.

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So Alex is pretty mad at Q.

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But there's some good things about Q.

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Like, you know, people who are into it like to do research, which is laughable.

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And just because people buy into it, they then think it's good.

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Well, you're good.

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And you can do some good waking people up.

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I've been ambivalent about, you know, the whole Q thing,

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because I know it's a sign up, but we could take it over.

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It's good to get people researching.

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But if they research things that are proven, like...

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Don't give an example.

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Don't do it.

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It's going to be bad.

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Don't.

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Stop.

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Disease X.

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God damn it.

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Lockstep, Rockefeller Project.

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Oh boy.

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State Department ran him 200.

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Club of Rome, 1968.

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Depopulation agenda.

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I mean, these are real things.

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You go to the library and read.

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Read online.

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You can read eco science.

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You can.

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1974, John P. Holdren.

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You actually can't.

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That's against the law.

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Plan for world government sterilization.

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Not how science are.

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35 years later?

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Nope.

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37 years later?

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What else you got?

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I mean, that's all meat and potato.

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So again, it's the same sort of thing.

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It's like, yeah, look, there's a lot of enthusiasm among these people, but they're not pushing

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my talking points and that's frustrating.

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That makes me angry.

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Yes.

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And there's a lot of meat and potatoes on that.

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Like there's a lot of meat and potatoes on the bowls and fucking hook.

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And there's a lot of meat and potatoes in their bank accounts.

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That is not be coming into my meat bowl and my potato bowl and I'm pissed off about it.

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I would like meat and potatoes.

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Now, obviously that's one very, very clear piece of this that he can't monetize QAnon

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and it really pisses him off really frustrates him.

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But there's a second piece of this and I think it might actually be more what's driving him.

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Okay.

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And that I think one of the reasons why I suspect that this has to do with Ted Nugent's

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wife is that this seems kind of personal.

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Okay.

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It seems like as we go through Alex's grievances with QAnon, a lot of it seems to revolve around

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the idea that people think QAnon's real, but Alex doesn't get enough respect.

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It seems to be like, no one likes me as much as that.

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The number one thing I hate about QAnon is that they're trying to co-op cap scratch fever

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and I can't have that in my house.

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Hey, look, Q said that a stranglehold doesn't rock and I cannot put up with that.

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It seems very petty.

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It just gets insanely petty.

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I'll just get to it now.

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I said, I do it next time, but I'm already, that's what I tend to do.

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I say, I'm going to get to something and then I get to it right then.

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Then I'll get to all the other news.

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He's using his petty speech.

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I do it to people who I've known and they come over real satisfied on the street and

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they just go, oh yeah, Alex, sure, you're not at the Q level or whatever.

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And I'm, I'm sitting there knowing that what I write, when I say it gets taken and put

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into the president's speeches, you know, the president calls my wife up and says, man,

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your husband's a real man.

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He's got a lot of courage.

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What he's going through.

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The president personally told me, don't back down.

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You're real.

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I'm real men like us know the truth.

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The destiny of America, press the attack.

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He doesn't remember your name right now.

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And that's on record that Kelly freaked out the Trump and I were talking all the time

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and still in all the rest of the time, all the contacts from the president last week

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had a top national talk shows, call up and talk about the president and the analysis

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and what we're doing yesterday.

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One American news network.

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So yeah.

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What the Hannity Hannity Tucker, whatever, man, I don't give a shit.

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Like the whole thing is all just like comparing himself to Q and on.

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Oh yeah.

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But what's crazy about it is the way that starts is Alex being like, I have people that

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I know come up to me who are into Q and on, but you're not Q level.

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These are your friends, man.

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Curate your friend group better.

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Don't get mad.

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He's not capable of curating a friend group.

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Don't get mad that you're not as cool as Q with your friends.

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That's not a good game.

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That means you need better friends.

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Oh God.

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But it's worse.

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It's not be worse than that.

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His friend group says he's not Q levels.

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You're not just friends.

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Oh no.

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I run into cousins and people buckling satisfied.

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You know, or I see like I've seen a few videos where you'll see like these delusional, crazy

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looking people.

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They go, I used to like Alex Jones, but now I'm with the president and I know Jones is

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an Israeli spy.

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What the hell does that mean?

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Moving the U S embassy to Jerusalem pro-Israel.

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I'm not an Israeli spy.

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Exactly.

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I've got some criticism of Israel.

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And a lot of the leftist Jewish lobby attacks me, but that's another Q ism is that I work

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for Israel.

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I am the most proud of the fact that I am totally independent and a maverick created

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the modern talking points that were adopted by the president and his speech writers as

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the relaunch of America.

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So let me just explain something.

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The reason you see me attacked everywhere and the reason they're suing me and trying

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to kill me and trying to set me up and somebody doxed my house yesterday and called in a fake

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police report and all the rest of it.

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Your address was in your DUI report.

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Let me just explain how this is, but see, I've never really said that to people.

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It's a fact info wars is the new world order executor, not true because we have the giant

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audience of Americans of every race, color and creed who bleed red blood and love freedom.

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It's like fifty dudes now, man, give it up

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and we've changed the world.

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Seventeen seventy six worldwide infiltrating Bohemian Grove, confronting the globalistic

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sounds like Brody Stevens.

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Fourteen years ago, all the guests, all the info, all the information, L.A.

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battling and then to sit there.

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Austin original infiltrated Bohemian Grove.

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Enjoy it.

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That rhythm struck me there very weirdly, but that does seem to be barbecue.

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Yeah, so I would translate that entire thing by like QAnon says my dick small, my dick

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large.

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Yeah.

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Very much.

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Trump and I talk all the time about how big my dog is.

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Oh yeah.

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This is just this is so personal.

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There's something so personal to it.

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The fact that one complaint that gets into a petty grievance begins with like friends

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around me are into Q and then a cousin comes up to me.

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Maybe it's not Buckley.

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Maybe it's in the queue.

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Who knows, man?

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Who knows?

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That's true.

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He's not with info wars anymore.

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I know he's freed up to believe in Q.

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I thought he was just making music, man.

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He was just pursuing his dreams.

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Yeah.

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One could only hope.

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Yeah, he's somewhere in Chicago, by the way.

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He apparently lives in Chicago.

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Of course he does.

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Why Buckley?

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He's like across the street from us for sure.

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I swear in this quarantine, we're going to Buckley.

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If you're listening, God, I hope you are.

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I probably hit me up.

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Yeah.

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Hit me up.

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I want to come see a show.

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Well, maybe not during this, but knowledge underscore fight.

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Buckley.

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Yeah.

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The fact that it's like so presented as like people in his immediate vicinity.

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It makes me think that he's really just mad at people around him.

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Not giving him the respect that he feels he deserves in comparison to this internet hoax.

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Yeah.

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No, the, my note, and let me, let me just read this for you.

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This has just said double underline.

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Yeah.

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Oh yes.

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This is sad.

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Oh yes.

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This is pathetic.

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And I wish it was an April fool's thing.

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And I'm not positive.

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It's not by the way it ends.

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Well, no, I'm positive.

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The feeling isn't right.

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No, no, that's, that's 100% real.

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Yeah.

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He uses his petty voice.

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I love it when he gets that staccato to him like that.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Here's what people don't understand, man.

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But look, what people don't understand is that Alex is real.

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Don't respect him enough.

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Not true.

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And people who believe in Q are being tricked by trolls in many of the same internet message

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boards that Alex gets tricked by trolls at.

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Yes, but let's not examine that too closely.

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I don't want to look into it.

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Somebody could get hurt.

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My biggest problem with the Q people is it's always, you know, crazies thinking they're

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on a secret mission with internet trolls manipulating them.

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And a lot of it is just the fun of manipulating folks.

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And then it just becomes a big internet scam of mental illness to see who they can manipulate

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and control and all this.

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And then the woman holds up a baby with Q on its back.

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It's 60 yards away.

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The president can't even see what's going on.

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And they go, look, the Q is there.

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He just signed onto it.

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It's the total proof.

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A sheriff's deputy has a Q on him.

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And the sheriff's deputies are wanting to be part of an American Revolution like Fight

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Club.

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They're wanting to come and be in the club with the president.

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And then the vice president, you know, is with a sheriff's deputy in Florida with a

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Q on his deal.

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And the vice president deletes it because they know and don't want to be part of it.

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But then the president tweets my reporters and myself while they're telling him not to

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this year and last year.

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People go, that means nothing when the president tweets you.

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It means nothing when you have Robert Barnes on and that's just the president and the

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president tweets that tweet and that show.

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That's nothing.

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Talking to the president, the president calling your wife up, telling her how great you are.

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None of that matters because I am not God Q, the master of the universe.

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He's so mad.

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Dan, these people are all out here with these Internet trolls.

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They're all doing this for fun.

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I do it for money.

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I just hear when like, oh, it's bad.

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I get it.

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What's really interesting to me about this is like, obviously there's a headline that's

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easy to write on this story.

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And that is that Alex takes aim at Q and on.

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I would go on.

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Alex is a loser.

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Little titty baby.

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That should be the headline sub headline explanation.

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He fights with Q and on the lead of the story needs to be Alex feels slighted by Internet

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conspiracy.

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Alex feels completely.

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I mean, to use Paul Joseph Watson's language, cucked by something that he can't control.

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This is outside of his ability and he's dealt with it.

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Okay.

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The fact that he can't control it over the course of as long as it's existed.

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Yeah, it seems like right now he is coming up against something.

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There's some sort of a crisis.

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Maybe he needs a flashy attention grabbing publicity stunt and trying to get into a fight

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with a fake thing is probably the way to do it.

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I don't know.

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It seems desperate.

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It seems attention grabby and all rooted in.

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I'm mad.

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It does.

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It does get the feel of like the young, eat the old like it.

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Like, isn't it inevitable if you are a conspiracy theorist famous enough for long enough that

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eventually you will be the subject of the very conspiracy that you are pretending to

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fight?

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Well, I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure if Alex ever sooner or later are going to be like, you're nothing.

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You're part of the thing that our conspiracy theory is now.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that Alex ever turned Bill Cooper into like a villain in his conspiracy

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narratives, but he did lie about him and lied about their relation for sure.

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And we talked about that in one of our past episodes, but like, yeah, maybe Alex had used

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to have the class to not do that, not turn Bill into like a villain, but he's now getting

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that treatment for sure for his life.

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Well, I mean, Q and on, like I said, like one of the most important things about it

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is it exists outside of Alex.

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It doesn't need Alex and it has the freedom to be like, Alex is a fucking shill.

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Fuck that guy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Fuck that.

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They call him a patriot.

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P a y.

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Nice.

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That's actually the most accurate thing Q has ever done.

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Distrusting Alex, but that one's easy.

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So as we get further through this, when he went to commercial break there, I thought

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like, well, he said his piece.

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He's done.

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No, holy shit.

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He's not even close to done.

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He's on a tear.

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He is so mad at Q.

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You know, I had the founder of Q at my house about two years ago.

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You should have hired him.

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You should have hired Q.

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For some reason, I didn't.

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You hired old man houseboat.

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Frustrating to me to see people out there believing all this cute stuff when I can.

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I mean, everybody already knows.

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And he got hijacked within three days of him launching it.

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And it started out just as some guys having some fun that were authorized to engage in

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psyops.

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So it did start with people in the Trump campaign and people that worked in us intelligence.

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Stone is cute.

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And you know, I'm just going to call him and I'm going to ask him to come on.

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It's time.

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This all good.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Yes, so Alex is here saying that he had the founder of Q on his his house and he almost

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hired him.

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But this shouldn't be a reveal to anyone who's listened to Alex's show or paid attention.

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Alex has already claimed many times that his fake intelligence whistleblower, Zach, is

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part of the team that started QAnon.

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He's already solved this mystery, according to the in-world reality.

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So unless he's just trying to get Zach back on the show, this doesn't make any sense.

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Shouldn't be too hard.

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This is not an open question.

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They've already done this with Zach.

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Of course, but don't worry about Zach.

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We'll put Zach aside.

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I'm writing down people who could have been.

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I'm going to go with Roger Stone could be the only person that I think that Alex would

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if I just call him and get him on the show.

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That's true, but he's not going to actually call whomever fake the Q is true.

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So I think who has the like, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Pachanik had the balls

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to just take that swing and be like, you know, Alex, I started Q.

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It was all me.

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Oh, I'm certain Steve.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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He's one of those two guys.

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Exactly.

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Maybe it's time that we need to call in our friends over at QAnon Anonymous.

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I think that they have an expertise in like who might be hated by QAnon, who could possibly

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be the the people who started it, you know, but then had it taken away three days, the

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three day window is very specific.

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And I don't have the kind of expertise that someone like Travis does.

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Sure.

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We may need help.

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You know why you don't have the expertise that Travis does?

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Because Travis is Q.

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That's what happened.

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Travis went to Alex's house.

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Three days later, Q was stolen from him.

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He started QAnon Anonymous.

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Done.

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I've solved it.

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Travis, call it out.

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This could be true.

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Call it out, Travis.

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All right.

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So maybe we'll check in with them and see what happens.

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But the issue here is that Alex knows who started QAnon and could have hired them, didn't

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hire them.

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Weird.

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Considering who gets job offers from him.

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Now, here's the thing.

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Q is wrong all the time now, but worked for those three days or something.

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OK, all right.

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And you've got all these famous New Agers saying that the power is about to go off this

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week for three days.

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And then the power will go off in one town like it always does.

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They go, oh, Q just did a test.

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And no matter how many times they'll trust the plan, Robert Mueller is going to come

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out and arrest everybody.

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Some guys started it.

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They were inside the White House that were on Air Force One.

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And one of these guys, I can't figure out.

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He does a lot of great work, is really smart.

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He goes, hey, what do you think Trump ought to tweet about you today?

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And I said, I have a big day.

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I'll go ahead.

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Just like to tweet this.

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And the president tweeted three things from info wars.

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Dan Scavino.

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And I said, OK, well, why did you do that?

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Obviously, the president said that he goes, well, yeah, so, yeah, the founder of Q talks

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to the president.

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It was taken away from them.

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Why?

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Within three days.

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And the very person who created it attacks it.

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It's attacked by it now and can't stand it.

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See, I tip my hand a little bit early that I revealed that the person who created it

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now is attacked constantly by Q, which is a clue to who it is.

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And I don't fucking know who that is.

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I don't know who Q attacks.

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Q seems to attack just about everybody.

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Yeah.

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Or the followers all seem to hate just about anybody who's not on board with the quote

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unquote plan.

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Yeah.

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Hashtag.

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It is so sad to listen to a man describe his business model really when somebody else is

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using it.

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How dare they?

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Nothing they say comes true.

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All of this stuff is a hoax perpetrated to fool people.

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Just stuff they pulled from Fortune.

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Exactly.

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You're like, God damn it, Alex, look into a fucking mirror.

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But I think that's why he's mad is because, like, they're just doing what I do and everyone

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like is so into it and they don't respect me and I'm kicked off social media.

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You can still post about Q on social media.

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What a dick.

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It is so much like the older brother that gets in trouble and they're like, well, what?

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He does stuff too.

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He does stuff too.

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Why isn't he getting in trouble?

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In my experience with the older brother, that works with Alex.

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This is not going to work.

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Okay.

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Same strategy, possibly, but the older brother usually gets away with that.

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And here's the thing, man.

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Q lies.

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It's all lies.

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But sometimes it's strategic lies.

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You understand that?

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That's not okay.

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Disinformation is sometimes necessary.

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Important for enemies and Alex.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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But you know what?

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It turns out Alex is not capable of that.

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That's he's physically incapable of lying.

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Sure.

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My psyop is just butt naked, balls the walls.

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We're on.

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I mean, it's just, you know, pull sword, start hacking.

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I don't got a shield.

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I got two swords and that's just what I do.

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And but I can see all the stuff I see right through it.

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I see for miles and miles.

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I see through flesh.

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I see through the stone.

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I see through fog because I live in truth.

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And the more the brain gets addicted to truth.

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Sometimes I'll try to sell a strategic lie for counterintelligence to do.

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What are you doing?

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Somebody's corrupt.

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And I can't even say things now that because I just, I get more and more.

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The more you tell the truth, the more it becomes addicting

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because the brain doesn't have to filter or manipulate.

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That's what a liar would say.

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Wow.

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Yep.

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I can't imagine.

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I can't.

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I can't imagine Alex thinking that he's honest about everything, but whatever.

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I'm proposing a new police force, right?

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People who love words.

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I'll get together a bunch of what words mean like me and a bunch of my librarian

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friends and a couple lit professors.

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And we'll just go around and be like, if you don't mean what words mean, you don't get

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to use those words anymore.

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So all Alex gets, uh, are definite articles.

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He can have a, an, and the.

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The end.

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I feel like I don't even want to say end.

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I feel like your fantasy is sort of out of the Phantom toll booth.

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One of the kingdoms.

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Maybe Dick Chautopolis runs a little.

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Could be.

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All right.

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Okay.

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The weather bee might, uh, I want to have some, some words.

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Well, Hey.

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So Alex knows the secret of Q.

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He knows, he knows who's behind it.

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He knows all this.

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It's all good.

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And, uh, in this clip, Alex says something, ends up saying something that I think is like

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shockingly spiritually true, but so stupid.

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I know who started Q the tuning gush.

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I've forgotten more than most people ever know.

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Why do you think the Pentagon, the CIA, the president tune in?

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This is the Oracle folks, the guests, the callers, myself, what we do.

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This is unfiltered.

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There's nothing else like this on earth.

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Almost everybody else couches.

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What they're going to say, thinks about what they're going to say and how it'll affect

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them or others.

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People are scared.

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I'm not.

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So when he says people will couch things and they, you know, they think about things that's

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called preparing.

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Yeah.

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That's called doing work.

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I mean, uh, I guess Alex is just saying that he's not afraid to not prepare.

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I mean, not to, to go even further than that.

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You know, I mean, when, uh, I think, I think of the, uh, the, uh, the adage, uh,

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compassion, uh, or, uh, cruelty or what is it?

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Honesty without compassion is cruelty.

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And the way he's describing that is a lot of people think about how this is going to

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make people feel.

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And I'm a truth teller.

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I don't give a shit.

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No, you're a piece of shit.

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You're an asshole.

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Yeah.

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It's that honesty, the, the way that always was presented in church was honesty without

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grace is, uh, is, is cruelty.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And he's lying on one level.

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You're absolutely right.

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That is sort of what he's manifesting, but on a more just sort of concrete level, he's

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just trying to rationalize why he doesn't prepare.

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Yeah.

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Like a lot of people come in and they think about what they're going to say.

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No, I just shoot from the hip because I'm not scared.

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Like, no, you just can't do work.

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You just can't because if you did, you'd have no excuse for why you're wrong all the

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time.

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Yeah.

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It's just nonsense.

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I mean, I bet he could do work if he wanted to be a farmer, maybe he could learn how to

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till.

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I don't think he can do journalism.

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Oh yeah, sure.

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Manual labor.

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He's capable of manual labor.

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Yeah.

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I think we should.

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I think he's capable of, of brain labor too.

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Just as unwilling.

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I don't think so.

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I think he's just unwilling.

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I think maybe there was a time when he was capable of brain work.

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I still think he's perfectly capable of it now.

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He just is.

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It's far more profitable to function the way he does.

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That's totally fair.

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At this point.

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That's totally fair.

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So Alex talks more about how he knows the creators of Q.

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So now it's two people.

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We know that.

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Yeah.

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They're, they hate what it's become and are demonized and pillory by QAnon.

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And this is a real, this is real trouble.

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Two people that created it and launched it.

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One, a political operative, one government intelligence agency had it hijacked within

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three days and they know that and both of them attack it and tell you it's crap.

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But again, it's like the father gives birth to something.

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One day it comes to take them.

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Oh wow.

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Imagine being the creator of it and watching it turn into Frankenstein's monster.

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And then come to get Dr. Frankenstein.

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I feel like that is something Alex is very familiar with.

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Deeply personal thing you just said right there.

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Imagine meeting a fan for you, Alex.

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Yeah.

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That's tough.

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Oh boy, Alex.

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I think that there's a lot of specifics there and we're not in a position to really know

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who, uh, who this is hinting at, but it's definitely hinting at somebody that probably

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is very well determinable.

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Like if you were really into QAnon, I bet that you know almost exactly who Alex is probably

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talking about.

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I think it's possible, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wish I had that kind of awareness, but I don't.

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We're going to have to call the boys.

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So anyway, look dude, the thing is that Trump doesn't like QAnon, right?

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I could not think of anything Trump cares less about.

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He doesn't like it.

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I don't think he has an opinion on it whatsoever.

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But he loves enforce.

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I don't think he cares either.

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President is aware of who launched these operations without being authorized to do it.

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They were authorized to engage in counter operations against globalist.

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What does that even fucking mean?

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Very quickly, the president taps it down and does not promote it.

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But people still go looking for the magic moment that they're finally not rebuffed by

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the vice president or the president.

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While our guests are openly promoted by the president and this show is openly promoted

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despite all the attacks and all of it.

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Oh, that's nothing.

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So in Alex's narrative, Q is real for three days and then it was co-opted.

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And since then, Trump has not supported it.

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But that makes no sense.

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As recently as March 8th, Trump was retweeting QAnon-related content, something he has a

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really consistent habit of doing.

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On January 2nd, The Daily Beast reported on how in the evening of December 27th, 2019,

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Trump retweeted or quote tweeted approximately 20 accounts who promote QAnon conspiracies.

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Trump invited QAnon people to his social media summit.

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He invited Lionel to the White House and he's done basically everything he could possibly

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do to amplify and encourage QAnon followers short of directly saying it's true.

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In terms of the things that Trump has publicly signaled, he's given way more tacit and direct

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support to QAnon than Alex.

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And that's probably because Alex isn't useful anymore.

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If I were Alex, I'd be pissed too.

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But I probably wouldn't have ever gotten into this stupid situation where I'm competing

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with a completely lunatic, decentralized conspiracy theory for the president's respect

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and attention.

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Yeah.

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That's a bad place to be.

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Even if you win that, that's not a good situation.

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No, no, no.

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You know, it's just like, there's no way to know.

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There's no way for Alex to have known that Trump would just abandon people once they

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stopped being useful.

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Yeah, certainly.

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There's just no way.

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This is out of left field.

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And it's not as though this has been a years long, decades long commitment to lying and

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fucking over people.

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No, not at all.

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You know what this feels like to me as we go through this?

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I start to realize this a little more.

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This feels a lot like someone asking for a raise when they don't know if they're going

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to get it.

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You know, like, you should never go into your boss's office and ask for a raise if you're

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not confident enough that, like, they value you as an employee.

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Dan, have you, do you know anybody who might have asked for a raise?

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Your boy.

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Yeah, I was also fired for asking for a raise.

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Well, you asked for a raise for a coworker of yours, and that was a little bit different.

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That was a crime that they committed.

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I yes, you asked for a union sort of thing in my in my situation.

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It was like you realize that, like, if you get into that position where if you don't

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think that, like, if you don't have a reasonable expectation that you have leverage to get

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that raise, even if you deserve it, if you ask for it and the answer is no, then you

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got to quit or you got to accept it.

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Yeah, and if you accept it, you can't ask again without them having that, like, ability

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to say no, because there's the expect.

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Yeah, there's that expectation.

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You don't want to get yourself into that situation because the outcome other than getting the

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raise means that you better be prepared to quit.

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Yeah, and for sure for Alex getting into a fight with QAnon like this, which is pointless

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or stupid, a number of reasons, it just seems like a situation where, like, you're not going

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to come out ahead here because there is no coming out ahead.

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Right.

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You better be ready to quit because you're going to end up looking like a dick here.

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It is.

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It is very ironic.

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There's more organic support for QAnon than Alex.

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For sure.

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No, it's ironic to me that there's more bots that are in favor of QAnon than Alex.

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He doesn't have the organic side covered.

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He doesn't have the fake side covered.

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Sorry, I keep interrupting.

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No, no, no, I find interrupting to be unacceptable, Dan.

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No, it's ironic to me that for somebody whose professed ideology is almost entirely about

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decentralized conflict and the way that those types of groups can function independently,

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yeah, a leaderless resistance, he has no concept of how to battle against a leaderless resistance.

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He still thinks that there's a Q guy.

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Well, he, well, no.

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Or at least he still thinks that there's somebody to have a feud with.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Well, I mean, hypothetically there is because there's still someone posting as Q.

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Really?

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Yeah, so there is still like a hypothetical thing, but like the point at which we're at

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now, like the reality of QAnon is so insane and so diverse that like you can't really

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take issue with like, because you could be like, hey, you guys are a bunch of idiots.

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You believe the JFK junior is alive and there's a large contingent that doesn't think he's

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still alive and they'll be like, no, you got the wrong idea about Q.

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They've basically become libertarians.

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Yeah, you got the wrong Q.

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That's not real Q.

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You're talking to the wrong people.

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They give, they give Q a bad name.

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Of course they do.

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Yeah.

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Basically why start a fight with that?

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Yeah.

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Just going to end up like you're basically playing.

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Oh my God. What if QAnon became its own political party and we got to watch the primary QAnon

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candidate.

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We got the primary debates of just QAnon people like we did with the libertarian debates.

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I want the QAnon debates.

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I can't imagine anything being more wild than, than those libertarian debates.

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They're pretty incredible.

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They booed Gary Johnson when he said that you should have a driver's license.

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He was just saying that like, Hey, I think that some people,

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maybe old people who can't see, maybe they shouldn't be.

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Boo! Boo! We'll never vote for this guy!

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We want McAfee!

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Murder a couple of people then we'll talk!

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We're off track a little bit.

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I can't imagine how that happened.

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But Alex is just like, this, this is a losing gamble no matter what happens.

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And also I should be clear.

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I don't believe him.

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Like I don't, I don't believe the premise that he's, he's.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely not.

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I feel like we haven't really been clear enough about that, that I don't believe that he had

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the person who started Q in his home that he could have hired.

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Absolutely not.

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But anyway, the issue is that Q started for those first three days

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as a really good thing.

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Sure.

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You know, I'm going to call up the guys that created Q

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and just see if they'll just want to come out about it.

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They do things wrong.

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They do people like mystery.

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They do have White House connections.

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Fortune hunts.

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Thought that they could build this army of like fight club of Americans and take on the deep

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state, but instead it became a way to stand down and be delusional and then do nothing,

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and then we now know the global list of totally taking control of it and they tell you that

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Alex Jones is the enemy and things like that.

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So again, it's just about how he doesn't like they don't like him.

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This is

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here's the easiest way.

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Yeah, here's the easiest way for me sure.

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If he did know who actually created Q, yeah,

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that name would be all over the Internet right now while he's in a feud.

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That's exactly what would happen.

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He would put the name out as soon as possible and try and start a feud there.

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Well, maybe, maybe.

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I think that's the only way for it.

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The only way for him to prove or not prove, but like when in this circumstance had he the name

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is to play that card.

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That's an interesting theory.

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Yeah, that's an interesting theory and we'll see how this plays out.

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All right.

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So Alex has spent, I mean he ends up spending more than half of his entire show complaining

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about Q.

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That sounds exactly right.

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That's kind of why I think it's an April Fool's thing just because it's excessive.

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It's a ridiculous amount of time he spends complaining about Q to the point where he

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ends up going to calls and this caller that this first one that he gets kind of needs

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to reassure him that like, Alex, you're the real Q.

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Oh no.

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The reality is if you take that definition, they're a patriot with Q level access.

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To say you're not part of that is ridiculous.

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If anything, you're the real Q and you have been for 24 years.

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You're just not anonymous.

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You're like you said, you need to take this over.

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You're the one that's doing all the real work here.

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I don't want to take anything over.

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I want to defeat the globalist and I want to get it.

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I want to retire.

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Okay.

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I believe you want to retire.

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I also believe you want to take over Q.

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Yeah.

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No, I think he did.

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Now at this point, fuck it.

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You need to destroy it.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's not something that is necessarily salvageable for you.

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It's not something that's co-optable.

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It has to be destroyed.

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It's in your sphere and it hates you.

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It thinks you're a shill.

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Maybe for Israel or maybe your intelligence or whatever.

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You know, you're something that is negative.

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You're a patriot.

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Yeah.

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No, you have to destroy it.

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You don't want to take that over now.

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No, you can't.

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I don't know.

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It's too late.

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I'm trying to think of a way for him.

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I guess if he tried to reveal that he was the true Q,

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but nobody's going to believe that bullshit.

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It's too late for that now.

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Well, I mean, he already tried with Zach and no one cares.

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And Alex is probably going to pretend that that didn't ever happen.

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But so we know that recently Alex put out a series of bumper stickers and one of them

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said, I am Q go to info wars.com, which was a shameless attempt to try and cash in on

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the Cuban on stuff.

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And he talks about that a little bit here.

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I said six months ago, I'm going to put bumper stickers out that say, you put them in all

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the orders that say, I am Q and followers.com.

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If all of you go out and say, Hey, Q is going to expose that hydroxy chloroquine is really

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great and they didn't want you to know and make it about real stuff.

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It's awesome, but it's not dungeons and dragons and live action role play for everybody.

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It kind of is.

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That's what I'm telling you.

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And the people that created it are big Star Wars fans and live action role play.

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And they're real people, but they just know everybody works.

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Did you create it like what?

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So I like the idea that he's saying this isn't live action role playing, but I put out bumper

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stickers that said, I am Q. And if people went around and just used my narratives and

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applied them to this fictional character, right.

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Which would kind of be live action role playing.

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It seems like it.

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That would be great.

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And it's not live action role playing silly.

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So you suggested that the only way this should play out is that Alex just says the name of

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the person if he knew it.

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Yeah.

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But it turns out there's another way that you can play this.

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Sure.

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Especially if you're really just trying to get attention.

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There we go.

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You know what?

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I'll just expose it like I gave Joe Rogan a deadline.

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I don't love Joe.

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He's a good guy.

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What are we doing next Tuesday?

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To come out with it all, or I'm going to expose the next Wednesday.

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There seven days.

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It's a homeless man with a chip in his arm.

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All the documents.

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Let's start firing it up.

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Get it ready.

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Okay.

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Just watch.

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There's something real for you, folks.

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That's not talk.

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About six months ago, I released that Obama ran torture facilities inside China with the

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Chinese government and that Blackwater XC at the time who you hired services ran these

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facilities.

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That's like ultra secret information.

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No one reported it.

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No one cared.

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You can send Obama to prison for that.

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It's total weaponization of evil.

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And I just wanted Trump to know when I was bringing up some other stuff, I wanted to

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get a message to the president that day.

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So I just added, Oh, let me create something incredibly secret and just a little, little

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something for you that, you know, the, the army gave me, you know, I don't know if folks

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have heard like Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the real world right here.

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This is not fantasy land and I risked my life doing this.

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This isn't world.

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Whoa, I think there was a five second delay.

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There might've been.

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So I have legitimately no idea what story Alex is talking about about Obama using Blackwater

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to torture people in China, mostly because there's no story about this on info wars.com

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and I can find zero corroborating information anywhere.

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All right, well, there's that.

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However, assuming it's true, why is Alex so into Eric Prince who ran Blackwater?

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Why does Alex brag about employing X Blackwater people as his security?

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Everybody's got to work.

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They were involved in clandestine torture sites.

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Shouldn't Alex be opposed to the people who were involved in that company?

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Blah, blah, blah.

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Who cares?

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Doesn't matter.

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It's the gig economy, Dan.

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You take what jobs you can.

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So you noticed that bleep and I went and found the video of this and here's what he actually

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said.

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I don't know if folks have heard like Delta Force or any of that, but see, this is the

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real world right here.

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This is not fantasy land and I risked my life doing this.

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This isn't breadcrumbs and horse shit.

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This is the real world.

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So the breadcrumbs part is like a real specific you reference.

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I think it's all just because he said horse shit.

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Yeah, but the thing is like he can't swear on radio feeds, right?

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He can't do things like that.

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That will cause a real problem.

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Yeah, and the fact that like it doesn't really matter means he's not on that many stations.

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Yeah.

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I get the audio feeds to like pull these episodes from Genesis Communications Network, so like

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it is the feed that goes out on the radio, right?

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Whenever there are things that are blurb like blips like this, I check on his own feed.

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Of course, there are things like this every now and again, but like there is also like

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a look on his face after he says horse shit where it's like someone said in his ear like

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stop dude.

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Yeah, or something like that.

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There is a look that is kind of like shit, yeah, because then he immediately jumps back

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to calls, right?

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He immediately is like, all right, got to get off this bullshit.

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Let's take the next call.

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Let's take the next call.

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Gotcha.

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So he goes to a call and this caller has a dumb theory about why the Chinese would release

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this virus.

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I like it, Alex.

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It's no secret that China does not want President Trump to continue to be president.

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Would you agree with that?

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Yes.

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What better successful way at stopping President Trump from holding successful rallies as done

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in the past?

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Oh, no, this helps them on every front and lets them do mail-in ballots.

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It shuts down the economy.

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It just covers every one of their little checkboxes.

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Mail-in ballots are fine in most states in the country, and I don't look if your theory

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is that this virus was released in order to stop Trump's rallies.

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Man, you're gone, man.

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You're far gone.

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Also, I realize that we didn't even really take much of a moment to even talk about the

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fact that Alex gave a week for the...

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I thought you had already written it down on your calendar.

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Nope.

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Oh, of course I have.

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Yeah, I thought this was the same thing with the homeless guy on the computer chip.

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We're going to be listening to that episode like a fucking hawk.

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We might be having to live stream it as it's happening.

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This is my WrestleMania.

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This is the biggest news that's ever happened.

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WrestleMania is not happening live this year.

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So for me, it's Alex next Wednesday.

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This is Wimbledon, the French Open, and the fucking...

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This is a huge deal for me.

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Here's two things that aren't going to happen.

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One...

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Wimbledon.

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Well, maybe three things.

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Sorry.

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The person who started QAnon coming out and being like,

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well, Alex forced my hand.

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I must reveal myself.

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That's not happening.

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Second thing that's not happening is Alex having a big thing on next Wednesday's show,

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where he reveals the reality and the truth about the first three days of QAnon.

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Absolutely not.

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Good God.

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That's so funny.

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It's pretty amazing.

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He's going to do it this time, though.

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I believe him.

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I believe him when he says that he's finally going to take down Q,

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and it's really nice of him to give Q a week.

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Well, but it's the exact same thing that you sort of touched on a bit earlier,

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and that is the thing with Rogan.

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And he even brings that up.

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It's like, I gave Rogan a chance.

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And it's because you were trying to get a media stunt out of this.

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The reason that you give that window, as opposed to being like,

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fuck it, here's the reality, is because you want to get coverage from...

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I mean, you want to get coverage from Media Matters.

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You want to get coverage from Right Wing Watch.

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You want to get people tweeting about it.

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You want to get people making fun of the fact that you're doing this.

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Absolutely.

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Because it's organic.

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Even if it's making fun of you, it's still free press.

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People are going to tune in.

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And Alex is in such a desperate position right now.

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Now, granted, I mean, the position that we're in,

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because of the lives we live at this show,

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I have made peace with the fact that I'm very excited about how this narrative plays out.

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That mostly because I know it's going to be a dud.

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Yeah, I know, right?

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It's going to be Geraldo opening that tomb.

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Forever.

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Forever. That's the perfect microcosm of Alex's career.

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We've got this big story coming up.

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All right, and we're on to the next thing.

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Nothing.

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And the last example of that was the microchips

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in the people experiencing homelessness.

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And that leads us nicely into this next call.

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This caller asks about how we got...

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How are we going to fight back against the microchipping agenda?

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We're going to put our own microchips in.

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Oh, was it ID 2020?

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You know, with microchips and digital tattoos they want to put in these vaccines.

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I'm ID?

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This is 2020.

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And just if there's any way you can think, you know, to sort of resist that.

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Well, I mean, it's just everything you can imagine.

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Thomas Jefferson was asked...

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Oh, God.

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Really, it was the Virginia Commonwealth.

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It was in a letter.

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They said, what is the level to which tyranny would invents itself?

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And he said, my dear fellows, it is the level...

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My dear fellows.

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There's no end to the rapacious repine of these psychotic minds, of these evil minds,

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of these wicked brains that just seek power over reality and to overthrow reality and

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twist it around in forms that make them feel good.

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They're vandals.

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Holy shit, buddy.

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They're vagabonds.

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They're druggies.

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They're dum-dums.

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I think Alex is listening to us because he said dum-dums.

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He's editorializing on that quote quite a bit.

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And also that's a Frederick Douglass quote that he's describing to Thomas Jefferson.

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Which he does all the time.

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Yeah, we can't allow a black man's words to go un-stolen.

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So now you tried to co-opt my catchphrase there.

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I didn't co-opt your catchphrase.

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And I got to be honest, I think in this next clip, I'm changing my catchphrase.

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It's no longer, Dan, this is 2020.

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Because I think Alex might have given me a better version.

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Okay, we're now in the new world order, in the AI tech cover, in the robot genetic engineering

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clone world.

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I mean, we're in 2020, baby.

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And now that secret world they've been building into the surface is now going to emerge.

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It's all because the elite want life extension technologies.

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And they believe that they have to get rid of us to save the earth.

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That's what the transmission, seriously, they get a spiritual transmission.

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They have to kill everybody, then they'll be given an advanced knowledge for the immortality.

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It's the oldest trick in the book.

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It's the oldest trick in the book.

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The advanced knowledge for immortality.

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It's the oldest trick in the book, Dan.

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They're gonna kill everybody and then they become immortal.

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It's the oldest trick in the book.

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Come on, come on, look.

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Jesus.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Isaac Newton was an alchemist.

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Dan, it's the oldest trick in the book.

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The oldest trick in the book is like easy scams, like little flames.

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The oldest trick in the book is selling something called a miracle cure, Dan.

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Well, there is that.

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Yeah.

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Also, I think we're in 2020, baby.

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That's a pretty good one.

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Maybe better, maybe better.

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We're in 2020, baby.

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All right.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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I won't say a word against that.

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It's up in the air.

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I'm not sure how I'm going to go with it, but I feel like Alex is.

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I like to let him guide me.

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And to be honest, me saying that over and over again was prompted by my belief that

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Alex was going to keep saying it because he did at the beginning of the year.

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No, that's true.

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He has not said it since.

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Which is evidence he listens.

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I'm making fun of something that he did not do.

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So I don't know, baby.

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All right.

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It's 2020, baby.

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We're in it.

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Yeah.

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And demons got to kill you in order to get immortality, which is the oldest trick in

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the book, oldest trick in the book.

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But apparently it turns out there's a weird wrinkle to this because the demons don't

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need to just kill you.

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Or they, you know, the people who are working for the demons, they could kill you.

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No, for sure.

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Great.

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Right.

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But I mean, that's going to get them all the way where they need to be.

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Doesn't get their dicks.

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There's another step.

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They got to torture you first.

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Of course.

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They're coming to kill you and your family.

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They must kill you in a blood sacrifice, but torture you first slowly, suck everything

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out of you, and then take your soul to be lived forever.

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Of course, they'll get nothing but hell.

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So apparently there's a lot of rules about how this has to go down.

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So many rules.

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There's got to be a blood sacrifice.

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They got to torture you.

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They got to take your soul.

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There's got to be some like actual process by which you take a soul.

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Like all that has to happen in order for this immortality to be achieved.

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It seems like.

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Right.

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But then you wind up in hell anyways.

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Wow.

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So here's my biggest issue.

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All right.

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Demons aren't real?

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No.

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Oh.

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That's easy.

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Okay.

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Obviously demons are real.

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It is a little pedestrian.

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I apologize.

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My biggest issue is if these people aren't immortal, then by definition, that means that

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these people who have worked for the globalists who are demons in the past have died.

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So if you are working for the globalists now and you are aware that people who have previously

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worked for the demons were also promised immortality and instead are dead, then you

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have to know that you are not going to get immortality.

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So why work for the globalists?

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See, that's the problem with this conspiracy living more than a lifetime because you have

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all these examples of all the Rothschilds who have died.

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They worked for the globalists, but then they died.

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But you can't die if you work for the globalists because you want immortality.

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So if you are now working for the globalists- Well, I think I guess the way around it is

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that they believe that they're going to get this immortality from the demons, but it's

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all a lie.

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That's the way you get around it.

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I would like to say that that's an unreasonable response, but knowing that we see so many

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people believe Alex Jones, I have to say that there would be enough people to believe that

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they would get immortality regardless of past realities.

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And I think that given all the information that we have access to, I think it'd be very,

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very easy to, you know, like talk to a demon and then the demon be like, Hey, I got, I

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got five on it.

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You know, I got you, I got you, I got you covered.

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And you could be like, nah, I don't believe you.

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I don't think you're good for it.

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I think it'd be pretty easy at this point.

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Let me hold five.

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Nah, man.

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Sorry, man.

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Not happening.

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Can't do it.

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You still holding five.

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Speaking of people that you shouldn't trust.

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Yes, Francis Boyle shows up here at the end of the episode because he has big breaking

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news, right?

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Sir Arthur Francis Boyle does not really have big breaking news.

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What is it?

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He doesn't really have much, but they end up talking about the the Alex wants to start

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off a conversation asking about the various strains of the coronavirus.

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Sure.

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And then Francis Boyle, like all of his information comes from that Chapel Hill study from 2015.

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Yeah.

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And he's so fucking out of line.

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Well, we know there's something's going on with the virus.

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What about how it now attacks the testicles?

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I mean, they're learning more and more.

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And it's like there's hundreds of mutations now.

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All of that.

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You know, I've read at least five or so.

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Right.

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But if you go back and read that original UN, you want to see a Wuhan BSL four article,

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they have all sorts of things in there, including HIV.

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It's right in there, just says, yeah, we used HIV, too.

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So and it's gain of function.

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It's SARS-2 that has been weaponized.

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Francis Boyle is straight up making this up about the 2015 study from UNC Chapel Hill.

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The title of that study is, quote, a SARS-like cluster of circulating back coronaviruses

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shows potential for human emergence.

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You can easily find it on the website for the journal Nature Medicine if you'd like

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to look at it yourself and read up.

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Boyle is claiming that the study says that they admit they put HIV in the virus, which

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is a complete lie.

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The only time HIV comes up at all in the text is in this sentence.

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Quote, pseudo-typing experiments were similar to those using an HIV-based pseudo-virus.

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This is in the section about the methodology of the study, where they describe how they

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use pseudo-typing to create a pseudo-virus, which is to say that they used an existing

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backbone of a virus they knew could affect humans, and then combined it with a circulating

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coronavirus to see if the viral material could infect humans if it was in a package that

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was known humans were able to take in.

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The reference to HIV even has a footnote that Boyle could have followed if he was interested

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in understanding the study.

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It goes to a 2014 study titled, quote, Reversion in Advanced Ebola Disease in Non-Human Primates

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with Z-MAP.

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This is a study about if Ebola could be reversed in monkeys with the use of Z-MAP, a similarly

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pseudo-typed combination of antibodies.

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The 2015 Chapel Hill study in no way says they combined HIV into this coronavirus.

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That's a complete fabrication on the part of Boyle, who should be stripped of his tenure.

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This behavior, like, it really seriously reflects horribly on the University of Illinois, who

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still employs Francis Boyle.

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They do not.

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Yes.

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Has anybody sent a fucking email?

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He's tenured, man.

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It's really hard to get rid of tenure.

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I'm pretty sure if you do this shit, it's not hard.

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Well, we know from Darryl Hamamoto that it's possible.

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It is possible.

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Yeah.

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So you're saying that if he was playing a pink guitar, we'd be better off than if he's

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lying about coronavirus situation.

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No, because I think that Hamamoto might have, like, agitated a lot more locally against

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uh, that's probably true.

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Like I think he might have caused more trouble for the university.

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Yeah.

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Then, like, look, Francis Boyle doing this is fucking embarrassing because he is an employee

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of the university, but it doesn't necessarily cause as much local tension as whatever Darryl

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was up to.

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I am calling for an honorary degree from the University of Illinois for information leading

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to the loss of Francis Boyle's tenure.

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I think that you're qualified to give out that degree.

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I'm pretty sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I didn't graduate from school myself.

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Sure.

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So also, this virus is not the same as the current coronavirus, the virus from that 2015

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study.

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That study involved a virus called SHC-014-MA15, and if the current virus was similar to that

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one, it would be painfully obvious, which is probably a good reason why no supervillain

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would do this.

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Only imaginary evildoers dreamt up by childish weirdos would ever craft a plan this stupid,

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which is, you know, what's going on.

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Yeah, it's Sean Connery and the Avengers.

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So, Francis Boyle, he seems to believe that the United States always knew that this was

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a bio-attack.

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Of course they did.

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And they get into that a little bit in this clip.

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It's just, it's nuts.

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In my opinion, I believe the CIA, the National Security Agency, and U.S. military intelligence

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knew right away that this was an offensive biological warfare agent that came out of

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that Wuhan BSL-4.

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Indeed, Tony Fauci knew it right away.

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All he had to do was call it up on his computer to find that UNC contract because he funded

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it.

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NIAID, his organization, funded this along with NIH and FDA.

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Yeah, so one of the guys responsible in the chain, of course, is running the response

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so he can cover it up properly.

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Well, that's the point here, Alex.

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That's a very dumb, poorly constructed, poorly defended conspiracy that they're pitching.

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But, I mean, what would you expect?

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It's not new, though, too.

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This isn't fresh.

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Right, right, right.

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It's just that today there were reports that Fauci had to ramp up his security because

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of threats from weirdos like this.

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Yeah, I mean, to be fair, Francis Boyle has been calling him a Nazi bioweapon scientist

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on Alex's show for months now.

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For sure.

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I'm just saying we live in a world now where it's like, look, if Fauci came out and he

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was like, look, I want all my critics to beef up their security because I'm coming for

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you, that makes more sense to me that we're living in a professional wrestling world.

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Why not have Fauci call out Francis Boyle directly?

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Beef up your security, Boyle.

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Hey, Boyle, how about you and I meet in the ring?

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Exactly.

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Let's have a celebrity boxing.

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This is the fucking world we live in.

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Why not?

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We have an incredibly celebrated expert in epidemiology and we have Francis fucking Boyle

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who shouldn't even have tenure anymore.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, great.

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You know, is a weirdo.

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So the thing is that, like, I was really struggling at this point in the episode to figure out

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why Francis Boyle is back on.

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That is a good question.

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Because there isn't new information.

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He just keeps talking about the UNC Chapel Hill study and how it proves everything that

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it doesn't prove.

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And I kind of realized that he's a prop for Alex.

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Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act.

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And he's on record as the author of that.

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And he's again, represents world leaders, the Hague, the whole nine yards.

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So you want an insider bad exposing the system.

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You've got it here, not some foggy thing on a fortune board.

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This is what we bring you is the real deal here.

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This is almost like he's bringing him out to be like, this is what we got, not like

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your Q and R bullshit.

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It really feels like he's like a prop in this play that Alex is putting on.

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Or he's mad about still mad about Q and R.

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It seems like he's an extension of Alex's anger at Q and R.

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Right.

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How long is Boyle on for?

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Uh, not that long.

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Couple of segments.

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Yeah.

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Because I could see this being like a five minute interview and just being like, hey,

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we've got the guy who wrote the thing, guys.

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Q hasn't brought you nothing.

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And then you don't have to worry about actually talking to him.

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No, they talk too long.

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Of course they do.

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For sure.

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Well, Boyle talking is too long.

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Yeah, they talk longer than like the like you'd want it to just be like a little

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smash, like a little cameo.

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Yeah.

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It's more than that, but it feels like that because none of the information is really

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new.

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And some of it's fucking embarrassing.

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Like how Boyle and Alex clearly understand the difference between correlation and causation.

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You can't reveal that information.

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When you're discussing the Chinese military's assertion that maybe the United States

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military, when they came over for exercises, introduced the virus here, they understand

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the difference.

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People at the NIH know they've committed these crimes.

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They know they're facing life in prison.

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That's, that's why they don't want the public to know.

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The big no-no is that it's manmade.

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The Chinese know it's manmade.

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They're saying the army did it.

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So there's, they got a problem, don't they?

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Well, uh, you know, I just for your viewers, many of your viewers asked me about the US

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army being over there.

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And we've discussed this before, uh, Alex correlation is not causation.

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And so far, I have not seen a direct chain of causation there.

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It's like a city of 11 million or 12 million people.

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So if I'm in New York city, when somebody gets murdered, it doesn't mean I murdered

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somebody.

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I think that's correct.

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Interesting.

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This is so interesting because, you know, these dudes are capable of this kind of thought

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if they want to.

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I would counsel against it.

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If I, if I were one, if I were one of their advisors, I'd be like, no, no, no, no.

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Don't admit to fucking anything.

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Be like Rob do in a deposition.

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Pretend you have no idea what's going on.

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So when there's this Chinese assertion that the US army brought the virus over when they

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were just there for an exercise, Alex and Francis understand that the fact that the

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army people were there doesn't prove that they started the outbreak.

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They realize that further proof is necessary because it's a claim that they're opposed

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to.

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Now, in terms of Obama selling of China, the virus standard of proof is way, way fucking

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lower.

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It's weird how that works.

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How these dumb dumbs are capable of critical thinking when they want to be.

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And look, here's a pretty good example of it.

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Like this is minutes later in their interview.

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Minutes later.

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Yeah.

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Them just being like, nah, correlation, causation, fuck it.

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As you said years ago, look out with Bill Gates and these mosquitoes.

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They release them.

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They admit it created Zika.

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Now the mosquitoes are mutating and killing a bunch of people.

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Oh, it messed up and kills people.

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I mean, it's just it's so obvious.

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It's a eugenics operation.

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Certainly that was those were by warfare.

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Mosquitoes probably coming out of Fort Collins, a special US government lab at Fort Collins.

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To be fair, there's more than a correlation, causation problem with what they're putting

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for a little bit more.

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But you see, you see that they're capable of that kind of critical thought when it comes

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to like rebuffing arguments that they're opposed to.

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But when it's trying to sell a weak fucking narrative that they're on board with, it doesn't

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matter.

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There's no need for evidence.

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It's all bullshit.

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Yeah, it is.

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It is so much like a very obvious asymmetrical warfare game being played against people who

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care about reality and they just don't.

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And so they get to they get to win because we're on their battlefield, not ours.

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And we just pretend that we're not.

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Well, I think that most people aren't on their battlefield.

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We are a little bit because we have chosen to dwell in this ugly space.

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I just I just mean in the far larger outreach of right wing propaganda is that it is never

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fully kind of comprehended by so many people that it is purely asymmetrical.

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You are not like when CNN has somebody on parroting Trump talking points or climate

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denialism or whatever it is, you are not on equal footing.

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It doesn't matter if you're on CNN, doesn't matter if you're on Fox News, they are going

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to say anything.

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And it doesn't matter.

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Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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And as you try and pretend that fact checking is important, they are going to rape the world.

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That's just how it is.

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But but you know that that is sad.

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Yeah, that being said, I think that we can all agree that the evidence is overwhelming

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that China bought a bioweapon from Barack Obama.

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Overwhelming.

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So Alex gets into that here a little bit after Francis has left.

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Sure.

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And this is stupid.

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The evidence is overwhelming.

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Overwhelming.

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Transfer to China by the deep state.

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I'm overwhelmed.

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Later release it.

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This is the take down of the nationalist movement in our economy.

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The virus does kill people.

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It does reinfect.

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They're not telling you the answer.

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And that's boosting your immunity.

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They'll tell you on the news if item C isn't even needed.

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It's like saying oxygen is.

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If you don't have these things, common cold will kill your ass.

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And Mike Adams has been really right about the fact that zinc Americans are amongst the

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most unhealthy people on the planet.

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Zinc.

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The good news is the Democrats in deep states attempt to suppress these facts, especially

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with the approved drug for 70 something years, hydroxychloroquine that for hundreds of years

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was given to British troops before that under another name.

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Pushed the zinc out of the cells and is massively effective.

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They do not want that out, but now the FDA had to approve it and it's all coming out

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and being admitted and creating hope.

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This still feels like a sales pitch for the zinc.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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I felt the zinc sales pitch.

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Yeah, it has the same tenor and the same delivery that Alex usually uses.

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Uh, but it's just like, it's like he's learning like the boundaries.

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Yeah.

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I can't actually sell my product, but I can do everything short of mention my product.

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Right.

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I can, and I don't know if he can.

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It's interesting.

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It'll be interesting to see if anyone cares.

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I think what, what fascinates me about this is one of the great joys we had early on in

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the podcast is you would play for me these things that I didn't know were going to be

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ad pivots.

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Yeah.

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And now what I'm enjoying is not knowing that they're not going to be ad pivots.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like this, yeah, this is the, this is the ad pivot that two years ago I'd have been

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like, oh shit, he turned into an ad pivot and now he's not doing it.

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He's edging me.

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This is infuriating.

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Yeah.

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A little bit.

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Yeah.

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Alex has gotten into edge play.

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Yeah.

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So I have one last clip here from our April Fools episode, which I mean, I wish this

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was all a joke, but it's not so we, this last clip, Alex has earlier in the show said we're

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at war with China share and it turns out we're also at war with Saudi Arabia.

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Why wouldn't we?

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I didn't know about warrants of Iran sneak attack on you.

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Also, Iran, of course, Iraq attacks going on in Saudi Arabia.

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We're in the war with Saudi Arabia now.

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More and more Trump asked him to cut production.

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They wouldn't so Trump's going to ramp up production and our oldest ally in the middle

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reserve is these are the times big war start.

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I'm telling you folks, when I say get storeable food, it's for the possibility of them canceling

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the election.

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Civil unrest.

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What are the globals going to launch next?

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Not just as virus.

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Well, we have storeable food again.

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Did that catch you off guard?

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That one caught me off guard again.

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You son of a bitch.

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This is the problem with edge play.

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You never know when it's going to come.

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Almost exactly after you're talking about not being able to see the ad pivots coming.

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There's one and then he snuck it in.

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He snuck it in.

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God damn it.

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So anyway, we come to the end of this April fool's day episode and whatever the fuck.

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I mean, there's just a lot of stupid coronavirus rationalizations.

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Just it's all incredibly nonsensical rewriting of Trump shit.

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Oh yeah.

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Then the fucking QAnon stuff is really where it's at, man.

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This is this is what I'm excited about.

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I don't know.

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Like, here's here's why doing the show sucks.

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I got really excited like a month ago when Alex, for no reason,

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decided he was going to start getting back into Seth rich.

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Yeah, that was one day that has not come back since then.

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Alex decided, fuck it.

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We're getting back into stuff.

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I'm not afraid.

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And then I'm not going to get back into separate.

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I'm worried that this is going to be the same thing.

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I'm worried that he's gonna be like, I'm calling out the people I know.

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I know who you are started QAnon.

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Of course.

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I'm worried about that, but I want it to be like the next chapter because I definitely

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don't want to just talk about coronavirus all the time, right?

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There's only so many lies he can really make about it that are interesting to talk about.

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Yeah.

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I also don't want to talk about all the same sort of archaic conspiracies that we talked

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about in past episodes.

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Like, I don't want to just keep retreading old territory.

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Starting a feud with a ghost is fucking awesome.

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Yeah, I like that.

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That is the kind of thing I want to see from Alex.

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But this is our, this is the religious freedom angle on the pills all over again, where it's

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like, that's the fun thing to do, right?

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And he's going to fail you, Dan.

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Well, he's going to fail you like he's failed you for every day for three years.

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Two things.

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One, I made clear in that discussion that I will never give up hope that the next time

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will be the right time because otherwise this podcast doesn't work.

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That's fair.

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But second, he ends this episode still, like, without negating or ruining the whole idea

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that he's going to fight QAnon.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So good.

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The other episode, like that one, he blew it five minutes in.

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He deflated too soon.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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This still seems like a live question when the show ends.

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Okay.

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So hopefully, fingers crossed, it turns into a fucking fight and it gets so stupid.

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Alex yelling at non-existent robot Twitter accounts.

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It turns into a thing where they start fucking trolling him.

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Really?

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Oh God.

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Can you imagine the potential of this?

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Now I just want him to do a ghost fighting show.

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I just want him to fight ghosts.

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You know, like, dude, I understand how you bust ghosts.

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I don't understand how you fight him.

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See, that's what Alex is here for.

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Busting ghosts is easy.

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It makes you feel good.

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Any old fool can bust ghosts.

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Bill Murray can bust ghosts.

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Right.

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But they didn't fight ghosts.

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You know, they didn't get into the ring with ghosts.

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They didn't really see what they were made of going up against ghosts in a fair fight.

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I would like to see Alex see if he could gut stomp a ghost.

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Alex could do it.

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We'll see.

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Well, so I guess we'll find out what happens with this man next Friday's episode.

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We'll cover his Wednesday episode and it's going to be a massive disappointment, dad.

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It just is.

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This is like Christmas for me.

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I know.

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I know.

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I want to speed up time.

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I'm excited too.

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The problem is I am excited even though I know it's going to be a disappointment.

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I'm mostly excited because it's going to be a disappointment.

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I love the train wrecks of this guy.

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Now, it'd be really great if he pulled a computer chip out of a homeless man's arm next Wednesday.

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God, if he does that.

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That would be the shit.

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That's the prestige.

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That's the shit right there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, if he pulls that one out of his ass, he wins.

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I will retire.

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I promise.

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Yeah, I won't retire, but I'll definitely give it up to my Somali pirate friend Alex Jones.

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Yeah.

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So, we'll be back on Monday, boo, and we'll see what happens with his show.

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God damn it.

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When you wish.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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You're looking out the window like Jiminy Crickets.

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I was, yeah, but until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and I Go To Bet Jordan.

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We're also on Facebook.

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Yep, absolutely.

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We will be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I'm a guy who went to a castle and felt really cool listening to Depeche Mode and I fought

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someone with red eyes, but I wasn't scared.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.